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| 00:11.54 | Rodrigo | fuck blizzard. |
| 00:12.06 | Rodrigo | the event "chat message" isn't working in [allies] chat |
| 00:12.20 | Rodrigo | this is a huge DISASTER for my maps |
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| 01:11.04 | Ahli | is there a way to open the data archives in the sc2 beta? they aren't recognized as mpq archives :S |
| 01:11.32 | Ahli | oh wait, I'm just stupid |
| 01:11.40 | Ahli | editor blocks the files |
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| 02:19.27 | Dustin | A new UI Module has been added. It allows modification of the UI layout files that control most aspects of the in-game UI. The initial release of this module focuses on exposing a simple XML editing interface for SC2Layout files, and further improvements are planned for the future. |
| 02:19.53 | Dustin | Whaa xml? they showed video of a fully functioning UI designer at blizzcon... |
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| 02:28.03 | Dustin | Behavior modifications can now be upgraded. |
| 02:28.05 | Dustin | YESSS |
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| 02:52.30 | Vailreth|2 | Dustin |
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| 03:53.13 | delineator | Arrr! |
| 03:53.52 | delineator | anyone ever reached a string size limit in the datatable (either keys or values)? |
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| 05:23.40 | Repo | New announcement: Patch 1.5 Open Beta - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/patch-1-5-open-beta/ |
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| 05:47.30 | ThunderLord_ | Soooooooo... is there a reasonw e have a new UI editor, yet we cannot change the text within it? |
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| 06:30.17 | Hookah604 | hmm |
| 06:30.34 | Hookah604 | anyway to detect unit placement by triggers? |
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| 08:50.48 | Repo | New experimental map: HomerJ gegen den Rest der Welt - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/homerj-gegen-den-rest-der-welt/ |
| 08:56.52 | Hookah604 | anybody here? |
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| 12:28.05 | Mexa | http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/free-dinosaur-3d-model/667074 This is seriously the most badass dinosaur I have ever seen :D. Genious! |
| 12:51.22 | Bibendus | omg ! |
| 12:51.28 | Bibendus | :D |
| 13:27.54 | Hookah604 | nice feet |
| 13:28.25 | Ahli | the public beta broke my heroe's attack animations somehow |
| 13:28.55 | themusic | without making any changes? |
| 13:29.04 | Ahli | yes, without changes |
| 13:29.09 | themusic | uh oh |
| 13:29.15 | Ahli | maybe it's a model problem ;S |
| 13:29.25 | themusic | i was going to test it out, maybe not now haha |
| 13:30.36 | Ahli | It's only for the heroes and there it's only some of them. I'm trying to check if my behaviors work correctly which I use to define the animation set. |
| 13:30.54 | Ahli | at least they fixed the sound through fog bug |
| 13:33.40 | themusic | minor fix compared to breaking animations |
| 13:36.44 | Ahli | I've duplicated my rogue's actor and made all changes for the other heroes in it. same problem happens except for 2H weapons working |
| 13:37.38 | Ahli | warrior & sorc, both have that problem... let's see rogue again to validate it |
| 13:39.09 | Ahli | hmm, 1H attack animation isn't working for all heroes :S let's see |
| 13:41.57 | Ahli | hmm, let's hope that the one old entry screwed it. I was calling an attack animation which didn't exist after my 1handed animation. Seems like it just uses a default animation for that instead of ignoring these now. |
| 13:45.33 | Ahli | didn't fix it :S let's try to copy the working event again and change the values to the new one and deleting the old event |
| 13:51.06 | Mexa | You didn't use triggering or so for it, right? |
| 13:51.47 | Ahli | I only change the behaviors via trigger. |
| 13:52.05 | Ahli | "copy the working event again and change the values to the new one and deleting the old event" fixed it |
| 13:52.34 | Mexa | ah, okay |
| 14:00.56 | Dustin | Hii |
| 14:01.10 | Dustin | I just tested the Beta and my map seemed to work fine in it :D |
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| 15:02.06 | Ahli | uhm, which attachment point was usable with a model that has no attachment points? |
| 15:10.32 | themusic | not sure |
| 15:10.41 | themusic | is there a default one that works without a point? |
| 15:13.28 | Ahli | it worked before with center. now center doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 15:20.01 | Dustin | origin |
| 15:23.18 | Ahli | doesn't follow the unit. :S |
| 15:39.53 | Vailreth|2 | hello mapsters |
| 15:40.59 | themusic | herro |
| 15:41.14 | Vailreth|2 | when testing maps in the beta does any one else notice you must leave the window and come back to get the map to finish loading or start up? |
| 15:41.30 | Vailreth|2 | the game window i mean |
| 15:41.39 | themusic | havent tested beta yet |
| 15:42.04 | Vailreth|2 | hm |
| 15:42.42 | themusic | Ahli is testing it |
| 15:42.46 | themusic | dunno where he went tho |
| 15:43.11 | Vailreth|2 | hm |
| 15:44.05 | Vailreth|2 | i cant wait to see some of the advanced data types in action like all of the campaign data the have added |
| 15:44.45 | themusic | did you read if they're making bank files hosted, or are they still local/hackable |
| 15:45.07 | Vailreth|2 | proabably still local |
| 15:45.26 | themusic | lame |
| 15:46.20 | Vailreth|2 | i doubt they have the server space for every user who would play custom maps with banks |
| 15:46.38 | themusic | hd space is cheap |
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| 15:48.43 | Vailreth|2 | perhaps. |
| 15:49.00 | themusic | must be some other reason tho :O |
| 15:49.07 | Ahli | banks didn't change afaIk |
| 15:49.16 | themusic | sighs |
| 15:49.18 | Ahli | still bugged/limited max size in multiplayer |
| 15:50.11 | Vailreth|2 | i dont think they will get around to changing that any time soon, unless they are planing some sort of persistence in Blizz dota |
| 15:50.15 | Ahli | they would need a UI to allow the user to delete banks and give them a max bank size, if they would do that... |
| 15:50.48 | Ahli | so everyone would have a bank storage of ~5mb or use their custom map storage for that... |
| 15:51.01 | themusic | yea just seems pretty easy to fix |
| 15:51.33 | themusic | they could store it in a hosted compressed db, doesnt have to be flat files =P |
| 15:51.52 | Dustin | It should just be part of your custom map space, bank files are just text, they arnet that big |
| 15:51.59 | Dustin | rediculious if you ask me |
| 15:52.01 | themusic | amen to that |
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| 15:52.23 | themusic | then open a read only api to the db, so you can pull in data in websites :) |
| 15:52.42 | Dustin | Yeah |
| 15:52.50 | Dustin | I wrote a program that does that with bank files |
| 15:52.56 | Dustin | that are local anyway |
| 15:53.33 | themusic | to bad no way to collect data for other players =\ |
| 15:54.31 | themusic | did u write it in php/mysql by chance? |
| 15:54.59 | Dustin | Well the actuall program is in C# and it inserts it into an SQL db |
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| 15:55.27 | Vailreth|2 | my biggest wish is that they had permanet buffs |
| 15:55.28 | themusic | gotcha |
| 15:56.04 | Dustin | Permanet buffs for what? |
| 15:56.26 | Vailreth|2 | so that when a unit dies the buff isnt cleared off before they are revived |
| 15:57.15 | Vailreth|2 | i use them for stats |
| 15:57.18 | themusic | cant u kill the model but not the unit or something |
| 15:58.13 | Vailreth|2 | thats a heavy work around for something so simple as making a buff stick to the unit after death and revival |
| 15:58.51 | themusic | tru |
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| 16:16.37 | Vailreth|2 | i just had an idea for an ability that casts a behavior on a structure that makes the structure a harvestable resorce and drains that structure of that resource while damaging it untill the channeling unit is killed or the target structure dies |
| 16:17.20 | themusic | reminds me of defiler plague |
| 16:18.02 | themusic | except.. channeled |
| 16:18.45 | themusic | and.. you dont get resources.. heh |
| 16:18.56 | themusic | i miss defiler :( |
| 16:19.11 | Vailreth|2 | we all miss something from broodwar |
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| 16:31.29 | Ahli | people rate my map with 0 stars because they didn't finish downloading sc2 which results in 900+ mb to download... my map has 29mb... |
| 16:31.33 | Ahli | or 1 star |
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| 16:31.58 | Dustin | ya the streaming player is stupid |
| 16:32.11 | Mexa | Ahli, elaborate? |
| 16:33.01 | Mexa | oh, that they think the map is 900+MB large when it is loading? |
| 16:33.39 | Vailreth|2 | looks like they removed the automated refinery from the campaign |
| 16:33.55 | Vailreth|2 | at least its not in the editor any more.. |
| 16:35.35 | Vailreth|2 | ah thats the problem it isnt showing the dependcy data |
| 16:44.54 | Vailreth|2 | drat resource type is still controlled by the units bummer |
| 16:45.11 | Vailreth|2 | forgot that |
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| 16:59.22 | Ahli | mexa, yes |
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| 17:31.34 | Mexa | By the way, there's some new animation properties in the arcade patch |
| 17:32.07 | Mexa | Glow, arm, chest, leg and eye |
| 17:32.32 | Mexa | And bone, decay |
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| 17:34.31 | qumanhawk | hi any one figure out how to use the new hero sections of the editor (1.5) |
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| 18:04.58 | Vailreth|2 | qumanhawk: not yet |
| 18:07.32 | qumanhawk | hmm, anyone know what the User Types section in the data editor is then? |
| 18:07.55 | Vailreth|2 | nope again |
| 18:09.47 | Vailreth|2 | feel free to explore and try to figure it out |
| 18:12.00 | qumanhawk | yep, so far apperently User Types, is "arbitrary data defined by the user and accessed through triggers" |
| 18:12.17 | qumanhawk | and you create a field and an instance of that field |
| 18:12.18 | Vailreth|2 | hm |
| 18:12.33 | qumanhawk | the field can be tied to any data editor element |
| 18:12.44 | qumanhawk | haven't really figured out instance |
| 18:14.02 | Vailreth|2 | i am going to wait for HotS before i start trying to mess with such things so i can see examples of how they work |
| 18:22.30 | qumanhawk | thats probably a good idea, for now i might just continue working on my map terrain |
| 18:22.45 | Mexa | quamanhawk, user data is a simple way for you to define custom data that can be used from the trigger editor later on |
| 18:23.14 | Mexa | The instances is basically an allocation of that type, with specified values |
| 18:23.39 | qumanhawk | hmm mexa, what is the point of having it in the user data area when u can just have a global variable in trigger editor that does the same thing? |
| 18:23.48 | Mexa | Say you have a user type "Hero", then each instance would be a specified hero. |
| 18:23.55 | Mexa | Designed of your chopice |
| 18:24.01 | Mexa | *choice |
| 18:24.11 | qumanhawk | ah, i see |
| 18:24.15 | Mexa | Because separating data and code is a good thing |
| 18:24.37 | qumanhawk | thanks mexa |
| 18:24.39 | Mexa | Much like it would be a pain to hardcode every unit in the game by only using code:p |
| 18:26.10 | Mexa | It also allows for easier interoperability with already existing data, since you can reference to those in your custom data. |
| 18:28.18 | qumanhawk | so instead of using catalog values you can instead use functions that get specificed User Data Field Instances? |
| 18:29.27 | Mexa | Precisely. Along with the custom data, new functions/natives have been provided to read directly from that data, instead of using catalogs. |
| 18:30.23 | qumanhawk | is there a benefit to using User Data get functions over retrieving the data with catalog functions? |
| 18:31.00 | Mexa | Actually, I think you can't retrieve custom data with catalogs |
| 18:31.06 | Mexa | But I'm unsure. |
| 18:31.35 | qumanhawk | k, well whatever the case its defiently more user friendly getting the data with the trigger editor using the new User Data Type |
| 18:31.39 | Mexa | I would believe it is better, or at least easier to use the new functions, since they are designed to work with custom data,. |
| 18:31.49 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 18:32.48 | Mexa | And I don't know about the trigger editor when it comes to structreferences yet, but if those are implemented, then it should be a breeze to create a function that fills a struct passed in to the function. |
| 18:33.06 | Mexa | (and by struct I mean a record) |
| 18:33.11 | qumanhawk | lol ya |
| 18:33.15 | qumanhawk | i dunno why blizz renamed it |
| 18:33.35 | Mexa | Oh, it's just a silly synonym:p |
| 18:34.15 | Mexa | Perhaps it is easier to visualise data as a record with several tracks on, rather with a structure of data. I don't know:> |
| 18:34.51 | qumanhawk | lol, ya i suppose if you don't have a programming background it could be easier to understand |
| 18:35.10 | qumanhawk | if you do it just takes some getting used to ;p |
| 18:35.29 | Mexa | mm |
| 18:36.10 | Mexa | But you're right, Blizzard did design the trigger editor to be useful for people with no programming background. |
| 18:36.27 | Mexa | It's more "designing" now, if one would call it that. |
| 18:37.06 | Mexa | Similar to game maker too, I guess. |
| 18:37.27 | Mexa | *GameMaker |
| 19:17.12 | Mexa | Pointless refreshing of that thread, really? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5590642786?page=2 |
| 19:18.52 | Mexa | Oh meh... people seem to do it all the time in that forum <.< |
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| 19:42.12 | ThunderLord_ | anyone know if it is possible to make an custom Event definition for "Any Player Uses Effect" |
| 19:42.25 | ThunderLord_ | instead of making 14 events for each player |
| 19:43.10 | Ahli | I think there is an any player |
| 19:43.15 | Ahli | in that event |
| 19:43.49 | ThunderLord_ | nope |
| 19:43.55 | ThunderLord_ | it just takes an integer value |
| 19:44.04 | ThunderLord_ | oh |
| 19:44.05 | ThunderLord_ | wow |
| 19:44.13 | ThunderLord_ | is that new? |
| 19:44.17 | ThunderLord_ | thats new |
| 19:44.31 | ThunderLord_ | plz say thats new, cuz i feel really stupd if it is not |
| 19:45.16 | Ahli | it's not new |
| 19:45.42 | ThunderLord_ | It haz to be atleast like... somewhat new |
| 19:46.02 | ThunderLord_ | lol |
| 19:46.02 | ThunderLord_ | wow |
| 19:46.26 | ThunderLord_ | i prolly waisted so much time |
| 19:46.28 | Ahli | Is there a way to disable AI button in the arcade lobby? |
| 19:50.28 | Ahli | ah found it |
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| 20:49.47 | Dustin | Ahli |
| 20:52.57 | Ahli | sup? |
| 20:53.35 | Dustin | There's a function to disable that Camera Outline on the minimap |
| 20:53.57 | Ahli | Should I disable it? :S |
| 20:54.08 | Dustin | Yes |
| 20:54.25 | Dustin | I mean the camera is locked and it wouldl ook better |
| 20:54.36 | Ahli | I'm actually thinking about lowering the movement speed of all monsters (level 3 and deeper) to 80% of their current speed... |
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| 22:15.07 | Vailreth|2 | grr |
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| 22:19.30 | Vailreth|2 | ok i need a bit of math help |
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| 22:59.25 | Zandose | hi |
| 23:13.46 | Vailreth|2 | hello Zandose |
| 23:14.00 | Xapti | what kind of math help |
| 23:14.47 | Vailreth|2 | i was trying to figure out how much of what .05 of a value is |
| 23:18.20 | Zandose | amount times .05? |
| 23:18.47 | Vailreth|2 | yeah i figured that out eventually but i am very very very very bad with math |
| 23:19.25 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:19.34 | JademusSreg | What's up? |
| 23:20.11 | JademusSreg | .05 is 5%. ??? |
| 23:20.52 | Xapti | why not use a calculator |
| 23:23.58 | Vailreth|2 | like i said i am very bad with math... |
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| 23:28.23 | UloseTheGame | Hey guys! |
| 23:28.29 | UloseTheGame | Is Jade in? |
| 23:28.30 | Vailreth|2 | hey Ulose |
| 23:28.35 | Vailreth|2 | i think so |
| 23:28.41 | UloseTheGame | I wanted to request he upload photon cycles on the arcade beta |
| 23:28.48 | UloseTheGame | Jade, do eet! |
| 23:28.50 | UloseTheGame | Do eet nao! |
| 23:29.10 | UloseTheGame | Vailreth you got any new maps to upload on the Arcade |
| 23:29.17 | UloseTheGame | there are so very little right now :) |
| 23:29.28 | Vailreth|2 | no but i am working on some |
| 23:29.35 | Mexa | I recall seeing plenty on eu. |
| 23:30.13 | UloseTheGame | Mexa, the Arcade Beta |
| 23:30.19 | UloseTheGame | is what im talking about |
| 23:30.23 | Mexa | Or is the server still us only? |
| 23:30.27 | Mexa | I knwo you are, |
| 23:30.29 | UloseTheGame | No the server is global |
| 23:30.42 | Mexa | What I meant. |
| 23:30.45 | Mexa | derp |
| 23:30.55 | UloseTheGame | Im talking with people from EU and NA and KR |
| 23:30.57 | UloseTheGame | and its GOOD |
| 23:31.02 | Mexa | I've seen plenty on the global server. |
| 23:31.07 | UloseTheGame | oh alright |
| 23:31.14 | UloseTheGame | ya there's like some 30 or 40 |
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| 23:33.26 | UloseTheGame | Who made Mini Chop Farms again? |
| 23:38.55 | Ahli | taintedwisp |