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07:34.14tragicWould anyone be able to lend me a hand with an issue with validators? I know that's vague, but I can explain more as needed.
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08:26.54RepoNew map: Star Creatures - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/star-creatures/
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09:11.41RepoNew announcement: Would You Rather - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/would-you-rather/
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09:35.37Shawn|RawrNo one home?
09:39.27ArchinaI'm home
09:39.55Archinaand i like the video of changing the SC2 GUI that was linked after would you rather...
09:39.59Archinaliked
10:02.19ZenotureI like Repo in general, will keep the chat more lively
10:02.20Zenoturelol
10:02.45Zenoturefirst time I really saw Repo talk, or do anything... is Repo a new bot?
10:16.24MexaRepo is the repository bot
10:16.40MexaI assume that's what his name is standing for.
10:16.58MexaIt has been here for quite some time, like Purl.
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13:47.43Hookah604hmm
13:48.15Hookah604dont know why but search effect drops the same effect for each search area
13:48.31Hookah604when I put different effects
14:16.18Hookah604I hate data editor
14:16.28Hookah604I always manage to find the bugs in it
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16:29.57ThunderLord_Hey does anyone here know if it is possible to manually input a game link as a string in to an asset link in a image spot in a trigger?
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16:38.35Hookah604ThunderLord_ what do you want exactly?
16:38.52ThunderLord_well like, i would like
16:39.06ThunderLord_well, i have a trigger that creates a dialog button based off of a certain ability
16:39.20ThunderLord_and i would like to be able to simply give the trigger the Ability
16:39.37ThunderLord_and from that , use catalogs to have the trigger go get the ability's button then that button's image
16:39.50ThunderLord_and set the dialog button's image to the icon in the abilitys button
16:40.37ThunderLord_but it seems the only way i can pass a image value to a trigger where it is looking for an image, is just by specifying a specific image
16:40.54ThunderLord_does that make sense?
16:40.59Hookah604kind of
16:41.21Hookah604so you want get the image link with catalog value?
16:41.30Hookah604its get it as string doesnt it?
16:41.37ThunderLord_yeah
16:41.52ThunderLord_and i would like to basically convert a string to an image
16:42.00ThunderLord_string to an image link
16:42.08Hookah604thats easy
16:42.22ThunderLord_good!
16:42.44Hookah604you want as dialog item image?
16:43.03Hookah604do you know how the string looks like when you get it?
16:43.05ThunderLord_yeah, i suppose so
16:43.23Hookah604well we need that
16:43.32Hookah604maybe its need some cutting...
16:43.48ThunderLord_oh
16:43.52ThunderLord_i have worked all that out
16:44.00ThunderLord_it uses the same link
16:44.07ThunderLord_Im basically creating extra buttons
16:44.19ThunderLord_so its the same size as the buttons on the command card and everything
16:44.57ThunderLord_So the link that the data editor uses for the Icon of a button, is the same as the one i need in my trigger
16:45.12ThunderLord_witch is exactly why it would be awesome to get it with triggers
16:45.19ThunderLord_catalogs* not triggers
16:46.18ThunderLord_but when i am in the trigger and i click to assign an Image to the "Set dialog item Image" action i dont see a way i can simply put in a string
16:46.37Hookah604yeah I am checking that now
16:46.57A1winyou need to use the custom script field
16:47.00ThunderLord_thanks :D
16:47.17ThunderLord_im really unfamiliar with that
16:47.42A1winjust put the string variable's name in it (with the correct prefix)
16:48.09ThunderLord_Hummmm
16:48.11A1winif your string is a local variable called "String", the variable name would be "lv_string"
16:48.22ThunderLord_okay
16:48.27ThunderLord_that is helpful
16:48.31ThunderLord_ill give that a try
16:48.34ThunderLord_cool
16:48.35A1win(the first letter after the prefix is always in lower case)
16:49.13ThunderLord_okay so just for the sake of curiosity if the variable name was STring, would i be lv_sTring?
16:49.32Hookah604yeah custom script
16:49.36A1winlv_ for local variable, lp_ for local parameter, and gv_ for global variable
16:49.41A1winThunderLord_, yeah
16:49.50ThunderLord_Perfect
16:49.54ThunderLord_that should work great
16:49.58A1winyou can see the names if you turn on raw data in trigger editor
16:50.03A1winbut it doesn't show you the prefixes
16:50.32A1winyou can see the prefixes and the actual names by looking at Data - View Script
16:51.09Hookah604or you can use a dialog item with white blended background and add the image in the dialog item's text:D (I did that somewhere...)
17:02.57Hookah604does any search areas work correctly if you have multiple areas?
17:16.26JademusSregKapow.
17:17.47JademusSregIn the near future, I will be publically releasing Photon Cycles, unlocked and open. I have not decided if I should clean up the shitty code first, though.
17:19.26Hookah604Finally! If you have one of the fucking unit flags on dont know which fucking one, than all your search areas on the unit will have the same effect
17:19.31Hookah604I HATE DATA EDITOR
17:19.39JademusSregData editor is lovely.
17:19.45JademusSregAnd easy. =D
17:19.48Hookah604TOOK ME ABOUT 2 HOURS TO FIGURE THAT FUCK OUT
17:19.59JademusSregHaha
17:20.26Hookah604I bet no one could use my shity codes:D
17:21.12TragicMWhat is the Value for the point of origin for a search effect? Is it caster point? Source Point? Origin point? :P
17:21.14JademusSregPhoton Cycles was just a prototype, but I never went back and improved the code, so it's rather like heaping shit upon shit.
17:21.41JademusSregbrb
17:23.22ThunderLord_Hey JademusSreg Im just curious, how did you make the background and the floor in the photocycles game?
17:23.32Hookah604TragicM right click-> Reset to parent value
17:23.55ThunderLord_Also A1win and Hookah604, the using the string variable and custom script worked perfectly, Thanks a ton for the help
17:23.59TragicMGood call Hookah, that did the trick for what I need.
17:24.12Hookah604:D
17:24.41JademusSreg(In the prototype/early version, it was rescaled and tinted cubes, and the walls used the force wall model. In the current version, it uses custom model assets.)
17:25.08Hookah604JademusSreg I really miss the terrain from it:D
17:25.50TragicMWhen using validators for a search effect, will it check each unit found against a Location Range validator by any chance? I'm still not sure how to use this thing...
17:26.26JademusSreg(The old terrain looked like crazy glass on low settings, and I wanted to support all settings well. =D )
17:30.10TragicMHmm... perhaps my question should be something more along the lines of: How can I make a search effect ignore units that are too close to it?
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17:32.28JademusSregUse two areas.
17:32.55JademusSregMake the first area in the search area array tag units in a way that excludes them from the second.
17:33.09JademusSregYou could tag those units using either a marker or a behavior.
17:33.42TragicMCool, I'll give it a shot and see if I understand
17:34.26JademusSregUsing a marker should better support multi-instancability, so I'd suggest that if you expect more than one instance can exist at a time.
17:34.43TragicMWhat is a marker, exactly?
17:35.19JademusSregNotice how some effects use them? Raynor Railgun Snipe, the artifact's Energy Nova?
17:36.03JademusSregA marker is applied to indicate a unit is marked, so it can be excluded from further effect.
17:36.11JademusSregRather, that's how it's usually used.
17:36.31JademusSregI imagine one might just as well make validators that require markers, instead.
17:36.37Hookah604why not just use 2 search areas in the search
17:36.46JademusSregI said that Hook. Haha
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17:37.05JademusSregThat's how we came to markers.
17:37.10Hookah604but you dont need marker for that
17:38.06Hookah604search area 2 (1) wont include search area 1 (0)
17:38.12JademusSregbbl, Diablo 3
17:38.21TragicMAh, so you mean how the railgun marks a unit as "hidden" for a short duration?
17:38.29TragicMAnd hookah, it won't? That would be perfect
17:38.57Hookah604well I just had trouble with it and it probably wont.
17:46.18Vailrethwhats happening folks
17:46.35TragicM^_^ Hello
17:47.24Vailrethwhats who trying to do maybe i can help?
17:48.18TragicMI'm trying to make a search effect that ignores units within a certain distance of the search origin
17:49.21Vailrethso it only searchs from that distance out?
17:49.42TragicMyeah
17:50.00TragicMthough only until the end of a second radius
17:50.18Vailrethvalidator man to the resuce .. i think
17:50.46TragicMI've been messing with validators. Though Jademus suggested using the marker approach like Raynor's rail gun
17:52.07Vailrethi would put a location range validator on the effect the search area creates
17:52.30Vailreththat way the effect will not fire unless the validator is trye
17:52.58Vailrethdata editing is like preforming magic
17:53.11TragicMYeah
17:53.24Vailrethits not as important how it really works as much as how the audiance preceives it to work
17:53.35TragicMI've tried the location range validator, but perhaps I didn't do it right
17:54.22TragicMI imagine the Target location and the Validator Value were not set properly :(
17:55.04Vailrethmaybe
17:55.56Vailrethif i knew what the net effect you were trying to create was i could better help
17:56.53TragicMoh, wait, I think that worked
17:57.06TragicMI remade a validator for location range and adjusted the target and value fields :P
17:57.42TragicMwait, no, haha
17:58.16Vailrethwhat kind of finished effect are you trying to produce?
17:59.29TragicMBasically, the search looks in a radius for units matching a condition, but I only want to use an effect on the matching units that are a certain distance away from the point the search takes place from.
18:00.32Vailrethis the search being cast at the unit or a diffrent location?
18:00.37TragicMAn example would be: Imagine a large group of zerglings and a giant donut falls on them. The ones in the hole in the middle will be fine, as well as those who are outside the area.
18:00.55TragicMIt is casting from a unit in the middle.
18:02.51Vailrethok so it would likey be  Target Location value = Target unit. Validator Compaire = greather than or equal to. valiadtor range = your range. Validator Value Value Caster Unit.
18:04.46TragicMI tried that, and it didn't apply the effect to anything.
18:05.51TragicMWhen I set the value to Origin point and the location to target point, it validated everything, haha
18:08.18Vailreththe validator i have set up that way works fine for me
18:09.17TragicMhmmm :\
18:09.56Vailrethare you using the validator on the right effect?
18:10.23TragicMThat's a good question. I've tried changing that around a bit, but with no success.
18:10.53Vailreththe effect created by the search effect is the one that needs the range validator
18:11.26TragicMoh! Okay, let me try that.
18:17.47TragicMWell, it's progressing, but something is still off. I probably messed a few values up somewhere
18:17.51TragicManyways, gotta run afk
18:17.54TragicMthanks for the help!
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21:49.25Slaydoni miss error 37
21:49.28Slaydon:'(
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21:51.45SlaydonI jinxed it and now its back lmao
21:51.52Slaydonheeahaeheh back to d3
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22:43.09Ahliyay, error 37. after an "unable to create party" error while fighting champions :S hoping that I won't die like everytime that stuff happens :S
22:46.16DustinBack in my day, games didnt have meme level errors. they just fucking worked.
22:46.34Vailrethheh
22:48.40Ahliback in my day, games crashed with a bluescreen because the music file couldn't be loaded properly from CD.
22:49.30Vailrethback in my day a simple fps took five cds to install
22:56.52AhliI've "day of the tentacle" on floppy discs ;S I think it had more than 16.
22:57.47Vailrethwow
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23:56.22delineatorahoy!
23:57.30delineatorfor the sake of scripts, are buildings considered units?
23:57.49delineatorie like in the event space

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