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| 00:16.05 | Lajla | there is no real need to farm in D3 |
| 00:16.17 | Lajla | Well, if you play hardcore it might be prudent |
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| 14:10.46 | ckSynergy | Has anyone else experience a bug with vital max fraction modify behaviors? |
| 14:13.10 | Zandose | uh, is that a word¿ i think everyone is playing diablo 3 |
| 14:13.29 | ckSynergy | wouldnt be surprised |
| 14:13.47 | ckSynergy | and is what a word? lol |
| 14:14.00 | Zandose | vital max fraction modify behaviors |
| 14:14.06 | Zandose | was just joking |
| 14:14.16 | A1win | it's five words, if I counted right |
| 14:14.55 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 14:15.03 | Zandose | My god! he can count |
| 14:15.10 | ckSynergy | End of the world |
| 14:15.16 | A1win | just a guess, good to hear I was right |
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| 14:16.18 | Zandose | will a game slow-down, lag, become unplayable, or lose frames per second if i spam the event mouse moved every .05 seconds? |
| 14:17.00 | ckSynergy | quite possibly |
| 14:17.28 | A1win | it might cause some lag if anything, but not performance issues |
| 14:17.34 | ckSynergy | depends on how many players and their computer specs lol |
| 14:17.58 | A1win | not really even computer specs |
| 14:18.05 | A1win | it's not a heavy operation <.< |
| 14:18.06 | Zandose | i just need some way to detect where the mouse is for dialogs. need to know which one its over |
| 14:18.31 | Zandose | i can use mouse move, camera move, maybe mouse clicks |
| 14:19.05 | Zandose | theres no event for mouse over dialog right? |
| 14:19.26 | A1win | nope |
| 14:19.36 | A1win | are you absolute sure you need that feature? |
| 14:20.24 | Zandose | why art thou hate me blizzard! |
| 14:20.26 | A1win | it would be more reasonable to redesign the system so that it does not need it (or make something else) |
| 14:20.53 | A1win | it's good to know the engine's limitations before trying to design anything complex |
| 14:21.07 | Zandose | thats crazy talk. i will design conplex systems outside the normal usage and people will like it god damnit! |
| 14:21.45 | A1win | they won't if it doesn't work ;p |
| 14:22.00 | Zandose | it will work! ...i think |
| 14:22.38 | A1win | it'll most likely be very laggy |
| 14:22.46 | A1win | test it |
| 14:22.46 | Zandose | .... |
| 14:23.11 | Zandose | will do |
| 14:23.25 | A1win | (with max players) |
| 14:23.37 | Zandose | thats going to be hard to find |
| 14:23.57 | A1win | better to do it instead of make a map and then find out it doesn't work |
| 14:24.43 | Zandose | can dialogs move offscreen? like half a dialog on the screen and half off |
| 14:24.54 | A1win | sure |
| 14:25.24 | Zandose | k |
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| 14:39.15 | Vindicator | Anyone know how to allow a "medic - heal" ability to be used by multiple units on the same target? |
| 14:41.41 | ckSynergy | Zandose, what are you tryng to do |
| 14:43.48 | Vindicator | And Zandose - yes, dialogs can move offscreen |
| 14:46.24 | Vindicator | and yes, there's an event for mouse over a dialog |
| 14:47.15 | Vindicator | "Player uses dialog item with type mouse enter" |
| 14:47.44 | Vindicator | so to detect if a player is mousing over a dialog or not, make a blank dialog item image the size of the dialog. |
| 14:48.21 | Vindicator | Dialogs are my expertise so if you have more questions Zandose let me know, i'll be around til D3 comes back up ;) |
| 14:48.41 | A1win | oh, have they added that event recently or has it always been there? |
| 14:48.49 | Vindicator | it was added in 1.4 |
| 14:48.49 | Zandose | ic |
| 14:49.11 | Zandose | ill look into it |
| 14:50.34 | Zandose | how do you remove the boarder? |
| 14:51.18 | Vindicator | hide dialog background |
| 14:51.30 | Vindicator | the background image is the border and the background |
| 14:51.56 | Zandose | that also gets rid of the background. i want the black background just not the boarder around it |
| 14:52.07 | Vindicator | no can do, you'll have to make ur own background then |
| 14:52.08 | Zandose | ic |
| 14:52.24 | Zandose | are there any images already in sc2 i can use? |
| 14:52.33 | Vindicator | ya |
| 14:53.17 | Zandose | does it matter what image i use? |
| 14:53.18 | Vindicator | when you add a dialog item image, it defaults to a solid white image, and you can tint it a few colors and that can be your background |
| 14:53.24 | Zandose | like just a black image |
| 14:53.59 | Vindicator | ya, so you could tint the white image to be black, and stretch or tile it (either one in this case) and you'd have a solid black |
| 14:54.07 | Zandose | forget the icon images for now, just the dialog boarder itself |
| 14:54.29 | Vindicator | i'm talking about a dialog item image being the background ;) |
| 14:54.37 | Zandose | oh |
| 14:54.48 | Zandose | i thought items were things to added to the dialog itself |
| 14:55.03 | Vindicator | hide the background image and make your own via a dialog item image this way ;) |
| 14:55.19 | Vindicator | just because the background is hidden, the dialog still exists on screen |
| 14:55.28 | Zandose | interesting idea |
| 15:04.35 | Zandose | so far so good |
| 15:05.19 | Vindicator | cool |
| 15:05.34 | Zandose | now i just need to make it transparent |
| 15:05.51 | ckSynergy | fade dialog item |
| 15:07.33 | Zandose | hmm. think i made a mistake in the item image. transparency isnt working |
| 15:07.35 | Vailreth | hello friends |
| 15:07.41 | Zandose | hi |
| 15:07.48 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.28 | Vindicator | there's two things for transparency, one is for a specific dialog item, one is for the whole dialog and it's contents, which do you want to do? |
| 15:09.20 | Zandose | idk. the background of the dialog itself is hidden and a item image is being used instead to simulate the black background |
| 15:09.26 | Zandose | was trying Dialog - Create an image for dialog (Last created dialog) with the dimensions (400, 1500) anchored to Left with an offset of (0, 0) setting the tooltip to "" using the image Assets\Textures\black.dds as a None type with tiled set to True tint color Black and blend mode Normal |
| 15:09.40 | Zandose | oops, meant... Dialog - Fade (Last created dialog item) to a transparency of 0.9 over a period of 0.0 seconds for (Player group((Picked player))) |
| 15:10.15 | Vindicator | right, but do you want to make the black image transparent, or the whole dialog and anything you add to it from here on out? i'm guessing you just want to make the black image transparent correct? |
| 15:10.25 | Vindicator | oh |
| 15:10.28 | Vindicator | it's 0-100 |
| 15:10.29 | Zandose | yes |
| 15:10.35 | A1win | black.dds is transparent in the image itself I believe |
| 15:10.38 | Vindicator | 0.9 = 0.9% transparent |
| 15:10.44 | Zandose | ic |
| 15:10.57 | Vindicator | ya, use the image "White32.dds" and tint it black |
| 15:11.41 | Vindicator | someone at blizzard was a nub and looked at the preview for black.dds and saw it was black, and named it black i think, but in reality, black is the default color for transparent things in the preview window soo yaa |
| 15:12.29 | A1win | why would someone else than the maker of the image name it :P |
| 15:12.38 | Zandose | its working correctly now. thank you guys |
| 15:13.09 | Vindicator | organization of names? i dunno lol |
| 15:13.50 | Vindicator | if you've got a team of 50 artists making content and they make mistakes when naming stuff i'm guessing a guy went through and renamed things? just a guess i dunno |
| 15:14.09 | Vindicator | or a guy fixing typos |
| 15:14.09 | A1win | it's not that random ;p |
| 15:14.31 | A1win | they probaby just didn't think it's misleading to name it black.dds |
| 15:15.42 | Vindicator | do you know how to make a single unit be targeted by multiple medic - heal abilities? |
| 15:15.56 | A1win | maybe the behavior has a max stack count set to 1? |
| 15:16.02 | A1win | or there's some marker limit thing, dunno |
| 15:16.16 | A1win | not quite sure how the markers work |
| 15:16.20 | Vindicator | i didn't see a behavior tied to that |
| 15:16.29 | Vindicator | and what are markers? |
| 15:16.58 | ckSynergy | I think markers are just identifiers for requirements/validators |
| 15:17.26 | ckSynergy | kind of like custom unit value in the trigger editor. Not much unit, or very select use |
| 15:17.49 | A1win | oh yeah it doesn't have a behavior, dunno then |
| 15:17.49 | ckSynergy | are you using the standard/stock medic heal ability? |
| 15:18.38 | Vindicator | ya |
| 15:18.43 | Zandose | so wheres this mouse over dialog event? having trouble finding it |
| 15:18.54 | Vindicator | dialog item used |
| 15:18.57 | Vindicator | choose that event |
| 15:20.13 | Zandose | ah |
| 15:20.16 | Zandose | stupid me |
| 15:22.23 | ckSynergy | vindicator |
| 15:22.35 | ckSynergy | under the ability for medic heal |
| 15:23.05 | ckSynergy | Ability: Target-sorts+ Have you tried changing request count? |
| 15:23.13 | ckSynergy | dunno if thats it, but worth a shot |
| 15:23.39 | Vailreth | its the markers |
| 15:24.52 | ckSynergy | fun stuff then |
| 15:25.01 | ckSynergy | so it works without the marker validator huh? |
| 15:25.35 | Vindicator | i'll try both thanks |
| 15:25.47 | A1win | I'd guess just getting rid of anything to do with the markers should do the trick, since there's no other reason to use the markers than to limit the targets |
| 15:26.08 | ckSynergy | yea that looks right |
| 15:26.24 | ckSynergy | no marker validator error: cant be targeted by multiple units |
| 15:28.04 | Vindicator | yay i got it |
| 15:28.15 | Vindicator | markers 5 didn't do the trick, but markers 0 did wooo |
| 15:31.08 | ckSynergy | makes sense |
| 15:33.48 | ckSynergy | grrrrr |
| 15:34.42 | ckSynergy | Is there something im missing? Is there a way to prevent a unit from gaining hp when its max vitals are adjusted? |
| 15:38.46 | Vindicator | starting hp? |
| 15:38.58 | Vindicator | or you mean when it's max vitals are adjusted in a game? |
| 15:39.17 | ckSynergy | adjusted in game |
| 15:39.34 | Vindicator | worst case scenario you could set the current HP as an integer, raise the max hp and then set the unit's current HP to that integer |
| 15:40.22 | ckSynergy | I have an item that's only effect is to adjust a unit's maximum life fraction by +0.25 (25%), however there is a bug where when the unit gains the item, it gains the max hp AND gains life equals to the amount of MAX hp gained, instead of staying fractional |
| 15:40.44 | ckSynergy | Avoiding triggers |
| 15:42.23 | ckSynergy | for example: unit has 25/50 hp. It gains the item. Its health is now 37/62 instead of 31/62. This is because the unit gained 12hp from max, so its added that to the current life (instead of adding 6hp) |
| 15:43.22 | ckSynergy | and its not just items, but behaviors in general |
| 15:45.16 | Vindicator | add a behavior that damages with the same math you add HP with, just negative? |
| 15:45.49 | Vailreth | i dont think its a bug i think its intended behavior |
| 15:46.23 | Vailreth | i could be wrong though |
| 15:46.27 | Vindicator | ya, they figured some people would want to do it and some wouldn't so they had to choose to do it one way or the other and they chose that way |
| 15:46.32 | ckSynergy | Vindicator: Tried that but any effects take place after the hp is added, so you can never calculate the % added |
| 15:47.26 | ckSynergy | well it should add a fractional amount of the current hp, not add the fractional amount of the max hp gained to the current hp |
| 15:47.36 | ckSynergy | throws all calculations off and no compensation |
| 15:47.43 | Vindicator | why are so many data editor guys uninterested in using triggers? |
| 15:48.08 | Vindicator | i mean, they r there for a reason right? |
| 15:48.47 | ckSynergy | I'm fine with using triggers. I'm a programmer by trade, but I believe in simplicity and using proper methods. When I need a long trigger to work around a hp bug, something is wrong |
| 15:49.08 | Zandose | Im trying to get my dialog to respond to Dialog - Any Dialog Item is used by Player Any Player with event type Any. nothing is happening. did i miss something? |
| 15:49.20 | Vindicator | define proper?? lol |
| 15:50.30 | Vindicator | how do you want it to respond? whats your action thats supposed to be happening |
| 15:50.32 | ckSynergy | unit modifications should be done in the data editor unless there is a good reason to use a trigger for it. Using a trigger to fix a miscalculation on blizzards part is not proper. |
| 15:51.10 | ckSynergy | not to mention improper coding can cause horrific lag |
| 15:51.50 | Vailreth | ckSynergy you are right it is a bug sorry |
| 15:52.38 | ckSynergy | Its ok :) |
| 15:52.41 | Zandose | Created separate dialogs (background not shown) with item text (shown) and item images (shown). Another trigger: Dialog - Any Dialog Item is used by Player Any Player with event type Any AND a debug message. nothing happens |
| 15:53.30 | ckSynergy | but not the question is, how to work around it |
| 15:53.34 | ckSynergy | *now |
| 15:53.42 | Zandose | triggers |
| 15:54.59 | ckSynergy | without triggers zandose |
| 15:55.32 | Vindicator | oh |
| 15:55.54 | Vindicator | in conditions you need to specify which dialog item you want to recognize interaction with |
| 15:56.06 | Vindicator | like "Dialog item = blahblah" |
| 15:56.10 | Vindicator | for the condition |
| 15:56.24 | Zandose | why cant i just detect them all |
| 15:56.31 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.22 | Vindicator | and wait what is your action again? |
| 15:57.26 | Vindicator | what's it supposed to be doing? |
| 15:57.37 | ckSynergy | Hes creating an objective/quest dialog |
| 15:58.32 | ckSynergy | honestly, the scroll thing is the only thing throwing me off lol |
| 15:58.54 | Zandose | my setup is such: im using one dialog (hidden background) with a item image for the background instead. them i've created multiple dialogs for each "Quest" item, containing item text and item image |
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| 15:59.22 | Vindicator | right, what i'm trying to figure out is what's supposed to be happening if your trigger works |
| 15:59.48 | Vailreth | ckSynergy: i am sure this issue will be addresed before blizz dota is released |
| 16:00.02 | Vindicator | do u have skype Zandose? |
| 16:00.02 | Zandose | the user moves the mouse over one of these quest dialogs, the dialog event fires, and some more information on the quest is displayed |
| 16:00.06 | Zandose | nope |
| 16:00.15 | ckSynergy | Vailreth: Considering dota has been in progress for a year, and 1.5 just got into beta, I doubt it |
| 16:00.41 | ckSynergy | Zandose: do you know how to use records? |
| 16:00.47 | Vailreth | it took over a year for them to fix the morph + atribute stats bug |
| 16:00.59 | Vindicator | Zandose: well first do this - use the event "Key Pressed" and make it so that the trigger should run when you press a key. that way you know something is wrong with the event, and not the action. |
| 16:01.06 | ckSynergy | lol, alright then, well lets hope they fix it soon |
| 16:01.38 | Vailreth | mind you i reported that bug In Beta |
| 16:01.53 | Vailreth | when they first released the beta editor |
| 16:02.11 | Vailreth | that what near or over two years ago? |
| 16:02.44 | Vailreth | any who im off for lunch and to do dishes |
| 16:02.46 | Vailreth | later |
| 16:03.16 | Zandose | c-ya |
| 16:06.42 | Vindicator | Zandose : you should get skype ;) |
| 16:08.08 | ckSynergy | You know, im surprised blizzard didnt add in more helpful panel functions in 1.5 |
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| 18:12.59 | Zolden | what ability stage should be used as an event to have the attack animation played |
| 18:13.05 | Zolden | like when the unit attacks |
| 18:13.12 | Zolden | but for the ability |
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| 18:13.32 | Zolden | the ability is attack-target type |
| 18:13.54 | Zolden | i mean effect-target one |
| 18:14.18 | Zolden | and i want it to trigger the attack animation when it start its effect |
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| 18:20.34 | Zolden | no answer ;/ |
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