| 00:05.27 | Bibendus | User-defined data system, accessed through the new User type in the Data module as well as the corresponding functions in the trigger library. |
| 00:05.30 | Bibendus | da fuq |
| 00:05.40 | Bibendus | after all this time to create my custom vars :( |
| 00:08.13 | Mexa | =D |
| 00:08.43 | Bibendus | at least the multi version is almost ready :D |
| 00:08.51 | Mexa | Sweet |
| 00:10.31 | Bibendus | but ill go to sleep now :D |
| 00:10.33 | Bibendus | bye |
| 00:10.40 | Mexa | Seeya! |
| 00:10.52 | Bibendus | in these days ill release a version with a lot of fixes :D |
| 00:11.23 | Mexa | I'll play if I have time, you know that:p |
| 00:12.42 | Bibendus | yep :D |
| 00:12.47 | Bibendus | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/hive-keeper/forum/general/21137-hive-keeper-development-diary/?page=4#p79 |
| 00:12.51 | Bibendus | I fixed all things you said |
| 00:13.02 | Mexa | Neato |
| 00:13.03 | Xapti | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4926492822?page=2#23 kinda slow but what can ya expect from blizz |
| 00:14.29 | Xapti | cool I wasn't sure if that was a project you were going to follow through with when I heard about it |
| 00:14.29 | Mexa | "After the mod makers have a chance to tool around in there, the wider community will get a chance to experiment with the new interface, play those games, and see what the Arcade is all about in the relatively near future." But wait, wasn't everyone able to join in? |
| 00:14.53 | Bibendus | bye |
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| 00:24.36 | delineator | so im new to mapping in SC2... am i getting wind of a new update to the mapping stuff from bliz? |
| 00:24.59 | delineator | sorry, i havent gotten my chance to update myself on all the forums yet |
| 00:25.29 | delineator | it sounds like theres some significant language update coming out soon... |
| 00:34.53 | RipperRoo | someone here has invite to 1.5 alpha? |
| 00:39.53 | RipperRoo | Dustin u sound like one with access |
| 00:39.54 | RipperRoo | :o |
| 00:41.03 | Dustin | I wish |
| 00:41.29 | Vindicator | I've got access RipperRoo but i don't have an invite like to give out |
| 00:41.51 | RipperRoo | i am not asking vor an invite :D |
| 00:52.15 | Zandose_ | is there a easy way to add a custom script to a event? I want to use events with region variables but I need to use custom script. although actions has a custom script events do not. |
| 00:54.28 | Vindicator | I've looked into making custom events before and a few people on the mapster forums say it's not possible. |
| 00:54.37 | Zandose_ | err. i can't write galaxy code events/actions |
| 00:55.00 | Zandose_ | do you have a template for make a event/action? |
| 00:55.07 | Zandose_ | making* |
| 00:57.00 | delineator | ahaha |
| 00:57.09 | delineator | i was just about to ask about making triggers in g++ |
| 00:57.51 | delineator | i attempted converting the standard GUI trig "gt_MeleeInitialization" to galaxy++ format: http://pastebin.com/ieyQ3Ssp |
| 00:58.03 | delineator | wondering if thats correct |
| 01:07.34 | Zandose_ | guess no one wants to help.... |
| 01:08.01 | delineator | if you're using Galaxy++ i just posted my attempt on pastebin |
| 01:08.06 | delineator | you're free to look at it |
| 01:09.17 | Zandose_ | i don't even know galaxy. im no help |
| 01:09.32 | delineator | uhh, i mean for your reference |
| 01:10.26 | delineator | you said you wanted a template |
| 01:11.02 | delineator | if you're using galaxy++ then you can look at mine. if not, then just click the gears looking thing in the starcraft2 editor |
| 01:11.44 | delineator | then add a trigger there, should be pretty self explanatory |
| 01:12.01 | delineator | events, conditions and actions are the three main things that matter |
| 01:12.26 | delineator | what event starts the trigger, what condition is required to allow it to run, and what actions to take when it does actualy fire |
| 01:12.49 | delineator | hope that helps |
| 01:13.42 | delineator | but honestly if you're using the actual editor blizzard made, there should be some decent videos on youtube for something like that to get you started |
| 01:14.12 | delineator | i never looked at them myself cause i just clicked around in the trigger editor to get going |
| 01:16.51 | Zandose_ | uh, are you talking about the GUI interface right now? |
| 01:17.02 | delineator | yessir |
| 01:18.32 | Zandose_ | im fine with the GUI editor. Its the galaxy code behind it I want to use to make a custom trigger. i just don't know how to make them |
| 01:18.40 | delineator | ok |
| 01:18.51 | delineator | i'm like 0.5% ahead of you then |
| 01:18.59 | delineator | im using Galaxy++ |
| 01:19.13 | delineator | which, if you write code, seems to be the best option |
| 01:19.15 | Zandose_ | i think i almost have what I want but still not sure how to get the event part to run |
| 01:19.18 | Zandose_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/5378/ |
| 01:20.30 | delineator | ok i looked, not sure whats up since im new too.check out this |
| 01:20.33 | delineator | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/galaxy-editor-beier/#w-delegates-function-pointers |
| 01:20.48 | delineator | if you like the way that code looks, then get the Galaxy++ editor |
| 01:21.20 | delineator | you have to run as admin so it can work right since it talks to the blizzard editor |
| 01:21.38 | delineator | you write code and i guess when you compile, it injects it into your map |
| 01:22.17 | Zandose_ | i don't want to go that direction at this moment. i think i found a solution for now |
| 01:22.18 | delineator | so you write everything in Beier's style which is good cause there are many OO language features added(Beier made g++) |
| 01:22.35 | delineator | hahaha |
| 01:22.39 | delineator | alright man |
| 01:23.30 | Zandose_ | but requires one custom trigger and one normal trigger to work |
| 01:23.39 | delineator | uhh |
| 01:23.43 | delineator | cant help you bro |
| 01:24.10 | Zandose_ | its life |
| 01:24.16 | Zandose_ | i can live with it for now |
| 01:24.17 | delineator | you wont take my advice and i have almost no idea what structure's required for writing in blizz edit |
| 01:24.57 | delineator | i just know that if you write code at all otherwise, then you should see that g++ is way easier than the blizz |
| 01:25.18 | delineator | and if not, then you're learning, so it would be easier to learn in g++ (i think) |
| 01:25.50 | delineator | but i dont blame you, i am very familiar with the balance between lazy mind and lazy hand |
| 01:25.55 | Zandose_ | perhaps later on |
| 01:25.58 | delineator | i just prefer lazy hand as a general rule |
| 01:26.17 | delineator | good luck |
| 01:26.56 | Zandose_ | ty |
| 01:28.33 | Zenoture | is g++ better to use for triggers and coding for sc2 maps? |
| 01:29.08 | delineator | yeah dog |
| 01:29.17 | delineator | from what little i can tell |
| 01:29.26 | delineator | i write code in like 10+ langs |
| 01:29.43 | delineator | g++ looks like it loves me, blizzards editor looks like it thinks im retarded |
| 01:29.51 | Zenoture | lol |
| 01:30.01 | delineator | and actually requires MORE work if you're writing code at all |
| 01:30.12 | Zenoture | is there a tutorial on how to get started with g++? |
| 01:30.23 | delineator | i linked one of them above |
| 01:30.42 | delineator | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/galaxy-editor-beier/ |
| 01:31.16 | delineator | this one is straight up homeschool vids, but uses a slightly outdated version of keywords in the g++ language that Beier made |
| 01:31.17 | delineator | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/23993-intro-videos-to-galaxy/#p14 |
| 01:31.54 | delineator | so just watch the vids first and if you have ANY basic grasp of code in general, you should not only get it, but also learn some things cause he's good at explaining |
| 01:31.55 | delineator | THEN |
| 01:32.12 | delineator | go to the first link for the most current version of the language features and keywords |
| 01:32.31 | Zenoture | oh shit |
| 01:32.49 | Zenoture | just going through that link is enough to convince me lol |
| 01:33.05 | Zenoture | that looks soooooooo much easier than gedit |
| 01:33.18 | delineator | i dont even know gedit |
| 01:36.39 | Vindicator | Ok, I've got a question for you guys. Sounds simple, but it's been tough for me to figure out. How do you tell a unit to move backwards from it's current location? No triggers, just in the data editor. |
| 01:37.12 | delineator | figure out which way it's facing, then tell it to move in the opposite direction |
| 01:37.42 | Vindicator | how do you tell it to move in relation to it's current position? |
| 01:37.44 | delineator | you have to establish what is 'backwards' for that unit, which is probably gonna make you think more than the rest of that challenge |
| 01:37.56 | delineator | i dunno, im new to SC2 mapping |
| 01:38.18 | delineator | my background is in Neverwinter nights, unreal engine |
| 01:38.41 | Vindicator | ya, the backwards part isn't whats stumping me at this point, i'm not even there. I don't know how to order a unit to move anywhere but a target unit or point (which wouldn't be in relation to the unit now would it =/ ) |
| 01:39.10 | Dustin | Vindicator |
| 01:39.15 | Dustin | Point with Polar Offset |
| 01:39.19 | Zandose_ | yep |
| 01:39.27 | Vindicator | that's only in triggers though right? |
| 01:39.33 | flyingspatula | nah u can do it in data editor |
| 01:39.38 | Dustin | You can use Periodic offsets for dat |
| 01:39.40 | Dustin | data |
| 01:39.52 | Vindicator | oh really? where would i find that? |
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| 01:40.13 | Dustin | Depends on how you've got your ability setup |
| 01:41.11 | delineator | this page may get you thinking in the right direction: http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/main-page/ |
| 01:41.33 | delineator | poke around below in the "Action Category" section |
| 01:41.42 | Vindicator | when a unit falls below a certain % of health and a validator "validates" this, then the unit will be moving away from it's target |
| 01:41.43 | delineator | i think most of the goods you're looking for will be in there |
| 01:42.14 | Vindicator | Delineator: the actions are all triggers, can't use those for this. |
| 01:42.28 | Dustin | Id say force effects would be easiest |
| 01:42.36 | Dustin | But force effects are kinda fuicked up |
| 01:42.45 | Vindicator | wow really? force effects lol, just to move haha |
| 01:43.52 | Dustin | I dont know how to just order a unit to move in data |
| 01:44.15 | Dustin | Im sure you could with some sort of issue order Effect with an offset |
| 01:44.20 | flyingspatula | issue order is under Effects |
| 01:44.22 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 01:45.35 | Vindicator | ya, i looked at "issue order: move" but i could only figure out how to move a unit to a target unit/point, not like an offset of his current position |
| 01:46.48 | Zandose_ | in triggers? |
| 01:47.02 | flyingspatula | nah data |
| 01:47.07 | Vindicator | i'm going to look into the point with polar offset thing in the periodic offsets, or just periodic offsets in general, i hadn't looked there before, because after i figure this one out i also need to figure out how to make a unit circle it's target for a couple/few seconds, and i think that would be easier with periodic offsets than force effects for that one |
| 01:47.18 | Vindicator | and ya zandose_ i'm restricted to triggers for what i'm trying to do |
| 01:47.37 | flyingspatula | issue order move should be target unit, point, or both |
| 01:47.39 | Vindicator | i'm trying to get a data editor position on a team and am restricted to the data editor |
| 01:47.57 | flyingspatula | FieldUnknown Effect Target: Target +(None):Target Point |
| 01:48.02 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 01:48.12 | flyingspatula | well for that |
| 01:48.27 | flyingspatula | wait waht exactly do u mean |
| 01:48.56 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 01:49.02 | flyingspatula | you mean |
| 01:49.15 | flyingspatula | you don tknow how to reference the units position |
| 01:49.18 | flyingspatula | ? |
| 01:49.20 | flyingspatula | in data |
| 01:49.25 | Vindicator | no sir |
| 01:49.33 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 01:49.44 | Vindicator | i might have stumbled on it a long time ago but i forgot if i did |
| 01:50.47 | flyingspatula | gimme a few |
| 01:52.24 | delineator | so like, not to fill up with ignorant advice again, but you need to get units point and facing |
| 01:53.09 | Vindicator | ya, it's easy to do in the trigger editor, but doing it in data is another story. |
| 01:53.49 | Vindicator | you can just set a unit to a variable and reference that unit's position by referencing it's variable and boom, u got it in the triggers whenever u want that way, but ya.. dunno where that is in the data editor |
| 01:53.51 | delineator | you will need some extremely basic trigonometry to figure out what % of his facing is in X direction (+/-) and what % of the facing is in Y (+/-) |
| 01:54.39 | flyingspatula | well u dont really need those in a sense that you have to find them urself |
| 01:54.41 | flyingspatula | with data editor |
| 01:54.54 | delineator | then you an either bother to convert it to a unit vector or just use those numbers themselves as the general vector (this is mathematically sloppy but works) |
| 01:55.10 | delineator | oh ok so calc'ing that stuff isn't required? |
| 01:56.06 | delineator | well ima let you handle this one cuz be talkin foo, and what i have to say doesn't meet the bar |
| 01:56.09 | flyingspatula | heres an example map somoene mad for wasd |
| 01:56.10 | flyingspatula | same concept |
| 01:56.24 | flyingspatula | uses persistents |
| 01:56.26 | flyingspatula | so that it keeps moving blah |
| 01:57.18 | Vindicator | oh nice, so it's WASD with the data editor? |
| 01:57.24 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 01:57.29 | flyingspatula | as soon as my dropbox lets me login |
| 01:57.36 | Vindicator | hell ya, that should help me out tons |
| 01:59.42 | flyingspatula | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69388228/wasd.SC2Map |
| 02:00.01 | flyingspatula | whoever made it did a few things weird tho |
| 02:00.24 | Vindicator | i get the feeling you gotta do lots of things 'weird' in the data editor |
| 02:00.30 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 02:01.02 | Vindicator | the more you learn about making games, the more you realize everything you think is happening is just an illusion that it's happening. some kinda make logical sense, but other things are kinda crazy ridiculous |
| 02:06.04 | Dustin | ya lol |
| 02:06.11 | Dustin | I remember whne I made my first SC1 map |
| 02:06.19 | Dustin | And I made guys spawn at a bunker |
| 02:06.38 | Dustin | I was SO pumped I was making the guys come out of the bunker |
| 02:08.10 | flyingspatula | think first time for me was when i edited some pokemon map in sc1 lol when i was maybe 10 and gave myself all the best units and the hosted it and killed every1 |
| 02:10.45 | Vindicator | my first time was just placing terrain and tiberium in an early command and conquer and i was like WOOOWWW MONNEEY EVERYWHERE |
| 02:11.33 | Vindicator | back then i probably figured everyone had to like draw in the tiberium or something nuts like that |
| 02:17.17 | flyingspatula | do u think with the tools bliuzz is gonna share, the 3ds one, ill b able to more easily transfer models from a game with animations working after alteirng it a bit atleast |
| 02:20.37 | Vindicator | absolutely, from the sounds of it |
| 02:20.48 | flyingspatula | hmmm |
| 02:20.58 | Vindicator | i don't recall if that's included with the cinematics editor yet or not though |
| 02:22.27 | Vindicator | ok so - i'm looking at how this WASD data editor thing works, and i get most of it - but the offset thats being defined to move a unit to is in a field called " Target: Offset - Expire " wtf does expire mean in this context? |
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| 02:27.32 | flyingspatula | oh see thats the part i was talkign about |
| 02:27.51 | flyingspatula | i think he basically made the behavior duration .5 sec and when it expires it moves the unit |
| 02:28.11 | Dustin | ^ |
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| 02:28.31 | flyingspatula | and |
| 02:28.34 | flyingspatula | every time it expires |
| 02:28.42 | Dustin | Expire, Initial, Periodic are all points during an effect you can fire other effects etc |
| 02:28.51 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 02:29.12 | Vindicator | well, it moves them for .5 seconds, this expire thing happens before it expires though (at least what i'm looking at) and when ur in the map you press the move button and it moves, it doesn't wait .5 seconds, know what i mean? |
| 02:30.54 | flyingspatula | actually |
| 02:31.19 | Vindicator | like ok, there's a create persistent effect, it does have a duration, it has an "Effect Expire" defined, and an "Offset - Expire" defined. and when expiration happens (which i guess happens immediately upon this create persistent effect being run??) it run the "Move To (Issue Order)" which was what was defined as the "Effect - Expire" |
| 02:31.30 | Vindicator | sorry it DOESNT have a duration |
| 02:32.51 | Mexa|z | Dustin, did you start with Unity yet? |
| 02:34.07 | Dustin | Nah, had to work all day |
| 02:34.10 | Vindicator | see i think whats so hard for me to understand is how these values are used in the background between different things in the data editor. one way or another, this create persistent effect here is defining an offset, and then something else is somehow referencing this effects offset and utilizing it, but that's where i get lost. I can figure out what each individual effects are doing most |
| 02:34.11 | Vindicator | of the time, but understanding what values are able to be referred to between different effects is where i'm clueless |
| 02:34.15 | Dustin | And now im about to get sucked into D3 lol |
| 02:35.00 | Mexa|z | derpderp |
| 02:35.26 | Dustin | Unity seems really object oriented |
| 02:35.42 | delineator | oop is a good thing |
| 02:35.46 | Dustin | no |
| 02:35.49 | Dustin | not oop |
| 02:35.59 | delineator | barely slows the cpu down, and speeds you up a ton |
| 02:36.06 | Dustin | yeah |
| 02:36.20 | Dustin | just something Id have to get use to |
| 02:36.25 | delineator | oop? |
| 02:36.28 | delineator | never done it before? |
| 02:36.31 | Dustin | no |
| 02:36.33 | delineator | ahh |
| 02:36.33 | Dustin | not oop |
| 02:36.43 | delineator | its so good its worth learning even if you dont haveto |
| 02:36.50 | Dustin | man |
| 02:37.00 | Dustin | We're not talking about object oriented programming |
| 02:37.01 | Dustin | :P |
| 02:37.09 | delineator | i taught it to my girlfriend in about an afternoon |
| 02:37.12 | Dustin | We all know thats awesome :P |
| 02:37.14 | delineator | eh? |
| 02:37.34 | Dustin | Unity |
| 02:37.37 | delineator | what about it? |
| 02:37.39 | Dustin | the game dev engine |
| 02:37.45 | Dustin | Its object oriented |
| 02:37.53 | delineator | what does that imply? |
| 02:37.56 | Mexa|z | Dustin, I think you meant component orientated. |
| 02:38.01 | Dustin | yes |
| 02:38.03 | delineator | oh ok thank you :) |
| 02:38.07 | Dustin | object, compenent, whichever |
| 02:38.12 | Mexa|z | ;) |
| 02:38.15 | delineator | so a component is...? |
| 02:38.23 | delineator | well, 'component' in this case |
| 02:38.26 | Vindicator | a video cable! |
| 02:38.28 | Mexa|z | objects ;D |
| 02:38.29 | delineator | YES!! |
| 02:38.34 | delineator | SNES, here i come! |
| 02:38.44 | Vindicator | that would be composite ;) |
| 02:38.45 | Dustin | delineator, have you worked with the valve Hammer editor? |
| 02:38.45 | Mexa|z | Haha, not to be confused with the programming paradigm indeed. |
| 02:38.56 | delineator | NOT IF I DONT WANT IT TO BE! |
| 02:39.10 | delineator | no i have not, just unrealed |
| 02:39.20 | Vindicator | I haven't but it's theme song should be "It's hammer time" |
| 02:39.29 | delineator | STOP |
| 02:40.07 | Vindicator | (and all ur programs stop to let it load lol) |
| 02:40.44 | delineator | it purposely freezes your computer just long enough to let it soak in that everything 'stopped' |
| 02:40.47 | delineator | because it was hammer time |
| 02:41.03 | Vindicator | lol ya it does it for a split second and then the song and loading continue on |
| 02:41.07 | Vindicator | that would be awesome |
| 02:41.23 | delineator | or awesome a few times and then hella annoying after that |
| 02:41.39 | delineator | which would make all the users decide to pay to register their prog |
| 02:41.41 | delineator | lol |
| 02:41.45 | Vindicator | haha |
| 02:42.05 | Mexa|z | delineator, in Unity anyway, you have so called gameobjects you put inside the scene/game world. Each of these gameobjects can be attached one or several components |
| 02:42.34 | delineator | ah ok kind of like an interface? |
| 02:42.56 | delineator | ie, such and such object, implement doodad component |
| 02:43.23 | Mexa|z | Well, the components differ ofcourse. You can choose to attach a audio source to the object, and it will act like a object with 3d sound playing. |
| 02:43.30 | delineator | ok |
| 02:43.43 | Mexa|z | Other components could be, for instance, a ridigbody, a collider. |
| 02:43.51 | delineator | yeah makes sense |
| 02:43.56 | Mexa|z | There's a variety of components :) |
| 02:44.07 | delineator | to keep from having all that crap on every single entity in game |
| 02:44.14 | delineator | ok |
| 02:44.20 | delineator | i havent done any unity yet |
| 02:44.32 | Mexa|z | You can also create your own components by coding classes inheriting from a specific component behaviour. |
| 02:44.35 | delineator | looking at unreal's new flash project and diggin the prospects |
| 02:44.57 | delineator | makes sense as well |
| 02:45.48 | Mexa|z | All in all, coming with a powerful editor |
| 02:45.50 | Mexa|z | http://unity3d.com/support/documentation/Components/class-AudioSource.html |
| 02:46.01 | Mexa|z | Take that link for instance, there's a screenshot there |
| 02:47.02 | delineator | doesnt unity cost though |
| 02:47.02 | delineator | ? |
| 02:47.22 | Dustin | if you want premium features |
| 02:47.56 | Mexa|z | There's a free version which is for commercial use as well. |
| 02:48.08 | Dustin | DAMN |
| 02:48.11 | Dustin | unity has gone up |
| 02:48.17 | Dustin | use to be 99 bucks |
| 02:48.22 | Dustin | thats crazy |
| 02:48.48 | Mexa|z | Unity also used to not be free at all in the past:p |
| 02:49.25 | delineator | im a big unreal fan |
| 02:50.38 | Mexa|z | I'm sure Unreal is nice too |
| 02:51.08 | Mexa|z | Either way, both of them probably have their own pros and cons. |
| 02:51.38 | Dustin | Ya |
| 02:52.04 | Dustin | I might work with XNA C# |
| 02:52.10 | Dustin | for my 2D game |
| 02:52.54 | Mexa|z | Yeah, XNA is a good choice too |
| 02:53.58 | Mexa|z | I made my trippy colorsimulator in xna. |
| 02:55.36 | Mexa|z | Tbah, I gtg to bed. Dawn is rising! |
| 02:55.42 | Mexa|z | Later! |
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| 02:59.05 | Mexa|z | http://speeddemosarchive.com/marathon/ |
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| 03:26.20 | delineator | heya |
| 03:26.35 | delineator | can someone tell me about that whacky debug command to set up game speed? |
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| 04:24.57 | Zenoture | hey delineator, can you show me where you found that video for g++? |
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| 04:25.38 | Bounty | So, just got back from D3 midnight release, i was the last person to arrive out of like 60 people but the first to get the game LOL |
| 04:25.47 | Bounty | Pew Pew |
| 04:25.57 | Zenoture | lol |
| 04:26.00 | Zenoture | nice |
| 04:26.25 | Bounty | I had 130 bucks worth of trade ins and i arrived at exactl 12 so the guy was like eh fuck it i may as well give it to u now while ur up here |
| 04:26.47 | Bounty | Ironically the black person who got their right before i did had to wait in line |
| 04:26.58 | Bounty | I think my gamestop may be racist? |
| 04:28.00 | Bounty | eh not like any of us can play it neways, f*ck timezones |
| 04:37.27 | Dustin | lol |
| 04:58.55 | Currydevil | haha |
| 04:59.01 | Currydevil | yay for pst. |
| 04:59.22 | Dustin | http://www.diablocountdown.com/ |
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| 19:01.25 | Zandose | no syntax errors yet |
| 19:01.35 | JademusSreg | Oh, haha. I had scroll down. |
| 19:01.41 | Zandose | and I don't know another way to do this |
| 19:02.07 | JademusSreg | Also, the trigger functions don't have the proper definition. |
| 19:02.24 | Zandose | ? |
| 19:02.44 | JademusSreg | bool TriggerFunc (bool testConditions, bool runActions) |
| 19:02.56 | Zandose | I thought the step were: create trigger, add events, add actions, done. |
| 19:03.20 | Zandose | I don't need a condition or checks i think |
| 19:03.20 | JademusSreg | I'm refering to the functions that constitute the trigger action. |
| 19:06.02 | Zandose | i dont really get it. i guess its time to start over and retry again |
| 19:07.48 | JademusSreg | Trigger functions are formatted as bool TriggerFunc (bool testConditions, bool runActions) |
| 19:08.10 | JademusSreg | So QuestMenu_On and Off should both be formatted like that. |
| 19:08.32 | Zandose | k |
| 19:08.37 | Zandose | ill work on it |
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| 19:09.42 | Zandose | note to self: never use cheap ikea batteries in a keyboard. |
| 19:09.52 | Kenoli | D3 is pretty. |
| 19:10.06 | Kenoli | Most of it is anyway |
| 19:10.28 | Kenoli | The chat box makes me want to puke a little |
| 19:12.20 | Zandose | what does a boolean with a ! in front of it mean? Ex: if (!runActions) {return true;} |
| 19:12.22 | Zandose | not? |
| 19:12.39 | Kenoli | Yes |
| 19:13.31 | JademusSreg | Negates |
| 19:13.51 | JademusSreg | !true==false |
| 19:14.14 | JademusSreg | !(true==false)==true |
| 19:14.43 | Zandose | yep |
| 19:14.59 | Zandose | im just more use to Not(true) |
| 19:15.16 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:16.36 | Zandose | ok next question/problem. although I can make a custom script I cannot get my code added to InitTriggers so it never gets added. Normal GUI functions are automatically added but custom script functions are not. |
| 19:17.28 | JademusSreg | Custom script sections are initialized using the initializer field. |
| 19:17.38 | JademusSreg | It's below the body of the script.; |
| 19:17.54 | JademusSreg | Where it says Initializer or Initializing function |
| 19:18.01 | Zandose | ah |
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| 19:27.45 | Vailreth | Diablo31 |
| 19:27.55 | Vailreth | Diablo3! |
| 19:32.05 | Mexa|z | Hgggggnnnn, why does my sound suddenly change its pitch and speed when I process it :<+ |
| 19:32.12 | Ashamed | cuz you broked it |
| 19:32.57 | Mexa|z | It only seems to happend when the output sample rate differs from the audio clip frequency, but it seems my "step factor" still gets wrong, after like 48 seconds. |
| 19:33.02 | Mexa|z | Bleh |
| 19:34.35 | Zandose | is this wrong? http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/5385/ |
| 19:37.49 | JademusSreg | You don't need line 4. |
| 19:38.18 | JademusSreg | Also, I expect the array valueshaven't been initialized. |
| 19:38.24 | Zandose | it doesn't seem to be working ingame |
| 19:38.47 | JademusSreg | The array values have not been initialized. |
| 19:39.03 | Zandose | i created a global region variable with the init value for center of map +4 range |
| 19:39.16 | JademusSreg | Custom script initialization takes priority over everything in GUI. |
| 19:39.21 | Zandose | ic |
| 19:39.23 | Zandose | ty |
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| 19:43.16 | Zandose | are you sure about global variables not being initialized before custom scripts? the order of init is libraries, globals, custom scripts, triggers |
| 19:43.39 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 19:43.43 | JademusSreg | I might be mistaken. |
| 19:43.45 | Zandose | k |
| 19:43.50 | JademusSreg | I don't have the editor open. =D |
| 19:47.01 | Zandose | i think i was mistaken. the region events are firing. probably something wrong with another trigger. |
| 19:52.54 | Mexa|z | I recall global variables are initialised to default values. |
| 19:53.16 | Zandose | true |
| 19:53.31 | Mexa|z | eg null for most of the types, 0 for ints, fixed and color, fale for bool. |
| 19:53.36 | Mexa|z | *false |
| 19:53.50 | Zandose | no |
| 19:54.39 | Zandose | one sec |
| 19:54.41 | Zandose | illl look |
| 19:55.21 | Zandose | default variables can be something you pick |
| 19:55.43 | Zandose | a int/integer variable doesn't need to default to 0, it can be 1 |
| 19:56.10 | JademusSreg | default!=initialization |
| 19:56.34 | Zandose | string gv_nPC_Default_Unit = "HighTemplar"; |
| 19:56.56 | JademusSreg | The initial value is the value to which it is set. The default value is the value before it is initialized. |
| 19:57.26 | Zandose | and i leave you in JademusSreg's capable hands... |
| 19:57.54 | Zandose | All hail JademusSreg! the all knowing! |
| 19:58.46 | JademusSreg | is waiting for D3 to start. |
| 20:02.35 | Zandose | i've been wondering if i should get d3 for a while now |
| 20:05.42 | JademusSreg | Usually best to wait a few days. |
| 20:06.06 | Zandose | damnit! i need to change these cheap batteries in my keyboard. |
| 20:06.20 | Zandose | i almost got stuck in a sc2 test map |
| 20:06.57 | Zandose | try turning fps mode on without a keyboard to help you exit |
| 20:07.06 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 20:07.19 | Zandose | c-ya |
| 20:10.08 | Zandose | bye for me too |
| 20:16.14 | Mexa|z | I'm awaiting the starter edition, that will due for me for now. |
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| 20:55.30 | Ashamed | d3 is still broked |
| 21:01.26 | JademusSreg | I've been playing, so not entirely. HAha |
| 21:03.57 | Ashamed | for lots of people |
| 21:04.01 | Ashamed | did you read what is breaking it |
| 21:04.10 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 21:04.17 | Ashamed | ??? its when you equip, equipment on your companion |
| 21:04.20 | Ashamed | like the first guy you get |
| 21:04.21 | Ashamed | w/e his name is |
| 21:04.39 | JademusSreg | Ah, you mean that. Wouldn't know, because I don't use followers. |
| 21:04.46 | Ashamed | http://gamerant.com/diablo-3-issues-curt-149122/ |
| 21:04.49 | Ashamed | oh thats it |
| 21:04.56 | Ashamed | its funny like you equiped a shield or someshit |
| 21:05.02 | Ashamed | and it crashes d3 and then it wont open |
| 21:05.19 | JademusSreg | So you didn't buy Diablo 3, right? |
| 21:05.24 | Ashamed | no |
| 21:05.35 | Ashamed | i aint going to give blizzard money for a game i will play for 2 weeks |
| 21:05.46 | Ashamed | i rather wait until one of my friends are done and then play it ;) |
| 21:05.57 | Ashamed | Its free that way |
| 21:06.42 | JademusSreg | And you're devoting time to talking about it that could be better allocated to doing something productive? |
| 21:12.26 | Kenoli | D3 is getting an update in about five minutes |
| 21:13.07 | Ashamed | jademusreg me bitching about d3 has been perfectly productive! |
| 21:13.18 | JademusSreg | *unproductive |
| 21:13.20 | JademusSreg | Fixed. |
| 21:14.14 | Ashamed | so far the reviews i have read have told me my bitchen was correct |
| 21:14.36 | Ashamed | everyone that can actually play are already pretty much done with the game... yipee for content! |
| 21:14.56 | JademusSreg | I'll put it this way: do you bother to give a shit what people think? |
| 21:16.36 | Ashamed | it depends on your opinion lol |
| 21:17.37 | JademusSreg | I'm asking you if you give a shit about what other people think, categorically. |
| 21:19.24 | Vailreth | hah |
| 21:19.43 | Vailreth | i should have wiated a couple months to pick up d3 |
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| 21:22.11 | Vailreth | Hey Jade what do you think so far? |
| 21:22.21 | JademusSreg | I dig it. |
| 21:22.40 | Vailreth | yeah ne too, what class? |
| 21:22.47 | JademusSreg | Monk. |
| 21:22.58 | Vailreth | ah im a Demon Hunter |
| 21:23.32 | Ashamed | vail why should you of waited? |
| 21:23.34 | JademusSreg | I tried Monk and Barb during beta, both handled nicely, nice rotation even at the lower levels. |
| 21:23.42 | Ashamed | so you could just play your friends copy for free |
| 21:23.44 | Vailreth | saddy my first character glicthed |
| 21:23.51 | Vailreth | and i had to delete it/// |
| 21:23.57 | Ashamed | l0l |
| 21:24.06 | Vailreth | then the servers went bonkers |
| 21:24.07 | Ashamed | thats what 10 years of production does |
| 21:24.14 | Ashamed | .... oh wait thats not right. |
| 21:24.43 | Ashamed | I know personally i believe it takes over 10 years to create a good pvp system |
| 21:24.50 | Ashamed | i wouldn't of released it either |
| 21:25.00 | JademusSreg | [14:30:05] <JademusSreg> I like how most people use the word "belief" as an idea about which they hold to an arbitrary degree of certainty in the absence of or in contradiction to available evidence. |
| 21:25.01 | Vailreth | as for why wait, the first few emergency patches would have come and gone |
| 21:25.28 | Mexa|z | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HeE6NWmDE the heck? |
| 21:25.35 | Mexa|z | It's worse than Friday. |
| 21:29.15 | Vailreth | so i was maybe level four when they took the server offline just now/ |
| 21:30.26 | Ashamed | yep |
| 21:30.33 | Ashamed | i think they have the hotpatch |
| 21:30.38 | Ashamed | its going to take like an hour |
| 21:30.45 | Vailreth | yeah. |
| 21:30.55 | Ashamed | i am sorry but i dont think games that take 10 years should have errors that make it so you can't play |
| 21:31.01 | Ashamed | i understand the glitch here and there |
| 21:31.10 | Ashamed | but there game was still fucking broken and they hadn't figured that out yet |
| 21:31.13 | Ashamed | their* |
| 21:31.27 | Vailreth | i am thinking its the server client interaction they are patching |
| 21:31.42 | Ashamed | i already know what causes the crash |
| 21:31.44 | Ashamed | its the game |
| 21:31.50 | Vailreth | sense most of the errors seem to be in that area |
| 21:32.06 | Ashamed | when you go to equipt your follower it will sometimes glitch and cause d3 to crash and the give errror when you try to restart it |
| 21:32.14 | Ashamed | its part of the game code |
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| 21:32.31 | Vailreth | you were playing the Demon Hunter there ? |
| 21:32.38 | Ashamed | no just reading it |
| 21:32.41 | Kenoli | When a million people suddenly start using a service for the first time, errors appear |
| 21:32.46 | Kenoli | It's unavoidable. |
| 21:33.05 | Ashamed | kenoli again liek i said im ok with a glitch here and there |
| 21:33.18 | Ashamed | but when you create a game for 10 years.... you should not have something that breaks your game |
| 21:33.21 | Ashamed | that is not a glitch |
| 21:33.23 | Ashamed | that is bad code |
| 21:33.36 | Vailreth | its funny that when you play as the demon hunter and equip the one guy with his shield before doing a particular quest the game crashes like that |
| 21:33.46 | Ashamed | and i could see that happening on a game that had 1 year 2 year production |
| 21:33.51 | Ashamed | but 10 years |
| 21:33.56 | Ashamed | there should not be major code erros like that |
| 21:34.03 | Vailreth | true |
| 21:34.06 | Ashamed | i mean it would of been one thing if it just didn't work |
| 21:34.10 | Ashamed | but the game fucking crashezs and then breaks |
| 21:34.14 | Vailreth | bit i can see how it escaped them. |
| 21:34.16 | Ashamed | that is unfucking beleivable |
| 21:34.40 | Ashamed | no vail.. there is no excuse on how that excaped them |
| 21:34.45 | Kenoli | Major code errors are virtually guaranteed to exist regardless of development time |
| 21:34.45 | Ashamed | its the beging of the fucking game too |
| 21:35.01 | Ashamed | KENOLI when you buy a game it is not suppose to break |
| 21:35.24 | Vailreth | both are valid points |
| 21:35.26 | Kenoli | What would be bad is if they are unable to resolve the problems quickly |
| 21:37.05 | Vailreth | as for how it escaped them they probablely never thought of not preforming the actions in the order that works |
| 21:37.32 | JademusSreg | Unless you have experience in the relevant field, you're talking out your ass; you're not credible to speak and be taken seriously. |
| 21:37.57 | Vailreth | i have some minor experince in game design |
| 21:38.13 | Vailreth | from hobiest work to classes |
| 21:38.23 | Ashamed | i dunno all i am saying is having a glitch here and there is perfectly legit... but having something that causes people not able to play then that is bad... ( which still is not necarrly a game breaker ) but if you told me you worked on this game for 10 years i would be worried |
| 21:38.41 | Kenoli | I'm mostly just making observations about what actually happens when big projects launch |
| 21:38.45 | JademusSreg | From start to finish, design to release to updates, that would be relevant experience. |
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| 21:39.51 | Bounty | One day, when people ask me "Bounty, describe your Diablo 3 experience on release day" i will tell them "I spent 90% of it watching Europeans play on twitch". |
| 21:40.01 | Vailreth | yes that would be more relevant. |
| 21:40.03 | Bounty | >.< |
| 21:41.07 | Kenoli | You assume that people will talk to you one day |
| 21:41.13 | Kenoli | Oh wait |
| 21:41.16 | JademusSreg | Everyone is entitled to their own feelings, sure, but that does not lend itself to making assertions about a process in which one has no experience. People have every right to be annoyed, it's natural. |
| 21:41.18 | Bounty | Well yeah, thats why i said one day |
| 21:41.42 | Bounty | Besides, why would i want to talk to people? I talk to the wife, good enough for me |
| 21:41.48 | Bounty | People are overrated |
| 21:41.52 | Bounty | PEW |
| 21:41.56 | JademusSreg | Pew |
| 21:42.13 | Vailreth | fifty minutes until projected return of the us servers... |
| 21:42.22 | Bounty | JademusSreg, i cannot believe i am not one of those guys on the D3 forums raging |
| 21:42.26 | Bounty | im actually quite calm |
| 21:42.29 | JademusSreg | Coo. I'll be productive for the next 50 minutes, then. |
| 21:42.37 | JademusSreg | I was talking to Ash, Bounty. =D |
| 21:42.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:42.40 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 21:42.50 | Bounty | Ok? and i was talkign to u? |
| 21:43.04 | JademusSreg | (Ah.) |
| 21:43.05 | Bounty | I was going to ask you to play with me but now i wont |
| 21:43.10 | Bounty | Douche |
| 21:43.11 | Kenoli | Productive aka repeatedly attempting to log in to d3 |
| 21:43.13 | JademusSreg | (Haha.) |
| 21:43.25 | Bounty | You will forever regret not being able to play side by side with the best Weezard evar |
| 21:43.47 | Vailreth | what level are did you reach Bounty |
| 21:43.52 | Bounty | 11 |
| 21:44.03 | Bounty | I only got to play for like 2-3 hours though lol |
| 21:44.05 | Bounty | You? |
| 21:44.11 | Vailreth | i made ten before my character glicthed and had to DELETED |
| 21:44.19 | Bounty | wait what? really? |
| 21:44.24 | Vailreth | yes |
| 21:44.30 | Bounty | I would have expected some rage posts about that |
| 21:44.39 | Bounty | Instead i'm just seeing the standard I WANT A REFUND threads |
| 21:45.18 | Vailreth | it was a glitch with server and client communications |
| 21:45.31 | Bounty | Whta class are you |
| 21:45.32 | Bounty | What* |
| 21:45.42 | Vailreth | lvl 3 demon hunter |
| 21:45.47 | Bounty | nice |
| 21:45.50 | Bounty | Fun Fact |
| 21:45.58 | Bounty | The Male and Female Wizards both look like females |
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| 21:46.08 | Vailreth | oh .. |
| 21:46.08 | Bounty | $100 to the first person who can tell them apart |
| 21:46.20 | Bounty | I logged in and saw my guy and was like |
| 21:46.20 | Bounty | Wait, i rolled male? |
| 21:46.24 | Bounty | ooh, he just looks like that... |
| 21:46.54 | Bounty | How are you liking the game? |
| 21:47.20 | Vailreth | bugs and glitches and emergency maintenaince aside im enjoying it |
| 21:47.48 | Bounty | Not disapointed at all? |
| 21:47.52 | Bounty | I know i am in a few things lol |
| 21:47.56 | Kenoli | I haven't really seen any bugs ingame at all |
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| 21:48.13 | Bounty | First thing i said in general chat was, this is the popularity system all over again |
| 21:48.15 | Bounty | no server list |
| 21:48.18 | Bounty | game list* |
| 21:48.31 | Vailreth | aside from my CHARACTRE GLITCHING i havent seen any either |
| 21:48.43 | Bounty | I guess instead of firing the people who designed the bnet for SC2 they moved them to D3 |
| 21:48.54 | Bounty | I guess thats just me? |
| 21:49.08 | Mexa|z | "this is the popularity system all over again" -you mean that servers are sorted by popularity? |
| 21:49.14 | Bounty | no |
| 21:49.18 | Bounty | i mean no open game list |
| 21:49.25 | Mexa|z | Then don't say it's like the popularity system. |
| 21:49.26 | Bounty | Basic shit we had for D2 and SC1 |
| 21:49.31 | Bounty | Stfu Mexa |
| 21:49.34 | Bounty | You know what i mean |
| 21:50.07 | Mexa|z | I replied without knowing actually. Not much thought was made, since I haven't played the game nor seen much about it. |
| 21:50.16 | Bounty | Popularity system was them trying to replace something basic with something more "player friendly" |
| 21:50.18 | Mexa|z | *thought of any other reply |
| 21:50.25 | Bounty | and they did the same thing for D3 |
| 21:50.28 | Bounty | no game list |
| 21:50.41 | Mexa|z | No list at all? |
| 21:50.44 | Bounty | no |
| 21:50.48 | Bounty | You join quick match |
| 21:50.49 | Bounty | thats it |
| 21:50.54 | Bounty | select a quest and u get put into a random match |
| 21:50.59 | Bounty | thats it lol |
| 21:51.01 | Mexa|z | Is that a problem? |
| 21:51.08 | Bounty | Not this early in the game |
| 21:51.17 | Bounty | But in late game i could see it being a problem |
| 21:51.34 | Bounty | I enjoyed doing Baal runs with the same group of players |
| 21:51.41 | Mexa|z | So you mean that playing as a team is absolutely excluded whatsoever? |
| 21:51.43 | Bounty | and occasionally getting new peeps |
| 21:51.49 | Mexa|z | *with people you know. |
| 21:52.03 | Bounty | What the hell are you getting at? |
| 21:52.13 | Mexa|z | *Do you mean? |
| 21:52.20 | Bounty | no |
| 21:52.29 | Mexa|z | I'm just trying to understand what you mean. |
| 21:52.36 | Bounty | ... |
| 21:52.39 | Bounty | did you ever play Diablo 2? |
| 21:52.46 | Mexa|z | Yes. |
| 21:52.49 | Bounty | ok then |
| 21:52.52 | Mexa|z | I know about that server list. |
| 21:52.52 | Bounty | imagine Diablo 2 |
| 21:52.56 | Bounty | no list of games |
| 21:52.56 | Vailreth | i played it solo |
| 21:52.58 | Bounty | just a single button |
| 21:53.02 | Bounty | that puts u in a random game |
| 21:53.08 | Mexa|z | Not a problem for me |
| 21:53.10 | Ashamed | i am guesing mexa there are prob private games for friends and public matchmaing for joining a random game |
| 21:53.10 | Bounty | based on ur selected quest |
| 21:53.19 | Vailreth | every one was too elitist byt the time i got the game. |
| 21:53.34 | Bounty | I just think Diablo 3 is not the sort of game you do a matchmaking system for |
| 21:53.46 | Bounty | I think bnet 2.0 does not support game lists |
| 21:53.50 | Bounty | Only thing i can think of |
| 21:53.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:53.52 | Mexa|z | Bounty, so insetad of you needing to find a gme matching your quest, you're inserted into a matchmaking that does it for you. That sounds like a timesaver to me. |
| 21:54.05 | Bounty | Mexa |
| 21:54.07 | Ashamed | yeah i feel like in diablo that is fine |
| 21:54.12 | Bounty | Diablo is not about quests lol |
| 21:54.17 | Bounty | Its about runs in the end |
| 21:54.22 | Ashamed | they did it so people can't join a low lvl game and kill and the bosses lol |
| 21:54.27 | Bounty | Areas will be found that are the optimal place to grind with groups |
| 21:54.39 | Mexa|z | That grinding is what killed Diablo 2 in the long end. |
| 21:54.40 | Ashamed | d3 is going to fucking suck |
| 21:54.47 | Mexa|z | I'm glad they decided to do something about it. |
| 21:54.49 | Bounty | LOL? |
| 21:54.53 | Bounty | Wow mexa |
| 21:54.57 | Bounty | killed diablo 2? |
| 21:55.06 | Bounty | The game was strong for like 12 years |
| 21:55.20 | Bounty | Idk what game you were playing |
| 21:55.31 | Bounty | Grind Runs are what made Diablo 2 fun imo |
| 21:55.36 | Bounty | Meet new players |
| 21:55.38 | Bounty | Level together |
| 21:55.40 | Mexa|z | It's still fun, but when I play, I usually get a more enjoyable experience to play with people I know |
| 21:55.44 | Bounty | and you level fast aswell |
| 21:56.20 | Ashamed | all i am saying is d3 is going to suck |
| 21:56.20 | Mexa|z | I don't really give a rats ass about having to do 100+ baal runs to level up from lvl 93 to lvl 94. |
| 21:56.31 | Ashamed | bounty do you think its going to hold your attention? |
| 21:56.42 | Bounty | Of course |
| 21:56.47 | Mexa|z | And every time you created a new character, it was always the same thing |
| 21:56.49 | Bounty | If it doesnt, the AH will |
| 21:56.57 | Mexa|z | You ay, you grind, you get boosted, you do runs. |
| 21:57.03 | Bounty | Even if the game sucks i will stick around for the RMAH |
| 21:57.14 | Bounty | Unless the economy for it sucks |
| 21:57.35 | Vailreth | i will not ba part of the RMAH |
| 21:58.16 | Bounty | Thats kind of a premature decision |
| 21:58.30 | Vailreth | not really |
| 21:58.35 | Mexa|z | Bounty, so essentially, the making guide book would be, tristruns, tomb runs, diablo runs and then baal runs. |
| 21:58.40 | Bounty | If you have an item that you cannot use, nor any of your friends and you see it sells for a good amount of money on the AH... you would not sell it? |
| 21:58.44 | Mexa|z | Are you satisfied to do that all over? |
| 21:58.58 | Bounty | You realize thats what its going to be Mexa? |
| 21:59.00 | Mexa|z | I forgot to mention cow runs. |
| 21:59.07 | Mexa|z | Diablo 3? |
| 21:59.14 | Vailreth | maybe i would Sell but there is no way im going to Buy |
| 21:59.16 | Mexa|z | Not in the same way. |
| 21:59.20 | Bounty | Eventually people will discover the optimal areas to grind |
| 21:59.28 | Bounty | Vailreth |
| 21:59.33 | Bounty | Thats what i'm saying |
| 21:59.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:59.42 | Bounty | I would NEVER buy shit from the RMAH |
| 21:59.56 | Mexa|z | How are you supposed to grind on areas where your quest is already completed? |
| 21:59.58 | Bounty | But i have no issue profiting from the silly people who are willing to give me their money |
| 22:00.06 | Mexa|z | I thought you said "pick a quest and then matchmake" |
| 22:00.08 | Bounty | Because you can select ANY quest |
| 22:00.12 | Bounty | that you have completed |
| 22:01.29 | Mexa|z | Diablo3 also have more diversity, more cleverly procedural made dungeons, and more randomisation of quests. |
| 22:01.44 | Bounty | The way i see it is, even if i make $1.00 off the RMAH it is still more than what i made from making maps lol |
| 22:02.02 | Vailreth | good point |
| 22:02.11 | Ashamed | the RMAH is ok |
| 22:02.20 | Ashamed | because at least now people are not buying duped items |
| 22:02.20 | Ashamed | lol |
| 22:02.21 | Mexa|z | Your character is not always going to get the same quests, I recall they have said. |
| 22:02.25 | Bounty | So i feel D3 is the best way for map makers to redeem themselves lol |
| 22:02.27 | Mexa|z | *characters |
| 22:02.29 | Bounty | Make like 5 bucks |
| 22:02.33 | Bounty | ull feel happy |
| 22:02.35 | Bounty | n thats that |
| 22:02.57 | Bounty | Yeah but the character customization is balls Mexa |
| 22:03.07 | Bounty | Its basically a bunch of spells and each spell works like CoD Perks |
| 22:03.27 | Bounty | I mean it wont take long to figure out the optimal set of skills and perks |
| 22:03.40 | Mexa|z | It's irrelevant. I thought we were talking about the server list in the first place. |
| 22:03.57 | Bounty | We were, then you went off about characters and quests |
| 22:04.05 | Bounty | so, i went my path |
| 22:04.07 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:05.02 | Mexa|z | Meh, I rather meant that the quests were relevant since they are a parameter in the matchmaking |
| 22:05.08 | Mexa|z | What skills you have set would not. |
| 22:05.38 | Mexa|z | And that a new character would have somewhat randomised quests. |
| 22:05.57 | Bounty | I think i'll just be happy to be rid of the map making community/discussions |
| 22:06.05 | Bounty | Assuming i really enjoy the game |
| 22:06.08 | Bounty | Fingers crossed |
| 22:07.02 | Bounty | I can't remember the last time i said something and you didnt pop out of a fucking bush and just pounce on my Mexa lol |
| 22:07.05 | Vailreth | i am looking to play with others if any one wants ... sadly i am only level three. |
| 22:07.22 | Bounty | I'm down, im not sure how that would go though |
| 22:07.45 | Mexa|z | Also, Bounty, I bet that the reason that Diablo 2 is alive is due to botting, duping, and illegal profits. |
| 22:07.45 | Bounty | Sadly our SC2 friends list doest convert over to D3, only RealID |
| 22:08.15 | Vailreth | from what i understand each person has their own instanced loot for kills....so one play will see diffrent loot from another player. |
| 22:08.28 | Bounty | Yeah thats exactly how it works Vail |
| 22:08.38 | Vailreth | ah good. |
| 22:08.44 | Bounty | You basically get this formula |
| 22:08.53 | Bounty | Number of Players = The amount of loot u get |
| 22:08.55 | Bounty | bc from waht ive seen |
| 22:09.00 | Bounty | If someone finds something your class can use |
| 22:09.03 | Bounty | they will give it to u |
| 22:09.19 | Bounty | I keep finding witch doctor shit and ive never met one yet though :( |
| 22:09.34 | Vailreth | hm |
| 22:09.46 | Bounty | Right before i DC'd someone gave me a wizard hat |
| 22:09.55 | Bounty | by wizard yeah i mean.. literally.. a wizard hat |
| 22:09.56 | Bounty | point top |
| 22:09.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:10.01 | Vailreth | hah |
| 22:10.34 | Bounty | Looks like a yellow hogwarts sorting hat |
| 22:10.49 | Vailreth | hah |
| 22:11.46 | Bounty | oh, was anyone else shocked at how little graphics options D3 has? |
| 22:11.53 | Vailreth | yeah. |
| 22:12.03 | Vailreth | i felt it strange.. |
| 22:12.12 | Bounty | I think thats a record for a Blizzard game |
| 22:12.23 | Bounty | as far as 3D Blizz games go |
| 22:12.34 | Mexa|z | Is there even that much to customise in a directx 9 game? |
| 22:12.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:12.43 | Bounty | here comes Mexa |
| 22:12.47 | Bounty | popping out of that bush |
| 22:12.47 | Mexa|z | ;) |
| 22:12.58 | Mexa|z | Just kidding |
| 22:12.59 | Bounty | Mexa yells "NYAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!" |
| 22:13.14 | Bounty | and it doesnt really bother me Mexa |
| 22:13.15 | Mexa|z | It could be related to the console making. |
| 22:13.20 | Bounty | o0o |
| 22:13.25 | Bounty | Thats a VERY good point |
| 22:13.28 | Bounty | Makes sense |
| 22:13.36 | Bounty | Thats usually what we see when games are on both PC and console |
| 22:13.53 | Bounty | But idk... thats usually when its a console port |
| 22:14.18 | Bounty | Vailreth do u know what those frame limiter options do? |
| 22:14.24 | Bounty | like Background and Foreground |
| 22:15.04 | Mexa|z | Maybe they had a core settings profile which both worked for pc and console. |
| 22:15.17 | Mexa|z | And then they added only a few more options for the PC: |
| 22:15.24 | Mexa|z | *. |
| 22:15.30 | Bounty | That would be... so awful Mexa |
| 22:15.35 | Bounty | Would basically mean the end of Blizzard |
| 22:15.42 | Mexa|z | :p |
| 22:15.45 | Bounty | If they started to betray PC players in favor of 6 year old consoles |
| 22:15.55 | Bounty | I mean hey, you could be right |
| 22:16.01 | Vailreth | Bount i am assuming they effect the redraw rate for the diffrent distances |
| 22:16.05 | Bounty | Maybe all that Activision rage people have been yelling is true lol |
| 22:16.07 | Mexa|z | Or they decided to skip implementing a lower level layer from their abstraction layer. |
| 22:16.40 | Bounty | I mean i cant tell if the game looks good or not honestly |
| 22:16.48 | Bounty | its one of those games lol |
| 22:17.02 | Vailreth | i think it looks ok on the low settings i have to use |
| 22:17.04 | Bounty | It looks better than D2 |
| 22:17.09 | Bounty | thats about as far as i can get |
| 22:17.12 | Bounty | But idk |
| 22:17.16 | Mexa|z | Well, they made it very clear from the beginning that they would focus primarily on lower-end customers. |
| 22:17.19 | Bounty | I mean its not HORRID |
| 22:17.29 | Bounty | They need to stop doing that |
| 22:17.38 | Vailreth | why? |
| 22:17.40 | Bounty | Make the game run for low end users |
| 22:17.42 | Bounty | i get that part |
| 22:17.47 | Mexa|z | Doesn't mean I think they could have spiced it up for higher-end. |
| 22:17.49 | Bounty | but dont cut out potential stuff for power users |
| 22:18.00 | Bounty | i think thats a big mistake |
| 22:18.05 | Vailreth | ah true |
| 22:18.08 | Bounty | not that they lose money for it |
| 22:18.10 | Bounty | it just sucks |
| 22:18.23 | Bounty | im not a power user but i know i can run demanding games maxed |
| 22:18.33 | Bounty | my PC is like 2-3 years old |
| 22:18.41 | Bounty | runs SC2 maxed, D3 Maxed |
| 22:18.42 | Vailreth | not me |
| 22:18.47 | Mexa|z | Visually, I'm more stunned over their cinematics department, and the concept art, more than the visuals in the game. |
| 22:18.48 | Bounty | How old is yours Vail? |
| 22:19.02 | Vailreth | 4 years old.. |
| 22:19.12 | Bounty | thats only like 1 more year than mine? |
| 22:19.16 | Mexa|z | (I don't really always bother about graphics, but something must have happend along the way, or maybe that's the best they can do) |
| 22:19.17 | Bounty | I have a fucking E8400 for christ sakes |
| 22:19.22 | Bounty | cmon now |
| 22:19.25 | Bounty | and i can max out games |
| 22:19.29 | Vailreth | i cant |
| 22:19.29 | Bounty | prolly bc of my gfx card though lol |
| 22:19.40 | Bounty | just get a beast gfx card |
| 22:19.43 | Vailreth | i only have a crapy nvidia |
| 22:19.46 | Bounty | like 2-300 |
| 22:19.49 | Bounty | get a 6950 2gb |
| 22:19.51 | Bounty | thats what i use |
| 22:19.56 | Vailreth | i cant |
| 22:19.57 | Bounty | and even though i have an E8400 |
| 22:20.01 | Bounty | it beasts |
| 22:20.02 | Bounty | why? |
| 22:20.11 | Bounty | money? suck some dick dude this is PC gaming |
| 22:20.14 | Vailreth | one i dont think it would if in the case |
| 22:20.16 | Bounty | Gotta do what you gotta do |
| 22:20.35 | Bounty | what? |
| 22:20.39 | Bounty | dont think it would if in the case? |
| 22:20.44 | Bounty | fit? |
| 22:20.56 | Bounty | I have an Antec 900 and it fits |
| 22:21.01 | Bounty | so small lol |
| 22:21.03 | Vailreth | yeah i ahad to replace the psu and its cords take up alot of room |
| 22:21.11 | Bounty | so? |
| 22:21.13 | Bounty | man |
| 22:21.16 | Bounty | i wish i could show u the inside of my PC |
| 22:21.20 | Bounty | so bad |
| 22:21.23 | Bounty | i made that shit fit |
| 22:21.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:21.49 | Bounty | 80% of the inside of my case is cords from the psu |
| 22:22.19 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/CIMG0459.jpg |
| 22:22.47 | Bounty | lol wtf |
| 22:22.53 | Bounty | Is there a PC in there somewherE? |
| 22:22.56 | Bounty | I can't see nething :) |
| 22:23.16 | Bounty | But seriously, i think you could fit a gfx card in there easily |
| 22:23.28 | Mexa|z | http://w3fools.com/ I thought wc3schools was affiliated with w3c. |
| 22:23.31 | Bounty | measure 10 inches and see if it fits, thats usually how long the cards are |
| 22:23.32 | Mexa|z | Apparently not. |
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| 22:25.07 | Vailreth | i will see about a new GFX cards... |
| 22:26.26 | Vailreth | servers seem to be back |
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| 22:27.42 | Bounty | Time to crash the servers again Vailreth |
| 22:27.44 | Bounty | >.< |
| 22:34.49 | Currydevil | they are |
| 22:34.51 | Currydevil | hah. |
| 22:34.59 | Currydevil | anyone know how the banner sigil rewards work? |
| 22:41.59 | Dustin|Work | ? |
| 22:42.17 | Currydevil | nvm i thiink i got it. |
| 22:42.18 | Dustin|Work | Just unlocks a new sigil when you get it probably. |
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| 23:19.08 | Xapti_ | w3schools is sooooooo different from the w3c |
| 23:41.56 | Ahli | oh I'm officially in the beta now lol |
| 23:43.12 | JademusSreg | Coo. |
