| 00:00.19 | Zandose | does anyone have any links for threads on what makes a rpg good? |
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| 00:03.09 | Ahli | I guess replayability. My rpg already made some people addicted because of random items ;D |
| 00:04.54 | Zandose | i was thinking of skipping items. will have to rethink that |
| 00:05.25 | Kenoli | Ohhi |
| 00:06.11 | Kenoli | Apparently I left this connected. |
| 00:16.51 | Kenoli | I'm not rank 1 grandmaster anymore |
| 00:17.01 | Kenoli | sadface |
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| 00:39.14 | Zandose | whats the current best method for creating a WASD system of movement? triggers, data, something else |
| 00:39.16 | Zandose | brb |
| 00:40.23 | Zandose | back |
| 00:40.26 | Kueken | I didn't have any serious issues using triggers |
| 00:41.32 | Kueken | data input theoretically has an edge of about half a game tick regarding input delay |
| 00:41.56 | Kueken | but thats almost unnoticeable compared to the default 250 ms input delay of Bnet |
| 00:42.06 | Zandose | a while back i heard about a few different ways people were doing this. One being with triggers and another being use data and abilities. was wondering which method was the fastest and best for online play |
| 00:42.31 | Zandose | still at 250ms b.net lag? thought that was reduced |
| 00:42.58 | Kueken | no, bnet runs at a default 250 ms input delay for all commands |
| 00:43.05 | Zandose | oh |
| 00:43.15 | Zandose | 1000ms in 1 sec, correct? |
| 00:43.24 | Kueken | however, mouse and keyboard input used to have even more than that |
| 00:43.28 | Kueken | yes |
| 00:43.42 | Zandose | i could probably live with the lag |
| 00:44.10 | Kueken | I tried both data and trigger input |
| 00:44.38 | Kueken | and I have to say, technically, there is a theoretical difference, but you won't notice it, at all |
| 00:45.04 | Zandose | k |
| 00:45.12 | Zandose | ill use trigger then as I know those best |
| 00:45.30 | Kueken | if it doesn't break due to the 250ms standard delay, it certainly won't break because you used trigger over data input |
| 00:46.17 | Zandose | ill just design the whole system/game around the delay. longer decision times, no split second reactions needed, etc. |
| 00:46.25 | Kueken | just make sure to instantly order the unit on mouse input at least once, don't wait for the input loop to catch up, as thas would result in additional delay |
| 00:46.42 | Kueken | *that |
| 00:47.24 | Zandose | i dont understand |
| 00:48.09 | Kueken | well, for a wasd, you want a loop to periodically issue move orders probably |
| 00:48.11 | Ahli | lol, kueken. that's exactly what I do to cover the lag ;D |
| 00:48.20 | Ahli | add delay due to animation :D |
| 00:48.42 | Kueken | and you want triggers to register the key presses |
| 00:49.25 | Kueken | also you set variables on key press and let the loop handle the orders based on the variables |
| 00:50.18 | Zandose | ah, i think i know where your going. instead of the player pressing W W W again and again to trigger the movement I would... One event for pressing W down, another for W up, and move the unit using a loop without keyboard input. |
| 00:50.25 | Ahli | make sure you start the loop based on the first keypress and end the loop when the player stops pressing it |
| 00:50.38 | Ahli | so your system has the best possible reaction time |
| 00:50.39 | Kenoli | The latency is 125ms |
| 00:50.54 | Kueken | yes, right |
| 00:50.59 | Zandose | k |
| 00:51.01 | Kueken | its 250 ms default ping |
| 00:51.09 | Kueken | so the input delay is half of that |
| 00:51.36 | Zandose | that was the basic premise i was going to go with before. just didnt understand what you were saying |
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| 00:58.09 | Ahli | 1.5 editor spams with warnings, but it spams faster than before. :) |
| 00:58.38 | Kenoli | The beta editor spammed errors too |
| 00:58.53 | Zandose | is there no event to detect when a unit enters a region? I cannot set the region to a variable |
| 00:58.55 | Kenoli | Missing this, missing that |
| 00:59.18 | Ahli | unit enters region -> Condition: triggering region == yourregion |
| 00:59.23 | Ahli | voila |
| 00:59.48 | Kenoli | You know they did a pretty interesting thing with the built in latency |
| 01:00.36 | Kenoli | All the unit acknowledgement sounds have a bit of silence in front of them so they sync up with the actual movement |
| 01:00.39 | Zandose | Ahli, I can only use pre-placed regions. I want to use a variable region |
| 01:00.51 | Ahli | then compare with a variable |
| 01:00.55 | Ahli | :X |
| 01:01.12 | Zandose | and theres no option for Any region so I can check which region in the actions part |
| 01:02.01 | Ahli | hmm |
| 01:02.13 | Zandose | might have found my answer. brb |
| 01:03.33 | Ahli | validating trigger data: 700 seconds already because of the warnings :S |
| 01:03.56 | Ahli | without warnings it should be done in approx 500 seconds |
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| 01:06.00 | Kenoli | That seems like a long time |
| 01:06.20 | Zandose | guess you cant create regions on the fly |
| 01:06.31 | JademusSreg | Of course you can. |
| 01:06.36 | Ahli | I wanted to check if it was made faster somehow |
| 01:06.55 | Ahli | but with warnings I can't test. anyway I wnated to convert it to a 1.5 map before benchmarking :D |
| 01:07.04 | Ahli | 910 seconds |
| 01:07.46 | Ahli | I wonder if I freeze the editor for 15 minutes again, if I copy a chunk of functions... |
| 01:08.29 | Zandose | by triggers, I tried to make a region, save to a variable, and have a event detect when a unit enters/leaves the region. nothing. |
| 01:09.04 | JademusSreg | Because you misunderstand the sequence. |
| 01:09.29 | JademusSreg | I expect you are setting the region variable from a trigger with the map init event. |
| 01:09.52 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.04 | JademusSreg | But consider that if that trigger is already running, then the event for the trigger you want to use that variable has already been called. |
| 01:11.18 | JademusSreg | For GUI, it works like this: Variable definition initialization, event registration, map initialization event and the whole shebang. |
| 01:11.38 | Zandose | i see |
| 01:11.54 | Zandose | but I want to create regions after the game has started |
| 01:12.10 | JademusSreg | A variable initialized -from the definition of that variable- will occur before trigger events are registered. |
| 01:12.26 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but the catch here is trigger events, not regions. |
| 01:12.59 | Zandose | yep. events cant register new regions i think |
| 01:13.20 | Ahli | validating triggers for 1200 seconds o0 |
| 01:13.36 | Ahli | 1300 actually |
| 01:13.45 | JademusSreg | Well, you could, if you don't mind dynamically registering events on triggers. |
| 01:14.05 | JademusSreg | Assuming GUI lets you do that. |
| 01:14.15 | A1win | don't think it does |
| 01:14.29 | Zandose | doesnt as far as I can see |
| 01:14.55 | Ahli | maybe with custom script :) |
| 01:15.13 | Zandose | is there a downside to dynamically registering events? |
| 01:16.20 | Kenoli | I didn't know you could dynamically register events |
| 01:16.25 | Kenoli | That's probably useful for something. |
| 01:16.39 | Ahli | you learn something that maybe less than 80 people on earth know how to do in sc2. |
| 01:17.08 | Ahli | 1500 seconds |
| 01:17.38 | Kenoli | You're going to break the poor thing |
| 01:17.59 | Ahli | I should handle it like the old editor and end the task and open the map again |
| 01:18.06 | Ahli | half of the time it fixes it |
| 01:18.27 | Ahli | killed process |
| 01:18.48 | Zandose | how do you dynamically register events and whats the downside or problems with this method? |
| 01:19.29 | Ahli | ok let's see how long it takes now |
| 01:19.39 | Ahli | loading with only trigger module opened |
| 01:19.47 | Ahli | no error spam atm :) |
| 01:20.11 | JademusSreg | Easy to do in galaxy, and I've not seen any studies done for triggers with lots of events. |
| 01:20.27 | Zandose | im thinking about creating a bunch of pre-made regions, making one event to register all regions, then somehow directing the event firing to the proper trigger/actions |
| 01:20.30 | JademusSreg | You just call the event registration function, tada. |
| 01:20.42 | Zandose | oh |
| 01:20.57 | Zandose | any function to delete events? |
| 01:21.08 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 01:21.26 | Zandose | hmm |
| 01:21.56 | Zandose | ok, hook me up G. |
| 01:22.30 | JademusSreg | TriggerAddEventUnitRegion (trigger t, unitref u, region r, bool state); |
| 01:25.09 | Ahli | it throws errors again, but I think it started where it stopped last time |
| 01:25.31 | Ahli | so I guess I can open my map within the next 15 minuets |
| 01:25.42 | Zandose | think i might have found another way that works for me |
| 01:26.13 | Zandose | for the unit entering region event I can use custom script and the variables name |
| 01:27.13 | Zandose | only problem is i'd need to enter all the regions at start... hmm |
| 01:27.39 | Zandose | eh, ill work on it later. bye |
| 01:29.42 | Ahli | the number reached 1 billion now :) |
| 01:44.33 | Ahli | oh the number is trillion, my fault... 2.3 trillion atm |
| 01:50.02 | Kueken | script limit was raised :D |
| 01:50.15 | Kueken | DarkRevenant might appreciate that |
| 01:50.22 | Ahli | he already did |
| 01:56.38 | Kueken | :/ |
| 01:56.46 | Kueken | everyone is ahead of me |
| 01:57.20 | Ahli | kueken, are you invited? |
| 01:57.31 | Kueken | no |
| 01:57.36 | Ahli | or are you an illegal user like me ;D |
| 01:57.42 | Kueken | but someone told me you dont need an invite anymore? |
| 01:57.56 | Kueken | no user at all atm |
| 01:58.07 | Ahli | you can just log in with your sc2 account |
| 02:02.19 | Ahli | I'm loading my map for more than one hour now :S |
| 02:02.30 | Ahli | 3.3 trillion :S |
| 02:02.33 | Kenoli | You so crazy |
| 02:02.43 | Ahli | map editor so crazy |
| 02:02.56 | Ahli | but if it ran through once it works again |
| 02:03.20 | Kenoli | Have any of you sent arcade feedback |
| 02:13.34 | Ahli | 3.8 trillion ;S |
| 02:14.15 | Ahli | I kill process after 3300 seconds again |
| 02:15.38 | Dustin | WTB Dialog Camera Views ingame |
| 02:15.45 | Dustin | Show an ingame camera in a dialog |
| 02:22.14 | Mexa| | Really? |
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| 02:22.56 | Ahli | ok, now map laoded without trigger errors within 400 seconds which is an improvement over 1.4.2 |
| 02:23.34 | Mexa|z | Success. My audio buffering works! |
| 02:23.36 | Vailreth | man id love to try out 1,5 |
| 02:25.12 | Ahli | it's loading my custom loading bar after 70% of loading |
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| 02:26.54 | Ahli | warnings, etc are directly written in a window ingame |
| 02:27.21 | Vailreth | wait its loading a custom loading bar i want NAO |
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| 02:28.43 | Ahli | not immedialty, but it does |
| 02:29.02 | Ahli | I need to move/hide unit info frame again :S |
| 02:29.28 | Vailreth | gimme i want |
| 02:30.22 | Kenoli | I wonder if I should work on my maps instead of sending feedback into the void |
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| 03:36.49 | Zandose | hi |
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| 03:40.54 | Bounty | woohoo i got a approved for a new credit card |
| 03:40.58 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:41.15 | Zandose | dont they hand those out to anyone? |
| 03:41.25 | Bounty | not really |
| 03:41.46 | Bounty | no interest for 18 months, 1,000 credit limit and no annual fee |
| 03:42.00 | Bounty | time to chop up the old one lol |
| 03:42.15 | Zandose | hmm |
| 03:42.39 | Bounty | only about 150 more credit score till im at 900 (Perfect Score) |
| 03:42.41 | Zandose | i think mines monthly interest if i dont pay, 10000, no fee |
| 03:43.06 | Bounty | um, 10,000? |
| 03:43.14 | Bounty | Thats a silly amount lol |
| 03:43.21 | Bounty | whats your credit score? |
| 03:43.23 | Zandose | perhaps im thinking of the wrong thing |
| 03:43.27 | Zandose | idk |
| 03:43.48 | Zandose | when you said credit card what type did you mean? |
| 03:43.54 | Bounty | um |
| 03:43.59 | Bounty | credit card |
| 03:44.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:44.07 | Zandose | visa? |
| 03:44.10 | Bounty | oh |
| 03:44.13 | Bounty | nah, Master Card |
| 03:44.17 | Zandose | oh |
| 03:44.22 | Zandose | dont have one of those |
| 03:44.37 | Bounty | my last card was mastercard but it has high interest |
| 03:44.46 | Zandose | my visa has a limit of 10000 |
| 03:44.48 | Bounty | so, time to close that account lol |
| 03:44.52 | Bounty | thats crazy |
| 03:45.00 | Bounty | I would never want a limit that high, just incase i went crazy |
| 03:45.11 | Zandose | interesting point |
| 03:45.29 | Zandose | got another 7500 line of credit |
| 03:45.47 | Bounty | lol how the hell do you have these high roller accounts and not know your credit score |
| 03:45.57 | Zandose | never asked |
| 03:46.12 | Zandose | never spent more then i have |
| 03:46.19 | Zandose | perfect score? |
| 03:46.38 | Zandose | different country perhaps? |
| 03:46.43 | Bounty | I'm US |
| 03:46.44 | Zandose | im from canada |
| 03:47.10 | Zandose | i can imagine its harder in the US to get a credit |
| 03:47.27 | Bounty | well i went from 500 to 734 in about a year or two |
| 03:47.56 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 03:47.57 | Zandose | to bed i cant afford to get a car. insurance is too high |
| 03:48.04 | Zandose | bad* |
| 03:48.12 | Bounty | We only pay $98 a month |
| 03:48.15 | Bounty | full coverage |
| 03:48.18 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:48.27 | Zandose | at least $320 for me |
| 03:48.34 | Bounty | well we cheated though |
| 03:48.38 | Bounty | We have USAA |
| 03:48.41 | Zandose | please do tell |
| 03:48.46 | Bounty | Military Insurance |
| 03:48.54 | Zandose | oh |
| 03:49.03 | Zandose | i dint think i want ti sign up for that :) |
| 03:49.16 | Bounty | we have it bc the wifes mother is a vet |
| 03:49.23 | Zandose | nice |
| 03:49.24 | Bounty | Myself nor the wife have never served |
| 03:49.30 | Bounty | Its one of those things that gets passed down |
| 03:49.39 | Bounty | So like i said, we cheated/got lucky lol |
| 03:49.52 | Bounty | I dont blame you though, i wouldnt have a car if we didnt have that insurance |
| 03:50.05 | Zandose | well i do have a car... |
| 03:50.23 | Kenoli | I got a usaa account the hard way |
| 03:50.34 | Zandose | my dad can't drive, so me and my sis share the car under my dad insurance |
| 03:50.35 | Bounty | word |
| 03:53.26 | Vailreth | we only have liability |
| 03:53.49 | Bounty | We would only have liability if we didnt have USAA lol |
| 03:54.13 | Vailreth | nod |
| 03:54.46 | Vailreth | i was laying in bed trying to sleep when all of a sudden my screens came back to life after having been off for 30 minutes |
| 03:55.08 | Bounty | orly |
| 03:55.20 | Zandose | uh, did i do that with my hi before? |
| 03:55.21 | Vailreth | yes |
| 03:55.48 | Zandose | oops |
| 03:55.52 | Vailreth | no not your hi |
| 03:56.00 | Vailreth | i was saying yes to bounty |
| 03:56.14 | Zandose | oh good |
| 03:56.42 | Zandose | err! theres no condition for triggering region? |
| 03:56.57 | Bounty | yes there is |
| 03:57.13 | Zandose | nm |
| 03:57.14 | Zandose | hmm |
| 03:57.43 | Vailreth | well hopefully the 1.5 beta is made public soon |
| 03:58.29 | Zandose | for some reason i had to do Quests[0].RegionA == (Triggering region) instead of (Triggering region) == Quests[0].RegionA |
| 03:58.49 | Zandose | regions are annoying |
| 03:59.03 | Zandose | nothing but trouble all day with them |
| 04:00.13 | Kenoli | Anyone can play the 1.5 beta already |
| 04:00.32 | Vailreth | how so> |
| 04:01.08 | Kenoli | http://us.media.battle.net.edgesuite.net/downloads/sc2-beta-installers/build1-96937bdf/StarCraft-II-Beta-enUS-Setup.exe |
| 04:01.10 | Zandose | you cannot create regions by trigger on the fly and have them register with events |
| 04:01.32 | Zandose | had to use a work-around |
| 04:04.59 | Zandose | i just spent hours doing something which should have been easy |
| 04:05.18 | Vailreth | thats this editor for you |
| 04:05.24 | Zandose | yep |
| 04:05.53 | Vailreth | still one of the better ones out there though |
| 04:06.03 | Zandose | the whole idea of my current map was to avoid this kind of stuff and use simple systems that get the job done fast |
| 04:06.12 | Kenoli | There's your problem. |
| 04:06.31 | Zandose | how so? |
| 04:08.18 | Kenoli | You should always assume that the editor will turn your map into a giant nonsense clusterfuck |
| 04:08.27 | Vailreth | very true |
| 04:08.46 | Zandose | been there, done that |
| 04:09.01 | Zandose | my last map taught me that already |
| 04:09.48 | Zandose | im trying a different approach this time as last time i spent way way too much time making it nice and clean |
| 04:09.53 | Currydevil | Sometimes, later on you get to clean it up a bit when you add something else |
| 04:10.06 | Currydevil | and then realize you don't need a bunch of earlier crap since you added something new. |
| 04:10.22 | Zandose | im approach is: prototype fast, fix, move on. clean up when it gets done |
| 04:11.21 | Vailreth | i am going to be so glad when i can look at Kerrigen instead of raynors ugly mug |
| 04:11.37 | Zandose | lol |
| 04:12.11 | Kenoli | Ah, giant faces. |
| 04:21.19 | Vailreth | i really do not know why but a few months back i created a roach that can jump cliffs like a reaper |
| 04:21.38 | Vailreth | the art isnt perfect but maybe i can fix that soon |
| 04:23.28 | Vailreth | any one know of any new abilities or anything present in the new beta? |
| 04:24.39 | Kenoli | I don't know of any new abilities |
| 04:25.07 | Kenoli | Not that I looked or anything |
| 04:26.07 | Vailreth | when i get i achance i will go digging |
| 04:40.24 | Kenoli | Lol |
| 04:40.41 | Kenoli | The arcade cateogry |
| 04:40.46 | Kenoli | Fast Action RTS |
| 04:40.55 | Kenoli | FARTS. |
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| 04:57.30 | Vailreth | hah |
| 04:58.38 | Kueken | there is literally a category named like that? o_0 |
| 04:59.12 | JademusSreg | Could be a joke. |
| 05:03.58 | Vailreth | ooo could you change what vital was shared by conjoined before or is that new to this patch |
| 05:04.07 | JademusSreg | New. |
| 05:04.16 | Vailreth | i thought so. |
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| 05:07.42 | Kueken | so you can connect unit's energy consumption? |
| 05:07.49 | Kueken | might prove useful |
| 05:07.58 | Vailreth | and shields |
| 05:08.25 | Kueken | yeah, that was totally stupid to not include before anyway ;) |
| 05:08.38 | Vindicato | So is there any way to modify the XML for the existing UI or do we have to modify it by making our own layout files and refer to existing stuff in the blizz files? |
| 05:09.20 | Kueken | if it exists, you could try to extract the ui files from the mpq |
| 05:09.31 | Kueken | not sure if it works that way, though |
| 05:09.38 | Vindicator | well i thought the purpose of the UI editor was to eliminate the need for that |
| 05:09.56 | Kueken | well, didn't try that one yet |
| 05:11.00 | Vindicator | and btw did they really have to do this so soon before diablo 3 x.x i'm like dying here |
| 05:11.47 | Kenoli | I'm going to abandon this beta the instant d3 is playable |
| 05:12.10 | Kenoli | Especially since I can't actually publish anything |
| 05:12.52 | Vailreth | meh not interested in d3 |
| 05:23.54 | Vindicator | why can't you publish anything? |
| 05:27.59 | Kenoli | Editor won't let me log in |
| 05:31.11 | Vindicator | oh |
| 05:31.46 | Vindicator | did a friend send you the editor or were you able to download it just the same as the people who got in? |
| 05:32.24 | Kenoli | I got an invite |
| 05:35.16 | Vindicator | weird... that's odd that you can't login to the editor then |
| 05:36.19 | Vindicator | did your beta editor download ~200MB of updates after you downloaded the beta? mine did automatically, but maybe you need to manually check for updates with ur editor? or put a check next to "check for updates when the editor starts" in prefrences. |
| 05:36.33 | Kenoli | It did |
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| 06:39.40 | Vindicator | There should so be a SC2mapster tourney during the beta to see who the best mapper is at plain old sc2 ;) #1 Grandmaster wins |
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| 07:03.14 | Xapti | what's the qualifications for entering the tourament though? |
| 07:05.44 | Xapti | Has there been any talk of modifying the SC2 editor to allow additional functionality such as edition of game UI XML? |
| 07:06.36 | Xapti | I remember over time the SC1 editor had lots of modifications done to it. I don't know about WC3 didn't follow it |
| 07:07.23 | JademusSreg | 1.5 editor already supports UI XML modding. |
| 07:07.31 | JademusSreg | (And styles.) |
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| 07:35.09 | Demalii | I created a dialog for all players, to change a dialog item for the triggering player of the used item... Can I modify dialog item for all players, or will set for triggering player work? |
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| 07:37.29 | Hookah604 | all players mean each player in the game will have those changes, if you use (playergroup(triggeringplayer) than it will only change for the player who used the dialog item. |
| 07:38.20 | Demalii | Cool Ty |
| 07:40.25 | A1win | any idea if I can modify an actor's sounds with catalog set |
| 07:40.33 | A1win | or a sound's sound file entries |
| 07:41.05 | A1win | tried modifying actor but not sure if I set it up right, says TriggerDebug/ErrorCatalogFieldNotWritten |
| 07:41.37 | A1win | using "SoundArray[3]" as field path |
| 07:50.25 | A1win | bleh, I guess I'll need to make a new unit for every portrait then |
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| 08:16.24 | Xapti | <JademusSreg> 1.5 editor already supports UI XML modding. |
| 08:17.00 | Xapti | you mean editing of the game's UI through the editor VIA xml/text editor? |
| 08:17.38 | Xapti | because that's what I assume Vindicator was talking about, and that's what I was thinking of |
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| 08:40.42 | Hookah604 | A1win As I know, you can only modify things with catalog, which you can also modify with upgrades. |
| 08:41.53 | Hookah604 | Xapti yes, they basically saved us about 5 click. |
| 08:42.34 | Xapti | oh ok. I guess Vindicator wasn't aware of that or something |
| 08:43.51 | Xapti | nonetheless, I'm still curious if/when there'd be features implemented via a modified editor |
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| 10:54.13 | Vindicator | Well, I know you can modify things within the editor by creating new xml, but when I choose an existing blizzard XML UI file in the UI editor, it doesn't allow me to modify the text, it only allows me to create a new layout file. |
| 10:54.49 | Vindicator | A1win: It might be possible, but if so it'll take some guessing and testing to find the correct syntax to do so. |
| 10:55.21 | Vindicator | The more windows you have to go through to modify something in the data editor, the harder it becomes (for me at least) to modify data editor values with a catalog set trigger. |
| 10:55.35 | Ahli | you might need to create layout files that override values of existing frames like before |
| 10:56.48 | Ahli | I've error messages with behaviors that only got a stack count set. It doesn't want the "-1" in period count and throws an error ingame. |
| 10:56.51 | Vindicator | Ya, that's what it looks like Ahli. I'm not a pro at the xml syntax yet so I was hoping there would be a way to simply change existing numerical values etc. without needing to copy/paste the correct syntax into a new file. I'm sure i'll figure it out soon enough, it'll just take some extra time, |
| 10:57.46 | Vindicator | You want something to go on forever with that -1 correct? |
| 10:58.07 | Vindicator | What does the error say? |
| 10:59.16 | Ahli | invalid or unexpected value format |
| 10:59.37 | Ahli | it translates the "-1" to a high number |
| 10:59.48 | Ahli | but that's in raw mode, too. |
| 10:59.59 | Vindicator | the high number is in raw mode? |
| 11:00.03 | Ahli | yes |
| 11:00.12 | Vindicator | type it out for me just in case it rings a bell |
| 11:00.26 | Ahli | I'm stuck in loading triggers atm ;D |
| 11:00.46 | Ahli | Stats: CBehaviorBuff_MaxStackCount65535 |
| 11:00.54 | Vindicator | oh ya, that makes sense |
| 11:00.59 | Ahli | they imrpoved the copy as text :) |
| 11:01.20 | Vindicator | because if -1 is supposed to be forever, it's actually 65535 which is a common number in programming as a max |
| 11:01.24 | Ahli | no that's wrong |
| 11:01.39 | Ahli | FieldaaaHitRecoveryStatsMarker (aaaHitRecoveryStatsMarker) |
| 11:01.40 | Ahli | Stats: CBehaviorBuff_PeriodCount4294967295 |
| 11:01.41 | Ahli | this one |
| 11:01.47 | Vindicator | oh |
| 11:01.54 | Vindicator | haah well that doesn't ring a bell |
| 11:03.08 | Vindicator | unexpected value format makes it sound like negative isn't allowed, in which case you would think it wouldn't let you enter a -1 if that was the case |
| 11:03.37 | Vindicator | did u switch the type of behavior from one kind to another at any point? |
| 11:04.21 | Ahli | no. also it worked fine all the recent patches |
| 11:04.32 | Ahli | and it's the default value for behaviors :S |
| 11:04.33 | Vindicator | gotcha |
| 11:04.51 | Vindicator | ya the new version has definitely implemented some new bugs that weren't there before from having things updated |
| 11:05.05 | Vindicator | like i had a sound stopping halfway through that doesn't get stopped anymore |
| 11:05.34 | Hookah604 | anyone can upload maps with the Beta editor? |
| 11:05.38 | Vindicator | i had modified cameras back and forth mid-game and the latter camera that should be at the default camera position is now zoomed in closely |
| 11:05.42 | Ahli | I wonder if they want a list with bugs we find. |
| 11:05.52 | Vindicator | it doesn't sound like it hookah604 |
| 11:06.03 | Hookah604 | well I cant |
| 11:06.16 | Vindicator | ya ahli, if you got in the beta they sent you an email where you can give them bug reports |
| 11:06.26 | Hookah604 | I need somebody who can and check of what server he connects to |
| 11:06.53 | Vindicator | how long will it take hookah, i need to get to bed soon but i can give it a shot for u |
| 11:07.09 | Ahli | I'm not in the beta :S |
| 11:07.09 | Hookah604 | its here in the regedit: HKEY_USERS/S-1-5-21..../Software/Blizzard En.../Starcraft II Editor/Preferences |
| 11:07.29 | Hookah604 | Vindicator and you can login with editor? |
| 11:07.30 | Vindicator | registry stuff huh, fun lol kk one min |
| 11:07.33 | Vindicator | yes hookah |
| 11:08.18 | Vindicator | i have two -21 folders |
| 11:08.26 | Vindicator | is it the one ending is classes or no? |
| 11:08.50 | Ahli | terrain editor loads the wrong doodad variations. It's loading 1 to high. So you use varation 2 from 0 to 4 and the terrain editor will load 3. Ingame it loads the correct ones again. |
| 11:09.01 | Hookah604 | HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1220945662-1935655697-682003330-1003\Software\Blizzard Entertainment\StarCraft II Editor Beta is mine.... |
| 11:09.12 | Vindicator | hmm kk |
| 11:09.15 | Hookah604 | HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1220945662-1935655697-682003330-1003\Software\Blizzard Entertainment\StarCraft II Editor Beta\Preferences |
| 11:09.31 | Hookah604 | and there you can find: BattleNetHost |
| 11:10.00 | Vindicator | i have battlenet account and character, but no host |
| 11:10.23 | Vindicator | nothing else that starts with "Battlenet" under preferences |
| 11:10.29 | Hookah604 | you sure you are in StarCraft II Editor Beta\Preferences ? |
| 11:10.35 | Vindicator | yes sir |
| 11:10.46 | Hookah604 | hmm |
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| 11:11.02 | Vindicator | i don't have a host in my non-beta one either |
| 11:11.12 | Hookah604 | than it might be left over from the old beta.( |
| 11:13.58 | Ahli | that host thing works in 1.4.2 editor |
| 11:14.08 | Ahli | that's how I change my editor to connect to us realm |
| 11:14.51 | Ahli | you would need to know the hostname of the beta server... |
| 11:14.55 | Hookah604 | Ahli you can do that without us version too? |
| 11:15.11 | Vindicator | oh, the new editor allows you to publish to all regions ---maybe--- because there's a dropdown that allows me to choose any region when i publish.... though it might just be for specific name reservation for your game title, i'm not positive which it is yet |
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| 11:15.42 | Vindicator | like it says "Publish to region" next to the name and next to the dropdown so i don't know which it means for sure yet |
| 11:15.53 | Ahli | you can change where your editor connects with entry "BattleNetHost" containing value "eu.logon.battle.net". |
| 11:15.59 | Hookah604 | Vindicator you sure you were watching beta folder and not the not beta folder? |
| 11:16.11 | Ahli | by default it's not existent |
| 11:16.18 | Ahli | but the value works when added |
| 11:16.31 | Hookah604 | ahh I know than why I cant publish |
| 11:17.15 | Hookah604 | I probably done that back in the beta and it wasnt deleted when I deleted beta.D |
| 11:17.30 | Hookah604 | FUCK |
| 11:17.33 | Hookah604 | I am right:D |
| 11:17.35 | Vindicator | ya, it says to make sure u uninstall the old beta first |
| 11:17.36 | Hookah604 | THX GUYS!!!!!!!! |
| 11:17.40 | Vindicator | hehe |
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| 11:18.36 | Hookah604 | now I can publish my trolling:D |
| 11:18.47 | Vindicator | x,x |
| 11:19.31 | Vindicator | Don't be suprised if there's another editor beta and u don't get so lucky :P |
| 11:19.37 | Hookah604 | :D |
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| 11:20.32 | Hookah604 | This new options at publishing just makes it great to show blizzard how bnet should be look like.D |
| 11:22.02 | Vindicator | oh boy |
| 11:23.17 | Hookah604 | and than people can even review it.D |
| 11:23.25 | Ahli | I changed -1 to 0 and all errors disappeared... |
| 11:23.41 | Ahli | before I had multiple with that |
| 11:23.47 | Ahli | but I only changed one behavior |
| 11:24.18 | Ahli | now I used default value again and the error is gone... |
| 11:24.40 | Ahli | seems like the data wasn't converted to 1.5, yet. |
| 11:26.49 | Vindicator | Well thats good. |
| 11:27.17 | Vindicator | Alright I'm off to bed! Night |
| 11:27.33 | Ahli | or maybe I'm somehow hiding error messages now :S |
| 11:32.21 | Ahli | oh yeah, the trigger debugging window doesn't slow down on every single message anymore |
| 11:32.51 | Ahli | not as much |
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| 11:44.51 | Scorp_ | do anyone know where I can find the model used for placement/pathing grid? |
| 11:55.07 | Ahli | a wild game of thrones episode appeared |
| 12:04.21 | Xaragoth | a wild garfield archive appeared |
| 12:04.29 | Xaragoth | it's super effective |
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| 12:14.22 | Zolden | guys, what missile model has tail which length depends on speed of movement, like faster -> longer? |
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| 12:22.24 | Scorp_ | Zolden, you could try add the high templar trail effect to your missile |
| 12:22.38 | Zolden | let's see |
| 12:24.14 | Zolden | doesn't have a tail |
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| 12:28.14 | Scorp_ | adding the trail effect that the high templar uses, would make a similar effect |
| 12:28.36 | Scorp_ | I'll see if I can find a video of it |
| 12:31.22 | Scorp_ | its not very visible in this video, but it is there |
| 12:31.23 | Scorp_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6DE-4ACugRE |
| 12:31.44 | Scorp_ | it just copies the units actor whenever it moves |
| 12:32.01 | Scorp_ | that would create a tail of missiles if you apply it to a missile |
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| 12:32.47 | Scorp_ | and as the tail is time based, it will become longer at high speed |
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| 12:40.56 | Zolden | found one - mothership missile... but animation speed doesn't affect tail decay ;/ |
| 12:46.57 | Hookah604 | Some Hybrid attack models have nice trails |
| 12:47.01 | Hookah604 | tails* |
| 12:48.07 | Zolden | actually, motherfuck missle fits perfectly |
| 12:48.14 | Zolden | mothership |
| 12:49.58 | Hookah604 | Zolden do you have beta? |
| 12:50.04 | Zolden | nope |
| 12:50.27 | Hookah604 | dam:( |
| 12:51.47 | Zolden | one of hybrid missile would be even better, but its tail is dotted |
| 12:54.16 | Hookah604 | some one knows where was it posted in sc2mapster, where a guy made nice modified screenshots about how should bnet look like? |
| 12:55.33 | Mexa | No, but I remember seeing a video of somthing similar. |
| 12:56.17 | Mexa | This? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dR5loJpE-I |
| 12:57.15 | Hookah604 | no |
| 12:57.25 | Hookah604 | it was pictures |
| 12:57.41 | Mexa | Mkay |
| 12:58.03 | Mexa | That video was for suggestions for the replay and match history interface. |
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| 13:28.33 | Ahli | new layout files are missing the <Desc> statement. |
| 13:36.19 | RipperRoo | :o |
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| 14:00.52 | Ahli | did anyone figure out the new UI editor? so how to change existing UI with it? |
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| 14:16.08 | Hookah604 | I uploaded Debate Arcade System "map" in beta:D |
| 14:16.38 | Hookah604 | this gona be fun |
| 14:17.41 | Ahli | :D |
| 14:18.00 | Ahli | goa, already tried to change the default UI in the editor? |
| 14:18.15 | Hookah604 | no |
| 14:18.23 | Hookah604 | I am not really interested in that |
| 14:18.39 | Hookah604 | since I can make UI-s with notepad |
| 14:19.26 | Ahli | I can do that, too. But I try to use the editor now. But it seems as it is not really functional... and it's buggy. It crashed twice for me now |
| 14:20.09 | Hookah604 | lol |
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| 17:33.31 | Zandose | hi, is there a function to delete regions? |
| 17:35.37 | Zandose | or to resize a region with a function |
| 17:58.08 | A1win | you can create regions with functions, and save them to variables |
| 17:58.34 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 17:58.54 | Zandose | but after you create them you can't destroy or resize them? |
| 17:59.07 | A1win | why'd you need to |
| 17:59.20 | A1win | just create a new one and save it to the same variable (causing the old one to stop existing) |
| 18:00.04 | Zandose | if you reassigned a region variable to a new region wouldn't that cause the old region to still exist, and thus a leak. |
| 18:00.14 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/fRxFPVJp |
| 18:00.16 | A1win | no |
| 18:00.38 | JademusSreg | You bring over your assumptions from wc3 modding; you shouldn't do that. |
| 18:00.43 | Zandose | true |
| 18:01.15 | Zandose | so the game takes care of disposing of unused regions? |
| 18:01.36 | JademusSreg | Garbage collection, yes. |
| 18:01.57 | Zandose | cool. good to know |
| 18:02.16 | A1win | regions aren't similar objects as units for example (except for the preplaced region objects) |
| 18:02.51 | JademusSreg | Other good things to know: http://pastebin.com/kAGSmSLW |
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| 18:03.27 | Zandose | i see. it is a little annoying that events don't take region variables |
| 18:03.39 | JademusSreg | You are mistaken. |
| 18:03.50 | JademusSreg | You simply misunderstance the seqeunce. |
| 18:04.22 | A1win | my copy of diablo 3 didn't arrive in mail today :[[ |
| 18:04.41 | A1win | I guess I'll add more features to my map meanwhile |
| 18:04.55 | JademusSreg | You're not giving the event registration function a variable reference, but a region reference; you can't expect the event registration function to use the value of the variable before it's allocated to the variable. |
| 18:05.07 | Zandose | whatever. all i know is that in GUI there's option to use region variables for region detection events |
| 18:05.30 | Zandose | i guess |
| 18:05.38 | JademusSreg | Yes. You must initialize the variable from the variable definition, not from a trigger. |
| 18:05.51 | JademusSreg | Otherwise you're just passing the event registration a null region. |
| 18:05.58 | Ahli | jade, were you able to use the UI editor to alter the default UI? |
| 18:06.31 | JademusSreg | Ahli, I know of the UI editor. I've not actually bothered to test it, yet, because I'm busy testing other things. =D |
| 18:06.36 | Zandose | if you use a region variable in a region event does the event update itself if you change the variable? |
| 18:06.38 | Ahli | events can't use variables. easy as that. they can only copy their initial value and use that. |
| 18:06.46 | Zandose | ah |
| 18:06.47 | JademusSreg | Zan, no. |
| 18:07.00 | JademusSreg | That's why I said you're not giving it a variable reference. |
| 18:07.10 | Zandose | k. ill use pre-made stack of region variables then |
| 18:07.16 | JademusSreg | This is a fairly common misunderstanding. |
| 18:07.27 | Zandose | regions made before the game starts, and just move the regions as needed |
| 18:07.56 | JademusSreg | You can create the regions from triggers/script and still use them in event registration. |
| 18:08.00 | Ahli | I failed to use the UI editor today. I crashed the editor twice ;D but then I fixed my layout file with the old method... |
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| 18:08.22 | Ahli | I wasn't able to alter default layouts inside the editor |
| 18:08.53 | Deaod | Id like to add that Blizzard consistently forgets about color in their documentation of galaxy |
| 18:09.00 | Deaod | color is a native type |
| 18:09.40 | JademusSreg | Suppose you have an array (I assume this is your case), and you want to initialize its values so you can use it in an event registration. All variable declarations allow you to initialize their values; in the case of arrays in GUI, you make it call a custom action or function. |
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| 18:10.27 | JademusSreg | color is weird type. Like a naked struct, the mooning ass of a struct sticking out of a passing vehicle. |
| 18:11.13 | Zolden | lol |
| 18:11.17 | Deaod | Also, preplaced objects are stored in an XML file. They are not stored in galaxy code. |
| 18:11.35 | ducky | uh oh, my map tells me that it can't create more than 512 sounds :s |
| 18:11.37 | JademusSreg | Deaod, be thankful for that. |
| 18:11.51 | Deaod | im not. |
| 18:11.58 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, the script limit would be hit far more easily. |
| 18:12.02 | Deaod | yes. |
| 18:12.16 | JademusSreg | See this, Deaod? http://pastebin.com/Am0T3sjt |
| 18:12.27 | ducky | which means that I can't run "create sound" action more than 512 times.. it's different from 1.4 .. new things bad! :D |
| 18:12.28 | Deaod | yes |
| 18:12.38 | Deaod | i have already adjusted my grammar |
| 18:12.41 | Deaod | for galaxy |
| 18:12.47 | JademusSreg | Coo. |
| 18:13.14 | JademusSreg | I also found an odd potential bug with funcref arrays. |
| 18:13.22 | Deaod | typedef int[4][4] matrix_4x4; |
| 18:13.28 | Deaod | thats a valid statement btw. |
| 18:13.31 | ducky | guys, it there a data way of making specefied player hear sound? |
| 18:13.34 | JademusSreg | Oh sweet. |
| 18:13.47 | JademusSreg | Silly me, I never tried that. |
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| 18:14.04 | A1win | ducky, sound actors have player filter |
| 18:14.08 | Deaod | heh, i found that out yesterday |
| 18:14.33 | JademusSreg | Anyway, http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/third-party-tools/19619-galaxy-editor/?page=25#p484 |
| 18:14.39 | Ahli | do you have 512 sounds at once, ducky? they should destroy themselves after playing |
| 18:15.02 | Deaod | so we have the first bug report |
| 18:15.07 | ducky | nope, they play randomly |
| 18:15.21 | ducky | it's for my bomberman map, they play when player plants bomb |
| 18:15.33 | JademusSreg | There are a number of bugs, but this one is pretty silly. |
| 18:15.52 | ducky | It makes me feel that sounds don't destroy themselves anymore |
| 18:16.13 | JademusSreg | Sounds don't destroy themselves. |
| 18:16.44 | ducky | jade, what you know about sounds? |
| 18:16.56 | A1win | hmm, should we be destroying them manually? |
| 18:16.58 | JademusSreg | Or rather, more accurately, sound type doesn't get automatically dereferenced. |
| 18:17.01 | ducky | any way for me to keep using triggers? |
| 18:17.58 | ducky | and I don't see any action to destroy/dereference them too :( |
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| 18:18.37 | JademusSreg | The API for handling sounds is pretty limited; are you perhaps refering to soundlink type instead? |
| 18:19.14 | ducky | hm, I'll check it now |
| 18:20.19 | Deaod | http://deaod.de/GalaxyTypes.txt |
| 18:20.25 | JademusSreg | It's entirely likely that while the sound type is not automatically dereferenced, it is auto-destroying. |
| 18:21.01 | JademusSreg | I would expect this given that the sound type is documented as neither a collected type nor does it have a destroy native. |
| 18:21.14 | JademusSreg | Nice, Deaod. |
| 18:21.21 | ducky | yes, I'm using soundlink |
| 18:21.25 | JademusSreg | Gonna add the reference types to it? |
| 18:21.33 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 18:21.41 | ducky | Sound - Play soundlink for player |
| 18:21.41 | Deaod | oh, i should probably add those, yeah... |
| 18:22.18 | JademusSreg | ducky, are you storing them somewhere? Or playing a large volume in a short period? |
| 18:23.03 | ducky | not storing, just playing them once many times in random intervals |
| 18:24.12 | ducky | I just assumed that they destroy themselves after they finish playing |
| 18:24.30 | ducky | since there is no "destroy sound" action or anything like that |
| 18:24.55 | ducky | but with 1.5 it seems that they stay.. and I got no idea how to remove them |
| 18:40.41 | Bibendus | OMFG finally... |
| 18:40.46 | Bibendus | I m crying |
| 18:41.42 | ducky | now this is just weird, created a fresh map and spammed 1000 sounds (loop with 0 sec wait) and it worked without any errors. Yay for being even more confused |
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| 18:45.52 | ducky | oooooh, I see. It doesn't "destroy" itself if it's played for non-human player |
| 18:47.59 | Ahli | but it will destroy if done for all players? |
| 18:50.43 | ducky | yeah |
| 18:52.22 | ducky | ahli, did you get into beta? |
| 18:52.26 | Scorp_ | do anyone know where I can find the model used for the placement and pathing grids? |
| 18:53.01 | Zandose | still looking for that.... |
| 18:53.38 | Scorp_ | yea :/ |
| 18:53.53 | Scorp_ | havent really have had the time to look for it until now though |
| 18:57.15 | Ahli | nope ;D |
| 18:57.28 | Ahli | not officially... I only installed and logged in |
| 18:58.31 | Scorp_ | is that possible without an invite? |
| 18:58.48 | ducky | It's just because some guy told that me that he came in without invite too |
| 18:59.22 | ducky | and then I checked out front page announcement where sixen wrote that they're planning to announce this as "open beta" |
| 19:00.26 | ducky | It seems that they didn't bother to restrict access, so everyone can go and check it out for themselves =D |
| 19:02.46 | Scorp_ | sounds cool |
| 19:02.47 | Scorp_ | all I need is a download link |
| 19:05.42 | ducky | can you find one or should I give one to you right now? |
| 19:07.17 | Scorp_ | that would be sweet |
| 19:07.23 | Scorp_ | not sure where to find one |
| 19:07.43 | ducky | pc or mac? :D |
| 19:07.56 | Scorp_ | pc |
| 19:07.58 | ducky | http://us.media.battle.net.edgesuite.net/downloads/sc2-beta-installers/build1-96937bdf/StarCraft-II-Beta-enUS-Setup.exe |
| 19:08.10 | Scorp_ | great, thanks |
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| 19:08.19 | ducky | np, have fun |
| 19:08.29 | Scorp_ | did you get an invite btw? |
| 19:08.39 | Scorp_ | you do have a somewhat played map |
| 19:09.21 | ducky | yeah, I had an invite |
| 19:09.39 | ducky | there was even a guy with 0 popularity map =D |
| 19:09.54 | Scorp_ | lol |
| 19:10.10 | ducky | so it's 100% that they didn't send out invites based on popularity alone |
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| 19:22.12 | Scorp_ | do anyone know how to make a spoiler like this? I've been wondering that for a long time, and zelda won't tell :( http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/36599-diablo-3-is-downloading-sry-had-to-get-that-out/?page=3#p59 |
| 19:24.33 | JademusSreg | About what? |
| 19:26.35 | Scorp_ | ? |
| 19:27.24 | ducky | tried using search? |
| 19:27.54 | Scorp_ | yea I did |
| 19:27.55 | ducky | I remember seeing thread on mapster where someone explained how to create such spoilers |
| 19:29.53 | Scorp_ | found it |
| 19:30.06 | Scorp_ | thanks again |
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| 19:31.59 | Scorp_ | only problem is that it used Safe HTML which is not an option anymore |
| 19:32.13 | ducky | :s |
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| 19:58.06 | Vindicator | HECK YA! If you go to file-preferences-test document: you can set the editor to not minimize windows automatically when testing WOOO HOOOOOO i've hated this for YEARS |
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| 20:05.26 | Vailreth | any one recall The Fifth Element Movie |
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| 20:06.04 | nicoli_s | i do\ |
| 20:06.29 | Vailreth | i am trying to create three atributes for a hero based on Korben Dallas |
| 20:06.50 | Vailreth | i already have Weapons Skill and Negotiations |
| 20:10.24 | Kueken | h |
| 20:10.25 | Kueken | m |
| 20:10.28 | Kueken | hygiene? |
| 20:10.33 | Kueken | the lower the better? |
| 20:11.19 | Vailreth | hah |
| 20:11.39 | Kueken | or block babbling |
| 20:11.57 | Kueken | driving skills? |
| 20:12.25 | Vailreth | how abot Reflexes |
| 20:12.33 | JademusSreg | Grizzliness. |
| 20:12.38 | Kueken | criminal act meter |
| 20:12.54 | Vailreth | oh that would be fun |
| 20:12.57 | Kueken | danger magnet |
| 20:14.39 | Vailreth | i wonder if there is a way to use a behavuor to increase a units piroity of being attacked |
| 20:19.39 | Kueken | not a native one |
| 20:20.01 | Kueken | there might be workarounds |
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| 20:33.26 | Vindicator | Would a trigger suffice vailreth? |
| 20:34.17 | Vailreth | i would perfer not to use one if i can |
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| 21:38.05 | Bounty | Woot, i got my first rage post on the Photon Discs thread >.< |
| 21:38.09 | Bounty | Also... Hay Guyz |
| 21:40.50 | Kenoli | ohhi |
| 21:40.58 | Ahli | where? ;D |
| 21:41.04 | Kenoli | What did they rage about |
| 21:41.48 | Bounty | the new sprint |
| 21:42.10 | Bounty | It got 100% approval rating from every single player before i made it live |
| 21:42.51 | Bounty | If people had actually you know... played the map then i wouldnt have made such a huge change lol |
| 21:42.59 | Bounty | I figured something was wrong with the map so i made an improvement |
| 21:43.30 | Ahli | did you revert the sprint again to the way you mentioned yesterday? |
| 21:43.42 | Bounty | no |
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| 21:44.36 | Bounty | There is NOTHING wrong with the new sprint at all |
| 21:44.56 | Ahli | cant sprint sideways and shot at target at the same time |
| 21:45.02 | Bounty | so? |
| 21:45.12 | Bounty | you leave a trail behind you that kills people and discs |
| 21:45.20 | Bounty | for some reason people dont understand how much of a improvement that is |
| 21:45.24 | Bounty | ESPECIALLY in team games |
| 21:45.35 | Ahli | my use case is 3v3 max ;D |
| 21:45.37 | Bounty | Its basically an offensive weapon and a defensive protection |
| 21:45.47 | Tealmeld | could someone assist me with some data editor stuff. I'm trying to make a missile that's following a target to collide with other stuff, but I can't seem to get it to search for things. |
| 21:46.01 | Bounty | The way it see it is, nobody played before the change |
| 21:46.05 | Bounty | Now people play a game and get pissed |
| 21:46.11 | Bounty | So... its lose/lose |
| 21:46.14 | Bounty | lol |
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| 21:59.48 | Zandose_ | when you have a trigger event fire what comes first, the conditions or local variables? i want to set the local variable to make a function call but I don't want to waste a function call if the conditions are not met. |
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| 22:01.02 | Ahli | bounty, I hate that the camera can go into the blue models, but I guess it's not possible to avoid that :S |
| 22:01.15 | Ahli | or to blend them out if that happens |
| 22:01.23 | Bounty | You mean the walls? |
| 22:01.59 | Ahli | yes |
| 22:02.16 | Bounty | Ah, i could fix that |
| 22:02.25 | Ahli | really? |
| 22:02.27 | Ahli | cool |
| 22:02.30 | Bounty | if i get to it lol im prolly going to buy D3 2morrow |
| 22:02.42 | Ahli | I bought it 30 minutes ago |
| 22:02.54 | Bounty | I'm doing trade in at Gamestop |
| 22:03.07 | Bounty | Plus its not going to be playable until 3am in my area |
| 22:03.13 | Bounty | so no point getting it today/2night |
| 22:03.29 | Ahli | I wonder if it's playable right now here |
| 22:04.23 | Bounty | asians are playing it |
| 22:04.25 | Bounty | thats about it |
| 22:04.32 | Ahli | EU just started 4 mins ago |
| 22:05.02 | Bounty | Must be nice |
| 22:05.08 | Bounty | ;p; |
| 22:05.22 | Bounty | lol* |
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| 22:07.03 | Ahli | everyone gets errors, lol |
| 22:07.06 | Tealmeld | any data editor gurus here? |
| 22:07.25 | Ahli | just ask the question |
| 22:07.34 | Ahli | people throw their ideas back towards this chat field |
| 22:07.41 | Ahli | if they feel like answering |
| 22:08.53 | flyingspatula | i bot a car, i have no money left to buy d3 |
| 22:09.31 | Bounty | thats why im doing trade ins spatula |
| 22:09.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:09.42 | Bounty | gonna get that shit for free son |
| 22:10.29 | flyingspatula | i got nothin to trade in D: |
| 22:10.40 | Bounty | watching the streams though, the game really does look like WoW with a Diablo camera |
| 22:10.51 | flyingspatula | i played beta |
| 22:10.53 | flyingspatula | it was ok |
| 22:11.06 | Ahli | wow is 3D, D3 is 2.5D |
| 22:11.09 | Bounty | im just gonna grind a wizard to max |
| 22:11.11 | Bounty | farm items |
| 22:11.12 | Bounty | n sell em |
| 22:11.17 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:11.31 | flyingspatula | i found wizard boring |
| 22:11.38 | flyingspatula | kinda found all of them boring |
| 22:11.41 | Bounty | Even if i only make 1 dollar, its still 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x more than i made making maps |
| 22:13.07 | Ahli | I already would have received money from donations if I would have added that possibility somewhere on my project page. |
| 22:13.11 | Ahli | :D |
| 22:13.41 | Bounty | doubt it |
| 22:13.43 | Bounty | no offense |
| 22:13.56 | Bounty | you DESERVE donations but... you wouldnt have received any lol |
| 22:15.05 | Ahli | http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3071/screenshot2012051419240.jpg http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8980/screenshot2012051419250.jpg http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4780/screenshot2012051419260.jpg Is that to dark or ok? |
| 22:16.46 | Bounty | Looks more like Diablo 3 than Diablo 3 |
| 22:16.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:19.00 | Ahli | it's wow with worse (compressed, resized) textures and patch 1.5 lightning. |
| 22:19.36 | Bounty | This is interesting... |
| 22:19.44 | Bounty | Asia has beat Diablo 3 already |
| 22:19.45 | Bounty | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4926864166 |
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| 22:20.10 | Ahli | :D |
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| 22:34.47 | Zandose_ | is 112 region events too much? any performance loss? |
| 22:36.41 | Ahli | what do you plan to do with these? |
| 22:37.15 | Zandose_ | unit entering events |
| 22:37.18 | Zandose_ | ? |
| 22:37.28 | Bounty | Nah it wont cause performance issues |
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| 22:37.40 | Bounty | unless you have like100000000000000000 units and 100000000000000000 regions in a small space |
| 22:37.50 | Zandose_ | k |
| 22:40.27 | JademusSreg | Bounty isn't a technical person, but the essence of his response is right; if events have any overhead, it would probably take a lot of them to notice. |
| 22:41.17 | JademusSreg | I'm not aware of any tests on events, though, so it's an entirely open question. |
| 22:42.55 | Kenoli | Everything has overhead. |
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| 22:44.40 | JademusSreg | Erudite observation there. Unless it can be quantified, one cannot speak meaningfully about it. |
| 22:45.03 | JademusSreg | Sort of like the "anything is possible" platitude; it's a completely useless thing to say. |
| 22:45.40 | Ahli | you can't have that many units |
| 22:46.34 | Ahli | also, you would play with ~0 fps then |
| 22:47.01 | Ahli | 10k units already cost a big amount of FPS |
| 22:47.04 | Dustin | Does D3 goes live at 12 Pacific doesnt it? |
| 22:47.09 | Dustin | God damnit thats 2am |
| 22:47.23 | JademusSreg | That's what the client's message window said. =D |
| 22:47.51 | Dustin | Bahhhh |
| 22:48.03 | Dustin | needs to be 12am Eastern! |
| 22:48.18 | Dustin | Fucking Pacific time, now im gonna be tired at work tomorrow lol |
| 22:48.24 | JademusSreg | Y U INCONVENIENT REALITY |
| 22:49.40 | Ahli | just keep reading rage posts about EU start |
| 22:50.50 | Vindicator | The only triggers I have seen with slowdown are AI pathing related. You can create 100-200 units all at once at the first time it runs, it will have minor lag to load the unit models (if they aren't preloaded) and then thereafter there's literally 0 lag. As far as the number of triggers running at once to create trigger based lag, it's really not necessary to worry about this from my |
| 22:50.50 | Vindicator | experience. Now lag can be created in other ways that seems to be based on triggers, but it's just a limitation of the SC2 engine itself. For example, if the number of units in the game exceeds 1000, there starts to be minor lag, and once you get to around 2000 units it's <10fps no matter the speed of your computer when playing on b.net. The game's engine seemingly wasn't made to accomodate |
| 22:50.50 | Vindicator | even 8 players who make a full population of zerglings (8 players x 400 zerglings = 3200 units) |
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| 22:53.46 | Ahli | http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3071/screenshot2012051419240.jpg http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8980/screenshot2012051419250.jpg http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4780/screenshot2012051419260.jpg Is that to dark or ok? need more opinions |
| 22:54.11 | Kenoli | Seems too dark |
| 22:54.14 | Kenoli | Half the screen is black |
| 22:54.45 | Ahli | left side is undiscovered |
| 22:55.13 | Vindicator | lol |
| 22:56.03 | Vindicator | nice work ;) |
| 22:56.41 | Ahli | I like the red glow of the cathedral... it's just to strong on the character itself... but they only got diffuse texture, so that might be the problem |
| 22:56.58 | Vindicator | it doesn't seem too dark for diablo |
| 22:57.29 | Vindicator | if you're seriously doing this then just have light radius size/strength effect the lighting |
| 22:58.44 | Ahli | I've attached a light to the player. so the area around him is brighter, then there is your vision range (= approx complete room) and then you have the normal fog... |
| 22:59.36 | Mexa | Ahli, the terrain textures is in need to be tiled smaller. |
| 23:00.24 | Mexa | Something about the proportions of how everything is combined together is not right, anyway. |
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| 23:01.26 | delineator | ahh so wonderful to meet this fine community |
| 23:01.35 | Mexa | I could turn the angle a bit too and say that the characters are too small. |
| 23:01.47 | Mexa | Or that the camera seems too close. |
| 23:02.11 | Ahli | first the camera is to far away. now it's to close ;D |
| 23:02.42 | delineator | i mean, help! n00b needs help to copy/paste! |
| 23:03.22 | delineator | and with that i finish jesting for the moment |
| 23:04.12 | delineator | actually SC2 mapping n00b needs help with extreme basic acclimation to Galaxy++ |
| 23:04.32 | delineator | (fortunately he is no programming n00b) |
| 23:04.44 | Ahli | the 1.5 editor displays the wrong variation. :S It's variation 2 and it renders variation 3 o0 |
| 23:05.28 | Ahli | my D3 installer dl counts upwards o0 |
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| 23:06.08 | delineator | if anyone knows g++ decently i would love to talk to you |
| 23:06.26 | Vindicator | you mean syntax of code right? |
| 23:06.32 | Mexa | What's it about? |
| 23:06.39 | JademusSreg | Read ze documentation. |
| 23:07.17 | delineator | no like getting code into a map properly and what elements HAVE to be in my .galaxy++ file |
| 23:07.34 | delineator | i did read ze doc, and get the syntax reasonably well |
| 23:08.10 | JademusSreg | First, you'd want the target map to be saved as a SC2Components format. |
| 23:08.52 | delineator | like at this point im assuming the stuff that can't be missing is InitMap(), InitLibs(), InitTriggers() |
| 23:09.11 | delineator | and of course include triggers/nativelib |
| 23:09.41 | delineator | is there anything else that HAS to be in my g++ file to ensure a meelee map works just like blizz' do? |
| 23:10.09 | JademusSreg | InitMap is the only necessary function, really. |
| 23:10.12 | delineator | ok SC2Components... i've actually NEVER heard of that yet, and have been doing a decent bit of reading for a while |
| 23:10.17 | delineator | ok |
| 23:10.22 | delineator | thanks for that jade |
| 23:10.37 | JademusSreg | I mean fundamentally necessary. |
| 23:10.42 | delineator | right on |
| 23:10.47 | JademusSreg | Those other functions are needed to initialize GUI shit. |
| 23:10.49 | delineator | init trigs of course must be |
| 23:10.55 | delineator | ah ok |
| 23:11.15 | delineator | so i basically want to write everything in g++ if possible |
| 23:11.34 | JademusSreg | Sort of an all or nothing deal, yes. |
| 23:12.16 | delineator | so then if those other funcs are init gui stuff they're not needed in g++? |
| 23:12.39 | delineator | my plan was to copy the map script from a normal blizz map into mine and work from there |
| 23:12.43 | JademusSreg | Right. Unless for some silly reason Beier repurposed them. |
| 23:12.57 | delineator | haha oh Beier... |
| 23:13.21 | Ahli | how long does the D3 installer something untill the DL is complete? |
| 23:13.24 | delineator | good guy actualy |
| 23:13.30 | Ahli | *downloader |
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| 23:15.08 | delineator | then i dont need InitLibs or libNtve_InitLib() either? |
| 23:18.58 | delineator | maybe i should ask what they do although it seems obvious |
| 23:22.32 | delineator | and i take it the +/- buttons to collapse code just totally F up the editing? |
| 23:23.30 | JademusSreg | Well, if you don't intend to use library functions, you don't need those functions. |
| 23:23.47 | JademusSreg | The GUI sense of library, that is. |
| 23:23.53 | JademusSreg | Not the more generic sense. =D |
| 23:24.30 | delineator | ok, now what is the GUI sense of the library? |
| 23:24.32 | delineator | hehe |
| 23:25.26 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 23:26.08 | delineator | i know these Q's may be a little annoying but its just me getting started in the editor, things like including other files, best coding practices for a SC2 map... |
| 23:26.27 | JademusSreg | GUI libraries are imported via the trigger editor; a GUI library is an XML file the editor uses to generate script added to the mapscript. |
| 23:26.40 | delineator | like, i get what a library is |
| 23:26.41 | delineator | ah ah ok |
| 23:27.15 | delineator | so then REALLY only for the purpose of facilitating conversion from GUI to code? |
| 23:27.33 | Kenoli | A craaaaaazy XML file* |
| 23:28.10 | delineator | (the terminology is new to me, cuz im like ok well the GAME itself has GUI elements when you play, i don't want to cut those out) |
| 23:28.45 | JademusSreg | Well, the trigger data and libraries in the trigger editor generate the actual code the map uses, the galaxy script. If you're using g++, you don't need trigger data and libraries and such shit. =D |
| 23:29.11 | delineator | sounds good. |
| 23:29.14 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'll mention a few helpful things. |
| 23:30.32 | delineator | i basically want to have loads and loads of my own events, some custom classes, plenty of bank file saving, some homegrown data structures (if necessary), and comprehensive debugging output and feedback |
| 23:31.15 | JademusSreg | The fundamental time increment is 0.0625 game time seconds. The player-experienced time, real time, is a factor thereof. Faster, the highest game speed setting, uses a factor of 1.4, and the time variants are in increments of 0.2. So normal is 1, slow is 0.8, fast is 1.2. |
| 23:31.47 | delineator | ok cool |
| 23:32.05 | delineator | i saw a youtube vid where some guy slowed it down wayyyy below 'slower' |
| 23:32.37 | delineator | did make me wonder if it were possible to get it up to more than Faster or whatever |
| 23:33.13 | Kenoli | I really wish speed settings didn't exist at all |
| 23:33.21 | JademusSreg | All times will be multiple of 1/16 game time, so if you have a timer set to go off at 0.7, it will probably floor to 0.625. In the case of data, it may be interpolated between ticks. |
| 23:33.44 | JademusSreg | *0.07 and 0.0625 respectively |
| 23:33.44 | delineator | her ewe go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_1U7ar2ha8 |
| 23:34.08 | delineator | ah ok |
| 23:34.13 | delineator | have dealt with ticks before |
| 23:34.14 | JademusSreg | Well, the debug command speed N allow users to change speed on the fly. |
| 23:34.23 | JademusSreg | speed 10, for instance, is crazy. |
| 23:34.25 | delineator | oh ok |
| 23:34.28 | delineator | ahhhhh |
| 23:34.33 | delineator | but that works in-game? |
| 23:34.44 | JademusSreg | It's a hardcoded debug command. |
| 23:35.00 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/general/debug-commands/ |
| 23:35.07 | delineator | cuz like, then wouldnt someone just be like oh i want way more detail in my tick timing so i'll up the game speed to 50 and then make everything move all "slow" to compensate |
| 23:35.27 | JademusSreg | And obviously it will only work in single player. |
| 23:35.37 | JademusSreg | Like when you're testing a map from the editor. |
| 23:35.43 | delineator | yeah i see |
| 23:36.19 | JademusSreg | StarCraft 2 uses fixed point real number representation, rather than float. |
| 23:36.33 | JademusSreg | It's fast, and has pretty terrible decimal precision. |
| 23:36.41 | Kenoli | Funny how those sprite particle things don't fall smoothly |
| 23:36.42 | delineator | thats ok |
| 23:36.47 | delineator | can get around that |
| 23:36.49 | delineator | one |
| 23:37.15 | JademusSreg | It uses 19 bits for whole number representation, 12 bits for fractional representation, and 1 bit for sign. |
| 23:37.30 | delineator | heh |
| 23:37.39 | JademusSreg | So all fractional values will be multiples of 1/4096 |
| 23:37.47 | delineator | oh my |
| 23:37.57 | delineator | ok |
| 23:39.25 | JademusSreg | Patch 1.5 is introducing function and struct references, so I expect G++ will be supporting those soon. |
| 23:39.41 | delineator | cool |
| 23:39.53 | delineator | you were serious about saving map as SC2Components? |
| 23:40.13 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 23:40.36 | JademusSreg | It unwraps the map's files into a directory structure. |
| 23:40.37 | delineator | cuz if theres anything unusual about the g++ code-to-publish pipeline/workflow i would def need to know it |
| 23:40.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tealmeld (~Teal@66.49.255.66) |
| 23:41.12 | delineator | so then the SC2Map file itself is a packed compressed version of SC2Components? |
| 23:41.28 | delineator | assuming MoPaQ |
| 23:41.52 | Ahli | save as sc2component -> save map as folder. else: save map in archive instead of folder |
| 23:41.59 | JademusSreg | Since SC2Components format unwraps the MPQ, so to speak, you can access the files more readily, which is ideal when doing large script projects. |
| 23:42.07 | Ahli | everything the folder includes is contained in the map itself |
| 23:42.08 | JademusSreg | And for g++ for that matter. |
| 23:42.26 | delineator | ok cool |
| 23:43.10 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 23:43.18 | delineator | k thx |
| 23:45.38 | delineator | ima go play a match real quick |
