| 00:00.01 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:00.03 | Taintedwisp | I needed something to do |
| 00:00.09 | Taintedwisp | The last one is from Nov 11 2011 |
| 00:00.48 | Habaneros | Perfect, thanks jademus. |
| 00:01.02 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 00:02.15 | Zandose | ok JademusSreg, give it to me |
| 00:02.23 | Habaneros | How do you mean, make a separate alhpa channel? They already have an alpha channel? |
| 00:03.17 | JademusSreg | Zan, I can pastebin some galaxy script, if you're comfortable with the language. |
| 00:03.36 | JademusSreg | Or if you're a GUI user, I can provide a hand-wavy explanation. |
| 00:03.39 | Zandose | not at all. but I understand a good amount of it. go ahead |
| 00:04.03 | Zandose | ill try crunching through the galaxy first |
| 00:04.24 | A1win | uff removing the black ground from my resources, it's quite ugly after all |
| 00:05.01 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/QHTfqwdR |
| 00:05.13 | Taintedwisp | http://oi49.tinypic.com/27xni9j.jpg |
| 00:05.17 | Taintedwisp | Thats my terrain XD |
| 00:05.22 | JademusSreg | There's an example of how the tactical AI functions use the catalog natives. |
| 00:05.28 | Taintedwisp | I think imma use that picture and add some words for a loading screen |
| 00:05.48 | Zandose | JademusSreg, ty |
| 00:05.54 | Habaneros | Jademus - how do you mean make a separate alhpa channel?l? They already have alpha channels :S |
| 00:06.01 | Zandose | Taintedwisp, is that your random city thing? |
| 00:06.06 | Taintedwisp | nope |
| 00:06.10 | Taintedwisp | thats a Mass unit spawn |
| 00:06.17 | JademusSreg | If they already have them, then you don't need a new one. I assumed you were making one from scratch. |
| 00:06.17 | Zandose | k |
| 00:06.46 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I am making a new load screen old one is WAY different |
| 00:07.20 | JademusSreg | (Loading screens don't need an alpha channel.) |
| 00:07.26 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Untitled-1-3.jpg |
| 00:07.28 | Taintedwisp | Thats the old one |
| 00:09.41 | Habaneros | Okay - I'm opening the btn-command-move.dds file, rotating it 90 degrees CCW. Saving it as DXT3 argb | explicit alpha 8bpp, rotating it again, saving it again. Importing both .dds files to my map, but they appear blank? |
| 00:09.52 | JademusSreg | The composition is unbalanced, and the text doesn't stand out against the background. For text over busy content, I usually put a contrast element beneath it, especially in-game text display. |
| 00:10.24 | Zenoture | oh wow this place gets lively lol |
| 00:10.51 | Currydevil | on a good day. |
| 00:11.18 | Taintedwisp | Well that was the old one :D |
| 00:11.23 | Taintedwisp | The new one should be better |
| 00:11.30 | Habaneros | Any ideas jademus? |
| 00:12.01 | JademusSreg | PAss em to me. |
| 00:12.07 | JademusSreg | Preferably via pastebin. |
| 00:12.17 | JademusSreg | Or hell. |
| 00:12.26 | JademusSreg | I'll do it myself; I've got all the texture extracted. |
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| 00:15.08 | Zandose | JademusSreg, the galaxy code basically gets the number for whatever field you tell it? |
| 00:15.56 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/btn-command-moveleft.dds |
| 00:16.08 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 00:16.37 | JademusSreg | Though it actually returns a string, which you then convert to a value. |
| 00:16.40 | Zenoture | would anyone happen to know where I can find some blank maps with ramps and hills and such? Feeling a bit overwhelmed to make terrain from scratch |
| 00:16.54 | Zandose | i was looking for something more along the lines of... you simple enter a unit-type and and damage amount and it does all the work |
| 00:17.08 | Habaneros | Thanks... Don't understand why it failed for me... to be a complete nuisance... if you have photoshop still open, can you do one more pointing forwards or up? :) |
| 00:17.54 | Taintedwisp | I think I Might also make an opening for my videos lol |
| 00:18.01 | Habaneros | Zandose, don't mean to be harsh - but you don't know much about the editor, and you're embarking on an RPG. |
| 00:18.09 | Habaneros | Take some time to explore the forums, the editor and the wiki |
| 00:18.30 | JademusSreg | And catalogs are about 12 times slower than literals, locals, globals, structs, constants, whatever, so you wouldn't want to use them in a computationally intense part of code. If that were the case, you'd get the value once or, assuming it's prone to change, update it as needed. |
| 00:18.33 | Habaneros | I've been making assets and little test maps since beta, and still don't fully understand everything that the galaxy editor can let me do. |
| 00:18.57 | Zandose | Habaneros, depends. |
| 00:19.18 | Zandose | I personally think im ok with triggers and very simply data. |
| 00:19.34 | JademusSreg | Zeno, open maps and mess around with them if you need to get your land legs. |
| 00:19.38 | Zandose | I'm just thinking of a idea and trying to make it happen for fun |
| 00:19.59 | Zandose | randomally generated rpg type map |
| 00:20.19 | Zandose | i aint going to waste time designed terrain or story lines |
| 00:20.30 | Zandose | designing* |
| 00:20.53 | Habaneros | And I'm just saying your idea far outweighs your capabilities :) but, good luck to you. |
| 00:21.17 | Zandose | thats the point. i want to explore things I havent done before |
| 00:21.31 | Zandose | want to see my map so far? just for fun |
| 00:21.33 | Habaneros | Which was why I recommend the wiki |
| 00:21.54 | Zandose | ah, missed the wiki part |
| 00:22.30 | Habaneros | I have about 100 old test maps, doing everything from beams, forces, crazy abilities, morphs, concepts, systems, dialogue UIs, custom UI layouts etc... and still don't feel ready to create a full on project :) |
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| 00:23.06 | Zandose | my usual method is: think of something I want to do, look in the editor for a bit, search either on sc2mapster or ask here, make and test. |
| 00:24.06 | Zandose | i probably have over 100 testing maps for various things too :) |
| 00:25.04 | Zandose | anyways i understand. |
| 00:25.19 | Zandose | i don't mean to be....uh whats the words im looking for |
| 00:25.38 | Zandose | ah, whatever |
| 00:25.50 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 00:26.26 | Zandose | just ignore me. im a crazy person |
| 00:26.32 | JademusSreg | Will do. |
| 00:26.44 | Zandose | i think i was fighting with Habaneros and wanted to say sorry |
| 00:27.11 | Habaneros | hehe, wasn't fighting. Was just giving advice based on the fact you couldn't find the marines damage effect - then said you are working on an rpg. |
| 00:27.56 | Zandose | I admit I have almost no idea where im going in the data editor |
| 00:28.03 | Zandose | getting there though |
| 00:28.38 | JademusSreg | All I did to modify the button was go to the alpha channel, Ctrl A, edit transform flip horizontal, save. |
| 00:28.38 | Zandose | i was looking in the wrong place. first the unit itself, then the attack ability, then the weapon |
| 00:28.57 | Zandose | wc3 use to be so much simplier |
| 00:29.06 | Currydevil | because it combined everything. |
| 00:29.14 | Habaneros | I wrote this a couple years ago: http://www.staredit.net/starcraft2/Create_a_unit |
| 00:29.23 | Habaneros | it's unfinished, but gives you a bit of a grounding in the data editor |
| 00:30.21 | JademusSreg | The editor seems pretty easy to me. Besides being slow, it's pretty great. |
| 00:30.37 | Zandose | i can probably already do that without reading it |
| 00:30.46 | Zandose | whats slow? |
| 00:30.56 | JademusSreg | The editor. |
| 00:31.20 | JademusSreg | Glad I'm not a GUI trigger user, or it would be unbearable. |
| 00:31.25 | Zandose | any part of it? Its never been that slow for me unless you messed up |
| 00:31.50 | Zandose | I'm a GUI'er, what you have against us? |
| 00:32.12 | JademusSreg | I have nothing against GUI users; that would be silly. |
| 00:32.59 | Habaneros | I just wish... that every time I edit a field it didn't have to refresh the entire catalog each time. |
| 00:33.31 | Habaneros | Or that setting a file for an asset would open the browser a bit quicker for icons/models etc |
| 00:33.55 | Zandose | i did notice that large adding a large amount of things to the data editor will slow it down |
| 00:34.51 | Habaneros | And.. with the HotS addition and LotV still to come... I have a feeling things are just going to get clunked onto the already burdened editor and slow it down further. |
| 00:34.58 | JademusSreg | GUI libraries are especially slow, but GUI triggers are slow in general. The clicking and working around the dreadful GUI abstractions is a pain, but the added lag one encounters when dealing with a mass of GUI in either triggers or libraries makes it torturous. |
| 00:35.22 | Habaneros | Not really much point for a 3rd party editor until all 3 expansions are on the table |
| 00:35.31 | Zandose | divide and conquer. i split everything up |
| 00:35.34 | Currydevil | and yet we survive Jade =P |
| 00:35.39 | JademusSreg | I am skeptical any third party editor would be an improvement. |
| 00:36.09 | Habaneros | given time, it will be an improvement. But, that's if there are any map-makers left in a year or so... |
| 00:36.22 | Currydevil | there will be |
| 00:36.37 | JademusSreg | Curry, I speak from personal experience; I don't give a shit what anyone else does. It's just faster for me to write, copy-paste, and use regex to code than it is to click and scroll through GUI. |
| 00:36.45 | Mexa | Jademus, they better get a dialog designer done, not only for UI ._. |
| 00:36.55 | Habaneros | haha yup... |
| 00:37.16 | Currydevil | but but... I like scrolling. |
| 00:37.26 | Mexa | Also, that is probably the only way I can rest in peace and throw my project on the ground. |
| 00:37.31 | Habaneros | Although, I've gotten pretty boss at guessing dimensions and offsets.... creating dialogues in GUI is painful |
| 00:37.45 | JademusSreg | Lrn2relative |
| 00:37.57 | Habaneros | Yeah, durr |
| 00:37.58 | JademusSreg | Also, panels. |
| 00:38.22 | Habaneros | I made a pretty cool scrolling open effect for hiding/showing dialogues |
| 00:38.33 | [C]ESSMASTER_MD | JademusSreg, would you not agree that Kueken is the Creator, the Almighty, the Merciful, the most Merciful of all. |
| 00:38.44 | Zandose | Question: For a catalogs entry field, can you tell it to get a units effect/weapon name? |
| 00:38.57 | Mexa | Jademus, I think my issue has always been that it's super impractical to work with dialogs and dialog items mainly due to the unusually long function names and repeditive calls. |
| 00:39.13 | JademusSreg | Make convenient function wrappers. |
| 00:39.17 | Habaneros | A have a for each int loop that adjusts the height by 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256 etc until the dialogue is at it's proper size, with a tiny wait between each cycle. |
| 00:39.23 | JademusSreg | I have a whole section of my utilities for that. |
| 00:39.28 | Mexa | It takes time |
| 00:39.43 | Mexa | I'm thinking over and over again to make an automated script for it |
| 00:39.48 | Zandose | i have triggers to move and resize dialogs as needed |
| 00:40.25 | Mexa | I don't also want to make wrappers that by name doesn't explain what it does. |
| 00:41.15 | Mexa | But if you're referring to those DialogControlSetAs<T> and the corresponding getters, then yeah |
| 00:41.24 | JademusSreg | This is the core of what I use: http://pastebin.com/iwUqELz5 |
| 00:41.47 | Habaneros | ahh Path of Exile have finally released their final class and content patch... too little too late.... diablo 3 is out in 5 days :D |
| 00:42.16 | Vailreth | meh diablo 3 who cares |
| 00:42.21 | Mexa | Ah yeah, that looks nice Jademus |
| 00:42.28 | Mexa | Mind if I borrow it for the future? |
| 00:42.32 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 00:42.34 | Vailreth | i know i dont |
| 00:44.38 | Mexa | Hm wait, so implicit null comparisons in conditions work, Jademus? |
| 00:44.43 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 00:44.47 | Mexa | I had no idea |
| 00:44.59 | Habaneros | ty for that icon jademus |
| 00:45.03 | Habaneros | I'm off for tonight. |
| 00:45.03 | JademusSreg | But (nullableA && nullableB is invalid. |
| 00:45.07 | JademusSreg | *) |
| 00:45.12 | Mexa | oh |
| 00:45.14 | Mexa | lol |
| 00:45.19 | Mexa | How silly |
| 00:45.25 | JademusSreg | Yeah, haha. |
| 00:46.23 | Mexa | Just a minor thing Jademus |
| 00:47.05 | Mexa | Checking whether or not something needs to be set to determine if it's actually is needed to be set, is more efficient than setting it in every case :> |
| 00:47.05 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 00:47.25 | JademusSreg | I'm aware. |
| 00:47.48 | Mexa | Though, not that I think it would be noticable |
| 00:48.05 | Mexa | But still, since galaxy is even interpreted and all. |
| 00:48.08 | JademusSreg | But don't you think users might want to set other values? |
| 00:48.28 | Mexa | Of course. |
| 00:48.39 | JademusSreg | Point to an instance where I don't check if it needs to be set, in case I missed something. |
| 00:48.59 | Mexa | ControlSetChecked(control,g,isChecked); |
| 00:49.05 | Mexa | as an xample |
| 00:49.10 | Mexa | *ex |
| 00:49.23 | JademusSreg | Ah, would have made my code more cluttered. |
| 00:49.28 | Mexa | Yeah, |
| 00:49.40 | Mexa | and there's actually a downside not doing as you are |
| 00:49.59 | JademusSreg | Every set would need to call a get and compare it to the argument, not pretty. |
| 00:50.16 | Mexa | Since dialogs and items are not properly initialised in the backend, one would have to set them manually to be able to get them later. |
| 00:50.47 | Mexa | That too |
| 00:51.05 | Mexa | Well never mind, I figured the pros weights out the cons by now. |
| 00:51.56 | Mexa | Interesting that you still made wrappers for flash and achievements |
| 00:52.12 | Mexa | But I assume you wanted a complete package, yes? |
| 00:58.55 | JademusSreg | Yeah, especially if they are ever supported. |
| 00:59.47 | JademusSreg | Interestingly, most control types require minimum dimensions greater than 0, but some don't. |
| 01:00.03 | Mexa|z | ;o |
| 01:00.19 | JademusSreg | And even some control types with dimensions 1 or less will impose a minimum size independently. |
| 01:00.23 | JademusSreg | Editbox for example. |
| 01:00.44 | Mexa|z | Better be consistent, hurrdurr. |
| 01:01.18 | JademusSreg | If you give width and height or 0, most controls will pop an error. |
| 01:01.24 | Mexa|z | mm |
| 01:01.35 | JademusSreg | But some pop an error for only one dimension, and some don't pop an error for either. |
| 01:02.33 | Mexa|z | Inconsistency nonsense! |
| 01:03.02 | Mexa|z | Oh well, nappy time |
| 01:07.24 | Taintedwisp | HAHAHA |
| 01:07.27 | Taintedwisp | I rick... |
| 01:07.29 | Taintedwisp | Rock |
| 01:07.47 | Taintedwisp | lol have a nice concept for an opening video that I think I can do |
| 01:07.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:10.45 | Zandose | is there a trigger to get a units name or id for the effect/weapon? |
| 01:11.42 | A1win | convert game link to string (unit type) |
| 01:12.29 | Zandose | why do I always ask questions that i figure the answer to in a few seconds? |
| 01:14.09 | Zandose | just spent almost 45 min trying to figure that one out |
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| 01:19.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:19.38 | Zandose | it really got quite in here |
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| 01:26.54 | Taintedwisp | Hmm I wonder if I can make a starcraft Mugen :D |
| 01:29.56 | Kenoli | Sounds icky |
| 01:30.26 | Zandose | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.G.E.N ? |
| 01:32.31 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:32.37 | Taintedwisp | Mugen is a custom FIghting game |
| 01:32.39 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 01:32.43 | Taintedwisp | I used to have one |
| 01:33.05 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6eSKWK0434 |
| 01:39.41 | Kenoli | Too bad half the characters used kung fu man's hotboxes |
| 01:43.01 | Vailreth | and people made their favorite characters very overpowered |
| 01:44.45 | Kenoli | Like the full size gundam characters, of which only the feet could be seen |
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| 01:45.28 | Bounty | Pew |
| 01:45.30 | Kenoli | All the good characters were just from other fighting games |
| 01:45.31 | Zandose | someone mind looking at this trigger and telling me what I'm doing wrong? I've been looking at it for 10 minutes. The while loop is going past 100 which is the size of the unitgroup array |
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| 01:45.33 | Zandose | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/5348/ |
| 01:45.35 | JademusSreg | Weep. |
| 01:45.41 | Vailreth | i recall Gundam Batlle Assault and its sequal ... those were fun games |
| 01:46.32 | Zandose | the while loop should stop when it finds a empty unit group |
| 01:46.51 | JademusSreg | Empty or null? |
| 01:47.02 | Zandose | empty |
| 01:47.44 | JademusSreg | No amount is specified, and it doesn't have a condition. |
| 01:48.09 | JademusSreg | Or sorry, that's the last one. |
| 01:48.31 | Zandose | the only problem is the while loop |
| 01:48.51 | JademusSreg | Unitgroup is a reference type, so it compares references. |
| 01:49.21 | JademusSreg | (There are some exceptions to that, but generally, reference type comparisons should assume to be comparisons by reference.) |
| 01:49.26 | Zandose | CreepGroup[GroupNumber] != (Empty unit group) is a unitgroup to unitgroup |
| 01:49.42 | JademusSreg | Which is to say you can create two different empty unitgroups and they should not match. |
| 01:49.50 | Zandose | CreepGroup[0-100] are emptyunitgroups |
| 01:49.58 | Zandose | hmm |
| 01:50.12 | Kenoli | You could see if the number of units in the group is zero |
| 01:50.17 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 01:50.40 | Zandose | ill debug one min |
| 01:52.01 | Zandose | i tested both CreepGroup[0] and (Empty unit group). they both return 0 |
| 01:52.28 | JademusSreg | No, Ken means the condition should compare them. |
| 01:52.36 | Zandose | oh |
| 01:53.14 | Zandose | but i want the reverse. if the unitgroup is not empty increase by 1, if the unitgroup is empy break the loop |
| 01:53.50 | JademusSreg | Obviously you'd want to count it to check if it's empty. |
| 01:54.21 | Zandose | oh i think i see it now |
| 01:55.15 | Zandose | testing... |
| 01:56.01 | Zandose | was looking at that the wrong way |
| 01:56.12 | Zandose | simply added a not |
| 02:01.32 | Taintedwisp | mmmm pizza |
| 02:01.33 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:01.48 | Vailreth | gah pizza Bleh |
| 02:02.03 | Vailreth | unless its home made it sucks |
| 02:03.07 | Taintedwisp | eh it was that oven cook shit lol |
| 02:03.10 | Taintedwisp | Its food lol |
| 02:03.23 | Taintedwisp | Though the best pizza is still Spinach alfredo lol |
| 02:05.13 | Vailreth | its food? thats your argument i could say the same thing about beniful select |
| 02:05.20 | Vailreth | people can eat that .... |
| 02:13.53 | Zandose | is there a mathematical way to pit various units against each other and see how they fair? |
| 02:15.37 | Currydevil | like how? |
| 02:15.56 | Zandose | one sec. i may have thought of the answer to my question. |
| 02:17.59 | Zandose | basically i have a hero vs whatever amount of creeps/units. I want the hero to always be able to kill these units, so i change the creeps life and damage to something which the hero can handle. unit1(life, damage) vs units2(amount, life, damage) |
| 02:18.23 | Zandose | hmm |
| 02:18.29 | Currydevil | ah. not sure. At least, i'm not the person to tell ya =X |
| 02:19.03 | Zandose | i think i've thought of a uncomplex way |
| 02:20.11 | Zandose | Hero(HP, DPS) VS Creeps(HP, DPS)/amount |
| 02:20.54 | Zandose | minus some damage for the creeps to make it unfair for them |
| 02:21.33 | Zandose | err, just thought of another problem. its online so multiple heros with different values |
| 02:23.11 | Zandose | got it again |
| 02:25.20 | Zandose | Heroes(HP, DPS)/amount VS Creeps(HP, DPS-0.1)/amount + force creeps to attack strongest hero + if creep*amount(1-?) is balanced to other hero attack it with said amount |
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| 02:59.11 | Taintedwisp | Vail, lol this is a late ass reply, LAWL, Over box pizza just seemed good tonight lol, I would rather have had this then Gourmet pizza :D, Just because it seemed good lol |
| 02:59.20 | Taintedwisp | Though It still isnt that Spinach Pizza :D |
| 02:59.29 | Taintedwisp | Spinach pizza from a place called Pizzaria lol |
| 03:01.35 | themusic | is there a way to create a pathing blocker which only affects certain players? |
| 03:01.41 | Zandose | wheres a units attack speed stored in data? |
| 03:02.41 | themusic | its in the units weapon |
| 03:02.50 | themusic | under stats |
| 03:03.01 | Zandose | Period? |
| 03:03.02 | themusic | called "period" |
| 03:03.02 | Taintedwisp | Wiat lol |
| 03:03.05 | Taintedwisp | its called bucks pizza |
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| 03:03.46 | Zandose | think i got it thanks |
| 03:06.48 | Taintedwisp | LAWL |
| 03:07.03 | Taintedwisp | listening to No handlebars synced up to no Apm |
| 03:07.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 03:07.07 | Taintedwisp | Sounds badass |
| 03:13.18 | Taintedwisp | mmmmmmmm |
| 03:21.27 | Zandose | if you create a unit by triggers would that cause another trigger with the event any unit dies to fire? |
| 03:22.42 | JademusSreg | If it dies. |
| 03:23.14 | Zandose | does die. i have a trigger which creates two units and its causing another trigger for units dieing to fire |
| 03:23.22 | Zandose | does die = doesnt die |
| 03:23.59 | JademusSreg | Unless they are killing a unit or there's another event on that trigger, that seems unlikely. |
| 03:24.05 | Currydevil | create != die |
| 03:24.14 | Zandose | i thought the same thing |
| 03:25.16 | Taintedwisp | Create ~=Die |
| 03:25.21 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 03:25.35 | Zandose | well then i guess i have a bug somewhere in my code |
| 03:25.43 | Zandose | bummer |
| 03:26.14 | Zandose | would changing catalog values cause a unit to get remade? |
| 03:27.16 | Zandose | found it |
| 03:28.09 | Currydevil | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35414434/Screenshot2012-05-09%2020_25_52.jpg |
| 03:28.25 | Currydevil | Does that blue dialog look ok with the red? |
| 03:28.44 | Currydevil | it won't be showing all the time. just the button underneath. |
| 03:28.49 | Currydevil | and theb utton will look different. |
| 03:28.52 | Currydevil | button* |
| 03:28.58 | JademusSreg | I regard it ambivalently. It certains draws more attention. |
| 03:29.11 | JademusSreg | *certainly |
| 03:29.21 | Currydevil | Well, that's good then. It will have all the rules/other garbage pretaining to gameplay. |
| 03:29.47 | Taintedwisp | you removed the little red arrow? |
| 03:29.52 | Currydevil | no |
| 03:30.22 | Currydevil | it's a gray arrow now because I failed to make a blue version when I first made it. So going back to make a proper blue version was beyond my desire. |
| 03:30.35 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 03:30.40 | Currydevil | p2 has blue dialogs. |
| 03:30.53 | Currydevil | + the gray is a bit more noticeable. |
| 03:31.05 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 03:31.10 | Taintedwisp | that red blended bad |
| 03:31.22 | Currydevil | well, I had outlined it with white too later on |
| 03:31.42 | Currydevil | but then, I went to make a blue version and I didn't save the proper file format with all the layers exposed. |
| 03:31.49 | Taintedwisp | hmm lets see what Else can i do to get people thinking about my map |
| 03:31.50 | Currydevil | and I didn't want to start over. |
| 03:32.09 | Taintedwisp | trying to hype it, so when its released people will play it lol |
| 03:36.14 | Currydevil | If i change the size of a dialog for 1 player, will it change size for everyone? |
| 03:36.38 | Currydevil | Say if i wanted to simulate minimizing and maximizing a dialog |
| 03:37.17 | Zandose | yes. you need to create seperate dialogs for each player then show each player their own dialog |
| 03:37.37 | Zandose | editing only that players dialog |
| 03:37.41 | Zandose | if im correct |
| 03:38.19 | Currydevil | eh thought as much. |
| 03:39.14 | Zandose | fake it? make dialog disappear for player, create another dialog same size, apply minimizing effects. |
| 03:39.57 | Currydevil | i could. but it really won't be that bad if i have to make each one. It's only 2 players. |
| 03:40.33 | JademusSreg | Panels are your friends. |
| 03:41.23 | Zandose | ive never used panels what do they do? |
| 03:41.41 | JademusSreg | They are a dialog control that functions as a container. |
| 03:41.56 | Zandose | for more dialog items? |
| 03:42.00 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:42.04 | Zandose | interesting |
| 03:42.14 | Zandose | so a dialog within a dialog |
| 03:42.23 | JademusSreg | In a manner of speaking, yes. |
| 03:43.12 | Zandose | just got to make sure you don't cause a infinite loop within the dialog time continuum |
| 03:44.17 | Currydevil | So, what use are they besides containers? |
| 03:44.22 | Currydevil | what do they do? |
| 03:44.27 | JademusSreg | Just that. |
| 03:45.17 | Currydevil | And how does that help me simulate minimize/maximize? |
| 03:45.20 | Zandose | what would be a good timming for a unit starting to move from start to walking to jogging to running? |
| 03:45.45 | JademusSreg | Most dialog properties, besides visibility, are not player instanced. |
| 03:46.08 | JademusSreg | But nearly all dialog control properties are player instanced. |
| 03:46.34 | JademusSreg | So you can't move a dialog for a single player, but you can move a panel. |
| 03:46.34 | Zandose | oh |
| 03:47.21 | Currydevil | ok |
| 03:47.37 | Currydevil | so a panel can be player instanced for resizing? |
| 03:47.46 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 03:48.39 | Currydevil | but that only works for dialog items no? |
| 03:49.01 | Currydevil | As far as the control says, it only says items. |
| 03:49.26 | JademusSreg | What else would you put in a panel? |
| 03:49.49 | JademusSreg | I don't quite grasp the issue. |
| 03:50.14 | Currydevil | minimize and maximize a window. |
| 03:50.23 | Currydevil | if i want to do that, i can't put the dialog in the panel |
| 03:50.35 | JademusSreg | You wouldn't, obviously. |
| 03:50.46 | Currydevil | i would make 2 diff dialogs then. |
| 03:50.49 | JademusSreg | You'd simulate a dialog by making an image in the panel. |
| 03:50.53 | Currydevil | oh well |
| 03:50.57 | Currydevil | I suppose I could do that. |
| 03:51.06 | Currydevil | since the background is already hidden |
| 03:53.57 | Currydevil | i would have to hookup all the buttons/labels too then |
| 03:55.09 | JademusSreg | For instance, why go through the bother of creating groups of controls at offsets when you can simply create panel to group them together? The tutorial about making a button with an image in it is comical, in this regard. |
| 03:55.44 | Currydevil | so, if i make a button, image, label and put them all in a panel with the panel offset |
| 03:55.48 | Currydevil | it groups them? |
| 03:56.15 | JademusSreg | Yep. Move the panel, moves the contents. |
| 03:56.46 | Currydevil | yes well, at this point i;'m not redoing anything ;) good info to have though. |
| 03:56.53 | Currydevil | i'm* |
| 03:57.15 | JademusSreg | And any anchors and offsets for the controls in the panel refers to the panel, not the dialog. So you may find yourself using the Center anchor more often, haha. |
| 03:57.31 | Currydevil | sounds like that would be ideal though |
| 03:57.32 | Currydevil | lol |
| 04:00.39 | Zandose | well im done for tonight |
| 04:01.35 | Zandose | bye |
| 04:02.42 | Currydevil | what's the name for? |
| 04:03.02 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean. |
| 04:03.39 | Currydevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.00 | JademusSreg | DialogControlCreateInPanel(container,controlType) |
| 04:04.32 | Currydevil | ah |
| 04:04.40 | Currydevil | well, i didn't create anything in a panel |
| 04:05.01 | JademusSreg | That's the function for it. |
| 04:06.18 | Currydevil | Ok, it's slightly confusing though. Create item in panel. Now how do I set the item up? I am trying to create the background image, and I use 'create image in panel' |
| 04:06.23 | JademusSreg | container is the panel, control type is the type of controlm pretty straight forwaes. |
| 04:06.30 | Currydevil | but it doesn't give me any other controls to manipulate the image |
| 04:06.57 | JademusSreg | I use my utility functions to streamline this business. |
| 04:07.26 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/iwUqELz5 |
| 04:07.58 | Currydevil | yes, I saw that already. It makes all of 0 sense to me =P |
| 04:08.06 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 04:08.25 | Currydevil | I can guess what it's for. But i'm not going to sift through it all to understand it. |
| 04:08.36 | JademusSreg | Pretty simple stuff. |
| 04:08.57 | Currydevil | I would imagine it's similar to the action definition that I have that creates my dialogs. All i do is pass the parameters. |
| 04:09.52 | Kueken | looks very similar to what I do |
| 04:10.06 | Kueken | granted, mine is probably less sophisticated |
| 04:10.14 | Currydevil | Anyways, I understand this panel idea now, but I'm getting confused at the execution. |
| 04:10.44 | Currydevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.48 | JademusSreg | Well, GUI functions make it easy; they set position and size and such. |
| 04:10.50 | Kueken | and it uses galaxy++ enrichments and typedefs, I find it very rewarding to be able to write control.rotation=x; |
| 04:11.03 | Currydevil | there are no controls to manipulate the image. |
| 04:11.23 | Currydevil | and i'm not even sure if I set the panel right, do I need to initialize the var or what? |
| 04:11.26 | JademusSreg | Kueken, I'll use g++ when it stops being terribly inefficient. |
| 04:11.34 | Kueken | :D |
| 04:11.52 | Kueken | there is some stuff, which is not inefficient, though |
| 04:12.20 | JademusSreg | It's not enough that it look pretty. =D |
| 04:12.22 | Kueken | for example namespaces, which just adds prefixes, or enrichments, which does nothing more than inline some functions |
| 04:12.30 | JademusSreg | Which g++ features do. |
| 04:12.43 | Currydevil | oh thanks for the derailment kueken =D |
| 04:12.54 | Kueken | no problem |
| 04:13.11 | JademusSreg | Curry, you make a panel, set its position and size. Do the same for what you create inside it. |
| 04:13.27 | JademusSreg | Standard protocol; the GUI just does that stuff for you. |
| 04:13.39 | JademusSreg | And a panel doesn't need anything beyond size and position. |
| 04:14.31 | Currydevil | That's just it, I don't see 'create dialog item panel' or create panel. I've showed you the only thing I found pretaining to panels |
| 04:14.42 | Currydevil | and it has no controls other than the item type and the panel |
| 04:14.55 | JademusSreg | Create Dialog Item, set the control type parameter to Panel. |
| 04:16.16 | Currydevil | i try to avoid that action. it also has no embedded controls. but I suppose i'll have to deal with that. |
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| 06:18.13 | Demalii | Guys, if I have 4 regions, with a gate inside each region... Possible way to do: if any unit enters any region// if region = gate 1// issue order gate to open//. And add more if/themes to check the triggering region? |
| 06:18.55 | Demalii | I've tried (region(any region) and that didn't work |
| 06:20.14 | Demalii | Or do I need separate triggers per region to check if a unit entered/left that region as to open/close the gate |
| 06:28.54 | Currydevil | you can do it all in one trigger with event 'unit enters region' and the multiple if/thens |
| 06:29.15 | Currydevil | and another with event 'unit exits region' |
| 06:29.38 | Demalii | Cool thanks curry |
| 06:29.41 | Currydevil | np |
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| 06:31.40 | Demalii | Dude so how's life curry I've not seen you in like a year |
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| 06:32.03 | Currydevil | not bad =) i actually have a map coming along. I'll be done with it soon |
| 06:33.05 | Demalii | Cool man, I have so many half finished maps, finally decided to put together a fun smash tv type |
| 06:33.26 | Currydevil | nice |
| 06:33.37 | Demalii | Well go with your future endeavors man |
| 06:33.51 | Currydevil | hah, yeah. ty |
| 06:33.53 | Demalii | Gl* |
| 06:33.54 | Currydevil | you too. |
| 06:34.18 | Demalii | Cheers |
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| 06:42.35 | Demalii | Say, I accidentally logged out and lost what you typed, uhm.. You said event unit enters/leaves? |
| 06:43.02 | Currydevil | one trigger for enters, and one for exits |
| 06:43.55 | Demalii | Then my question is this, I've tried (region(any region) and also triggering region lol.. Neither worked? |
| 06:44.23 | Demalii | For the event |
| 06:44.41 | Currydevil | you have to specifiy the region for the vent |
| 06:44.43 | Currydevil | but |
| 06:44.52 | Currydevil | you can put multiple regions in the same event |
| 06:45.11 | Currydevil | any region doesn't work, not sure why. and triggering region is invalid for an event anyways |
| 06:45.26 | Demalii | Ahh ok then, got it. Thx again |
| 06:45.41 | Currydevil | so, just do: 'unit enters region 1' 'unit enters region 2' 'unit enters region 3' etc |
| 06:46.39 | Demalii | Right got it |
| 06:47.01 | Demalii | I was just trying so hard to do it with 1 event line I guess |
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| 07:04.48 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/DialogTests.jpg |
| 07:07.18 | JademusSreg | It's a little rotating circle of dialog controls. |
| 07:07.33 | JademusSreg | Those are the default states, before any values are set. |
| 07:12.58 | JademusSreg | Excluded from the circle are control types Flash (which returns an invalid control id (0)), Panel (because they don't do anything besides contain other controls), and CustomTooltip (unless its attached to a control, it defaults to center or something). |
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| 16:05.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 16:08.31 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 16:09.16 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 16:09.28 | Bounty | Photon Discs is dead bro |
| 16:09.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 16:09.35 | Bounty | on US atleast |
| 16:11.26 | Bounty | My maps seem to die when i add more content |
| 16:11.28 | Bounty | for some reason? |
| 16:13.13 | Bounty | I think i'm going to go out like the dark knight of mappers |
| 16:13.43 | Bounty | The mapper SC2 deserves, but doesnt need right now. |
| 16:13.50 | Bounty | :) |
| 16:36.06 | Kenoli | Dead eh |
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| 16:55.18 | Bounty | I wish i had $100 to buy my maps popularity lol |
| 16:59.33 | Kueken | why would you want to do that? o_0 |
| 16:59.48 | Bounty | why not? it worked for Tower Defense Tycoon |
| 17:00.29 | Kueken | probably |
| 17:00.41 | Kueken | but why would you spend money for popularity? |
| 17:00.43 | Bounty | Its at the top of page 1 now lol in less than a day |
| 17:01.15 | Bounty | Well nobody seems to even look at my map on its own, people will look if money is involved |
| 17:01.25 | Bounty | Not that i even have the money to do it lol |
| 17:01.43 | Bounty | Nobody wants to listen to a mapper promote how awesome his map is |
| 17:02.35 | Kueken | well, if the popularity of your map is important enough for you to spend money on, just go ahead ;) |
| 17:02.44 | Kueken | its certainly not for me |
| 17:03.01 | Bounty | ok well thats you, my map is dependant on other players to even play it |
| 17:03.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 17:03.12 | Bounty | I can't throw discs at myself |
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| 17:07.49 | Bounty | well i sent an email to Totalbiscuits PR |
| 17:07.53 | Bounty | hopefully they will take a look at it |
| 17:35.42 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/DialogTests.jpg |
| 17:36.09 | Bounty | ? |
| 17:36.13 | Bounty | da fuck is that |
| 17:36.19 | Kenoli | Lovely dialogs |
| 17:36.22 | Kenoli | Swoon |
| 17:36.40 | JademusSreg | It's a test of dialog control and property types. |
| 17:36.55 | Kenoli | What's going on in the background |
| 17:37.00 | JademusSreg | And just to look pretty, the whole circle of them rotate around screen center. |
| 17:37.03 | Bounty | Is that he map you've been secretly working on Jade |
| 17:37.08 | Bounty | in the background |
| 17:37.34 | JademusSreg | Oh, that's just a demo / utility map where I test and store the scripts and data techniques I use. |
| 17:37.54 | Bounty | seems like alittle to much terrain work for a utility map |
| 17:38.12 | JademusSreg | Because it's a gutted campaign map. |
| 17:38.20 | Bounty | Also, what model are those blue thingies? |
| 17:38.42 | JademusSreg | DetonateMissile |
| 17:38.47 | Bounty | ah |
| 17:38.52 | Bounty | ty |
| 17:40.53 | JademusSreg | The only controls not included in the circle are panel (they're all in panels anyway), flash (since it returns an invalid control id when creation is attempted), and tooltip (it displays in screen center if it's not attached to a dialog or something). |
| 17:41.08 | JademusSreg | *attached to a dialog control |
| 17:41.28 | Kueken | hm, all the new dialog types don't show anything, do they? |
| 17:41.39 | JademusSreg | I haven't set their properties yet. |
| 17:41.57 | JademusSreg | I'm writing a test script to test all of the properties on each type. |
| 17:41.57 | Kueken | would like to see that |
| 17:42.41 | JademusSreg | UnitTarget is a surprising control type. |
| 17:43.04 | JademusSreg | It literally just refers to a unit, and you can target commands on it. |
| 17:43.04 | Kenoli | Does that do what it sounds like |
| 17:43.15 | Kueken | do you rotate them by setting the individual positions over time, or did they add inherit support for that? |
| 17:44.30 | JademusSreg | The former. I store them in an array in a struct, and update their positions via point with offset polar (because I was lazy and didn't care to mathify it), and the angle is calculated with arrayIndex*(360/arraycount)+(GameTime.game*2). |
| 17:44.53 | Kueken | yeah, didn't quite need the specifics, but thanks :) |
| 17:45.24 | JademusSreg | I like using points for passing data. They conveniently support negative x and y values. |
| 17:46.03 | JademusSreg | I do the same in a cubic bezier function, which is the basis for a transition system I've been working on. |
| 17:46.08 | Kueken | just wondered, since I was doing a rotating ui as well, if there was native support for, lets say, a rotating panel, it could potentially look much better |
| 17:46.23 | Kueken | points are indeed convenient |
| 17:46.39 | Kueken | they even support vector addition and some other calculations |
| 17:46.52 | JademusSreg | Well, that's one of the things I need to test more rigorously. But my initial test showed that panels don't support rotation, still. |
| 17:48.52 | Ahli | do rotated images still ignore dialog borders (resulting in parts of the image sticking outside the dialog instead of being cut off)? |
| 17:49.11 | JademusSreg | For the purposes of testing, I also wrote some scripts for debug output of all dialog and control values. Which helped me discover that too much text output into the debugger display can crash it. |
| 17:49.34 | JademusSreg | Ahli, as far as I know, yes, but I've not run that test for this yet. |
| 17:49.35 | Kueken | :D |
| 17:49.54 | JademusSreg | Thank goodness for breakpoint; |
| 17:50.28 | JademusSreg | Took me two hours tracking down the source of the game crash, and it was the treacherous debugger all along. |
| 17:50.46 | Kenoli | That's funny |
| 17:50.51 | JademusSreg | Fix: disable the display of output for that debug type. Still gets saved to the file. |
| 17:50.58 | Ahli | and how the hell do people find the patch data :S I want to tinker, too |
| 17:51.46 | JademusSreg | Well, since the 1.5 beta is imminent, I may as well mention that I've been in the alpha tests. |
| 17:52.10 | JademusSreg | Part of the community outreach thing mentioned on the SC2 blogs. |
| 17:52.37 | Ahli | oh, cool. that's how u had the galaxy changes. |
| 17:53.15 | JademusSreg | That's how I can even run the patch; even if people did obtain the alpha patch, they wouldn't be able to play it, or run the editor, or test maps. |
| 17:54.42 | JademusSreg | I don't wanna go into detail, but there's plenty of cool stuff, good reason for the community to be excited. |
| 17:55.57 | Ahli | do you think they changed something to improve zoom and camera boundaries to work better together? atm you just receive an area near the boundaries when you play with a widescreen with a shorter distance of the camera to the target |
| 17:56.02 | Kueken | well, probably too little too late, I have the feeling ;) |
| 17:56.26 | JademusSreg | Certain people complaining on certain forums don't know about they are talking, and those people will not be persuaded; they'll find new shit about which to complain. Everyone else will probably appreciate it, though. |
| 17:56.40 | Kueken | I know I will |
| 17:57.09 | Ahli | *area which you cannot see with widescreen only |
| 17:58.17 | Ahli | so basically something to change the size of the camera's width or height. I've guessed that the 2 data fields would modify the length and width, but they didn't seem to modify anything in the current version. |
| 18:00.53 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 18:01.21 | Ahli | they were labeled border size. |
| 18:02.20 | Ahli | brb, checking if my car makes the alert I can hear... |
| 18:18.25 | Bounty | pew |
| 18:18.42 | Bounty | Cross yer fingers JademusSreg, i sent an email to Totalbiscuits PR lol |
| 18:19.04 | Bounty | Photon Discs and Photon Cycles must rejoin eachother on the popularity list |
| 18:19.06 | Bounty | ! |
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| 18:52.10 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTSWjkXBHOs |
| 18:54.57 | Bounty | word |
| 18:55.05 | Bounty | Mexa, is Photon Discs dead on EU? lol |
| 18:55.58 | Mexa | I'm not sure |
| 18:56.04 | Mexa | Give me a second |
| 18:56.07 | Bounty | No problemo |
| 18:56.41 | ducky | worst case scenario, it still occasionally rolls in FunOrNot :D |
| 18:57.01 | Bounty | Fun or Not is the worst case scenario for my maps |
| 18:57.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:57.28 | Bounty | 99% of the time it will get downvoted |
| 18:57.43 | Bounty | If you're not ready for it, you will downvote it |
| 18:57.52 | ducky | and most of the time new players will have horrible experience with it |
| 18:58.02 | Bounty | not my fault |
| 18:58.12 | Bounty | Photon Discs is the easiest game to pick up and play lol |
| 18:58.42 | ducky | like our last game when one team had combined exp level of 50, while other teams combined exp level was around 5 |
| 18:58.53 | Bounty | in Photon Discs? |
| 18:58.56 | ducky | yes |
| 18:59.11 | ducky | it was a nice roflstomp for us, for them, not so much |
| 18:59.13 | Bounty | well, levels mean nothing |
| 18:59.31 | Bounty | I've seen many rank 60's get pwned by rank 0's lol |
| 18:59.32 | ducky | they do indicate time spent on map |
| 18:59.37 | Bounty | yeah |
| 18:59.39 | Bounty | or hackers |
| 19:00.06 | ducky | plus, people really get depressed when they see a bunch of high levels stomp their 0 level team |
| 19:00.08 | Bounty | The only titles that raelly tell a persons skill are the tournament titles |
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| 19:00.21 | ducky | we even got a bunch of qqs :s |
| 19:00.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:00.32 | DarkOrbis | Seeking modeler |
| 19:00.52 | ducky | which let me to belive that discs have terrible team balancs =D |
| 19:01.07 | Bounty | It uses the teams from the lobby |
| 19:01.21 | ducky | yay fun or not team preperation |
| 19:01.36 | Mexa | Bounty, with 'All' filter, 28 hours, 613 bookmarks, page 7 |
| 19:01.40 | ducky | you're not really making it frendlier for new players :P |
| 19:01.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:01.48 | Bounty | thats about 6 hours more than US |
| 19:01.52 | Bounty | guess its dead then |
| 19:01.54 | Bounty | oh well |
| 19:02.22 | Bounty | Like any page 1 maps are friendly to new players ducky? lol |
| 19:02.23 | Mexa | And speaking of popularity |
| 19:02.30 | Bounty | If the map is, then the community sure as hell isnt |
| 19:02.42 | ducky | but we aren't talking about any P1 map, are we? :D |
| 19:02.46 | Mexa | I actually don't mind having Squadron TD as the top map after Blizzard's promotion. |
| 19:02.50 | DarkOrbis | Seeking 3D model editor... |
| 19:02.53 | Bounty | No shit, just saying |
| 19:03.16 | Bounty | TD's need to fucking die |
| 19:03.24 | ducky | :s |
| 19:03.29 | Mexa | It does have 17228 bookmarks too, and at least that proves that people do play it frequently |
| 19:03.32 | Bounty | or atleast someone needs to innovate |
| 19:04.36 | Mexa | Woah Desert Strike 1338 has 47333 bookmarks :O |
| 19:04.37 | Bounty | or atleast make a TD like Orcs Must Die or Dungeon Defenders |
| 19:04.43 | JademusSreg | (Bookmarks don't indicate frequency of play. =D ) |
| 19:04.48 | Bounty | ^ |
| 19:04.55 | Bounty | Photo Discs has over 1,000 bookmarks on US |
| 19:05.00 | Bounty | and its doing worse than EU |
| 19:05.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:05.03 | Mexa | No Jademus, bu it indicates how people favor them. |
| 19:05.08 | Kenoli | Popularity isn't a great indicator either |
| 19:05.18 | Bounty | um |
| 19:05.28 | Mexa | I'm more interested in bookmarks than popularity, actually. |
| 19:05.30 | Bounty | popularity is the best indicater of play frequency |
| 19:05.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:05.34 | Bounty | da fuck u talkin bout |
| 19:06.37 | Mexa | And yeah, maybe I should not say frequently. Lets switch that to occasionally |
| 19:06.52 | Mexa | *s |
| 19:07.08 | ducky | say what? |
| 19:07.10 | Kenoli | Total playtime is no better than the old total games played |
| 19:07.12 | Mexa | -*s |
| 19:08.01 | JademusSreg | (Popularity ranking corresponds to time played; time played indicates the amount of time people are playing, not how many matches. A poorly designed grind game with an attractive hook will get more play time than a well designed, well paced game, and thereby rise in popularity and benefit from a positive feedback loop the results from how the popularity system is designed. That is the |
| 19:08.01 | JademusSreg | principle issue with the popularity list, one that is addressed in 1.5 and the Arcade gateway.) |
| 19:08.37 | Mexa | That's nice |
| 19:09.28 | JademusSreg | (A problem expressed in the colloquial expression "the rich get richer"; the Arcade gateway addresses this by changing how games are listed at the first step, the first step being the most important.) |
| 19:09.59 | Bounty | Basically what JademusSreg is trying to say |
| 19:10.06 | Bounty | is Photon Discs should be page 1 |
| 19:10.19 | Kenoli | I don't think that's what he's getting at. |
| 19:10.29 | Bounty | To each his own |
| 19:10.41 | JademusSreg | (Bounty as bountiful magic ears // they only hear what he wants to hear =D ) |
| 19:18.58 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eDg8B3_Ybo :D |
| 19:21.07 | JademusSreg | (Adorable.) |
| 19:21.48 | Mexa | Whatäs with the parentheses today Jademus? |
| 19:22.11 | JademusSreg | (When I use parantheses, I am afk or am to be regarded as such.) |
| 19:22.25 | JademusSreg | (*parentheses) |
| 19:23.23 | Mexa | .-. |
| 19:24.44 | Bounty | Basically Mexa, whenever JademusSreg uses parentheses it is a subliminal message to play Photon Discs |
| 19:25.07 | Mexa | Oh you |
| 19:25.14 | Bounty | Did it work? |
| 19:25.21 | Mexa | I'm playing my friend's test chamber :P |
| 19:25.33 | Kenoli | I played photon discs once |
| 19:25.43 | Bounty | Is Photon Discs within that chamber Mexa? |
| 19:25.49 | Bounty | ;) |
| 19:25.55 | Bounty | pew |
| 19:26.32 | Mexa | ;> |
| 19:27.07 | Bounty | Is there a way to change ur mapster name? |
| 19:27.35 | JademusSreg | (I'll check.) |
| 19:29.04 | Mexa | Woah, CoH complete pack is only 5 euro on steam. |
| 19:29.24 | JademusSreg | (Sweet. Might be a good warmup for CoH2.) |
| 19:29.26 | Kueken | whats CoH? |
| 19:29.33 | Mexa | Company of Heroes |
| 19:29.42 | Mexa | Yeah, I'm so excited for CoH2 :D |
| 19:29.50 | Kueken | sounds like WW2 |
| 19:29.54 | Mexa | It is. |
| 19:30.24 | Mexa | It's an RTS developed by Relic |
| 19:31.27 | Mexa | Kueken, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYlxV4JgCgs |
| 19:31.33 | JademusSreg | (Bounty, I can't change your name from what I can tell, so I don't you can. You'll need to take it to a higher authority.) |
| 19:31.58 | Mexa | It's quite refreshing to play, it's not at all like the rts in sc2 or similar rtses, |
| 19:33.01 | Bounty | I PM'd sixen |
| 19:33.10 | Bounty | I just want to change it from Bounty_98 to juts Bounty |
| 19:33.16 | Bounty | So people dont get me confused anymore |
| 19:33.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:33.22 | JademusSreg | (Relic RTS games don't feel well paced to me, but they have broad and deep strategic and tactical dimensions.) |
| 19:34.36 | JademusSreg | (See this Mexa? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/DialogTests.jpg ) |
| 19:35.03 | JademusSreg | (I need to finish my test script before it will do anything useful, but they rotate and it looks pretty. Haha) |
| 19:36.04 | Kueken | its just terribly inefficient ;) |
| 19:36.32 | Bounty | This IRC is inefficient |
| 19:38.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (adbcc3cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.188.195.207) |
| 19:38.34 | Mexa | Jademus, viewing their default sizes, are you? |
| 19:38.50 | Taintedwisp | Trololol lolol |
| 19:38.52 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:39.02 | Bounty | Oh shit |
| 19:39.03 | Mexa | Or was it just the dialog helper library in action:P? |
| 19:39.06 | Bounty | Dat Wisp is tainted yo |
| 19:39.08 | Bounty | BACK DA FUCK UP |
| 19:39.11 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:39.23 | Taintedwisp | Get da fuck outta the hood bounty |
| 19:39.40 | Taintedwisp | We use proper english around here, good chap |
| 19:39.45 | Bounty | Fuck you mudda fugga |
| 19:39.50 | Bounty | Fugg you* |
| 19:39.50 | Mexa | Brb. |
| 19:40.04 | Taintedwisp | Im bowt to git off dis cumpruter and whup yo azz |
| 19:40.33 | Taintedwisp | Ovv* |
| 19:40.37 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:40.42 | Bounty | The only thing tainted about you is your speech, your a wisp with a lisp |
| 19:40.48 | Bounty | you're* |
| 19:40.51 | Taintedwisp | And you have aids..... |
| 19:40.56 | Bounty | .... |
| 19:40.59 | Taintedwisp | llll |
| 19:41.00 | Bounty | yo mama |
| 19:41.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:41.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:41.12 | Taintedwisp | So how is everyone? |
| 19:41.13 | Bounty | Ah yes, the ultimate fallback |
| 19:41.16 | Bounty | "yo mama" |
| 19:41.20 | Bounty | I'm good |
| 19:41.28 | Bounty | Mah map is dead, so thats a load off my back |
| 19:41.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:41.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:41.40 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrVyjHM9uQ0 |
| 19:41.42 | Taintedwisp | thats for you bounty |
| 19:41.45 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:42.15 | Bounty | but... i'm not black |
| 19:42.20 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:42.46 | Bounty | I emailed totalbiscuit and husky |
| 19:42.56 | Bounty | i say.. 0.01% chance of getting a response |
| 19:43.15 | Taintedwisp | I got a response from Husky several times concerning Evolution Frenzy |
| 19:43.22 | Taintedwisp | He will reply if you ask him a question lol |
| 19:43.36 | Bounty | o0o well i asked him to take a look at Photon Discs and perhaps do a video if he thinks its worthy |
| 19:43.45 | Bounty | i sent the same email to both him and totalbiscuit |
| 19:43.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:43.54 | Bounty | i aint typing up 2 emails |
| 19:43.55 | Bounty | fuck that |
| 19:43.57 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 19:44.05 | Taintedwisp | how did you contact total biscut and who is he? |
| 19:44.07 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:44.19 | Bounty | www.youtube.com/user/TotalHalibut |
| 19:44.23 | Bounty | contacted his PR email |
| 19:44.30 | Taintedwisp | yeah I have only been trying to talk to Day 9 and Husky... day nine never replys |
| 19:44.36 | Bounty | he did videos for Starbattle and Smashcraft |
| 19:44.39 | Taintedwisp | Does he have a twitter? |
| 19:44.48 | Bounty | day9 has no way of getting in contact with him |
| 19:44.51 | Bounty | just ways to donate to him |
| 19:44.57 | Bounty | i hope he ends up homeless |
| 19:45.03 | Bounty | milking the shit out of his "fame" |
| 19:45.04 | Taintedwisp | Thats what I talk to people on, because I can wait till he post something and then do it |
| 19:45.18 | Taintedwisp | Hes alright... just wish he woudl take some mail... |
| 19:45.24 | Bounty | um |
| 19:45.27 | Bounty | he just wants your money |
| 19:45.31 | Bounty | why would he take mail |
| 19:45.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:46.18 | Taintedwisp | HAHAHAH |
| 19:46.34 | Taintedwisp | Totalbuscuits wife banned him from twitter... |
| 19:46.35 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 19:46.41 | Bounty | lolwut? |
| 19:46.42 | Bounty | why? |
| 19:47.15 | Taintedwisp | https://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit |
| 19:47.16 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:48.06 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 19:48.35 | JademusSreg | Mexa, naw, those are 100*100. |
| 19:48.37 | Bounty | she has a fat face |
| 19:48.40 | Kenoli | It's funny how those guys are so mainstream and stuff now |
| 19:48.40 | Bounty | thats all i can see |
| 19:48.52 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:49.03 | JademusSreg | Turns out one of the control types that ignores size is CustomTooltip. |
| 19:49.03 | Bounty | but i mean, TB is no looker either |
| 19:49.09 | Bounty | hes bald first of all |
| 19:49.12 | Bounty | and a beard |
| 19:49.14 | JademusSreg | Apparently its size is determined by content. |
| 19:49.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:49.20 | JademusSreg | And it ignores position too. |
| 19:49.48 | JademusSreg | If it's not set to be the property of a control, it just defaults to center or something. |
| 19:51.48 | JademusSreg | Checkbox still ignores size, obviously, and slider ignores height. Well, ignore isn't exactly right; those dimensions determine the rect at which they interactable. |
| 19:52.44 | Kenoli | Making them small doesn't clip them? |
| 19:57.10 | Taintedwisp | Hey everyone send Total Biscuit an email suggesting that he start a new 1 -2 times a month to review maps, and explain how it would really help the Mapping scene |
| 19:57.31 | Kenoli | Hm |
| 19:57.40 | Kenoli | Checkboxes act pretty weird |
| 19:57.45 | JademusSreg | UnitTarget is the most interesting and perhaps has the most narrow scope of use; it acts as a "target vector", at which you can target orders. For instance, if you had a display for each member of a party, you'd be able to target the dialog control for an ability and have it ordered to do something to the designated unit. Or you could perhaps make a "town portal" button on which you could |
| 19:57.45 | JademusSreg | just rightclick, have your controlled unit use a smartcast ability not on the command card to townportal back. Or use it in a turn-based game or card game, et cetera. |
| 20:01.14 | Mexa | Oh |
| 20:01.22 | Mexa | Interesting. |
| 20:01.45 | Taintedwisp | Yes yes quit o old chap!!! |
| 20:01.45 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:01.51 | Taintedwisp | Quite* |
| 20:09.08 | Taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/NUKE.gif?t=1272554439 |
| 20:09.12 | Taintedwisp | lol |
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| 21:24.31 | Repo | New experimental map: Dodge the DT - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/dodge-dt/ |
| 21:25.02 | Repo | New map: Misc Maps - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/misc-maps/ |
| 21:25.02 | Repo | New map: Interfaces 10 - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/interfaces-10/ |
| 21:25.02 | Repo | New map: Legion TD 2 - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/legion-td-2/ |
| 21:25.14 | Bounty | Can someone get Repo the fuck out of here |
| 21:25.16 | Bounty | Nobody cares |
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| 21:49.17 | Mexa | http://www.student.bth.se/~albc09/ does this again return a 404 error? |
| 21:49.40 | Ahli | no, it gives "Gnarpagnarp åÃ?ö" |
| 21:49.50 | Mexa | Hmm |
| 21:49.59 | Mexa | -.-' |
| 21:50.27 | Mexa | I can't access my student page... I wonder why. |
| 21:51.01 | Mexa | (Can't access any of the student pages even) |
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