| 00:02.19 | Xapti | doesn't seem to be. I tried disabling it and I havne't noticed anything dfferent. |
| 00:03.11 | Xapti | Considering that it's being done for all players first thing on map initialization, I don't see how i could be doing it wrong either |
| 00:04.11 | Xapti | maybe it doesn't work |
| 00:10.59 | Kueken | toggle it at a key event and see what changes |
| 00:13.07 | A1win | woo no cable bug \o/ |
| 00:13.32 | A1win | and 2player balance was fine too o: |
| 00:13.57 | A1win | just a little twin ibiks cannons nerf needed |
| 00:14.27 | A1win | oh and a change to how hatchery death works... |
| 00:24.41 | Ahli | battle.net has some kind of lags on EU atm :S |
| 00:25.08 | A1win | didn't notice anything during the last hour I played |
| 00:27.43 | A1win | how can I preload some units? seems the game freezes for a bit when spawning them for the first time |
| 00:27.50 | A1win | should I just spawn them on map start and remove? |
| 00:31.56 | Mexa | Preload them using triggers |
| 00:32.18 | Mexa | Well yeah |
| 00:32.32 | Mexa | Either what you said, or use the preload functions |
| 00:32.43 | Mexa | I recall there are a few of them. |
| 00:34.08 | Mexa | There's also an xml-file which adds things to preload. |
| 00:34.26 | Mexa | Preload.xml |
| 00:35.17 | Mexa | Not sure what will happen if one modifies it though. |
| 00:35.24 | Mexa | Ahli, |
| 00:35.59 | Mexa | Eeeerh, I mean A1win. |
| 00:36.38 | A1win | ah |
| 00:36.58 | A1win | well, I'll just put them in the map, at least I can be sure it works without having to test ;p |
| 00:42.16 | Ahli | preload model is buggy I think... at least it doesn't work very well for me |
| 00:42.27 | Ahli | just create or place the units somewhere on the map and remove then instantly |
| 00:42.41 | Ahli | then the loading will still happen before the player is inside the map |
| 00:43.46 | A1win | mmh... I think I need to preload a ping model, seems to freeze on that too |
| 00:46.32 | A1win | mmh or not, dunno what's causing that freeze then D: |
| 00:46.45 | A1win | or maybe I need the burrowed units preloaded too... |
| 00:46.57 | Ahli | battle.net is dieing |
| 00:47.02 | A1win | would think it'd do that automatically if a preloaded unit has morph ability |
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| 01:51.40 | pirate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAy0OZBtiM0&feature=youtu.be |
| 01:51.44 | pirate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9o5miNTLdQ&feature=youtu.be |
| 01:51.58 | pirate | which combat text looks better? |
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| 02:03.36 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 02:04.10 | A1win | pirate, the first one... in the second one it's difficult to be sure what the values are |
| 02:04.41 | Repo | New asset: Beta Unit sounds - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/beta-unit-sounds/ |
| 02:05.02 | pirate | noted |
| 02:12.19 | Mexa|z | I recall Repo is just a bot, no? |
| 02:13.03 | Vailreth | i do believe so |
| 02:13.39 | JademusSreg | Mexa, you fail at sleeping. |
| 02:14.22 | Mexa|z | Oh, you know how I am:p |
| 02:14.30 | Mexa|z | Unfortunantly. |
| 02:15.21 | Mexa|z | To the bedmobile! |
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| 02:40.04 | Taintedwisp | Hey question, does anyone know if anyone has re-made the popular Wc3 map troy? |
| 02:40.39 | Vailreth | i didnt know there was a popular WC3 map called Troy |
| 02:41.27 | Taintedwisp | yeah, it was nearly as popular as Civ wars or Gem td on US east |
| 02:41.57 | Taintedwisp | Its a very simple concept 1 vs 8, the 8 layers build units similar to the merc compound |
| 02:42.09 | Vailreth | i never played custom games the few i tryed were .. elitist to put it nicely |
| 02:42.19 | Taintedwisp | ah |
| 02:42.38 | Taintedwisp | Well i think I might re-make it anyways Sound slike fun |
| 02:42.39 | Taintedwisp | Thanks |
| 02:45.35 | Vailreth | i think blizzard could have kept the shredder if they would have made it a structure instead of a unit but thats just me |
| 02:45.59 | piratemobile | campaign units yaaaaaayyyy |
| 02:48.39 | Vailreth | what about them? |
| 02:48.49 | piratemobile | shredder will make it into campaign imo |
| 02:48.55 | Vailreth | ah |
| 02:48.57 | piratemobile | fer HotS |
| 02:52.25 | Vailreth | i see |
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| 04:14.50 | Currydevil | Hmmmm |
| 04:15.19 | Currydevil | My action is executing too fast. |
| 04:15.57 | Currydevil | Seems to be skipping part of it anyways. |
| 04:17.16 | Zanam | use the trigger debugger |
| 04:17.34 | Zanam | make sure its not hitting outside an array or in an endless loop and exiting early to prevent a crash |
| 04:17.45 | Currydevil | none of that. |
| 04:17.51 | Currydevil | it's just skipping part of it. |
| 04:17.58 | Currydevil | or it seems like it is anyways |
| 04:18.02 | Currydevil | http://pastebin.com/2han0bre |
| 04:18.20 | Currydevil | in game, it looks like it's just passing over the 'repeat' |
| 04:18.25 | Currydevil | the unit is not moving at all. |
| 04:18.54 | Currydevil | the if/then at the bottom is all the attack stuff. but i'm not concerned with that part (hid it anyways) |
| 04:19.04 | Zanam | check your parameter tilecount |
| 04:19.38 | Zanam | if necessary send a text to chat of the tilecount, see how many times the trigger at that point is attempting to repeat |
| 04:23.46 | Currydevil | well, all the values are what I expect them to be. it obviously did the actions one time, but the unit does not move. |
| 04:24.27 | Currydevil | executing too fast? I tell it to kill the unit if it attacks a unit of the same rank. so all i see is my unit and the target blowing up as soon as I run the actions |
| 04:24.54 | Currydevil | but it doesn't issue the move order. |
| 04:25.36 | Currydevil | maybe a wait in a different place will fix it. |
| 04:26.13 | Zanam | just move the move order outside the loop |
| 04:26.23 | Currydevil | nah, it has to be in the loop |
| 04:26.36 | Currydevil | but it works now, just stuck a wait in the loop too |
| 04:26.46 | Zanam | waits are dangerous depending on the situation |
| 04:27.07 | Currydevil | there is nothing else going on during the time that this is happening. |
| 04:27.20 | Zanam | then it'll work |
| 04:28.54 | Currydevil | very structured gameplay =O |
| 04:30.12 | Zanam | oh right |
| 04:30.16 | Zanam | startego |
| 04:30.17 | Zanam | turn based |
| 04:30.22 | Currydevil | indeed. |
| 04:49.16 | Xapti | sc2mapster's down? |
| 04:52.29 | Currydevil | looks that way. and what would cause a stack overflow error? |
| 04:58.51 | Xapti | huh I never realized that there was a queen shockwave ability |
| 05:01.17 | Zanam | stack overflow's usually an infinite loop |
| 05:01.46 | Currydevil | last couple times I hit an endless loop it froze the game. |
| 05:02.01 | Currydevil | this time I can still do other things. |
| 05:02.47 | Currydevil | not sure how it's hitting an infinite loop unless my value is coming out as -1? |
| 05:02.58 | Currydevil | do triggers count -1 as infinite like the data editor does? |
| 05:03.03 | Xapti | damn I can't have cast time on transient abilities? |
| 05:03.25 | Xapti | i guess maybe casting means you need to stay put? |
| 05:03.48 | Zanam | pastebin your trigger thats going bad |
| 05:03.49 | Xapti | how would I have it so that it could be cast while attacking or moving, but still have a cast time? |
| 05:04.06 | Zanam | no idea xapti |
| 05:04.24 | Currydevil | Oh wow, I just found out why. |
| 05:04.25 | Xapti | I wouldn't think so Currydevil (but i don't know) |
| 05:04.41 | Currydevil | Somehow I pasted something into it that shouldn't have been there -.- |
| 05:04.59 | Currydevil | so, the action definition was calling itself from itself =X |
| 05:05.13 | Xapti | but I suppose you meant in a loop where it isn't possible to get to -1 |
| 05:05.46 | Currydevil | well, I am using a 'repeat actions' loop. I was asking incase setting it to -1 would make it infinite |
| 05:05.58 | Currydevil | and using a var to set how many times it repeats. |
| 05:06.00 | Currydevil | But I fixed it. |
| 05:06.12 | Xapti | oh... yeah i guess in that case that sounds likely |
| 05:06.20 | Currydevil | I don't know how I did it, but I pasted the function call inside itself. |
| 05:06.27 | Currydevil | -.- |
| 05:06.55 | Xapti | is there anywhere where I know what what individual flags do, such as ability flag? |
| 05:06.55 | Zanam | happens a lot |
| 05:07.09 | Xapti | *where i can know/learn |
| 05:07.17 | Zanam | if you click the function call in the list on the left, if your cursor changes to the 'copy paste' cursor |
| 05:07.22 | Zanam | then you click on an action |
| 05:07.26 | Zanam | it pastes the function call |
| 05:07.29 | Currydevil | yeah =( i just didn't notice when i did it. |
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| 05:07.38 | Zanam | and xapti, i'd suggest just searching the forums |
| 05:07.53 | Xapti | yeah I was trying to |
| 05:07.59 | Currydevil | What flag are you looking for Xapti? Transient? I normally use that for instants to that the unit doesn't interrupt a move order to cast it. |
| 05:08.13 | Xapti | well I'm just curious in general |
| 05:08.17 | Currydevil | oh ok |
| 05:08.36 | Currydevil | however, it doesn't work so well on some abilities, and I don't know why lol. |
| 05:08.40 | Xapti | Also, I'm looking for something where I can attack and/or move while casting |
| 05:08.47 | Xapti | but not having the ability instantaneous |
| 05:08.59 | Xapti | I thought transient would do that, but it seems transient is instantaneous |
| 05:09.08 | Xapti | maybe I have to use a different phase than cast phase |
| 05:09.21 | Currydevil | Well, it works better for instant casts. to not interrupt movement. |
| 05:09.34 | Xapti | like channel or something, and could get equivalent effect (assuming i can somehow move/attack while chaneling) |
| 05:10.26 | Xapti | transient allows casting while moving and/or attacking AND it won't interrupt either action |
| 05:10.41 | Currydevil | Yay, scout long range attack works. |
| 05:11.15 | Currydevil | scout causes so much trouble. |
| 05:21.16 | Xapti | damn... i can't have a cast time, channel time, or prepare time with the transient flag |
| 05:21.23 | Xapti | so damn unintuitive the editor |
| 05:21.28 | Xapti | doesn't even say WTF flags d |
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| 06:05.42 | Xapti | can someone tell me what tring to type in when referencing an ability cooldown condition? |
| 06:06.20 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 06:06.30 | JademusSreg | Clarify cooldown condition. |
| 06:08.10 | Xapti | unit ability cooldown value reference (used in a condition) |
| 06:08.36 | JademusSreg | Ah, you need the field for the catalog. |
| 06:09.25 | Xapti | yeah, i'm not sure how to find it for thi |
| 06:09.35 | JademusSreg | I'll take a look. |
| 06:09.41 | Xapti | for that sort of field |
| 06:10.09 | Xapti | "FinishTime" ? |
| 06:10.11 | Xapti | i'll try that |
| 06:10.18 | Xapti | i ent into ML vie, I gue that' it |
| 06:10.23 | Xapti | swxswxswxswxswxswxswxswxswxswxswx freaking keyboard |
| 06:10.35 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 06:11.23 | Xapti | FinishTime is what it has for XML view, but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 06:11.27 | JademusSreg | "Cost.Cooldown.Link" iirc |
| 06:11.32 | JademusSreg | Oh, sorry. |
| 06:11.40 | JademusSreg | "Cost.Cooldown.TimeUse" |
| 06:12.08 | Xapti | oh hhops[ |
| 06:12.13 | Xapti | lol i was looking at the wrong thing |
| 06:12.20 | Xapti | yeah i see <Cost> <Cooldown TimeUse="0.1"/> |
| 06:12.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 06:12.57 | Xapti | they both had the same value set, so I just took the first one I saw |
| 06:13.09 | JademusSreg | Understandable. |
| 06:15.30 | Xapti | hmm still isn't working |
| 06:15.57 | Xapti | (Cooldown of cooldown "Cost.Cooldown.TimeUse" on ability dummyblast on unit (Triggering unit)) <= 0.0 |
| 06:16.26 | JademusSreg | That doesn't look right. |
| 06:16.55 | JademusSreg | I was right the first time, in the sense you could use a catalog lookup, but really just enter the link directly. |
| 06:17.07 | Xapti | link directly? |
| 06:17.11 | JademusSreg | Usually something like "Abil/Blablah". |
| 06:17.45 | Xapti | oh |
| 06:17.47 | JademusSreg | Yeah, cooldown links support arbitrary strings, and it's asking for the cooldown link. |
| 06:17.57 | Xapti | oh righttt |
| 06:17.59 | Xapti | yeah ' |
| 06:18.09 | Xapti | I haven't been using the editor in a long time o I forgot |
| 06:18.17 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 06:18.23 | Xapti | I was thinking about that field, but forgot hat it was |
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| 06:19.09 | Lajjla | In the galaxy editor, is there a way to paste terrain (for the purpose of making it symmetric) so that dead space doesn't 'paste over' |
| 06:19.18 | Xapti | I think I checked it in my old map |
| 06:19.22 | Lajjla | As in, to make the editor ignore not replace non dead space with dead space when it pastes |
| 06:19.39 | JademusSreg | Laj, that does not parse. |
| 06:19.44 | JademusSreg | Please rephrase. |
| 06:20.22 | Lajjla | JademusSreg, well, I got half of a map made right now and I want to paste and rotate it 180%, the part of the map where the other part is supposed to come is now dead space. |
| 06:20.35 | Lajjla | But when I paste it the deadpsace of course overrides what I already have on the other side |
| 06:20.42 | Lajjla | Because the selection toolk is a square |
| 06:20.50 | Lajjla | Or at least, can you also select in non square ways? |
| 06:21.02 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's pretty terrible and unwieldy. |
| 06:21.11 | JademusSreg | No real solution to that problem. |
| 06:21.31 | Lajjla | Oh wow, I'm stupid, holding shift+select adds to the selection. == |
| 06:24.20 | Xapti | yeah |
| 06:24.45 | Xapti | huh I still can't get my link to work |
| 06:25.31 | Xapti | I tried both Abil/dummyblast and just dummyblast |
| 06:25.52 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 06:26.24 | Xapti | maybe Abil/dummyblast.Cost.Cooldown.TimeUse ? |
| 06:26.33 | JademusSreg | Definitely not. |
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| 06:28.17 | Xapti | it' jut a imple thing to only order unit to cat if the cooldown isn't on |
| 06:29.03 | Xapti | but i'm still getting the "cooldown is active" warning |
| 06:31.25 | Xapti | oh.. duh... think i figured out the problem |
| 06:37.54 | Xapti | so range of abilities can be an array, how's that work? |
| 06:38.09 | JademusSreg | It's for supporting levels. |
| 06:38.52 | Xapti | oh |
| 06:52.16 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/XXVUd.png like/dislike? fit the map? |
| 06:53.12 | JademusSreg | Too much distortion. If you insist on it, use a contrasting color. |
| 06:53.32 | Currydevil | for the end? |
| 06:55.01 | Xapti | I don't care for it. The font is nice but not much else. It's not BAD, but i don't care for it |
| 06:55.36 | Xapti | in fact it's kinda nice, but something still seems off |
| 06:55.39 | Currydevil | The font is not going to change. |
| 06:55.49 | Currydevil | it's the best font for it. |
| 06:55.53 | Xapti | yeah |
| 06:56.07 | Currydevil | i'm going to play with a few diff methods |
| 06:56.12 | Currydevil | and see which comes out best. |
| 06:57.45 | Xapti | Jademus I find that abilities that have transient flag cannot have cast time, channel time, preparation time, etc.. Is there any way to have abilities with a cast/channel/prep time castable while moving (and not interrupting the movement)? |
| 06:58.36 | JademusSreg | Unknown. I've encountered the same thing, but developed around it. |
| 06:59.05 | Xapti | units can replenish ammo while moving... |
| 06:59.16 | Xapti | I guess that's a different sot of mechanic though |
| 06:59.25 | JademusSreg | Try Specialize. |
| 06:59.43 | JademusSreg | It's what the Vultures use to recharge Spider Mines. |
| 07:00.13 | Xapti | it doesn't actually cast an ability though ,just replenishes |
| 07:00.32 | Xapti | well kinda is an ability i guess, but not active.. |
| 07:00.51 | Xapti | beh, maybe my excuse doesn't work |
| 07:01.17 | JademusSreg | And if you want, you can take it even further and use Arm Magazine, haha. |
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| 07:02.06 | Xapti | yeah but those can't be used for effects can they? |
| 07:02.25 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean by that. |
| 07:03.31 | Xapti | I can't tell wtf the vulture secialize ability thing does |
| 07:03.44 | Xapti | oh there |
| 07:03.45 | JademusSreg | Increases the charge count. |
| 07:04.15 | Xapti | yeah i saw |
| 07:25.22 | Currydevil | http://cooltext.com/Render-Image?RenderID=686982090 color corresponds to player. |
| 07:25.24 | Currydevil | or will |
| 07:26.24 | Currydevil | http://cooltext.com/Render-Image?RenderID=686982575 |
| 07:27.36 | JademusSreg | suggests photoshop. |
| 07:28.35 | Currydevil | http://cooltext.com/Render-Image?RenderID=686983294 Oh i like this one better. |
| 07:28.51 | Currydevil | I already did. You didn't like it =P jk |
| 07:29.12 | Currydevil | I didn't see any other effects I liked right now. |
| 07:31.23 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/IT3Vv.png first one with different colors. |
| 07:35.06 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/v8Z8N.png or this one with less blur |
| 07:36.53 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/VZn3F.png I really like this one actually. |
| 07:38.20 | JademusSreg | "liking" is not a useful evaluation. =D |
| 07:39.43 | Currydevil | In your opinion. |
| 07:39.56 | JademusSreg | Opinions are similarly useless. |
| 07:42.06 | Currydevil | This one is quite interesting. http://i.imgur.com/8k0TY.png |
| 07:55.25 | JademusSreg | I wonder if catalogs can change an ability's SetID value. |
| 08:07.44 | Lajla | Is there an easy way to let the galaxy editor render an image of the map from a certain angle as one often sees? |
| 08:12.52 | Xapti | you mean an angle that isn't 90 degrees? |
| 08:13.20 | Xapti | I don't see how it would be a map the |
| 08:13.25 | Xapti | *then |
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| 08:19.14 | Lajla | Xapti, no, I mean a static image. |
| 08:19.26 | Lajla | http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/5/5b/Lost_Temple.jpg like that |
| 08:22.36 | Currydevil | By zooming out and rotating the camera to birds-eye view? |
| 08:22.55 | Currydevil | and taking a screen shot. |
| 08:23.14 | Currydevil | not sure how to make the editor do that by itself though. |
| 08:24.24 | Lajla | Hmm |
| 08:24.40 | Lajla | It seems to be of a better quality there than the working view od the editor provides |
| 08:24.48 | Lajla | Or can you also change that? |
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| 08:45.55 | Lajjla | Jesus christ, it seems to be pretty much impossible to mirror a map in this thing. == |
| 08:46.06 | Lajjla | Might as well just recreate the entire building pathing by hand on the other side, seems easier |
| 08:55.27 | Repo | New announcement: TotalCraft - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/total-craft/ |
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| 13:21.18 | Mexa | "There will be a memorial service on Friday April 27th in J 1504 (multisalen) between 12.00 -13.00 to commemorate the memory of Dheeraj Reddy Donthi a respected student at the MSc in Design, Interaction and Game Technologies programme. All who wish to attend is welcome. " :| |
| 13:22.08 | Mexa | Not fun to find this guy was from our school, found in some harbour further away. |
| 13:38.56 | Kueken | will you attend the memorial? |
| 13:57.51 | Mexa | I would if I had known him |
| 13:57.57 | Mexa | I might go anyway. |
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| 14:37.41 | HP-X|Arthas | Mexa: what was he doing in the harbour? |
| 14:37.48 | HP-X|Arthas | any news article up anywhere? |
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| 15:03.54 | Mexa | Arthas |
| 15:03.54 | Mexa | http://www.thelocal.se/40260/20120414/ |
| 15:05.41 | HP-X|Arthas | ty |
| 15:26.48 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 15:30.48 | Kueken | Mexa |
| 15:31.03 | Kueken | thats what I am currently doing wit the shape detection thingy :) |
| 15:31.04 | Kueken | www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/35997-heroes-of-aiur/ |
| 15:31.28 | Kueken | maybe I will even release it in a couple of years :D |
| 15:32.02 | Kueken | btw |
| 15:32.27 | Kueken | can you embed image thumbnails in the forums, so they behave like the ones for attached images? |
| 15:32.46 | Kueken | showing the big picture on mouseover |
| 15:33.43 | JademusSreg | Good question. I figured the wikicreole image tag would do that automagically. |
| 15:34.03 | JademusSreg | The html tag sure as shit does not. |
| 15:42.00 | ckSynergy | when inserting data refrences into a text field, is there a way to keep it from rounding? i.e. <d ref="Unit,Hero,Field[0]"/>, if Field[0] = speed and speed = 2.25, returns 2 |
| 15:42.14 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 15:42.35 | ckSynergy | nevermind |
| 15:42.48 | JademusSreg | Done. |
| 15:49.12 | Kueken | the wikicreole tag doesn't seem to do such a thing |
| 15:49.19 | JademusSreg | Unfortunate. |
| 15:49.35 | Kueken | currently I just use the url and image tag, but that requires you to click the image |
| 15:50.09 | JademusSreg | I guess the simplest solution would be to locate a post that accomplishes this, if any, and quote the post to see which markup it uses. |
| 15:50.22 | Kueken | notify me, if you happen to see one |
| 15:50.37 | Kueken | also quoting does not carry the markup |
| 15:50.44 | Kueken | afaik |
| 15:50.55 | JademusSreg | Will do; I encountered the same issue in writing up my tutorial. |
| 15:51.24 | Kueken | quote only includes plain text for me |
| 15:51.46 | Kueken | al formatting and embedded images or videos don't even show up |
| 15:51.48 | JademusSreg | Hm. That's unexpected. But no issue for me. I'll edit the post just to see the contents. |
| 15:52.01 | Kueken | :D |
| 15:52.24 | Kueken | the mystic gifts of a moderator |
| 15:53.11 | JademusSreg | That's all well and good, but I'd be more content if people took a more active role in the peer review process. |
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| 15:56.42 | JademusSreg | I'm interested in promoting a standard of quality and, like any standard, it is only strong as its supporters. |
| 16:02.48 | Kueken | What specifically are you talking about anyway? ;) |
| 16:03.06 | Kueken | I probably missed something huge there? |
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| 16:05.36 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/ |
| 16:05.48 | JademusSreg | Specifically Submission Guidelines and Retroactive Reviewing. |
| 16:12.13 | Xapti | how do you check for unit order of an ability that targets a point or unit, without having to know that point/unit? |
| 16:12.35 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 16:12.44 | JademusSreg | Check in what sense? |
| 16:13.21 | Xapti | oh nevermind I think i see |
| 16:13.30 | Xapti | i should chck before asking questions lol |
| 16:13.42 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:13.43 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:26.56 | Ahli | sixen, you have been summoned http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4662318225#2 |
| 16:37.24 | JademusSreg | Better make that #3 |
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| 17:17.42 | Dustin | hi |
| 17:18.03 | Scorp_ | hi |
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| 17:20.13 | Delemen | yo |
| 17:22.45 | A1win | ugh lots of tweaking needed after 4 player test D: |
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| 17:34.45 | Scorp_ | how do I make an ability castable while moving? |
| 17:35.08 | JademusSreg | Flag : Transient |
| 17:35.35 | Scorp_ | lol, thanks |
| 17:36.21 | ckSynergy | is there somewhere I can see what dialog events are valid for dialog item types? |
| 17:36.46 | Delemen | ARgh.. Why is the model.m3 name of a model in the previewer... not the same as what a model is called in the Data Editor |
| 17:37.09 | Delemen | XelNagaArtifactSpell.m3 doesn't seem to exist outside of the previewer. |
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| 17:38.59 | ckSynergy | Delemen: does it have variations? |
| 17:40.00 | Kueken | the model object is called EnergyNovaShockwave |
| 17:40.21 | Kueken | and if you cannot find it right away, just create a new object using the desired file ;) |
| 17:40.58 | Delemen | Yeah just did that. :) |
| 17:41.15 | Delemen | Would've been more logical... if model files were y'know... named after their corresponding .m3 (model) files... |
| 17:41.19 | Delemen | model objects* |
| 17:43.28 | JademusSreg | Often, they are. |
| 17:43.57 | JademusSreg | The asset field is references the id token. |
| 17:44.15 | Delemen | That's even worse! Makes you suspect something WILL be named after it's .m3 found in the previewer. And then all of a sudden you're looking for a certain model for hours |
| 17:44.30 | Delemen | I still chuckle at the Guass Rifle... |
| 17:46.26 | JademusSreg | How is that even worse? It is actually what you said would be more logical, assuming "model files" meant model data, since the alternative interpretation is nonsensical. |
| 17:47.07 | Kueken | heh, just yesterday I designed a dialog with some button files called ..._camapaign_... |
| 17:47.17 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:48.01 | Delemen | :) |
| 17:48.03 | JademusSreg | Thank goodness for photoshop and the nvidia plugin, or I might otherwise be stuck using standard assets. |
| 17:48.29 | Delemen | The good news is I have 3 'Fire Spells' and 2 'Water Spells' working, and... they interact properly... water puts out fire... |
| 17:48.53 | Scorp_ | alright.. |
| 17:49.00 | Scorp_ | never use Show UI when its already shown |
| 17:49.04 | Delemen | Next trick will be to implement 'Ice Spells'. And then Fire can melt Ice projectiles/effects into 'water', which then in turn puts the fire out |
| 17:49.44 | Kueken | good luck making water and ice spells look nice |
| 17:49.57 | Mexa | http://reset-game.net/ made by two people only, seriously :O? |
| 17:49.59 | Ahli | scrop, what did you experience? credits? |
| 17:50.00 | Kueken | I found that to be challenging with the limited assets available |
| 17:50.08 | Mexa | The trailer is intriguing. |
| 17:50.10 | Scorp_ | yea and a whole lot of other stuff |
| 17:50.25 | Scorp_ | Burne did a pretty good attempt at ice spells |
| 17:51.33 | Delemen | WaterDrops.m3 and WaterSplash.m3 will suffice |
| 17:51.55 | Delemen | And I scaled the Xel'NagaArtifactSpell.m3 nicely to feature as some sort of flash-flood spell |
| 17:52.37 | Delemen | Darkness & Light will be tricky... I've only really seen the Shadow Blink (that Zeratul has) as a potential candidate for Darkness |
| 17:52.54 | Kueken | Everything you see in the trailer is straight from the in-game engine |
| 17:53.02 | Kueken | thats impressive, Mexa |
| 17:53.58 | Kueken | delemen: Try to tint some smoke/explosion effects, if you tint them black, you can get some nice black smoke |
| 17:54.17 | Kueken | also the black and purple hybrid assets might fit nicely |
| 17:54.37 | Delemen | I'd really like to implement some kind of dynamic lighting into my map |
| 17:55.01 | Delemen | But, other than fiddling with the map-default lighting, or attaching omni's to everything... not 100% sure what my options are :D |
| 17:55.24 | Kueken | well, you can fade multiple lighting options... |
| 17:55.33 | Kueken | but thats probably not what you need |
| 17:55.56 | Delemen | Well, for Blindness or 'Shroud of Darkness' I will probably just limit affected targets' sight radius to 1 |
| 17:56.32 | Delemen | If it ends up being a Darkness element ability, I'll restrict sight radius |
| 17:56.32 | Vailreth | i do not know of an easy way to do that |
| 17:56.45 | Delemen | if it ends up being a Light element ability, I'll probably use a Screen Image of a lense flare |
| 17:56.50 | Delemen | and trigger that on affected players |
| 17:57.54 | Delemen | Fire+Light oppose Water+Darkness |
| 17:58.11 | Delemen | Ice+Earth oppose Lightning+Wind |
| 17:58.51 | Delemen | But players can pick and choose whatever elements they want... up to 6 spells active at any one time |
| 17:59.00 | Vailreth | i still need top figure out how to get the vesgene gas clouds from guysers colored purple |
| 17:59.18 | Delemen | And each element (Fire, Light, Water, Darkness etc....) will have it's own sort of skill-tree. |
| 17:59.23 | Delemen | Diablo 2 styled |
| 17:59.55 | Delemen | @Vailreth, afaik - you can't. The Vespene Geyser model spawns the particles. |
| 18:00.05 | Delemen | And, NiNToxicated's m3 exporter doesn't let us play with particles. |
| 18:00.22 | JademusSreg | The official art tools will help in that regard. |
| 18:00.30 | Vailreth | i am hoping blizz's art tools will cover it |
| 18:00.33 | Delemen | So, maybe if you can figure out what texture the particles are using, by viewing .dds files - just change the green to purple. |
| 18:00.35 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 18:00.50 | Delemen | Blizz's art tools will most likely be a retrofitted version of some Diablo 3 tool or asset. |
| 18:01.07 | JademusSreg | That's nonsense. |
| 18:01.16 | Vailreth | i agree |
| 18:01.17 | Kueken | to my knowledge, the current m3 exporter for max can handle particles |
| 18:01.38 | Delemen | if by handle, you mean, beautifully crash-tastic? |
| 18:01.42 | Kueken | at least Zolden created some models for me with working particle effects |
| 18:01.43 | Delemen | And what version of max? :) |
| 18:02.00 | Kueken | no idea, I cannot use it at all |
| 18:02.18 | Scorp_ | it does not work for 2012 |
| 18:02.27 | Delemen | nor, 10, nor 11 |
| 18:02.36 | Delemen | nor 9 as far as I am aware... but that might've been changed. |
| 18:03.08 | Kueken | from what I was told, you cannot import the model into max with the particles, but you can restore them in max and export them to a working m3 |
| 18:03.14 | Delemen | also... lol @ AutoDesks attempt at creating an innovative and shiny new package... |
| 18:03.38 | Delemen | Their 2013 Ultimate Creation Suite... is basically Maya, Max, MudBox, Softimage, and a bunch of other legacy softwares... all in one handy box. |
| 18:04.33 | Delemen | So instead of optimising and fixing the legacy features which are piling up like a teenagers dirty laundry... they market a new 'bundle' and everyone goes mad for it... |
| 18:04.33 | Vailreth | i see |
| 18:04.45 | Delemen | Some days I wish AutoDesk didn't buy up all the competition.... |
| 18:05.13 | Vailreth | i want blizzard tools for blender |
| 18:05.34 | JademusSreg | The art tools would certainly based on the art tools they used to develop SC2; it will probably include additional features that make it more accessible to non-technical modelers, and it is possible it may explicitly cut features they deem inappropriate, like ogv/svg video texture support. |
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| 18:05.58 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 18:06.04 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/26/505/zeratul_with_particle_2.m3 |
| 18:06.14 | Delemen | 'art tools they used to develop sc2' - you mean... like... 3D Studio Max? :p |
| 18:06.16 | Kueken | if you can access that |
| 18:06.21 | Delemen | and.. Photoshop? |
| 18:06.30 | Kueken | thats a model Zolden modified for me with working particle effects |
| 18:06.45 | Delemen | Hmm interesting. I havn't been able to successfully import a model with particles since I moved from 2009 to 2011 |
| 18:06.45 | JademusSreg | No, the plugins they developed for those and other programs, obviously. |
| 18:06.56 | Kueken | which works fine ingame |
| 18:07.00 | Kueken | the particles work |
| 18:07.05 | Delemen | Will send Zolden a PM |
| 18:07.07 | Kueken | what doesn't is ribbon effects |
| 18:07.15 | Kueken | like zealot hair |
| 18:07.18 | Delemen | finding out what version etc and how he created the particles |
| 18:07.20 | Kueken | thats a different thing |
| 18:07.55 | JademusSreg | Physics bodies and walkable planes aren't supported by NiN's plugin either. |
| 18:08.27 | Kueken | not saying its perfect :D |
| 18:08.39 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 18:08.48 | Kueken | but apparently it supports particles for over a year now |
| 18:08.53 | JademusSreg | Given time, the community would eventually develop the tools it needs. |
| 18:09.13 | Kueken | since it wasnt updated recently |
| 18:09.15 | Delemen | hmm strange. Will pm zolden. |
| 18:09.42 | Delemen | I thought he discontinued working on it pretty much when SC2 came out, or near enough to September/August when SC2 came out? |
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| 18:10.00 | JademusSreg | Others have been working on it. |
| 18:21.37 | Delemen | The 'SC2 Art Tools' will at the very least be a way to add hardpoints or attachment points to existing models. |
| 18:21.52 | Delemen | Maybe some kind of primitive 3d painting tool... but that's pushing it. |
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| 18:32.37 | Naph | Question: what's the galaxy function for testing whether a unit is an enemy (from the point of view of a specified player)? |
| 18:32.42 | equinox1911 | hihi |
| 18:36.09 | Mexa | Hey Jademus, which one was the album you linked from mspaint adventures? |
| 18:36.17 | Mexa | On bandcamp. |
| 18:36.27 | JademusSreg | Which album you mean? |
| 18:36.38 | equinox1911 | naph , i need more information to answer that question |
| 18:36.52 | equinox1911 | , but in general pick each unit in unit group |
| 18:37.03 | Mexa | I don't know which one. You linked to a song once, and I liked it:P |
| 18:37.06 | JademusSreg | Pick Each is always bad forever. |
| 18:37.40 | equinox1911 | and then unit group as function in regeion with condition |
| 18:37.55 | equinox1911 | you are right .. |
| 18:38.07 | equinox1911 | but i have no idea what he actually wants to do .. |
| 18:38.15 | Kueken | return PlayerGetAlliance(this.owner,c_allianceIdChat,p)==false; |
| 18:38.21 | Kueken | thats how I do it |
| 18:38.23 | Kueken | ok |
| 18:38.31 | Kueken | swap this.owner with p1 |
| 18:38.32 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:38.36 | Kueken | its galaxy++ |
| 18:39.20 | Kueken | apparently, the "chat" alliance is used by Blizzard as a standard alliance type |
| 18:39.57 | Kueken | btw Jade, you told me that like 2 days ago |
| 18:40.10 | Kueken | I think ;) |
| 18:41.09 | Naph | thanks, but Kueken, what's the third argument in PlayerGetAlliance for? |
| 18:41.19 | JademusSreg | PlayerGetAlliance( UnitGetOwner(someUnit), c_allianceIdPassive, someOtherPlayer); |
| 18:41.19 | Kueken | the second player |
| 18:41.28 | Naph | ah ic |
| 18:41.51 | Naph | tyvm |
| 18:41.57 | Kueken | first one is source, 2nd is target, btw |
| 18:42.06 | JademusSreg | Passive means they won't attack each other, so add a ! to the beginning of that expression and tada enemy check. |
| 18:42.37 | Kueken | hm |
| 18:42.55 | Kueken | not sure why I compare to false, usually I add a ! as well... |
| 18:43.02 | Kueken | Gui-poisoned |
| 18:43.06 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 18:43.08 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:43.10 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 18:55.06 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2APIakB0R8M&t=1m |
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| 19:04.33 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 19:04.51 | Bounty | Our maps have swapped places yet again JademusSreg |
| 19:05.00 | Bounty | lolol |
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| 19:10.34 | A1win | bah I'll just release this as beta, can't get reliable test results with people who know the map already anyway |
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| 19:17.51 | A1win | there, CraftCraft public on EU |
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| 19:32.16 | Bounty | A1win |
| 19:32.24 | Bounty | What is Photon Discs at on EU? |
| 19:32.41 | Xaragoth | alrighto |
| 19:32.45 | Xaragoth | stream all set for gw2 tomorrow |
| 19:32.46 | Xaragoth | =) |
| 19:32.51 | Bounty | nice |
| 19:32.58 | Xaragoth | now to hope it won't lag like shit |
| 19:33.03 | Xaragoth | as it did with SWTOR |
| 19:33.11 | Bounty | quite a few pros have been streaming Photon discs >< |
| 19:33.19 | A1win | Bounty, it's on page 5 |
| 19:33.23 | Bounty | hours? |
| 19:33.25 | A1win | 83 |
| 19:33.29 | Bounty | not bad |
| 19:33.39 | Bounty | gotta get the new update over to Xaragoth >< |
| 19:33.54 | Bounty | new Masters map for TDM and DM |
| 19:33.54 | Ahli | aiwin, can you make attack on T and repair wherever it is usually? |
| 19:33.56 | Bounty | much larger |
| 19:34.23 | Xaragoth | going to take a look at the pub version |
| 19:34.32 | Xaragoth | haven't checked the updates yet |
| 19:34.50 | Bounty | Have you tried Photon discs yet Xaragoth? Like, with other players lol |
| 19:37.10 | A1win | woah 14 minutes on my map already =O one player playing |
| 19:37.51 | A1win | Ahli, umm what? |
| 19:38.34 | A1win | are you using grid based hotkeys? |
| 19:40.09 | A1win | didn't thought of that, mmh |
| 19:40.11 | A1win | *think |
| 19:40.30 | A1win | but can't really move repair where it usually is, there will be other abilities there |
| 19:41.02 | Ahli | also, if you die and leave stuff behind the tooltip says something about enter the vehicle to retrieve cargo, but it's just the dropped cargo due to death |
| 19:41.07 | Ahli | yes |
| 19:41.24 | A1win | hmm what tooltip? |
| 19:43.11 | A1win | oh |
| 19:43.13 | A1win | damn |
| 19:43.27 | A1win | I'll fix that |
| 19:47.48 | Xaragoth | currently playing bounty |
| 19:47.53 | Xaragoth | and I feel that discs need a maximum range |
| 19:48.05 | Xaragoth | it becomes a bit of a randomness instead of a skill factor at the moment |
| 19:48.14 | Bounty | not on US :) |
| 19:48.17 | Bounty | with rank 60's |
| 19:48.31 | Bounty | random kils never win the game |
| 19:48.36 | Xaragoth | it's just disc spamming over long corridors mostly |
| 19:48.42 | Xaragoth | which is bad |
| 19:48.46 | Bounty | thats why there is a new map |
| 19:48.47 | Xaragoth | because that's like sniper duels |
| 19:48.49 | Bounty | for TDM and DM |
| 19:48.51 | Xaragoth | not to mention |
| 19:48.52 | Xaragoth | blue disc |
| 19:48.54 | Xaragoth | on blue ground |
| 19:48.57 | Xaragoth | really fucking hard to see |
| 19:49.07 | Bounty | what mode r u playing |
| 19:49.46 | Xaragoth | CTF |
| 19:49.51 | Bounty | o0o |
| 19:50.03 | Bounty | sounds like u got a turtle game |
| 19:50.09 | Bounty | we dont get those over here lol |
| 19:50.19 | Bounty | we get the occasional newb who snipes, but it never works and they lose |
| 19:50.24 | Bounty | CTF is all about being aggressive |
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| 19:52.02 | Xaragoth | well, the range is a problem |
| 19:52.10 | Bounty | no its not lol |
| 19:52.11 | Xaragoth | it takes way from mid-range fast paced fights |
| 19:52.24 | Xaragoth | and turns it into a slugfest of spam the disc to hit whoever comes close |
| 19:52.25 | Bounty | wish you could come play with us on US |
| 19:52.30 | Bounty | shield |
| 19:52.35 | Bounty | move ur way over there |
| 19:52.39 | Bounty | and kill em |
| 19:52.43 | Bounty | i do it all the time |
| 19:52.55 | Xaragoth | doesn't help when you get sawed in half by a recall you can't see :P |
| 19:53.05 | Bounty | derp |
| 19:53.09 | Bounty | look at the enemy |
| 19:53.13 | Bounty | whenever u see someoen recall |
| 19:53.15 | Bounty | always shield :) |
| 19:53.25 | Xaragoth | main problem is the blue disc on blue floor |
| 19:53.33 | Xaragoth | especially at the regular angle of view |
| 19:53.37 | Bounty | half the map is red, half is blue |
| 19:53.50 | Xaragoth | try to use colors that don't meld |
| 19:53.55 | Xaragoth | map blue |
| 19:53.58 | Xaragoth | team a red |
| 19:54.00 | Xaragoth | team b green |
| 19:54.02 | Xaragoth | solved |
| 19:54.11 | Xaragoth | or yellow and red |
| 19:54.24 | Xaragoth | and less neon on the map and more on the players/discs |
| 19:54.36 | Bounty | less neon? |
| 19:54.39 | Xaragoth | it's all about visual response and currently that's really fucking hard |
| 19:54.48 | Xaragoth | less glow from the map itself |
| 19:54.48 | Bounty | its ur first game? |
| 19:54.59 | Xaragoth | ye, but doesn't matter shit |
| 19:55.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:55.04 | Xaragoth | game design degree > random bounty |
| 19:55.05 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 19:55.20 | Bounty | Everyone single player on US > Xaragoth |
| 19:55.24 | Bounty | i did lock purple and violet though |
| 19:55.26 | Bounty | today |
| 19:55.32 | Bounty | they were hard to see |
| 19:56.37 | Xaragoth | it's currently a big fucking mid of the same colors, which is always bad |
| 19:56.46 | Xaragoth | *mix |
| 19:58.50 | Xaragoth | had a fair bit of fun |
| 19:58.52 | Xaragoth | killed a lot |
| 19:58.57 | Xaragoth | even capped the flag for my fail team once |
| 19:59.04 | Xaragoth | but the visual reception was horrible |
| 19:59.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:59.26 | Xaragoth | which in skill based things is ALWAYS not good |
| 19:59.39 | JademusSreg | (Yeah, red/green combos are bad, red/green color blindness being fairly common.) |
| 19:59.49 | Xaragoth | yeah, that too jademus |
| 20:00.06 | Bounty | Photon Cycles has those colors |
| 20:00.16 | Xaragoth | though |
| 20:00.20 | Xaragoth | sc2 has a build-in colorblind mode |
| 20:00.26 | Xaragoth | so it shouldn't matter |
| 20:00.28 | Bounty | also |
| 20:00.30 | JademusSreg | (As does LoL.) |
| 20:00.36 | Bounty | did you just say Skill based is based Xaragoth? lol |
| 20:00.43 | Bounty | skil based is bad* |
| 20:00.49 | Xaragoth | no |
| 20:00.50 | Xaragoth | I said |
| 20:00.59 | Xaragoth | your shitty colors take away from visual reception in your skill based game |
| 20:01.01 | Xaragoth | which is bad |
| 20:01.04 | Xaragoth | skill based is good though |
| 20:01.05 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 20:01.19 | Bounty | ur the only person to say that on the CTF map |
| 20:01.31 | Bounty | only colors i've had to lock were purple and violet |
| 20:01.36 | Xaragoth | I'm also the only person who plays it with a decent grasp on colors it seems |
| 20:01.57 | Xaragoth | Otixa would smack your face in with a brick if you ignore basic knowledge of coloring :D |
| 20:01.58 | Bounty | Wish you could play with some of the ppl on US |
| 20:02.05 | Xaragoth | it has nothing to do with playing |
| 20:02.11 | Otixa[gtfod] | What. |
| 20:02.11 | Bounty | but ur wrong lol |
| 20:02.13 | Bounty | on those two colors |
| 20:02.13 | Xaragoth | it has to do with visual reception |
| 20:02.19 | JademusSreg | (And I'm not saying a game can't have red and green, but rather designs based on a relationship of those colors is bad, especially with regards to color-blind players.) |
| 20:02.24 | Bounty | you can see blue team and red team discs perfectly fine |
| 20:02.30 | Xaragoth | jademus, what's the with () |
| 20:02.31 | Bounty | purple and violet were a problem though |
| 20:02.31 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 20:02.33 | Bounty | and were locked |
| 20:02.41 | Otixa[gtfod] | ¬_¬ |
| 20:02.48 | Xaragoth | blue discs |
| 20:02.50 | Xaragoth | on blue floor |
| 20:02.51 | JademusSreg | (I use parantheses when I am afk, or am to be regarded as such.) |
| 20:02.55 | Bounty | floor isnt blue |
| 20:03.01 | Bounty | half the map is blue walled |
| 20:03.04 | Bounty | other is red |
| 20:03.09 | Bounty | with reduced opacity |
| 20:03.12 | Otixa[gtfod] | GTFO |
| 20:03.15 | Bounty | u can see them perfectly fine |
| 20:03.39 | Bounty | ive got plenty of feedback and not a single person has said what ur saying specifically lol |
| 20:03.43 | Bounty | only purple and violet |
| 20:03.53 | Bounty | which like i said, are no longer selectable :) |
| 20:04.00 | Xaragoth | and how many of those people have a game design degree and know what the fuck game design is? |
| 20:04.03 | Xaragoth | oh wait ... can't be that many |
| 20:04.04 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 20:04.08 | Bounty | ? |
| 20:04.18 | Bounty | oh im sorry i didnt realize i shouldnt care what the players think? lol |
| 20:04.23 | Bounty | the ppl who are constantly playing |
| 20:04.34 | Bounty | pew pew |
| 20:04.37 | JademusSreg | (You shouldn't.) |
| 20:04.38 | Bounty | *headshot* |
| 20:04.39 | Xaragoth | you should take the feedback, but players are usually to be considered not knowing best |
| 20:04.52 | Bounty | i know that |
| 20:05.00 | Bounty | but if not a single person has said what ur saying |
| 20:05.11 | Bounty | then? |
| 20:05.40 | Bounty | BUT |
| 20:05.42 | Otixa[gtfod] | np, everyone's an industry professional now |
| 20:05.45 | Bounty | like i said, the issue on the overall |
| 20:05.49 | Bounty | WAS a problem |
| 20:05.52 | Bounty | with the colors i said |
| 20:05.56 | Otixa[gtfod] | And SC2 map makers are to be regarded as gamedesign gurus |
| 20:05.59 | Bounty | but not with blue and red |
| 20:06.27 | Bounty | purple discs were |
| 20:06.28 | Bounty | literally |
| 20:06.30 | Bounty | invisible |
| 20:06.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:06.56 | Bounty | the way tinting works is so effing wierd |
| 20:07.02 | Bounty | wish you could just color something |
| 20:07.05 | Bounty | without mixing colors |
| 20:07.17 | Bounty | apparently purple + light blue = invisible |
| 20:07.22 | JademusSreg | (If players knew what made a good game, they'd be making them. And they'd provide feedback that was objective and informative; compliments, insults, like and dislike, none of that shit is useful. If you can't articulate the principle, evaluations are useless.) |
| 20:07.34 | Bounty | JAde no shit |
| 20:07.41 | Bounty | BUt if not a single player says they have trouble seeing blue discs |
| 20:07.45 | Bounty | then what? |
| 20:07.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:07.53 | Bounty | we're not talking about mechanics here |
| 20:08.31 | JademusSreg | (Design precedes mechanics, so yeah, obviously.) |
| 20:09.20 | Xaragoth | http://i.imgur.com/RLkeA.jpg |
| 20:09.24 | Xaragoth | really fucking easy to see those discs there |
| 20:09.27 | Xaragoth | reaaaaaaaaal easy |
| 20:09.33 | Bounty | well thats ur fucking problem |
| 20:09.36 | Bounty | get a real PC |
| 20:09.42 | Xaragoth | *facepalm* |
| 20:09.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:09.44 | Bounty | its not supposed to look like that |
| 20:09.45 | Xaragoth | mind boggling stupid. |
| 20:09.55 | Xaragoth | that's the LOW setting |
| 20:09.57 | Bounty | im not designing around ppl who play on low >< |
| 20:09.59 | Xaragoth | did you even TEST with all settings? |
| 20:10.12 | Bounty | nope, most players play on low though |
| 20:10.19 | Vailreth | yeah... |
| 20:10.25 | Deaod | i cant imagine why ... |
| 20:10.26 | Otixa | peers at image |
| 20:10.33 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VjI-aZ1ZYk |
| 20:10.35 | Bounty | looks like that |
| 20:10.38 | Bounty | i think its worth it |
| 20:10.45 | Deaod | why not add a few mipmaps? |
| 20:10.49 | Xaragoth | maybe because the visual reception on low should be best? |
| 20:10.52 | Deaod | seriously... |
| 20:10.56 | Xaragoth | why the fuck do you think pro starcraft players play on LOW |
| 20:11.00 | Bounty | lol? |
| 20:11.07 | Bounty | so now we have to design around low settings? |
| 20:11.13 | Bounty | sorry i wanted a glass floor |
| 20:11.19 | Xaragoth | you have to design around ALL settings |
| 20:11.22 | Xaragoth | that's the fucking point |
| 20:11.24 | Vailreth | indeed |
| 20:11.31 | Xaragoth | if you make a horror tps |
| 20:11.32 | Otixa | The ugly makes Otixa angry |
| 20:11.36 | Otixa | ¬_¬ |
| 20:11.37 | Xaragoth | you can neglect it in sc2 |
| 20:11.44 | Xaragoth | because sc2 is fucked up and doesn't have light on low |
| 20:11.48 | Bounty | look at the video Otixa before u say its ugly |
| 20:11.50 | Xaragoth | but for something like this? |
| 20:11.57 | Otixa | Bounty, I am |
| 20:12.42 | Deaod | wait, why is there nothing being displayed? |
| 20:12.51 | Deaod | i though it was because of missing mipmaps... |
| 20:12.52 | Bounty | Love it though, even when i make something ppl have been playing constantly since release. I still get shit lol |
| 20:13.02 | Bounty | nothing being displayed? |
| 20:13.04 | Bounty | what do u mean |
| 20:13.21 | Otixa | You can thank Xara for bringing this to my attention ;p |
| 20:13.35 | JademusSreg | (When I saw the horror of the low graphic settings in Photon Cycles, I commissioned custom models to replace that garbage.) |
| 20:13.45 | Xaragoth | lol |
| 20:13.46 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 20:13.56 | Deaod | shouldnt there be the images for discs? |
| 20:14.08 | Bounty | ? |
| 20:14.10 | Xaragoth | ye and shield |
| 20:14.10 | Otixa | See? Jaed has some sense :P |
| 20:14.10 | Deaod | or is it just the ground were talking about? |
| 20:14.29 | Xaragoth | we are talking about the colors used in environment compared to the colors used by the players and their discs |
| 20:14.31 | Xaragoth | aka |
| 20:14.33 | Xaragoth | blue on blue |
| 20:14.35 | Xaragoth | is fucking stupid |
| 20:14.51 | Bounty | btw |
| 20:14.52 | Bounty | on ALL low |
| 20:14.55 | Bounty | the ground isnt blue |
| 20:14.57 | Bounty | its purple |
| 20:15.02 | Bounty | and looks like water >< |
| 20:15.20 | Xaragoth | I played with my regular ladder low settings |
| 20:15.29 | Bounty | ok? this isnt fucking ladder |
| 20:15.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:15.34 | Bounty | jesus |
| 20:15.54 | Deaod | yeah, but i wont change my settings every time i switch from ladder to custom maps |
| 20:16.03 | Deaod | (or back) |
| 20:16.09 | Xaragoth | I set my sc2 on high when I make shiny shots and videos |
| 20:16.12 | Bounty | well thats ur problem imo |
| 20:16.15 | Bounty | not mine |
| 20:16.18 | Xaragoth | but otherwise it's a waste of valuable visual feedback |
| 20:16.29 | Bounty | bc it takes so long to change settings |
| 20:16.34 | Deaod | yes. |
| 20:16.38 | Xaragoth | not sure if smacking you with your head into the wall is going to solve mindboggling stupid brain settings |
| 20:16.41 | Xaragoth | it's your fucking problem |
| 20:16.46 | Xaragoth | how many players do you think do what we do? |
| 20:16.51 | Xaragoth | or have worse pcs that can't set it higher |
| 20:16.56 | Deaod | it actually takes long to change settings. |
| 20:17.03 | Bounty | alot of people play on high |
| 20:17.07 | Deaod | so? |
| 20:17.08 | Xaragoth | not to mention some settings require a fucking restart |
| 20:17.12 | Bounty | Idra, SSNSpyte, Huk, Puck |
| 20:17.14 | Bounty | all play the map |
| 20:17.16 | Bounty | no issue |
| 20:17.18 | Bounty | so eat my ass |
| 20:17.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:17.27 | Xaragoth | seriously? |
| 20:17.30 | Bounty | yep |
| 20:17.31 | Xaragoth | that's your agument? |
| 20:17.33 | Xaragoth | *argument |
| 20:17.38 | Bounty | wel we're talking about ladder settings |
| 20:17.44 | Bounty | and they play on all low |
| 20:17.47 | Bounty | using their ladder settings |
| 20:17.48 | Bounty | and they like it alot |
| 20:17.52 | Deaod | so youre extrapolating from a tiny set of data? |
| 20:17.54 | Xaragoth | no, we're talking about visual feedback given to the player being important on any setting |
| 20:17.58 | Bounty | no |
| 20:18.01 | Bounty | alot of ppl play on low |
| 20:18.05 | Curry | Bounty: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35414434/StartegoCompilation.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35414434/StartegoBlue.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35414434/StartegoRed.png |
| 20:18.15 | Bounty | only a few play on high-ultra etc |
| 20:18.41 | Bounty | i'd go with the red one Curry |
| 20:18.47 | Xaragoth | the stupidity of sc2 map makers is going to be the end of me, seriously |
| 20:18.47 | Deaod | you forget that SC2 has more than low-normal-high-ultra |
| 20:18.48 | Bounty | wasnt that the color of the Stratego logo? |
| 20:18.53 | Deaod | theres also custom. |
| 20:19.01 | Curry | yeah, but on the board it's red and blue for each player |
| 20:19.05 | Deaod | which i personally like to use. |
| 20:19.19 | Deaod | because fuck presets. |
| 20:19.24 | Bounty | You're going to be the end of yourself Xaragoth lol |
| 20:19.33 | Xaragoth | doubt that |
| 20:19.34 | Bounty | You get so mad |
| 20:19.38 | Xaragoth | I don't get mad |
| 20:19.46 | Xaragoth | I hate it when people neglect basic design knowledge |
| 20:19.47 | Bounty | I saw you on the news |
| 20:19.57 | Bounty | Blew up 5 houses with ur yell |
| 20:20.02 | Bounty | of pure hate |
| 20:20.20 | Mexa | Oh you. |
| 20:20.33 | Xaragoth | I'm not yelling tbh |
| 20:20.40 | Bounty | well yeah |
| 20:20.41 | Xaragoth | I'm just trying to teach you some fucking basics |
| 20:20.49 | Bounty | but im sure atleast at one point in this conversation |
| 20:20.49 | Mexa | I'M YELLING, OKAY!?! |
| 20:20.53 | Bounty | u took ur hands on the keyboard |
| 20:20.54 | Mexa | screams |
| 20:20.57 | Bounty | and put ur hands on ur head |
| 20:20.58 | Bounty | in rage |
| 20:21.02 | Xaragoth | no |
| 20:21.02 | Bounty | 20 bucks says u did it |
| 20:21.05 | Bounty | pay up |
| 20:21.08 | Bounty | i got ur house bugged |
| 20:21.08 | Xaragoth | in disbelief how someone can be so fucking stupid |
| 20:21.32 | Bounty | so just because of this one thing now i'm stupid overall? |
| 20:21.36 | Currydevil | I'll have a big red one for the load screen bounty, but those are what will show on the screen for each player |
| 20:21.50 | Bounty | nice |
| 20:21.54 | Bounty | I think it was red outline with white inside |
| 20:21.57 | Bounty | right? for Stratego |
| 20:22.08 | Deaod | Bounty, he informed you of a clash of colors which should be easy to fix, seeing how it apparently works for all but a few combinations of settings. |
| 20:22.35 | Currydevil | Well, many of the boxes I see online are a goldy/yellow color |
| 20:22.56 | Currydevil | but there is one red with white outline |
| 20:23.19 | Bounty | btw |
| 20:23.22 | Bounty | in that picture http://i.imgur.com/RLkeA.jpg |
| 20:23.26 | Bounty | u can easily see them |
| 20:23.49 | Xaragoth | Why do I even bother *sigh* |
| 20:23.54 | Bounty | even though they are on the other side of the map |
| 20:23.56 | Bounty | ? |
| 20:24.03 | Bounty | seriously? u dont think those are easy to see? |
| 20:24.07 | Bounty | im not even bsing |
| 20:24.22 | Xaragoth | they are not. at least not as much as they need to be visible to allow a good dodge move. |
| 20:24.23 | Bounty | they are on the other side of the entire map |
| 20:24.31 | Xaragoth | imagine 8-10 players |
| 20:24.40 | Xaragoth | the pure amount of discs you gotta dodge is mind-boggling |
| 20:24.47 | Bounty | thats what shield is for |
| 20:24.59 | Bounty | plus i mean, its not supposed to be a game about nto dieng |
| 20:25.01 | Bounty | ur gonna die |
| 20:25.04 | Bounty | eventually |
| 20:25.16 | Xaragoth | the point is that just "I have a shield" is not skill based |
| 20:25.17 | Xaragoth | it's |
| 20:25.20 | Xaragoth | "I can press RMB" |
| 20:25.28 | Xaragoth | skill based is: I dodged 12 fucking discs and killed 3 people |
| 20:25.31 | Xaragoth | that's skill based |
| 20:25.41 | Xaragoth | play a bit of tribes so you understand what I mean by the concept :D |
| 20:25.47 | Bounty | i know what ur talking about |
| 20:25.49 | Bounty | this isnt tribes |
| 20:25.56 | Bounty | i dont have that kind of responsiveness |
| 20:26.20 | Xaragoth | congratz, you finally understood while tps in sc2 is bullshit, at least something has been learned! |
| 20:26.28 | Xaragoth | the basic problem isn't how it plays though |
| 20:26.41 | Xaragoth | it's just that the basic choice of color is bad for visual feedback |
| 20:26.44 | Currydevil | the game is fun xaragoth, why are you complaining? |
| 20:26.50 | Bounty | http://i.imgur.com/RLkeA.jpg |
| 20:26.54 | Bounty | he says its hard to see those discs |
| 20:26.56 | Xaragoth | visual feedback is bad |
| 20:27.06 | Xaragoth | especially on long-distances |
| 20:27.25 | Currydevil | those discs are so far away anyway, why do you need to worry about those ones? |
| 20:27.34 | Xaragoth | cause when you have 8 players |
| 20:27.34 | Bounty | but u can see them though |
| 20:27.35 | Bounty | right? |
| 20:27.37 | Xaragoth | they will come back |
| 20:27.37 | Bounty | Curry |
| 20:27.42 | Currydevil | yes, i can see them. |
| 20:27.50 | Bounty | now |
| 20:27.55 | Currydevil | those are your discs right? |
| 20:27.59 | Bounty | if the discs were the exact shade of blue |
| 20:28.02 | Bounty | as the floor |
| 20:28.02 | Currydevil | you need to dodge your own for what? |
| 20:28.03 | Deaod | its still all different shades of blue. |
| 20:28.21 | Xaragoth | Currydevil: Was an example shot. |
| 20:28.34 | Xaragoth | Try seeing blue discs being thrown from the blue side before they are fucking close |
| 20:28.36 | Deaod | and the walls have a very similar shade of blue. |
| 20:28.37 | Xaragoth | it's damn hard |
| 20:28.40 | Currydevil | ok, well.. I dunno. i'm going to go back to making my logo. |
| 20:28.48 | Bounty | bc its colored that way Deaod |
| 20:28.51 | Bounty | half is red |
| 20:28.52 | Bounty | other is blue |
| 20:28.56 | Bounty | so idiots know where to take the flag |
| 20:28.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:29.02 | Xaragoth | yeah |
| 20:29.04 | Xaragoth | my suggestion |
| 20:29.08 | Xaragoth | make the map blue |
| 20:29.10 | Xaragoth | make one team red |
| 20:29.12 | Xaragoth | one yellow |
| 20:29.18 | Xaragoth | use the neon signs from the stores |
| 20:29.19 | Deaod | do you see the light-blue stripes? |
| 20:29.22 | Xaragoth | to color the edges |
| 20:29.27 | Xaragoth | so you can see which side you are on |
| 20:29.41 | Otixa | Why not just make a proper map and do team colored accents like any level designer with half a brain would do? ;p |
| 20:29.43 | Xaragoth | so the basic colors are easily distinguished |
| 20:29.47 | Bounty | now THIS is what the game looks like on low |
| 20:29.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:29.49 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvaqasJTkEg |
| 20:30.24 | Bounty | not sure why it does those huge explosions when discs die |
| 20:30.34 | Bounty | which is why i put a disclaimer to players to atleast have models set to high |
| 20:30.37 | Bounty | to fix that for the moment |
| 20:32.04 | Xaragoth | that's not a viable fix for players |
| 20:32.12 | Bounty | [16:30] <Bounty> to fix that for the moment |
| 20:32.13 | Bounty | [16:30] <Bounty> to fix that for the moment |
| 20:32.19 | Xaragoth | the other way around would be a viable fix |
| 20:32.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:32.22 | Xaragoth | because anyone can go to low |
| 20:32.31 | Xaragoth | but going to high isn't that easy as a fix |
| 20:32.46 | Bounty | setting models to high wont impact anyones performance |
| 20:32.50 | Bounty | same models are used |
| 20:32.59 | Bounty | but for some reason the disc death |
| 20:33.00 | Deaod | evidently not? |
| 20:33.04 | Bounty | gets effed up |
| 20:33.04 | Bounty | no |
| 20:33.07 | Bounty | its the same model |
| 20:33.11 | Bounty | but its larger for some reason |
| 20:34.58 | Xaragoth | you know |
| 20:35.04 | Xaragoth | it would have been smart of you to make assets |
| 20:35.09 | Xaragoth | that can be selected in better groups |
| 20:35.12 | Bounty | ? |
| 20:35.24 | Xaragoth | I'm currently in the last version I have, to show you what I mean |
| 20:35.29 | Xaragoth | with the coloring of the map |
| 20:35.38 | Xaragoth | and this thing is a mess to edit :P |
| 20:35.44 | Bounty | :) |
| 20:35.56 | Kueken | bounty, low quality uses a DeathModelUnscaled actor, while high uses a default DeathModel one |
| 20:35.57 | Bounty | not to me, but im not a coder so |
| 20:36.11 | Bounty | ah |
| 20:36.17 | Bounty | anyway to fix thta Kueken? |
| 20:36.22 | Xaragoth | i'm not a coder either |
| 20:36.29 | Kueken | you should be able to set that in the actor itself |
| 20:36.41 | Xaragoth | but as a level designer this is ouch to edit |
| 20:36.44 | Kueken | should have a field called low quality death model or something |
| 20:37.16 | Bounty | i wouldnt move anything if i were u Xaragoth lol |
| 20:37.28 | Otixa | slaps Xara |
| 20:37.30 | RipperRoo | dont trust kueken ! |
| 20:37.33 | RipperRoo | he is german :O |
| 20:37.52 | Kueken | so what |
| 20:38.14 | Kueken | better as if I would be swedish, then my nickname would be innapropriate ;) |
| 20:38.21 | RipperRoo | xD |
| 20:40.00 | Bounty | woo |
| 20:40.04 | Bounty | someone is streaming Photon Discs :) |
| 20:40.08 | Bounty | http://www.twitch.tv/tubbythefat |
| 20:41.20 | Vailreth | i wish i could save a custom loading bar |
| 20:42.54 | Xaragoth | hrm, hrm |
| 20:43.02 | Xaragoth | xara found good way to do something |
| 20:43.05 | Xaragoth | xara test thingy |
| 20:43.10 | Bounty | Grand Master players seem to really like the game lol |
| 20:43.36 | Xaragoth | it's probably a really nice time sink for them due to the different perspective |
| 20:43.43 | Xaragoth | less stressful for them, I guess |
| 20:43.54 | Bounty | They seem to prefer Photon Ball |
| 20:43.56 | Bounty | like most players |
| 20:45.35 | Repo | New announcement: Curse Author Reward Premium Improvements! - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/curse-author-reward-premium-improvements/ |
| 20:45.37 | Xaragoth | guess it has something from UT |
| 20:46.11 | Xaragoth | or maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with the other modes, but you can't be sure of that without proper data gathering tools :/ |
| 20:46.30 | Mexa | Bounty, you would sound more professional if you type out your words. Just saying. |
| 20:46.49 | Mexa | *look |
| 20:46.53 | Bounty | what? |
| 20:47.11 | Mexa | Thinking about all the times you use u and ur and such :> |
| 20:47.22 | Bounty | sorry? lol |
| 20:47.28 | Bounty | You're gay |
| 20:47.30 | Bounty | better? |
| 20:47.31 | Bounty | <3 |
| 20:47.37 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:47.47 | Bounty | i know what you're saying though |
| 20:47.50 | Mexa | Of course |
| 20:48.00 | Bounty | i seem to get into these bits that i do that for awhile |
| 20:49.10 | Otixa | UDK is being fucktarded ¬_¬ |
| 20:50.29 | Kueken | I dnno what ure sayin mexa |
| 20:50.44 | Kueken | who types out word on the internet? |
| 20:51.10 | Mexa | I do, whenever I can. |
| 20:51.32 | Mexa | I don't see why not. It only looks silly when you don't. |
| 20:51.43 | Otixa | Xaragoth |
| 20:51.50 | Xaragoth | yes? |
| 20:52.19 | Otixa | Why would UDK not build a Uscript project, considering it builds all the other custom ones? ;/ |
| 20:53.56 | Xaragoth | because it hates you |
| 20:54.50 | Otixa | Well, derp |
| 21:02.34 | Otixa | meh, finally |
| 21:02.44 | Otixa | Forgot to add it to EditPackages |
| 21:02.45 | Otixa | ¬¬ |
| 21:05.27 | Xaragoth | nub |
| 21:05.35 | Xaragoth | but blame the udk for your fail! |
| 21:05.38 | Xaragoth | it always works! |
| 21:05.38 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 21:09.15 | Otixa | :D |
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| 21:15.08 | Ashamed | Fake it until you make it |
| 21:16.08 | Otixa | smacks Ashamed |
| 21:17.01 | Ashamed | Fake until you make it |
| 21:19.01 | Bounty | Sent over new version of Photon Discs Xaragoth |
| 21:19.08 | Xaragoth | kk |
| 21:19.43 | Bounty | Increases level cap and adds new larger map for TDM and DM >< |
| 21:21.19 | Currydevil | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35414434/NewStartegoRed.png |
| 21:22.10 | Bounty | nice |
| 21:22.16 | Bounty | >< |
| 21:22.23 | Bounty | how goes the scout? lolol |
| 21:22.31 | Currydevil | the scout is fucking done! |
| 21:22.45 | Currydevil | if you're on when i get off work tonight, i'll show you |
| 21:22.45 | Bounty | finished him? |
| 21:22.51 | Bounty | nice |
| 21:22.59 | Currydevil | long range attacks in a straight line only |
| 21:23.07 | Currydevil | so you can't attack to the left/right of your line |
| 21:23.13 | Bounty | :( |
| 21:23.19 | Bounty | that stinks |
| 21:23.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:23.22 | Currydevil | target has to be directly ahead |
| 21:23.33 | Currydevil | or directly left/right/down |
| 21:24.08 | Currydevil | i really don't want to mess with trying to add in more targets. -.- |
| 21:24.52 | Currydevil | but it makes sense. You can only move in straight lines, you can only attack what is to your left/right/up/down |
| 21:25.11 | Currydevil | so from the scouts position, he can attack anything directly infront, behind or left and right of him |
| 21:25.30 | Currydevil | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35414434/StartegoCompilation.png and I still like some of these lol. |
| 21:26.06 | Currydevil | Anyways, I have to get ready for work. i'll be back ~10:30 pst |
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| 21:36.19 | Xapti | I think I like the 2nd and 3rd |
| 21:36.52 | Currydevil | 2ns is my favorite |
| 21:37.07 | Currydevil | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35414434/NewStartegoRed.png this is going to be it though, I think. |
| 21:37.27 | Currydevil | simple and sweet. I might use one of the others for the loading screen |
| 21:41.59 | Xaragoth | you know bounty |
| 21:42.01 | Xaragoth | if you made a jungle |
| 21:42.07 | Xaragoth | for the photon discs |
| 21:42.10 | Xaragoth | instead of the tron-style |
| 21:42.13 | Xaragoth | that could look really nice |
| 21:42.27 | Bounty | I've thought about how much of a benefit breaking the style would be |
| 21:42.41 | Xaragoth | old toss ruins with lots of plants and overgrowth so the disc-throwing stands out more |
| 21:42.50 | Xaragoth | as well as the players |
| 21:42.57 | Xaragoth | also pleasing to the eye if done right |
| 21:43.12 | Xaragoth | that reminds me |
| 21:43.14 | Bounty | stuff like that requires for PC power aswell though |
| 21:43.16 | Xaragoth | did you guys see the reset trailer? |
| 21:43.24 | Bounty | more* |
| 21:43.31 | Bounty | nope, i dont really play games anymore |
| 21:43.35 | Bounty | just the ones i make lol |
| 21:43.42 | Xaragoth | http://youtu.be/KLd8kEQJIzw |
| 21:44.04 | Xaragoth | it's all in-game graphics |
| 21:44.08 | Xaragoth | it's so beautiful, i wants it |
| 21:44.44 | Xapti | Xaragoth my dodge ball map used jungle set |
| 21:44.51 | Xapti | err aiur at least, if that counts |
| 21:45.05 | Xapti | I think bounty's theme is fine though |
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| 21:45.24 | Bounty | i dont think that last part is in game graphics Xara |
| 21:45.27 | Bounty | at 2:00 |
| 21:45.30 | Bounty | no way |
| 21:45.45 | Xaragoth | Everything you see in the trailer is straight from the in-game engine, no up-ressed textures, geometry or effects. What you see is what you will get. Except hopefully a little bit better since we're not even in alpha yet. |
| 21:46.16 | Xaragoth | funny thing? |
| 21:46.22 | Xaragoth | it's two fucking people doing it |
| 21:46.22 | Xaragoth | two |
| 21:47.08 | Bounty | not really surprising imo |
| 21:47.19 | Bounty | i'm one person and im a complete idiot and look what i can do |
| 21:47.29 | Bounty | and chances are those guys are smarter than everyone in this room |
| 21:47.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:47.44 | Bounty | combined |
| 21:48.11 | Xaragoth | smarter is the wrong word for it |
| 21:48.19 | Bounty | skilled |
| 21:48.21 | Xaragoth | they just got more experience and skill |
| 21:48.27 | Xaragoth | doesn't make 'em smarter |
| 21:48.27 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 21:48.35 | Bounty | fair enough >< |
| 21:48.39 | Xaragoth | just less lazy :P |
| 21:49.52 | Xaragoth | but I LOVE their rain |
| 21:49.55 | Xaragoth | and the plants |
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| 21:52.01 | Xaragoth | but ye |
| 21:52.13 | Xapti | frictional games is jut 5-6 people (aside form contract work) they've made great game Amnesia/Penumbra |
| 21:52.22 | Xaragoth | true |
| 21:52.29 | Xaragoth | but not that visually incredible |
| 21:52.40 | Xaragoth | it's a great game, but it would be better if it had that kind of visuals |
| 21:52.45 | Xaragoth | nobody would play it though |
| 21:52.48 | Xaragoth | we'd be all scared shitless |
| 21:52.49 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 21:52.55 | Xaragoth | *all be |
| 21:53.11 | Xapti | The game's already like 6 years old though or something |
| 22:01.43 | Xaragoth | Bounty: update is up |
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| 22:04.09 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg http://i.imgur.com/j9INA.jpg |
| 22:04.21 | IskatuMesk | the testicle has a rod now. |
| 22:05.06 | Mexa | TESTICLE? |
| 22:05.12 | Mexa | erh, wups, caps |
| 22:05.18 | IskatuMesk | yes. |
| 22:05.19 | JademusSreg | Sexy. |
| 22:05.20 | IskatuMesk | it's prickly. |
| 22:05.42 | IskatuMesk | The rod is basically a beam turret, with some special abilities like a blink |
| 22:06.23 | IskatuMesk | Still need to decide what I want the CC and fabrication buildings to look like |
| 22:07.27 | IskatuMesk | once I'm confident enough in my abilities I'll try to model that big ship |
| 22:07.39 | IskatuMesk | and then, if that goes well, the flagship |
| 22:07.52 | IskatuMesk | the flagship is a big one because a lot of cinematics need it. |
| 22:08.02 | JademusSreg | And then a ship made of flags. |
| 22:08.05 | IskatuMesk | It will be extremely high detail |
| 22:08.19 | IskatuMesk | but I suck at detail so that's why I hesitate. |
| 22:18.46 | Otixa | Hrm... |
| 22:18.56 | Otixa | Y particles no spawn? |
| 22:20.34 | A1win | ugh I need a better description for this map D: |
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| 22:50.08 | A1win | mmh I changed my map's category from custom to co-op vs AI, but it's still showing in the custom category on bnet... will it change or is it locked to what it originally was? |
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| 23:01.42 | egod | hey nerds |
| 23:01.46 | egod | have a question |
| 23:02.08 | egod | how the fuk i remove the dman black little square in the Blizzard UI via triggers?!? |
| 23:02.21 | egod | right side of the screen |
| 23:03.25 | A1win | move it off-screen with the custom layout file |
| 23:03.31 | egod | Bonus Question: Anyone Gonna play GUildWars2 BETA this week-end? |
| 23:03.54 | egod | A1win what the name of this square? |
| 23:04.03 | egod | so i can move out |
| 23:04.07 | A1win | it's the background for the microphone button |
| 23:04.29 | egod | hm |
| 23:04.32 | A1win | (also, the microphone button will be there when you're online) |
| 23:04.37 | Vailreth | the battlenet button frame |
| 23:04.39 | Vailreth | ? |
| 23:05.39 | egod | yeah but |
| 23:05.56 | egod | in UI FRAME TYPE, what his name? |
| 23:06.02 | egod | Battle UI ?! |
| 23:06.10 | egod | Pylon Button?! |
| 23:06.41 | Vailreth | <Frame type="Image" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/BattleNetButtonFriendsFrameImage" file="GameUI"> |
| 23:06.42 | Vailreth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.27 | egod | oh |
| 23:08.45 | Vailreth | </Frame> |
| 23:08.54 | Vailreth | sorry for got the close frame tag |
| 23:09.20 | Vailreth | i think that is what you mean |
| 23:09.42 | egod | looking for it |
| 23:18.46 | egod | i got it "Set BattleNet Button Offset". |
| 23:18.53 | egod | easy, thx lot Vailreth |
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| 23:52.20 | egod | Guld Wars 2 DL ---- at 55% Zzzzzzzzzz |
| 23:57.45 | egod | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/images/40/641/Screenshot2012-04-26_19_51_33.jpg |
| 23:58.53 | egod | User interface 2012 :D |
