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| 00:11.51 | Mexa | heyey |
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| 00:13.04 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 00:13.46 | Mexa | heyo |
| 00:15.50 | Bounty | I'm so pooped on coming up with ideas |
| 00:15.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:16.24 | Ahli | burned out? |
| 00:16.28 | Bounty | a tad |
| 00:16.36 | Bounty | after i added the new map for TDM and DM |
| 00:16.42 | Bounty | plus the new ranks + new model |
| 00:16.44 | Bounty | so pooped |
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| 00:21.33 | Delemen | Any data wizards handy? |
| 00:22.48 | Ahli | you need to write the words: kueken jademussreg and someone will help you |
| 00:23.24 | Kueken | You summoned me? |
| 00:24.52 | Delemen | I would like to create a beam weapon, that advances slowly? |
| 00:25.04 | Delemen | So, it'll work like an "Effect - Target" |
| 00:25.14 | Delemen | I'm thinking I might need to use a dummy unit. |
| 00:25.32 | Delemen | So, the ability is cast. Dummy unit is created. Dummy unit is issued order to move towards target point of ability cast. |
| 00:25.42 | Delemen | All the while the dummy unit is being attacked by the casting unit (Voidray weapon art) |
| 00:25.55 | Delemen | And the dummy unit maybe has a search area for a unit to deal damage to? |
| 00:26.21 | Kueken | a dummy unit would be possible |
| 00:26.29 | Kueken | there are some other possibilities as well |
| 00:26.46 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/OneMoreGame they want to play star strikers |
| 00:27.11 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/15463-how-to-make-an-ability-with-a-beam-that-moves/#p10 |
| 00:27.30 | Kueken | that one uses a missile launch to get your desired effect |
| 00:28.13 | Kueken | it would also be possible to go the Colossus route by attaching the beam to a mover site actor, that is probably the most complex way |
| 00:29.34 | Delemen | Hmm. I would ideally like for the Beam to deal damage over time at the point it hits the ground. |
| 00:29.41 | Delemen | So I think a dummy unit |
| 00:29.45 | Delemen | that is immune to the damage type |
| 00:29.50 | Kueken | that is possible with all 3 of the approaches |
| 00:29.54 | Delemen | and make the weapon have AoE |
| 00:30.12 | Delemen | So the Dummy Unit moves towards point, while the casting unit is attacking it |
| 00:30.20 | Kueken | I would noz use an actual damage, though |
| 00:30.23 | Kueken | *not |
| 00:30.56 | Kueken | *an actual weapon -.- |
| 00:31.16 | Kueken | you can execute the damage effect by the ability directly |
| 00:32.14 | Delemen | Okay, Beams is where I ultimately know nothing. |
| 00:32.25 | Delemen | I was going to cheat by having the Casting unit have the voidray weapon |
| 00:32.32 | Kueken | :) |
| 00:32.53 | Delemen | Then, Ability Cast to target point - Spawn Unit & Issue Order (move to point) - Issue Order (attack dummy unit) |
| 00:33.29 | Kueken | it would work, but it might not be the best approach, since it would have some issues |
| 00:34.33 | Kueken | you would need to make the dummy invisible, uncommandable etc, you would need to hide the weapon, you would need to disable the weapon to hit anything besides the dummy etc etc |
| 00:34.44 | Kueken | not saying you could not get it to work at all |
| 00:35.29 | Delemen | Mover Site Actor sounds the cleanest... and most complicated... but... intended method |
| 00:35.32 | Delemen | for this type of effect |
| 00:35.55 | Kueken | if you want to learn about beams, I recommend a tutorial |
| 00:35.58 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/3939-data-working-with-beams-beginner-difficulty/ |
| 00:36.48 | Kueken | its quite hard to explain the mover sites to you, especially, if you hardly know, how to handle beams |
| 00:37.10 | Delemen | The stalker entropy lance is a missile right? |
| 00:37.14 | Kueken | yes |
| 00:37.25 | Delemen | Hmm might be able to just scale that up hehe |
| 00:37.31 | Kueken | :) |
| 00:37.49 | Delemen | It's an instant damage effect - I wanted the beam to launch quickly in a line from caster to point - but then to stop if it hits a unit |
| 00:38.27 | JademusSreg | A dummy unit is probably not necessary. I've made beams that rake the ground, but not beams that "track" a target. That sounds fyun. |
| 00:38.35 | JademusSreg | And fun. |
| 00:40.32 | Kueken | you could also have a look at the GAx3 mod, which has some useful trigger functions to control beams, for example to move them over time |
| 00:45.06 | Delemen | My next question would be a guided missile... |
| 00:45.26 | Delemen | Missile unit with search area + redirect? Validating whether or not it already has a target? |
| 00:46.25 | Kueken | guided missile as in tracks one target |
| 00:46.27 | Kueken | ? |
| 00:46.56 | Delemen | guided as in, you target a point - the missile fly's towards the point. If a unit gets within range, say area of 3, of the missile, it turns slowly towards that target |
| 00:47.06 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 00:47.12 | Kueken | for a missile, there is no way I know of to change the path of the missile |
| 00:47.19 | Kueken | *target |
| 00:47.31 | Kueken | so you would need a workaround |
| 00:47.38 | Delemen | Hmm. Dummy unit with some kind of mover? |
| 00:47.47 | Delemen | For example a baneling that can only turn slowly? |
| 00:48.00 | Kueken | like, if it detects a unit in the target area, destroy old missile and start a new one from the current missile location |
| 00:48.01 | Delemen | spawn + attack move to target point? |
| 00:48.22 | JademusSreg | Missile movers are pretty flexible, but if you want to change the target midflight, you can have the missile apply a new launch missile effect. |
| 00:48.35 | Kueken | simulating a ḿissile by a dummy unit works as well |
| 00:48.37 | JademusSreg | And suicide itself, of ocurse. |
| 00:48.46 | JademusSreg | *of course |
| 00:49.09 | JademusSreg | Same principle for a cluster missile, only it's only releasing one. |
| 00:49.34 | Kueken | for your missile, the hard part will probably be to make it look like the missile never died |
| 00:50.01 | JademusSreg | Depends on the mover, which is to say the position of the missile. |
| 00:50.19 | JademusSreg | Suicide (Remove) is a standard effect, as I recall. |
| 00:50.40 | JademusSreg | So a set effect that launches and then suicides should occur in the same tick. |
| 00:51.06 | Kueken | its hard to match the new velocity/angle/everything to the old values |
| 00:51.47 | JademusSreg | Meh, like I said, depends on the mover. |
| 00:51.53 | Kueken | but you could probably add some sort of transition effect |
| 00:51.55 | JademusSreg | It certainly isn't feasible in all cases. |
| 00:52.00 | Kueken | its not a bug, its a feature ;) |
| 00:52.51 | Delemen | Yeah, there will be too many things to overcome, visually and stylistically, for a missile to redirect itself mid flight |
| 00:53.08 | Delemen | The mover would have to initially launch slowly, speed up quickly to constant speed |
| 00:53.20 | Delemen | The newly spawned missile would differ in that it doesn't launch slowly, yet starts at the constant speed |
| 00:53.36 | Delemen | And then possibly speed up when it reaches its target to ensure a hit when it's close |
| 00:53.48 | JademusSreg | Yes, that would be a problem. |
| 00:54.06 | Delemen | A dummy unit however, can have a slow turning rate - which is a lot simpler |
| 00:54.12 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:54.19 | Delemen | just timed life + attack-move to point |
| 00:54.23 | JademusSreg | Definitely the optimal solution in that case. |
| 00:58.48 | Delemen | Hmm. On Attack Actors, where can I define what happens at the launch + impact? |
| 00:59.01 | Delemen | For example the stalkers emit a blue glow on firing and a little electrical discharge on impact |
| 01:01.08 | Ahli | uhm, how can I get rid of the selection radius whenever you hover over a unit with mouse? ;S |
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| 01:02.17 | Delemen | @Ahli: Have a look at the actors with 'selection' in there names. |
| 01:02.22 | Delemen | It's either PreSelect |
| 01:02.47 | Delemen | or LocalSelect |
| 01:03.07 | Delemen | Opacity to 0 should cause it to never show. |
| 01:03.11 | Ahli | oh, I only want to not have it on one unit |
| 01:04.05 | Delemen | Try removing the _Selectable tag from the Actor: Aliases on the unit you wish to effect. |
| 01:04.23 | Delemen | *guessing at this point, but worth a try. |
| 01:04.47 | Delemen | Or as a cheap trick, set the UI: Height of the unit to -0.01 |
| 01:04.53 | Delemen | It might render under the terrain :) |
| 01:06.42 | Kueken | nope |
| 01:06.58 | Kueken | height of unit cannot go below ground |
| 01:07.14 | Kueken | however, you can use an actor site operation to achieve that |
| 01:07.23 | Delemen | I know for a fact it can... I used the AgriaCrop.m3 in an actor with default -2.0 Height. |
| 01:07.33 | Delemen | It had an effect that added +2 height over 20 seconds to simulate growing. |
| 01:07.50 | Ahli | I just tried the heigh, but -0.2 wasn't far enough. -1 worked |
| 01:07.58 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 01:08.01 | Delemen | yay I'm better than Kueken |
| 01:08.03 | Ahli | I'm already using units with -2 default heigh, then I lift them |
| 01:08.04 | Delemen | Give me all the minerals. |
| 01:08.04 | Kueken | :D |
| 01:08.16 | Ahli | because I can't sink them into the ground :S |
| 01:08.25 | Ahli | without them starting down there |
| 01:08.27 | Delemen | Here's one for you Kueken... Hmm. On Attack Actors, where can I define what happens at the launch + impact? For example the stalkers emit a blue glow on firing and a little electrical discharge on impact. |
| 01:08.51 | Kueken | every attack has an action actor |
| 01:09.10 | Kueken | which has fields, which are called Launch Assets and Impact Map |
| 01:09.26 | Kueken | which define sound and visual effect on launch and impact |
| 01:09.43 | Delemen | Yeah, I'm there. The Launch Assets for the Stalker has nothing in the Art Model field |
| 01:10.06 | Delemen | Ahh Impact Map, I see it now :) |
| 01:10.27 | Kueken | then the launch effect is the birth effect for the stalker missile, probably |
| 01:10.39 | Kueken | or its in the attack animation of the actor model |
| 01:10.50 | Kueken | for the stalker |
| 01:11.48 | Ahli | "start asset" -> launch model |
| 01:12.36 | Ahli | like marine's weapons have small explosion models attached to their guns. |
| 01:14.00 | Ahli | ok, now my cathedral entrance has a tooltip saying that you can actually use the entrance |
| 01:15.54 | Kueken | congratz |
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| 01:38.17 | Delemen | Can I CatalogFieldValueSet a button's hotkey? |
| 01:38.57 | Delemen | Or do I have to create dummy abilities for each possible key-mapping, and stack them in the command card and use show/hide requirements? |
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| 01:43.11 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
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| 01:49.56 | Delemen | Okay - say I want an ability to set up two points |
| 01:50.03 | Delemen | and then cause an effect between both of these points? |
| 01:50.12 | Delemen | Is it possible for an ability to have two parts like that? |
| 01:50.48 | Delemen | So I cast ability target point A, then the game will automatically have my unit ready another ability to cast the second point? |
| 01:51.04 | Delemen | And once both points are cast - an effect (triggered most likely) will occur between the two points? |
| 01:51.45 | A1win | targeting is client side, I don't think that's possible |
| 01:51.56 | Delemen | I'm thinking maybe dummy it then... so the ability has 2 charges. |
| 01:52.14 | Delemen | The player can just shift+click (waypoint) to use both charges, game will detect if both abilities are cast, maybe spawning a dummy unit |
| 01:52.20 | Delemen | Then trigger the effect between the two pints? |
| 01:52.46 | A1win | well sure you can detect an ability being used twice in a row |
| 01:52.57 | A1win | ...at least with triggers |
| 01:54.00 | A1win | save the first target point to a variable, and when the ability is used, check if the variable has a point in it, if yes, do something between that point and the new point, and reset the variable |
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| 01:54.47 | A1win | why would you need charges though? |
| 01:55.46 | Delemen | Because the effect involves something happening between point A and point B |
| 01:55.59 | A1win | but why would you need charges for that? |
| 01:56.52 | Delemen | Because, the ability can't have a cooldown. It must simply require both charges being used quickly to initiate |
| 01:57.06 | Delemen | This way I can give it a theoretical cooldown as it requires both charges. |
| 01:57.21 | Delemen | Giving it a normal cooldown wouldn't allow the player to cast it twice and designate the 'line' area of effect. |
| 01:57.26 | A1win | why not just control it with triggers since you'd have to detect it with triggers anyway |
| 01:59.44 | Delemen | Because controlling an abilities cooldown with triggers is unintuitive when I can simply give my ability two charges. |
| 02:00.35 | A1win | isn't that even more unintuitive to the user who'd think the ability has two charges? |
| 02:01.04 | Delemen | Not if the user can read a tooltip. |
| 02:01.25 | Kueken | A second... I made a snipe, which allowed to select multiple targets some years ago... :D |
| 02:01.28 | A1win | that's a dangerous assumption :P |
| 02:01.36 | A1win | users don't read |
| 02:02.06 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/14984-multi-target-ability/#p13 |
| 02:02.36 | Kueken | btw you can add multiple charges and hide the charge count |
| 02:02.59 | Kueken | and the ability in the post is data-only |
| 02:03.04 | A1win | true |
| 02:03.17 | Kueken | however, its not exactly, what you need ;) |
| 02:03.54 | Kueken | easiest way to select 2 points is usually by taking the position of the caster + the target point instead |
| 02:05.11 | Kueken | oh |
| 02:05.20 | Kueken | its not data-only |
| 02:05.21 | Kueken | xD |
| 02:05.25 | Kueken | I thought it was |
| 02:05.41 | Kueken | but apparently it uses triggers |
| 02:05.54 | Delemen | I can make my version data only :) |
| 02:06.06 | Kueken | granted, it was 1.5 years ago, now I know how to do the stuff in data |
| 02:06.31 | Delemen | Effect - Target point... Create Unit... unit has search area for similar unit, belonging to player, unit shows range of this search area |
| 02:06.42 | Delemen | cast another spawn unit within range of first unit |
| 02:06.52 | Delemen | search area creates whatever effect between the two units |
| 02:07.40 | Ahli | I wonder how much we know and can do in 1.5 years :o |
| 02:07.58 | Delemen | HotS will most likely break everything. :) |
| 02:08.20 | A1win | SC2 engine is too limited for anything interesting enough |
| 02:08.27 | Delemen | The devs will realise that crunchtiming a bunch of half arsed legacy features into WoL was a bad idea, and they'll all commit suicide realising that there's another one to come after HotS |
| 02:08.42 | A1win | (for me) |
| 02:09.14 | A1win | I'll probably just get this map done and then sink into diablo 3 |
| 02:16.20 | Delemen | Yes. Because Diablo 3 will have so much more modding potential... |
| 02:16.31 | Delemen | Anyone know the name of the model used in the campaign to highlight units to be put into bunkers? |
| 02:16.32 | A1win | :P that's not what I meant |
| 02:16.37 | Delemen | It's like a red targetting square |
| 02:16.45 | A1win | I was talking about how I spend my time |
| 02:16.47 | Delemen | Can't remember the map I checked to find it last |
| 02:17.33 | A1win | also doing indie game dev, so modding is getting less and less interesting |
| 02:18.53 | Delemen | what indie games are you devving? |
| 02:20.31 | A1win | just one ;p called "Intruder Alert!" |
| 02:25.41 | A1win | sleep time -> |
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| 02:36.52 | Delemen | Hmm. I have the first part of the ability up and ready, I can designate two points. |
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| 05:19.05 | Currydevil | Hmm, bounty is conveniently not here when I am. |
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| 05:37.02 | Xapti | Delemen I know what you're talking about, but I haven't seen it in ages so I don't remember what it looks like |
| 05:37.22 | Xapti | maybe the laser drill uses the same model? |
| 05:44.09 | Currydevil | there is one in the ui model folder |
| 05:45.37 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/sZ2y1.jpg that one? |
| 05:46.09 | Currydevil | laser drill uses the red circle with small pointers |
| 05:46.32 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/7ZJ7j.jpg <- laser drill |
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| 06:19.06 | Kueken | any way to render HDR portraits above dialogs? |
| 06:19.51 | Currydevil | uhh dialog image? |
| 06:40.50 | Kueken | @ Currydevil: animated 3D portraits of course |
| 06:41.29 | Kueken | I want to abuse them to show animated models in dialogs |
| 06:44.09 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 06:44.20 | Currydevil | there was someone doing something of the sort. |
| 06:44.45 | Currydevil | he recreated the help dialog stuff and had a preview window with a rotating 3d model against a black background. |
| 06:44.47 | Currydevil | but.. |
| 06:45.00 | Currydevil | then again, i think he had the acutal unit on the map and rotating |
| 06:45.07 | Currydevil | in a little 'window' in the dialog |
| 06:45.30 | Currydevil | actual* |
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| 07:35.13 | Otixa | kicks Bibendus |
| 07:35.25 | Bibendus | thanks |
| 07:35.25 | Bibendus | :D |
| 07:35.30 | Otixa | :P |
| 07:35.35 | Otixa | Sup? |
| 07:36.20 | Bibendus | nuthin special :D |
| 07:36.27 | Bibendus | did u try dk? :D |
| 07:36.32 | Otixa | dk? |
| 07:36.37 | Bibendus | hive keeper |
| 07:36.38 | Bibendus | sorry :D |
| 07:36.40 | Otixa | oh |
| 07:36.47 | Otixa | Nope, haven't played SC2 in ages |
| 07:36.48 | Otixa | @_@ |
| 07:37.10 | Otixa | Gonna go check it out in a bit |
| 07:37.34 | Otixa | You any good at UDK? :P |
| 07:38.41 | Otixa | prods Bibendus |
| 07:39.35 | Bibendus | :D |
| 07:39.41 | Bibendus | nope |
| 07:39.46 | Bibendus | u mean the unreal engine? |
| 07:39.51 | Otixa | ye |
| 07:40.19 | Otixa | Go learn! @_@ |
| 07:55.02 | Bibendus | :d |
| 07:55.03 | Bibendus | why |
| 07:55.03 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 07:55.08 | Bibendus | btw i must leaveto grill |
| 07:55.08 | Bibendus | :P |
| 07:55.09 | Bibendus | bye |
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| 12:26.01 | Delemen | Hoi |
| 12:26.16 | Delemen | Does the unit flag 'Untargettable' mean that Search Area effects won't pick up that uni? |
| 12:33.25 | Ahli | I guess search area would find it, but I'm not 100% sure. |
| 12:49.05 | Delemen | Anyone know of a fire.m3 that doesn't have so much 'smoke' coming out of it? |
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| 13:02.24 | Delemen | Ello Kueken :) |
| 13:02.36 | Kueken | morning |
| 13:03.00 | Delemen | Your multiple snipe target map... Took one look... saw about 20 effects and behaviours... lol'd ^_^ |
| 13:03.42 | Kueken | oh, then you probably shouldn't look at my other maps xD |
| 13:04.15 | Kueken | I made this entry for the creature contest, which had like 450+ actors for a single unit |
| 13:04.39 | Delemen | haha :) |
| 13:04.50 | Delemen | I have my Fire Wall ability set up |
| 13:05.00 | Delemen | Has two charges. Player places only one, nothing happens. |
| 13:05.03 | Delemen | Player places two within 3 seconds |
| 13:05.09 | Delemen | A fire wall appears between them for x duration |
| 13:05.31 | Delemen | 100% data |
| 13:05.40 | Kueken | gz |
| 13:05.44 | Delemen | which is mainly a test... now I can create my area bombardment |
| 13:05.53 | Delemen | *strafing bombardment* |
| 13:07.15 | Delemen | WaterSplash.m3 and WaterDrops.m3 are the only particle/vfx effects that remotely resemble water? |
| 13:09.25 | Delemen | XelNagaArtefactSpell.m3 can pass as some kind of space-water. I guess. |
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| 14:26.14 | JademusSreg | Pew pew/ |
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| 15:01.48 | Ashamed | ITS AAAAAAAAAAA TRAP! |
| 15:03.15 | Kueken | -.- |
| 15:03.36 | Kueken | half an hour of bugfixing for a > instead of < in a for loop |
| 15:21.25 | Dustin | lol Kueken |
| 15:21.29 | Dustin | Ive done that shit before |
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| 15:45.29 | Delemen | Kuekens a noob :D |
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| 16:12.53 | Delemen | Okay, say I want a shockwave ability, that does damage from a point, and moves outwards? |
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| 16:21.13 | Kueken | Delemen: Create Persistent -> Search -> Damage |
| 16:21.44 | Delemen | How would I increment the search area? |
| 16:21.46 | Kueken | you can specify an increment value in the area of the search, that will be added for each execution by the persistent |
| 16:22.08 | Delemen | Radius Bonus |
| 16:22.12 | Kueken | yes |
| 16:22.12 | Delemen | Is that the increment value? |
| 16:22.20 | Delemen | Ahaaa... Always wondered what that did... haha |
| 16:22.32 | Delemen | So, each time it runs? |
| 16:22.37 | Kueken | yes |
| 16:22.52 | Kueken | you can probably skip the search, the damage effect supports an area as well |
| 16:23.05 | Delemen | Was looking at the 03_Valerian - Artefact... But it didn't seem to make much sense. |
| 16:23.11 | Kueken | but I like to include a search, makes it easier to add additional effects |
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| 17:15.56 | Dustin | Can buildings not have submenus? |
| 17:16.11 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 17:17.05 | Dustin | Maybe its something with the Test Shop blizzard made that wont allow them |
| 17:21.17 | A1win | buildings are just like any other units |
| 17:22.49 | Dustin | I know that's why Im confused |
| 17:27.08 | A1win | any feedback on my tutorial cutscene? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlxrH3gTJN0 |
| 17:37.03 | Dustin | So a submenu cant just contain icons |
| 17:37.06 | Dustin | or it doesnt show |
| 17:37.40 | A1win | yeah |
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| 18:03.24 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09RUuTAM2H0 |
| 18:25.22 | Mexa | Jademus? |
| 18:25.56 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:26.26 | Mexa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/graph.png I'm not entirely sure what I should firgure out with my ColorSim ._. |
| 18:26.31 | Mexa | *figure |
| 18:26.48 | Mexa | Mostly that it's noise back and forwards. |
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| 18:27.28 | Mexa | Oh and yeah, I know I have too many samnples now. |
| 18:27.30 | JademusSreg | What kind of curve does it exhibit? |
| 18:27.32 | Mexa | *samples |
| 18:28.36 | Mexa | Well, all of them are pending up and down, like a curve of irregular amplitudes. |
| 18:29.38 | Mexa | Hmm, I should plot them individually with lerping, I guess. |
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| 19:10.51 | MacSC2 | hmmm |
| 19:11.06 | MacSC2 | hi |
| 19:11.08 | MacSC2 | 3: |
| 19:11.29 | MacSC2 | what is this place ? |
| 19:11.46 | JademusSreg | Utopia. |
| 19:12.15 | MacSC2 | Do you know how often Prozaic is connected here ? |
| 19:12.47 | JademusSreg | Whenever he is summoned, and I just happen to know the ritual. |
| 19:12.57 | JademusSreg | But for what purpose do you seek him? |
| 19:13.06 | MacSC2 | for one of hist tutorials |
| 19:13.09 | MacSC2 | his* |
| 19:13.45 | JademusSreg | That's not terribly informative. =D |
| 19:13.45 | MacSC2 | Dynamic Beam Chain |
| 19:13.47 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:14.08 | MacSC2 | i want to know how to make it an ability |
| 19:14.37 | MacSC2 | i tried, but it doesn't work 3: |
| 19:15.27 | JademusSreg | begins the ritual. |
| 19:15.47 | MacSC2 | O.o |
| 19:16.50 | MacSC2 | hmmm |
| 19:16.55 | JademusSreg | I am channeling the spirit of the prozaic muzes. |
| 19:17.06 | MacSC2 | -_- |
| 19:17.15 | MacSC2 | Can anyone of you help meh ? |
| 19:17.26 | JademusSreg | He says he is in the process of revamping all of his tutorials and it will be workable in the future. |
| 19:17.56 | MacSC2 | ikr |
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| 19:18.17 | MacSC2 | his tutorial is good |
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| 19:18.19 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v ProzaicMuze] by ChanServ |
| 19:18.28 | ProzaicMuze | I have been summoned |
| 19:18.37 | MacSC2 | 3: |
| 19:18.48 | MacSC2 | are you prosaic ? |
| 19:18.52 | MacSC2 | prozaic* |
| 19:19.01 | JademusSreg | That's what it says on the tin. |
| 19:19.03 | ProzaicMuze | No, I am a cheap imitation of his glorious self |
| 19:19.23 | MacSC2 | in dinnamic beam chain tutorial |
| 19:19.31 | MacSC2 | how do i make it an ability ? |
| 19:19.36 | Dustin | lol |
| 19:19.52 | Dustin | Just set your ability effect to the dynamic beam launch |
| 19:20.24 | MacSC2 | what is the launch ? |
| 19:20.31 | Vailreth | as long as you are here Prozaic i have something of grave importance to tell you |
| 19:20.32 | ProzaicMuze | Take the first effect of the weapon's effect chain and tack it onto the end of an ability |
| 19:20.37 | Vailreth | Hello, that is all |
| 19:20.39 | Dustin | ^ |
| 19:20.42 | ProzaicMuze | Sir |
| 19:20.43 | MacSC2 | oh ok |
| 19:20.45 | MacSC2 | thx |
| 19:20.46 | MacSC2 | but |
| 19:20.47 | ProzaicMuze | that is the most imporant thing I have heard all day |
| 19:20.54 | ProzaicMuze | I shall treat this dire message with the utmost of urgency |
| 19:20.56 | MacSC2 | when i cast it |
| 19:20.56 | ProzaicMuze | and reply with |
| 19:20.57 | Kueken | any way to force 3d models regardless of quality settings? |
| 19:21.07 | ProzaicMuze | likewise |
| 19:21.16 | MacSC2 | my hero just goes to the units without doing anything |
| 19:21.29 | MacSC2 | did i made an error in the tutorial ? |
| 19:21.32 | ProzaicMuze | Which type of ability are you using? |
| 19:21.38 | MacSC2 | effect - unit |
| 19:21.54 | Kueken | uh |
| 19:21.59 | Kueken | must be a new one ;) |
| 19:22.04 | MacSC2 | i'm new |
| 19:22.07 | MacSC2 | :$ |
| 19:22.24 | ProzaicMuze | You need to make an effect - target ability |
| 19:22.28 | Kueken | no, I mean the ability type :D |
| 19:22.35 | MacSC2 | effect target |
| 19:22.36 | MacSC2 | sorry |
| 19:22.44 | MacSC2 | effect- target |
| 19:22.49 | MacSC2 | 3: |
| 19:23.00 | Kueken | so the result of the tutorial is a weapon? |
| 19:23.05 | MacSC2 | yup |
| 19:23.10 | Kueken | did that work for you? |
| 19:23.11 | ProzaicMuze | @Kueken are you talking about making the model show for various effects as 3d even on lower settings? |
| 19:23.23 | MacSC2 | i didn't tried the weapon |
| 19:23.33 | Kueken | for specific trigger-created portraits should suffice |
| 19:24.10 | MacSC2 | is it my ability that is incorrect or is it i made an error following the tutorial ? |
| 19:24.16 | Kueken | I made a hero selection involving portraits, and it breaks on lower settings |
| 19:24.22 | Kueken | try the weapon |
| 19:24.33 | MacSC2 | ok |
| 19:24.42 | Kueken | if the weapon doesn't work, you made a mistake following the tutorial |
| 19:24.43 | MacSC2 | brb |
| 19:26.22 | Kueken | oh wow |
| 19:26.39 | Kueken | I missed an "Always use portrait model" flag on the model objects |
| 19:26.44 | Kueken | brb, trying that |
| 19:28.11 | Kueken | seems to have no effect |
| 19:33.34 | MacSC2 | no |
| 19:33.38 | MacSC2 | doesn't work |
| 19:33.39 | MacSC2 | :( |
| 19:34.23 | MacSC2 | Prozaic, if i cast my ability and my hero just follows the other units without doing nothing, in witch part should be me error ? |
| 19:34.33 | MacSC2 | my* |
| 19:34.52 | ProzaicMuze | @Kueken I don't mess much with portraits, so I'd have to poke around, especialy if it involves triggers |
| 19:35.15 | Kueken | @ MacSC2: Could be anything, really |
| 19:35.16 | Vailreth | MacSC2: whats the range and arc of the effect target abilityt? |
| 19:35.20 | ProzaicMuze | If your ability prompts him to follow, he's starting the approach phase of the spell |
| 19:35.25 | ProzaicMuze | and never making it to the cast spell |
| 19:35.53 | ProzaicMuze | This could mean you have validators, target filters or anything that differentiates between targets |
| 19:36.08 | ProzaicMuze | it could also be that your ability doesn't actually start the effect chain, merely allows you to click the button |
| 19:36.14 | MacSC2 | ok |
| 19:36.17 | ProzaicMuze | you'd want to double check that you have the effect referenced in the right field on the ability |
| 19:36.17 | MacSC2 | vailreth |
| 19:36.27 | MacSC2 | arc 0 |
| 19:36.38 | MacSC2 | range : nothing |
| 19:36.46 | MacSC2 | ok |
| 19:36.52 | MacSC2 | thank mozaic |
| 19:36.57 | MacSC2 | prozaic* xD |
| 19:37.06 | MacSC2 | do u work for blizzard ? |
| 19:37.13 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 19:37.23 | ProzaicMuze | some days it would seem like I do, but I do not |
| 19:37.24 | Vailreth | maybe he should |
| 19:37.40 | ProzaicMuze | ^ looking into this ;P |
| 19:38.20 | Vailreth | Prozaic Correct me if i am wrong but wouldnt a Range be needed to cast an ability? |
| 19:38.32 | ProzaicMuze | Problem is, having a data editor encyclopedia doesn't do much for blizzard given they have access to the people who made the editor in the first place lol |
| 19:38.40 | ProzaicMuze | And yes, he would need one |
| 19:38.45 | MacSC2 | :$ |
| 19:38.48 | ProzaicMuze | since it's set to nothing, match the range to the weapon range from the tutorial |
| 19:39.02 | MacSC2 | going to try it with range 10 and arc 360 |
| 19:39.41 | MacSC2 | HOLY FUCK |
| 19:39.48 | MacSC2 | IT WORKKKKSSSSSS |
| 19:40.01 | MacSC2 | i love u guyyyyyyys |
| 19:40.52 | ProzaicMuze | :P |
| 19:41.09 | MacSC2 | hold on |
| 19:41.13 | MacSC2 | i'll try on larger units |
| 19:41.17 | MacSC2 | more spaced* |
| 19:41.29 | MacSC2 | "cause with a bunch of zerglings i only see a Aoe Splash |
| 19:42.09 | MacSC2 | hmmm |
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| 19:43.05 | MacSC2 | i don't see the beam or the lightning between the units ... i only see them die and it happens really fast |
| 19:43.16 | MacSC2 | with an aoe splash |
| 19:43.17 | MacSC2 | at the end |
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| 19:43.44 | MacSC2 | what did i do wrong :/ |
| 19:44.11 | Kueken | do they die in one hit? |
| 19:44.48 | MacSC2 | ya |
| 19:44.53 | Vailreth | i am not sure but i think weapons and abilities handle source and target abit diffrentky because weapons can not hit their own caster |
| 19:45.03 | ProzaicMuze | Turn the damage of everything down to 1 |
| 19:45.09 | MacSC2 | oh ok |
| 19:45.15 | MacSC2 | so if my first unit dies |
| 19:45.22 | ProzaicMuze | if the beams show up, it's a known problem that I'll be addressing in the future |
| 19:45.24 | MacSC2 | it won't circulate |
| 19:45.30 | MacSC2 | ok |
| 19:45.47 | ProzaicMuze | All of my tutorials were made 2 years ago and I need to update them given the many patches that have surfaced since then |
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| 19:46.09 | ProzaicMuze | I've made most of the updates, but I need a good stretch of time to make pretty videos for them |
| 19:47.10 | MacSC2 | oh and prosaic ... i don't see the beam starting from my unit to the first unit when i cast the ability ... |
| 19:47.27 | ProzaicMuze | even at 1 damage? |
| 19:47.34 | MacSC2 | i'mma try |
| 19:47.37 | MacSC2 | brb |
| 19:48.00 | MacSC2 | hmm |
| 19:48.11 | MacSC2 | i put : amount - 1 |
| 19:48.18 | MacSC2 | in all the effects with (damage) |
| 19:48.32 | MacSC2 | but it still kills all of them :o |
| 19:48.52 | ProzaicMuze | @.@ |
| 19:49.01 | ProzaicMuze | 1 or -1? |
| 19:49.06 | MacSC2 | 1 |
| 19:49.19 | ProzaicMuze | do you have the kill flag checked on them? |
| 19:49.27 | ProzaicMuze | This causes effects to kill the unit regardless of damage amount |
| 19:50.02 | MacSC2 | no |
| 19:50.46 | MacSC2 | nothing is activated in flags |
| 19:50.47 | MacSC2 | 3: |
| 19:51.32 | MacSC2 | and the AoE happens on the unit i casted the ability on |
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| 19:52.38 | MacSC2 | Prozaic ? |
| 19:52.46 | ProzaicMuze | Have you downloaded the test map and compared the two yet? |
| 19:52.53 | ProzaicMuze | to make sure your effects line up with the tutorial? |
| 19:52.57 | MacSC2 | how do i download it ? :$ |
| 19:53.03 | MacSC2 | i clicked on the link |
| 19:53.07 | MacSC2 | nothing happens |
| 19:53.08 | ProzaicMuze | until mapster fixes the alien code stuffs |
| 19:53.14 | ProzaicMuze | you need to right click the link and select "Save As" |
| 19:53.17 | ProzaicMuze | this will let you download it |
| 19:53.19 | MacSC2 | oh ok |
| 19:53.24 | MacSC2 | hold on |
| 19:53.45 | MacSC2 | chain or burst ? |
| 19:56.22 | MacSC2 | crap |
| 19:56.24 | MacSC2 | i saved it |
| 19:56.28 | MacSC2 | when i open it |
| 19:56.40 | MacSC2 | it's a bunch of alien code |
| 19:59.41 | MacSC2 | i can't open it with the editor |
| 20:00.28 | MacSC2 | lol prosaic must think i'm a desperate case |
| 20:00.29 | ProzaicMuze | where do you live? |
| 20:00.49 | ProzaicMuze | country-wise |
| 20:00.57 | MacSC2 | Canada |
| 20:01.12 | ProzaicMuze | Do you run the English client? |
| 20:01.15 | MacSC2 | yup |
| 20:01.20 | MacSC2 | Us |
| 20:01.39 | MacSC2 | i'm on a mac |
| 20:01.40 | MacSC2 | too |
| 20:01.42 | ProzaicMuze | hrm |
| 20:01.47 | ProzaicMuze | I don't use a mac |
| 20:01.52 | MacSC2 | ik |
| 20:01.58 | MacSC2 | can i show u |
| 20:02.04 | MacSC2 | a pic |
| 20:02.04 | MacSC2 | and u tell if it's ok ? |
| 20:02.06 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 20:02.20 | MacSC2 | brb |
| 20:04.40 | MacSC2 | http://i.imgur.com/LogiI.png |
| 20:05.52 | ProzaicMuze | Is that yours or mine? |
| 20:07.05 | MacSC2 | mine |
| 20:08.24 | MacSC2 | u need something else ? |
| 20:08.29 | ProzaicMuze | I can |
| 20:08.33 | ProzaicMuze | I can't really tell |
| 20:08.52 | ProzaicMuze | It only shows one object at a time, I need to look at all of them, but I don't have the time to do that just this moment |
| 20:08.59 | MacSC2 | ok |
| 20:09.09 | MacSC2 | :( |
| 20:09.27 | MacSC2 | but what you see on the picture seems ok for the order ? |
| 20:12.15 | ProzaicMuze | As far as I can tell, the names and such are fine, but the problem would likely be in the referencing fields |
| 20:12.23 | MacSC2 | Ok |
| 20:12.38 | MacSC2 | 2 last questions and i won't bother u anymore :) |
| 20:12.52 | MacSC2 | 1) How can i make my AoE effect more large ? |
| 20:13.07 | MacSC2 | 2) How can i change the damage doing 3 levels to this ability ? |
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| 20:16.02 | pirate | anyone use custom fonts? |
| 20:16.51 | MacSC2 | hmmm my ability works, it's just the model of the lightning + beam that don't work |
| 20:17.17 | MacSC2 | anyway, nobody can answer my question about the damage levels ? |
| 20:17.27 | Xapti | pirate ahli uses custom font |
| 20:17.41 | ProzaicMuze | To increase the size of the AoE, increase the radius on the search effect |
| 20:17.50 | ProzaicMuze | By levels, do you mean giving the ability level upgrades? |
| 20:18.06 | MacSC2 | ya |
| 20:18.06 | pirate | know if its still easy to change the color of custom fonts as text using hex tags? |
| 20:18.10 | Xapti | MacSC2 depends what you mean damage levels |
| 20:18.14 | pirate | Ahli |
| 20:18.15 | Xapti | oh |
| 20:18.25 | MacSC2 | level 1 : 50 damage level 2 : 100 damage for the ability |
| 20:18.27 | MacSC2 | :p |
| 20:19.11 | Xapti | you just use upgrade |
| 20:19.18 | ProzaicMuze | ^^ |
| 20:19.35 | Xapti | you could have the upgrade automatically researched on level up I think, at least with triggers |
| 20:19.57 | Xapti | or have them manually chosen if the player has options (like dota or such) |
| 20:20.22 | MacSC2 | but how can i change the damage ? by example, when the triggering player of the hero puts one charge to get the level 2 ability, i want her to make 50 more damage ... how do i do that ? |
| 20:20.31 | MacSC2 | i can change the cost and cooldown |
| 20:20.35 | MacSC2 | but not that |
| 20:22.44 | MacSC2 | ? |
| 20:24.00 | ProzaicMuze | I've actually got to bounce, but I recall seeing a couple of tutorials about that on mapster |
| 20:24.11 | ProzaicMuze | look up WC3 leveled abilities |
| 20:24.17 | ProzaicMuze | I think that'll get yeh what you need |
| 20:26.14 | MacSC2 | hmmm WC3 editor is the same than starcraft II ? |
| 20:26.18 | Helral | meows |
| 20:27.08 | Deaod | no. |
| 20:27.19 | MacSC2 | so ... how is that gonna hep meh ? |
| 20:27.46 | Helral | WC3 leveled abilities is a tutorial for sc2, as to how to create the same kind of abilities in sc2. |
| 20:28.04 | MacSC2 | oh |
| 20:28.05 | MacSC2 | :D |
| 20:28.25 | MacSC2 | where is that tutorial :? |
| 20:28.47 | Deaod | "Use the search, Luke." |
| 20:29.18 | MacSC2 | hmmm |
| 20:29.19 | MacSC2 | ok |
| 20:29.21 | MacSC2 | thx guys |
| 20:29.25 | MacSC2 | i owe you alot |
| 20:30.08 | MacSC2 | If i want to add an effect like slow to my ability ... i create an effect type : effect - target |
| 20:30.28 | MacSC2 | then what do i have to change so it slows ? |
| 20:32.38 | Helral | let it add a behavior to the target, which has a duration of x and a movement speed adjustment. |
| 20:33.35 | MacSC2 | ok |
| 20:33.37 | MacSC2 | thx |
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| 20:58.35 | Ahli | sup? |
| 20:59.52 | Ahli | pirate, you can always change the color... it's like a font in sc2... |
| 21:00.45 | pirate | just making sure |
| 21:00.59 | pirate | didnt want to go and make three fonts to be let down |
| 21:01.11 | Ahli | you just need to have the style containing the font. Then you can use all other codes as you like them. ^^ |
| 21:01.23 | pirate | since you cant change the font size of most fonts |
| 21:01.36 | Ahli | you need to set those, yes :D |
| 21:01.55 | pirate | hm? |
| 21:02.03 | Ahli | that's why I have like 40 fonts added to my map :D for those different sizes |
| 21:02.34 | pirate | just resized current ones? |
| 21:02.46 | Ahli | *styles |
| 21:02.55 | pirate | I really like gluetitlesmall |
| 21:02.58 | pirate | it's my favorite... |
| 21:03.20 | pirate | I'm making the sexiest of floating combat text |
| 21:03.24 | pirate | all day today |
| 21:03.55 | pirate | can you export SC2 font styles as .otf? |
| 21:06.17 | Ahli | why would you export sc2 fonts? |
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| 21:10.14 | Xaragoth | you can just download the fonts |
| 21:21.03 | Ahli | I even guess you can just export the fonts out the mpqs |
| 21:21.18 | A1win | ugh damn cable bug, hopefully I got it fixed this time |
| 21:22.20 | Ahli | there are men shouting outside as they would try to pull something heavy in a competition... they just randomly start to shout ahhhhhh into the dark... and now they are cheering |
| 21:23.48 | Ahli | damnit... I wanted to write 4 pages today and I only wrote 75% of a single page :S |
| 21:25.42 | Mexa | Hey Jademus? |
| 21:26.15 | HP-X|Arthas | Yes Mexa, you called? |
| 21:26.28 | Mexa | You're not Jademus! :O |
| 21:26.42 | Mexa | I cn show you too, if you like, though |
| 21:26.59 | Mexa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/colorsim.png that's what I have. You probably don't know what it is. |
| 21:27.20 | Mexa | Silly thing being I got sidetracked to allow changing colors in real time during the simulation. |
| 21:28.10 | Mexa | So there you have it Arthas :P |
| 21:29.42 | pirate | anyone know if it'd be more CPU taxing to change the velocity of multiple text tags every 0.0125s for 1.0s or to recreate text tags and do the same thing with dialogs? |
| 21:29.57 | pirate | or would it really not matter |
| 21:31.45 | Ahli | plays aiur chef because of achievements |
| 21:32.33 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:32.48 | JademusSreg | That's cute, Mexa. |
| 21:33.05 | JademusSreg | LemonChiffon looks like a sushi roll. |
| 21:33.40 | Mexa | haha:p |
| 21:34.01 | Mexa | Thank the XNA team for that, not me ;) |
| 21:40.36 | Xapti | not sure what you mean pirate |
| 21:41.07 | Xapti | but with text tags, if you use velocity you then can't know it's location, so in my opinion it's not really useful for much |
| 21:41.34 | pirate | I'm making combat text very similar to the D3 combat tex |
| 21:41.36 | pirate | *text |
| 21:41.44 | pirate | where it 'splashes' out of enemies when you hit them |
| 21:41.56 | pirate | trying to decide whether or not to use text tags or dialogs |
| 21:42.13 | Xapti | well you could kinda keep track of it's location if you do lots of maths with vectors and keep track of the time it went in each direciton, but it's a mess, and will likely encounter 'sync' problems eventually |
| 21:42.32 | pirate | problem with text tags is that their position/apparently velocity appear different from different viewing angles |
| 21:42.43 | pirate | I've got it working fine with text tags |
| 21:42.56 | Xapti | do you know what the difference between dialogs and text tags are? it's pretty significant |
| 21:43.04 | pirate | ..I am quite aware |
| 21:43.31 | pirate | I could achieve the same affect using dialogs by "animating" them by changing position/size every fraction of a second |
| 21:43.36 | pirate | *effect |
| 21:44.00 | Xapti | oh you mean you want the rising effect |
| 21:44.07 | pirate | since you can make either appear on top of a unit |
| 21:44.10 | Xapti | you need to change text tag's HEIGHT for that |
| 21:44.11 | Currydevil | don't really need to keep track of it's position though with a combat text effect. |
| 21:44.24 | pirate | it's really more of a parabola |
| 21:44.27 | Xapti | change the text tag's height, not it's X/Y |
| 21:44.30 | pirate | and yes, Curry is right |
| 21:44.32 | pirate | .... |
| 21:44.42 | Xapti | I don't know if you could fade it out though |
| 21:44.47 | Xapti | haven'tl ooked |
| 21:44.52 | Currydevil | he can just kill it after a few seconds. |
| 21:45.06 | pirate | I don't need help making the effect, I was asking if animating dialogs is more heavily taxing on the CPU |
| 21:45.21 | pirate | --I've already made the effect with text tags |
| 21:45.23 | Currydevil | maybe not more taxing, but more work for you. |
| 21:45.31 | pirate | I don't care about workload |
| 21:45.37 | Currydevil | well then ;) |
| 21:45.40 | pirate | this is my summer project |
| 21:46.10 | Xapti | setting velocity on text tag would certainly be less taxing, but you wouldn't want to use velocity for a height thing |
| 21:46.33 | pirate | coordinates per second is what I meant by velocity |
| 21:46.43 | pirate | since that's what makes them move |
| 21:46.47 | Xapti | like you said, different camera angles would show it up wrong |
| 21:46.52 | pirate | yeah |
| 21:47.02 | Xapti | so you'd want to change the text tag's height |
| 21:47.07 | Xapti | not it's position |
| 21:47.21 | Xapti | (X/Y position) |
| 21:47.25 | pirate | ah, but I'd like them to launch off in random arcs |
| 21:47.29 | pirate | like the D3 ones |
| 21:47.47 | Xapti | oh I guess I don't recall exactly how it was done in D3 |
| 21:47.48 | pirate | I'll use this until I decide on my camera system setup, and likely remake it with dialogs later |
| 21:48.17 | Xapti | but the biggest thing in the effect is tha the height changed, is't it? I guess a bit of random X/Y position maybe changed too |
| 21:48.38 | pirate | I'll make a video in a bit |
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| 21:51.11 | Xapti | velocity and height would work far better than dialogues I'd say |
| 21:51.37 | Xapti | for both CPU and appearance. Dialogues are for things on the screen, not stuff on the map |
| 21:52.55 | pirate | text tag height wouldn't work if the camera goes top down |
| 21:53.10 | pirate | dialogs still would, since theyre just painted on top of the screen |
| 21:57.20 | Xapti | I don't think I've ever seen FCT on 90º camera angles |
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| 22:46.45 | Bounty | Pew Pew |
| 22:47.30 | ckSynergy | any way to increase a hero's death value (experience value) via data? |
| 22:47.56 | ckSynergy | or, more like, how would you go about doing it |
| 22:48.49 | Vailreth | not sure its possible but i dont know maybe an attiribute? |
| 22:50.33 | Vailreth | any one know what Kill and Lost Bonuses do? |
| 22:51.28 | pirate | Ahli, help me with custom text styles :D |
| 22:51.59 | pirate | can I duplicate GlueTitleSmall a bunch of times with several different font styles? |
| 22:52.24 | pirate | I been playing around with the FontStyles.SC2Styles but nothing changes in game |
| 22:56.01 | Currydevil | Bounty, I hate the scout. |
| 22:56.11 | Bounty | haha |
| 22:56.13 | Bounty | still working on it? |
| 22:56.33 | Currydevil | yeah, trying to work out how to implement the long range attack |
| 22:56.50 | Currydevil | I just have to make it so that the scout doesn't attack the target before it moves into position |
| 22:57.21 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/GKPqI.jpg |
| 22:57.42 | Currydevil | but it's going to be in a straight line. no moving and attacking to the left/right\ |
| 23:00.53 | Ahli | what's your problem, pirate? |
| 23:01.51 | pirate | I want to use the text style "GlueTitleSmall" at five or so different sizes |
| 23:02.24 | pirate | so I have to import five different copies of the text style in an .SC2style file, yeah? |
| 23:02.29 | pirate | how do I do this? |
| 23:02.54 | Ahli | yes, you have ;D |
| 23:03.14 | Ahli | first you get the sc2styles file out of the latest patch archive |
| 23:03.44 | pirate | ah, kk |
| 23:03.51 | pirate | I was trying to use an older one |
| 23:03.53 | pirate | but go on |
| 23:04.05 | Ahli | then you write your own styles file and add your own style to the list, then import that file to the map and add it to the styles list in the game ui in data editor |
| 23:04.11 | Ahli | and then you can use it in the editor |
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| 23:06.02 | Ahli | <Style name="GlueTitleSmall" template="HeaderExtendedTemplate" height="24" styleflags="!Shadow" textcolor="c1ffff" highlightcolor="#ColorWhite" vjustify="Middle" hjustify="Left"/> copy that, change the name and the height... and done |
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| 23:11.37 | Ahli | a style file would be: <StyleFile> allyourstyledeclarations </StyleFile> |
| 23:13.31 | pirate | I put my modified fonstyles.sc2style in the maps Base.SC2Data/UI folder, right? |
| 23:14.57 | Ahli | it doesn't care where it is because you add it to a list just like layout files |
| 23:16.13 | pirate | I have 0 experience with layout files :( where do I add it? |
| 23:17.25 | pirate | is my style file a copy of FontStyles.SC2style with ALL the default styles plus extra ones? or is it just the extra ones? |
| 23:17.39 | Ahli | just extra ones |
| 23:18.45 | pirate | example: <StyleFile> <!-- Fonts --> <Style name="GlueTitleSmallA" template="HeaderExtendedTemplate" height="100" styleflags="!Shadow" textcolor="c1ffff" highlightcolor="#ColorWhite" vjustify="Middle" hjustify="Left"/> <Style name="GlueTitleSmallB" template="HeaderExtendedTemplate" height="10" styleflags="!Shadow" textcolor="c1ffff" highlightcolor="#ColorWhite" vjustify="Middle" hjustify="Left"/> </StyleFile> |
| 23:18.55 | pirate | formatting fail |
| 23:19.41 | Ahli | yes |
| 23:20.50 | Ahli | "font style files" is the field in "game UI data". just add your style file to the list and it should work. |
| 23:23.25 | Mexa | https://forms.fbi.gov/check-to-see-if-your-computer-is-using-rogue-DNS |
| 23:26.41 | pirate | aha, it works Ahli!! |
| 23:26.49 | pirate | although I get a "No font set for : [BaseTemplate]" |
| 23:26.51 | pirate | error |
| 23:27.07 | pirate | but it works |
| 23:28.58 | Ahli | you could try to copy the template declaration into your style file, maybe that fixes the error |
| 23:29.14 | Ahli | before you declare your new styles |
| 23:29.22 | pirate | oh, fixed the error |
| 23:29.36 | pirate | copied too much stuff from original file |
| 23:29.53 | pirate | deleting the templates from the new style file did it |
| 23:30.00 | pirate | thanks for holding my hand through this |
| 23:30.56 | pirate | I'll have a couple videos in a bit |
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| 23:42.20 | Currydevil | Wow, the editor doesn't recognize '-' as a unique identifier. |
| 23:42.49 | Currydevil | if I name something 'blah+1' and then something 'blah-1' it counts it the same as the 'blah+1' -.- |
| 23:43.01 | Currydevil | or rather, it doesn't recognize + or - as unique |
| 23:49.29 | Kueken | when I set camera angle and field of view via trigger |
| 23:49.39 | Kueken | is there an easy way to reset it to default? |
| 23:57.52 | Xapti | what is the info panel? |
| 23:58.07 | Ahli | info panel is where the unit stats are I think |
