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| 00:01.45 | JademusSreg | gets back to work on the tutorial. |
| 00:01.47 | Repo | New map: The Depot Life - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/depot-life/ |
| 00:01.47 | Repo | New map: The Might of Terrazine - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/might-terrazine/ |
| 00:01.52 | Repo | New asset: NitG - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/nitg/ |
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| 00:36.26 | Kueken | experimenting with creating custom textures |
| 00:36.27 | Kueken | http://h11.abload.de/img/zeratulp5kkw.jpg |
| 00:36.31 | Kueken | any feedback? |
| 00:36.49 | JademusSreg | Girlfriend, red is not your color. |
| 00:37.10 | Kueken | :-* |
| 00:37.48 | Kueken | ok, let me specify |
| 00:37.57 | Kueken | any constructive feedback? ;) |
| 00:38.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:38.36 | JademusSreg | Seeing the model that close makes it difficult to appreciate how it would look under normal conditions. |
| 00:40.11 | Kueken | not sure, what I would even use it for :D |
| 00:42.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:42.23 | JademusSreg | Doesn't (usually) hurt to tinker. |
| 00:42.45 | Kueken | except if you do nothing else, like me :D |
| 00:42.50 | Mexa_ | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57413627-93/say-hello-to-cispa-it-will-remind-you-of-sopa/ |
| 00:45.51 | Mexa_ | http://www.twitch.tv/videogameslive oh, nice |
| 00:50.06 | JademusSreg | Humans have the novel capacity to adapt to even the most ghastly conditions. You might live beside and airport runway, or a train station, and while the noise is disturbing initially, you acclimate. How many times do you think the people of the internet can rally before their attention span is exhausted, before they change the channel, before they blow it off as just another thing? And how |
| 00:50.06 | JademusSreg | long does it take before public outcry of such magnitude can be regarded as one would ever-present noise? |
| 00:51.18 | Mexa_ | Good question |
| 00:51.28 | Mexa_ | But too intellectual for me at the moment ._. |
| 00:52.41 | Mexa_ | Oh fuck it Jademus, I suck at replying anything clever. |
| 00:52.47 | Mexa_ | derp |
| 00:52.49 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 00:53.22 | JademusSreg | It's just something about which I wonder; it's not as though I have an answer either way. |
| 00:53.39 | Mexa_ | mm |
| 00:56.17 | Kueken | A wise man once said "Habit is the strongest power in the life of a human being" |
| 00:56.25 | Kueken | I am not that wise, so I forgot his name |
| 00:56.34 | Kueken | (and its probably poorly translated) |
| 00:56.40 | Kueken | (but so true...) |
| 00:56.45 | JademusSreg | Forgetful, eh? Sounds like a bad habit. |
| 00:56.53 | Kueken | :-* |
| 00:57.06 | Kueken | do I know you? |
| 00:57.23 | JademusSreg | You're starting to get a little too familiar. |
| 00:57.29 | Vailreth | hmm |
| 00:58.02 | Kueken | hm |
| 00:58.09 | Kueken | I scare Jade :/ |
| 00:58.27 | JademusSreg | Naw, I was quoting Samir Duran from StarCraft 1. |
| 00:58.52 | Mexa_ | Hmm, I take it no one heard Laura sing on videogameslive just now? |
| 00:58.57 | JademusSreg | "I don't believe we've met. I am Duran; who are you? Haha, I like your style friend... but you're beginning to get a little too familiar." |
| 00:59.03 | Mexa_ | That was suberb, she hit every tone |
| 00:59.09 | JademusSreg | Who's Laura? |
| 00:59.20 | Mexa_ | Apparantly avery good singer :> |
| 00:59.58 | Vailreth | I R in Need of Test players |
| 00:59.59 | Mexa_ | The chat seem to talk about her al lot, so I suspect she might be involved in the project. |
| 01:00.41 | Vailreth | ahem i mean i require tester if there are any NA players with a free moment? |
| 01:00.49 | Mexa_ | http://www.lauraintravia.com/video-games-live.html that, apparantly |
| 01:02.29 | Kueken | whenever anyone requests test players, its in NA |
| 01:02.42 | Kueken | apparently, I am not supposed to be awake now |
| 01:03.06 | Mexa_ | ^ |
| 01:03.10 | Vailreth | had i an account in your region i would invite you |
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| 01:19.48 | taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXtvnLfYTzg |
| 01:19.52 | taintedwisp | zombie killn music |
| 01:34.42 | Dustin | hi |
| 01:51.30 | taintedwisp | hey |
| 01:51.34 | taintedwisp | how r u? |
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| 02:07.08 | Mexa_ | http://www.twitch.tv/videogameslive haha, bad voiceacting in games. |
| 02:08.15 | Mexa_ | Oh well, list already ended.. |
| 02:17.32 | Mexa_ | Oh, but they're playing Blizzard music right now. |
| 02:18.01 | Mexa_ | ... and apparantly that also ended now. |
| 02:58.07 | Mexa_ | Heeeey, they pimped the ui with an overlay! Doeasn't look all that bad acually. http://www.nasl.tv/ |
| 03:24.34 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
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| 03:32.55 | Mexa_ | hmm |
| 03:33.07 | Mexa_ | Is this a recent feature in the trigger debug window? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/Starcraft/debug_window_list.png |
| 03:33.08 | Currydevil_ | mmmm |
| 03:33.20 | Mexa_ | Neverseen that list of choices before. |
| 03:34.05 | Mexa_ | (And don't mind the stack overflow) |
| 03:34.13 | Currydevil_ | same. though i dont use the debuggrr often |
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| 03:34.47 | DarkOrbis | Hello |
| 03:35.31 | Currydevil_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.41 | DarkOrbis | Do animations have to be named like 'Attack' 'Walk' 'Stand' 'Death' etc. or can I name them anything I want like AttackBow or Attack1H |
| 03:35.47 | Mexa_ | That's actually a great thing. I have always been bothered that trigger events cause too much lag when using the debugger. And now I can turn it off! \o/ |
| 03:35.48 | DarkOrbis | ??? |
| 03:36.32 | Currydevil_ | btw when i get home i will need 30 min to finish attacks. |
| 03:37.07 | Currydevil_ | you can name them w/e dark |
| 03:38.11 | DarkOrbis | ok, so how would I play odd named animations when the animation play message only has certain words in it? |
| 03:38.23 | Currydevil_ | the name is just a ref so you can refer to them latrr by name if you want to manipulatr them |
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| 03:39.26 | Currydevil_ | the animations are named hard coded. but you can add a reference name as anything |
| 03:40.09 | DarkOrbis | under play animation it only has certain words. how do I play an animation using words not in the list? |
| 03:40.21 | Currydevil_ | anyway. im at work. i cant elaborate morr right now |
| 03:40.36 | Currydevil_ | gtg |
| 03:40.46 | DarkOrbis | wow, so helpful |
| 03:40.49 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 03:43.03 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:43.57 | JademusSreg | Animation labels are references; they can have any arbitrary name, but anything refering to it will need to use that same reference. |
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| 03:45.44 | JademusSreg | Animations, though, are composed of one or more "tags", so to speak, and they are composed from a predefined static set of strings. |
| 03:46.49 | JademusSreg | So you could could call it AttackBow, no problem. But the animation itself can't be any arbitrary string. |
| 03:47.57 | JademusSreg | At least, not that I am aware; the editor doesn't support any more animation tags than are available in the dropdown. So a model with an animation under Attack, Bow probably wouldn't be able to use it. |
| 03:48.30 | JademusSreg | But if the animation was Attack, B, it would be fine. |
| 03:53.36 | Mexa_ | Hey Jademus, do you know if there's any recent version of the notpad++ syntax highlighting plugin? |
| 03:53.53 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 03:54.00 | Mexa_ | I only know the one grim updated, but it's still obsolete. |
| 03:54.19 | JademusSreg | Oh, for galaxy. |
| 03:54.31 | JademusSreg | Hm, we'll just need to make a new one., |
| 03:54.33 | Mexa_ | Yesyes |
| 03:54.55 | Mexa_ | True, I suppose one could use Grim's one as a base? |
| 03:55.05 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 03:55.13 | Mexa_ | Never made a plugin for np++ before. |
| 03:55.28 | JademusSreg | Haha, this one isn't even a plugin. |
| 03:55.40 | JademusSreg | It's a language declaration. |
| 03:56.09 | JademusSreg | I imagine a plugin would be significantly more robust. |
| 03:56.11 | Mexa_ | Oh yeah, an xml file only, yes? |
| 03:56.15 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 03:56.34 | Mexa_ | Stil, I suppose it would be convenient to have a tool generate that xml for you:P |
| 03:56.57 | Mexa_ | *l |
| 03:57.06 | JademusSreg | Naw, that would be sort of lame. All that work for something minor. |
| 03:57.27 | Mexa_ | Well, but it would allow almost no update time. |
| 03:57.59 | Mexa_ | For future patches' sake. |
| 03:58.12 | JademusSreg | When I and then grim wrote our respective definitions, there were hard size limits due to Scintilla, iirc. |
| 03:58.49 | DarkOrbis | So there is no possible way to call an animation to play by typing in the name by hand? |
| 03:59.32 | JademusSreg | So building a tool to automatically generate an XML would have failed; it would have exceeded the limit by a huge margin; we each made deliberate choices about what was worth including. |
| 03:59.43 | Mexa_ | That word again, what is Scintilla? |
| 03:59.49 | JademusSreg | Orb, you're welcome to try; switch to XML view. |
| 04:00.08 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintilla_(editing_component) |
| 04:00.41 | Mexa_ | So it's based on that, huh? |
| 04:00.47 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 04:01.18 | Mexa_ | That's a shame then. |
| 04:01.44 | Mexa_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/notepad-galaxy-package/ I thought those included everything |
| 04:01.45 | JademusSreg | I can't say what's changed since a year and a half ago. |
| 04:01.47 | Mexa_ | *that |
| 04:01.57 | Mexa_ | Looks like it does, I mean. |
| 04:02.00 | DarkOrbis | Is there a list of all the hard coded animation names? (for reference) |
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| 04:02.30 | JademusSreg | Animation names are composed of the strings available in the dropdown; the list is huuuge. |
| 04:02.52 | JademusSreg | Sorry, I should clarify. |
| 04:03.11 | DarkOrbis | so no list on the internet I can look at for a reference sheet? |
| 04:03.41 | JademusSreg | When you're working in Model or Actor events, anything animation related will have a dropdown list of animation tags. |
| 04:03.55 | JademusSreg | And when you select a non-None value, another dropdown will apear. |
| 04:03.59 | JademusSreg | And so forth. |
| 04:04.17 | DarkOrbis | the thing is I need a list to look at outside the editor |
| 04:04.23 | JademusSreg | Why so? |
| 04:05.14 | DarkOrbis | for when I'm naming my animations in another editor |
| 04:07.13 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/animation-names/ |
| 04:08.24 | DarkOrbis | thanks |
| 04:08.34 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 04:09.17 | JademusSreg | Mexa, yeah that is nowhere near complete. |
| 04:09.47 | JademusSreg | Ideally, the functions would get library-specific colors. |
| 04:10.17 | JademusSreg | "These files include every native and constant from natives.galaxy, NativeLib.galaxy, AI.galaxy and TacticalAI.galaxy as of the current 1.3.0 patch" |
| 04:10.37 | JademusSreg | That is a fraction of the standard library. |
| 04:10.57 | JademusSreg | Perhaps one of the most important fractions, but it's not nearly complete. |
| 04:11.21 | Mexa_ | Ok. |
| 04:12.23 | JademusSreg | Also, let me just say the forums do not excel at handling HTML in posts. |
| 04:12.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:13.34 | JademusSreg | Took me an hour and a half just to find a table layout that was better than completely terrible. |
| 04:13.43 | Mexa_ | hah |
| 04:14.14 | Mexa_ | I'll be off to bed for a while, ttul! |
| 04:14.22 | JademusSreg | And I'll probably still be forced to mess with it, since it includes an enormous amount of whitespace, probably from my habitual indenting. |
| 04:14.24 | JademusSreg | LAtero. |
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| 04:53.37 | Bounty | woohoo |
| 04:53.42 | Bounty | Photon Discs has passed Photon Discs |
| 04:53.44 | Bounty | err |
| 04:53.46 | JademusSreg | HAhaha |
| 04:53.47 | Bounty | Photon Cycles* |
| 04:53.51 | Bounty | hhahaa |
| 04:53.54 | Bounty | son of a bitch |
| 04:54.02 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 04:54.04 | Bounty | that would have been 10x more sweet if i had not fucked it up |
| 05:15.25 | DarkOrbis | ???? |
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| 05:35.52 | Currydevil | sorry about earlier dark, i was short on time and on a mobile device. my typing was slow and cumbersome. |
| 05:36.00 | Currydevil | I would have explained if i had more time. |
| 05:39.33 | DarkOrbis | nvm now, Jade help since you didn't |
| 05:39.39 | Currydevil | I noticed. |
| 05:39.45 | Currydevil | I was just apologizing now anyways >.> |
| 05:40.06 | DarkOrbis | ok |
| 05:47.43 | DarkOrbis | I know this isn't SC2 related but anyone know of a good place to get imported CDs? |
| 05:48.11 | DarkOrbis | I want to buy a CD only found in Estonia |
| 05:48.56 | Currydevil | no idea, sorry. |
| 05:49.35 | DarkOrbis | I wish I knew someone who lives in Estonia |
| 06:05.46 | Currydevil | Question: Say I execute a 'turn off current trigger' action and follow it with a 'skip remaining actions' action, will the trigger finish out it's actions after the 'turn off' or just stop there? |
| 06:06.27 | DarkOrbis | just stop there |
| 06:06.45 | DarkOrbis | because of the 'skip remaining actions' action |
| 06:06.59 | JademusSreg | Skip Remaining Actions inserts a return true; statement into the script. |
| 06:07.05 | Currydevil | but it still goes to the skip after the turn off ? |
| 06:07.24 | DarkOrbis | correct |
| 06:07.27 | Currydevil | All I need to know is, will a trigger finish up anything after a 'turn off'? |
| 06:07.36 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:07.39 | Currydevil | ok, ty =P |
| 06:14.55 | Currydevil | Bounty, oh Booouuunnnty |
| 06:17.27 | JademusSreg | Kinky. |
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| 07:16.42 | Repo | New map: Chat Windows - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/chat-windows/ |
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| 07:50.11 | SoulTaker916_ | wassup? |
| 07:52.21 | JademusSreg | Get it working? |
| 07:52.30 | SoulTaker916_ | power went out |
| 07:52.36 | SoulTaker916_ | and i was saving the recall |
| 07:52.38 | SoulTaker916_ | but i lost it |
| 07:52.44 | SoulTaker916_ | can u pull it from ur history? |
| 07:52.50 | JademusSreg | Haha. Unfortunate. |
| 07:52.51 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 07:53.20 | SoulTaker916_ | lucky me i autosave every 5 min |
| 07:53.23 | SoulTaker916_ | with backups |
| 07:53.24 | SoulTaker916_ | :P |
| 07:53.29 | SoulTaker916_ | lost almost nothing |
| 07:54.13 | SoulTaker916_ | my sc2 map folder and stuff is already at 1.16 gb XD |
| 07:55.30 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/R39ujv7H |
| 07:55.45 | SoulTaker916_ | awsome |
| 07:55.50 | SoulTaker916_ | i was going to ask u for more |
| 07:55.54 | SoulTaker916_ | didnt want to push my luck |
| 07:57.03 | JademusSreg | mIRC syntax highlighting is inscrutable. Perhaps it was intended for the mIRC scripting language. |
| 07:57.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, back to verk. |
| 07:57.51 | SoulTaker916_ | thats weird |
| 07:57.58 | SoulTaker916_ | why is the recall controled by hanger |
| 07:58.20 | JademusSreg | Why is leash radius? |
| 07:58.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:58.31 | JademusSreg | Best not to inquire. |
| 07:58.42 | SoulTaker916_ | im not sure i thought it was a storeage ability |
| 07:58.45 | SoulTaker916_ | no offensive |
| 07:58.58 | SoulTaker916_ | it seems to me it would make more sense in persistence |
| 07:58.59 | SoulTaker916_ | or |
| 07:59.07 | SoulTaker916_ | ammo |
| 07:59.15 | SoulTaker916_ | as an effect |
| 07:59.16 | JademusSreg | How is leash radius or ammo management inherently offensive, in any case? |
| 07:59.25 | Xapti | the unit highlight event uses network traffic like other user input events right? |
| 07:59.55 | SoulTaker916_ | oh |
| 08:00.00 | SoulTaker916_ | the nose thing |
| 08:00.02 | JademusSreg | Xap, it's not key or mouse input, so not as you mean it. |
| 08:00.49 | Xapti | right |
| 08:01.45 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:02.50 | SoulTaker916_ | jade on a side note |
| 08:02.58 | SoulTaker916_ | not related to sc2 |
| 08:03.20 | SoulTaker916_ | is there a way to speed up or get around windows lag? |
| 08:09.03 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean. |
| 08:09.40 | SoulTaker916_ | i made a simple web bot thats pulling info from browsers manually since the unlying is flash |
| 08:09.56 | SoulTaker916_ | the issue is ms clipboard has a 4 second delay |
| 08:10.07 | SoulTaker916_ | and thus takes me 8 days to complete a task |
| 08:10.32 | SoulTaker916_ | 400ms delay** |
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| 08:11.26 | JademusSreg | I've not worked in flash, so I'm not familiar with the conditions of the issue. |
| 08:12.41 | Xapti | maybe try #ahk, not the most appropriate place, but better than here |
| 08:14.37 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 08:14.48 | SoulTaker916_ | im making the unit compare ai area evaluiation |
| 08:14.52 | SoulTaker916_ | for hp |
| 08:15.17 | SoulTaker916_ | i would thing compare should be less that and unit should be target |
| 08:15.24 | SoulTaker916_ | but were do i put full health? |
| 08:16.10 | JademusSreg | That's not the validator I suggested. |
| 08:16.25 | SoulTaker916_ | u suggested a combine |
| 08:16.33 | SoulTaker916_ | with a series of unit compares |
| 08:16.51 | JademusSreg | I advise you re-read the transcript. |
| 08:18.28 | SoulTaker916_ | oh i c |
| 08:19.16 | SoulTaker916_ | how do i make the radius inheriet the radius of the ability? |
| 08:20.26 | JademusSreg | But I'll elaborate on some implementation details not addressed. Each individual Use Magazine effect would use an Enumerate Area validator, which in the area array would use a Combine, which would use a Unit Compare Vital to determine if the unit supports the vital type and another to check the fraction. |
| 08:21.05 | SoulTaker916_ | ya i understood that |
| 08:21.16 | SoulTaker916_ | but int he enumerate |
| 08:21.18 | JademusSreg | You'll need to enter the radius manually, of course. |
| 08:21.25 | SoulTaker916_ | ok |
| 08:21.31 | SoulTaker916_ | so if i change the area |
| 08:21.41 | SoulTaker916_ | i would need to change them for the validator |
| 08:21.44 | SoulTaker916_ | range**** |
| 08:21.52 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 08:23.07 | SoulTaker916_ | well i look at the enumated area validator and notice it has a search area, i guess i set that to 360 and range 10 which is what the abilitie range is? but i wish it could juse the range from the ability |
| 08:23.20 | SoulTaker916_ | in addition im not sure how to set up this validator |
| 08:23.52 | SoulTaker916_ | i set combined vital life and then less than on the compare but what do i compare it 2?? i dont see a input for it? |
| 08:24.17 | JademusSreg | When in doubt, research. |
| 08:24.42 | SoulTaker916_ | ok |
| 08:24.44 | JademusSreg | First, look at the closest example in standard data to what you want to do and understand how it works. |
| 08:24.52 | SoulTaker916_ | i would research the medivac |
| 08:24.54 | SoulTaker916_ | validators |
| 08:25.00 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 08:25.20 | JademusSreg | Think closer to where you are, just the validator logic. |
| 08:26.24 | JademusSreg | To be a valid target, the target (that is the unit being handled by the enumerate area validator in this case) must has less than full vitals. |
| 08:26.25 | SoulTaker916_ | well i want to validate if the unit has hp dammage right? |
| 08:26.32 | SoulTaker916_ | that screams medivac |
| 08:26.55 | JademusSreg | So you look for a Unit Compare Vitals validator with a name like something vitals NotFull |
| 08:27.02 | JademusSreg | Like CasterLifeNotFull. |
| 08:27.06 | SoulTaker916_ | medivacnearbywillheal enumated area validator? |
| 08:38.30 | Currydevil | bugger, code jump out of bounds. |
| 08:39.23 | Currydevil | time to break down |
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| 08:42.02 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 09:00.17 | Kueken | oh jade, the all-knowing oracle of the IRC |
| 09:00.33 | SoulTaker916_ | hes dead |
| 09:00.36 | SoulTaker916_ | well sleeping |
| 09:00.39 | SoulTaker916_ | but hes dead to u |
| 09:01.01 | Kueken | whoever has a question searches the mystic lands of the mapster IRC channel to summon him |
| 09:01.09 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 09:01.18 | Kueken | and he shall suceed! |
| 09:01.22 | JademusSreg | I'm going to sleep soon. |
| 09:01.30 | SoulTaker916_ | NO!!! |
| 09:01.33 | SoulTaker916_ | i was wron |
| 09:01.35 | SoulTaker916_ | g |
| 09:01.36 | SoulTaker916_ | JADE |
| 09:01.39 | SoulTaker916_ | u must help me |
| 09:02.00 | SoulTaker916_ | im trying to get this validator working |
| 09:02.02 | JademusSreg | I thought I outlined it pretty thoroughly, earlier. |
| 09:02.26 | SoulTaker916_ | i cant find a enumerate area that resembles what i want |
| 09:02.34 | JademusSreg | That's just silly. |
| 09:02.35 | SoulTaker916_ | u said research? |
| 09:02.39 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 09:02.48 | SoulTaker916_ | u also said enumerate area |
| 09:02.53 | SoulTaker916_ | validator |
| 09:03.00 | JademusSreg | Research is intended to aid in understanding, not to facilitate easy copying. |
| 09:03.19 | SoulTaker916_ | well im looking at this damn validator |
| 09:03.30 | SoulTaker916_ | and i see validator comapre: |
| 09:03.37 | SoulTaker916_ | but what fields is ti comparing |
| 09:03.59 | JademusSreg | About what are you talking? |
| 09:04.06 | Kueken | the count of enumerated units to the number you specify |
| 09:04.14 | SoulTaker916_ | validating wether a target doesnt have max hp |
| 09:04.25 | Kueken | ? |
| 09:04.32 | Kueken | I thought enumerate area? |
| 09:04.39 | JademusSreg | There are already validators like that. |
| 09:04.52 | JademusSreg | And the enumerate area can use them in the search area array. |
| 09:04.59 | SoulTaker916_ | well i sorted all validators by type |
| 09:05.02 | JademusSreg | So it can validate the targets of the enumerate area. |
| 09:05.08 | SoulTaker916_ | and went down the list accouplle times |
| 09:05.19 | Kueken | there is a Caster Life Not Full validator |
| 09:05.34 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 09:05.44 | JademusSreg | [04:25:20] <JademusSreg> Think closer to where you are, just the validator logic. |
| 09:05.45 | JademusSreg | [04:26:24] <JademusSreg> To be a valid target, the target (that is the unit being handled by the enumerate area validator in this case) must has less than full vitals. |
| 09:05.45 | JademusSreg | [04:26:25] <SoulTaker916_> well i want to validate if the unit has hp dammage right? |
| 09:05.45 | JademusSreg | [04:26:32] <SoulTaker916_> that screams medivac |
| 09:05.45 | JademusSreg | [04:26:55] <JademusSreg> So you look for a Unit Compare Vitals validator with a name like something vitals NotFull |
| 09:05.45 | JademusSreg | [04:27:02] <JademusSreg> Like CasterLifeNotFull. |
| 09:05.55 | SoulTaker916_ | thats not the same validator type... |
| 09:05.57 | SoulTaker916_ | oh.. |
| 09:06.12 | SoulTaker916_ | so i use combine with the area and the unit compare bitality |
| 09:06.16 | SoulTaker916_ | vitality |
| 09:06.24 | SoulTaker916_ | to achive a search... |
| 09:06.34 | JademusSreg | Actually... |
| 09:06.35 | Kueken | yep, the enumerate area can check for another validator |
| 09:07.09 | Kueken | what exactly do you need them for, anyway? |
| 09:07.09 | JademusSreg | The combine may not be necessary there, since the Filters should allow you to determine if the target supports a given vital type. |
| 09:07.24 | JademusSreg | So you only need the not full vital plugged into the enumerate area. |
| 09:07.31 | SoulTaker916_ | well i need multiple validators |
| 09:07.35 | SoulTaker916_ | in a or patter |
| 09:07.47 | SoulTaker916_ | mech hp bio hp and shields |
| 09:07.51 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/R39ujv7H |
| 09:07.57 | JademusSreg | I'll just repost that. |
| 09:08.05 | JademusSreg | So everyone can get caught up. |
| 09:08.11 | JademusSreg | Sleep time. |
| 09:09.50 | Kueken | ok |
| 09:10.00 | Kueken | I don't think, I got exactly, what you need |
| 09:10.14 | Kueken | you want an ability? which summons 3 kinds of healer units |
| 09:10.26 | Kueken | 1 of them heals hp for bio units |
| 09:10.35 | Kueken | 1 repairs biological |
| 09:10.47 | Kueken | and 1 regenerates shields |
| 09:10.55 | Kueken | correct so far? |
| 09:11.40 | SoulTaker916_ | ya i got most of it figured out |
| 09:11.41 | SoulTaker916_ | just now |
| 09:11.48 | SoulTaker916_ | ill let u know if i get jacke dup again |
| 09:11.53 | Kueken | k |
| 09:13.12 | SoulTaker916_ | ahahah |
| 09:13.17 | SoulTaker916_ | when they get dammed |
| 09:13.27 | SoulTaker916_ | the scv swarm out and finish off the stalker |
| 09:14.14 | SoulTaker916_ | 07Kueken01 |
| 09:15.37 | Kueken | so? |
| 09:15.58 | SoulTaker916_ | needs to heal |
| 09:16.17 | Currydevil | Heya Kueken, any idea how to save a model in a datatable? |
| 09:16.38 | Kueken | the scvs attack the stalker? |
| 09:16.42 | Kueken | are they allied? |
| 09:16.54 | SoulTaker916_ | yep |
| 09:17.01 | SoulTaker916_ | the ability is set to target allies |
| 09:17.07 | Kueken | Currydevil: I would store the model's string ID |
| 09:17.08 | SoulTaker916_ | autocast |
| 09:17.16 | SoulTaker916_ | however instead of healing they attack |
| 09:17.27 | Kueken | but maybe you can store Game Link: Model as well in Gui |
| 09:17.32 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 09:17.38 | Currydevil | ok |
| 09:17.44 | Kueken | its an arm magazine, which releases the scvs? |
| 09:17.47 | Currydevil | would the string ID just be the .m3 file name? |
| 09:18.19 | SoulTaker916_ | should be |
| 09:18.20 | Kueken | well, there are model objects and model files |
| 09:18.35 | Kueken | depends, which of those you need |
| 09:18.47 | Currydevil | ok, so when my units die, i need to swap in their death model. some of them just disappear instead of playing death |
| 09:19.25 | Kueken | why don't you let the unit actor take care of that? |
| 09:19.35 | Currydevil | because i'm killing them with a trigger. |
| 09:19.45 | Currydevil | but even then, using 'kill unit' some of them just disappear |
| 09:19.49 | Kueken | SoulTaker: how did you configure your release ability? |
| 09:20.27 | Kueken | Currydevil: Thats strange and should not happen |
| 09:20.50 | Kueken | so my guess is, you messed something up with your actors |
| 09:20.54 | Currydevil | indeed. Well, I made default unit actors and added the model. |
| 09:20.56 | Currydevil | -.- |
| 09:21.09 | Currydevil | I didn't change anything save telling it which model to use and what unit icon/wireframe to use |
| 09:21.18 | Currydevil | and linked it to my unit lol |
| 09:21.23 | Currydevil | I made it from scratch. |
| 09:21.28 | Currydevil | default unit actor. |
| 09:21.33 | SoulTaker916_ | tinkering with it |
| 09:21.35 | Kueken | you need to specify death models yourself, you know? |
| 09:21.35 | SoulTaker916_ | no luck |
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| 09:21.38 | SoulTaker916_ | im noob at this |
| 09:21.41 | Currydevil | Oh yeah. |
| 09:21.43 | Currydevil | der. |
| 09:21.48 | Currydevil | der.p |
| 09:21.54 | Currydevil | cool, I completely forgot. |
| 09:21.56 | Currydevil | -.-' |
| 09:22.13 | Currydevil | <- dumb more often than not. If you can't tell. |
| 09:22.20 | Kueken | Combat: Death Effects+ |
| 09:22.24 | Currydevil | Yes yes. |
| 09:22.27 | Currydevil | I remember. |
| 09:22.31 | Kueken | :) |
| 09:22.36 | Currydevil | =D |
| 09:24.15 | SoulTaker916_ | geez |
| 09:24.23 | SoulTaker916_ | why this shit attacking.... |
| 09:25.50 | SoulTaker916_ | 07Kueken01 |
| 09:26.22 | Kueken | well, usually the magazine units attack the same target the caster attacks |
| 09:27.03 | SoulTaker916_ | well i have a autocast ability |
| 09:27.11 | SoulTaker916_ | thats autocasting scv to attack |
| 09:27.18 | SoulTaker916_ | when unit is dmged |
| 09:28.22 | Kueken | so your scvs attack a damaged target automatically |
| 09:28.30 | SoulTaker916_ | yes |
| 09:28.39 | Kueken | but they shouldnt |
| 09:28.58 | SoulTaker916_ | they should repair |
| 09:29.12 | Kueken | you could modify their weapon to heal ;) |
| 09:29.41 | Currydevil | scv have a seperate repair ability though |
| 09:29.43 | SoulTaker916_ | i could... |
| 09:29.44 | Currydevil | not attack |
| 09:30.11 | Kueken | and the scvs have an autocast ability |
| 09:30.25 | Kueken | and when they use it, they attack? or don't they use it at all? |
| 09:30.48 | Currydevil | as far as I know, SCV's repair is not set to autocast by default |
| 09:30.50 | SoulTaker916_ | scv have repair on autocast |
| 09:30.57 | SoulTaker916_ | but when a unit is dammaged and in rage |
| 09:30.59 | SoulTaker916_ | range |
| 09:31.04 | ________________ | rage |
| 09:31.08 | Currydevil | so remove attack from the scv |
| 09:31.09 | SoulTaker916_ | they get deployed and proceed |
| 09:31.10 | SoulTaker916_ | to the unit |
| 09:31.16 | SoulTaker916_ | but insead of healing |
| 09:31.20 | SoulTaker916_ | they destroy it |
| 09:31.33 | SoulTaker916_ | like some retard in a midevial society |
| 09:33.55 | Kueken | place an scv by itself |
| 09:34.17 | Kueken | and see, if it attacks a damaged unit, if it is not summoned by the magazine |
| 09:35.34 | SoulTaker916_ | nope they heal |
| 09:37.24 | Kueken | ok, so they get the attack order from the magazine ability |
| 09:38.02 | Kueken | which most likely means, your caster attacks the unit as well |
| 09:38.24 | SoulTaker916_ | biodome has no attack |
| 09:39.04 | Kueken | yes, but it has an arm magazine ability, which will cause the attack to be redirected to the summons |
| 09:39.11 | Kueken | which is why the scvs attack |
| 09:39.13 | Kueken | probably |
| 09:39.20 | SoulTaker916_ | ok |
| 09:39.26 | SoulTaker916_ | how do i make them heal? |
| 09:39.47 | Kueken | how do you summon them? |
| 09:40.21 | SoulTaker916_ | kinda like carrier they have a hange and a command vector |
| 09:40.37 | SoulTaker916_ | theres a magazine effect and creatte perisitant |
| 09:41.08 | Kueken | yes, how do you execute this effect? |
| 09:41.16 | Kueken | the carrier does it with his weapon |
| 09:41.26 | Kueken | you say the biodome has no weapons |
| 09:41.48 | SoulTaker916_ | i have command vector ability that is effec-target |
| 09:41.52 | SoulTaker916_ | that starts this |
| 09:42.02 | Kueken | and you target it on the damaged unit? |
| 09:42.14 | SoulTaker916_ | yep |
| 09:42.38 | Kueken | hm, maybe, there is an inherit order issue to attack the target |
| 09:42.57 | Kueken | try releasing them without a target to see, if it makes a difference |
| 09:48.16 | SoulTaker916_ | nope |
| 09:48.20 | SoulTaker916_ | still viscious |
| 09:49.50 | ________________ | if then else if... it will only go to the second else if when the first one fails right? |
| 09:50.12 | Kueken | so you use effect - instant ability without a target |
| 09:50.26 | SoulTaker916_ | yes |
| 09:50.30 | ________________ | damn |
| 09:50.31 | Kueken | and the released scvs still kill a nearby allied damaged unit? o_0 |
| 09:50.32 | SoulTaker916_ | only the second if |
| 09:50.37 | SoulTaker916_ | if the first one fails |
| 09:50.40 | SoulTaker916_ | and if that failed |
| 09:50.42 | Kueken | depends |
| 09:50.43 | SoulTaker916_ | second else |
| 09:50.48 | Kueken | if you put the if in the else |
| 09:50.52 | ________________ | just noticed one of my triggers i did using the wrong logic |
| 09:50.55 | Kueken | or behind the entire block |
| 09:51.20 | ________________ | kuek, i was using a GUI if then else if statement |
| 09:51.34 | Kueken | ah |
| 09:51.36 | Kueken | else if |
| 09:51.38 | Kueken | missed that |
| 09:51.42 | ________________ | dunno y i never caught that until now... ive never done it this way b4 lol |
| 09:51.45 | Kueken | then yes, what SoulTaker sai |
| 09:51.46 | Kueken | d |
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| 09:52.24 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/35462-texture-misc-how-to-implement-custom-player-decals/#p1 |
| 09:53.32 | ________________ | didnt know u had 2 hex it 2 add new decals |
| 09:53.41 | SoulTaker916_ | JADE |
| 09:53.43 | SoulTaker916_ | on thank god |
| 09:53.47 | SoulTaker916_ | i need ur help |
| 09:53.50 | SoulTaker916_ | soo badly |
| 09:53.59 | JademusSreg | Haha, I really needed to finish that tutorial/. |
| 09:54.02 | JademusSreg | It haunted me. |
| 09:54.16 | SoulTaker916_ | my scv murder damaged units |
| 09:54.18 | SoulTaker916_ | instead of heal |
| 09:54.56 | JademusSreg | Start by not using standard units, and not giving the new units attacks. And if that doesn't fix it, set their weapons to repair. |
| 09:55.01 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 09:55.14 | JademusSreg | I laugh, but it should work. |
| 09:55.20 | JademusSreg | Anyway, sleep time. |
| 09:55.35 | JademusSreg | Fo' real. |
| 10:01.47 | Kueken | jade |
| 10:02.05 | Kueken | if you change a texture object's name and file |
| 10:03.01 | Kueken | the changes are resembled in the player property's decal list |
| 10:03.24 | Kueken | hm, he is sleeping for real real :( |
| 10:05.14 | Kueken | ah nvm anyway, misunderstood something |
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| 11:30.58 | ________________ | what takes more memory a comparison or a calculation? |
| 11:31.08 | ________________ | ie. a>b vs. a+b |
| 11:32.01 | Kueken | in SC2, comparisons and checks are (quote) "Lightning Fast" |
| 11:32.11 | ________________ | sounds good 2 me |
| 11:32.17 | Kueken | dunno, who said that |
| 11:32.24 | Kueken | but I did read it somewhere |
| 11:32.33 | ________________ | ty |
| 11:32.59 | Kueken | have no confirmed source, though, you might want to check up on that |
| 11:33.21 | ________________ | 4:30AM, I'll take your word for it T.T |
| 11:33.23 | ________________ | i wanna sleep |
| 11:40.40 | ________________ | awesome, works perfectly... can finally sleep T.T |
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| 15:51.21 | Dustin | :O |
| 15:56.05 | Mexa | Incompetent translators on tv... 1 mile is not 1 kilometer -.-' |
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| 16:01.02 | Taintedwisp | Yo, Sup' |
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| 16:03.04 | Plice | Hey can someone help me out? |
| 16:03.10 | Taintedwisp | What ya need? |
| 16:03.13 | Taintedwisp | I might be able to help |
| 16:03.33 | Plice | Ok so basically I am trying to use a trigger to hide/show text above someones head with their name and rank |
| 16:03.58 | Plice | I was talking with someone else just now, but they had to go so they directed me to here |
| 16:04.12 | Plice | He said that the issue was that I didn't have a picked integer |
| 16:04.17 | Plice | and I have no idea how to add that |
| 16:04.18 | Taintedwisp | Someone get this one? Yeah there are ALOT of great editors in here, im more of a data editor though |
| 16:06.44 | Dustin | TextTag |
| 16:06.47 | Dustin | Easy as that |
| 16:07.14 | Dustin | Just make a text tag attached to the unit and use the Hide/Show Text Tag triggers |
| 16:07.24 | Plice | Could I link you a screen shot |
| 16:07.29 | Plice | I think that would help |
| 16:07.31 | Dustin | To what? |
| 16:07.43 | Dustin | Oh sure |
| 16:08.09 | Plice | http://i.imgur.com/HBXve.png |
| 16:08.52 | Dustin | why do you have so many ??? variables |
| 16:08.56 | Dustin | and triggers |
| 16:09.02 | Plice | This map was originally made in korea |
| 16:09.03 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 16:09.07 | Dustin | lolol |
| 16:09.22 | Plice | I'm supposed to localize it |
| 16:09.26 | Plice | and make it all work in NA and EU |
| 16:09.33 | Plice | The guy who was doing it quit |
| 16:09.42 | Plice | I was the only one willing to take over lol |
| 16:09.56 | Dustin | I dont think City Of tempest is worth the trouble :P |
| 16:10.22 | Plice | Well I've been playing for a long time |
| 16:10.35 | Plice | It is a pretty competitive game at the high levels |
| 16:11.16 | Plice | But that is all besides the point, do you know what is wrong with it? |
| 16:11.58 | Taintedwisp | you couldnt just localize it like NA does for GB or the other way around in other peoples cases? |
| 16:12.27 | Plice | ?? |
| 16:12.29 | Dustin | Just remake that trigger |
| 16:12.55 | Taintedwisp | Just Altering the Companates list and renaming folder |
| 16:13.03 | Taintedwisp | thats all I ever do, and it works fine |
| 16:13.09 | Dustin | And yeah why don't you just use the localazation tool |
| 16:13.30 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 16:13.31 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/35462-texture-misc-how-to-implement-custom-player-decals/#p1 |
| 16:13.33 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 16:13.45 | Taintedwisp | Localization tool is pointless, Its ALOT easier to just do it yourself it takes like 30 seconds |
| 16:13.50 | Dustin | Jade |
| 16:14.00 | Taintedwisp | Localization tool will increase the size of your map |
| 16:14.00 | Dustin | What the fuck is this, SC1 editing? lol hex editors |
| 16:14.14 | Dustin | I remember having to use those to modify shit in sc1 |
| 16:14.32 | Taintedwisp | DOIN IT IN THA BUTT |
| 16:14.33 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 16:14.37 | Taintedwisp | butter... |
| 16:14.39 | Taintedwisp | s |
| 16:17.03 | Taintedwisp | Hey whats the best way to get someone to upload my map on EU? |
| 16:17.38 | Mexa | Taintedwisp, are you american? |
| 16:17.42 | Taintedwisp | dyes |
| 16:17.46 | Taintedwisp | Yes |
| 16:18.23 | Mexa | Did it ever hit you that if you're going to localize something to europe, you need to translate the map to spanish, french, german, and russian. |
| 16:18.30 | Ahli | u didn't have to hex edit to edit stuff in scbw. :D |
| 16:18.37 | Mexa | I'd rather use a tool for that. |
| 16:18.51 | Taintedwisp | hmm, Possibly. |
| 16:19.01 | Ahli | You need 1 localization in the map, nothing more. |
| 16:19.08 | Mexa | No. |
| 16:19.10 | Ahli | yes |
| 16:19.19 | Mexa | Where are you from Ahli? |
| 16:19.22 | Ahli | Germany |
| 16:19.32 | Mexa | And you only use enGB and it works? |
| 16:19.51 | Ahli | I'm using German and British and I've access to NA, too |
| 16:19.54 | Taintedwisp | Yeah if I put it on EU, im not worriying about other languages, Because the onlything that they wouldnt be able to read would be the Unit tool tips, there isnt much Explaining in my map |
| 16:20.05 | Ahli | I didn't test on NA, but I can play with only my German localization |
| 16:20.15 | Mexa | Ahli, did you ever ask other people about the localization? |
| 16:20.18 | Ahli | if you have added multiple locatizations -> you need all. |
| 16:20.28 | Mexa | Last time I tried, it will show up like missing. |
| 16:20.38 | Ahli | if you have 1, it works with only one (some patch like 1.3 added that) |
| 16:20.47 | Mexa | hm. |
| 16:20.52 | Taintedwisp | Hm, but if there is a localization tool that Switches the language for me, I will use it. |
| 16:21.14 | Taintedwisp | But im too lazy to Google translate every word in my map |
| 16:21.16 | Ahli | it also seems like that it works if you have the localization entries in the components only, but I'm not sure about it. Just my mapping partner said that. |
| 16:21.34 | Ahli | Just use English. Most people can read English. |
| 16:23.19 | Mexa | Well yeah, that's what I usually do. I was only very certain that you need to have the localization done for the relevant languages, even though they are all english inside. |
| 16:24.02 | Ahli | I used that, too. Until I noticed that you only need 1 ;D |
| 16:24.20 | Ahli | but you are right that it wasn't the case some time ago |
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| 16:26.07 | Mexa | Good to know, thanks! |
| 16:26.23 | JademusSreg | (Hex editing was the only was I could set the decal. =D ) |
| 16:26.40 | Dustin | hehe |
| 16:27.09 | Ahli | The editor's localization might matter. But I think you can fix that by pressing that copy to every language thing in the map info. |
| 16:28.10 | Ahli | Else, just rename the folders. I think just adding the localization entries into the components file works, too. Or just rename the folders within the map to your editr's localization and edit the components list. |
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| 16:33.53 | Zanam | the joys of UI construction |
| 16:34.28 | Mexa | The editor's localization? I thought it only had one - the one you have a license for. |
| 16:35.17 | Taintedwisp | Eh, I think im just going to stick to english, and if they cant speak english... well sorry, not to be a dick about it, but I dont speak any of these other languages so I wouldnt be able to be 100% sure my map was accurate after the Translation |
| 16:37.55 | Taintedwisp | I think Im going to try to make the ultimate boss for my teams map. Hey is there a way to Import just the Custom Data entries from another map? and merge them with the current map? |
| 16:40.15 | Dustin | I wish |
| 16:40.49 | Taintedwisp | damn.. |
| 16:41.05 | Taintedwisp | Oh well Ill make it anyways as a test, and Come back to it later. :D |
| 16:41.16 | Taintedwisp | and then Ill replicate it :D |
| 16:43.21 | Taintedwisp | Im thinking using a Dark Archon, That does Black Psi Storms for attack, what do you think? |
| 16:43.38 | Taintedwisp | Simple, yet badass |
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| 16:52.46 | Taintedwisp | Why cant I tint the beams Black? |
| 16:52.51 | Taintedwisp | They refuse.... |
| 16:52.57 | Taintedwisp | I just want them black... |
| 16:53.02 | Taintedwisp | Dark black as possible... |
| 17:10.03 | Kueken | SOME BEAMS CAN BE TINTED BLACK |
| 17:10.09 | Kueken | sry caps |
| 17:10.16 | Kueken | try the mothership attack beam |
| 17:10.22 | Taintedwisp | hmm |
| 17:10.33 | JademusSreg | (I expect it depends on the blend mode.) |
| 17:10.33 | RipperRoo | i ve seen a red beam and i wanted painted black |
| 17:10.42 | RipperRoo | no colors anymore i want them to turn black |
| 17:10.43 | RipperRoo | :( |
| 17:10.47 | Taintedwisp | im tinking instead of 1 boss, maybe 3 boses called the 3 kings? Poison Lightning and fire king |
| 17:10.53 | Taintedwisp | 3 different colored Archons |
| 17:10.56 | Kueken | Jades universal answer: Blend mode :D |
| 17:11.52 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 17:12.04 | Taintedwisp | im thinking i need to put more thought into the king system |
| 17:12.19 | JademusSreg | ( =D ) |
| 17:14.21 | Taintedwisp | hmm where can i get a green archon that looks decent? i could take a swing at modifying the dark archons .dds files and re-upload them under a new name |
| 17:16.05 | Kueken | well, the dark archon itself doesn't look so bad, does it? |
| 17:17.53 | Taintedwisp | i want to have the dark archon, and have a green archon too and not tint |
| 17:18.28 | Ahli | sings "texture select by ID" |
| 17:19.09 | Kueken | ? |
| 17:19.15 | Kueken | the dark archon is green? |
| 17:19.23 | Taintedwisp | I should still make the .dds files |
| 17:19.32 | Kueken | and Texture select by ID makes sense then, yes |
| 17:19.41 | Kueken | if you know how |
| 17:20.43 | Taintedwisp | I know how, but still i need the green .dds files |
| 17:22.19 | Kueken | look up the Dark Archon's used textures in the previewer |
| 17:22.22 | Kueken | and export them |
| 17:23.30 | Taintedwisp | i have all the textures i uploaded them to the map :D |
| 17:25.14 | Kueken | I have the feeling, we are not talking about the same thing |
| 17:25.29 | Kueken | I am referring to the Dark Archon model from the campaign |
| 17:25.33 | Kueken | which is green |
| 17:27.25 | Taintedwisp | theres a dark archon in the campaing? |
| 17:27.32 | Taintedwisp | THATS GREEN!!! |
| 17:27.39 | Taintedwisp | wow... i have wasted the past 20 minutes...x |
| 17:28.10 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:30.34 | Taintedwisp | Teach me not to use Campagin settings.... |
| 17:33.30 | Kueken | wy wouldn't you? |
| 17:33.35 | Kueken | *why |
| 17:34.35 | Taintedwisp | it was just a boss creation map lol |
| 17:34.40 | Taintedwisp | it was just a test map |
| 17:35.31 | Mexa | http://vimeo.com/33521868 |
| 17:35.34 | Mexa | Nice ad. |
| 17:35.35 | Taintedwisp | well its good to know |
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| 17:36.17 | Taintedwisp | appearantly the archon I see on low settings is the normal archon, so thats why it didnt appear different in the campaign |
| 17:36.32 | Kueken | Mexa: The shape detecting stuff you suggested is in place and working, thanks for that :) |
| 17:36.43 | Mexa | Awesome:) |
| 17:37.05 | Kueken | want to test it? |
| 17:37.31 | Kueken | its supposed to be a casting system |
| 17:37.43 | Mexa | Sure |
| 17:37.46 | Kueken | http://www.sendspace.com/file/kllok7 |
| 17:38.10 | Mexa | Beh |
| 17:38.15 | Mexa | Next time, dump sendspace |
| 17:38.38 | Kueken | I take a better filehoster anytime |
| 17:38.46 | Mexa | It opens up this popup http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/69.31.136.5?src=addon-warn-viewsc ._. |
| 17:39.00 | Mexa | (Or rather, wot wll tell you about it) |
| 17:39.06 | Kueken | since mediafire went account-only, that was my only alternative |
| 17:39.30 | Kueken | any suggestions? |
| 17:39.31 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:39.41 | Scorp_ | sc2mapster attachment? |
| 17:39.45 | Mexa | Kueken, http://db.tt/CznOuRD |
| 17:39.48 | Mexa | Dropbox |
| 17:40.00 | Kueken | dropbox works without account? |
| 17:40.12 | Mexa | Oh, well, no |
| 17:40.17 | Mexa | But you never need to log in |
| 17:40.24 | Mexa | It stays silently in the background. |
| 17:40.36 | Kueken | <- misses good ol' mediafire |
| 17:40.44 | Mexa | And you can drop things to your account using the explorer interface |
| 17:41.00 | Ahli | and copy public link :D |
| 17:41.06 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 17:41.11 | Ahli | recently learned that here ;D |
| 17:41.21 | Mexa | You never need to open up dropbox's webpage, never |
| 17:41.37 | Ahli | but I would need more dropbox space :S university stuff is filling my one already ;S |
| 17:41.59 | Mexa | Ahli, yay for referals :> |
| 17:41.59 | Ahli | 83.5% used :S |
| 17:42.19 | Mexa | They recently changed that a referal give 500MB extra space, instead of 250MB :) |
| 17:42.25 | Mexa | *r |
| 17:43.00 | Mexa | :O, what university stuff takes up 2GB space? |
| 17:43.31 | Ahli | yes :S it includes a lot of stuff from older semesters, too. |
| 17:43.50 | Mexa | Right, but I mean, pictures and shizzle? |
| 17:44.06 | Kueken | studying storage space management |
| 17:44.09 | Ahli | yes... pdfs, e-books and shizzle... |
| 17:44.16 | Mexa | I:p |
| 17:44.18 | Mexa | *-i |
| 17:44.46 | Ahli | and like everyday some prick has a program that indexes all files there and adds pib files or something like that for every pdf |
| 17:48.06 | Mexa | :o? |
| 17:48.20 | Mexa | Google docs is a nice option too. |
| 17:48.26 | Mexa | Especially for collaboration. |
| 17:49.00 | Kueken | k |
| 17:49.11 | Kueken | do you got it or should I re-upload it |
| 17:49.30 | Mexa | Oh, right, I did get itP |
| 17:49.32 | Mexa | *:P |
| 17:50.44 | Mexa | Nice! |
| 17:50.59 | Mexa | Abit laggy, though, but I suppose that is mainly for the trigger debugger. |
| 17:51.37 | Vailreth | they need to do something about that trigger debugger |
| 17:51.46 | Kueken | the debugger will go crazy because of the mouse movement events |
| 17:51.48 | Mexa | Np, you can turn off the lag |
| 17:51.50 | Mexa | :D |
| 17:52.01 | Mexa | Right click, and uncheck "Show Triggers" |
| 17:52.07 | Kueken | you can? |
| 17:52.10 | Kueken | wtf |
| 17:52.18 | Kueken | I searched for this |
| 17:52.19 | Mexa | Yeah, I discovered that yesterday |
| 17:52.23 | Kueken | for days |
| 17:52.30 | Mexa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/Starcraft/debug_window_list.png |
| 17:52.47 | Mexa | Never seen that in the past |
| 17:52.52 | Kueken | all hail the Mexa |
| 17:52.59 | Mexa | :3 |
| 17:53.14 | Mexa | Turning off "Show Triggers" eradicted all the lag |
| 17:53.29 | Kueken | well, in the map, you can cast 4 spells |
| 17:53.32 | Kueken | a line |
| 17:53.37 | Kueken | a line starting at the caster |
| 17:53.40 | Kueken | a circle |
| 17:53.48 | Ahli | I wish I could disable the "omg unit is not a missile, but it has the missile flag set to true, omg omg omg" :S |
| 17:53.50 | Kueken | and a circle with the caster as center |
| 17:54.10 | Ahli | actor warning :S |
| 17:54.22 | Mexa | Very nice Kueken |
| 17:54.38 | Kueken | it has quite a high tolerance currently |
| 17:54.48 | Kueken | you can make a square and it counts as circle |
| 17:55.01 | Kueken | but I found that to feel better |
| 17:55.02 | Ahli | and now go and make black and white |
| 17:55.17 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:57.18 | Mexa | Lol |
| 17:57.19 | Vailreth | any one know of a good tutorial for making waves of enemies ? |
| 17:57.49 | Kueken | as in spawn 10 units and make them walk to a point? o_o |
| 17:57.53 | Mexa | I didn't even know that you can doubleclick a unit in the debugger window allowing you to focus the camera on that unit |
| 17:58.10 | Vailreth | yes but how to do that over and over |
| 17:58.52 | Kueken | you mean, how to do it the "best" way? |
| 17:59.40 | Kueken | I would create a custom action, which creates and sends the wave, then call this action over and over again with a loop :) |
| 17:59.53 | Vailreth | i am trying to create a i guess modular spawning system so i can spawn 25 of one unit 25 of a second and 50 of a third or vairations of thise |
| 18:00.11 | Kueken | I doubt, there will be a ttutorial designated for this |
| 18:00.39 | Mexa | Oh shit... I almost jumped off the chair :O |
| 18:00.54 | Kueken | why would you do that? |
| 18:00.58 | Mexa | There was a cat showing up from the right side of my window, and then stared at me |
| 18:01.13 | Kueken | she saw the mouse |
| 18:01.24 | Mexa | Looking up from my computer, there's this beast looking at me:> |
| 18:01.39 | Kueken | draw a circle around her |
| 18:01.47 | Kueken | she will explode, I promise |
| 18:02.06 | Mexa | ;D |
| 18:04.15 | Mexa | http://imgur.com/yuViG |
| 18:04.28 | Kueken | now I need an idea for a map around the system :D |
| 18:04.34 | Ahli | black and white |
| 18:05.10 | Kueken | nah |
| 18:05.43 | Ahli | kueken making something different than experimental maps... :o |
| 18:06.07 | Kueken | probably not |
| 18:06.09 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:06.21 | Kueken | tomorrow I will come u with a new system |
| 18:06.32 | Kueken | or experiment with some other stuff |
| 18:11.17 | Ahli | as usual ;D |
| 18:15.43 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 18:21.12 | SoulTaker916_ | I SUMMON |
| 18:21.13 | SoulTaker916_ | JADE!! |
| 18:21.16 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 18:21.28 | SoulTaker916_ | so u sya change the weapon to a heal hm? |
| 18:21.38 | SoulTaker916_ | seems kinda getto |
| 18:21.46 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 18:22.07 | JademusSreg | IF they insist on attacking your units, give them a beneficial weapon. |
| 18:23.23 | JademusSreg | Actually, let me check something... |
| 18:27.09 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I don't see any order-related fields for the ammo unit. |
| 18:27.20 | SoulTaker916_ | its good |
| 18:27.28 | JademusSreg | So giving them a beneficial weapon seems to be the most efficient approach. |
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| 18:30.20 | Taintedwisp | HOW DARE YOU CAPTCHA!!!, they threw a blurry picture at me |
| 18:30.24 | Taintedwisp | !!!!! |
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| 18:43.23 | Xapti | is there a maximum aspect ratio for a unit? |
| 18:44.19 | Xapti | probably not anything significant if there was, I guess |
| 18:45.40 | Vailreth | what does too many threads mean? |
| 18:45.55 | JademusSreg | Did you mean scale? Showing search results for scale... |
| 18:46.13 | Vailreth | i just started getting and error for 6 of my triggers saying too many threads |
| 18:46.14 | JademusSreg | Vail, it means too many threads, that is to say triggers, running simultaneously. |
| 18:46.31 | JademusSreg | The thread queue limit is 1024. |
| 18:47.14 | JademusSreg | If more than 1024 threads are active any given engine tick, the excess threads fail. |
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| 18:47.59 | IHateYourGuts | :D |
| 18:49.01 | IShadowWolf | True hate comes from the heart >:D |
| 18:50.12 | IShadowWolf | So how is everyone on this Wonderful day? |
| 18:50.14 | Vailreth | but why would it be giving the error for triggers that should not be running ? |
| 18:50.38 | JademusSreg | Vail, something is probably creating too many. |
| 18:53.09 | Vailreth | yes but they shouldnt be |
| 18:53.33 | Vailreth | it started when health drops were created in range of units that are supposed to be removed from the game |
| 18:59.01 | JademusSreg | What are the triggers exceeding the thread limit and how are they executed? |
| 19:00.12 | Vailreth | they modified the length of a bar in a dialog according to the health and enegry of a unit. they fire when that units energy or health change |
| 19:01.11 | Vailreth | but the too many thread error only statred when power ups for health and energy were created in range of the three removed from game units locations |
| 19:03.11 | Mexa | Buggar... I lost my old physics demo I wrote in galaxy. |
| 19:04.31 | Bibendus | aa |
| 19:04.37 | Bibendus | mexa tx for the feedback :D |
| 19:04.48 | Mexa | Np :) |
| 19:06.01 | Bibendus | the mutalisk thing is weird :P |
| 19:06.15 | Bibendus | but it's an old glitch |
| 19:06.23 | Bibendus | since I added them to the game |
| 19:07.21 | JademusSreg | All the triggers have the same event? |
| 19:07.34 | Mexa | I see. |
| 19:07.42 | Mexa | Well, I don't know actors that well |
| 19:08.06 | Mexa | I'm also attaching a screenshot in a moment of what I meant with the mood icons offsets. |
| 19:08.20 | Vailreth | no each trigger has a Unit property CHange event spefiic to the unit |
| 19:08.46 | Vailreth | 1 for unit 1 and two for unit 2 and so on for four units |
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| 19:09.41 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 19:10.33 | Vailreth | the Event for one trigger would be Unit Array(index) property changes |
| 19:10.51 | Vailreth | with each index being for a diffrent unit |
| 19:11.10 | JademusSreg | That doesn't make sense unless you are dynamically registering trigger events. |
| 19:11.58 | Vailreth | i dont understand what you mean |
| 19:13.02 | JademusSreg | Trigger events are registered from the main thread (before the map initialization event). If a variable is not initialized before the events are registered, it's just passing an unitialized value which, in the case of things like units, is a null reference. |
| 19:13.22 | JademusSreg | And null unit references are called Any Unit in GUI. |
| 19:16.06 | JademusSreg | I'm not sure how you're intending to use the unit array; if you're allocating different units to those indexes throughout the game, thinking the event is registered for the variable reference rather than the unit reference, that isn't how it works. |
| 19:16.55 | Ahli | DO NOT USE VARIABLES IN GUI EVENTS ! |
| 19:17.02 | Ahli | because, does not work ;D |
| 19:17.03 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Well said. |
| 19:17.09 | Ahli | so you are starting every event ;D |
| 19:17.11 | JademusSreg | Unless the variable is preinitialized. |
| 19:17.25 | Ahli | obviously it isn't ^^ |
| 19:17.34 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, initialized from its definition, and not from a trigger. |
| 19:17.37 | Vailreth | at map initilaztion i add the units for four player to a global vairable array |
| 19:17.44 | JademusSreg | Yep, broken. |
| 19:17.48 | JademusSreg | Null references, pew pew. |
| 19:17.57 | Vailreth | it works fine |
| 19:18.10 | Ahli | add condition that checks for triggering unit == array[bleh] |
| 19:18.12 | JademusSreg | It appears to work fine because the triggers fire for Any Unit. |
| 19:19.03 | Vailreth | how is it broken and what should i do instead? |
| 19:19.09 | Mexa | Bibendus, http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/15581-hive-keeper-dungeon-keeper-mod/?page=16#p317 |
| 19:19.23 | Kueken | every trigger will work for every unit simultaneously |
| 19:19.26 | Ahli | use any unit in the event and try to find something to filter out the correct actions. |
| 19:19.33 | JademusSreg | 4 triggers registered for Any Unit property change means 4 threads created for every property change per unit. |
| 19:19.47 | JademusSreg | And if they have any waits, wowee, they must be stacking up. |
| 19:20.05 | Bibendus | looking at it mexa |
| 19:20.37 | Bibendus | ooh yeah |
| 19:20.40 | Bibendus | now i get it |
| 19:20.48 | Bibendus | it's related to 2 different types of attachments |
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| 19:21.13 | Bibendus | one is UI the other is floating text |
| 19:21.23 | Kueken | so you got the muta ground unit buggy animation as well? |
| 19:21.26 | Bibendus | when I have the correct icons I'll place them in the inner circle |
| 19:21.28 | Mexa | yeah, I suspected that. |
| 19:21.35 | Mexa | Ah, okay |
| 19:21.37 | Bibendus | that's because I need icons that fit in |
| 19:21.41 | Kueken | heard that multiple times now, I will have a look into it |
| 19:21.53 | Bibendus | yes |
| 19:22.00 | Bibendus | if you make the muta ground |
| 19:22.04 | Bibendus | it looses the stand fly animation |
| 19:22.04 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:22.18 | Bibendus | who knows what kind of weird events the actor has |
| 19:22.23 | Kueken | the pre-made muta only? |
| 19:22.26 | Bibendus | ye |
| 19:22.32 | Bibendus | using the premade |
| 19:22.38 | Bibendus | never tried making a new unit |
| 19:22.42 | Kueken | ok |
| 19:23.20 | Vailreth | but like i said it ONLY happens when the health objects appear where the Removed from play units are |
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| 19:26.37 | Mexa | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s320x320/534019_10150814653515460_550300459_12525136_805516772_n.jpg forever a scone. |
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| 19:34.46 | Vailreth | i still do not see why you believe as i have it now will not work. |
| 19:35.05 | Vailreth | or rather works incorrectly |
| 19:35.40 | JademusSreg | Based on the information available, I expect it will appear to work, until it starts throwing those errors. Haha |
| 19:36.57 | Vailreth | it never threw those errors before UNTIL the power up were created in range of units supposedly removed from the game |
| 19:36.57 | JademusSreg | I don't have enough information to make a more informed diagnosis, though. If you'd like, you can pastebin the triggers, and I can work with that. =D |
| 19:40.22 | Vailreth | http://pastebin.com/ZN3h4Y1N |
| 19:40.54 | JademusSreg | I was expecting more triggers than that. And more trigger actions, for that matter. |
| 19:41.12 | JademusSreg | I mean, why is there a wait at all? |
| 19:41.22 | JademusSreg | There's nothing after it. |
| 19:41.41 | Vailreth | might be a relic of when i was trying to get it working with the debugger open |
| 19:42.01 | JademusSreg | A thread that would run for one engine tick runs for 24. |
| 19:42.11 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:43.17 | JademusSreg | Also, instead of resizing an image, I suggest using progress bar dialog controls, unless the bar is vertical. |
| 19:43.34 | Vailreth | it is |
| 19:43.42 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:44.32 | JademusSreg | That reminds me, I need to test if progress bar rotation is supported. I know it doesn't work for 45 degree rotations, but perhaps 90 will work. |
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| 19:48.19 | Xapti | I wish they added minimap rotation ssupport |
| 19:48.46 | Mexa | One can always make their own. |
| 19:48.46 | Xapti | pretty much needed for any game that fixes viewport to mouse |
| 19:48.48 | Mexa | :P |
| 19:49.09 | JademusSreg | Also, you said the array is initialized from a trigger on map init. So the value of the array index when the trigger event is registered is null, which means it will fire for Any Unit. |
| 19:49.17 | Mexa | Put the miminap on a dialog item, and then rotate the dialog item |
| 19:49.58 | Xapti | bt when you rotate the dialog item, the units on the map don't rotate a well I don't think? |
| 19:50.29 | JademusSreg | Panels are your magical friend. |
| 19:50.38 | Vailreth | i dont understand that Jade why would it be null instead of of the unit im setting the vartiable too? |
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| 19:50.53 | JademusSreg | I'll demonstrate with some code. |
| 19:51.07 | Xapti | regardless of how doable it is. it makes it a ton of work, especially to add support for all the other features minimap uses such as range indicators (rings) or other thins |
| 19:52.08 | Kueken | Bibendus |
| 19:52.27 | Kueken | I didn't find a solution yet, but a workaround, until a solution is found |
| 19:52.41 | Bibendus | like what |
| 19:52.50 | Kueken | you can change the Animation: Baselines |
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| 19:53.11 | Kueken | and change the walk baseline to the stand animation |
| 19:53.18 | Kueken | doesn't look half bad |
| 19:53.20 | Bibendus | oh |
| 19:53.27 | Bibendus | still doesnt work correctly? |
| 19:53.29 | Kueken | but you lose the real walk animation |
| 19:53.44 | Kueken | it won't freeze anymore, though |
| 19:54.09 | Kueken | I will keep trying to find something, no luck so far |
| 19:54.35 | Kueken | this was the first thing having remotely any effect ^^ |
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| 19:56.15 | Xapti_ | damn computer always crashing when sc2 editor is open |
| 19:56.16 | Ahli | what's the problem? I'm using a unit that looks like a mutalisk in my map. so what's the problem with the mutalisk? |
| 19:57.20 | IShadowWolf | Can you explain more ahli? |
| 19:57.29 | IShadowWolf | Because so far it sounds like an Actor Event messed up |
| 19:57.42 | Kueken | if you change the mutalisk's mover to a ground unit |
| 19:57.51 | Kueken | its stand animation will freeze |
| 19:58.01 | Kueken | after you move it once |
| 19:58.03 | IShadowWolf | Huh |
| 19:58.05 | Ahli | I used infested terran as my base |
| 19:58.05 | IShadowWolf | Thats weird |
| 19:58.16 | Ahli | works fine with stand and walk as baselines |
| 19:58.23 | IShadowWolf | Hmm okay do a small test |
| 19:58.33 | IShadowWolf | First set the height to 5, leave the mover at ground |
| 19:58.38 | IShadowWolf | and test it to see if it still does it |
| 19:58.54 | IShadowWolf | if it doesnt then try switching the mover to flying and height to where its touching the ground |
| 19:58.55 | Kueken | its the mover |
| 19:59.03 | IShadowWolf | Maybe its colliding with the ground? |
| 19:59.25 | Xapti_ | the mover is distinct from it's height |
| 19:59.36 | Kueken | yes, if the base unit is a ground unit, it works |
| 19:59.50 | Xapti_ | things can be flying without being in the air, and things in the air can be ground units |
| 20:01.00 | Kueken | not to mention, that air pathing, air collision and air targeting are handled independently ;) |
| 20:01.12 | Kueken | so |
| 20:01.14 | Ahli | also, I've no problem, shadow :D bibendus has with his mutalisks freezing instead of flapping |
| 20:01.28 | Kueken | banshee with mutalisk model freezes as well :D |
| 20:01.36 | IShadowWolf | Still kinda weird. |
| 20:01.37 | Bibendus | y |
| 20:01.49 | Ahli | it's just the stand animation? |
| 20:01.51 | Kueken | but marine with mutalisk model doesn't |
| 20:01.52 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 20:01.52 | JademusSreg | Vail: http://pastebin.com/PEx6Aj19 |
| 20:01.54 | Ahli | so you simply stop the unit? |
| 20:02.27 | Kueken | so, Bibendus, create a new unit for the mutalisk :) |
| 20:02.44 | Kueken | still, I would like to know, which exact field causes this |
| 20:02.46 | JademusSreg | Vail, as you can see from the script, the main thread initializes the map starting in the InitMap () function. |
| 20:03.11 | JademusSreg | First, it calls InitGlobals() which sets the initial values for global variables. |
| 20:03.43 | JademusSreg | Second, it calls InitTriggers() which creates triggers and registers trigger events. |
| 20:03.44 | Bibendus | lol |
| 20:03.49 | Bibendus | but i want to know the cause of the prob |
| 20:03.50 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:04.14 | Ahli | I'm checking that, too... first I need the misbehavior on my screen ;D |
| 20:04.21 | ChimeraLord | DAmMIT I WANT SOMETHING TO DO !!! |
| 20:04.21 | JademusSreg | Then when the InitMap () function ends, the rest of the map begins, and the map initialization event fires. |
| 20:04.21 | ChimeraLord | lool |
| 20:04.29 | Ahli | funny ;D |
| 20:05.10 | JademusSreg | So the trigger gt_VariableInitializer doesn't fire until well after the events have been initialized. |
| 20:05.14 | ChimeraLord | sucks i always get all my ideas Straitend out when other teammates have the map... |
| 20:05.46 | JademusSreg | So even though VariableInitializer sets gv_uninitializedVariable, it does it after the event using the variable has been registered. |
| 20:06.24 | JademusSreg | So gt_UninitializedVariableTrigger's event gets a null value (which is the initial value of gv_uninitializedVariable). |
| 20:07.43 | Kueken | so |
| 20:08.02 | Kueken | I copied every single property of the marine to the mutalisk |
| 20:08.05 | Kueken | actor and unit |
| 20:08.09 | Vailreth | ok i think i understand but i dont think thats what i am doing. i have a global Variable with an array size of five that from what i understand is being intialized as Null, but then during the map initializing tripper i set the 2,3,4,5 indeices of the variable to units on the map. |
| 20:08.14 | Kueken | still freezes |
| 20:08.42 | Kueken | no difference for both of them in XML view except their IDs |
| 20:08.56 | Kueken | so I call hardcoded problem |
| 20:09.22 | Vailreth | trigger* |
| 20:09.39 | Vailreth | not tripper shit how do you mispell that bad? |
| 20:09.56 | Vailreth | rather typo that bad |
| 20:10.47 | JademusSreg | That is -exactly- what you are doing, Vail. |
| 20:11.12 | Vailreth | i have no clue then |
| 20:11.40 | JademusSreg | If the variables are being initialized from the map initialization trigger, that is -after- the trigger events are registered. |
| 20:11.59 | JademusSreg | Which means they are passed a null unit reference. |
| 20:12.39 | Vailreth | ok |
| 20:12.55 | Vailreth | but then why dosent the action Set Variable change that? |
| 20:13.03 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M Titanic in super 3d ;D |
| 20:13.12 | JademusSreg | Because it happens -after- the trigger events are registered. |
| 20:13.49 | ChimeraLord | And here I thought it sucked in 2d |
| 20:14.26 | JademusSreg | You're not giving the trigger event action a variable reference, you're giving it a value (which is the unit reference). |
| 20:15.08 | Vailreth | i dont understand |
| 20:15.10 | JademusSreg | So it doesn't matter what you put in the variable afterward; it's not reading the variable. |
| 20:15.30 | JademusSreg | It gets the unit reference value that's stored in the variable. |
| 20:15.34 | ChimeraLord | Okay guys imma go make an attempt to beat the campaign last mission on hard... |
| 20:17.06 | JademusSreg | Say you register an event for Unit Poops, and you set its unit reference parameter to a variable you know is empty. |
| 20:17.52 | JademusSreg | Would you, sya, 10 minutes into the game, allocate a different unit to the variable and expect the Unit Poops event to automatically start refering to the new unit in the variable? |
| 20:18.55 | JademusSreg | IT's not a rhetorical question; I'm attempting to gauge your understanding. |
| 20:18.59 | JademusSreg | *It's |
| 20:19.09 | Vailreth | trust me i uderstand little |
| 20:19.43 | Vailreth | it makes perfect sense to me that if i run an action to set a varible to a new value that it should |
| 20:20.31 | JademusSreg | That does not answer the question; if you change the value of the variable ten minutes into the game, do you expect the event which had the variable plugged into its parameter to refer to the new unit in the variable? |
| 20:20.45 | Vailreth | yes |
| 20:20.58 | JademusSreg | Alright. That is entirely the wrong way to think about it. |
| 20:21.03 | JademusSreg | Glad we cleared that up. |
| 20:21.20 | JademusSreg | You're passing it a value, not the variable. |
| 20:21.54 | JademusSreg | So whatever the value of the variable is when it's being used at that time is what will be given to the parameter, not the variable. |
| 20:23.23 | JademusSreg | Since you're setting the value of the variable after the variable's value has been given to the trigger event register function, it doesn't change for what the trigger event is registered. |
| 20:24.15 | JademusSreg | And for clarity, here is a mantra: the value, not the variable; the value not the variable; the value, not the variable... |
| 20:25.05 | Vailreth | then whats the point of being able to try to set global variables in triggers? |
| 20:25.08 | JademusSreg | You're better off eschewing the array, and plugging in the unit references directly into the trigger event parameters. |
| 20:25.17 | Vailreth | why even allow the attempt? |
| 20:25.36 | JademusSreg | Vail, you're misunderstanding further. |
| 20:25.54 | JademusSreg | And I'm not sure how. |
| 20:26.19 | Vailreth | i do have severe learning disabilities |
| 20:26.36 | Vailreth | well they seem sever at times like this |
| 20:26.45 | JademusSreg | It's a sequence. |
| 20:27.47 | JademusSreg | You don't drink from an empty glass, then pour water into your glass and expect it to go into your stomach. |
| 20:28.45 | Vailreth | very trye |
| 20:28.49 | Vailreth | ture* |
| 20:29.20 | Vailreth | true damnit |
| 20:29.25 | Kueken | >.> |
| 20:29.31 | Kueken | >.< |
| 20:29.33 | Kueken | that one |
| 20:29.36 | Kueken | Bibendus |
| 20:29.40 | Kueken | its the speed |
| 20:30.09 | Bibendus | wut? |
| 20:30.51 | Kueken | wait |
| 20:30.57 | Kueken | now it doesn't work anymore |
| 20:31.03 | Kueken | nvm then |
| 20:31.23 | Kueken | it didn't freeze for slower mutalisks for one test :D |
| 20:32.12 | Kueken | hm |
| 20:32.17 | Kueken | now it works again |
| 20:32.22 | Vailreth | to use your own analgy what i am trying to do is set the cup out now empty and later add water to it when i feel like it but from what you are telling me i cant do that |
| 20:33.00 | Xapti_ | why does the editor use a bunch of CPU even when the only screen open is like the triggers window and you're not doing anything? |
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| 20:42.14 | JademusSreg | I'm saying your glass is initially empty, then you're drinking from the empty glass to quench your trigger-event thirst, then you're pouring a unit reference into the glass; your sequence is out of order. |
| 20:43.39 | JademusSreg | The correct sequence would be to pour some delicious unit reference into the glass first, then drink from it. Or drink directly from the faucet. |
| 20:45.16 | Vailreth | what if i want to change the unit refrence |
| 20:45.29 | JademusSreg | That doesn't make sense. |
| 20:45.39 | JademusSreg | A unit reference is a reference to a unit. |
| 20:45.44 | Vailreth | right |
| 20:45.55 | JademusSreg | OR do you mean change to the unit for which the event is triggered? |
| 20:46.04 | JademusSreg | *change the unit |
| 20:46.14 | Vailreth | maybe i want a marine this time and a marauder next time or reversed |
| 20:46.28 | Vailreth | depending on what player choice is ? |
| 20:46.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah, no. Definitely not using your approach. |
| 20:46.48 | JademusSreg | But there are ways. |
| 20:46.53 | JademusSreg | For instance, using morphs. |
| 20:47.19 | JademusSreg | The unit reference would be maintained if you registered the event for a specific unit, and morphed it to the desired unit type. |
| 20:48.39 | Vailreth | ok then i am done with triggering |
| 20:48.50 | Vailreth | flat done |
| 20:48.57 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:49.08 | JademusSreg | Or you could make a single trigger. |
| 20:49.30 | JademusSreg | One trigger, one Any Unit property change event. |
| 20:50.13 | Vailreth | if the debugger could display arrays i would beable to understand better |
| 20:50.25 | JademusSreg | I don't see how that would matter. |
| 20:50.40 | JademusSreg | Arrays are variables, so everything I've said is applicable. |
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| 20:51.09 | Vailreth | trust me it would help |
| 20:51.29 | JademusSreg | Elaborate. |
| 20:52.10 | Vailreth | being able to see what the array was doing wile the game is running would help illustrate things for me |
| 20:52.43 | JademusSreg | Ah, but what hypotheses would you be able to test with regards to this particular problem? |
| 20:53.49 | JademusSreg | The problem is caused by something which occurs before map initialization; the time frame perhaps imperceptible. |
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| 20:58.42 | Mexa | Hey Jademus |
| 20:58.48 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:58.58 | Mexa | When people pause in PC, they get kicked, yes? |
| 20:59.14 | JademusSreg | Better to discuss such matters privately. |
| 20:59.23 | Mexa | Fair enough |
| 20:59.30 | Vailreth | from what i understand of what your saying is that an event will use only the intial value from a variable and not a value set during map initilization trigger even if the that event dosent first happen untill after the map intilization ... |
| 20:59.45 | j0bo | hey everyone, how should I go about implementing multiple minimaps? |
| 20:59.53 | JademusSreg | jo, dialogs. |
| 21:00.34 | j0bo | ok, so there's a way to get minimaps of multiple different regions? |
| 21:01.00 | JademusSreg | Naw, you'll need to do it manually. |
| 21:02.30 | j0bo | so use multiple copies of the same minimap and different cuts depending on the region? |
| 21:03.33 | Xapti_ | You'll have to create your own minimap. a copy of the original —if possible— would just have all the same attributes as the original |
| 21:03.41 | JademusSreg | Two approaches. |
| 21:04.29 | JademusSreg | You can either change the dialog control image, or you can create the image inside a panel and "sprite" it, moving it to different sections of the image. |
| 21:05.03 | JademusSreg | Which is to say move the image around inside the panel, leveraging the clipping so it only shows a section of the full image. |
| 21:05.51 | j0bo | ok, I think the second was what I was thinking |
| 21:05.58 | j0bo | what is a dialog control image? |
| 21:06.19 | JademusSreg | A dialog control is anything created inside a dialog. |
| 21:06.25 | JademusSreg | Image is a type of dialog control. |
| 21:06.30 | Xapti_ | Vailreth, events only work with values, ie. fixed/static values, not variables, with the exception of "any unit" (or similar things) |
| 21:06.31 | j0bo | oh ok |
| 21:07.07 | j0bo | so xapti, there's no way to use the game minimap in multiple places? |
| 21:07.20 | Xapti_ | no I don't see it at least |
| 21:07.26 | j0bo | ok, thanks |
| 21:08.03 | Xapti_ | Jademuss can panels be rotated and have everything inside it rotated? |
| 21:08.20 | JademusSreg | Well, might be possible, but you wouldn't be able to reference extra minimap panels in with the current API. |
| 21:08.52 | Xapti_ | I know that SC2 crashes if you tr to rotate the minimap panel |
| 21:08.52 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 21:08.56 | SoulTaker916_ | JADE!!! |
| 21:08.56 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 21:09.00 | JademusSreg | Ya know, I don't think I tested panel rotation, but I could do that quickly. |
| 21:09.15 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:09.22 | SoulTaker916_ | so i use multiple mags with validators |
| 21:09.29 | SoulTaker916_ | and a combine for the command vector |
| 21:09.49 | SoulTaker916_ | so i took it one step at a time |
| 21:10.01 | Xapti_ | I didn't think it was possible to create an effective minimap emulator without an assload of work including many trignometric calculations |
| 21:10.05 | SoulTaker916_ | didnt touch the command vector validation so its still is life not full |
| 21:10.14 | SoulTaker916_ | then i added a validator to the magazine |
| 21:10.16 | SoulTaker916_ | the same one |
| 21:10.21 | SoulTaker916_ | now it doesnt work?? |
| 21:10.26 | Xapti_ | Otherwise someone wowuld have created one by now and released it for uses? |
| 21:12.12 | JademusSreg | That's not an unfair assumption, but not exactly rigorous. |
| 21:12.38 | SoulTaker916_ | oh well i got it to work jade |
| 21:12.39 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 21:14.01 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 21:15.09 | JademusSreg | Yeah, panels don't support rotation, sadly. |
| 21:16.47 | Xapti_ | probably easier making a minimap using unit portrait window |
| 21:17.00 | Xapti_ | then could just rotate the camera to rotate the map |
| 21:17.20 | JademusSreg | Clever. Certainly worth a shot. |
| 21:17.22 | Xapti_ | althoug I'm sure that has all sorts of other problems, like unit attachment or unit size? |
| 21:18.44 | Xapti_ | I don't know anything about portrait window/camera, never dealt with it |
| 21:19.49 | Xapti_ | if multiple units can be included in the camera then attachment wouldn't be an issue, but if it has to be 1 unit, then attachment problems would probably make it impossible |
| 21:30.27 | JademusSreg | Damn, tested some rotation values on progress bars, to no avail. |
| 21:31.44 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 21:38.59 | Bounty | Om Nom Nom |
| 21:39.56 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 21:40.22 | JademusSreg | Wanna play a match of Photon Discs, Bounty? |
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| 21:48.31 | Bounty | Yeah JademusSreg |
| 21:48.36 | Bounty | Join |
| 21:48.56 | Bounty | We can play the new mode JademusSreg |
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| 21:58.38 | IskatuMesk | u mad about it? |
| 22:01.18 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/CWhza.png I patched this junk up a bit |
| 22:03.48 | IskatuMesk | will probably work on it a bit more before it goes in |
| 22:09.21 | Ahli | mesk, are you making a map? :o |
| 22:10.12 | IskatuMesk | Campaign |
| 22:10.24 | IskatuMesk | That fighter needs moar detail. Moar,. |
| 22:15.10 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 22:21.37 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/N31Fz.png some minor detailing added |
| 22:23.16 | Ahli | looking better |
| 22:23.19 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg > this guy will have phoenix-style attack movement, auto blink-evade, manual blink, and a gravity lift drone (whenever the data actually gets made, a long time from now) |
| 22:23.27 | IskatuMesk | I'm sure your tactical AI goodness will make it hilarious |
| 22:23.40 | JademusSreg | Yes, the more infuriating, the better. |
| 22:24.24 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, I work on a variety of things, including finding a general approach for tactical AI functions. |
| 22:24.42 | IskatuMesk | I recommend coffee |
| 22:25.20 | JademusSreg | Which is to say writing a system to handle tactical AI with minimal user input. |
| 22:25.30 | JademusSreg | Or ideally, even none at all, haha. |
| 22:25.44 | IskatuMesk | Soon I'll be ready to tackle my first significant model project of the year |
| 22:28.17 | IskatuMesk | The sound effects for all of these will be fun |
| 22:28.29 | IskatuMesk | and I already have a good take on the voice for the Indra Ogorum |
| 22:33.17 | IskatuMesk | Luckily, Black Sun left me with a massive surplus of audio data that will make sounds for this project really easy to jump into |
| 22:38.58 | JademusSreg | So dark, no human language has the capacity to articulate that suffocating shade so entirely alien and removed from their experience of the absence of light, such luminal vacuity that it threatens to arrest the mind and dissolve the very instruments of rational inquiry. |
| 22:41.04 | JademusSreg | (That's how I would describe your setting. But it's also applicable in part to House of Leaves.) |
| 22:43.21 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 22:44.00 | JademusSreg | (I am afk.) |
| 22:44.12 | SoulTaker916_ | then hoiw can u use the keyboard |
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| 22:59.23 | Ahli | I can execute COBOL programs on my computer now... now I need to understand the language... lol |
| 23:06.24 | SoulTaker916_ | jade? |
| 23:07.47 | IskatuMesk | jade? |
| 23:08.55 | Xapti | jade? |
| 23:09.40 | IskatuMesk | jade!!!!! |
| 23:09.41 | Ahli | you need to highlight him |
| 23:09.50 | Ahli | JademusSreg ? |
| 23:09.52 | IskatuMesk | Think Snake? Snake?! Snake!!!! |
| 23:09.55 | IskatuMesk | but with "jade" |
| 23:10.54 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 23:11.14 | JademusSreg | I disabled the client highlight. |
| 23:11.16 | IskatuMesk | jade do you have a mic |
| 23:11.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 23:11.26 | IskatuMesk | want to be on the cc podcast sometime |
| 23:11.36 | JademusSreg | Parhaps. |
| 23:12.27 | JademusSreg | What would be the topic of discussion? |
| 23:13.04 | SoulTaker916_ | my friggat needs multi-targeting? |
| 23:13.06 | IskatuMesk | what would you want to talk about? |
| 23:13.23 | IskatuMesk | I could ask you about stuff like your experiences in sc2, that boss map, photon cycles, etc |
| 23:14.00 | JademusSreg | That's cool. |
| 23:17.31 | JademusSreg | Ack, a docile little beetle got on me while I was pruning the roses. |
| 23:17.57 | JademusSreg | (Had to take it outside.) |
| 23:18.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, yeah, that should be fine. When should I schedule it? |
| 23:19.07 | IskatuMesk | whenever is good for you |
| 23:19.18 | IskatuMesk | I use vent to record |
| 23:20.00 | JademusSreg | Ah, I just assumed it was a periodic cast. |
| 23:20.22 | IskatuMesk | I do it when people are available and I am awake |
| 23:20.37 | IskatuMesk | since I am on a nocturnal cycle now, that tends to fit best with other people's availability |
| 23:20.44 | IskatuMesk | except lavarinth is still extremely hard to get a hold of |
| 23:20.53 | IskatuMesk | which is why I was wondering if you wanted to take a shot |
| 23:20.56 | Xapti | in the summer I sometimes get larder beetles falling from the cieling |
| 23:21.09 | JademusSreg | I'm going to tentatively schedule Wednesday night, and let you know if it changes. Sound good? |
| 23:21.14 | IskatuMesk | sure |
| 23:21.26 | IskatuMesk | you will probably need to remind me then |
| 23:21.31 | IskatuMesk | since I am super bad at remembering anything |
| 23:21.39 | IskatuMesk | if I am not on irc at that time, send me like 69 cc pm's |
| 23:22.38 | SoulTaker916_ | jade? |
| 23:22.40 | JademusSreg | At that volume, I'd want to build an application to do it for me. |
| 23:22.41 | JademusSreg | Howtospambot |
| 23:22.42 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:22.53 | IskatuMesk | Ask mother russia |
| 23:22.54 | SoulTaker916_ | i need multi-targeting on the ability |
| 23:23.10 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 23:23.43 | JademusSreg | In that case, the persistent should apply a search area, haha. |
| 23:24.07 | SoulTaker916_ | oh search eh? |
| 23:24.52 | SoulTaker916_ | so like a effect? |
| 23:25.07 | JademusSreg | I guess I should have capitalized it. |
| 23:25.14 | JademusSreg | Search Area. |
| 23:25.31 | Xapti | can moving units have rectangular pathing footprints? liek 1x3? |
| 23:25.39 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 23:25.43 | Xapti | I think i heard not yeah |
| 23:25.48 | IskatuMesk | you can't have a custom collision volume? |
| 23:25.49 | IskatuMesk | really? |
| 23:25.50 | IskatuMesk | wow. |
| 23:25.58 | Xapti | all moving units have circular footprints right |
| 23:26.01 | SoulTaker916_ | were would i link that in |
| 23:26.02 | SoulTaker916_ | ? |
| 23:26.04 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 23:26.16 | JademusSreg | Collision radius, so similar to what you mean. |
| 23:26.25 | IskatuMesk | I shoud be careful about putting in long models then |
| 23:27.15 | SoulTaker916_ | jade how do i attach search area?? |
| 23:27.48 | JademusSreg | Collision and pathing footprints are handled very differently by the engine's pathing system. This is most noticable when dealing with forcefields, haha. |
| 23:28.17 | JademusSreg | Taker, your current data chain is something like the following: |
| 23:29.35 | JademusSreg | Effect - Target ability [Effect]-> Create Persistent effect [Periodic Effect]-> Set effect [Effect array]-> 3 Use Magazine effects |
| 23:29.43 | JademusSreg | (not including validators) |
| 23:30.12 | JademusSreg | I'm suggesting the following revisions: |
| 23:31.15 | SoulTaker916_ | well |
| 23:31.18 | SoulTaker916_ | what i mean to say |
| 23:31.22 | SoulTaker916_ | on my period of effect |
| 23:31.27 | SoulTaker916_ | am i adding it in |
| 23:31.33 | SoulTaker916_ | or am i inserting |
| 23:31.39 | SoulTaker916_ | not sure if that made sense? |
| 23:32.36 | JademusSreg | Effect - Target ability [Effect]-> Create Persistent effect [Periodic Effect]-> Search Area effect [Area : Effect]-> Set effect [Effect array]-> 3 Use Magazine effects [Validator]-> respective Unit Compare Vitals validators |
| 23:33.16 | JademusSreg | This has the effect of reducing the data entries in the effect chain. |
| 23:33.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster Stranger (~whois@76-10-161-200.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:33.53 | SoulTaker916_ | so insert |
| 23:34.41 | JademusSreg | Instead of using Enumerate Area validators on each Use Magazine, you can just plug the needed validators directly into to effects, since you've already effectively searched the area via the effect. |
| 23:35.18 | SoulTaker916_ | im not using enumerate area? |
| 23:35.31 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:35.50 | SoulTaker916_ | im using combine and 2 unit compares |
| 23:38.58 | JademusSreg | I gather you didn't follow the instructions then? Haha |
| 23:39.14 | Xapti | Huh I don't think I ever realized there is a silver lava model |
| 23:39.23 | Xapti | Was it used in WoL? |
| 23:39.35 | JademusSreg | Hm, not that I recall. |
| 23:39.38 | SoulTaker916_ | i thought i did |
| 23:39.39 | Kueken | silver lava? |
| 23:39.50 | IskatuMesk | I remember seeing silver lava files in beta |
| 23:39.52 | JademusSreg | It's like mercury or some other molten metal? |
| 23:39.52 | Xapti | yeah that's what the model is called (and looks like) |
| 23:39.53 | IskatuMesk | all I saw of them |
| 23:39.54 | Kueken | I never saw that, I believe |
| 23:39.59 | Xapti | yeah |
| 23:40.07 | JademusSreg | Maybe molten magnesium. =D |
| 23:42.42 | SoulTaker916_ | jade?? |
| 23:42.46 | SoulTaker916_ | i added a serch effect |
| 23:42.55 | SoulTaker916_ | that calls on the 2 magazines |
| 23:43.02 | SoulTaker916_ | but it doesnt want to work? |
| 23:43.39 | JademusSreg | The short answer is "Doing it wrong"; the long answer is too long, atm, as I am busy. |
| 23:43.41 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 23:52.48 | Vailreth | that silver lava looks to me like it fits the unused ice texture |
| 23:53.39 | Vailreth | set |
