| 00:06.01 | Bounty | 12 hours played already |
| 00:06.09 | Bounty | Just released about an hour or two ago |
| 00:06.17 | Bounty | We should get a huge boost when Sixen newses it |
| 00:06.19 | Bounty | mwahaha |
| 00:09.43 | Mexa_ | Good news. |
| 00:35.46 | Xapti | huh.... camera can't follow units that have the cloaked flag |
| 00:35.59 | Xapti | well, |
| 00:36.29 | Xapti | undetected cloaked units that the player doesn't own |
| 00:36.41 | Xapti | which makes more sense, but I still wasn't expecting it |
| 00:37.23 | Xapti | unsurprizingly hidden doesn't work either |
| 00:37.50 | Xapti | pretty annoying |
| 00:40.32 | Xapti | what are some good invisibe actors? |
| 00:41.54 | Xapti | eh maybe i'll just set it's height to -1.5 , quick fix |
| 00:43.23 | Xapti | oh crap that doesn't work... |
| 00:43.41 | Xapti | >:| |
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| 00:48.51 | Xapti | can someone please tell me what's a good invisble actor? |
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| 00:52.15 | tacticmove | o.O |
| 00:52.17 | JademusSreg | Unit flags, No Draw. |
| 00:54.16 | Xapti | hidden didn't work, would no draw work? |
| 00:56.42 | JademusSreg | No Draw makes the unit not drawn. |
| 00:56.50 | JademusSreg | Also, there is an Invisible model. |
| 00:56.55 | Xapti | yeah it does work |
| 01:13.07 | Vailreth | Flyingspatula |
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| 01:37.37 | Bounty | Well this is lame |
| 01:37.46 | Bounty | Sixen still hasnt newsed Photon Discs |
| 01:37.48 | Bounty | so much for that |
| 01:37.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:38.26 | Sixen | yeah, I usually don't put news up for another few hours |
| 01:38.39 | Bounty | well fuck |
| 01:38.44 | Bounty | nobody will be online then lol |
| 01:39.01 | Mexa_ | It's still a saturday tomorrow. |
| 01:39.17 | Bounty | I know but we have ppl in the channel right now |
| 01:39.26 | Bounty | And if ppl join and nobody is here |
| 01:39.32 | Bounty | they will jsut quit out and forget about it |
| 01:39.57 | Mexa_ | How many players do you need to have an enoyable experience? |
| 01:40.08 | Bounty | We have enough for that |
| 01:40.14 | Bounty | I'm just talking about getting ppl into it |
| 01:40.27 | Bounty | New players = More New Players |
| 01:40.37 | Mexa_ | I suppose |
| 01:40.51 | Mexa_ | Or rather, yes. |
| 01:40.54 | Bounty | im getting new players now, but only from TL |
| 01:40.57 | Bounty | nobody from mapster |
| 01:40.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:43.03 | Mexa_ | Well, I'm on my way off to bed. Good luck! |
| 01:43.09 | Bounty | Night |
| 02:29.23 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 02:31.00 | Dustin | hi |
| 02:32.07 | Vailreth | is flyingspatula here by any chance? |
| 02:32.15 | Bounty | Anyone want to play Photon Discs with us? |
| 02:32.19 | Dustin | Has anyone made a plugin that interacted with Galaxy Editor? |
| 02:32.25 | Dustin | Sure |
| 02:32.27 | JademusSreg | In a bit, Bounty. |
| 02:32.34 | Vailreth | i need a test player my self |
| 02:32.36 | Bounty | Channel PhotonDiscs |
| 02:34.08 | Bounty | one mroe for 4v4 |
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| 02:37.37 | egod | sup retard nerds |
| 02:45.42 | Dustin | hi |
| 02:50.44 | egod | dustin why your here and you dont map anymore? |
| 02:50.55 | Dustin | I am |
| 02:51.01 | Dustin | Want to play my latest map? |
| 02:51.08 | egod | prove it |
| 02:52.04 | Dustin | get on bnet |
| 02:52.07 | egod | k |
| 02:52.40 | egod | im in sc2mapster channel |
| 02:52.45 | egod | dont show me some nude pic plz |
| 02:53.50 | Bounty | egod |
| 02:53.53 | Bounty | Photon discs? :) |
| 02:53.55 | Bounty | one more for 3v3 |
| 02:56.48 | Dustin | Egod and me are testin my map |
| 02:57.20 | egod | amg change the UI dustin its a pain to figure out something, i have actuelly no idea what the map is about lol |
| 02:57.44 | Dustin | Whats wrong with it |
| 02:57.48 | Dustin | Theres 3 buttons |
| 02:58.02 | egod | start ity |
| 03:28.50 | Currydevil | woo, time to fix scout movement. |
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| 03:34.15 | egod | the AI is impressive, i like that |
| 03:34.48 | egod | i feel like, im the King of the Base and i donate you gold, you make stuff lol its fun, the main idea work but i dont know about the rest |
| 03:35.04 | egod | the Hero is good to, maybe some improvement |
| 03:35.11 | Dustin | It was fun making the AI |
| 03:35.12 | egod | but stay it simple |
| 03:35.31 | Dustin | Ya im still working it out as I go |
| 03:35.32 | egod | keep it simple |
| 03:35.45 | egod | i would like to have m,y own base |
| 03:35.50 | egod | maybe not share |
| 03:36.29 | egod | or maybe, 2v2v2v2 |
| 03:36.30 | Dustin | Ya thatd take away the whole teamplay concept :p |
| 03:36.32 | egod | 4xbase |
| 03:36.39 | egod | yeah |
| 03:37.00 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 03:37.02 | egod | i would remove wave for something more epic |
| 03:37.05 | Bounty | u should get it on this |
| 03:37.09 | egod | like invaders |
| 03:37.13 | Bounty | its been constant Photon Discs for the last 5-6 hours |
| 03:37.14 | Bounty | pro |
| 03:37.16 | Dustin | They are invaders |
| 03:37.19 | Dustin | What do you mean |
| 03:37.28 | egod | i mean, its to classic |
| 03:37.32 | egod | wave |
| 03:37.37 | egod | Boss are cool |
| 03:37.41 | egod | but idk |
| 03:37.44 | egod | its classic |
| 03:37.49 | Dustin | Hmm |
| 03:38.13 | Bounty | Sixen |
| 03:38.14 | Dustin | So |
| 03:38.22 | Dustin | What if I made another AI controlled town |
| 03:38.37 | egod | and they attack the base? |
| 03:38.39 | Dustin | and it builds shit and sends it at the other base |
| 03:38.55 | egod | yeah but maybe no constanly |
| 03:39.05 | egod | idk |
| 03:39.06 | Dustin | Yeah no itd have to ahve time to build up |
| 03:39.11 | Dustin | Like the current base |
| 03:39.20 | egod | ya |
| 03:39.39 | egod | personnaly |
| 03:39.43 | egod | i have no idea how AI work |
| 03:39.55 | egod | but |
| 03:40.00 | Dustin | Alot of IF THENS |
| 03:40.06 | Dustin | And clever thinking |
| 03:40.07 | egod | ah lol |
| 03:40.29 | egod | well, its the *epic feelings* for that map actuelly |
| 03:40.38 | egod | i would go on with tthat |
| 03:40.49 | Dustin | Ya I plan on expanding the idea even further |
| 03:41.06 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 03:42.00 | Bounty | JademusSReg |
| 03:42.00 | Bounty | lets go |
| 03:42.01 | Currydevil | So, after you program movement for a unit that can move almost limitlessly ... and then you change the direction you number your board tiles.. |
| 03:42.05 | Bounty | we're on game... 50 |
| 03:42.09 | Currydevil | you want to bang your head on the desk. |
| 03:42.09 | Bounty | u gotta come play with us |
| 03:42.10 | Bounty | haha |
| 03:42.41 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 03:42.54 | Bounty | anyone else? |
| 03:42.57 | Bounty | Join channel PhotonDiscs |
| 03:43.04 | Bounty | we got plenty :) |
| 03:43.05 | Currydevil | nope, fixing scout and adding in turns |
| 03:43.18 | Bounty | u should atleast come try out Team Deathmatch Curry |
| 03:43.20 | Bounty | its awesome |
| 03:43.48 | Currydevil | maybe in a little bit. |
| 03:44.17 | egod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2XpXHf0RE check this bounty, the guys said about majesty: Its a pretty fun gamer, but you cant actuelly play it! lol the AI do everything, but its fun for real |
| 03:44.19 | JademusSreg | Invite. |
| 03:44.31 | egod | i mean |
| 03:44.32 | egod | Dustin |
| 03:44.34 | egod | omg |
| 03:44.42 | egod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2XpXHf0RE check this Dustin , the guys said about majesty: Its a pretty fun gamer, but you cant actuelly play it! lol the AI do everything, but its fun for real |
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| 03:53.17 | Currydevil | Why does the trigger editor show 3 of each item when I add new actions/labels? |
| 03:53.30 | Currydevil | the other day it was fine and only showing 1 of each thing. |
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| 04:10.24 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 04:11.10 | Currydevil | When I right click to add a new trigger action, my list shows -All, -All, -All, -Ai, -Ai, -Ai, Dialog, Dialog, Dialog .. etc |
| 04:12.39 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.50 | JademusSreg | Duplicate library bug, perhaps. |
| 04:13.04 | JademusSreg | See any extra libraries in the library frame? |
| 04:14.15 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/bUPPD.png |
| 04:14.19 | Currydevil | hmm, I haven't looked |
| 04:14.53 | JademusSreg | Libraries are in the top left frame of the trigger editor by default, iirc. |
| 04:14.56 | Currydevil | Doesn't look like duplicates |
| 04:14.58 | JademusSreg | Assuming they are enabled. |
| 04:15.16 | Currydevil | or extra |
| 04:15.22 | Currydevil | Just the 2 default libraries |
| 04:15.28 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 04:15.43 | JademusSreg | Does the problem go away if you close the editor? |
| 04:15.50 | Currydevil | no. I close it each night. |
| 04:15.52 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 04:15.54 | Bounty | the radius is 0.1 |
| 04:15.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:15.56 | Currydevil | Open again, and bam! |
| 04:16.20 | Bounty | u think 0.05 will work? |
| 04:16.23 | JademusSreg | Curry, does it do it for all maps or just that one? |
| 04:16.32 | Currydevil | I'm about to check |
| 04:16.50 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I need to know more aobut the methods before I make suggestions. |
| 04:16.56 | Bounty | i already told you |
| 04:17.04 | Bounty | its a behavior that performs the damage AOE periodically |
| 04:17.09 | JademusSreg | Obviously. |
| 04:17.12 | Bounty | 0.06 seconds |
| 04:17.16 | JademusSreg | 0.0625 |
| 04:17.20 | Bounty | with a radius of 0.1 on the damage effect |
| 04:17.21 | Bounty | no |
| 04:17.23 | Bounty | 0.06 |
| 04:17.25 | Bounty | i just checked |
| 04:17.27 | JademusSreg | That's silly. |
| 04:17.28 | Bounty | it says 0.06 |
| 04:17.48 | Bounty | and the projectile speed is 10 |
| 04:17.51 | Bounty | accel of 1000 |
| 04:18.17 | JademusSreg | Does the damage effect use an enumerate area validator for collision or what? |
| 04:18.29 | Bounty | no |
| 04:18.36 | Bounty | its just a straight aoe damage effect |
| 04:18.51 | JademusSreg | That doesn't explain how it detects collision, then. |
| 04:18.59 | JademusSreg | Which is about what I am inquiring. |
| 04:19.08 | Bounty | that is how it detects collision |
| 04:19.13 | Bounty | the damage causes instantly death |
| 04:19.25 | Bounty | then it fires the trigger that does the respawn when u die |
| 04:19.32 | JademusSreg | Nevermind. |
| 04:20.11 | Currydevil | Multiple maps do the same thing to different degrees. A brand new map still had 3 instances of each, and a map I haven't opened in a while only had 2. But the map I am doing now has 3 |
| 04:20.27 | JademusSreg | Curry, that is bizarre. |
| 04:20.38 | Bounty | So what do u think Jade |
| 04:20.43 | Bounty | Could i lower the radius to 0.05? |
| 04:20.53 | Bounty | that would make it pretty much dead on lol |
| 04:20.55 | Currydevil | Indeed, i've had it fix itself down to 1 but i don't know if I did anything or if it did it by itself./ |
| 04:21.05 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 04:22.40 | JademusSreg | I read that the repair tool fixes it. |
| 04:23.04 | JademusSreg | And it is some sort of problem with duplicate libraries being loaded. |
| 04:23.21 | Currydevil | ok |
| 04:23.34 | JademusSreg | C:\Program Files\Starcraft II\Support\Repair.exe |
| 04:23.41 | JademusSreg | One of the posters suggested it. |
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| 04:55.13 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 04:55.20 | Bounty | log on, u gotta see the new hit detect haha |
| 04:56.51 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 04:58.28 | Bounty | its like.. |
| 04:58.29 | Bounty | perfect |
| 04:58.36 | JademusSreg | Alright. One moment. |
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| 05:26.45 | Currydevil | Bounty, care to test with me? |
| 05:32.41 | Currydevil | ping a ling a ling! |
| 05:32.50 | themusic | :O |
| 05:36.03 | Currydevil | Bounty is ignoring me =( |
| 05:36.26 | JademusSreg | We're in a game. |
| 05:36.38 | Currydevil | Yeah, I pm'd him too |
| 05:36.49 | Currydevil | It's a long game eh, or did you start a new one recently? |
| 05:38.29 | Currydevil | Did Blizz put a limit on how many ppl could join a chat channel? |
| 05:38.36 | Currydevil | I can't seem to join Photon Discs now. |
| 05:39.14 | Currydevil | It's giving me a 'Network Error' message |
| 05:42.05 | Currydevil | Ok well, anyone else interested in testing with me? |
| 05:42.12 | JademusSreg | Could move the chat bar below the chat frame, move the chat frame up to make room for the chat bar, and move the announcement frame up a bit and resize it so only one or so messages are visible. |
| 05:42.24 | JademusSreg | Curry, sure. Gimmie 5 minutes. |
| 05:42.32 | Currydevil | ok |
| 05:46.43 | themusic | its not a limit |
| 05:46.47 | themusic | it was erroring last night as well |
| 05:46.57 | themusic | bnet error ftl |
| 05:47.03 | Currydevil | fun |
| 05:47.10 | themusic | not that channel.. but channels in general :) |
| 05:47.18 | Currydevil | ah |
| 05:50.10 | Dustin | dude |
| 05:50.18 | Dustin | Currydevil |
| 05:50.22 | Dustin | My editor does that to |
| 05:50.24 | Currydevil | yes? |
| 05:50.27 | Dustin | pisses me off |
| 05:50.28 | Currydevil | Oh yeah? hate it lol |
| 05:51.27 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 05:51.56 | JademusSreg | Let's test, Curry. |
| 05:52.06 | Currydevil | ok |
| 05:52.26 | Currydevil | join Startego channel if you would please ;) |
| 05:52.41 | JademusSreg | Easier: JademusSreg.950 |
| 05:52.55 | Currydevil | that too |
| 06:06.16 | JademusSreg | My pleasure to find game-breaking bugs. |
| 06:06.27 | Currydevil | Indeed ;) |
| 06:08.06 | Currydevil | I'm curious as how you were even holding you units fast enough. Weere they being deselected at all? |
| 06:08.19 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 06:08.32 | Currydevil | Ok, well that works. You just did it real fast then eh? |
| 06:08.37 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:08.39 | Currydevil | ok |
| 06:09.15 | JademusSreg | In less than 1/16 game second and a little extra from latency. |
| 06:10.05 | JademusSreg | Basically, trying to prevent players from doing something by forcing deselect is not a good solution under any circumstances. =D |
| 06:11.11 | Currydevil | Yeah well =O |
| 06:11.13 | JademusSreg | Whether by event or by a dedicated thread, a player would always be able to select the unit and have enough time to do something with it. |
| 06:12.37 | Repo | New announcement: Photon Discs - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/photon-discs/ |
| 06:13.34 | Currydevil | Do you happen to know what the default 'point and click' selection type is named? |
| 06:13.55 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 06:14.18 | Currydevil | Well, to avoid your fancy control group thing. I can disable selection types. |
| 06:14.33 | Currydevil | ie: drag selection, control groups, select builder, select larva |
| 06:14.49 | Currydevil | So, I disabled every one, but that also turned off normal selection |
| 06:14.54 | Currydevil | I want to turn that one on now. |
| 06:14.55 | JademusSreg | How about not making the units selectable. |
| 06:15.17 | Currydevil | I suppose. But then i'd have to do more to make my unit move =O |
| 06:15.56 | JademusSreg | How does that differ from what you already intend to do? |
| 06:16.10 | Currydevil | Because, i'm using 'unit is selected' as my trigger event. |
| 06:16.28 | JademusSreg | How about Unit is clicked? |
| 06:16.45 | Currydevil | I suppose I could do that too. |
| 06:16.54 | JademusSreg | And remove the Cannot Click flags. |
| 06:17.08 | Currydevil | I'll play around with it. |
| 06:18.19 | Currydevil | Well either way, i found the one I wanted. |
| 06:18.29 | Currydevil | it's selection type 'World Pane" |
| 06:20.13 | Currydevil | Wolrd Panel* |
| 06:20.17 | Currydevil | world* |
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| 06:41.41 | Currydevil | Works much smoother now Jade, thanks for the suggestions. |
| 06:41.46 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 06:50.34 | JademusSreg | Now is as good a time as any to restart my computer. |
| 06:50.35 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 07:21.37 | Dustin | ugh |
| 07:21.42 | Dustin | my launch shit is all fucked up |
| 07:21.42 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 07:22.07 | Dustin | Missile isnt attaching to my site op and my impact effecti s triggering before the missile even gets there it seems |
| 07:24.04 | Currydevil | what siteop? |
| 07:27.29 | Zanam | i too am having missile frustrations |
| 07:27.54 | Dustin | Filter Weapon |
| 07:28.02 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 07:28.22 | Currydevil | can you show me your missile and action actors hosting |
| 07:28.30 | Currydevil | all the hosting fields. |
| 07:29.40 | Dustin | Wtf Ive done this a dozen times |
| 07:29.55 | Currydevil | I dunno. what is new about this missile? |
| 07:30.01 | Dustin | Nothing that I know of |
| 07:30.07 | Dustin | I havnet made a missile effect in a while |
| 07:30.16 | Dustin | But i dont see what could be wrong |
| 07:30.18 | Currydevil | could be you just passed over something. |
| 07:30.24 | Currydevil | I do it ... |
| 07:30.29 | Currydevil | small oversights, all the time. |
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| 07:30.49 | Dustin | What would cause my missile to fly from origin ground to the enemy |
| 07:31.04 | Currydevil | something in the hosting. |
| 07:31.16 | Currydevil | i just made 6 missiles the other day. |
| 07:31.22 | Currydevil | so it's semi fresh |
| 07:31.25 | JademusSreg | Wrong missile in the action actor, parhaps. |
| 07:31.38 | Dustin | Attachment: Launch Attachment Query +AMFilterWeapon00:Center |
| 07:31.52 | Currydevil | oh yeah check that too |
| 07:32.23 | Dustin | nope |
| 07:32.27 | Dustin | Hmmm |
| 07:37.44 | Dustin | lol i fixed it |
| 07:37.52 | Dustin | I dont even know how |
| 07:37.56 | Currydevil | heh |
| 07:45.18 | Currydevil | JademusSreg http://i.imgur.com/20bon.jpg it will be a blue outline for player 2. |
| 07:45.31 | JademusSreg | Fair enough. |
| 07:46.03 | Currydevil | And they place continuously instead of multiple clicks on the button ;) |
| 07:47.23 | Currydevil | Oh yeah, and the ui is gone ;) |
| 07:54.11 | Dustin | oh what that hell |
| 07:54.13 | Dustin | the |
| 07:54.20 | Dustin | My items disappear |
| 07:54.23 | Dustin | how in the fuck |
| 07:57.49 | Dustin | anyone know why an item would destroy itself |
| 07:58.17 | Currydevil | no.. |
| 07:58.33 | Currydevil | unless you have a regio/trigger that is killing something and you didn't exclude the items? |
| 07:58.36 | Currydevil | region* |
| 07:58.41 | Dustin | nope |
| 07:58.49 | Dustin | its in my units inventory |
| 07:58.54 | Currydevil | couldn't tell you then =( |
| 07:58.59 | Dustin | And randomly all items of that type get deleted |
| 07:59.03 | Dustin | lol this shit is weird |
| 08:02.05 | Currydevil | Hmm, it doesn't seem that I can move an actor from one unit to another once i create it |
| 08:02.21 | Currydevil | or create it and hide it. Then move it when I need it. |
| 08:09.38 | Dustin | Ahh one of my damage effects had an AOE search |
| 08:09.43 | Dustin | and was killing my items lol |
| 08:10.08 | Currydevil | nice one |
| 08:11.03 | themusic | yo |
| 08:11.16 | themusic | you guys testing? |
| 08:11.21 | Currydevil | whyyyy, why can't I move a model to a unit after it's created =! |
| 08:11.27 | Currydevil | maybe |
| 08:11.28 | Currydevil | lol |
| 08:11.35 | Currydevil | just trying to figure this actor out |
| 08:11.50 | themusic | why do you want to move a model |
| 08:12.21 | Currydevil | Because, i'm trying to make a visual for which unit you have selected since i made units unselectable. |
| 08:12.39 | Currydevil | but, right now, it's just creating multiple models on all the units. I want it to switch to another unit |
| 08:14.06 | themusic | hmm |
| 08:14.07 | JademusSreg | Now let's see if I will crash the editor or game... |
| 08:14.19 | Currydevil | Make an endless loop! |
| 08:14.22 | themusic | aside from some jenky destroy/create trigger |
| 08:14.31 | themusic | heh, idk what you would do |
| 08:14.33 | Currydevil | yeah. |
| 08:14.38 | Currydevil | I was trying that |
| 08:14.43 | Currydevil | but it didn't work the first time |
| 08:14.47 | Currydevil | I think I might have it though |
| 08:15.19 | themusic | no one will know its jenky as long as it works :O |
| 08:15.51 | Zanam | so apparently having a bad mover makes missile impact effects do very strange things |
| 08:16.31 | themusic | which unit |
| 08:19.16 | themusic | guess its a secret |
| 08:19.35 | Currydevil | who? |
| 08:19.37 | JademusSreg | Didn't crash the game or the editor. D= |
| 08:19.40 | Currydevil | aww |
| 08:19.45 | themusic | =P |
| 08:19.46 | Currydevil | tried too hard. |
| 08:20.04 | themusic | anyone wanna test :) |
| 08:20.34 | themusic | or.. want to be tested >=) |
| 08:20.45 | Currydevil | as soon as i figure out this actor |
| 08:20.56 | JademusSreg | How disappointing. |
| 08:27.37 | JademusSreg | So manually inserting a Texture data id into the MapInfo for a player's decal doesn't work as well as I would like. |
| 08:27.54 | JademusSreg | There we gooo. |
| 08:27.58 | JademusSreg | Got it working. |
| 08:28.09 | JademusSreg | Custom decals, pew pew. |
| 08:28.16 | Currydevil | cool. |
| 08:28.22 | Currydevil | Beacons don't die well. |
| 08:28.34 | Currydevil | At least, not with triggers. |
| 08:28.45 | themusic | my beacons die well |
| 08:28.49 | Currydevil | Kill Model and Actor Message Destroy do their job.. but the model sticks around. |
| 08:29.06 | Currydevil | Well, I dunno then. Because the model is still visible after i kill the actor. |
| 08:29.07 | themusic | arent ur beacons units? |
| 08:29.12 | Currydevil | doodas. |
| 08:29.15 | Currydevil | doodads* |
| 08:29.16 | themusic | oh |
| 08:29.19 | themusic | why? |
| 08:29.20 | Currydevil | i'm just using the model |
| 08:29.25 | JademusSreg | Apparently custom decals need "decal" added to the Prefix and Slot fields. |
| 08:29.34 | themusic | why model and not unit tho |
| 08:29.53 | Currydevil | uh, because I only need a visual |
| 08:30.07 | themusic | units = less buggy :) |
| 08:30.37 | themusic | remove footprint/shadow.. same as doodad.. and it doesnt have random restrictions |
| 08:31.07 | themusic | that take too long to figure out.. lol |
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| 08:35.26 | themusic | when do i get to test ur map |
| 08:35.52 | Currydevil | when i'm done ;) |
| 08:36.10 | themusic | psch like 2 hrs from now |
| 08:36.31 | Currydevil | =P |
| 08:38.16 | Currydevil | oh that's good. |
| 08:39.27 | Currydevil | where is shadow on the actor? |
| 08:41.38 | themusic | forget exactly |
| 08:44.38 | Dustin | Hmmm |
| 08:45.07 | Dustin | I wonder if Id be able to make a chance effect that increased a launch effects damage |
| 08:45.10 | Currydevil | ok, ready to test if you want |
| 08:45.41 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/ZergEmblem.jpg |
| 08:46.01 | Currydevil | cool |
| 08:46.18 | JademusSreg | Looks amusing on the infested terran structures. |
| 08:47.17 | Dustin | JademusSreg |
| 08:47.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 08:47.59 | Dustin | You know of any way off the top of your heard to increase a damage effects damage with a chance effect at launch? |
| 08:48.14 | Currydevil | you can |
| 08:48.18 | JademusSreg | At launch? |
| 08:48.25 | Dustin | Well before it hits |
| 08:48.28 | Currydevil | set a higher dmg effect and do it in a set |
| 08:48.33 | JademusSreg | Have you tried applying a behavior to the source? |
| 08:48.35 | Currydevil | and have the higher dmg have a lower chance to launch |
| 08:48.36 | Dustin | As long as extra damage is applied |
| 08:49.12 | JademusSreg | Behaviors can apply damage mods. |
| 08:49.21 | JademusSreg | So you can apply it to the caster. |
| 08:49.34 | Dustin | But would it go into effect before the damage hits? |
| 08:49.50 | Dustin | but curry devil you gave me an awesome idea |
| 08:49.57 | JademusSreg | Give the Apply Behavior effect a chance, and position it above the launch effect in the Set effect. |
| 08:50.09 | Currydevil | heh cool |
| 08:50.17 | themusic | yo back |
| 08:50.21 | themusic | u rdy or what |
| 08:50.27 | Currydevil | yeah waiting on you |
| 08:50.46 | Currydevil | currydevil.474 or join startego channel |
| 08:51.22 | Dustin | Good idea JademusSreg |
| 08:53.28 | JademusSreg | Relinked: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/ZergEmblem00.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/ZergEmblem01.jpg |
| 08:53.37 | JademusSreg | Decals appear differently on creep, haha. |
| 08:54.34 | JademusSreg | I see why they use monochrome decals, though; they appear much better on the models by contrast. |
| 08:56.21 | JademusSreg | So it turns out modifying the MapInfo file directly allows you to implement custom decals. |
| 08:56.45 | JademusSreg | Add a new Texture data entry, set PRefix and Slot to " |
| 08:56.48 | JademusSreg | "decal" |
| 08:57.43 | JademusSreg | Then extract the MapInfo, hex edit, change the Texture id string, and reimport it to the map. |
| 08:57.46 | JademusSreg | Kapow. |
| 09:00.34 | JademusSreg | I guess I'll post about it tomorrow. Sleep time. |
| 09:01.57 | themusic | 1-0 me |
| 09:02.26 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:03.00 | themusic | some crzy stuff with that grid |
| 09:03.28 | Currydevil | indeed |
| 09:04.15 | themusic | you gonna animate the attacks? |
| 09:04.20 | Currydevil | yes |
| 09:04.27 | themusic | good. hah |
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| 09:05.20 | Currydevil | later on, i am going to implement preset layouts too |
| 09:05.34 | Currydevil | not many but a few |
| 09:07.08 | themusic | yea, couldnt hurt, tho everyone has their own strategy so they think |
| 09:07.14 | Currydevil | of course |
| 09:07.28 | Currydevil | but there are still those who have not played before |
| 09:07.39 | themusic | yea |
| 09:07.44 | Currydevil | i'll setup like 3-4 beginner layouts |
| 09:07.50 | themusic | or lazy ppl who want a starting point to work from |
| 09:07.54 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 09:08.02 | themusic | which would be me |
| 09:08.19 | Currydevil | hah |
| 09:09.09 | themusic | were the beacons u were talking about the "on select" model |
| 09:09.14 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 09:09.14 | themusic | for when u select a "unit" |
| 09:09.37 | themusic | ah, is the beacon a unit or did u use an actor for it |
| 09:09.45 | Currydevil | unit now, it's easier =X |
| 09:09.48 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:09.50 | Currydevil | ty btw |
| 09:09.54 | themusic | yea, cant tell.. lol |
| 09:10.10 | themusic | shortcuts, win |
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| 09:10.41 | Currydevil | cool, looking better. |
| 09:10.45 | Zanam | are there any generic "stunned" models, like the standard overhead swirly |
| 09:11.01 | Currydevil | select unit, select action, cancel action/perform action, end turn |
| 09:11.14 | Currydevil | there is the overhead swirly. |
| 09:11.17 | Currydevil | that's it. |
| 09:11.31 | themusic | yea, swirly is all ive used |
| 09:12.08 | Currydevil | yay! player turn fixed all that goofyness |
| 09:12.37 | themusic | quick fix |
| 09:12.45 | Currydevil | anyway, bed time! I think i'll start working on striking/attacking tomorrow. |
| 09:12.47 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 09:12.47 | Zanam | hrm? not sure if i missed a part of the chat there |
| 09:12.56 | Currydevil | just had to throw it into a condition on 1 trigger |
| 09:13.03 | themusic | nice |
| 09:13.05 | themusic | peace out |
| 09:13.09 | Currydevil | later |
| 09:13.25 | Zanam | which ability in-game uses the swirly, so i can go hunt down their model |
| 09:13.27 | Currydevil | did you Zanam? there is only the swirly |
| 09:13.32 | Currydevil | i'll look it up for ya |
| 09:13.40 | Zanam | <--- doesnt play much actual starcraft |
| 09:14.10 | Zanam | i think maybe the marauders upgraded slow shots? |
| 09:14.19 | Currydevil | unitstunimpact.m3 |
| 09:14.28 | Currydevil | if you want to just create your own model for it and use that file |
| 09:14.45 | Currydevil | i don't know what actual model already uses it |
| 09:14.50 | Currydevil | but that's the base file for it |
| 09:14.54 | Zanam | thanks much |
| 09:14.58 | Currydevil | np |
| 09:15.34 | themusic | queen shockwave? |
| 09:16.14 | Currydevil | could be, i don't pay attention |
| 09:16.15 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:16.36 | themusic | haha, i just think i remember bc i use it in my map.. |
| 09:16.44 | Currydevil | aha, well see ya =O |
| 09:16.47 | themusic | peace |
| 09:18.43 | Zanam | aha, didnt have campaign dependencies loaded |
| 09:18.46 | Zanam | wasnt showing up |
| 09:19.38 | themusic | that would do it |
| 09:43.05 | Dustin | fuck ya this rocket launcher is sick now |
| 09:48.30 | Zanam | arent all rocket launchers? |
| 09:55.02 | Dustin | This one has a chance of launching another missile |
| 09:55.06 | Dustin | Also Crit Rockets |
| 09:55.44 | Dustin | fuck its 5 am already |
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| 14:35.08 | Zanam | interesting... |
| 14:36.12 | Zanam | so i am running some fps tests. 50 units from player, 50 units from player b are spawned and sent at each other. they each have a projectile (non-beam) weapon with a launch sound, impact sound, and impact graphic effect. each also has one autocast ability, which has a beam effect, impact sound, and impact graphic effect. |
| 14:36.55 | Zanam | before units spawned, 60 fps. during the fight, 30 fps. after the fight, 50 fps. after triggering a reset command to wipe the field, still 50 fps. run the fight again, total fps will drop between 9-10 again. |
| 14:37.01 | Zanam | until it gets unplayably low |
| 14:37.30 | Zanam | is there a way to make a debug call to see how many actors are currently existing? i have a feeling some are not being properly destroyed |
| 14:44.33 | Mexa_ | http://iogame.tumblr.com/post/21081960705/after-some-hiatus-we-finally-have-a-few-updates |
| 14:44.48 | Mexa_ | Shameful advertising. |
| 15:11.06 | Kueken | zanam: Might want to have a look at this: |
| 15:11.06 | Kueken | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/actor/ |
| 15:11.22 | Zanam | thanks, i figured it out though |
| 15:11.47 | Zanam | was running the windowed mode with trigger editor, apparently that just slows the framerate down f |
| 15:11.49 | Zanam | from all the reports being made |
| 15:11.52 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.54 | Zanam | works fine in fullscreen |
| 15:11.58 | Zanam | but i'll still use that to debug |
| 15:12.18 | Kueken | yes, performance testing with debug window is not representative ;) |
| 15:14.25 | Zanam | im trying to figure out what models are high in performance demand, specifically beams |
| 15:14.57 | Zanam | my autocast spells have different beams, one beam drops fps by about 8-10 when all 100 dudes make the first cast, understandably. another beam takes the fps to about 4 |
| 15:15.30 | Kueken | well, anything with a high amount of particles, obviously |
| 15:16.10 | Kueken | the drakken laser drill beam is obviously more demanding than a point defense drone attack beam |
| 15:16.23 | Kueken | however, stuff like tinting or resizing has an effect as well |
| 15:16.58 | Kueken | especially non-uniform scaling of particle effects seems to be quite the killer for some graphics cards, from my experiments |
| 15:17.18 | Zanam | is there a quick way to determine the number of particles on an effect? |
| 15:17.54 | Kueken | I don't believe you can look them up directly, without opening them in a model editor |
| 15:18.00 | Zanam | the offending fps behemoth beam from my last test was the campaign tank's beam, the diamondback |
| 15:18.46 | Zanam | im guessing campaign stuff is higher in general |
| 15:18.55 | Kueken | the diamondback beam has a low quality version |
| 15:18.59 | Kueken | you could try that |
| 15:19.13 | Kueken | looks almost the same for my eyes |
| 15:19.14 | Zanam | i did, barely made a difference |
| 15:19.39 | Zanam | so far the archon beam is the lowest in demand, it has zero impact even with 100 simultaneous casts |
| 15:20.12 | Kueken | even compared to some simple ones like GhostSnipeBeam or PointDefenseDroneAttackBeam? |
| 15:20.59 | Kueken | also, it seems to greatly depend on your system and settings |
| 15:21.21 | Kueken | if I set my shaders from high to medium, i can handle like 50 times the effects |
| 15:22.07 | Zanam | i havent tested the snipe and drone one, as they wouldnt fit the ability concept |
| 15:22.11 | Kueken | and some other people seem to have no problem at all with hugely scaled particle effects |
| 15:22.54 | Zanam | i think what i'll do is just find a few and use them as types. all debuffs have beam A, buffs beam B, heals beam C, etc |
| 15:23.01 | Zanam | stick to the most efficient ones |
| 15:23.04 | Zanam | since there will be a lot flying around |
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| 16:08.00 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 16:08.30 | JademusSreg | Io is looking lovely. |
| 16:08.37 | Dustin | what is |
| 16:08.53 | JademusSreg | The indie game Mexa is on. http://iogame.tumblr.com/post/21081960705/after-some-hiatus-we-finally-have-a-few-updates |
| 16:09.44 | Dustin | Oh that sounds like a 3d version of that other game I just played |
| 16:11.17 | JademusSreg | I am digging the art direction for the terrain. |
| 16:13.34 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll be writing a tutorial today. |
| 16:15.41 | Dustin | About? |
| 16:15.42 | Dustin | http://i.imgur.com/48xVH.gif |
| 16:15.59 | JademusSreg | Custom decals. |
| 16:16.25 | JademusSreg | Also, that's adoracruel. |
| 16:18.09 | Mexa_ | Thanks Jademus :) |
| 16:18.59 | JademusSreg | I like the facial expression on the player character. |
| 16:19.36 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of Pinocchio in existential despair. |
| 16:20.23 | Mexa_ | Ah, yeah now when you say it. |
| 16:20.39 | Mexa_ | but yeah, we thoughtthat old bunny n the yellow suit didn't fi in as much. |
| 16:20.48 | Mexa_ | Dmn keyboard |
| 16:21.00 | Mexa_ | bah |
| 16:22.07 | Mexa_ | Brb_ |
| 16:24.01 | JademusSreg | I'm aware the traditional way of implementing custom decals involving file overriding. |
| 16:25.01 | JademusSreg | But I hate modifying standard data and overriding, prefering to avoid it when possible. |
| 16:50.49 | Kueken | and what will your tutorial be about? |
| 16:51.24 | Kueken | how to create a new actor and model in data for the imported decal to use it without file overriding? |
| 16:51.39 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 16:52.03 | Kueken | what do you import anyway? |
| 16:52.07 | Kueken | a custom texture? |
| 16:52.11 | JademusSreg | How To Implement Custom Player Decals Without Overriding |
| 16:52.29 | Kueken | player decals as in on the units? |
| 16:52.32 | JademusSreg | Well, you certainly can use custom textures, yes, that is the appeal. |
| 16:52.33 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:52.39 | JademusSreg | For players. |
| 16:53.05 | Kueken | should be fairly simpe |
| 16:53.07 | JademusSreg | Such as would be declared in the Player Properties, to clarify further. |
| 16:54.16 | JademusSreg | Examples: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/ZergEmblem00.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/ZergEmblem01.jpg |
| 16:55.17 | Kueken | changing those is very simple using Texture Select by ID, you don't even need to set up the models or add slots to the texture |
| 16:55.43 | Kueken | not sure about the player properties stuff, though |
| 16:56.31 | JademusSreg | Further (needless) clarification: This is a tutorial detailing how to implement custom player decals, not emulate custom player decals. No Texture Select By Id, no actor or model shenanigans, nothing of the sort. |
| 16:57.07 | JademusSreg | It's not a work around. |
| 16:57.17 | Kueken | okay |
| 17:12.34 | Zanam | it would appear i'm in need of some aid in the scripting department |
| 17:16.59 | Kueken | I guess, you are in the right place, then ;) |
| 17:16.59 | Kueken | nothing, Jade can't slove |
| 17:16.59 | Kueken | *solve |
| 17:18.58 | Currydevil | No no, he's definately a slover. |
| 17:19.02 | Currydevil | whatever that is. |
| 17:19.09 | Zanam | ive realized my systems will lose a ton of their fps lag, be easier to update in the future, and be less... janky, if i moved all my weapon missiles and beams to actors summoned by triggers |
| 17:19.52 | Zanam | ive got ... part of it. beams are working but with a janky evil wait in the trigger to remove it from existence, i havent figured out how to set up an actor timer through one made in a trigger |
| 17:20.21 | Dustin | Woah |
| 17:20.29 | Kueken | yhm |
| 17:20.30 | Dustin | Natural Selection 2 is coming along nicely now |
| 17:20.49 | Kueken | what exactly is the problem, that you want all your actors to be trigger-created? |
| 17:21.15 | Zanam | pretty much |
| 17:21.42 | Kueken | heh :) |
| 17:21.48 | Currydevil | are they data right now? |
| 17:21.56 | Kueken | no, the question was, why do you need that |
| 17:22.01 | Kueken | poorly formulated, though |
| 17:22.02 | Zanam | ah |
| 17:22.19 | Zanam | i color code all the effects to the players color (and eventually, even more colors beyond that) |
| 17:22.46 | Kueken | and why can't you do that via trigger? |
| 17:23.14 | Kueken | for data created actors? |
| 17:23.23 | Zanam | how can you call an event on a data-based actor that could have multiple instances at any time? |
| 17:23.56 | JademusSreg | is a slover. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slover |
| 17:24.01 | Kueken | you dont need to call an event, you can send the actor messages directly via trigger |
| 17:24.29 | Zanam | lets say a projectile from a weapon |
| 17:24.31 | Currydevil | nice jade |
| 17:24.49 | JademusSreg | Kueken is correct. Alternately, you can send the actor a signal, to reduce the complication of formatting an actor message. |
| 17:24.58 | JademusSreg | Depends on your needs. |
| 17:25.06 | Kueken | projectile is always a unit |
| 17:25.15 | Kueken | so you can catch the unit creation event |
| 17:25.25 | Kueken | and send the tint color message to the units actor |
| 17:25.27 | Zanam | ...right. facepalm. what about a beam effect? |
| 17:26.02 | Kueken | you can use the ActorFromScope function to get specific actors from the unit scope |
| 17:26.35 | Kueken | could even use aliases to do the same actions for all beams, without specifying each one |
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| 17:26.52 | Zanam | i meant the event necessary to catch it, if its not tied to a weapon |
| 17:27.10 | Kueken | it usually should be tied to an effect |
| 17:27.46 | Zanam | aha, use the effect event to catch it |
| 17:27.59 | Kueken | probably, yes |
| 17:28.25 | Kueken | I think, the effect will use its own actor scope |
| 17:28.40 | Kueken | so you can get the scope of the effect, and the actor from this scope |
| 17:29.33 | Zanam | i will have to try that out, but should i end up still wanting to create them all from triggers anyway (testing shows this reduced fps), jade would be the one to talk to? |
| 17:30.03 | Kueken | I guess |
| 17:30.24 | Zanam | it appears i have some work to do then, thanks for the help |
| 17:30.27 | Zanam | :D |
| 17:30.28 | Kueken | however, data is usually known to handle things more performant than triggers |
| 17:30.53 | Kueken | if it is the other way around for you, it suggests some error on your part handling the data |
| 17:32.08 | Kueken | anyway, I couldn't even tell, if your approach of creating all actors via trigger, or create via data and tint via trigger is easier, faster to implement or better for the performance |
| 17:36.47 | Zanam | ill be thoroughly testing that |
| 17:37.03 | Zanam | there will be a lot of units and a lot of effects in the project, so performance is the #1 factor |
| 17:37.30 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 17:37.35 | JademusSreg | What's the project? |
| 17:38.07 | JademusSreg | And are you a GUI trigger user or a galaxy scripter? |
| 17:39.00 | Zanam | gui, but programmer that just never learned the script. started in sc 1 days long before college and havent broke the UI habit |
| 17:39.59 | JademusSreg | No worries. GUI just makes my eyes hemorrhage. |
| 17:40.11 | JademusSreg | I just inquire so I know how best to respond. |
| 17:40.34 | JademusSreg | So your project is a First Person Shooter? |
| 17:42.39 | Zanam | oh no, it's a top-down unit war, a revival of my old project, shape wars. its got a lot of defining features, like an arena generator, the color-coded everything makes for battles to look like a laser light fireworks show |
| 17:42.56 | JademusSreg | Ah, neato. |
| 17:43.15 | JademusSreg | Got any screenshots or is it all conceptual at this point? |
| 17:43.31 | Zanam | ugly... just saw the effect event trigger demands both the player definition and the effect, cant do a 'catchall' |
| 17:44.20 | JademusSreg | Bounty did a "catchball" mechanic in one of his maps, as I recall, so it is certainly possible. |
| 17:44.30 | Mexa_ | Hey Jademus, Beier implemented a neat feature fairly recently in galaxy++ |
| 17:44.34 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 17:44.56 | Mexa_ | You can now override the [] operator for a type |
| 17:45.05 | Mexa_ | Say unitgroup:D |
| 17:45.07 | Zanam | nothing for the revival/sequel but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhExoAUNzE is the original video for the old one from 2010... nothing but the level generator is the same really |
| 17:45.09 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 17:46.24 | JademusSreg | That is adorable, Zanam. |
| 17:46.50 | JademusSreg | Had to mute it because I'm busy, but the aesthetic is retro-cute. |
| 17:46.57 | Zanam | that was the idea |
| 17:47.09 | Zanam | and with my newfound knowledge of the banking system |
| 17:47.13 | Zanam | this sequel will have a level editor |
| 17:47.34 | JademusSreg | So what mechanics are problematic to implement? |
| 17:48.06 | Zanam | well the color coding is done through actor terms, referring to a research upgrade that is given at map init. turns out that drops performance |
| 17:48.15 | JademusSreg | Mexa, if only such things were natively supported. =D |
| 17:49.01 | Zanam | there arent many abilities total, so i was thinking if i had just two functions, one for a beam, one for a missile, i can store everything else in constants |
| 17:49.08 | Zanam | the model, scale, etc. |
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| 17:50.27 | Zanam | the function would create the actor based on two units, color it based on the color constants i already have set up, set the scale... the problem i'm having is destroying the actor |
| 17:50.53 | JademusSreg | I can think of a variety of ways to apply tint. Triggered actor messages work, but the scope doesn't seem appropriate. |
| 17:51.24 | JademusSreg | Let me check something... |
| 17:52.32 | Zanam | my other concern is performance. for the last couple hours ive been running series of 50 unit vs 50 unit tests with different ways of applying tint, different beam effects, trying to reduce the fps lag as much as possible. so far, the triggered actors were by far the best performing, but i havent tried tint via effect event and actor message |
| 17:53.14 | JademusSreg | I have an idea, but I'd need to test it. |
| 17:53.18 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 17:53.32 | Zanam | much appreciated |
| 18:02.15 | JademusSreg | To clarify, to what do you need to apply tinting and under what circumstances? |
| 18:03.27 | Zanam | in terms of actors, missiles and beams. beams and missiles from various autocasted abilities, and one missile from a weapon |
| 18:03.54 | Zanam | oh, and one-shot spell effects, like impacts |
| 18:04.13 | JademusSreg | And you want to tint them team color, yes? |
| 18:04.38 | Zanam | based on rgb values, eventually i will be adding in more colors than what is available |
| 18:05.01 | Zanam | who knows, maybe even a choose-your-own-color |
| 18:05.07 | JademusSreg | So it needs to support arbitrary color values. |
| 18:05.07 | Zanam | define your own rgb values |
| 18:05.11 | Zanam | correct |
| 18:05.44 | JademusSreg | Trigger is definitely the best route, then; not given the current scope, but the scope of the extensions. |
| 18:06.30 | xeloet | triggers will always be slower than pure actor data |
| 18:06.41 | JademusSreg | Benchmark it, xel. |
| 18:06.49 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, that statement is unsupported. |
| 18:06.57 | Zanam | most of the data is still in the actors, just the graphical effects will be triggered |
| 18:07.15 | JademusSreg | The most obvious issue with using triggers is the thread queue limit. |
| 18:08.12 | Zanam | which brings up another question i had, if i had an ability event with a catchall and used a series of if's to determine the ability, is that less efficient than stating the ability in the event? |
| 18:08.17 | JademusSreg | No more than 1024 threads can be queued for a single engine tick, (1/16)==0.0625 game seconds. |
| 18:08.31 | Zanam | i.e. are the parameters of an event more than just a condition |
| 18:08.34 | xeloet | no, the problem is that triggers are running interpreted bytecode and have to marshal values between galaxy and c++, whereas actor data runs in pure c++ |
| 18:09.06 | JademusSreg | Xel, it's not that you're wrong, and the reasoning is sound, but the assertion is not demonstrated to be factual. |
| 18:09.59 | Zanam | so that brings me back to the original question, how do i properly destroy the actors, specifically the beams, after a certain delay? |
| 18:10.10 | Zanam | the missiles should destroy themselves |
| 18:10.55 | JademusSreg | Zan, depends on the needs. The advantage of declaring the parameter in the event is that a new thread is created only for the case when the parameter object type is created. |
| 18:11.12 | JademusSreg | As opposed to conditions, which are evaluated after the thread has been created. |
| 18:11.19 | Zanam | i know theres a timer and timer event within actors that could be used, but how would I define it in the actor creation action? |
| 18:11.27 | Zanam | timerSet i think it is |
| 18:11.39 | Zanam | and timerExpired |
| 18:12.03 | JademusSreg | Missiles will destroy themselves when their duration exceeds the Mover timeout. |
| 18:12.26 | JademusSreg | Missile movers can define missile lifespan, conveniently. |
| 18:12.48 | JademusSreg | Destroying the actor without destroying the missile would result in a bunch of leaky missiles. |
| 18:12.52 | JademusSreg | So to speak. |
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| 18:13.44 | Zanam | i think you lagged out jade |
| 18:13.49 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:13.56 | Zanam | i got what appears to be the last half of a bunch of lines :P |
| 18:14.03 | Zanam | first one "as opposed to conditions" |
| 18:14.35 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/BRxph4WU |
| 18:14.46 | SoulTaker916_ | jade r u busy today? |
| 18:14.55 | JademusSreg | I'm busy everyday, forever. |
| 18:15.10 | Zanam | alright, that makes sense, so i can reduce the threadcount by just using multiple triggers for the actions |
| 18:15.19 | Zanam | that call the actor creations |
| 18:15.24 | SoulTaker916_ | i was hoping u could tutor me in making a flying command center bio dome act like a carrier with scv and medics that repair and heal |
| 18:15.37 | JademusSreg | Not exactly. |
| 18:16.39 | SoulTaker916_ | ill be back after shower and breakfdast |
| 18:17.01 | JademusSreg | Like I said, depends on the circumstances. If you have only a few effects that need to be handled out of a large set of effects, and each effect requires different code, it makes sense to give each their own trigger with an event specifying the effect. |
| 18:18.57 | Zanam | i think the seperate event would be best for me then |
| 18:18.58 | JademusSreg | On the other hand, if many effects will share the same code, it makes sense to use a single event, assuming a smaller volume of effect instances. |
| 18:19.58 | JademusSreg | And the third option, when there are a lot of effects, in both set and instance volume, that require trigger handling and the code is very different for each, you can make an event handler trigger. |
| 18:20.03 | Zanam | in this particular case, it's one of roughly 20 autocasted abilities, on a 5 second cooldown, on potentially hundreds of units |
| 18:22.40 | Zanam | im afraid i have to go to work, but i'd love to talk with you more on this. you've been a great insight. since i am going the trigger route (events still to be decided), i'll probably be back to ask for help on the function calls that create the actors |
| 18:22.45 | JademusSreg | Well, assuming each unit could only use an ability to apply one effect each engine tick (a worst-case assumption), the number of threads would be n, where n is the number of units & effects. |
| 18:23.32 | JademusSreg | So worst-case only accounting for Any Effect event, you'd still have a lot of free space in the queue. |
| 18:23.41 | JademusSreg | Assuming n < 1024, haha. |
| 18:24.58 | Zanam | it would be far below that i would think |
| 18:25.23 | Zanam | http://pastebin.com/mYh8LmQ3 thats what i have so far |
| 18:25.36 | Zanam | and it took me quite awhile to understand just that :P found it on the forums |
| 18:25.49 | Zanam | but i think i can add to it now that i know more |
| 18:27.25 | Zanam | thanks again for the help, as much as i want to dive into it... duty calls |
| 18:27.31 | JademusSreg | I understand. |
| 18:27.32 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 18:40.21 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 18:41.19 | JademusSreg | Taker, I'm not exactly the step-by-step tutor type of instructor. =D |
| 18:41.35 | SoulTaker916_ | im asking for supervision |
| 18:41.36 | SoulTaker916_ | and help |
| 18:41.45 | JademusSreg | I could go over each of the data types involved to help you understand and enable you to make it yourself, though. |
| 18:42.07 | SoulTaker916_ | well i was goping to private message the steps im taking and u can correct |
| 18:42.25 | SoulTaker916_ | correct and add along the way |
| 18:42.35 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 18:42.47 | JademusSreg | So I'll adjust your course, so to speak. |
| 18:42.47 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:48.21 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 19:42.45 | ckSynergy | anyone familiar with map/mod debugging? |
| 19:43.11 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
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| 19:44.56 | ckSynergy | I have maybe 10 triggers and 100s of action definitons and functions. How do I find out which one is throwing an error without setting them all to "create thread"? |
| 19:44.57 | ckSynergy | lol |
| 19:46.21 | JademusSreg | Disable them. |
| 19:46.28 | JademusSreg | One by one. |
| 19:47.05 | ckSynergy | facepalms. |
| 19:47.10 | ckSynergy | This is gonna be fun :/ |
| 19:52.13 | ckSynergy | ok, another question, whats the max size a file can be? Occasionally itll thow a "trigger library too large" error. |
| 19:55.21 | JademusSreg | Haha. Ouch. |
| 19:56.40 | JademusSreg | I don't know what the limit is on library sizes, since I do not usually use GUI. The library files are XML data that instruct the trigger editor how and what script to generate, so they can get pretty bloated. |
| 19:56.53 | Dustin | damn |
| 19:56.57 | Dustin | that idea for a crit doesnt work |
| 19:56.59 | JademusSreg | The limit on script file sizes is 5MiB, though. |
| 19:57.11 | Dustin | unless... |
| 19:58.26 | ckSynergy | thanks for the info |
| 20:02.45 | Currydevil | non nested loops: 'pick each int' or 'for' loops? |
| 20:03.16 | JademusSreg | I prefer for loops. |
| 20:04.36 | ckSynergy | for loops are faster |
| 20:04.46 | ckSynergy | but its marginal |
| 20:04.52 | ckSynergy | right? |
| 20:06.03 | Dustin | JademusSreg |
| 20:06.32 | Dustin | I setup my crit shit like you talked about last night, I have the Crit Behavior applying effect above the Launch effect |
| 20:06.56 | Dustin | But I need to be able to apply a behavior to the rocket |
| 20:07.21 | Dustin | but all the types, Source, Caster, Outer are my main hero |
| 20:07.40 | JademusSreg | Easy. But then at that point, you may as well use a switch effect to apply different damage values. |
| 20:07.58 | JademusSreg | Chance on the first one, fallback to default. |
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| 20:13.26 | Dustin | Ya |
| 20:13.34 | Dustin | This isnt applying the damage before the missile launches |
| 20:13.38 | Dustin | for some reason |
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| 20:34.43 | Dustin | Ugh this is becoming a pain |
| 20:50.07 | Dustin | Hell ya this works better |
| 20:50.24 | Dustin | I just make the critical apply to the next attack |
| 20:50.26 | Dustin | Muahah |
| 20:50.50 | Currydevil | lol |
| 20:50.56 | Mexa_ | Did sc2mapster just die? |
| 20:51.01 | Currydevil | no? |
| 20:51.20 | Mexa_ | Refresh? |
| 20:52.09 | Mexa_ | Meh, there was no point of even asking. http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sc2mapster.com |
| 20:52.55 | Currydevil | oh the site, yeah |
| 20:53.02 | Currydevil | I haven't been to it yet today until now. |
| 20:53.05 | Currydevil | Bad Gateway |
| 20:53.15 | Mexa_ | 502 Bad Gateway it seems. Herpderp |
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| 21:26.19 | SoulTaker916_ | jade is gone :( |
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| 21:36.56 | Bounty | Nom Nom |
| 21:37.19 | Currydevil | Bounty, you should test with me tonight when I get off work. |
| 21:37.29 | Bounty | sounds good |
| 21:37.35 | Bounty | Photon Discs is at 120 hours |
| 21:37.41 | Bounty | they dont need me to play all the time now |
| 21:37.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:37.44 | Currydevil | nice |
| 21:37.56 | Bounty | Been grinding ranks all day |
| 21:38.11 | Bounty | Just released the rank update and im alrdy 14 : |
| 21:38.14 | Bounty | :)* |
| 21:38.20 | Currydevil | haha |
| 21:38.25 | Currydevil | going to add ranks to mine too. |
| 21:38.34 | Bounty | goodie >< |
| 21:38.44 | Currydevil | win/loss record anyway |
| 21:39.04 | Bounty | ah, well mine is just a straight xp system |
| 21:39.07 | Bounty | that u get from kills |
| 21:39.11 | Currydevil | ah |
| 21:39.13 | Currydevil | cool |
| 21:39.14 | Bounty | and u progress in titles, and the way you look |
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| 21:39.44 | Currydevil | grr, how do I save a model to a data table, it's under actor right? =( do I just use the name of the model file as the string? |
| 21:40.09 | Bounty | no idea honestly |
| 21:40.14 | Bounty | i never used data tables |
| 21:40.18 | Bounty | from triggers |
| 21:40.36 | Currydevil | well, i on;y want to use data table now because it will be easier to index it |
| 21:40.53 | Currydevil | without having to add any extra loops |
| 21:42.33 | Currydevil | gah, well I have to go to work |
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| 22:32.18 | Vailreth | hello |
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| 22:59.03 | equinox1911 | hihi |
| 22:59.47 | IskatuMesk | hihi |
| 22:59.55 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
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| 23:01.29 | CLAIMS | ? |
| 23:01.35 | CLAIMS | Damn captcha confused me |
| 23:01.39 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:01.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 23:02.54 | Taintedwisp | Hey is there an Easy way to Change a cliff from Organic to manmade? |
| 23:03.31 | JademusSreg | Hm. Can't say I've ever had need to do so. I wonder if there is an option for that. |
| 23:04.27 | Taintedwisp | I can Alter the Terrain Texture set... but I dont want to do all of them... |
| 23:04.35 | Taintedwisp | Just one... |
| 23:04.37 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 23:04.49 | Taintedwisp | And it isnt my map So i cant guerentee anything.. |
| 23:05.15 | JademusSreg | If it's just one, you can paint over it. |
| 23:05.57 | JademusSreg | Tools -> Brush -> Allow Cliff Merging. |
| 23:06.01 | Bounty | JAdemusSreg |
| 23:06.04 | Bounty | 140 hours played :) |
| 23:06.10 | JademusSreg | That should allow you to paint over the old cliff. |
| 23:06.18 | JademusSreg | Bounty, neato. |
| 23:06.24 | Bounty | I added a new leveling system |
| 23:06.37 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
| 23:06.39 | Mexa_ | Wht page does that equal to? |
| 23:06.40 | Taintedwisp | Yeah and your bar distracts me when its about to evel... |
| 23:06.41 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 23:06.44 | JademusSreg | Burst abilities? Yes/no? |
| 23:06.48 | IskatuMesk | I'm designing a lot of the Necronomicon units around tactical AI abuse |
| 23:06.52 | Bounty | no Jade |
| 23:07.01 | Bounty | People seem to like it this way |
| 23:07.13 | Taintedwisp | I start seeing that bar about to ding, and then I get into a hurry, and BOOM i get killed 50 times... no kills |
| 23:07.14 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 23:07.19 | JademusSreg | Mexa, wat? This is jesting joke, yes? |
| 23:07.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:07.23 | JademusSreg | Bounty, alright. |
| 23:07.29 | Bounty | I'm rank 19 TaintedWisp |
| 23:07.30 | JademusSreg | Mesk, cool. |
| 23:07.30 | Bounty | one more |
| 23:07.32 | Bounty | >< |
| 23:07.36 | Taintedwisp | im like 14 lol |
| 23:08.01 | Taintedwisp | It said that at level 10 new model? how do I acess it ? |
| 23:08.08 | Bounty | its automatic |
| 23:08.17 | Taintedwisp | What is it? because I didnt get it |
| 23:08.25 | Bounty | try it again |
| 23:08.28 | Bounty | it should be working now |
| 23:08.36 | Bounty | level 10 u get some more armor on ur guy |
| 23:08.45 | Mexa_ | Jadeus, hm? |
| 23:08.47 | Mexa_ | *m |
| 23:09.13 | Mexa_ | How should I know what page 140hours are on the US server? |
| 23:09.25 | JademusSreg | I see, asking what page Photon Discs is on. |
| 23:09.37 | JademusSreg | That should put it around the same as PC, iirc. |
| 23:09.57 | Mexa_ | Ah |
| 23:10.00 | JademusSreg | Bounty, armor? |
| 23:10.19 | Mexa_ | Hows PC going in US btw, Jademus? |
| 23:10.27 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 23:10.29 | Bounty | Cosmetic |
| 23:10.31 | Bounty | not literal armor |
| 23:10.33 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 23:10.46 | JademusSreg | PC is the same as ever. |
| 23:11.04 | JademusSreg | Working on an update, of course, but that will take a while. |
| 23:11.06 | Mexa_ | I don't know what page that is:P |
| 23:11.22 | Taintedwisp | Im level 13 and I dont see any change |
| 23:11.37 | JademusSreg | It oscillates between page 2 and 3 of the custom map list. |
| 23:11.42 | Taintedwisp | WAIT |
| 23:11.44 | Mexa_ | Alright, that's nice |
| 23:11.55 | Taintedwisp | one of my shoulders is a little bigger |
| 23:14.22 | Kueken | can you send messages to the death acor of a unit |
| 23:14.27 | Kueken | *actor |
| 23:14.37 | Kueken | like changing its size or tint color? |
| 23:14.48 | Kueken | somehow, nothing seems to have any effect |
| 23:15.03 | Kueken | even if I directly add it do the DeathModel actor |
| 23:16.42 | IskatuMesk | BEARS |
| 23:18.12 | JademusSreg | Odd, Kueken. Can't say I've ever had need to do so. But I'd expect a custom DeathModel actor would work, strange that it doesn't. |
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| 23:27.34 | Kueken | it seems they changed the behavior |
| 23:28.05 | Kueken | as in the actor does not get destroyed instantly on death and spawns a death actor, but it swaps the model to the death animation |
| 23:38.25 | Kueken | or not |
| 23:38.29 | Kueken | I have 2 maps |
| 23:38.50 | Kueken | in one of them only recoloring the _DeathModel actor on unit death works |
| 23:39.03 | Kueken | in the other one, only recoloring the actual unit actor does |
| 23:39.38 | Kueken | same unit, same death model, same actor message, except different target field |
| 23:39.46 | Kueken | great -.- |
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| 23:46.26 | Kueken | ok, coloring the death model does seem to recolor the unit actor as well, because they are colored on reviving. Also clearing the tint color on revive fails about 50% of the time. |
| 23:46.43 | Kueken | And specifying a lable for this tint makes it not work at all |
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| 23:54.50 | Mexa_ | Oh noes, silly sc2. Do I really have to wait a minute or two for it to actually show up that I can play offline ._.? |
| 23:56.10 | Mexa_ | Or actually, something like five minutes -.-' |
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| 23:57.35 | Taintedwisp | It just recycles at 20? |
| 23:59.06 | IskatuMesk | interns |
| 23:59.12 | IskatuMesk | ruling the world |
