| 00:00.41 | Mexa | Neato |
| 00:00.45 | Mexa | I have one more suggestion |
| 00:01.07 | Mexa | Could you have one to open an existing project, without having to create a new one? |
| 00:01.33 | Mexa | Like: File->Open |
| 00:02.08 | Beier | you mean if you copied a project from another computer? |
| 00:02.15 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 00:02.49 | flyingspatula | yeah ahli followunitgrp does make it follow the unit but it kind of lags behind as u move. setting smooth target lower negates this but makes camera incredibly choppy :( |
| 00:02.57 | Mexa | I do backups on my external hard drive occasionally, and it would be convenient to have everything work without a hassle if one is moving it to another computer or reformats the computer. |
| 00:03.26 | Beier | yeah, okay |
| 00:10.06 | Ahli | my camera isn't choppy :S |
| 00:10.48 | Mexa | flyingspatula, it doesn't help to set the unit facing when using follow unitgroup either, then? |
| 00:11.42 | Ahli | I'm using 0.1 in the smooth times, raised max velocity to super high. then I just follow my hero unit |
| 00:13.56 | Vailreth | where do you set the smooth and such > |
| 00:13.58 | Vailreth | ? |
| 00:16.16 | flyingspatula | vail did u open demo is ent u? |
| 00:16.17 | flyingspatula | sent* |
| 00:17.03 | Bounty | I really think Photon Discs has a good shot at being popular |
| 00:17.09 | Bounty | So much fun lol |
| 00:19.12 | Mexa | Beier, I see enums are just structs in disguise :>? |
| 00:19.30 | Mexa | Replace that warning message |
| 00:19.46 | Mexa | "Library file[3, 10]: Unused struct: Core_Alightment" it said. |
| 00:20.02 | Mexa | Lol, and I misspelled Alignment. |
| 00:20.02 | flyingspatula | ok bounty your camera DEFINTELY sticks with ur unit better than mine at the exact same targetsmooth values wtf |
| 00:20.14 | Bounty | i fucking told you what i use |
| 00:20.17 | Bounty | haha |
| 00:20.19 | Bounty | like 20 times |
| 00:20.21 | Beier | Kindda.. they are translated to structs with static const fields, but you can't do ++ on those fields, and you also get a tostring method |
| 00:20.22 | Bounty | FOLLOW UNIT GROUP |
| 00:20.34 | flyingspatula | yes i know tihs |
| 00:20.37 | flyingspatula | but it lags behind |
| 00:20.46 | flyingspatula | when i set the smoothign to like .07 |
| 00:20.47 | flyingspatula | .08 |
| 00:20.56 | flyingspatula | its still slow |
| 00:20.59 | flyingspatula | ish |
| 00:21.02 | flyingspatula | when u run side to side |
| 00:21.03 | Beier | also, you can enrich enums, not structs |
| 00:21.06 | flyingspatula | its noticable |
| 00:21.40 | Beier | aand there's the casts |
| 00:21.43 | Mexa | ou can't? |
| 00:21.57 | Mexa | Oh well, enriching structs have no purpose anyway |
| 00:22.10 | Beier | yeah :) |
| 00:22.17 | Mexa | Neat that you can enrich enums tho, even though I'm not sure when you'd want that |
| 00:22.55 | Mexa | Like this flyingspatula? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy1QMuvs0UY |
| 00:24.44 | flyingspatula | yeah not AS apparent since im not moving THAT fast |
| 00:24.48 | flyingspatula | but at slow speeds yes |
| 00:25.01 | Mexa | Beier, ToString would return the name of the enum value, right? |
| 00:25.22 | Beier | yes.. but it's not a method.. its a cast |
| 00:25.35 | JademusSreg | Boxing? |
| 00:25.44 | Mexa | How do you cast it? |
| 00:25.51 | Mexa | (string)whatevervalue? |
| 00:26.04 | Beier | yes.. (string) myEnum |
| 00:26.24 | Mexa | What about enum values? |
| 00:26.35 | JademusSreg | receives +1 to Guess. |
| 00:26.44 | Mexa | ._ |
| 00:27.15 | Mexa | enum Foo { Bar } would allow (string)Bar I suppose. |
| 00:29.35 | Beier | yes.. well (string)Foo.Bar |
| 00:33.00 | Mexa | ah, yes ofc, my bad. |
| 00:33.15 | flyingspatula | hey bounty have u found a good field of view other than 50 that works great for tps? |
| 00:37.00 | Mexa | http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/04/10/google-phishing/ |
| 00:44.17 | egod | trifaction |
| 00:49.05 | Currydevil | Hmmm, scout movement is going to be interesting Bounty. He can move the length of a column/row. BUT he's breaking the 'no diagonal movement' when he moves to the right of the board. lol |
| 00:50.01 | Currydevil | And the thing allowing him to do that is the value I am checking to allow him to move 'up' a column |
| 00:51.31 | Currydevil | I take it back, he can move diagonally up/left and down/right. haha. |
| 00:53.15 | Currydevil | Ah, figured it out. Yay. |
| 00:53.18 | Currydevil | afk |
| 01:05.00 | Mexa | Hey Beier? |
| 01:05.11 | Beier | Hey mexa! |
| 01:05.20 | Mexa | Looks like triggers returns true twice in a row. |
| 01:05.32 | Mexa | bool MeleeInitializationInit(bool testConds, bool runActions) { MeleeInitializationF = TriggerCreate("MeleeInitializationM"); TriggerAddEventMapInit(MeleeInitializationF); return true; return true; } |
| 01:05.54 | Beier | yeah.. noticed that.. haven't looked into it yet though |
| 01:05.59 | Mexa | ok. |
| 01:06.17 | Mexa | One more thing |
| 01:06.32 | Mexa | Or no, never mind |
| 01:06.39 | Mexa | Or well, actually |
| 01:07.00 | Mexa | I'm not sure your tostring for enums are that well implemented |
| 01:07.45 | Mexa | Mostly concerned about the huge chunk of if elses |
| 01:07.48 | Beier | you want some binary search instead? |
| 01:08.01 | Beier | I just made a switch.. |
| 01:08.15 | Mexa | Oh, well |
| 01:08.48 | Mexa | Why not just drop them in a datatable or something? |
| 01:09.14 | Mexa | Or if the enums are followed linearly with values of 0,1,2,3 etc, have an array? |
| 01:09.42 | Beier | well, DataTableClear would screw up the function then.. and you can define your own indexes |
| 01:10.48 | Mexa | Also, would it not be smarter to have your switches implemented as if {} else if {} else if {} [...] instead of the now: if {} else { if {} else { if {} } }? |
| 01:11.26 | Mexa | oh, right. |
| 01:11.27 | Mexa | ' |
| 01:11.51 | Mexa | Then again, you use datatables to so many other things. |
| 01:12.06 | Mexa | And those are also affected by clearing the table. |
| 01:12.25 | Dustin | What are you trying to acomplish? |
| 01:12.49 | Mexa | me? |
| 01:13.03 | Beier | well, I use them for pointers, and passing stuff between methods.. I think its okay that you can clear all pointers with DataTableClear |
| 01:13.07 | Mexa | Just suggestions to other implementations of his galaxy parsing. |
| 01:13.16 | Beier | you allocated them, so you can clear them |
| 01:13.26 | Mexa | hm |
| 01:13.34 | Mexa | Fair enough. |
| 01:13.40 | Dustin | Beier |
| 01:13.43 | Beier | yep |
| 01:13.45 | Dustin | Well both of you at the moment |
| 01:13.52 | Dustin | ahh |
| 01:14.15 | Mexa | Yeah? |
| 01:14.18 | Mexa | :p |
| 01:16.07 | Mexa | Here's a suggestion Beier, if it's possible. Turn off galaxy++ syntax highlighting on the parsed mapscript |
| 01:16.16 | Mexa | And only have the galaxy one. |
| 01:16.25 | Mexa | Not a big deal, but it looks silly |
| 01:17.15 | Beier | you get anoyed by the blue value variable name? :) |
| 01:17.18 | Mexa | Another suggestion: Don't automatically include NativeLib if no methods there are used. |
| 01:17.59 | Mexa | Oh, just a little bit :> but now when you added enum, that is highlighted as well. |
| 01:18.44 | Mexa | Anyway, excluding the include of NativeLib will allow maps to load faster too. |
| 01:18.53 | Beier | okay |
| 01:20.40 | Vailreth | flyingspatuchular... |
| 01:21.14 | Mexa | Or it could be added as an optimization feature or something, Beier. |
| 01:21.56 | Beier | what do you mean? If it's needed it should be included.. |
| 01:24.49 | Mexa | Oh right |
| 01:25.15 | Mexa | Never mind |
| 01:25.35 | Beier | okay :) It's getting late.. I think Ill head off to bed |
| 01:25.53 | Mexa | Me too actually. Seeya laters! |
| 01:26.12 | Beier | good night |
| 01:26.22 | Mexa | Nightynighty |
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| 02:32.01 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 02:34.59 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 02:39.22 | flyingspatula_ | lol did chat just crash |
| 02:39.50 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvYasVpZ1gA pewpew, America. |
| 02:41.19 | Bounty_ | JademusSreg i need you |
| 02:41.22 | Bounty_ | to test this with me |
| 02:41.25 | Bounty_ | the shield/blocking |
| 02:42.14 | JademusSreg | Sorry. Unfortunately, I'm busy, but I'd be happy to test as soon as I'm available. |
| 02:42.20 | Bounty_ | :( |
| 02:42.22 | Bounty_ | how long will that be |
| 02:42.28 | flyingspatula_ | LEMMMMME TEST |
| 02:42.35 | JademusSreg | Dunno. At least a half hour. |
| 02:42.43 | Bounty_ | ok spatula |
| 02:42.46 | Bounty_ | log on and meet in the channel |
| 02:43.22 | flyingspatula_ | k |
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| 03:16.24 | Bounty_ | mwahaha |
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| 03:17.37 | Bounty_ | :) |
| 03:18.36 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:18.52 | Bounty_ | ppl really like the map |
| 03:18.55 | Bounty_ | esp with shield/block now |
| 03:19.42 | JademusSreg | And sprint? |
| 03:20.50 | flyingspatula | i really dont think it needs a sprint |
| 03:20.54 | flyingspatula | but maybe |
| 03:24.49 | Bounty_ | ill just add a speedup powerup |
| 03:25.12 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 03:26.53 | Bounty_ | u really dont need sprint |
| 03:27.29 | JademusSreg | Sprint and shield block draw from the same resource, increasing the tactical dimensions of the resource. |
| 03:27.49 | JademusSreg | And yeah, I need sprint in every game. |
| 03:27.52 | JademusSreg | Evar. |
| 03:28.34 | Bounty_ | not it mine! |
| 03:28.36 | Bounty_ | in* |
| 03:33.22 | JademusSreg | I can't think of a game that doesn't have and couldn't be improved with the ability to move faster. |
| 03:35.14 | flyingspatula | doesnt counterstrike not have a sprint |
| 03:35.19 | flyingspatula | or is that tf |
| 03:35.29 | Bounty_ | i know tf2 doesnt |
| 03:36.09 | JademusSreg | I haven't played CS in almost 10 years, so I can't remember. |
| 03:36.58 | JademusSreg | And if that is the case, stating it doesn't have sprint is not itself a counter-argument. |
| 03:39.23 | flyingspatula | oh well i wasnt mentioning it to point anything out other than i was thinking of maps that didnt have a sprint |
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| 03:39.51 | Bounty_ | hmm what should i make the victory conditions |
| 03:40.08 | flyingspatula | ti thot u was just doing |
| 03:40.15 | flyingspatula | x kills + x kills * players |
| 03:40.17 | flyingspatula | or something |
| 03:40.24 | Bounty_ | that wouldnt work |
| 03:40.32 | Bounty_ | that would make it way to high lol |
| 03:40.36 | flyingspatula | oh lol |
| 03:40.42 | Bounty_ | think about it |
| 03:40.44 | Bounty_ | say there are 2 ppl |
| 03:40.48 | Bounty_ | thats about 10 kills or so |
| 03:40.51 | Bounty_ | x10 |
| 03:40.53 | Bounty_ | thats 100 |
| 03:40.55 | Bounty_ | if there are 10 players |
| 03:40.56 | Bounty_ | :) |
| 03:40.57 | flyingspatula | nah no tliek that lol |
| 03:40.58 | flyingspatula | i meant |
| 03:41.03 | flyingspatula | a minimum base kills |
| 03:41.10 | flyingspatula | then maybe like 5 per additional player |
| 03:41.16 | flyingspatula | so 10 + 50 |
| 03:41.28 | flyingspatula | 5x each player |
| 03:41.30 | flyingspatula | er |
| 03:41.37 | flyingspatula | well 5 PER player |
| 03:41.38 | flyingspatula | i mean |
| 03:41.41 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 03:41.42 | Bounty_ | good idea |
| 03:41.46 | flyingspatula | just sumthin liek that |
| 03:41.53 | Bounty_ | now the question is |
| 03:41.54 | flyingspatula | find a good base mimimum |
| 03:41.57 | Bounty_ | when do i release this |
| 03:42.02 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 03:42.05 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 03:42.06 | Bounty_ | do i wait until i add all the game modes |
| 03:42.08 | Bounty_ | and everything possible |
| 03:42.10 | Bounty_ | or before that |
| 03:42.31 | flyingspatula | what othe rkind of game modes could u add |
| 03:42.37 | Bounty_ | team DM |
| 03:42.40 | Bounty_ | team CTF |
| 03:42.44 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 03:42.45 | Bounty_ | King of the Hill |
| 03:43.10 | flyingspatula | ho wlong would it prolyt ake to do al those |
| 03:43.16 | flyingspatula | fuck ic ant type |
| 03:43.16 | Bounty_ | awhile |
| 03:43.17 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 03:43.31 | flyingspatula | id say get the FFA polished up and realease it |
| 03:43.33 | flyingspatula | imo |
| 03:43.41 | Bounty_ | yeah thats what im thinking |
| 03:43.59 | Bounty_ | What do you think JademusSreg |
| 03:44.32 | Bounty_ | Were you there for ppls reactions? |
| 03:44.36 | Bounty_ | When they were like |
| 03:44.38 | Bounty_ | WHERE ARE THE WALLS? |
| 03:44.42 | Bounty_ | *walls rise up* |
| 03:44.43 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 03:44.45 | Bounty_ | OH SHIT |
| 03:44.50 | Bounty_ | haha |
| 03:44.52 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 03:45.23 | Bounty_ | Its going to be hard to get a loading screen for this map |
| 03:45.27 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 03:45.46 | flyingspatula | something tron like im guessing? |
| 03:45.54 | Bounty_ | No, something liek the MAP lol |
| 03:46.01 | Bounty_ | i mean this really has nothign to do with tron |
| 03:46.20 | Bounty_ | same as JademusSregs Photon Cycles has nothign to do with Tron |
| 03:46.36 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:46.45 | flyingspatula | but sitll has a tron feeling |
| 03:46.56 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 03:46.57 | flyingspatula | great |
| 03:47.12 | flyingspatula | now 2nite whe ni go to bed i mgonna have weird dreams aboug throwing things into walls at angles |
| 03:47.30 | Bounty_ | Map had that much of an imapct on u? |
| 03:47.32 | flyingspatula | first time ive seen jade say haha without a period |
| 03:47.34 | Bounty_ | Its that good i guess |
| 03:47.35 | Bounty_ | :) |
| 03:47.38 | Bounty_ | rofl |
| 03:47.39 | Bounty_ | true |
| 03:47.48 | Bounty_ | WHERE IS YO PUCTUATION FOOL |
| 03:48.04 | flyingspatula | well i just find it fun bouncing shit off walls hitting ppl perfectly |
| 03:48.05 | Bounty_ | punctuation |
| 03:48.06 | Bounty_ | * |
| 03:48.10 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 03:48.10 | flyingspatula | i played some wc3 game doing same thing obsessively |
| 03:48.13 | Bounty_ | thats waht its all about |
| 03:48.15 | Bounty_ | and the recall |
| 03:48.18 | Bounty_ | thats always fun to |
| 03:48.19 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 03:48.27 | flyingspatula | although i really think recalling thru walls kinda meh |
| 03:48.33 | flyingspatula | like it goes rigth trhu the damn wall |
| 03:48.34 | flyingspatula | ;/ |
| 03:48.56 | flyingspatula | but i can see why u do that, kinda hard to recall it any other way |
| 03:49.38 | flyingspatula | i mean thats my real only issue, is behind behind a wall and someone in front of me recalls and the discs go right thru the wall and kill me |
| 03:49.56 | flyingspatula | cant think of any other way tho |
| 03:55.24 | Bounty_ | I think i want to do a video tonight |
| 03:55.55 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 03:56.51 | Bounty_ | a closed beta video |
| 03:56.54 | Bounty_ | i think its ready |
| 03:56.55 | Bounty_ | :) |
| 03:57.47 | Dustin | of? |
| 03:57.56 | Bounty_ | Photon Discs |
| 03:59.03 | Dustin | nice |
| 04:03.28 | JademusSreg | Sorry. I always read that as Photon Dicks. |
| 04:03.44 | flyingspatula | as did i |
| 04:04.08 | JademusSreg | The same way I always misread "Gamefaqs". |
| 04:05.35 | Bounty_ | thats why i changed the K to a C |
| 04:06.33 | JademusSreg | Haha, I'm using 3 gigs of memory with Photoshop. |
| 04:06.35 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 04:09.16 | Bounty_ | alrighty |
| 04:09.20 | Bounty_ | time to find ppl for teh video |
| 04:09.34 | Currydevil | Heh |
| 04:09.39 | Currydevil | Working on movement, scout works! |
| 04:09.55 | Bounty_ | awesome :) |
| 04:10.14 | Bounty_ | u wanna be in teh video curry? |
| 04:10.17 | Currydevil | it took 10 nested if's but it works! |
| 04:10.25 | Bounty_ | haha |
| 04:10.43 | Currydevil | Sure, suppose I could do video. |
| 04:10.51 | Currydevil | I haven't played since before the walls. |
| 04:11.22 | Bounty_ | oh ur in for a treat |
| 04:11.22 | Bounty_ | :) |
| 04:11.44 | JademusSreg | How many people Bounty? |
| 04:11.52 | Bounty_ | gathering now |
| 04:13.23 | Bounty_ | feel free to log on and help get some of ur photon cycle fans |
| 04:13.24 | Bounty_ | :) |
| 04:13.31 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 04:14.44 | Bounty_ | flyingspatula |
| 04:14.46 | Bounty_ | vailreth |
| 04:14.48 | Bounty_ | u guys want in? |
| 04:14.50 | Bounty_ | we got 4 now |
| 04:14.54 | flyingspatula | ueah |
| 04:14.56 | flyingspatula | sure |
| 04:14.59 | Bounty_ | log on |
| 04:15.01 | Bounty_ | you to JademusSreg |
| 04:15.10 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 04:47.03 | flyingspatula | jades such a cheater |
| 04:47.11 | flyingspatula | i saw that infinite shield |
| 04:47.35 | flyingspatula | shit that game wore me out |
| 04:47.36 | Currydevil | lol |
| 04:48.11 | JademusSreg | Naw, definitely didn't cheat. |
| 04:48.45 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 04:48.48 | Bounty_ | i agree |
| 04:48.49 | Bounty_ | jade hax |
| 04:48.50 | JademusSreg | Increase regen rate, add sprint... |
| 04:48.57 | Bounty_ | i think the motive is quite clear |
| 04:49.01 | Bounty_ | he made Photon Cycles |
| 04:49.10 | Bounty_ | and therefore he must destroy everyone who plays my map |
| 04:49.17 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 04:49.18 | JademusSreg | The shield both lasts too long and uses to much energy and can't just be toggled. |
| 04:49.19 | Bounty_ | simple logic really |
| 04:49.30 | Bounty_ | we found it was annoying jade |
| 04:49.32 | flyingspatula | bounty |
| 04:49.33 | Bounty_ | to hold down space bar |
| 04:49.35 | JademusSreg | I was disappoint. |
| 04:49.35 | flyingspatula | when u posting vid |
| 04:49.41 | Bounty_ | tonight |
| 04:50.16 | JademusSreg | Sure, but then at least make it a very short duration. Burning all my energy on one block is annoying. How long does it last / what's the energy consumption rate? |
| 04:50.25 | JademusSreg | *too |
| 04:50.32 | Currydevil | Oh boy. this part is going to be fun. |
| 04:51.05 | JademusSreg | Fun and simple game though. My new favorite of yours. Ling Ling Rocket in second. |
| 04:51.20 | Bounty_ | hooray |
| 04:51.23 | Bounty_ | i've done it! |
| 04:51.24 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 04:51.24 | JademusSreg | Only this one is fun enough to want to play. |
| 04:51.26 | Bounty_ | <3 |
| 04:51.28 | flyingspatula | jade now find out how hemakes it so playable on bnet and tell me |
| 04:51.42 | Currydevil | his is small scale. |
| 04:51.44 | Currydevil | duh |
| 04:52.21 | flyingspatula | not even that, mine likes to lag even with just 1 player |
| 04:52.30 | flyingspatula | sometimes |
| 04:52.35 | Currydevil | =[ |
| 04:53.58 | Currydevil | Anyway, so I want to check a region if there's a unit there. Easier to do it with a unit group referencing the region or no unit group? (large scale with many regions so checking the events for it would be.... rediculous) |
| 04:54.11 | JademusSreg | Friend asks me to test python game. I input an alphabetical char into a numeric input prompt. Crashes game. |
| 04:54.24 | Currydevil | fun |
| 04:54.51 | JademusSreg | "Easier to do it with a unit group referencing the region or no unit group?" |
| 04:54.55 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 04:55.17 | Bounty_ | Not bad |
| 04:55.23 | Bounty_ | video will be about |
| 04:55.25 | Bounty_ | 11 minutes |
| 04:56.26 | Currydevil | Well, i can make either set 100 unit groups to go hand in hand with my 100 regions. But checking the events for unit enters/leaves region to modify the unit groups will be hectic with 100 events. Or not use unit groups and just cycle through the regions and ask "is there anyone home?" |
| 04:56.35 | Bounty_ | So what feedback do you guys have? |
| 04:56.43 | Bounty_ | Now that i'm done with the video |
| 04:57.33 | Currydevil | dunno yet, it was fun. |
| 04:57.52 | Bounty_ | I'm starting to think it doesnt even need a CTF mode |
| 04:57.56 | Bounty_ | just a TDM maybe |
| 04:57.57 | Currydevil | lol |
| 04:58.10 | JademusSreg | Needz moar sprint, shorter shield duration like a burst shield, faster energy regen, visible indicator the newly spawned player unit is invulnerable. |
| 04:58.21 | Currydevil | piercing projectiles = crazy long ctf or lucky ass flag carrier |
| 04:58.30 | Bounty_ | there is a visible indictator JademusSreg |
| 04:58.32 | Bounty_ | you didnt see it? |
| 04:58.34 | JademusSreg | Nopw. |
| 04:58.36 | Bounty_ | there is a huge blue aura around them |
| 04:58.40 | Bounty_ | well ull see it in the video |
| 04:58.41 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 04:58.52 | JademusSreg | I killed a lot of people and didn't notice. |
| 04:59.05 | Bounty_ | check the video when its done uploading then i guess |
| 04:59.06 | Currydevil | So, would checking 100 events for units entering/leaving regions be justifiable or just silly? |
| 04:59.18 | Bounty_ | explain Curry |
| 04:59.24 | Bounty_ | checking 100 events? lol |
| 04:59.26 | Currydevil | I just did =O lol |
| 04:59.31 | Bounty_ | nah |
| 04:59.34 | Bounty_ | im not sure i quite get that |
| 04:59.35 | Bounty_ | haha |
| 04:59.45 | Bounty_ | you mean 100 conditions? |
| 04:59.59 | Currydevil | No, because you can't use 'any region' in trigger events |
| 05:00.16 | Currydevil | so I would have to put all 100 regions in the event |
| 05:00.25 | Currydevil | if i did it that way |
| 05:00.32 | Bounty_ | oh |
| 05:00.35 | Bounty_ | yeah that sfine |
| 05:00.38 | Bounty_ | i do that all the time |
| 05:00.45 | Bounty_ | in the event u specify the regions |
| 05:00.52 | Currydevil | then I could add/remove unit to the corresponding unit group |
| 05:00.54 | Bounty_ | thats perfectly fine imo |
| 05:01.02 | Currydevil | 100 regions in the event? |
| 05:01.06 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 05:01.07 | Bounty_ | why not |
| 05:01.10 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 05:01.14 | flyingspatula | yeah i do that too sometimes |
| 05:01.22 | Currydevil | lol. that's going to be fun setting each region =O |
| 05:01.23 | flyingspatula | itll fire whichever region |
| 05:01.27 | Currydevil | I know |
| 05:01.32 | Bounty_ | i've had triggers that pick each unit in a unit group built up of about 1,000+ units |
| 05:01.35 | JademusSreg | I'm curious about the need for all this, but it's hardly an issue. Even checking the positions of hundreds of units every 1/16 game second is hardly noticable. |
| 05:01.35 | Bounty_ | no problem or lag |
| 05:01.37 | Currydevil | I just wasn't sure how many events I should put in one |
| 05:01.51 | Currydevil | the reason for it is this Jade |
| 05:02.01 | JademusSreg | A bunch of events on the same trigger won't hurt, either. |
| 05:02.19 | Currydevil | according to game rules, a unit cannot jump over an occupied square or move into an occupied sqaure |
| 05:02.28 | Currydevil | Well, that's what I was asking pretty much |
| 05:02.34 | Currydevil | I've made events for 5-6 |
| 05:02.36 | Currydevil | but not 100 |
| 05:02.37 | Currydevil | lol |
| 05:03.01 | JademusSreg | I'd choose to iterate through all the units if only because it's less programming. Haha |
| 05:03.04 | Currydevil | So, using unit groups to keep track of occupied squares. |
| 05:03.27 | JademusSreg | But seriously, in terms of performance, you shouldn't see much difference. |
| 05:03.31 | Currydevil | ok |
| 05:05.08 | Currydevil | Oh |
| 05:05.35 | Currydevil | This is going to be harder than I thought. I can't use a region var in the event =O and I don't make the regions until game init lol |
| 05:06.20 | JademusSreg | That not an issue in galaxy. |
| 05:06.38 | JademusSreg | So you could just make a custom action with some custom script in it. |
| 05:07.16 | Currydevil | I could. |
| 05:07.28 | Currydevil | But I haven't done anything script related in ... 6 years or so |
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| 05:07.46 | skittles | hi |
| 05:07.56 | JademusSreg | TriggerAddEventUnitRegion(trigger t, unitref u, region r, bool state); |
| 05:07.59 | JademusSreg | Hi skit. |
| 05:08.02 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:08.17 | flyingspatula | when u set animation walk speed. does higehr value = slower animation |
| 05:08.27 | JademusSreg | (region/range events - true = entered, false = exited) |
| 05:11.07 | Currydevil | I think i'll try to do it without unit groups first. |
| 05:11.10 | Currydevil | see how that goes. |
| 05:12.01 | flyingspatula | bounty i just have 1 question for u... what field of view did u use for the camera on that disc map? first time i havent gotten motion sickness from too small of a fov |
| 05:18.50 | Bounty_ | i change it for almost everymap |
| 05:18.51 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 05:19.01 | Bounty_ | usually around 60ish |
| 05:20.02 | flyingspatula | hm |
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| 05:23.04 | Currydevil | Oh why... why can't I just pick a region and see if there is any unit in it... not a specific unit =[ |
| 05:23.45 | Bounty_ | You could always check it when the unit moves |
| 05:23.59 | Bounty_ | like if order a unit to move to a region |
| 05:24.05 | Bounty_ | check if there are 0 units in that region |
| 05:24.16 | Currydevil | but that's just it |
| 05:24.30 | Currydevil | I can check "unit in region" but it calls for a specific unit in the region |
| 05:24.40 | Currydevil | does "Unit attached to region" work the same way? |
| 05:24.46 | Currydevil | that one always confuses me |
| 05:24.51 | Bounty_ | do unit group |
| 05:24.56 | Bounty_ | Unit in Region Matching Conditions |
| 05:25.20 | Currydevil | duh |
| 05:25.25 | Currydevil | I always forget about that one too. |
| 05:25.28 | Currydevil | As you can tell. |
| 05:25.32 | Bounty_ | :) |
| 05:25.44 | Bounty_ | i use it constantly |
| 05:25.47 | Bounty_ | prolly to much |
| 05:26.57 | Currydevil | erm |
| 05:27.03 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 05:27.13 | Currydevil | it's asking for a unit group now for the 2nd value |
| 05:27.22 | flyingspatula | vid done bounty |
| 05:27.33 | Bounty_ | uploading it now |
| 05:28.55 | Currydevil | since i'm not creating the regions until runtime i can't do 'unit enters/leaves region' to set my unit groups. Gah. and i'm not a scripter so if I use what jade showed me, he would have to tell me more about it xD |
| 05:29.16 | Bounty_ | i'm sure he would be MORE than willing to do so |
| 05:29.17 | Bounty_ | lol |
| 05:30.14 | Currydevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.27 | Currydevil | I just want a true/false condition. |
| 05:30.34 | Currydevil | there either is or is not a unit in the region. |
| 05:30.35 | Currydevil | lol |
| 05:30.50 | Currydevil | that value 2 is asking for a unit group, I don't know what to put there. |
| 05:32.19 | Currydevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.24 | Currydevil | maybe that will do it. |
| 05:32.33 | Bounty_ | when it asks for unit group |
| 05:32.39 | Bounty_ | thats where u put unit in region matching conditions |
| 05:35.30 | Currydevil | so what is value 1 then? lol |
| 05:35.51 | Bounty_ | link? |
| 05:35.53 | Bounty_ | paste it |
| 05:36.10 | Currydevil | I dunno |
| 05:36.12 | Currydevil | lol |
| 05:36.19 | Currydevil | i pasted the 2 things I tried |
| 05:36.31 | Currydevil | the 2nd didn't work. the first is just above |
| 05:37.53 | Currydevil | I just need to use the unit groups. it would be easier. Lol. |
| 05:38.02 | Currydevil | stupid region var not working in trigger events |
| 05:42.41 | Currydevil | adding the unit to the groups will be easy when the units are moving. |
| 05:42.51 | Currydevil | I need to preload them though for all the units being placed. |
| 05:44.51 | Currydevil | Units placed in the editor don't count as 'entering/leaving' a region if you put them in one right? |
| 05:45.09 | Currydevil | and .. same question for creating units and creating them in a region? |
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| 05:53.19 | Parthon | Currydevil: there should be a "number of units in region" somewhere too |
| 05:53.55 | Currydevil | Yeah, I just found it. I'm being dumb tonight. |
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| 05:55.15 | Bounty_ | video is up guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCpow2z3eFw |
| 05:56.37 | Currydevil | it gave me a :/ |
| 05:56.48 | Currydevil | or :\ lol |
| 05:57.01 | Bounty_ | video isnt working? |
| 05:57.07 | Currydevil | not yet |
| 05:57.11 | Bounty_ | try again |
| 05:57.18 | Currydevil | said it was being processed |
| 06:01.15 | Currydevil | yay. |
| 06:13.02 | Currydevil | Ya know, I think the only thing I found frustrating Bounty was the fact that I just kept running into ppl who were either still under rez immunity or shield lol |
| 06:13.32 | Bounty_ | haha |
| 06:13.39 | Bounty_ | well this is V1 of the shield |
| 06:13.43 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 06:13.46 | Bounty_ | im sure it will need tweaking |
| 06:13.59 | Bounty_ | same with spawn immunity |
| 06:14.00 | Currydevil | I like the idea Jade presetned, short bursts, less energy usage |
| 06:14.05 | Bounty_ | yeah |
| 06:14.09 | Currydevil | use it 3-4 times per full bar |
| 06:14.34 | Bounty_ | nah im keeping the way you activate it |
| 06:14.38 | Bounty_ | makes it more strategic |
| 06:14.45 | Bounty_ | but i am going to increase the regen |
| 06:14.50 | Bounty_ | and consumption |
| 06:14.51 | Currydevil | ah ok |
| 06:14.56 | Bounty_ | same thing really |
| 06:15.13 | Bounty_ | think of it as a cooldown that u can activate once the cooldown is halfway |
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| 06:15.14 | Bounty_ | >< |
| 06:15.23 | Currydevil | haha yeah lol |
| 06:15.26 | Bounty_ | speaking of which |
| 06:15.31 | Bounty_ | the orange line |
| 06:15.35 | Bounty_ | did u understand what it was for? |
| 06:15.39 | Bounty_ | without it having to be explained |
| 06:15.44 | Currydevil | yeah I figured it out soon enough |
| 06:15.47 | Bounty_ | kk cool |
| 06:15.49 | Bounty_ | thats good lol |
| 06:15.56 | Currydevil | when I actually watched when my shield wouldn't come on |
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| 10:17.57 | Beier | Hello |
| 10:41.06 | Kueken | hey |
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| 11:04.01 | Flaffen | hi |
| 11:05.11 | Flaffen | anyone that can help with target sorts? |
| 11:05.41 | Flaffen | i've got several lasers that add a debuff to the target when it hits, i want the laser cannons to prioritize targets without the buffs |
| 11:07.01 | Kueken | hey |
| 11:07.35 | Kueken | then create a new target sort of type Behavior Count |
| 11:07.42 | Kueken | add your desired behavior |
| 11:07.59 | Kueken | ... |
| 11:08.02 | Kueken | a second |
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| 11:08.05 | Kueken | the laser cannon |
| 11:08.09 | Kueken | is it a weapon? |
| 11:08.26 | Kueken | or a spell/behavior/whatever? |
| 11:09.02 | Kueken | weapons do not respond to target sorts, unfortunately |
| 11:09.52 | Flaffen | its a weapon |
| 11:09.57 | Flaffen | crap |
| 11:10.07 | Flaffen | its the laser battery on the battlecruiser |
| 11:10.44 | Flaffen | thing is that i have several weaps on the bc, but i wan them to target different units if there are many around, but focus fire if there is like only one unit around |
| 11:11.30 | Flaffen | any other way of doing this? i can use validators but that means if there is one unit around, only one cannon will fire |
| 11:11.35 | Flaffen | wich i dont want |
| 11:12.56 | Beier | I'm really more of a triggering guy, but if your BC should just attack whenever enemies are close enough, couldn't you use spells/behaviours instead of weapons? |
| 11:13.53 | Flaffen | well i got the bc to equip/unequip weapons when equipping/unequipping items |
| 11:14.26 | Flaffen | also, the weaps will be upgradeable so i need the weap thing to show on the unit |
| 11:16.59 | Beier | hmm. well, you might be able to add all the weapons as spells, use validators to check if the item is equiped, and use triggers to calculate the actual damage done. |
| 11:18.10 | Flaffen | bah, hate using triggers |
| 11:18.23 | Flaffen | there has to be some other way of doing it |
| 11:18.55 | Beier | :) well, since I'm more into triggers than data, I don't know |
| 11:20.13 | Flaffen | hehe, well thanx for the help anyway |
| 11:20.28 | Flaffen | if i can be of any assistance when it comes to data, let me know :P |
| 11:21.30 | Flaffen | btw, keuken, what more do i have to do if its a spell/behavior? |
| 11:27.51 | Kueken | the battlecruiser weapons you say? |
| 11:28.23 | Kueken | so they don't need to turn a turret or something |
| 11:28.30 | Kueken | that makes things easier |
| 11:29.04 | Kueken | you can make them a behavior quite easily, however then they would be able to fire while moving |
| 11:29.06 | Flaffen | eh well they do |
| 11:29.22 | Flaffen | i was thinking if i could just make the weapon fire off a search effect |
| 11:29.32 | Kueken | you could do that |
| 11:29.34 | Flaffen | wich kinda works like a spell |
| 11:29.37 | Kueken | however |
| 11:29.48 | Kueken | if the weapons use a turret |
| 11:29.53 | Flaffen | yeh |
| 11:30.01 | Kueken | it will visually turn to the target unit |
| 11:30.08 | Kueken | and not to the target of the search |
| 11:30.18 | Flaffen | well the turrets are not visible |
| 11:30.22 | Kueken | also you won't be able to select a target manually |
| 11:30.46 | Kueken | but |
| 11:30.47 | Flaffen | hmmm, but what if i put the search effect to a very small degree? like 15 or something |
| 11:30.55 | Kueken | no visual turret is good |
| 11:31.23 | Flaffen | but there is no way of making turrets/weapons prefer one target over another? |
| 11:32.01 | Kueken | none besides making them unable to target the unit at all |
| 11:32.34 | Kueken | and the default target priorization based on enemy target priority, weapon range and damage |
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| 11:32.41 | Flaffen | bah |
| 11:33.11 | Flaffen | hmm, so making a search effect on the weap is best idea? |
| 11:33.13 | Kueken | maybe you could apply a buff, that lowers the targets attack priority? |
| 11:33.26 | Kueken | dunno if that is even possible with a behavior |
| 11:33.30 | Flaffen | but i want the same gun to keep attacking that one |
| 11:33.33 | Flaffen | just not the others |
| 11:33.53 | Flaffen | making 6 guns fire at 6 different targets |
| 11:34.16 | Kueken | you can make the turrets to cover 6 independant arcs |
| 11:34.36 | Kueken | but this would most likely make them unable to target the same unit |
| 11:34.42 | Kueken | even if you order them to |
| 11:34.44 | Flaffen | yeh |
| 11:38.09 | Flaffen | but the weapons have aquire target sorts thing, why does it have that if it cant be used? |
| 11:38.55 | Kueken | there are many fields within the editor, which have no effect |
| 11:39.07 | Kueken | mostly stuff, which is just not implemented yet |
| 11:39.16 | Flaffen | kk |
| 11:39.20 | Flaffen | whats the marker stuff then? |
| 11:39.27 | Kueken | so maybe it gets added in some patch |
| 11:39.47 | Kueken | markers "mark" targets and can be checked |
| 11:40.12 | Kueken | you could make your weapon place markers and make subsequent effects check for them |
| 11:40.23 | Kueken | or make a target sort to sort by markers |
| 11:40.36 | Flaffen | k |
| 11:40.40 | Kueken | they are mostly used to not hit units multiple times with aoe spells |
| 11:41.19 | Flaffen | k |
| 11:41.39 | Flaffen | so how do i make a target sort to sort by markers? |
| 11:42.09 | Kueken | make a new target sort of type Marker ;) |
| 11:42.17 | Kueken | or use the default TSMarker |
| 11:42.34 | Flaffen | but this will again not be able to be used in the weapons? |
| 11:43.03 | Kueken | at least from my tests, they don't seem to react to target sorts of any kind |
| 11:43.31 | Flaffen | k |
| 11:44.54 | Flaffen | but can i make a set check for markers and hit the one without 5 other marks? |
| 11:45.42 | Kueken | I suppose |
| 11:45.56 | Kueken | however, markers are a little unintuitive to use |
| 11:46.02 | Flaffen | k |
| 11:46.24 | Kueken | and you could do the same with behaviors |
| 11:47.02 | Flaffen | damn, has to be some way of making weapons prefer targeting units wich are not getting shot at by the other cannons |
| 11:47.59 | Kueken | there probably is |
| 11:48.08 | Kueken | but I haven't found one yet |
| 11:48.23 | Flaffen | k |
| 11:48.27 | Flaffen | sec, gonna try something |
| 11:48.35 | Kueken | at least not without losing other important functionality |
| 11:50.07 | Flaffen | k |
| 11:50.41 | Kueken | the closest you could probably get would be a weapon, which fires on one target and starts 5 additional search effects as well as applies markers |
| 11:50.56 | Kueken | the searches sort by marker, so they prefer different units |
| 11:51.04 | Kueken | but still can shoot 1 target |
| 11:51.48 | Kueken | you would lose the ability to focus fire all weapons on 1 target manually |
| 11:52.04 | Kueken | while other targets are nearby |
| 11:52.32 | Kueken | all 6 weapons would only target the same unit, if only 1 unit is around |
| 11:52.40 | Kueken | but you can probably live with that |
| 11:53.02 | Flaffen | hmm |
| 11:53.24 | Flaffen | damn, focus fire on one target manually is quite important tho |
| 11:53.46 | Kueken | maybe add an ability? |
| 11:53.52 | Kueken | switch to focus-fire mode? |
| 11:53.58 | Kueken | which swaps out the weapon |
| 11:56.16 | Flaffen | was thinking of something along the lines of that |
| 11:56.30 | Flaffen | where u can have validators normally, and remove them with an ability |
| 11:56.59 | Flaffen | validators cause all cannons to focus different ones, and when those go, u can focus fire |
| 12:00.27 | Flaffen | but again, its either all on one or one each |
| 12:02.02 | Flaffen | apparently i cant do that either |
| 12:02.42 | Flaffen | afk a bit |
| 12:07.10 | Kueken | ~seen Bounty |
| 12:07.15 | purl | bounty <442ccc3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.44.204.59> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 9h 35m 14s ago, saying: 'JademusSreg'. |
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| 12:19.20 | Kueken | is there a way to make irc notify me, when someone logs in? |
| 12:21.21 | Flaffen | dunno, think you'd have to script it or something |
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| 12:57.07 | Gehenna_ | Hello mapsters. |
| 12:57.29 | Gehenna_ | Anyone know if it is possible to add more 'races', purely for data organisation? |
| 12:57.40 | Gehenna_ | When creating a new object, you get Neutral, None, Terran, Zerg, Protoss |
| 12:57.53 | Flaffen | think so |
| 12:58.00 | Ahli | Did you try and add a new race? |
| 12:58.35 | Kueken | afaik, you can just add new categories by entering them in raw data |
| 12:58.45 | Kueken | works for units at least |
| 12:58.54 | Kueken | not for all objects, though |
| 12:58.57 | Gehenna_ | Hmm damn. |
| 12:59.00 | Flaffen | you can make new races |
| 12:59.06 | Flaffen | when in data editor |
| 12:59.15 | Gehenna_ | Getting close to 350+ objects and prefix, suffix and logical IDs are making it harder to distinguish |
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| 12:59.24 | Kueken | yes, my comment was independent of the races |
| 12:59.51 | Flaffen | click the new tab button, the +, select advanced data and races |
| 13:00.21 | Kueken | if you purely need it for data organization |
| 13:00.27 | Kueken | open the races data tab |
| 13:00.33 | Kueken | and add a new one |
| 13:00.34 | Kueken | done |
| 13:01.39 | Kueken | however not all data types have a race field |
| 13:01.42 | Kueken | units have one |
| 13:01.47 | Gehenna_ | Hmm I've tried that, but it doesn't give me my new 'race' as a choice. |
| 13:02.02 | Kueken | it does for units |
| 13:02.30 | Gehenna_ | Object Family, Race, Object Type |
| 13:02.39 | Ahli | you can try to restart the editor... |
| 13:02.39 | Kueken | the other thing is an editor category |
| 13:02.40 | Gehenna_ | the Race field (for units) still only gives Neutral, Terran, Protoss etc |
| 13:02.59 | Kueken | Stats: Race should show the new race |
| 13:03.02 | Kueken | it does for me |
| 13:03.27 | Gehenna_ | ahh okay that works, but I was meaning for editor categories |
| 13:03.37 | Kueken | Editor Category is what you can change in raw data to any string |
| 13:03.51 | Gehenna_ | Is it possible to add new Editor Categories? |
| 13:05.38 | Kueken | if you change the raw data |
| 13:05.48 | Kueken | it will be moved to a new folder |
| 13:06.05 | Kueken | the new category will not show up in the dropdown, though |
| 13:07.23 | Gehenna_ | Cool, how can I edit the raw data? :3 |
| 13:07.40 | Kueken | ctrl + d |
| 13:08.36 | Gehenna_ | ah of course :) silly me |
| 13:08.43 | Kueken | For example, changing the Editor: CUnit_EditorCategories to ObjectFamily:Hello,ObjectType:Hi |
| 13:09.01 | Kueken | will move it in the folder Hello\(Race)\Hi\ |
| 13:09.05 | Kueken | for a unit, that is |
| 13:09.19 | Gehenna_ | Excellent. Thanks :) |
| 13:09.39 | Kueken | it does not work that well for other data types, though |
| 13:10.19 | Gehenna_ | Will have a try, thanks. |
| 13:10.38 | Gehenna_ | My other question is about Period Durations |
| 13:10.54 | Gehenna_ | It iterates between all the values set, or it picks values between the lowest + highest? |
| 13:11.11 | Kueken | for what specifically? |
| 13:11.16 | Kueken | a persistent effect? |
| 13:11.18 | Gehenna_ | Yup |
| 13:11.18 | Kueken | a behavior? |
| 13:11.21 | Kueken | ok |
| 13:11.44 | Gehenna_ | so, 0.0 and 5.0 will either always return 0.0 or 5.0 |
| 13:11.45 | Kueken | for persistent effects, it uses the periods in order, from top to bottom |
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| 13:11.55 | Kueken | if not specified otherwise |
| 13:11.57 | Gehenna_ | Okay, unless random period is ticked |
| 13:12.02 | Kueken | exactly |
| 13:12.22 | Gehenna_ | So if I wanted a period between 0.0 and 5.0, I'd have to enter all periods like so: 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5 etc? |
| 13:12.37 | Kueken | yes, probably |
| 13:12.48 | Gehenna_ | eugh :) |
| 13:13.11 | Kueken | you could however use a behavior instead |
| 13:13.18 | Kueken | behaviors can have random durations |
| 13:14.07 | Kueken | so you would use a behavior with 0 to 5 duration, which reapplys itself |
| 13:17.30 | Gehenna_ | Hmm. I see. It is for a crop growing out of the ground |
| 13:18.03 | Gehenna_ | So when a behaviour expires, the 'field' spawns up to 10 'wheat' units through a create persistent |
| 13:18.21 | Gehenna_ | each spawned unit has it's height modified by +3 over 30 seconds |
| 13:19.44 | Gehenna_ | then after a total of 45 seconds each crop casts a dummy ability which calls for it to be 'harvested' |
| 13:22.09 | Gehenna_ | Except... for some reason Colonist females and Colonist males have different attach points... WTF blizzard |
| 13:22.26 | Gehenna_ | The males have a hardpoint which is related to their Gather animation |
| 13:22.36 | Gehenna_ | The females... for some reason... have this hardpoint elsewhere |
| 13:23.09 | Gehenna_ | So now when my colonists go to harvest the wheat, the females seem to impale their faces with the it |
| 13:23.39 | Gehenna_ | Whereas the men carry it normally... don't tell me I'm going to need to validate the actor or create another model attach |
| 13:25.21 | Kueken | :D |
| 13:25.33 | Kueken | gotta love Blizzard for this kind of stuff |
| 13:28.55 | Kueken | does anyone happen to have a list for the exact colorcodes for SC2's team colors? |
| 13:29.04 | Kueken | couldn't find them at first glance |
| 13:29.19 | Kueken | not in the editor, not at google and not at mapster o_0 |
| 13:33.44 | Ahli | team colors in data are within game data |
| 13:34.38 | Ahli | but they are scaled from 0.0 to 1.0 instead of using other color codes. |
| 13:35.17 | Gehenna_ | gotta love Blizzard... |
| 13:35.34 | Kueken | where do I find them |
| 13:35.35 | Kueken | ? |
| 13:35.44 | Kueken | I feel pretty stupid right now ;) |
| 13:35.44 | Ahli | game data -> team color |
| 13:35.52 | Kueken | now even more -.- |
| 13:36.24 | Gehenna_ | Ahh well, I'm off |
| 13:36.25 | Gehenna_ | laters |
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| 14:02.31 | Xaragoth | from this angle it looks just like a fancy wc3: http://imgur.com/a/XH1gS#15 |
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| 14:25.01 | Mexa | http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/image?c=03AHJ_Vuv81SPkFwKXJv6eWBDdcFKuyGVk5typJR1OBlZvrYy5Z6IuGLhjynP4qB2SaZi7hFJ2zEkLz0-54qZNBAqFon97er3wfg9u0EW4_JMiJFEhY98qoXqRgH0YyAZW589Z3ET6tc1F7hdaaBRRzIdPldxdroeZ4w I suppose they thought that was clever. |
| 14:35.17 | Mexa | http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/04/11/fez-video-review Would have wanted that on pc :< |
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| 14:53.53 | Gehenna_ | For some reason, my Buff Expire Effect > Issue Order Effect isn't doing... anything... |
| 15:03.37 | Kueken | add an actor, which gets created for the issue order effect |
| 15:03.46 | Kueken | to see, if it gets executed properly |
| 15:04.12 | Gehenna_ | I deleted it, created a new issue order effect, based it on supply depot lower morph |
| 15:04.21 | Gehenna_ | and changed the ability it referenced,and now it works :s |
| 15:04.32 | Gehenna_ | Except the fields were all pretty much identical before |
| 15:07.31 | Gehenna_ | total resources are hard-capped at 4? |
| 15:07.39 | Gehenna_ | minerals, vespene, terrazine and custom? |
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| 15:12.18 | Gehenna_ | nice GDC talk by Christian Lichtner (blizzard lead artist) |
| 15:12.19 | Gehenna_ | http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1015306/The-Art-of-Diablo |
| 15:12.23 | egod | GUYS I HAVE 2 QUESTIONS |
| 15:12.45 | Gehenna_ | so what's the other one? |
| 15:13.00 | egod | First: How blizzard gonna decide if you have to pay for a map with the new (Arcade market place on bnet) |
| 15:13.28 | egod | Second: Is it possible to have a forum on sc2mapster for my project? |
| 15:18.21 | Ahli | You can send the map to Blizzard, then they check it (rules... or they just only tell you that they check it...), then they put a price tag on it with your wish. At least that's how I think it will work. |
| 15:18.57 | Gehenna_ | Don't be silly Ahli, it will work by us paying Blizzard to feature our maps and we earn 0.5% commission on whoever buys the map while it is featured. |
| 15:18.58 | Gehenna_ | Durr :) |
| 15:19.20 | egod | hm |
| 15:20.44 | Ahli | in the end we can buy D3 items with the money we earned and/or expansions. |
| 15:20.45 | egod | they should just put a button: Donate and it goes directly to your Bnet account |
| 15:21.04 | egod | and blizzard pay you back |
| 15:21.29 | egod | with a 0.5% commision |
| 15:21.31 | egod | :D |
| 15:21.35 | Ahli | I guess you could chose if your generated money goes to your online thing or will be transfered to your paypal account |
| 15:22.08 | Ahli | of course they take fees for every transaction, but they have the work and management stuff on their end and they host the platform |
| 15:22.26 | egod | alright |
| 15:22.30 | egod | ok and now |
| 15:22.42 | egod | Is it possible to have a forum just for my project on Sc2mapster? |
| 15:22.44 | Xaragoth | psch |
| 15:22.45 | Xaragoth | management |
| 15:22.47 | Xaragoth | work |
| 15:22.48 | Gehenna_ | Ahli - watch this: http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1015306/The-Art-of-Diablo :) |
| 15:22.51 | Xaragoth | we live in a digital age |
| 15:23.00 | Xaragoth | it's not like some poor bastard has to put a stamp on every transaction |
| 15:23.19 | Xaragoth | the whole "but we have server costs" thing has been old 6 years ago |
| 15:23.21 | Xaragoth | it still is |
| 15:23.34 | Ahli | someone has to write the e-mail to paypal which states that you wan to make business together and paypal receives a lot of accounts from hardcore nerds |
| 15:25.19 | Xaragoth | there are automated processes for that |
| 15:25.29 | Xaragoth | not to mention the entire goddamn system is already in place |
| 15:25.36 | Xaragoth | WoW Support Team sends their greeting. |
| 15:25.39 | Xaragoth | +s |
| 15:25.56 | Ahli | why should I watch that Gehenna_ not that's not interesting, but why did you give that to me? ;D |
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| 15:37.49 | egod | almost done with randomized RARE items, almost |
| 15:38.01 | egod | 2 to 6 Prefixe/Suffix/Affix |
| 15:38.07 | egod | so much possibilities |
| 15:40.06 | Xaragoth | writing design documents is boring as fuck x_x |
| 15:43.05 | Gehenna_ | durr |
| 15:43.20 | egod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T8UQ_OxiI&feature=related <---- Diablo Dubstep Remix! lol |
| 15:44.33 | Xaragoth | KILL IT WITH FIRE |
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| 15:48.57 | Zanam | feels good to be back in the editor. haven't been here in a long time |
| 15:49.35 | egod | what is your project? |
| 15:50.19 | Zanam | reviving an old one, i had some really great concepts and implementations but it lacked polish and solid gameplay |
| 15:50.35 | egod | ยธwtich one |
| 15:50.44 | egod | no secret in this irc |
| 15:50.45 | Zanam | it had a very short lived run, was called Shape Wars |
| 15:50.56 | egod | have a link? |
| 15:51.09 | Zanam | let me see if i can find it |
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| 15:51.49 | Zanam | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhExoAUNzE ...blizzcon 2010, wow. over a year since i even touched the editor |
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| 15:53.14 | egod | pretty cool |
| 15:53.32 | Helral | is it me or is the site down atm? |
| 15:54.13 | Zanam | iw as just there a minute ago |
| 15:54.18 | Zanam | but.... |
| 15:54.25 | Zanam | it does appear to be down |
| 15:54.26 | Zanam | strange |
| 15:54.48 | Helral | I was there bout 4 minutes ago, and when I click on a apge it wouldn't respond ;p |
| 15:54.59 | Helral | page* |
| 15:55.26 | Zanam | and btw, a personal thank you for the random libraries you've done. great learning tool, i try to avoid using libraries and instead learn how the library operates |
| 15:55.35 | Zanam | learned a lot from you |
| 15:55.42 | Helral | hehehe :) |
| 15:56.01 | Helral | random libraries (thinking which ones you mean ;p ) |
| 15:56.14 | Zanam | well i've only ever went and found 3, and two were by you :P |
| 15:56.20 | Zanam | so i assume there are more |
| 15:56.44 | Zanam | the inventory and achievement ones |
| 15:56.46 | Helral | I did some catalog libraries, an achievement library, an inventory library |
| 15:56.50 | Helral | hehehe |
| 15:56.52 | Helral | :) |
| 15:57.43 | Helral | Sixen: any info bout the site being down? |
| 15:58.21 | Gehenna_ | Anyone got any ideas on a good way to incorporate more custom resources in game? |
| 15:58.34 | Gehenna_ | Stacking behaviours is 'laggy' or 'inneficient' |
| 15:58.46 | Gehenna_ | But I need something that can be validated through requirements |
| 15:58.47 | Helral | you need more then 4 resources? |
| 15:58.58 | Zanam | must be heroes of might and magic. |
| 15:59.01 | Zanam | 57 resources, go! |
| 15:59.18 | Gehenna_ | HoMaM only has 3 resources. |
| 15:59.29 | Helral | it has 7 orso Gehenna_. |
| 15:59.31 | Zanam | the newest ones perhaps |
| 15:59.56 | Zanam | olden days you had wood, ore, gems, crystal, sulfur, and i think two or three more |
| 16:00.03 | prencher | we're having a network issue, it's being looked at |
| 16:00.12 | Helral | thx for the update prencher :) |
| 16:00.39 | Gehenna_ | Yeah, HoMM 6 has Ore, Wood, Crystal and Gold. |
| 16:00.48 | Zanam | the only way i could think of would be in a custom UI where you can declare them all as variables |
| 16:00.52 | Gehenna_ | It's by far the best one yet, although I did like IV quite a bit. |
| 16:00.57 | Zanam | favorite was always 3 |
| 16:01.27 | Gehenna_ | But how can I reference these variables when I'm using Build or other Abilities to check costs? |
| 16:02.13 | Mexa | HoMM3 forever and ever. |
| 16:02.50 | Gehenna_ | Give VI another chance, it does a lot of things surprisingly well. |
| 16:02.52 | Mexa | It bothered me that they couldn't even get the last game have a properly coded demo. |
| 16:03.08 | Mexa | It had major issues that bugged me. |
| 16:03.13 | Gehenna_ | lol who uses demos? Torrent & Buy if you Like. |
| 16:03.39 | Helral | HoMM IV was funny with the heroes joining the fight, instead of standing at the side. |
| 16:03.52 | Mexa | Fuck that, if they can't appeal me with a shitty demo, I don't expect the full game to be any less interesting. |
| 16:04.09 | Zanam | @Gehenna_ by custom UI i mean completely through dialogs, where your build would be whatever you wanted it to be |
| 16:04.16 | Zanam | not sc2's built-in one |
| 16:04.31 | Zanam | other than that i'm not sure how you would go about it |
| 16:04.37 | Mexa | ... and not worth the time to pirate. |
| 16:04.47 | Gehenna_ | And so, how do I translate a Build Ability... into a dialog-based one? AFAIK you can't 'click' a dialog button and then go straight into ability-casting or building-placement |
| 16:06.07 | Helral | keeping track of the resources using behavior stacks wouldn't work as wanted, right? |
| 16:06.42 | Gehenna_ | Hmm, it is a possibility. I remember 'hearing' that large stacks of behaviours caused performance issues? |
| 16:07.55 | Ahli | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=316AzLYfAzw push button to add drama |
| 16:08.13 | Gehenna_ | sceeene it :p |
| 16:11.48 | egod | Is it possible to have a forum just for my project on Sc2mapster? |
| 16:11.53 | Helral | yup |
| 16:12.06 | egod | how? |
| 16:12.14 | Helral | create a map, then at the map area add the forum. |
| 16:12.53 | egod | hmm |
| 16:12.53 | prencher | and we're back |
| 16:12.56 | egod | didnt notice, thx lot |
| 16:13.03 | Helral | :) |
| 16:15.03 | Ahli | page working again |
| 16:23.31 | Mexa | Ahaha Ahli, that was awesome :D |
| 16:23.50 | Gehenna_ | Silly Belgians. |
| 16:25.05 | Gehenna_ | Hmm, it is a possibility. I remember 'hearing' that large stacks of behaviours caused performance issues? Anyone confirm? |
| 16:25.41 | Gehenna_ | We're talking about 15 to 30 behaviours, all stacking between 1 to 100 times? |
| 16:25.51 | Gehenna_ | on one unit |
| 16:30.31 | Kueken | that should work |
| 16:30.53 | Kueken | stacks > 255 on a single behavior are usually avoide |
| 16:30.54 | Kueken | d |
| 16:31.22 | Kueken | also, there is a behavior limit on a single unit you would need to worry about |
| 16:31.40 | Kueken | but I believe, it got raised from 32 to 64 recently |
| 16:31.44 | Kueken | so you're good |
| 16:32.29 | Gehenna_ | Perfect. And I guess if I need resources over 255... I could create a Buff that counts as 10 :) |
| 16:32.47 | Kueken | why do you want to use behaviors for resources? |
| 16:33.15 | Gehenna_ | Wheat, Flour, Bread, Water, Meat, Bones, Stones, Wood, Eggs, Feathers, etc... :p |
| 16:34.10 | Gehenna_ | Not all of them will need to be saved as stacked behaviours. Only the ones used directly in construction or production |
| 16:34.41 | Kueken | so your problem is |
| 16:34.52 | Kueken | that you cannot just use the resources as trigger variables |
| 16:35.06 | Kueken | because they cannot be accessed directly from build abilities n stuff? |
| 16:35.12 | Gehenna_ | Pretty much, yes. |
| 16:35.17 | Kueken | hm |
| 16:36.13 | Kueken | you could try to work with ability charges |
| 16:36.29 | Kueken | add charges via trigger and make buildings cost charges |
| 16:36.43 | Gehenna_ | Hmm. This seems like it'd be less work. |
| 16:36.51 | Kueken | each resource has a unique charge link |
| 16:36.55 | Kueken | but |
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| 16:37.49 | Kueken | an ability can only consume charges of one kind, I think... |
| 16:38.03 | Gehenna_ | Hmm. There is a lot of interaction between Data + Triggers |
| 16:38.07 | Gehenna_ | I think I'll stick with behaviours |
| 16:38.10 | Gehenna_ | Use Requirements |
| 16:38.20 | Gehenna_ | And just subtract behaviours as they are 'spent' |
| 16:38.28 | Kueken | could even place a dummy unit and use the unit's properties :D |
| 16:38.33 | Kueken | life = wood |
| 16:38.39 | Kueken | max life = stone |
| 16:38.40 | Kueken | etc |
| 16:38.43 | Kueken | :p |
| 16:38.54 | Gehenna_ | If only Custom Values could be referenced :p |
| 16:39.24 | Gehenna_ | Although... unit properties... |
| 16:39.29 | Gehenna_ | Could be... possible... :) |
| 16:39.33 | Kueken | behaviors will be a pain in the ass |
| 16:39.52 | Gehenna_ | How often can behaviours be added/removed? |
| 16:39.57 | Kueken | but well, probably every workaround for this will be... |
| 16:40.09 | Kueken | how often? |
| 16:40.17 | Kueken | I don't believe, there is a limit |
| 16:40.24 | Gehenna_ | Hmm. Sorry, wasn't thinking properly. Not sure what I was trying to ask haha |
| 16:40.53 | Gehenna_ | Don't understand why I can't just... Data > Gameplay Data > Resource Types > CTRL+= > "New Resource" tadaa |
| 16:41.14 | Kueken | :) |
| 16:41.15 | Vailreth | hadcoded for 4 |
| 16:41.20 | Vailreth | dard* |
| 16:41.27 | Vailreth | HARD DAMNIT |
| 16:41.37 | Gehenna_ | 'Blizzard: Let's create a modular and expansive toolset for our SC2 campaign editor" |
| 16:41.48 | Gehenna_ | 'but... lets hard code all of the values, so they can't change anything meaningful!" |
| 16:42.03 | Kueken | should be like command cards |
| 16:42.16 | Kueken | hardcoded to 4 when using the interface |
| 16:42.16 | Gehenna_ | Don't get me started on command cards... :p |
| 16:42.28 | Kueken | but use raw data, make 16 cards, win :D |
| 16:42.34 | Ahli | ;D really? |
| 16:42.40 | Gehenna_ | Yup :p |
| 16:42.46 | Kueken | yep, tried it, works just fine |
| 16:43.11 | Ahli | Blizzard isn't really using the editor for their stuff I guess ^^ |
| 16:43.22 | Gehenna_ | 15 Buttons on my 1st command card are all submenues to the other 15 command cards :) |
| 16:43.43 | Ahli | what the ;D |
| 16:44.01 | Kueken | so |
| 16:44.03 | Gehenna_ | Only going to need about 6 or 7, just have it set up to check that it works |
| 16:44.24 | Vailreth | they are using the editor thy just dont have to wiat for themselves to push patches |
| 16:45.12 | Gehenna_ | I want to meet the guy who input the GaussRifle as GuassRifle and slap him in the face. Then take his job. |
| 16:45.19 | Kueken | you want to apply the behaviors to all builders constantly and use requirements to check for all of them? |
| 16:45.38 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 16:45.43 | Gehenna_ | @Kueken - no, I presume I can check total behaviours, and keep them all tied to one unit? |
| 16:46.01 | Kueken | I am not sure, if requirements can do that |
| 16:46.07 | Kueken | they can check for total units |
| 16:46.23 | Kueken | but not sure, if check total behaviors will work |
| 16:46.43 | JademusSreg | Requirements can check behaviors on a local unit or all units, iirc. |
| 16:47.00 | Kueken | and still, you would need a requirement for everything in the game that costs resources... have fun :D |
| 16:47.00 | Gehenna_ | Count Behavior > Completed |
| 16:47.15 | Gehenna_ | As opposed to Count Behavior > Completed at Unit |
| 16:47.35 | Kueken | yes, just wasn't sure, if it will work |
| 16:48.03 | Gehenna_ | You can never be sure ANYTHING will work. It's Starcraft 2 :p |
| 16:48.33 | Gehenna_ | Creating requirements isn't going to take too long ;) |
| 16:48.40 | Kueken | apparenttly, Set Tint Color messages don't work on low shader settings |
| 16:48.53 | Kueken | didn't know that |
| 16:49.04 | Gehenna_ | You're lucky actors work on low graphic settings, a lot of things are disabled. |
| 16:49.18 | Kueken | texture swaping works, though :D |
| 16:50.12 | Ahli | I'm quite sure tint actor works on low settings |
| 16:50.35 | Kueken | yes, its the HDR multiplier, who doesn't |
| 16:50.44 | Gehenna_ | For my next trick... I want to periodically check 1 unit north, south, east and west of a unit for same units and do a model swap depending on how many (N,E,S,W) return true |
| 16:50.48 | Kueken | I forgot to specify |
| 16:51.11 | Gehenna_ | is Range 1 == to 1 building grid block? Or some arbitrary radius? |
| 16:51.29 | Kueken | hm |
| 16:51.34 | Kueken | marines got 5 range |
| 16:51.39 | Kueken | could match 5 blocks |
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| 16:52.14 | Ahli | agrees |
| 16:53.34 | Gehenna_ | Yeah, exactly. A marine can 'just' shoot past a command center |
| 16:54.08 | Kueken | its range + unit radius |
| 16:54.13 | Kueken | I think |
| 16:54.17 | Gehenna_ | yep |
| 16:54.47 | Gehenna_ | The marine should'nt be able to shoot past the cmd center because it is 5x5, but since the shooting marine, and the target both have radii greater than 0, he can hit across it |
| 16:55.05 | Kueken | I made some team-colored preservers |
| 16:55.08 | Kueken | http://h11.abload.de/img/preserver_teamcolory4j6m.jpg |
| 16:55.18 | Kueken | turned out pretty okay, I think |
| 16:55.52 | Gehenna_ | texture swap, or alpha layered textures? |
| 16:56.05 | Kueken | both, actually |
| 16:56.25 | Kueken | the diffuse is the preserver texture with added transparency |
| 16:56.33 | Gehenna_ | how did you remove the emissive glow :) |
| 16:56.36 | Kueken | the glow is swapped for each player individually |
| 16:56.46 | Kueken | swap with a black texture ^^ |
| 16:56.53 | Gehenna_ | haha :) nice |
| 16:57.01 | Kueken | well, in this picture its just low shader settings |
| 16:57.37 | Gehenna_ | looks good |
| 16:58.02 | Gehenna_ | I've got about 20 different textures for colonists (male and female) depending on their armor :) |
| 16:58.15 | Gehenna_ | My favourite is the zergling hide armour |
| 16:58.42 | Gehenna_ | http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/541745_10150923506044466_717564465_12745725_1449429083_n.jpg |
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| 16:58.53 | Gehenna_ | it's a bit like that, except if the puppy was a colonist, and the dinosaur is the zergling hide |
| 16:59.14 | Gehenna_ | brb dinner |
| 17:15.53 | Kueken | xD |
| 17:16.08 | Kueken | you can unshare the control of your own units via trigger |
| 17:16.22 | JademusSreg | Tried. |
| 17:16.26 | JademusSreg | Didn't succeed. |
| 17:16.32 | Kueken | works for me |
| 17:16.42 | JademusSreg | Show me. =D |
| 17:17.12 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.19 | Kueken | executed in an initializer |
| 17:17.30 | Kueken | and I couldn't move my units anymore |
| 17:17.35 | JademusSreg | Oops. I misunderstood. |
| 17:17.51 | JademusSreg | I was thinking of unallying yourself so your units would become hostile. |
| 17:18.06 | Kueken | that would be the next thing for me to try :D |
| 17:18.15 | Kueken | so that doesn't work |
| 17:18.18 | JademusSreg | I've accomplished that in WC3, and tried to do the same in SC2 to no success. |
| 17:18.24 | Kueken | I guess removing vision might |
| 17:18.29 | JademusSreg | But you're wlecome to try. |
| 17:18.34 | JademusSreg | *welcome |
| 17:18.58 | JademusSreg | If I'm wrong, it would be good to see what I did wrongly. =D |
| 17:20.40 | Kueken | heh |
| 17:20.48 | Kueken | can remove your own vision |
| 17:21.52 | Dustin | Ya |
| 17:21.58 | Dustin | I was using that for my map |
| 17:22.03 | Dustin | But i remade the concept |
| 17:23.58 | JademusSreg | I figured that a player being able to be hostile toward itself would make confuse/berserk-style buffs easier to implement. |
| 17:26.49 | Helral | beserk buff: set unit ownership temporary to hostile player ;p |
| 17:27.15 | JademusSreg | Two units beside each other with that buff will not attack on e another. |
| 17:27.27 | JademusSreg | So it does not satisfy my criteria. =D |
| 17:28.25 | Helral | or just use another type of buff. |
| 17:28.51 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 17:29.03 | Helral | combination of 2 effects: 1 owner becomes hostile, 2 every second attack order on neaby enemy (search effect with order effect) |
| 17:29.28 | Helral | nearby unit* |
| 17:29.39 | JademusSreg | If the unit doesn't have a weapon, then it will be inert or run, and not use its abilities. |
| 17:29.50 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's not that it's not a good idea. |
| 17:30.09 | Helral | hmmmm? |
| 17:30.10 | JademusSreg | But rather it's not an elegant solution. |
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| 17:30.40 | Helral | hehehe |
| 17:30.53 | Kueken | swap out the attack ability with one, that auto-acquires allies :) |
| 17:31.03 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:31.07 | Helral | lol |
| 17:31.12 | Dustin | My auto aquire allies thing I tried doesnt work |
| 17:31.42 | Kueken | I am pretty sure, I got it to work |
| 17:31.42 | JademusSreg | How about a behavior with an enormous switch effect that just orders the unit to cast every ability? /ridiculously inefficient |
| 17:31.50 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 17:39.28 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 17:39.50 | Vailreth | hey Bounty |
| 17:40.27 | Bounty | So, it did not take long for someone to suggest making Photon Discs top down lol |
| 17:41.59 | Bounty | Did you see the video yet JademusSreg? If so did you see the spawn immunity glow? |
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| 17:46.25 | Kueken | Hey Bounty |
| 17:46.31 | Kueken | did you check my PM? |
| 17:46.34 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 17:46.44 | Bounty | I'm gonna give it a shot sometime today |
| 17:46.51 | Bounty | Hopefully i can manage to understand what you said :) |
| 17:47.01 | Kueken | I can walk you through |
| 17:47.07 | Kueken | also have an example map |
| 17:47.22 | Bounty | How long does it take to do? |
| 17:47.31 | Kueken | just a moment, attaching it to the PM |
| 17:47.39 | Bounty | And am i understanding it properly that on high settings players see the top models, and on low they see the bottom |
| 17:48.13 | Bounty | I mean i dont think i need the glow effect really |
| 17:48.27 | Kueken | you can leave out the glow |
| 17:48.39 | Kueken | in this case you only need to import one texture |
| 17:49.03 | Bounty | import? the texture isnt already in sc2? |
| 17:49.06 | Kueken | no |
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| 17:49.19 | Kueken | did you read the 2nd pm? |
| 17:49.24 | Kueken | eh |
| 17:49.25 | Kueken | nvm |
| 17:49.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 17:49.38 | Kueken | I listed the file size |
| 17:49.53 | Kueken | 100 kb import for that one |
| 17:50.13 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
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| 17:59.21 | Vailreth | aww thats toobad they cut the shredder |
| 17:59.37 | Kueken | they did? |
| 17:59.41 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 17:59.45 | Vailreth | and the replicant |
| 17:59.52 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:00.00 | Kueken | was somewhat expecting that |
| 18:00.18 | Vailreth | viper is now pure caster....and they are keeping the overseer as of last update |
| 18:01.04 | Vailreth | oh and vipers now eat minerals to replenish their energy |
| 18:01.31 | Dustin | lol |
| 18:01.37 | Dustin | HERES BADASS NEW UNITS! |
| 18:01.45 | Dustin | OH we lied, lolol |
| 18:03.32 | JademusSreg | Wat? |
| 18:03.59 | Dustin | All the new shit cuts |
| 18:04.24 | Ahli | wowowowowow |
| 18:04.27 | Kueken | reminds me of a certain Blizzard game, which was supposed to be released years ago... |
| 18:04.29 | Ahli | goes checking the news |
| 18:04.40 | JademusSreg | I need a link. =D |
| 18:04.46 | Kueken | battle.net |
| 18:04.51 | Kueken | :D |
| 18:04.55 | Vailreth | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4833874/Developer_Update_Heart_of_the_Swarm_Multiplayer-4_11_2012#blog |
| 18:05.25 | Kueken | so |
| 18:05.34 | Kueken | Bounty can you make sense of the example map? |
| 18:05.55 | Bounty | no lol |
| 18:06.00 | Bounty | its all in code |
| 18:06.11 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:06.14 | Kueken | sorry |
| 18:06.15 | Dustin | Anyone wanna help me test my map? |
| 18:06.51 | Kueken | if you don't want the glow, you won't need any trigger interaction anyway |
| 18:07.09 | Bounty | just a straight up textselect by ID? |
| 18:07.14 | Kueken | yes |
| 18:07.22 | Kueken | basically |
| 18:07.50 | Bounty | which texture would i use? |
| 18:07.53 | Bounty | the main one? |
| 18:08.01 | JademusSreg | Blind should affect units besides biological. |
| 18:08.19 | Kueken | if you dont need the glow, you will only need the Preserver_TeamColor.dds |
| 18:08.48 | Bounty | kk sweet |
| 18:08.56 | Bounty | What do you think Jademussreg? |
| 18:09.00 | Bounty | I dont think i need the glow |
| 18:09.19 | JademusSreg | I don't think glow is needed. |
| 18:09.27 | Kueken | I like it :) |
| 18:09.32 | Bounty | yeah i like it to |
| 18:09.32 | Kueken | sure, its not needed |
| 18:09.39 | Bounty | but its easier to tell them apart without it imo |
| 18:09.50 | JademusSreg | I like it, too, but that wasn't the question. =D |
| 18:10.57 | Kueken | its not THAT much work, either |
| 18:11.04 | Kueken | but its your decision |
| 18:11.15 | Kueken | without glow = 5 minutes work |
| 18:11.20 | Bounty | what slot do i use? |
| 18:11.21 | Kueken | with maybe half an hor |
| 18:11.21 | Bounty | main? |
| 18:11.25 | Kueken | hour |
| 18:11.37 | JademusSreg | Slots are arbitrary and static. |
| 18:11.37 | Kueken | I use main.diffuse |
| 18:11.57 | Kueken | you can use whatever slot pleases you :) |
| 18:12.15 | JademusSreg | Which is to say it doesn't matter which slot you use. |
| 18:12.21 | JademusSreg | But the options are limited. |
| 18:12.51 | Kueken | yep, you have a list of about 20 slots, from which you can use 4 sub-slots each |
| 18:13.11 | Kueken | so you can swap no more than 80 textures on a single model :D |
| 18:13.51 | JademusSreg | If, however, a model is using anywhere near 80 textures, something is wrong. |
| 18:14.14 | Kueken | oh, most of the declarations on the model are probably unneeded |
| 18:14.33 | Kueken | I used that map before to swap all textures of the preserver to look at the effects |
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| 18:15.01 | ________________ | argh, i can't find this topic |
| 18:15.14 | ________________ | any1 have the link handy to either of these two topics: |
| 18:15.30 | ________________ | one where a guy was showing off his Hero select system with on screen stats |
| 18:15.31 | ________________ | or |
| 18:15.39 | Bounty | well its not working with just textureselect by ID |
| 18:15.49 | ________________ | one where the guy was showing off his dialog real time animation hero previewer |
| 18:16.04 | Kueken | did you set up the model? |
| 18:16.24 | Bounty | prolly not |
| 18:16.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:16.55 | Bounty | I think a walkthrough is in order |
| 18:16.56 | Bounty | :) |
| 18:17.03 | Kueken | select preserver model |
| 18:17.17 | Kueken | look for Texture Declarations + field |
| 18:17.23 | Kueken | add a new declaration |
| 18:17.32 | Bounty | kk |
| 18:17.32 | Kueken | add a new adaption for that |
| 18:17.52 | Kueken | change slot to main.diffuse, or whatever you chose before |
| 18:18.06 | Kueken | change trigger on substring to |
| 18:18.07 | Bounty | kk |
| 18:18.14 | Kueken | Tassadar_Diffuse.dds |
| 18:18.37 | Bounty | k |
| 18:18.43 | Bounty | that it? |
| 18:18.54 | Kueken | for no glow, ye |
| 18:18.54 | Kueken | s |
| 18:19.00 | Kueken | checklist |
| 18:19.06 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/14010-blizz-dota-hero-selection-interface/ this? |
| 18:19.07 | Kueken | did you import the texture? |
| 18:19.18 | Bounty | yeah |
| 18:19.22 | ________________ | not that 1 ahli |
| 18:19.37 | ________________ | but its similar |
| 18:19.37 | Kueken | did you create a texture data object with this texture? |
| 18:19.37 | Bounty | i imported Preserver_TeamColor.dds |
| 18:19.37 | Kueken | and the slot |
| 18:19.38 | Bounty | yes |
| 18:19.39 | ________________ | its not by programmer |
| 18:19.50 | Bounty | the slot? |
| 18:19.57 | Kueken | did you add the texture select by id actor message to the actor? |
| 18:20.01 | Bounty | yes |
| 18:20.12 | Bounty | [4/11/2012 2:19:59 PM] Warning: [ e7 6] CActorUnit[PreserverA] PreserverA Assets\Units\Protoss\Preserver\Preserver_00.m3; Could not find texture with id TeamColorTexture and expression <None>. |
| 18:20.13 | Kueken | the slot for the texture object |
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| 18:20.15 | Bounty | i get like 50 of those |
| 18:20.24 | JademusSreg | Sounds like something BorgDragon would do. =D |
| 18:20.26 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:20.31 | Kueken | did you save the map? |
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| 18:20.39 | Bounty | yes |
| 18:20.47 | Kueken | now, restart the editor |
| 18:21.24 | Kueken | still error messages? |
| 18:21.31 | Bounty | booting up now |
| 18:21.32 | Dustin | UGH |
| 18:21.43 | Dustin | Anyone know anything about beams? |
| 18:21.57 | Kueken | a thing or 2 |
| 18:22.00 | Bounty | no error but |
| 18:22.02 | Dustin | Specifically how I can get one to show up while a healer is created |
| 18:22.03 | Bounty | its not doing nething lol |
| 18:22.07 | Kueken | would like to finish with bounty, though |
| 18:22.12 | Kueken | bounty: |
| 18:22.27 | Kueken | you probably used texture select by id at actor creation |
| 18:22.29 | Kueken | right? |
| 18:22.35 | Bounty | yeah |
| 18:22.41 | Kueken | that only works ingame |
| 18:22.42 | ________________ | if it helps anyone thats trying to help me find the dialog selection map... a guy shows off his battlecruiser flying around in the dialog and in game simultaneously in the video |
| 18:22.50 | Kueken | you won't see the result in editor |
| 18:22.56 | Bounty | ah |
| 18:23.00 | Bounty | testing it out now then :) |
| 18:23.20 | Kueken | you could do actor creation -> timer start and timer expired -> texture select... if you want that to change |
| 18:23.22 | egod | abcdefghifklmnop |
| 18:23.41 | Kueken | oh |
| 18:23.47 | Kueken | and I forgot something |
| 18:23.48 | Ahli | that was the chinese guy |
| 18:23.55 | Kueken | it still has the blue glow, right? |
| 18:24.03 | Ahli | Renee2islga |
| 18:24.10 | Bounty | yeah |
| 18:24.13 | Bounty | but i think thats fine |
| 18:24.31 | Kueken | removing that requires a 2nd texture swap |
| 18:24.42 | Kueken | no imports |
| 18:25.11 | Bounty | can you set tint of actor to its player color in data? |
| 18:25.16 | Bounty | bc now the discs that you hold |
| 18:25.18 | Bounty | do not tint |
| 18:25.22 | Bounty | the ones you throw do |
| 18:25.24 | Bounty | but not the ones u hold |
| 18:25.59 | Ahli | _______________________, http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/27296-gax3-star-craft-ii-editor-enchant-mod-mod-download/ |
| 18:26.04 | Ahli | ________________ |
| 18:26.23 | ________________ | hmm? |
| 18:26.25 | Ahli | scroll down and there are pictures with a huge marine and BC. that's the stuff what was used |
| 18:26.29 | Kueken | how to you change the tint color for the thrown ones? |
| 18:26.36 | Bounty | trigger |
| 18:26.48 | ________________ | oh oh oh |
| 18:26.48 | Bounty | but the ones in ur hand are attached via a behavior |
| 18:26.53 | ________________ | ah, close ahli |
| 18:26.59 | ________________ | i do have GAX enchant mod |
| 18:27.01 | JademusSreg | I've not looked at the mod, but it seems pretty useful. However, I don't care for bulky frameworks. |
| 18:27.04 | ________________ | but this isnt what i meant >.< |
| 18:27.16 | Kueken | hm |
| 18:27.24 | Bounty | Any idea JademusSreg? |
| 18:27.25 | ________________ | its like |
| 18:27.25 | Kueken | you cannot get player color in data |
| 18:27.31 | ________________ | a portrait previewer almost |
| 18:27.41 | ________________ | but its showing the unit in real time inside of a dialog |
| 18:27.42 | Kueken | you could attach the actor via trigger, so you have access to it |
| 18:27.50 | Bounty | yeah i was thinking that |
| 18:28.07 | Kueken | or search for actors in the scope, I am sure that is possible, too |
| 18:28.33 | Kueken | or apply different behaviors per player |
| 18:28.34 | Bounty | how do you do that |
| 18:28.46 | Kueken | no idea, would need to experiment |
| 18:28.49 | Ahli | I remember it witht he battlecruiser flying around (which is already seen in that thread on some pictures) |
| 18:28.58 | Kueken | but I would think that it is :) |
| 18:29.03 | Bounty | actor from actor? |
| 18:29.15 | ________________ | so you know which thread im talking about? |
| 18:29.16 | Bibendus | why iz noone trying my map :| |
| 18:29.24 | JademusSreg | Bounty, can you repackage the issue? It's difficult to track given the concurrent conversations. =D |
| 18:29.25 | ________________ | cuz i saw it a long time ago but i dont know why i didnt bookmark it |
| 18:29.40 | Bounty | Well we got the team color working JademusSreg |
| 18:29.42 | Bibendus | me sad |
| 18:29.45 | Kueken | Actor from Scope probably |
| 18:29.47 | Bounty | but u remember how the discs u hold in ur hand are ur color? |
| 18:29.51 | Ahli | I know the video ;D |
| 18:29.54 | Bounty | well those are not tinting anymore |
| 18:29.56 | Bounty | the ones u throw are |
| 18:30.03 | Bounty | but not the ones u hold, bc they are attached through data |
| 18:30.17 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 18:30.28 | ________________ | hehe |
| 18:30.29 | Bounty | could i just send a message? |
| 18:30.35 | Bounty | Send Actor Message to ACtor From Actor |
| 18:30.37 | Bounty | since its attached |
| 18:30.39 | JademusSreg | Model attachments usually inherit those properties from the parent. |
| 18:30.44 | Bounty | yeah |
| 18:30.50 | Bounty | thats why it worked when i was tinting the models |
| 18:30.51 | Bounty | :) |
| 18:30.54 | Kueken | but the parent is not tinted anymore ;) |
| 18:31.03 | Kueken | btw |
| 18:31.09 | JademusSreg | So give it a team colored texture. |
| 18:31.14 | Kueken | I really would remove the blue glow |
| 18:31.33 | Kueken | you cannot distinguish them at all with that still in place |
| 18:31.44 | Bounty | how do i do that |
| 18:31.45 | Bounty | :) |
| 18:31.51 | Kueken | same as before |
| 18:31.55 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 18:32.00 | ________________ | it might've been a hero select system, but after searching through mapster with those exact words... none of the threads that came up matche what i was looking for |
| 18:32.00 | Bounty | what? |
| 18:32.03 | Kueken | new adaption to the existing declaration |
| 18:32.10 | Kueken | of the model |
| 18:32.28 | Bounty | ok then what |
| 18:32.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:32.45 | Kueken | trigger on substring -> EnergyPlane3.dds |
| 18:32.56 | Kueken | slot -> body.diffuse |
| 18:33.01 | Kueken | new texture object |
| 18:33.07 | Kueken | slot -> body.diffuse |
| 18:33.14 | Kueken | file -> black.dds |
| 18:33.26 | Kueken | new texture select by id event to the actor |
| 18:33.37 | Kueken | done |
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| 18:34.35 | Bounty | ok |
| 18:34.44 | Bounty | now i gotta find out how to make the discs team color haha |
| 18:35.09 | Kueken | Actor from Scope sounds promising |
| 18:35.28 | Kueken | scope -> Scope from Unit |
| 18:35.42 | Kueken | and the id of the disc actor |
| 18:36.27 | JademusSreg | Like I said, set the texture to one that supports team color, through the means Kueken described. Add the events to both the Model actor corresponding to the behavior and to the unit actor for the missile. |
| 18:36.46 | Kueken | the model itself has to support team color |
| 18:36.54 | Kueken | and I am pretty sure the saw doesn't |
| 18:36.55 | Bounty | send actor message to scope? |
| 18:37.01 | Kueken | mst projectiles don't |
| 18:37.07 | JademusSreg | Oh man, that would suck if it didn't. |
| 18:37.25 | Bounty | well i mean |
| 18:37.28 | Bounty | look at the discs |
| 18:37.32 | Bounty | it cant be that hard to find a texture |
| 18:37.33 | JademusSreg | Easy to check in the previewer, though. |
| 18:37.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:37.43 | Bounty | i forgot about that |
| 18:37.44 | Bounty | oh yeah |
| 18:37.54 | Bounty | swapping textures etc |
| 18:37.56 | Bounty | how do you do that again? i saw zelda do that on his tream |
| 18:38.01 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 18:38.08 | JademusSreg | points up. |
| 18:38.22 | Kueken | you can swap textures in the previewer? |
| 18:38.26 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
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| 18:38.33 | JademusSreg | You can check if the model supports team color. |
| 18:38.52 | Bounty | well wouldnt it automatically do it? |
| 18:38.56 | Bounty | If it supported it |
| 18:38.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:39.22 | JademusSreg | Easier to check the model in the previewer than to waste time seeing if it works. |
| 18:39.27 | ________________ | oh, wow im moronic... ahli... it was in the GAX3 mod |
| 18:39.30 | ________________ | i just forgot about it |
| 18:39.31 | ________________ | thank you |
| 18:39.33 | Bounty | i dont know how to check this shit |
| 18:39.34 | Bounty | rofl |
| 18:39.42 | Ahli | np :D |
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| 18:39.56 | Kueken | I would like to know as well, Jade |
| 18:39.59 | ________________ | now i can finish my selection system :) |
| 18:40.00 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 18:40.08 | JademusSreg | I guess I'll open the editor. |
| 18:40.10 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:40.13 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:40.31 | Kueken | you can change team color in the previewer |
| 18:40.40 | Kueken | but that doesn't say anything |
| 18:40.42 | harl | hi |
| 18:40.49 | ________________ | hiiiiiiiii |
| 18:41.34 | JademusSreg | It's all about materials. Yeah. It's all about materials. Yeaaah. |
| 18:41.42 | Bounty | forget it |
| 18:41.46 | Bounty | just tell me how to do it in triggers |
| 18:41.47 | Bounty | with tint |
| 18:41.52 | Bounty | bc its not just the discs i need to tint |
| 18:42.21 | Kueken | need to try, if it actually works |
| 18:42.52 | Bounty | how do you use the scope thing kueken |
| 18:42.57 | Bounty | when i do it it only lets me do this |
| 18:43.01 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.12 | Bounty | it doesnt let me specify the disc actor |
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| 18:43.19 | Kueken | its probably a function |
| 18:43.34 | Kueken | so you do set actor a to (actor from scope) |
| 18:45.00 | Bounty | ok |
| 18:45.01 | Bounty | i got it |
| 18:45.36 | Kueken | works |
| 18:45.45 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.49 | Bounty | works |
| 18:45.55 | Bounty | :) |
| 18:46.10 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:46.24 | flyingspatula | :) |
| 18:46.38 | Kueken | the glow removal worked as well? |
| 18:47.04 | Bounty | yeah |
| 18:47.16 | Kueken | I would recommend to tint the preservers to a HDR of 1.5 or 2 |
| 18:47.22 | Kueken | looks best imo |
| 18:47.30 | Bounty | what color? |
| 18:47.34 | Kueken | white |
| 18:47.39 | Kueken | so no color |
| 18:47.44 | Kueken | just the hdr |
| 18:47.48 | Bounty | and yeah |
| 18:47.50 | Bounty | i use 1.5 hdr |
| 18:47.52 | Bounty | for everything |
| 18:47.53 | Bounty | :) |
| 18:48.38 | Kueken | btw, it was my first real unit texture ever, so its probably not perfect xD |
| 18:48.47 | Bounty | looks fine to me |
| 18:52.32 | JademusSreg | From what I can tell, an Opaque blend mode on a diffuse texture with non-empty alpha channel will show team color. |
| 18:53.36 | JademusSreg | I'm looking for more information to refine my hypothesis. |
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| 18:56.44 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 18:56.51 | JademusSreg | Blend mode isn't important. |
| 18:57.03 | JademusSreg | Unless... |
| 18:57.36 | Kueken | Blend Mode has effects, yoes |
| 18:57.38 | Kueken | yes |
| 18:57.41 | JademusSreg | ShapeBox for instance has a material with an Alpha Blend mode, but the emissive blend type is Team Color Emissive Add. |
| 18:57.50 | Bounty | So, i doubled the rate power is used when you pop shield Jade |
| 18:57.57 | Bounty | and i doubled the rate you regen |
| 18:57.59 | Kueken | also blend type |
| 18:58.21 | Kueken | they affect, how exactly the team color is applied |
| 18:58.33 | Kueken | for emissive textures mostly |
| 18:58.47 | flyingspatula | bounty have u ever tried using ability event instead of key press for wasd? |
| 18:58.53 | Bounty | yep |
| 18:58.54 | flyingspatula | alteast for key down |
| 18:58.57 | flyingspatula | any difference? |
| 18:59.02 | flyingspatula | on bnet that is |
| 18:59.04 | Bounty | hard to tell |
| 18:59.05 | JademusSreg | So from what I can tell, by default, an opaque blend mode with Add blend types (which many unit models use) will show team color if the diffuse texture has data in the alpha channel. |
| 18:59.07 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 18:59.11 | flyingspatula | so not worth using? |
| 18:59.22 | Bounty | i'm not using it for Photon Discs |
| 18:59.24 | Bounty | ill tell you that much |
| 18:59.27 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 18:59.35 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 18:59.40 | Bibendus | is there a way to create a validator |
| 18:59.45 | Bibendus | for amount of carried minerals on a unit? |
| 19:00.02 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 19:00.26 | Bibendus | lol |
| 19:00.36 | JademusSreg | You mean how much a worker is carrying, yes? |
| 19:01.03 | Kueken | jade |
| 19:01.08 | Bibendus | the amount |
| 19:01.08 | Bibendus | yes |
| 19:01.09 | Bibendus | > 0 |
| 19:01.15 | Kueken | critters use opaque & add as well |
| 19:01.16 | Bibendus | better if I can get the amount |
| 19:01.18 | Kueken | yet no team color |
| 19:01.34 | JademusSreg | Probably because their textures don't have data in the alpha channel Kuek. |
| 19:01.51 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 19:01.56 | JademusSreg | Checked and confirmed. |
| 19:02.09 | Kueken | they don't, but swapping to a texture with alpha doesn't show team color as well |
| 19:02.27 | Kueken | yet for a preserver it does |
| 19:02.39 | Kueken | and his default texture has no alpha as well |
| 19:02.39 | JademusSreg | Can't say I've tried on a critter. |
| 19:02.55 | Kueken | I have critters in my texture swap testmap |
| 19:05.20 | JademusSreg | Haha. Lyote uses texture set by id already. |
| 19:05.23 | JademusSreg | Funny. |
| 19:05.27 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 19:06.08 | Kueken | critters show black where other units show team color |
| 19:06.21 | Kueken | at least some of them |
| 19:06.27 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 19:06.32 | Kueken | automaton and lava critters support team color |
| 19:07.04 | JademusSreg | I'm choking my editor to death with XML view. |
| 19:07.20 | Kueken | did you enable syntax highliting? |
| 19:07.29 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 19:07.38 | Kueken | turn it off ^^ |
| 19:08.03 | JademusSreg | Naw, it has its uses. I usually limit XML viewing to map/mod content. |
| 19:08.41 | Kueken | interesting |
| 19:08.53 | Kueken | most models not supporting team color show black |
| 19:09.07 | Kueken | but some get straight up transparent |
| 19:09.22 | Kueken | they get holes n stuff |
| 19:09.32 | JademusSreg | Blend mode and blend types are responsible for that, I expect. Just need to find the missing variable. |
| 19:10.27 | Bibendus | so jade |
| 19:10.30 | Bibendus | back to my question |
| 19:10.31 | JademusSreg | Interesting that Lyotes use texturesetbyid, but there's no corresponding texture in the data where I'd expect a reference. |
| 19:10.34 | Bibendus | do you know if it is possible? |
| 19:10.49 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:10.58 | Kueken | the ScrapCube is one of the very few models becoming transparent |
| 19:12.38 | Kueken | blend mode opaque, blend types add |
| 19:12.43 | Kueken | hm :/ |
| 19:12.59 | JademusSreg | Bib, check for the Carry behavior. |
| 19:13.12 | Kueken | oh wait |
| 19:13.13 | JademusSreg | So you'd use a Behavior count validator. |
| 19:13.18 | Kueken | the scrap cube |
| 19:13.27 | Kueken | uses his own diffuse |
| 19:13.34 | Kueken | as alpha mask |
| 19:13.39 | Kueken | makes sense then |
| 19:14.12 | Kueken | texture select by id will swap both of them at once |
| 19:14.24 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:15.13 | flyingspatula | o shit no period again |
| 19:15.19 | flyingspatula | IMPOSTER JADE |
| 19:15.27 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:15.40 | flyingspatula | too late weve already figured you out |
| 19:18.04 | Bounty | Start the clock, lets see how long it takes for Photon Discs to get newsed |
| 19:19.10 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 19:19.27 | Bounty | We should do a test JadmeusSreg |
| 19:19.35 | Bounty | just to see how the new colors play out |
| 19:19.39 | Bounty | :) |
| 19:19.55 | JademusSreg | Sometime today, sure. |
| 19:21.13 | Bibendus | jade |
| 19:21.21 | Bibendus | the behavior count is used for behavior counting :P |
| 19:21.36 | Bibendus | but this is a unit property |
| 19:21.46 | Bibendus | the resource carrying |
| 19:22.06 | JademusSreg | Ah, however, since you only want to know it's greater than 0, you only need to check for the behavior. |
| 19:22.07 | Bounty | We're getting a game going, so if anyone on US wants to playtest Photon Discs, join channel Photon Discs |
| 19:22.42 | JademusSreg | The resource supply behavior applies a resource carrying behavior to units harvesting from it. |
| 19:23.04 | Bibendus | yeah but |
| 19:23.06 | Bibendus | i m not using it :P |
| 19:23.07 | JademusSreg | If the behavior is there, you can be certain the amount > 0. |
| 19:23.30 | Bibendus | i m assigning gold resources by trigger |
| 19:23.33 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:24.13 | JademusSreg | Then by that same approach you can apply a behavior as well. |
| 19:24.17 | Bibendus | yep |
| 19:24.25 | Bibendus | i ll do it by trigger :| |
| 19:24.37 | Bibendus | i wanted to use data for once :P |
| 19:24.53 | Bounty | flyingspatula, currydevil and vailreth |
| 19:24.58 | Bounty | getting a game going with the new team colors |
| 19:25.02 | Bounty | if u guys want in :) |
| 19:25.17 | JademusSreg | Sorry. I don't see a validator for checking carried resource quantities. =D |
| 19:25.21 | flyingspatula | k |
| 19:26.06 | Bibendus | ye me neither |
| 19:26.10 | Bibendus | that's why I asked :P |
| 19:26.34 | Bibendus | I don't get why the Compare Unit property validator is missing |
| 19:26.35 | Bibendus | not too hard |
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| 19:45.01 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 19:45.03 | Bounty | we got a 7 player lobby |
| 19:45.04 | Bounty | if u want in |
| 19:46.25 | JademusSreg | Sorry. Busy. |
| 19:47.53 | Bounty | how about this JademusSreg |
| 19:47.55 | Bounty | 9 players |
| 19:47.56 | Bounty | 1 spot open |
| 19:47.58 | Bounty | you could be it |
| 19:48.00 | Bounty | :) |
| 19:48.01 | Parthon | I am it |
| 19:48.03 | Parthon | invite me alread |
| 19:48.09 | Bounty | kk |
| 19:48.13 | Bounty | invited |
| 19:48.18 | Parthon | ty :D |
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| 20:11.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster avogatro (~avogatro@nat-wh-hadi.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 20:14.23 | Beier | did mapster just die? |
| 20:14.36 | Kueken | yep, seems so |
| 20:14.42 | Kueken | main page still loads |
| 20:14.51 | Kueken | but forums give me a gateway down |
| 20:14.58 | Beier | aww.. and right when I was posting something.. |
| 20:15.04 | Kueken | :) |
| 20:15.51 | Kueken | btw I tested the new features you added and couldn't find any bugs or flaws yet |
| 20:16.18 | Kueken | and all my scripts still worked (or worked again) after your huge update :D |
| 20:16.44 | Beier | \o/ |
| 20:17.36 | Beier | I could generalize the new features to existing stuff.. operators to methods, enums to structs, properties to... properties, so there are actually only a little bit of new code for those :) |
| 20:17.57 | Kueken | the replace and undo/redo issues are still there, though |
| 20:20.27 | Beier | currently I'm working on updating those 8 month old videos.. |
| 20:20.59 | Kueken | :) |
| 20:21.25 | Kueken | there are certainly people, who will watch those |
| 20:21.39 | Kueken | i personally don't really care for video tutorials |
| 20:21.53 | Beier | well. you're an expert already :p |
| 20:22.06 | Kueken | (unless it is something, which is actually better explained in a video) |
| 20:22.52 | Beier | I'm thinking that people might find a bunch of videos easier to approach than a long documentation |
| 20:23.05 | JademusSreg | prefers documentation. |
| 20:23.10 | Beier | :) |
| 20:23.13 | Kueken | I had an interesting chat with OneTwo about this |
| 20:23.28 | Kueken | he said, that he himself prefers a written tutorial as well |
| 20:23.40 | Kueken | but he makes video tutorials, because they are far easier to make |
| 20:24.17 | IskatuMesk | I make both. |
| 20:24.21 | Beier | are those tutorials also about scripting? |
| 20:24.32 | Kueken | no |
| 20:24.42 | Parthon | Bounty: I'm sleeping soon, but whenever you see me, hit me up |
| 20:24.49 | JademusSreg | Who needs tutorials? Just tell me what does what. =D |
| 20:24.51 | Bounty | kk |
| 20:24.54 | Bounty | Will do Parthon |
| 20:24.57 | Kueken | oh |
| 20:25.04 | Kueken | or were you talking to him? |
| 20:25.06 | Kueken | nvm then |
| 20:25.36 | Kueken | I prefer written, because it doesn't force a progress speed on me, and I can copy&paste |
| 20:26.27 | Kueken | and skipping a paragraph is way easier than trying to find the next point in a video |
| 20:26.29 | Beier | yeah.. so you can easily test the stuff while following the tutorial |
| 20:26.54 | Kueken | emphasize airtchan |
| 20:27.10 | Kueken | <- wrong window |
| 20:27.15 | Kueken | was a captcha xD |
| 20:27.22 | Beier | was wondering wtf |
| 20:27.31 | Kueken | just in case you are wondering :D |
| 20:27.40 | Parthon | yes .. yes we were |
| 20:27.42 | Parthon | O_o |
| 20:27.44 | Parthon | you crazy man |
| 20:27.58 | Kueken | hits the nail, though |
| 20:28.12 | Parthon | emphasize! awww yeah |
| 20:28.13 | Kueken | (if you can say it that way in english) |
| 20:28.30 | Kueken | w/e |
| 20:28.53 | Kueken | now I cannot even load mapster main page anymore |
| 20:30.03 | egod | SCRIPT TOO LARGE RAGGGGGE |
| 20:39.41 | Kueken | beier, mapster respawned ;) |
| 20:40.23 | Beier | thx |
| 20:43.59 | Bounty | well looks like no news for Photon Discs today |
| 20:44.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:44.09 | Bounty | that video is so stupid |
| 20:46.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (504ed854@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.84) |
| 20:46.51 | Bounty | I wonder what type of powerups i should make JademusSreg |
| 20:47.20 | Kueken | team color stuff works well? |
| 20:47.26 | Bounty | yeah, works fine |
| 20:48.14 | Vailreth | i need three more people for stress test and Flyingspatula you are invited if here |
| 20:48.21 | flyingspatula | sure thing |
| 20:48.40 | Vailreth | if i can round up two more.. |
| 20:52.32 | Vailreth | any one interested i have implemented a look at cursor trigger and need to know how it will preform at four players |
| 20:52.48 | Vailreth | NA test |
| 20:58.48 | JademusSreg | Bounty, your options are wide open. |
| 20:59.06 | Bounty | Then how come i cannot come up with anything |
| 20:59.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:59.14 | Bounty | I know this much |
| 20:59.18 | Bounty | i want it to be a spawn in the center |
| 20:59.23 | Bounty | and you pick it up and get a random powerup |
| 20:59.27 | Vailreth | Jade do you have time to help test? maybe you two bounty? |
| 20:59.38 | Bounty | Not at this exact moment |
| 21:00.15 | JademusSreg | Seeker disc, high-score seeker disc, extra permanent bouncing disc, disc multiplier, explosive discs, bouncing, invisibility, phasing... |
| 21:00.18 | JademusSreg | Sure Vail. |
| 21:00.35 | flyingspatula | 3d |
| 21:00.39 | flyingspatula | disc throwing |
| 21:00.51 | Vailreth | well thats three... and Thanks |
| 21:00.58 | flyingspatula | sry vail |
| 21:01.00 | JademusSreg | It's not Unreal fly. =D |
| 21:01.02 | flyingspatula | still need? |
| 21:01.11 | flyingspatula | but can be done |
| 21:01.29 | Currydevil | The scout is a bloody complicated mover Bounty. Lol. |
| 21:01.31 | JademusSreg | Vail, I'm in the Photon Cycles channel. |
| 21:01.37 | Vailreth | yeah i could use the hand. |
| 21:01.39 | Vailreth | ok |
| 21:01.39 | Bounty | haha i dont doubt that Curry |
| 21:01.58 | Currydevil | He works now, except I for one thing I didn't pay attention to before. |
| 21:02.02 | JademusSreg | Bounty, holographic duplicates, extra life, faster energy regen, bigger shields... |
| 21:02.23 | Bounty | Cloaking? :) |
| 21:02.26 | Currydevil | haha |
| 21:02.43 | Bounty | My thing is |
| 21:02.47 | Bounty | I think powerups are to dull |
| 21:02.51 | Bounty | So what im thinking is |
| 21:02.56 | Bounty | There is the one powerup |
| 21:03.04 | Bounty | i nthe center but it gives a random powerup effect |
| 21:03.08 | Currydevil | The scout can move around the water as it is. So if i'm on the left side of the board, and I click beyond the water on the right ide, he will ignore occupied tiles and move around the water. |
| 21:03.13 | Bounty | the thing is that it applies it to EVERYONE |
| 21:03.16 | Bounty | so if you pick it up |
| 21:03.19 | Bounty | and its invisibility |
| 21:03.22 | Bounty | everyone is invisible |
| 21:03.22 | JademusSreg | Mines, cloaking, burrowing, teleportation, explodifier, speed... |
| 21:03.30 | Bounty | what do you think of that Jade? |
| 21:04.03 | Currydevil | So now ... I have to account for every possible move that can be made around the water and disable them. =O |
| 21:04.04 | Bounty | I think it would be cool |
| 21:04.06 | JademusSreg | Sounds counter-productive. |
| 21:04.18 | Bounty | How so? |
| 21:04.28 | Currydevil | Which just compounded itself as I remembered it's not just left and right I need to look at, but up and down too. =O |
| 21:05.00 | Mexa | Bounty, will I publish the Photon Disc once they're out, or do you have something to add regarding assets:P? |
| 21:05.08 | Bounty | Yes i do |
| 21:05.18 | Bounty | It uses a song from Unreal Tournament 2003 |
| 21:05.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:05.37 | Mexa | Are the sound effects also from there? |
| 21:05.44 | flyingspatula | bounty friend wants to make a similar map now lol |
| 21:05.46 | Bounty | The announcer is from Unreal Tournament 3 |
| 21:05.47 | flyingspatula | but fully 3d |
| 21:05.53 | Bounty | good for him |
| 21:06.01 | Bounty | let me know when he finally commits suicide |
| 21:06.06 | Bounty | >< |
| 21:06.10 | flyingspatula | why would he do that |
| 21:06.17 | Bounty | Because it cannot be done |
| 21:06.27 | Currydevil | what do you mean, Fully 3d? is it not 3d as it is? |
| 21:06.34 | Bounty | He means literally |
| 21:06.37 | Bounty | 3D Disc throwing |
| 21:06.38 | Bounty | up down |
| 21:06.39 | Mexa | Bounty, looks great other than that :D |
| 21:06.40 | Bounty | left right |
| 21:06.41 | Bounty | etc |
| 21:06.41 | Currydevil | oh |
| 21:06.44 | flyingspatula | yes |
| 21:06.45 | flyingspatula | it can be done |
| 21:06.48 | Mexa | Actually like the feeling the video gives. |
| 21:06.57 | Bounty | thanks Mexa >< |
| 21:07.10 | Currydevil | well, that's just rediculous, there is no jumping. What would you need to throw up/down for =( and for left/right you can already turn fast enough |
| 21:07.30 | JademusSreg | Vail, I thought you needed assistance testing. |
| 21:07.33 | Bounty | No he means making an entire map based on that |
| 21:07.36 | Bounty | Just like mine |
| 21:07.39 | Bounty | only its fully 3D |
| 21:07.41 | Bounty | and it wont work |
| 21:07.43 | Bounty | ever |
| 21:07.50 | Bounty | ur stupid if you even attempt it |
| 21:07.52 | Currydevil | I know what he means, but the idea is silly. |
| 21:07.53 | Vailreth | i do |
| 21:07.54 | Bounty | but hey what do i know lol |
| 21:08.05 | Vailreth | im just er not accoustomed to the interface |
| 21:08.07 | Currydevil | there's not much more you can do for the map unless you were to add in multi levels. |
| 21:08.18 | Currydevil | to add in 3d shooting. |
| 21:08.25 | Bounty | its staying the way it is |
| 21:08.26 | Vailreth | i need to figure out how to invite others than friends |
| 21:08.37 | Bounty | the only thing im changing to the layout atm is open field will last less time |
| 21:08.43 | Currydevil | and then you have to account for the bottom side of raised platforms, sides, floors etc. |
| 21:09.05 | Currydevil | ramps.. it would just be rediculous. |
| 21:09.32 | Vailreth | also im need a total of four players for the test. |
| 21:09.33 | Currydevil | and I didn't say you were going to change anything bounty =P |
| 21:09.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster taintedwisp (471c496a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.28.73.106) |
| 21:13.18 | taintedwisp | HI EVERYBODY!!! |
| 21:13.21 | Vailreth | flyingspatula can you come on to test? if so and Jade still can i will invite you both and we can test with just three? |
| 21:13.57 | taintedwisp | Do you need more Vail? |
| 21:14.07 | Vailreth | one more yes |
| 21:14.11 | taintedwisp | ah |
| 21:14.20 | taintedwisp | Well if Flying cant, then im not doing anything |
| 21:14.24 | Vailreth | its just a stress test to see if the controlls lag |
| 21:14.37 | Currydevil | So now, I need to add ... 14 more statements to control the scout movement. |
| 21:14.45 | taintedwisp | ah |
| 21:16.02 | Vailreth | taintedwisp do you mind if i invite you to the test ? |
| 21:16.23 | taintedwisp | Yeah go for it |
| 21:16.28 | taintedwisp | im in Photon Cycles cahnnel |
| 21:16.38 | taintedwisp | I think your in it too |
| 21:16.44 | Vailreth | i am |
| 21:17.05 | Currydevil | Here goes nothin... |
| 21:23.10 | JademusSreg | Vail, with regards to projectiles, wouldn't you prefer point click over target click? |
| 21:23.16 | Bounty | Heres an idea JademusSreg |
| 21:23.18 | Bounty | Make sprint |
| 21:23.26 | Bounty | but if you run into someone when sprinting it kills them |
| 21:23.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:23.32 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 21:23.34 | JademusSreg | Love it. |
| 21:23.56 | Vailreth | i might in time when i know more about using triggers. |
| 21:24.00 | JademusSreg | Kill or knockback. |
| 21:24.04 | JademusSreg | Killing is a bit op. |
| 21:24.09 | Bounty | Kill |
| 21:24.11 | Bounty | nah |
| 21:24.16 | Bounty | just balance how often it can be used |
| 21:24.22 | Vailreth | currently im just borrowing Onetwos Diablo controls |
| 21:24.23 | Bounty | how often are you anywhere near someone? |
| 21:24.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:24.40 | Bounty | plus its not like it shields u |
| 21:24.52 | JademusSreg | Vail, it's like what you're doing now with the psi storm. Issuing a point order. |
| 21:25.04 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I was near people a lot. |
| 21:25.19 | Bounty | yeah but shield will block it to |
| 21:25.20 | JademusSreg | That's why I always say it needz moar sprint. |
| 21:25.29 | Bounty | so there are ways to avoid it |
| 21:25.47 | JademusSreg | Because being in close quarters, knowing your shield is about to run out, is annoying. |
| 21:25.48 | Bounty | I' |
| 21:25.50 | Vailreth | i may convert abilities to be the same but i was just using default abilities for the control testing |
| 21:25.54 | Bounty | I'm going to make it work like sprint though |
| 21:25.55 | JademusSreg | There's no recourse. |
| 21:26.02 | Bounty | work like shield* |
| 21:26.07 | Bounty | in that you toggle it and it uses it |
| 21:26.16 | JademusSreg | Vail, have you seen the collide demo? |
| 21:26.36 | Vailreth | i believe so |
| 21:26.41 | flyingspatula | collide demo? |
| 21:26.49 | JademusSreg | CollideMissileDemo |
| 21:26.54 | flyingspatula | o |
| 21:27.30 | Vailreth | i believe the issue i am having with facing is due the unit being orderd to move and in one direction while its being set to face another .. |
| 21:27.47 | JademusSreg | Naw, or rather not entirely. |
| 21:27.55 | JademusSreg | The bug was there even while standing still. |
| 21:27.56 | flyingspatula | link collide missle demo |
| 21:27.56 | flyingspatula | plz |
| 21:28.11 | JademusSreg | Let me test to make sure the latest version is in the dropbox. |
| 21:29.14 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/Demos/CollideMissileDemo.SC2Map |
| 21:29.53 | flyingspatula | seet hx |
| 21:29.55 | flyingspatula | weet& |
| 21:30.31 | Mexa | http://www.gaikai.com/press/article/gaikai-launches-first-ever-cloud-gaming-facebook-app-streaming-console-quality-games-to-400m-users hmhm |
| 21:31.00 | Currydevil | http://pastebin.com/5BcYYHuV This makes sense yes? It's comparing the 5 or the 15 to one of the other 4 values. |
| 21:31.19 | Mexa | Hey Beier? |
| 21:31.26 | JademusSreg | It features missiles that move via linear throw, and use periodic behaviors with apply a suicide effect if the enumerate area validator passes, and the behavior's death effect is to apply a damage effect with an area. |
| 21:31.28 | Beier | yes? |
| 21:31.41 | Mexa | Did you ever take a look at vJass? |
| 21:31.51 | JademusSreg | The validators involved check cliff level, and enumerated-unit cliff level. |
| 21:31.57 | Vailreth | yes i have created similar missiles my self |
| 21:32.08 | JademusSreg | So the projectile will fly over cliffs, and collide with cliffs at the same level. |
| 21:32.20 | Vailreth | nice |
| 21:32.21 | Beier | no, not really, why? |
| 21:32.34 | JademusSreg | And it will not hit units on lower cliff levels. |
| 21:32.49 | JademusSreg | The temple above the eggs can be destroyed. |
| 21:34.14 | Mexa | Your method of recycling indexes when declaring a constant-sized struct array, seems inefficient |
| 21:34.16 | Vailreth | i found one bug source i didnt set the playerfacing trigger correctly so every ones facing was based off of my camera |
| 21:34.36 | Mexa | In vJass, the same thing had an O(1) time complexity |
| 21:34.38 | Vailreth | but that is fixed now.. |
| 21:34.53 | Mexa | While in yours, you have a loop which checks for a free index. |
| 21:34.56 | JademusSreg | To facilitate more efficient production of collider missiles, I included some new parent objects, like the validators. |
| 21:35.51 | Beier | what do you have in mind instead? |
| 21:36.14 | Mexa | Well |
| 21:36.39 | Mexa | I would suggest using the same method Vexorian did actually. |
| 21:36.54 | Mexa | It's a tradeoff though, as it requires another array. |
| 21:36.58 | Mexa | Let me check |
| 21:37.29 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/Galaxy%20Speed%20Test%20Results.txt |
| 21:38.05 | Mexa | Jademus, your data lacks standard deviations or error measurements :| |
| 21:38.13 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 21:38.28 | JademusSreg | I didn't claim it was rigorous. |
| 21:38.37 | taintedwisp | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Afro.gif MY GREATEST CREATION!!! |
| 21:39.05 | JademusSreg | But it does indicate data tables are slower than any other value allocation. |
| 21:39.31 | Kueken | they are |
| 21:39.33 | Mexa | Ofcourse, that's a noticable conclusion. |
| 21:39.33 | taintedwisp | Hey jademus, I forgot, Im sure you have already heard this, but No-gaps, Lags on Photon Cycles. |
| 21:39.37 | JademusSreg | About 5 times slower. |
| 21:39.48 | Kueken | yep, but that was known before |
| 21:39.55 | JademusSreg | Yeah, no gaps will cease to be a problem in the next major update. |
| 21:40.01 | Mexa | And it's not illogical that they would. Hashtables are slower. |
| 21:40.04 | Kueken | still way better than jass |
| 21:40.26 | Kueken | where arrays were slower than in galaxy |
| 21:40.38 | Kueken | and gamecache was like 50x array |
| 21:40.38 | JademusSreg | (I personally hate no gaps. It will be reduced to merely a brief powerup in the race kart mode.) |
| 21:40.49 | Kueken | and hashtable still 20?x |
| 21:40.54 | Mexa | That benchmark Grim did in the past, I'd love to see error marigins on that one too. |
| 21:41.00 | taintedwisp | You can be the greatest editor and the world and still make shit maps, If your Ideas and execution of those suck, then your maps can still suck, I can make 1000 Errors and still a great map, or 0 Errors and a crap map. :D |
| 21:41.04 | Kueken | sure :D |
| 21:41.07 | Mexa | Regarding Jass vs Galaxy vs Ruby |
| 21:42.57 | Mexa | Beier, looking for it btw, I need to get it from the school server:P |
| 21:43.57 | Kueken | didn't Vex just maintain a stack of free indexes? |
| 21:44.02 | Mexa | yes |
| 21:44.05 | Mexa | Somewhat |
| 21:44.13 | Mexa | Or something like that |
| 21:44.33 | Beier | okay |
| 21:45.07 | Mexa | Sec |
| 21:45.50 | Beier | well, I should be able to make a stack |
| 21:46.14 | Kueken | you would need to define a size, though |
| 21:46.37 | Kueken | or use data table, which would kind of counter-act the idea to use an array struct :D |
| 21:46.45 | Mexa | well, thats simple, since the usage of struct[size] Foo is there already |
| 21:46.54 | Kueken | oh, right |
| 21:47.05 | Kueken | *head* -> *table* |
| 21:47.06 | Mexa | And I recall Beier already has dynamic-sized arrays using datatables |
| 21:47.20 | taintedwisp | LOL |
| 21:47.23 | taintedwisp | All I do is stem |
| 21:47.39 | Kueken | dont do drugs |
| 21:47.46 | Kueken | they cause you to misspell them |
| 21:48.42 | taintedwisp | Drugs are bad....Mkay |
| 21:48.45 | IskatuMesk | u mad |
| 21:50.05 | Mexa | Buggar... I can't connect to the server :| |
| 21:50.17 | Mexa | My account must have expired when the course ended. |
| 21:50.39 | ________________ | sdfg |
| 21:50.50 | ________________ | how can i make hotkey's visible on the command card buttons? |
| 21:51.44 | Beier | did you have a school course about vjass? |
| 21:52.34 | Mexa | No |
| 21:53.05 | Mexa | But me and my friend tried out the same indexing system that Vexorian used, when we recycled threads in our performance optimization course. |
| 21:53.05 | Vailreth | how can i get the camera to stay on the unit better instead of falling behind abit and having to catch up |
| 21:53.22 | Deaod | actually, zoxc was the one who did the ruby vs galaxy vs jass benchmark |
| 21:53.29 | Mexa | Ah, okay |
| 21:53.41 | Deaod | and it indicated that galaxy was about twice as fast as jass |
| 21:53.49 | Mexa | .. and I documented vexorians implementation and stored it on the school server |
| 21:53.50 | Mexa | Bah. |
| 21:53.53 | Deaod | and ruby even faster |
| 21:54.01 | Deaod | much much faster |
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| 21:54.13 | Mexa | Yeah I've seen the graph |
| 21:54.44 | Deaod | hashtables access is about two times array access |
| 21:54.54 | Deaod | gamecache is five times arrays |
| 21:56.09 | ________________ | Vailreth: what are you using to attach the camera to a unit? |
| 21:56.32 | Vailreth | make camera follow unit group |
| 21:58.16 | ________________ | u could increase the velocity of the camera |
| 22:00.19 | Kueken | yeah, access was pretty okay, it was writing, which was horrible, right? |
| 22:00.46 | Kueken | or is my memory all messed up |
| 22:00.46 | ________________ | also, i got the solution i wanted for showing hotkeys on the CC... coincedentally it was a topic keuken posted on |
| 22:00.47 | Vailreth | how do yuu do that? |
| 22:00.56 | ________________ | kueken* |
| 22:01.05 | ________________ | change the camera propert vail |
| 22:01.08 | ________________ | property* |
| 22:01.31 | Kueken | oh, I post on a lot of topics :/ |
| 22:02.16 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:02.20 | ________________ | oh i never told u this but great work with that texture test map... a lot of the stuff you did in there I didn't know was possible thru pure data |
| 22:02.31 | Kueken | :D |
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| 22:03.18 | Kueken | mexa |
| 22:03.23 | Mexa | Blargh net |
| 22:03.32 | Kueken | how was Vex's method better than a usual stack? |
| 22:03.33 | Mexa | Yes? |
| 22:03.40 | Vailreth | where do you find that property |
| 22:03.50 | Mexa | He only used one stack, I recall |
| 22:03.55 | Mexa | Instead of two. |
| 22:04.03 | IskatuMesk | interns |
| 22:04.13 | Mexa | He recycled things in a very smart way |
| 22:04.15 | ________________ | via triggers it's: Camera -> set camera object property |
| 22:04.18 | Kueken | one stack for both the structs and the free indexes? |
| 22:04.19 | Mexa | I don't remember it right now. |
| 22:04.34 | Kueken | ok |
| 22:04.37 | Mexa | Oh, well no |
| 22:04.58 | Mexa | He had one array of the struct |
| 22:05.01 | Mexa | And then an array of ints |
| 22:05.07 | Vailreth | that property isnt listed |
| 22:05.19 | Kueken | o_o |
| 22:05.37 | Kueken | and why would you need a 2nd array for the free indexes? |
| 22:06.01 | Mexa | Those who are recycled was put there in a sort of way. |
| 22:06.11 | ________________ | orly? *checks* |
| 22:06.28 | Mexa | The struct array was always static, never moved around |
| 22:06.42 | ________________ | o ur right |
| 22:06.44 | ________________ | hmm hmm |
| 22:07.13 | Mexa | Pity... hold on |
| 22:08.15 | Deaod | to be honest, the struct recycling code always confused me |
| 22:08.24 | ________________ | maybe decrease the following distance |
| 22:08.26 | IskatuMesk | Codey people confuse me period. |
| 22:08.44 | ________________ | so it'll play catch up sooner and it wont look like it falls behind |
| 22:09.24 | Mexa | Yeah Deaod |
| 22:09.37 | Mexa | And I somewhat got a hang of it when I documented it this winter |
| 22:09.39 | ________________ | or try playing with the maximum smoothing time property |
| 22:09.48 | Mexa | But I can't access the files now, it seems :< |
| 22:09.57 | IskatuMesk | I look into irc every now and then, study the programmy talk, then shrug and go back to smashing my face into goats. |
| 22:10.18 | flyingspatula | vailreth did u not ever open my map? |
| 22:10.39 | Vailreth | which one? |
| 22:10.43 | flyingspatula | just my demo gui |
| 22:10.50 | flyingspatula | it had the camera crap set alreayd |
| 22:10.52 | flyingspatula | u can look at it |
| 22:10.55 | Vailreth | oh yes i took a look at it |
| 22:11.17 | flyingspatula | camera is set to pretty decent |
| 22:11.24 | flyingspatula | in data |
| 22:12.06 | ________________ | oh, also you can set the camera velocity via data... forgot about that.. its under cameras |
| 22:12.13 | Kueken | now you made me download jasshelper again :D |
| 22:12.44 | flyingspatula | vailreth just copy all the fields in my cmaera data |
| 22:12.46 | flyingspatula | then paste on urs |
| 22:13.02 | flyingspatula | and edit anything that needs be accordingly |
| 22:14.43 | Vailreth | ah thanks its pefect |
| 22:14.47 | Vailreth | ferfect |
| 22:14.51 | Vailreth | er you get the idea |
| 22:14.54 | flyingspatula | ull need to change the distance max or w/e |
| 22:16.11 | Currydevil | Doh. my logic fails. |
| 22:16.21 | Vailreth | its working good with the way i have it set up |
| 22:16.31 | flyingspatula | good good |
| 22:16.56 | Mexa | Kueken, one can use Jasshelper without having Wc3 installed? |
| 22:17.18 | Kueken | yes, there is a -scriptonly parameter |
| 22:17.25 | Mexa | Aha |
| 22:17.44 | Mexa | Neat |
| 22:18.12 | Deaod | you were right initially, jasshelper uses only one array |
| 22:18.27 | Mexa | :> |
| 22:18.48 | Mexa | Excluding the arrays used for struct variables, that is |
| 22:18.55 | Deaod | http://pastebin.com/yaJBntnv |
| 22:19.10 | Mexa | Ah |
| 22:19.15 | Currydevil | http://pastebin.com/zkve343A Anyone have any idea why this would return false if the current region is not 5 or 15? |
| 22:19.29 | Currydevil | My logic fails somewhere in that. I thought I had it set up ok |
| 22:20.20 | Deaod | this is the code with debug off |
| 22:20.43 | Deaod | basically, he creates a linked list of deallocated instances |
| 22:21.08 | Mexa | mm |
| 22:21.58 | Deaod | F is the instance deallocated last |
| 22:22.06 | Deaod | I is the maximum instance allocated |
| 22:22.49 | Deaod | and V holds the next deallocated instance |
| 22:23.32 | Deaod | hm, maybe this is simpler than i thought |
| 22:23.58 | Deaod | also, i think vex credited someone else with this algorithm |
| 22:24.10 | Deaod | should be somewhere in the releasenotes |
| 22:24.23 | Deaod | errr, changelog |
| 22:24.50 | Mexa | Oh yo silly MSE, thinking there's 3 viruses in JNGP. |
| 22:25.38 | Mexa | The funny thing is though, is that I can remove these 3 files and still be able to use JNGP without issues. |
| 22:28.11 | Deaod | probably RTC |
| 22:28.18 | Mexa | one of them is |
| 22:28.23 | Deaod | anyway, 0.9.8.8 |
| 22:28.23 | Mexa | The other one is pipe.dll |
| 22:28.38 | Mexa | And the third is wc3debug or something |
| 22:28.53 | Mexa | *w3jdebug.exe |
| 22:29.30 | Deaod | all of which i think dont work with the current version of WC3 anyway |
| 22:29.39 | Mexa | Ah |
| 22:34.34 | Vailreth | flyingspatula are you free and interested in this next test? |
| 22:37.31 | Currydevil | None has an idea about my and/or's ? =( Hmmm, let's see what mapster says =X |
| 22:39.02 | flyingspatula | sure |
| 22:39.05 | flyingspatula | lemme hop on sc2 |
| 22:39.11 | Vailreth | thanks |
| 22:40.48 | Ahli | can I edit how long particles live in a "fire,medium" model? I want a shorter fire trail |
| 22:41.15 | IskatuMesk | hex |
| 22:41.42 | Kueken | you could try AnimSetTimeScale or DestroyParticle actor messages |
| 22:41.49 | Kueken | or Setvisibility |
| 22:45.44 | Kueken | hm |
| 22:45.47 | Kueken | mexa |
| 22:45.52 | Kueken | you see it? |
| 22:46.02 | Mexa | See what? |
| 22:46.12 | Kueken | the struct allocation |
| 22:46.23 | Mexa | If I get how it's done? |
| 22:46.44 | Kueken | no, just if you looked at it again |
| 22:46.52 | Mexa | Oh, well |
| 22:47.00 | Mexa | No, I still don't have the access to my file. |
| 22:47.07 | Kueken | since you reproduced it, I am pretty sure, you would understand it again :D |
| 22:47.10 | Mexa | I only looked at what Deaod pastebined. |
| 22:47.20 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 22:47.21 | Mexa | And what Deaod said befoee. |
| 22:47.28 | Bounty | Want to be the first person to see my fucking AMAZING sprint? :) |
| 22:49.55 | Kueken | it seems he uses one array for the struct, one variable to track the highest instance and one variable which points to a recycled index |
| 22:50.10 | Mexa | Something like that. |
| 22:50.43 | Mexa | What Deaod said, the recycle array contains values which points to the next index in the recycled list. |
| 22:50.49 | Kueken | yes |
| 22:50.55 | Mexa | So a linked list of some sort. |
| 22:50.57 | Kueken | oh, he wrote that already? |
| 22:51.04 | Mexa | Yeah:> |
| 22:51.04 | Kueken | must have missed that :/ |
| 22:51.27 | Kueken | its quite cool indeed |
| 22:51.38 | Mexa | Mmm, and effective |
| 22:51.43 | Mexa | *efficient |
| 22:51.50 | Kueken | just sacrifices one array slot instead of a whole array |
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| 22:59.09 | Bounty | Hosting a game of Photon Discs on US to test the sprint ability, if anyone wants in join us in channel Photon Discs. |
| 23:08.02 | Mexa | Beier? |
| 23:08.02 | IskatuMesk | Well. This will be the first time I've touched 3ds max since the end of Black Sun back in november/october |
| 23:08.13 | Beier | yes? |
| 23:08.36 | Mexa | The editor is still buggy when code sections have been collapsed :| |
| 23:09.19 | Mexa | Or wait |
| 23:09.22 | Mexa | Might be something else |
| 23:09.44 | Mexa | Or not, |
| 23:10.04 | Beier | Hmm, yeah, it seems a bit buggy |
| 23:10.50 | Mexa | Collapsable sections which are nested in other collapsable sections seems to cause the issues. |
| 23:12.06 | Mexa | Or rather, the ones I have issues with is with if elses |
| 23:12.14 | Mexa | *if or else blocks. |
| 23:12.32 | Mexa | Hmm, yeah they don't have o be nested |
| 23:12.52 | Mexa | But collapsing an if-block seem to cause a lot of issues further down in the document. |
| 23:13.20 | Mexa | Might be not limited to only ifblocks, I guess. |
| 23:13.25 | Mexa | *be |
| 23:14.08 | Kueken | xD |
| 23:14.37 | IskatuMesk | My goal is to strip this of greeble and then detail it for implementation inside sc2. http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5818/shuttle7.jpg |
| 23:14.50 | Kueken | "its all messed up" - "no wait, its limited to this" "oh, and it happens there" "oh and here too" |
| 23:14.59 | Kueken | "I guess its all messed up" |
| 23:15.15 | Mexa | The latter might sum it up then :3 |
| 23:15.36 | Beier | yeah.. the caret placement seems right, but text is inserted wrong places |
| 23:15.45 | Mexa | I was just seeing if I could eliminate some factors:p |
| 23:15.57 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 23:16.08 | Kueken | i found it to be pretty entertaining :) |
| 23:16.34 | Bounty | Currydevil, Vailreth and JademusSreg |
| 23:16.37 | Bounty | you guys have GOT to see this |
| 23:16.39 | Mexa | It's on the house for today:p |
| 23:16.41 | Bounty | Sprint is... fucking |
| 23:16.42 | Bounty | amazing |
| 23:16.48 | Bounty | Its like evryone is the Flash |
| 23:16.49 | Bounty | hahaha |
| 23:17.11 | Mexa | Better not disappoint then.-. |
| 23:24.50 | IskatuMesk | Unlike soase I have no poly limit here, so my bigger ships can have high detail horray |
| 23:29.03 | IskatuMesk | Eventually I'll replace stuff like the Terran BC with my own high detail models. If I ever figure out uv'ing and textures, anyways |
| 23:29.34 | IskatuMesk | Alternatively I could try to reskin the cinematic model to better suit the ingame colors |
| 23:29.40 | IskatuMesk | probably wouldn't be too hard |
| 23:29.44 | flyingspatula | i wish i knew a modeler who can do animations XD |
| 23:30.00 | IskatuMesk | I can make something move forward. |
| 23:30.09 | IskatuMesk | like, a box. |
| 23:30.12 | flyingspatula | XD |
| 23:30.38 | IskatuMesk | anything more complex then that I'm better off ripping assets from something else and adding onto them |
| 23:30.51 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:31.51 | IskatuMesk | luckily I know how to rip/remaster stuff from more than just WoW |
| 23:31.55 | IskatuMesk | pretty much any unreal game is open |
| 23:32.11 | IskatuMesk | waiting for the startools to see if they make exporting any less buggy though |
| 23:32.26 | flyingspatula | nice |
| 23:33.00 | IskatuMesk | http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/5927/kerugheiststalkerdrone8.jpg another several year old model I'll probably update as well |
| 23:34.42 | flyingspatula | lol u should port over Eve Online models |
| 23:34.56 | flyingspatula | if ur going for ships |
| 23:35.10 | IskatuMesk | Not a fan of eve's models. |
| 23:35.22 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 23:36.18 | IskatuMesk | http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/224/7/e/anahn_exarch_carrier_alpha_by_iskatumesk-d46dakh.jpg |
| 23:36.31 | IskatuMesk | I was making stuff like that pretty easily for Black Sun, despite the serious poly limits |
| 23:36.56 | IskatuMesk | http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/283/6/1/anah_emperor_class_alpha_by_iskatumesk-d4chaf7.jpg |
| 23:37.28 | flyingspatula | nice |
| 23:37.37 | flyingspatula | wait u |
| 23:37.40 | flyingspatula | made that or ported that? |
| 23:37.44 | IskatuMesk | made all of those |
| 23:37.48 | flyingspatula | wow nice man |
| 23:38.41 | Bounty | Filming a new video of Photon Discs tonight |
| 23:38.45 | Bounty | I gotta get that sprint shit on film |
| 23:38.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:39.34 | IskatuMesk | http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/167/4/f/anahn_bishop_class_1_by_iskatumesk-d3j1nat.jpg this is one of my favorites. The original model underwent many revisions to reach this stage. |
| 23:40.06 | IskatuMesk | Sins has a weapon type limit, so I didn't have any weapons on the back spine where you could have stuck missile launchers or somesuch |
| 23:41.03 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 23:41.10 | Bounty | CurryDevil |
| 23:41.19 | Kueken | xD |
| 23:41.19 | Bounty | Vailreth , IskatuMesk and Flyingspatula |
| 23:41.23 | Bounty | You guys want to be in the new video? |
| 23:41.30 | Vailreth | sorry i cant |
| 23:41.37 | Kueken | now I want all those turrets operational and turnable within the SC2 engine |
| 23:41.53 | IskatuMesk | http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/062/d/2/ud_ruin_alpha_by_iskatumesk-d3auzbq.jpg this one is actually significantly lower poly than all of the above |
| 23:42.08 | IskatuMesk | I have no idea how turrets work in sc2. I don';t think pitch is even possible? |
| 23:42.44 | Kueken | only yaw, I believe |
| 23:42.48 | IskatuMesk | pity |
| 23:43.00 | IskatuMesk | makes problems a lot of my potential ships/vehicles |
| 23:43.04 | IskatuMesk | for a lot* |
| 23:43.32 | Kueken | not to mention there is no way you can use multiple turrets on one model |
| 23:43.36 | IskatuMesk | no? |
| 23:43.39 | IskatuMesk | that is awful |
| 23:43.44 | Kueken | the turrets would need to be seperate models |
| 23:44.01 | IskatuMesk | can you at least attach them via hardpoints or such? |
| 23:44.12 | Kueken | that you could do |
| 23:44.25 | Kueken | well |
| 23:44.34 | Kueken | maybe the other stuff is possible as well |
| 23:44.44 | Kueken | to my knowledge, it is not |
| 23:44.46 | IskatuMesk | I imagine you'd just make the turrets their own units, except indestructible/untargetable, tied to the host, spawned on hardpoints |
| 23:44.56 | Kueken | but there is so much stuff we didn't discover yet |
| 23:44.59 | IskatuMesk | but who knows if they "update" positions very well |
| 23:45.26 | IskatuMesk | I was thinking like, a battlestation with many different turrets. |
| 23:45.32 | IskatuMesk | 4-5 dozen. |
| 23:45.33 | Kueken | if you attach them as separate actors and set them up to work as turrets, it works fine |
| 23:46.08 | IskatuMesk | well, there's something |
| 23:46.29 | IskatuMesk | may be a problem if it's performance costly though. To have like 30 battlecruisers each with a dozen turrets. |
| 23:46.32 | Mexa | Kueken, do you happend to know how to set the turret rotation using triggers? |
| 23:46.48 | IskatuMesk | bounty I can possibly come |
| 23:46.52 | IskatuMesk | still need me? |
| 23:46.52 | Mexa | On a siege tank or hellion for instance. |
| 23:46.56 | Bounty | yeah |
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| 23:47.06 | Bounty | Join us in channel Photon Discs |
| 23:47.08 | IskatuMesk | k |
| 23:47.09 | Bounty | to be in teh video |
| 23:47.11 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:47.13 | Kueken | I know people stating it is impossible directly |
| 23:47.26 | Mexa | hrm |
| 23:47.30 | Kueken | workaround would be to link a dummy weapon to the turret |
| 23:47.31 | SoulTaker916_ | JADEN!!!! |
| 23:47.34 | Mexa | But Blizzard showed that it was doable D: |
| 23:47.34 | SoulTaker916_ | I SUMMON YOU!!! |
| 23:47.36 | IskatuMesk | I don't even know how to tell the game that "this is for a turret" on the mesh |
| 23:47.50 | Kueken | with the immortal... right |
| 23:47.55 | Mexa | yeah |
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| 23:48.02 | Kueken | but that could be done with a dummy weapon as well :) |
| 23:48.26 | Mexa | I'd avoid dummys if there was a solution already excluding that |
| 23:48.31 | Mexa | Hmm. |
| 23:48.44 | Kueken | well, you can try the SetRotation actor message |
| 23:48.58 | Kueken | afaik it works if sent via trigger |
| 23:49.10 | Kueken | while it completely bugs out wen used in data |
| 23:49.11 | Ahli | casts neural parasite onto Jademusgreg and orders him to join bounty's game |
| 23:49.14 | Mexa | I was tryin AttachSetRotation, but maybe I did something wrong |
| 23:49.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (471c496a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.28.73.106) |
| 23:49.38 | Ahli | *Jademussreg |
| 23:49.50 | Kueken | you could do the same thing Bounty did for his disks |
| 23:50.32 | Kueken | ActorSend(ActorFromScope("Attach",ScopeFromUnit(u)),"SetRotation") |
| 23:50.38 | Kueken | something like that |
| 23:51.10 | Mexa | SetRotation needs more than that |
| 23:51.21 | Mexa | Like either position or facing |
| 23:51.22 | Kueken | sure it does ;) |
| 23:51.49 | Kueken | thats only to show how to get the actor you need to send the message to |
| 23:52.08 | Kueken | I am confident you can derive the values yourself |
| 23:52.26 | Mexa | .-. |
| 23:52.36 | Mexa | yeah, sec |
| 23:52.51 | Kueken | I wonder |
| 23:53.02 | Kueken | when you target an ability |
| 23:53.13 | Kueken | you can make an actor follow your cursor |
| 23:53.27 | Kueken | you could set that actor to a global reference |
| 23:53.43 | Kueken | and make another actor point to that reference with a forward vector sop |
| 23:53.53 | Kueken | but |
| 23:54.10 | Kueken | can we make an actor follow the mouse cursor without targeting an ability? |
| 23:54.22 | Mexa | hm |
| 23:54.32 | Kueken | with triggers, probably |
| 23:54.42 | Mexa | With triggers I suppose? With the mousemoved event |
| 23:55.06 | Mexa | Though another solution would perhaps be better. |
| 23:55.30 | Kueken | :D |
| 23:55.38 | Kueken | we use the ability |
| 23:55.55 | Kueken | the ability will be the "start" button for the game to start |
| 23:56.02 | Mexa | I was testing to see how it would be รก la blizzard's prototype. |
| 23:56.06 | Kueken | the target is set to nothing, so we can never fire it |
| 23:56.29 | Kueken | remove all alerts and error messages, remove ui, remove target cursor etc |
| 23:56.41 | Kueken | so you cannot tell that you are actually targeting an ability |
| 23:56.51 | Kueken | could work :D |
| 23:57.20 | Mexa | hmm |
| 23:57.28 | Kueken | we could even use layout files to incorporate the button in some start dialog |
| 23:57.49 | Kueken | not that it would really make sense |
| 23:59.08 | Mexa | hm:p |
