| 00:00.02 | Bounty | Thats the only way to do it |
| 00:00.07 | Rodrigo | no, its not |
| 00:00.08 | Bounty | Unless i've been living a lie? |
| 00:00.18 | Rodrigo | you are living a lie |
| 00:00.23 | Bounty | Does thy wang decieve me? |
| 00:00.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~repo@68.64.47.10) |
| 00:00.26 | flyingspatula | whats everyones obsession these days with being a virgin or not for social acceptance |
| 00:00.37 | Bounty | these days? |
| 00:00.40 | Bounty | Spatula |
| 00:00.41 | Rodrigo | being a virgin isn't bad |
| 00:00.45 | Bounty | this has gone on since the dawn of man |
| 00:00.48 | egod | i have lot of sex with different girl at jobs, dont tell my boss |
| 00:00.49 | Rodrigo | i wouldnt mind being one |
| 00:00.50 | Bounty | and it will always continue |
| 00:01.00 | Bounty | sure you do egod |
| 00:01.05 | Mexaling | egod, you told us that several times. |
| 00:01.10 | Bounty | you're a pro hacker |
| 00:01.11 | Bounty | you went to jail |
| 00:01.13 | Bounty | and fuck lots of women |
| 00:01.17 | Bounty | the story of egod |
| 00:01.23 | Bounty | a legend |
| 00:01.23 | egod | i didnt go to jail |
| 00:01.24 | egod | lol |
| 00:01.35 | Bounty | sorry, you got arrested by the feds |
| 00:01.36 | Rodrigo | bounty, have you never heard of the butterfly story? You don't go around trying to catch butterflies. You cultivate your garden and the butterfly will come. That's what I did. |
| 00:01.36 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 00:01.42 | egod | i played in a hollywood movie when i was young to |
| 00:02.00 | egod | you know what is Barney? |
| 00:02.00 | Bounty | No Rod |
| 00:02.00 | Bounty | that shit does not work |
| 00:02.12 | Bounty | such a myth |
| 00:02.19 | Rodrigo | that is the only thing that works. Otherwise, the day you release the butterfly, it will just run away from you |
| 00:02.28 | Bounty | um yeah |
| 00:02.30 | Bounty | thats what you want |
| 00:02.35 | egod | 120$ by days to play in barney The Great Advanture, 30 million budget movies failed |
| 00:02.35 | Bounty | in the early days |
| 00:02.50 | Bounty | its all about screwing tons of skanks and getting better |
| 00:02.52 | Rodrigo | the butterfly I captured is still in my heart, and it will always stay there. There's no need for any other girl. |
| 00:02.56 | Bounty | to by the time you settle down |
| 00:02.59 | Bounty | your a pro in the sack |
| 00:03.02 | Bounty | you're* |
| 00:03.10 | Bounty | god |
| 00:03.13 | Bounty | i really fucking hat eyou Rodrigo |
| 00:03.19 | Bounty | just for sayign what u just said |
| 00:03.24 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 00:03.25 | Bounty | that has to be the gayest shit ive ever heard |
| 00:03.31 | Rodrigo | I know you hate me. you said that like 100 times on the last 2 years |
| 00:03.37 | Bounty | no but now |
| 00:03.41 | Bounty | i hate your very being |
| 00:03.51 | flyingspatula | he hates mexcians |
| 00:03.54 | Rodrigo | why |
| 00:03.55 | Bounty | i do |
| 00:03.55 | Ahli | searches popcorn |
| 00:03.55 | Kueken | only 100 times in 2 years= |
| 00:03.57 | Kueken | ? |
| 00:04.01 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 00:04.02 | Kueken | he seems to really like you |
| 00:04.02 | Bounty | DEY TOOK ER JOBS! |
| 00:04.06 | Mexaling | Bounty, that sounds like a meaningful life. Getting around fucking girl in ever corner, who also seems to be the only skanks you've fucked. |
| 00:04.11 | Mexaling | or w/e |
| 00:04.18 | Rodrigo | thank you Mexaling |
| 00:04.18 | egod | anyone have a screenshot of this IRC channel in 2010? |
| 00:04.22 | Bounty | w/e |
| 00:04.29 | Bounty | if you say so mexa |
| 00:04.32 | Bounty | if you live like that |
| 00:04.36 | Bounty | you're living like the movies |
| 00:04.39 | Rodrigo | bounty hates me since sc2 was beta |
| 00:04.42 | Bounty | like fucking titanic |
| 00:04.42 | Mexaling | No |
| 00:04.44 | Bounty | it aint like that |
| 00:04.48 | Mexaling | I'm subjective, just like you |
| 00:04.52 | Bounty | and guess what |
| 00:04.52 | Rodrigo | I always live a platonic love. I just dont talk about it |
| 00:04.55 | Bounty | if you live like rod does |
| 00:04.56 | Mexaling | And I don't share your opinion. |
| 00:04.58 | Bounty | you will regret it |
| 00:05.04 | Bounty | when your dick doesnt work anymore and your 60 |
| 00:05.05 | Rodrigo | that is the secret of all my happiness |
| 00:05.07 | Bounty | and u hate ur wife |
| 00:05.15 | Mexaling | Oh you know, swedes are 5% manly, don't expect much of us :P |
| 00:05.17 | Bounty | oh please |
| 00:05.25 | Bounty | i can guarantee you are not happy Rodrigo lol |
| 00:05.35 | Rodrigo | :( |
| 00:05.44 | Bounty | you come in here reminiscing about maps from like 2 years ago |
| 00:05.51 | Rodrigo | :*( |
| 00:05.53 | Bounty | clearly it bothers you and you're miserable |
| 00:06.07 | Rodrigo | :**( |
| 00:06.10 | Bounty | now |
| 00:06.12 | Bounty | lay on the couch |
| 00:06.15 | Bounty | and tell me about your life |
| 00:06.25 | Bounty | let me get my notepad and pencil |
| 00:06.30 | Rodrigo | sorry, but my life doesn't disrespect you |
| 00:06.31 | Bounty | Dr Bounty |
| 00:06.32 | Mexaling | Bounty, are you sober today? |
| 00:06.32 | egod | ahli i just finished 50xSuffix and 34xAffix |
| 00:06.39 | Rodrigo | I gotta go. I already talked too much |
| 00:06.42 | Bounty | I am at the moment Mexa, why? |
| 00:06.48 | Bounty | I'm drinking red wine roday |
| 00:06.50 | Mexaling | Nothing |
| 00:06.51 | Bounty | today* |
| 00:06.52 | flyingspatula | ill never understand ppls need to find a significant other |
| 00:06.53 | Mexaling | just nothing:p |
| 00:06.59 | Bounty | lol what did i do? |
| 00:07.07 | Rodrigo | =/ |
| 00:07.07 | Mexaling | I told you, nothing |
| 00:07.17 | Bounty | just tell me |
| 00:07.20 | Bounty | am i coming off as if im drunk |
| 00:07.24 | Bounty | even though im sober? |
| 00:07.25 | Mexaling | Curiosity. |
| 00:07.34 | Bounty | i decided to quit the beers |
| 00:07.36 | flyingspatula | nah ur coming off as the usual asshole bounty u always are ;) |
| 00:07.43 | Mexaling | Well, one never knows when you are and when you're not |
| 00:07.46 | Bounty | strictly red wine from now on |
| 00:07.59 | Mexaling | There's usually alot of ranting anyways;) |
| 00:08.18 | Rodrigo | good bye bounty |
| 00:08.19 | Bounty | I think im a nicer person when i'm drunk |
| 00:08.27 | Bounty | imo |
| 00:08.48 | Mexaling | herpsenderpsen |
| 00:08.49 | Bounty | I bet i just shattered his soul |
| 00:09.01 | flyingspatula | i tried the moving in with gf scenario. it was nice for a week then realized ill prolly never get married cuz i dont need someone every damn day. |
| 00:09.17 | Bounty | It really depends spatula |
| 00:09.21 | flyingspatula | true |
| 00:09.24 | Bounty | If you can find someone with similar interestes and hobbies like i did |
| 00:09.26 | Bounty | Its nice |
| 00:09.32 | Bounty | If not, dont even bother |
| 00:09.35 | flyingspatula | yeah ive never found a single girl with similar interests lol |
| 00:09.36 | Bounty | just keep bangin whores |
| 00:09.40 | DarkOrbis | got attack animation sorta working |
| 00:09.41 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:09.47 | Bounty | Took me until i was 24 spatula |
| 00:09.52 | Bounty | and i had been lookign since i was like 14 |
| 00:09.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:09.59 | Bounty | it takes awhile |
| 00:10.00 | flyingspatula | hah i go limp for whores. im gay like that |
| 00:10.14 | Bounty | i dont mean LITERALLY |
| 00:10.15 | Bounty | whores |
| 00:10.18 | flyingspatula | i know |
| 00:10.20 | flyingspatula | lol but |
| 00:10.21 | Bounty | i just mean a girl u dont want a relationship with |
| 00:10.27 | Bounty | for some reason i refer to them as whores |
| 00:10.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:10.32 | Mexaling | I thought you were purposely not looking, screwing around with any skank you could find, only to dump them right after. |
| 00:10.50 | Bounty | No |
| 00:10.50 | Mexaling | That was what it sounded like before, anyways. |
| 00:11.03 | Bounty | I just siad fuck it |
| 00:11.07 | Bounty | and gave it a shit |
| 00:11.10 | Bounty | it a shot* |
| 00:11.15 | Mexaling | Having them like your sex dolls, only to practise your penis |
| 00:11.27 | Bounty | yeah tahts how you do it when you're a young teenager |
| 00:11.39 | Mexaling | I didn't. |
| 00:11.55 | Bounty | like |
| 00:11.58 | Bounty | how do i say this |
| 00:12.19 | Ahli | egod, aren't suffixes a subgroup of affix? affix = {prefix, suffix, additional magic modifiers}? |
| 00:12.21 | Bounty | You just find a chick to be ur wifey and if it doesnt work out, move on to the next one |
| 00:12.26 | Bounty | The more you fail |
| 00:12.29 | Bounty | the more specific you get |
| 00:12.33 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 00:12.35 | Bounty | and you will eventually find a keeper |
| 00:12.37 | Bounty | thats what i did |
| 00:12.39 | egod | yeah i just didnt type correctly |
| 00:12.43 | Bounty | everytime it failed |
| 00:12.44 | Bounty | i got more picky |
| 00:12.51 | Bounty | until i landed me a gamer girl |
| 00:12.55 | Bounty | bwahaha |
| 00:13.05 | Mexaling | Oh, so your wife plays games? |
| 00:13.13 | Bounty | Of course |
| 00:13.21 | flyingspatula | uh yeah i think just about every woman ive dated none even played games |
| 00:13.37 | Bounty | I think some people underrestimate how much of a big deal it is if you're GF plays games or not |
| 00:13.45 | Bounty | Its a HUGE bonus |
| 00:13.47 | Bounty | and it helps |
| 00:13.55 | egod | i know somes who play video games and are very cute, but they are rare |
| 00:14.00 | Bounty | I think i dated almost every type of girl spatula |
| 00:14.08 | Bounty | emo, black chick, rocker |
| 00:14.10 | Bounty | mexican |
| 00:14.13 | Bounty | actually |
| 00:14.18 | Bounty | Asian.. i never dated an asian |
| 00:14.22 | Bounty | oh well |
| 00:14.27 | Bounty | i missed out on one i suppose |
| 00:14.34 | egod | that is why i want to go in japan |
| 00:14.37 | flyingspatula | gotta find asian with an ass |
| 00:14.45 | Mexaling | It's not too late top be a korean esports champion |
| 00:14.47 | Bounty | GL with that |
| 00:14.51 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 00:14.54 | flyingspatula | halfsies arent bad |
| 00:14.55 | Bounty | Its hard enough to find a white chick with an ass |
| 00:15.00 | flyingspatula | hah |
| 00:15.11 | Bounty | Ironically, the girl with the best ass ive ever had was a skinny emo chick |
| 00:15.15 | Bounty | she weighed like 100 lbs |
| 00:15.22 | Bounty | like i mean she was skinny as fuck |
| 00:15.26 | Bounty | 80lbs of the 100 |
| 00:15.28 | Bounty | were her ass |
| 00:15.29 | Mexaling | In SI-units please |
| 00:15.32 | Mexaling | :P |
| 00:15.39 | Bounty | Which may i say |
| 00:15.42 | flyingspatula | kinda like how skinny tall guys are always the guys with massive junk |
| 00:15.43 | Bounty | debunks the classic myth |
| 00:15.49 | Bounty | that all black chicks have the biggest abd best asses |
| 00:15.52 | Bounty | it aint true |
| 00:16.15 | egod | lol im tall and skinny, and yes, i use magnum X large condom |
| 00:16.17 | flyingspatula | my step sister is half black her ass is fucking huge |
| 00:16.26 | Bounty | lol egod |
| 00:16.32 | Bounty | you're so full of shit |
| 00:16.35 | Bounty | im catching on to you |
| 00:16.38 | Bounty | everything you say |
| 00:16.40 | egod | its so true |
| 00:16.52 | Bounty | you're starting to sound like a jesus figure |
| 00:16.58 | Bounty | like you're the alpha male of all males |
| 00:17.03 | egod | haha |
| 00:17.05 | egod | i am |
| 00:17.42 | Bounty | but yeah i dont think we should get into the dick size debate, not only is it gay but most people will lie |
| 00:17.47 | Bounty | I've heard the opposite though |
| 00:17.51 | Bounty | about tall skinny guys |
| 00:17.59 | Bounty | That they are 10 inch needle dicks |
| 00:18.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:18.11 | egod | na its very true, im skinny men, but my dick is pretty large |
| 00:18.14 | Bounty | I think there are so many rumors |
| 00:18.18 | egod | it surprise girl |
| 00:18.22 | Bounty | No its not tru egod |
| 00:18.25 | Bounty | its random |
| 00:18.29 | Bounty | You could be 3 foot tall |
| 00:18.32 | Bounty | and be packin |
| 00:18.34 | DarkOrbis | Could anyone help me with my spell so animations work right? no idea what I'm doing wrong. I can show the map on the US server. |
| 00:18.35 | egod | haha |
| 00:18.52 | Bounty | Thats why you see short dudes |
| 00:18.56 | Bounty | with a 7 foot tall amazon bitch |
| 00:19.00 | Bounty | hes prolly got the dick to back it up |
| 00:19.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:19.09 | Bounty | and hes like garry coleman |
| 00:19.15 | Bounty | never know |
| 00:19.19 | Bounty | just like aids |
| 00:19.23 | Bounty | never know whos packin that either |
| 00:19.37 | Bounty | to far? |
| 00:19.48 | Mexaling | DarkOrbis, it will never hapend. The company here is busy tlking about penises. |
| 00:19.50 | Mexaling | *happend |
| 00:19.59 | Bounty | nah |
| 00:20.00 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:20.02 | Bounty | we've moved on |
| 00:20.09 | Bounty | i killed it Mexa |
| 00:20.10 | Bounty | as usual |
| 00:20.13 | Mexaling | :p |
| 00:20.16 | egod | i played in this movie when i was 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfIJFcZLr5c |
| 00:20.23 | egod | 120$ by days |
| 00:20.23 | Mexaling | I need to go to bed early today |
| 00:20.27 | Mexaling | Seeya around |
| 00:21.01 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:21.08 | Bounty | Surprised i have not seen JademusSreg appear randomly yet |
| 00:21.12 | Bounty | Pew |
| 00:22.07 | DarkOrbis | hes hiding |
| 00:22.20 | flyingspatula | which kid r u then egod |
| 00:22.33 | egod | its a secret |
| 00:22.36 | Bounty | dont believe anything he says spatula |
| 00:22.37 | DarkOrbis | well so much for working on my map anymore tonight since I can't get this spell working :( |
| 00:22.53 | flyingspatula | i bet ur this kid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNzaRHP_qRw |
| 00:23.19 | Bounty | apparently hes a tall sexy hacker who got busted by the cops but then turned his life around, oh and he is packin a huge wang and starred in a Barney movie |
| 00:23.26 | egod | lol omg |
| 00:23.28 | Bounty | If you believe that |
| 00:23.32 | Bounty | then idk |
| 00:23.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:23.39 | flyingspatula | sounds legit |
| 00:23.42 | Bounty | You just went to far |
| 00:23.46 | Bounty | To much |
| 00:23.47 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 00:23.58 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:24.04 | egod | not my fault, my parents got me a audition and they taked me cause i have a baby-face |
| 00:24.12 | egod | and i was choosed |
| 00:24.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:24.19 | Bounty | suuuure |
| 00:24.41 | Bounty | oh |
| 00:24.48 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:24.49 | Bounty | and apparently he has sex with thousands of women and his boss doesnt know |
| 00:24.54 | Bounty | w/e taht means |
| 00:25.03 | egod | she will know soon |
| 00:25.07 | Bounty | i'm not making this shit up |
| 00:25.13 | Bounty | just quoting the legend over here |
| 00:25.30 | Bounty | im sorry egod |
| 00:25.35 | Bounty | but all of those things |
| 00:25.47 | Bounty | combined with you even being in this IRC and making a diablo map and a zelda map |
| 00:25.51 | Bounty | doesnt fit bro |
| 00:25.58 | egod | yeah it fit |
| 00:26.13 | Bounty | nah |
| 00:26.30 | Bounty | I'm a lawyer |
| 00:26.59 | Bounty | i'm 6'8 with a 11 inch wang |
| 00:27.00 | Ahli | objection! |
| 00:27.11 | Bounty | i also had sex with Kim Kardashian |
| 00:27.20 | Bounty | and i starred in the power rangers movie |
| 00:27.21 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:27.25 | egod | lol |
| 00:27.26 | Bounty | the first one |
| 00:28.22 | Bounty | oh and i just wanna say this |
| 00:28.29 | Bounty | i saw that lame ass sex tape of that skank |
| 00:28.34 | Bounty | not that impressive when shes naked |
| 00:28.39 | Bounty | i just wanna say that |
| 00:29.03 | Bounty | BOUNTY CHAT GO |
| 00:29.10 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:29.12 | JademusSreg | While there is good reason to be skeptical of whatever people say on the internet, there's usually no good reason to care what people say. |
| 00:29.21 | Bounty | I know |
| 00:29.24 | Bounty | Its just fun |
| 00:29.31 | Bounty | Business as usual JademusSreg |
| 00:29.41 | egod | im born in Canada, my father have a compagny who sell video game and computer, so i played Diablo1 and continue with video games, after that, my mom bring to to barney movie when the movie was filiming in my country, i got choosen, i made lot of money, i hacked computer, got caught, i stopped, go study in prog, stopped, go study in marketing, fuk lot of girl, and this is my life |
| 00:29.42 | JademusSreg | Orb, why the Frostwind-impersonation? |
| 00:29.48 | Bounty | I sent Rodrigo packing out of this IRC early crying |
| 00:30.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Net_Creator (~quassel@66.185.68.192) |
| 00:30.29 | Bounty | How old are you egod |
| 00:30.32 | Bounty | quick |
| 00:30.35 | Bounty | QUICK |
| 00:30.38 | Bounty | 5 |
| 00:30.38 | JademusSreg | *Prague |
| 00:30.38 | Bounty | 4 |
| 00:30.39 | Bounty | 3 |
| 00:30.42 | Bounty | 2 |
| 00:30.44 | Bounty | 1 |
| 00:30.46 | egod | im old now |
| 00:30.50 | Bounty | how old |
| 00:30.51 | Bounty | number |
| 00:30.53 | Bounty | quick |
| 00:30.59 | egod | around 25 |
| 00:31.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Torhal (~torhal@c-71-207-224-241.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 00:31.16 | Vailreth | hah |
| 00:32.39 | Bounty | I think you're lieng |
| 00:32.42 | Bounty | took you to long to answer |
| 00:32.49 | Bounty | >< |
| 00:32.55 | egod | im around 25, will not tell you |
| 00:33.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (4e451ee3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.69.30.227) |
| 00:33.17 | Bounty | shame because your specific age could help build your case |
| 00:33.38 | Mexa | And by the way, grab this while you can http://www.s2hd.com/ , if you're a fan of Sonic (as opposed to Super Mario) |
| 00:34.10 | egod | sonic |
| 00:34.14 | Bounty | why grab it while you can? |
| 00:34.15 | egod | not for me |
| 00:34.17 | Bounty | whats going to happen to it |
| 00:34.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:34.27 | Mexa | Because it's a fan-game |
| 00:34.28 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:34.29 | Torhal | "Rest assured" |
| 00:34.33 | Torhal | FUCK that. |
| 00:34.39 | Kueken | "this is not a trojan, believe me!" |
| 00:34.44 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 00:34.48 | Mexa | lol |
| 00:34.48 | egod | hm |
| 00:34.55 | egod | did you try to hack me? |
| 00:34.57 | Mexa | Silly goose. |
| 00:35.17 | Mexa | They're probably only using a decrypt algoritm on the executable |
| 00:35.18 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:35.21 | Bounty | Its not a trojan guys i just installed it |
| 00:35.23 | Bounty | its safe |
| 00:35.26 | Bounty | wait |
| 00:35.27 | Torhal | ... |
| 00:35.29 | Bounty | my screen just flickered |
| 00:35.31 | Torhal | WTF |
| 00:35.34 | Bounty | OH NO |
| 00:35.36 | egod | lawl bounty |
| 00:35.37 | Bounty | beep boop |
| 00:35.38 | Mexa | As is very common when you want to obfuscate your code to not be reverse engineered. |
| 00:35.40 | Torhal | Sixen: Kill these people, please. |
| 00:35.45 | Sixen | heh |
| 00:35.46 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:35.57 | Bounty | There a big picture of a gerbal skull on my screen now |
| 00:35.59 | Bounty | saying |
| 00:36.02 | Bounty | PWned |
| 00:36.03 | Ahli | I wonder if he was watching the last half hour |
| 00:36.05 | Bounty | by mexa |
| 00:36.09 | Sixen | I've been around Ahli lol |
| 00:36.10 | Bounty | ITS A TWAP |
| 00:36.14 | Mexa | Torhal, nothing has happend to me yet anyways |
| 00:36.16 | Kueken | uh, sixen's here |
| 00:36.17 | Ahli | or actually the last hour |
| 00:36.22 | Bounty | Thats what Sixen does |
| 00:36.25 | egod | Dustin give me your dman map |
| 00:36.27 | Bounty | He waits |
| 00:36.28 | egod | NOW |
| 00:36.31 | Bounty | in hiding |
| 00:36.31 | Ahli | staring at irc all day? |
| 00:36.32 | Sixen | Dustin is alive? |
| 00:36.38 | Torhal | Anything that tells me "Your antivirus will likely complain, but it's OKAY!" I immediately DO NOT download. |
| 00:36.43 | Sixen | lol |
| 00:37.03 | Bounty | nom nom |
| 00:37.14 | Bounty | Sixen will likely go back into the shadows now that he sees i am here |
| 00:37.34 | Bounty | Shits about to get real uncomfortable in here |
| 00:37.56 | Bounty | See, you feel that? |
| 00:38.12 | Bounty | Uncomfortable silence... |
| 00:38.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster Net_Creator (~quassel@66.185.79.236) |
| 00:39.24 | Mexa | Torhal, I respect that, but it is highly unlikely that it is a virus, considering the 32bit version there appeared to be suspicios, while te 64bit exe is not. |
| 00:39.45 | Torhal | Meh |
| 00:39.48 | Mexa | Also |
| 00:40.20 | Kueken | reminds me of the Jass NewGen Pack for WC3 :) |
| 00:40.21 | Mexa | The team is originated from sonicretro, which is the largest sonic fan base forum there is. |
| 00:40.55 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:40.55 | Mexa | http://www.sonicretro.org/2012/03/sonic-2-hd-alpha-release-now-available-continues-development-as-closed-project/ |
| 00:40.56 | Kueken | since it was technically a hack, just about every antivirus program blocked it |
| 00:41.01 | DarkOrbis | soooo bored |
| 00:41.09 | egod | ... |
| 00:41.10 | Mexa | Yeah Kueken, I remember that, Lol. |
| 00:41.48 | Mexa | Torhal, there's a video there instead:D |
| 00:41.53 | DarkOrbis | too bad its hard to get someone to help :( |
| 00:41.56 | Kueken | I would love someone to pull a similar thing and include stuff like Galaxy++ :) |
| 00:42.04 | Ahli | what's the problem orb? |
| 00:42.18 | DarkOrbis | animation problems |
| 00:42.18 | egod | he want to play a unit animation in data editor |
| 00:42.26 | egod | i dotn know about data |
| 00:42.29 | DarkOrbis | I have the map on the US server |
| 00:42.34 | Bounty | i already fucking said how to do it |
| 00:42.38 | Bounty | i love how nobody listens to me |
| 00:42.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:42.43 | Bounty | every damn time |
| 00:42.55 | Mexa | "I'd like to help debug more, but since no debugging symbols are included and the executables and data files are both obfuscated, it appears that this will be impossible. Incidentally, that obfuscation is probably what's triggering the false positive. I'd like to point out that obfuscated executables are only used by two groups of programmers: virus writers, DRM developers, and programmers who don't want people to see how bad their c |
| 00:43.12 | Vailreth | i listen Bounty. i listen |
| 00:43.14 | Ahli | event -> play animation bracket; event -> stop animation bracket |
| 00:43.25 | Kueken | virus writers, DRM developers, and programmers who don't want people to see how bad their c |
| 00:43.27 | DarkOrbis | not working right |
| 00:43.29 | Kueken | = 2 groups |
| 00:43.31 | Mexa | (Obfuscated code is never used on super high-end stuff like IBM Rhapsody, which costs thousands of dollars per license.) " |
| 00:43.47 | Mexa | Kueken, no, that's 3 groups |
| 00:44.08 | Mexa | DRM is not to prevent you from seeing how bad the code is. |
| 00:44.24 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:44.31 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 00:44.33 | Deaod | arguably it is |
| 00:44.50 | Kueken | my SC2 code is a mess, i wouldn't want anyone to look at that |
| 00:44.58 | Kueken | I can understand the thought process |
| 00:45.23 | DarkOrbis | I have it playing the animation but messes up |
| 00:45.34 | Mexa | It's unreasonable to have DRM only for that. |
| 00:45.35 | Ahli | define: messes up |
| 00:45.44 | Mexa | Obfuscation tools is enough. |
| 00:45.45 | DarkOrbis | and the impact model never plays yet impacts the unit |
| 00:46.05 | Mexa | And no matter the choice, they're still breakable with some effort. |
| 00:46.06 | Deaod | well, minimizing identifiers is a useful optimization as it decreases filesize |
| 00:46.28 | DarkOrbis | looks like I'm talking and no one is even gonna help :( |
| 00:46.43 | Dustin | Sixen |
| 00:46.44 | Dustin | Sup |
| 00:46.50 | DarkOrbis | i guess i'll just shutup then :( |
| 00:47.04 | Mexa | I suppose Deaod, but still. |
| 00:47.08 | Mexa | Oh well. |
| 00:47.11 | Kueken | (02:45:39) Ahli: define: messes up |
| 00:47.26 | Kueken | orbis, someone was listening ;) |
| 00:47.30 | Sixen | haha, long time no see dustin |
| 00:47.39 | Dustin | I know right :D |
| 00:47.42 | DarkOrbis | never saw that message |
| 00:47.57 | DarkOrbis | rather hard to explain. |
| 00:48.23 | Kueken | how did you make him play the animation? |
| 00:48.32 | DarkOrbis | messes up when you walk while it still playing |
| 00:49.10 | DarkOrbis | actor event when it sees the spell cast |
| 00:49.24 | Kueken | try UnitMovementUpdate.*.Walk -> AnimClear |
| 00:52.41 | DarkOrbis | it bugged |
| 00:53.01 | Ahli | if you aren't in a bracket, the other animations can interfere I think |
| 00:53.02 | DarkOrbis | worked once then now won't play attack animation anymore |
| 00:54.16 | DarkOrbis | after the first time it now fires the gun without the attack animation |
| 00:54.53 | Ahli | I need 2 numbers between 1 and 7 |
| 00:54.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster JademusSreg (Owenalacas@c-68-34-223-48.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 00:55.03 | Ahli | can be the same number twice |
| 00:55.34 | DarkOrbis | 6 9 |
| 00:55.47 | Deaod | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.00 | Deaod | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.09 | Ahli | 9 is invalid, yes |
| 00:56.27 | Kueken | do 2 random int calls o_0 |
| 00:56.30 | Kueken | why ask us? |
| 00:56.39 | Deaod | 4 |
| 00:56.48 | Ahli | I can't decide which magic box I should pick |
| 00:56.55 | Deaod | and if youre quick, you can find the corresponding xkcd comic |
| 00:56.59 | Ahli | k, picking 6,4 now |
| 00:57.13 | DarkOrbis | 67 |
| 00:57.49 | Ahli | nice. it was an empty box. I lost 20 minerals ;S |
| 00:58.10 | DarkOrbis | grrrr |
| 00:58.19 | DarkOrbis | damn animation won't play :( |
| 00:58.53 | Ahli | screenshot actor events, thx |
| 00:59.37 | DarkOrbis | got teamviewer? |
| 00:59.37 | Kueken | dont trust us |
| 00:59.40 | Kueken | trust http://www.random.org/ |
| 00:59.44 | DarkOrbis | I could just show you |
| 01:00.11 | Ahli | no |
| 01:00.33 | Bounty | lol teamviewer |
| 01:00.41 | Bounty | i remember Fockewulf tried to get me on that shit with him |
| 01:00.43 | DarkOrbis | damn |
| 01:00.43 | Bounty | fuck that |
| 01:01.06 | Kueken | screenshot actorevents, or copy as text -> pastebin |
| 01:01.56 | DarkOrbis | can't copy as text |
| 01:02.02 | DarkOrbis | only copy |
| 01:02.28 | Mexa | teamviewer works great |
| 01:02.34 | DarkOrbis | when i right an event or message i only get copy. |
| 01:02.50 | Ahli | close window, copy then |
| 01:02.51 | Mexa | Me and my friend made school assignment work over teamviewer when we both were not available to meet. |
| 01:02.52 | Kueken | click the whole events field instead |
| 01:02.58 | DarkOrbis | copy as text isn't even in the menu |
| 01:03.13 | Ahli | use table view |
| 01:03.16 | Mexa | Also fuck that, I'm not going to bed yet ._. |
| 01:03.25 | DarkOrbis | http://pastebin.com/c0TY6tTV |
| 01:03.30 | Kueken | yeah, who needs sleep? |
| 01:03.48 | Ahli | oh god, wall of text |
| 01:03.49 | Kueken | sleep is for pussys, just like food, daylight or oxygen |
| 01:04.01 | Ahli | "sleep is for noobs" -pharazon |
| 01:04.05 | Mexa | And cats, don't forget them cats! |
| 01:04.21 | Ahli | we won't forget helral, no |
| 01:04.37 | Mexa | The one and only? |
| 01:05.05 | Mexa | Cats should not work.. |
| 01:05.21 | Kueken | I would recommend to not use the same animation name for attack and the spell |
| 01:05.31 | Kueken | could call it... "spell" :) |
| 01:05.41 | Ahli | or qq |
| 01:05.42 | Mexa | ability |
| 01:06.15 | Kueken | also, in your case, it might be better to use AnimPlay instead of AnimBracketStart |
| 01:06.43 | Kueken | since you never close it, that would be your problem anyway |
| 01:08.09 | DarkOrbis | isn't playing the animation now |
| 01:08.26 | Bounty | So apparently |
| 01:08.31 | Bounty | Red Wine mixed with Pepsi |
| 01:08.33 | Bounty | = Cherry Coke |
| 01:08.41 | Bounty | or Cherry Pepsi |
| 01:08.42 | Bounty | w/e |
| 01:08.49 | Kueken | red wine = cherry? |
| 01:08.57 | Bounty | dont think so |
| 01:09.01 | Bounty | but for some reason |
| 01:09.03 | Kueken | think I got that mixed up before... |
| 01:09.06 | Bounty | it tastes just like cherry coke |
| 01:09.13 | Bounty | when u mix it with pepsi |
| 01:09.22 | Bounty | good as fuck |
| 01:10.14 | Kueken | Abil.NormalAttack.TargetCastStart |
| 01:10.19 | DarkOrbis | woot, figured it out, left the AnimBracketStart and did a AnimBracketStop Instant on movement update |
| 01:10.32 | DarkOrbis | works now |
| 01:13.26 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 01:13.31 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:13.35 | Bounty | Have you ever heard of this? Mixing Red wine and pepsi |
| 01:13.51 | Bounty | it tastes almost to good |
| 01:14.02 | DarkOrbis | damnit, still buggedf |
| 01:14.04 | DarkOrbis | bugged* |
| 01:14.37 | DarkOrbis | if movement never happens and I stop then start attacking again it doesn't play the animation |
| 01:14.54 | DarkOrbis | same if the unit changes facing direction |
| 01:16.06 | DarkOrbis | damnit |
| 01:16.08 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 01:16.21 | Kueken | gogo AnimPlay :) |
| 01:17.09 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 01:18.10 | Bounty | Still having trouble with the animation + shooting effects eh? rofl |
| 01:18.30 | Bounty | Love it |
| 01:19.18 | Dustin | Ugh |
| 01:19.24 | Dustin | This tutorial has nothing to do with beams |
| 01:19.32 | Dustin | Its just missiles with beam models |
| 01:21.56 | DarkOrbis | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:23.47 | Mexa | I'm going to bed now (I will try) |
| 01:23.50 | Mexa | Laters! |
| 01:26.47 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@p54875CC2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:26.54 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 01:27.09 | Bounty | no :( for you |
| 01:27.13 | Bounty | i told you how to fix it |
| 01:27.14 | Bounty | lolol |
| 01:29.12 | DarkOrbis | well, its still not working. so :( |
| 01:29.34 | Bounty | Because you most likely did not try what i suggested about 5-6 hours ago |
| 01:29.52 | Bounty | i do animations through data all the time |
| 01:30.11 | DarkOrbis | i never saw you give any sort of fix |
| 01:30.35 | Bounty | Well i did |
| 01:30.51 | Bounty | nucca |
| 01:31.20 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 01:33.57 | DarkOrbis | so much for getting the damn spell to work right :( |
| 01:34.35 | JademusSreg | Patience. |
| 01:34.41 | Bounty | rofl |
| 01:34.43 | Bounty | of course |
| 01:34.48 | Bounty | Jade just shows up out of the blue |
| 01:34.58 | Bounty | with a single word of wisdo |
| 01:35.00 | Bounty | wisdom* |
| 01:35.41 | Bounty | You never answered my question from earlier JademusSreg |
| 01:35.41 | DarkOrbis | without this shit working I can't complete my project |
| 01:35.44 | Bounty | About red wine and pepsi |
| 01:36.15 | Bounty | tough luck Orbis |
| 01:36.53 | Bounty | Kind of a shame to not be able to complete a project over such a simple thing |
| 01:37.07 | JademusSreg | Again, patience. There's no deadline, so take your time. |
| 01:37.57 | Bounty | Actually JademusSreg is wrong |
| 01:38.04 | Vailreth | its not like if you dont get the thing done now starcraft 2 will be uncreated tomorrow |
| 01:38.05 | Bounty | There is a deadline |
| 01:38.13 | Bounty | If you dont finish it before you die |
| 01:38.18 | Bounty | Thats the deadline |
| 01:38.18 | JademusSreg | Obviously. |
| 01:38.33 | Bounty | Actually Vailreth |
| 01:38.40 | Bounty | at the rate customs are going atm |
| 01:38.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:38.47 | Bounty | thats a possibility |
| 01:39.35 | Vailreth | this isnt the wheel of time books we do not have Balefire to erase threads of the weave from the tapestry of fate |
| 01:39.54 | Bounty | what did you just say about my mama |
| 01:40.31 | Vailreth | HAH |
| 01:41.05 | Bounty | Yo mama is so short that when she threw a ball on the curb she thought she roofed it |
| 01:41.18 | Vailreth | oh man |
| 01:41.59 | Bounty | Yo mama is so stupid she thought a quarterback was a refund |
| 01:42.20 | Vailreth | you are how old now bounty 12? |
| 01:42.39 | Bounty | Nah, if i was that young i would remember alot more than just those two |
| 01:42.46 | Bounty | I only remember those 2 jokes |
| 01:42.46 | Vailreth | hah |
| 01:42.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:42.51 | Bounty | been awhile |
| 01:45.10 | DarkOrbis | i wish I knew how to make this damn spell work |
| 01:45.22 | Bounty | we know |
| 01:45.38 | Vailreth | i wish i knew how to make my damn attribute work |
| 01:45.46 | Bounty | Patience young Padawop |
| 01:45.46 | DarkOrbis | with no help I don't see me ever getting it to work |
| 01:46.09 | Bounty | Everytime i try to help you, you deny it |
| 01:46.27 | Bounty | God Forbid you do one little thing outside of data lol |
| 01:46.30 | DarkOrbis | I've not once seen you offer any help |
| 01:46.45 | Bounty | I told you how to do what you're trying to do about 5 hours ago |
| 01:46.53 | Bounty | and a few days ago i suggest that you do something with triggers |
| 01:46.56 | DarkOrbis | this is animations, which is done in data |
| 01:47.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:47.02 | Bounty | ffs |
| 01:47.04 | Bounty | fuck it |
| 01:48.36 | DarkOrbis | well, so much for me ever finishing this project since no one is gonna help me fix problems i can't fix on my own |
| 01:49.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster IskatuMesk (ae015692@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.1.86.146) |
| 01:49.39 | Vailreth | this reminds me of some one esle i cant quite recall who though that kept whining about his project but wouldnt accept help when given becuase it was counter to what he wanted to believer about the editor |
| 01:51.05 | IskatuMesk | wat |
| 01:53.42 | Bounty | Who you talking about Vailreth |
| 01:55.39 | Vailreth | i cant recall who it was but there was some one who wanted the editor to be able to blend animations like walking and shooting and when he finally accepted that that wouldnt work he would whine about being unable to model in 3ds and other stuff trying to get some one to do the work for him |
| 01:55.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:56.21 | IskatuMesk | Sounds pretty average to me. |
| 01:56.36 | Bounty | I just dont understand why ppl bitch about nobody helpign them and then when i try to help them its not their way so they wont do it |
| 01:57.02 | Bounty | Yet for some reason, people always tell me how well my maps perform |
| 01:57.03 | Bounty | DERP |
| 01:58.00 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 01:58.19 | Bounty | I'm going to cyber slap that frown upside down |
| 01:58.42 | DarkOrbis | thing is I don't understand the data editor very well so i have no idea how to even fix it. and no one to help me fix it |
| 01:58.53 | Bounty | Maybe you shouldnt be using it then |
| 01:59.07 | Bounty | Its not exactly the best way to get started with the editor |
| 01:59.11 | DarkOrbis | its the only way to do what i need to do |
| 01:59.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:59.29 | Bounty | fuck |
| 01:59.30 | Bounty | FUCK |
| 01:59.32 | Bounty | must |
| 01:59.33 | Bounty | cyber slap |
| 01:59.40 | Bounty | is this your first map? |
| 01:59.54 | Bounty | If so, then how the hell would you know better then the people in this chat |
| 01:59.56 | Bounty | That its the only way |
| 02:00.15 | DarkOrbis | no its not |
| 02:00.40 | IskatuMesk | The AI's control of Ravens... leaves something to be desired. |
| 02:00.49 | DarkOrbis | just doing a new map from what I normally do |
| 02:01.09 | Bounty | What would we know you from then? |
| 02:01.11 | Bounty | What have you done |
| 02:01.30 | DarkOrbis | nothing publicly published |
| 02:02.10 | DarkOrbis | got a ton of the project finished but ran into road blocks with the ideas for the project |
| 02:02.16 | Bounty | Well if its nothing nobody else in the world has ever seen |
| 02:02.23 | Bounty | As far as this IRC is concerned, its your first map |
| 02:02.27 | Bounty | >< |
| 02:02.30 | DarkOrbis | no its not |
| 02:02.37 | xeloet | ill help with the data editor |
| 02:02.43 | xeloet | for real |
| 02:02.50 | DarkOrbis | first map would mean very first time working on one |
| 02:03.02 | DarkOrbis | xeloet: US or EU? |
| 02:03.31 | xeloet | ? ill answer data editor questions |
| 02:04.04 | DarkOrbis | I'll need to show what is happening with the problem |
| 02:04.11 | DarkOrbis | hard to explain it |
| 02:04.44 | xeloet | im pretty sure you could at least write a summary |
| 02:05.01 | Bounty | I personally think this guy is just a sham |
| 02:05.04 | DarkOrbis | animation problem |
| 02:05.06 | Bounty | and hes trying to lure someone on teamview |
| 02:05.10 | Bounty | to give them a virus |
| 02:05.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:05.33 | Bounty | He must work for Sonic 2 HD |
| 02:05.36 | DarkOrbis | can't give a virus through teamviewer |
| 02:05.56 | IskatuMesk | lol @ virus on teamviewer |
| 02:06.05 | DarkOrbis | they'd have to accept the file and run it |
| 02:06.18 | Bounty | ok? |
| 02:06.27 | Bounty | you could still do it |
| 02:06.29 | Bounty | you fraud |
| 02:06.53 | DarkOrbis | i don't know shit about viruses anyways |
| 02:07.11 | Bounty | You prolly know more about viruses than you do the data editor |
| 02:08.21 | DarkOrbis | well, so much for any help |
| 02:08.39 | Bounty | Knock it off with that shit |
| 02:08.43 | Bounty | You dont want help |
| 02:09.08 | Bounty | Quite a few people including myself have tried to help you a few times since you started coming in here but apparently you know better than us |
| 02:09.18 | DarkOrbis | not really |
| 02:09.25 | Bounty | You even claim that what you want to do can only be done in data |
| 02:09.27 | Bounty | which is wrong |
| 02:10.09 | DarkOrbis | the entire damn spell is done in data |
| 02:10.12 | DarkOrbis | so it is |
| 02:10.15 | Bounty | ok? |
| 02:10.19 | Mexa_ | hgnnngghhgnn |
| 02:10.26 | Bounty | you dont have to do the entire thing in fucking data lol |
| 02:10.40 | DarkOrbis | it already is |
| 02:10.59 | Bounty | i told you to apply a behavior through a trigger that on contact with the unit will play the animation and create the launch effect model |
| 02:11.11 | DarkOrbis | I'm doing in data, so fuck off about trying to force me to do it in triggers |
| 02:11.12 | Bounty | so fucking do it |
| 02:11.16 | Bounty | well then |
| 02:11.18 | DarkOrbis | I'm not going to |
| 02:11.24 | Bounty | the truth arises |
| 02:11.39 | Bounty | its ONE fuckign trigger |
| 02:11.41 | DarkOrbis | fuck off |
| 02:11.41 | Bounty | the rest is data |
| 02:11.42 | Bounty | ok |
| 02:11.47 | Bounty | good luck with your spell |
| 02:11.54 | Bounty | i'm being sarcastic btw |
| 02:12.01 | Bounty | i hope it fails even more than it already has |
| 02:12.04 | DarkOrbis | ignored |
| 02:12.07 | IskatuMesk | u gies r funny |
| 02:12.08 | Bounty | sweet |
| 02:12.15 | Bounty | i think this is the first time ive been ignored |
| 02:12.17 | DarkOrbis | I've ignored him |
| 02:12.22 | Bounty | and by someone ive been trying to help for the last week |
| 02:12.28 | Bounty | lolol |
| 02:12.35 | Bounty | Mexa_ i did it! |
| 02:13.07 | Bounty | Thank you IskatuMesk |
| 02:13.14 | DarkOrbis | omg, Jade left, IRC must be about to crash |
| 02:13.18 | IskatuMesk | np |
| 02:14.07 | Bounty | This must be what it feels like right before you turn to the darkside |
| 02:14.13 | Bounty | so much rage for this guy |
| 02:14.21 | DarkOrbis | well, so much for my project |
| 02:14.24 | Bounty | LOL |
| 02:14.27 | Bounty | there he goes again |
| 02:14.29 | Bounty | son of a bitch |
| 02:14.54 | DarkOrbis | I've been having to do this damn project alone with no help :( |
| 02:15.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster JademusSreg (Owenalacas@c-68-34-223-48.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 02:15.32 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 02:15.34 | Bounty | help |
| 02:15.41 | Bounty | pleaes shut this fucking idiot up |
| 02:16.05 | Mexa_ | You did what, Biounty? |
| 02:16.14 | Mexa_ | *-i |
| 02:16.31 | Bounty | I got ignored |
| 02:16.37 | Bounty | by someone ive been trying to fucking help for the last week |
| 02:16.46 | Bounty | god forbid he uses ONE trigger to apply a behavior |
| 02:17.10 | Bounty | All he keeps doing is bitching aboiut how nobody will help him |
| 02:17.17 | Bounty | and how his project is doomed because nobody will help him |
| 02:17.37 | Bounty | I have transferred all of my hate for Rodrigo to this mans soul. |
| 02:17.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:17.57 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 02:18.04 | Bounty | god damnit |
| 02:18.14 | Bounty | thats like the 30th fucking :( hes done in the last 15 minutes |
| 02:19.35 | JademusSreg | Animation problem? |
| 02:19.36 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 02:19.39 | DarkOrbis | yea |
| 02:19.47 | Bounty | Thats #31 |
| 02:19.55 | Bounty | sad face athon |
| 02:20.00 | Bounty | rofl |
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| 02:20.47 | JademusSreg | Animation problem? |
| 02:20.53 | Bounty | JademusSreg, quit everytime he thinks you're about to help |
| 02:20.55 | Bounty | please |
| 02:20.58 | Bounty | PLEASE |
| 02:21.00 | Bounty | rofl |
| 02:21.22 | DarkOrbis | yea |
| 02:21.31 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 02:21.57 | DarkOrbis | attack animation won't play right for the spell |
| 02:22.07 | DarkOrbis | best to just show you ingame |
| 02:22.15 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 02:22.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:22.32 | JademusSreg | Doesn't matter. All I need is to see the data. |
| 02:22.34 | Bounty | hes trying to lure you on teamview to send you a super powered virus |
| 02:22.59 | DarkOrbis | I can show my screen in teamviewer then |
| 02:23.10 | Bounty | Reminds me of fucking Fockewulf |
| 02:23.16 | JademusSreg | All I need is to see the data. |
| 02:23.19 | Bounty | Would not take no as an answer to teamviewer |
| 02:23.32 | JademusSreg | Pastebin the XML. |
| 02:23.40 | DarkOrbis | like what? |
| 02:23.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:23.59 | JademusSreg | The actor data. |
| 02:24.11 | DarkOrbis | trying to play the attack animation while using the spell |
| 02:24.44 | DarkOrbis | How do I copy the xml? |
| 02:24.46 | Bounty | Your spell sucks bro |
| 02:24.53 | DarkOrbis | I don't even see any xml |
| 02:25.03 | JademusSreg | Yes, which is done via actor. So show me the actor data you're using. View -> XML |
| 02:25.10 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg |
| 02:25.18 | IskatuMesk | is your amazing micro system fully functional and supporting ravens |
| 02:25.21 | JademusSreg | Hey Mesk. |
| 02:25.24 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 02:25.42 | JademusSreg | It's not fully functional, and it's mostly oriented toward optimal positioning, atm. |
| 02:25.52 | IskatuMesk | oh |
| 02:25.55 | IskatuMesk | buttes |
| 02:26.05 | Bounty | JademusSreg has a micro system? |
| 02:26.08 | IskatuMesk | I'm watching the AI suicide like 30 ravens a time into planetary fortresses |
| 02:26.10 | Bounty | What is that? |
| 02:26.10 | JademusSreg | If you need Ravens, the AIs do it by assigning ascorts. |
| 02:26.13 | JademusSreg | *escorts |
| 02:26.17 | DarkOrbis | http://pastebin.com/4ZtxBR42 |
| 02:26.22 | IskatuMesk | they occassionally drop turrets |
| 02:26.33 | IskatuMesk | but they don't use defense drones, and they don't drop *enough* turrets |
| 02:26.47 | IskatuMesk | A raven should never die with 150 mana. |
| 02:26.55 | JademusSreg | Sounds like bad tactical AI function. |
| 02:27.04 | IskatuMesk | As far as I can tell they don't use tactical AI at all |
| 02:27.06 | DarkOrbis | Jade: http://pastebin.com/4ZtxBR42 |
| 02:27.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:27.19 | Bounty | Yeah Jade |
| 02:27.20 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/4ZtxBR42 |
| 02:27.38 | JademusSreg | You could change the tactical AI function from the data, maybe. I'll need to look into that. |
| 02:28.11 | JademusSreg | That is entirely more than I needed to see. |
| 02:28.13 | egod | 39 days 1 hour 31 min till we all go play Diablo III |
| 02:28.17 | JademusSreg | Which actor concerns your ability? |
| 02:28.21 | IskatuMesk | I see nothing raven-related in the tactical AI at all, and the raven itself refers to nothing that exists; I do see something that might be using the galaxy code though |
| 02:28.23 | Bounty | Nobody cares egod |
| 02:28.31 | Bounty | I would much rather play your Diablo map |
| 02:28.31 | DarkOrbis | the marine actor |
| 02:28.33 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:28.38 | IskatuMesk | Was in the d3 beta and won't be touching release |
| 02:28.38 | egod | meh |
| 02:28.47 | Bounty | Its never going to be released is it? |
| 02:28.50 | Bounty | kenw it |
| 02:28.51 | egod | wanna zap zap in zelda with me? |
| 02:28.57 | egod | will upload |
| 02:29.00 | Bounty | maybe in a few minutes |
| 02:29.05 | Bounty | i wanna see if Jade can finally shut the faggot up |
| 02:29.06 | DarkOrbis | the marine should look like he's attack while using the spell |
| 02:29.08 | egod | lawl |
| 02:29.14 | DarkOrbis | attacking* |
| 02:29.16 | Bounty | I tried to help him again |
| 02:29.22 | Bounty | it ended with him putting me on ignore |
| 02:29.25 | egod | i told him |
| 02:29.27 | Bounty | figure that shit out |
| 02:29.30 | JademusSreg | I take it the ability is called Normal Attack? |
| 02:29.33 | egod | to use 1xline of trigger |
| 02:29.43 | egod | but he keep doing it with data |
| 02:29.51 | Bounty | I told him to just have a trigger apply a behavior |
| 02:29.58 | Bounty | and have the behavior play the animations and do the launch fx |
| 02:30.02 | Bounty | easy |
| 02:30.05 | JademusSreg | That's unnecessary. |
| 02:30.42 | DarkOrbis | correct |
| 02:31.10 | DarkOrbis | I'm turning the marine's normal weapon into a spell |
| 02:31.21 | JademusSreg | Also, you're overwriting standard data instead of adding your own entries. Bad practice. |
| 02:31.21 | Bounty | i hate you |
| 02:31.23 | Bounty | so much |
| 02:31.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:31.35 | IskatuMesk | It's ok, everyone hates me. I get used to it. |
| 02:31.37 | DarkOrbis | also I dunno what I'm doing |
| 02:31.39 | Bounty | not you |
| 02:31.45 | Bounty | just that guy |
| 02:31.46 | IskatuMesk | Don't try to hide it. |
| 02:31.47 | Bounty | Orbis |
| 02:31.59 | egod | what the map hes working on |
| 02:32.04 | Bounty | prolly something stupid |
| 02:32.07 | Vailreth | oh brother... |
| 02:32.08 | IskatuMesk | I can spot hatred like lard in a bucket. |
| 02:32.23 | Vailreth | now i have to make 99 duplicates of an effect |
| 02:32.31 | Bounty | .... |
| 02:32.36 | Bounty | what in the fuck Vailreth |
| 02:32.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:32.39 | Bounty | 99? |
| 02:32.43 | egod | EVERYONE WHO WANT CUT SOME BUSH IN ZELDA FROM 1993 ON SNS LOG ON!!! +++ AWNSOME MUSIC! |
| 02:32.52 | Bounty | oh shit |
| 02:32.55 | Bounty | cuttin bush |
| 02:32.56 | Bounty | my favorite |
| 02:32.56 | JademusSreg | For one thing, you didn't need to override the attack actor event. |
| 02:33.00 | Vailreth | i need 99 or 100 modify unit effects |
| 02:33.03 | Bounty | is it like manscaping? |
| 02:33.22 | Bounty | You suck DarkOrbis |
| 02:33.40 | Vailreth | because i need one for each integer between 1 and 100 |
| 02:33.47 | JademusSreg | You just add a new actor event Abil.NormalAttack.SourceCastStart -> AnimPlay Attack Attack |
| 02:33.48 | Bounty | why? |
| 02:33.53 | JademusSreg | Tada done. |
| 02:33.56 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:34.02 | Bounty | what in the world are you trying to do Vailreth |
| 02:34.04 | egod | uploading |
| 02:34.24 | Vailreth | so the behavior i have can remove the remaining charges of an ability no matter how many it has between 1 and 100 |
| 02:34.41 | Bounty | interesting |
| 02:34.49 | DarkOrbis | but i need it to stop when walking |
| 02:34.56 | Bounty | haha |
| 02:35.00 | Bounty | *points and laughs* |
| 02:35.05 | egod | 1xline of triggers |
| 02:35.11 | egod | i told him 5 hours later |
| 02:35.20 | Bounty | fucking |
| 02:35.24 | Bounty | DarkDorkis |
| 02:35.30 | Bounty | lololol |
| 02:35.40 | egod | Move....Attack |
| 02:36.06 | Bounty | no egod |
| 02:36.07 | Bounty | be careful |
| 02:36.11 | Bounty | he will become angry with you |
| 02:36.16 | DarkOrbis | Jade, didn't work |
| 02:36.16 | Bounty | and ignore you |
| 02:36.22 | egod | well |
| 02:36.24 | Bounty | just do what i do |
| 02:36.27 | Bounty | sit back and laugh |
| 02:36.31 | egod | i did what he talking in my map |
| 02:36.38 | egod | son whatever |
| 02:36.38 | Bounty | no egod |
| 02:36.41 | Bounty | YOU CANNOT DO IT THAT WAY |
| 02:36.46 | Bounty | so speaks the DarkOrbis |
| 02:36.55 | Bounty | How dare you question his logic |
| 02:37.26 | egod | everyone in channel sc2mapster on US (NA) |
| 02:38.00 | Bounty | He will disembowel your soul using only the skills he possesses with the editor |
| 02:38.14 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 02:38.17 | Bounty | hahahaha |
| 02:38.18 | Bounty | dsflahdsf |
| 02:38.20 | Bounty | there iti s |
| 02:38.25 | Bounty | NUMBER THIRTY TWO |
| 02:38.27 | Bounty | in the last hour |
| 02:38.42 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 02:38.57 | JademusSreg | Mesk, I'll take a look at the AI tactical shit. |
| 02:39.07 | IskatuMesk | prepare to vomit |
| 02:39.24 | IskatuMesk | I'm pretty sure the Raven is entirely Galaxy controlled, but feel free to make me feel retarded. |
| 02:39.48 | Bounty | Even if you're right, JadeumsSreg will make you feel retarded |
| 02:39.51 | Bounty | Always remember that |
| 02:40.05 | JademusSreg | No, you're right about that, but if my suspicions are correct, I'll find a solution that should allow you to use GUI for it. |
| 02:40.25 | IskatuMesk | Ah. Then I can push knobs and turn buttons and make wine from goat vomit. |
| 02:40.41 | IskatuMesk | At least Seeker Missile would be as simple as "shoot that guy" |
| 02:41.04 | JademusSreg | Haha, Reapers used to have a tactical function for ReaperMines. |
| 02:41.05 | IskatuMesk | But if I can make Ravens at least somewhat intelligently use DD's and then drop turrets like crazy, we'll be in business, even if they're a bit sloppy |
| 02:41.11 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 02:42.00 | JademusSreg | Calldown Supply is similarly commented out for orbital commands, which is why they never use it in melee. =D |
| 02:42.17 | IskatuMesk | Yeah, also they disable a bunch of stuff for Campaign AI. |
| 02:42.21 | IskatuMesk | e.g. blink |
| 02:46.42 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 02:46.58 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure my idea will work. |
| 02:47.08 | IskatuMesk | You're a confident man. |
| 02:47.36 | JademusSreg | Well, it also depends on how well you can define the logic for the unit's use of abilities. |
| 02:47.38 | IskatuMesk | I don't think I can ever say "my idea will work". I usually say, "Well, I can confidently say that I have no confidence if my idea will work, but I'm confident in that I will lose confidence in myself by the time the day is over". |
| 02:48.16 | JademusSreg | I will make a template in library form. |
| 02:48.32 | JademusSreg | And will include instructions on how to use it. |
| 02:48.37 | IskatuMesk | oh boy |
| 02:48.41 | IskatuMesk | I have the perfect test subject |
| 02:49.42 | JademusSreg | So give me an hour or so, and I'll get back to you with something. I'll test it myself, since the amount of work involved in its operation is much lower than the previous defense AI shit. |
| 02:49.44 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:49.52 | IskatuMesk | sure. |
| 02:50.01 | IskatuMesk | By the way, I am 69% confident the defense thing is working. |
| 02:50.17 | DarkOrbis | :( |
| 02:52.08 | egod | WHAT A ADVENTURE |
| 02:52.44 | egod | actuelly bounty, dustin helped me with Sprites engine |
| 02:52.45 | Bounty | We slaid many a bush |
| 02:53.00 | egod | he made the angle system |
| 02:53.10 | egod | and i made the action sword attack and stuff |
| 02:54.15 | Bounty | nice |
| 02:55.03 | egod | i dont want to make a map that blizzard gonna ban for copyright lol waste of time |
| 02:55.15 | IskatuMesk | Blizzard would ban me so fast if my stuff was on battle.net. |
| 02:55.25 | IskatuMesk | I say naughty words and use gigabytes of data. |
| 02:55.56 | Bounty | Well no map has ever been banned for copyright egod |
| 02:56.01 | Bounty | as long as you're not charging for it |
| 02:56.09 | egod | true |
| 02:56.10 | egod | well |
| 02:56.12 | IskatuMesk | And chances are I'm going to have to have someone hex edit my maps to fake them as Blizzard maps so I have access to their save functions |
| 02:56.23 | Vailreth | 47 of 100 effects done |
| 02:57.37 | IskatuMesk | Blimey. I'm going to need to make a library thing. |
| 02:57.47 | IskatuMesk | Like, a literal library, explaining all of the new gooey bits |
| 03:03.15 | DarkOrbis | well, I guess no more map work tonight then :( |
| 03:04.17 | egod | my idea on zelda map was like Legend Open RPG, farm Orb to get better Sword effet by cutting bush and exploring cavern/castle lol imagine the popularity, whatever |
| 03:04.18 | IskatuMesk | Death by lethal goat injection. |
| 03:04.28 | DarkOrbis | since no one is gonna help me |
| 03:04.40 | egod | darkorbis |
| 03:04.44 | egod | we tryed |
| 03:04.46 | egod | well |
| 03:04.52 | egod | upload you map i wanna see |
| 03:05.06 | DarkOrbis | its already published |
| 03:05.12 | egod | what the name |
| 03:05.20 | DarkOrbis | its not public |
| 03:05.27 | egod | k inv me |
| 03:05.34 | DarkOrbis | US only |
| 03:05.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster Reactorex (~quassel@66.185.72.126) |
| 03:05.48 | egod | im in sc2mapster channel |
| 03:05.50 | egod | just inv |
| 03:05.51 | DarkOrbis | name? |
| 03:05.59 | egod | egod |
| 03:08.11 | egod | inv bounty |
| 03:08.15 | Bounty | no |
| 03:08.17 | Bounty | fuck that gy |
| 03:08.20 | egod | yes come |
| 03:08.54 | DarkOrbis | he wants me to only do my stuff with triggers not data |
| 03:09.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:09.08 | Bounty | what an idiot |
| 03:09.16 | DarkOrbis | the entire spell is already in data as it is |
| 03:09.18 | Bounty | the only thing i said to do in triggers was apply the behavior,, the rest was data |
| 03:09.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Net_Creator (~quassel@66.185.72.126) |
| 03:09.34 | egod | rehost |
| 03:09.47 | egod | let me check that |
| 03:10.30 | egod | well |
| 03:10.35 | egod | i clicking marine and he shoot |
| 03:10.40 | egod | so what the problrm |
| 03:11.12 | egod | you have to click a unit i guess?< |
| 03:11.45 | egod | oh |
| 03:11.48 | egod | its fuk top |
| 03:11.53 | Bounty | lol wtf |
| 03:16.45 | egod | Bounty |
| 03:16.48 | egod | his map work |
| 03:16.56 | Bounty | ok? |
| 03:16.57 | egod | everything fuking work |
| 03:19.22 | Bounty | I asked if the map sucked or not egod |
| 03:19.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:19.30 | egod | nah it work |
| 03:19.34 | Bounty | no |
| 03:19.35 | egod | fuk that |
| 03:19.36 | Bounty | i know it works |
| 03:19.38 | Bounty | but does it suck |
| 03:19.39 | egod | hahaha |
| 03:19.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:19.43 | egod | nah its cool |
| 03:19.50 | Bounty | what is it? |
| 03:19.54 | egod | well |
| 03:20.03 | egod | you have a marine and you shoot tank |
| 03:20.09 | Bounty | lol? |
| 03:20.17 | egod | he complain about the marine (slide) when shooting |
| 03:20.23 | egod | but its because the marine move to fast |
| 03:20.27 | egod | im pretty sure |
| 03:23.16 | egod | k im done with this map |
| 03:23.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:24.20 | egod | the funny thing is |
| 03:24.33 | egod | we try to help him for like 5 hours and everything work fine |
| 03:24.38 | JademusSreg | Testing. |
| 03:24.39 | Bounty | hahhahahahhaha |
| 03:24.42 | egod | seriously |
| 03:24.58 | egod | the marine just move to fast |
| 03:25.01 | egod | so he slide |
| 03:26.39 | IskatuMesk | LOL |
| 03:27.57 | DarkOrbis | let me try slow marine then |
| 03:28.05 | DarkOrbis | bet it fails though |
| 03:28.12 | egod | nah |
| 03:34.01 | Bounty | I think if i ever do another map again i'm going to remake Iconic Bosses |
| 03:34.11 | Bounty | Don't see any maps of that type around |
| 03:34.19 | Bounty | Untapped market |
| 03:34.33 | egod | iconic? |
| 03:34.53 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7-RkwnpFHM |
| 03:34.54 | Bounty | that ^ |
| 03:36.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Reactorex (~quassel@66.185.72.126) |
| 03:36.28 | egod | not sure |
| 03:36.34 | egod | well, korean didnt like |
| 03:36.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:36.47 | egod | baldur gate music |
| 03:36.56 | Bounty | Dragon Age |
| 03:36.59 | Bounty | + Baldur |
| 03:37.12 | Bounty | That was only the music for that scene |
| 03:37.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster ________________ (630a7b35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.10.123.53) |
| 03:37.20 | egod | hm |
| 03:37.22 | egod | well |
| 03:37.24 | ________________ | how can i reset a text value to default? |
| 03:37.27 | Bounty | the scene after that |
| 03:37.32 | Bounty | was Nova VS Tosh |
| 03:37.33 | ________________ | like in the text editor f8 screen |
| 03:37.36 | Bounty | and you were on Novas side |
| 03:37.38 | egod | you have a very good 3rd person engine you ahve to use for sure |
| 03:38.02 | Bounty | I would like to create the combo engine i want to do |
| 03:38.06 | Bounty | in that it supports holding of buttons |
| 03:38.10 | Bounty | like if you just click left click |
| 03:38.16 | Bounty | it does something |
| 03:38.20 | Bounty | but if u hold it, it does something else :) |
| 03:38.37 | Bounty | could be done with simple waits |
| 03:38.47 | Bounty | so it would impose a delay on top of whatever delay u already have |
| 03:39.12 | egod | you still have Trifaction? |
| 03:39.15 | egod | dont lie |
| 03:39.27 | Bounty | dont you think if i did i would be working on it after they fixed the drop bug |
| 03:39.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:39.36 | Bounty | and why do you ask |
| 03:39.56 | egod | because |
| 03:40.15 | egod | its probbaly the one that interest me the most |
| 03:40.17 | Bounty | because why |
| 03:40.36 | Bounty | well it would be a combat system similar to TriFaction |
| 03:40.38 | Bounty | only non linear |
| 03:40.43 | Bounty | a true combo system |
| 03:41.03 | Bounty | TriFaction used a linear combo system in that everytime you clicked you progressively got a different attack |
| 03:41.21 | Bounty | But you couldnt change how it went |
| 03:41.49 | egod | yeah but |
| 03:41.53 | egod | Melee attack look more cool |
| 03:42.02 | egod | i never see a map like that |
| 03:42.02 | Bounty | who says i wouldnt have melee attacks? |
| 03:42.07 | egod | its always shooting bang bang |
| 03:42.18 | Bounty | that was only the first class |
| 03:42.22 | Bounty | there was another class in the map |
| 03:42.26 | Bounty | he was melee |
| 03:42.29 | egod | k |
| 03:42.36 | Bounty | like he just had a short ranged shotgun |
| 03:42.38 | ________________ | so no1 knows how to set a text back to default after it's been changed? |
| 03:42.40 | Bounty | sort of |
| 03:42.41 | DarkOrbis | weird, in test mode, my guy stops attack animation after 1 play |
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| 03:43.08 | egod | did you try to slow the marine speed? |
| 03:43.11 | Bounty | but yes egod i do agree |
| 03:43.14 | Bounty | melee is much more fun |
| 03:43.24 | JademusSreg | Delete the entry. |
| 03:43.26 | Bounty | thats why in every battlefield egypt map people love the melee classes over all |
| 03:43.30 | DarkOrbis | yea |
| 03:43.34 | Bounty | ppl always love the zealot and zeratul lol |
| 03:43.47 | egod | fuk battlefield, it lag lol |
| 03:43.47 | DarkOrbis | but standing still it only plays attack once then stop |
| 03:43.54 | Bounty | no it doesnt |
| 03:43.57 | Bounty | you even said so yourself it doesnt |
| 03:43.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:44.09 | egod | it doest when no one die |
| 03:44.15 | ________________ | But then it's nothing o.o |
| 03:44.22 | Bounty | that was prolly a glitch in my trigger code |
| 03:44.28 | ________________ | I want to reset a standard value that I accidentally changed |
| 03:45.16 | Bounty | I wonder if i could just put my entire third person engine into a mod |
| 03:45.21 | Bounty | so i dont have to keep remaking it everytime i make a new map |
| 03:45.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:45.30 | Currydevil | sure.. trigger lib? |
| 03:45.42 | Bounty | and you just save it as a mod right? |
| 03:45.48 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 03:45.55 | egod | Bounty you should make a kind of Arena Battle with Round with trifaction, that would be cool, with stage and boss, medieval style with wow model |
| 03:46.10 | Bounty | i'm never using wow models again |
| 03:46.16 | Bounty | just for the fact i dont have wow installed atm |
| 03:46.17 | egod | why not |
| 03:46.25 | Bounty | i dont feel like DLing it |
| 03:46.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:46.35 | egod | you try Diablo3 beta model? |
| 03:46.39 | Bounty | no |
| 03:46.43 | Bounty | didnt know they were out yet? |
| 03:46.59 | egod | i saw a tutorial woth doodas D3 model, idontknow if we can export hero |
| 03:47.03 | Bounty | I only used WoW models bc of the animations |
| 03:47.08 | Bounty | u have like 200-300 animations |
| 03:47.18 | egod | how you active them? |
| 03:47.26 | Bounty | you rename them in the exporter |
| 03:47.33 | Bounty | to something that SC2 understands |
| 03:47.36 | DarkOrbis | converting D3 models are only static, no animations |
| 03:47.38 | egod | like? |
| 03:47.42 | Bounty | like |
| 03:47.45 | Bounty | Unpowered |
| 03:47.46 | Bounty | Attack |
| 03:47.48 | Bounty | Stand |
| 03:47.49 | Bounty | Work |
| 03:47.51 | Bounty | etc |
| 03:47.56 | egod | hm |
| 03:48.00 | DarkOrbis | plus my map is sci-fi based, not fantasy |
| 03:48.01 | Bounty | its very easy |
| 03:48.10 | Bounty | its just a matter of you ahve to do it for every single model |
| 03:48.26 | Bounty | getting all those models into trifaction with the proper animations selected and renamed |
| 03:48.27 | Bounty | took days |
| 03:48.34 | egod | it sound like my Zelda sprites, everymove = 1 image |
| 03:48.37 | egod | long...zzzz |
| 03:48.52 | Bounty | I mean i dont know what i want to do |
| 03:49.00 | Bounty | part of me wants to do another pvp map |
| 03:49.03 | Bounty | but not battlefield egypt |
| 03:49.05 | Bounty | something new |
| 03:49.17 | egod | nah |
| 03:49.28 | egod | melee RPG style 3rd person view would be EPIC |
| 03:49.30 | DarkOrbis | grr, attack no longer works right :( |
| 03:49.31 | Sevenix | Battlefield Syria |
| 03:49.31 | egod | seriously |
| 03:49.40 | IskatuMesk | I don't just convert models, I do normal maps and emissives and such for them, too. So that takes even longer. |
| 03:49.46 | Bounty | i'm not good enough with the editor to do a full blown rpg |
| 03:49.49 | Bounty | inventory etc |
| 03:49.54 | Bounty | i could do a non item rpg |
| 03:49.56 | Bounty | easily |
| 03:49.58 | Bounty | but thats about it |
| 03:50.11 | Bounty | also |
| 03:50.15 | Bounty | lol@Sevenix |
| 03:50.17 | Bounty | >< |
| 03:50.17 | egod | you dont need items, just collectable stuff to change you attack |
| 03:50.28 | egod | so people farm farm over and over |
| 03:50.33 | egod | more play time for you |
| 03:50.41 | Bounty | nah i would just make shit loads of content |
| 03:50.41 | DarkOrbis | damn animations |
| 03:50.46 | Bounty | and that u have to level |
| 03:50.48 | Bounty | to see it all |
| 03:51.02 | Bounty | i REALLY like how Jetforce Gemini worked |
| 03:51.08 | Bounty | You had to rescue tribals on each level |
| 03:51.16 | egod | omg this is old |
| 03:51.18 | Bounty | and at the end you couldnt get to the last levels unless u had rescured a certain amount |
| 03:51.27 | Bounty | i think thats a good idea |
| 03:51.31 | Bounty | for keeping players coming back |
| 03:51.34 | egod | your a big fans of RARE |
| 03:51.37 | Bounty | to rescue all the civillians |
| 03:51.40 | Bounty | old rare yes |
| 03:51.52 | Bounty | I played Jetforce Gemini more than Perfect dark and Goldeneye |
| 03:51.56 | Bounty | such a good game |
| 03:52.12 | egod | i finish Jetforce Gemini on 64 |
| 03:52.14 | egod | i buy it |
| 03:52.30 | Bounty | i never finished it |
| 03:52.33 | Bounty | finding all them tribals man |
| 03:52.35 | Bounty | so hard |
| 03:52.39 | egod | lol |
| 03:52.40 | Bounty | n thats what im saying |
| 03:52.43 | Bounty | for popularity |
| 03:52.47 | ________________ | JademusSreg: thank you, you were right |
| 03:52.47 | Bounty | thats a good system |
| 03:52.55 | egod | yeah well |
| 03:53.01 | egod | find stuff or collect stuff |
| 03:53.05 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:53.05 | egod | its same thing |
| 03:53.09 | Bounty | and level up >< |
| 03:53.15 | Bounty | thats what i wanted to do |
| 03:53.18 | Bounty | 4 classes |
| 03:53.20 | Bounty | up to 4 player co op |
| 03:53.21 | egod | level up is easy, but what level up gonna give you? |
| 03:53.34 | Bounty | more power? derp |
| 03:53.40 | egod | nah |
| 03:53.46 | Bounty | or i could just make it so as you progress you find new weapons/skills |
| 03:54.13 | egod | did you try a WoW skybox? |
| 03:54.41 | egod | there is some skybox very crazy |
| 03:54.48 | egod | with your engine |
| 03:54.50 | egod | blow mind |
| 03:54.59 | egod | korean will like |
| 03:55.12 | egod | alright so |
| 03:55.42 | egod | Do a RPG-hack and slash 3rd person melee with collectable or finding stuff |
| 03:56.00 | egod | no items, but powerfull attack main weapon upgraded |
| 03:56.12 | egod | you can do like diablo for this, 4xtype of resis |
| 03:56.24 | egod | poison/lignt/fire/cold |
| 03:56.33 | egod | each monster you hit have some resis |
| 03:57.13 | egod | you start with 0 skill |
| 03:57.19 | egod | you will have to find them |
| 03:57.21 | egod | ! |
| 03:57.36 | DarkOrbis | egod, new patch |
| 03:57.43 | egod | new patach? |
| 03:57.50 | DarkOrbis | for my project |
| 03:58.02 | egod | i just shut down my computer |
| 03:58.06 | egod | sorry |
| 03:58.19 | egod | did you fix it? |
| 03:58.27 | DarkOrbis | if thats true then you can't be on irc |
| 03:58.35 | egod | 2xcomp |
| 03:58.45 | egod | 1 play SC2 other Chat/Ventrilo/Skype and shit |
| 03:58.59 | egod | porn to |
| 03:59.15 | DarkOrbis | sorta fixed |
| 03:59.22 | egod | he still slide? |
| 03:59.29 | DarkOrbis | no |
| 03:59.36 | egod | i was right? |
| 03:59.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-124.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:59.54 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 04:00.01 | DarkOrbis | when the unit rotates animation facing doesn't face in the exact direction |
| 04:00.18 | DarkOrbis | looks off |
| 04:00.25 | egod | it worked before |
| 04:00.35 | DarkOrbis | :/ |
| 04:01.56 | DarkOrbis | missile still doesn't look right either |
| 04:02.18 | egod | time to sleep, bounty check what i writed its what you ahve to do |
| 04:05.01 | Bounty | What do you JademusSreg? about what egod said |
| 04:08.31 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:08.46 | Bounty | [23:54] <egod> did you try a WoW skybox? [23:54] <egod> there is some skybox very crazy [23:54] <egod> with your engine [23:54] <egod> blow mind [23:54] <egod> korean will like [23:55] <egod> alright so [23:55] <egod> Do a RPG-hack and slash 3rd person melee with collectable or finding stuff [23:55] <egod> no items, but powerfull attack main weapon upgraded [23:56] <egod> you can do like diablo for this, 4xtype of resis |
| 04:11.28 | IskatuMesk | interns |
| 04:12.28 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a bunch of unrelated sentence fragments. |
| 04:13.07 | JademusSreg | Alright, Mesk. Tested my solution and it works. |
| 04:13.17 | JademusSreg | Now I just need to make the library. |
| 04:21.20 | IskatuMesk | o rly |
| 04:21.24 | IskatuMesk | you have ravens performing decently? |
| 04:21.27 | IskatuMesk | this I need to see. |
| 04:21.46 | IskatuMesk | Casuals would weep tears of blood if they had any idea what I'm planning to do with this. |
| 04:24.55 | JademusSreg | Not Ravens; my tests were done in a demo map I was working on, and it just happen to complement my work. |
| 04:25.08 | IskatuMesk | Oh. Now I'm confused. |
| 04:25.10 | JademusSreg | I made units use a custom ability. |
| 04:25.25 | JademusSreg | Don't worry about the details yet. |
| 04:25.58 | JademusSreg | The library will explain how to make use of it and make Ravens less dumb. |
| 04:26.09 | JademusSreg | OR rather, how you can use it to make them less dumb. |
| 04:26.37 | IskatuMesk | Is it possible to work such a thing into a mod file? |
| 04:27.45 | JademusSreg | Absolutely. |
| 04:29.10 | IskatuMesk | Excellent. |
| 04:32.27 | JademusSreg | I must say, these AIs are written rather inefficiently. |
| 04:32.45 | Bounty | Is there anything you see that is not done by you JademusSreg that you see as efficient |
| 04:33.33 | JademusSreg | Most of the code I write isn't optimally efficient. |
| 04:34.08 | JademusSreg | Optimally efficient coding practices take a long time to habituate, a life-time perhaps. |
| 04:34.21 | IskatuMesk | Blizzard is horrible at programming, nothing new there sir |
| 04:34.40 | IskatuMesk | Also their animators, UV mappers, and modelers are bad. |
| 04:34.41 | Bounty | Yet their games run amazing on all PC's |
| 04:34.50 | Bounty | kind of wierd |
| 04:34.58 | IskatuMesk | Nah. |
| 04:35.08 | Bounty | Perhaps, 100% efficient coding does not matter? |
| 04:35.10 | IskatuMesk | WoW is still more resource hungry than unreal 3 engine games |
| 04:35.11 | Bounty | at all |
| 04:35.17 | ________________ | Hmmm, is there a way to modify the attributes that the trigger GUI shows for units? Like Air, ground, etc. Not the Data attribute name but the trigger GUI attribute name |
| 04:35.28 | IskatuMesk | and sc2 isn't exactly efficient in performance |
| 04:35.32 | Bounty | i disagree |
| 04:35.34 | Bounty | so much |
| 04:35.39 | Bounty | i ran WoW on my old PC |
| 04:35.44 | Bounty | wasnt even a dual core |
| 04:35.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:35.49 | IskatuMesk | I ran UT3 on a 9800 pro. |
| 04:35.49 | Bounty | ran fine |
| 04:36.14 | Bounty | Think of it like this |
| 04:36.33 | Bounty | You guys sit in here saying how things are inefficient etc blah blah they suc |
| 04:36.37 | Bounty | But who is making all the money |
| 04:36.41 | Bounty | >< |
| 04:36.42 | IskatuMesk | Publishers? |
| 04:36.47 | Bounty | not really |
| 04:36.51 | IskatuMesk | Sure they are. |
| 04:36.59 | Bounty | ALL |
| 04:37.03 | IskatuMesk | And I've had many offers to go into the industry. |
| 04:37.04 | Bounty | i dont think so |
| 04:37.09 | Bounty | and why didnt you |
| 04:37.11 | IskatuMesk | As it turns out, I don't want any part of it. |
| 04:37.19 | Bounty | because it would crush your dreams |
| 04:37.20 | Bounty | right? |
| 04:37.21 | IskatuMesk | I hate the industry and what it has become |
| 04:37.26 | Bounty | good boy |
| 04:37.27 | Bounty | <3 |
| 04:37.35 | Bounty | you made the right decision for the right reason lol |
| 04:37.39 | Bounty | i <3 you already |
| 04:37.45 | IskatuMesk | oddly enough, they wanted my 3d skills and not my audio ones |
| 04:38.01 | IskatuMesk | but I've had a few offers for that too |
| 04:38.03 | Bounty | The way the industry is at the moment is why not even i consider video games art |
| 04:38.04 | IskatuMesk | just not as many |
| 04:38.08 | IskatuMesk | yep. |
| 04:38.14 | IskatuMesk | I do what I do because I am trying to build an experience |
| 04:38.19 | Bounty | Exactly |
| 04:38.26 | Bounty | and you cant do that if you work in the industry |
| 04:38.30 | Bounty | you are told what to do |
| 04:38.46 | IskatuMesk | You have to cut corners and meet the demands of publishers regardless of what part of the chain you are in |
| 04:38.46 | Bounty | Thats like being a painter and someone says paint me the same painting you did last year only add some clouds |
| 04:38.52 | Bounty | and you're like no |
| 04:38.53 | Bounty | fuck that |
| 04:38.56 | Bounty | so he goes |
| 04:38.58 | Bounty | ok, you're fired |
| 04:39.03 | IskatuMesk | yeah |
| 04:39.05 | IskatuMesk | pretty much |
| 04:39.17 | Bounty | I get that question all the time |
| 04:39.25 | Bounty | Why i never went to school to learn coding etc |
| 04:39.30 | Bounty | to get into the industry |
| 04:39.31 | Bounty | thats why |
| 04:39.32 | Bounty | plus |
| 04:39.34 | Bounty | fuck california |
| 04:39.37 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 04:39.39 | Bounty | no offense to anyone that lives there |
| 04:39.46 | Bounty | its just not my type of place |
| 04:40.00 | Bounty | its just like my state only tons of lame celebs + higher cost of living |
| 04:40.25 | Bounty | If i were you Iskatu |
| 04:40.31 | Bounty | I would make myself the next Notch |
| 04:40.37 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 04:40.43 | Bounty | Not kidding lol |
| 04:40.45 | IskatuMesk | I'm not interested in money |
| 04:40.47 | Bounty | If you're idea is good enough |
| 04:40.49 | IskatuMesk | and don't have any programming skills |
| 04:40.52 | Bounty | You dont need anyone else |
| 04:40.55 | Bounty | oh |
| 04:40.57 | IskatuMesk | so I do what I can with every bit of resources |
| 04:41.01 | Bounty | then how were you offered jobs in the industry? |
| 04:41.11 | IskatuMesk | 3d models, voice acting, audio engineering |
| 04:41.22 | Bounty | ah |
| 04:41.33 | Bounty | yeah those are not the most creative areas to work |
| 04:41.39 | Bounty | i doubt you have ANY say in those areas |
| 04:41.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:41.49 | IskatuMesk | Programming would probably be even worse because you'll be forced into the worst possible coding ethics |
| 04:42.25 | IskatuMesk | you can be lazy in graphics or audio but being lazy in coding is just a shitstorm waiting to catapult itself into everyone's face |
| 04:42.29 | Bounty | Well yeah you would have to code in a way that the other devs/coders could understand |
| 04:42.34 | IskatuMesk | and developers love lazy these days |
| 04:42.50 | JademusSreg | Man, do I hate using GUI, haha. |
| 04:43.02 | Bounty | I like this kid JademusSreg |
| 04:43.07 | Bounty | Hes good people |
| 04:43.14 | Bounty | Never seen him before but hes good people |
| 04:43.15 | Bounty | >< |
| 04:43.30 | Bounty | We need more people like you in here |
| 04:43.31 | IskatuMesk | sc2mapster is far off the beaten path for me |
| 04:43.39 | Bounty | What do you mean? |
| 04:43.43 | IskatuMesk | but I've been doing mod work since 1999 |
| 04:43.57 | IskatuMesk | I don't go to the site much, much less the IRC |
| 04:44.55 | IskatuMesk | only because jademus is here and he's the only person I know with the answers I need :P |
| 04:45.24 | IskatuMesk | Every other person I asked everywhere in regards to the campaign AI defense just gave me a blank stare. "Wuts a campane???" |
| 04:46.03 | Currydevil | is that like the drink? |
| 04:46.09 | IskatuMesk | Yes. |
| 04:46.14 | Currydevil | schweet |
| 04:47.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Parthon (~cheeeese@godsta.arach.net.au) |
| 04:47.32 | Currydevil | Pour me a nice glass of campaign then |
| 04:48.31 | IskatuMesk | This will be like drinking an entire bear. |
| 04:50.19 | Bounty | I've been drinking an interesting mix tonight |
| 04:50.25 | Bounty | Surprisingly delicious |
| 04:50.32 | Bounty | Red Wine and Pepsi |
| 04:50.38 | Bounty | Apparently = Cherry Pepsi |
| 04:50.44 | Currydevil | Heh |
| 04:50.50 | Bounty | Its DANGEROUSLY good |
| 04:50.52 | Bounty | ifyou know what i mean |
| 04:51.00 | Bounty | trying to be careful |
| 04:51.18 | Bounty | but i mean hey, its 10 dollar red wine |
| 04:51.19 | Bounty | fuck it |
| 04:51.25 | Bounty | not like it was that good to begin with |
| 04:51.40 | Bounty | So IskatuMesk |
| 04:51.43 | Bounty | What have you created |
| 04:52.03 | IskatuMesk | I made total conversions for Brood War all the way up to 2009 |
| 04:52.12 | IskatuMesk | I worked with Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 as well, to a lesser extent |
| 04:52.16 | Bounty | You mean the BW map? |
| 04:52.17 | Bounty | for sc2? |
| 04:52.22 | IskatuMesk | no. |
| 04:52.24 | IskatuMesk | I mean the game. |
| 04:52.30 | Bounty | oh |
| 04:52.36 | Bounty | Well have you done anything for SC2? |
| 04:53.00 | IskatuMesk | I experimented with it in beta and performed a lot of performance-related testing post-release, and experimented with putting graphics into it |
| 04:53.07 | IskatuMesk | only recently have I started a project with it though. |
| 04:53.21 | Bounty | You should join my ranks |
| 04:53.26 | Bounty | aka i mean the genre i work in |
| 04:53.30 | Bounty | I'm the only one atm lol |
| 04:53.35 | IskatuMesk | wat |
| 04:53.48 | Bounty | Third Person Shooters/Action |
| 04:53.51 | IskatuMesk | oh. |
| 04:53.57 | IskatuMesk | I didn't like the performance I got with third person |
| 04:53.58 | JademusSreg | Naw, Mesk goes for polish and quality over prolific output. |
| 04:54.10 | Bounty | I have the best engine atm |
| 04:54.13 | IskatuMesk | my intentions was indeed to make a TPS |
| 04:54.14 | Bounty | runs very well |
| 04:54.15 | JademusSreg | Bounty is a rabbit, if rabbits fucked and made SC2 maps. |
| 04:54.17 | IskatuMesk | back at release |
| 04:54.24 | IskatuMesk | but the farclip was always a pain in the ass |
| 04:54.24 | Bounty | things have changed sicne release |
| 04:54.30 | Bounty | piece of cake |
| 04:54.33 | Bounty | with the farclip |
| 04:54.37 | IskatuMesk | Did they fix the skybox bugs? |
| 04:54.47 | Bounty | not sure which ones you talk about but yeah sure |
| 04:54.51 | Bounty | i have not had any issues |
| 04:54.59 | IskatuMesk | Well, I always use the biggest mapsizes. So the farclip had to be pretty small |
| 04:55.01 | IskatuMesk | and this broke the skybox |
| 04:55.09 | IskatuMesk | and particles freaked out with depth of field against the non-existent skybox |
| 04:55.10 | Bounty | Nah |
| 04:55.13 | Bounty | what you do is |
| 04:55.18 | Bounty | you shrink everythign to about 1/4th size |
| 04:55.26 | Bounty | So you have even more mapspace |
| 04:55.37 | Bounty | then you make a skybox model that follows the player |
| 04:55.41 | Bounty | like their own personal sky |
| 04:55.46 | Bounty | and you blend it with fog |
| 04:55.53 | Bounty | you can get the farclip down to about 40-70 |
| 04:56.08 | Bounty | like this =P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMVG2b0khY |
| 04:56.19 | IskatuMesk | Mine was around 50-60 yeah. |
| 04:56.27 | Bounty | no skybox though =P |
| 04:56.42 | IskatuMesk | http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5544/terrain006i.jpg |
| 04:56.56 | IskatuMesk | I had ways to get graphics from just about anything into sc2. But the exporter isn't really finished. |
| 04:57.01 | Bounty | .... |
| 04:57.03 | IskatuMesk | It doesn't work with some of them, takes hours to export, etc |
| 04:57.05 | Bounty | you made that model? |
| 04:57.12 | IskatuMesk | I made the normals for it, that's about it |
| 04:57.16 | IskatuMesk | let me find one I made |
| 04:57.32 | Bounty | watch mah vidya |
| 04:57.34 | Bounty | >< |
| 04:57.39 | Bounty | its what i do around here |
| 04:58.03 | IskatuMesk | http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7186/screenshot2010090221274.jpg |
| 04:58.13 | IskatuMesk | mind the broken faces - one of the exporter's many bugs |
| 04:58.33 | Bounty | Looks fine to me |
| 04:58.58 | IskatuMesk | yeah your skyboxes are definitely way better looking then what I had |
| 04:59.12 | IskatuMesk | now for my wow models I was reskinning them, giving them custom weapons and normal maps and such |
| 04:59.18 | IskatuMesk | that dragon is from lineage 2 |
| 04:59.28 | Bounty | Ah |
| 04:59.39 | IskatuMesk | http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7945/screenshot2010090322410.jpg |
| 04:59.54 | IskatuMesk | My TPS map focused mostly on performance testing |
| 05:00.09 | IskatuMesk | e.g., how far I could push stuff before it started really suffering on performance |
| 05:00.22 | Bounty | TriFaction had infinite support of unit count lol |
| 05:00.24 | IskatuMesk | the performance was pretty terrible |
| 05:00.28 | Currydevil | Antharas! the world dragon |
| 05:00.35 | IskatuMesk | yep. |
| 05:00.41 | Bounty | I saw armies of up to 100+ in some games of TriFaction |
| 05:00.42 | Bounty | ran fine |
| 05:00.45 | Currydevil | took a raid of ~400 ppl about 2 hours to beat the first time |
| 05:01.00 | IskatuMesk | http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/7808/terrain013.jpg Some more of the bugs I encountered |
| 05:01.35 | Bounty | those seem minor to me |
| 05:02.05 | IskatuMesk | They are really big weighting issues of some kind |
| 05:02.10 | IskatuMesk | looked horrible to me. |
| 05:02.22 | Bounty | well yeah, you're a modeller |
| 05:02.23 | Bounty | >< |
| 05:02.31 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/NF4av.jpg |
| 05:02.33 | Dustin | IskatuMesk |
| 05:02.43 | Dustin | You're a modeler? |
| 05:02.56 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/woTYK.jpg |
| 05:02.58 | Bounty | no hes just linking random images of models |
| 05:03.17 | IskatuMesk | These ships are from my last project, Black Sun |
| 05:03.32 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/ZHjI5.jpg |
| 05:03.33 | Dustin | Nice! |
| 05:03.46 | Bounty | I feel sorry for you Iskatu |
| 05:03.46 | IskatuMesk | Not a texture artist, though. |
| 05:03.59 | Bounty | In that sc2 modding sucks |
| 05:04.05 | Repo | New map: Fortress of Multitude - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/fortress-multitude/ |
| 05:04.05 | Repo | New map: Templex - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/templex/ |
| 05:04.08 | IskatuMesk | indeed |
| 05:04.27 | Bounty | Is Repo a bot or something |
| 05:04.38 | IskatuMesk | http://i.imgur.com/ILXUz.jpg |
| 05:05.09 | Bounty | Man |
| 05:05.14 | Bounty | the shit i could do if i had models like that |
| 05:05.39 | Dustin | I just need a civilian model I can attach shit to |
| 05:05.53 | Dustin | with an animation like hes holding a gun and an attack animation |
| 05:06.00 | IskatuMesk | So basically, in sc2, if I convert lineage 2 or wow models, I'll be remodeling their armor and weapons and such |
| 05:06.19 | IskatuMesk | but I need the exporter to be... more complete |
| 05:06.19 | Bounty | i <3 wow models |
| 05:06.26 | Bounty | just from an animation point of view |
| 05:06.34 | Bounty | standard sc2 model has like 8 animations |
| 05:06.39 | Bounty | wow models have about 200 |
| 05:07.12 | IskatuMesk | http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/338/0/f/ITAS_Starship_Sprite_Sheet_by_IskatuMesk.jpg |
| 05:07.16 | IskatuMesk | for Brood War |
| 05:07.22 | IskatuMesk | most of those are 2004-era |
| 05:07.47 | Bounty | Why are you here? |
| 05:07.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:08.03 | IskatuMesk | I had reached the limits of what I could do with BW many years ago |
| 05:08.14 | IskatuMesk | unless I learned reverse engineering there was no more I could do |
| 05:08.14 | Bounty | Granted but |
| 05:08.25 | Bounty | There is little to no audience for mods in sc2 |
| 05:08.31 | IskatuMesk | I'm not interested in audience |
| 05:08.36 | Bounty | They only want Tower Defense or Dotas |
| 05:08.37 | IskatuMesk | my project is private |
| 05:08.44 | Bounty | interesting |
| 05:08.54 | IskatuMesk | like I said, I want to make an experience. I have a private group and that's all I really need |
| 05:09.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:09.07 | Bounty | You seeing this JadmeusSreg? |
| 05:09.11 | Bounty | Its like Bizarro Bounty |
| 05:09.18 | Bounty | the complete opposite of me |
| 05:09.23 | IskatuMesk | he knows me to a degree |
| 05:09.48 | Currydevil | I think maybe i'll start working on stratego after this map Bounty |
| 05:09.58 | Bounty | I would say he knows me but i doubt he ever speaks of me when i'm not speaking to him |
| 05:10.00 | Bounty | Good Curry |
| 05:10.03 | Bounty | please do |
| 05:10.07 | Bounty | ill tell the shit out of it |
| 05:10.10 | Bounty | test* |
| 05:10.15 | Currydevil | haha. alright. |
| 05:10.19 | Bounty | but |
| 05:10.25 | Bounty | want to know my suggestion for the name? |
| 05:10.37 | Dustin | Startego |
| 05:10.40 | Bounty | fdsFKAJDFds |
| 05:10.41 | Bounty | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 05:10.45 | Bounty | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 05:10.49 | Bounty | you son of a bitch |
| 05:10.54 | Dustin | :D |
| 05:10.56 | Bounty | you stole my thunder |
| 05:10.58 | Bounty | hardcore |
| 05:11.05 | Bounty | Here i was thinking |
| 05:11.08 | Bounty | ok its called Stratego |
| 05:11.17 | Bounty | WHO COULD EVER THINK TO SWITCH THE A and R? |
| 05:11.21 | Bounty | I was wrong |
| 05:11.31 | Currydevil | lol |
| 05:11.39 | Bounty | but yeah, thats what you should name it |
| 05:11.42 | Currydevil | ok |
| 05:12.15 | Bounty | i look forward to it, effing love that boardgame |
| 05:12.25 | Currydevil | Indeed. |
| 05:12.42 | Bounty | and i love the skit Robot Chicken did on it lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPGKOvFWzRk |
| 05:14.26 | Currydevil | lmaio |
| 05:14.29 | Currydevil | that's fun |
| 05:14.34 | Bounty | lolol |
| 05:14.46 | Bounty | but i used a better...stratego. |
| 05:14.54 | Currydevil | "Victory wil be our... " " Hey guys I got it! I got it!" |
| 05:14.59 | Bounty | haha |
| 05:15.08 | Currydevil | But we're creaming you! |
| 05:16.12 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure this should work: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/AI%20Think%20Action%20Template.SC2Lib |
| 05:16.13 | Bounty | Scouts are so OP in the new game |
| 05:16.20 | Bounty | thye can move like Rooks in chess |
| 05:16.44 | Currydevil | i remember they could move any # of spaces |
| 05:16.46 | IskatuMesk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWyUWb5wpPE |
| 05:16.49 | Bounty | yeah |
| 05:16.53 | IskatuMesk | that shows some outtakes from Black Sun. |
| 05:16.57 | Bounty | but in the original they couldnt |
| 05:17.05 | Bounty | by original i mean before we were born |
| 05:17.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:17.15 | Currydevil | lol |
| 05:17.27 | IskatuMesk | Skip to about 9:00 through for the major edited stuff. |
| 05:17.35 | Currydevil | Well, the one I played was around 2000-01 |
| 05:17.38 | IskatuMesk | The stuff before that is a huge amount of unedited tests I was going through |
| 05:17.46 | Bounty | Yeah that was around the last time i played aswell |
| 05:18.07 | Bounty | I forget what the rules were for same ranked combat |
| 05:18.29 | Bounty | I know that if you were a spy and you attacked yo ualways win, but if you get attacked you always lose |
| 05:18.36 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 05:18.38 | IskatuMesk | Ok Jademus. What am I doing with this? Importing into my mod and chanting? |
| 05:18.41 | JademusSreg | Of course, as it says in the instructions, it doesn't do much by itself. But once the action is copy-pasted, you rename it to something appropriate, and its identifier is added to the unit's tactical function, you'll never need to call it. |
| 05:18.59 | JademusSreg | The AI calls it automatically. |
| 05:19.02 | Currydevil | hmm my orange and yellow zergling skins are too similar =( |
| 05:20.16 | JademusSreg | So once you implement it properly (copy paste, rename, determine its true identifier based on the instructions provided, add the true identifier to the AI : Tactical AI Function in the unit data), you'll be able to define the unit's AI. |
| 05:20.24 | IskatuMesk | How do I even see the instructions? |
| 05:20.33 | JademusSreg | By which I mean do all the actual work involved in its logical decision making. |
| 05:20.38 | JademusSreg | Click on it. |
| 05:20.47 | IskatuMesk | Is this a new trigger? |
| 05:20.57 | JademusSreg | It's not a trigger. |
| 05:21.05 | IskatuMesk | Libraries can be not triggers? |
| 05:21.06 | JademusSreg | And it's not an action that is ever called. |
| 05:21.42 | JademusSreg | It is an action template, predefined with the necessary parameters that make it valid for a tactical function. |
| 05:21.49 | IskatuMesk | A... wat |
| 05:22.02 | JademusSreg | So you right click, copy, then paste it in the trigger frame in the bottom left. |
| 05:22.15 | IskatuMesk | ok let's take a step back sir |
| 05:22.22 | IskatuMesk | I imported the library into the mod. |
| 05:22.25 | IskatuMesk | I don't see anything. |
| 05:22.32 | IskatuMesk | Am I making a trigger for this? What am I copying? |
| 05:23.04 | JademusSreg | You should see in the library folder Instructions and AI Think Action Template. |
| 05:23.11 | IskatuMesk | I don't see a library folder. |
| 05:23.19 | JademusSreg | In the top right. |
| 05:23.19 | Currydevil | you have "show libraries" turned on in View? |
| 05:23.23 | JademusSreg | *top left |
| 05:23.55 | IskatuMesk | That was it curry. |
| 05:23.57 | IskatuMesk | Thanks. |
| 05:24.00 | IskatuMesk | Now I feel a little more stupid. |
| 05:24.10 | Currydevil | you're welcome. Hah, don't worry |
| 05:24.19 | Currydevil | I tried adding some triggers to my mod and realized you can't |
| 05:24.26 | Currydevil | Unless you add them as a library |
| 05:24.38 | IskatuMesk | That may be why I never saw the other library too. |
| 05:24.43 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:24.45 | IskatuMesk | But I managed to get by without it that time |
| 05:24.46 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:26.35 | IskatuMesk | Okay. So if I understand this correctly (I probably don't), this is basically a trigger that is fired and overrides the tactical data when an ability is initiated. |
| 05:26.43 | JademusSreg | No. |
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| 05:26.57 | JademusSreg | But close. |
| 05:27.39 | JademusSreg | It's a function called by the reserved AI thread. |
| 05:27.48 | JademusSreg | But that's not important. |
| 05:29.18 | IskatuMesk | So, for the Raven, whose spells seem to be completely outside of data-based tactical AI, this could potentially be a disfiguring venture |
| 05:29.28 | JademusSreg | You define in the unit data which function the AI should call to make tactical decisions for that unit. That's all one needs to know, without getting overly technical. |
| 05:29.36 | JademusSreg | Not at all. |
| 05:29.46 | JademusSreg | The Raven has a function too. |
| 05:30.08 | JademusSreg | All the units with tactical AI functions have those functions embedded in the AI scripts. |
| 05:30.52 | IskatuMesk | Okay. Well... let's say I want them to drop turrets more often. How would I go about implementing that with this? |
| 05:30.54 | JademusSreg | By following the simple instructions in the library, you can in GUI make your own tactical AI functions for units. |
| 05:30.59 | IskatuMesk | or use defense drones |
| 05:31.14 | IskatuMesk | I have never touched tactical AI yet so this is very much outside of my current skill level |
| 05:31.23 | IskatuMesk | I took a few looks and just got more confused the more I looked |
| 05:31.32 | JademusSreg | You can do it the same way you'd do it for any other unit. |
| 05:32.04 | JademusSreg | But if you don't have much experience with SC2 triggers, it would be very difficult to explain. |
| 05:32.30 | IskatuMesk | I have basic experience with triggers. I can fool with music, transmissions, and make the AI build stuff with bullies and send attack waves. |
| 05:32.51 | IskatuMesk | Outside of that, sc2 is completely different from wc3 and I had only rudimentary knowledge with wc3 (mostly in how broken stuff was) |
| 05:34.49 | IskatuMesk | I mean, from looking at tactical AI, it looked really incomplete (or hardcoded) to me. |
| 05:35.04 | JademusSreg | Basically for each option, you'd check energy, cooldown if applicable, and if there's enough energy and its not on cooldown, you'd filter the Scan Group unitgroup via AI filter actions, to filter out units from the group that can't be targeted by the ability you're evaluating, using values like the ability target filters, and then you'd order the AI Unit to use the ability relative to a |
| 05:35.04 | JademusSreg | unit in the group, or use an AICast action or a variant. |
| 05:37.03 | IskatuMesk | Through the trigger or the tactical AI? |
| 05:37.45 | JademusSreg | Through the tactical AI action. |
| 05:37.50 | JademusSreg | Let me repeat, there is no trigger. |
| 05:38.06 | JademusSreg | You will not call this action; the AI does it automatically for the unit. |
| 05:38.18 | JademusSreg | All you have to do is make the action, and the AI will use it. |
| 05:38.30 | IskatuMesk | I get that part. I think. But how exactly does this interact with the tactical AI? |
| 05:38.37 | IskatuMesk | isn't the tactical AI sufficient to get stuff to cast spells? |
| 05:38.39 | JademusSreg | Well, make it and have the unit data reference it as described previously. |
| 05:38.44 | IskatuMesk | (I guess not, since the raven currently doesn't use it) |
| 05:38.56 | JademusSreg | This is the tactical AI, and the Raven does use it. |
| 05:39.06 | JademusSreg | It's tactical AI function is very conservative. |
| 05:39.29 | Bounty | New Action |
| 05:39.32 | IskatuMesk | Well, I meant in the data editor |
| 05:39.47 | Bounty | Initiate Jademus, IskatuMesk chat |
| 05:39.51 | JademusSreg | If you're refering to the AI : Tactical AI field that refers to the Tactical AI data type, that's unrelated. |
| 05:40.02 | IskatuMesk | oh. |
| 05:40.09 | IskatuMesk | Well then. |
| 05:41.50 | IskatuMesk | I am probably overthinking this. |
| 05:41.52 | IskatuMesk | I tend to do that. |
| 05:43.07 | IskatuMesk | I don't really see a frame in the bottom right. Just so you know. |
| 05:43.21 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 05:43.30 | Bounty | I think thats the biggest mistake i personally see people in this IRC make everyday |
| 05:43.31 | IskatuMesk | I think you mean left. |
| 05:43.32 | Bounty | overthinking |
| 05:43.54 | JademusSreg | Library frame is top left, map triggers are bottom left, and the content shit is on the right side. |
| 05:44.07 | IskatuMesk | Yeah, you said bottom right. |
| 05:44.10 | JademusSreg | I disabled the bottom right frame so long ago, since I don't use GUI, I forget what it's called. |
| 05:44.12 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:44.35 | IskatuMesk | I think I broke irc. |
| 05:44.39 | IskatuMesk | Oh, it's just not pasting |
| 05:44.41 | IskatuMesk | Copy the action and paste it to the map trigger frame in the bottom right; |
| 05:44.46 | IskatuMesk | I have no bottom right. |
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| 05:47.08 | Bounty | JademuSreg, do you think Tofu will fail or succeed |
| 05:52.46 | IskatuMesk | Okay. So... if my "trigger" aka action is named RavenDefenseDroneTacticool, the Raven itself refers to it as gf_RavenDefenseDroneTacticool. Then I basically build a set of actions to order the unit to cast shit on stuff. |
| 05:53.04 | IskatuMesk | And I presume this just "happens" when it hits a range. |
| 05:53.43 | IskatuMesk | I don't suppose you have any examples in your test whatever I could go by to see how I should structure the actions? |
| 05:54.11 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 05:55.41 | IskatuMesk | Building logic for respectable defense drone usage. Oh boy. I wouldn't know how to even describe it in plain English much less triggers. |
| 05:55.46 | JademusSreg | Bounty, dunno. It's highly polished, but custom map players almost by definition are timid of intense, highly competitive gameplay with sharp learning curves; if they weren't, they'd be playing melee. |
| 05:56.03 | Bounty | Thats what i was thinking |
| 05:56.04 | JademusSreg | Mesk, I can provide examples from script. |
| 05:56.12 | Bounty | I think its going to fail for all the wrong reasons |
| 05:56.20 | IskatuMesk | well, let's have at it |
| 05:56.43 | IskatuMesk | Do I have everthing else down pat? The naming convention is right? |
| 05:57.16 | JademusSreg | I can put the relevant files in an archive (zip, rar, or 7z), or I can pastebin a few examples. |
| 05:57.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:57.32 | IskatuMesk | whatever's convenient for you |
| 05:57.49 | JademusSreg | Your understanding of the name and how the action will be used is correct. |
| 05:58.03 | IskatuMesk | That's the first time anyone's ever said that to me. |
| 05:59.20 | Bounty | JademusSreg is crazy yo |
| 06:00.13 | IskatuMesk | I don't think it's even possible to really make ravens "play smart" with defense drones, e.g. know when to defensively wall up and then unload. |
| 06:00.25 | IskatuMesk | I guess I could just make it random if they decide to make turrets or drones or conserve for missile |
| 06:00.44 | IskatuMesk | But then you'd have to figure out if they're even able to place turrets where they are at |
| 06:01.38 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/TacticalAI.7z |
| 06:02.57 | IskatuMesk | Oh boy. |
| 06:03.21 | IskatuMesk | I'm guessing you can't... turn galaxy back into gui. |
| 06:04.10 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 06:04.25 | IskatuMesk | the raven's original code is colossally larger than I expected |
| 06:04.31 | IskatuMesk | and yet it functions so HORRIBLY. |
| 06:04.41 | JademusSreg | Mostly it makes it behave more conservatively. |
| 06:04.54 | Currydevil | Hmm, a Stratego map is going to be small =P not bad. |
| 06:05.03 | IskatuMesk | When our ravens die with 180 mana in stacks of 20 we need less conservative more mother russia. |
| 06:05.04 | JademusSreg | If the Raven's life gets "critical", it spams its abilities liberally. |
| 06:05.24 | JademusSreg | You'll note it also keeps track of cooldown. |
| 06:05.28 | IskatuMesk | I have never actually seen them cast defense drones |
| 06:06.00 | JademusSreg | Could be a result of it being a campaign AI. |
| 06:06.30 | IskatuMesk | I swear. If I knew Galaxy i would hack this existing code apart |
| 06:07.21 | JademusSreg | Galaxy is a lot like C, only without the features that make working in C tolerable. |
| 06:07.32 | IskatuMesk | Oh. They have put cooldowns into the AI, not the abilities |
| 06:07.38 | IskatuMesk | well now. |
| 06:08.11 | IskatuMesk | Would it be possible for me to just... copy paste this into your action and go Stephen Harper on it? |
| 06:08.18 | Bounty | I love watching you programmers |
| 06:08.29 | Bounty | >< |
| 06:08.46 | Bounty | and i just dont understand how i can do what i do with such ZERO experience i had before i started with sc2 |
| 06:08.47 | JademusSreg | Yes, you can more or less copy-pasta galaxy script into GUI. |
| 06:09.08 | IskatuMesk | I would basically just set all of their cooldowns to 0.01, set all of the difficulty related stuff to trigger at lowest |
| 06:09.37 | IskatuMesk | Oh. |
| 06:09.38 | Bounty | Everytime i see JademusSreg speak i think of Hugh Jackman in Swordfish |
| 06:09.39 | JademusSreg | First, you'll need to add a custom script action to the action. Then you can copy-paste. Then you'll need to update the parameters. |
| 06:09.40 | IskatuMesk | you swank bastards. |
| 06:09.48 | IskatuMesk | you're doing per-unit constrictions on defense drones |
| 06:09.53 | IskatuMesk | I want to hang them |
| 06:09.57 | Bounty | Thats how i picture JademusSreg IRL |
| 06:10.16 | Bounty | No more, no less.. he is Hugh Jackman in Swordfish |
| 06:10.31 | JademusSreg | GUI parameters start lowercase, and have a lp_ prefix. |
| 06:11.05 | JademusSreg | Hugh Jackman is a handsome man, but I've never seen Swordfish. |
| 06:11.15 | IskatuMesk | wait so |
| 06:11.29 | IskatuMesk | I need to update the galaxy code's references to those parameters with a lp_ prefix |
| 06:11.37 | JademusSreg | More or less. |
| 06:11.54 | JademusSreg | AI Unit is lp_aIUnit (haha) |
| 06:12.00 | IskatuMesk | I assume that means local parameter |
| 06:12.07 | JademusSreg | So you'd update aiUnit with lp_aIUnit |
| 06:12.08 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:12.24 | IskatuMesk | order HunterSeekerMissile (int lp_player, unit lp_aiUnit, unitgroup lp_scanGroup, marker mark) { |
| 06:12.29 | IskatuMesk | we don't have a parameter for Mark |
| 06:12.30 | IskatuMesk | does that matter? |
| 06:12.57 | JademusSreg | You'll notice where the AIThinkRaven calls that function. |
| 06:13.09 | JademusSreg | It passes it a marker value. |
| 06:13.48 | JademusSreg | It constructs it from AIMarker (unit aiUnit, string name); |
| 06:14.25 | JademusSreg | Which is a function that contains marker mark = MarkerCastingUnit(name, aiUnit); MarkerSetMatchFlag(mark, c_markerMatchLink, true); MarkerSetMatchFlag(mark, c_markerMatchCasterPlayer, true); return mark; |
| 06:15.15 | JademusSreg | Look in RequirementsAI.galaxy, and you should see a huge list of constant values used by AIs. |
| 06:15.40 | JademusSreg | Ids for units, abilities, effects, behaviors, and so forth, including the strings used for the markers. |
| 06:16.20 | IskatuMesk | I feel my brain cells dying. |
| 06:16.40 | IskatuMesk | I'm just going to axe the difficulty checks entirely and hope I don't eat a bracket accidentally |
| 06:16.52 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:18.21 | IskatuMesk | So, in the unit editor, should I exclude a lot more then what the defaults exclude? |
| 06:18.30 | IskatuMesk | Like of course, missiles, dead etc |
| 06:18.38 | IskatuMesk | most units are just set to eclude ally and such |
| 06:19.31 | IskatuMesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.36 | IskatuMesk | what is EnemyEval? |
| 06:19.40 | IskatuMesk | the number of enemies? |
| 06:19.56 | JademusSreg | Probably a local variable. |
| 06:20.01 | JademusSreg | And definitely an int. |
| 06:20.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:20.13 | IskatuMesk | oh I think I know what it's doing |
| 06:20.14 | IskatuMesk | which terrifies me |
| 06:20.30 | IskatuMesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.39 | IskatuMesk | Are these based on the unit's name or something else? |
| 06:21.00 | IskatuMesk | if my planetary fortress is called Sentinel Surface Battery, would it be c_ZU_SentinelSurfaceBattery |
| 06:21.48 | JademusSreg | Those are predefined constants found in RequirementsAI.galaxy, formatted [constant]_[Zerg][Unit]_[unit name]. |
| 06:22.06 | IskatuMesk | So I need to make a million new requirements? |
| 06:22.07 | IskatuMesk | god damnit. |
| 06:22.09 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 06:22.21 | JademusSreg | You don't need to define any new constants. |
| 06:22.35 | JademusSreg | You can input the value directly into the script, if you want. |
| 06:22.42 | JademusSreg | What's the id of the unit? |
| 06:22.51 | IskatuMesk | I'm going to have to define like 300 new units by the end of this project |
| 06:23.28 | IskatuMesk | not sure what the id is (not sure how to even check) |
| 06:23.50 | JademusSreg | Double click on any data entry. |
| 06:24.01 | IskatuMesk | ah |
| 06:24.05 | IskatuMesk | let'say PlanetaryFortress |
| 06:24.05 | JademusSreg | The first two text fields are name and id. |
| 06:24.36 | JademusSreg | If you're inputing the id directly, you'll use the id in quotations, because it's a string type. |
| 06:24.47 | JademusSreg | "PlanetaryFortress" for example. |
| 06:24.57 | IskatuMesk | so... c_TU_"PlanetaryFortress"? |
| 06:25.04 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 06:25.15 | JademusSreg | Just "PlanetaryFortress". |
| 06:25.18 | IskatuMesk | ah. |
| 06:25.51 | IskatuMesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.09 | JademusSreg | And don't worry; if you make a syntax error, it will inform you if you press Ctrl+F12 or try to save. |
| 06:26.18 | JademusSreg | No game crashing will occur. |
| 06:26.28 | JademusSreg | That's right. |
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| 06:26.45 | IskatuMesk | well, that one line I mentioned earlier (with "mark") gave me an error |
| 06:26.48 | IskatuMesk | but not this one |
| 06:26.49 | IskatuMesk | :D |
| 06:28.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:28.51 | IskatuMesk | I have no idea why, either. |
| 06:28.59 | IskatuMesk | I'm just flailing around breaking everything. |
| 06:29.18 | JademusSreg | Well, once you write your code, I'll take a look at it via pastebin. |
| 06:29.49 | JademusSreg | I'll proof read it, haha. |
| 06:32.31 | IskatuMesk | You might get aids. |
| 06:34.43 | JademusSreg | Sexy. |
| 06:38.07 | IskatuMesk | this seems pretty :3 until I get to the turret part. I basically want ravens to coat the earth in turrets. But I don't really know how I'd script that into this. |
| 06:46.17 | IskatuMesk | oh boy. I'm so confused |
| 06:46.26 | IskatuMesk | I'm not sure which "player"'s to change to "lp_player" |
| 06:46.34 | IskatuMesk | seem it almost seems like some others get defined in other areas |
| 06:46.39 | IskatuMesk | like fixed minToCastAutoTurret(int player) { |
| 06:46.46 | IskatuMesk | but I'm probably just dumb |
| 06:50.06 | Helral|Work | IskatuMesk: lp_ prefix = local parameter, so it is for the parameters defined inside action definitions. these values are only available for the action def in which they are defined. |
| 06:50.52 | IskatuMesk | I'm like, trying to necromance some other galaxy code into an action that has local stuff for it. But I have also never touched code in my entire life outside of extremely brief hex stuff for age of wonders 2. |
| 06:51.15 | IskatuMesk | I'm getting really tired though, so I'll probably give up and pass out |
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| 10:17.53 | JPNyt | any galaxy programmers on right now? |
| 10:20.54 | Scorp_ | How do I get a point with offset in the Data Editor? Like, cast spell at position of unit with offset 3y? |
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| 10:25.46 | JPNyt | hey scorp |
| 10:26.45 | Scorp_ | hi |
| 10:27.03 | JPNyt | I dont know if you can offset specifically like that in the data editor |
| 10:27.20 | JPNyt | let me check and see |
| 10:27.37 | JPNyt | can you explain in detail what youre trying to do specifically? |
| 10:29.46 | JPNyt | ok, looks like youll want to use a "launch missile" effect, and apply the offset there via either Launch Offset or Impact Offset |
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| 10:34.14 | JPNyt | Does anyone know how to get the current alliteration of a loop for use inside a #SUBFUNC(actions) script? Basically trying to recreate a "pick each" function, specially the "picked ____" part |
| 10:38.30 | Scorp_ | I think I better just use triggers for the offset. Launch Missile doesn't seem very ideal |
| 10:39.11 | JPNyt | well what are you trying to do? |
| 10:39.44 | JPNyt | triggers are an easy solution, but using them when you could use data can end up bogging down your map |
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| 10:47.03 | Helral|Work | JPNyt: have you checked what is used in the for loop at the default library? |
| 10:47.26 | Scorp_ | I am trying to make a unit cast an ability at at it's target unit, but with an offset |
| 10:47.29 | JPNyt | checked the for loop, the picked each loop, and tried to crete and debug my own before posting here |
| 10:48.12 | JPNyt | thing is, the for loop has the programmer choose a variable for output to. I want to eliminate that |
| 10:48.42 | Helral|Work | uhm... well you need to have a reference pointer, which is a variable, how else do you want to retrieve the current iteration? |
| 10:50.47 | Helral|Work | JPNyt: if you want you can use a global variable.... just need to be careful with waits and cleanup afterwards. |
| 10:50.59 | JPNyt | I guess Im not explaining very well. |
| 10:51.17 | Helral|Work | or I'm not understanding it very well ;) |
| 10:51.59 | JPNyt | I want to have a local variable "X" inside my loop sub-function action definition. Then in another trigger or function, I add my loop Pick each and do actions: The actions are different depending on the trigger |
| 10:52.06 | equinox1911 | which essentially is the same : communication not workin |
| 10:52.07 | equinox1911 | heh |
| 10:52.14 | JPNyt | thing is, which Im running through each action, I need to be able to say "picked X" |
| 10:52.33 | Helral|Work | the picked .... stuff is just a global variable, which blizzard created a function for to allow retrieving. |
| 10:52.59 | JPNyt | well, not exactly. from what understand its a local variable thats set inside the calling trigger |
| 10:53.06 | Helral|Work | nope. |
| 10:53.27 | Helral|Work | it can become dirty if you use waits. (it will allow other threads to intersect with it then) |
| 10:53.31 | JPNyt | If it wasnt it could cause havoc inside triggers running in parallel |
| 10:53.48 | Helral|Work | triggers do not run in parallel. they run in series. |
| 10:54.22 | JPNyt | thought each trigger event caused a new thread process? |
| 10:54.37 | Helral|Work | nope. they use the same thread. the trigger thread. |
| 10:55.19 | Helral|Work | you can actually cause the game to lag by having too many triggers trigger at the same time, which have a total handling time of larger then 0.05 orso |
| 10:55.46 | JPNyt | yea, I've noticed that |
| 10:56.16 | JPNyt | Im rewriting a program for a friend, and its been doing that, mostly because of 3-10 triggers with duplicate events |
| 10:56.23 | Helral|Work | btw if a trigger can not be handled during a sequence it is possible that it will be handled in the next one, I do not know the exact implementation. |
| 10:56.26 | JPNyt | and 0 action definitions |
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| 10:56.48 | Helral|Work | well 0 action defs doesn't mean it is bad code. |
| 10:57.05 | Helral|Work | but having the same action repeated 20 times does ;p |
| 10:57.13 | JPNyt | ^ |
| 10:57.17 | Helral|Work | well 3+ times. |
| 10:57.19 | JPNyt | lol |
| 10:57.24 | JPNyt | yea I know |
| 10:58.22 | JPNyt | anyway, Ive been programming about 20 years, so I know how to clean things up and proper programming practices to a degree, and Ive been learning GUI/galaxy the past month or so |
| 10:58.37 | Helral|Work | so you're an old sod? ;p |
| 10:58.45 | JPNyt | pretty much lol |
| 10:58.58 | Helral|Work | I've been programming, one moment counting... |
| 10:59.05 | JPNyt | wait, maybe not 20, but at least 15 or so lol |
| 10:59.13 | Helral|Work | 12 years orso. |
| 10:59.18 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 10:59.21 | JPNyt | ok, so were on the same page |
| 10:59.28 | JPNyt | I think |
| 10:59.30 | Helral|Work | depends. ;p how old are you ;p |
| 10:59.37 | JPNyt | old |
| 10:59.41 | JPNyt | enough |
| 10:59.42 | JPNyt | lol |
| 10:59.44 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 10:59.49 | Helral|Work | 30+ then I assume ;p |
| 10:59.53 | JPNyt | not quite |
| 10:59.59 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 11:00.01 | JPNyt | but close enough |
| 11:00.03 | Helral|Work | 28? |
| 11:00.09 | JPNyt | anyway |
| 11:00.18 | JPNyt | back on topic |
| 11:00.20 | Helral|Work | we don't differ that much then with age ;p |
| 11:00.42 | JPNyt | how old are you? |
| 11:00.59 | Helral|Work | old in this community :) |
| 11:01.05 | JPNyt | lol yea |
| 11:01.14 | JPNyt | I hear that |
| 11:01.37 | JPNyt | so are you familiar with galaxy scripting? |
| 11:01.46 | Helral|Work | not really but go ahead and ask. |
| 11:01.51 | Helral|Work | I'm familiar with triggering so :) |
| 11:01.52 | JPNyt | or, not galaxy per say so much as custom scripts inside action definitions |
| 11:02.05 | JPNyt | yea well triggers are the easy part |
| 11:02.08 | JPNyt | :P |
| 11:02.09 | Helral|Work | well I'm a programmer in RL :) |
| 11:02.14 | JPNyt | ditto |
| 11:02.26 | JPNyt | wait, galaxy script is "real" programming lol |
| 11:02.37 | JPNyt | is just for a game instead of a paying job |
| 11:02.46 | JPNyt | unless u work for blizzard... :P |
| 11:02.53 | Helral|Work | whistles.... |
| 11:03.02 | Helral|Work | neh had to travel too far for that. |
| 11:03.10 | JPNyt | lol |
| 11:05.49 | Helral|Work | so what is your next question? ;p |
| 11:06.16 | JPNyt | hold on, going to try to reference a record inside a custom script function |
| 11:09.53 | JPNyt | og thats fun |
| 11:10.01 | Helral|Work | hmm? |
| 11:10.09 | JPNyt | IncrementInteger(globals.team, +, 1) gives an error |
| 11:10.36 | Helral|Work | is that an instantiated record? |
| 11:10.58 | JPNyt | no, predefined |
| 11:11.03 | Helral|Work | records != variables. a record is a type of variable. |
| 11:11.35 | JPNyt | globals is the record, team is the variable |
| 11:11.53 | Helral|Work | is globals a variable of the type record, or is it a record definition? |
| 11:12.17 | JPNyt | variable of type record |
| 11:12.34 | Helral|Work | have you tried gv_globals.team |
| 11:12.37 | JPNyt | dont forget, not a n00b here ;) |
| 11:12.42 | JPNyt | well, not a total n00b |
| 11:12.43 | Helral|Work | or lv_ for local variable. |
| 11:13.03 | JPNyt | yes |
| 11:13.34 | JPNyt | and IncrementInteger(lib1_gv_globals.lv_team, +, 1); |
| 11:13.51 | JPNyt | and for some reason #PARAM(whatever); throws an error and it reads it as black |
| 11:13.53 | JPNyt | *blank |
| 11:14.25 | Helral|Work | #PARAM needs to refer to a defined parameter. |
| 11:14.39 | JPNyt | I was about to say, lol, that the parameter was defined |
| 11:14.59 | JPNyt | and I checked the parameter id to make sure they matched |
| 11:15.15 | Helral|Work | let me guess it was the case :) |
| 11:15.46 | JPNyt | nope,was using all lowercase |
| 11:16.16 | Helral|Work | ow wait that IncrementInteger |
| 11:16.23 | Helral|Work | shouldn't the + be betweens quotes? |
| 11:16.40 | Helral|Work | or a c_... value |
| 11:16.43 | JPNyt | just tried, still throws an error |
| 11:16.55 | JPNyt | I copied pasted from raw data |
| 11:17.32 | JPNyt | oh wait |
| 11:17.43 | JPNyt | derpppp |
| 11:18.03 | JPNyt | one second |
| 11:18.07 | Helral|Work | uhm why are you using that function..... |
| 11:18.45 | Helral|Work | roflol I only just thought of this ;p why not simply say globals.team = globals.team + 1; or globals.team++; (dunno if galaxy supports the second one) |
| 11:18.50 | JPNyt | to increment a variable... |
| 11:19.01 | JPNyt | yea I did that, no more parse error but still having a problem |
| 11:19.35 | JPNyt | and I think the function call problem is because it might be something like gf_IncrementInteger() |
| 11:19.47 | Helral|Work | ow right ;p |
| 11:20.31 | JPNyt | still... not... working |
| 11:20.42 | JPNyt | ok, heres what I have so far |
| 11:21.02 | JPNyt | I have a function that returns global.team |
| 11:21.09 | JPNyt | (i.e. my "picked integer" |
| 11:21.21 | JPNyt | then I have my "pick each" function |
| 11:21.28 | JPNyt | lib1_gv_globals.lv_team = 0; #AUTOVAR(nTeams) = 2; while (lib1_gv_globals.lv_team <= (#AUTOVAR(nTeams))) { #SUBFUNCS(actions) lib1_gv_globals.lv_team = lib1_gv_globals.lv_team + 1; } |
| 11:22.17 | JPNyt | and then in a trigger I use my pick each function and under actions I create a marine lol |
| 11:22.22 | JPNyt | but thats m00t |
| 11:23.07 | JPNyt | anyway, in a normal pick or for each, the marine is created for player 0 and 1 |
| 11:23.08 | JPNyt | in my function, I get no marines |
| 11:23.33 | JPNyt | so basically, my "picked X" function isnt working |
| 11:24.07 | JPNyt | or something |
| 11:24.26 | JPNyt | shakes fist |
| 11:24.31 | JPNyt | damn you caps |
| 11:24.35 | JPNyt | lol |
| 11:24.36 | Helral|Work | hmmm? |
| 11:24.38 | JPNyt | Actions, not actions |
| 11:24.52 | JPNyt | and now my marines are burtalizing each other |
| 11:24.59 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 11:24.59 | JPNyt | *brutalizing |
| 11:25.05 | Helral|Work | burpalizing? |
| 11:25.06 | JPNyt | I really need a keyboard with backlighting |
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| 11:25.49 | JPNyt | ok, now to remove the global part >:) |
| 11:26.28 | JPNyt | how do you define a lobal variable inside of a function |
| 11:26.34 | JPNyt | via galaxy script? |
| 11:26.42 | JPNyt | int variable = 0; == no go |
| 11:26.50 | JPNyt | gah local |
| 11:27.09 | Helral|Work | something like dim orso is prolly needed, |
| 11:27.15 | Helral|Work | ow guess it's called local? |
| 11:27.34 | Helral|Work | hmmm nope |
| 11:27.39 | Helral|Work | just basically int ... |
| 11:28.35 | Helral|Work | int variable = value; but I'd think you'd know that *grins* |
| 11:30.29 | JPNyt | just sai it didnt work ;) parse error |
| 11:31.27 | Helral|Work | hmmm did you try: int variable; variable = value; ? |
| 11:32.37 | JPNyt | parse error |
| 11:33.00 | Helral|Work | owyeah I forgot, definitions need to be the first lines of the functions. |
| 11:33.07 | Helral|Work | otherwise it will wine. |
| 11:33.44 | JPNyt | it is the first line lol |
| 11:34.01 | Helral|Work | hmmmm weird it should work then.... |
| 11:35.21 | Helral|Work | can you hit ctrl+11, then ctrl+f12 in the next window, and check the code there? |
| 11:35.27 | Helral|Work | ctrl+f11* |
| 11:38.12 | JPNyt | yea one minute |
| 11:38.47 | JPNyt | hmmmm |
| 11:39.00 | JPNyt | might know whats going on |
| 11:39.18 | JPNyt | in the action definition its the first line, but its not getting defined first line in the script |
| 11:39.53 | Helral|Work | :) btw why not simple use the local variables option of the action def? |
| 11:39.58 | Helral|Work | simply* |
| 11:40.48 | JPNyt | because that option goes away when you select sub-function |
| 11:41.46 | Helral|Work | well then use #AUTOVAR instead. although it won't be a variable usable outside the action def. |
| 11:42.45 | JPNyt | well now THIS is interesting |
| 11:42.50 | Helral|Work | what? |
| 11:43.08 | JPNyt | if you define an action definition as a subfunction, it literally gets defined as code in the trigger its called |
| 11:43.14 | Helral|Work | yup |
| 11:43.28 | JPNyt | if its NOT a sub-function, it gets defined in the core, in its own function |
| 11:43.53 | JPNyt | go go shoddy programming |
| 11:43.55 | Helral|Work | reason why loops are subfunctions is that they can not be a seperate function. |
| 11:44.19 | JPNyt | not according to blizzard anyway |
| 11:44.20 | Helral|Work | but they need to be useable in the GUI trigger interface. so they created a method for that. |
| 11:45.16 | JPNyt | hmmmm |
| 11:45.33 | JPNyt | so basically to do what Im trying I need 3-4 action definitions im thinking |
| 11:45.44 | Helral|Work | what are you trying to do? |
| 11:46.09 | JPNyt | create a custom pick each function :) |
| 11:46.22 | JPNyt | for the hell of it at this point |
| 11:46.49 | JPNyt | <3 doing what others think is impossible or improbable |
| 11:47.09 | Helral|Work | a custom pick each is basically pass a variable and the thing to loop through and generate the required loop. |
| 11:47.57 | JPNyt | hmm? |
| 11:49.44 | JPNyt | what do you mean? |
| 11:50.07 | Helral|Work | well basically a simple for loop would suffice (but galaxy doesn't know for loops) |
| 11:51.20 | Mexaling | Yes it does. |
| 11:51.22 | JPNyt | yea |
| 11:51.26 | JPNyt | ummm |
| 11:51.38 | Mexaling | They implemented it in one of the recent patches. |
| 11:51.43 | Helral|Work | they did? |
| 11:51.49 | Mexaling | Yeah. |
| 11:52.08 | Helral|Work | so it isn't a int i = 0; while (i<max){.... i++;} anymore? |
| 11:52.28 | Mexaling | int i; for (i = 0; i < max; i += 1) { } |
| 11:52.37 | Mexaling | Also, i++ has never been valid:P |
| 11:52.47 | Helral|Work | not in galaxy perhaps ;p |
| 11:52.51 | Helral|Work | but it's easier to write |
| 11:53.01 | Mexaling | Ofc. |
| 11:53.24 | Helral|Work | too bad that it can't handle: for (int i = 0; i<max; i++){} |
| 11:53.36 | Mexaling | It's funny really, that they even put in the effort of writing "++ and -- operators are not supported" and throws that as an error. |
| 11:53.44 | Mexaling | Just not implemented._. |
| 11:54.08 | JPNyt | lol |
| 11:54.09 | Mexaling | They seem to detect the usage of ++ and -- |
| 11:54.51 | Helral|Work | hmm wonder if it can do: for (#AUTOVAR(i) = 0; #AUTOVAR(i)<#PARAM(max); #AUTOVAR += 1){#SUBFUNCS(actions)} |
| 11:54.59 | Mexaling | Yeah Helral, and that's also related to the issue of not being able to declare local variables anywhere but in the top of the function. |
| 11:55.30 | Mexaling | What's #AUTOVAR? |
| 11:55.47 | Helral|Work | btw Mexaling: why is the For Each Integer still a while loop then, if they've implemented for loops? |
| 11:55.48 | Mexaling | galaxy++? |
| 11:56.01 | Helral|Work | that's Galaxy UI |
| 11:56.10 | Mexaling | Helral, they couldn't care changing it:P |
| 11:56.14 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 11:56.23 | Mexaling | I don't know why actually. |
| 11:56.50 | Mexaling | You could also ask why operator overloading is possible using triggers, but not in galaxy |
| 11:57.16 | Helral|Work | operator overloading using triggers is not possible ;p |
| 11:57.17 | Mexaling | And that typedefs using the trigger interface will not convert to typedefs in galaxy. |
| 11:57.30 | Helral|Work | it only exists for build-in support. |
| 11:57.35 | Mexaling | Hmm |
| 11:57.37 | Mexaling | OKay then. |
| 11:57.51 | Mexaling | But my later statement is legit. |
| 11:58.01 | Helral|Work | typedefs? |
| 11:58.05 | Mexaling | yes |
| 11:58.13 | Mexaling | A type which is derived from another type |
| 11:58.28 | Helral|Work | scratches head |
| 11:58.38 | Mexaling | A UnitType is the same as a string. |
| 11:58.58 | JPNyt | ah ha |
| 11:59.01 | JPNyt | yea, i hear that one |
| 11:59.03 | Mexaling | So essentially, in galaxy it would be "typedef UnitType string;" |
| 11:59.19 | Helral|Work | in galaxy it's a string. in Galaxy UI it's specifically an unit type..... |
| 11:59.36 | Mexaling | I just told you that. |
| 11:59.51 | Helral|Work | well it would hurt more to also make that seperation in galaxy. ;p |
| 12:00.03 | Helral|Work | you have to look at it from the other side, Mexaling. |
| 12:00.10 | Mexaling | You have the desire to choose still. |
| 12:01.12 | Mexaling | No, I think it doesn't make any sense. There are some abstractions in galaxy code too, which exists using galaxy UI. But the galaxy UI is never compiled to any of those. |
| 12:01.16 | Helral|Work | galaxy != dummy proof. Galaxy UI == dummy proof. (orso they think) |
| 12:01.43 | Mexaling | Also, it bothers me that you can create presets in galaxy UI, but not in galaxy |
| 12:02.00 | JPNyt | <3 presets |
| 12:02.06 | Mexaling | It would be equivavlent of using enums, kind of. |
| 12:02.11 | Helral|Work | .... |
| 12:02.17 | JPNyt | especially preset referencing in arrays |
| 12:02.47 | Helral|Work | c_Sheep = 0; c_Dog = 1; <-- presets :) *meows innocently* |
| 12:03.16 | Helral|Work | you can always use constants to get something alike. |
| 12:03.21 | Mexaling | enum Animal { Sheep, Dog } Much more conveninent, Imo. |
| 12:03.29 | Mexaling | I know, I know. |
| 12:03.54 | Mexaling | I'm only complaining over the lack of language features:P |
| 12:04.30 | Mexaling | Manypickles, I have some company, I gtg. |
| 12:04.35 | Mexaling | Seeya |
| 12:04.38 | Helral|Work | ... |
| 12:04.41 | Helral|Work | meows |
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| 12:20.00 | JPNyt | whats faster you think, a variable array or a record? |
| 12:20.16 | JPNyt | i.e. global.member or global[x] |
| 12:20.42 | Helral|Work | global[x] is faster, but records are sometimes more useful (readability) |
| 12:21.34 | JPNyt | I think readability is out the window at this point. lol |
| 12:21.38 | JPNyt | thats why im making functions |
| 12:21.59 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 12:22.08 | Helral|Work | you should try reading my maps code. |
| 12:22.59 | JPNyt | lol |
| 12:23.01 | JPNyt | that bad? |
| 12:23.16 | Helral|Work | well it's on sc2mapster... my random dungeon map ;p |
| 12:25.22 | JPNyt | ill check it out |
| 12:25.35 | JPNyt | soon as battlenet downloads my dependancies... |
| 12:26.33 | Helral|Work | the dependencies for my map are purely the models I used ;p |
| 12:27.19 | JPNyt | eh was saying for my mod lol |
| 12:27.25 | JPNyt | well, my friends mod |
| 12:29.19 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 12:29.49 | JPNyt | what the bloody region batman... |
| 12:30.01 | JPNyt | think its big enough? |
| 12:30.10 | Helral|Work | hehehe ;p |
| 12:30.30 | Helral|Work | well I needed to set an area in which I did my generation ;p |
| 12:31.27 | JPNyt | try "entire map"? lol |
| 12:32.25 | Helral|Work | it's not the entire map ;p |
| 12:32.38 | Helral|Work | cause then my x,y positions would be out of the map bounds. |
| 12:32.51 | Helral|Work | the playable region anyway ;p |
| 12:33.21 | JPNyt | so "playable map area" |
| 12:34.30 | Helral|Work | I like my region better :) |
| 12:35.44 | Helral|Work | almost everything of my map is done with triggers ;p |
| 12:40.21 | JPNyt | :) |
| 12:40.41 | JPNyt | woo blizzard eat your heart out. Custom Pick each function with unlimited definitions |
| 12:40.50 | JPNyt | Pick Each _your choice here_ |
| 12:40.57 | Helral|Work | lol |
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| 12:46.49 | JPNyt | hmmmm |
| 12:48.58 | JPNyt | please dont throw and error... please dont throw an error... YES! SCORE! |
| 12:49.16 | Helral|Work | tosses JPNyt an error |
| 12:50.04 | JPNyt | stabs Helral |
| 12:50.11 | JPNyt | lol |
| 12:50.40 | Helral|Work | looks at the knife sticking out of the straw dummy |
| 12:50.44 | Helral|Work | meows innocently |
| 12:51.01 | JPNyt | Pick Each Preset |
| 12:51.03 | JPNyt | ^.^ |
| 12:51.04 | JPNyt | <3 |
| 12:51.33 | JPNyt | loops meet presets meet "pick each" functions |
| 12:51.37 | JPNyt | meet repeat |
| 12:52.26 | JPNyt | 1 global variable, 1 preset, 1 function, and 1 action definition, unlimited possibilities for "pick each X" |
| 12:52.34 | JPNyt | I'd call that a win |
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| 13:22.49 | JPNyt | anyone want to write a tutorial for me? |
| 13:22.57 | JPNyt | I suck at writing, but I have all the info |
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| 13:41.21 | JPNyt | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/35016-creating-a-custom-pick-each-function/ |
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| 13:50.17 | Ashamed | ahh? |
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| 13:54.41 | JPNyt | ahh? |
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| 13:57.20 | Ashamed | ahhhhhhhH? |
| 13:58.02 | JPNyt | Ahhhhhhhhh! |
| 14:00.14 | JPNyt | I'm so cheesed right now lol |
| 14:06.42 | Helral|Work | chessed? |
| 14:07.18 | Helral|Work | hmmmm note to self: chessed --> Mexaling leaving. |
| 14:07.34 | JPNyt | lol |
| 14:07.42 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 14:07.44 | JPNyt | cheesed==happy |
| 14:07.56 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 14:08.07 | JPNyt | This is a really powerful and simple script. |
| 14:08.08 | Helral|Work | thought chessed was a game+ed |
| 14:08.13 | JPNyt | Im surprised no one has made it before |
| 14:12.17 | JPNyt | game+ed? |
| 14:36.16 | Ashamed | um cheesed does not = happy |
| 14:36.25 | Ashamed | cheesing is when you let a male cat spray on you |
| 14:36.35 | Ashamed | you get high off it and become "Cheesed" |
| 14:36.56 | Helral|Work | roflol... so basically JPNyt is feeling high cause of a cat.... |
| 14:37.40 | Ashamed | becuase of a male cats spray in his face |
| 14:37.47 | Ashamed | -.- no one watch Southpark? |
| 14:37.59 | Helral|Work | not in detail ;p |
| 14:38.21 | Ashamed | There is a heavy metal episode when they are making fun of it.. and thats the new "Kids drug epedemic " |
| 14:38.36 | Ashamed | it makes you go to titty heavy metal world |
| 14:38.39 | Helral|Work | lemme guess, cartman started it. |
| 14:38.47 | Ashamed | no actually it was Kenny |
| 14:38.56 | Ashamed | Cartman actually saved the cats because they made them illegal |
| 14:38.57 | Helral|Work | damnit.... |
| 14:39.03 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 14:39.12 | Ashamed | so he hid them " like hiding jews from camps durring the holocast" |
| 14:39.27 | Ashamed | Thats how they made it seem |
| 14:39.37 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 14:39.43 | Ashamed | he was suppose to be that one lady that had a bunch of them hiding |
| 14:40.02 | Ashamed | but that is what cheesed is lol |
| 14:40.50 | Helral|Work | btw JPNyt: game+ed (game+ed = chess + ed = chessed) ;p |
| 14:44.05 | JPNyt | gotcha |
| 14:44.21 | Helral|Work | lemme go :( ;p |
| 14:47.13 | Helral|Work | Ashamed: do you know if anyone is keeping track on how many people I've driving insane? |
| 14:47.17 | Helral|Work | meows innocently. |
| 14:48.16 | Currydevil | What is insane? |
| 14:48.49 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 14:48.51 | Helral|Work | dunno |
| 14:49.21 | Currydevil | ok |
| 14:59.35 | Helral|Work | they should include a surrender feature in chess titans. |
| 14:59.53 | Helral|Work | that the computed surrenders when it is a hopeless situation.... |
| 14:59.57 | Helral|Work | computer* |
| 15:14.21 | flyingspatula | hey bounty told me the other day that in a third person view kind of map, terrain texture rapes ur framerate so he made his map really small but made everything in it smaller too so less terrain texture is needed. u think this is a good idea? |
| 15:28.41 | Ashamed | i have not helral >< |
| 15:34.17 | Vailreth | well i am out netflix fuck them anyway .. |
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| 15:35.56 | flyingspatula | do any of u guys understand editing footprints? |
| 15:36.10 | flyingspatula | i swear on a 1x1 grid anything i edit seems to do nothing |
| 15:36.21 | flyingspatula | what color = no pathable and what = is pathable |
| 15:52.50 | Ashamed | flyingspatula jademusreg is really good with them |
| 15:53.04 | flyingspatula | lol seems jade is good with anything |
| 15:56.40 | flyingspatula | i think i kinda figured it out but seems like some variants of a single doodad mess up |
| 15:56.46 | flyingspatula | for pathing |
| 15:57.32 | Ashamed | nah not everythinng |
| 15:57.40 | Ashamed | but footprints especially |
| 15:58.19 | flyingspatula | well |
| 15:58.52 | flyingspatula | bounty told me if i made my map like half the size and made everything in it half the size then less terrain texture will lower players framerate |
| 15:59.02 | flyingspatula | not sure if thats true but if i do that then i have to change all my footprints |
| 16:00.54 | flyingspatula | its almost as if all doodads rotate from a polar offset |
| 16:00.57 | flyingspatula | so its alwyas jacked up |
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| 16:03.10 | flyingspatula | ugh |
| 16:03.14 | flyingspatula | i don tget why its doin this |
| 16:03.32 | Scorp_ | any decent ladder players able to give feedback on a melee map of mine? |
| 16:04.19 | flyingspatula | ive never once played ladder -_- |
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| 16:07.03 | Ashamed | It's over 9000! |
| 16:07.44 | Ashamed | fflying spatula -.- i have a unit that is 0.025 and set terrain too about 2000 and didn't notice anything on my end |
| 16:08.00 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 16:08.06 | flyingspatula | well |
| 16:08.38 | flyingspatula | i guess i forgot to mention its in a third person view so u are actually seeing all the terrain |
| 16:08.57 | Ashamed | mine too |
| 16:09.03 | Ashamed | with a unit that is 0.025 size |
| 16:09.07 | Ashamed | map = 5000 x bigger |
| 16:10.02 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 16:11.03 | Ashamed | but i have a great pc |
| 16:11.12 | Ashamed | i have not tested it with shitty pcs yet |
| 16:11.23 | flyingspatula | yeah same |
| 16:11.30 | flyingspatula | but its like |
| 16:11.43 | flyingspatula | it seems doodads dont really make a pc slow down much its solely the terrain textures |
| 16:13.01 | JademusSreg | Pow. |
| 16:13.41 | flyingspatula | hi jade |
| 16:14.40 | JademusSreg | What's up? |
| 16:15.08 | flyingspatula | oh im just experimenting with how much terrain texture impacts performance |
| 16:15.18 | flyingspatula | doodads dont seem to do much but terrain does |
| 16:15.33 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 16:15.41 | flyingspatula | bounty told me if i shrunk everything in my map |
| 16:15.46 | flyingspatula | and made the map smaller itd be much ebtter |
| 16:15.55 | flyingspatula | which i guess makes sense |
| 16:15.59 | flyingspatula | less terrain |
| 16:16.11 | JademusSreg | Well, kind of. |
| 16:16.32 | flyingspatula | i jus twonder how much it really impacts |
| 16:17.03 | flyingspatula | i try to remove texture where it woul dnever be seen anyway, as in under objects/buildings |
| 16:18.24 | flyingspatula | you have any suggestions/opinions jade? |
| 16:18.57 | flyingspatula | i have a good pc so i worry some ppl just couldnt handle the map and i dont really want to cut the clip really low |
| 16:19.19 | JademusSreg | Texture scaling involves a fair amount of computation, relative to 1:1 display; for instance, assuming the standard camera perspective, if you changed the texture scale for a given terrain texture to half its value, that's 4 textures "tiles" occupying the space of what was previously 1, so you effectively -increase- the amount of work for rendering textures by a factor of 4. |
| 16:20.01 | JademusSreg | So rescaling the textures tends to go along with rescaling the camera, so it ends up rendering less. |
| 16:20.31 | JademusSreg | What small terrain really saves on is the terrain mesh and shadow mapping. |
| 16:20.34 | flyingspatula | when u say texture rescaling u dont mean just simply altering the map side do u? |
| 16:20.48 | flyingspatula | size* |
| 16:20.52 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 16:21.15 | JademusSreg | I mean setting the texture size thing in the terrain texture data. |
| 16:21.23 | flyingspatula | oh didnt know u coudl do that |
| 16:22.43 | flyingspatula | terrain texture sets? |
| 16:23.02 | JademusSreg | Smaller terrain means smaller scale, smaller scale means a closer camera, smaller camera means the terrain texture look like shit, which means you change their scale so they are painted on the mesh at a smaller scale and retain more detail at close camera distance. |
| 16:23.42 | flyingspatula | hmm |
| 16:24.13 | flyingspatula | so ifi did shrink the map size id need to alter that as well the texture size |
| 16:24.15 | JademusSreg | Terrain Texture data. |
| 16:24.16 | flyingspatula | il lhave to try finding that |
| 16:24.20 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 16:24.57 | flyingspatula | i wonde rthough, would that even make much of a difference? |
| 16:25.40 | JademusSreg | There we go. |
| 16:25.52 | flyingspatula | hm? |
| 16:25.52 | JademusSreg | Terrain Texture Set data, Tiling Frequency. |
| 16:25.56 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 16:26.22 | flyingspatula | so higher would be |
| 16:27.18 | Scorp_ | any decent ladder players able to give feedback on a melee map of mine? |
| 16:27.42 | flyingspatula | so id up the frequency to improve the quality? |
| 16:27.52 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 16:28.06 | JademusSreg | Scorp, I don't think there are many melee players here. |
| 16:28.20 | JademusSreg | Might have more luck at TL. |
| 16:28.45 | Scorp_ | yea, I just don't bother making an account there :P |
| 16:29.25 | JademusSreg | Why not? |
| 16:29.58 | Scorp_ | I prefer to stick to one forum |
| 16:30.19 | flyingspatula | weird, tiling seems to be the same regardless of any value |
| 16:30.20 | JademusSreg | That's unusual. |
| 16:30.41 | JademusSreg | Fly, you may need to update the terrain texture set data the map uses. |
| 16:30.52 | JademusSreg | Map -> Map Textures |
| 16:30.56 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 16:31.12 | JademusSreg | The same way that if you change the blend textures, it doesn't recognize the changes. |
| 16:31.46 | JademusSreg | It's due to the way it stores terrain data in the map mpq. |
| 16:31.55 | flyingspatula | right |
| 16:34.51 | JademusSreg | Scorp, TL forums is the forum for highly competitive gameplay, which includes SC2 melee. SC2Mapster is the forum for people who want to make SC2 maps and content. And if you want to make SC2 melee maps, it makes sense to have an account on both forums. |
| 16:35.04 | flyingspatula | lol and i bet none of this will improve framerate or prevent framerate loss -_- |
| 16:35.28 | JademusSreg | Probably. Haha |
| 16:35.41 | JademusSreg | I think I understand how frequency works. |
| 16:35.43 | flyingspatula | >< |
| 16:36.04 | JademusSreg | The tiling frequency is a value that divides the texture's dimensions. |
| 16:36.11 | flyingspatula | well the whole idea in general was to fit more objects into a smaller map so less rendering of terrain was required |
| 16:36.26 | flyingspatula | ah i did like 1000 lol just ot try seeing a diff |
| 16:36.49 | JademusSreg | So a 4096^2 texture becomes (4096^2)/4 with a tiling frequency of 4. |
| 16:37.40 | flyingspatula | so higher DOES mean better quality? |
| 16:37.59 | JademusSreg | That's not the most accurate way to express it. |
| 16:38.13 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 16:38.46 | Scorp_ | yea I probably better do so |
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| 17:17.49 | flyingspatula | hm i moved it to a 64x64 with same amount of doodads seems to run fine fortunately. i had to zoom my cam distance in but the textures arent TERRIBLE |
| 17:17.58 | flyingspatula | but now obv my pathing is fucked |
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| 17:55.43 | JademusSreg | Hi Mesk. |
| 17:56.09 | JademusSreg | I'm going to be busy for a while, so I'll run through this shit quickly. |
| 17:56.19 | IskatuMesk | All over my face go |
| 17:56.54 | JademusSreg | In the lower left frame, the map trigger frame, right click, New -> Custom Script |
| 17:59.03 | JademusSreg | All that script you copy-pasta'd last night will go there. And since you're working in script, the GUI action won't be necessary. You can either delete it and have the unit Tactical AI Function refer specifically to your new function or you can, if you're stubborn, continue to use the GUI Action, but you'll have it call the function in the Custom Script block anyway. |
| 17:59.40 | JademusSreg | Since the functions you copied already exist in the AI galaxy files, you'll need to rename those functions. |
| 17:59.52 | IskatuMesk | from lp_player back to just player? |
| 18:00.17 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 18:00.59 | JademusSreg | Anyway, any questions before I take my leave? |
| 18:01.17 | JademusSreg | I'll be unavailable for any number of hours. |
| 18:01.19 | IskatuMesk | Do I need to do anything besides copy-paste this? Any of those other related stuff you have in the GUI need to be made into galaxy? |
| 18:01.58 | JademusSreg | Naw, if you're working in script, you don't need the GUI action at all. |
| 18:02.10 | IskatuMesk | Ok. I expect to fail miserably, but let's try it |
| 18:02.26 | JademusSreg | But besides copy-paste, you'll need to change the function names, and update the function reference in Tactical AI Function for the unit. |
| 18:02.43 | IskatuMesk | the naming conventions haven't changed right |
| 18:03.02 | JademusSreg | So if you rename the custom script function AIThinkRaven to AIThinkCockBalls, you'll just put AIThinkCockBalls in the Tactical AI Function. |
| 18:03.23 | IskatuMesk | oh, are we replacing something else in the unit data now |
| 18:03.37 | IskatuMesk | ah nevermind |
| 18:03.42 | JademusSreg | The reason why it is different here is that GUI identifiers are converted to galaxy script in such a way that it adds prefixes and shit. |
| 18:03.49 | IskatuMesk | I see |
| 18:04.25 | JademusSreg | Since you're working in script, you won't add them when inputing the function reference in Tactical AI Function. |
| 18:04.29 | IskatuMesk | I feel like harry potter |
| 18:04.38 | JademusSreg | I'm Snape. |
| 18:04.46 | IskatuMesk | tall, dark, and indescribably handsome? |
| 18:04.53 | JademusSreg | Quite true. |
| 18:05.18 | JademusSreg | Well, moderate height, dark, and indescribably handsome. |
| 18:05.21 | Deaod | tall, oily hair and a master conman |
| 18:05.44 | JademusSreg | Only the part about being a master conman is accurate there. |
| 18:06.07 | JademusSreg | Anyway, if you have any script-related questions, direct them to Deaod. |
| 18:06.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:06.10 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 18:06.14 | Deaod | why? |
| 18:06.23 | JademusSreg | (Because I'm busy.) |
| 18:06.40 | IskatuMesk | Deaod, what function makes coffee for me? |
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| 18:06.56 | Deaod | try MakeCoffee() |
| 18:09.46 | flyingspatula | how can i make pathing(H) areas stay appearing on my map while im editing it |
| 18:09.59 | flyingspatula | trying to place doodads on the correct pathing but it always disappears |
| 18:13.03 | Vailreth | go to view, in show pathing enable all of the pathing types you want to see |
| 18:13.27 | flyingspatula | weird thing is, that isnt working... |
| 18:13.38 | flyingspatula | once i click to say doodads, it just disappears again |
| 18:14.49 | Vailreth | thats weird it doesnt do that for me unless i toggle on game view |
| 18:15.07 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 18:15.14 | flyingspatula | maybe thats it lemme check |
| 18:17.04 | flyingspatula | how exactly do u toggle that on and off |
| 18:17.11 | Vailreth | v |
| 18:18.01 | flyingspatula | weird |
| 18:18.04 | flyingspatula | still not working |
| 18:18.08 | flyingspatula | like |
| 18:18.28 | flyingspatula | if I go into the pathing brush make some pathing on terrain |
| 18:18.34 | flyingspatula | then go to say doodad brush,then it disappars |
| 18:18.38 | flyingspatula | it doesnt disappear for u? |
| 18:19.13 | Vailreth | i have all of the pathing types enabled in the view Show Pathing |
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| 18:19.53 | Vailreth | i mean no it dosent disappear |
| 18:20.02 | Vailreth | with those on |
| 18:20.11 | flyingspatula | only thing that works for me is the wiremesh thing |
| 18:20.14 | Taintedwisp | LOL someone thinks im an experienced mapper :D |
| 18:20.28 | flyingspatula | showmesh |
| 18:20.41 | flyingspatula | and that just makes everythign red and shows object pathing but no brush pathing |
| 18:21.06 | flyingspatula | nvm |
| 18:21.15 | flyingspatula | i guess just couldnt see the red cuz it makes everything red |
| 18:21.16 | flyingspatula | thx |
| 18:21.20 | flyingspatula | wish i could remove that red mask tho |
| 18:23.00 | flyingspatula | oh it doesnt show nonpathable i guess |
| 18:24.16 | Vailreth | non pathable is overlayed in red |
| 18:24.45 | flyingspatula | right but it disappears when i move to another edit |
| 18:24.48 | flyingspatula | but green stays |
| 18:25.08 | flyingspatula | when u hit show mesh |
| 18:25.10 | flyingspatula | is ur whole map red |
| 18:25.31 | Vailreth | dont use show mesh |
| 18:25.47 | flyingspatula | nothing works if i dont |
| 18:25.51 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 18:26.18 | flyingspatula | brushed out a spot for no pathing |
| 18:26.19 | flyingspatula | in red |
| 18:26.30 | flyingspatula | then when i move to say doodad or unit tab |
| 18:26.32 | flyingspatula | its gone >.< |
| 18:26.33 | Vailreth | i mean you have to use them all not just show mesh |
| 18:26.40 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 18:26.41 | flyingspatula | i have everything but showmesh |
| 18:26.55 | flyingspatula | so u also have showmesh on? |
| 18:27.06 | Vailreth | yes |
| 18:27.11 | flyingspatula | but it turns whole map red |
| 18:27.28 | Vailreth | weird turns mine green |
| 18:27.41 | flyingspatula | lmao |
| 18:27.42 | flyingspatula | wtf |
| 18:28.11 | flyingspatula | so dumb |
| 18:28.16 | flyingspatula | whats the deal XD |
| 18:28.32 | Vailreth | because my map is mostly pathable it showing the green |
| 18:28.46 | flyingspatula | yeah my map is 100% unpathable ik guess |
| 18:28.54 | flyingspatula | but triggers return it all as pathable weird |
| 18:29.58 | Vailreth | well thats the issue |
| 18:30.13 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 18:30.20 | flyingspatula | when i make whole map pathable |
| 18:30.26 | flyingspatula | then it has 2 green layers and makes whole map solid green |
| 18:30.30 | flyingspatula | wtf >.M |
| 18:30.53 | Vailreth | is there a layer of no building pathing > |
| 18:30.55 | Vailreth | ? |
| 18:31.42 | flyingspatula | well i thot it might be because my whole map is cement, but then i switched it to grass but red didnt go away |
| 18:32.34 | flyingspatula | weird if i icnrease cliff level its green |
| 18:34.14 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 18:34.30 | flyingspatula | its because i made a cliff all the way around the map for edges, not sure why that would cause a problem |
| 18:35.57 | flyingspatula | got it working now thx. |
| 18:36.02 | flyingspatula | not sure why cliffs are messing it up |
| 18:38.19 | Taintedwisp | BWHAHAHAHA |
| 18:38.29 | Taintedwisp | and canada goes down a another peg... |
| 18:38.56 | Taintedwisp | one of the 2 semi finalist in the Ms universe is a man... |
| 18:38.57 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 18:39.51 | Taintedwisp | I hate Trans, and Gays... they ruin everything... |
| 18:40.07 | Taintedwisp | Cant even look at models anymore without wondering if its a dude |
| 18:43.10 | IskatuMesk | My tactical AI has succeeded in making Ravens do utterly nothing at all ever. |
| 18:43.12 | IskatuMesk | I am a wizard. |
| 18:43.21 | Taintedwisp | SUCCESS |
| 18:43.25 | Taintedwisp | congrats |
| 18:43.32 | IskatuMesk | thank you sir |
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| 19:02.34 | Ashamed | w00t after hours of searching found a valid tera key |
| 19:03.02 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 19:03.37 | JademusSreg | Mesk, I'll take a shot at making a more aggressive Raven tactical AI. It'll be good practice. |
| 19:04.27 | JademusSreg | Also, pastebin the script and the unit data, so I can see how it's working. |
| 19:04.38 | JademusSreg | Or rather, how it's not. |
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| 19:10.07 | flyingspatula | hey jade, do more complex footprints for doodads require more processing? |
| 19:10.21 | Gehenna | Yes they do. |
| 19:10.34 | Gehenna | Having lots of very complex footprints place around your map can lead to buggy pathing from units |
| 19:10.52 | flyingspatula | well |
| 19:11.14 | flyingspatula | mine are basically if u took a garage doodad and just made the inside pathable but the wall part on the outside not pathable |
| 19:11.24 | flyingspatula | so a 6x6 path and just made some of it walkable |
| 19:11.50 | Gehenna | Test it and see. Shouldn't cause problems. Unless you have lots of different complex foot prints throughout a 256x256 map. |
| 19:12.01 | flyingspatula | hm ok thats good then |
| 19:12.06 | flyingspatula | altho im having weird issues |
| 19:12.30 | flyingspatula | like for instants i have a barrel and its footprints is perfect in the editor according to the wireframe of it |
| 19:12.36 | flyingspatula | but in game its like 1 unit off |
| 19:14.11 | JademusSreg | I've not messed with "complex footprints"; even my custom footprints are simple. =D |
| 19:14.23 | JademusSreg | Also, is the barrel a unit or doodad? |
| 19:14.40 | flyingspatula | its a doodad |
| 19:15.07 | IskatuMesk | http://pastebin.com/PXfxC30e |
| 19:15.18 | IskatuMesk | It doesn't do anything. No missiles, turrets, or defense drones |
| 19:15.19 | flyingspatula | well i guess my garage complexity is not even 1/4 it just has alot of polygons or w/e bc i had to be precise |
| 19:15.34 | Gehenna | Hey Mesk :) |
| 19:15.41 | IskatuMesk | sup |
| 19:15.46 | IskatuMesk | (no idea who this is) |
| 19:15.49 | Gehenna | (cardinal) |
| 19:15.53 | IskatuMesk | oh boy |
| 19:16.31 | JademusSreg | I'm surprised it doesn't pop a syntax error. |
| 19:17.28 | JademusSreg | The functions you have for each ability are restatements, so it should be popping an error. |
| 19:17.30 | IskatuMesk | Nope, ever any errors |
| 19:18.28 | IskatuMesk | I save, switch maps, and away I go |
| 19:18.33 | IskatuMesk | 30+ ravens dying to one planetary fortress |
| 19:18.34 | JademusSreg | I may need to see the map. |
| 19:18.48 | IskatuMesk | this is in a mod file currently |
| 19:18.51 | flyingspatula | hey jade i have a screenshot for u if udont mind... regarding the pathing gonna make it real quick |
| 19:19.00 | Gehenna | I thought you gave up on SC2 Modding mesky? |
| 19:19.05 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 19:19.07 | IskatuMesk | sc2 has modding? |
| 19:19.10 | IskatuMesk | o.O |
| 19:19.13 | Gehenna | mapping then, ya twazzock |
| 19:19.16 | IskatuMesk | I thought you got banned for that? |
| 19:19.17 | IskatuMesk | oh! |
| 19:19.21 | IskatuMesk | I did, for two or so years. |
| 19:19.33 | Taintedwisp | BAh, hey i altered the blend in my texture sets data, and now my skybox isnt showing, and the cliffs are getting not hiding terrain cells where they go at. |
| 19:20.04 | Gehenna | Where did I get banned from? ^_^ |
| 19:20.20 | IskatuMesk | you get banned if you mod mpqs in sc2. |
| 19:20.29 | IskatuMesk | So, no mods. |
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| 19:20.35 | JademusSreg | If you are willing to put the relevant shit into a library and export it, I'll take a look. |
| 19:20.36 | ReY | hi |
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| 19:20.45 | IskatuMesk | I don't know how to do that sir |
| 19:20.47 | Taintedwisp | Mods are allowed:D, Modded gamefiles are not |
| 19:21.02 | IskatuMesk | Well, there's no mpqdraft for sc2 currently. |
| 19:21.12 | IskatuMesk | Q won't make one because, you know, it'd be illegal |
| 19:21.25 | JademusSreg | You could send me the entire mod file, but since I imagine it has gigs worth of models in it, this would be impractical. |
| 19:21.25 | Guest61516 | can anyone tell me why i have a "map lighting out-of-date" messgae when i publish my map? |
| 19:21.25 | IskatuMesk | So, only way to make a true legitimate mod is to modify the mpqs |
| 19:21.34 | IskatuMesk | It doesn't have gigs in it currently. |
| 19:21.37 | Guest61516 | i changed the lighting but its still there |
| 19:21.47 | IskatuMesk | In fact the mod is relatively simple. |
| 19:21.58 | JademusSreg | Alright. Pew it over. |
| 19:22.34 | JademusSreg | The only annoying part will be making a map to add the dependency; dealing with dependencies is annoying in general. |
| 19:23.18 | IskatuMesk | Easy. You add it, you're done. |
| 19:23.36 | JademusSreg | Yes, but changes to mod dependencies aren't update. |
| 19:23.43 | IskatuMesk | Sure they do. |
| 19:24.05 | IskatuMesk | I've never had a problem with dependencies unless I add something like Campaign Story instead of Campaign |
| 19:24.07 | JademusSreg | So working on both a map and its mod dependency simultaneously is annoying. |
| 19:24.42 | IskatuMesk | well, you only need to switch between them |
| 19:24.51 | IskatuMesk | trivial compared to the multitasking I did in sc1 |
| 19:25.51 | Gehenna | Mesk :p I'm creating Dwarf Fortress in SC2, just thought ya should know :p |
| 19:26.05 | IskatuMesk | Sc2 doesn't have physics. You're already in trouble. |
| 19:26.26 | Gehenna | Okay, I'll be honest. Mesk, I'm creating Dwarf Fortress within the confines of SC2. |
| 19:26.28 | Taintedwisp | sc2 has what blizzard calls physics |
| 19:26.41 | IskatuMesk | So basically you're making a really really bad indie port? |
| 19:26.52 | IskatuMesk | Because DF does many things sc2 could never dream of doing |
| 19:26.56 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:26.58 | Gehenna | I am aware of this :) |
| 19:27.11 | IskatuMesk | Like. DF is built on things that Blizzard's programmers couldn't do in 20 years. |
| 19:27.26 | Gehenna | The systems are relatively simple :p |
| 19:27.38 | Gehenna | The complexity comes through the sheer number of items etc |
| 19:27.44 | IskatuMesk | Which DF version are we talking about? A 8 year old one or current? |
| 19:27.55 | IskatuMesk | Because the current one is a bit of a complex piece. |
| 19:27.59 | Gehenna | *checks what version of DF I have* |
| 19:28.05 | IskatuMesk | Units actually have layers of skin and flesh with physics attributes. |
| 19:28.19 | JademusSreg | There's no custom script in this mod. Haha |
| 19:28.22 | IskatuMesk | wut? |
| 19:28.27 | IskatuMesk | of course there is |
| 19:28.28 | Gehenna | 0.31.25 |
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| 19:28.42 | IskatuMesk | Look under AI Tacticool |
| 19:29.01 | flyingspatula | Jade, basically in the picture you see the box is fine in editor but in game one side allows me to collide inside the barrel, while the other side is fine but a bit too far from the barrel still. My movement stops when the pathing isnt pathable. ( http://i40.tinypic.com/2djoriv.jpg ) |
| 19:29.10 | flyingspatula | barrel* |
| 19:29.26 | JademusSreg | It's not showing up in the map, I mean. |
| 19:29.29 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:29.33 | JademusSreg | opens the mod. |
| 19:30.03 | IskatuMesk | I think that's old card |
| 19:30.09 | IskatuMesk | it's at like 0.34.* now |
| 19:30.13 | Gehenna | Not 8 years, but not newest |
| 19:30.17 | Gehenna | Yeah just getting newest version now |
| 19:30.25 | Gehenna | Has the economy been added yet? |
| 19:30.30 | IskatuMesk | If that's the oldschool version then yeah, the new one will be very very different |
| 19:30.34 | IskatuMesk | no idea, haven't been keeping up |
| 19:30.59 | JademusSreg | Fly, is the barrel a unit or doodad? |
| 19:31.05 | Ashamed | w00t got 3 beta accoutns for tera ;) |
| 19:31.10 | flyingspatula | its a doodad |
| 19:31.18 | IskatuMesk | I had 3 too, went to my utub subs |
| 19:31.48 | JademusSreg | I've never had the issue, Fly. Weird. |
| 19:32.35 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 19:32.55 | Gehenna | Wots Tera? |
| 19:33.33 | IskatuMesk | mmo |
| 19:33.48 | JademusSreg | Alright. The custom script is in the mod, but since it's not in the top left Library frame, it's not being inherited by the map. |
| 19:34.08 | Ashamed | Gehenna an mmo that looks fairly interresting |
| 19:34.12 | Ashamed | and actually requires skillz |
| 19:34.17 | JademusSreg | And it also isn't popping syntax errors because it doesn't exist as far as the map or mod script is concerned. |
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| 19:34.27 | IskatuMesk | oh. |
| 19:34.29 | JademusSreg | So I'll move it into the library frame and see what happens. |
| 19:34.32 | IskatuMesk | well. |
| 19:34.43 | IskatuMesk | I didn't know those were actually different other than separating library information |
| 19:36.34 | Gehenna_ | I got sieged by goblins and my one squad of hammerdwarves killed about 40 goblins in 10 seconds. Was most upsetting. |
| 19:38.32 | IskatuMesk | did you run into a forgotten beast made out of poison yet? |
| 19:38.48 | Gehenna_ | No, just layers of fat and one made out of feathers. |
| 19:39.31 | Gehenna_ | I think my marksdwarves are glitched - they don't train. |
| 19:40.34 | IskatuMesk | sounds like an old bug yes |
| 19:40.36 | IskatuMesk | not sure if it was fixed |
| 19:41.02 | Gehenna_ | do you play vanilla or do you get a custom tileset? |
| 19:41.05 | Gehenna_ | I can't stand the ascii-ness |
| 19:41.12 | Gehenna_ | Years of playing rogues have turned me half blind already |
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| 19:43.34 | IskatuMesk | I was using a tileset yes |
| 19:43.56 | Gehenna_ | And what are you working on in SC2 now? |
| 19:45.35 | IskatuMesk | private campaign |
| 19:45.40 | Guest61516 | Anyone maybe get time to answer my little lighting question from before now? |
| 19:46.02 | Guest61516 | can anyone tell me why i have a "map lighting out-of-date" messagee when i publish my map? |
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| 19:46.49 | Gehenna_ | Try the toolbars at the top of the map (like, file>edit>tools>view) etc. One of them should have a Rebuild Lighting or Update Lighting option |
| 19:46.52 | Gehenna_ | Click that |
| 19:47.05 | Guest61516 | ok thanks =) |
| 19:47.12 | Guest61516 | any background information about that? |
| 19:47.22 | Gehenna_ | The problem usually arises when you're dealing with a static scene or prefab (like a map terrain) which uses a single set of global lights. |
| 19:47.34 | Gehenna_ | Altering the lighting requires it to be rebuilt / or, rendered / before you can run tests and play it. |
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| 19:48.11 | Guest61516 | thanks# |
| 19:48.12 | JademusSreg | Mesk, I'm tinkering with your script. =D |
| 19:49.12 | Guest61516 | "Generate lightning map" |
| 19:49.16 | Guest61516 | thats the one i guess? |
| 19:49.35 | Taintedwisp | \/\/ait a minute... Danget!!!, i cant make my skybox appear |
| 19:49.47 | Skizot | that's easy |
| 19:49.55 | Skizot | you gott set the cameras range |
| 19:51.47 | IskatuMesk | It's not my "script". It's my horrid amalgation of brain damage that causes the game to sputter blood when it tries to digest it. |
| 19:55.34 | Gehenna_ | lulz |
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| 19:58.40 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 19:58.41 | JademusSreg | That |
| 19:58.47 | Taintedwisp | DIE DIE DIE |
| 19:59.14 | Taintedwisp | Okay I think I am going to make a map with nothing but Special Abilities lol |
| 19:59.35 | IskatuMesk | what. |
| 19:59.58 | IskatuMesk | I'm probably going to just... autocast most of my AI abilities. |
| 20:00.18 | Gehenna_ | validators are a pain |
| 20:00.22 | Gehenna_ | most things in the editor are a pain |
| 20:01.07 | JademusSreg | Spoil my fun. |
| 20:01.28 | IskatuMesk | Google. I don't have a fucking phone. Stop asking me for one. |
| 20:01.43 | JademusSreg | Editor is easy. |
| 20:02.10 | JademusSreg | Easy like a desperate, psychologically damaged young person. |
| 20:02.23 | IskatuMesk | me? |
| 20:02.49 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 20:03.01 | JademusSreg | I'm responding to Geh. |
| 20:03.11 | IskatuMesk | no, I mean, I'm a psychogically damaged young person. |
| 20:03.15 | IskatuMesk | 24 counts as young right? |
| 20:03.18 | Gehenna_ | lulz you're not young mesky |
| 20:03.22 | IskatuMesk | sure it does |
| 20:03.26 | Gehenna_ | soon you'll be a quarter of a century |
| 20:03.51 | Gehenna_ | Jademus - but everything... EVERYTHING is so confounded and profusely longwinded to achieve. |
| 20:04.00 | IskatuMesk | indeed |
| 20:04.02 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's easy. |
| 20:04.05 | IskatuMesk | easy, but slow |
| 20:04.06 | Gehenna_ | Making a force effect. Requires about 12 effects total |
| 20:04.09 | Gehenna_ | With a couple validators thrown in |
| 20:04.21 | Gehenna_ | Just to achieve what? A unit getting knocked back a little bit. And the end result isn't even that great. |
| 20:04.39 | IskatuMesk | and you get to wait for it to redraw the ui every time you touch something |
| 20:04.47 | IskatuMesk | and fuck around with your registry |
| 20:04.53 | Gehenna_ | Yeah, that annoys the hell out of me. |
| 20:05.46 | IskatuMesk | Adding my dialogue to maps and implementing it takes years off of my life |
| 20:06.02 | Gehenna_ | I develop ulcers when I open the data editor. |
| 20:06.30 | IskatuMesk | so does HKS |
| 20:07.03 | IskatuMesk | I try to stay away from the data editor |
| 20:07.08 | IskatuMesk | but sooner or later :( |
| 20:07.24 | flyingspatula | ok i srsly dont get why making this 1x1 pathing smaller fucks up the pathing and makes random parts of it pathable |
| 20:07.28 | IskatuMesk | all of the audio needs data editor work and they really couldn't have made it more irritating |
| 20:08.02 | Gehenna_ | Try importing custom models... creating a model object... creating an actor object... creating a unit object... test it... oops you didn't export it with the specular map in the materials |
| 20:08.06 | Gehenna_ | back to square fucking 1 |
| 20:08.15 | IskatuMesk | Oh yeah. Been there done that years ago. |
| 20:08.27 | IskatuMesk | But the exporter doesn't really work very reliably, so I'm not worried about it right now. |
| 20:08.40 | IskatuMesk | Otherwise I need to fix Blizzard's blunders on a bunch of zerg units to start with |
| 20:09.05 | IskatuMesk | material settings are all over the place, there's a ton of animation and weighting issues, etc |
| 20:09.09 | Gehenna_ | My favourite has to be the walking viking. |
| 20:09.14 | IskatuMesk | oh god. |
| 20:09.33 | IskatuMesk | Also. I'm going to replace 90% of their doodads. |
| 20:09.38 | IskatuMesk | Because, honestly, they are awful. |
| 20:09.41 | Gehenna_ | What retarded intern did they give that job to at t-minus 1 hour to game launch. Here, quick make this guy walk. |
| 20:09.58 | IskatuMesk | Some intern no one will forget after he got lost in the bucket |
| 20:10.36 | Gehenna_ | Can't wait until they release us their 'art tools'. So we can see the entire game was crafted in some msdos cmd prompt-like tool. |
| 20:10.43 | IskatuMesk | Probably |
| 20:11.01 | IskatuMesk | they probably just retrofitted their diablo 2 exporter |
| 20:11.07 | IskatuMesk | only works with max 6. Again. |
| 20:11.09 | Gehenna_ | lol would not be surprised. |
| 20:11.49 | IskatuMesk | I'll have to dual boot that aids-infested Windows XP to run the version of max it supports. |
| 20:12.36 | Ashamed | no you dont |
| 20:12.38 | IskatuMesk | Yeah. I don't know why it takes two years to rar a max plugin and release it. |
| 20:12.39 | Ashamed | just VMWARE IT |
| 20:12.42 | Ashamed | or if you have 7 |
| 20:12.45 | IskatuMesk | yeah, there's that too |
| 20:12.48 | Ashamed | 7 offers a free virtualation of xp |
| 20:12.57 | IskatuMesk | only for ultimate iirc. I have home. :( |
| 20:13.16 | Ashamed | google windows 7 xp virtual desk.. I didn't think it was for a spacific version but mby |
| 20:13.25 | Ashamed | i thought you just had to run the guinine test and thats it |
| 20:13.32 | IskatuMesk | maybe they changed it |
| 20:13.40 | Ashamed | but you can always just hack VMware from a torrent lol |
| 20:13.42 | IskatuMesk | I'll have to check it out sometime, since I want to run dungeon keeper 2 |
| 20:13.45 | IskatuMesk | yeah. |
| 20:14.02 | Ashamed | dualbooting is just fucking annoying to me |
| 20:14.07 | IskatuMesk | yes |
| 20:14.35 | Gehenna_ | Ahh Dungeon Keeper 2 :) |
| 20:14.41 | Gehenna_ | I prefered 1, but 2 was amazing also. |
| 20:14.49 | IskatuMesk | never played 1 |
| 20:14.50 | Gehenna_ | Recently played Populous the Beginning and Black and White 2 again also |
| 20:14.58 | IskatuMesk | 2 was always unstable on my old computers so yeah |
| 20:15.13 | Gehenna_ | 1 had more of a sort of dungeon simulator about it |
| 20:15.21 | Gehenna_ | creatures became unhappy easily etc |
| 20:15.31 | Gehenna_ | 2 was more focussed on just bulking up and killing shit |
| 20:15.34 | Taintedwisp | I refuse windows 8... |
| 20:15.41 | Taintedwisp | I just got used to Win 7... |
| 20:15.46 | IskatuMesk | Windows ME 2 |
| 20:15.57 | IskatuMesk | Casuals will gobble it up because it's "easier" |
| 20:16.03 | Taintedwisp | I dont want a Stupid phone OS... |
| 20:16.13 | Taintedwisp | I hate phones, I dont want my computer ruined |
| 20:16.40 | Gehenna_ | Win XP = Good. Vista = Shit. Win 7 = Good. Win 8 = Shit |
| 20:17.00 | Taintedwisp | Windoes Metrosexual, Used pretty much the MAC interface, i HATE MACS TOO |
| 20:17.01 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:17.26 | Taintedwisp | Wait nvm |
| 20:17.33 | Taintedwisp | it uses the Xbox interface.. which I hate too |
| 20:17.51 | Gehenna_ | Steve Jobbs got a fatal error, blue screened all the way to those pearly gates. So now Monsieur Gátes is just going to turn Microsoft into Apple and hope no one notices. |
| 20:18.13 | Taintedwisp | I can see Games requirements now, XP ram 1Gb, Win 7 Ram 2 GBs Windows homosexual(8) 3 Gbs |
| 20:18.37 | Gehenna_ | You also fail to realise that 32bit operating systems can't use more than 4gb of ram anyway. |
| 20:18.56 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:18.56 | Taintedwisp | yeah.... |
| 20:19.15 | Taintedwisp | All I have is 3 Gbs.... |
| 20:19.22 | Taintedwisp | but I have 64 bit atleast |
| 20:19.51 | Taintedwisp | Upgradeable to 8 Gbs i think is what I was told by geek squad.. who know less about computers then me |
| 20:20.12 | Gehenna_ | You'd be better off running 32 win7 with <4gb ram. Then getting 64b when you have more than 4gb |
| 20:20.22 | Taintedwisp | Probably |
| 20:20.33 | Taintedwisp | But its all the same to me |
| 20:20.59 | Taintedwisp | I dont lag on anything I care about |
| 20:20.59 | IskatuMesk | lol @ geek squad |
| 20:20.59 | Taintedwisp | I can play SC2 on medium settings, after medium its not that big of a deal |
| 20:21.05 | Taintedwisp | Geek squad sucks... |
| 20:21.13 | Gehenna_ | http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/535636_10100384539855905_6403345_47808927_870542495_n.jpg |
| 20:21.20 | Gehenna_ | Two hexacore rigs with 64gb ram each... |
| 20:21.24 | Gehenna_ | Sitting right behind me now :) |
| 20:21.38 | Taintedwisp | Nice |
| 20:21.42 | Taintedwisp | send to my address :D |
| 20:21.58 | IskatuMesk | You can render stuff for me. |
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| 20:22.07 | Taintedwisp | I cant upgrade my rig until I get a job |
| 20:22.11 | IskatuMesk | Assuming I ever do anything 3d again. |
| 20:22.18 | Taintedwisp | So for now my Dell Inspiron 5030 will have to do the job |
| 20:22.23 | Gehenna_ | Current render queue is full until start of May, sorry :) |
| 20:22.36 | IskatuMesk | Won't be as soon as may |
| 20:22.46 | IskatuMesk | maybe 2013 |
| 20:22.50 | IskatuMesk | if I survive that long |
| 20:23.05 | Gehenna_ | you'll be fine, just eat some nirnroot |
| 20:23.10 | Gehenna_ | kill some prime evils |
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| 20:24.17 | skittles | hi |
| 20:24.18 | Taintedwisp | Here is my oh so amazing computer |
| 20:24.19 | Taintedwisp | http://www.dell.com/us/en/bpi/notebooks/inspiron-15-amd-m5030/pd.aspx?refid=inspiron-15-amd-m5030&s=bpi |
| 20:24.20 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:24.30 | skittles | im building mine right now just got it in the mail |
| 20:24.31 | Gehenna_ | www.dell--- you lost me there. |
| 20:24.50 | skittles | power supply doesn't fit though. :/ |
| 20:24.53 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:25.03 | Taintedwisp | I know |
| 20:25.11 | Taintedwisp | like I said, good enough for me, for now |
| 20:25.21 | Taintedwisp | New car comes before new computer |
| 20:25.38 | Gehenna_ | oc'd my i7's to 4.7 :) |
| 20:26.14 | skittles | geh have you pieced together your computer b4? |
| 20:26.14 | Taintedwisp | http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2041/4021/5102010015_large.jpg kind of what my car looks like, but mine is a bit beat up lol, I did a 1080 and spun into a tree |
| 20:26.57 | Gehenna_ | http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/535636_10100384539855905_6403345_47808927_870542495_n.jpg# |
| 20:27.00 | Gehenna_ | http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/535636_10100384539855905_6403345_47808927_870542495_n.jpg * |
| 20:27.03 | Gehenna_ | Yes skittes. I has. |
| 20:27.17 | Gehenna_ | Square Cube goes into Square Hole. |
| 20:27.22 | skittles | when u put the latch down on the processor |
| 20:27.23 | Gehenna_ | Round Block goes into Circle Hole. |
| 20:27.24 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 20:27.27 | skittles | does it take a lot of force? |
| 20:27.40 | Taintedwisp | lol putting computers together is the easy part |
| 20:27.43 | Gehenna_ | it should hold it securely, make sure you've got the pins on the side matching up easy. |
| 20:27.53 | Taintedwisp | its the software... and getting everything to interact I have trouble |
| 20:28.00 | skittles | Yeah it's matching and the arrows are facing the same way |
| 20:28.05 | Gehenna_ | *connect to internet* *update drivers* = done. |
| 20:28.09 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:28.28 | Gehenna_ | check the manual, should have some crudely drawn, indecipherable vector graphic showing you how to do it. |
| 20:28.35 | Gehenna_ | Usually some kind of lever / lock system. |
| 20:28.37 | skittles | yeah |
| 20:28.45 | skittles | that's what im asking though |
| 20:28.52 | skittles | am i suppose to force it down with the lever? |
| 20:29.03 | skittles | Or should it be pretty easily forced? |
| 20:29.06 | Taintedwisp | my problems are one of my cards wont connect to the rest of the computer... things like that I have trouble with, the drivers are the easy part |
| 20:29.19 | Gehenna_ | Should take a bit of effort, enough so that it is securely locked into place. |
| 20:29.26 | skittles | k |
| 20:29.35 | Gehenna_ | I have no idea of knowing how much force we're talking about now, so it's a bit of a pointless question. |
| 20:29.46 | skittles | umm |
| 20:29.59 | skittles | like... squishing a grape amount |
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| 20:30.18 | skittles | is what im trying at the moment and it doesn't go down all the way |
| 20:30.38 | Taintedwisp | if its a desktop, then dont worrie about it, you can use as much force as you deem necessary to get it in. |
| 20:30.39 | skittles | I could put more but kinda scared :/ |
| 20:30.55 | skittles | u sure? Xd |
| 20:30.58 | Gehenna_ | ignore tainted. |
| 20:31.05 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:31.17 | Gehenna_ | make sure it's 100% aligned with the guides on the side, the arrows are facing the same way, and that it is mounted/resting properly |
| 20:31.31 | skittles | yeah like 99% sure it is |
| 20:31.43 | skittles | arrows are and the holes can really only go in one way |
| 20:31.48 | Gehenna_ | then up the force until you're absolutely sure you might break it, then stop. |
| 20:33.09 | skittles | k |
| 20:33.16 | skittles | guess ill man up |
| 20:33.28 | ________________ | with a name like that you better |
| 20:33.35 | IskatuMesk | The old Athlon XP boards I had required a screw driver to unhinge the bloody cpus. |
| 20:33.47 | IskatuMesk | These cpus I only screw in plates and it's done |
| 20:35.15 | IskatuMesk | JademusSreg, how does your adventure? |
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| 20:48.12 | IskatuMesk | I think he killed himself. |
| 20:50.58 | Gehenna_ | howdy how |
| 20:52.04 | IskatuMesk | u mad |
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| 20:53.24 | Bounty | Nom Nom Nom |
| 20:55.26 | flyingspatula | i give up barrel pathing |
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| 21:02.27 | Bounty | Nom |
| 21:03.10 | JademusSreg | Pew. |
| 21:04.37 | flyingspatula | jade i hate footprints. theres no reason for it to fuck up >.< nomatter what if I make a footprint smaller than 1x1. as in I just edit a 1x1 and make a smaller box for the notpathable it messes up. but if I just make a .50 size nonpathable with pathbrush it works fine |
| 21:05.00 | flyingspatula | or if i make the 1x1 barrel pathing diagonal but i gotta keep it horizontal |
| 21:05.31 | JademusSreg | Curious why you would choose to make it square shaped when you could make "smooth" edges. |
| 21:06.04 | JademusSreg | I could take a quick look at it. |
| 21:06.10 | Xaragoth | JademusSreg: Didn't you hear? Square is the new round this season! |
| 21:06.15 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:06.51 | flyingspatula | well i sort of made it so if u run into something itll move to the left or right if its pathable to help the *getting stnagged* onto things |
| 21:06.58 | flyingspatula | even smooth edges seemed to snag |
| 21:07.05 | JademusSreg | Mesk, still working on the script; I was afk a bit. |
| 21:07.06 | flyingspatula | but i even tried smooth edges :( |
| 21:07.14 | flyingspatula | and still wouldnt work |
| 21:07.21 | flyingspatula | unless it was the full 1x1 |
| 21:07.37 | JademusSreg | Send me ze map so I can tinker with it a bit. |
| 21:07.47 | JademusSreg | I have two hypotheses. |
| 21:07.51 | Bounty | Send me it aswell |
| 21:08.17 | Bounty | I know how to fix it better than Jade |
| 21:08.19 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:08.24 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:08.30 | Bounty | I do |
| 21:08.33 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 21:08.34 | Bounty | Not even kidding |
| 21:08.43 | IskatuMesk | private project :3 |
| 21:08.45 | Bounty | Hes using simulated movement |
| 21:08.50 | JademusSreg | I do not doubt your sincerity, but your veracity. |
| 21:08.55 | Bounty | which lets you get snagged on objects |
| 21:09.03 | Bounty | He needs to ditch it |
| 21:09.08 | flyingspatula | ditch what? |
| 21:09.14 | Bounty | The simulated movement |
| 21:09.18 | flyingspatula | why? |
| 21:09.31 | Bounty | Because thats why you get snagged on shit |
| 21:09.38 | Bounty | If you use unit orders you dont get snagged |
| 21:09.40 | flyingspatula | wait what do u mean by simulated movement |
| 21:09.43 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 21:10.06 | flyingspatula | ur the one who told me to use instant XD |
| 21:10.17 | Bounty | No |
| 21:10.29 | flyingspatula | i fixed the snagging that isnt even an issue |
| 21:10.31 | Bounty | You asked if its more responsive, and i said yes... but VERY VERY VERY little lol |
| 21:10.56 | flyingspatula | the issue is when i edit a footprint, its off like as if the grid isnt right |
| 21:11.19 | flyingspatula | like when u try to place a doodad its on a set grid, well when u brush a pathing its not on the same grid |
| 21:11.21 | Bounty | You just said you're having this issue because you did something to prevent snagging |
| 21:11.23 | Bounty | right? |
| 21:11.43 | flyingspatula | nah jade was asking why i wasnt making smoothed edges |
| 21:12.01 | Bounty | You know what you could do? |
| 21:12.06 | flyingspatula | hm? |
| 21:12.09 | Bounty | Remove all footprints and manually paint the pathing |
| 21:12.13 | Bounty | Thats what i do |
| 21:12.23 | Bounty | Its alot more precise imo |
| 21:12.34 | flyingspatula | well thats what i was doing at first |
| 21:12.55 | flyingspatula | but you cant go quite as precise with brushing the path |
| 21:13.02 | flyingspatula | smaller vertecies or w/e |
| 21:13.23 | Bounty | *shrug* ive never had any issues |
| 21:13.29 | flyingspatula | i may have to just paint it for some i guess |
| 21:13.31 | flyingspatula | but its weird |
| 21:13.38 | flyingspatula | if you paint a .5x.5 box |
| 21:13.42 | flyingspatula | and then try to place a barrel on it |
| 21:13.51 | flyingspatula | its always going to be off on the grid, i think thats the issue with the footprint |
| 21:13.58 | flyingspatula | both on 2 different grids |
| 21:14.03 | Bounty | You could use pathing blockers |
| 21:14.10 | Bounty | They're small and round |
| 21:14.45 | flyingspatula | hm ill try that, if u can alter the radius |
| 21:14.54 | Bounty | they're doodads |
| 21:14.56 | Bounty | so yes |
| 21:15.05 | Bounty | just shrink em |
| 21:21.38 | flyingspatula | jade this is basically what happens after i make a smoothed edge footprint for the barrel. http://i44.tinypic.com/34yofio.jpg looks fine in editor but in game it does that |
| 21:22.10 | Bounty | did you try the pathing blockers? |
| 21:22.23 | Bounty | and just shrink them via double clickong on them |
| 21:22.40 | flyingspatula | yeah i may end up doing that, im just curious as to why pathing is doing this still |
| 21:22.52 | Bounty | Just stop right there imo lol |
| 21:22.58 | flyingspatula | -_- |
| 21:22.59 | Bounty | You will forever be lost in the question |
| 21:23.09 | flyingspatula | well |
| 21:23.11 | Bounty | Its just one of those things you learn |
| 21:23.13 | Bounty | that sucks |
| 21:23.17 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:23.17 | Bounty | and u move on >< |
| 21:23.34 | Bounty | Like |
| 21:23.47 | Bounty | I would like to see Move Unit Instantly but over a period of time |
| 21:23.57 | Bounty | like move unit to point X over Y seconds |
| 21:24.03 | Bounty | instead of just instant |
| 21:25.43 | flyingspatula | wouldnt that be pretty much same as order move |
| 21:25.49 | Bounty | nah |
| 21:25.59 | Bounty | because you can do some cool effects with move unit instantly |
| 21:26.02 | Bounty | like knockbacks |
| 21:26.03 | Bounty | etc |
| 21:26.12 | Bounty | but you have to repeat the move unit instantly like 50 times |
| 21:26.16 | Bounty | to make it look right |
| 21:26.46 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:26.48 | Bounty | That way you can continue to move |
| 21:26.55 | Bounty | and still feels the effects of the knockback |
| 21:27.01 | Bounty | its good for collision with vehicles aswell |
| 21:28.49 | flyingspatula | i think u could just do move instnat on top of ordering a unit move |
| 21:38.21 | Bounty | yeah but what im saying is that in order to make it smooth |
| 21:38.35 | Bounty | u have to run a move instant action like 1000000000 times a second |
| 21:38.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:45.15 | flyingspatula | is there not a way to return a terrain type or pathing type of a point? u could even do that in wc3 -_- |
| 21:52.57 | Dustin | Wc3 didnt have overlaying textures |
| 21:53.05 | flyingspatula | true |
| 21:53.09 | flyingspatula | i guess that makes sense |
| 21:53.23 | flyingspatula | i wish i could atleast return a pathing type ratherthan just is passible |
| 22:00.35 | Bounty | What do you need to return the terrain type for? What are you trying to do exactl? |
| 22:01.16 | flyingspatula | just a way to determine if a player can jump over the blocked pathing |
| 22:01.34 | flyingspatula | i could use regions but dunno how efficient that would be |
| 22:01.43 | flyingspatula | like u can jump over a barrel but not a tree |
| 22:01.43 | Bounty | Well that makes no sense |
| 22:01.48 | Bounty | What does terrain type have to do with pathing |
| 22:01.58 | flyingspatula | pathing type is what i meant |
| 22:02.01 | flyingspatula | lol |
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| 22:29.55 | IskatuMesk | INTERNS SHALL WEEP |
| 22:30.06 | Bounty | lolwut |
| 22:57.11 | Vailreth | interns already weep |
| 22:57.24 | Bounty | word |
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| 23:09.46 | Gehenna_ | hey |
| 23:10.12 | Gehenna_ | Anyone know why this is happening... Got a structure with pathing like a Lowered Supply Depot. It has a buff that periodically spawns a unit, but the unit spawns as though the unit had collision...? |
| 23:10.19 | Gehenna_ | Instead of, directly on top of the unit |
| 23:11.18 | JademusSreg | Could be the effect source/target points. |
| 23:11.56 | Gehenna_ | Will investigate. |
| 23:12.29 | IskatuMesk | jade did you choke yourself to death with a mustache in rage yet |
| 23:12.41 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:12.43 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 23:12.51 | JademusSreg | Programming is pleasurable. |
| 23:12.51 | Gehenna_ | Lulz. |
| 23:12.58 | Gehenna_ | Misked you Mess. |
| 23:13.43 | Bounty | Jade is an alcoholic |
| 23:15.54 | Gehenna_ | Is there any effect that can change a unit's facing? |
| 23:18.01 | JademusSreg | Not directly, of which I am aware. But then I've never had need, so I've not looked. |
| 23:20.08 | Gehenna_ | And thanks, the target point wasn't set correctly causing the offset. |
| 23:20.30 | Gehenna_ | Am I right in thinking that a Buff can't have periodic offsets, despite the fact that it can have periodic effects? And only a Create Persistent has offsetS? |
| 23:21.55 | JademusSreg | A number of effects allow the user to define offsets, but Create Persistent is the most flexible. |
| 23:22.09 | JademusSreg | And yes, behaviors don't support offsets themselves. |
| 23:26.52 | flyingspatula | jade i think editor just hates me and wont let me do pathing i want |
| 23:27.54 | flyingspatula | http://i44.tinypic.com/34yofio.jpg thats what happens when i try making a smaller path |
| 23:32.33 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 23:32.53 | flyingspatula | the cirlcle is the barrel and the red is the footpathing made |
| 23:32.57 | flyingspatula | it offsets it |
| 23:33.03 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 23:33.06 | flyingspatula | like instead of being centered the pathing starts from the edge |
| 23:33.08 | flyingspatula | its weird |
| 23:33.18 | flyingspatula | only happens when i make it a certain size |
| 23:33.30 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 23:33.34 | JademusSreg | I may have an idea. |
| 23:33.40 | flyingspatula | ;0 |
| 23:34.15 | JademusSreg | Like I said, I'd need to see the data. |
| 23:34.52 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 23:38.02 | flyingspatula | does that mean u need to see the map or a screeny of like my edited footprint |
| 23:38.23 | flyingspatula | i based it off ur endless map thing u gave me with a tree footprint |
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| 23:52.04 | flyingspatula | hey jade can u pm me so i can send u map i guess |
| 23:52.35 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 23:52.40 | flyingspatula | kk |
| 23:52.46 | Gehenna_ | put a footprint in metzens' face. It'll fix everything! |
| 23:53.10 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:53.48 | JademusSreg | There are always better uses of time than complaining. |
| 23:54.12 | Gehenna_ | Well complaining never achieves anything, so I go straight to footprinting faces. |
| 23:54.30 | Gehenna_ | Mah crop system is go. |
| 23:54.33 | Gehenna_ | Only took 4 hours. |
| 23:55.10 | Gehenna_ | plough fields, sow seeds, water fields, wheat (or other crop) emerges, water fields, wheat (or other crop) matures, harvest field / or field withers and dies. |
| 23:55.33 | Gehenna_ | Man Zynga should employ me. |
| 23:55.53 | Gehenna_ | Now time to integrate that into my Job/Task system which is fully GUI... gonna be alot of keyboard bashing now |
| 23:56.35 | Gehenna_ | So instead of ordering your units to do these things, you do the placement/first step of construction - and it will auto-search for nearby, idle and qualified colonists to carry out your menial tasks. |
| 23:57.10 | Gehenna_ | Must seek out bibendus and see how he got his dronies in hive keeper to work |
| 23:57.46 | Gehenna_ | Any thoughts, Jademus? |
| 23:57.53 | Bibendus | wut? |
| 23:58.02 | Gehenna_ | Like magic :) |
| 23:58.16 | Bibendus | yeah i use magic |
| 23:58.23 | Gehenna_ | How you make your drones go to attack designated dirt blocks or auto-search for tiles to claim by doing a little dance? :) |
| 23:59.06 | Bibendus | do you want to see how many triggers I did for that? :D |
| 23:59.11 | Gehenna_ | You used magic to appear when requested. Now use keyboard and divulge information. |
| 23:59.21 | Gehenna_ | Just throw me the jist, I want it quite optimised :p |
| 23:59.57 | Bibendus | try to make specific questions |
