| 00:10.36 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 00:31.34 | Vailreth | stupid editor being stupid.. |
| 00:34.11 | Joeffect | why is it stupid |
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| 00:43.20 | Joeffect | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhZKNZO8mQ&feature=player_embedded#! you can tap it in the morning, you can tap it at night, you can tap it in the bathroom... so funny :D |
| 00:46.35 | JademusSreg | Good delivery. |
| 00:47.34 | JademusSreg | "Precursors of April Fools' Day include the Roman festival of Hilaria, held March 25." That's an appropriate name for a holiday. |
| 00:48.07 | Joeffect | lol |
| 00:48.20 | Joeffect | hilaria amazin |
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| 00:52.37 | Taintedwisp | THERE Dinner done, House cleaned, gone to store, took off trash, NOW I CAN CONTINUE MAPPING |
| 00:52.40 | Taintedwisp | DANGET |
| 00:54.08 | Joeffect | took off trash? |
| 00:54.20 | Taintedwisp | yeha |
| 00:54.24 | Taintedwisp | to dump |
| 00:54.35 | Joeffect | that would be took out trash :P |
| 00:54.38 | Taintedwisp | loaded it up in truck, drove it 15 miles to the waste lol |
| 00:54.48 | Taintedwisp | no taking out the trash is taking it to the dumpster outside |
| 00:54.59 | Joeffect | and you went to the store |
| 00:55.17 | Taintedwisp | yes, needed Ice, sugar and drink |
| 00:55.26 | Taintedwisp | Sugar is for me, soda is for the lame ass kids |
| 00:55.26 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:55.32 | Taintedwisp | Sugar = SWEET TEA |
| 00:55.36 | Taintedwisp | which is my shit... |
| 00:55.47 | Joeffect | you didn't gone to store :P |
| 00:56.00 | Taintedwisp | good point |
| 00:56.13 | Taintedwisp | the POINT IS... im tired now because all that shit took me 3 hours |
| 00:56.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 00:57.38 | Taintedwisp | How hard is it to make a teleport pad?, or do i just use regions with kill and create? |
| 01:04.48 | JademusSreg | That would be crazy. |
| 01:05.04 | JademusSreg | Just set unit position. |
| 01:12.21 | Joeffect | lol |
| 01:12.32 | Joeffect | or use move instantly |
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| 01:13.06 | Mexa_ | https://mail.google.com/mail/help/promos/tap/index.html :D |
| 01:13.39 | Taintedwisp | hey what does Blend do? |
| 01:13.42 | Mexa_ | http://kotaku.com/5898151/april-fools-all-of-these-announcements-are-fakebut-which-ones-are-funny and those! |
| 01:13.46 | Taintedwisp | i got no blend and blend |
| 01:13.48 | Taintedwisp | what do those do? |
| 01:14.17 | Mexa_ | Taintedwisp, talking about moving a unit? |
| 01:14.25 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
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| 01:14.56 | Mexa_ | Blending allows the unit to interpolate between frames |
| 01:15.06 | SoulTaker916_ | hey is it possible to store a unit that is under construction? |
| 01:15.30 | Taintedwisp | so blending looks better? |
| 01:15.31 | Mexa_ | So, say you set the unit position each 0.0625 second, between that interval the unit will interpolate between the old and the new point internally |
| 01:15.33 | Mexa_ | Yes |
| 01:15.44 | Taintedwisp | alright blending on then |
| 01:15.45 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 01:15.48 | SoulTaker916_ | u can store a unit underconstuction in the back and recall it? |
| 01:17.14 | Taintedwisp | okay i got a problem lol |
| 01:17.20 | Taintedwisp | it moved the beacon with the unit |
| 01:18.20 | Taintedwisp | is there a way to attach a unit to a region so it ignores the trigger? |
| 01:19.00 | SoulTaker916_ | JADE I SUMMON THEE!!! |
| 01:19.04 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:19.23 | SoulTaker916_ | can u store a unit undercontruction in the bank |
| 01:19.29 | SoulTaker916_ | and recall it at the state? |
| 01:19.56 | JademusSreg | Doubt it. |
| 01:20.07 | JademusSreg | You'd need to save all the relevant information separately. |
| 01:20.12 | SoulTaker916_ | has blizzard enver talked about centralizing banks? |
| 01:20.22 | JademusSreg | Not that I recall. |
| 01:20.59 | SoulTaker916_ | gm.... |
| 01:21.01 | SoulTaker916_ | hm... |
| 01:21.14 | SoulTaker916_ | well then |
| 01:21.23 | SoulTaker916_ | i think i can still do what im thinking then |
| 01:21.25 | SoulTaker916_ | maybe |
| 01:21.28 | JademusSreg | Since the unit data type is a reference to an object managed by the engine, saving a unit's reference to a bank doesn't even make sense. |
| 01:21.48 | JademusSreg | So if you can store "units" in banks, it probably stores unit type string. |
| 01:21.55 | JademusSreg | But you should test it. |
| 01:22.20 | JademusSreg | Save a unit to the bank, then pastebin the bank's xml data so I can take a look. =D |
| 01:26.11 | Joeffect | wait what tom was back 0.o |
| 01:26.17 | Joeffect | how sad :( |
| 01:26.22 | Taintedwisp | Why cant i use a Unit-Type for unit enters region? |
| 01:26.23 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:26.33 | Joeffect | from toonami... |
| 01:28.26 | Taintedwisp | Is there a way to make it so i can use liek (unit-type) enters (Region)?\ |
| 01:28.35 | Taintedwisp | I dont want a specific unit. |
| 01:28.50 | JademusSreg | Because unit type is a string and that event takes a unitref parameter. |
| 01:29.00 | Taintedwisp | aww... |
| 01:29.13 | Taintedwisp | Well looks like I am just doing 12 events... |
| 01:29.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:29.21 | JademusSreg | unitref is an abbreviation of unit reference, so it can refer to a specific unit or no unit. |
| 01:29.39 | Taintedwisp | Ah alright thanks |
| 01:29.42 | JademusSreg | Passing it a null unitref value (Any Unit in GUI) will make it fire for all units. |
| 01:29.50 | JademusSreg | From there, just add a condition to check the unit type. |
| 01:29.53 | Taintedwisp | I dont want it to do all units |
| 01:29.58 | Taintedwisp | oh |
| 01:29.59 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:30.13 | Taintedwisp | So use any-unit and add a condition? |
| 01:30.25 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
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| 01:31.30 | Taintedwisp | I hate to ask this, but could you either just tell me, or link me to somewhere to learn about conditions? because I only have 5 options and Im confused |
| 01:31.48 | Joeffect | mostly |
| 01:31.52 | Joeffect | you want the one its on |
| 01:31.53 | Joeffect | :P |
| 01:31.58 | Joeffect | condtion |
| 01:33.56 | Taintedwisp | Well I think I found a half assed way... |
| 01:33.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:34.06 | Taintedwisp | And owner of unit does not equal player 0 |
| 01:34.07 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:34.15 | Joeffect | ? |
| 01:34.35 | Taintedwisp | Yeh he said to do something with unit types, I used owner of unit does not equal player 0 |
| 01:34.49 | Taintedwisp | != is not equal right? |
| 01:36.30 | Joeffect | just do any unit and check the unit type |
| 01:41.07 | Taintedwisp | Is the way i did it going to cause any problems? |
| 01:43.49 | Taintedwisp | Thanks I think I understand conditions now |
| 01:45.14 | Joeffect | lol |
| 01:45.30 | Joeffect | like one one the most important things you need to know |
| 01:45.35 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:45.45 | Taintedwisp | im a Terrain/Data editor |
| 01:45.45 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:45.54 | Taintedwisp | my triggers are novice at best |
| 01:48.25 | Taintedwisp | TEST TIME |
| 01:50.29 | Taintedwisp | lol tauren space marine is my test dummy |
| 01:56.03 | Taintedwisp | YAY |
| 01:56.05 | Taintedwisp | thanks guys |
| 01:56.20 | Taintedwisp | damn its 10 pm lol |
| 01:56.27 | Taintedwisp | i should go to bed soon... |
| 01:57.59 | Taintedwisp | hey what would be something fun to use as a runner? |
| 02:03.10 | flyingspatula | hey jadebaby r u there? |
| 02:09.02 | Joeffect | no hes not |
| 02:12.55 | flyingspatula | :( |
| 02:16.36 | Taintedwisp | OKAY my maps kitty will be the predator, it looks more badass then the kittys from WoW |
| 02:16.56 | Taintedwisp | Space Kitty Run |
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| 02:22.04 | Taintedwisp | hmm i need an awesome name for the map, that is recognizable as a run kitty run type map, even though mine is mazes an not one big square |
| 02:22.26 | Taintedwisp | I said it once and Ill say it agian.. ProzaicMuze sounds like some kind of depression medicine :D |
| 02:23.00 | ProzaicMuze | When people are depressed by the Data Editor |
| 02:23.01 | ProzaicMuze | they come to me |
| 02:23.03 | ProzaicMuze | it's only fitting |
| 02:23.57 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 02:26.28 | Taintedwisp | So today I completed .01% of my map. WOOHOO ALMOST DONE!! |
| 02:26.40 | Taintedwisp | just 99.99 to go |
| 02:26.47 | Taintedwisp | 99.99%* |
| 02:27.20 | Taintedwisp | 9999 days until completion |
| 02:28.36 | Joeffect | lol |
| 02:29.19 | Joeffect | progress is exponential :D |
| 02:29.23 | Taintedwisp | about 60% of this map is going to be terraining :D |
| 02:29.36 | Taintedwisp | Gotta design and build 30 mazes |
| 02:29.41 | Taintedwisp | I got 2... well more like 1.5 |
| 02:29.44 | Joeffect | thats silly |
| 02:30.04 | Taintedwisp | I want to make a fun map.. |
| 02:30.05 | Joeffect | you need to make a maze randomizer |
| 02:30.05 | Taintedwisp | kik |
| 02:30.15 | Taintedwisp | SOME mazes will be randomized |
| 02:30.24 | Joeffect | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_generation_algorithm |
| 02:30.28 | Taintedwisp | but I want the beginning mazes to be static |
| 02:30.29 | Joeffect | go |
| 02:30.50 | Taintedwisp | These arent that type of maze lol |
| 02:30.59 | Taintedwisp | and since its SC they are 3d lol |
| 02:31.23 | Joeffect | ... |
| 02:31.41 | Joeffect | because lines cant be 3d... |
| 02:31.45 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:31.58 | Taintedwisp | These mazes are more death based mazes |
| 02:32.07 | Taintedwisp | like if you step on the wrong square.. KABLOOIE |
| 02:32.10 | Taintedwisp | llol |
| 02:32.42 | Taintedwisp | I do think a simon says maze would be great for maze 3 |
| 02:33.01 | Taintedwisp | I want to make this a very advanced map... |
| 02:33.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:33.18 | Taintedwisp | The final maze I already have planed.. |
| 02:33.22 | Taintedwisp | BUT it will be very hard |
| 02:33.56 | Taintedwisp | I want to use the spinning rings, and I want to make it so units can run up them as they move on the inside of the ring, so the unit will have to rotate while its running up |
| 02:34.05 | Taintedwisp | like a roller coaster loop |
| 02:35.20 | Joeffect | uh huh |
| 02:36.15 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:36.51 | Taintedwisp | Im thinking I can do this by making it so that a unit will attach to the doodad, and will De-tach after a set amount of time so I will have to time it to detach |
| 02:37.02 | Taintedwisp | since the doodad Auto spins |
| 02:37.56 | Taintedwisp | I hope its possible |
| 02:38.31 | Joeffect | lol |
| 02:40.27 | Taintedwisp | Its like one of those ideas, that i dunno if it will actually work lol |
| 02:41.14 | Taintedwisp | HOPEFULLY the attachpoints move with the doodad |
| 02:41.35 | Taintedwisp | Thats why I am saving it for Wave 30 I feel A TON OF CONFUSION with this one |
| 02:41.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:44.26 | Joeffect | im so fucking confused |
| 02:44.42 | Joeffect | new game of thrones in on at 8 but it says repeat |
| 02:44.55 | Joeffect | and the same ep is on at 9 and says new |
| 02:45.36 | Joeffect | you need a siteop and they do move with the uni just like an actor does :P |
| 02:45.46 | Joeffect | becasuet they are all actors |
| 02:48.11 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:49.08 | Joeffect | so yeah :P |
| 02:49.17 | Taintedwisp | hmm How would I create 1 unit for each active player? |
| 02:49.41 | Joeffect | for each player |
| 02:52.05 | Joeffect | then create unit |
| 02:52.38 | Taintedwisp | thanks |
| 02:54.21 | Taintedwisp | where it says For player (value) what would I insert there? |
| 02:55.54 | Taintedwisp | http://tinypic.com/r/4jqrnb/5 |
| 02:55.54 | Joeffect | picked player |
| 02:56.43 | Joeffect | oh |
| 02:56.54 | Joeffect | make a local variable |
| 02:56.57 | Joeffect | of unit tyupe |
| 02:57.05 | Joeffect | oh no |
| 02:57.07 | Joeffect | int |
| 02:57.09 | Joeffect | sorry |
| 02:57.31 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:57.35 | Joeffect | you did a pick each player |
| 02:57.40 | Taintedwisp | i think imma just save it and end it for the night |
| 02:57.43 | Joeffect | oh wait no |
| 02:57.48 | Joeffect | i got it backwards |
| 02:58.06 | Joeffect | use a pick each player :P |
| 02:58.14 | Taintedwisp | lol dont worrie about it. ill figure this out tomorrow, im useless when tired |
| 02:58.15 | Joeffect | and use picked player |
| 03:05.40 | JademusSreg | Better to use for each, since pick each loops of the same type bug when nested. |
| 03:10.24 | flyingspatula | what exactly is the problem with pick each player |
| 03:11.06 | flyingspatula | oh when nested |
| 03:11.23 | flyingspatula | oh speaking of that |
| 03:11.36 | JademusSreg | I have other reasons for disliking it, but that's a reason that a GUI user can appreciate. |
| 03:12.39 | flyingspatula | jade, how exact does pick each player work? like could i stop the loop at a certain index? |
| 03:13.09 | flyingspatula | like pick every player and then when it finds a player that meets condition i can just break |
| 03:13.11 | flyingspatula | or no |
| 03:13.13 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 03:13.57 | flyingspatula | hm so it still acts similar to a regular loop starting from player 1 or whatever first player in the picked grp would be |
| 03:14.29 | JademusSreg | Loops don't start from player 1. |
| 03:14.34 | flyingspatula | player 0 |
| 03:14.42 | flyingspatula | well whatever u start index |
| 03:14.45 | flyingspatula | but i meant |
| 03:14.55 | flyingspatula | itll begin on the lowest player in the playergrp |
| 03:15.14 | flyingspatula | or no? i guess im not sure exactly how pick every player works |
| 03:15.21 | JademusSreg | In a Pick Each Player In Player Group, it's whatever player is in the first index. The player value itself cannot be relied upon to appear first just because it is lower. |
| 03:15.52 | flyingspatula | right, but it will pick the lowest player in the player grp its picking from |
| 03:15.56 | flyingspatula | first* |
| 03:16.04 | JademusSreg | Lowest index first. |
| 03:16.31 | flyingspatula | right so if players 1-6 were team 1 and 7-12 were team 2, picking team 2 it would always start with 7 |
| 03:16.41 | flyingspatula | well not the actual number |
| 03:16.44 | flyingspatula | i dont care about that ;p |
| 03:16.54 | flyingspatula | i can still use *picked player* fine |
| 03:17.04 | JademusSreg | If you think of a playergroup as an integer array, it would be like int[n] where n is the number of players in the playergroup. |
| 03:17.16 | JademusSreg | But no, you cannot assume 7 will be first in team 2, |
| 03:17.22 | flyingspatula | ugh |
| 03:17.27 | flyingspatula | but whuy wouldnt it be |
| 03:17.36 | JademusSreg | because the order of the players depends on how it is populated. |
| 03:17.47 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 03:17.58 | JademusSreg | And it's bad practice to make extraneous assumptions about input. |
| 03:18.13 | flyingspatula | i thought pick each player was more efficient when finding active players etc |
| 03:18.21 | flyingspatula | i first used loop but someont old me otherwise |
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| 03:19.22 | flyingspatula | i guess im just confused as to when I would use pick every player... i have no issue not using it, just i swea ryou or someone told me its more efficient to use it over a loop in some cases |
| 03:19.25 | JademusSreg | I'd estimate half of all programming features and code is dedicated to preventing users from doing shit they shouldn't. You need to code in such a way that it doesn't make assumptions about the input, but instead takes measures to handle exceptions. |
| 03:19.48 | flyingspatula | right |
| 03:20.05 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, the order of the players in the playergroup shouldn't matter. |
| 03:20.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:20.19 | flyingspatula | well |
| 03:21.20 | JademusSreg | The reason why a person would use pick each instead of a for each loop is that for each requires you to manage a local variable. |
| 03:21.58 | JademusSreg | Whereas pick each manages the incrementing variable for you. But the way it does it is what makes it susceptible to bugging when nested. |
| 03:22.02 | flyingspatula | well what about a wait loop that goes on whole game that picks only the players active in the game. rather than looping to max players |
| 03:22.13 | flyingspatula | yeah i noticed the bugging issue |
| 03:22.17 | flyingspatula | with nesting |
| 03:23.11 | JademusSreg | A simple for loop looks like this: int i; for (i=0; i<someLimiter; i+=1) { DoSomeShit(i); } |
| 03:23.30 | flyingspatula | right |
| 03:23.49 | flyingspatula | well i dont like the for loop i kinda just use the while |
| 03:23.51 | flyingspatula | but |
| 03:24.32 | flyingspatula | i suppose my question is, is there really an advantage using the pick all active players over looping to max players every like 0,0625 |
| 03:24.41 | flyingspatula | u do save some looping inside |
| 03:25.10 | JademusSreg | PlayerGroupLoopBegin(somePlayergroup); while (!PlayerGroupLoopDone()) { PlayerGroupLoopStep(); DoSomeShit(PlayerGroupLoopCurrent()); } PlayerGroupLoopEnd (); |
| 03:25.18 | JademusSreg | And that's a pick each loop. |
| 03:25.33 | JademusSreg | In galaxy. With repulsive native functions that exist just for that purpose. |
| 03:27.16 | flyingspatula | im not exactly what your trying to say though, i understandyou dot particularly like it. but i guess to make my question simpler. for instance with your refresh movement trigger for TPS, would it be more efficient to just pick all active players or still run a max player loop. i only ask because there may be many times there wont be max players in the game at some point |
| 03:27.58 | JademusSreg | (Compare for loop's 1n function calls to pick each loop's 2+3n function calls. Haha.) |
| 03:28.34 | flyingspatula | you mean how it has to return th epicked player? |
| 03:28.39 | JademusSreg | It's not just a matter of dislike; disliking something is irrelevant. It's always inefficient. |
| 03:28.46 | flyingspatula | ok gotcha |
| 03:29.02 | flyingspatula | i honestly prefer my own loop |
| 03:29.28 | flyingspatula | but i thot someone told me its better to use pick player in some cases like if say u had 6 remaining players, that means it owul dloop 6 less times over a regular one/ |
| 03:29.31 | Currydevil | picking all players is inefficient? |
| 03:29.34 | flyingspatula | but ill switch back to original |
| 03:29.45 | flyingspatula | i essentially need to use whatever is the fastest |
| 03:29.47 | flyingspatula | overall |
| 03:30.07 | flyingspatula | or less processing, whatever terminology |
| 03:31.17 | JademusSreg | It's best to use a for each using this logic: http://pastebin.com/xaMmzQGL |
| 03:31.43 | JademusSreg | Though you can pre-initialize the variable before the loop, in case you use count elsewhere in the function. |
| 03:46.05 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 03:50.19 | JademusSreg | Since pick each loops of the same type bug when nested and are less efficient than managing your own local variable, there's no good reason to use them. Moreover, since they are prone to bugging, even of you let yourself be lazy at the top-most level of the trigger, you must never use them in actions or functions, since you cannot anticipate how other users may implement them (in the case |
| 03:50.19 | JademusSreg | of copy-pasta'd snippets or libraries), and it makes your code more prone to user error. =D |
| 03:51.14 | JademusSreg | In short, never use it. But if you must (are lazy), only use them at the highest scope of the thread, in the trigger, and never in custom actions or functions. |
| 03:52.09 | flyingspatula | lol alright thx :D im lookin at that right now |
| 03:53.44 | flyingspatula | i just realized ive always used while loops instead of for loops for everything |
| 03:54.57 | JademusSreg | Using while loops is fine. |
| 03:55.41 | JademusSreg | In fact, GUI still interprets For Each into while loops in galaxy, anyway. =D |
| 03:55.51 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 03:57.17 | flyingspatula | i guess i would have to make an additional var for size of playergrp without galaxy |
| 03:57.29 | flyingspatula | i really should stop using gui but i just go so much slower |
| 03:57.49 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 03:57.54 | JademusSreg | Use what suits you. |
| 03:58.13 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 03:58.26 | JademusSreg | Galaxy and GUI are nearly equal in their language features, so you don't gain much either way. |
| 03:58.32 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 03:58.50 | flyingspatula | well i do like how u can compact things better with galaxy |
| 03:58.59 | flyingspatula | like having everything for one purpose of ur map |
| 03:59.06 | flyingspatula | in one thing, all ur functions etc |
| 03:59.27 | flyingspatula | with gui i have liek 5 million global vars |
| 03:59.31 | JademusSreg | Unless you love elegant, readable script and doing every bit of refactoring by hand, you wouldn't want to script in galaxy. |
| 03:59.31 | flyingspatula | overtime |
| 03:59.38 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 04:00.01 | flyingspatula | id still like to start trying it after i finish my map atleast |
| 04:00.07 | flyingspatula | doesnt hurt |
| 04:00.11 | JademusSreg | GUI is bloated and inefficient, most of the time, but most users don't need efficiency, they just want it to work, and GUI does that. |
| 04:00.20 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 04:00.37 | flyingspatula | well i sort of want efficiency to a point it may or may not make an actual difference in the game itself |
| 04:00.52 | flyingspatula | performance wise i suppose |
| 04:01.18 | flyingspatula | i only have a general understandong if scripting itself and not the technical side of things |
| 04:01.22 | flyingspatula | of* |
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| 04:13.46 | DarkOrbis | hey |
| 04:13.49 | DarkOrbis | I'm back |
| 04:14.06 | Joeffect | lol yeah had to watch game of thrones weee |
| 04:14.18 | JademusSreg | Don't spoil it. |
| 04:14.41 | JademusSreg | Has yet to finish downloading. |
| 04:16.02 | DarkOrbis | ???? |
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| 04:23.43 | flyingspatula | downlload |
| 04:23.44 | flyingspatula | WHERE |
| 04:23.45 | flyingspatula | omg |
| 04:23.55 | flyingspatula | i was waiting for it to be on torrent |
| 04:24.26 | flyingspatula | i mean... watchout new feenode tos is gonna get report ya to FBI! |
| 04:25.49 | flyingspatula | btw jade, on that grp loop was there a purpose as to why u made it count down instead of up? does it really matter? u said the order of a player in a player grp is dependant on when its added/removed from grp correct? |
| 04:26.20 | Joeffect | lol i watch it on hbo |
| 04:26.22 | Joeffect | :P |
| 04:26.46 | flyingspatula | for free? |
| 04:26.49 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 04:26.50 | flyingspatula | on tv |
| 04:26.51 | flyingspatula | durr lol |
| 04:26.59 | flyingspatula | i dont have hbo :( |
| 04:27.43 | JademusSreg | The direction doesn't matter. I get count and decrement because that means I have one less variable. |
| 04:27.48 | DarkOrbis | oh god, jo is still in effect |
| 04:27.51 | DarkOrbis | :P |
| 04:28.08 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 04:40.33 | Joeffect | :D |
| 05:00.12 | flyingspatula | lol game of thrones seeds went from like 10 to 1000 in less than an hour |
| 05:00.22 | flyingspatula | and liek 5x that in leechers |
| 05:00.42 | flyingspatula | sur eis a popular show huh |
| 05:03.42 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah. Almost forgot. |
| 05:03.48 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/Demos/CollideMissileDemo.SC2Map |
| 05:03.49 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 05:03.58 | flyingspatula | whtast that for |
| 05:04.08 | JademusSreg | For people who want to know what' |
| 05:04.20 | JademusSreg | what's involved in colliding missiles. |
| 05:04.32 | flyingspatula | o lol |
| 05:05.13 | JademusSreg | It has a point target and an instant, by facing. |
| 05:05.21 | flyingspatula | u should just make up a thread with every single demo/idea/concept uve ever made and let ppl download them XD |
| 05:05.33 | DarkOrbis | downloading now |
| 05:05.48 | JademusSreg | For the instant, I was lazy, and make the face ability apply a persistent to launch the point target ability's missile. |
| 05:05.51 | DarkOrbis | flyingspatula: +1 |
| 05:06.19 | JademusSreg | Q is the hotkey for point target, W for the facer. |
| 05:06.28 | JademusSreg | If you hold down W, it will fire -a lot-. |
| 05:06.29 | flyingspatula | i dont even know what apply a persinstent even means lol |
| 05:06.51 | Currydevil | lol |
| 05:07.24 | JademusSreg | Each instance of the facer ability launches 8 missiles. |
| 05:07.29 | flyingspatula | jade if i ever finish my map, i so want u to look over pieces of it and tell me if it can be optimized/done a different way better |
| 05:07.46 | JademusSreg | So holding it down for a second will launch ~16*8 missiles. |
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| 05:08.53 | JademusSreg | I'd rather judge it on its design and gameplay. But I can help you learn about good practices along the way, sure. |
| 05:09.06 | flyingspatula | ^_^ fair enough |
| 05:09.49 | flyingspatula | btw, is it good/bad to maybe stick alot of variables into a record that are specifically used for one part of the map. like gameplay elements in a gameplay record, and my third person crap in its own record... etc |
| 05:09.54 | flyingspatula | so i dont have a million loose vars |
| 05:10.16 | JademusSreg | I do that all the time. |
| 05:10.17 | Joeffect | yeah |
| 05:10.21 | flyingspatula | ah ok |
| 05:10.24 | flyingspatula | i didnt know if |
| 05:10.28 | JademusSreg | For encapsulation, mostly. |
| 05:10.46 | Joeffect | its for your own sanity :D |
| 05:10.49 | flyingspatula | technically it would mean calling the var through a record meant it requires one extra whatever... call? |
| 05:10.53 | JademusSreg | Would you rather have 100,000 loose toothpicks of 500 boxes? |
| 05:10.59 | flyingspatula | lol ya |
| 05:11.00 | Currydevil | yes |
| 05:11.10 | JademusSreg | *or |
| 05:11.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, don't worry about the overhead from records. |
| 05:11.37 | flyingspatula | ok |
| 05:12.03 | flyingspatula | i guess i am worrying too much about that type of stuff, i just want to make my map as responsive as possible on bnet |
| 05:12.12 | flyingspatula | althot i doubt anything i do really would change anyway |
| 05:12.12 | JademusSreg | Ran some tests a while ago, the difference between vars, literals, records, it's all negligible. |
| 05:12.20 | flyingspatula | hmmmm ok |
| 05:12.42 | JademusSreg | Like maybe 20ms difference per 100k operations or something. |
| 05:12.50 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 05:12.50 | Currydevil | the thing that will slow your game down is if you have too many triggers running |
| 05:12.54 | Currydevil | vars are nothing. |
| 05:13.28 | flyingspatula | so i get an idea of that, how many operations say would the refresh loop u made for moving unit around n stuff |
| 05:13.30 | flyingspatula | with full game |
| 05:13.42 | JademusSreg | Operations in general. I can make a single thread slow the game down to unplayable framerate without hitting the limit. |
| 05:13.51 | JademusSreg | But more simultaneous threads means more ops. |
| 05:13.52 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 05:13.55 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 05:13.59 | JademusSreg | So Curry is indirectly correct. |
| 05:14.03 | flyingspatula | well ive basically tryied keeping threads to a minimum |
| 05:14.14 | Currydevil | 1 endless loop will screw you ;) haha. I did it the other day |
| 05:14.16 | Joeffect | thats not even the issue |
| 05:14.20 | Currydevil | completley froze SC2 |
| 05:14.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:14.39 | Joeffect | its what you are doing in the threads that cause the lag |
| 05:14.49 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/Demos/NotGameOfLifeDemo.SC2Map |
| 05:14.53 | flyingspatula | i just have alot of checks and functions being ran inside that refresh loop. like collision, then animations, angles, jumping, movement, attacking etc |
| 05:15.06 | flyingspatula | worry it may be too much |
| 05:15.12 | Joeffect | thats a lot :D |
| 05:15.15 | JademusSreg | I used to have that Life demo set to be much larger. |
| 05:15.36 | JademusSreg | But the framerate was below 10fps, and I have a nice machine. |
| 05:15.46 | Joeffect | :D |
| 05:15.47 | flyingspatula | i mean im just doing my best to make a basic but atleats somewhat reasonable game where u can move, jump around, and not be able to run up huge inclines/cliffs, and fall off cliffs/huge inclines |
| 05:16.11 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:16.14 | flyingspatula | so it feels like a typical fps |
| 05:16.25 | flyingspatula | but without the accurate calculations needed |
| 05:16.39 | Joeffect | omg jade thats amazing :D |
| 05:16.40 | flyingspatula | since there really is no pinpoint shooting or anything |
| 05:16.45 | Joeffect | yay :D |
| 05:18.03 | flyingspatula | lol what is this doing |
| 05:18.34 | Joeffect | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life |
| 05:19.55 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 05:19.58 | flyingspatula | i neve rknw there was such a thing |
| 05:20.13 | flyingspatula | stuff starts getting stuck |
| 05:20.18 | flyingspatula | is that the point? |
| 05:20.27 | SoulTaker916_ | blizzard needs to allow centralization of the bank |
| 05:20.33 | SoulTaker916_ | has anyone suggested it? |
| 05:20.42 | Joeffect | ? |
| 05:20.56 | Joeffect | did you read what it is :P |
| 05:21.09 | Joeffect | read the rules and you will understand it |
| 05:21.21 | flyingspatula | i meant in my game everything was moving then after a while most of it stopped doing anything |
| 05:21.21 | Joeffect | im assuming thats what jade used at least |
| 05:21.24 | flyingspatula | ah lol |
| 05:24.41 | JademusSreg | (Clarify "stuck") |
| 05:27.48 | DarkOrbis | JademusSreg: lol, i was able to kill off the caster by standing close to one of the eggs then using the face missile spell |
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| 05:29.07 | DarkOrbis | i laughed |
| 05:31.27 | JademusSreg | Yep. Intentional consequence of the splash damage. |
| 05:32.05 | JademusSreg | To create more units type makeunit Sentry 12 |
| 05:32.09 | DarkOrbis | how would you prevent that? |
| 05:32.38 | JademusSreg | Go to the Point Missile Damage effect, go to its Search Filter and uncheck Player. |
| 05:33.02 | JademusSreg | makeunit is one of the game's debug commands. There's a list here: http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/general/debug-commands/ |
| 05:33.23 | DarkOrbis | so by turning off say ally and player then only enemies take damage |
| 05:34.15 | JademusSreg | Yeah, enemies and neutral. Don't turn off neutral, though; those eggs are owned by neutral. And so are destructables in most maps. |
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| 05:37.19 | JademusSreg | As for NotGameofLife, I made it out of spite, to demonstrate it was a trivial thing to make. Haha |
| 05:41.24 | DarkOrbis | Looks like this is for missile that never die unless they hit a target? |
| 05:41.37 | JademusSreg | Nope. It dies after 5 seconds. |
| 05:41.42 | DarkOrbis | ah |
| 05:42.13 | DarkOrbis | I wonder if there is a way to check if it collides with something like terrain |
| 05:42.26 | JademusSreg | If you want it to collide with stuff like cliffs and such, you'd need to include invisible units. |
| 05:42.36 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it's as tedious as it sounds. |
| 05:43.00 | DarkOrbis | awwww :( |
| 05:44.08 | JademusSreg | Or check the missile unit's current point's pathability via a dedicated thread and kill em if they're at an unpathable point. |
| 05:45.22 | JademusSreg | But then it would collide not only on cliffs and doodads, but also when travelling over pits, and that would suck. |
| 05:45.30 | DarkOrbis | so no data only option? |
| 05:45.41 | JademusSreg | There is an pure data option. |
| 05:46.39 | JademusSreg | You position not-visible units at collidable areas. |
| 05:46.45 | DarkOrbis | you said invisible units or trigger, so there's a third option? |
| 05:47.03 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 05:47.30 | DarkOrbis | invisible units means placing 100s only units if not 1000s |
| 05:47.58 | JademusSreg | Depends on the scale. |
| 05:48.51 | DarkOrbis | :/ |
| 05:49.10 | JademusSreg | Also, you don't want them to collide with the cliff collide unit, so you'd need units positioned at the top edge of cliffs to disable the collide behavior temporarily. |
| 05:49.35 | JademusSreg | That way a unit on top of the cliff can still shoot below. |
| 05:52.33 | DarkOrbis | hmmm, what about this compare cliff level validator |
| 05:52.35 | DarkOrbis | ? |
| 05:52.59 | JademusSreg | Relative to what? Haha |
| 05:53.44 | DarkOrbis | the missile |
| 05:54.10 | DarkOrbis | like if the cliff is greater then the missile's location kill the missile |
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| 05:55.15 | hobbidude | Anyone here decent with site operations and explicit rotation? |
| 05:55.41 | JademusSreg | But if the missile is already on the cliff, the comparison would be relative to what? See the problem? |
| 05:56.35 | JademusSreg | If you like, you can check the point at an offset ~ 0,-1,0, which is one cell length ahead. |
| 05:56.37 | Currydevil | What are you trying to achieve hobbidude? |
| 05:57.04 | JademusSreg | Or 0,-0.5,0 might be better. |
| 05:57.05 | hobbidude | tilting a model but i can;t findt he right angle or slope |
| 05:57.23 | hobbidude | hoping to find out exactly what the numbers mean or would be |
| 05:57.30 | Currydevil | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/4284-data-the-uberlisk/ |
| 05:57.45 | Currydevil | scroll down just a little if it doesn't take you to the numbers |
| 05:58.35 | hobbidude | yup im famliar with that |
| 05:58.46 | hobbidude | just does like 1.0 equal 90 degress? |
| 05:58.59 | Currydevil | Oh, i'm not sure =( |
| 05:59.33 | hobbidude | ya thats the thing - i need like a 30 degress slope on a model |
| 05:59.41 | Currydevil | so try .3? |
| 06:01.17 | hobbidude | also needs to be like the corner of the model so would that be like ( 0.3, 0.3, 0) ? |
| 06:01.30 | DarkOrbis | could you have an effect/behavior or something check to see if another behavior exist on the unit? |
| 06:01.37 | DarkOrbis | if not do this effect |
| 06:01.45 | Currydevil | in that case, you might need to set an offset first |
| 06:02.11 | JademusSreg | Clarify, Orb. |
| 06:02.14 | Currydevil | so in order of your site ops, you would do an offset, and then the rotation |
| 06:02.18 | hobbidude | ya if i could rotate the model first before doing the site rotation that would help alot |
| 06:03.04 | Currydevil | Only thing I can say at the moment is try it out? I haven't done it myself (not this exactly) but I've done other attachments with facings/offsets |
| 06:03.26 | Currydevil | order matters, so try an offset siteop + rotation |
| 06:03.46 | DarkOrbis | for example on the missile if the behavior doing the search is removed then do a different effect |
| 06:03.48 | hobbidude | kk |
| 06:03.50 | hobbidude | ty ill try that |
| 06:04.39 | JademusSreg | Well, sure. |
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| 06:34.30 | DarkOrbis | hmmm, JademusSreg found someone solved the cliff thing |
| 06:41.14 | JademusSreg | I cannot parse that statement / question. |
| 06:42.53 | DarkOrbis | here's what was said |
| 06:43.04 | DarkOrbis | Every 0.0625 second, check what the cliff level at the missile's position is. If it's higher than 1 (assuming things are on the first cliff level), then it collides with a cliff. In other words, call a Suicide-like effect with a validator for cliff level > 1.For better results, you may want to check points ahead on the missile's path (with a Create Persistent and offsets) rather than at the... |
| 06:43.06 | DarkOrbis | ...missile's point directly. |
| 06:43.43 | JademusSreg | Problem is the assumption it makes. |
| 06:44.13 | JademusSreg | I always aim for the solution that will work under a general set of circumstances. |
| 06:44.28 | JademusSreg | What point is there in using a missile if it is limited to a single cliff level? |
| 06:45.13 | DarkOrbis | mainly not to go up the cliff |
| 06:45.15 | JademusSreg | And in turn, that approach would necessitate the entire map consist of a single cliff level. Or branching effects switched via validator. |
| 06:45.16 | DarkOrbis | only down |
| 06:47.05 | JademusSreg | It's not an elegant solution. Of course, using units to mark off bounds isn't either. Haha |
| 06:47.44 | DarkOrbis | not every spell should be able to travel up a cliff |
| 06:49.18 | JademusSreg | I'll explain the issue I take with the approach. To work in a general set of cases, maps that may or may not contain multiple cliff levels, the source (ability, weapon, whichever) needs to use a switch effect. |
| 06:49.54 | JademusSreg | And that switch effect runs validators to check the current cliff level of the caster point. |
| 06:52.25 | JademusSreg | So if cliff level == 3, launch missile level 3, and so on down the list. And each launch effect creates a missile unit, and the missile has its own behavior, and that behavior has a validator to check the height, and so forth. You have 3 or so branches, and a lot of repeated data, and a bunch of different units and actors to manage those branches. |
| 06:55.00 | flyingspatula | i hate cliffs with passion |
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| 06:59.14 | JademusSreg | So it sounds like it could work, but I don't like that approach. It requires x*n data entries, x as the number of pathable cliff levels and n as the number of data entries for the switch cliff validator, the launch effect, the launch's action actor, the missile unit, the missile unit actor, the collide behavior, the collide behavior's periodic set effect, the other set effect to apply damage |
| 06:59.14 | JademusSreg | and suicide, the first set effect's entry to use the second set effect if another cliff validator returns true, then a search area effect, a set effect like the previous one but without the validator, the damage effect, and an action actor for the damage effect. |
| 06:59.35 | DarkOrbis | was able to do one that checks for pathable. data only |
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| 07:00.04 | DarkOrbis | so if it hits a cliff or any area ground unit collides with, bye bye missile |
| 07:00.21 | JademusSreg | Cool, but can it fire over pits? |
| 07:01.01 | JademusSreg | Can't shoot down either, which is rather counter intuitive. |
| 07:01.13 | DarkOrbis | i know, it worked though |
| 07:01.18 | DarkOrbis | thats what counts |
| 07:01.29 | JademusSreg | Haha, better than nothing, yes, I concur, |
| 07:01.51 | Currydevil | The flying spatula has departed. |
| 07:02.05 | flyingspatula | one of them |
| 07:02.06 | Currydevil | Or his clone? =O |
| 07:02.19 | flyingspatula | i somehow typed somethign weird |
| 07:02.23 | flyingspatula | and it messed up irc |
| 07:02.46 | flyingspatula | กิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิ ก้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็ กิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิิ ก้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็ กิิิิิิิิิิิิิภ|
| 07:02.51 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 07:02.54 | flyingspatula | weird |
| 07:03.08 | Currydevil | nananana? |
| 07:06.13 | DarkOrbis | JademusSreg: I got it to work |
| 07:06.24 | DarkOrbis | Fire a missile only down cliff |
| 07:06.34 | DarkOrbis | collides with the cliff |
| 07:10.22 | JademusSreg | Cool. I'd like to see it. Have you got dropbox? |
| 07:11.56 | DarkOrbis | yea |
| 07:12.05 | DarkOrbis | fixing a lag issue atm |
| 07:12.20 | DarkOrbis | never destroyed the persistent |
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| 07:12.59 | DarkOrbis | hmmm, still lags |
| 07:13.24 | DarkOrbis | maybe you'll see the issue on the lag |
| 07:15.48 | DarkOrbis | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6442151/CollideMissileDemo.SC2Map |
| 07:16.05 | JademusSreg | I'll take a look in a bit. |
| 07:16.09 | DarkOrbis | Don't know what causes the lag though |
| 07:16.23 | DarkOrbis | thought it was not destroying the persistent |
| 07:16.33 | DarkOrbis | maybe you'll know |
| 07:20.41 | DarkOrbis | at least it works though |
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| 07:35.29 | JademusSreg | I should mention the trigger to reveal the map isn't entirely necessary; the built-in debug command showmap works pretty well. =D |
| 07:36.08 | DarkOrbis | I'm use to it |
| 07:36.38 | DarkOrbis | easier then always typing it in each new game |
| 07:37.30 | DarkOrbis | if you fire alot of the missile spell it will start to lag |
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| 07:40.01 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 07:41.01 | DarkOrbis | if you fire enough it will start to lag though |
| 07:41.40 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 07:41.46 | JademusSreg | I'm going to tinker with it. |
| 07:41.47 | DarkOrbis | and it can't go up a ramp |
| 07:43.05 | JademusSreg | That's cool. |
| 07:43.18 | DarkOrbis | yup |
| 07:43.22 | DarkOrbis | it works at least |
| 07:43.30 | DarkOrbis | maybe you can improve it |
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| 07:48.30 | DarkOrbis | i found that if you want the missile to only travel up cliff you set it to less than or equal to |
| 07:49.40 | DarkOrbis | so you can set it to up cliff only or down cliff only |
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| 08:05.51 | DarkOrbis | well JademusSreg I'm gonna head off to bed now. its like 3am here |
| 08:06.06 | DarkOrbis | maybe you'll fix the lag in that map |
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| 08:12.38 | JademusSreg | Neat trick, though. Initial persistent with a validator used to compare the initial position to the current position, |
| 08:15.15 | JademusSreg | Oh, it's late. Sleep time. |
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| 11:45.44 | Boomer | Hey |
| 11:47.22 | Boomer | Has someone made a tool for designing dialogs yet? |
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| 12:03.06 | hobbidude | lol wait till 1.5 |
| 12:03.21 | hobbidude | speaking of which anyone know the due date? |
| 12:06.58 | Boomer | But I want my buttons without having to make 220000 triggers |
| 12:07.09 | Boomer | triggers and variables |
| 12:07.17 | Boomer | functions and conditions |
| 12:08.04 | hobbidude | use a action definition for creating a button |
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| 13:03.10 | flyingspatula | hey can u control how in game chat works? like prevent dead players *well dead unit/hero* from chatting or alive ppl from seeing it |
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| 14:13.43 | Ashamed | aaaahrg |
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| 14:36.39 | Ashamed | boring |
| 14:48.48 | ProzaicMuze | Question about the 64 abilities per command card limit |
| 14:49.00 | ProzaicMuze | Is that 64 per CC index (or 64 x 4) or 64 across all command cards? |
| 14:49.23 | ProzaicMuze | Trying to do an experiment and need to know what the CC button limit is |
| 15:20.44 | Ashamed | ahhhhhhh |
| 15:28.13 | Vailreth | hmm |
| 15:29.55 | Vailreth | my question is why give us 64 button slots and fucntionally only 32 abilities, do the think we will have a massive abount of toggle abilities or maybe passive buttons? |
| 15:33.27 | RipperRooX | hehehe have u seen it ? :D http://youtu.be/k007mNhvlMM |
| 15:33.50 | Vailreth | and speaking of 32 why is that the limit for most things like the switch effect can only handle 32 entries as can the combine validator |
| 15:56.54 | Ashamed | yeah i was 128 limit |
| 16:00.56 | Dustin | sup |
| 16:01.31 | Vailreth | yo |
| 16:10.14 | Dustin | flyingspatula |
| 16:10.22 | flyingspatula | sup |
| 16:10.26 | Dustin | You're going to have to use a different frame |
| 16:10.35 | Dustin | And use an event to catch player messages |
| 16:11.15 | Dustin | and then check their status, if they are alive send it to everyone if not dont etc |
| 16:12.55 | flyingspatula | well i know i can just move the chatbox in an xml file or something, and just make chat show up with some dialogs. but if someone pms u then it wont appear |
| 16:13.02 | flyingspatula | kinda ruins it |
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| 16:19.20 | Dustin | Then you're fucked :P |
| 16:19.20 | ________________ | lol thats not a thing i wanna hear after a weeks vacation |
| 16:20.11 | Dustin | Depends on who's doing the fucking :P |
| 16:20.25 | ________________ | only my gf please T.T |
| 16:20.38 | ________________ | or ill really be fucked |
| 16:20.39 | ________________ | lol |
| 16:20.59 | Dustin | Touche lol |
| 16:21.05 | Dustin | Its my 1 day off this week |
| 16:21.16 | Dustin | Time to blaze and work on sweet shit |
| 16:21.18 | ________________ | ya, most are off now instead of last week |
| 16:22.37 | ________________ | does tinyurl keep url's tiny forever"? |
| 16:22.40 | ________________ | or do they expire? |
| 16:22.55 | Ashamed | ahhhh its dustin |
| 16:24.26 | Dustin | Not sure |
| 16:24.29 | Dustin | Sup Ashamed |
| 16:25.41 | Ashamed | i forgot a joint in my car from yestedays outage |
| 16:25.51 | Ashamed | so i got a special surprise for lunch today :) |
| 16:27.44 | JademusSreg | Awaken, I did. /yoda |
| 16:29.30 | Ashamed | jademusreg that is breaking copy right you know |
| 16:29.48 | Ashamed | sued you don't want |
| 16:29.59 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 16:36.41 | flyingspatula | do u think a prophunt map where u can still talk after ur dead be a huge problem? wish i could just make it so dead players cant use chat |
| 16:37.04 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 16:37.25 | Ashamed | you should be able to some how make it so you can't use chat |
| 16:37.27 | flyingspatula | i guess i could just add a kick system... im overthinking small things i guess |
| 16:38.04 | Ashamed | just hit next |
| 16:38.32 | JademusSreg | Make the normal chat frame not visible, move the debug frame down and change its style in a custom layout file |
| 16:39.09 | flyingspatula | right i actually consisdered that but what if someone is pming with a friend, then that wont be visible |
| 16:39.15 | JademusSreg | Then whenever a chat message is detected, push it to the debug frame if the player is valid to speak. |
| 16:39.30 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 16:39.48 | JademusSreg | And since the message function has a playergroup parameter, you can regulate who sees what. |
| 16:40.03 | JademusSreg | So dead players could talk to one another, but not players. |
| 16:40.09 | flyingspatula | right right |
| 16:40.18 | flyingspatula | but the whole whisper thing goes out thewindow |
| 16:41.31 | flyingspatula | i think ill try it just to see how it works, but maybe implement later |
| 16:42.39 | DarkOrbis | hey JademusSreg |
| 16:46.15 | Dustin | Ashamed, that's the best lunch surprise ever |
| 16:46.38 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 16:47.24 | Dustin | http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1kioo6eef1qdlh1io1_400.gif |
| 16:47.37 | ________________ | lolol |
| 16:47.48 | ________________ | how old was this game? do u know? |
| 16:47.56 | Ashamed | yeah it is! |
| 16:49.03 | DarkOrbis | jade, were you able to fix the lag on that map? |
| 16:49.23 | JademusSreg | Nope. I went to sleep. |
| 16:49.57 | JademusSreg | I'll be too busy today to work on it, but I figured that it could be fixed by adding a validator. |
| 16:50.33 | JademusSreg | So in addition to the validator its using, perhaps Caster Is Not Dead. |
| 16:50.33 | DarkOrbis | what do you mean? |
| 16:50.51 | JademusSreg | That way the persistent will be destroyed when the missile dies regardless. |
| 16:51.05 | JademusSreg | No need to destroy it from the Set, which wasn't working anyway. |
| 16:51.06 | DarkOrbis | ok |
| 16:52.05 | DarkOrbis | umm, can't add a second validator |
| 16:52.21 | DarkOrbis | only allows for one periodic validator |
| 16:52.43 | JademusSreg | Combine validator. |
| 16:53.02 | JademusSreg | Which reminds me, don't modify standard data. It's bad practice. |
| 16:53.15 | JademusSreg | Add new objects whenever possible. |
| 16:53.16 | ________________ | true |
| 16:53.50 | Dustin | I wish there was like a wizard for creating complex objects |
| 16:53.56 | Dustin | Like Units |
| 16:54.03 | JademusSreg | Perhaps some day there will be. |
| 16:54.15 | ________________ | o btw jades, my essay should be ready for corecction by next week |
| 16:54.21 | Dustin | That just took you through each step and explained fields and relations |
| 16:54.22 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 16:54.25 | ________________ | correction* |
| 16:54.36 | JademusSreg | I just happen to be very busy this week, so that works out. |
| 16:54.48 | ________________ | osm |
| 16:55.09 | ________________ | wat do u do anyway, if u dont mind m asking |
| 16:56.35 | JademusSreg | Rocket surgeon. |
| 16:56.38 | DarkOrbis | damnit, lag still there |
| 16:57.20 | ________________ | Are you colloquializing your real job or are you bullshitting me? |
| 16:58.35 | JademusSreg | The latter; I don't talk about myself. |
| 16:58.44 | ________________ | aw |
| 16:58.46 | ________________ | sadness |
| 16:59.05 | DarkOrbis | he's a hot air balloon engineer |
| 16:59.09 | ________________ | im sure u at least halfway told me before, which is what makes it worse |
| 16:59.18 | Ashamed | hey i am a hot air ballon engineer! |
| 17:02.36 | JademusSreg | It's a question of motive. There's hardly any good reason for one to talk about oneself under normal circumstance; in person, it contributes to establishing a report and common ground with another person. But on the internet, social dynamics are different. Verification is more difficult. The Forever Alone guy telling you he's a girl on the internet, for example, can't even attempt the same |
| 17:02.36 | JademusSreg | deception in person. |
| 17:03.34 | Currydevil | You've told some ;) you have a daughter. |
| 17:04.04 | Currydevil | anyways, time for work. |
| 17:05.20 | DarkOrbis | damnit, JademusSreg it broke. if you go up the ramp then back to the lower area you can fire up cliff |
| 17:05.54 | JademusSreg | So when one talks about oneself, there is the question of motive, what one aims to achieve in talking about oneself. What you say about yourself, it's effectively a tool for manipulating the perceptions of others almost entirely free of the possibility of verification, it's an attempt at reinforcing a desirable self-identity than it is an expression corresponding to a discreet reality. |
| 17:05.57 | DarkOrbis | and i could fire up cliff from the other side |
| 17:06.48 | Scorp_ | It's all true, but why would people lie about their job? |
| 17:07.01 | ________________ | im glad the forever alone meme is getting referenced more... its one of my favs lol |
| 17:07.02 | JademusSreg | There is a motive to inquiry, as well. |
| 17:08.17 | JademusSreg | In my experience, people aren't sincerely interested in others, they're just waiting for their opportunity to talk about themselves. |
| 17:08.34 | ________________ | oh scorp... or to make themself feel good and hide their shames from themself by not saying it out loud :p |
| 17:08.57 | JademusSreg | I have a sincere disinterest in other people. |
| 17:08.59 | ________________ | gah, i cant imagine life without music... i would die T.T |
| 17:09.02 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 17:09.04 | ________________ | k |
| 17:14.48 | Scorp_ | I feel the opposite, I like hearing about other people's lifes and experiences (especially from other countries), but rarely talk about my own. Not that I am ashamed of my life. |
| 17:15.45 | ________________ | some peeps just like hearing others' stories more |
| 17:15.48 | ________________ | than their own |
| 17:16.08 | Ahli | Hi, I'm Ahli. I have no job as I am student. |
| 17:16.09 | Ashamed | i am ashamed of my life |
| 17:16.26 | Scorp_ | Hello Ahli, what do you study? |
| 17:16.32 | Ahli | information systems |
| 17:17.00 | Scorp_ | Interesting. How long does the education take to complete? |
| 17:17.31 | ________________ | I GET IT! |
| 17:17.37 | flyingspatula | hey I made a custom song type in the data editor with 3 songs set to shuffle 33.33% chance, and then made a soundtrack and put that in it. yet it only plays one song and then forever quits. how can i make it always shuffle nonstop |
| 17:17.57 | Ahli | 6 semesters for bachelor degree which I will achieve within the next 12 months if everything works as I planned it. |
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| 17:18.30 | Ahli | you can get the masters degree for 4 additional semesters. |
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| 17:21.26 | Scorp_ | sounds nice |
| 17:22.24 | Ahli | so, scorp. What are you doing in your life? |
| 17:23.36 | flyingspatula | lmao wtf is worng with ths stupid soundtrack. it crashes my game after first some completes |
| 17:23.47 | JademusSreg | I will point out that, though I speak in the same manner as I chat, I'm much more sociable in person. On the internet, there is words and opinions, and there is actions and content; I concern myself with the latter. |
| 17:25.50 | JademusSreg | Fly, I've not had that issue. |
| 17:26.53 | ________________ | huh, but u said u dont care about other peeps |
| 17:27.00 | ________________ | why talk at all |
| 17:27.21 | Scorp_ | Well, I go to school, swim, and mod |
| 17:27.41 | Scorp_ | nothing too interesting |
| 17:27.47 | JademusSreg | For utility. |
| 17:27.56 | ________________ | lol |
| 17:28.07 | Ashamed | training >< |
| 17:28.08 | Ashamed | erg |
| 17:28.22 | ________________ | so then how did you even remotely become interested in ur wife |
| 17:28.27 | JademusSreg | I assist other people because it has the utility of giving me pleasure. =D |
| 17:28.47 | ________________ | I wasn't just saying talking on this IRC |
| 17:28.53 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 17:28.53 | ________________ | I meant ever to anyone |
| 17:29.04 | Ashamed | ahhh |
| 17:29.13 | Ashamed | what are we talking about now? |
| 17:29.16 | Ashamed | what have i missed |
| 17:29.19 | ________________ | sex in the city |
| 17:29.31 | Ashamed | oooooh noez :( |
| 17:29.32 | ________________ | go Ashamed, quote your favorite eps |
| 17:29.33 | ________________ | gogogo |
| 17:29.40 | Ashamed | lol i wish i could..... |
| 17:29.45 | Ashamed | i have literally never seen that show |
| 17:29.56 | Ashamed | Friends did the fix for me |
| 17:30.00 | Scorp_ | Is it a show? thought it was a movie .. |
| 17:30.06 | ________________ | i turned it on once when i was like 1 years old cuz i thot it was about sex |
| 17:30.07 | ________________ | lol |
| 17:30.11 | ________________ | sadly disappointed |
| 17:30.16 | Ashamed | dude me too! |
| 17:30.21 | ________________ | comma after sadly |
| 17:30.28 | Ashamed | i remember my mom told me to never watch it |
| 17:30.31 | Ashamed | and one night i saw it on |
| 17:30.35 | Ashamed | and i was like yes BOOOBIES |
| 17:30.41 | JademusSreg | Humans derive pleasure from successful social interactions, inasfar as those interactions satisfy needs such as identity-feedback, communality, intellectual stimulation and -other- forms of stimulation. |
| 17:30.41 | Ashamed | and i turned it on and it fucken sucked |
| 17:30.58 | Dustin | Hmm |
| 17:31.39 | ________________ | so even in your more than mild disinterest, you don't fall out of that category |
| 17:32.42 | ________________ | i mean, if i had the feelings you do (just imagining them the way i think you're saying it onto myself) i'd just meh anything anyone ever said |
| 17:33.01 | ________________ | unless it was written in an article |
| 17:33.09 | ________________ | bcuz that's outside the conversation room |
| 17:33.52 | Ashamed | oh man i get lunch in 1 more hour.... |
| 17:34.00 | ________________ | lol r u @ work? |
| 17:35.47 | Mexa_ | what's that? r u @? |
| 17:36.00 | Mexa_ | Is that some sort of special K? |
| 17:36.02 | ________________ | "are you at" |
| 17:36.16 | ________________ | lmao mexa |
| 17:36.27 | Mexa_ | I know. I just thought you could type out your words yourself:P |
| 17:36.37 | ________________ | *shakes fist* |
| 17:36.56 | ________________ | i should've read who was saying that b4 replying |
| 17:37.13 | Mexa_ | Huh, how come? |
| 17:37.30 | ________________ | woulda known u were bs'ing about not knowing |
| 17:37.33 | Mexa_ | I don't usually interfere with what people is typing. |
| 17:37.43 | Mexa_ | Ah, that :> |
| 17:37.50 | JademusSreg | Not sure where "feelings" enter the conversation. Humans have social needs; I satisfy those needs with person-to-person interactions, instead of sublimating them through the internet, instead using the internet as a tool toward other productive ends. |
| 17:38.38 | ________________ | so your disinterest is saved for the internet |
| 17:39.01 | ________________ | disinterest in people i mean |
| 17:39.02 | JademusSreg | It is especially applicable to people on the internet. |
| 17:39.08 | ________________ | mmk |
| 17:39.12 | ________________ | lol |
| 17:41.03 | ________________ | on a lazier note before I create 23456 create actions, is there a way to create every unit in the game just once by a clever loop? |
| 17:42.56 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it's an oxytocin deficiency, and I'd be as gushing and open as everyone else if I ingested some MDMA. Imagine an Off-Topic forum full of "Life is sooo beautiful. I love you guys." |
| 17:43.30 | ________________ | it wouldn't be so colorful |
| 17:44.01 | JademusSreg | Colorful? |
| 17:44.24 | ________________ | you paint it like every1 is gaay with conversation all day long about life and whatnot |
| 17:44.49 | JademusSreg | Haha, naw. But that is how I behave under the influence of MDMA. |
| 17:45.03 | ________________ | hehe |
| 17:45.56 | ________________ | i will say you are good at throwing me off |
| 17:46.09 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:46.16 | ________________ | i sometimes try to guess people's personality and life story without them actually telling me but |
| 17:46.29 | ________________ | with you, all the different things you've said and done make it more difficult |
| 17:46.47 | ________________ | it's a bad habit of mine but neh |
| 17:47.08 | Scorp_ | It's not very difficult |
| 17:47.35 | ________________ | mmk go, describe Jade to me |
| 17:47.56 | JademusSreg | Not at all. Reading people is a desirable skill. However, you have little with which to work on the internet. There is a wide range of details and expressions that are lost on the medium. |
| 17:49.16 | Scorp_ | JademusSreg, you have a small and near family, your work is computer-related, and you sometimes work at home, sitting in front of your computer together with your wife drinking coffee. You have a few near friends, some related to your work, and you wear formally clothes. |
| 17:49.20 | ________________ | While that's true, I call it a bad habit (and pick up in other places where the internet drops the ball as far as 'given details) becuz I do it from a psychology pov |
| 17:49.28 | ________________ | a friend and i talked about this about a year ago |
| 17:49.37 | ________________ | since he is a psych major in college |
| 17:49.46 | ________________ | its bad to analyze your friends |
| 17:49.54 | ________________ | cuz its 2 much of a detachment |
| 17:49.58 | ________________ | where there should be a connection |
| 17:50.50 | ________________ | details should have a ' after it |
| 17:51.54 | ________________ | also, lol @ the blizz april fools... just now seeing it |
| 17:52.27 | Scorp_ | How did I do with the description? Somewhat true? |
| 17:55.12 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 17:56.00 | ________________ | lame, looks like wihout creating a base theres no way to cleverly create every unit in the game T.T |
| 17:56.39 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:56.58 | JademusSreg | You want to create one of every unit? |
| 17:57.09 | ________________ | yup |
| 17:57.24 | Ahli | loop through catalog? ;S |
| 17:58.29 | ________________ | hmmmm |
| 17:59.05 | JademusSreg | string id; for (string id = IncrementString(id); StringLength(id) < someNumber; IncrementString(id)) { UnitCreate(... , id , ...); } |
| 17:59.37 | ________________ | ya but wouldnt i have to define each unit with an id 1-9018q287309 |
| 17:59.58 | JademusSreg | No. IncrementString would need to be a custom function. |
| 18:00.15 | ________________ | gotcha gotcha, thought it was a native |
| 18:01.06 | JademusSreg | But we can't do bitshift ops on strings, so it would need to do some StringSub stuff to get it working. |
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| 18:03.25 | ________________ | stringsub? o.o |
| 18:04.16 | JademusSreg | native string StringSub (string s, int start, int end); |
| 18:04.53 | JademusSreg | The bounds are inclusive. |
| 18:05.43 | ________________ | oic |
| 18:06.11 | ________________ | time to play with this then |
| 18:06.20 | JademusSreg | So isolating the last character would be: int length = StringLEngth(someString); string c = StringSub(someString,length,length); iirc |
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| 18:07.26 | ________________ | oh, balls.... this is gonna be dirty... since there are a lot of units i want to exclude... this should be fun |
| 18:07.32 | ________________ | mmk |
| 18:08.14 | JademusSreg | Why exlcude? =D |
| 18:08.28 | ________________ | well, this is my boss pool base |
| 18:08.44 | ________________ | and theres some units... like structures, or some special units |
| 18:08.48 | ________________ | like the viprophage |
| 18:08.50 | ________________ | i want to exclude |
| 18:09.03 | JademusSreg | (Fortunately, you don't need to check the validity of the string as an id, since if it doesn't work, it won't pop an error.) |
| 18:09.41 | ________________ | ya, what you were giving me is similar to the 'create unit on demand' command i worked in with the help of your mouse pos script |
| 18:10.09 | JademusSreg | Well, I'd like to point out that the game has debug commands for making units at mouse position. |
| 18:10.09 | ________________ | realized i had to validate it myself to tell me i was spelling shiit wrong lol |
| 18:10.18 | ________________ | orly? |
| 18:10.22 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 18:10.25 | ________________ | o.o |
| 18:10.30 | ________________ | where |
| 18:10.36 | JademusSreg | makeunit Sentry 12 will create 12 Sentry units at mouse position. |
| 18:10.48 | ________________ | *goes to try it* |
| 18:10.55 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/general/debug-commands/ |
| 18:11.15 | Dustin | I need to figure out how to rotate this model |
| 18:11.44 | ________________ | o wow, never knew about this topic |
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| 18:12.03 | taintedwisp | Hey everyone |
| 18:12.05 | ________________ | lol well its not like it was hard making the script |
| 18:12.06 | ________________ | but still |
| 18:12.10 | ________________ | handy list |
| 18:12.25 | taintedwisp | So how is everyone today? |
| 18:12.30 | ________________ | shizz, some of these i had to work in myself |
| 18:12.33 | ________________ | never knew they existed |
| 18:12.34 | ________________ | ll |
| 18:12.36 | ________________ | lol* |
| 18:13.01 | Scorp_ | bored |
| 18:13.56 | taintedwisp | :D |
| 18:14.06 | taintedwisp | Make a new map and start working on it :D |
| 18:14.09 | taintedwisp | Could be fun |
| 18:15.39 | ________________ | o wow, this creep command wouldve been so useful when i was testing my zergling splitting AI 2 weeks ago |
| 18:15.41 | Scorp_ | I've thought about joining in on one of those 24h projects, but dunno what to do |
| 18:15.44 | taintedwisp | okay whos bored and has time to help me slowly figure out this, probably simple, trigger |
| 18:15.56 | taintedwisp | 24h projects? |
| 18:15.56 | ________________ | gah jades, why didn't you read my mind and tell me these existed |
| 18:16.04 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:16.27 | taintedwisp | Do like I did, go to WC2 Combat edition, and play some maps on that and re-makeone, then make it better |
| 18:16.28 | taintedwisp | :D |
| 18:16.28 | ________________ | *bookmark* |
| 18:16.29 | Scorp_ | www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/34696-just-another-tug-map-the-24-hour-tug/ |
| 18:16.34 | taintedwisp | good project for when your bored |
| 18:17.02 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you'd start chaffing 2 hours in. |
| 18:17.07 | taintedwisp | I dont like his attitude :D |
| 18:17.19 | taintedwisp | he says his map will be "Completed" |
| 18:17.31 | taintedwisp | Maps are NEVER "Completed" they just become playable |
| 18:17.33 | taintedwisp | :D |
| 18:17.41 | ________________ | true |
| 18:17.44 | Scorp_ | ^^ |
| 18:17.54 | Ahli | indeed |
| 18:18.42 | taintedwisp | Now lol, anyone know how to make it with a simplish trigger so that each Active player will get 1 (unit-type) spawned at a point? |
| 18:20.07 | JademusSreg | In one place? |
| 18:20.42 | taintedwisp | yeah but give me liek 3 minutes I think I figured it out |
| 18:20.54 | taintedwisp | Pick each player in Active players, then do the create action? |
| 18:20.57 | taintedwisp | for picked player |
| 18:21.01 | ________________ | mhmm |
| 18:22.19 | Scorp_ | yes |
| 18:22.20 | ________________ | hey jades, where can i find the debug command parameters |
| 18:22.39 | Scorp_ | Blizzard made a tutorial, take a look at it |
| 18:22.44 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 18:23.00 | ________________ | damn |
| 18:23.25 | taintedwisp | I hate blizzards tutorials |
| 18:23.37 | ________________ | but they love you |
| 18:23.37 | taintedwisp | wish they would have done videos lol |
| 18:23.47 | taintedwisp | i dont do well with text tutorials |
| 18:24.27 | Dustin | Ugh |
| 18:24.39 | Dustin | Text Tuts > Video tuts |
| 18:24.56 | Dustin | I hate having to pause the video |
| 18:25.14 | ________________ | oh gawd, 1 extra click, its like you're in a 3rd world country |
| 18:25.23 | Scorp_ | I don't like tutorials at all |
| 18:26.13 | Dustin | lol waht |
| 18:26.17 | taintedwisp | hmm my last map caused i7 gaming computers to freeze and lag, I wonder what I will do this time |
| 18:26.48 | Dustin | Hopefully learn how to scale down your requirements :P |
| 18:27.05 | ________________ | lol ouch |
| 18:27.11 | ________________ | ya wow |
| 18:27.13 | ________________ | what did u do |
| 18:27.18 | ________________ | infinite create loop? lol |
| 18:27.20 | Dustin | 1000000000000000000000 DOODADS |
| 18:27.25 | ________________ | haha |
| 18:28.29 | taintedwisp | no |
| 18:28.44 | taintedwisp | 1480 mineral fields |
| 18:28.48 | taintedwisp | lol |
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| 18:29.18 | harl | huhu |
| 18:30.03 | ________________ | huhu ^&^ |
| 18:32.36 | taintedwisp | Hey are computers considerd active players? |
| 18:32.42 | ________________ | ya |
| 18:33.41 | taintedwisp | Tiny pic = Mappers best frined lol |
| 18:33.50 | ________________ | imgur o.o |
| 18:34.05 | taintedwisp | http://i39.tinypic.com/2ithb0p.jpg |
| 18:34.21 | taintedwisp | Its only creating one predator, and its for player one |
| 18:34.31 | taintedwisp | I need 1 predator each for all active players |
| 18:34.55 | ________________ | is the computer in the game? |
| 18:35.09 | taintedwisp | Yes i think |
| 18:35.16 | taintedwisp | I set the control to computer |
| 18:35.20 | taintedwisp | doesnt that mean its in the game |
| 18:35.21 | taintedwisp | ? |
| 18:35.30 | taintedwisp | Or do i have to place a unit for it too? |
| 18:38.17 | ________________ | hm? do they have a start location? |
| 18:41.23 | taintedwisp | Hmm I could use start points... |
| 18:41.24 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:46.20 | taintedwisp | what happens if two players share start locations? |
| 18:46.32 | ________________ | dunno, never tried it |
| 18:46.39 | ________________ | probly the same as two locations on top of 1 |
| 18:46.46 | ________________ | top of eachother* |
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| 18:48.25 | ________________ | i just realized terran has a fuck ton of units |
| 18:48.32 | ________________ | compared to the other 2 race |
| 18:48.33 | ________________ | s |
| 18:59.53 | Deaod | hots will probably give zerg as many units as terrans have |
| 19:00.45 | Ahli | terra will still have most because terran stuff is the easiest to come up with |
| 19:02.27 | taintedwisp | WTH!!! |
| 19:02.30 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:02.38 | taintedwisp | my map wont load now... |
| 19:03.06 | Ahli | alt tab out of game, alt tab back into it |
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| 19:04.24 | taintedwisp | I had to end the process... |
| 19:04.31 | taintedwisp | all I did was change the starting units, and add start locations |
| 19:04.37 | taintedwisp | Shouldnt have lagged my map |
| 19:06.34 | taintedwisp | Yeah its still broken... |
| 19:06.47 | Ousnius | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/34824-ai-move-units-closer-until-theres-nothing-in-the-way/ incase someone wants to help :P |
| 19:06.50 | Ousnius | and hi |
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| 19:08.34 | taintedwisp | There I removed all start locations and undid all the data editing I did today, which wasnt much |
| 19:08.43 | ________________ | haha funny bcuz i was going to start work on that type of AI next week ousnius |
| 19:09.04 | Ousnius | :3 |
| 19:09.17 | Ousnius | damn your name is driving me crazy |
| 19:09.27 | ________________ | :) |
| 19:13.55 | Ousnius | all them pros suddenly go offline when you need em XD |
| 19:14.14 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:14.22 | taintedwisp | nah they dont go offline, they just leave their computers |
| 19:14.52 | Ousnius | no not possible |
| 19:14.59 | Ousnius | mappers cant leave their pc's |
| 19:15.11 | Ahli | I left it for buying food :o |
| 19:15.28 | Ousnius | except for vital things xD |
| 19:16.16 | Ahli | I was at university for 5 hours today, too. |
| 19:16.34 | Ousnius | you gotta study to get a good job |
| 19:16.40 | Ousnius | so you get more money and can buy food -> vital |
| 19:16.42 | Ousnius | ^-^ |
| 19:16.49 | ________________ | you could look through line of sight threads |
| 19:16.57 | ________________ | since its essentially what you want |
| 19:17.16 | Ousnius | I want line of collision not line of sight XD |
| 19:17.51 | Ousnius | well yea actually it's kinda the same ._. |
| 19:17.51 | ________________ | that wouldnt be the same in your instance since its a top down shooter? |
| 19:18.06 | ________________ | and theres no pathing |
| 19:18.13 | Ahli | oh my... another German, hallo |
| 19:18.20 | ________________ | lol |
| 19:18.23 | Ousnius | :P |
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| 19:18.37 | Ousnius | like 50% of mapster turned german |
| 19:18.45 | Fenix | SHOCKLATE is chocolate mixed with an electrical storm! |
| 19:18.54 | Ousnius | xD |
| 19:19.05 | Ousnius | so you came to say that? |
| 19:19.09 | Fenix | lol |
| 19:19.15 | Fenix | 80% true. |
| 19:19.36 | Fenix | the 20% is if I want to continue a map.. |
| 19:19.39 | Ahli | what can your bullets hit? |
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| 19:20.08 | Ousnius | units per search effect |
| 19:20.20 | Ousnius | and every location where no pathing exists |
| 19:20.29 | Ousnius | cliffs, doodads with collision etc |
| 19:21.53 | Ousnius | so I gotta check if there's something in the way from point A caster to point B target |
| 19:22.01 | Ousnius | that would block the misisle on its way |
| 19:22.05 | Ousnius | but dunno how |
| 19:22.10 | Ahli | I'm using something like that for my archers shooting arrows, but I've only units and stuff with the max size of 1x1 tiles in my way. |
| 19:22.22 | taintedwisp | I LOVE copy from parent value :D |
| 19:22.42 | Ahli | basically I've a point that I move towards the target point and check the surrounding area |
| 19:23.11 | Ousnius | wait |
| 19:23.16 | Ousnius | maybe I gotta |
| 19:24.08 | Ahli | I've solved it with a loop. In your case, you would need to add another check inside the loop to check cliff level or something like that |
| 19:24.12 | Ousnius | if (Distance A to B ) - (Pathing cost A to B) != 0 |
| 19:24.42 | Ousnius | then deactivate weapon |
| 19:24.57 | Ousnius | and activate another weapon that's melee and doesn't do damage so that the unit walks closer |
| 19:25.04 | Ahli | pathing cost is an integer... I dislike that. so you won't be 0 most of the time. |
| 19:25.45 | Ousnius | if blabla - blabla is between -1 and 1 ? |
| 19:26.10 | Ahli | what the, my kinder country is empty. it contains only air instead of choclate... |
| 19:26.25 | Ousnius | XD |
| 19:26.38 | Ousnius | kinder those f*ckn trolls |
| 19:26.53 | taintedwisp | WTF.. |
| 19:26.58 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:27.41 | taintedwisp | My kittyrunner model is attaching to the beacon automatically |
| 19:27.42 | taintedwisp | ... |
| 19:27.49 | ________________ | oh pathing cost |
| 19:30.46 | Ousnius | I'm searching for a data way atm... -.- |
| 19:31.00 | Ousnius | dont wanna fire a trigger everytime that damn missile fires |
| 19:31.25 | Ahli | good luck. tell me if you find a solution. ;D |
| 19:31.44 | Ousnius | you're so helping me right now |
| 19:31.44 | Ousnius | xD |
| 19:31.56 | ________________ | lolololol |
| 19:32.25 | ________________ | u can do the same more or less with search area that moves fwd instead of a point search or region search |
| 19:33.09 | ________________ | or fire a missile instantly from a to be and if the target got hit then continut fwd, if not then walk closer |
| 19:33.18 | ________________ | and most AI is via triggers |
| 19:33.22 | ________________ | jus tellin u |
| 19:33.31 | ________________ | since they're more fluid |
| 19:33.32 | Ahli | basically you would need a validator that does that and not effects... |
| 19:33.51 | ________________ | also, i think theres a line of sight validator if u still wanna go that route |
| 19:35.07 | Ousnius | there's a location crosses cliff one |
| 19:35.21 | Ousnius | but can't find a line of sight or collision one |
| 19:35.37 | Ousnius | oh there location sight |
| 19:36.02 | Ahli | "pathable" can be used to avoid cliffs |
| 19:36.15 | Fenix | just a random question; does sc2 support animated gif pictures? Or you have to make them via multiple simple pictures that you change rapidly in-game? |
| 19:36.59 | ________________ | it supports gifs |
| 19:37.03 | ________________ | youtube banana cheaters |
| 19:37.18 | Ousnius | sure? |
| 19:37.26 | Fenix | im not sure about that.. |
| 19:37.32 | Ousnius | well .ogg movies work |
| 19:37.32 | Fenix | thats why i'm asking the question |
| 19:37.35 | Ousnius | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/13090-library-star-movie-play-a-video-inside-map/ |
| 19:37.54 | ________________ | banana cheaters has a little movie play at the loading screen |
| 19:38.25 | Fenix | then gif is not support but ogg video format yes. |
| 19:38.49 | Ousnius | I didn't play banana cheaters but I guess he edited the yt video itself |
| 19:39.08 | ________________ | nah, thats in the map |
| 19:39.43 | ________________ | oh that is very awesome... units stay in the unit group even after they are removed from the game :) |
| 19:40.24 | Ousnius | pretty f*cked up actually xD |
| 19:40.47 | ________________ | well, for this specific instance it saves me a lot of workm :) |
| 19:40.48 | ________________ | so i like it |
| 19:40.49 | ________________ | im sure i'll hate it later |
| 19:41.51 | ________________ | o yes, this is very nice :) |
| 19:47.26 | Ousnius | NO I don't wanna do it the trigger way |
| 19:47.32 | Ousnius | NO NO NO |
| 19:47.33 | Ousnius | xD |
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| 19:50.00 | taintedwisp | UHG |
| 19:50.05 | taintedwisp | I DONT KNOW DAMMIT lol |
| 19:50.57 | taintedwisp | I made a new unit, and Copied from Predator actor, got the unit to work fine, and now a predator model is attaching to the Beacon under the units |
| 19:58.43 | Ousnius | http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7202/unbenanntrqn.jpg |
| 19:58.48 | Ousnius | lol they so stoopid |
| 19:58.55 | Ousnius | WHY GODDAMMIT |
| 19:58.57 | Ousnius | xD |
| 20:03.48 | Ousnius | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/16778-how-to-prevent-ranged-attack-if-direct-line-of-fire/#p3 |
| 20:03.57 | Ousnius | I know right Builder_Bob |
| 20:04.10 | Ousnius | but where is that validator... xD |
| 20:06.29 | ________________ | what is "picked unit" in galaxy? |
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| 20:08.34 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 20:08.56 | Ousnius | hai |
| 20:10.06 | Ousnius | oh gawd DrSuperEvil's back |
| 20:10.39 | Ousnius | he got like 4700 posts so he shouldn't hesitate to help me goddamit XD |
| 20:11.31 | Bounty | Thats the mapper way, you always hesitate to help others |
| 20:13.01 | ________________ | bounty what is the picked unit in galaxy? |
| 20:13.10 | Bounty | what? |
| 20:13.17 | ________________ | if you use a pick each unit loop |
| 20:13.26 | ________________ | what would the output be in galaxy |
| 20:13.37 | Bounty | i dont know |
| 20:13.37 | ________________ | like, in gui its "picked unit" |
| 20:13.42 | ________________ | damn |
| 20:13.47 | Bounty | you mean straight code? |
| 20:13.52 | ________________ | ya |
| 20:13.59 | Ousnius | wouldn't it be a local variable you set on your own? |
| 20:14.00 | Bounty | thats a question for JademusSreg, definently. |
| 20:14.04 | Ousnius | like |
| 20:14.09 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:14.23 | ________________ | jades whats the galaxy equivalent of "picked unit" |
| 20:14.25 | JademusSreg | I covered this last night. |
| 20:14.31 | ________________ | i was gone for a week |
| 20:14.32 | JademusSreg | Let me cp. |
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| 20:15.26 | JademusSreg | I'll pastebin this shit. |
| 20:17.08 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/8eVwecMY |
| 20:17.21 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 20:17.40 | ________________ | *rolls eyes* |
| 20:18.04 | Bounty | lol |
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| 20:26.08 | Ahli_ | :S |
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| 20:41.43 | Ashamed_ | i have finally got a unit as small as i possable can... at least i believe so |
| 20:44.32 | Bounty | Still working on that? |
| 20:44.39 | Bounty | What has been? A year now? |
| 20:44.45 | ________________ | lol |
| 20:47.08 | Ashamed_ | well i just got the unit smaller |
| 20:47.21 | Ashamed_ | and the camera is actually working better now |
| 20:47.27 | Vailreth | some days i hate the editor |
| 20:47.27 | Ashamed_ | so ha fag |
| 20:48.04 | Bounty | I think we can all agree with that Vailreth |
| 20:48.40 | Ashamed_ | i got the unit down to 0.025 - i don't think i can get it smaller |
| 20:48.51 | Vailreth | like when things that work stop working for no resason .. or things you make that mimic things blizzard has made and do not work ... |
| 20:48.51 | Ashamed_ | without making the unit look like its running 100 mph |
| 20:48.54 | Bounty | and the camera is smooth? |
| 20:48.57 | Ashamed_ | yeah bounty |
| 20:49.02 | Bounty | interesting |
| 20:49.06 | Ashamed_ | let me send the screen shot |
| 20:49.12 | Bounty | is it noticable that you're playing a unit that size? |
| 20:49.21 | Bounty | Or are you able to make it so you cant tell |
| 20:49.33 | Ashamed_ | only becuase i have yet to figure out how to get terrain resolution bigger |
| 20:49.40 | Ashamed_ | marine looks fine.. terrain looks yuck |
| 20:49.42 | Bounty | :) |
| 20:49.44 | Bounty | i know how |
| 20:49.53 | Bounty | i did it for trifaction |
| 20:49.56 | Ashamed_ | so you will be helping me with that soon enough :) |
| 20:50.04 | Bounty | enter this command |
| 20:50.11 | Bounty | texuvset 64 64 |
| 20:50.19 | Bounty | in the editor commands |
| 20:50.27 | Ashamed_ | i am not at home right now :( |
| 20:50.34 | Ashamed_ | but i will write that down |
| 20:50.35 | Bounty | well do it when u get home |
| 20:50.42 | Bounty | the default is 24 24 i believe |
| 20:51.11 | Bounty | it doenst increase the resolution |
| 20:51.18 | Bounty | but it makes it so the actual texture repeats more often |
| 20:51.22 | Bounty | so it looks better up close |
| 20:52.26 | Ashamed_ | i hope its enough lol |
| 20:52.40 | Ashamed_ | ok i took this screen shot from work through remote |
| 20:52.45 | Bounty | i mean if 64 64 isnt enough |
| 20:52.48 | Bounty | just keep upping it |
| 20:52.50 | Ashamed_ | so thats why it looks crappy |
| 20:52.55 | Ousnius_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml33IMuI1ug |
| 20:52.57 | Ashamed_ | http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6335/smallunit.png?http://img209.imageshack.us/ |
| 20:52.57 | Ousnius_ | holy f*ck |
| 20:53.03 | Ousnius_ | obama > lmfao |
| 20:53.04 | Ousnius_ | xD |
| 20:53.11 | Ashamed_ | but the left picture is editor ezie right is my camera |
| 20:53.18 | Ashamed_ | on the acrtual 0.02 unit |
| 20:53.25 | Ashamed_ | and movement and everything works already |
| 20:53.39 | Bounty | wasd? |
| 20:53.46 | Ashamed_ | nah i dont think i am going to do wasd |
| 20:53.51 | Ashamed_ | more like a diablo style movment |
| 20:53.56 | Ashamed_ | with mouse |
| 20:53.58 | Bounty | Ah |
| 20:54.06 | Bounty | i would just use the default sc2 movement then |
| 20:54.14 | Bounty | its not that big of a deal to switch to full diablo style |
| 20:54.19 | Bounty | plus its not worth the trade off |
| 20:54.21 | Bounty | imo |
| 20:54.35 | Ashamed_ | i like the mouse movement and id id it so the game does not really need to update the yaw |
| 20:54.40 | Ashamed_ | it has a prediction yaw |
| 20:54.48 | Bounty | lol? |
| 20:54.50 | Ashamed_ | and it continues the unit forward unless the camera tilts left or right |
| 20:54.51 | Bounty | a prediction? |
| 20:55.03 | Ashamed_ | yeah so unless you are changing the angle of your guy its not updating anything |
| 20:55.11 | Bounty | ah |
| 20:55.38 | Ashamed_ | so lag wise i believe it will work tested it with a buddy just fine... have not gone into any more test |
| 20:55.46 | Ashamed_ | but i am not going to test it for quite some more time |
| 20:55.53 | Ashamed_ | very slow map >< |
| 20:56.00 | Bounty | Yeah i can tell |
| 20:56.06 | Bounty | Its been well over a year now |
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| 20:56.09 | Ashamed_ | i gotz me a life |
| 20:56.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:56.19 | Ashamed_ | its my ultimate starcraft map man |
| 20:56.22 | Bounty | nice excuse |
| 20:56.28 | Ashamed_ | if i do ever release it.. it was be awsome |
| 20:56.44 | Bounty | You could have just said, i dont have much time for it >< |
| 20:56.46 | Ashamed_ | i created a system as well for towns where it will create untis and mobs only if someone is near the region |
| 20:57.07 | Ashamed_ | and i am doing this crazy shit so everything takes me 90% longer to get done |
| 20:57.09 | Bounty | Interesting |
| 20:57.21 | Ashamed_ | don't even get me started on skills/abilities |
| 20:57.26 | Ashamed_ | they are going to be hard to do lol |
| 20:57.26 | Bounty | Easy |
| 20:57.31 | Bounty | Piece of cake imo |
| 20:57.38 | Ashamed_ | you think it will be easy at 0.02 scale? |
| 20:57.46 | Bounty | no |
| 20:57.48 | Bounty | why would it? |
| 20:57.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:57.54 | Ashamed_ | that is what i am saying |
| 20:58.03 | Ashamed_ | everything that takes seconds.. takes me hours lol |
| 20:58.05 | ________________ | what's wrong with this: |
| 20:58.05 | ________________ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.21 | Bounty | GL getting an answer to that |
| 20:58.26 | Bounty | no idea what the fuck im looking at |
| 20:58.30 | Bounty | lolol |
| 20:58.30 | ________________ | lol |
| 20:58.36 | ________________ | its setting a string variable |
| 20:58.46 | ________________ | to the weapon of a unit |
| 20:58.50 | ________________ | using the func unitweaponget |
| 20:59.05 | ________________ | but obv the editor says something is wrong with it |
| 20:59.10 | Bounty | so it converts the weapon of the unit to text? |
| 20:59.15 | ________________ | ya |
| 20:59.19 | Bounty | ok |
| 20:59.23 | Bounty | What is that 3rd one? |
| 20:59.24 | ________________ | since i figured weapons were game links |
| 20:59.29 | Bounty | UnitgroupLoopcurrent |
| 20:59.38 | ________________ | a variable which is a unit |
| 20:59.46 | Bounty | also u know the stringtotext has a 2 after it ? |
| 21:00.02 | ________________ | ya thats suposd 2 b there |
| 21:00.28 | Bounty | ok so all u need for it to do is convert the name of the weapon to text? |
| 21:00.39 | ________________ | ya and put it in the variable |
| 21:00.45 | ________________ | but its yelling at me saying its wrong |
| 21:00.46 | Bounty | text variable? |
| 21:00.51 | ________________ | yup |
| 21:01.22 | Bounty | whats the event? |
| 21:01.34 | ________________ | well i get an error that i cant even save |
| 21:01.39 | ________________ | cuz the script is wrong |
| 21:01.45 | ________________ | if i delete this line it saves |
| 21:01.48 | ________________ | so its def this |
| 21:02.27 | Vailreth | god i hope for some major fixes in 1.5 |
| 21:02.57 | Bounty | i honestly have no idea _____________ |
| 21:03.01 | Bounty | i never used strings |
| 21:03.02 | ________________ | damn D: |
| 21:03.19 | ________________ | blah blah blah |
| 21:03.30 | ________________ | can u help me think of a clever way to get a unit's weapon's range then? |
| 21:03.35 | Bounty | i mean you could do it the lazy way |
| 21:03.38 | Bounty | not really lazy |
| 21:03.39 | ________________ | cuz without this string working i cant do it this way |
| 21:03.40 | Bounty | but the way i would lol |
| 21:03.43 | ________________ | how |
| 21:03.53 | Bounty | just use a fuction with a series of if thens |
| 21:03.58 | Bounty | if weapon = this |
| 21:04.01 | Bounty | set text to that |
| 21:04.04 | ________________ | oh, gotcha |
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| 21:04.11 | Bounty | set it to create thread |
| 21:04.15 | Bounty | and have it run in the loop |
| 21:04.20 | Bounty | but it wont hinder the loop |
| 21:04.24 | ________________ | T.T |
| 21:04.28 | ________________ | that'd take a while |
| 21:04.32 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:04.38 | Bounty | depending on how many weapons u have |
| 21:04.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:04.40 | ________________ | can u think of a clever way to grab a unit's weapon's range? |
| 21:04.53 | ________________ | im just trying to categorize units into melee or not |
| 21:05.03 | Bounty | oh |
| 21:05.07 | Bounty | well |
| 21:05.15 | Bounty | how many unit types do u have? |
| 21:05.28 | ________________ | maybe like 30 or 40? |
| 21:05.52 | Bounty | set its flag to be somethiung wierd |
| 21:05.58 | ________________ | LoL |
| 21:06.01 | Bounty | like u know how u can set armored, mechanical etc? |
| 21:06.10 | Bounty | set melee to.. armored or something |
| 21:06.13 | Bounty | and ranged to be hover |
| 21:06.18 | ________________ | hahahahaa |
| 21:06.21 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 21:06.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:06.27 | Bounty | thats how i call on my projectiles |
| 21:06.31 | ________________ | question, is hover ever used for any unit normally? |
| 21:06.33 | ________________ | just wondering |
| 21:06.37 | Bounty | not that i know of |
| 21:06.43 | Bounty | thats why i set it for my projectiles |
| 21:06.43 | ________________ | which other 1 is never used |
| 21:06.44 | ________________ | cuz |
| 21:06.46 | ________________ | i cant use |
| 21:06.48 | ________________ | 'a normal 1 |
| 21:06.50 | ________________ | like armored |
| 21:06.53 | Bounty | why not? |
| 21:06.54 | ________________ | i use that a lot |
| 21:06.59 | Bounty | well use ones u dont know |
| 21:07.01 | Bounty | they mean nothing |
| 21:07.03 | ________________ | LoL |
| 21:07.09 | ________________ | ok ill look through them then |
| 21:07.17 | Bounty | if u set something to be armored |
| 21:07.20 | Bounty | they're not actually armored |
| 21:07.22 | ________________ | i doubt i will find 1 unused besides hover lol |
| 21:07.22 | Bounty | just labelled as that |
| 21:07.24 | Vailreth | GAH |
| 21:07.37 | ________________ | ya i know, but i need them labelled as such |
| 21:07.41 | ________________ | for attribute bonuses |
| 21:07.52 | Bounty | brb |
| 21:08.04 | Ashamed_ | biybty |
| 21:08.05 | Ashamed_ | bounty |
| 21:08.07 | Ashamed_ | DONT GO |
| 21:08.11 | Ashamed_ | i need to ask you someting first |
| 21:08.52 | ________________ | hmmmm, i could probably do, hover and non hover |
| 21:08.58 | ________________ | for melee vs ranged |
| 21:09.09 | ________________ | lol this is such a cheating solution |
| 21:09.24 | ________________ | ill use it till it breaks or i find a cleaner 1 haha |
| 21:09.27 | ________________ | thx bounty |
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| 21:15.50 | Ashamed_ | bounty |
| 21:15.52 | Ashamed_ | PING BOUNTY |
| 21:16.33 | ________________ | hmmm |
| 21:16.52 | ________________ | Bounty: asdasdsa |
| 21:16.55 | ________________ | there u go ashamed |
| 21:17.04 | ________________ | ~ping |
| 21:17.04 | purl | ~pong |
| 21:17.07 | ________________ | lol |
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| 21:21.44 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 21:22.16 | Ashamed_ | jade mby you know |
| 21:22.46 | Ousnius_ | dayum shame it was about time |
| 21:22.46 | Ashamed_ | bounty told me to change this in the editor - texuvset i changed it to 2500 -.- you think that would cause any lag on peoples pcs? |
| 21:22.53 | Ousnius_ | I did it |
| 21:22.56 | Ousnius_ | xD |
| 21:26.19 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 21:27.00 | JademusSreg | You're refering to a texture's scale/repeat? |
| 21:27.34 | JademusSreg | It would cause lag if you had more map to render, I expect. It works perfectly in Bounty's tiny map. |
| 21:32.19 | JademusSreg | Texture rescaling is computationally intensive, relative to rendering a texture at 1:1 scale. For instance, if you make a 32*32 dialog image use a 2048*2048 texture, that's more intensive than using a 32*32 texture. |
| 21:32.37 | Ashamed_ | but in a 256 x 256 map lol |
| 21:32.49 | Ashamed_ | i am trying to get the texture close since i have that 0.02 unit |
| 21:33.14 | JademusSreg | Ah. You should test it, but that sounds like it would cause performance issues, yes. |
| 21:33.31 | Ashamed_ | yeah i gotta test it |
| 21:33.35 | Ashamed_ | i am at work right now though lol |
| 21:33.42 | Ashamed_ | it seems to load just fine for me honestly |
| 21:33.46 | Ashamed_ | but i have a great pc |
| 21:33.51 | JademusSreg | Probably depends on how much the player is seeing, though. |
| 21:34.16 | Ashamed_ | oh its all the way zoomed and i have the mask or w/e thats called for the camera set to only like 50 |
| 21:34.53 | Ashamed_ | far clip |
| 21:34.57 | Ashamed_ | that is what i was looking for |
| 21:35.01 | Ashamed_ | that is only set to around 50 |
| 21:35.11 | Ashamed_ | normal is set to what 600 or so |
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| 21:35.37 | JademusSreg | If you rescale the texture rendered to the terrain mesh by, say, half, you'd want to limit the player's view by a corresponding amount, so the player sees half as much of that area. |
| 21:36.20 | JademusSreg | Or some such. That way, you try to keep the amount of work the same. |
| 21:36.26 | Ashamed_ | i see |
| 21:36.30 | Ashamed_ | i think i will be able to do this then |
| 21:36.34 | Ashamed_ | just need to mess around a bit |
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| 21:36.54 | Ousnius_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.55 | Ousnius_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.02 | Ashamed_ | i will soon have a actual rpg -.- |
| 21:37.04 | Ousnius_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.06 | Ousnius_ | so |
| 21:37.22 | Ousnius_ | what did I do wrong? |
| 21:37.34 | Ousnius_ | sometimes they fire sometimes they don't |
| 21:37.49 | Ousnius_ | (it's a line of sight trigger= |
| 21:37.56 | flyingspatula | mysex life |
| 21:37.57 | flyingspatula | jk |
| 21:38.44 | flyingspatula | is pathing cost even useful? |
| 21:38.49 | flyingspatula | otner than for AI purposes? |
| 21:38.55 | Ousnius_ | ya |
| 21:39.27 | Ousnius_ | to get the distance of 2 points including pathing |
| 21:41.04 | Ashamed_ | soooo i am trying to do the map if i make a unit that is 0.02 percent in size and make it seem like a normal scaled unit how much bigger does that make my map? |
| 21:41.47 | Ousnius_ | 5000 times bigger |
| 21:41.54 | Ousnius_ | 100/0.02 I think |
| 21:43.17 | Ashamed_ | that seems plausable to me |
| 21:43.20 | Taintedwisp | I know that Sc2 is restricted to 3 levels, Normal, +1, +2 well and -1, but could a new level be made via XML? |
| 21:43.21 | Ousnius_ | congratulations, you now have a 1280000x1280000 map |
| 21:43.27 | Ashamed_ | ;) |
| 21:43.37 | Ashamed_ | think that is big enough for an rpg? |
| 21:43.41 | Ousnius_ | xD |
| 21:44.05 | Ousnius_ | no it couldn't |
| 21:44.08 | Taintedwisp | you know that footprints cant scale right |
| 21:44.11 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 21:44.20 | Ousnius_ | and painted pathing |
| 21:44.29 | Taintedwisp | so buildings cant have a real footprint |
| 21:44.36 | Ahli_ | the camera bounds don't like zooming camera |
| 21:44.54 | Ahli_ | so you lose some map space :S |
| 21:45.14 | Ashamed_ | well it still around that |
| 21:45.26 | Ashamed_ | it took my unit around 15 minutes to walk across one grid |
| 21:45.43 | Taintedwisp | lool |
| 21:46.09 | Taintedwisp | yeah... so for your normal nexus, it would take about 75 minutes lol |
| 21:46.13 | Taintedwisp | so GO FOR IT |
| 21:46.17 | Ashamed_ | and even did a stress test and everything runs better with that camera zoomed that low |
| 21:46.22 | Taintedwisp | lol thats the new map, Run around the nexus |
| 21:46.24 | Ashamed_ | and thats because sooo much less of the map is being displayed |
| 21:46.53 | Ashamed_ | yeah i bet it would take some time tainted i will try it and give you the amount of time lol |
| 21:47.08 | Ashamed_ | yeah pathing and footprints are going to be the hardest things to complete |
| 21:47.45 | Bounty | Nom Nom Nom |
| 21:47.58 | Ashamed_ | bounty i managed to set that number to 2500 |
| 21:48.05 | Ashamed_ | soooo lets see if that causes performance issues >< |
| 21:48.06 | Bounty | ? |
| 21:48.09 | Ashamed_ | i will testit when i get home |
| 21:48.10 | Bounty | what number |
| 21:48.11 | Ashamed_ | texuvset |
| 21:48.16 | Bounty | no |
| 21:48.19 | Bounty | dont |
| 21:48.22 | Ashamed_ | -.- |
| 21:48.24 | Bounty | that is retarded |
| 21:48.29 | Ashamed_ | nope |
| 21:48.35 | Bounty | yes |
| 21:48.35 | Vailreth | fucking hell |
| 21:48.52 | Bounty | 64 64 caused a framerate hit |
| 21:48.54 | Bounty | 2500 |
| 21:48.58 | Bounty | u are stupid |
| 21:49.02 | Bounty | if you even try to run it |
| 21:49.09 | Ashamed_ | bounty that is when you see the entire map |
| 21:49.18 | Bounty | no |
| 21:49.19 | Ashamed_ | you need to realize in my map you only load .00001 percent of the map at once |
| 21:49.27 | Ashamed_ | Yes.. i already created a game and it loaded just fine |
| 21:49.30 | Bounty | even in my maps, there is a farclip |
| 21:49.34 | Ashamed_ | i took it off |
| 21:49.37 | Bounty | do what u want lol |
| 21:49.38 | Ashamed_ | its set to 50 right now |
| 21:49.42 | Ashamed_ | i can get it to 25 even |
| 21:49.52 | Ashamed_ | the map is 5000x bigger |
| 21:50.41 | Bounty | Ashamed |
| 21:50.44 | flyingspatula | what could u possibly do with 100 miles of terrain |
| 21:50.46 | Bounty | Honestly |
| 21:50.55 | Ashamed_ | with a farclip set to 50 i can't even see where it goes black |
| 21:50.55 | Bounty | I get the feeling your project will NEVER be completed or released |
| 21:51.03 | Ashamed_ | -.- just bounties projects! |
| 21:51.10 | Ashamed_ | like* |
| 21:51.16 | Bounty | mine get released |
| 21:51.24 | Bounty | and what i see as completed >< |
| 21:51.26 | Ousnius_ | i guess bounty has the most released projects |
| 21:51.29 | Ousnius_ | xD |
| 21:51.32 | Bounty | Yep |
| 21:51.37 | Bounty | I do actually |
| 21:51.46 | Mexa | Also, many rushed ones, Imo. |
| 21:52.01 | Bounty | Not really rushed |
| 21:52.09 | Bounty | Early release maybe |
| 21:52.11 | Mexa | Well, I see too little love in them :D |
| 21:52.21 | Bounty | But i did not rush them |
| 21:52.36 | Bounty | Plus like i always said |
| 21:52.44 | JademusSreg | That's Mexa's super-nice way of being critical. |
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| 21:52.46 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:52.49 | Bounty | Nobody pays attention/plays them, fuck it then lol |
| 21:52.52 | Mexa | haha <3 |
| 21:53.16 | Bounty | Now if i should ever release a "rushed" single player game |
| 21:53.23 | Bounty | Then you can judge all you want bc there is no excuse for that |
| 21:53.36 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:54.14 | Mexa | humhum |
| 21:54.36 | Fenix | In a Pick each unit in units group and do actions, I want to add a condition; if the picked unit IS NOT = a value. then do actions. How can I do that? |
| 21:54.55 | Mexa | Speaking of nothing, I just managed to break 2 coffee cups at once :| |
| 21:56.04 | Fenix | any idea? |
| 21:56.11 | Bounty | NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOIPE |
| 21:56.19 | Fenix | D: you just broke my heart |
| 21:56.22 | Fenix | </3 |
| 21:56.25 | Bounty | Its what i do |
| 21:56.29 | Fenix | lol |
| 21:56.38 | Fenix | nah seriously, that would be helpfull |
| 21:56.55 | Bounty | SEriously, that is what i do |
| 21:56.59 | Bounty | I have no idea |
| 21:57.09 | Bounty | actually i do |
| 21:57.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:57.16 | Bounty | now that i actually just read your question |
| 21:57.30 | Bounty | how do you not know how to do that? |
| 21:57.32 | Bounty | If then else |
| 21:57.35 | Bounty | done |
| 21:57.59 | Fenix | yes i know. I just... dont find what i need lol |
| 21:58.28 | Mexa | Fenix, you change the condition operator from "equal" to "not equal" |
| 21:58.49 | Ousnius_ | how do the "within bounds" conditions work? |
| 21:58.50 | Fenix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.56 | Ousnius_ | smaller value first or bigger one first? |
| 21:59.22 | Fenix | i dont think it matters? |
| 21:59.23 | Mexa | Fenix, then change (picked unit) to "Unit type of (picked unit)" |
| 21:59.30 | Fenix | um um |
| 22:00.39 | Bounty | haha |
| 22:01.10 | Fenix | ty thats what im looking for. |
| 22:01.25 | Mexa | np. |
| 22:01.42 | Bounty | You're such a nice Person mexa |
| 22:01.46 | Bounty | Mexa_ |
| 22:01.47 | Bounty | apparently |
| 22:01.51 | Bounty | as of 18:01 |
| 22:02.02 | Bounty | Why the fuck do people do that |
| 22:02.09 | Bounty | put the _ at the end of their name |
| 22:12.57 | Mexa_ | Indication of being afk. |
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| 22:20.49 | Bounty | When was this decided? |
| 22:20.54 | Bounty | That _ meant you were afk |
| 22:22.18 | Ahli_ | irc dropped u and when u rejoined ur name was taken |
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| 22:24.43 | ________________ | that doesnt work with my name |
| 22:27.34 | Bounty | heh. |
| 22:27.38 | Bounty | If you can call that a name |
| 22:28.20 | Bounty | What if someone else comes along with your name only a less/greater amount of _ |
| 22:29.25 | ________________ | it hasn't happened yet |
| 22:29.31 | Bounty | It will |
| 22:39.49 | JademusSreg | Pew |
| 22:41.59 | Bounty | You know whwat would be cool JAdemusSreg |
| 22:42.04 | Bounty | You ever heard of that movie |
| 22:42.07 | Bounty | I am Number 4 |
| 22:42.08 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 22:42.18 | Bounty | What if someone made a team deathmatch based on that |
| 22:42.19 | JademusSreg | Heard of. |
| 22:42.24 | Bounty | like you had to kill the enemy team in order |
| 22:42.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:42.49 | JademusSreg | I heard the name of the film; dunno what it's about. |
| 22:42.54 | Bounty | yea about that |
| 22:42.57 | Bounty | something about angels |
| 22:42.59 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 22:43.03 | Bounty | but they have to be killed in order |
| 22:43.07 | Bounty | and he is the 4th in line |
| 22:43.20 | Bounty | ive never seen it either |
| 22:43.24 | JademusSreg | Angels == automatically lame |
| 22:43.25 | Bounty | but sounds cool doesnt it? |
| 22:43.45 | Bounty | All players are immortal unless they are the next to be targetted |
| 22:44.12 | JademusSreg | Immortal == respawn and you have an interesting idea. |
| 22:44.54 | Bounty | so u dont think straight up immortal could work? |
| 22:44.57 | Bounty | i could see why not |
| 22:45.05 | Bounty | even the wife just said "thats a good idea" |
| 22:45.13 | Bounty | shes the one who wanted to see the movie but i said it looked gay |
| 22:45.15 | Bounty | lolol |
| 22:49.17 | JademusSreg | The main problem is addressing what the "mortal" players will do; you know that a mortal player will avoid battle, while everyone else is fighting. |
| 22:52.29 | JademusSreg | Like two teams playing Protect Bob. |
| 22:54.20 | Bounty | Ok |
| 22:54.24 | Bounty | You there JademusSreg? |
| 22:54.33 | Bounty | I'm going to PM u something |
| 23:18.03 | flyingspatula | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:37.44 | Bounty | Who wants to help bounty |
| 23:41.26 | Dustin | with? |
| 23:41.44 | Bounty | I need to assign each player on 2 teams seperate numbers |
| 23:42.00 | Bounty | Like if the number of players on Team 1 is 4 i need them to be assigned random numbers of 1-4 |
| 23:42.12 | Bounty | without having the same number |
| 23:50.19 | Dustin | Some tricky list work |
| 23:50.49 | Dustin | Populate a list with the numbers you want to give out, give one out, remove it, loop till out of players |
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