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| 00:51.40 | AlphA_VsT | i fucking hate that shit |
| 00:53.26 | SoulTaker916_ | chill out |
| 00:53.28 | SoulTaker916_ | u wernt even around |
| 01:34.01 | Dogmai | sixen |
| 02:15.45 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
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| 02:48.20 | AlphA_VsT | sup jade |
| 02:48.25 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:54.21 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:55.07 | JademusSreg | Everyone is busy on their jet-ski unicorn laser yachts. |
| 02:56.50 | Dustin | what |
| 02:59.20 | JademusSreg | Jesting about the channel's inactivity. |
| 03:03.07 | Dustin | Gotcha :P |
| 03:05.22 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:05.36 | AlphA_VsT | im not doing shit actually 0.o |
| 03:07.33 | Dogmai | whos here |
| 03:07.46 | AlphA_VsT | me... |
| 03:07.52 | AlphA_VsT | no i wont play your shitty game :D |
| 03:07.55 | Rorschach_ | MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 03:11.35 | Dogmai | orly |
| 03:11.39 | Dogmai | i just want a stress test |
| 03:11.40 | Dogmai | thats all |
| 03:11.47 | Dogmai | 6v6 to see if the engine can handle it |
| 03:11.51 | Dogmai | and tofu's not shitty o-O |
| 03:12.00 | Dustin | dogmai |
| 03:12.03 | Dustin | ill play in a bit |
| 03:41.05 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/j2lWB.png Not sure I like it. Good textures seem to be too bright on it. |
| 03:51.49 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 04:00.01 | Currydevil | Ok, I think I got it. http://i.imgur.com/fAqBf.png that's my fav |
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| 04:51.39 | SoulTaker916_ | i have a modified GlaiveWum weapon unit and it has no model, i cant figure out how to attach ia new one to it... |
| 04:59.16 | SoulTaker916_ | ... |
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| 06:05.59 | Dustin | lol damnit I cant figureout how to delete part of a model |
| 06:07.00 | Currydevil | fun |
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| 06:19.43 | Dustin | WEll I figured ito ut but the model didnt export right or something cause its alll fucked up |
| 06:20.09 | SoulTaker916_ | hey dustin |
| 06:20.13 | SoulTaker916_ | i got a question |
| 06:20.34 | SoulTaker916_ | u available? |
| 06:20.41 | Dustin | sup |
| 06:20.53 | SoulTaker916_ | i have a modified muta attack |
| 06:21.11 | SoulTaker916_ | the unit copy of the weapon is lacking the model |
| 06:21.17 | SoulTaker916_ | and its fucking everything up |
| 06:21.26 | SoulTaker916_ | i cant figure out how to attack the model to it |
| 06:22.08 | Dustin | Go copy the muta attack actor |
| 06:22.25 | Dustin | and make sure its getting created on your weapon fireing |
| 06:22.37 | SoulTaker916_ | oh shit |
| 06:22.42 | SoulTaker916_ | looking in the wrong spot |
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| 06:47.03 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/qfaFs.png |
| 06:47.07 | Currydevil | ufo's ! |
| 06:50.15 | Dustin | nice |
| 07:13.44 | Dogmai | anyone free atm |
| 07:13.50 | Dogmai | we need 1 more for tofu test |
| 07:13.54 | Dogmai | dustin |
| 07:14.05 | Dustin | sup |
| 07:14.05 | Dustin | Ya |
| 07:14.17 | Dogmai | we're in lobby :) |
| 07:14.23 | Dogmai | do you wanna be added to skype |
| 07:14.23 | Dustin | omw |
| 07:14.46 | Dustin | nah its cool I dont think i ahve skype isntalled anymore |
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| 07:39.39 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/KwRch.png that came out nice =P |
| 07:40.12 | JademusSreg | https://p.twimg.com/AotBUpyCEAA_VxU.jpg:large |
| 07:40.54 | Currydevil | "Part of the crew, part of the ship!" |
| 07:41.56 | Currydevil | that was the first thing to come to mind, then of course came the more unsavory images =D |
| 07:50.58 | Dustin | im headed to bed dogmai |
| 07:52.50 | Dogmai | night mate |
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| 10:56.53 | hobbidude | Anyone famaliar with items + charges? |
| 11:04.37 | Kueken | a little |
| 11:05.47 | hobbidude | m |
| 11:05.59 | hobbidude | mind if i poke your brain a little? |
| 11:06.34 | hobbidude | like whats the max charge you can have? |
| 11:11.14 | Kueken | um |
| 11:11.22 | Kueken | never encountered a limit |
| 11:11.59 | Kueken | I have gone up to a few hundred, never needed more than that |
| 11:12.20 | Kueken | its possibly at integer limit |
| 11:12.24 | Kueken | a few billion |
| 11:12.32 | Kueken | why, how many do you need? |
| 11:13.01 | hobbidude | bout 250 |
| 11:13.10 | Kueken | that should work, no problem |
| 11:13.12 | hobbidude | so perfect |
| 11:13.29 | hobbidude | kk 2nd q? lol |
| 11:13.45 | Kueken | go on, dont ask if you can ask questions ;) |
| 11:14.22 | hobbidude | its it possible to have one item change the number of charges depending on the unit/weapon/abilitiy? |
| 11:14.52 | Kueken | It is possible and I did it before, however it has some strange bugs |
| 11:15.01 | Kueken | granted, I tried it a few patches ago |
| 11:15.07 | Kueken | maybe it was improved |
| 11:15.28 | hobbidude | then is there a trigger event that detect when an item is collected |
| 11:15.34 | hobbidude | or is that powerup? |
| 11:15.34 | Kueken | yes |
| 11:15.46 | RipperRoo | kueken u are still here ? :P no camping?^^ |
| 11:15.55 | hobbidude | but he's helping lol |
| 11:16.04 | Kueken | doesn't seem like it, Ripper ;) |
| 11:16.19 | Kueken | unit manipulates inventory should work |
| 11:16.22 | Kueken | for pickup |
| 11:16.41 | hobbidude | that works even its like a blank item |
| 11:17.31 | hobbidude | thinking i'd rather have a trigger detect pickup and change custom value and do the rest of a ammo system with triggers |
| 11:17.51 | Kueken | you can specify the manipulate event to only trigger on pickup |
| 11:19.34 | hobbidude | but is it manipulate even if it doesn't change anything or a unit isn't even setup for inventory |
| 11:20.14 | Kueken | the powerups used in the campaign are technically no real items |
| 11:20.32 | Kueken | at least not all of them |
| 11:20.41 | Kueken | some are just units with an autocast ability |
| 11:21.03 | Kueken | like the health pickups |
| 11:21.19 | Kueken | is a unit, which casts an autocast heal, which also kills itself |
| 11:21.22 | hobbidude | ya i was thinking something like the secret misson with chrono or whatever |
| 11:21.26 | Kueken | no inventory action involved |
| 11:21.33 | hobbidude | sweet |
| 11:21.44 | hobbidude | that an item too? |
| 11:22.13 | Kueken | its a fake item |
| 11:22.36 | hobbidude | kk sounds like triggers reall is the best way as i want 2 pickups to change ammo counts of 6 different units all with different weapons |
| 11:22.37 | Kueken | it is an autocast unit as well |
| 11:22.49 | Kueken | it just adds charges to a unit ability |
| 11:22.55 | Kueken | which you can use |
| 11:23.01 | hobbidude | mmm |
| 11:23.10 | hobbidude | that something basic or advanced? |
| 11:23.15 | flyingspatula | any idea what an actor scope is? |
| 11:23.34 | Kueken | depends |
| 11:23.39 | Kueken | its not that intuitive |
| 11:23.50 | Kueken | but if you know, how they did it, its not that hard |
| 11:23.57 | hobbidude | that why im a trigger man lol |
| 11:24.14 | Kueken | you cna do it with triggers, certainly |
| 11:24.26 | Kueken | *can |
| 11:24.43 | Kueken | flyingspatula: Every actor needs to be within a scope |
| 11:24.54 | flyingspatula | yeah it was a dumb question lol i just woke up |
| 11:25.05 | Kueken | the scope is usually defined by the main object, which created the actor |
| 11:25.10 | Kueken | most likely a unit |
| 11:25.57 | flyingspatula | lol yeah |
| 11:26.33 | hobbidude | oh ya nother q? |
| 11:26.40 | Kueken | you can have a look at Blizzard's Actor Cheats tutorial to get some insight into scopes ;) |
| 11:26.43 | hobbidude | how many cooldowns can ouy have on an ability |
| 11:26.48 | flyingspatula | i was attempting to make an actor record that u could call a random actor from it but meh ill just do it the easy way with actor and a random array |
| 11:27.08 | hobbidude | via data that is |
| 11:27.20 | Kueken | ? |
| 11:27.26 | Kueken | could you clarify |
| 11:27.43 | Kueken | you want multiple actors and select a random one from them? |
| 11:28.02 | hobbidude | like have a cooldown between every use of an ability and then a different cooldown every 5 uses say and so on |
| 11:28.03 | Kueken | or multiple actor types and create an actor with a random type? |
| 11:28.05 | hobbidude | 3 mx |
| 11:29.07 | Kueken | hobbidude: You can have 1 cooldown on the ability, and you can have 1 refresh time on charges, which technically can be used just like a cooldown |
| 11:29.10 | Kueken | so 2 |
| 11:30.12 | hobbidude | crap |
| 11:30.30 | flyingspatula | well im assuming the only way to define an actor var is referencing it via string |
| 11:30.46 | Kueken | you can set cooldowns via trigger as well, though |
| 11:30.54 | Kueken | so you can easily set up your own system |
| 11:30.55 | hobbidude | ya i know that for sure |
| 11:31.15 | hobbidude | justing thinking data might be better for small thinks like that |
| 11:31.30 | Kueken | flyingspatula: what do you mean by "defining an actor var"? |
| 11:31.39 | Kueken | you can set it just like any other variable |
| 11:32.11 | Kueken | and if you talk about the actor type, you will need a Game Link: Actor variable |
| 11:32.25 | Kueken | since an actor variable is a specific actor in the game |
| 11:32.26 | flyingspatula | ohhh |
| 11:32.43 | Kueken | and not a type |
| 11:32.47 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 11:32.49 | flyingspatula | i forgot about that |
| 11:32.51 | flyingspatula | thx |
| 11:35.11 | hobbidude | so i guess there's no smooth way in data to say fire a quick silo of 5 projectiles (each .2 sec apar) with another 2 sec cooldown after each silo and then a final reload cooldown after 5 silos |
| 11:35.12 | flyingspatula | wow |
| 11:35.39 | flyingspatula | pikcing actor pretty much destroyed my editor lol way 2 many being loaded |
| 11:35.50 | Kueken | :D |
| 11:36.30 | Kueken | hobbidude: You could just make the weapon fire 5 projecile volleys by itself using a persistent effect |
| 11:36.31 | hobbidude | am i right there kueken? |
| 11:36.53 | Kueken | then add a 2 second period to the weapon |
| 11:37.10 | Kueken | and do the reload via ammo |
| 11:37.24 | Kueken | however, I am not sure how the ammo part works, never really used it |
| 11:37.36 | Kueken | but there are fields for reload time and ammo usage |
| 11:37.42 | hobbidude | true but that ammo would need to detect every shot not every colley |
| 11:37.46 | hobbidude | volley srry |
| 11:38.01 | Kueken | you could just divide it by 5 ;) |
| 11:38.30 | hobbidude | no no but it would only detect after the volley |
| 11:38.45 | hobbidude | so it would jump 5 every time |
| 11:39.11 | hobbidude | or maybe that just too much of a luxury |
| 11:39.20 | Kueken | well, maybe you can make the impact effect modify the or somethingammo |
| 11:39.29 | Kueken | *ammo or something |
| 11:39.49 | hobbidude | nope sounds like triggers again is the way |
| 11:39.50 | hobbidude | ty |
| 11:39.56 | Kueken | :) |
| 11:40.11 | hobbidude | lol need you on my project lol |
| 11:40.14 | Kueken | I am quite sure, its possible in data, just not trivial |
| 11:40.30 | Kueken | sorry, I am pretty occupied ,) |
| 11:40.31 | hobbidude | y i'm down for simple and clean |
| 11:40.34 | hobbidude | np |
| 11:41.16 | hobbidude | oh lol another q? |
| 11:41.33 | hobbidude | looking at a neutral bunker |
| 11:41.49 | hobbidude | does it change ownership when you enter AND exit |
| 11:42.07 | hobbidude | or just when enter and stays |
| 11:45.27 | Kueken | not sure, don't know the bunker |
| 11:45.40 | Kueken | it probably uses the interact ability |
| 11:45.49 | hobbidude | know what that system is called? |
| 11:45.50 | Kueken | which shares control for nearby units |
| 11:45.54 | hobbidude | like magazine or whatever |
| 11:47.04 | hobbidude | acutally probably cargo like medivacs now that i think of it |
| 11:47.54 | Kueken | are you talking about the default terran bunker? |
| 11:48.57 | flyingspatula | is there really much extra data being used when using an actor in comparison to just its model |
| 11:49.03 | hobbidude | ya |
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| 11:49.17 | hobbidude | wanted to make a manable turret |
| 11:49.27 | flyingspatula | i need to be able to run a models animation but dont need anything else |
| 11:49.33 | hobbidude | was thinking to look into how bunker works |
| 11:50.28 | Kueken | terran bunkers are not neutral, they belong to the player, who built them |
| 11:50.34 | Kueken | they never change ownership |
| 11:50.47 | Kueken | the ability is called load-unload |
| 11:50.49 | hobbidude | no but you put them as owner 0 |
| 11:51.20 | hobbidude | to start and then change owners when loaded |
| 11:51.29 | hobbidude | and change back to 0 when unloaded |
| 11:51.46 | Kueken | yes, you can do that |
| 11:52.11 | hobbidude | but that doesn't happen normally? |
| 11:52.19 | Kueken | no |
| 11:52.23 | hobbidude | kk |
| 11:52.37 | Kueken | normally, the bunker won't load units not belonging to its owner |
| 11:52.47 | Kueken | however you can modify the ability to allow it |
| 11:52.56 | hobbidude | in data right? |
| 11:52.57 | Kueken | yes |
| 11:53.01 | hobbidude | perfect |
| 11:53.41 | hobbidude | just gotta make sure some things are feasible in my project or i have to figure other ways around it |
| 11:54.06 | Kueken | flyingspatula: You could use the Create Model at Point action |
| 11:54.18 | Kueken | or however it is called |
| 11:54.22 | Kueken | it returns an actor |
| 11:54.23 | hobbidude | or play animation |
| 11:54.25 | flyingspatula | oh im just attaching a model to a unit |
| 11:54.26 | hobbidude | send to actor |
| 11:54.36 | flyingspatula | ah ok |
| 11:54.41 | Kueken | yes |
| 11:54.56 | Kueken | you can then send play animation actor messages to this actor |
| 11:55.12 | hobbidude | i fucking love tricks exit for the slowness of them |
| 11:55.18 | hobbidude | tiggers lol |
| 11:55.31 | hobbidude | not tricks although those are good to |
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| 11:57.55 | hobbidude | oh i gotta a problem i one of my maps |
| 11:58.08 | Scorp_ | explain |
| 11:58.53 | hobbidude | i have an issue order action that when i try to correct it my manually reordering via smart click it does back to the action after reaching the smartclick pt |
| 11:59.37 | Kueken | so you issue an order in a trigger reacting to an issue order event? |
| 11:59.42 | Kueken | think about it |
| 11:59.47 | hobbidude | i thought it might have something to do with smartclickingbeing a global and issue order bing local |
| 12:00.44 | hobbidude | i get that it would retrigger it but event if the order is replace exsisting order it doesn't go |
| 12:01.41 | Kueken | how about setting a boolean to prevent the recursion? ;) |
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| 12:01.57 | flyingspatula | man this aint working lol. So, i have my doodadModels var that is a model gamelink type which has arrays defining a diff model for each array. now i pick an array and i need to assign that picked model to something so I can attach it and manage it later. i think i mmissing something simple here. |
| 12:02.12 | hobbidude | the recursion isn't issue tho |
| 12:02.18 | hobbidude | not as far as i can tell |
| 12:02.21 | Scorp_ | yes it is |
| 12:02.29 | hobbidude | its parts of auto path trigger |
| 12:02.33 | Scorp_ | will eventually cause lag |
| 12:02.34 | hobbidude | teleports |
| 12:02.47 | flyingspatula | lol nvm im na idiot |
| 12:02.48 | Kueken | recursions like this can interrupt the current trigger and restart it |
| 12:03.00 | hobbidude | no no |
| 12:03.03 | hobbidude | thats the issue |
| 12:03.05 | hobbidude | it doesn;t |
| 12:03.07 | hobbidude | but i want it too |
| 12:03.20 | Kueken | well, not all of them do |
| 12:03.22 | Scorp_ | flyingspatula: lol okay |
| 12:03.33 | flyingspatula | having trouble still playing an animation for the model tho |
| 12:03.40 | Kueken | some of them finish the current thread |
| 12:03.47 | Kueken | others interrupt immediately |
| 12:04.35 | hobbidude | i basically have a system that finds the shortest path included if it need to use a teleport |
| 12:04.58 | hobbidude | everything works fine until i want to correct the work while the unit is already on the way |
| 12:05.26 | Kueken | and if you issue an order in a trigger, which is started by an issued order event, it will result in an infinite loop, unless managed otherwise |
| 12:05.37 | hobbidude | no it doesn't |
| 12:05.42 | hobbidude | that was fixed |
| 12:05.46 | hobbidude | its not liek war3 |
| 12:05.57 | flyingspatula | is there really a difference between managing a model attachment and managing an actor attachment? like data needed wise. i dont want any framerate loss from having actors instead of just the model |
| 12:06.01 | Kueken | well, it doesnt crash |
| 12:06.19 | Kueken | it breaks the loop, but it still is an infinite loop by design |
| 12:06.22 | hobbidude | beside i already ahve that |
| 12:06.52 | hobbidude | the trigger only runs of stop is enabled and when it does run it auto disables stop |
| 12:07.09 | Kueken | k |
| 12:07.17 | Kueken | so you issue an order |
| 12:07.32 | flyingspatula | like bountys solution to everything is... SET UR FUNCTION ACTION TO CREATE THREAD. lol |
| 12:07.36 | Kueken | the unit stops the current order, follows your issued order |
| 12:07.48 | Kueken | and then continues the order it had before |
| 12:07.48 | hobbidude | wait |
| 12:07.52 | hobbidude | yup |
| 12:08.08 | hobbidude | one thing it might be is there' is more things have the first action |
| 12:08.23 | Kueken | you could clear the order queue beforehand |
| 12:08.26 | hobbidude | after srry |
| 12:09.04 | Kueken | or clear a specific order from the queue |
| 12:09.07 | hobbidude | actually that might help |
| 12:09.11 | Kueken | I think that was possible, right? |
| 12:09.17 | hobbidude | yup |
| 12:10.09 | Kueken | however, someone stated that an order always saves the entire remaining rder queue |
| 12:10.18 | Kueken | so if you tell a unit to stop |
| 12:10.26 | Kueken | and then re-issue the last order |
| 12:10.33 | Kueken | it won't just issue that order |
| 12:10.43 | Kueken | but every other order following in the queue as well |
| 12:11.00 | Kueken | however, I didn't test it, so I don't know, if this is true |
| 12:11.42 | Kueken | oh wait |
| 12:11.49 | Kueken | I DID test it xD |
| 12:12.04 | Kueken | don't remember the result, though |
| 12:12.37 | hobbidude | lol |
| 12:12.47 | hobbidude | i know there's that order index crap |
| 12:12.51 | hobbidude | and i think the max is 6 |
| 12:13.09 | hobbidude | but thats right too it does quence it up |
| 12:13.56 | hobbidude | i can see the green arrow to new order and back to the orginal |
| 12:17.47 | hobbidude | basically need a surefire what that if an order is issued via smartclick all previous orders are cleared |
| 12:19.39 | Scorp_ | do anyone know of any low quality fire-like effects in the editor? |
| 12:20.06 | hobbidude | smoke pillar? |
| 12:21.33 | Scorp_ | I am looking for a low quaility one |
| 12:22.00 | Scorp_ | I need to have 54 of them on the screen at a time |
| 12:22.05 | hobbidude | lol |
| 12:28.28 | Kueken | well, the fire medium comes to mind, it is used as an impact effect for the siege tank, burning all units it hits for a couple of seconds |
| 12:28.55 | Kueken | potentially, there are plenty of them on the screen at once |
| 12:29.45 | Scorp_ | it just seemed to cause a bit of lag, but I'll try it again |
| 12:29.57 | Kueken | well, depends on how you use it |
| 12:30.25 | Kueken | if you scale particle effects to a big size, even a single one can cause significant lags, it seems |
| 12:30.59 | Kueken | especially for non-uniform scales, or added opacity or tint |
| 12:31.34 | Scorp_ | that might be the reason then |
| 12:32.03 | Kueken | I experienced this as well |
| 12:32.06 | Kueken | pretty much sucks |
| 12:32.33 | Kueken | although other people said it worked fine on their systems, seems to depend greatly on your hardware |
| 12:33.05 | Scorp_ | I have a fairly good computer, and I experienced minor lag, so I better not use it |
| 12:33.51 | Kueken | I have an okay system and it cannot handle 3 medium-sized particle effects with tint |
| 12:34.01 | Kueken | a friend of mine has a far worse system |
| 12:34.10 | Kueken | and fro him it worked flawlessly |
| 12:34.14 | Kueken | *for |
| 12:34.44 | Kueken | also I noticed the FPS issue instantly disappears, if I lower my shader settings |
| 12:34.56 | Kueken | then I can spam like my whole screen |
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| 12:37.07 | Scorp_ | I may have to go for a different effect |
| 12:41.24 | hobbidude | ty kueken ttyl |
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| 12:49.24 | harl | hi |
| 13:15.03 | flyingspatula | if you set a unit var to a unit then that unit is removed from game via trigger, is that var set to null or still carries the unit data |
| 13:20.03 | Kueken | test it |
| 13:20.08 | Kueken | should be null, though |
| 13:20.59 | flyingspatula | yeah figured id just try it once i get it finished here |
| 13:25.30 | A1win | if a unit in a unit group is removed from the game, it's still included in that unit group as a "dead" unit for the sum of dead units |
| 13:26.17 | A1win | or not sure if it was exactly like that but somehow it bugged, so I had to remove the unit from the unit group before removing it from the game |
| 13:26.35 | flyingspatula | ahh ok |
| 13:26.50 | flyingspatula | well luckily im just checking if that specific unit is null or not |
| 13:35.51 | flyingspatula | does it really matter if you set ur function type to function or action |
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| 14:05.31 | Kueken | flyingspatula: If you don't set it to action, you cannot run the function on its own |
| 14:13.21 | flyingspatula | so basically anything that doesnt directly return something should be set to action? |
| 14:18.20 | Kueken | if it makes sense to be called on its own, yes |
| 14:19.30 | Kueken | well, if I think about it, I cannot really come up with a situation, where you would something returning nothing not be able to called on its own :D |
| 14:19.51 | Kueken | so yes to your question |
| 14:19.58 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 14:20.22 | flyingspatula | well maybe im starting a bad habit, but really out of like 20 of my functions maybe liek 1 has a return type |
| 14:21.15 | Kueken | :) |
| 14:21.15 | flyingspatula | only return type i ever use is just for bools |
| 14:21.27 | flyingspatula | i wish iw as better at logic and structuring stuff better |
| 14:22.09 | Kueken | who doesn't ^^ |
| 14:22.51 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 14:22.52 | flyingspatula | jade |
| 14:23.11 | flyingspatula | hes absolutely perfect remember |
| 14:23.27 | Kueken | still he wishes he was even better |
| 14:23.31 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 14:25.19 | Kueken | on the other hand too much structuring and logic could end up being a bigger nuisance than use. |
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| 15:39.55 | flyingspatula | if you *run trigger* but that trigger has an event. will it still run and ignore the event? |
| 15:40.04 | A1win | yes |
| 15:40.17 | flyingspatula | sweet thx |
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| 16:45.03 | flyingspatula | hey if you kill a unit via trigger, who does it technically give credit to the killing? |
| 16:46.28 | A1win | no one |
| 16:46.55 | flyingspatula | ok good |
| 16:46.56 | flyingspatula | :D |
| 16:47.06 | A1win | if you need to give it to someone, you could make a kill effect and then create the effect on a unit from a unit/player |
| 16:48.53 | flyingspatula | yeah. well i just had a a function that killed units after a timer expired but didnt want any person getting the kill credit when applying score for kill |
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| 16:57.16 | Ashamed | anyone check out tera yet"? |
| 17:00.18 | Dustin | Is it out? |
| 17:00.31 | Dustin | I saw some video and I love the Idea of Skill Based Combat |
| 17:01.32 | Dustin | UGHHHHH |
| 17:01.48 | Dustin | 3DS MAX WHY YOU NO EXPORT M3'S RIGHT |
| 17:07.36 | Ashamed | no not out |
| 17:07.37 | Ashamed | beta |
| 17:07.43 | Ashamed | has been going on for the last few weekends |
| 17:08.05 | Ashamed | yeah seems like alot of pvp peeps are liking it |
| 17:10.35 | Dustin | Oh i bet |
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| 17:10.45 | Dustin | Ive been saying we needed a SKill Based MMO fora lon time |
| 17:10.50 | Dustin | long* |
| 17:16.09 | Ashamed | but i guess the pve is good too |
| 17:16.12 | Ashamed | nice big bosses |
| 17:17.38 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 17:19.40 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
| 17:19.52 | SoulTaker916_ | hey im trying to make like a carrier |
| 17:19.57 | SoulTaker916_ | but instead of fighters |
| 17:20.02 | SoulTaker916_ | i want scv |
| 17:20.06 | SoulTaker916_ | that repair |
| 17:20.44 | SoulTaker916_ | how would i deploy the weapon for a injured building or what not? |
| 17:21.29 | JademusSreg | Using a validator to check target life is < 100%. |
| 17:21.45 | SoulTaker916_ | the validator is on the weapon itself? |
| 17:22.25 | JademusSreg | You'd want it there, too, but also on the effects. |
| 17:23.09 | SoulTaker916_ | on the unit's heal effects? |
| 17:23.17 | SoulTaker916_ | not on arm and create persistant? |
| 17:23.46 | JademusSreg | On the persistent, I expect. |
| 17:24.08 | JademusSreg | You want them to stop once that validator returns false. |
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| 17:28.08 | flyingspatula | hey jade do u think bounty is gonna one day soon decide hes bored and updates his prophunt? lol, i just got the feeling when i finish mine hell update his right b4/after -_- |
| 17:28.59 | JademusSreg | Competition is healthy. |
| 17:29.04 | flyingspatula | indeed |
| 17:29.23 | flyingspatula | but is hard to have 2 similar maps and not be too alike |
| 17:29.59 | JademusSreg | The best one will get more of the playerbase. |
| 17:30.10 | flyingspatula | mayube ill just finish what i have sofar, and advertise it as a WIP and ask for ideas in a forum |
| 17:30.33 | JademusSreg | So make the best damned prop hunt map you can. =D |
| 17:30.38 | flyingspatula | lol ya but u know how bounty spews out maps, hed school me :( |
| 17:30.42 | flyingspatula | lol ill try :P |
| 17:32.20 | JademusSreg | Bounty is an idea guy; he always overlooks details in implementation. |
| 17:32.39 | flyingspatula | i dunno im jus concerned bounty might think im copyign some of his stuff... when in reality most of that stuff he copied from tf2 anyway |
| 17:32.54 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 17:32.56 | flyingspatula | yeah and im th eopposite lol |
| 17:33.03 | SoulTaker916_ | i see target life ge200? |
| 17:33.12 | SoulTaker916_ | for validators |
| 17:34.11 | JademusSreg | Taker, there is certainly an existing validator like the one I described, if not named as such. |
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| 17:37.29 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 17:37.52 | Mexa_ | Evenin' |
| 17:40.23 | Bounty | Just you there mexa_? |
| 17:40.29 | Bounty | I have a new theory |
| 17:40.37 | Bounty | for the music game |
| 17:41.57 | JademusSreg | Pew. |
| 17:42.02 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 17:42.05 | Bounty | I haz a question |
| 17:42.09 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:42.32 | Bounty | You know how when someone times out it doenst stop playing the currently playing music |
| 17:42.39 | Bounty | so it would desync everything |
| 17:43.11 | Bounty | What if i made a sound actor and created it on the map, do sound actors pause their sound if someone times out? |
| 17:44.09 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 17:44.14 | Bounty | Makes sense right? |
| 17:44.19 | JademusSreg | I've not tested it. I think so. |
| 17:44.26 | Bounty | Because someone brought it to my attention that music is client side |
| 17:44.29 | JademusSreg | Buuut. |
| 17:44.32 | Bounty | but effects, like actors etc are server side |
| 17:45.19 | JademusSreg | I imagine that the best sync-proofing would involve regulating it from the game data in some way. |
| 17:45.32 | JademusSreg | Naw, actors are asynchronous data type. |
| 17:45.42 | Bounty | well the only way it can get desynced is from the time out pop up |
| 17:45.49 | Bounty | bc it stops triggers but keeps playing music |
| 17:46.03 | Bounty | so that would be the only thing that needs to be proofed |
| 17:47.44 | Bounty | like u know how when u test a map from the editor |
| 17:47.51 | Bounty | if you hit esc it brings up the menu but it also pauses the game |
| 17:47.56 | Bounty | if i do that, it doesnt break the sync |
| 17:48.07 | Bounty | so i need it to be like that if someoen times out |
| 17:51.35 | flyingspatula | i still havent played this pictionary map i want to draw penises on ppls stuff |
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| 17:56.15 | Bounty | I do have a goal for myself though |
| 17:56.22 | Bounty | Whether i make this concept into a full map or not |
| 17:56.51 | Bounty | I will chart this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDCOcqpWTkY |
| 17:56.53 | Bounty | It has to be done |
| 17:58.03 | Bounty | The part that starts at 1:10 will likely take a week to do |
| 17:58.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 17:58.29 | Dustin | http://i.imgur.com/nSfwI.jpg |
| 17:58.30 | Mexa_ | I would not recommend taking a tetris song. |
| 17:58.48 | Bounty | What? |
| 17:59.15 | Mexa_ | The Tetris Company is known to put down anything related to Tetris. |
| 17:59.24 | Bounty | Oh you mean |
| 17:59.53 | Bounty | The person who uploaded that song must work for the Tetris company? |
| 18:00.04 | Mexa_ | I did not say that. |
| 18:00.07 | Bounty | Uploaded over a year ago lol |
| 18:00.10 | Bounty | Well he took it |
| 18:00.13 | Bounty | nothing happend |
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| 18:01.04 | Mexa_ | Bounty, I am just introducing you to the company. There are very few or no tetris clones out there. |
| 18:01.20 | Bounty | ok? |
| 18:01.26 | Bounty | I'm not making Tetris |
| 18:01.53 | Bounty | and i said whether i choose to make the concept into a map or not im charting the song for a video |
| 18:01.55 | Mexa_ | I know you aren't- |
| 18:02.03 | Bounty | Which means it will likely not be a playable map, but just a video |
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| 18:05.39 | Mexa_ | herpderp then. |
| 18:06.13 | Bounty | Its like i said, if the demand is there for this concept ill make it |
| 18:06.16 | Bounty | I'm not seeing enough demand |
| 18:06.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:06.29 | Bounty | To justify the amount of time it will take to chart enough songs |
| 18:07.08 | Mexa_ | Ah yes, those man hours. |
| 18:07.31 | Bounty | Could take a day per song |
| 18:07.33 | Bounty | Could take a week |
| 18:07.49 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 18:08.01 | Bounty | I do have a backup plan though |
| 18:08.13 | Bounty | But we'll just wait and see what people think of the music bound concept |
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| 18:17.39 | Scorp_ | I like it, bounty |
| 18:17.53 | Bounty | The music game concept? |
| 18:17.56 | Scorp_ | yea |
| 18:18.01 | Bounty | ty |
| 18:18.21 | Bounty | Just waiting for Sixen to news it and see what people say |
| 18:18.35 | Bounty | But like i said, i have a backup plan lol |
| 18:19.26 | Scorp_ | Is it possible to set dialog priority? |
| 18:20.37 | Bounty | Prolly |
| 18:21.39 | Scorp_ | There's only a render priority for dialog items :/ |
| 18:22.50 | AlphA_VsT | nope |
| 18:23.01 | AlphA_VsT | dialogs are rendered in order they are created |
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| 18:24.36 | Scorp_ | I feel that a lot of functions are missing for dialogs |
| 18:24.55 | Scorp_ | There's no Fade Dialog either |
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| 18:27.30 | flyingspatula | ... i keep losing connection |
| 18:28.45 | flyingspatula | would there really be much of a difference between making my own collision with objects and terrain than using the built in one already using unit radius etc for units? |
| 18:29.14 | flyingspatula | like more efficient to just use it and add my extra stuff with code |
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| 18:41.03 | Thetubbygoat | I have a question |
| 18:41.10 | Thetubbygoat | I gave my doodads variables |
| 18:41.29 | Thetubbygoat | But they dont appear when I try and show (environment) varible |
| 18:41.32 | Thetubbygoat | variable* |
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| 18:54.29 | Thetubbygoat | Nevermind I did a workaround |
| 18:55.59 | SoulTaker916_ | jade.... |
| 19:03.36 | SoulTaker916_ | god damnit |
| 19:03.59 | SoulTaker916_ | i mess with a modified command center and all of a sudden supply depos wont build correctly... |
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| 19:12.10 | flyingspatula | how exactly do command indexes work when making an ability command? |
| 19:12.14 | Thetubbygoat | ok uhh where's the condition for player typing a message? |
| 19:12.29 | flyingspatula | condition for what was typed? |
| 19:12.33 | Thetubbygoat | yeah |
| 19:12.36 | Thetubbygoat | like |
| 19:12.53 | Thetubbygoat | if player 1 enters string "-normal" do this |
| 19:13.25 | flyingspatula | uh do u have the event |
| 19:13.27 | flyingspatula | atleast sofar |
| 19:15.18 | flyingspatula | the condition should be |
| 19:15.24 | flyingspatula | Chat String under game i think |
| 19:15.28 | flyingspatula | game category |
| 19:15.34 | Thetubbygoat | k thanks! |
| 19:36.16 | flyingspatula | man i really dont get ability command indexes |
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| 19:54.32 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you'd still be better off using a unit than a doodad if you want units to interact with it. |
| 19:54.43 | Thetubbygoat | wait hmm |
| 19:54.46 | Thetubbygoat | so like |
| 19:54.49 | Thetubbygoat | create a new unit |
| 19:54.56 | Thetubbygoat | and give it all the actors and models of fireworks |
| 19:54.58 | Thetubbygoat | the doodad |
| 19:55.03 | Thetubbygoat | ? |
| 19:55.38 | Thetubbygoat | http://i.imgur.com/3D2VU.png |
| 19:55.43 | Thetubbygoat | Here, imgur went back up for a bit |
| 19:56.08 | JademusSreg | Not working. "Bad gateway". |
| 19:56.12 | Thetubbygoat | weakk |
| 19:56.19 | Bounty | Pwned |
| 19:56.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I need to know what you're trying to do, so I don't have to guess. |
| 19:56.50 | JademusSreg | Not the how, the what. |
| 19:57.04 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 19:57.49 | Thetubbygoat | ok |
| 19:58.11 | Thetubbygoat | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/baneling-scramble/ |
| 19:58.33 | Thetubbygoat | There are "power pads" |
| 19:58.38 | Bounty | Random thought that just popped into my head... What does your name mean/come from JademusSreg |
| 19:58.41 | Thetubbygoat | which is a colored region on the map |
| 19:58.49 | Thetubbygoat | With two doodads inside of it |
| 19:58.51 | Thetubbygoat | Lightning |
| 19:58.52 | Thetubbygoat | and |
| 19:58.53 | Thetubbygoat | Fireworks |
| 19:59.09 | Thetubbygoat | When a Baneling enters the region when the triggers are active |
| 19:59.15 | JademusSreg | ("Jademus Sreg" is a name of a character in my fiction.) |
| 19:59.32 | Thetubbygoat | They either become invulnerable or faster |
| 19:59.37 | Thetubbygoat | depending on the power pad |
| 20:00.32 | JademusSreg | Tubby, all of this could be done via data. A powerpad unit applies a behavior, and a single shot model actor created when the effect to apply the behavior is applied. |
| 20:01.11 | Thetubbygoat | right? |
| 20:01.27 | Thetubbygoat | behavior applied to unit |
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| 20:01.41 | JademusSreg | No doodads, no triggers to run animations. Simple stuff. |
| 20:01.52 | Thetubbygoat | so in behaviors is where i should look? |
| 20:02.00 | Bounty | Data is for fags bro |
| 20:02.04 | flyingspatula | any idea what the turn rate is when a unit is ordered to attack/move to a point? |
| 20:02.09 | JademusSreg | No. " A powerpad unit applies a behavior, and a single shot model actor created when the effect to apply the behavior is applied." |
| 20:02.37 | Thetubbygoat | not sure what you mean |
| 20:02.41 | Thetubbygoat | but hold that thought |
| 20:02.43 | Thetubbygoat | class |
| 20:02.44 | Thetubbygoat | bye! |
| 20:02.46 | Thetubbygoat | thanks for help |
| 20:02.47 | JademusSreg | A single shot spell fx model actor with an aqctor event for Blahblaheffect.Start or something -> Create |
| 20:02.48 | Thetubbygoat | ill be on later |
| 20:02.55 | Thetubbygoat | k cool |
| 20:04.24 | flyingspatula | im testing around with move instant, trying to match my unit turning to how itd be if i was ordering unit to a point |
| 20:04.58 | JademusSreg | Ah, catalogs to look up the unit value *updatePeriod. |
| 20:05.14 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 20:05.18 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 20:06.14 | JademusSreg | The default turn rate for mobile units is 720, so in most cases that would come out to 720*updatePeriod, assuming an update period of 0.0625 (an engine tick), that's 45 degrees per tick. |
| 20:07.36 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:09.10 | flyingspatula | right right, its just i have to make a unit face set angle over period of time |
| 20:09.35 | flyingspatula | trying to determine maximum speed i can turn itwithout making it look choppy |
| 20:09.38 | flyingspatula | while instant moving |
| 20:11.45 | Bounty | 0.1 seconds |
| 20:12.23 | flyingspatula | yeah i just tried that. seems to be smooth enuff |
| 20:12.45 | flyingspatula | dunno why i keep trying instnat move, order move seems to work just as good tho |
| 20:13.18 | Bounty | Because you cant set facing while a unit is moving, last time i checked that is |
| 20:13.28 | Bounty | But you can do it with move instant |
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| 20:13.42 | soulcarver | anybody aroond? |
| 20:13.56 | flyingspatula | well with order point u dont need to alter the facing. |
| 20:14.10 | flyingspatula | unless u mean like |
| 20:14.14 | flyingspatula | if u were moving and want to spin or something |
| 20:14.38 | Bounty | Well i was assuming you were trying to make the unit face the direction of the camera |
| 20:14.45 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 20:15.23 | flyingspatula | well i havent really had any issue with getting my guy to go whivhever direction i want him. just assumed instant move may be more responsive |
| 20:16.11 | Bounty | It is, but not by much |
| 20:16.17 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 20:16.26 | JademusSreg | (0.1 game time is floored to 0.099853515625.) |
| 20:16.34 | flyingspatula | well that tiny bit can help |
| 20:16.47 | flyingspatula | lol fact of the day jade |
| 20:16.56 | Bounty | JademusSnapple |
| 20:17.54 | flyingspatula | i mean i know i asked b4 about move vs order but move instant sucks for managing animations |
| 20:18.20 | Bounty | not really |
| 20:18.23 | JademusSreg | (0.099853515625 is 1.59765625 engine ticks, and since an engine tick is indivisble, you end up with uneven distributions, where you'll get poorly interpolated updates.) |
| 20:18.36 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb4Y059BngM |
| 20:18.38 | Bounty | 100% move instant |
| 20:18.41 | Bounty | no orders |
| 20:18.42 | flyingspatula | what do u mean jade what u talkig nabout lol |
| 20:20.04 | flyingspatula | lol i remember tha tmap bounty |
| 20:20.24 | Bounty | well i think it will show you that managing animations is not a problem |
| 20:20.27 | Bounty | when using move instant |
| 20:20.36 | flyingspatula | well |
| 20:20.45 | flyingspatula | i meant like |
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| 20:21.19 | flyingspatula | id have to actually figure out how to run the animations correctly. guess i could stop being lazy. |
| 20:21.31 | Bounty | and you have to check the pathing |
| 20:21.36 | Bounty | because move instant ignores pathing :) |
| 20:21.45 | Bounty | so you need pathing conditions |
| 20:21.46 | flyingspatula | but what about when you stop walking, itll keep walking for half a second to finish the walking animation. and if u stop it short it looks awkward |
| 20:21.53 | Bounty | clear animatiojn |
| 20:21.56 | flyingspatula | yeah i already made my own collision pathing |
| 20:22.04 | Bounty | actor events clear animation |
| 20:22.07 | flyingspatula | but what was jade talking about lol |
| 20:22.08 | Bounty | name is Walk |
| 20:22.13 | Bounty | i dont know |
| 20:22.17 | Bounty | i didnt even read waht he said |
| 20:22.20 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:22.21 | Bounty | im just saying what i do |
| 20:22.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:22.37 | Bounty | its simple |
| 20:22.42 | Bounty | keypresses apply behavior walk |
| 20:22.50 | Bounty | walk behavior plays walk animation forever named walk |
| 20:22.59 | Bounty | behavior is removed, clear animation walk |
| 20:23.16 | Bounty | remove behavior when WASD are not pressed, meaning u need to check if ALL of the keys are not pressed |
| 20:24.01 | flyingspatula | applying a behavior to do that huh |
| 20:24.25 | Bounty | Behaviors are faster than sending the actor message directly through triggers |
| 20:24.26 | flyingspatula | whynot just run walk animation |
| 20:24.28 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 20:24.29 | flyingspatula | really |
| 20:24.38 | JademusSreg | I'm saying that using 0.1 update rate is silly, because it's evenly divided into game engine ticks, so either you get one update per engine tick, in which case there's no reason not to use 0.0625, or you get less than one update per engine tick, and the updates are imprecisely distributed across engine ticks. |
| 20:24.45 | Bounty | I've said it a million times |
| 20:24.51 | JademusSreg | *because it's not evenly divided |
| 20:24.51 | Bounty | The two things that you should raelly use data for |
| 20:24.58 | Bounty | Are animations and Sound Effects |
| 20:25.04 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 20:25.06 | Bounty | Because they slow triggers down alot |
| 20:25.31 | Bounty | I think Battlefield Egypt II used .08 rotate speed |
| 20:25.32 | Bounty | or .1 |
| 20:25.34 | Bounty | one of the two |
| 20:25.38 | Bounty | worked fine |
| 20:26.05 | JademusSreg | Editorial Note: Bounty is not technically knowledgable in the use of the editor or how it works, but rather stumbles into his solutions. |
| 20:26.19 | flyingspatula | lol .0625 works perfectly |
| 20:26.20 | Bounty | yeah, i stumble... riight |
| 20:26.20 | flyingspatula | just tried it |
| 20:26.29 | Bounty | oh yeah |
| 20:26.31 | Bounty | i forgot about that lol |
| 20:26.38 | Bounty | u can just set it to be .06 |
| 20:26.41 | Bounty | and for some reason that works |
| 20:26.53 | Bounty | and JademusSreg, i dont STUMBLE into my solutions |
| 20:26.56 | Bounty | there is thinking involved |
| 20:28.11 | JademusSreg | You know that you can do X to accomplish Y, so you reduce all problems to X without understanding how X accomplishes Y or to what precision or efficiency. |
| 20:28.27 | Bounty | Yeah... no idea what you just said |
| 20:28.30 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:29.05 | Bounty | I mean, if my methods are so terrible then explain to me how it works everytime |
| 20:29.05 | flyingspatula | just realized ive never fucked with behaviors much |
| 20:29.16 | Bounty | i have a 24-25 map track record lol |
| 20:29.21 | Bounty | and they all worked fine |
| 20:29.33 | Bounty | just make a behavior |
| 20:29.34 | Bounty | buff |
| 20:29.37 | Bounty | that lasts forever |
| 20:29.50 | Bounty | so u can only be ended when you remove it |
| 20:29.59 | Bounty | which would be when a player is not pressing any WASD keys |
| 20:31.06 | flyingspatula | yeah but does the behaviro itself cause the animation |
| 20:31.12 | Bounty | no |
| 20:31.22 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 20:31.23 | JademusSreg | You do get results, and X -does- accomplish Y, but you lack a technical understanding of how X accomplishes Y, so you lack the requisite knowledge for asserting the optimal quality of your solutions. |
| 20:31.24 | Bounty | then you go to the units actor |
| 20:31.28 | Bounty | and event |
| 20:31.33 | Bounty | Behavior.Walk.On |
| 20:31.36 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 20:31.39 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 20:31.40 | Bounty | then play the animation forever |
| 20:31.45 | Bounty | and name it Walk |
| 20:31.57 | Bounty | and Behavior Walk Off will fire Clear Animation Walk |
| 20:32.14 | flyingspatula | hmmmm |
| 20:32.19 | flyingspatula | ill try it |
| 20:32.31 | Bounty | Thats all you get for free today |
| 20:32.55 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:33.43 | flyingspatula | interesting |
| 20:33.48 | flyingspatula | this may have many kinds of uses |
| 20:33.59 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:34.07 | Bounty | its not even may |
| 20:34.09 | Bounty | it does |
| 20:34.10 | Bounty | period |
| 20:34.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:34.18 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:34.41 | JademusSreg | It's kind of like the difference between superstition and science. =D |
| 20:34.55 | JademusSreg | You get results, so you repeat the ritual. |
| 20:34.57 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:35.13 | Bounty | Yeah but superstition would not constantly get results |
| 20:35.16 | Bounty | derp |
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| 20:37.07 | JademusSreg | A superstition is an uninformed belief concerning causal relationships. |
| 20:37.29 | Bounty | ~dict superstition |
| 20:42.11 | Xaragoth | Warlock Tanks in WoW are a go |
| 20:42.15 | Xaragoth | I repeat, Warlock Tanks are a go |
| 20:42.31 | Xaragoth | Damn you Blizzard, why do you want me to waste my money on that expansion :/ |
| 20:42.50 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 20:43.02 | Bounty | Is that really all it takes to get you to buy an expansion? |
| 20:43.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:44.13 | flyingspatula | ... stupid thing gets stuck with his legs in the air when he stops walking |
| 20:44.39 | AlphA_VsT | warlock tanks? has the gaem really gotten that bad? |
| 20:44.54 | Bounty | Apparently |
| 20:44.55 | AlphA_VsT | that makes me not want it |
| 20:45.03 | Bounty | and apparently that makes people want to play it again |
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| 20:45.06 | Bounty | its still the same damn game |
| 20:45.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:45.15 | AlphA_VsT | no its not |
| 20:45.32 | Bounty | ok |
| 20:46.08 | AlphA_VsT | its a stupdifed version of what used to be a pretty good game |
| 20:46.32 | Xaragoth | Still, just for the hell of stealing Druids their gear, I must do it |
| 20:46.36 | Bounty | meh |
| 20:46.42 | Bounty | i dont think its become stupified |
| 20:46.42 | Xaragoth | Though it'd probably be enough to play it in Beta |
| 20:46.46 | Bounty | down to its core its the same game |
| 20:46.54 | Bounty | which is why it keeps getting "worse" |
| 20:46.58 | Bounty | bc its still WoW |
| 20:48.11 | AlphA_VsT | no because the keep simplifying every game mechanic |
| 20:48.31 | Bounty | honestly |
| 20:48.39 | Bounty | i dont even think the game is worth having any debate/discussion over |
| 20:48.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:49.05 | Bounty | MMO's are the new guitar hero |
| 20:49.21 | Bounty | market is just so damn flooded with them its getting old |
| 20:49.37 | AlphA_VsT | every class is pretty much the same based on function, and racial are gone. its just a mess |
| 20:49.43 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 20:49.45 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah |
| 20:49.47 | AlphA_VsT | stupid game |
| 20:50.11 | AlphA_VsT | and bosses are stupidly easy if you have eyes |
| 20:52.47 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah |
| 21:03.22 | flyingspatula | wow fail |
| 21:03.29 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 21:04.36 | flyingspatula | every time i try to search for the name of an action |
| 21:04.38 | flyingspatula | it crashed my editor |
| 21:09.14 | Bounty | Derp |
| 21:13.10 | flyingspatula | hmm, so it seems u can overlap these behavior animations but only some |
| 21:13.24 | flyingspatula | like if im running and do a jump itll run the jump until i remove it |
| 21:13.26 | flyingspatula | but others not so much |
| 21:13.47 | Bounty | Dont play forever |
| 21:13.49 | Bounty | and it wont loop |
| 21:13.59 | Bounty | derp |
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| 21:14.01 | flyingspatula | oh right lol |
| 21:14.59 | Ashamed | ^^4( |
| 21:15.12 | Bounty | da fuck |
| 21:16.44 | flyingspatula | wonder if theres a way to make a behavior only be allowed on a single unit once |
| 21:19.19 | Ashamed | that is the new way to write mac |
| 21:27.52 | flyingspatula | n |
| 21:29.13 | flyingspatula | hey jade do u have any idea how blizz did the collision so when you are moving up against something that collides you sort of go around it a bit |
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| 21:36.58 | JademusSreg | How do you mean? |
| 21:37.38 | flyingspatula | i noticed when u have radius collision on a unit and move it around via order to point |
| 21:37.47 | flyingspatula | if it encounters a collision with an object, it will move around it |
| 21:37.54 | flyingspatula | most of the time |
| 21:38.18 | flyingspatula | i assume it just makes u move sideways |
| 21:38.51 | flyingspatula | but not sure how it calculates which direction to move left or right |
| 21:38.53 | JademusSreg | You're attempting to create a collision system, I take it? |
| 21:38.57 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 21:39.02 | flyingspatula | i mean i have most of it already |
| 21:39.12 | flyingspatula | its just getting snagged on everything sucks |
| 21:40.13 | flyingspatula | making it slide left or right when snagged helps but depending on the angle ur colliding with object completley changes which direction to start moving that is movable |
| 21:41.31 | flyingspatula | basically im assuming how they did it was to make it move left or right until the forward collision checked pathable |
| 21:43.56 | JademusSreg | Units will try to move in one direction, then try another. You can see this if you play with collision a bit, or if you've ever seen units get clogged on force fields in melee. |
| 21:44.52 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 21:44.56 | flyingspatula | well damn |
| 21:44.56 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:46.10 | flyingspatula | ohhh |
| 21:46.17 | flyingspatula | so i can essentially do the same |
| 21:46.30 | flyingspatula | if im moving forward and cant move, try left, then try right. or whatever |
| 21:47.05 | flyingspatula | just want to prevent getting stuck on the edge of an object |
| 21:53.28 | JademusSreg | Well, only if the collision is direct, where the path of the unit cuts through the direct center of collision object. |
| 21:54.28 | flyingspatula | well even if it wasnt direct, if i made it check left and right sides |
| 21:54.33 | JademusSreg | If it's not through the exact center, you can use the side through which the path goes as an indication of which side to try first. |
| 21:54.37 | flyingspatula | if one side was pathable i could make it move there |
| 21:54.43 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 21:54.59 | Bounty | you would have to draw path lines |
| 21:55.01 | Bounty | to do what you're talking about with move instantly |
| 21:55.48 | Bounty | plus, the more things you have to check, the less responsive your wasd is going to be |
| 21:56.01 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
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| 21:56.13 | Bounty | yes |
| 21:56.17 | JademusSreg | It will either be responsive, or it will break. |
| 21:56.23 | Bounty | ok |
| 21:56.24 | JademusSreg | "responsive". |
| 21:56.26 | Bounty | fine dont listen to me lol |
| 21:56.28 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:56.37 | Bounty | do what you want spatula |
| 21:57.07 | flyingspatula | well i really think if I just made it check 90 degrees on both sides of whichever direction its facing that isnt pathable |
| 21:57.16 | flyingspatula | itd make a decent antisnagging |
| 21:57.44 | flyingspatula | if ur running directly into it then it isnt a big deal if it does nothing |
| 21:57.46 | Bounty | it has to be fluid and feel right though |
| 21:57.46 | flyingspatula | kinda the point |
| 21:58.01 | Bounty | actually it is a big deal |
| 21:58.08 | Bounty | people like to wall hog |
| 21:58.17 | flyingspatula | like to what |
| 21:58.18 | Bounty | and grind against the wall etc |
| 21:59.00 | flyingspatula | ok well i could just make it work for |
| 21:59.03 | flyingspatula | forward only |
| 21:59.36 | flyingspatula | right now u might be running away and bam u snag onto the very edge of a tree |
| 21:59.39 | flyingspatula | and ur screwed |
| 22:00.03 | flyingspatula | obv u cant maneveur your mouse or another key to move away but its just annoying lol |
| 22:00.07 | flyingspatula | can* |
| 22:01.34 | JademusSreg | x[] is the set of instructions handled in a game tick, 0.0625 game time seconds. You can fill x[] with a whole enormous set of instructions and, as long as it all fits in one game tick, it will be just as responsive as a smaller set of intructions. However, more instructions means more time spent processing, which means a poorer computer in the client network can slow down the game for |
| 22:01.34 | JademusSreg | everyone, so efficiency is still important. But it's not a problem of responsiveness. |
| 22:02.38 | JademusSreg | Does that make sense or am I speaking in tongues here? =D |
| 22:03.26 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:03.45 | flyingspatula | well i try to keep my periodic crap running as least as possible |
| 22:04.20 | AlphA_VsT | its not how often :P its how much |
| 22:04.40 | flyingspatula | i meant how much is being ran in the periodic |
| 22:04.45 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 22:04.54 | AlphA_VsT | I use a que system in paper zombies :D |
| 22:04.58 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:05.33 | AlphA_VsT | you laugh but it works wonders and you can't really tell and it keeps things running smoothly |
| 22:07.32 | flyingspatula | nice |
| 22:08.17 | Bounty | not sure why you would use a que system for a tp |
| 22:08.20 | Bounty | tps* |
| 22:09.00 | flyingspatula | his isnt |
| 22:09.19 | Bounty | i know but i was just saying |
| 22:09.23 | Bounty | dont do it |
| 22:09.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:09.48 | Bounty | your going to need to do alot of things in a tps and the only way to do it is like you said, just limit how often things run as much as u can |
| 22:10.39 | Bounty | you're* |
| 22:12.23 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 22:12.49 | flyingspatula | ugh goin around thign didnt work very goo dlol. ill just have to make slightly smaller collisionboxes |
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| 22:14.11 | flyingspatula | if i make pathing rounded instead of square |
| 22:14.21 | flyingspatula | but not entirely sure how the layer/shapes thing works |
| 22:14.32 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 22:14.44 | flyingspatula | for footprint |
| 22:21.00 | AlphA_VsT | its kinda simple :P |
| 22:22.28 | AlphA_VsT | Even more so after they fixed that bug it had |
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| 22:27.41 | flyingspatula | well i just need to edit them |
| 22:27.43 | flyingspatula | rather than make new |
| 22:27.52 | flyingspatula | but whe ni edit one it just reverts back to normal |
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| 22:37.13 | flyingspatula | all the footprints are like not even loaded |
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| 22:47.35 | flyingspatula | is there no footprint guide... because the footprint editor doesnt even work |
| 22:48.06 | Dustin | yeah no |
| 22:48.12 | Dustin | footprints are hit and miss |
| 22:48.38 | flyingspatula | i just need |
| 22:48.44 | flyingspatula | to make a tree footprint smaller |
| 22:48.46 | flyingspatula | sigh |
| 22:49.11 | JademusSreg | The footprint editor works, they just aren't rendered correctly in the terrain editor unless inherited from a dependency. |
| 22:49.16 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 22:49.18 | JademusSreg | iirc |
| 22:49.20 | flyingspatula | is there any way |
| 22:49.25 | flyingspatula | to get them to wrender right |
| 22:49.36 | JademusSreg | The footprint editor works, -they just aren't rendered correctly in the terrain editor unless inherited from a dependency-. |
| 22:49.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:50.04 | flyingspatula | whats that 2nd part mean lol |
| 22:50.11 | JademusSreg | Which is to say if you put them in a mod, and add that mod as a dependency, they will render correctly. |
| 22:50.20 | JademusSreg | Last I heard, that is. |
| 22:50.25 | flyingspatula | i dunno how u even do that XD |
| 22:50.29 | JademusSreg | Maybe 1.5 will finally fix that. =D |
| 22:50.37 | flyingspatula | oh i dont even mean the terrain editor |
| 22:50.42 | flyingspatula | just editing them in data editor |
| 22:50.45 | flyingspatula | they dont |
| 22:50.48 | flyingspatula | show up right |
| 22:51.00 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 22:51.26 | flyingspatula | when i open footprint in data editor |
| 22:51.27 | Dustin | I remember having issue with it deleting my footprint area if I tried to reedit it |
| 22:51.34 | Dustin | but that was like last year |
| 22:51.36 | flyingspatula | well |
| 22:51.38 | JademusSreg | 1.4.3 (the recent patch) fixed that. |
| 22:51.45 | flyingspatula | i just want to edit the size of an already existing footprint |
| 22:51.50 | flyingspatula | yet when i edit it, nothing is there |
| 22:52.08 | JademusSreg | So either you aren't patched because you've not connected to bnet in a while, or you aren't patched because your copy is cracked. =D |
| 22:52.15 | flyingspatula | me? |
| 22:52.28 | flyingspatula | im on bnet right now |
| 22:52.29 | flyingspatula | ;/ |
| 22:52.40 | JademusSreg | Haha, that's odd. |
| 22:52.56 | flyingspatula | i even |
| 22:52.57 | flyingspatula | for testing |
| 22:53.02 | JademusSreg | Because the most recent patch fixed the footprint editor rendering. |
| 22:53.05 | flyingspatula | make a massively large footprint when editing |
| 22:53.10 | flyingspatula | and nothing |
| 22:53.40 | JademusSreg | Open an existing footprint in the data editor and screenshot it, please. |
| 22:53.40 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 22:53.44 | flyingspatula | k |
| 22:56.34 | flyingspatula | weird |
| 22:56.39 | flyingspatula | i restarted editor and now its fine |
| 22:56.44 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:56.47 | flyingspatula | -_- |
| 22:56.48 | flyingspatula | fail |
| 22:56.54 | flyingspatula | i also |
| 22:56.58 | flyingspatula | was tryign to resize wrong |
| 22:57.01 | flyingspatula | i was trying to scale it |
| 22:57.04 | flyingspatula | and it always resets back to 1 |
| 22:57.41 | flyingspatula | wish i could make collision smaller than 1x1 |
| 22:57.47 | JademusSreg | You can. |
| 22:57.47 | flyingspatula | still 2 big for trees |
| 22:57.51 | flyingspatula | how |
| 22:57.52 | flyingspatula | XD |
| 22:58.05 | JademusSreg | See those little buttons with all the triangles on them? |
| 22:58.26 | flyingspatula | yeah i hit the max one and didnt make any diff in game really |
| 22:58.37 | flyingspatula | can the scale value not be used? |
| 22:58.51 | JademusSreg | My goodness. I'll show you an example. |
| 22:59.05 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 22:59.06 | flyingspatula | i know |
| 22:59.08 | flyingspatula | i got that XD |
| 22:59.12 | flyingspatula | i have smaller triangles |
| 22:59.14 | flyingspatula | near center now |
| 22:59.20 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/StarCraft%202/SuperMapPOC.SC2Map |
| 22:59.21 | flyingspatula | just isnt much smaller |
| 22:59.23 | flyingspatula | XD |
| 22:59.36 | flyingspatula | nice name |
| 22:59.42 | JademusSreg | Look at the footprints I use for trees. |
| 22:59.53 | JademusSreg | And shrubs or whatever. |
| 23:00.00 | flyingspatula | k |
| 23:00.42 | flyingspatula | lol what is this map btw |
| 23:00.56 | JademusSreg | A proof of concept for a super-map. |
| 23:01.02 | flyingspatula | lmao |
| 23:01.17 | JademusSreg | A super-map that "contains" smaller maps, via procedural generation. |
| 23:01.57 | flyingspatula | hahaha |
| 23:02.00 | flyingspatula | i just tried it |
| 23:02.00 | flyingspatula | XD |
| 23:02.12 | flyingspatula | i bet u have like a hundred concepts dont u |
| 23:02.16 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 23:02.20 | JademusSreg | It uses the X and Y positions within the "super-map" abstraction as seed values for procedurally generating content. |
| 23:02.29 | Bounty | Ready for the concept of the day? |
| 23:02.46 | JademusSreg | So you can move to the edge of the board, and it will change the X/Y value and generate a new map from it. |
| 23:02.58 | JademusSreg | Sure, Bounty, shoot. |
| 23:03.03 | Bounty | ok |
| 23:03.08 | Bounty | Battlefield Egypt 3 right |
| 23:03.12 | Bounty | take the same gameplay |
| 23:03.13 | Bounty | but |
| 23:03.30 | Dustin | wtf |
| 23:03.31 | Bounty | two teams, two pyramids and 3 relics |
| 23:03.40 | Dustin | Howd you use triggers with custom script like that |
| 23:03.42 | Bounty | first team to bring all 3 relics to their pyramid wins |
| 23:03.51 | JademusSreg | What Dustin? |
| 23:03.52 | Dustin | I was bitching because I wanted to do that isntead of using 1 scirpt fikle |
| 23:03.58 | Dustin | script file |
| 23:04.06 | Bounty | but, each relic gives the team the currently holds it a buff specific to that relic |
| 23:04.09 | Bounty | and there u go |
| 23:04.11 | Dustin | Is it just a custom script function |
| 23:04.14 | Bounty | thats the concept |
| 23:04.29 | JademusSreg | Bounty, prototype it. I like the asymmetry. |
| 23:04.36 | Dustin | Omg there's a Custom Script type |
| 23:04.36 | JademusSreg | Dustin, clarify? |
| 23:04.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:04.43 | Bounty | u cant really prototype that JademusSreg |
| 23:04.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 23:04.49 | Dustin | Ive been using GUI like a chump because I wanted the folder organisation |
| 23:04.55 | JademusSreg | Ah, haha. |
| 23:04.55 | Bounty | but heres the question JademusSreg |
| 23:04.59 | Bounty | theres 3 relics but |
| 23:05.09 | Bounty | does 1 start in each teams base and one in the center |
| 23:05.16 | Bounty | or do all three start outside of the teams bases |
| 23:05.21 | JademusSreg | Outside. |
| 23:05.25 | Bounty | ok so |
| 23:05.32 | Bounty | 5 structures then |
| 23:05.38 | JademusSreg | Otherwise they won't appreciate the bonus if they have it by default. |
| 23:05.40 | Bounty | 2 team base pyramids and 3 for the relics |
| 23:05.44 | Bounty | true |
| 23:06.14 | Bounty | im thinkin of just using the same classes from battlefield egypt II but adding some more |
| 23:06.25 | Bounty | or |
| 23:06.33 | Bounty | i could go that other route i discussed with u |
| 23:06.39 | Bounty | in that there are no more "classes" |
| 23:06.48 | Bounty | u pick up classes like u would pick up weapons in Quake |
| 23:06.52 | Bounty | and can swap |
| 23:07.04 | JademusSreg | I think that is definitely worth prototyping. |
| 23:07.15 | Dustin | Jade that doesnt look like it would work well Multiplayer |
| 23:07.17 | JademusSreg | Kind of like Mario and powerups. |
| 23:07.25 | Bounty | thats alot of work for a prototype though |
| 23:07.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:07.34 | Bounty | would have to make the entire game |
| 23:07.34 | Dustin | But I had the same idea for a randomly generated RPG |
| 23:07.35 | JademusSreg | Dustin, yeah, I know, like I said, it's a proof of concept, not a demo. |
| 23:07.43 | JademusSreg | Even the code in that map is shit. |
| 23:08.12 | JademusSreg | Bounty, prototyping lets you know if an idea is worth pursuing before you get invested in it. |
| 23:08.17 | Dustin | ^ |
| 23:08.27 | Dustin | find out the tech limits on the idea and the engine |
| 23:08.31 | JademusSreg | A super-map, for instance, while cool, is not practical, so I didn't do anything with it. |
| 23:08.32 | Bounty | Well i mean i know i want to do a third game in the series |
| 23:08.44 | Bounty | i think it deserves a third |
| 23:08.49 | Bounty | its my most praised |
| 23:08.53 | Bounty | believe it or not |
| 23:09.01 | Bounty | with the exception of doodad hunt but i dont count that anymore |
| 23:09.01 | Bounty | >< |
| 23:09.42 | Dustin | I really think we should get a SC2mapster team together and work on 1 badass map |
| 23:09.50 | Bounty | and as with all Battlefield Egypt games... the terrain is first lol |
| 23:10.07 | JademusSreg | You mean like an All-Stars / rock Super-group sort of thing? |
| 23:10.17 | Dustin | Yes |
| 23:10.32 | Bounty | You cant do it yourself dustin? |
| 23:10.52 | Dustin | I dont have 2 years of man labor to give :P |
| 23:11.01 | Dustin | But if we split that up between multiple people |
| 23:11.09 | Dustin | You get more done, more insight and more balance |
| 23:11.23 | JademusSreg | I have a number of ideas on the backburner, in addition to the projects I have a hand in currently. |
| 23:11.24 | Dustin | Especially with the SC2 editor where it takes so long to do anything |
| 23:11.29 | Dustin | Same |
| 23:11.42 | Dustin | I think we could combine some of the best ideas into 1 badass game |
| 23:14.25 | JademusSreg | Big Maybe. |
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| 23:21.30 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:44.41 | JademusSreg | Looks like Gratuitous Tank Battles is almost (by almost, I mean relatively speaking; it's still quite far) the perfect tower defense game. |
| 23:54.02 | Ahli | contains a ton of awesome features by the looks of it |
