| 00:01.05 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 00:02.57 | AlphA_VsT | how many cells are your blocks? |
| 00:04.29 | AlphA_VsT | 2 right? |
| 00:04.42 | AlphA_VsT | well 2x2 |
| 00:04.58 | AlphA_VsT | that would make them 64 pixels :D |
| 00:05.18 | AlphA_VsT | or wait |
| 00:05.44 | Currydevil | they looked closer to 180 |
| 00:05.53 | Currydevil | when I measured them |
| 00:06.20 | AlphA_VsT | i forgot my grid wasnt 1 for 1 |
| 00:06.21 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 00:06.38 | AlphA_VsT | i also forgot you cant match the grid 1 for 1 |
| 00:06.49 | AlphA_VsT | because its off by a 1/3 of a cell |
| 00:07.14 | AlphA_VsT | thats why I use a 3x3 grid for each cell 0.o |
| 00:07.48 | Currydevil | well I can break it down a little |
| 00:08.09 | AlphA_VsT | nope |
| 00:08.20 | AlphA_VsT | its 10.75 cells |
| 00:08.33 | Currydevil | 1024 is? |
| 00:08.36 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 00:09.41 | AlphA_VsT | I mean If you can find a way to make it fit :D |
| 00:09.55 | Currydevil | how many cells are you walls? 6x6? |
| 00:09.57 | AlphA_VsT | but I remmeber spending like almsot a week on the stupid thing |
| 00:10.14 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:11.31 | Currydevil | I'll do a diff pattern. Just need to think of something that looks ok under squares |
| 00:12.44 | AlphA_VsT | yes little squares |
| 00:12.46 | AlphA_VsT | use :p |
| 00:12.50 | Currydevil | lol |
| 00:13.07 | Currydevil | yeah I could do a 4x4 pixel grid all over 1024 |
| 00:13.08 | Currydevil | lol |
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| 00:13.42 | AlphA_VsT | thats really small :p |
| 00:13.56 | Currydevil | mhm |
| 00:14.12 | Currydevil | so a cell is 32x32? |
| 00:15.10 | Currydevil | hmm, nvm. can't be. |
| 00:15.21 | Currydevil | got to be closer to 90 |
| 00:16.55 | JademusSreg | A cell is 4096*4096 |
| 00:17.10 | Currydevil | pixels? |
| 00:17.48 | AlphA_VsT | jade you lie :p |
| 00:18.04 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 00:18.11 | JademusSreg | I'm refering to point data. |
| 00:18.46 | AlphA_VsT | it would be nice if cells where 32x32 |
| 00:18.55 | Currydevil | yeah, would be |
| 00:20.50 | AlphA_VsT | each cell is about 95.5 pixels |
| 00:21.06 | AlphA_VsT | if my math is right |
| 00:21.13 | AlphA_VsT | 1024/10.75 :P |
| 00:26.22 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah |
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| 00:46.01 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 00:54.26 | AlphA_VsT | quiet |
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| 00:58.50 | AlphA_VsT | anyone |
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| 01:14.10 | tordy | oh lord :[ |
| 01:14.28 | tordy | hello Mephs |
| 01:15.23 | AlphA_VsT | hi |
| 01:16.25 | tordy | heo |
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| 01:48.49 | AlphA_VsT | howdy |
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| 02:00.16 | ________________ | tl;dr, one of the most useful phrases ever |
| 02:00.28 | ________________ | i 4get what i used 2 say b4 i knew this 1 |
| 02:10.05 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 02:49.48 | AlphA_VsT | so quiet in here |
| 03:16.38 | Currydevil | sigh, i can't even make a 256x256 fit in a 1024 properly. /fail |
| 03:16.53 | Currydevil | there's a 1 pixel difference on the right side =( |
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| 03:18.02 | Batomys | Evenin' |
| 03:19.00 | Batomys | I just reworked my entire unlock and build system, tested locally but I need to see if it still works with 4 actual players |
| 03:19.09 | Batomys | Anyone interested in doing a run thru? |
| 03:20.59 | Batomys | Come on, don't make me resort to custom games lobby on battle.net again |
| 03:21.06 | Batomys | trawling for sailors like some hussy |
| 03:41.45 | ________________ | i can help u |
| 03:41.58 | ________________ | lmk when u have enough and ill log on |
| 03:45.48 | Batomys | Had a bunch of randoms, all they did was lag and then drop |
| 03:46.04 | Batomys | We can debug with 2 if you still want to try |
| 03:46.19 | ________________ | ya its cool |
| 03:48.13 | Batomys | What is your name in sc2? |
| 03:48.14 | ________________ | im in the sc2mapster channel |
| 03:48.30 | ________________ | if ur in the channel say sumthing |
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| 03:49.17 | QueenG | hi batomys |
| 03:58.43 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
| 03:59.08 | ________________ | sup |
| 04:00.14 | JademusSreg | I've been drinking, but have since exhausted the night's supply of delicious intoxicants. |
| 04:01.35 | ________________ | ouch, already? Time to hit vons and buy new stuff |
| 04:02.03 | JademusSreg | I've got plenty mode here, but it would not be prudent to get into another bottle. |
| 04:02.11 | JademusSreg | *more |
| 04:04.36 | Batomys | Jademus |
| 04:04.48 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:04.56 | Batomys | Got some time for a map run through? _________'s internet pooped out |
| 04:04.59 | Batomys | jus tneed 1 more |
| 04:05.12 | JademusSreg | Right after I smoke, sure. |
| 04:05.19 | JademusSreg | brbi5 |
| 04:07.14 | ________________ | didnt know jades liked to cross |
| 04:10.56 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 04:11.03 | Batomys | in the sc2mapster cvhannel |
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| 04:13.23 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/aCSiS.png Hmm, lighting issues it seems. Or there is something i'm not doing in GIMP prior to importing it. |
| 04:13.40 | Currydevil | It's supposed to look more cyan. much brighter |
| 04:14.19 | ________________ | alpha? |
| 04:14.43 | Currydevil | It must be? I'm not sure.... |
| 04:15.08 | Currydevil | all i'm doing is making a texture in gimp and saving as dds. If there's something i'm not doing to the alpha then I don't know what it is. |
| 04:35.36 | ________________ | 65446541541 |
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| 04:42.47 | Currydevil | ? |
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| 04:50.52 | QueenG | hi batomys |
| 04:51.51 | Batomys | Thanks again guys |
| 04:51.53 | Batomys | much appreciated |
| 04:52.10 | JademusSreg | The map is impressive in a technical capacity, it had a cinematic quality to it, but I think I am not the target demographic for the gameplay, because at no point did I enjoy playing it. It reminded me of Heavy Rain. |
| 04:52.36 | ________________ | ^ good game |
| 04:52.51 | JademusSreg | If you like QTEs in your movies, sure. |
| 04:53.10 | Batomys | I need to add in more children that get kidnapped and murdered |
| 04:53.18 | ________________ | lolol |
| 04:53.36 | JademusSreg | You're watching Trainspotting and you think "This would be better if I had to press X to mainline heroine". |
| 04:57.42 | JademusSreg | Quick Time Events are rhythm games without rhythm, they are what Myst would be if instead of an entire screen to randomly click on because the "puzzle" doesn't make sense, you only had 8 buttons to randomly jab. Instead of playing Heavy Rain, you'd be better off reading a wiki about it, because if you're playing it for the story (hah), you may as well skip the "gameplay" altogether. |
| 04:58.34 | ________________ | wikis arent visually stimulating |
| 05:10.36 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Bat, I think the map is half-way to being superb; it is well crafted and polished. The gameplay just doesn't stimulate me. There's a lot of resource management, which isn't bad, but not much in the way of orthogonality; what you can do at any particular time is extremely limited, the baseline activity consists almost entirely of the macromanagement of your resources (time, energy, |
| 05:10.36 | JademusSreg | minerals, vespene and such) and waiting for abilities to cooldown. There's no synergy (implicit or explicit) between your options, so the sequence of options isn't meaningful. It's less like playing something and more like assembling something large (the solution to the game) from something small (each of your individual actions) without any inherent value of gameplay, kind of like assembling |
| 05:10.36 | JademusSreg | a (admittedly beautiful) lifesize replica of a landmark from popsicle sticks. |
| 05:11.47 | QueenG | Yes, that is how i feel about it too. And its hard to mention it when the game is made so beautifully too |
| 05:12.10 | JademusSreg | It is lovely, impressive, and I would play it through exactly once to the end. |
| 05:12.25 | Batomys | Yeah, I need to come up with something more compelling for you to do |
| 05:12.30 | Batomys | Great feedback |
| 05:13.06 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 05:13.14 | JademusSreg | I look forward to seeing how it turns out. |
| 05:14.19 | Batomys | Not being able to pew-pew is a big problem I think, it just isn't interesting to roleplay a SCV alone |
| 05:18.39 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/aCSiS.png So, i've been looking around for alpha mapping tutorials, but I'm having poor luck. Anyone have an idea how to make this brighter in game? To be the cyan i actually put on it in GIMP? |
| 05:20.37 | JademusSreg | What does the original look like? |
| 05:21.54 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/ccoDV.png |
| 05:22.21 | JademusSreg | What are the light values for the terrain? |
| 05:24.25 | Currydevil | From where? I am looking at the lights for the terrain in data atm |
| 05:25.12 | JademusSreg | All the light data, preferably. There are a lot of values that might influence how the terrain textures are rendering. |
| 05:26.24 | JademusSreg | Anything from fog to diffusion factor to the ambient light color and so forth. (Well, fog is in the terrain texture set data.) |
| 05:28.04 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/W68Tf.png |
| 05:29.21 | JademusSreg | I doubt the specular values will make much of a difference, and the terrain diffuse is already 1. You're welcome to try turning it up, but I must wonder if there is a more efficient solution. |
| 05:30.47 | Currydevil | Well, there is this little blurb on the tut I was following for a time, but it doesn't ellaborate and I can't seem to find out how to change the alpha map the way it suggests |
| 05:30.48 | Currydevil | http://www.galaxywiki.net/Custom_Terrain_Textures |
| 05:31.52 | JademusSreg | I don't use gimp, so I cannot hazard to guess a solution. |
| 05:31.57 | Currydevil | np |
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| 05:32.37 | ________________ | throw me the texture, i wanna give u 2 differently alpha'd versions so u can see if it's the alpha effecting it |
| 05:36.40 | Currydevil | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35414434/FloorTexture.dds |
| 05:37.09 | Currydevil | as awesome as that will be if it's the alpha.. I still don't know how to do it myself =( |
| 05:40.06 | ________________ | i mean, i sortve doubt its the alpha at this point, but its easy to learn if it is the alpha |
| 05:40.19 | ________________ | http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/uhCCRY4Cm7KViaABVaiFDA |
| 05:43.54 | Currydevil | Mind if ask what you did do to the alpha though? Just curious. |
| 05:44.11 | ________________ | set the alpha to either 0 or 60 % |
| 05:44.19 | ________________ | basically making it more or less transparent |
| 05:44.27 | ________________ | more alpha = more transparent |
| 05:44.38 | Currydevil | ok |
| 05:45.10 | Currydevil | adding a layer mask to it or what? I seem to fail at manipulating the alpha channel |
| 05:45.30 | ________________ | i use photoshop... alpha is another channel |
| 05:45.34 | ________________ | like red/green/blue |
| 05:45.58 | Currydevil | Aye, I am using gimp though. My ps is locked down on my pos laptop w/o a working hdd |
| 05:47.01 | ________________ | ): |
| 05:53.51 | ________________ | so'd u test 'em? |
| 06:21.21 | Currydevil | Sorry, I had to go play host to my daughter. she thinks it's playtime |
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| 06:22.58 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 06:23.12 | ________________ | its always playtime for little girls |
| 06:23.30 | ________________ | especially when you want to sleep lol |
| 06:23.38 | Currydevil | It's got to be the lighting for the terrain. |
| 06:23.49 | ________________ | that sux D: |
| 06:23.53 | Currydevil | When I look at the textures in the previewer, they look fine. |
| 06:24.06 | JademusSreg | Kapow. |
| 06:24.47 | Currydevil | The 60 didn't change anything. |
| 06:24.50 | Currydevil | heh |
| 06:24.58 | Currydevil | Well, time to tinker with lighting |
| 06:28.47 | Currydevil | Well, shoot. That was almost too easy. |
| 06:28.51 | Currydevil | -.- |
| 06:28.54 | Currydevil | It's always the little things. |
| 06:29.01 | JademusSreg | Which value? |
| 06:29.12 | Currydevil | ambient color. |
| 06:29.21 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:29.27 | Currydevil | Aye. |
| 06:29.39 | Currydevil | But it looks nicer now =P |
| 06:29.41 | JademusSreg | [01:26:34] <JademusSreg> Anything from fog to diffusion factor to the ambient light color and so forth. =D |
| 06:29.59 | Currydevil | Indeed, I saw it once, but I passed over it before. |
| 06:41.15 | Bounty | Nom Nom |
| 06:42.46 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/VQzAT.png There. And not white so it won't be headache inducing. |
| 06:44.04 | JademusSreg | Tada/ |
| 06:45.34 | ________________ | yay |
| 06:46.14 | Bounty | You people and yer random generatimathings |
| 06:47.07 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 06:47.33 | Bounty | Curry is working on a randomly generate thing |
| 06:47.35 | Bounty | right? |
| 06:47.48 | Currydevil | mhm |
| 06:47.54 | Bounty | ok then |
| 06:47.59 | Bounty | thats why i said that JademusSreg |
| 06:48.01 | Bounty | =P |
| 06:48.14 | JademusSreg | I don't keep track. I just think it looks kind of pretty. |
| 06:48.57 | Currydevil | Next up, making the blocks look better. and less overly glowy white. |
| 06:49.22 | Bounty | If you figure that out let me know |
| 06:49.31 | Bounty | I could use some shapes |
| 06:49.35 | Bounty | to build some stuff >< |
| 06:49.39 | JademusSreg | Texture set by id. |
| 06:49.44 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:49.52 | Currydevil | There are plenty of shapes =O |
| 06:56.47 | Bounty | this shit is crazy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjj5066SjTc&feature=g-vrec&context=G2597654RVAAAAAAAAAA |
| 06:57.02 | Bounty | 1 trillion frames per second |
| 06:57.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:57.57 | JademusSreg | (By polling light pulses and interpolating.) |
| 07:04.55 | Currydevil | Boo, there's no .dds for the model I want =O |
| 07:06.38 | Bounty | This is how i'll be spending the rest of my night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219YybX66MY&feature=related |
| 07:06.50 | Bounty | Could listen to this dude all day |
| 07:07.20 | ________________ | i started to play it in the background as i study until i realized it was an hour |
| 07:07.35 | Bounty | Thats what i thought to |
| 07:07.41 | Bounty | Then i just let it go, glad i did |
| 07:07.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:09.31 | Bounty | shit is so crazy |
| 07:09.36 | Bounty | Internet Contact Lenses |
| 07:09.40 | Bounty | haha |
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| 07:19.19 | Currydevil | Are all unit texture .dds' the same size? pixel wise |
| 07:22.11 | Currydevil | Or rather, this is my problem. It seems the shape cube unit/model has no texture on top of the team color layer. |
| 07:22.41 | Currydevil | and I'm not sure where to start. =O |
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| 07:28.22 | JademusSreg | Sleep time. |
| 07:29.48 | Currydevil | see ya. |
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| 12:28.43 | flyingspatula | hey what kind of jump would be the best for a run and chase kinda game where u jump alot? a realistic jump where once you jump it goes in the direction you were moving, or a jump where u can change your directional momentum middair? |
| 12:31.40 | A1win | depends on how long you spend in the air I guess |
| 12:31.53 | A1win | and how much time you have to turn when not in the air |
| 12:32.19 | A1win | and how far you jump |
| 12:32.23 | A1win | and how the controls feel |
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| 13:01.50 | flyingspatula | hmm, well things would need to be easily jump over and with bnet delay wonder if its best to just have changeable direction when jumping. i see alot of games that do it. |
| 13:02.24 | A1win | I can't imagine a chase game where you jump a lot working well on SC2 |
| 13:02.55 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 13:03.05 | flyingspatula | well ull bable to jump over objects pretty easily |
| 13:03.12 | flyingspatula | i came up with a way to do it |
| 13:03.18 | A1win | it sounds like you'd need pretty responsive controls, which you can't have |
| 13:03.33 | A1win | unless the jumping is automatic |
| 13:03.57 | flyingspatula | delay isnt real bad. delay is bad whe nur actually needing accuracy for a game that requires it |
| 13:04.23 | flyingspatula | when jumping |
| 13:04.28 | flyingspatula | even if u dont make it over the object |
| 13:04.34 | flyingspatula | u can still land on TOP of the object and walk right off it |
| 13:04.56 | flyingspatula | jumping around on top of objects is rather the purpose |
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| 13:16.00 | flyingspatula | wish i could get this doodad to change footprint correctly |
| 13:24.02 | flyingspatula | wish sc2 had a floating elevator like in wc3 so units could walk in the air without terrain like bridges workl |
| 13:24.20 | flyingspatula | sc2 brdiges wont work withtou the bridge model sigh |
| 13:33.39 | Dustin | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xo797x_upstairs_fun?start=95#from=embed |
| 13:33.41 | Dustin | nsfw |
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| 14:15.59 | Demonette_ | Helral is always idling -.- |
| 14:17.24 | flyingspatula | has anyone experimented with sc2 lighting in the editor? |
| 14:17.34 | flyingspatula | trying to make the game look cartoonish |
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| 15:01.42 | flyingspatula | hey alpha |
| 15:01.46 | flyingspatula | got a question for ya |
| 15:02.22 | flyingspatula | on ur paper zombie map what did u do to make everything/units grey/white-ish |
| 15:04.51 | flyingspatula | you used lighting right |
| 15:08.50 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 15:08.54 | AlphA_VsT | textures |
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| 15:10.21 | flyingspatula | u didntr need to |
| 15:10.24 | flyingspatula | lighting doe sit all for u |
| 15:10.25 | flyingspatula | instantly |
| 15:10.33 | flyingspatula | and VERY easy |
| 15:10.44 | flyingspatula | you should look at it |
| 15:11.02 | flyingspatula | i was gonna let u know a few days ago when u were working on texturing stuff but i totally forgot sorry |
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| 15:13.42 | AlphA_VsT | no it doesnt |
| 15:13.53 | AlphA_VsT | you cant do what I wanted to do with lightning |
| 15:14.07 | AlphA_VsT | plain and simple |
| 15:15.37 | flyingspatula | this? well just a quick example http://i.imgur.com/Vk1Of.jpg |
| 15:16.17 | AlphA_VsT | != http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-03-18%20at%204.38.26%20PM.png |
| 15:16.54 | flyingspatula | but those dont look paperlike either |
| 15:20.36 | flyingspatula | im not sure why u want them to be dark grey with white ripples since its not paperlike but i guess thats what u wanted. |
| 15:22.01 | Dustin | alpha's looks more hard drawn |
| 15:22.06 | Dustin | Which is what Im thinking hes going for |
| 15:22.59 | Dustin | Looks alot like Desktop Defender |
| 15:23.30 | flyingspatula | hm i can see why hed to texture editing then but just kinda lost as to whynot a more paperlike texture |
| 15:23.36 | flyingspatula | but ive never played desktop defender :P |
| 15:24.16 | flyingspatula | ive been messing with lighting trying to make my map look cartoony lately so i thot id just mention it incase he didnt know |
| 15:25.14 | Dustin | Ya you can do alot with lighting |
| 15:26.34 | flyingspatula | yeah its kinda cool and fun |
| 15:26.56 | flyingspatula | eerything is way too brigth and radioactive whe ni try making it more cartoony getitng annoying |
| 15:28.27 | flyingspatula | saturation helps a bit but strians the eyes |
| 15:28.58 | Dustin | yaaa |
| 15:29.12 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 15:29.24 | AlphA_VsT | considering im not fully done with the textures... |
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| 15:37.09 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDmUtkqjZhY&feature=player_embedded#! OMG! |
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| 15:41.15 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 15:41.17 | flyingspatula | fat guys |
| 15:41.31 | AlphA_VsT | that guy is fuckign omg |
| 15:41.48 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeJ1UqnHsvU&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 15:43.17 | AlphA_VsT | cant stop laughing |
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| 15:45.59 | flyingspatula | dude if someone stole my mountain dew while i was raiding id be PISSSSED TOO BRAH |
| 15:46.25 | AlphA_VsT | I love the part where he says he cant afford real mountain dew :P |
| 15:46.35 | flyingspatula | lolol |
| 15:47.29 | AlphA_VsT | that guy |
| 15:48.19 | AlphA_VsT | OMG |
| 15:48.21 | AlphA_VsT | http://bostinno.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/03/419059_1507580045708_1120500823_30885928_849110466_n.jpg |
| 15:48.27 | AlphA_VsT | that makes so much sense :P |
| 15:52.19 | flyingspatula | lolya ive see that |
| 15:52.21 | flyingspatula | seen |
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| 15:52.37 | `Nardival | Yo |
| 15:52.50 | `Nardival | Can anyone tell me the hard limit for a number of units to be in game at any one point in time? |
| 15:53.06 | `Nardival | And is there a separate limit to when they stop rendering on the minimap? |
| 15:54.15 | flyingspatula | i dont think theres a limit to units as far as im aware |
| 15:54.30 | AlphA_VsT | its 2000 something for a single unit |
| 15:54.32 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 15:54.49 | flyingspatula | b4 it wont allow more? |
| 15:54.50 | `Nardival | Ahh that's plenty :) |
| 15:54.53 | AlphA_VsT | so 2000 zerglings and 2000 marines |
| 15:54.56 | flyingspatula | well ya its pretty high |
| 15:55.06 | AlphA_VsT | but your game will lag to shit |
| 15:55.11 | AlphA_VsT | with that many units |
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| 16:01.43 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 16:01.47 | AlphA_VsT | have fun with lag |
| 16:01.51 | AlphA_VsT | I had games like that |
| 16:01.57 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 16:02.55 | Xaragoth | well |
| 16:02.59 | Xaragoth | bioware can do things right |
| 16:03.08 | Xaragoth | my reward pack for the multiplayer event had the shotgun I wished for |
| 16:03.20 | Xaragoth | played the entire single player with that one collector's edition gun |
| 16:03.24 | Xaragoth | <3 |
| 16:05.49 | AlphA_VsT | lolololol |
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| 16:07.19 | flyingspatula | alpha do you have experience in animation/model editing? |
| 16:10.45 | AlphA_VsT | not really i can make static models :P |
| 16:10.49 | flyingspatula | ah lol |
| 16:11.13 | AlphA_VsT | i never really tried, the exporter sucks for animations and doesnt work :P |
| 16:11.18 | flyingspatula | guess if my map actually keeps goin as it is i might find someone to edit one for me just 1 model |
| 16:11.20 | AlphA_VsT | maybe once they have the real tools |
| 16:11.29 | flyingspatula | ah yeah |
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| 16:22.58 | Helral | meows |
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| 16:23.25 | RipperRooX | shut up damn kitteh *throws a bottle of beer* |
| 16:23.40 | Helral | catches the bottle of beer, and hands it to Sixen. |
| 16:23.45 | Helral | meows |
| 16:25.37 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 16:25.41 | Helral | :) |
| 16:26.51 | Ashamed | jade got owned in some ling ling rocket. |
| 16:27.06 | RipperRooX | hehe helral :D |
| 16:27.19 | Helral | meows innocently |
| 16:28.22 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 16:31.51 | Ashamed | helral = n00b -.- |
| 16:31.59 | AlphA_VsT | no way |
| 16:32.04 | AlphA_VsT | really |
| 16:32.05 | Ashamed | kitty n00b |
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| 16:42.11 | flyingspatula | so i need edit a skybox model and make the top and bottom flat isntead. how difficult is this gonna be lol |
| 16:43.25 | flyingspatula | basically turn it from a sphere to a cyllindar |
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| 16:52.35 | AlphA_VsT | why? |
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| 17:02.16 | flyingspatula | because just the way camera clipping works, i need it to be a cylinder instead of circle |
| 17:02.25 | flyingspatula | since top and bottom will clip first |
| 17:02.28 | flyingspatula | when a circile |
| 17:03.27 | Dustin | Anyone wanna play some Ling Ling Rocket? |
| 17:03.33 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 17:03.41 | AlphA_VsT | fuck that game |
| 17:03.46 | AlphA_VsT | fucking sucks dick |
| 17:03.49 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 17:04.02 | Dustin | Its so god damn intense though |
| 17:04.06 | Dustin | Its like crack |
| 17:04.08 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 17:04.41 | AlphA_VsT | I have fun playing my own map :P |
| 17:04.51 | Dustin | Lets paly yours then |
| 17:04.54 | Dustin | I havent played it yet |
| 17:05.00 | AlphA_VsT | im working on it :p |
| 17:05.00 | Dustin | Tried it once but I had all the marines |
| 17:05.05 | Dustin | Pshaa |
| 17:05.23 | AlphA_VsT | thats all you start with :P |
| 17:05.36 | Dustin | I had each players |
| 17:05.40 | Dustin | Though |
| 17:05.44 | Dustin | Is that how it works? |
| 17:05.48 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 17:05.56 | Dustin | splits up a ecrtain number of marines between all players |
| 17:05.59 | Dustin | ahh |
| 17:06.01 | AlphA_VsT | if someone leaves you get the unit |
| 17:06.08 | AlphA_VsT | its for balance :P |
| 17:06.20 | AlphA_VsT | would be impossible to play with 1 unit :P |
| 17:06.46 | Dustin | Should jsut adjust zombie stats based on playern umber :P |
| 17:07.24 | flyingspatula | ugh cant open m3 in blender |
| 17:09.13 | AlphA_VsT | still wouldn't be fair |
| 17:09.27 | AlphA_VsT | you need diffrent units to do diffrent things |
| 17:09.36 | AlphA_VsT | and you cant switch that often |
| 17:10.12 | AlphA_VsT | I'm blancing the ghost unit right now, because I will be adding in the new zombie unit :P |
| 17:10.23 | AlphA_VsT | which it counters :P |
| 17:10.28 | Dustin | nice |
| 17:10.41 | Dustin | We need like 5 badass 3d modelers to hang around in here |
| 17:11.46 | AlphA_VsT | marines kill zombies and are pushers, marauders are tanks and hive killers :P ghosts are back up and are best for solo point captures |
| 17:12.23 | AlphA_VsT | not a simple fucking kill zombie map |
| 17:12.24 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 17:12.36 | AlphA_VsT | I'm going to work on the first boss also :P |
| 17:12.43 | JademusSreg | Rar. |
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| 17:17.57 | Dustin | Hmmm |
| 17:18.05 | Dustin | I want to allow shooting while moving |
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| 17:18.16 | JademusSreg | Easy enough. |
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| 17:18.23 | Dustin | but I dont want to have to do all the modeling work required to make it work right |
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| 17:18.50 | AlphA_VsT | work right? |
| 17:19.17 | JademusSreg | Oh, you mean like having the upper body of the unit rotate relative to firing yaw, and the lower body moving relative to movement yaw? |
| 17:19.27 | Dustin | Not that I dotn want to do it, I just dont know how |
| 17:19.29 | Dustin | Exactly |
| 17:19.31 | Dustin | I mean |
| 17:19.36 | Dustin | I could splice the model |
| 17:19.36 | JademusSreg | The thing that Frostwind complained about for -months-. |
| 17:19.46 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 17:19.48 | Dustin | And have a turret for the upperhalf |
| 17:19.52 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 17:20.11 | Dustin | But that would look weird when shooting 180 degrees from your facing |
| 17:20.33 | flyingspatula | grrrrrrrrr i import this m3 and nothing happens FML |
| 17:21.05 | AlphA_VsT | what do you want to happen |
| 17:21.53 | flyingspatula | lol the model to appear? |
| 17:22.03 | AlphA_VsT | what do you mean? |
| 17:22.06 | flyingspatula | i downloaded the import and i can open m3 but none are visible |
| 17:22.12 | AlphA_VsT | it takes more than "importing" it |
| 17:22.17 | flyingspatula | like what |
| 17:22.58 | AlphA_VsT | like giving it a model... and atatching that model to a actor.... |
| 17:23.41 | Dustin | He's talking about Blender |
| 17:23.45 | JademusSreg | Dustin, if the player unit is a robot, it's fine. =D |
| 17:23.55 | Dustin | Its a person :P |
| 17:24.09 | Dustin | But i dont think it would be that big of a deal anyway |
| 17:24.12 | AlphA_VsT | blender support importing stacraft files? |
| 17:24.19 | Dustin | i dont think so |
| 17:24.24 | AlphA_VsT | didnt know someone made a plug in |
| 17:24.50 | flyingspatula | theres a plugin guess it just doesnt work anymore |
| 17:25.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol... |
| 17:25.24 | AlphA_VsT | yeah I would think not... seeing as how the 3dsmax one barely works |
| 17:25.29 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 17:25.29 | AlphA_VsT | and everyone uses that one |
| 17:25.37 | flyingspatula | is that free still? |
| 17:25.38 | AlphA_VsT | ive never even heard of another |
| 17:25.41 | flyingspatula | the free version |
| 17:25.45 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 17:25.51 | AlphA_VsT | the free version is still free |
| 17:25.53 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 17:25.56 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 17:25.58 | flyingspatula | well i meant |
| 17:26.02 | flyingspatula | they stopped updating it or something |
| 17:26.10 | AlphA_VsT | you need to use 2011 |
| 17:26.14 | AlphA_VsT | or it wont work |
| 17:26.24 | Dustin | damn I have 2010 |
| 17:26.30 | AlphA_VsT | or was it 2010 |
| 17:26.30 | flyingspatula | why dont ppl just torrent the real 3dmax |
| 17:26.36 | AlphA_VsT | i know 10 and 11 work :p |
| 17:26.39 | AlphA_VsT | jus tnto 12 |
| 17:26.49 | Dustin | wooot |
| 17:26.50 | AlphA_VsT | becasue it is the full version |
| 17:26.58 | AlphA_VsT | and if you are a student you can get it free |
| 17:27.08 | flyingspatula | im a student |
| 17:27.10 | AlphA_VsT | I would rather do something legally then not |
| 17:27.18 | Dustin | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-import-plugin/ |
| 17:27.30 | AlphA_VsT | http://students.autodesk.com/ |
| 17:28.24 | Dustin | wtf |
| 17:28.52 | Dustin | My 3ds max I downloaded a couplem onths ago has a m3 importer script thats a higher version then the wc2mapster site |
| 17:28.56 | Dustin | This makes no sense |
| 17:29.47 | Dustin | sc2mapster |
| 17:29.53 | Dustin | lol wc2mapster |
| 17:29.58 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 17:30.20 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/files/24-m3-plugins-v1-7b/ |
| 17:30.22 | AlphA_VsT | that one? |
| 17:31.56 | Dustin | ya |
| 17:32.21 | flyingspatula | cool got it downloaded |
| 17:32.23 | flyingspatula | wait |
| 17:32.24 | flyingspatula | oh god |
| 17:32.26 | flyingspatula | 3 gigs |
| 17:32.26 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 17:34.04 | flyingspatula | maybe ill just do a thread request |
| 17:34.41 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 17:34.46 | AlphA_VsT | 3 gigs? |
| 17:34.54 | AlphA_VsT | for what |
| 17:35.58 | flyingspatula | 3dsmax |
| 17:36.00 | flyingspatula | is 3 gigs |
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| 17:48.28 | Helral | meows |
| 17:48.49 | AlphA_VsT | no its not |
| 17:48.52 | AlphA_VsT | you crazy |
| 17:49.00 | Dustin | God damnit I cant add a key lol |
| 17:49.01 | flyingspatula | lol it is |
| 17:49.04 | flyingspatula | its 3.1gb |
| 17:49.18 | flyingspatula | 2012 |
| 17:49.22 | flyingspatula | student version |
| 17:54.44 | Dustin | lmfao |
| 17:54.51 | Dustin | Well I made him move |
| 17:55.02 | Dustin | not exactly what I had in mind with auto keyframe but its a start |
| 18:00.24 | AlphA_VsT | flyingspatula, 2012 doesnt work |
| 18:00.27 | AlphA_VsT | like i said above |
| 18:00.28 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 18:00.39 | flyingspatula | what doesnt work about it |
| 18:00.50 | AlphA_VsT | 3dsam 2012 with the nin plugin |
| 18:00.53 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 18:01.05 | flyingspatula | oh well |
| 18:01.09 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 18:03.09 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 18:15.06 | ________________ | why must people overcomplicate things =\ |
| 18:15.19 | ________________ | now i have to create my own system thats simple gah |
| 18:15.22 | ________________ | so much work |
| 18:20.20 | AlphA_VsT | system for what? |
| 18:20.37 | ________________ | unit pool spawning |
| 18:20.53 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 18:21.00 | ________________ | like this: |
| 18:21.09 | ________________ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/15552-triggers-unit-pool/#p1 |
| 18:21.26 | ________________ | i finally got to a point in the map where i needed this so i finally opened it to see what he did |
| 18:21.33 | AlphA_VsT | so weighted randoms? |
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| 18:21.37 | ________________ | and it's way overexaggerated on what is needed |
| 18:21.40 | ________________ | ya basically |
| 18:21.59 | AlphA_VsT | i think I looked at that |
| 18:22.00 | ________________ | so im redoing it =\ |
| 18:22.06 | AlphA_VsT | when i needed my weighted randoms |
| 18:22.16 | ________________ | did u use his method? |
| 18:22.19 | AlphA_VsT | I have weighted random someplace :P |
| 18:22.21 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 18:22.23 | AlphA_VsT | not at all |
| 18:22.24 | ________________ | figured |
| 18:23.15 | AlphA_VsT | i think its in my smash map |
| 18:23.32 | ________________ | i think ive got an idea in my head of how im gonna put it together |
| 18:23.42 | ________________ | gonna try writing it out 2 find bugs in it |
| 18:24.32 | AlphA_VsT | hmm nope |
| 18:24.40 | AlphA_VsT | where did i need weighted randoms |
| 18:24.45 | ________________ | o.o |
| 18:25.20 | ________________ | does a behavior stack count of 1 mean 1 behavior or 2? |
| 18:25.28 | ________________ | via trigger reading i mean |
| 18:25.45 | AlphA_VsT | HA |
| 18:25.45 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 18:25.47 | AlphA_VsT | here it is |
| 18:25.54 | ________________ | ? |
| 18:26.42 | AlphA_VsT | basically all i did was assign a value a range of numbers |
| 18:26.59 | AlphA_VsT | and then did a random from 1 to total value |
| 18:27.47 | AlphA_VsT | so value 1 = 3 and value 2 = 1 it would be 4 |
| 18:27.55 | AlphA_VsT | so random 1-4 |
| 18:28.54 | AlphA_VsT | I would give you the triggers for it :P |
| 18:29.05 | ________________ | its cool |
| 18:29.15 | ________________ | id rather write things for myself if i can, it helps me lern |
| 18:29.16 | ________________ | learn* |
| 18:29.17 | AlphA_VsT | but its really built for the map |
| 18:29.23 | ________________ | gotcha |
| 18:29.23 | AlphA_VsT | of course :p |
| 18:29.25 | ________________ | :) |
| 18:29.37 | ________________ | ~Mr. Postman |
| 18:29.42 | ________________ | hmm |
| 18:29.45 | AlphA_VsT | Just so you could see how I did it :P |
| 18:29.48 | ________________ | ~dict Mr. Postman |
| 18:29.53 | ________________ | aw |
| 18:30.11 | ________________ | im glad other ppl have needed a system similar, not just me lol |
| 18:30.23 | ________________ | in case i fuk up and it dies i can ask for help ^^ |
| 18:30.23 | AlphA_VsT | its for my ai |
| 18:30.26 | ________________ | same |
| 18:30.29 | ________________ | :) |
| 18:30.30 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 18:30.47 | AlphA_VsT | lol upgrade system for ai |
| 18:30.48 | ________________ | so far i have 3 separate spawning systems for my AI |
| 18:31.17 | ________________ | fuk 1130... gah |
| 18:31.22 | ________________ | time 2 grab food |
| 18:31.23 | ________________ | brb |
| 18:31.25 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 18:32.30 | ________________ | wait what's "tech tree behavior count" |
| 18:35.39 | AlphA_VsT | no idea :p |
| 18:35.43 | ________________ | lol mmk |
| 18:36.53 | AlphA_VsT | sorry :P |
| 18:37.01 | ________________ | its cool |
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| 18:44.22 | Currydevil | Alpha, questions for you. When you were working on your model textures, did you have trouble with them working when you put them back in your map? |
| 18:46.20 | ________________ | when a real is converted to an integer it just gets truncated right? it doesn't get rounded? |
| 18:46.31 | Currydevil | probably. |
| 18:46.36 | ________________ | D: |
| 18:46.41 | ________________ | no1 knows the real answer? |
| 18:46.43 | Currydevil | I would have to test it =P |
| 18:46.48 | ________________ | lol gah |
| 18:46.49 | Currydevil | just try it. debug message it |
| 18:46.52 | Currydevil | -.- |
| 18:46.55 | ________________ | lazy =\ |
| 18:47.08 | Currydevil | well, it's either you do it, or I do it =O |
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| 18:47.13 | ________________ | lol |
| 18:47.16 | ________________ | looks like its u :) |
| 18:47.16 | Currydevil | how is that lazy anyways? haha |
| 18:47.21 | Currydevil | =[ |
| 18:47.33 | ________________ | im on a roll |
| 18:47.36 | Currydevil | fine fine, i'll play your game. |
| 18:47.38 | ________________ | dont wanna lose my flow >.< |
| 18:47.40 | ________________ | woooo |
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| 18:48.39 | ________________ | mmk, i have both set up... so when u give the go for either truncated or rounded i can delete 1 |
| 18:48.53 | AlphA_VsT | so yeah |
| 18:49.02 | AlphA_VsT | not really no texturesd where fine |
| 18:49.10 | Currydevil | ok |
| 18:49.28 | AlphA_VsT | reals get rounded, how else would they be converted to integers |
| 18:49.44 | AlphA_VsT | a integer is 1 or 2 not 1.5 |
| 18:49.48 | AlphA_VsT | that would be a real |
| 18:49.49 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 18:49.50 | Dustin | ^ |
| 18:52.24 | AlphA_VsT | if you need to convert a real to a integer, you could make your own conversion and use like 12 for 1.2 |
| 18:52.47 | AlphA_VsT | but that's more of a hassle :P |
| 18:53.19 | Currydevil | since you answered his question, I have more. anyways. I found the .dds for the shapecube model, and I exported, changed the color on the mainsurface layer, and put it back in my map |
| 18:53.23 | Currydevil | but it's not working. |
| 18:53.28 | JademusSreg | I'd expected them to be floored. |
| 18:53.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster QueenG (cebc3c64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.188.60.100) |
| 18:53.49 | QueenG | hi |
| 18:54.02 | JademusSreg | With the fractional values truncated entirely, rather than rounded to the nearest whole number. |
| 18:54.19 | AlphA_VsT | Currydevil, the image is propbably in the cache |
| 18:54.29 | AlphA_VsT | close down the map |
| 18:54.38 | AlphA_VsT | and at worst the editor |
| 18:54.42 | Dustin | Id figure it'd be like 1.49 < = 1 and 1.50 < = 2 |
| 18:54.45 | Currydevil | I did that between last night and today. Still didn't do anything. |
| 18:54.54 | Dustin | But I suspect flooring would yield better results |
| 18:54.55 | ________________ | wait |
| 18:54.55 | QueenG | oh hey Dustin |
| 18:54.58 | ________________ | so its not truncated? |
| 18:55.03 | Dustin | No |
| 18:55.08 | AlphA_VsT | Currydevil, is it in Assets/Textures/ |
| 18:55.10 | ________________ | damn, i was hoping it was |
| 18:55.12 | ________________ | mmk ty |
| 18:55.12 | Currydevil | yes |
| 18:55.13 | Dustin | Let me try real fast |
| 18:55.24 | Currydevil | same place I put my terrain, and that works ;) but that was easier =P |
| 18:55.48 | ________________ | floored is what i meant actually jades |
| 18:55.51 | AlphA_VsT | I found that 1.49 ==1 |
| 18:55.53 | ________________ | i wasnt thinking straight |
| 18:55.59 | ________________ | but they say its rounded |
| 18:56.05 | ________________ | and what is 1.51 |
| 18:56.08 | ________________ | or 1.5 |
| 18:56.08 | AlphA_VsT | 2 |
| 18:56.11 | ________________ | mmk |
| 18:56.16 | ________________ | stupid blizzard |
| 18:56.17 | ________________ | w/e |
| 18:56.23 | ________________ | good thing i wrote both |
| 18:56.35 | ________________ | ty alpha |
| 18:56.50 | AlphA_VsT | im 90% sure on that :D |
| 18:56.55 | ________________ | wtf |
| 18:56.58 | ________________ | i thot u tested |
| 18:57.01 | ________________ | uselessssssss |
| 18:57.07 | ________________ | *goes to test* |
| 18:57.08 | AlphA_VsT | I did :P |
| 18:57.10 | ________________ | wtf |
| 18:57.15 | Dustin | im testing now to :P |
| 18:57.17 | ________________ | so ur 90% sure even tho u tested |
| 18:57.19 | ________________ | lol |
| 18:57.23 | AlphA_VsT | yes I forget things |
| 18:57.24 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 18:57.45 | Dustin | hmm |
| 18:57.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Skizot (~skizot@68.200.181.177) |
| 18:57.51 | Dustin | Looks like it doesnt floor |
| 18:57.59 | Dustin | it ceilings |
| 18:58.07 | Currydevil | I'm noticing a discrepency here, in the tuts I followed it said "Assets\Textures" and you're putting them " / " does the direction of the slash matter? =P |
| 18:58.15 | Dustin | 1.01 converts to 2 every time |
| 18:58.19 | ________________ | aaaahhh, so many different answers |
| 18:58.21 | ________________ | really? |
| 18:58.25 | ________________ | thats the worst solution of them all |
| 18:58.27 | ________________ | dumb blizzard |
| 18:58.28 | AlphA_VsT | lol no its \ :D |
| 18:58.33 | Dustin | Well |
| 18:58.36 | Currydevil | ok lol |
| 18:58.40 | Dustin | I asumet hat anything over exactly 1 |
| 18:58.42 | Dustin | is going to be 2 |
| 18:58.47 | Dustin | Makes sense |
| 18:59.05 | AlphA_VsT | hahaha, omg see i was wrong :( |
| 18:59.28 | Currydevil | Lol. |
| 18:59.28 | AlphA_VsT | maybe I rounded it frist :P |
| 18:59.36 | AlphA_VsT | im not sure |
| 18:59.53 | Dustin | Display_Message(1, (Text((Integer((Real((Entered chat string)))))))) |
| 19:01.06 | Currydevil | Is there a way I can manually apply the texture to the unit instead of just hoping the game will pick it up and use it after i imported? |
| 19:01.18 | Currydevil | Because it doesn't like what i've done obv |
| 19:01.44 | Skizot | my map done yet dustin? |
| 19:02.35 | AlphA_VsT | well |
| 19:03.13 | AlphA_VsT | ok so |
| 19:03.53 | AlphA_VsT | if you take a real and round it before you convert it... |
| 19:04.05 | AlphA_VsT | it works like it shoould :D |
| 19:04.07 | ________________ | just tested it |
| 19:04.11 | ________________ | it floors it |
| 19:04.43 | AlphA_VsT | well i did 1.1 and it came otu as 1 |
| 19:04.50 | AlphA_VsT | and i did 1.5 and it came out as 2 |
| 19:04.51 | AlphA_VsT | so |
| 19:04.56 | ________________ | im throwing in numbers btwn 1 and 2 right now |
| 19:05.01 | ________________ | all 1-1.999999 = 1 |
| 19:05.03 | ________________ | 2=2 |
| 19:05.04 | ________________ | etc. |
| 19:05.07 | ________________ | floors |
| 19:05.09 | AlphA_VsT | well |
| 19:05.17 | ________________ | this is what i wanted... awesome |
| 19:05.40 | ________________ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.43 | ________________ | is what i used dustin |
| 19:06.04 | ________________ | the extra stuff is just me using a qualifier cuz i have many chat commands already |
| 19:06.12 | Dustin | Hmm |
| 19:06.45 | Dustin | The String to Real I used must have been rounding the input |
| 19:07.05 | ________________ | maybes o.o |
| 19:07.10 | ________________ | i tried negative numbers 2 |
| 19:07.11 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/math.SC2Map |
| 19:07.18 | AlphA_VsT | idono what the issue is |
| 19:07.35 | ________________ | they get floored down to the next negative |
| 19:07.40 | ________________ | ie. -4.5 = -5 |
| 19:08.01 | ________________ | -4.1 = 5, etc. |
| 19:08.11 | ________________ | mmk finally i can test the real script lol |
| 19:08.12 | Dustin | Oh shit |
| 19:08.15 | Dustin | I know whats up |
| 19:08.23 | Dustin | I used - as a chat marker to get input |
| 19:08.24 | AlphA_VsT | test my math map |
| 19:08.31 | ________________ | lol, thats y |
| 19:08.32 | Dustin | so it was proabably throwing out negative reals |
| 19:08.32 | ________________ | :p |
| 19:08.34 | Dustin | and flooring them |
| 19:08.35 | AlphA_VsT | yes Dustin |
| 19:08.35 | Dustin | nice haha |
| 19:08.38 | ________________ | hehe |
| 19:08.39 | ________________ | ^_^ |
| 19:09.10 | ________________ | omg 12:08... i dont have time to test T.T |
| 19:10.05 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 19:12.08 | AlphA_VsT | why I was only 90% sure :P |
| 19:12.15 | ________________ | haha |
| 19:12.19 | AlphA_VsT | i used round before hand |
| 19:12.24 | AlphA_VsT | because the game is stupid |
| 19:12.25 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 19:13.18 | AlphA_VsT | 1.4 should be 1 fuckers :P |
| 19:13.25 | Currydevil | Ok, so i'll try closing my map 1 more time and see if the texture works.. |
| 19:13.51 | AlphA_VsT | you did you the same file name right? |
| 19:13.54 | AlphA_VsT | and type? |
| 19:14.09 | Currydevil | yes, took it out as XelNagaGlass.dds |
| 19:14.15 | Currydevil | and put it right back in as that |
| 19:15.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster Net_Creator (~quassel@66.185.79.254) |
| 19:17.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:17.21 | Currydevil | Still nothing. |
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| 19:19.31 | AlphA_VsT | what model is this |
| 19:19.42 | Currydevil | shapecube |
| 19:21.11 | AlphA_VsT | well i see nothing wrong |
| 19:22.43 | ________________ | lol so bad... im gonna be so late! but at least i got to test :) unit pool working nicely.... ahhh *runs 2 get ready* |
| 19:23.07 | Currydevil | Ah well ... stupid models. |
| 19:23.17 | Currydevil | the cubes are too bright as they are =( |
| 19:23.27 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:23.44 | AlphA_VsT | let me see... |
| 19:24.17 | Currydevil | I am trying to make them a solid dark color (gray or black) but have the edges alpha'd so the team color will shine through |
| 19:24.59 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:25.03 | AlphA_VsT | hold on |
| 19:26.40 | AlphA_VsT | you can have my test model :p |
| 19:26.49 | AlphA_VsT | if you want :p |
| 19:27.08 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Assets/Models/test.m3 |
| 19:27.10 | AlphA_VsT | its a box |
| 19:27.44 | AlphA_VsT | texture is just the side of the box for every side |
| 19:27.53 | AlphA_VsT | no idea the name of the texture :P |
| 19:28.52 | Currydevil | ok, let's hope it scales the same =P |
| 19:29.00 | AlphA_VsT | Point_diffuse.tga :P |
| 19:29.01 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:30.54 | AlphA_VsT | brb |
| 19:33.25 | Currydevil | slightly bigger hehe |
| 19:33.42 | Currydevil | sort of |
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| 19:36.52 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 19:36.58 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 19:37.38 | Bounty | I wonder how Ling Ling is doing on EU |
| 19:37.44 | Bounty | Because i know it aint doin shit on US |
| 19:37.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:40.12 | Currydevil | http://i.imgur.com/iOn43.png right on, thanks Alpha =D |
| 19:41.04 | Currydevil | afk for a bit |
| 19:58.53 | AlphA_VsT | wtf are you making anyways? |
| 19:59.31 | A1win | he's copying your idea, of course |
| 19:59.37 | A1win | just with inverse black/white |
| 19:59.59 | AlphA_VsT | :p |
| 20:00.24 | AlphA_VsT | that would be... |
| 20:01.04 | Kueken | don't worry, afterwards you can steal his idea again, and inverse it |
| 20:01.32 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:08.54 | Bounty | Nom Nom |
| 20:08.54 | AlphA_VsT | I think i got my sniper balanced lol |
| 20:09.24 | AlphA_VsT | sniper was kicking as in taking score :P |
| 20:10.06 | AlphA_VsT | ass even |
| 20:10.06 | Bounty | Well i didnt see this coming |
| 20:10.09 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 20:10.13 | Bounty | im getting a request to make a third option in ling ling |
| 20:10.18 | Bounty | for infinite rounds with no winner |
| 20:10.21 | AlphA_VsT | OMG! |
| 20:10.26 | AlphA_VsT | DO IT! |
| 20:10.28 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 20:10.33 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:10.35 | Bounty | Would kill the popularity |
| 20:10.39 | JademusSreg | Just make the game restart. |
| 20:10.52 | JademusSreg | Accomplished the same ends. |
| 20:10.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (~Raziel@78.97.99.188) |
| 20:11.21 | JademusSreg | They want to extend the gameplay. So instead of ending the game, reset it. |
| 20:13.16 | Bounty | I suppose i could just make an option to end the game or continue at the end |
| 20:13.19 | Bounty | for each player |
| 20:13.29 | JademusSreg | Or just restart it. |
| 20:13.42 | Bounty | thats silly |
| 20:13.51 | Bounty | some people like victory |
| 20:13.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:14.05 | JademusSreg | Those people play melee. |
| 20:14.07 | Bounty | I dont see why you would force an infinite loop |
| 20:14.09 | Kueken | you can track the victories ;) |
| 20:14.10 | A1win | then they can have many victories during the same game ;o |
| 20:14.25 | Bounty | Grr |
| 20:14.27 | Bounty | Here we go |
| 20:14.31 | Bounty | Bounty VS the IRC |
| 20:14.32 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:14.39 | Kueken | also how does ending the game help with popularity? |
| 20:14.39 | A1win | :P |
| 20:14.52 | Bounty | Because after an hour played, you dont register anymore time played |
| 20:15.11 | Bounty | Which is why sitting in your time and letting it run overnight does nothing |
| 20:15.17 | Bounty | in your game* |
| 20:15.22 | AlphA_VsT | Lol new idea snipe is only for armored units :D |
| 20:15.39 | AlphA_VsT | thats not true bounty |
| 20:15.59 | Bounty | You sure? |
| 20:16.04 | Bounty | I've done it before and all i got was an hour |
| 20:16.12 | AlphA_VsT | i did it a few days ago :P |
| 20:16.30 | AlphA_VsT | I actually ended teh game with a loss though 0.o |
| 20:16.48 | Bounty | does it continue to count time played after the game ends? |
| 20:16.50 | Bounty | like if u dont leave |
| 20:17.00 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 20:17.08 | AlphA_VsT | why would it |
| 20:17.17 | Bounty | bc u can just click return to game? |
| 20:17.19 | Bounty | and keep playing |
| 20:17.27 | AlphA_VsT | but the game is over... |
| 20:17.34 | Bounty | yeah but u have no left the game |
| 20:17.41 | Bounty | ur still in it |
| 20:17.44 | AlphA_VsT | so? |
| 20:17.46 | Bounty | have you tested this? |
| 20:17.49 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 20:17.50 | Bounty | or are you just fighting me |
| 20:17.52 | Bounty | ok then |
| 20:17.53 | Bounty | stalemate |
| 20:17.55 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:18.02 | AlphA_VsT | but i would would assume it wouldnt count |
| 20:18.08 | Bounty | well lets find out |
| 20:18.11 | AlphA_VsT | you told the server the game ended |
| 20:18.20 | Bounty | no |
| 20:18.24 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 20:18.54 | Bounty | testing it right now |
| 20:19.31 | JademusSreg | Banks to track stats, if people care about that. And if people care about the outcome shown in the profile's match history, simply have a bool or int var associated with each player, and set it to true if thatp layer wins, and when the player leaves the game with an undecided victory state, you check the var and set GameOver state accordingly. |
| 20:21.03 | AlphA_VsT | lol what jade |
| 20:21.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:21.10 | AlphA_VsT | Sometimes I think your a bot |
| 20:21.12 | Bounty | i got the first part |
| 20:21.14 | Bounty | but |
| 20:21.27 | AlphA_VsT | like seriously |
| 20:21.30 | Bounty | i dont understand the point of the second, just give them an option to leave in victory if they've won a game |
| 20:21.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:21.43 | Bounty | like if you've played 8 games |
| 20:21.46 | Bounty | and u won 1 |
| 20:21.48 | Bounty | u can leave in victory |
| 20:21.54 | Bounty | simple as that |
| 20:22.31 | Bounty | and as for stats |
| 20:22.36 | Bounty | i could just put them under the players score |
| 20:22.38 | Bounty | it would fit |
| 20:22.44 | JademusSreg | Players don't need options. They will always choose the wrong options. |
| 20:22.50 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 20:23.03 | AlphA_VsT | my map has no options for that reason :D |
| 20:23.15 | Bounty | That is just so wrong on so many levels |
| 20:23.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:23.21 | AlphA_VsT | all decided for you |
| 20:23.24 | AlphA_VsT | people are stupid |
| 20:23.33 | Bounty | We're people |
| 20:23.37 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:23.39 | AlphA_VsT | and stupid |
| 20:23.42 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:23.47 | AlphA_VsT | even jade |
| 20:23.50 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:23.56 | Bounty | I sense... this conversation will derail into a totally differant topic/arguement |
| 20:24.07 | Bounty | Its evolving |
| 20:24.13 | Bounty | and no |
| 20:24.18 | Bounty | There is nothing wrong with options |
| 20:24.28 | Bounty | Assuming the worst of players means you lose content |
| 20:24.29 | AlphA_VsT | idiocracy good movie about stupid |
| 20:24.39 | JademusSreg | *terrible movie |
| 20:24.41 | JademusSreg | Fixed. |
| 20:25.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol it's not a good movie really, just for being about stupid :P |
| 20:25.40 | JademusSreg | Given the quality of the film, it felt kind of meta. |
| 20:25.43 | Bounty | Well i mean can you even really define "smart"? |
| 20:26.03 | AlphA_VsT | sure you can :P |
| 20:26.16 | JademusSreg | Yes. You can define all sorts of things. Such as made up nonsense words. |
| 20:26.21 | Bounty | Like is the line between smart and dumb based on "common sense" or how much you know of certain things you're told you should know |
| 20:26.31 | AlphA_VsT | no such thing as common sense |
| 20:26.37 | Bounty | Hence the quotes |
| 20:26.41 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 20:26.54 | AlphA_VsT | if it was common everyone should have it |
| 20:26.55 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 20:27.11 | Kueken | you can define anything, but not everyone might agree with your definition ;) |
| 20:27.19 | AlphA_VsT | true |
| 20:27.35 | AlphA_VsT | Like they would of been smart to not make kazaam but they did anyways |
| 20:27.35 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 20:27.43 | Bounty | Seriously though, calling someone smart or dumb is just a form of narcissism. |
| 20:28.01 | Bounty | Its like if a pro basket ball player insults someone for not being good as basketball |
| 20:28.19 | Bounty | Like no shit, some people are not good at certain things >< |
| 20:28.32 | Xaragoth | using your brain is not the same as being shit at a sport |
| 20:28.33 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 20:28.40 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:28.41 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 20:28.43 | Bounty | um |
| 20:28.45 | Bounty | How isnt it? |
| 20:28.47 | Xaragoth | if you defy the power of logic, you are dumb |
| 20:28.53 | Kueken | well, in some way it is ;) |
| 20:28.55 | Bounty | The brain controls everything |
| 20:28.58 | Bounty | So how is it not using your brain |
| 20:29.14 | Xaragoth | because some people are fucking stupid |
| 20:29.16 | AlphA_VsT | using your brain to move your body isnt the same as playing chess |
| 20:29.28 | Bounty | Yeah but what defines stupid Xaragoth |
| 20:29.29 | Xaragoth | and some people just lack the education or talent to perform the task at hand |
| 20:29.32 | Xaragoth | big difference |
| 20:29.36 | Bounty | What is the line between Smart and Stupid |
| 20:29.48 | JademusSreg | This road leads to arguments concerning the ethical and legal ramifications of determinism and social welfare. |
| 20:29.53 | Bounty | There has to be a critical point that you become one and not the other |
| 20:30.04 | Xaragoth | ye |
| 20:30.04 | Bounty | wtf jade |
| 20:30.08 | Xaragoth | you use your nose to breath |
| 20:30.09 | AlphA_VsT | when you are unwilling to learn |
| 20:30.12 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 20:30.18 | Bounty | unwilling to learn what? |
| 20:30.26 | Bounty | What if you're willing to learn how to cook |
| 20:30.30 | Bounty | But not math |
| 20:30.33 | Bounty | Are you stupid? |
| 20:30.41 | Bounty | Because you chose one form knowledge over the other |
| 20:30.41 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 20:30.46 | Bounty | exactly my point |
| 20:30.48 | Bounty | Thats wrong |
| 20:30.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:30.49 | Xaragoth | actually, no. |
| 20:30.55 | Bounty | Knowledge is knowledge |
| 20:31.06 | Xaragoth | if you can't do basic math, you are pretty stupid, because it's usefull |
| 20:31.15 | Bounty | Yeah i know |
| 20:31.19 | Xaragoth | but nobody expects you to calculate the right weight and angle for a bridge |
| 20:31.19 | Bounty | I should have specified more |
| 20:31.24 | Bounty | I really meant like, advanced math |
| 20:31.31 | AlphA_VsT | you don't have to master something to be smart |
| 20:31.47 | Bounty | So if you're average in a few things you're smart? |
| 20:31.53 | Xaragoth | the power of logic, is one again, the line between a stupid dipshit and a smart person |
| 20:31.58 | Xaragoth | *once |
| 20:32.24 | AlphA_VsT | of course you are, becasue you have a basic understand of how things work |
| 20:32.27 | Bounty | I think i've seen the Matrix to many times |
| 20:32.38 | Bounty | I seem to have to thing that i turn everything into the spoon |
| 20:32.42 | Xaragoth | it's not down to what you can do and can not do, it's down to: can you actually understand it, when you look it up? |
| 20:32.48 | Bounty | "What is Real?" lol |
| 20:32.51 | AlphA_VsT | go ask a baby to make toast |
| 20:33.00 | AlphA_VsT | a baby is stupid |
| 20:33.08 | AlphA_VsT | but willing to learn |
| 20:33.09 | Bounty | Yeah but what picks the category Xara |
| 20:33.10 | Xaragoth | uneducated is the word |
| 20:33.12 | Bounty | thats what im saying |
| 20:33.14 | AlphA_VsT | so it is smart |
| 20:33.21 | Xaragoth | Bounty: Nothing |
| 20:33.35 | Bounty | Like how can someone say what knowledge you must know and understand to be considered smart |
| 20:33.36 | Xaragoth | It comes down to you being able to grasp the concepts, even if you can't practically use them |
| 20:33.56 | AlphA_VsT | exactly |
| 20:34.01 | Bounty | So |
| 20:34.05 | Bounty | to be smart is to fuction? |
| 20:34.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:34.08 | Xaragoth | no matter what it's about |
| 20:34.22 | Xaragoth | someone can explain to me in science words how the fucking hell magnets work |
| 20:34.24 | Bounty | but what concepts? |
| 20:34.47 | Bounty | like what if you understand 99% of the concepts explained to you except for 1% and that 1% is science |
| 20:34.49 | Xaragoth | but that doesn't mean I could build a damn super magnet |
| 20:35.04 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:35.12 | AlphA_VsT | bounty you are over thinking it :P |
| 20:35.16 | Bounty | I know |
| 20:35.18 | Bounty | Thats what i do |
| 20:35.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:35.22 | Xaragoth | he is thinking in the wrong direction |
| 20:35.23 | Bounty | cmon now =P |
| 20:35.25 | Xaragoth | which means |
| 20:35.27 | Xaragoth | Bounty is stupid |
| 20:35.28 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 20:35.32 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 20:35.32 | Bounty | BURN |
| 20:35.43 | Xaragoth | also |
| 20:35.48 | Xaragoth | cleaned my pc desk today |
| 20:35.52 | Xaragoth | the wonders I beheld |
| 20:35.54 | AlphA_VsT | amazing |
| 20:35.58 | Xaragoth | among them a 30 euro amazon gift card |
| 20:35.59 | AlphA_VsT | cheese? |
| 20:36.03 | Xaragoth | instant buy of arkham city |
| 20:36.04 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 20:36.11 | AlphA_VsT | ewwww |
| 20:36.13 | AlphA_VsT | wasted |
| 20:36.17 | Xaragoth | wanted to get it last year, forgot my christmas gift card somewhere on this desk |
| 20:36.19 | Xaragoth | not really |
| 20:36.30 | Bounty | Well, i shall be right back gentlemen... my soul must be ran under cold water after such a massive burn. |
| 20:36.38 | Xaragoth | I liked Arkham Asylum ... mostly because of the joker |
| 20:36.43 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:36.47 | AlphA_VsT | never really played it |
| 20:36.57 | Xaragoth | for a superhero game, it's excellent |
| 20:37.03 | Xaragoth | bit weak on some gameplay stuff |
| 20:37.14 | Xaragoth | but the luke skywalker joker was made of win |
| 20:37.45 | Kueken | I heard about it and tried it, because the fighting system was praised |
| 20:37.46 | Xaragoth | Mark Hamill is the current voice of the Joker, for those who don't understand that sentence :p |
| 20:37.54 | Kueken | was a bit disappointed tbh |
| 20:38.01 | Xaragoth | well |
| 20:38.05 | Xaragoth | when you get at the system |
| 20:38.07 | Xaragoth | and analyse it |
| 20:38.09 | Xaragoth | you know why |
| 20:38.21 | Xaragoth | because it's fucking turn-based-combat-speed-up-mode |
| 20:38.29 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:38.32 | Kueken | yes, thats how it felt |
| 20:38.34 | AlphA_VsT | what |
| 20:38.41 | Kueken | you didnt feel powerful, you didnt feel fast |
| 20:38.42 | Xaragoth | doesn't mean it's not fun to hang down from a gargoyle and grab a bad guy behind his friend batman style :D |
| 20:38.49 | Xaragoth | well |
| 20:38.50 | AlphA_VsT | real time turn based fighting? |
| 20:38.51 | Xaragoth | batman isn't fast |
| 20:38.54 | Xaragoth | batman is money |
| 20:38.55 | Kueken | at least I didnt |
| 20:39.21 | Xaragoth | because he is batman |
| 20:39.31 | AlphA_VsT | oh oh oh |
| 20:39.31 | Xaragoth | and you are not |
| 20:39.32 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 20:39.33 | AlphA_VsT | this is... |
| 20:39.41 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcAXxUnlMN0&feature=player_embedded <--- stupid people |
| 20:39.42 | Kueken | I liked the feeling of games like devil may cry or darksiders way more |
| 20:39.42 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 20:39.44 | flyingspatula | http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/9/22/be32ca99-f97a-4f7f-889d-6737a75ba25a.jpg |
| 20:39.50 | Bounty | back |
| 20:39.55 | Xaragoth | ye |
| 20:39.59 | Xaragoth | darksiders was better |
| 20:40.00 | AlphA_VsT | i loved devil may cry |
| 20:40.07 | Xaragoth | DMC died when Dante was replaced for me |
| 20:40.08 | AlphA_VsT | and never played the other ones |
| 20:40.19 | AlphA_VsT | jsut the first |
| 20:40.28 | flyingspatula | Bounty, im determined to figure out how u gave doodads cliff properties |
| 20:40.35 | Currydevil | I don't know what i'm making yet Alpha =P just having fun atm |
| 20:40.41 | Bounty | what? |
| 20:40.47 | Bounty | when did i give doodads cliff properties? |
| 20:40.53 | flyingspatula | for jumping over |
| 20:41.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol Currydevil :D |
| 20:41.21 | AlphA_VsT | you just like my map so much huh? :D |
| 20:41.21 | Bounty | pretty sure i just made it so they were not blocking ur path |
| 20:41.24 | Bounty | not cliff |
| 20:41.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:41.32 | Currydevil | Marines are taller than the wall now though hahaha, must fix that |
| 20:41.48 | flyingspatula | oh meh |
| 20:42.00 | Currydevil | well, I haven't really played yours yet. But the terrain sparked my imagination. |
| 20:42.01 | AlphA_VsT | looks like the heigh of the cube is off :P |
| 20:42.06 | flyingspatula | but u mentioned using collosus |
| 20:42.09 | flyingspatula | for cliff walking |
| 20:42.17 | flyingspatula | oh that was just to jump up cliffs nvm |
| 20:42.58 | flyingspatula | speaking of cliffs did u ever have problem when you are near a cliff ur camera flickers and shoots backwards really quick then back to normal? some kind of anomoly from removing the smoothing it normally does |
| 20:43.09 | Currydevil | I left the Z scale at 1 on the other cube so you could properly see down the back side of the wall so it didn't hide your unit. |
| 20:43.52 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:44.26 | AlphA_VsT | my sniper unit needs a new skill :D |
| 20:44.33 | AlphA_VsT | what should it be? |
| 20:44.41 | AlphA_VsT | cloak is to obvious :P |
| 20:45.30 | Kueken | snipe, emp and nuke |
| 20:45.49 | Kueken | all combined in one skill! |
| 20:46.06 | AlphA_VsT | um no :P |
| 20:46.14 | RipperRooX | cya mapster peeps |
| 20:46.30 | Bounty | hey Alpha_vst |
| 20:46.34 | AlphA_VsT | yeah? |
| 20:46.36 | Bounty | check if ling ling rocket populartiy went up >< |
| 20:46.38 | Bounty | im still in game |
| 20:46.46 | Bounty | and it ended in defeat like an hour ago |
| 20:46.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:46.50 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:46.55 | AlphA_VsT | idono what it was at |
| 20:47.00 | Bounty | 2 hours |
| 20:47.26 | AlphA_VsT | 2 hours hmmm |
| 20:48.20 | AlphA_VsT | well 2-3 hours is a 60 min time frame haha |
| 20:48.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster Scorp_ (5e91107b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.145.16.123) |
| 20:49.43 | AlphA_VsT | well its at 3 hours but it could of been at 2 horus and 55 min for all I know |
| 20:49.52 | AlphA_VsT | and be at 3 hours... |
| 20:50.14 | Bounty | ok well check back later then i guess >< |
| 20:50.57 | AlphA_VsT | and people could have played it :P |
| 20:51.18 | AlphA_VsT | you need to make a really shitty test map that know one knows about :P |
| 20:56.03 | Kueken | heh |
| 20:56.19 | Kueken | dont be so sure, it might be on page 1 within an hour |
| 20:56.33 | AlphA_VsT | god I know right |
| 20:56.34 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 20:59.32 | flyingspatula | how large can a map be |
| 20:59.33 | flyingspatula | mb |
| 20:59.35 | flyingspatula | 5? |
| 20:59.40 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:59.43 | AlphA_VsT | 20mb |
| 20:59.55 | AlphA_VsT | +?mods |
| 20:59.58 | flyingspatula | oh lol |
| 21:00.02 | flyingspatula | so 5mb is fine for bnet? |
| 21:00.03 | AlphA_VsT | 100 mb max |
| 21:00.04 | flyingspatula | like |
| 21:00.06 | flyingspatula | wouldnt take forever to dl |
| 21:00.15 | AlphA_VsT | well per account |
| 21:00.20 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 21:00.26 | flyingspatula | well ive been compresisng sounds and shortening music |
| 21:00.26 | AlphA_VsT | you could make a map that is 1 gb |
| 21:00.30 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:00.43 | AlphA_VsT | but that would take a lot of mod files and a lot of accounts |
| 21:00.51 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:02.57 | flyingspatula | ill try keeping i tunder 5mb |
| 21:03.04 | flyingspatula | dont really have any ciustom models or anything anyway |
| 21:03.10 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:03.12 | flyingspatula | altho i could |
| 21:03.14 | AlphA_VsT | shouldnt be hard 0.o |
| 21:04.18 | AlphA_VsT | my actualyl map is only 511 kb :D |
| 21:04.23 | AlphA_VsT | actual |
| 21:04.45 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:04.47 | AlphA_VsT | but + mod its 17mb |
| 21:04.47 | flyingspatula | nice |
| 21:05.22 | AlphA_VsT | it wouldn't fit the old value of 10mb :P |
| 21:05.33 | AlphA_VsT | mostly why i stopped working on it |
| 21:07.39 | QueenG | im playing Element TD atm, i see like 14 textures, how did the mapper do that? |
| 21:07.52 | JademusSreg | Well, that's an odd result. |
| 21:08.35 | JademusSreg | The global memory stack limit is 518924 4-byte values, or 2.07 MB. |
| 21:08.46 | QueenG | hmm exxageration, theres 8 different terrains for each of the players |
| 21:09.49 | JademusSreg | What's odd is that it isn't a power of 2, it just seems sort of arbitrary. |
| 21:14.22 | AlphA_VsT | I need an air strike like ability lol |
| 21:14.57 | AlphA_VsT | You can overlay textures QueenG |
| 21:15.07 | AlphA_VsT | to crete diffrent kinds of effects |
| 21:18.28 | QueenG | oh okay thanks Alpha |
| 21:21.16 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:24.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-046-005-137-174.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 21:28.20 | AlphA_VsT | fuck yeah |
| 21:28.31 | AlphA_VsT | somone already made one :P |
| 21:28.37 | AlphA_VsT | do some modding on this bitch |
| 21:32.37 | Bounty | Has Ling Lings populartiy gone above 3 hours Alpha_vst |
| 21:32.38 | Bounty | :) |
| 21:32.41 | Bounty | still in the same game |
| 21:32.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:38.22 | QueenG | nice, its also featured on sc2mapster... oh wait ur posted it ;P |
| 21:40.13 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:40.15 | AlphA_VsT | um |
| 21:40.18 | Ahli | sixen made the news post. bounty didn't do more than creating a thread and telling people about his map, I guess... |
| 21:40.20 | AlphA_VsT | let me check |
| 21:40.55 | Bounty | If i could make my own news posts the site would become sc2bounty |
| 21:41.00 | AlphA_VsT | all bounty did was complain it didnt get posted sooner |
| 21:41.01 | Ahli | :D |
| 21:41.06 | Bounty | No |
| 21:41.16 | AlphA_VsT | yes bounty :D |
| 21:41.21 | Bounty | I complained that the map before it had 72 hours of front page top news |
| 21:41.24 | Ahli | the old news remained there a few days longer than usual. so np :)# |
| 21:41.25 | Bounty | which is bullshit |
| 21:41.32 | Bounty | yeah, thats all i said |
| 21:41.34 | flyingspatula | hey bounty how large is ur trifaction map? mb size |
| 21:41.39 | Bounty | 40mb |
| 21:41.42 | Bounty | give or take |
| 21:41.42 | flyingspatula | wow |
| 21:41.44 | QueenG | it should be sc2bounty |
| 21:41.45 | AlphA_VsT | why does mb size matter? |
| 21:41.45 | flyingspatula | ok lol |
| 21:41.56 | Bounty | you say that like its surprising |
| 21:42.02 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:42.10 | AlphA_VsT | hes tryingt o stay under 5mb 0.o |
| 21:42.14 | AlphA_VsT | for some reason |
| 21:42.16 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMVG2b0khY |
| 21:42.21 | Bounty | LOOK AT ALL DEM ASSETS |
| 21:42.24 | flyingspatula | no its just when i dled ur map on bnet it was instant |
| 21:42.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster tordy (ad44a446@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.68.164.70) |
| 21:42.25 | Bounty | im lucky i stayed under 40 |
| 21:42.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:42.31 | tordy | wasssssup |
| 21:42.48 | AlphA_VsT | im at 20mb and im not close to done with custom assets |
| 21:42.52 | AlphA_VsT | I have not even started really |
| 21:43.09 | flyingspatula | i played it with and old wc3 mapper buddy showing him why i should actually make my prophunt... i noticed tho |
| 21:43.11 | tordy | alpha arent you doing that paper map |
| 21:43.17 | flyingspatula | cliffs totally rape camera :( |
| 21:43.28 | Bounty | there is a way to fix that :) |
| 21:43.30 | tordy | cant you make the assets small somewhat |
| 21:43.35 | AlphA_VsT | yes tordy |
| 21:43.39 | flyingspatula | i fixed the elevation part |
| 21:43.47 | flyingspatula | just when ur at certain angles near a cliff, the camera glitches sometimes |
| 21:43.52 | Bounty | how so |
| 21:43.54 | Bounty | it raises? |
| 21:43.56 | QueenG | looks better than Starcraft universe, gj bounty |
| 21:44.06 | flyingspatula | nah ur cam distance |
| 21:44.06 | tordy | did starcraft universe die |
| 21:44.06 | Bounty | lol i wouldnt go that far QueenG |
| 21:44.08 | flyingspatula | bugs out |
| 21:44.17 | JademusSreg | So here are some fun facts I've found in the course of testing: while the script bytecode limit has been known for a while to be 2 mebibytes, the global variable memory limit is 518924 (4-byte) variables which amounts to ~1.979 mebibytes, and the script file size limit is (2^19)*10 == 5242880 bytes. |
| 21:44.17 | Ahli | mine is at 29mb only :). |
| 21:44.19 | QueenG | brb |
| 21:44.22 | *** part/#sc2mapster QueenG (cebc3c64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.188.60.100) |
| 21:44.22 | Bounty | zoom the camera in as far as possible spatula |
| 21:44.30 | Bounty | while still keeping it third person |
| 21:44.37 | Bounty | best way to avoid that |
| 21:44.42 | flyingspatula | i have it at 3 right now |
| 21:44.52 | flyingspatula | i figured there was no way around it |
| 21:44.58 | flyingspatula | but ill try zooming in more maybe |
| 21:45.01 | Bounty | this map had ZERO issues with camera going through objects/cliffs |
| 21:45.04 | flyingspatula | i acutally finished my camera colision |
| 21:45.06 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KzABG26PE&feature=related |
| 21:45.12 | JademusSreg | (or 5 mebibytes) |
| 21:45.21 | JademusSreg | And SCU is not dead. |
| 21:45.38 | Ahli | bounty's map is 3D, so he needs to maintain a good quality on the textures. if you are only watching the map from not very close distance, you can reduce the texture size |
| 21:45.53 | flyingspatula | lol i remember that map bounty, i joined the egypth chatroom once but no one was tehre. it still pops up everty time i login lol |
| 21:46.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:46.38 | Bounty | well in the first battlefield egypt i had it very close |
| 21:46.41 | Bounty | so no issues with camera |
| 21:46.45 | Bounty | in the second iz oomed it out abit |
| 21:46.50 | Bounty | and u could have some issues |
| 21:46.53 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:47.00 | JademusSreg | So everyone memorize those numbers, so there won't be any questions about it in the future. =D |
| 21:47.05 | flyingspatula | its weird because u dont even have to be behind or in front of it |
| 21:47.08 | flyingspatula | it just randomly wacks out on un |
| 21:47.19 | Bounty | well ive never had that happen to me flyingspatula |
| 21:47.23 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 21:47.30 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 21:47.45 | Ahli | where is the data table memory belonging to, jade? |
| 21:47.54 | Ahli | global memory? |
| 21:48.02 | flyingspatula | and for some reason if u move ur cam straight in the air and look underneath the ground too long it rapes ur framerate when u look back normally |
| 21:48.04 | flyingspatula | so random |
| 21:48.15 | JademusSreg | That's a good question. I don't think it is part of the global memory stack. |
| 21:48.17 | Bounty | once again |
| 21:48.20 | Bounty | ive never had these issues |
| 21:48.24 | Bounty | that you're describing |
| 21:48.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:48.29 | JademusSreg | But I've not tested it. |
| 21:48.33 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:48.45 | Ahli | because I think I've heard that it has a reachable limit, too. |
| 21:48.58 | JademusSreg | To my knowledge, there's no hard limit on the data table, but I've not stress tested it. |
| 21:49.09 | Bounty | but it might be because i am the current king of third person/3D maps flyingspatula |
| 21:49.12 | Bounty | Not that im bragging |
| 21:49.15 | Bounty | bc honestly |
| 21:49.18 | Bounty | there is no competition |
| 21:49.21 | Bounty | so its not a hard title to get |
| 21:49.25 | Bounty | >< |
| 21:49.28 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 21:49.38 | JademusSreg | "I am king of the toilet!" |
| 21:49.49 | Bounty | im sure once SCU comes out everything i've done will be looked upon as crap |
| 21:49.54 | Ahli | at least I know that I can store 9 dungeon levels within it. In the end I need it to store like 16 |
| 21:49.58 | Bounty | Not that it doesnt get looked at like that now |
| 21:50.03 | Bounty | But it will be more like crap |
| 21:50.17 | tordy | so... JademusSreg |
| 21:50.35 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:50.35 | Bounty | btw JademusSreg |
| 21:50.38 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:50.39 | Bounty | i am loving that thread on bnet |
| 21:50.42 | Bounty | about elite mappers |
| 21:50.48 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:50.51 | tordy | LOL |
| 21:50.56 | Bounty | everytime i go to it i press ctrl-f |
| 21:50.58 | Bounty | and search for my name |
| 21:51.00 | Bounty | and i fap |
| 21:51.03 | Ahli | checks the thread for new posts |
| 21:51.03 | JademusSreg | I made a facetious response and they took it seriously. |
| 21:51.15 | Bounty | i havent read the thread |
| 21:51.19 | Bounty | just the parts that my name is mentioned |
| 21:51.19 | tordy | mention bounty anywhere and he'll fap |
| 21:51.24 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:51.24 | Bounty | its true |
| 21:51.26 | flyingspatula | try making a fps in wc3 bounty, that was 100x harder than sc2 |
| 21:51.28 | AlphA_VsT | BOUNTY! |
| 21:51.30 | flyingspatula | took me a long time |
| 21:51.36 | tordy | so JademusSreg |
| 21:51.38 | Bounty | nothing makes me go limp faster than searching my name on mapster though |
| 21:51.39 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:51.48 | Bounty | bc it only returns my posts |
| 21:51.49 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 21:51.53 | AlphA_VsT | LOL |
| 21:52.03 | Bounty | do it |
| 21:52.05 | Bounty | im tellin u |
| 21:52.11 | Bounty | i have never been mentioned EVER |
| 21:52.14 | Bounty | except for when i post |
| 21:52.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:52.23 | tordy | so if either bytecode or the global var reaches ~2MiB, map doesnt work? |
| 21:52.34 | tordy | or is it both combined in some way? |
| 21:52.36 | tordy | is there another limit |
| 21:52.48 | tordy | what's the limit |
| 21:52.55 | tordy | for both bytecode and globals |
| 21:52.56 | JademusSreg | Yes, they have separate memory stacks, and hitting the limit on either will cause a load failure. |
| 21:53.15 | AlphA_VsT | im now getting aroudn to checking bounty |
| 21:53.16 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:53.21 | Bounty | np |
| 21:53.36 | JademusSreg | The bytecode limit is exactly 2MiB and the variable limit is just short of 2MiB |
| 21:53.45 | tordy | JademusSreg; but if both total more than 2MiB, it's ok? |
| 21:53.47 | JademusSreg | (for some yet known reason) |
| 21:53.58 | tordy | assuming they didnt reach their respective limit |
| 21:54.24 | flyingspatula | hmm even at 2 distance it spazzes out bad next to the edge of a cliff... and u dont have that problem. so weird |
| 21:54.29 | JademusSreg | If either one exceeds their respective limits, the VM shits its pants. As long as both are below their limits, it's fine. |
| 21:54.38 | tordy | script file size usually translates to lower bytecode size right? |
| 21:54.39 | AlphA_VsT | ok bounty you seem to look correct, your map is at 4 hours :P |
| 21:54.45 | Bounty | hahaha |
| 21:54.47 | Bounty | nice |
| 21:54.53 | JademusSreg | They loosely correlate. |
| 21:54.54 | Bounty | this never leaves the IRC |
| 21:54.59 | Bounty | or else blizz will patch it |
| 21:55.00 | Bounty | >< |
| 21:55.10 | tordy | can bytecode ever be bigger than script file size? |
| 21:55.29 | JademusSreg | That is I can hit the script file size limit and never get close to the bytecode or variable limits. |
| 21:55.36 | tordy | maybe blizz's really terrible compiler or something |
| 21:55.45 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:56.19 | AlphA_VsT | I'm working on an air strike for ghosts :D yay |
| 21:56.28 | Bounty | original |
| 21:56.29 | JademusSreg | Since each character in the file is 1 byte, enough text or whitespace or comments can cause a script file to go over the size limit. |
| 21:56.42 | JademusSreg | But you would have to -try- to hit that limit, it is so unlikely. |
| 21:56.43 | Bounty | You know what would be original and unique alpha? |
| 21:56.48 | tordy | you think Mafia can have global variables over the limit? |
| 21:56.50 | Bounty | I'm giving you this for free btw |
| 21:56.51 | tordy | doesnt seem like it |
| 21:56.55 | Bounty | Do you accept? |
| 21:57.06 | tordy | Mafia seems more script heavy if anything |
| 21:57.16 | Bounty | It will launch your map to the top of the popularity list if yo udo it |
| 21:57.19 | JademusSreg | I can't say, I've never seen Mafia's code. And DR is a competent procedural programmer. |
| 21:57.24 | tordy | which is what confuses me |
| 21:57.30 | tordy | because DR says he's hitting the limit |
| 21:57.33 | AlphA_VsT | what bounty? |
| 21:57.39 | tordy | but his mapscript is not even 1MB |
| 21:57.48 | Bounty | There is no reason Mafia should hit the script limit |
| 21:57.49 | JademusSreg | Again, loosely correlates. |
| 21:57.50 | Bounty | end of story |
| 21:57.55 | Bounty | neways |
| 21:57.56 | Bounty | Alpha |
| 21:57.57 | AlphA_VsT | end of story yes |
| 21:57.59 | Bounty | ok heres what u do |
| 21:57.59 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:58.04 | Bounty | instead of an airstrike |
| 21:58.07 | Bounty | make the ability |
| 21:58.08 | Ahli | I don't think he hits it because of variables... you can work around that with custom values in units afaIk. |
| 21:58.09 | JademusSreg | I can exceed 5MiB with enough comments and other nonsense. |
| 21:58.17 | AlphA_VsT | mafia is such fail I would love to see the triggers for it |
| 21:58.23 | tordy | but if the mapscript is optimized for reduced file size, it should be very close right? |
| 21:58.26 | Bounty | have a paper airplane fly by and drop pieces of paper in the shape of bombs/missiles |
| 21:58.29 | JademusSreg | (Fun fact: Windows says MB where it actually means MiB.) |
| 21:58.32 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:58.36 | tordy | as in no whitespace, no comments, short variable/function names |
| 21:58.42 | Ahli | Man in Black |
| 21:58.46 | Bounty | that can be your air strike |
| 21:58.47 | Ahli | *Men |
| 21:58.58 | JademusSreg | Clarify your question tordy? |
| 21:59.07 | AlphA_VsT | of course bounty... but I need the custom assets for that |
| 21:59.11 | tordy | DR obfuscated his mapscript |
| 21:59.26 | Bounty | i know |
| 21:59.28 | Bounty | im just sayin |
| 21:59.29 | Ahli | he shortened names with it to use less chars |
| 21:59.33 | AlphA_VsT | Most of the units in my game - the point is place holder :P |
| 21:59.34 | Bounty | dont be lame and not make everything paper like |
| 21:59.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:59.48 | tordy | by removing all whitespace and comments and shorted names |
| 21:59.49 | Bounty | u either make everything in paper form |
| 21:59.52 | tordy | etc |
| 21:59.53 | Bounty | or u just make nothing paper form |
| 21:59.55 | Bounty | >< |
| 21:59.58 | Ahli | and deleting linebreaks |
| 22:00.07 | AlphA_VsT | well point and the walls but walls are going to get redone and expanded on |
| 22:00.09 | tordy | so it should be pretty close to the size of the bytecode right? |
| 22:00.22 | Bounty | I know what might be the reason why DR hit the limit with Mafia |
| 22:00.32 | AlphA_VsT | why? |
| 22:00.38 | Bounty | bc he prolly did something stupid like write a physics engine for the fucking game |
| 22:00.40 | Ahli | native functions could potentially create a lot of bytecode, can't they? |
| 22:00.51 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.57 | AlphA_VsT | I can assure you my fucking game takes more variables and data than his |
| 22:00.58 | Bounty | i bet that he way over complicated that |
| 22:01.03 | tordy | is there a data limit btw? |
| 22:01.21 | JademusSreg | Reducing the script file size will have benefits during loading, and will help avoid the script file size limit. |
| 22:01.31 | JademusSreg | But it has no effect on the compiled bytecode. |
| 22:01.38 | tordy | yea i know |
| 22:01.45 | Bounty | You guys ever think |
| 22:01.47 | tordy | that's not what im asking |
| 22:01.48 | Bounty | maybe |
| 22:01.49 | tordy | tho |
| 22:01.50 | Bounty | just maybe |
| 22:01.51 | AlphA_VsT | I know he over complicated shit |
| 22:01.57 | Ahli | good question... how is Blizzard potentially storing the data info? I would assume that they won't keep it in xml files during map's runtime... |
| 22:01.57 | Bounty | he hit the limit bc he thinks like a programmer to much? |
| 22:02.09 | tordy | im asking if an optimized script size is close to the bytecode size |
| 22:02.16 | JademusSreg | Oh, no. |
| 22:02.23 | Bounty | I think thats his problem >< |
| 22:02.32 | AlphA_VsT | I want to see to his code |
| 22:02.33 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 22:02.36 | Bounty | i dont |
| 22:02.40 | AlphA_VsT | and laugh at him |
| 22:02.41 | Bounty | ive seen his code for battle mages |
| 22:02.47 | Bounty | its like looking at the fucking matrix |
| 22:02.50 | AlphA_VsT | have you? |
| 22:02.54 | tordy | someone get DR in here |
| 22:02.59 | tordy | i must know why he's hitting the limit! |
| 22:03.02 | tordy | it's been bothering me |
| 22:03.06 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:03.07 | tordy | im losing sleep over it! |
| 22:03.11 | AlphA_VsT | hes a fucking tard |
| 22:03.15 | AlphA_VsT | hes stupid :D |
| 22:03.19 | Bounty | i just told you why he hit the fucking limit |
| 22:03.22 | JademusSreg | I'm still working out how to determine script bytecode from script content, but haven't determined how it might be done yet. |
| 22:03.22 | Bounty | u ever see the matrix? |
| 22:03.23 | Ahli | try to copy the map, check out how much code u need ;D |
| 22:03.33 | Bounty | listen i can explain it |
| 22:03.37 | Bounty | in a way everyone can understand |
| 22:03.44 | AlphA_VsT | I played mafia once lololol |
| 22:03.57 | Bounty | in the matrix movie u remember how the machines could not create the matrix without it failing miserably bc they were to intelligent? |
| 22:03.59 | AlphA_VsT | its people standing around |
| 22:04.01 | AlphA_VsT | doing nothing |
| 22:04.05 | Bounty | following me? |
| 22:04.08 | Bounty | thats DR |
| 22:04.21 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:04.24 | Bounty | Mafia requires a simpler mind |
| 22:04.29 | Bounty | like the matrix |
| 22:04.37 | Bounty | and DR is the machine |
| 22:04.49 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 22:04.49 | tordy | i dont play Mafia either, im just wondering how DR is hitting the limit |
| 22:04.55 | Bounty | i just fuckign told you |
| 22:04.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:05.04 | Bounty | ill bet everything i have on it |
| 22:05.07 | AlphA_VsT | I bet he also recreates all his dialogs :D |
| 22:05.07 | Bounty | tahts the reason |
| 22:05.20 | tordy | alright guys totally unrelated subject |
| 22:05.25 | tordy | what do y'all think of avogatro ? |
| 22:05.27 | Ahli | I'm recreating the dialogs to save variables, np with that |
| 22:05.29 | tordy | personally i think he's the man |
| 22:05.32 | tordy | that's all there is to it |
| 22:05.35 | AlphA_VsT | avogatro? |
| 22:05.45 | Bounty | Why is he the man tordy? |
| 22:05.49 | Bounty | curious |
| 22:05.53 | AlphA_VsT | who is he |
| 22:05.55 | tordy | cuz he just is, dont need to explain shit |
| 22:05.56 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:06.03 | Bounty | because u have no reason to think hes the man |
| 22:06.07 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:06.10 | AlphA_VsT | who is this man |
| 22:06.14 | Bounty | DR |
| 22:06.18 | JademusSreg | DR is a competent procedural programming; I have no doubts as to his ability to write procedural systems efficiently within the limits of the GUI. |
| 22:06.28 | JademusSreg | *programmer |
| 22:06.44 | tordy | still want him in here to confirm |
| 22:06.47 | AlphA_VsT | then why did he hit the limit on such a simple game |
| 22:06.48 | tordy | and explain how |
| 22:06.52 | Bounty | i think thats everyones problem though |
| 22:06.53 | tordy | he's hittin the limit himself |
| 22:06.59 | Bounty | you guys want to fucking custo mscript EVERYTHING |
| 22:07.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:07.15 | tordy | i dont code directly, i just use triggers |
| 22:07.17 | Bounty | i mean im sure its useful for some things |
| 22:07.18 | tordy | so much easier too lazy |
| 22:07.20 | AlphA_VsT | same |
| 22:07.22 | Bounty | yeah and i bet you've never hit the limit |
| 22:07.25 | Bounty | coincidence/ |
| 22:07.27 | Bounty | i think not |
| 22:07.31 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:07.38 | AlphA_VsT | good point bounty :D |
| 22:07.43 | Bounty | i am the biggest trigger whore in history |
| 22:07.47 | Bounty | and ive never hit the limit |
| 22:07.54 | tordy | like what advantages does scripting directly have over triggers again? |
| 22:07.55 | AlphA_VsT | I bet you are |
| 22:07.58 | Bounty | by biggest trigger whore |
| 22:08.01 | tordy | i know there wre actuall a few legit reasons |
| 22:08.09 | AlphA_VsT | a few tordy :P |
| 22:08.09 | tordy | but not big enough to actually make me budge |
| 22:08.12 | Bounty | i mean i would suck a triggers wang for a diet coke |
| 22:08.13 | AlphA_VsT | same |
| 22:08.15 | tordy | i know what were they again |
| 22:08.15 | Bounty | thats how much of a whore i am |
| 22:08.23 | AlphA_VsT | gui is cleaner looking to me |
| 22:08.30 | AlphA_VsT | and easier to sort through |
| 22:08.40 | tordy | no there were like some things you can do in script that cannot be done in triggers/gui |
| 22:08.46 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:08.48 | Bounty | thats why i said before |
| 22:08.49 | AlphA_VsT | I know |
| 22:08.50 | Bounty | im sure its useful |
| 22:08.53 | Bounty | for SOME things |
| 22:08.55 | Bounty | but not everything |
| 22:09.01 | tordy | like |
| 22:09.06 | tordy | JademusSreg answer this one |
| 22:09.08 | tordy | we neeeeeeeed u |
| 22:09.13 | Bounty | why are you going to ask him |
| 22:09.20 | Bounty | hes going to take 10 minutes to answer first of all |
| 22:09.22 | AlphA_VsT | lol he wont even look at gui |
| 22:09.23 | tordy | i know i should just ask you |
| 22:09.32 | Bounty | and when he answers |
| 22:09.33 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 22:09.36 | Bounty | it will be 15 sentences |
| 22:09.41 | Bounty | and you wont understand any of them |
| 22:09.48 | Bounty | nobody will |
| 22:09.52 | tordy | sometimes i like his detailed answers |
| 22:09.53 | AlphA_VsT | just becasue you never do bounty |
| 22:09.53 | Bounty | make as well be speaking arabic |
| 22:10.03 | Bounty | as far as im concerned |
| 22:10.06 | Bounty | he just makes up words |
| 22:10.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:10.11 | AlphA_VsT | I understand him most of the time |
| 22:10.16 | AlphA_VsT | for the most part |
| 22:10.51 | Bounty | it kinda brings me back to what we were talking about earlier |
| 22:10.55 | Bounty | about stupid people |
| 22:11.02 | Bounty | and how jade say he was stupid |
| 22:11.05 | Bounty | and it kinda makes sense to me |
| 22:11.16 | Bounty | bc he cannot break his way of speaking down into anything but what it is |
| 22:11.24 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 22:11.38 | Bounty | so in that regards i guess hes stupid? just as i am stupid for not being able to understand him lol |
| 22:11.47 | AlphA_VsT | pretty much |
| 22:12.25 | Bounty | Its like if Jade was a computer he could not convert his 0's and 1's into Windows for stupid people to understand |
| 22:12.39 | Bounty | He would just always be |
| 22:12.42 | Bounty | 0's and 1's |
| 22:13.13 | tordy | bounty speaks in base 256 |
| 22:13.13 | Bounty | What were we talking about? |
| 22:13.34 | tordy | genetic algorithms? |
| 22:13.36 | AlphA_VsT | vaginas |
| 22:13.46 | Bounty | da fuck is an algorithm |
| 22:13.46 | Ahli | about how the matrix looks like in bounty's opinion |
| 22:13.50 | Bounty | is that like a rhythm game? |
| 22:13.52 | tordy | alpha have you ever impelemnted genetic algorithms in a map? |
| 22:13.57 | tordy | it's pretty coo |
| 22:14.16 | AlphA_VsT | um? i have no idea what that would be |
| 22:14.20 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:14.23 | Bounty | Yeah that would work to Ahli |
| 22:14.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:14.28 | tordy | jade is back hooray |
| 22:14.34 | Bounty | scroll up jade |
| 22:14.43 | Bounty | we had a lets discuss jade moment |
| 22:14.45 | Bounty | mostly me |
| 22:14.51 | JademusSreg | I've been wanting to do something with genetic algorithms in a SC2 map, but haven't had any good ideas for it. |
| 22:15.05 | AlphA_VsT | wtf is that |
| 22:15.15 | tordy | it's somethin cool that's all you need to know |
| 22:15.22 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK YOU! |
| 22:15.26 | tordy | :( |
| 22:15.46 | Bounty | ok lets figure this out Alpha |
| 22:15.48 | Bounty | first |
| 22:15.54 | Bounty | ~dict algorithm |
| 22:16.00 | AlphA_VsT | I did i used google |
| 22:16.10 | Bounty | ok |
| 22:16.11 | tordy | ~dict butt |
| 22:16.12 | Bounty | first of all |
| 22:16.14 | JademusSreg | Think of it like an algorithm that operates on a set of parameters propogated by the most successful generational results. |
| 22:16.19 | Bounty | i dont see how that is special |
| 22:16.27 | Bounty | an algorithm sounds like every sc2 map |
| 22:16.57 | Bounty | new topic please |
| 22:17.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:17.02 | AlphA_VsT | its liek random mutation with a set goal |
| 22:17.30 | Bounty | so.. |
| 22:17.34 | Bounty | dynamic gameplay? |
| 22:17.41 | Bounty | is basically what you're saying |
| 22:17.42 | tordy | wtf is dynamic gameplay |
| 22:18.06 | Bounty | gameplay that is differant every game you play it with the same end result |
| 22:18.18 | AlphA_VsT | thats randomization |
| 22:18.25 | JademusSreg | [18:08:53] <tordy> no there were like some things you can do in script that cannot be done in triggers/gui |
| 22:18.29 | Bounty | no |
| 22:18.31 | AlphA_VsT | paper zombies is random :P |
| 22:18.31 | Bounty | its not random alpha |
| 22:18.32 | Ahli | it means that something improves itself over the time through random mutations & a testing phase where the best of the testing group are chosen to mutate to the next group |
| 22:18.37 | Bounty | it changes based on how you play |
| 22:18.40 | Bounty | like it evolves |
| 22:18.42 | Ahli | like breeding |
| 22:18.45 | Bounty | based on how the current game is going |
| 22:18.54 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:18.58 | Bounty | so its dynamic gameplay |
| 22:19.01 | Bounty | GL with that |
| 22:19.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:19.04 | AlphA_VsT | I guess :P |
| 22:19.09 | AlphA_VsT | Sounds like fun |
| 22:19.11 | tordy | but you said the same end result |
| 22:19.23 | Bounty | well yeah overall |
| 22:19.31 | Bounty | i mean the goal of the game will be the same |
| 22:19.36 | Bounty | but how you get to it |
| 22:19.40 | Bounty | wil be differant |
| 22:19.45 | Bounty | but heres the problem |
| 22:19.48 | tordy | so |
| 22:19.54 | tordy | like a lot of versus games? |
| 22:19.55 | JademusSreg | Galaxy has includes, which GUI handles implicitly with library dependencies. Galaxy can directly allocate object creation function output to the variable without using the intermediary LastCreatedWhatever. Galaxy can create and register triggers and events dynamically. |
| 22:19.59 | Bounty | There are not even any real games with dynamic gameplay |
| 22:20.02 | tordy | because you cant use the same strat vs human players every time |
| 22:20.03 | Bounty | Closest game i can think of |
| 22:20.05 | Bounty | is RiFt |
| 22:20.09 | Bounty | and thats not even really dynamic |
| 22:20.27 | Bounty | I think i talked about this with someone before |
| 22:20.30 | Bounty | About how to do it |
| 22:20.41 | Bounty | I said, use a system like bulletstorm |
| 22:20.47 | JademusSreg | GUI has Presets, which are functionally enums, which is a construct not supported in galaxy; instead preset values are input as literals. |
| 22:20.49 | tordy | that wasn't me |
| 22:20.51 | Bounty | like you gain poitns performing certain actions |
| 22:20.55 | Bounty | like |
| 22:21.00 | Bounty | the game measures your skill level |
| 22:21.13 | Bounty | and your strengths/weaknesses |
| 22:21.19 | Bounty | and evovles the gameplay around it |
| 22:21.29 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:21.32 | Bounty | like i said |
| 22:21.34 | Bounty | GL doing it |
| 22:21.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:22.05 | Bounty | You could do it like a combat system |
| 22:22.07 | Bounty | combo |
| 22:22.08 | AlphA_VsT | Idono sounds Like a fun project creating a mutational map |
| 22:22.18 | Bounty | like your skill level raises but get reset when u start sucking |
| 22:22.27 | Bounty | like its a depleting resource |
| 22:22.33 | Bounty | does this make sense at all? |
| 22:22.38 | AlphA_VsT | sure it does |
| 22:22.50 | Bounty | it would be easy to do |
| 22:23.00 | Bounty | the only hard part would be determining how you award skill points |
| 22:23.27 | tordy | did anyone help finish the battlebots map? |
| 22:23.30 | Bounty | an obvious one would be if players are kill lots of enemies very quickly |
| 22:23.36 | Bounty | then the skill level would rise |
| 22:23.37 | AlphA_VsT | battlebots? |
| 22:24.28 | tordy | map where players "program" a unit to fight against others |
| 22:24.39 | AlphA_VsT | I see :P |
| 22:24.49 | Bounty | so its like pokemon |
| 22:24.54 | tordy | no it's not like pokemon |
| 22:24.55 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 22:25.03 | Skizot | i'd win that. by making a bot that runs away no matter what. |
| 22:25.09 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 22:25.17 | Bounty | well |
| 22:25.19 | AlphA_VsT | RUN! |
| 22:25.19 | Bounty | i can top that |
| 22:25.19 | Skizot | and hides behind pits and damage. |
| 22:25.32 | Bounty | make a bot that runs away but that can also shoot behind it |
| 22:25.35 | Bounty | win |
| 22:25.46 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:25.56 | tordy | i think it's a lil more lower lvel than that |
| 22:25.59 | Ahli | stop shoot run, if target is faster than u, shot as much as u can, if you are faster, run till you reach your max range and shot, else shoot after a timeout of 10 seconds. |
| 22:26.20 | AlphA_VsT | I really want to make a test map now |
| 22:26.35 | Skizot | bots don't have range. |
| 22:26.39 | tordy | heres what im talking about |
| 22:26.39 | tordy | http://www.forum.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/4370-wip-battle-bots-ingame-scripting-language/ |
| 22:26.43 | Skizot | bots are melee. |
| 22:27.08 | Ahli | so make the bot attack move to enemy! |
| 22:27.18 | tordy | a lil more complicated than that |
| 22:27.25 | tordy | you gotta specify |
| 22:27.27 | tordy | stuff |
| 22:27.54 | Ahli | k, after attack, move in a random direction around the enemy (counterclockwise or clockwise) |
| 22:28.06 | Ahli | if weapon can be used again, attack |
| 22:28.26 | Bounty | The amount of brain power it would take to really make that map |
| 22:28.31 | Bounty | my god |
| 22:28.42 | Bounty | Bc the balancing alone |
| 22:28.45 | tordy | DR can make that map right |
| 22:28.47 | Bounty | would be almost impossible |
| 22:28.49 | tordy | <_< |
| 22:28.56 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.01 | tordy | oh most definately |
| 22:29.04 | Ahli | there will always be a superior strategy, yes ;D |
| 22:29.06 | Bounty | how can you balance AI? lol |
| 22:29.10 | Bounty | fighting AI |
| 22:29.15 | tordy | cuz if it's not balanced, people will just copy w/e superior strat they got online |
| 22:29.22 | Bounty | exactly |
| 22:29.24 | tordy | and every fight will be the same |
| 22:29.24 | Bounty | like i said |
| 22:29.35 | Bounty | none of us possess a brain powerful enough to do it imo |
| 22:29.42 | tordy | it can prob be done |
| 22:29.46 | tordy | just need the right limitations |
| 22:29.54 | tordy | so you can go super freely everywhere |
| 22:30.00 | tordy | and do whatever you want |
| 22:30.13 | Bounty | I really like the idea though |
| 22:30.18 | Bounty | perfect for bnet |
| 22:30.21 | tordy | i know |
| 22:30.22 | Bounty | TONS of depth |
| 22:30.23 | Ahli | it's like telling how the perfect starcraft game runs in theory by just watching stats and thinking about the game in your head... |
| 22:30.25 | Bounty | and its an afk map |
| 22:30.27 | Bounty | at the same time |
| 22:30.32 | Bounty | = page 1 map |
| 22:30.34 | Bounty | instantly |
| 22:30.35 | tordy | pretty much what the community wants |
| 22:30.41 | tordy | setup and spectate |
| 22:30.45 | Bounty | yep |
| 22:31.05 | Bounty | i mean cmon |
| 22:31.07 | Bounty | who likes playing? |
| 22:31.09 | Bounty | get real |
| 22:31.14 | tordy | i like playing! |
| 22:31.18 | Bounty | thats 2 |
| 22:31.19 | tordy | other games |
| 22:31.22 | Bounty | but im not being sarcastic |
| 22:31.24 | tordy | but in sc2 i like watching |
| 22:31.25 | Ahli | making the stuff is the fun part ;D |
| 22:31.34 | Bounty | i'd say the people who prefer playing AFK maps greatly outnumber us |
| 22:31.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:31.36 | Ahli | I'm rarely on bnet ^^ |
| 22:31.56 | Ahli | because u are still in your map where u see the defeated dialog, bounty? |
| 22:32.01 | Bounty | btw |
| 22:32.03 | Bounty | Alpha |
| 22:32.09 | Bounty | i know how those maps got to page 1 so fast |
| 22:32.09 | tordy | but to be fair, might be too complicated |
| 22:32.10 | Bounty | out of nowhere |
| 22:32.13 | Bounty | finally figured it out |
| 22:32.15 | tordy | because setup is gonna take lots of time |
| 22:32.23 | tordy | unless you just take w/e strat online |
| 22:32.25 | tordy | and ust copy it |
| 22:32.27 | tordy | and modify |
| 22:32.34 | tordy | maybe |
| 22:32.37 | *** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-124.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:32.51 | tordy | i'd imagine there's some base/default scripts to make it easier for newbies |
| 22:32.52 | Bounty | If you had 14 people |
| 22:32.54 | Bounty | camp in your map |
| 22:32.57 | Bounty | and leave the computer on |
| 22:33.04 | Bounty | it would take only 3 days to get 1,000 hours |
| 22:33.08 | Bounty | with just those 14 people |
| 22:33.08 | Ahli | comps or players? |
| 22:33.10 | Bounty | players |
| 22:33.12 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:33.13 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 22:33.18 | Ahli | I have a laptop, I could do that ;D |
| 22:33.22 | Bounty | i knew they didnt get the page 1 legit |
| 22:33.25 | Bounty | there is no fucking way |
| 22:33.29 | Bounty | so this just confirms it |
| 22:33.31 | Bounty | you can do it |
| 22:33.33 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 22:33.39 | Bounty | im doing it right now |
| 22:33.43 | Bounty | only problem is its just me |
| 22:33.44 | AlphA_VsT | LOL |
| 22:33.46 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 22:33.47 | Bounty | so its going to take 1,000 hours |
| 22:33.50 | Bounty | to get to |
| 22:33.53 | Bounty | 1,000 hours |
| 22:33.54 | Ahli | do computers help? |
| 22:33.55 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:33.55 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 22:33.57 | Bounty | no |
| 22:33.59 | Bounty | only players |
| 22:34.00 | Ahli | do left players count? |
| 22:34.04 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 22:34.05 | Bounty | no |
| 22:34.06 | tordy | you know a genetic algorithm map is an afk map too |
| 22:34.10 | Bounty | u have to join the game |
| 22:34.15 | Bounty | and just let it run |
| 22:34.16 | Bounty | forever |
| 22:34.18 | tordy | there was this flash game |
| 22:34.21 | Bounty | even after defeat screen |
| 22:34.24 | tordy | that used genetic algorithms |
| 22:34.25 | Bounty | it still keeps counting |
| 22:34.27 | tordy | and i sat for hours |
| 22:34.29 | tordy | just watching it grow |
| 22:34.32 | tordy | it's so exciting |
| 22:34.35 | AlphA_VsT | LOL |
| 22:34.35 | tordy | and so addicting |
| 22:34.38 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:34.43 | Ahli | the blue defeat screen or the small dialog inside the map? |
| 22:34.46 | AlphA_VsT | i want to make a ai for a stalekr |
| 22:34.51 | Bounty | the small dialog |
| 22:34.55 | Ahli | k ;D |
| 22:34.57 | AlphA_VsT | that has to get through a randomly generated maze |
| 22:34.57 | Bounty | just dont quit out of the actual map |
| 22:35.00 | Bounty | and it still keeps counting |
| 22:35.06 | Bounty | so |
| 22:35.06 | AlphA_VsT | with traps |
| 22:35.08 | AlphA_VsT | and shit |
| 22:35.11 | Bounty | i need to hire 14 koreans |
| 22:35.15 | Bounty | for 3 days |
| 22:35.21 | AlphA_VsT | hire 28 |
| 22:35.23 | Bounty | and i will have my success |
| 22:35.25 | tordy | doesnt afking in a public lobby count towards hours |
| 22:35.29 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 22:35.31 | Bounty | nope |
| 22:35.37 | AlphA_VsT | you have to be in the game |
| 22:35.37 | Bounty | as long as ur in the actual map |
| 22:35.40 | tordy | they fixed it? |
| 22:35.40 | Bounty | it counts |
| 22:35.42 | Bounty | forever |
| 22:35.45 | Bounty | even if the game has ended |
| 22:35.48 | Bounty | as long as u dont hit quit |
| 22:35.51 | Bounty | it still keeps counting |
| 22:35.54 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:35.55 | tordy | so they fixed it? |
| 22:35.58 | Bounty | yeah sure |
| 22:36.02 | AlphA_VsT | of ocurse they did |
| 22:36.03 | tordy | cuz it worked before |
| 22:36.05 | tordy | ok |
| 22:36.09 | AlphA_VsT | a long time ago |
| 22:36.13 | tordy | wasnt that long ago |
| 22:36.22 | tordy | maybe 3 months ago since i tried |
| 22:36.31 | tordy | i joined a 0 time map |
| 22:36.35 | tordy | and afked in the lobby |
| 22:36.37 | tordy | the time went up |
| 22:37.12 | flyingspatula | damn i dont get why looking at 12 units at once rapes my framerate so bad in third person |
| 22:37.24 | tordy | turn off hdr |
| 22:37.38 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:37.57 | flyingspatula | lol but still |
| 22:38.04 | flyingspatula | its just 12 units |
| 22:38.25 | tordy | just 12 units doesnt mean much |
| 22:38.29 | tordy | are they like terratrons |
| 22:38.35 | tordy | or marines |
| 22:38.50 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:38.54 | flyingspatula | hdr didnt help :( uh |
| 22:38.56 | flyingspatula | just marines |
| 22:38.56 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:38.57 | tordy | :[ |
| 22:38.59 | tordy | damn shame! |
| 22:39.08 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:39.08 | tordy | DAYUM SHAYUME |
| 22:39.17 | flyingspatula | all cusotm made with minimal crap linked with it |
| 22:39.29 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:39.32 | AlphA_VsT | means nothing |
| 22:39.47 | flyingspatula | meh |
| 22:39.52 | flyingspatula | figured itd help a bit anyway |
| 22:39.56 | flyingspatula | dont get why its doing this tho |
| 22:40.04 | flyingspatula | i can have a 100+ doodads no issue |
| 22:40.05 | AlphA_VsT | how high is your what you call it |
| 22:40.09 | flyingspatula | but 10+ units BAM |
| 22:40.17 | tordy | did you try other units |
| 22:40.19 | flyingspatula | max settings. |
| 22:40.23 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 22:40.29 | flyingspatula | ill try it again |
| 22:40.37 | AlphA_VsT | yoru far clipping |
| 22:40.40 | tordy | did you replace the model with an invisible model? |
| 22:40.48 | Bounty | Wanna try checking one more time AlphA? for 100% confirmation |
| 22:40.49 | tordy | to ensure it's not the model's fault |
| 22:40.52 | Bounty | should be at 5 hours now right? |
| 22:41.15 | AlphA_VsT | something like that |
| 22:43.15 | AlphA_VsT | yeah bounty |
| 22:43.19 | Bounty | sweet |
| 22:43.28 | Bounty | looks like my PC isnt going to sleep for awhile |
| 22:43.52 | AlphA_VsT | LOLOLOLOLOL |
| 22:44.33 | flyingspatula | weird, it wasnt the units. some random spot on my map rapes fps but there snothign there |
| 22:44.38 | flyingspatula | its empty -_- |
| 22:44.48 | AlphA_VsT | this air strike ability is way complicated |
| 22:45.00 | Bounty | Not if you did it through triggers =P |
| 22:45.10 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:45.30 | flyingspatula | when removing cliffs, is there something that stays on the map terrain? |
| 22:45.37 | Bounty | Did you ever see nany of my Project Avatar ability videos Alpha? |
| 22:45.41 | Bounty | They were done 100% with triggers |
| 22:45.53 | Bounty | Can't even tell |
| 22:47.06 | flyingspatula | wtf it is from cliffs! i removed cliff area on my map and it destroyed everything ugh |
| 22:47.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:47.33 | flyingspatula | or not |
| 22:47.34 | flyingspatula | wtf |
| 22:47.35 | flyingspatula | water |
| 22:47.49 | flyingspatula | -_- reset my height and whole map is covered in water no wonder |
| 22:50.16 | flyingspatula | wonder if i should add all those prophunt music |
| 22:50.54 | Bounty | Can we see your terrain as it stands atm? |
| 22:50.56 | Bounty | Kinda curious |
| 22:51.03 | flyingspatula | mine? |
| 22:51.06 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:51.07 | Bounty | No |
| 22:51.10 | flyingspatula | gonna say |
| 22:51.11 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:51.12 | Bounty | Yes |
| 22:51.13 | flyingspatula | -_- |
| 22:51.14 | flyingspatula | SCREW U |
| 22:51.15 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:51.19 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:51.21 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 22:51.24 | flyingspatula | u always do tha tlol |
| 22:51.31 | Bounty | Yep thats the second time you've fallen for that |
| 22:51.38 | Bounty | When you're the only person talking in the IRC |
| 22:51.38 | flyingspatula | my terrain isnt really very far. working on other things first |
| 22:51.40 | Bounty | lolol |
| 22:51.43 | flyingspatula | lol yeah fail me |
| 22:51.47 | Bounty | I know im just curious where you stand |
| 22:52.11 | tordy | you complete me! |
| 22:52.19 | flyingspatula | im probably going to steal some map layout from tf2 and work from there |
| 22:52.29 | tordy | good idea |
| 22:52.38 | Bounty | not really |
| 22:52.41 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:52.43 | flyingspatula | yeah not really |
| 22:52.47 | Bounty | the only thing you should steal from tf2 |
| 22:52.51 | Bounty | is how natural things look |
| 22:52.56 | Bounty | and go from there |
| 22:52.58 | flyingspatula | well thats sort of what i was getting at lol |
| 22:53.03 | Bounty | oh |
| 22:53.05 | tordy | the only you should steal from tf2 is the hats |
| 22:53.06 | Bounty | i thought u meant layout |
| 22:53.07 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:53.17 | flyingspatula | right now i havent really done much terrain wise bc |
| 22:53.32 | flyingspatula | im more experimenting with making simple interiors like garage with crap inside it |
| 22:53.39 | flyingspatula | and other buildings |
| 22:53.56 | Bounty | meh thats easy |
| 22:53.57 | flyingspatula | since i have wall collision it works fine, no clipping thru models |
| 22:54.01 | flyingspatula | YEAH FOR YOU MAYBE |
| 22:54.11 | flyingspatula | why, are u wanting to remake urs again |
| 22:54.12 | flyingspatula | sigh |
| 22:54.19 | Bounty | no |
| 22:54.22 | flyingspatula | o lol |
| 22:54.23 | Bounty | when did i ever say that |
| 22:54.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:54.38 | flyingspatula | GOOD |
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| 22:57.26 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:57.27 | AlphA_VsT | what |
| 22:58.00 | flyingspatula | part of me wants to make it reeeally similar to prophunt like sounds/way you attack and take damage/etc but othe rpart of me wants to be more... creative lol |
| 22:58.07 | Bounty | hes making a map like Doodad Hunt and doesnt want me to do Doodad Hunt 2 |
| 22:58.13 | Bounty | sums it up Alpha_vst |
| 22:58.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:58.26 | Bounty | Well TF2 is F2P now |
| 22:58.28 | Bounty | so |
| 22:58.36 | Bounty | you better make it better/more original |
| 22:58.39 | Bounty | >< |
| 23:03.38 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:03.40 | flyingspatula | true |
| 23:09.32 | flyingspatula | i did have zerglings carring props to burrow under but u cant have big props like vehicles and trees n shit that are hilariosu |
| 23:18.04 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:18.08 | AlphA_VsT | you so silly |
| 23:18.35 | Bounty | The moment you start thinking logically about the gameplay in a doodad hunt/prop hunt type map |
| 23:18.38 | Bounty | You've already failed |
| 23:18.45 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 23:19.02 | flyingspatula | well my whole idea for that was so i could name it ZERGLING HUNT |
| 23:19.05 | Bounty | the more WTF it looks the better |
| 23:19.05 | flyingspatula | but that got fucked |
| 23:19.17 | Bounty | why |
| 23:19.21 | A1win | then it wouldn't sound like what it is |
| 23:19.21 | flyingspatula | someone took name |
| 23:19.25 | flyingspatula | true |
| 23:19.33 | Bounty | call it Prop Hunt |
| 23:19.33 | flyingspatula | but u already haz da only logical name |
| 23:19.34 | flyingspatula | XD |
| 23:19.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:19.37 | Bounty | >< |
| 23:19.39 | flyingspatula | someone stoled it |
| 23:21.41 | AlphA_VsT | lololol |
| 23:22.24 | AlphA_VsT | wait team fortress 2> |
| 23:22.33 | AlphA_VsT | they made that? |
| 23:22.35 | Bounty | for the record i'm more than positive that there is a name better than doodad hunt |
| 23:22.46 | flyingspatula | hm Prop Hunt map is third person too |
| 23:22.47 | Bounty | u just havent thought of it yet |
| 23:22.56 | Bounty | prop hunt map? |
| 23:22.59 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 23:23.04 | flyingspatula | its wasd n all too |
| 23:23.05 | Bounty | there is a map called prop hunt? lol |
| 23:23.11 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 23:23.11 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:23.11 | Bounty | on US? |
| 23:23.14 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 23:23.23 | Bounty | gotta see this |
| 23:23.36 | AlphA_VsT | MUHAHAHAHAH! |
| 23:23.38 | AlphA_VsT | omg |
| 23:23.47 | AlphA_VsT | bet its horribad |
| 23:23.56 | flyingspatula | aw |
| 23:23.58 | flyingspatula | i invited u nigguh |
| 23:24.13 | flyingspatula | fail i think wer eon same team |
| 23:24.22 | AlphA_VsT | ive done 0 work on my map today |
| 23:24.23 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:24.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:24.46 | Bounty | wow |
| 23:24.51 | Bounty | he even stole my panda sign gimmick |
| 23:25.20 | AlphA_VsT | HAHAHAHAH! |
| 23:25.52 | Bounty | i quit out flyingspatua |
| 23:25.56 | Bounty | i cant stands no more |
| 23:25.58 | flyingspatula | hahaha |
| 23:26.15 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 23:26.15 | Kueken | on eu, the day just started, so that doesn't say much |
| 23:26.15 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:26.26 | Bounty | i found it funny he ripped the Panda Sign gimmick from doodad hunt |
| 23:26.33 | flyingspatula | didnt realize there was a bed mattress doodad |
| 23:26.46 | Bounty | Only diff is that his panda sign is not 50 feet tall |
| 23:26.47 | Bounty | >< |
| 23:26.50 | flyingspatula | lolol |
| 23:27.21 | flyingspatula | its hard for me to not outright copy alot of ur ideas sigh |
| 23:27.34 | flyingspatula | well ways u implimented into sc2 |
| 23:27.35 | flyingspatula | anyawy |
| 23:27.39 | Bounty | >< |
| 23:27.45 | Bounty | make your own damn gimmicks |
| 23:27.49 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 23:27.50 | Bounty | or else they wont be funny |
| 23:27.52 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:27.54 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 23:27.59 | flyingspatula | i was refering to like |
| 23:28.11 | flyingspatula | how u cartoonized using lighting |
| 23:28.24 | flyingspatula | technical crap |
| 23:28.39 | Bounty | I'm surprised that Prop Hunt map didnt have the Top Half of Kate Lockwell model as a selectable doodad |
| 23:28.48 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 23:28.58 | flyingspatula | you did? |
| 23:28.59 | flyingspatula | lmao |
| 23:28.59 | Bounty | She was surprisingly OP in Doodad Hunt |
| 23:29.01 | Bounty | yeah |
| 23:29.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:29.04 | flyingspatula | STEALING THAT |
| 23:29.10 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 23:29.13 | flyingspatula | i imagine that was hilarious |
| 23:29.18 | Bounty | It was but |
| 23:29.20 | Bounty | shes OP |
| 23:29.22 | flyingspatula | lmao |
| 23:29.27 | Bounty | so small |
| 23:29.30 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:29.38 | Bounty | and even if you make her bigger, the higher her body floats |
| 23:29.46 | flyingspatula | XD |
| 23:29.49 | Bounty | which im sure u could fix |
| 23:29.59 | flyingspatula | prolly |
| 23:30.00 | Bounty | also |
| 23:30.11 | Bounty | if you steal to much i will make Doodad Hunt 2 out of spite |
| 23:30.14 | Bounty | =P |
| 23:30.14 | flyingspatula | lmao |
| 23:30.24 | Bounty | Which means it will be the best map ever |
| 23:30.29 | Bounty | Just like angry sex |
| 23:30.32 | Bounty | Angry map making |
| 23:30.32 | flyingspatula | fuk uuuu |
| 23:31.12 | flyingspatula | im still trying to decide how i want jumping to work |
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| 23:32.01 | flyingspatula | i wanted to turn every doodad into a platform using custom footprint |
| 23:32.08 | flyingspatula | but never works right |
| 23:32.17 | flyingspatula | have to do it with terrain object |
| 23:32.19 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 23:32.20 | flyingspatula | s |
| 23:32.37 | flyingspatula | like how bridges work running into t hem and ur on top |
| 23:32.52 | flyingspatula | so u could actually jump on top of shit |
| 23:33.03 | JademusSreg | The walkability plane of a model is defines in the model. |
| 23:33.07 | JademusSreg | *defined |
| 23:33.11 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 23:33.16 | JademusSreg | Pathing != walkability |
| 23:33.19 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:33.28 | flyingspatula | then whats the deal with footprints then |
| 23:33.39 | JademusSreg | They define pathing. |
| 23:33.52 | flyingspatula | so if i want to make objects u can walk over |
| 23:34.00 | flyingspatula | i need to edit them in model editor? |
| 23:34.02 | flyingspatula | weird |
| 23:34.50 | Kueken | I am pretty sure you can check some model flag to make a model walkable in data... I tried this once |
| 23:34.54 | JademusSreg | Bridges use footprints with a setting that defines them as static, so they can't be changed, but its necessary to allow them to change cliff pathing. |
| 23:35.08 | flyingspatula | gah |
| 23:35.22 | JademusSreg | If you set a model with a physics body to Always Keyframed, the physics body will be treated as a walkable plane. |
| 23:35.24 | Kueken | ok, cliff pathing is another story, I guess |
| 23:35.45 | Ahli | make bridge model invisible, place other actor... done |
| 23:36.08 | JademusSreg | A model without a physics body set to always keyframed will just throw an error. |
| 23:36.12 | Ahli | that's how I made my bridges http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9386/screenshot2012030400593.jpg |
| 23:36.21 | JademusSreg | That's how I make mine as well. |
| 23:36.44 | flyingspatula | which bridges, just the model itself? |
| 23:36.52 | flyingspatula | i swear doodad bridges never do shit |
| 23:36.56 | flyingspatula | only the object terrain ones |
| 23:37.02 | Ahli | lol, no |
| 23:37.03 | JademusSreg | Though bridge is kind of a loaded term; when you want to define a walkable plane, you'd best use a model that already has one. |
| 23:37.09 | Ahli | mar sara bridge works |
| 23:37.28 | flyingspatula | well the smallest possible walkable plane model would be nice |
| 23:37.30 | flyingspatula | if i can find one |
| 23:37.36 | JademusSreg | I use walkable bridge models flattened out and scaled to fit cells. |
| 23:37.55 | flyingspatula | hm thatd work |
| 23:38.02 | flyingspatula | but |
| 23:38.07 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Char%20Platformer%20Terrain%20Demo.SC2Map |
| 23:38.19 | flyingspatula | always <3 ur demos |
| 23:38.27 | Skizot | JademusSreg |
| 23:38.31 | Skizot | wanna finish TC? |
| 23:39.05 | JademusSreg | What's that? |
| 23:39.33 | flyingspatula | those bridges really destrouy ur FPS dont they jade |
| 23:39.44 | Skizot | terran conflict |
| 23:39.44 | JademusSreg | Naw, my fps is sweet. |
| 23:39.48 | flyingspatula | weird |
| 23:39.49 | AlphA_VsT | Im mkaing my own ability LOLOL |
| 23:39.50 | flyingspatula | mine was 30 |
| 23:39.52 | flyingspatula | so many bridges |
| 23:40.46 | JademusSreg | Anyway, that was an extreme case, with a lot of difference in elevation. |
| 23:41.09 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 23:41.10 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:41.15 | flyingspatula | you and ur random experiments in sc2 |
| 23:41.18 | JademusSreg | Skiz, I'm pretty busy, so I doubt I could give it the time it needs. |
| 23:41.24 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 23:41.25 | Skizot | mine could use better evelations lol |
| 23:41.52 | Skizot | fuck. |
| 23:41.56 | Skizot | everyone i stoo busy |
| 23:41.59 | Skizot | i'm burnt out |
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| 23:44.35 | Bounty | Om Nom Nom |
| 23:45.14 | Skizot | and that is SO not a platformer. |
| 23:47.18 | flyingspatula | hm? |
| 23:52.59 | flyingspatula | sweet |
| 23:53.04 | flyingspatula | now i can jump around on top of shit and jump off |
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