| 00:43.21 | JademusSreg | I return. |
| 00:49.05 | Mexa_ | Hello there |
| 00:49.43 | JademusSreg | Have I missed anything of import? |
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| 02:12.48 | Mexa_ | Probably not :D |
| 02:13.17 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:30.58 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:31.52 | AlphA_VsT | left my game running and it caused no lag during the 13200 game seconds its been running :P |
| 02:31.59 | AlphA_VsT | yay for naps |
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| 03:09.09 | Nardival_ | Hey. |
| 03:09.35 | Nardival_ | Is there anyway to pass an array as a parameter? Or do I need to pass an index and use a global array? |
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| 03:17.30 | JademusSreg | The latter. |
| 03:23.01 | Nardival_ | And, is there any way to allow a 'Switch' pick values between a lower and upper limit? |
| 03:23.28 | Nardival_ | Other than using a If, Then Else statement with > & </ |
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| 03:24.34 | JademusSreg | There are GUI Switch blocks, that are just a ladder of if else if expressions in galaxy, since galaxy script doesn |
| 03:24.44 | JademusSreg | doesn't have a native switch expression. |
| 03:25.05 | Nardival_ | I've not had time to learn galaxy unfortunately. |
| 03:25.43 | JademusSreg | It's a neutered C language. |
| 03:25.52 | Nardival_ | How does the engine / logic convert a real value into an integer? Say for example, if I divided 122/72, would 1.694* become 2 or 1? |
| 03:26.14 | JademusSreg | Implicit casts to Real. |
| 03:26.31 | Nardival_ | In laymens terms? :) |
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| 03:27.31 | JademusSreg | An implicit cast means an int in an operation that would produce a fractional value should implicitly cast the resulting value to a type that supports fractional values. |
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| 03:27.57 | JademusSreg | Called Real in GUI and fixed in galaxy. |
| 03:28.10 | Batomys | Anyone available to test map on NA battle.net? |
| 03:28.22 | JademusSreg | SC2 doesn't use floats, but instead uses fixed. |
| 03:28.34 | JademusSreg | Bat, what are you testing? |
| 03:28.51 | Nardival_ | Sorry Bat, I'm exiled to the EU Realm. |
| 03:29.21 | Batomys | Map balance, been playing with myself, need to check with others |
| 03:29.40 | JademusSreg | Map balance with regards to what elements? |
| 03:29.44 | Nardival_ | What kind of map is it, I think Jademus means. |
| 03:29.55 | JademusSreg | (That too.) |
| 03:30.08 | Batomys | Basically I am going to watch you play and adjust accordingly. |
| 03:30.24 | JademusSreg | Adjust what? |
| 03:31.11 | Nardival_ | Your reaction times, awareness and actions per minute. He's a Psionic. |
| 03:31.16 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 03:31.52 | JademusSreg | If you're working on balancing content, I'd recommend this (plug): http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/32268-damage-tracker-a-damage-log-to-assist-in-balancing/#p1 |
| 03:32.41 | Nardival_ | I couldn't get that to work, Jademus, but then again, I probably didn't use it properly ;) |
| 03:32.54 | JademusSreg | That is probable. |
| 03:33.15 | JademusSreg | If you explain what trouble you had, I could improve the documentation. |
| 03:33.33 | Batomys | Oh cool, I will check that out |
| 03:33.40 | Nardival_ | It was a while ago. I assume it created a debug.txt somewhere that I just neglected to hunt for. |
| 03:33.46 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:33.59 | Batomys | But I really need to see how someone else works through the map, it's about 15-20 mins for a run through |
| 03:34.08 | Nardival_ | In which case, I also assumed it would display the Debug messages in game, which I never saw. |
| 03:34.38 | JademusSreg | I do not have time to test a full playthrough, at the moment. Ask me in an hour or two. |
| 03:34.56 | Nardival_ | If you'd like, Batomys, you could send me the map and I can upload the replay? |
| 03:35.02 | Nardival_ | I have 15 to 20 minutes spare. |
| 03:35.11 | JademusSreg | Ah, no, printing debug messages to the game would be annoying, but I thought I added a configurable value for that, in any case. |
| 03:35.48 | Nardival_ | Ah, at least a confirmation that something has happened, would stop people falling at the second hurdle as I did. |
| 03:36.04 | Nardival_ | The documentation otherwise seems thorough and I'll be using it when my map is ready. |
| 03:37.39 | JademusSreg | I am uncertain how well it works in multiplayer. I was informed it was suggested by the devs that the debugger might work in multiplayer if the debugger is first launched from a locally played game. |
| 03:37.58 | AlphA_VsT | it does, or at least it used to |
| 03:43.32 | JademusSreg | I've been considering outputting to a bank, only that probably would be more problematic, as multiplayer requires bank preloading, which adds additional complications for the user. On the other hand, it would effectively preorganize the data when seen through an XML viewer. |
| 03:44.19 | Nardival_ | I don't see much urgency for it to be multiplayer compatible. |
| 03:45.17 | Nardival_ | The author should have more than enough information to adjust values accordingly, so that any balance issues which might surface in multiplayer will be glaringly obvious. |
| 03:47.07 | JademusSreg | Quite. But my reference to multiplayer concerns bank preloading a prerequisite to even saving the bank in the first place, even for one player; it would be an excessive number of additional steps for the user. |
| 03:47.29 | flyingspatula | i dont even understand what the bank thing is |
| 03:49.22 | AlphA_VsT | save data use it later |
| 03:49.48 | Nardival_ | Simplest way of thinking about a bank is a saved game file unique to each player who plays your map. |
| 03:50.23 | Nardival_ | You can store their progress individually, theoretically, giving you a tool to enhance replayability by giving your audience shiny achievements. |
| 03:54.14 | AlphA_VsT | Or unachievable goals within a single game |
| 03:54.17 | flyingspatula | hmmm |
| 03:54.21 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 03:54.40 | flyingspatula | so it has nothing to do with datatables lol |
| 03:54.43 | flyingspatula | or anything |
| 03:54.58 | flyingspatula | its strictly something saved to ur game itself? |
| 03:54.59 | AlphA_VsT | banks are the system for storing that data |
| 03:55.02 | JademusSreg | Data Tables != Banks |
| 03:55.04 | flyingspatula | oh i see |
| 03:55.15 | flyingspatula | ohh |
| 03:55.16 | flyingspatula | ok ok |
| 03:55.23 | AlphA_VsT | and any other variables you have |
| 03:58.57 | AlphA_VsT | I cant figgure out what random variable i need to find the correct point! |
| 03:58.59 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK ME! |
| 04:11.17 | AlphA_VsT | I need to re to this randomization system I think :D |
| 04:13.50 | AlphA_VsT | My fucking color converter isnt working because of it... |
| 04:13.52 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
| 04:13.54 | AlphA_VsT | and it should be |
| 04:13.56 | AlphA_VsT | idono why |
| 04:13.57 | AlphA_VsT | fuck me |
| 04:24.04 | Batomys | God I hope Blizzard puts custom decal support in the editor soon |
| 04:24.38 | AlphA_VsT | you can make new decals... |
| 04:24.50 | Batomys | But you can't include them in your map. |
| 04:24.58 | AlphA_VsT | why not? |
| 04:25.38 | AlphA_VsT | all they are is actors... |
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| 04:28.37 | Batomys | All the threads I had read said that you could replace a local file but it wouldn't work for others |
| 04:29.02 | Batomys | Got a link to a particular one? |
| 04:30.57 | AlphA_VsT | open a decal model change the texture export it back out to a m3 |
| 04:31.04 | AlphA_VsT | set up new decal in game |
| 04:32.57 | AlphA_VsT | not complex really, would be easier if we had the real tools to do so |
| 04:33.05 | AlphA_VsT | I wish they would release the mod tools now :( |
| 04:33.09 | AlphA_VsT | they are ready :( |
| 04:33.22 | Batomys | What are you using to change textre/export it? Is that a separate program? |
| 04:34.19 | AlphA_VsT | you need 3dsmax, the nin tools from sc2 mapster |
| 04:34.42 | AlphA_VsT | you need a image editing program that support the file format |
| 04:34.49 | AlphA_VsT | gimp does whihc is free |
| 04:35.09 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! haha i forgot to set the variable silly me |
| 04:38.19 | AlphA_VsT | Calling Variable - Set Point Data.PointUnitatPoint[PickedRandom] = (Last created unit) when it should of been Variable - Set Point Data.PointUnitatPoint[Point Data.RandomRegionReferance[PickedRandom]] = (Last created unit) |
| 04:38.22 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 04:38.50 | AlphA_VsT | fucking confusing shit |
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| 05:18.46 | Kueken | Morning |
| 05:19.36 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 05:20.17 | AlphA_VsT | this color converter still isnt working when it should :( |
| 05:31.15 | JademusSreg | Pew |
| 05:31.18 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 05:32.11 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 05:32.17 | AlphA_VsT | im frustrated :( |
| 05:32.25 | JademusSreg | Why so? |
| 05:32.28 | AlphA_VsT | no reason this shouldn't work |
| 05:32.32 | AlphA_VsT | but its not :P |
| 05:32.34 | JademusSreg | Show me. |
| 05:32.44 | AlphA_VsT | i copied it from my old map which works :9 |
| 05:34.45 | AlphA_VsT | probably have an error i jsut don't know where |
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| 05:35.14 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.15 | AlphA_VsT | that works |
| 05:35.18 | JademusSreg | *Definitely |
| 05:35.26 | AlphA_VsT | and this does not |
| 05:35.26 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.37 | AlphA_VsT | ops |
| 05:35.41 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.46 | AlphA_VsT | that doesnt work :p |
| 05:36.10 | AlphA_VsT | but it should so I am probably not calling the correct region |
| 05:36.39 | AlphA_VsT | but the region is the same values that it is set up to be in the original file 0.o |
| 05:42.40 | AlphA_VsT | I wouldn't even begin to know how to let someone understand what was happening even if I showed them the trigger for it :P |
| 05:47.34 | Kueken | Did you try to print the actual actor message before sending it? |
| 05:47.41 | Kueken | maybe you can see the problem already |
| 05:47.46 | JademusSreg | I wonder if a unit's radius is evaluated when detecting if a unit is in a region. |
| 05:48.20 | Kueken | If I remember correctly, it is. |
| 05:53.30 | AlphA_VsT | i know the actor message works :P |
| 05:53.51 | AlphA_VsT | i just don't know if its properly being set to the correct actor :D |
| 05:57.01 | AlphA_VsT | i do see that I am calling a variable 11 times and in the oringal i only call it 7 |
| 05:57.02 | AlphA_VsT | hmmm |
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| 06:06.48 | AlphA_VsT | think i found it :d |
| 06:09.46 | AlphA_VsT | testing :D |
| 06:10.10 | AlphA_VsT | i think it was cause I was in a rush I didn't realize a slight difference in the function |
| 06:15.23 | AlphA_VsT | grrrr |
| 06:16.19 | JademusSreg | "RegionRandomPoint attempts to find a random point somewhere within the region. For regions containing only a single positive shape, this is guaranteed to work, but for more complex sets of shapes it may give up after a maximum number of tries and return (0, 0)." |
| 06:16.30 | JademusSreg | That is hilarious. |
| 06:18.25 | AlphA_VsT | yeah 0.o |
| 06:19.35 | AlphA_VsT | its like why even put in something that people wanted, but have it so worthless |
| 06:19.38 | AlphA_VsT | such a tease |
| 06:19.56 | Currydevil | Yay for distance discrepancies between the top and bottom edge of the map bounds =( |
| 06:20.04 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 06:20.36 | Currydevil | Sec |
| 06:21.35 | Currydevil | Turning on the large grid and counting in 5 cross sections diagonally from each corner ... the bottom has more room inside the map bounds than the top does. |
| 06:21.55 | Currydevil | Now I have to take that into account. whooopie |
| 06:22.30 | JademusSreg | I don't see the issue. |
| 06:22.37 | AlphA_VsT | you know why? becasue the camera shows more of the top :P |
| 06:22.47 | Currydevil | there isn't if i star measuring from the middle rather than the outside corners. |
| 06:23.01 | Currydevil | the points i put in the corners are too close to the bounds at the top of the map |
| 06:23.12 | AlphA_VsT | what are you trying to do? |
| 06:23.15 | Currydevil | whereas the bottom edge has plenty of room around the points i made |
| 06:23.37 | Currydevil | I just have to re measure and count from the middle going outwards |
| 06:23.44 | AlphA_VsT | why? |
| 06:23.46 | Currydevil | if i want them to be evenly spread |
| 06:24.05 | Currydevil | because ... I like symmetry with my points. |
| 06:24.09 | JademusSreg | I still don't grasp the problem. |
| 06:24.15 | JademusSreg | But just move the camera bounds. |
| 06:24.21 | AlphA_VsT | i know right |
| 06:24.53 | Currydevil | because it makes it more tedious. There is no problem. I'm just ranting. |
| 06:25.04 | Currydevil | </rant> |
| 06:25.39 | JademusSreg | Map -> Map Bounds -> fix the camera bounds to be symmetrical. |
| 06:26.25 | Currydevil | That's too easy. I must keep baning my head until i find the hardest way to fix the problem. |
| 06:26.29 | Currydevil | banging* |
| 06:26.39 | AlphA_VsT | that is stupid |
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| 06:27.33 | Currydevil | </sarcasm> |
| 06:28.25 | JademusSreg | Where were you being sarcastic? |
| 06:28.28 | Currydevil | It is quite obvious to me now, I think less clearly after 9 hours on my feet ringing in people's groceries all day. But my feet feel good now. |
| 06:28.48 | Currydevil | The comment about it being too easy to adjust the camera and wanting to do it the hard way. |
| 06:29.01 | JademusSreg | Yes. I was counterjesting. |
| 06:29.09 | Currydevil | Touche. |
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| 06:30.38 | Currydevil | But it's fixed now, thank you for clearing the fog. =P |
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| 06:32.49 | Currydevil | Minimap is black now though. |
| 06:33.19 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 06:35.51 | AlphA_VsT | why is it black? |
| 06:36.02 | AlphA_VsT | did you set fow? |
| 06:37.05 | Currydevil | no. I don't know why it's black. |
| 06:37.14 | Currydevil | Trigger is granting vision of the entire map. |
| 06:37.22 | AlphA_VsT | are you sure? |
| 06:37.23 | Currydevil | it happened after i changed the camera bounds =O |
| 06:37.27 | Currydevil | Yessir. |
| 06:38.21 | JademusSreg | Try reloading the map. |
| 06:39.04 | AlphA_VsT | fuck me my points are not fading to colors correctly still :9 |
| 06:39.05 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 06:39.20 | AlphA_VsT | might redo this whole trigger fuck |
| 06:39.53 | AlphA_VsT | needs to be optimized anyways :p |
| 06:40.24 | AlphA_VsT | http://pastebin.com/zXJpGvGc <--- the function :D |
| 06:41.11 | JademusSreg | Alright. That is a mess. No way I could bear to read that. |
| 06:41.27 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 06:41.56 | AlphA_VsT | its way less readable when its not in the editor :p |
| 06:42.06 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah |
| 06:42.08 | Currydevil | hah |
| 06:42.20 | Currydevil | I have one somewhere that looks like that |
| 06:42.23 | AlphA_VsT | i mean it works... i am jsut not getting the fades |
| 06:44.09 | AlphA_VsT | I have to get this sorted though haha |
| 06:45.04 | AlphA_VsT | i guess i could do it better and aviod all the selecting of units and shit |
| 06:45.34 | AlphA_VsT | becasue i select units in that like 8 times |
| 06:45.41 | AlphA_VsT | every .0625 seconds :D |
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| 06:49.36 | AlphA_VsT | hmm yes I will redo it |
| 06:49.40 | AlphA_VsT | it needs it |
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| 06:55.52 | JademusSreg | I wonder what native point RegionGetOffset (region r); does. |
| 06:56.36 | AlphA_VsT | what is region r? |
| 06:56.48 | JademusSreg | It's the function's parameter. |
| 06:57.16 | JademusSreg | I'm curious about it's purpose. |
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| 06:59.25 | JademusSreg | RegionRandomPoint, RegionGetBoundsMin, RegionGetBoundsMax, RegionGetCenter all return points, so with that functionality available, it's not clear what RegionGetOffset does. |
| 07:01.42 | AlphA_VsT | yeah no idea |
| 07:05.10 | Currydevil | Camera bounds the yellow dashed line or the blue line? |
| 07:06.51 | JademusSreg | The camera is bounded within the yellow line. |
| 07:06.59 | JademusSreg | The pathing is bounded within the blue line. |
| 07:07.11 | JademusSreg | The camera bounds controls both of these. |
| 07:07.19 | Currydevil | ok, thought so. |
| 07:07.35 | JademusSreg | The pathing bound buffer is defined in the Game UI or Gameplay data. |
| 07:14.59 | AlphA_VsT | really? |
| 07:15.02 | AlphA_VsT | awesome |
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| 07:31.05 | Thetubbygoat | WHADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 07:31.14 | AlphA_VsT | so apprently the function to change colros is not being called :D |
| 07:34.04 | Thetubbygoat | luhhhgiiiitttt |
| 07:40.36 | Kueken | well, he definitely had a message to deliver |
| 07:40.53 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 07:40.55 | AlphA_VsT | sure he did |
| 07:41.17 | AlphA_VsT | im trying to figgure out why my condtions are not beinig meet :P |
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| 07:46.28 | AlphA_VsT | OH YAY! |
| 07:46.30 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK ME! |
| 07:50.07 | AlphA_VsT | silly how it was a seemingly unrelated action that was fucking shit up |
| 07:52.03 | AlphA_VsT | whew |
| 07:52.13 | AlphA_VsT | dont have to recreate that trigger right now |
| 07:52.30 | Currydevil | hah |
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| 07:56.55 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
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| 08:12.24 | AlphA_VsT | now to make my zombies attack the points and take them over :D |
| 08:12.26 | AlphA_VsT | yay |
| 08:12.53 | Currydevil | zombie fun |
| 08:13.19 | Currydevil | http://imgur.com/tgvmx basic layout for a control point style map. the dark circles are going to be the points. |
| 08:14.33 | AlphA_VsT | lol seriosuly :D |
| 08:14.43 | AlphA_VsT | you know that's pretty much what my game is :D |
| 08:15.38 | AlphA_VsT | http://i56.tinypic.com/351egip.jpg hey look control point :D |
| 08:16.31 | Currydevil | terrain is rockin |
| 08:16.36 | Currydevil | but mine is going to be pvp |
| 08:16.42 | AlphA_VsT | yeah :P |
| 08:17.06 | AlphA_VsT | i could make mine pvp but really 0.o |
| 08:17.10 | Currydevil | haha |
| 08:17.18 | Currydevil | well, I made one a looong time ago for sc. |
| 08:17.32 | Currydevil | you capped points be having the most units near it for your team |
| 08:17.38 | AlphA_VsT | yeah :P |
| 08:17.41 | Currydevil | but, i'm going to improve much on the concept |
| 08:17.57 | Currydevil | and you either capped all 10 or whatever, or have the most when timer runs out obv |
| 08:18.04 | AlphA_VsT | this is more of a arcade type game... |
| 08:18.31 | Currydevil | I am intrigued by the terrain. simple, yet sweet |
| 08:18.36 | AlphA_VsT | every game is different |
| 08:18.43 | Currydevil | oo cool. |
| 08:18.51 | Currydevil | so are the walls doodads then? |
| 08:18.54 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 08:18.58 | Currydevil | cool cool |
| 08:19.12 | AlphA_VsT | randomly generated :P |
| 08:19.27 | AlphA_VsT | i need to improve the generator eventually |
| 08:19.34 | Currydevil | everyone together or can they go seperate ways? |
| 08:20.00 | AlphA_VsT | you can go different ways, its based on team work though :P |
| 08:20.06 | Currydevil | ah |
| 08:20.21 | Currydevil | Is the bunker shareable by all players? |
| 08:21.21 | AlphA_VsT | its not a "bunker" its your outpost where you revive and such |
| 08:21.43 | Currydevil | Ohh ok |
| 08:22.06 | AlphA_VsT | can only have 1 |
| 08:22.35 | Currydevil | Ah, hence the teamwork |
| 08:23.07 | AlphA_VsT | i really recommend playing the game i based it off of :D |
| 08:23.30 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.indiebird.com/blog/?page_id=376 |
| 08:25.15 | Currydevil | Looks fun |
| 08:26.26 | AlphA_VsT | it is |
| 08:27.58 | AlphA_VsT | But yeah :D |
| 08:31.50 | Currydevil | Ah, time for bed. |
| 08:34.34 | JademusSreg | I wonder if anyone has written a function for diagonal/diamond regions. |
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| 08:39.27 | AlphA_VsT | how would you even? |
| 08:40.37 | JademusSreg | Pretty simple, in principle. |
| 08:42.29 | AlphA_VsT | you would have to create a shit ton of neg regions |
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| 08:42.45 | Mexa_ | Not really |
| 08:42.50 | AlphA_VsT | which would probably break the region |
| 08:43.16 | AlphA_VsT | well you cant just rotate a region 0.o |
| 08:43.24 | Mexa_ | You'd compare the unit's coordinate with 4 linear equations, representing the sides of the region. |
| 08:43.30 | Mexa_ | Not that hard |
| 08:43.51 | JademusSreg | Well, a unit is not a necessary component. |
| 08:43.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:44.06 | AlphA_VsT | well that really is not a real region :D |
| 08:45.22 | JademusSreg | To create a diagonal region, you'd create rect regions to populate the area. Fairly simple. |
| 08:45.41 | Mexa_ | Consider it being 2 vectors from a given point which is strapping up a plane. |
| 08:46.18 | Mexa_ | Jademus, wasn't that inefficient then? |
| 08:46.19 | JademusSreg | Of course, you'd want to have the function take a fixed precision argument to determine how fine you want the edge. |
| 08:47.43 | AlphA_VsT | uh huh |
| 08:47.46 | JademusSreg | Of course it's inefficient, but it would be a region. Which is arguably better than making an entire system to deal with vector abstractions just to have diagonal regions. |
| 08:48.02 | Mexa_ | Perhaps |
| 08:48.07 | AlphA_VsT | it would :P |
| 08:48.25 | Mexa_ | vector abstractions would never return a point(0, 0) nevertheless. |
| 08:48.34 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 08:48.49 | JademusSreg | The rest of the API doesn't take vectors, Mexa. =D |
| 08:49.08 | Mexa_ | Well, one could use points for it |
| 08:49.12 | AlphA_VsT | I could modify my generator pretty easy to do that but i wont |
| 08:49.14 | Mexa_ | Or just make a custom system |
| 08:49.19 | AlphA_VsT | cause well i have important things to finish |
| 08:50.19 | Mexa_ | I'm going to bed for the morning. |
| 08:50.22 | JademusSreg | Anyway, since we know that point precision equals fixed precision, we can define region diagonal edges to the very limit. |
| 08:50.23 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 08:51.12 | Mexa_ | aight |
| 08:51.20 | Mexa_ | Laters! |
| 08:51.36 | JademusSreg | So a diamond region function could take a precision value to the limit of 1/4096, and you'd get a perfect edge. |
| 08:51.56 | Mexa_ | That's accurate enough |
| 08:52.29 | JademusSreg | Of course, you'd have a lot of phases, filling in all those rects. But it would work. |
| 08:52.42 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 08:52.52 | AlphA_VsT | i dont think you would ever need it to be that perfect |
| 08:53.07 | JademusSreg | Haha, quite. |
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| 08:53.49 | AlphA_VsT | im sure all you would really need is a a full cell |
| 08:54.11 | AlphA_VsT | which would be a lot easier to do :P |
| 08:54.23 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 08:54.26 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 08:54.35 | JademusSreg | A precision of 1 wouldn't exactly be precise. |
| 08:54.59 | JademusSreg | But if you don't need precision, it would suffice. |
| 08:56.37 | AlphA_VsT | it would make it easier to position the regions :D |
| 08:57.05 | AlphA_VsT | they jsut really need to add suport for my region shapes |
| 08:57.14 | AlphA_VsT | thats what it comes down to |
| 08:57.22 | Helral|Work | what shapes? ;p |
| 08:58.00 | AlphA_VsT | hexagons and diamond |
| 08:58.08 | AlphA_VsT | and things like that |
| 08:58.30 | JademusSreg | Same principle. |
| 08:58.57 | AlphA_VsT | no, you shouldn't have to have some crazy workaround for such things |
| 08:59.41 | JademusSreg | I expect SC2 doesn't support more vector-oriented stuff because no one thought of it. |
| 09:01.00 | JademusSreg | And prescribing shoulds and shouldn'ts don't accomplish one's ends. |
| 09:01.21 | JademusSreg | You work with the tools available. |
| 09:01.29 | AlphA_VsT | Oh i know, but it is something simple that just seems to have been forgotten |
| 09:01.37 | AlphA_VsT | because what we have is good enough |
| 09:02.20 | JademusSreg | Of course. I could go on endlessly about all the stuff that could enrich custom content, but it makes no difference. |
| 09:02.29 | AlphA_VsT | because if it's in the editor it means they had a reason to have it for creating the game, not because it could possible be used at some point |
| 09:02.42 | AlphA_VsT | I know, I am just saying :D |
| 09:02.46 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 09:04.13 | AlphA_VsT | but then it's easy to overlook things when you don't have a need for them |
| 09:06.24 | JademusSreg | Vector regions and water would have been nice. |
| 09:06.52 | AlphA_VsT | what do you mean by water? |
| 09:06.58 | AlphA_VsT | like real water? :P |
| 09:07.29 | JademusSreg | I mean vector-based water, rather than this ridiculous tiled water. |
| 09:08.04 | JademusSreg | iirc, contemporary C&C games used vector-based water. |
| 09:08.35 | JademusSreg | You define a set of points in any arbitrary shape, very convenient. |
| 09:09.57 | AlphA_VsT | oh yeah ok :D |
| 09:10.54 | AlphA_VsT | the water tiles do suck balls |
| 09:11.33 | A1win | JademusSreg, my space arcade idea is starting to get bloated :| I'm thinking of making it defensive co-op and combining it with my mech rpg upgrade/inventory system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEm7F7T309Q |
| 09:12.17 | A1win | the good thing is that the system is already in place so that wouldn't take too much extra work... it's just the enemies and AI that I'd have to create |
| 09:13.09 | AlphA_VsT | awwwww |
| 09:13.15 | A1win | but might still be too much :x |
| 09:14.15 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 09:16.55 | AlphA_VsT | take out some things :D |
| 09:17.39 | A1win | like what D: |
| 09:18.08 | A1win | well I suppose if I just go for a simple co-op defense at first |
| 09:18.17 | A1win | one type of enemy |
| 09:18.29 | A1win | see how it is... then expand if it's good |
| 09:19.40 | A1win | however, I have a time limit :S |
| 09:19.44 | A1win | rumor says it's till april 17 |
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| 09:21.52 | AlphA_VsT | what is april 17? |
| 09:22.08 | A1win | some rumors of diablo 3 release ;p |
| 09:22.12 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 09:22.18 | AlphA_VsT | never got into beta :9 |
| 09:22.49 | Helral|Work | around this time of year, the rumors would usually be april 1st ;p |
| 09:22.58 | A1win | hehe |
| 09:23.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 09:23.15 | Helral|Work | would be funny as hell if a company said that and then does release it at that date. |
| 09:23.15 | A1win | yeah dunno if that's true, but anyway |
| 09:23.25 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 09:23.39 | Helral|Work | everyone thinking it is an april fools joke, while it isn't.... |
| 09:23.46 | AlphA_VsT | diablo 4 coming April first :D |
| 09:23.54 | A1win | might risk some people buying it on release date :P |
| 09:24.11 | Helral|Work | SC2:HotS coming april 1st ;p |
| 09:24.29 | AlphA_VsT | new blizzard mmo apirl first :D |
| 09:24.59 | AlphA_VsT | going to be at least another year before we hear what it is :( |
| 09:25.04 | AlphA_VsT | no blizzcon QQ |
| 09:25.17 | AlphA_VsT | I was really hoping it would be this year lol |
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| 09:29.03 | AlphA_VsT | ok |
| 09:33.15 | JademusSreg | Time for sleep. |
| 09:36.10 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 09:36.25 | AlphA_VsT | I'm almost done cleaning shit up |
| 09:46.09 | Kueken | Try a diaper next time |
| 09:47.12 | AlphA_VsT | ... |
| 09:47.15 | AlphA_VsT | no in my map |
| 09:47.16 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 09:47.42 | AlphA_VsT | of course i somehow just broke something :( |
| 09:51.49 | AlphA_VsT | and i see no reason for it gah |
| 09:53.24 | AlphA_VsT | oh i had the colors set thingy set hahahaha |
| 10:01.38 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 10:06.03 | HP-X|Arthas | fuck |
| 10:06.15 | HP-X|Arthas | Ive forgot to feed the kitten for 6 months |
| 10:06.21 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 10:06.47 | HP-X|Arthas | carefully approaches Helral|Work |
| 10:06.53 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 10:06.55 | HP-X|Arthas | pets Helral|Work |
| 10:07.49 | HP-X|Arthas | puts the weekly dose with 1 box of laserpointers * 6 months infront of it..... and walks away |
| 10:08.12 | Helral|Work | enjoys the laserpen supply. |
| 10:08.31 | Helral|Work | forgives HP-X|Arthas |
| 10:08.33 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 10:10.22 | HP-X|Arthas | <3 |
| 10:10.29 | HP-X|Arthas | is leaving for work |
| 10:19.46 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
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| 10:25.16 | RipperRoo | helral work.. pffff |
| 10:25.31 | Helral|Work | RipperRoo: you leaking air? ;p |
| 10:25.41 | RipperRoo | no :D |
| 10:25.46 | RipperRoo | do you ? :p |
| 10:25.53 | Helral|Work | did sound like that.... you went pffff |
| 10:31.38 | RipperRoo | lol |
| 10:34.59 | AlphA_VsT | "D |
| 10:34.59 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 10:35.00 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 10:35.01 | AlphA_VsT | yay i improved my game a lot for performance so far :D |
| 10:35.01 | AlphA_VsT | i got it running at over 60 fps right now |
| 10:35.02 | AlphA_VsT | yay |
| 10:35.38 | AlphA_VsT | updated my thread for some awesoem new feature to it |
| 10:35.40 | AlphA_VsT | so sexy |
| 10:38.01 | Helral|Work | a wait(0.0)? |
| 10:38.07 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 10:38.10 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 10:38.13 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 10:38.29 | AlphA_VsT | its actually running off of a timer now :P |
| 10:38.51 | AlphA_VsT | and i add a point to the map once the timer expires and restart the thread :P |
| 10:40.26 | AlphA_VsT | now if only i can get the zombies to attack and capture points again :D |
| 10:40.47 | AlphA_VsT | my debugs are not triggering ever :( |
| 10:46.18 | Kueken | evil debugs they are |
| 10:46.30 | Helral|Work | pets the debugs |
| 10:53.35 | AlphA_VsT | lol no stupid map |
| 10:53.36 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 10:53.47 | Helral|Work | pets the stupid map |
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| 10:54.50 | AlphA_VsT | its not a stupid map |
| 10:55.00 | AlphA_VsT | i just dont know why it's not setting this variable |
| 10:55.51 | AlphA_VsT | OH! |
| 10:56.06 | Kueken | stupid developer then? |
| 10:56.24 | Helral|Work | pets the stupid developer. |
| 10:56.26 | Kueken | pets stupid AlphA_VsT |
| 10:57.02 | AlphA_VsT | HELPS IF I ADD THE PLAYER TO THE PLAYER GROUP! |
| 10:57.08 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 10:57.44 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 10:57.53 | AlphA_VsT | OH LOOKS! |
| 10:57.58 | Kueken | now you're making crazy assumptions |
| 10:58.00 | AlphA_VsT | EVERYTHING is going off now |
| 10:58.06 | Kueken | out of desparation |
| 10:58.23 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 10:58.33 | AlphA_VsT | i was not actually |
| 10:58.56 | Kueken | you sure? |
| 10:59.26 | AlphA_VsT | it works now that i added the player to the player group |
| 10:59.27 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 10:59.56 | Kueken | you know, that I am trolling you, right? |
| 11:00.14 | Helral|Work | pets the troll |
| 11:00.17 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 11:00.26 | Kueken | just making sure |
| 11:04.58 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 11:05.18 | AlphA_VsT | few bugs few changes |
| 11:05.23 | AlphA_VsT | then I can add missions :D |
| 11:05.26 | AlphA_VsT | and the banks |
| 11:05.34 | AlphA_VsT | and then i just have to fix up a few textures |
| 11:05.47 | AlphA_VsT | and I will relase once i make a video :P |
| 11:07.06 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
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| 11:14.37 | AlphA_VsT | two days to do it :D |
| 11:14.47 | AlphA_VsT | hopefully people will like the beta version |
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| 13:14.57 | Stealthass | AlphA_VsT: what map are you working on? |
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| 16:43.32 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 16:46.15 | Dustin | I go to workin. |
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| 16:55.31 | Ashamed | work SUCKZ |
| 17:08.21 | Mexa_ | Evevnin'! |
| 17:08.51 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
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| 17:57.56 | `Nardival | Hey |
| 17:58.12 | `Nardival | I seem to have a problem within triggers, where setting a dialog item tooltip doesn't work? |
| 17:58.16 | `Nardival | Buttons can't have tooltips? |
| 17:59.24 | JademusSreg | They can. |
| 17:59.34 | JademusSreg | Show me the trigger. |
| 17:59.57 | JademusSreg | By which I mean pastebin, not a screenshot. =D |
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| 18:02.38 | Mexa_ | Sc2mapster should have trigger notation like they have on hiverworkshop for triggers |
| 18:02.43 | Mexa_ | Those are very convenient |
| 18:03.48 | JademusSreg | I imagined it did, but then I wouldn't know. Something like that would probably need to be authorized by the folks at Curse. |
| 18:06.05 | `Nardival | Here ya go Jademus. |
| 18:06.06 | `Nardival | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=2808 |
| 18:07.10 | `Nardival | This is the Record - http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=2809 |
| 18:07.10 | JademusSreg | Last Created anything is the bane of my existence. |
| 18:07.59 | JademusSreg | Is the struct array description value initialized before the trigger is called? |
| 18:08.55 | `Nardival | Yeah, that was the first thing I checked. Everything runs in order, as it should. |
| 18:09.33 | `Nardival | Ahh nevermind. Realised the issue. |
| 18:09.55 | `Nardival | When setting up records, I added another variable to it. And that has for some reason, reset all the indices I had used previously. |
| 18:10.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes, I heard about that problem a year or so ago. |
| 18:10.19 | JademusSreg | GUI is poop. |
| 18:10.50 | `Nardival | Well, learning takes time and I'm quite happy to progress with my map using GUI, even though taking a hammer computer will be more efficient :'( |
| 18:14.44 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:14.58 | JademusSreg | People over-estimate the difficulty of learning a scripting language. |
| 18:19.02 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: this clip has some nice audio-ambiance. http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/little-unit-big-map/ |
| 18:22.54 | Mexa_ | It's nice, but too repeditive |
| 18:23.09 | JademusSreg | You're too nice. |
| 18:23.11 | Mexa_ | Ï wish the ambence sequence was abit longer |
| 18:24.16 | Mexa_ | Was I? I thought you weren't being sarcastic. |
| 18:25.04 | JademusSreg | You said "It's nice". |
| 18:25.16 | Mexa_ | :p |
| 18:25.39 | Mexa_ | But as did you |
| 18:26.19 | JademusSreg | If you respect your fellow designers and devs, you have to respect them enough to kick them in the testicles/ovaries if the situation calls for it. |
| 18:26.57 | Mexa_ | Ah. |
| 18:26.57 | JademusSreg | Oh, you were also only refering to the music. |
| 18:26.59 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:27.05 | Mexa_ | Yes I did:P |
| 18:27.09 | JademusSreg | In that case, we agree. |
| 18:27.24 | JademusSreg | But you're still too nice. |
| 18:27.40 | Mexa_ | That's me in a nutshell. |
| 18:28.58 | Mexa_ | I'm heading over to a friend of mine. We'll talk later! |
| 18:29.28 | JademusSreg | If someone has, say, an out of control drug habit, it would be silly (but comical) to try and put a positive spin on it, like "Look at all that junk you've mainlined. That must be some sort of record. Great job not overdosing." |
| 18:29.29 | A1win | perfect chance of practising not being too nice |
| 18:30.27 | JademusSreg | But if you respect that person, you wouldn't patronize them. You'd call the junkie a junkie and tell that asshole to get clean. |
| 18:31.28 | Mexa_ | Jademus, depends if you respect his choice of going that path, I guess. |
| 18:32.26 | Mexa_ | Personally, I rarely give criticism and opinions for the matter that I am or might be too nice, and does not express me very well nor have any opinion at the time being. |
| 18:32.41 | Mexa_ | So either that I'm too nice, or too neutral |
| 18:32.46 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's a weasel-like semantic play. Even if you respect the autonomy of an individual, that does not translate to a respect of objectively bad choices. |
| 18:34.27 | Mexa_ | Well, it reminds me of what Frozenbyte said about piracy in relation to SOPA. They said "while we don't support piracy we support the right for you to choose". |
| 18:34.30 | JademusSreg | I am similarly neutral, with regards to sentiments toward people. I criticize because I enjoy criticizing, but it's my responsibility to direct it productively, which means defining principles that govern criticism. |
| 18:35.40 | Mexa_ | Mmm, sounds reasonable |
| 18:36.09 | Mexa_ | The part about directing it productively. |
| 18:38.17 | Mexa_ | And another reason why I probably isn't criticising that often, is that I mostly tend to write something which may or may not make sense, without thinking first what I should say. |
| 18:38.39 | Mexa_ | Also me in a nutshell kind of: jumping into conclusion without care:p |
| 18:38.46 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:39.31 | Mexa_ | Hmm, but now I need to go |
| 18:39.51 | Mexa_ | Friend is waiting, but seeya later! |
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| 18:57.21 | Taintedwisp | Okay guys i am doing a New experiment, its safe to say that RPG in the name does nothing. |
| 18:58.35 | Taintedwisp | So, What im going to do Is try to Hype up the next map built by my team and I, By going to in-game chatchannels asking for suggestions, Asking Top Broadcasters over twitter, And asking for advice on Custom game Forums. |
| 18:58.39 | Taintedwisp | What you guys think? |
| 18:59.31 | A1win | I think you should make a good map, and people will play it |
| 18:59.32 | `Nardival | What do we think about you thinking about asking what others think? |
| 18:59.41 | `Nardival | I don't know, maybe I need to think about it a bit more. |
| 19:01.00 | JademusSreg | I concur with A1. |
| 19:01.22 | Taintedwisp | A1win, That has been proven false, Not by my map, But by some of the amazing maps from others that stay at page 100... with the crap(my mini chop farms) |
| 19:02.28 | A1win | opinions are subjective |
| 19:02.31 | JademusSreg | Focus group polling might be an effective advertisement if its core gameplay is good, but since first impressions have disproportionate weight on one's evaluations, a bad test can have negative consequences. |
| 19:02.59 | A1win | I doubt the "amazing maps" at page 100 are truly amazing |
| 19:03.15 | Taintedwisp | Well what I am saying is that they are much better then the top 10 current maps |
| 19:03.25 | A1win | they might be more polished than the maps on the first page, but they might lack something that makes them fun to play |
| 19:03.48 | A1win | or even if some of them are better, it doesn't necessarily make them "good" |
| 19:03.53 | `Nardival | You'd be much better off finding a reliable audience and player base. |
| 19:04.26 | `Nardival | Create forums, development diaries, a standalone .com website. Build a community around your map before it's release, update heavily and advertise during beta, and go mad at launch. |
| 19:04.29 | Taintedwisp | Well The point of this is really just kind of to see if the current popularity system has an Achillies heel, and since we are getting something new soon, I wanted to see If I could break this one first :D |
| 19:04.32 | A1win | for example, I don't play any custom maps because I can just play games made by professionals instead |
| 19:04.35 | `Nardival | Then hope it's good enough to hold everyones attention. |
| 19:05.40 | Taintedwisp | Well the map we are developing has a large fanbase, so I have found out. |
| 19:05.54 | Taintedwisp | Because its an evolves variation. |
| 19:06.23 | A1win | well this might be the wrong place to ask such questions, I'd say focus on making a good map instead of focusing on how to get more attention |
| 19:06.30 | `Nardival | So? It'll appeal to the niche or mass audience of people who really want to play Evolves. |
| 19:06.37 | A1win | but then again, I've never made any money by game development |
| 19:06.47 | Taintedwisp | I dont want to make money :D |
| 19:06.48 | `Nardival | Make it exactly the same as Evolves, people will get bored and disapointed because they expected more. |
| 19:07.10 | `Nardival | Make it better with new features, better polish, balance, achievements, progress, banked scoreboards etc - and a lot more will play it. |
| 19:07.15 | A1win | Taintedwisp, it's related to gaining attention |
| 19:08.13 | Taintedwisp | Makes sense, I'm only doing this while its another teammates turn to work :D |
| 19:08.22 | Taintedwisp | Cause I got nothing better to do. |
| 19:08.26 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:08.41 | A1win | I just meant that I've never sought to gain a fanbase for my maps or games, because I care more about making an interesting game than gaining a following who plays it |
| 19:09.21 | Taintedwisp | Eh, I want a little of both, I want a good game, that I can actually get people to play, all that I'm really hoping for is like page 3. lol |
| 19:10.27 | A1win | using psychology to achieve that just feels like cheating, so I don't support it ;p |
| 19:10.59 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:11.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442ccc3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.44.204.59) |
| 19:11.15 | Bounty | Hay Guyz >< |
| 19:11.26 | Taintedwisp | Eh, it interest me to find out what others are thinking, like bounty is thinking he hates his life LAWL |
| 19:11.34 | Taintedwisp | ZIng |
| 19:11.36 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:11.39 | Bounty | GEWD ONE BRAH |
| 19:11.43 | Bounty | i dont hate my life |
| 19:11.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:11.49 | Taintedwisp | bout damn time |
| 19:11.57 | Taintedwisp | Nah whats up |
| 19:12.00 | Bounty | i was just arguing with jademussreg |
| 19:12.01 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:12.04 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:12.05 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
| 19:12.43 | Bounty | I'm awaiting my brain to enter map mode |
| 19:12.47 | Bounty | so that i may work on my map |
| 19:13.05 | Taintedwisp | My brain is on experimentations mode |
| 19:13.09 | Bounty | I would like to have my brain enter said mode for once without requiring the assistance of alcohol |
| 19:13.23 | Taintedwisp | its 2 pm.. |
| 19:13.24 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:13.37 | Bounty | Well i mean |
| 19:13.44 | Taintedwisp | Well I guess like my bro always says you cant drink all day if you dont start early |
| 19:13.50 | Bounty | i have not worked on my current map at any point in its development while sober lol |
| 19:13.56 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:14.22 | Bounty | I'm like a rockstar |
| 19:14.30 | Bounty | You always come up with the best stuff trashed |
| 19:14.43 | Bounty | Or you come into this IRC and get into a 2 hour arguement with JademusSreg |
| 19:14.49 | Bounty | Its a risk |
| 19:14.49 | Taintedwisp | Nah, when im wasted I just keep talking about alcohal |
| 19:14.54 | Bounty | but ill take it |
| 19:15.02 | Bounty | i used to do taht when i was like 16 |
| 19:15.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:15.08 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:15.21 | Taintedwisp | Well I cant help it when I get drunk... theres always Four Horsemen |
| 19:15.32 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 19:15.33 | Taintedwisp | JACK JIM JOHNNIE AND JAMESON |
| 19:15.40 | JademusSreg | In my experience, illicit drugs and alcohol are employed by the creative types to overcome their inhibitions, like over-thinking shit. |
| 19:16.01 | Bounty | hence why i drink |
| 19:16.05 | Bounty | i mean honestly |
| 19:16.08 | JademusSreg | But getting trashed can be counter-productive; you want to be functional. |
| 19:16.14 | Bounty | if i didnt have a son i would be doing much better drugs than alcohol |
| 19:16.16 | Taintedwisp | In my experience People drink because they hate thier life... |
| 19:16.17 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:16.25 | Bounty | but alcohol is the only drug ur allowed to do when u have a child present |
| 19:16.33 | Bounty | i agree jademussreg |
| 19:16.42 | Bounty | i try to keep a buzz |
| 19:16.43 | Bounty | not get drunk |
| 19:16.53 | Bounty | when i get drunk it could take me about 4 hours to make a trigger |
| 19:16.56 | A1win | I don't do either at all :x |
| 19:16.57 | Bounty | lolo |
| 19:17.11 | Bounty | yer missin out |
| 19:17.20 | Bounty | Being buzzed is the best way to map |
| 19:17.24 | Taintedwisp | I cant do it, I'm not big on alcohol... Only a few times a year... |
| 19:17.25 | Bounty | key word is buzzed though |
| 19:17.39 | Bounty | drunk... i agree with jademus, u cant really fuction well when drunk |
| 19:17.45 | Taintedwisp | Buzzed is just the drunk who thinks hes good to drive |
| 19:17.47 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 19:17.48 | JademusSreg | Taint asserts people drink because those people are dissatisfied with life; Taint has previously mentioned his own experience drinking; Thus, Taint is dissatisfied with his life. |
| 19:18.05 | Bounty | I wont drive even after having 1 drink Taintedwisp |
| 19:18.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:18.10 | Taintedwisp | Yes I am Dissatisfied with my life but onyl about 4 times a year lol |
| 19:18.37 | JademusSreg | Must be tough for him, living near Charolette, NC. |
| 19:18.38 | A1win | three months in a row |
| 19:18.39 | Bounty | drinking to feel better about your life is such a bad idea lol |
| 19:20.00 | Bounty | namsayin |
| 19:20.08 | Bounty | I mean honestly |
| 19:20.19 | JademusSreg | Though I must wonder what could be so uniquely awful about his life such that the young North Carolinian feels he must drink away the demons. |
| 19:20.22 | A1win | I sometimes get buzzed *by* mapping |
| 19:20.37 | Bounty | If anyone here who has seen my maps doesnt believe that i'm always drunk when mapping, well you're not doing it right |
| 19:20.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp_ (adbcced6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.188.206.214) |
| 19:20.49 | Taintedwisp_ | Im back Computer is a peice of shit |
| 19:20.57 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:21.03 | Taintedwisp_ | Power cord came unpluged and it diededededed |
| 19:21.13 | Bounty | You cant drink away demons JademusSreg lol |
| 19:21.22 | Bounty | one bad thought pops into your head |
| 19:21.28 | Taintedwisp_ | Uhhh the drink is the demon... |
| 19:21.30 | Bounty | its like acid |
| 19:21.31 | JademusSreg | [14:18:47] <JademusSreg> Must be tough for him, living near Charolette, NC. |
| 19:21.31 | JademusSreg | [14:20:29] <JademusSreg> Though I must wonder what could be so uniquely awful about his life such that the young North Carolinian feels he must drink away the demons. |
| 19:21.31 | Bounty | and you're fucked |
| 19:21.40 | Taintedwisp_ | Charlotte? |
| 19:21.44 | JademusSreg | For clarification, since your power cut out. |
| 19:21.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:21.57 | Taintedwisp_ | LOL who lives in NC? |
| 19:21.57 | JademusSreg | *Charlotte, yes. |
| 19:22.00 | Taintedwisp_ | Besides me.... |
| 19:22.04 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:22.05 | Bounty | nobody |
| 19:22.06 | JademusSreg | I was refering to you. |
| 19:22.10 | Taintedwisp_ | Oh |
| 19:22.10 | Taintedwisp_ | LAWL |
| 19:22.26 | Taintedwisp_ | What demons am I drinking away? |
| 19:22.32 | Taintedwisp_ | I only drink at parties with my brother |
| 19:22.33 | JademusSreg | (I always misspell that damn town.) |
| 19:23.00 | Bounty | I'm kind of curious now if anyone else here uses drugs while mapping lol |
| 19:23.02 | Bounty | i know JademusSreg doesnt |
| 19:23.04 | Bounty | thats a given |
| 19:23.06 | JademusSreg | By your own reasoning, you are dissatisfied with your life. Thus my inquiry. |
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| 19:23.38 | Bounty | I bet you guys anything that Rodrigo used to do cocaine |
| 19:23.49 | Taintedwisp_ | Well let me explain... besides the joke of me being unhappy... When I say People who Drink hate thier life I mean, people who drink for a habit hate thier lives |
| 19:24.03 | Bounty | but |
| 19:24.04 | Taintedwisp_ | As in ANYONE who drinks alone.... Alone drinkers are just hating on themselves |
| 19:24.08 | Bounty | i drink for a habbit? |
| 19:24.15 | Bounty | i drink |
| 19:24.16 | Bounty | when i game/map |
| 19:24.26 | JademusSreg | "Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ecstasy and Alcohol." |
| 19:24.27 | Bounty | and i dont hate my life lol |
| 19:24.48 | Bounty | who are you quoting Jade |
| 19:25.01 | Taintedwisp_ | Eh I dont smoke anything, Take any Medical Drugs(Not even aspirin), the worse thing I take is Pepto Bismouth... |
| 19:25.03 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:25.03 | JademusSreg | "C-C-C-C-Cocaine." |
| 19:25.30 | Bounty | Well jesus Taitned |
| 19:25.32 | Taintedwisp_ | Heres how I feel, People 100 years ago didnt need all these Medications, Why do I? |
| 19:25.33 | Bounty | How old are you? |
| 19:25.35 | JademusSreg | I'm quoting from a song. |
| 19:25.39 | Taintedwisp_ | 19, rarely sick |
| 19:25.46 | Bounty | shame |
| 19:26.02 | Bounty | you're gonna miss out of your drug experimenting years |
| 19:26.04 | Taintedwisp_ | When I do need to take medicine is goes at full effect, because I dont use it on stupid shit like everyone else |
| 19:26.09 | Taintedwisp_ | I dont need those years |
| 19:26.15 | Bounty | its not about needing lol |
| 19:26.21 | Taintedwisp_ | Why would I want to experiement on shit that I cant do Daily |
| 19:26.23 | Bounty | thats the differance between a good time and an addict |
| 19:26.32 | Bounty | its not a need |
| 19:26.34 | Taintedwisp_ | 2 doses... |
| 19:26.46 | Bounty | go chug a bottle of robotussin |
| 19:26.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:26.56 | Taintedwisp_ | dI dont take RoboTussin |
| 19:27.00 | Taintedwisp_ | Its crap... |
| 19:27.05 | Bounty | so chug it |
| 19:27.09 | Bounty | u can thank me later |
| 19:27.14 | Taintedwisp_ | I take Pepto... and thats about it |
| 19:27.28 | Bounty | considering ur name |
| 19:27.29 | Taintedwisp_ | Dude Why robo? Why not just go get drunk... all that is, is the alcohol |
| 19:27.31 | Bounty | there is nothing tainted about u |
| 19:27.38 | Bounty | what? |
| 19:27.50 | Taintedwisp_ | Yeah there is.... Im fuckin awesome and your fuckin gay... |
| 19:27.51 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:27.55 | Bounty | u think u get drunk from chugging robotussin? lol |
| 19:28.11 | Bounty | thats not why people do it lol |
| 19:28.15 | Taintedwisp_ | I dont have to be a cheap Motel Hooker to Be a douchebag... |
| 19:28.16 | Bounty | and i gotta stop saying lol after everything |
| 19:28.23 | Bounty | now thats a habbit i gotta stop |
| 19:28.36 | JademusSreg | Gay? Is that still a thing people say disparagingly? |
| 19:28.41 | A1win | use smilies, there's more variation |
| 19:28.50 | Taintedwisp_ | Yes... |
| 19:28.56 | Taintedwisp_ | Gay..., queer, Homo, Faggot... the list goes on... |
| 19:29.00 | JademusSreg | That's silly. |
| 19:29.00 | Bounty | Gay being used as an insult is never going to go away |
| 19:29.05 | A1win | well, he's 19 |
| 19:29.07 | Taintedwisp_ | LOL |
| 19:29.07 | A1win | :> |
| 19:29.08 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:29.19 | Taintedwisp_ | I got gay friends.. I call them faggots too.. |
| 19:29.20 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:29.29 | Bounty | same |
| 19:29.31 | JademusSreg | Classy. |
| 19:29.32 | Taintedwisp_ | Here is how I work... |
| 19:29.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:29.37 | Taintedwisp_ | I HATE EvERYONE EQUALLY |
| 19:29.49 | Taintedwisp_ | Its hate... but its equal... |
| 19:29.50 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:29.56 | Bounty | most gay guys dont care JAdemusSreg, when you make it obvious u have no hatred in that area |
| 19:30.04 | Bounty | i wouldnt walk up to a random gay guy and call him that though |
| 19:30.20 | Taintedwisp_ | Why not I have walked up to random black dudes and called them nigga... |
| 19:30.20 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:30.26 | Bounty | no you havent |
| 19:30.30 | Taintedwisp_ | Its not a big deal, just gotta know what Tone to use |
| 19:30.30 | Bounty | just stop |
| 19:30.36 | Bounty | lol.... |
| 19:30.38 | Taintedwisp_ | ... Dude I grew up around the hood/country |
| 19:30.44 | Bounty | oh please |
| 19:30.50 | Bounty | come to jersey and ill show you the hood |
| 19:30.52 | JademusSreg | "Hating everyone equally" is one of those cliched expressions of youth. |
| 19:30.54 | Bounty | ill drop u off |
| 19:30.59 | Taintedwisp_ | Eh... Well Ghetto.. my bad.. |
| 19:30.59 | Bounty | bc i aint goin there |
| 19:31.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:31.21 | Bounty | pretty sure Camden NJ was like the most dangerous city in the US a few years ago |
| 19:31.23 | JademusSreg | I have no doubt some cosmopolitan Athenians said the same thing two millenia or so ago. |
| 19:31.36 | Taintedwisp_ | eh, I am a professional Shit talker... |
| 19:31.51 | Bounty | I think |
| 19:31.57 | Bounty | Now dont get offended by this |
| 19:31.59 | Bounty | but |
| 19:32.00 | Bounty | I think |
| 19:32.05 | Bounty | You're just full of shit |
| 19:32.08 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:32.16 | JademusSreg | It's an irresistable temptation to characterize one's faults as assets, yeah. |
| 19:32.17 | Taintedwisp_ | And I think... |
| 19:32.19 | Taintedwisp_ | you hate your life |
| 19:32.20 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:32.24 | Bounty | you can think that lol |
| 19:32.33 | Bounty | if i hated my life i would just commit suicide |
| 19:32.41 | Bounty | thats what u do |
| 19:32.52 | Taintedwisp_ | Hating ones life, and Being a coward are too different things |
| 19:33.06 | Bounty | being a coward? |
| 19:33.13 | Taintedwisp_ | Suicide = coward... |
| 19:33.16 | Bounty | You really think people who commit suicide are cowards? |
| 19:33.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:33.18 | Bounty | wow |
| 19:33.20 | JademusSreg | Yeah, those terminal cancer patients are pansies. |
| 19:33.20 | Taintedwisp_ | Yes... |
| 19:33.28 | Taintedwisp_ | Cancer isnt suicide... |
| 19:33.32 | Bounty | You're such a fool honestly |
| 19:33.40 | Bounty | You're not thinking it through very well |
| 19:33.44 | Taintedwisp_ | Death by desiease and hanging yourself are two different things |
| 19:33.45 | Bounty | How much balls it takes to kill yourself |
| 19:33.55 | Taintedwisp_ | No you have no balls if you kill yourself |
| 19:33.59 | Bounty | More balls than all of the balls in this IRC |
| 19:34.10 | Bounty | define balls |
| 19:34.16 | Bounty | lets break this down |
| 19:34.26 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:34.55 | JademusSreg | A terminal cancer patient is one of the few consistent circumstances where it is obvious that suicide is not cowardice, but is simply an efficient proactive solution to the suffering of a protracted agonizing life. |
| 19:34.55 | Taintedwisp_ | The only balls someone has when they kill them self is the ones they get when theirs go through their head caused they jumped 20 stories |
| 19:35.18 | Taintedwisp_ | It doesnt matter the reason, you should never kill yourself... |
| 19:35.28 | Bounty | ok |
| 19:35.36 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 19:35.43 | JademusSreg | Says the person whose body isn't riddled with insufferable tumors. |
| 19:35.50 | Bounty | lets take a trip to NC and give this guy a good ol fashion dose of cancer |
| 19:35.56 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:36.06 | Taintedwisp_ | you cant give someone cancer..... |
| 19:36.12 | JademusSreg | Good idea. I think I still have some around here somewhere. |
| 19:36.14 | Taintedwisp_ | its not an cold.. |
| 19:36.22 | Bounty | I have some in my kitchen |
| 19:36.26 | Bounty | next to the garlic salt |
| 19:36.33 | Taintedwisp_ | The point is Suicide is Cowardly.. |
| 19:36.43 | Bounty | Ok |
| 19:36.46 | Taintedwisp_ | IF you are too scared of living life... then you kill yourself.. |
| 19:36.51 | Bounty | Do you think it takes balls to kill someone? |
| 19:36.56 | Bounty | Like, to murder someone |
| 19:37.16 | JademusSreg | And cance is not directly contagious, but there are carcinogenic contagious conditions, such as viral infections. |
| 19:37.18 | Taintedwisp_ | To kill someone? No not really... Just means you no longer care... |
| 19:37.19 | Bounty | and its not always about scared of living life |
| 19:37.19 | JademusSreg | *cancer |
| 19:37.39 | Taintedwisp_ | No bounty it is Always being scared of living life |
| 19:37.44 | Bounty | scared of living life most likely accounts for like, 1% of suicides |
| 19:37.53 | Taintedwisp_ | What are these others then? |
| 19:37.56 | Bounty | o0o |
| 19:37.58 | Bounty | i know! |
| 19:37.59 | Bounty | ok |
| 19:38.02 | Bounty | how about this taitned |
| 19:38.06 | Bounty | you go to the doctor |
| 19:38.09 | Bounty | and he tells you |
| 19:38.12 | JademusSreg | HPV, for instance, increases the likelihood of cervical cancer in women. |
| 19:38.14 | Taintedwisp_ | and before you act like an idgit... Self sacrifice is NOT suicide |
| 19:38.32 | Bounty | You have a rare condition with your kidneys and you will forever pass a kidney stone through your system every 2 hours |
| 19:38.36 | Bounty | Forever |
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| 19:38.41 | Taintedwisp_ | okay.. |
| 19:38.43 | Bounty | You wouldnt kill yourself? |
| 19:38.46 | Taintedwisp_ | No... |
| 19:38.50 | Bounty | lol |
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| 19:38.52 | Taintedwisp_ | I would live until it killed me.. |
| 19:38.59 | Bounty | it would never kill you |
| 19:39.01 | Bounty | lets just add that part |
| 19:39.07 | Taintedwisp_ | Well then I would learn to live with it |
| 19:39.11 | Bounty | but you would be forever in pain |
| 19:39.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster monoframe (antenae@ctv-213-164-108-166.vinita.lt) |
| 19:39.23 | Taintedwisp_ | so? |
| 19:39.25 | Bounty | have you ever heard what its like to pass a stone? |
| 19:39.42 | Bounty | go outside and grab a small rock |
| 19:39.49 | Taintedwisp_ | I said you shouldnt kill yourslef... Never said you cant be hopped up on Pain killers |
| 19:39.53 | Bounty | and stuff it inside your pee hole |
| 19:39.58 | Bounty | then pee it out |
| 19:40.03 | Bounty | every 2 hours |
| 19:40.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:40.17 | Taintedwisp_ | you know, you have a very negative outlook on life |
| 19:40.28 | Bounty | huh? no i'm just realistic |
| 19:40.46 | JademusSreg | Though in a more general sense, any damage to your tissues, whether by disease or injury, has some probability of inciting cancer, provided it damages the DNA sufficient to trigger the unchecked growth and subverts the immunological response to direct bloodflow to it through inflamation. |
| 19:40.54 | Bounty | If you're in a situation that you're life is honestly and sincerely not worth living... punch out early |
| 19:41.01 | Taintedwisp_ | Realistic, is just what : pessimistic people say so they think they see things for the truth. |
| 19:41.01 | Bounty | But i doubt i would even have the balls to kill myself |
| 19:41.17 | Bounty | Have you looked at the world Tainted? |
| 19:41.22 | A1win | this conversation is funny |
| 19:41.23 | Bounty | Not even just earth, but the universe |
| 19:41.34 | Taintedwisp_ | Yes.... have you thought about how much worse things could be? |
| 19:41.34 | Bounty | reality IS pessimistic |
| 19:41.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:41.47 | Bounty | thats just an excuse for people in shitty situations |
| 19:41.53 | Taintedwisp_ | Reality can always get better... |
| 19:42.03 | Bounty | i mean things could ALWAYS be better or worse |
| 19:42.07 | Bounty | thats why its such a good excuse |
| 19:42.10 | Bounty | bc its always true |
| 19:42.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:42.12 | Taintedwisp_ | No matter how you start YOU are in charge of making your life good |
| 19:42.22 | Taintedwisp_ | No one else.. |
| 19:42.30 | Bounty | ok and what if someone comes into your house and cuts all of your limbs off |
| 19:42.40 | Bounty | you were in charge of that? |
| 19:42.41 | Taintedwisp_ | f they did that Then I would die... |
| 19:42.43 | Taintedwisp_ | 99% chance... |
| 19:42.44 | JademusSreg | Point being, cancer can be indirectly contagious, and can certainly be caused through human agency. |
| 19:42.52 | Bounty | lets say they were skilled surgeons |
| 19:42.57 | Bounty | and knew exactly how to remove your limbs |
| 19:42.59 | Bounty | without you dieng |
| 19:43.04 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:43.26 | Taintedwisp_ | well then I would be a human Starfish.. |
| 19:43.40 | Bounty | but |
| 19:43.45 | Bounty | after they cut your limbs off |
| 19:43.49 | Bounty | they injected you with aids |
| 19:43.52 | Bounty | and gave you cancer |
| 19:43.53 | Taintedwisp_ | Okay? |
| 19:43.59 | Bounty | would you want to kill yourself then? |
| 19:44.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:44.05 | Taintedwisp_ | not reall |
| 19:44.12 | Taintedwisp_ | The cancer and aids wouldnt take effect for Years |
| 19:44.19 | Bounty | not this cancer and aids |
| 19:44.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-180-50.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 19:44.26 | Bounty | its insta cancer and aids |
| 19:44.29 | Bounty | like instant coffee |
| 19:44.31 | JademusSreg | Ultra-cancer and super-aids? |
| 19:44.34 | Bounty | yeah |
| 19:44.40 | Bounty | as soon as you wake up the next day |
| 19:44.45 | Bounty | full blown aids/cancer |
| 19:44.58 | Taintedwisp_ | So now its some super disease ... you REALLY hate life.. |
| 19:44.59 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:45.07 | Bounty | huh? |
| 19:45.10 | Bounty | no i dont hate life |
| 19:45.16 | Taintedwisp_ | Okay its instant, then it will kill me soon anyways.. |
| 19:45.28 | Bounty | I dont have super aids/cancers and i have all my limbs |
| 19:45.31 | Bounty | you however do |
| 19:45.33 | Bounty | so |
| 19:45.35 | Bounty | what would you do |
| 19:45.38 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:45.38 | A1win | Taintedwisp_, you're taking the hypotheses too literally and just avoiding the questions |
| 19:46.00 | Taintedwisp_ | The point is, I still wouldnt kill myself... |
| 19:46.03 | Bounty | Ill even answer my own question |
| 19:46.09 | Taintedwisp_ | I dont see how that would help... |
| 19:46.13 | Bounty | I would want to kill myself, im not sure if i would have the balls though |
| 19:46.21 | Bounty | even under all of that |
| 19:46.25 | Taintedwisp_ | I would not want to kill myself.... |
| 19:46.26 | Bounty | but i could be wrong |
| 19:46.38 | A1win | Taintedwisp_, how do you know? have you been in that situation before? |
| 19:46.39 | Taintedwisp_ | There is no courage in suicide... |
| 19:46.49 | Bounty | No he hasnt A1win |
| 19:46.51 | Taintedwisp_ | Has he been in that situation before? |
| 19:46.54 | Bounty | because nobody has |
| 19:46.57 | Bounty | ever |
| 19:46.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:47.03 | A1win | that's not what I asked |
| 19:47.06 | Taintedwisp_ | Pessimistic.... as hell... |
| 19:47.10 | Bounty | ok |
| 19:47.12 | Bounty | Taintedwisp |
| 19:47.27 | Bounty | Does skydiving take courage? |
| 19:47.34 | Taintedwisp_ | yes |
| 19:47.37 | Bounty | Ok |
| 19:47.42 | Bounty | so you're telling me |
| 19:47.47 | Bounty | skydiving without a parachute takes no courage |
| 19:47.49 | Taintedwisp_ | Because your not TRYING to kill yourself |
| 19:47.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:47.54 | Taintedwisp_ | no.. |
| 19:47.57 | Taintedwisp_ | no it doesnt. |
| 19:48.13 | Taintedwisp_ | the courage in Skydiving is Trusting that a parachute would open |
| 19:48.21 | Taintedwisp_ | Im horrified of Heights So I wouldnt be able to do that.. |
| 19:49.30 | Bounty | well i give up |
| 19:49.39 | Bounty | start smoking or something and talk to me in 30 years |
| 19:49.46 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:49.50 | Bounty | speaking of which |
| 19:49.51 | Taintedwisp_ | On life? Sorry I cant help you with hating your life.... |
| 19:49.52 | Bounty | brb smoke |
| 19:49.56 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:52.09 | JademusSreg | I think this argument is to assist Bounty in warming up his brain, in preparation for working on his map. |
| 19:52.30 | Taintedwisp_ | A lil bit.. |
| 19:52.45 | Bounty | back |
| 19:52.57 | Bounty | Perhaps JademusSreg >< |
| 19:53.11 | Taintedwisp_ | Damn I thought for sure you would have had those "balls" to jump.. |
| 19:53.12 | Taintedwisp_ | lawl |
| 19:53.20 | Bounty | but if there is one thing i've learned its that you cannot win an arguement with anyone in this IRC |
| 19:53.28 | Bounty | well i dont have cancer yet |
| 19:53.33 | Bounty | im workin on it though |
| 19:53.54 | Taintedwisp_ | I have seen 2 people With cancer and live until it killed them... one being a friend, the other was just a School mate... |
| 19:53.54 | JademusSreg | I've had cancer, so I can make all the insensitive jokes about it I want. |
| 19:53.56 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:54.06 | Taintedwisp_ | Cancer? like the crab? |
| 19:54.09 | Taintedwisp_ | lawl |
| 19:54.19 | Bounty | It really depends on the type of cancer |
| 19:54.28 | Bounty | Some you can live with until it just kills you |
| 19:54.40 | Bounty | others... well |
| 19:54.43 | Bounty | you get the idea |
| 19:55.47 | Bounty | So, any other subjects to argue about |
| 19:56.01 | Taintedwisp_ | All I can say, Is I have watch my step grandpa Die from Alcoholism, My father died of a heart attack, I've had 2 close friends die, and a family friend, all Different ways, and I have to say, None of the which Committed Suicide, some gave up, but never ended it. |
| 19:56.30 | Bounty | Ok but everyone has had that happen to them in some way |
| 19:56.48 | Bounty | In some combination |
| 19:56.50 | Taintedwisp_ | Perhaps |
| 19:57.02 | Bounty | Thats usually the only seperation between them |
| 19:57.11 | Bounty | Is how many died and what they died of |
| 19:57.32 | Bounty | I'd say the average person knew about 4-6 people who have passed by the time they are 30 |
| 19:57.44 | Bounty | But i'm just guessing |
| 19:57.52 | Taintedwisp_ | I have had a 1 friend TRY to kill himself... dumbass... on aspirin... Dumbass... and I gotta say he was Scared of Life more then anything... |
| 19:58.06 | Taintedwisp_ | I'm 19 so I'm ahead of the crowd |
| 19:58.11 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 19:58.12 | Bounty | He should have done his research |
| 19:58.16 | Bounty | Despite popular belief |
| 19:58.22 | Bounty | Asprin is a painful death lol |
| 19:58.28 | Bounty | a very painful death |
| 19:58.43 | Taintedwisp_ | Yeah he chugged a Whole bottle, I called 911... and they pumped his stomach... |
| 19:58.56 | Bounty | Lucky |
| 19:59.08 | Bounty | and for the record |
| 19:59.18 | Bounty | The phrase "Scared of Life" is impossible lol |
| 19:59.25 | Bounty | Nobody is afraid to be alive |
| 19:59.32 | Taintedwisp_ | As in Afraid of Living... |
| 19:59.36 | Taintedwisp_ | Orly? |
| 19:59.39 | Bounty | Yep |
| 19:59.47 | Bounty | Its always much more than that |
| 19:59.49 | Taintedwisp_ | What about the kid who gets beaten every day... |
| 19:59.59 | Bounty | Yeah, you think they're afraid of life? |
| 20:00.04 | A1win | he's afraid of being beaten again |
| 20:00.05 | Taintedwisp_ | Hes afraid to just be alive at some point... |
| 20:00.05 | Bounty | I bet you anything they're afraid of the person beating them |
| 20:00.06 | A1win | <.< |
| 20:00.12 | Bounty | thank you A1win |
| 20:00.13 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:00.26 | Taintedwisp_ | Theropy can stop 90% of these Suicides... the other 10% need serious medication |
| 20:00.39 | Bounty | I disagree |
| 20:00.41 | Bounty | as usual |
| 20:00.42 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:00.49 | Bounty | medication is the worst |
| 20:01.08 | Bounty | you would be a 1000x better person if you get through it without meds |
| 20:01.35 | Bounty | now im not 100% sure on this so correct me if im wrong |
| 20:01.40 | Bounty | but before all these medications came out |
| 20:01.41 | Taintedwisp_ | I took riddlin for 13 years... trust me I hate Medication too.. but that being said, some people just cant, Especially the people with Acute paranoia? |
| 20:01.47 | Bounty | im pretty sure the suicide rate was lower |
| 20:02.11 | Bounty | all riddlin does is deprive you of your gift |
| 20:02.23 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 20:02.24 | Bounty | you have more natural energy than others |
| 20:02.29 | Bounty | and riddlin just says FUCK THAT |
| 20:02.31 | Bounty | be normal |
| 20:02.39 | Taintedwisp_ | thats because before SOME of the medicines people where admitted to institutions and they would literally have their brain examined... With a scalpel and other cutting devices. |
| 20:02.39 | Bounty | be average |
| 20:03.10 | Taintedwisp_ | no I had Normal energy and riddle said FUCK THAT... be a mindless zombie all day... |
| 20:03.28 | Bounty | well then that shows you how effective therapists are |
| 20:03.38 | Taintedwisp_ | Riddlin, stratara and there was one more. |
| 20:03.47 | Taintedwisp_ | that was a doctor |
| 20:03.50 | Taintedwisp_ | a pediatrician |
| 20:04.34 | Taintedwisp_ | Therapists, can help alot, just alot of them only act like they are listening.. |
| 20:04.36 | Bounty | Well i personally believe medications are just a way of controlling the masses |
| 20:04.47 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:04.54 | Bounty | And keeping everyone pumping out more boxes |
| 20:04.56 | Taintedwisp_ | GOT FUCKIN DAMMI... something I agree with you on |
| 20:05.07 | Taintedwisp_ | thats why Now All I take is good ol Pepto... |
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| 20:05.12 | Taintedwisp_ | turns my poop black.. |
| 20:05.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:05.20 | Taintedwisp_ | Thats a side effect I can handle |
| 20:05.48 | Taintedwisp_ | you see this abilify shit? for depression |
| 20:06.02 | Taintedwisp_ | Maycause thoughts of suicide, internal bleeding, and death.. |
| 20:06.05 | Bounty | I just always found it funny that if you work in an office for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and you get bored at work... there is somethign wrong with you? lol |
| 20:06.11 | Bounty | Maybe its just fucking boring? |
| 20:06.21 | Bounty | Its a natural reaction |
| 20:06.39 | Taintedwisp_ | maybe its the person who is weak... the problem is people get bored at work, and then start to hate their life and end it... |
| 20:06.52 | Bounty | huh? |
| 20:07.00 | Bounty | I've never heard of that lol |
| 20:07.09 | Bounty | I've been bored at work and never hated my life and wanted to end it |
| 20:07.10 | Taintedwisp_ | Yeah, Most suicides are office workers and postal workers |
| 20:07.13 | Bounty | I was just... bored |
| 20:07.21 | Bounty | Thats not bordem |
| 20:07.23 | Bounty | thats stress |
| 20:07.25 | Taintedwisp_ | I havent never really been bored.. I mean It comes and goes. |
| 20:07.26 | Bounty | totally differant |
| 20:07.28 | A1win | I'm not sure what "hating life" even means |
| 20:07.40 | Taintedwisp_ | I get really interested in anything... |
| 20:07.56 | Taintedwisp_ | hell ill watch the news all day.. or the Weather radar.. |
| 20:08.01 | Bounty | Well then you're the perfect corpoate slave Taintedwisp |
| 20:08.04 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:08.08 | Taintedwisp_ | probably righ |
| 20:08.15 | Taintedwisp_ | I have a terrible time with bosses though |
| 20:08.16 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:08.34 | Bounty | My problem is, i have no corpoate mode |
| 20:08.37 | Bounty | I have work mode |
| 20:08.47 | A1win | anyway my chemist friends just calculated that you'd have to eat about 200 aspirins if you wanted to end your life with them |
| 20:08.48 | Bounty | But i cant put on that corporate fake face |
| 20:08.53 | Bounty | For interviews |
| 20:08.55 | Taintedwisp_ | LAWL |
| 20:09.05 | Taintedwisp_ | 200? he was chugging one fo the large bottles |
| 20:09.05 | Bounty | If someone hires me i want it to be for me |
| 20:09.16 | Bounty | Not because i played a good character during the interview |
| 20:09.42 | A1win | those 200 would also have to absorb to your body, which takes time |
| 20:09.47 | Taintedwisp_ | It could have been around 200 |
| 20:09.56 | Taintedwisp_ | But he didnt have the time factor |
| 20:10.00 | Bounty | You would also have to hold in all 200 lol |
| 20:10.05 | Bounty | without throwing up |
| 20:10.07 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah |
| 20:10.10 | Bounty | and then your stomach explodes |
| 20:10.13 | Bounty | and your inside melt |
| 20:10.14 | Taintedwisp_ | and the bottle was pre opened |
| 20:10.26 | Bounty | and you bleed to death |
| 20:10.28 | Bounty | slowly |
| 20:10.29 | Taintedwisp_ | I dunno that was like 6th grade though lol |
| 20:10.34 | Taintedwisp_ | 8 years ago |
| 20:10.39 | Bounty | i've done my research on this |
| 20:10.43 | Bounty | best way to kill urself |
| 20:10.50 | Bounty | is OD on some sort of high quality pain killer |
| 20:10.51 | Taintedwisp_ | Bounty is thinking about it.. |
| 20:10.54 | Taintedwisp_ | he hates his life |
| 20:10.54 | Bounty | like heroin or something |
| 20:10.58 | Bounty | nah im just sayin |
| 20:11.00 | Bounty | if ur gonna do it |
| 20:11.02 | Bounty | dont make it painful lol |
| 20:11.11 | Bounty | OD on something |
| 20:11.12 | Taintedwisp_ | DOnt kill yourself.. how about htat one |
| 20:11.13 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:11.20 | Bounty | who the fuck said im killing myself |
| 20:11.24 | Taintedwisp_ | If you want to end your life run into burning building and try to save others |
| 20:11.31 | Taintedwisp_ | give your life to help someone who can use it |
| 20:11.47 | Bounty | well i mean i guess i can kinda agree with that |
| 20:11.53 | Bounty | if you happen to be walking around plotting your suicide |
| 20:11.53 | JademusSreg | A1, that is good to know. |
| 20:11.59 | Bounty | and happen across a burning building |
| 20:12.01 | Bounty | then yeah |
| 20:12.01 | A1win | yeah I figured |
| 20:12.12 | Taintedwisp_ | join the firedepartment... then its just a matter of time |
| 20:12.16 | Bounty | im kind of curious though |
| 20:12.20 | Taintedwisp_ | Mostly if its in a large city |
| 20:12.25 | A1win | anyway what does it mean to "hate life"? |
| 20:12.27 | Bounty | does anyone know why that is like one of the most common forms of suicide attempts? |
| 20:12.33 | Bounty | Asprin |
| 20:12.37 | Bounty | yet its one of the most painful |
| 20:12.48 | Taintedwisp_ | because teenagers are moron.... |
| 20:12.52 | A1win | because most people who attempt suicide are stupid? D: |
| 20:12.56 | Taintedwisp_ | same reason they cut their wrist... |
| 20:13.00 | A1win | especially those who survive it |
| 20:13.02 | A1win | :P |
| 20:13.03 | Bounty | wrong |
| 20:13.07 | Bounty | cutters are not suicidal |
| 20:13.09 | Bounty | not yet |
| 20:13.17 | Bounty | its not hard to cut your wrists successfully |
| 20:13.18 | Taintedwisp_ | Still they WANT the pain |
| 20:13.27 | Taintedwisp_ | and when they end it, they want to feel it |
| 20:13.30 | Bounty | just watch Constantine |
| 20:13.36 | Bounty | even Keanu Reeves did it right |
| 20:13.39 | Bounty | at the end |
| 20:13.41 | Taintedwisp_ | he died when he did it... |
| 20:13.44 | Bounty | 2 quick slits |
| 20:13.49 | Bounty | yeah but he did it right |
| 20:13.49 | Taintedwisp_ | then devil brough thim back to life |
| 20:13.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:13.56 | Bounty | im just sayin |
| 20:14.01 | Bounty | people who cut are not suicidal |
| 20:14.04 | Bounty | they just want attention |
| 20:14.09 | Bounty | and if they dont get the attention |
| 20:14.17 | Bounty | then they will prolly kill themselves |
| 20:14.21 | Taintedwisp_ | BECAUSE? |
| 20:14.26 | Taintedwisp_ | they HATE THEIR LIFE |
| 20:14.28 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:14.31 | Bounty | bc they didnt get the attention |
| 20:14.34 | Bounty | and they felt alone |
| 20:14.36 | Bounty | nope |
| 20:14.46 | Taintedwisp_ | A lonely life is a hated life |
| 20:14.50 | Bounty | no |
| 20:14.51 | Taintedwisp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.51 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:14.57 | Bounty | a lonely life is just a lonely life |
| 20:14.59 | Bounty | nothing more |
| 20:15.01 | Bounty | nothing less |
| 20:15.11 | Bounty | - bounty |
| 20:15.15 | Taintedwisp_ | Eh lonelyness just means you need to go make some new friends |
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| 20:15.32 | Bounty | easier said than done |
| 20:15.43 | A1win | no one's still answered my question :| |
| 20:15.44 | Taintedwisp_ | Im terrible at making friends.... BUT its not really hard |
| 20:15.49 | A1win | what does it mean to hate *life*? |
| 20:15.49 | Taintedwisp_ | just start a conversation |
| 20:15.51 | Bounty | What was your question A1win |
| 20:15.55 | Bounty | it means nothing |
| 20:16.00 | Bounty | because its not possible |
| 20:16.06 | Bounty | like |
| 20:16.09 | Bounty | unless you're Hades |
| 20:16.12 | Taintedwisp_ | it means you dont like how everything around you is, in that point of your life |
| 20:16.12 | Bounty | you cant hate life |
| 20:16.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:16.29 | Taintedwisp_ | Well there are people who hate every living creature.. |
| 20:16.31 | A1win | x_. |
| 20:16.35 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 20:16.37 | Bounty | his name is Hades |
| 20:16.42 | Taintedwisp_ | and people who hate all people.... because they think people ruins the earth |
| 20:16.50 | A1win | I've been depressed but I've never "hated life", I don't get what it means =p |
| 20:16.51 | Taintedwisp_ | No they are called PETA |
| 20:16.52 | Taintedwisp_ | LAWL |
| 20:17.03 | Bounty | its a pointless phrase A1win |
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| 20:17.18 | Bounty | its peoples attempt at taking lots of diverse problems and summing them up in one pghrase |
| 20:17.25 | Taintedwisp_ | the woman at the morgue hates the living... thats why she talks to the dead |
| 20:17.27 | A1win | mm |
| 20:17.28 | Bounty | put that in your pipe and smoke it |
| 20:17.57 | Taintedwisp_ | hating life is a term that refers to hating a good percentage of the things around you |
| 20:18.02 | Taintedwisp_ | Pessimist hate life.. |
| 20:18.05 | Bounty | like would you rather have someone explain every single problem going on in someones life |
| 20:18.10 | Bounty | or just "he hated his life" |
| 20:18.13 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:18.30 | Taintedwisp_ | I personally Love my life... though I wish my father was still here... |
| 20:18.51 | A1win | why are you capitalizing random words? x_X |
| 20:18.55 | A1win | it's extremely annoying |
| 20:18.58 | A1win | and it makes no sense |
| 20:19.03 | Bounty | you always capitalize Love |
| 20:19.04 | Taintedwisp_ | Broken keyboard |
| 20:19.05 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:19.09 | Bounty | Loooooooooooove |
| 20:19.13 | Taintedwisp_ | Love |
| 20:19.14 | Bounty | hit that L |
| 20:19.14 | Taintedwisp_ | Love |
| 20:19.15 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:19.25 | Taintedwisp_ | lllLlllLlllllllll |
| 20:19.37 | Taintedwisp_ | Computer sucks thats why lol |
| 20:19.40 | A1win | x_X |
| 20:19.41 | Taintedwisp_ | Its half broken |
| 20:19.48 | Bounty | Just like my life |
| 20:19.50 | Bounty | OOOOOOOOOOOOOH |
| 20:19.55 | Taintedwisp_ | Cause you hate your life... |
| 20:19.56 | Bounty | snap |
| 20:19.56 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:20.00 | Taintedwisp_ | I love my life |
| 20:20.06 | Taintedwisp_ | Its awesome |
| 20:20.10 | Bounty | i doubt it |
| 20:20.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:20.33 | Bounty | what you perceive as awesome most likely blows to 95% of people |
| 20:21.00 | Bounty | Kind of like my maps |
| 20:21.06 | Taintedwisp_ | Hmm lets see, I got 2 ddickwad brothers, who I am close to, I got a grandma, cousin, Mom all who I am close to, I have no regrets about my dad... Hmm, what should I hate about my life? |
| 20:21.08 | Bounty | 95% of people have not played them |
| 20:21.11 | Bounty | 5% like them |
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| 20:21.23 | Taintedwisp_ | The only things that really suck in my life... is My car. and computer... two Material things, that mean nothing to me |
| 20:21.37 | Bounty | Ok Tyler Durden |
| 20:21.46 | Taintedwisp_ | who the fuck is tyler durden? |
| 20:21.57 | Bounty | sigh |
| 20:22.02 | Bounty | get the fuck out of this IRC right now |
| 20:22.05 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.07 | Taintedwisp_ | got damn hippie... |
| 20:22.22 | Taintedwisp_ | OOOH |
| 20:22.24 | Taintedwisp_ | fight club... |
| 20:22.24 | Bounty | nobody says that about material things and means it |
| 20:22.27 | Bounty | when the chips are down |
| 20:22.32 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:22.38 | Bounty | You mean it right now |
| 20:22.40 | Bounty | You know why? |
| 20:22.41 | Taintedwisp_ | I never said I didnt like them |
| 20:22.42 | Bounty | Becaues you have them |
| 20:22.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:22.51 | Bounty | I know im just sayin |
| 20:22.51 | Taintedwisp_ | I just said I dont allow them to ruin my life |
| 20:22.53 | Bounty | Dont get me wrong |
| 20:23.01 | Bounty | I would LOVE to have the mentality of Tyler Durden |
| 20:23.17 | Bounty | but we're a generation raised with technology from day 1 |
| 20:23.19 | Taintedwisp_ | I got no one else to take care of, and I didnt have a computer or a car 1 year ago... so why should I care too much now? |
| 20:23.27 | Taintedwisp_ | well computer 1 year 4 months |
| 20:23.29 | A1win | also I'm not sure what hating things around you has to do with being suicidal, I'd imagine one could be suicidal if they feel physically extremely bad |
| 20:23.49 | Bounty | It has nothign to do with it A1win |
| 20:23.57 | Bounty | and ill proove it right now |
| 20:24.02 | Taintedwisp_ | being in pain all the time can cause an Aura that makes life feel like shit |
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| 20:24.07 | Bounty | Take 1 racist klan member |
| 20:24.14 | Bounty | put him in a black neighborhood |
| 20:24.19 | A1win | like if you're depressed enough you can start getting physical symptoms |
| 20:24.20 | Bounty | and i bet you he will hate everything around him |
| 20:24.23 | Bounty | but he wont be suicidal |
| 20:24.28 | Taintedwisp_ | if you have ever broken a bone, then you should know because all you think about is the thinkgs that you CANT do around you. |
| 20:24.35 | Bounty | he will just be thinking man, what a great opportunity to kill me some negros |
| 20:24.44 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:24.51 | Bounty | but he will hate everything around him |
| 20:24.53 | Bounty | so |
| 20:24.54 | Taintedwisp_ | Hey I like that guy.. |
| 20:24.55 | Bounty | there u go |
| 20:24.56 | Taintedwisp_ | hes awesome |
| 20:25.10 | Taintedwisp_ | I salute klan members... |
| 20:25.17 | A1win | did you just say "aura"? |
| 20:25.22 | Bounty | and they would salute you to tainted |
| 20:25.26 | Bounty | as they hang you |
| 20:25.27 | Taintedwisp_ | lol not as in Starcraft Aura |
| 20:25.40 | Taintedwisp_ | and Aura being a general feeling around you that more so in your mind then anything |
| 20:25.40 | A1win | there are no auras in starcraft |
| 20:25.46 | Taintedwisp_ | Oh there are... |
| 20:25.47 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:25.51 | Taintedwisp_ | those are buffs though |
| 20:25.52 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:26.05 | A1win | you mean a mood |
| 20:26.08 | A1win | <.< |
| 20:26.10 | Taintedwisp_ | in a way yes |
| 20:26.11 | Taintedwisp_ | but no |
| 20:26.12 | Bounty | zing |
| 20:26.21 | Taintedwisp_ | a mood can affect the aura |
| 20:26.29 | Bounty | there is no such thing as an aura |
| 20:26.31 | Bounty | douche |
| 20:26.35 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:26.43 | Taintedwisp_ | Pessimist |
| 20:26.43 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:26.45 | Bounty | nope |
| 20:26.47 | Bounty | realist |
| 20:26.55 | Taintedwisp_ | Realist... as in really gay? |
| 20:27.01 | Bounty | i |
| 20:27.05 | Bounty | i dont even... |
| 20:27.08 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:27.17 | Taintedwisp_ | and I'm in joke mood |
| 20:27.23 | Bounty | Arent we all |
| 20:27.25 | Bounty | Now then |
| 20:27.29 | Taintedwisp_ | your mother? |
| 20:27.32 | Bounty | what is an aura? your mood affecting those around you? |
| 20:27.38 | A1win | I'm amused |
| 20:27.54 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah bounty, but more then just mood |
| 20:28.15 | Bounty | ok we have a name for that |
| 20:28.18 | Bounty | its called charisma |
| 20:28.21 | A1win | moods have variations |
| 20:28.23 | Taintedwisp_ | Its still an aura |
| 20:28.28 | Bounty | no its just charisma |
| 20:28.35 | Taintedwisp_ | I am not typing out charisma every time.. |
| 20:28.37 | Taintedwisp_ | aura works |
| 20:28.39 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:28.40 | A1win | aura sounds like something supersticious |
| 20:28.41 | Bounty | fair enough |
| 20:28.47 | Bounty | because it is |
| 20:28.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:28.51 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah lol |
| 20:28.52 | Bounty | its like force field |
| 20:29.10 | Taintedwisp_ | Charisma is superstitious... |
| 20:29.18 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:29.18 | Bounty | Tell that to the germans |
| 20:29.31 | Taintedwisp_ | There is no true evidence that its real |
| 20:29.35 | Taintedwisp_ | but as a human you can feel it |
| 20:29.38 | Bounty | Hitler |
| 20:29.50 | Taintedwisp_ | hitler... now there is a topic |
| 20:29.51 | Bounty | i win |
| 20:29.51 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:30.08 | Taintedwisp_ | Hitler did good and bad.. |
| 20:30.24 | Taintedwisp_ | he killed the jews..., but he snapped the world out of the great depression.. |
| 20:30.36 | A1win | our discussions starts to feel like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U |
| 20:30.46 | JademusSreg | I am reminded of that episode of Community, where Jeff is being mocked by a teenager and is incredibly frustrated he can't mentally defeat the kid's strategy of obnoxious juvenile insults. So instead he tried to bang his mom. |
| 20:31.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:31.06 | A1win | except that Taintedwisp_ doesn't have a faerie tattoo, I hope |
| 20:31.24 | Taintedwisp_ | I dont have any tattoos lol |
| 20:31.36 | Taintedwisp_ | cept your mothers name... on my dick. lol |
| 20:31.51 | Bounty | You're starting to sound like one of those christian straight egde douche bags |
| 20:31.57 | Bounty | You love your life and think its the shit |
| 20:32.01 | Bounty | no drugs |
| 20:32.03 | Bounty | No tats |
| 20:32.21 | Taintedwisp_ | But I dont go to church |
| 20:32.26 | Taintedwisp_ | Eh im christian... thats fact.. |
| 20:32.29 | Bounty | See heres the problem with your mom/dad jokes Taitned |
| 20:32.32 | Taintedwisp_ | Church is just a bunch of rich old assholes who gossip |
| 20:32.33 | Bounty | You have no right to use them |
| 20:32.43 | Bounty | How would you like it if someone said something about your father? >< |
| 20:32.48 | Taintedwisp_ | Eh. |
| 20:32.56 | Taintedwisp_ | Wouldnt care.. |
| 20:32.57 | Bounty | Let me rephrase that |
| 20:33.01 | Taintedwisp_ | Those jokes never bothered me |
| 20:33.02 | Bounty | nobody really has the right to use them lol |
| 20:33.23 | Taintedwisp_ | I quit caring If I offend random ass people a long time ago |
| 20:33.36 | Bounty | <Taintedwisp_> Church is just a bunch of rich old assholes who gossip |
| 20:33.39 | Bounty | rich? lol |
| 20:33.43 | Taintedwisp_ | Yes... |
| 20:33.46 | Bounty | its mostly made up of the poor |
| 20:33.48 | Taintedwisp_ | In my experience.. |
| 20:33.50 | Taintedwisp_ | Not down here |
| 20:33.54 | Taintedwisp_ | Thats for Damn sure |
| 20:33.56 | Bounty | prolly bc u live in a rich area? |
| 20:34.09 | Taintedwisp_ | No I live in a dirt poor area, with only a few rich people |
| 20:34.25 | Bounty | and only those few rich people to go church? |
| 20:34.42 | Taintedwisp_ | No the poor people go too, but The rich ones just talk shit about everyone.. |
| 20:34.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:34.54 | Bounty | and u dont think the poor do that? |
| 20:35.04 | Taintedwisp_ | They use church so they think its okay to sin come monday.. |
| 20:35.14 | Taintedwisp_ | They do, but the Elderly are the worse... |
| 20:35.20 | Taintedwisp_ | Elderly women.. |
| 20:35.25 | Bounty | well thankfully there is no such thing as sin |
| 20:35.27 | Bounty | so it is ok |
| 20:35.29 | Bounty | go do it |
| 20:35.31 | Taintedwisp_ | Athiest... |
| 20:35.36 | Bounty | nope |
| 20:35.39 | Bounty | agnostic |
| 20:35.50 | Deaod | theres a moral right and wrong |
| 20:36.04 | Bounty | yeah but its not called sin |
| 20:36.10 | Bounty | thats what im talking about |
| 20:36.11 | Deaod | so its a different name |
| 20:36.12 | Taintedwisp_ | well to me its sin.. |
| 20:36.20 | Bounty | no |
| 20:36.21 | Taintedwisp_ | Now I'm not going to say I dont sin... cause I do.. |
| 20:36.26 | Taintedwisp_ | but I dont use my religion as a shield |
| 20:36.33 | Bounty | sin is literally a set of rules |
| 20:36.40 | Bounty | right and wrong is just built into you |
| 20:36.57 | Bounty | You know what Sin is? |
| 20:37.04 | Bounty | the bad guy from FF10 |
| 20:37.06 | Bounty | thats it |
| 20:37.09 | Taintedwisp_ | wow... |
| 20:37.18 | Bounty | yep |
| 20:37.20 | Bounty | i said it |
| 20:37.22 | Taintedwisp_ | I get it your an atheist.. that explains why you hate your life... |
| 20:37.23 | Bounty | it had to be said |
| 20:37.31 | Taintedwisp_ | Have yet to meet one who didnt.. |
| 20:37.32 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:37.33 | Bounty | even though i already said im not an athiest? |
| 20:37.33 | Deaod | well, you object to external rules for right and wrong |
| 20:37.46 | Deaod | which i can agree with |
| 20:37.54 | Bounty | i object to religion based rules |
| 20:37.59 | Bounty | hence why im agnostic lol |
| 20:38.14 | Deaod | so authority based rules are ok? |
| 20:38.24 | Taintedwisp_ | So what your saying is... You believe there is a god, but cant figure out which one and too scared to choose>? |
| 20:38.25 | Bounty | eh |
| 20:38.30 | Bounty | we could get deep into that one Deaod |
| 20:38.35 | Bounty | but on the overall |
| 20:38.36 | Bounty | yes |
| 20:38.50 | Bounty | unless you want to nit pick the details then there are some i disagree with |
| 20:38.53 | Deaod | i can make the argument that religion is all about authority |
| 20:39.02 | Bounty | well it is |
| 20:39.04 | Taintedwisp_ | Then again.. I personally am a christian, but I believe no matter what religion you are, you will not be condemmed to hell as long as you follow the basic rules of humanity |
| 20:39.14 | Bounty | u dont have to make the arguement |
| 20:39.15 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:39.22 | Bounty | without religion we would nto be here |
| 20:39.26 | Bounty | but |
| 20:39.30 | Deaod | huh? |
| 20:39.31 | Bounty | Like any old band |
| 20:39.37 | Bounty | it has to just go |
| 20:39.44 | Taintedwisp_ | The only religion I dont like.. is Muslim... They killed 15 people over a fucking book being burned.. |
| 20:39.47 | Bounty | Religion is what got the human race in linel ol |
| 20:39.53 | Bounty | we were wild fucking animals |
| 20:39.53 | Deaod | i dont see how religion can claim that without it we wouldnt be here |
| 20:39.53 | Taintedwisp_ | you burn a bible... I dont care.. I will just go print another.. |
| 20:40.05 | A1win | now you are generalizing |
| 20:40.10 | A1win | religions don't kill people, people do |
| 20:40.10 | Bounty | Because the human race was out of control |
| 20:40.20 | Taintedwisp_ | yeah... radical muslims then I should say |
| 20:40.23 | Bounty | so they made up religion |
| 20:40.26 | Bounty | to keep people in line |
| 20:40.31 | Bounty | and it worked and got us to this point |
| 20:40.34 | Taintedwisp_ | Which these days semm to make up a good amount of a country |
| 20:40.36 | Bounty | and we dont need it anymore |
| 20:40.46 | Deaod | religions lend themselves very well to being interpreted as justification for killing others |
| 20:40.47 | Taintedwisp_ | we need religion more then ever... |
| 20:40.55 | Deaod | i disagree, tainted |
| 20:41.02 | Deaod | we need less of it |
| 20:41.17 | Bounty | Tainted the only thing we need religion for is when shit gets crazy |
| 20:41.19 | Bounty | globally |
| 20:41.25 | Bounty | which is not the case like it was back in the day |
| 20:41.49 | A1win | I don't get agnosticism, I can get that people are not sure if something supernatural exists beyond the observable reality, but not being sure if there is a god is like not being sure if there is the invisible pink unicorn (and other such things) |
| 20:41.51 | Taintedwisp_ | okay, tell that to all the homeless people in the world... see who helps them because the government sure as fuck doesnt.. |
| 20:42.10 | Taintedwisp_ | no the government is too worried about some black bastered in africa to care about starving children in america] |
| 20:42.22 | Bounty | Hey A1win, please leave that Dawkins shit at the door lol |
| 20:42.36 | Bounty | It does make sense to be agnostic |
| 20:42.41 | Deaod | tainted, what about muslims killing people because they made fun of their prophet? |
| 20:42.44 | Taintedwisp_ | agnostic makes no damn sense |
| 20:42.44 | Bounty | Because you cant answer the question of God |
| 20:42.49 | Bounty | How doesnt it |
| 20:43.04 | Bounty | Athiesm and thiesm are exactly the problem with the human race |
| 20:43.06 | A1win | Bounty, but why does it need a word designated for it? |
| 20:43.08 | Bounty | We always have to know something |
| 20:43.11 | Bounty | We cant just sit back and say |
| 20:43.14 | Bounty | You know what, we dont know |
| 20:43.20 | Taintedwisp_ | what you are saying, you believe in all gods but choose to follow none of them, so no matter which one it is, you are condemmed to punishment when you die |
| 20:43.21 | A1win | atheism is not about believing there is no god |
| 20:43.27 | A1win | atheism is about having no belief |
| 20:43.30 | Taintedwisp_ | now how does that make sense? |
| 20:43.35 | Bounty | Athiesm is saying there is no god |
| 20:43.42 | A1win | no, it's not |
| 20:43.46 | Bounty | Agnostic is having no belief |
| 20:43.51 | Bounty | why the fuck does this always get confused with people |
| 20:43.52 | Bounty | look it up |
| 20:43.54 | A1win | you're confusing the terms :P |
| 20:43.58 | Deaod | Bounty, i can very well say that theists have to provide proof that there is a god. |
| 20:43.59 | Bounty | no |
| 20:44.04 | Bounty | ever since this athiesm movement started |
| 20:44.09 | Bounty | people fucked up the terms |
| 20:44.21 | A1win | there are various kinds of atheism |
| 20:44.33 | Bounty | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/agnostic |
| 20:44.35 | Taintedwisp_ | CANT WE ALL AGREE FUCKING SCIENTOLOGIST ARE MORONS... THEY THINK ALIENS ARE GOING TO COME DOWN AND ANAL PROBE THEM. |
| 20:44.47 | Taintedwisp_ | damn tom cruise |
| 20:44.50 | A1win | Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. |
| 20:44.50 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:45.01 | A1win | "absence of belief2 |
| 20:45.02 | A1win | " |
| 20:45.07 | Bounty | Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. |
| 20:45.07 | JademusSreg | They are not mutually exclusive. Uncertainty is a de facto absence of belief. |
| 20:45.08 | Deaod | i can agree with you, tainted, if you agree that Jesus is also a fucking ludicrous proposition |
| 20:45.19 | A1win | Bounty, you stopped reading too soon |
| 20:45.25 | Taintedwisp_ | Bounty you proved your self wrong |
| 20:45.27 | Taintedwisp_ | ... lol |
| 20:45.32 | Bounty | how so |
| 20:45.38 | A1win | read the next sentence |
| 20:45.42 | A1win | (which I quoted) |
| 20:45.44 | Taintedwisp_ | Agnostic is not absence of belife |
| 20:45.53 | Taintedwisp_ | it is someone who cant make up their fucking mind |
| 20:46.02 | Taintedwisp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.15 | Bounty | ok i dont understand? |
| 20:46.16 | Taintedwisp_ | Skeptical, means they believe but dont believe |
| 20:46.24 | Bounty | im reading it |
| 20:46.26 | Bounty | i dont see how im wrong |
| 20:46.33 | equinox1911 | antheism is to embrace the fact that there is NO god / gods |
| 20:46.40 | Bounty | exactly |
| 20:46.44 | equinox1911 | agnostic just doesn'T give a fuck ^^ |
| 20:46.44 | A1win | one form of atheism, equinox1911 |
| 20:46.44 | Bounty | thats what ive been saying |
| 20:46.52 | Bounty | ah ok |
| 20:46.57 | A1win | you're confusing the fact that there are various forms of atheism |
| 20:46.59 | Taintedwisp_ | Athieism is the belief that there is no god... cause they hate thier life soo much that a god wouldnt allow it. |
| 20:47.00 | Bounty | so now atheism is like theism |
| 20:47.00 | equinox1911 | nope |
| 20:47.03 | Bounty | just a bunch of differant forms |
| 20:47.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:47.06 | equinox1911 | thats the essence of atheism |
| 20:47.15 | A1win | <.< |
| 20:47.17 | Bounty | The problem is |
| 20:47.18 | Bounty | like i said |
| 20:47.23 | Bounty | once this atheism movement started |
| 20:47.24 | equinox1911 | deducting logical that there is no god / gods |
| 20:47.26 | Bounty | its getting twisted |
| 20:47.41 | Bounty | You're either a Theist, Atheist or an Agnostic |
| 20:47.41 | Bounty | thats it |
| 20:47.44 | Taintedwisp_ | Too many poeple are afraid to believe in a god these days... |
| 20:47.45 | equinox1911 | IT IS NOT A BELIVE |
| 20:47.47 | Bounty | thats all 3 answers |
| 20:47.48 | A1win | pff just don't use the words =P |
| 20:47.49 | Deaod | lets use a few numbers: atheists are 100% sure theres no god (or very very close to it, if you go by what people like Dawkins say) |
| 20:47.50 | Bounty | A. I know |
| 20:47.53 | Taintedwisp_ | I feel bad for you guys. |
| 20:47.55 | Bounty | B. I know its not |
| 20:47.58 | Bounty | C . Idk |
| 20:48.00 | equinox1911 | it states there is no god (as a fact ) |
| 20:48.06 | Deaod | theists are 100% sure that there is a god |
| 20:48.10 | A1win | why would someone state that as a fact, equinox1911 ? |
| 20:48.15 | Taintedwisp_ | What states? equinox? |
| 20:48.20 | equinox1911 | since there is nothing hinting on a deiety |
| 20:48.21 | Deaod | agnostics are all the one inside that spectrum |
| 20:48.29 | A1win | that's not evidence |
| 20:48.50 | equinox1911 | as much a gfact as any scientific or logical argument can be trtue |
| 20:48.51 | Taintedwisp_ | just because one self loathing fool types fact doesnt make it so |
| 20:48.54 | Bounty | Ok |
| 20:48.56 | Bounty | watch this video |
| 20:48.57 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBVUT1NlKA |
| 20:48.59 | Bounty | the first part |
| 20:49.01 | Deaod | theres no evidence either way |
| 20:49.12 | Taintedwisp_ | OH yES LISTEN TO THE ALL MIGHTY YOUTUBE VIDEO |
| 20:49.17 | Bounty | actually |
| 20:49.17 | Deaod | unless people use wishful thinking |
| 20:49.19 | Taintedwisp_ | SOO MUCH TRUTH ON THERE |
| 20:49.30 | A1win | :P |
| 20:49.38 | Bounty | its a debate video between William Lane Craig and Hitchens |
| 20:49.40 | Taintedwisp_ | did you know axel rose road a dolphin and thats why motly crue split up.. |
| 20:49.43 | equinox1911 | ok a quit logical arguemnt |
| 20:49.44 | Bounty | it has some merit |
| 20:49.45 | Bounty | so yeah |
| 20:49.51 | equinox1911 | can u see any god ? |
| 20:49.51 | A1win | Bounty, I watched that debate and it didn't make any sense |
| 20:49.53 | equinox1911 | tm ? |
| 20:49.55 | equinox1911 | atm ? |
| 20:50.12 | equinox1911 | can u detect (with any tool u wish the presence of a god ? |
| 20:50.15 | A1win | equinox1911, can you see my face atm? |
| 20:50.18 | Bounty | and its what im saying |
| 20:50.20 | Bounty | What Craig says is true |
| 20:50.31 | Bounty | You're either a fucking atheist and deny gods existance |
| 20:50.34 | Bounty | or you just dont know |
| 20:50.35 | Bounty | and you're an agnostic |
| 20:50.38 | Taintedwisp_ | Facts about christianity... Noah Lived, Moses Lived, Garden of Eden was real, Jesus lives, Noahs arc found. |
| 20:50.50 | Taintedwisp_ | Wheres these facts about atheism? |
| 20:50.53 | Taintedwisp_ | lol |
| 20:50.54 | equinox1911 | no , i can see what you are writing |
| 20:51.05 | equinox1911 | so chances are goos you exist |
| 20:51.05 | A1win | Bounty, I'm not an agnostic and I don't deny a god's existance, yet I don't believe there is a god |
| 20:51.10 | equinox1911 | *good |
| 20:51.35 | Bounty | what |
| 20:51.35 | Bounty | u just blew my mind a1win |
| 20:51.35 | Bounty | you dont believe in god |
| 20:51.35 | A1win | equinox1911, do you see this empty can on my table? |
| 20:51.35 | equinox1911 | you don't deny and you don't belive |
| 20:51.38 | Bounty | but you dont deny his existance? |
| 20:51.40 | equinox1911 | i call thatr agnostic |
| 20:51.40 | Bounty | that makes no sense |
| 20:51.42 | equinox1911 | ... |
| 20:51.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Taintedwisp (adbcced6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.188.206.214) |
| 20:51.56 | equinox1911 | but it seems we get carried away in formaleties ^^ |
| 20:52.01 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:52.05 | Bounty | like i said |
| 20:52.08 | Taintedwisp | My points stand... |
| 20:52.12 | Deaod | we apparently cant agree on what to call ourselves |
| 20:52.15 | Bounty | that athiest movement was/is a graet thing |
| 20:52.17 | Bounty | BUT |
| 20:52.19 | Taintedwisp | Science, has proven that 60% of the bible happend... |
| 20:52.21 | A1win | I don't deny it because I don't know, but I don't categorize myself as an agnostic because it doesn't make any sense to have a whole word just for not knowing if one specific thing exists |
| 20:52.22 | Deaod | your points are garbage, tainted |
| 20:52.22 | equinox1911 | the point is that there is no god / gods |
| 20:52.27 | Bounty | ppl keep fucking up Atheism and Agnostic |
| 20:52.31 | Bounty | its annoying |
| 20:52.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:52.40 | equinox1911 | and sure as hell no monotheist god |
| 20:52.42 | Bounty | Tahts why there are 3 |
| 20:52.43 | equinox1911 | lulz |
| 20:52.47 | Bounty | 3 answers |
| 20:52.47 | Taintedwisp | ATHEISM AND AGNOSTIC... Both just believe they will have another drink... bunch of alcoholics |
| 20:52.52 | Bounty | Theism = You believe in God |
| 20:52.56 | Bounty | Atheism = You dont |
| 20:53.00 | Bounty | Agnostic = You dontk now |
| 20:53.08 | A1win | indeed |
| 20:53.08 | Bounty | thats it |
| 20:53.08 | Bounty | thats why there are 3 |
| 20:53.13 | Bounty | case closed |
| 20:53.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:53.19 | Bounty | you cant split them each up into little groups |
| 20:53.24 | Deaod | for the record, i would describe myself as an agnostic, borderline atheist |
| 20:53.24 | Bounty | it is what it is |
| 20:53.30 | A1win | stop right there >_> |
| 20:53.33 | equinox1911 | atheism doesn't belive |
| 20:53.36 | equinox1911 | or atheist |
| 20:53.38 | equinox1911 | we know |
| 20:53.44 | equinox1911 | there is no god |
| 20:53.45 | Bounty | Heres the problem |
| 20:53.48 | equinox1911 | thats the whole point |
| 20:53.49 | Taintedwisp | MonoTheism, PolyTheism. Theism, Agnostic, Athiest... |
| 20:53.51 | A1win | Bounty, having no belief about X and not knowing if X exists are not exclusive from each other |
| 20:53.51 | Taintedwisp | thats about it |
| 20:53.57 | Bounty | Atheism and Theism both claim knowledge |
| 20:54.04 | Bounty | thats why im an agnostic |
| 20:54.09 | Bounty | We cant know everything |
| 20:54.16 | A1win | atheism doesn't necessarily claim knowledge |
| 20:54.16 | equinox1911 | theist claim absolute knowlegde |
| 20:54.19 | A1win | claiming knowledge of god not existing is just being a moron |
| 20:54.19 | Taintedwisp | Agnostics are doomed... |
| 20:54.19 | equinox1911 | and thus needs belive |
| 20:54.20 | Taintedwisp | Lol |
| 20:54.21 | Bounty | They both claim knowledge |
| 20:54.28 | Taintedwisp | They have to chance at better life |
| 20:54.33 | Bounty | When you claim to know the answer to a question |
| 20:54.35 | Bounty | Thats knowledge |
| 20:54.45 | Taintedwisp | I do know... I know in my heart |
| 20:54.46 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:54.49 | A1win | x_X |
| 20:54.51 | equinox1911 | atheism usess scientific terms to sa we know there is no god |
| 20:54.53 | Bounty | not talking to u Tainted |
| 20:54.55 | Bounty | ur just trolling |
| 20:54.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:55.03 | equinox1911 | different kindss of knowlege |
| 20:55.03 | A1win | your definition about knowledge is different, then |
| 20:55.03 | Taintedwisp | Not trolling |
| 20:55.20 | Bounty | All im saying is that in my opinion its best to be agnostic, because we cant know everything |
| 20:55.27 | Bounty | we'll alll find out one day |
| 20:55.28 | equinox1911 | no when i claim knowledge im an idot |
| 20:55.29 | Bounty | so who cares |
| 20:55.36 | Deaod | and tainted, ive never once knowingly drunk a drop of alcohol. |
| 20:55.41 | A1win | agnosticism is an unnecessary category |
| 20:55.41 | equinox1911 | becasue knowledge come from enlightenment |
| 20:55.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:55.53 | Bounty | 15:55] <A1win> agnosticism is an unnecessary category |
| 20:55.55 | equinox1911 | and method in gathering fact |
| 20:56.01 | Bounty | that statement is the exact problem with our species |
| 20:56.06 | A1win | ;p |
| 20:56.07 | Bounty | we always have to know |
| 20:56.09 | Taintedwisp | Your just mad, cause Agnostics hate thier life, cause they believe that there could be a god, but are not willing to follow, and therefor in many of the theism religions they are cursed to an eternity of Torment... so, how does it make sense to be Agnostic? When no matter what you are screwed? |
| 20:56.12 | Bounty | we cant just say hey, i dont know |
| 20:56.13 | Taintedwisp | thats all Im saying |
| 20:56.21 | Bounty | we're not all knowing |
| 20:56.24 | Bounty | not even close |
| 20:56.39 | Taintedwisp | According to Christianity we have to capacity to be all knowing |
| 20:56.40 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:56.45 | A1win | Bounty, of course we don't know, we don't know *anything*, which is why having a word for "not knowing if god exists" just doesn't make sense |
| 20:56.46 | Taintedwisp | CAPACITY!!! |
| 20:56.47 | Bounty | no we dont |
| 20:56.55 | Bounty | its not possible to know everything |
| 20:56.58 | equinox1911 | true : taint and not true : cause as agnostic you also can just not give a fuck ^^ |
| 20:57.00 | JademusSreg | Well, begin by defining the parameters. A parameter for the belief state and a parameter for the belief assertion, where the belief state is a qualification of the state of the subject the assertion defines. If we assume the belief states of Belief and Non-Belief, and the belef assertions God Exists and God Does Not Exist, we have 2 parameters with 2 states, which can be represented as a |
| 20:57.00 | JademusSreg | 2*2 space. |
| 20:57.00 | Deaod | tainted, now youre fucking with quantum mechanics |
| 20:57.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:57.14 | Deaod | dont do it |
| 20:57.16 | Bounty | To claim its even possible to know everything you're claiming that you know the quantity that makes up everything |
| 20:57.20 | Bounty | Which is retarded |
| 20:57.32 | Taintedwisp | Who said it was possible? |
| 20:57.35 | Bounty | you did |
| 20:57.36 | Deaod | you. |
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| 20:57.39 | Taintedwisp | I just said that the human brain could Handle it |
| 20:57.44 | Bounty | no we couldnt lol |
| 20:57.46 | Taintedwisp | Thats all.. |
| 20:57.47 | equinox1911 | oyur overcomplicating this debate jade ^^ |
| 20:57.49 | Taintedwisp | nothing more |
| 20:57.54 | Deaod | but its PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE |
| 20:57.56 | Bounty | thats what Jade does equinox |
| 20:57.59 | Bounty | its his role |
| 20:58.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:58.12 | Taintedwisp | It can be impossible... But we still COULD do it |
| 20:58.13 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 20:58.16 | JademusSreg | Naw, I'm making it simple. |
| 20:58.24 | A1win | you know what's funny... you say there's only one definition for atheism and agnosticism, and yet all of us has our own definitions for them |
| 20:58.29 | Deaod | and now youre contradicting yourself |
| 20:58.29 | Taintedwisp | Think of our brain with a harddrive with ever expanding space |
| 20:58.34 | Bounty | now ur just stupid tainted |
| 20:58.36 | Bounty | if its impossible |
| 20:58.38 | Bounty | thats it |
| 20:58.40 | Bounty | its not possible |
| 20:58.46 | Bounty | this isnt a comic book |
| 20:58.48 | Bounty | or a movie lol |
| 20:58.53 | equinox1911 | not really you bring in mathematics to get to a logical argument |
| 20:59.07 | Taintedwisp | Uhh you say it isnt possible.. yet Humans have yet to Re-create or even understand the human body by 20% |
| 20:59.18 | Bounty | Thats another problem with our species A1win |
| 20:59.19 | equinox1911 | when we clearly are beyond semantics and logic in this discussionj |
| 20:59.20 | Bounty | for some reason |
| 20:59.21 | equinox1911 | HA HA HA |
| 20:59.26 | Bounty | we think its ok to take PRE DEFINED words |
| 20:59.29 | Bounty | and make up our own versions |
| 20:59.38 | Bounty | and we wonder why these arguements happen |
| 20:59.39 | Taintedwisp | LOOL |
| 20:59.41 | A1win | who pre defind them? |
| 20:59.43 | A1win | *defined |
| 20:59.46 | Taintedwisp | These defined words? |
| 20:59.50 | A1win | CITATION NEEDED |
| 20:59.51 | Taintedwisp | bull shit I say |
| 20:59.56 | Bounty | ... |
| 21:00.00 | Taintedwisp | Words change everyday... |
| 21:00.00 | Bounty | man |
| 21:00.01 | Deaod | tainted, our brains dont grow |
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| 21:00.02 | equinox1911 | we define words by using them |
| 21:00.06 | Taintedwisp | Get over that one.. |
| 21:00.11 | Taintedwisp | Reall our brains dont grow? |
| 21:00.15 | Deaod | all our brain does is deteriorate. |
| 21:00.21 | Taintedwisp | Have you ever completely filled yours? |
| 21:00.25 | Bounty | i guess im alone on this one |
| 21:00.29 | equinox1911 | thatss what wittgenstein says (in short lol) |
| 21:00.30 | Taintedwisp | Has ANYONES ever been completely filled? |
| 21:00.39 | Bounty | your mom |
| 21:00.42 | Bounty | OOOOOOOOOOH |
| 21:00.55 | Bounty | sorry |
| 21:00.57 | Bounty | continue |
| 21:01.00 | Deaod | tainted, our brain discards memories constantly |
| 21:01.07 | Taintedwisp | no it doesnt.. |
| 21:01.09 | Deaod | things we havent used in a long time |
| 21:01.10 | equinox1911 | by the late works of him not in TLP |
| 21:01.11 | Deaod | yes. |
| 21:01.14 | Bounty | tell that to my wife Taintedwisp |
| 21:01.15 | equinox1911 | *but |
| 21:01.17 | Bounty | i forget shit all the time |
| 21:01.18 | Taintedwisp | It just "enccrypts" them |
| 21:01.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:01.22 | Taintedwisp | Making them harder to locate |
| 21:01.27 | Bounty | once again |
| 21:01.30 | Bounty | tell that to my wife |
| 21:01.38 | Bounty | i either find it |
| 21:01.39 | Bounty | or its gone |
| 21:01.41 | Deaod | tainted, our brain cant do miracles |
| 21:01.42 | Bounty | lost forever |
| 21:01.42 | Taintedwisp | Its a known fact women arent people LAWL |
| 21:01.45 | Bounty | until i get yelled at |
| 21:01.47 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:01.48 | Taintedwisp | jk |
| 21:02.06 | Taintedwisp | Deaod, you realize your brain has the power to Fully predict the future? |
| 21:02.13 | Bounty | WAHTEWATASt |
| 21:02.15 | Bounty | WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 21:02.19 | Bounty | holy shit |
| 21:02.21 | Bounty | im done |
| 21:02.21 | Deaod | no, and i reject such a belief. |
| 21:02.24 | A1win | hahah |
| 21:02.24 | Bounty | this conversation is over |
| 21:02.33 | Deaod | because its a ludicrous proposition |
| 21:02.34 | Bounty | just stop talkign to him |
| 21:02.35 | Taintedwisp | Why not? You can already dream small bits of it. |
| 21:02.42 | Bounty | NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 21:02.45 | Bounty | DEAOD |
| 21:02.47 | Bounty | dont do it |
| 21:02.49 | Deaod | for which theres not a single shred of evidence |
| 21:02.49 | Bounty | dont contend him |
| 21:02.57 | Taintedwisp | I dreamed of your mom last night... and look at today |
| 21:03.04 | Taintedwisp | LAWL |
| 21:03.05 | Bounty | what? |
| 21:03.07 | Bounty | i dont even? |
| 21:03.10 | Bounty | i dont get it |
| 21:03.16 | Bounty | and waht happend? |
| 21:03.24 | Bounty | you had a dream of his mother and? |
| 21:03.27 | Bounty | and den? |
| 21:03.32 | Bounty | and den!? |
| 21:03.35 | Taintedwisp | Seriously though... dreaming the future happnes |
| 21:03.40 | Deaod | no. |
| 21:03.42 | Bounty | no it doesnt |
| 21:03.43 | Taintedwisp | Havent you ever had De ja Vu? |
| 21:03.50 | Deaod | its your brain trying to make sense of shit |
| 21:03.53 | equinox1911 | taint : no, our brain most certainly is not a Laplace's demon kind of mashine , |
| 21:03.58 | Bounty | you have to take into account how many dreams you have |
| 21:04.06 | Bounty | of course there is achance something like taht will happen |
| 21:04.17 | Bounty | if i sat here and wrote random stories |
| 21:04.19 | Bounty | for 10 hours |
| 21:04.21 | Bounty | i bet you anything |
| 21:04.24 | Taintedwisp | So it is weird that I can dream small bits of the future, I mean like meaningless words of a book I have never read or a 1 second Snippit |
| 21:04.25 | Bounty | one of them will eventually happen |
| 21:04.25 | A1win | I predict someone is going to say "a" in a sentence within the next 30 seconds |
| 21:04.28 | equinox1911 | if it was we needed much bigger ram ^^ |
| 21:04.30 | A1win | HOLY SHIT |
| 21:04.35 | Bounty | 30 seconds? |
| 21:04.36 | JademusSreg | (Belief ∩ God Exists) is Explicit Theism, (Belief ∩ God Does Not Exist) is Explicit Atheism, (Non-Belief ∩ God Exists) is Implicit Atheism, (Non-Belief ∩ God Does Not Exist) is Implicit Theism. But the labels aren't terribly relevant, rather I explain the values of the space to demonstrate the range of possible belief configurations there are, and to differentiate between making a |
| 21:04.36 | JademusSreg | claim and not making a claim. |
| 21:04.38 | Bounty | more like 3 |
| 21:05.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa_ (53e93ab0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.233.58.176) |
| 21:05.06 | Taintedwisp | you guys sucks |
| 21:05.14 | Bounty | No Sir |
| 21:05.19 | Taintedwisp | And we have been argueing since 14:20... its 16:05 |
| 21:05.20 | Bounty | It is infact you who does the sucking |
| 21:05.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:05.30 | Bounty | im not surprised |
| 21:05.35 | Bounty | everytime i come in here this shit happens |
| 21:05.35 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:05.42 | Bounty | im not saying its me |
| 21:05.46 | Deaod | religion is a wonderful topic |
| 21:05.52 | Taintedwisp | But seriosuly predicting the future with your brain is possible |
| 21:05.52 | equinox1911 | but its you ;) |
| 21:05.57 | Bounty | fair enough |
| 21:06.00 | Bounty | i accept my fate |
| 21:06.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:06.08 | A1win | Taintedwisp, you mean guessing |
| 21:06.08 | Bounty | there he goes again |
| 21:06.09 | Mexa_ | Did I miss a shitstorm? |
| 21:06.09 | Deaod | its gets so many people angry, and so many people get stupid arguing |
| 21:06.11 | equinox1911 | that your role lol |
| 21:06.26 | Taintedwisp | No I mean Seeing |
| 21:06.28 | Bounty | and i accept it |
| 21:06.30 | A1win | Mexa_, just the usual religion debate |
| 21:06.31 | Bounty | and so it is |
| 21:06.37 | Mexa_ | herpherp. |
| 21:06.39 | equinox1911 | brave as always^ |
| 21:06.39 | Taintedwisp | Its like a Video, Sometimes a 3rd person out of body video |
| 21:06.40 | Bounty | derp |
| 21:06.44 | A1win | it's always the exact same |
| 21:06.48 | A1win | it never gets anywhere |
| 21:06.53 | Taintedwisp | Problem is you never remember then unitl Right before they happen |
| 21:06.57 | Taintedwisp | Or right after |
| 21:07.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:07.01 | A1win | nobody ever change their minds |
| 21:07.03 | Bounty | god damn boy |
| 21:07.03 | Deaod | tainted, your proposition doesnt make sense. |
| 21:07.07 | Bounty | u stoooped |
| 21:07.12 | Taintedwisp | Perhaps not |
| 21:07.20 | Bounty | I think his brain is tainted |
| 21:07.21 | Taintedwisp | But I know what happens about 2 times a week |
| 21:07.38 | Bounty | Then why are you not out solving crimes for police |
| 21:07.44 | Deaod | youre OBVIOUSLY a psychic |
| 21:07.47 | equinox1911 | taint: you clearly need to experiment with some psychoactive substances to see what our brain can do to trick us |
| 21:07.58 | Bounty | lol seriously |
| 21:08.00 | Bounty | equinox |
| 21:08.03 | A1win | Taintedwisp, yeah not remembering that you had predicted the future until it actually happens is kind of a problem in predicting the future |
| 21:08.03 | Bounty | could not have said it any better |
| 21:08.03 | Taintedwisp | No psychics are bull shit |
| 21:08.14 | Deaod | yet you claim to be one of them |
| 21:08.14 | Bounty | but heres the problem equinox1911 |
| 21:08.17 | Bounty | he has never taken drugs |
| 21:08.23 | Bounty | so he doesnt know the power of our brains trickery |
| 21:08.29 | Taintedwisp | I think that the brain just has the power to Take EVERYTHING into account, and use that to predict the future once it comes together even if it is only a small part |
| 21:08.47 | Bounty | I mean technically |
| 21:08.51 | Bounty | I dont even believe in free will |
| 21:08.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:08.56 | A1win | did you know your brain has the capacity of picturing a real looking completely naked woman in front of you? |
| 21:09.04 | Taintedwisp | So it can be a sentence in a book, A small event, say you spilling something |
| 21:09.05 | Bounty | I think our brain controls us and we think we have control over it but we dont |
| 21:09.10 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:09.15 | Bounty | but tahts just me |
| 21:09.22 | Taintedwisp | Yes a1win, but thats photographic memory... |
| 21:09.24 | equinox1911 | you are right in one point taint , our subconsciousness is a very powerful too l |
| 21:09.25 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 21:09.32 | A1win | Taintedwisp, no it's not |
| 21:09.34 | Bounty | Does anyone else think like that though? |
| 21:09.41 | Bounty | That we have no true free will |
| 21:09.42 | A1win | it's magic! |
| 21:09.44 | Deaod | tainted, again, that just your brain trying to make sense of shit you want to make sense terribly bad |
| 21:09.45 | A1win | nevermind |
| 21:09.47 | equinox1911 | it detect a bucktload of stuff that normally slips by |
| 21:09.57 | equinox1911 | thus dreams can have revealing character |
| 21:10.04 | Bounty | We're all just computers |
| 21:10.17 | Deaod | ...you want to make sense of...* |
| 21:10.30 | Taintedwisp | Explain this to me then A1win, When Starcraft 2 first came out, I would Daydream, with my eyes open, about new tactics for starcraft Quick matches... I could see the Scvs, and they went perfect speed, and the minerals/gas and everything went perfect and I could go over new tactics ... |
| 21:10.34 | Taintedwisp | EXPLAIN THAT |
| 21:10.46 | Bounty | Seriously |
| 21:10.51 | Taintedwisp | Of course I played a full 24 hour stretch of SC2 the weekend before |
| 21:10.53 | A1win | what needs explaining about that? |
| 21:10.54 | equinox1911 | you played sc2 |
| 21:10.54 | Bounty | How has this troll not been detected |
| 21:10.54 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 21:10.58 | Bounty | HOW |
| 21:11.03 | Bounty | HOW CAN THIS BE |
| 21:11.08 | Bounty | this is so obvious a troll |
| 21:11.09 | Taintedwisp | Im not trolling |
| 21:11.12 | Bounty | yes you are lol |
| 21:11.15 | Taintedwisp | not really |
| 21:11.21 | Deaod | then youre an idiot. |
| 21:11.25 | Taintedwisp | Go believe that there is a god, but he doesnt love you |
| 21:11.25 | A1win | and no I can't explain how your brain works |
| 21:11.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:11.28 | A1win | but it doesn't mean it works by magic |
| 21:11.29 | Bounty | you just brought up starcraft 2 into a debate about whether predicting the future is true or not |
| 21:11.31 | equinox1911 | im telling you either you actually played sc2 or your brain did it for you |
| 21:11.32 | Deaod | which is the other possible explanation. |
| 21:11.32 | Bounty | if tahts not trolling |
| 21:11.34 | Bounty | i dontk now what is |
| 21:11.55 | A1win | I've had some cool hallucinations |
| 21:11.57 | Taintedwisp | Equi I was Playing Sc2, But without a computer., In my mind |
| 21:11.59 | Taintedwisp | thats all Im saying |
| 21:12.02 | Bounty | but |
| 21:12.05 | A1win | once I think I was lucid dreaming while I was awake |
| 21:12.07 | Taintedwisp | Im saying that my mind Memorized EVERYTHING |
| 21:12.11 | Bounty | i do believe the near future is pre determined |
| 21:12.15 | Bounty | the NEAR future |
| 21:12.18 | equinox1911 | ye, your mind is a great emulator |
| 21:12.22 | A1win | I could just imagine things and "see" them although not really see them, and I had full control over it |
| 21:12.34 | A1win | and I knew what was real and what wasn't |
| 21:12.34 | A1win | D: |
| 21:12.38 | A1win | that was cool |
| 21:12.39 | Taintedwisp | Thats what Im saying equinox, now imigine if its even better then that |
| 21:12.41 | equinox1911 | but in this case i would say, you were a bit unstable .. mb sleep deprived |
| 21:12.47 | Taintedwisp | What if its such a great emulator it can emulate the future |
| 21:12.50 | A1win | I was afraid to go to sleep to lose it, and so I did too :( |
| 21:12.50 | Bounty | So |
| 21:12.52 | equinox1911 | or just too many hrs playin sc2 |
| 21:12.56 | Bounty | Free will |
| 21:13.00 | Bounty | does it exist? |
| 21:13.04 | Bounty | discuss |
| 21:13.04 | Taintedwisp | Yes |
| 21:13.09 | Deaod | tainted what youre doing is extrapolating from the known |
| 21:13.10 | Bounty | How do you know that |
| 21:13.15 | equinox1911 | you cant emulate the future |
| 21:13.18 | Bounty | How do you know you're controlling your body and your just just a machine |
| 21:13.25 | Deaod | because it contradicts his religion. |
| 21:13.25 | JademusSreg | Meaningless expression. |
| 21:13.25 | Bounty | programmed to react |
| 21:13.27 | A1win | Bounty, depends on how you define free will |
| 21:13.32 | Taintedwisp | Why not? Why cant me Emulate the future |
| 21:13.38 | Taintedwisp | We* |
| 21:13.42 | equinox1911 | bc your brain has too little fact and is not a good enogh processor |
| 21:13.43 | Bounty | free will is free will lol |
| 21:13.45 | Bounty | freedom |
| 21:13.47 | Bounty | making choices |
| 21:13.51 | Taintedwisp | so people think |
| 21:13.54 | JademusSreg | Tautological expression. |
| 21:13.56 | Bounty | but i dont think we have that |
| 21:13.58 | Taintedwisp | But then agian the brain has only been explored 20% |
| 21:14.08 | Bounty | i think our brains trick us into thinking we do |
| 21:14.09 | Taintedwisp | so there could be another "Processor" insid ethe brain |
| 21:14.12 | A1win | free will exists in a sense that YOU can decide what you do, but what makes you is predefined and works in a deterministic way |
| 21:14.17 | Taintedwisp | that we only use while we are asleep |
| 21:14.19 | Bounty | but we're all just programs |
| 21:14.23 | equinox1911 | but the important thing is that you don't have all the fact nessecary |
| 21:14.26 | Bounty | predefined like you said |
| 21:14.36 | Bounty | like |
| 21:14.42 | Bounty | our brains are a series of triggers |
| 21:14.43 | Taintedwisp | No we have all the facts... Just not the processor to use them |
| 21:14.45 | Bounty | if X happens |
| 21:14.46 | Bounty | Do Y |
| 21:14.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:14.51 | Taintedwisp | Thats when the 2nd hypothetical processor comes in |
| 21:14.59 | Bounty | but we all have differant trigger actions |
| 21:15.05 | Bounty | with the same events |
| 21:15.06 | Taintedwisp | Remember this is all hypothetical, not fact |
| 21:15.07 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 21:15.09 | equinox1911 | you can'T percive the WHOLE universe with your brain taint |
| 21:15.17 | equinox1911 | and thus you cant emulate the future |
| 21:15.28 | Taintedwisp | Not just me, I'm saying Everyone |
| 21:15.38 | equinox1911 | you are missing facts that could change the future |
| 21:15.43 | Taintedwisp | There is also Proof that people brains link |
| 21:15.44 | Deaod | and what equinox said applies to everybody |
| 21:15.56 | Taintedwisp | Once agian this "Link" is strongest in our sleep |
| 21:16.13 | Bounty | I love how you guys are arguing with a guy who watches Dragon Ball Z and thinks its possible |
| 21:16.16 | equinox1911 | and i say all of that while assuming the universe is predetermined |
| 21:16.34 | equinox1911 | and this is a big IF |
| 21:16.40 | Taintedwisp | Nah I dont think the universe is Pre-determined |
| 21:16.47 | Bounty | then you cant predict it |
| 21:16.47 | equinox1911 | there is no such proof |
| 21:17.01 | equinox1911 | taint you making stuff up or have read too much tabloids ^^ |
| 21:17.07 | Bounty | your cant forsee something is that not pre determined |
| 21:17.11 | Taintedwisp | I just think The brain can emulate the futre, Sports shows use Madded 2012 to Emulate games, that doesnt mean the results are always correct |
| 21:17.12 | Bounty | bc then whta if something comes along and fucks it up |
| 21:17.13 | equinox1911 | LOL |
| 21:17.18 | equinox1911 | eait a sec |
| 21:17.21 | equinox1911 | wait |
| 21:17.24 | equinox1911 | hold |
| 21:17.25 | equinox1911 | on |
| 21:17.27 | equinox1911 | i have |
| 21:17.29 | equinox1911 | to |
| 21:17.30 | equinox1911 | spell |
| 21:17.32 | equinox1911 | that |
| 21:17.35 | equinox1911 | very s |
| 21:17.37 | equinox1911 | slow |
| 21:17.37 | Taintedwisp | Once again our brain is much better then madden |
| 21:17.40 | equinox1911 | you |
| 21:17.56 | equinox1911 | think the univeres is NOT predetermined |
| 21:18.03 | Taintedwisp | yes |
| 21:18.03 | equinox1911 | and say |
| 21:18.15 | Bounty | equinox |
| 21:18.17 | Bounty | i already said it |
| 21:18.20 | equinox1911 | it is possible to predict the future |
| 21:18.27 | equinox1911 | at tzhe SAME time |
| 21:18.33 | Taintedwisp | Yes emulations, dont ALWAYS come true, therefore the universe Cannot be pre-determined, but our brains can give us the MOST LIKELY result |
| 21:18.33 | Bounty | 16] <Bounty> your cant forsee something is that not pre determined |
| 21:18.46 | Bounty | if its not determined |
| 21:18.49 | Deaod | actually, if my understanding of quantum mechanics is at least partly correct then on really small scales the universe is indeed unpredictable |
| 21:18.57 | Bounty | that means it can be disrupted |
| 21:19.01 | equinox1911 | now you talking about an emulation |
| 21:19.05 | Taintedwisp | brb gotta wake up my step mom |
| 21:19.10 | Bounty | OK |
| 21:19.13 | Bounty | ill end this |
| 21:19.14 | equinox1911 | (something i brough into the discussion btw ^^) |
| 21:19.23 | Bounty | Say you "FORSEE" someone living to be 80 years old |
| 21:19.28 | Bounty | What if i kill them |
| 21:19.34 | Bounty | after you tell me you forsaw it |
| 21:19.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:19.43 | Bounty | what now |
| 21:19.44 | Bounty | WHAT NOW |
| 21:19.56 | A1win | "but it's not always right!" |
| 21:20.08 | Deaod | which makes it useless for science |
| 21:20.11 | Bounty | then its not working |
| 21:20.11 | A1win | ;3 |
| 21:20.14 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:20.15 | A1win | which makes it a guess |
| 21:20.19 | Bounty | As Yoda would say |
| 21:20.19 | equinox1911 | this is as pointless as explaining athesim i fear |
| 21:20.23 | Bounty | Do or Do Not |
| 21:20.25 | Bounty | No Try |
| 21:20.26 | Bounty | - Yoda |
| 21:21.11 | equinox1911 | also he doesn't seem to see the logical inconsistency in his opininon :( |
| 21:21.18 | Taintedwisp | How the fuck you forsee someone being 80 |
| 21:21.28 | A1win | by predicting the future |
| 21:21.29 | Bounty | HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FORSEE ANYTHING!? |
| 21:21.31 | Bounty | EVER? |
| 21:21.32 | Bounty | ilol |
| 21:21.38 | Taintedwisp | I said Small parts.. like 1 second of the future |
| 21:21.41 | A1win | <.< |
| 21:21.45 | Taintedwisp | Not 80 Fukin years... |
| 21:21.52 | Bounty | ok well |
| 21:21.55 | A1win | you only need to see 1 sec of him being 80 |
| 21:21.59 | Bounty | what if its 1 second away from being their 80th birthday |
| 21:22.06 | Bounty | and i kill them right before |
| 21:22.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:22.20 | Bounty | how does that shit taste? |
| 21:22.20 | A1win | I can see 1 sec into the future too |
| 21:22.25 | Taintedwisp | I dunno, I have only tried to change it one time... and ended up causing it |
| 21:22.26 | Bounty | mmm |
| 21:22.37 | Taintedwisp | Not 1 second... |
| 21:22.40 | Bounty | sounds like the story of Anakin skywalker |
| 21:22.46 | Taintedwisp | One second OF the future |
| 21:23.02 | A1win | yeah we get that |
| 21:23.12 | A1win | you confused it yourself |
| 21:23.25 | Taintedwisp | So are you saying that you are not going to Disreguard that dream of him being 80 yrs old? |
| 21:23.38 | Bounty | huh |
| 21:23.42 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 21:23.47 | Bounty | why would you regard a dream as anything ever? |
| 21:23.50 | A1win | I never take any of my dreams as predictions |
| 21:23.51 | Bounty | its a dream |
| 21:23.54 | Taintedwisp | Would you really remember that past 5 seconds after you wake up |
| 21:23.57 | Bounty | you know what a dream is? |
| 21:24.00 | JademusSreg | Determinism and the phenomenon of agency are not mutually exclusive, and moreover are not in conflict as they do not address the same domain of problems. Even assuming a strong determinism (which is not a tenable position, given our current understanding of how shit works), agency as an experience is independent of observations about the mechanisms which govern the behavior of whatever |
| 21:24.01 | JademusSreg | underlying systems may explain its genesis. Knowing more about the causation of the experience of agency doesn't make the experience any less authentic. |
| 21:24.16 | Bounty | you know what a dream is right Tainted? |
| 21:24.17 | Taintedwisp | I dont either A1win, all I am saying is I have a habit of Seeing stuff that Then remember it from a dream |
| 21:24.27 | Taintedwisp | Dream |
| 21:24.29 | Bounty | its your brain releasing natural psychedelics |
| 21:24.38 | Bounty | its a natural hallucination |
| 21:24.53 | Taintedwisp | Eh... So scientist say... So scientist say.. |
| 21:24.57 | A1win | you can "remember" things that you just thought of, it's just a trick your brain plays on you |
| 21:24.58 | Bounty | which is why if you dont sleep |
| 21:25.01 | Bounty | you hallucinate |
| 21:25.05 | Taintedwisp | Scientist are morons.. First and Foremost... and geniuses second |
| 21:25.06 | Deaod | tainted, 1 second is a short enough time to match up against a dream you subconciously remember by chance |
| 21:25.08 | Bounty | because your brain releases the psychedelic |
| 21:25.41 | Bounty | I hope i have a dream that you gets super aids |
| 21:25.45 | Bounty | and cancer |
| 21:25.46 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 21:25.48 | Bounty | and kill yourself |
| 21:25.50 | Taintedwisp | and no limbs? |
| 21:25.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:25.53 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:25.53 | Bounty | that to |
| 21:25.54 | Taintedwisp | I wouldnt kill my self |
| 21:26.00 | Bounty | but what if i forsee it |
| 21:26.02 | Bounty | then waht |
| 21:26.05 | Bounty | you cant change it |
| 21:26.08 | Bounty | i saw it |
| 21:26.11 | Bounty | I SEENT IT |
| 21:26.16 | Taintedwisp | I may sound like an idiot, but I do have one hell of a good memory lol even in all this confusing garbage of an argument |
| 21:26.33 | Taintedwisp | Just because you see it doesnt mean its going to come true |
| 21:26.35 | Bounty | but you use your memory for garbage |
| 21:26.40 | A1win | of course it does |
| 21:26.46 | equinox1911 | then you should be able to see the mess you fabricate ... |
| 21:26.50 | A1win | you just said we all can predict the future |
| 21:27.00 | Taintedwisp | Not really... One correct Prediction just means Millions of Failures. |
| 21:27.05 | A1win | indeed |
| 21:27.09 | A1win | it's a GUESS |
| 21:27.11 | equinox1911 | then its guessing |
| 21:27.27 | Taintedwisp | A PREDICTION IS A GUESS!!! |
| 21:27.28 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:27.40 | Bounty | If i come up with a lottery system and i lose everytime for 30 years but i finally win after 30 years of failure |
| 21:27.41 | Taintedwisp | I said that the brain can predict the future... |
| 21:27.42 | A1win | are you serious+ x.x |
| 21:27.46 | A1win | *? |
| 21:27.47 | Bounty | does that mean its possible to predict the lottery? |
| 21:27.51 | Taintedwisp | I used the Word PREDICT on purpose |
| 21:27.51 | Bounty | ANSWER THAT ONE SMARTASS |
| 21:27.54 | equinox1911 | then a predicttion is not in fact the future |
| 21:28.00 | Taintedwisp | Yes it is possible to predict the lottery |
| 21:28.02 | Taintedwisp | ALOT OF LUCK |
| 21:28.16 | Bounty | there is no luck in predicting |
| 21:28.19 | Bounty | thats why we have the words |
| 21:28.21 | Bounty | predict |
| 21:28.23 | Bounty | and guess |
| 21:28.24 | A1win | you're messed up |
| 21:28.33 | Dustin | Random != Prediction |
| 21:28.55 | Taintedwisp | to declare or tell in advance; |
| 21:28.56 | equinox1911 | guess = basic knowledge of a situation + luck + extrapolation |
| 21:28.58 | A1win | what the hell do you mean by prediction if it means it can sometimes be wrong? |
| 21:29.07 | Taintedwisp | That doesnt mean predictions arent wrong every day |
| 21:29.17 | A1win | what makes it different from a guess? |
| 21:29.23 | equinox1911 | prediction = guess - luck |
| 21:29.27 | Taintedwisp | Nothing |
| 21:29.33 | A1win | so it's a guess |
| 21:29.37 | A1win | why do you call it a prediction |
| 21:29.46 | Bounty | i mean technically |
| 21:29.47 | equinox1911 | if it is a guess |
| 21:29.50 | Deaod | it sounds better |
| 21:29.50 | Bounty | the word prediction has no use |
| 21:29.51 | Bounty | ever |
| 21:29.55 | Bounty | its a useless word |
| 21:29.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:29.57 | equinox1911 | you don't need the word prediction |
| 21:30.07 | equinox1911 | thus just scewing on semantics with us |
| 21:30.15 | Taintedwisp | The word Prediction lets BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU |
| 21:30.19 | Taintedwisp | Pre - Means Before |
| 21:30.23 | Taintedwisp | Dict- To say |
| 21:30.28 | equinox1911 | verhersage |
| 21:30.29 | A1win | >_> |
| 21:30.38 | Taintedwisp | MEANS TO SAY BEFORE IT HAPPENS |
| 21:30.39 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:30.47 | Taintedwisp | Dammit |
| 21:30.50 | equinox1911 | but it implies that it will come true |
| 21:30.54 | Bounty | you could have just used googled Tainted |
| 21:30.54 | A1win | inb4 inb4 |
| 21:30.55 | Bounty | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prediction |
| 21:30.56 | Deaod | yes, i think most of us can break a word down into ancient greek as well |
| 21:31.02 | Taintedwisp | Implies is the false word here |
| 21:31.16 | Bounty | Your pulling a Glen Beck |
| 21:31.22 | Taintedwisp | Anctient greek, no, Just rootwords and such of Proper english |
| 21:31.43 | A1win | that's not what it means, though |
| 21:31.44 | equinox1911 | its latin |
| 21:31.46 | equinox1911 | .... |
| 21:31.48 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:31.48 | A1win | it's just where it comes from |
| 21:31.49 | Deaod | meh |
| 21:31.52 | Deaod | almost right |
| 21:31.59 | Deaod | latin came from greek |
| 21:32.01 | Deaod | so fuck it |
| 21:32.07 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:32.10 | equinox1911 | predicere |
| 21:32.13 | equinox1911 | latin |
| 21:32.14 | Taintedwisp | who cares honestly... The point WAS |
| 21:32.31 | Taintedwisp | that the brain is 100 million times more powerful then we could even imagine |
| 21:32.38 | Deaod | no its not. |
| 21:32.41 | equinox1911 | (præ-, "before," and dicere, "to say") |
| 21:32.53 | Bounty | 100 million times? |
| 21:32.55 | Taintedwisp | Deaod Who are you listing to? Scientist? They are idiots |
| 21:32.58 | equinox1911 | you were going the road of semantics |
| 21:33.05 | equinox1911 | so stomach it |
| 21:33.06 | Taintedwisp | Think about it, they change everything they believe ever 10 years |
| 21:33.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:33.26 | Taintedwisp | I dont trust Scientist, because tomorrow Gravity wont exist.. |
| 21:33.28 | Bounty | They change theories |
| 21:33.31 | equinox1911 | latin and greek are not in fact related |
| 21:33.31 | Taintedwisp | According to Einstine it doesnt |
| 21:33.33 | Bounty | thats why they call them theories |
| 21:33.34 | Deaod | actually, scientists are about the only ones who have any clue about how our world works, because they can make accurate predictions |
| 21:33.37 | equinox1911 | not as much as u might think |
| 21:33.37 | Bounty | bc they are subject to change |
| 21:33.40 | A1win | scientists don't believe in their theories, they use them to APPROXIMATE reality |
| 21:33.55 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:34.01 | Bounty | hence why they're theories |
| 21:34.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:34.08 | Taintedwisp | I trust What I look into. that is all |
| 21:34.17 | Bounty | its a fact/law or its a theory |
| 21:34.17 | Taintedwisp | What I experience for myself |
| 21:34.19 | Bounty | derp |
| 21:34.31 | Taintedwisp | these Laws and facts change too |
| 21:34.37 | Taintedwisp | So really they are all theorys |
| 21:34.38 | Bounty | not that i know of |
| 21:34.52 | equinox1911 | laws in physics dont chane |
| 21:34.53 | A1win | Taintedwisp, that's why they're called, you know, theories |
| 21:34.54 | Bounty | when has a fact ceased to be a fact? |
| 21:34.54 | equinox1911 | change |
| 21:34.57 | Taintedwisp | the Laws of Physics was changed by Einstein |
| 21:35.00 | Deaod | okay... |
| 21:35.06 | equinox1911 | they are disgarded when proven WRONG |
| 21:35.13 | Deaod | its so easy to be wrong.. |
| 21:35.14 | equinox1911 | i ment PROVEN |
| 21:35.17 | A1win | Taintedwisp, the theories about laws of physics were changed by him |
| 21:35.18 | Taintedwisp | He proved that Nothing is being pulled Toward the Earth.. that its being pushed by the space around it |
| 21:35.19 | JademusSreg | It warrants mention that memory is inherently faulty, as the mechanism of recall involves rewriting the memory, which makes it susceptible to modification. State-dependent memory, whereby the recall of a memory is dependent upon or enhanced by the state of the person when the memory was formed, is an example of positive feedback, where recalling the memory in that state strengthens the |
| 21:35.20 | JademusSreg | dependency. Related is how one's current state when recalling a memory colors the perception of that memory later, so that recalling fond memories in a distressed state can rewrite the perception of that memory when recalled later. |
| 21:35.25 | Bounty | Ah |
| 21:35.27 | Bounty | there it is |
| 21:35.29 | Bounty | good ol jade |
| 21:35.36 | Bounty | was wondering why he wasnt speaking |
| 21:35.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@p4FC51EF7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:35.42 | Bounty | hey jademussreg |
| 21:35.43 | Bounty | hint hint |
| 21:35.48 | Bounty | nobody is going to read taht shit |
| 21:35.51 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:35.52 | JademusSreg | Because I only participate in this conversation intermittently. |
| 21:35.54 | Deaod | i concede that my statement about latin and greek being related languages is wrong |
| 21:36.00 | Deaod | just to clear it up |
| 21:36.21 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:36.36 | JademusSreg | And if I were in the habit of beneficently giving a shit whether people will read what I write, I wouldn't write at all. |
| 21:37.07 | equinox1911 | deaod : its a common missconcetion |
| 21:37.27 | Deaod | it probably doesnt help that i was taught this misconception in school |
| 21:37.31 | equinox1911 | fuled by the fact that there gods ARE the same ^^ |
| 21:37.37 | Deaod | as far as i can remember anyway |
| 21:37.58 | equinox1911 | its their belive system that is closley related |
| 21:38.07 | Deaod | mmmh |
| 21:38.07 | equinox1911 | and cpoied by the romans |
| 21:38.13 | equinox1911 | *copied |
| 21:39.15 | equinox1911 | syracus (in sicilly) was a greek colony for a VERY long time also Tarent |
| 21:39.33 | Taintedwisp | ummm romans where christians last.. :D |
| 21:39.37 | Taintedwisp | their gods where my god |
| 21:39.38 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:39.41 | Deaod | anyway, the point i wanted to make is that you cant go to the origin of a word to grasp its modern meaning |
| 21:39.45 | equinox1911 | idiot |
| 21:39.53 | Deaod | ° |
| 21:39.58 | equinox1911 | that happend around 334 |
| 21:39.59 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.10 | Taintedwisp | LAWL |
| 21:40.19 | Deaod | youre an idiot, tainted. |
| 21:40.25 | equinox1911 | is that time christianity became the romansstate religion |
| 21:40.39 | equinox1911 | around that time |
| 21:40.48 | equinox1911 | (can't remember the actual date ^^ ) |
| 21:41.02 | Deaod | when christianity became the offical religion of the roman empire, most romans were christian |
| 21:41.24 | Bounty | im going to the liquor store |
| 21:41.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:41.27 | Bounty | later |
| 21:41.30 | Bounty | this shit is to much |
| 21:41.30 | Deaod | cya |
| 21:41.45 | equinox1911 | bya |
| 21:41.48 | equinox1911 | cya |
| 21:41.51 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:41.58 | Taintedwisp | DAMN IM AWESOME |
| 21:41.59 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:42.09 | equinox1911 | no , not the majority was chrtian |
| 21:42.11 | equinox1911 | not at all |
| 21:42.18 | equinox1911 | it was a powerful minoryty |
| 21:42.25 | equinox1911 | even in rome itself |
| 21:42.37 | Taintedwisp | There was one cool thing about this was the fact that we just had a semi- intelligent conversation about religion without anyone getting pissy |
| 21:42.39 | Deaod | fuck this shit |
| 21:42.43 | Taintedwisp | I think thats a miricle |
| 21:42.45 | Deaod | im just gonna shut up |
| 21:42.53 | Taintedwisp | Next Politics... and why you hate obama |
| 21:42.55 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:43.02 | Deaod | do you? |
| 21:43.05 | Taintedwisp | yes |
| 21:43.07 | Taintedwisp | 100 fold |
| 21:43.08 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:43.10 | Deaod | fuck you. |
| 21:43.25 | Taintedwisp | Worst clown america has ever had |
| 21:43.28 | Deaod | i dont say hes the ideal candidate. |
| 21:43.49 | Deaod | but id say that all the other realistic options are worse. |
| 21:43.52 | Deaod | much worse. |
| 21:44.02 | Deaod | and yes, that includes paul |
| 21:44.09 | Taintedwisp | hes a publicity stunt... and the only reason he was voted was white poeple being afraid of being racist |
| 21:44.17 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I agree I hated everyone... |
| 21:44.17 | equinox1911 | paul is neat |
| 21:44.21 | Taintedwisp | we need another Reagan |
| 21:44.23 | Taintedwisp | Bad |
| 21:44.30 | Deaod | except that isolationism is bad. |
| 21:44.33 | Taintedwisp | someone who will help teh economy and tell Iran to piss off |
| 21:45.11 | equinox1911 | 07[22:42] <Taintedwisp> 00There was one cool thing about this was the fact that we just had a semi- intelligent conversation about religion without anyone getting pissy01 |
| 21:45.15 | equinox1911 | that was no convo |
| 21:45.23 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:45.24 | equinox1911 | that was you sreaming random bs |
| 21:45.30 | equinox1911 | screaming |
| 21:45.34 | Taintedwisp | it wasent really random.. |
| 21:45.35 | Taintedwisp | lol] |
| 21:45.47 | equinox1911 | ok let me refine |
| 21:46.00 | equinox1911 | wrong semi-random bs |
| 21:46.10 | Taintedwisp | not really Wrong... just unproven |
| 21:46.15 | Taintedwisp | Theory... |
| 21:46.22 | equinox1911 | logically disproven |
| 21:46.22 | Taintedwisp | Just like all science |
| 21:46.25 | Deaod | not even theories. |
| 21:46.29 | Taintedwisp | Not really disproven.. |
| 21:46.30 | Deaod | theories make predicitons |
| 21:46.35 | equinox1911 | science is logically proven |
| 21:46.42 | equinox1911 | and backed by facts |
| 21:46.49 | Taintedwisp | for 10 years until some new info comes out then it changes |
| 21:47.02 | Taintedwisp | and breaks theories which we still use |
| 21:47.09 | equinox1911 | go learn what logic is and how a logical argument work .. |
| 21:47.23 | Taintedwisp | Scientist can tell how long a human has been dead.... but they dont account for Buzzards... |
| 21:47.25 | equinox1911 | thats all i can say without calling you an uneducated redneck |
| 21:47.26 | equinox1911 | LOL |
| 21:48.04 | Taintedwisp | nah i have a decent Education... redneck... EHhhh probably not, southern Definatly |
| 21:48.12 | Taintedwisp | Rednecks are just pissy yankees |
| 21:48.23 | equinox1911 | the possibilityy to fail is an advantage of science |
| 21:48.26 | Taintedwisp | The word redneck refering to a northern States union worker |
| 21:48.28 | equinox1911 | i hope you can see that |
| 21:48.42 | Taintedwisp | exactly equinox |
| 21:48.47 | Taintedwisp | that is one of the few truths of science |
| 21:48.56 | Deaod | hm? |
| 21:49.04 | Taintedwisp | science always changes, I just dont believe what they currently believe to be true |
| 21:49.08 | equinox1911 | and its greates stengh |
| 21:49.11 | Taintedwisp | the earth was flat 200 years ago |
| 21:49.23 | Taintedwisp | creates strength? |
| 21:49.29 | Deaod | a little more than that. |
| 21:49.35 | equinox1911 | true in a scientiffic mindset means not disproven |
| 21:49.37 | Taintedwisp | not trying to be grammer police by that one was a bit bad |
| 21:49.55 | Deaod | in fact, columbus worked from the assumption that the earth wasnt flat. |
| 21:50.05 | equinox1911 | over 500 hundred years ago the helicentric worldview was adapteed into europe |
| 21:50.28 | equinox1911 | thats not being grammar police |
| 21:50.48 | equinox1911 | that is one of the ESSENTIAL points of the scientific method |
| 21:51.11 | Taintedwisp | yeah i know |
| 21:51.12 | Deaod | theories are models to explain all currently known phenomena. |
| 21:51.15 | equinox1911 | this method says there is no absolute truth outside of math |
| 21:51.17 | Taintedwisp | Im terrible with dates |
| 21:51.21 | Taintedwisp | I am the first to admit that |
| 21:51.24 | Deaod | OBSERVABLE phenomena |
| 21:51.48 | Taintedwisp | But according to science, what they cant prove doesnt Exist... thats what I dont like |
| 21:52.06 | equinox1911 | and the theories you "don'T belive in" are de facto |
| 21:52.09 | Taintedwisp | They dont believe in ghost or any kind of entities, yet its a world wide phenomena |
| 21:52.23 | equinox1911 | the most advanced understandings on how the world works |
| 21:52.39 | equinox1911 | no that is not true |
| 21:52.42 | Taintedwisp | By some person, who was no smarter then you or I |
| 21:52.49 | JademusSreg | Tentative knowledge to a verifiable quality of certainty subject to defeasibility and revision. Sounds more reasonable than some ancient worldview expressed through folktales eventually transcribed and shuffled through a parade of translations, editorializing, and interpretation being treated as though it were immutable truth. |
| 21:52.54 | equinox1911 | science doesnt say what cant be proven doesnt exist |
| 21:53.03 | Taintedwisp | IQ is not mesured by how much you know, but how much you can retain |
| 21:53.05 | equinox1911 | it says nothing CAN be proven |
| 21:53.16 | equinox1911 | things only can be DISPROVEN |
| 21:53.22 | equinox1911 | or proven wrong |
| 21:53.33 | equinox1911 | im really getting to the limits of my english here |
| 21:53.34 | Deaod | fun fact, IQ is not about memory |
| 21:53.52 | A1win | things can only be disproven based on current theories, which might change, so all in all nothing can be disproven either |
| 21:53.53 | Helral | meow |
| 21:54.01 | equinox1911 | smarter is not important |
| 21:54.04 | Deaod | of course, there are countless definitions of intelligence |
| 21:54.14 | equinox1911 | itthe important hings is the theories work |
| 21:54.21 | Deaod | so youll undoubtedly be able to find a definition that proves me wrong |
| 21:54.22 | Taintedwisp | Yeah but what if what they use to prove something wrong, Was in itself incorrect because they didnt have enough to prove it incorrect at the time the theory was created? |
| 21:54.30 | equinox1911 | until they dont work then we have to think about new thories |
| 21:54.51 | equinox1911 | irrelevant (mostly |
| 21:54.53 | equinox1911 | ) |
| 21:55.01 | JademusSreg | A1, that is not accurate. |
| 21:55.13 | equinox1911 | this is the point where science prevails |
| 21:55.20 | equinox1911 | BECUSE it can FAIL |
| 21:55.40 | equinox1911 | without shattering its foundation (which is the scientific method) |
| 21:55.43 | Taintedwisp | My only point is that science changes too much to Trust anything that it says |
| 21:56.01 | equinox1911 | k the ndon'T trust in the sun rising tomorrow |
| 21:56.11 | equinox1911 | you problem when ur late to work |
| 21:56.15 | equinox1911 | your |
| 21:56.26 | Taintedwisp | The laws of physics may ONLY apply here on earth.. |
| 21:56.27 | A1win | Taintedwisp, so what would you trust instead? |
| 21:56.36 | equinox1911 | no they don'T |
| 21:56.42 | equinox1911 | we have proven that |
| 21:56.44 | Taintedwisp | Nothing trust nothing... |
| 21:56.45 | Deaod | actually, laws of physics are universal |
| 21:56.58 | equinox1911 | e.i. we can prove that |
| 21:57.08 | A1win | Taintedwisp, why is that better than trusting something that is right in very many cases? |
| 21:57.10 | JademusSreg | Logically, if A is not B and B is not A, then the assertion A is B is demonstrably false; the assertion is a logical contradiction. |
| 21:57.14 | equinox1911 | and if its only by though experiment and calculation |
| 21:57.30 | Taintedwisp | You can Distrust something and still use it |
| 21:57.39 | equinox1911 | good point jade |
| 21:57.49 | equinox1911 | that doen't make sense |
| 21:57.49 | Taintedwisp | if you have ever done carpentry, you would know that you dont trust the saw... yet you must use it to succeed |
| 21:57.55 | A1win | JademusSreg, that's assuming you know exactly what A and B are |
| 21:58.01 | equinox1911 | and its rape |
| 21:58.14 | equinox1911 | wrong |
| 21:58.15 | JademusSreg | All other applications of reason relying on logic, you can demonstrate the impossibility or otherwise disprove a given assertion by demonstrating a fundamental logical error. |
| 21:58.22 | Deaod | were going into semantics again, i fear |
| 21:58.31 | A1win | logic only works if all the assumptions are correct |
| 21:58.37 | Taintedwisp | If A is not B and B is not A, but B is C and A is C, then What are A and B? |
| 21:58.39 | Taintedwisp | Lol |
| 21:58.39 | equinox1911 | don't trust your actions should be assumtion |
| 21:58.54 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:59.02 | equinox1911 | @a1 this is wrong |
| 21:59.03 | Taintedwisp | Okay that was some random shit I posted there... |
| 21:59.08 | Taintedwisp | I dunno know what I typed.. |
| 21:59.09 | equinox1911 | logic work everytime |
| 21:59.09 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 21:59.16 | A1win | eh? |
| 21:59.19 | JademusSreg | The values of A and B were defined first, A1. |
| 21:59.28 | equinox1911 | at its best if it returns false |
| 21:59.39 | A1win | that only works in exact science like maths |
| 21:59.48 | A1win | because there you CAN define them |
| 21:59.57 | JademusSreg | And Taint, the answer is that A and B are a subset of C. |
| 22:00.11 | equinox1911 | read what i wrote a1 |
| 22:00.16 | Deaod | "This. Sentence. Is. False. dontthinkaboutitdonthinkaboutitdontthinkaboutit ..." |
| 22:00.24 | Taintedwisp | If A is not B and B is not A, but A is C, and B is C, that means A and B exist Parallel on two different planes |
| 22:00.31 | equinox1911 | also, logic works in language as well |
| 22:00.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-180-50.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 22:01.18 | equinox1911 | i hate doing this but : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic |
| 22:01.31 | equinox1911 | there are tons of types of logic |
| 22:01.51 | equinox1911 | and they all work in their fields |
| 22:02.00 | Taintedwisp | According to science... LOL |
| 22:02.00 | equinox1911 | for which thesy were desinged |
| 22:02.04 | A1win | "if this dice has 1 and 6 on opposite sides, 3 and 4 on opposite sides, and 5 on one side, it's only logical that it has 2 at the sixth side" but what if it's not a regular dice and has a picture of a pig on the opposite side of 5 :| |
| 22:02.07 | equinox1911 | your righ in one point |
| 22:02.29 | equinox1911 | mathemathics is the purest kind of logic |
| 22:02.54 | Taintedwisp | This is all i truely believe in Pseudoscience |
| 22:02.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:03.04 | Taintedwisp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience |
| 22:03.08 | equinox1911 | this was a faulty logical assuption |
| 22:03.13 | A1win | I never said logic doesn't work |
| 22:03.22 | A1win | I mean |
| 22:03.40 | A1win | what I meant to say was logic only provides correct results if the assumptions are correct |
| 22:03.40 | equinox1911 | there was no way you could predict the 5 with the stuff provided above |
| 22:03.44 | Taintedwisp | PsuedoScience doesnt work with current science... |
| 22:03.51 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:04.19 | A1win | the logic itself is not wrong |
| 22:04.29 | A1win | but if the assumptions are wrong, the deduction can be wrong |
| 22:04.29 | equinox1911 | it is NEVER wrong lol |
| 22:04.33 | equinox1911 | its set of rules |
| 22:04.39 | equinox1911 | its not true/false |
| 22:04.44 | equinox1911 | it prduces it ^^ |
| 22:04.47 | A1win | I know |
| 22:04.48 | equinox1911 | produces |
| 22:04.56 | A1win | I just said it's never wrong |
| 22:05.12 | Taintedwisp | Technically nothing is wrong.. but nothing is right. |
| 22:05.13 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:05.13 | equinox1911 | and yes you have to work with valid assuptions |
| 22:05.21 | A1win | Taintedwisp, now you're trolling ;p |
| 22:05.26 | Taintedwisp | okay that was.. |
| 22:05.31 | Taintedwisp | not going to lie |
| 22:05.35 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:05.38 | JademusSreg | A1, my point is that disproof in science is more confident than proof, because demonstrating the physical impossibility of an assertion is a demonstration of its logical impossibility, given the tentative body of empirically-derived knowledge. The harshest thing you can then say is that the confidence with which an assertion is disproven correlates to the confidence of the evidence that |
| 22:05.38 | JademusSreg | demonstrates its impossibility, and the means accounting for all the theories which support the evidence in turn. |
| 22:05.41 | Taintedwisp | semi - trolling |
| 22:06.05 | Taintedwisp | now wait how did all this start? |
| 22:06.10 | A1win | JademusSreg, yeah sure ;p |
| 22:06.10 | Taintedwisp | something about bounty hating his life |
| 22:06.15 | Taintedwisp | then suicide |
| 22:06.19 | Taintedwisp | then religion |
| 22:06.25 | A1win | but it's not absolute disproof |
| 22:06.27 | Taintedwisp | then quantum physics |
| 22:06.28 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:06.43 | Taintedwisp | gotta love long arguments... |
| 22:06.46 | equinox1911 | don't talk in absolutes |
| 22:06.54 | equinox1911 | thats not going to help |
| 22:06.55 | JademusSreg | It is absolute within a degree of confidence, if you want to make a silly qualification. |
| 22:07.04 | JademusSreg | I mean, I could add adjectives and clauses all day. |
| 22:07.19 | A1win | yeah but we were just talking about gods and stuff |
| 22:07.30 | A1win | so it's only fair it'd need to be absolute |
| 22:07.36 | equinox1911 | no |
| 22:07.40 | equinox1911 | no need |
| 22:07.50 | A1win | pff |
| 22:07.54 | Taintedwisp | The lord is absolute... and still in teh 21st century... unproven lol |
| 22:07.54 | equinox1911 | tbh it is hindering |
| 22:08.21 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, if I say x is certain, and you say but x isn't "absolute" (meaningless qualification as far as I'm concerned), I could add epxressions like x*y*z is confident, where y and z are constant. |
| 22:08.25 | Taintedwisp | but unproven wrong... |
| 22:08.35 | equinox1911 | and when i say no need i mean there are no true abolutes outside of math |
| 22:09.21 | JademusSreg | Well, thankfully we have math to support our sciences; before that, we called it philosophy. Baduntsss |
| 22:09.32 | equinox1911 | beacause defining something as absolute ends in a is a bc of a is a |
| 22:09.37 | equinox1911 | tautologie |
| 22:10.22 | Taintedwisp | yeah I agree with jade math is great, though I predict(likely to be untrue) that in the next 500 years math will be changed to a much greater form of understanding and Everything we know today will become false |
| 22:10.32 | equinox1911 | philosophy is still the foundation of science and even provides essential stuff for math |
| 22:10.51 | equinox1911 | now u did it |
| 22:10.53 | equinox1911 | lol |
| 22:10.54 | Deaod | tainted, you cant invalidate current knowledge |
| 22:11.15 | equinox1911 | the only absolute we have (math ) and you say it worthless |
| 22:11.15 | Taintedwisp | I dont try to prove anything |
| 22:11.16 | equinox1911 | LOL |
| 22:11.24 | Taintedwisp | My beliefs are my own |
| 22:11.31 | equinox1911 | they are faluty |
| 22:11.34 | Deaod | its probably accurate to say that most theories will have to be adjusted or replace, but the adjustments dont invalidate previous discoveries. |
| 22:11.35 | equinox1911 | faulty |
| 22:11.47 | equinox1911 | ´... |
| 22:11.48 | JademusSreg | Yes, eq, but I make jokes at philosophy's expense because I have a background in it. |
| 22:12.05 | equinox1911 | i can tell |
| 22:12.11 | Taintedwisp | Philosophy... thats what the drunks at the bar do right? |
| 22:12.11 | equinox1911 | :P |
| 22:12.12 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 22:13.04 | Taintedwisp | Now I remember how this really started... I was conducting research in the psychology of players to see if I could throw a map in the back of their head and make them want to play it :D |
| 22:13.17 | equinox1911 | to give u a hint its the way how you comunicate |
| 22:13.22 | equinox1911 | and your selfconvifrnce |
| 22:13.25 | equinox1911 | lol |
| 22:13.35 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:13.56 | Deaod | selfconvifrnce - selfconfidence? |
| 22:14.20 | JademusSreg | Don't spoil it, Deaod. I have -selfconvifrnce-=. |
| 22:14.25 | Taintedwisp | i got it too |
| 22:14.30 | Deaod | awwww |
| 22:14.39 | Deaod | sowwy... |
| 22:14.43 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:14.44 | Taintedwisp | it otay |
| 22:14.45 | equinox1911 | i too had my share of philosphical education |
| 22:14.46 | equinox1911 | ^^ |
| 22:14.51 | equinox1911 | yes thats what i ment |
| 22:15.17 | equinox1911 | the thing is my english is not the best , and i forgot a lot ... |
| 22:15.29 | Taintedwisp | lol I figured that some time ago |
| 22:15.39 | A1win | interesting o: http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/61884-spider-silk-is-superb-conductor-of-heat |
| 22:15.44 | Taintedwisp | when you were talking about american education |
| 22:15.52 | Taintedwisp | what country you from normally? germany? |
| 22:16.06 | equinox1911 | i could write better english i suppose , but then i wouldnt reply in a timely fashipon |
| 22:16.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:16.15 | equinox1911 | fashion |
| 22:16.31 | Deaod | yes, im from germany, if you meant me... |
| 22:16.42 | equinox1911 | now its np , but earlier there was just too much talk in here^^ |
| 22:17.02 | equinox1911 | me2 @ deao |
| 22:17.04 | Taintedwisp | HITLER |
| 22:17.06 | Taintedwisp | lawl jk |
| 22:17.25 | Deaod | bah. |
| 22:17.30 | Deaod | get over it. |
| 22:17.33 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:17.47 | Taintedwisp | i dont care.. im not jewish gay or retarted... or black for that matter |
| 22:17.56 | equinox1911 | yes, hitler is a german surname |
| 22:17.59 | equinox1911 | ;) |
| 22:18.25 | Taintedwisp | Im white, american, christian... |
| 22:18.27 | equinox1911 | tbh im not sure about the retarded part ;) |
| 22:18.32 | Taintedwisp | the most hated on earth... apearently |
| 22:18.34 | Taintedwisp | :D |
| 22:18.42 | Deaod | what the fuck? |
| 22:18.55 | equinox1911 | or the part where you are mature or ever will become ^^^ |
| 22:19.12 | Deaod | of course you poor white christian americans have it rough... |
| 22:19.19 | Deaod | so very rough |
| 22:19.26 | Taintedwisp | I refuse to fully grow up, my dream is to be 40 and watch spongebob or looney tunes while eating cereal every morning... |
| 22:19.31 | Taintedwisp | in my underwear on the couch.. |
| 22:19.32 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:19.53 | Deaod | which tells me youre about 15 - 20 years old. |
| 22:19.58 | Taintedwisp | Deaod, I wouldnt say ruff... we just get blamed for everythine thats happend for every race |
| 22:19.59 | Taintedwisp | im 19 |
| 22:20.26 | A1win | when I was 10 or so, I was sure I'd never ever get bored of legos |
| 22:20.26 | Taintedwisp | somehow its my fault theres some starvin kids in eutheopia... |
| 22:20.28 | equinox1911 | i said mature not grow up ^^^ |
| 22:20.34 | A1win | then I got a computer = better than |
| 22:20.50 | Taintedwisp | i got a computer... and I still love legos... jut hate the ones that come out no |
| 22:20.58 | Taintedwisp | I like the old legos the ones that came in a 5 gal bucke |
| 22:21.00 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:21.06 | Taintedwisp | you had no instructions |
| 22:21.36 | A1win | I only used the instructions once, then disassembled everything and built some crazy stuff |
| 22:21.39 | Deaod | oh, theres the thing i hate the US for, insisting on stupid imperial units. |
| 22:21.47 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 22:21.53 | Taintedwisp | i like Gal, Lt, lol |
| 22:21.59 | Taintedwisp | or is it li i dont remember |
| 22:22.00 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:22.04 | Taintedwisp | I used them both |
| 22:22.17 | Taintedwisp | I use metric and Imperial.. imperial is easier to learn though |
| 22:22.23 | Deaod | no. |
| 22:22.24 | Taintedwisp | but metric makes more sense |
| 22:22.39 | Deaod | why should imperial be more easy to learn? |
| 22:22.57 | Taintedwisp | I dont know why it is, its just easier |
| 22:23.08 | JademusSreg | When I was a child, I wanted to understand, but as children do, was not inclined to eschew the wonder and mystery of the world. It is our inclination to try to make sense of a world through whatever window we happen to be looking, to solve our problems with whatever tools we have at hand, to interpret our experiences and assemble an understanding of them in the intimate shadows of own |
| 22:23.08 | JademusSreg | biases, comforting as they are. And so we grow, and we let go of magic, of superstition, of the gross simplifications we impose, until we are in the light and discomforted, stripped naked of pretension and self-importance, born to face a new and frightening world without only our intellectual nudity, inquiry and reason. |
| 22:23.15 | Taintedwisp | 1000 meters = 1 kilometer... 5082 ft = 1 mi |
| 22:23.16 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:23.26 | Taintedwisp | Imperial is still easier to me |
| 22:24.05 | Bounty | lul |
| 22:24.09 | A1win | ...because that's what you were educated with |
| 22:24.24 | Bounty | this shit is still going on? |
| 22:24.26 | Deaod | youre living in the only country that still officially uses imperial units |
| 22:24.31 | Taintedwisp | no we were taught Metric first.. its just everythin uses Imperial in america |
| 22:24.39 | Deaod | Bounty, you didnt buy booze for nothing |
| 22:24.41 | Bounty | i went to the liquor store, came home and cooked some burgers |
| 22:24.44 | Taintedwisp | F. is better it doesnt freeze at 0. :D |
| 22:24.46 | Bounty | and its still going on |
| 22:24.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:24.49 | Taintedwisp | 'Farenheight |
| 22:24.56 | A1win | Bounty, nah we're past the religion stuff |
| 22:24.57 | Bounty | fair enough Deaod |
| 22:24.58 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:25.11 | Deaod | drink yourself happy. |
| 22:25.14 | Deaod | i hear that works |
| 22:25.15 | Taintedwisp | now we are on PORN |
| 22:25.21 | Taintedwisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.35 | Bounty | nah i drink so i can map better |
| 22:25.37 | Taintedwisp | Drink yourself happy... cause you hate your life.. |
| 22:25.38 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 22:25.43 | Bounty | plus we're watching Fight Club tonight |
| 22:25.48 | Bounty | always a good movie to drink to |
| 22:25.49 | Deaod | ahhh |
| 22:25.52 | Taintedwisp | The fightclub is the shit |
| 22:26.00 | Taintedwisp | Got it on my Ps3 right now... |
| 22:26.04 | Taintedwisp | But sherlock holmes is better |
| 22:26.20 | Bounty | I doubt you like fight club for the right reasons though |
| 22:26.23 | Taintedwisp | though I dont know if the Movie(Rober Clowny Jr) or the Show Sherlock is better. both are great |
| 22:26.29 | Bounty | if you like fight club bc of the fighting |
| 22:26.32 | Bounty | ur doing it wrong |
| 22:26.44 | Taintedwisp | I like Fightclub because its a Psycological thriller |
| 22:26.50 | Taintedwisp | Same reason I love donnie Darko |
| 22:26.59 | Bounty | i like it bc everything he says is true |
| 22:27.02 | Bounty | and its interesting |
| 22:27.08 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:27.54 | Bounty | i guess thats just me |
| 22:28.17 | Taintedwisp | Dead hookers falling down, falling down, falling down, dead hookers falling down, my skanky whore.. |
| 22:28.18 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:28.21 | Bounty | who could argue that the things you own do not end up owning you |
| 22:28.24 | Taintedwisp | Dont ask where that came from |
| 22:28.27 | Bounty | no one >< |
| 22:28.36 | Taintedwisp | ME |
| 22:28.37 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:28.50 | Bounty | yeah but i meant a REAL arguement |
| 22:29.01 | Bounty | one with |
| 22:29.03 | Taintedwisp | Eh,,, one that I actually ment or one because I'm bored? |
| 22:29.03 | Bounty | you know |
| 22:29.04 | Bounty | points |
| 22:29.28 | Taintedwisp | I can put points behind De-evolutionization... |
| 22:29.39 | Taintedwisp | Not that hard... Doesnt mean I actually believe that garbage |
| 22:29.47 | Bounty | So |
| 22:30.00 | Bounty | What is your favorite quote from Fight Club |
| 22:30.00 | Bounty | go |
| 22:30.06 | Bounty | this applies to everyone |
| 22:30.07 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:30.12 | Taintedwisp | its not a quote... |
| 22:30.18 | Taintedwisp | ite more just when he shoots himself.. |
| 22:30.21 | Bounty | Well i asked for a quote |
| 22:30.27 | JademusSreg | "I want to have your abortion." |
| 22:30.28 | Taintedwisp | POW* |
| 22:30.30 | Taintedwisp | does that count? |
| 22:30.32 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:31.34 | Deaod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uAUgCBDioZM#t=130s |
| 22:32.08 | Bounty | Its funny |
| 22:32.11 | Bounty | how ironic that quote is |
| 22:32.17 | Bounty | and then Iraq happend |
| 22:32.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:32.45 | Taintedwisp | I combat that... With this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5DlpZiMZ0 |
| 22:33.02 | Bounty | but that has nothing to do with fight club |
| 22:33.35 | Taintedwisp | Boon dock saints has something to do with everything |
| 22:33.46 | Bounty | not really, ive never seen it |
| 22:33.56 | Taintedwisp | WHAT |
| 22:33.58 | Taintedwisp | WTFH |
| 22:33.58 | A1win | it's alright |
| 22:34.01 | Taintedwisp | ... |
| 22:34.02 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:34.20 | Taintedwisp | I thought it was amazing... besides the terrible irish accents. |
| 22:34.38 | Bounty | Well imo Fight Club is the greatest movie ever made |
| 22:34.40 | Taintedwisp | The accents are more like the Stereotype irish accent |
| 22:34.44 | Bounty | but thats just me |
| 22:34.44 | A1win | I prefer TV series over movies, more time to build up characters, which I've started to pay more and more attention on |
| 22:34.51 | Taintedwisp | I completley disagree |
| 22:35.05 | Taintedwisp | A1win.. only 2 shows have done that for me.... Supernatural.. and Sherlock |
| 22:35.07 | Bounty | Fight Club built the characters perfectly though |
| 22:35.20 | Bounty | but i mean you did have Ed Norton and Brad Pitt |
| 22:35.24 | Bounty | so how could you go wrong |
| 22:35.26 | A1win | those are nice, supernatural got boring with the angels & demons stuff |
| 22:35.28 | Taintedwisp | Id say 12 monkeys was Better then Fight club |
| 22:35.47 | Deaod | that movie seemed confusing as hell |
| 22:35.50 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:35.51 | Taintedwisp | not really |
| 22:36.10 | Taintedwisp | Psycological Thriller... they are suppose to confuse you. |
| 22:36.12 | A1win | Bounty, well I meant have more time to get familiar with the characters |
| 22:36.14 | Bounty | Fight Club is the most inspirational film of our time imo |
| 22:36.17 | Deaod | but that may have been because my english wasnt as good back then |
| 22:36.26 | Bounty | Can anyone argue that? |
| 22:36.29 | A1win | or you know... just have more time =P |
| 22:36.46 | Deaod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI |
| 22:37.13 | A1win | I still like The Usual Suspects the best of movies, but that's just a "learn how it's done" kind of thing |
| 22:37.23 | Taintedwisp | And this is what I have to say |
| 22:37.24 | Taintedwisp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m-G9vrgPLk |
| 22:37.28 | Bounty | Purely on an inspirational basis |
| 22:37.32 | Bounty | What would you consider the best movie |
| 22:37.43 | A1win | what do you mean by inspirational? |
| 22:37.53 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.55 | Bounty | how it sounds* |
| 22:38.17 | Taintedwisp | The best movie? Honestly Its probably Almost Heroes |
| 22:38.24 | Taintedwisp | A great movie is one that you want to watch over and over and over |
| 22:38.33 | Bounty | Hence Fight Club for me |
| 22:38.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:38.35 | Taintedwisp | not one that is amazing at first but you dont feel like watching it |
| 22:38.38 | Bounty | ive seen it atleast 200 times |
| 22:38.42 | A1win | I don't think I've ever got much inspired by movies |
| 22:38.44 | Bounty | i used to have it play on repeat |
| 22:38.48 | Taintedwisp | you have atleast seen almost heroes right? |
| 22:38.48 | Bounty | while i was on my computer |
| 22:38.51 | Bounty | nope |
| 22:38.53 | Taintedwisp | WHAT |
| 22:39.05 | Taintedwisp | With Chris Farly... |
| 22:39.46 | A1win | I used to get inspired by Matrix back when it was new, but now it isn't that cool anymore |
| 22:39.53 | Taintedwisp | A movie is only good, when to make a video of the best parts it has atleast 50 minutes... |
| 22:39.54 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:39.54 | A1win | I was a lot younger back then ;p |
| 22:40.05 | Taintedwisp | Yeha matrix kinda sucked... it got old fast |
| 22:40.12 | Bounty | Not really |
| 22:40.26 | Bounty | how does it get old? |
| 22:40.30 | Bounty | the action sequences? sure |
| 22:40.33 | Bounty | but not the message |
| 22:40.35 | Taintedwisp | It was great at first.. but then you understand how pointless the plot is.. |
| 22:40.45 | A1win | the idea gets old, it blends to all other similar ideas |
| 22:40.47 | Bounty | its not about the plot lol |
| 22:40.51 | Taintedwisp | hey thats a great topic, hold a second.. Bounty |
| 22:40.57 | Taintedwisp | The messages |
| 22:41.05 | Taintedwisp | Anyone notice that the Good messages of games is gone |
| 22:41.06 | A1win | matrix wasn't even the first movie to have realities within realities |
| 22:41.06 | Bounty | its about the premise |
| 22:41.07 | Taintedwisp | ? |
| 22:41.28 | Taintedwisp | Remember when Mortal Kombat came out it said shit liek theres no knowledge without power... what happend? |
| 22:41.31 | Bounty | the whole |
| 22:41.39 | Bounty | "What is Real? How do you define Real?" |
| 22:41.42 | Bounty | stuff like that |
| 22:41.47 | Bounty | i dont give a shit about neo |
| 22:41.48 | A1win | yeah but that's not unique to matrix anymore |
| 22:41.56 | Bounty | not anymore |
| 22:42.03 | Bounty | but as far as i know it was the original |
| 22:42.06 | Bounty | to me atleast |
| 22:42.07 | Taintedwisp | Hell with it, MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME TIME |
| 22:42.08 | Bounty | and for alot of people |
| 22:42.15 | A1win | never seen The Thirteenth floor? |
| 22:42.17 | A1win | *F |
| 22:42.24 | Taintedwisp | Thirteeen Ghost was better |
| 22:42.24 | Bounty | Its like the whole God debate |
| 22:42.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:42.31 | Bounty | You cant disprove the matrix |
| 22:42.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:42.41 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Floor |
| 22:42.47 | Taintedwisp | And therefore Science says its true |
| 22:42.56 | A1win | oh they came in the same year |
| 22:42.57 | A1win | odd |
| 22:43.16 | A1win | except that the thirteenth floor was written long before the movie |
| 22:43.27 | A1win | the movie sucked though |
| 22:43.27 | Taintedwisp | TROLL MOMENT - Now this was a real movie that made you think http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116996/ |
| 22:43.30 | Bounty | ive never seen it A1win |
| 22:43.31 | A1win | but the idea is there :P |
| 22:43.54 | A1win | it tells about a virtual reality that has "real" people in it |
| 22:44.08 | A1win | and SPOILER ALERT in the end it turns out the actual reality is also a virtual reality within another reality |
| 22:44.08 | Bounty | anyone remember this one? |
| 22:44.09 | Bounty | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405296/ |
| 22:44.15 | Bounty | ive seen it like 30 times |
| 22:44.18 | Bounty | and i still dont get it |
| 22:44.25 | A1win | yeah it's cool |
| 22:44.36 | Bounty | like i know theres some sort of message in that movie |
| 22:44.39 | Bounty | i just cant put my finger on it |
| 22:44.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:44.41 | A1win | I liked Waking Dream more though |
| 22:44.46 | Taintedwisp | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246578/ better then fight club |
| 22:44.55 | Bounty | no way |
| 22:45.00 | A1win | donnie dark is just weird |
| 22:45.00 | JademusSreg | *Waking Life |
| 22:45.05 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:45.05 | A1win | oops |
| 22:45.08 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:45.15 | Bounty | Fight Club relates to 99% of people in america lol |
| 22:45.18 | Bounty | and speaks truth |
| 22:45.21 | Taintedwisp | ehhh |
| 22:45.22 | Bounty | thats why i love it |
| 22:45.23 | Taintedwisp | not really |
| 22:45.31 | Taintedwisp | i dont know any losers who buy deisgner garbage |
| 22:46.04 | Taintedwisp | my cloths come from tractor supply... lol and furnature from anywhere selling a nice peice for cheap |
| 22:46.07 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:46.18 | Bounty | the fact of the matter is that if we all lived like fight club proposes, we would evolve >< |
| 22:46.28 | Bounty | we're not really evolving anymore because... well there is no need to |
| 22:46.29 | JademusSreg | *i dont know any losers who can afford to buy deisgner garbage |
| 22:46.45 | Taintedwisp | bounty define evolve\ |
| 22:46.51 | Bounty | lol? |
| 22:46.55 | Bounty | evolve as in |
| 22:46.56 | Bounty | evolution |
| 22:47.10 | Taintedwisp | To me we are evolving, Evolution is changing to survive |
| 22:47.12 | Taintedwisp | right? |
| 22:47.18 | Bounty | yep |
| 22:47.22 | Taintedwisp | well in that case we should be getting stupid... |
| 22:47.27 | Bounty | we are |
| 22:47.36 | Taintedwisp | because the smarter we get the more we waste... and therefore we should get dumb as hell |
| 22:47.39 | Bounty | do you ever go outside and look around at people? lol |
| 22:47.48 | Bounty | we are getting dumber |
| 22:47.48 | Taintedwisp | the scientific community Throws this theory away.. |
| 22:48.10 | Taintedwisp | even though the general IQ is lowering.. science denys this |
| 22:48.11 | A1win | we just need to use the wisdom in the right way |
| 22:48.23 | Bounty | its already over honestly |
| 22:48.26 | Bounty | to late to fix |
| 22:48.26 | Taintedwisp | but using wisdom for good is not human nature |
| 22:48.32 | Bounty | without some sort of global catastrophy |
| 22:48.34 | Taintedwisp | no its not too late |
| 22:48.35 | Bounty | we're doomed |
| 22:48.37 | Bounty | yep thats right |
| 22:48.38 | Bounty | i said it |
| 22:48.42 | Bounty | we need a doomsday |
| 22:48.44 | Bounty | to fix thing |
| 22:48.47 | Bounty | things* |
| 22:48.48 | Taintedwisp | not really.. |
| 22:48.51 | Bounty | yes |
| 22:48.52 | Taintedwisp | theres still a great chance |
| 22:48.56 | Taintedwisp | chances"* |
| 22:48.58 | Bounty | i hate to name this movie |
| 22:49.02 | A1win | jesus will save us |
| 22:49.05 | Bounty | but did anyone see the movie Whe nteh Earth stood still? |
| 22:49.14 | Taintedwisp | the knowing was better |
| 22:49.20 | Taintedwisp | the day the earth stood still was Okay |
| 22:49.26 | Taintedwisp | the 1960s version was better |
| 22:49.29 | Bounty | "Only on the precipice do we evolve" |
| 22:49.34 | Bounty | was the best aprt of the whole movie |
| 22:49.36 | Bounty | the only good part really |
| 22:49.40 | Bounty | and its true lol |
| 22:49.42 | Taintedwisp | sI dont listen to actors... |
| 22:49.47 | Taintedwisp | they are the scum of the earth.. lol |
| 22:49.56 | Bounty | i dont listen to actors |
| 22:49.59 | Bounty | i listen to the writers |
| 22:50.01 | Taintedwisp | they controll masses of people.. but they are idiots.. |
| 22:50.06 | Taintedwisp | writers... can go either way |
| 22:50.26 | Bounty | what is your opinion on this A1win |
| 22:50.27 | A1win | you know the actors actually say what the writers write? ;p |
| 22:50.35 | A1win | on what? |
| 22:50.36 | Deaod | Al Gore made the point in An Inconvenient Truth |
| 22:50.36 | Taintedwisp | lol yup |
| 22:50.48 | Deaod | you need a sudden change for people to react |
| 22:50.49 | Bounty | That we're at the point that we need a doomsday event to save us |
| 22:50.53 | Taintedwisp | Al Gore wrote but is first and foremost a scientist |
| 22:51.00 | A1win | what part of us needs saving? |
| 22:51.03 | Bounty | I dont want anyone to die but |
| 22:51.08 | Bounty | it is what it is lol |
| 22:51.11 | Bounty | what part? |
| 22:51.16 | Bounty | we're a virus at this point |
| 22:51.21 | Taintedwisp | eh |
| 22:51.25 | A1win | yeah but I mean, we aren't all going to die if this keeps going |
| 22:51.45 | A1win | there just will be more and more trouble |
| 22:51.45 | A1win | like starvation etc |
| 22:51.45 | Bounty | yeah but we need to go back to basics |
| 22:51.45 | Bounty | it will eventually stable out though |
| 22:51.55 | Deaod | how about getting massive projects underway to replace fossile fuel with other forms of energy? |
| 22:52.01 | A1win | I think people will start acting when they absolutely need to |
| 22:52.02 | Taintedwisp | well accoring to what we know currently, we are the only truely intelligent life in the universe... So we are not a plague... but we are a beginning |
| 22:52.07 | Deaod | how about bringing the US to the 21st century. |
| 22:52.08 | Taintedwisp | until we find the other lifeforms |
| 22:52.12 | Bounty | u dont even need projects daeod |
| 22:52.20 | Bounty | alternative energy has been discovered for like 40 years |
| 22:52.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:52.24 | Bounty | they just wont use it |
| 22:52.35 | Deaod | im talking about implementing those energy sources |
| 22:52.46 | Bounty | They're just NOW really using solar energy |
| 22:52.47 | Taintedwisp | you do realize that Germany is the # 3 car manufactorer in the world right... |
| 22:52.54 | Taintedwisp | why dont they do it... |
| 22:52.56 | Deaod | i realize that |
| 22:53.06 | Bounty | I have two theories |
| 22:53.13 | A1win | people are selfish |
| 22:53.13 | Bounty | regarding your idea Deaod |
| 22:53.15 | Taintedwisp | Sure all make models of cares that are good for teh economy. |
| 22:53.25 | Taintedwisp | but none do it to ALL the new cars |
| 22:53.25 | A1win | why would they do something in a more difficult way if they can do it the easy way |
| 22:53.28 | Bounty | i believe they are raising gas prices every day now to lean people off of oil |
| 22:53.40 | A1win | even if it meant that someone else would have to do it in the more difficult way in the future |
| 22:53.41 | Taintedwisp | no they arent |
| 22:53.44 | Bounty | or they're just doing it bc they know we're fucked and they're trying to get every single penny they can from us |
| 22:53.45 | Taintedwisp | thats supply and demand |
| 22:53.46 | Deaod | Bounty, i assume you live in the US. |
| 22:53.51 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:53.54 | Taintedwisp | an old buisness model that will be our doom |
| 22:53.59 | Deaod | gas is like $4/gal |
| 22:54.01 | Bounty | well tahts what i just said tainted |
| 22:54.04 | Bounty | i have two theories lol |
| 22:54.13 | Deaod | here in europe its &7-8 per gallon |
| 22:54.18 | Deaod | $ |
| 22:54.18 | Bounty | <Bounty> or they're just doing it bc they know we're fucked and they're trying to get every single penny they can from us |
| 22:54.19 | Deaod | i mean |
| 22:54.20 | Bounty | oh i know |
| 22:54.22 | Bounty | im not saying we have it bad |
| 22:54.25 | Bounty | i know how it is over there |
| 22:54.32 | Bounty | im just saying at the rate its climbing |
| 22:54.34 | A1win | there will be laws to keep things control, and if not, there will be wars after which new people will make new laws to keep things under control |
| 22:54.35 | Bounty | for no reason |
| 22:54.40 | A1win | or the same people with less resistance =p |
| 22:54.47 | Bounty | and honestly |
| 22:54.49 | JademusSreg | "My observation informed merely by annecdote and limited sampling is more accurate than the entirety of a system of methodologies employed for the empirical study of reality refined over a span of centuries that has not only informed the advance of technology but also makes demonstrably accurate predictions about the respective fields of study. How stupid are scientists, amirite?" |
| 22:54.50 | Bounty | if u think about it |
| 22:54.54 | Bounty | it would work |
| 22:55.02 | Bounty | raise gas prices to obsene levels |
| 22:55.10 | Bounty | then introduce a cheaper new form of energy |
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| 22:55.13 | Bounty | people only care about money |
| 22:55.21 | Bounty | so it would have a faster adoption rate |
| 22:55.32 | Bounty | or |
| 22:55.34 | A1win | you know |
| 22:55.36 | Bounty | they're just being greedy fucks |
| 22:55.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:55.40 | A1win | the people who make those decisions also care about money |
| 22:55.45 | A1win | and the people with oil have money |
| 22:55.46 | A1win | :P |
| 22:55.47 | Taintedwisp | You wanna know how to lower gas consumption the only way its going to happen? WW3... it will kill 1/2 of hte worlds population |
| 22:56.00 | Taintedwisp | Therefore Decreasing Gas consumption 50% |
| 22:56.10 | Bounty | the problem with those people a1win is that we're all in the same boat and they dont realize that |
| 22:56.15 | Taintedwisp | That will be the only way it will be decreased |
| 22:56.20 | Deaod | you know WW3 is likely thermonuclear? |
| 22:56.20 | Bounty | if gas prices get so out of control it causes mass poverty |
| 22:56.22 | Bounty | there will be riots |
| 22:56.30 | Dustin | Fuck gas |
| 22:56.31 | Bounty | and those people who run those companies will be analy raped |
| 22:56.33 | Taintedwisp | Not really |
| 22:56.35 | Bounty | by the rioters |
| 22:56.38 | Taintedwisp | Nope |
| 22:56.44 | Dustin | We got all this solar and wind and current energy just smacking us in the face every day |
| 22:56.49 | Taintedwisp | because they control the army |
| 22:56.54 | Taintedwisp | Which army? All armies. |
| 22:56.58 | Bounty | Good Topic Dustin |
| 22:57.02 | Dustin | And like idiots we wont give up our liquid dinosaurs |
| 22:57.04 | Taintedwisp | Money can corrupt anything |
| 22:57.05 | Bounty | Solar Activity |
| 22:57.11 | Bounty | could knock out the worlds power grids |
| 22:57.14 | Bounty | for up to 30 years |
| 22:57.16 | Bounty | discuss |
| 22:57.21 | Taintedwisp | No power? Sweet |
| 22:57.28 | Taintedwisp | I got Deer and squirrels.. |
| 22:57.32 | Taintedwisp | Two rocks |
| 22:57.36 | Taintedwisp | an axe |
| 22:57.37 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:57.38 | Bounty | yeah and alot of other hungry people near you |
| 22:57.42 | Bounty | think yo ucan take them all? |
| 22:57.45 | Bounty | if they form packs |
| 22:57.52 | Bounty | which they will |
| 22:57.56 | Taintedwisp | I got over 5k shells and a hill of 20 close nit people |
| 22:57.58 | Taintedwisp | we will be a pack lol |
| 22:58.01 | Deaod | we could for example build huge arrays of CSP in deserts |
| 22:58.15 | Bounty | i think i read that after 4 days of not eating is when a human begins to become more like an animal |
| 22:58.20 | Taintedwisp | Also there are ponds too |
| 22:58.30 | Taintedwisp | My care is Pre 1996 so I have a vehicle |
| 22:58.35 | Taintedwisp | Alcohol can do wonders |
| 22:58.37 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 22:58.44 | Bounty | now heres the kicker |
| 22:58.47 | Taintedwisp | though it might Ruin the car over time |
| 22:58.54 | Bounty | record setting solar activity |
| 22:58.59 | Bounty | and it just so happens to be in the year 2012 |
| 22:59.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:59.03 | Bounty | i find that funny |
| 22:59.05 | Taintedwisp | Heres a kicker |
| 22:59.17 | Bounty | and 2012 is said to be the time of enlightenment |
| 22:59.26 | Bounty | what would enlighten more than the loss of electricity |
| 22:59.33 | Bounty | makes sense no? |
| 22:59.49 | Taintedwisp | We have had 512 leapyears since it was created in 52 BC by Csear, the mayan calander doesnt Use leapyears According to them its really the year 2013 around august |
| 22:59.49 | A1win | drugs |
| 22:59.51 | Taintedwisp | Im not worried |
| 23:00.01 | Deaod | why would solar activity knock out power grids? |
| 23:00.16 | Deaod | for 30 years no less |
| 23:00.29 | Taintedwisp | Some power would be knocked out, but anyone who uses windmills would just have to wait a few days |
| 23:00.43 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjF8fk6hjZE&feature=related |
| 23:00.45 | Bounty | watch that video |
| 23:00.48 | Bounty | disregard its fox news |
| 23:00.51 | Taintedwisp | YOUTUBE LIES... learn that already |
| 23:00.53 | Bounty | but the guy speaking is a genius |
| 23:00.59 | Taintedwisp | Fox news... Now you just hit the Tabloids for damn sure |
| 23:01.13 | Taintedwisp | Any Station news is crap... |
| 23:01.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 23:01.19 | Taintedwisp | They are all political |
| 23:01.26 | Bounty | like i said |
| 23:01.33 | Bounty | only watch it to listen to what Michio says |
| 23:01.37 | A1win | bah not sure if this was the best way of spending a friday night |
| 23:01.46 | A1win | probably one of the worst |
| 23:01.48 | A1win | ;p |
| 23:01.52 | A1win | no offense |
| 23:02.13 | Bounty | the best way is the way that you're happiest with |
| 23:02.14 | Taintedwisp | Yeah I have been at this for 4 hours... |
| 23:02.14 | Taintedwisp | Im out |
| 23:02.15 | Taintedwisp | LOL |
| 23:02.28 | Bounty | now watch that video |
| 23:02.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:02.31 | A1win | it's 1 am here |
| 23:02.32 | Taintedwisp | nah |
| 23:02.36 | Taintedwisp | I gotta go get laid... |
| 23:02.42 | Bounty | ok? |
| 23:02.46 | Bounty | oh thats right |
| 23:02.47 | Bounty | your 19 |
| 23:02.50 | Bounty | thats a major goal |
| 23:02.52 | JademusSreg | *you're |
| 23:02.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:02.56 | Bounty | jade |
| 23:03.00 | Bounty | i will fuck you in the ass |
| 23:03.03 | Bounty | im not gay |
| 23:03.04 | Bounty | but for you |
| 23:03.08 | JademusSreg | Sure sounds like it. |
| 23:03.11 | Bounty | ok fine |
| 23:03.14 | Bounty | im gay for you |
| 23:03.18 | JademusSreg | Alright then. |
| 23:03.22 | Bounty | neways |
| 23:03.27 | Bounty | he finally left |
| 23:03.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:03.34 | Bounty | i bet he doesnt get laid |
| 23:03.34 | Bounty | >< |
| 23:03.50 | A1win | if he does, I hope he uses a condom |
| 23:04.02 | Bounty | condoms are for pussies |
| 23:04.06 | Bounty | lulul |
| 23:04.10 | Bounty | get it? |
| 23:04.18 | Bounty | nom nom nom |
| 23:05.11 | Deaod | oh god, those fox commentators are dumb. |
| 23:05.41 | Bounty | yeah tahts why i said, try to tune them out |
| 23:05.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:05.57 | Deaod | holy shit. |
| 23:06.19 | Deaod | he gave a straightforward explanation and the woman STILL had to ask her colleague. |
| 23:06.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:06.30 | JademusSreg | There is a particular flavor of irony, when people complain about "stupid people" and exclaim how "everyone is getting dumber", that is piquant and rich. |
| 23:06.48 | Bounty | You'RE late JademusSreg |
| 23:07.09 | JademusSreg | Perhaps I'm pregnant. |
| 23:07.17 | Deaod | perhaps hes dead |
| 23:07.30 | Deaod | in which case were talking to a ghost. |
| 23:07.33 | Bounty | So |
| 23:07.46 | Bounty | If say 2morrow you're at your computer |
| 23:07.47 | Deaod | ha! i made a funny. |
| 23:07.49 | Bounty | and the power goes out |
| 23:07.54 | Bounty | what will you do first |
| 23:08.06 | Bounty | like what would you your first reaction |
| 23:08.08 | Deaod | check its not a technical error i can fix. |
| 23:08.10 | Bounty | what would be* |
| 23:08.16 | Bounty | and if its not? |
| 23:08.45 | JademusSreg | I would think about a pointless conversation someone attempted to start with me the day before. |
| 23:08.57 | Bounty | How is it pointless Jade |
| 23:08.59 | Deaod | try calling whoevers responsible for keeping the local grid running |
| 23:09.12 | Deaod | in case cell phones still work |
| 23:09.23 | Bounty | Well if it was because of a solar flare |
| 23:09.29 | Bounty | They most likely wouldnt oork |
| 23:09.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:09.41 | Deaod | but if theres absolutely nothing i can do, well tough shit |
| 23:09.55 | Deaod | imma go read a book |
| 23:09.56 | Bounty | yeah i know but im saying what would you do |
| 23:10.17 | Deaod | in case its not a weekday |
| 23:10.37 | A1win | I'd just wait for it to get fixed until I'd need to eat, in which case I'd probably go to the store to buy something I can prepare without electricity |
| 23:11.07 | A1win | at which point I'd figure out the power is down there as well, and would get some answers |
| 23:11.08 | Deaod | remember that stores use electricity extensively. |
| 23:11.23 | A1win | *find out |
| 23:11.23 | Deaod | especially for cooling. |
| 23:11.24 | Bounty | and remmeber that if its world wide |
| 23:11.30 | Bounty | you're not the only one heading for that store |
| 23:11.51 | A1win | well there might be some alarms going on in the city at some point |
| 23:12.17 | A1win | people would try to get organized |
| 23:12.42 | A1win | can't predict how well it'd work out without knowing details about the protocols etc |
| 23:12.58 | Bounty | i know for a fact people woudl not get organized |
| 23:13.11 | Bounty | after my state got hit with the most minor earthquake |
| 23:13.15 | Bounty | and people lost their fucking minds |
| 23:13.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:13.33 | Deaod | i would try not to panic |
| 23:14.01 | Deaod | and try to proceed as normal. |
| 23:14.23 | Deaod | a solar flare is not magic |
| 23:14.40 | Bounty | nobody said it was |
| 23:14.43 | A1win | neither is an atomic bomb ;p |
| 23:14.47 | Deaod | we can fix broken things. |
| 23:15.01 | Bounty | yeah but thats the thing |
| 23:15.18 | Bounty | they're estimating a direct hit could take up to 30 years |
| 23:15.19 | Bounty | to repair |
| 23:15.35 | A1win | to full capacity |
| 23:15.42 | A1win | we can live with less |
| 23:15.49 | Deaod | ^ |
| 23:15.51 | A1win | also, fire exists |
| 23:15.57 | A1win | we can use it to warm things up :P |
| 23:16.08 | Bounty | lol i know all that |
| 23:16.14 | Bounty | but the problem is |
| 23:16.16 | Bounty | other people |
| 23:16.17 | A1win | but yeah people would panic |
| 23:16.27 | Bounty | kind of ironic isnt it |
| 23:16.32 | Bounty | even with a global disaster |
| 23:16.39 | Bounty | our biggest fear would be from ourselves |
| 23:18.56 | A1win | anyway I'm off too, need to get laid... down, on the bed |
| 23:19.06 | Bounty | lol |
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