| 00:00.24 | Bounty | Have you ever used this stuff before JademusSreg? |
| 00:05.03 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 00:05.15 | JademusSreg | I don't use timer windows because they look like shit. |
| 00:07.13 | Bounty | ok well |
| 00:07.16 | Bounty | i want to use one |
| 00:07.19 | Bounty | now why the fuck isnt it showing up |
| 00:07.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:07.48 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it needs to be told to display and to which players. |
| 00:08.09 | Bounty | tried all that |
| 00:08.15 | Bounty | did all the things said to do on the forums aswell |
| 00:08.18 | Bounty | shit just isnt showing up |
| 00:09.19 | Bounty | leaderboards are not showing up either |
| 00:09.20 | Bounty | ODFMadsfoma |
| 00:09.22 | Bounty | fucking shit |
| 00:09.24 | Bounty | fuck it |
| 00:09.27 | Bounty | making a custom one |
| 00:09.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:09.43 | Bounty | so much for going the simplified UI route |
| 00:11.30 | JademusSreg | Sounds like the editor is blowing a capricious wind up your ass. |
| 00:12.10 | JademusSreg | Pastebin it? |
| 00:15.27 | Bounty | nah |
| 00:15.35 | Bounty | i did everything right |
| 00:15.38 | Bounty | its just being gay |
| 00:15.42 | Bounty | its a sign to make a custom one |
| 00:15.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:16.21 | Ahli | http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9386/screenshot2012030400593.jpg bridge :) |
| 00:16.43 | JademusSreg | Cute. |
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| 00:37.31 | Mexa | Howdy |
| 00:37.36 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 00:38.05 | JademusSreg | My scripted AI is shaping up nicely. |
| 00:38.21 | JademusSreg | Almost got it to a state where I can test it. Haha |
| 00:38.33 | Mexa | Oh, what AI? |
| 00:39.08 | JademusSreg | It's intended to be a general purpose AI. |
| 00:39.21 | Mexa | Melee? |
| 00:39.55 | JademusSreg | Naw, not nearly so sophisticated as to handle macro. |
| 00:40.13 | Mexa | Or something like that automaton 2000 AI:P |
| 00:40.35 | JademusSreg | That thing is ridiculous. |
| 00:40.51 | Mexa | It's pretty:P |
| 00:41.33 | JademusSreg | It is obscenely good. Spreading out zerglings to avoid splash by detecting the attack order is unfair. |
| 00:42.16 | JademusSreg | It's using information it shouldn't have. |
| 00:42.57 | Mexa | Well, perhaps |
| 00:43.12 | Mexa | Starcraft 2's inbuilt AI is also a cheat AI I guess. |
| 00:43.19 | Mexa | No matter what they told us |
| 00:43.31 | Mexa | Doesn't justify it though |
| 00:44.02 | Mexa | But I found it quite nice that they still don't use anything else than the AI API |
| 00:45.40 | Mexa | While ignoring the tank damage, they still have a few more videos doing other things |
| 00:46.05 | Mexa | Such as marine micro vs banelings, and siege tank drops. |
| 00:47.17 | JademusSreg | Marine micro was a nice demonstration. |
| 00:49.32 | JademusSreg | My AI is intended to interface with macro, player-oriented AI through Tactical and Strategic orders, and (NYI) uses a lookup for ability use criteria, and otherwise conducts itself by attacking valid targets within vision and kiting. |
| 00:49.50 | Mexa | Neat |
| 00:50.14 | Mexa | Why this so sudden, or is it something I have totally missed you have been working on for some time:P? |
| 00:50.20 | JademusSreg | The prioritization is Tactical, Ability, Attack, Kite, Strategic. |
| 00:50.36 | JademusSreg | It's something I've been working on a bit. |
| 00:51.32 | JademusSreg | If the unit doesn't have any orders on the highest priority, it evaluates the next priority. |
| 00:52.17 | JademusSreg | So tactical orders issued by the player override all the others, and strategic orders are the default when the units have nothing left with which to interact in vision range. |
| 00:53.48 | Mexa | Ah |
| 00:53.50 | JademusSreg | The most challenging part so far was writing a system to track weapon cooldown. |
| 00:54.22 | Mexa | Isn't there some functions for that? |
| 00:54.28 | JademusSreg | If only. |
| 00:54.38 | JademusSreg | Then I wouldn't need to write a system for it. |
| 00:54.40 | Ahli | for perfect marine stuttering? |
| 00:56.31 | Ahli | cool cool. I've never looked into AI stuff. I guess I should do that one day. I'm not able to write a simple AI. :S in scbw I knew how that worked... |
| 00:56.46 | JademusSreg | (I'm not using any of the AI functions, though.) |
| 00:59.21 | JademusSreg | Thanks to the discovery that UnitAddCooldown/UnitGetCooldown takes arbitrary strings, I can track weapon cooldown without applying cooldown to a weapon. Turns out doing that can break them. =D |
| 01:00.22 | JademusSreg | Instead, I just do something like UnitAddCooldown(u,"Weapon"+IntToString(weaponIndex),WeaponPeriodInGameSeconds); |
| 01:00.55 | Mexa | Ah |
| 01:01.03 | Mexa | Lol, how did they break? |
| 01:02.03 | JademusSreg | If I gave a weapon cooldown (time use) in the data, or applied cooldown via trigger, after the cooldown ended, the unit would bug and not attack ever again,. |
| 01:02.05 | JademusSreg | It was odd. |
| 01:02.37 | Mexa | :v |
| 01:02.38 | JademusSreg | Not to mention, a weapon's period doesn't appear to apply cooldown. |
| 01:02.47 | JademusSreg | So it was entirely worthless. |
| 01:03.11 | JademusSreg | The purpose of the system is to just plain work with any general case set of data. |
| 01:03.20 | Mexa | Might be something for abilities only. |
| 01:03.36 | Kueken | cooldowns are weird anyway |
| 01:03.42 | Aelie | hello jade. |
| 01:03.49 | Kueken | even behaviors can get a cooldown |
| 01:03.53 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 01:03.54 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:05.51 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 01:05.57 | Bounty | it was definently a sign |
| 01:06.02 | Bounty | MAH SHIT IS BANGIN |
| 01:06.42 | Mexa | What does that even mean? |
| 01:07.29 | Bounty | no idea |
| 01:10.57 | JademusSreg | (Hah.) |
| 01:11.36 | Bounty | care to help me test it real quick jademus? |
| 01:11.45 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 01:12.11 | Bounty | oh |
| 01:12.16 | Bounty | and u remember the UI frame error? |
| 01:12.18 | Bounty | i fixed it lol |
| 01:12.27 | Bounty | the Battle Frame can only be hid by Blizzard maps |
| 01:12.44 | JademusSreg | still thinks it would be best if you had effect - instant abilities activated by hotkeys for the vehicles. In addition to powerups. |
| 01:12.50 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:13.14 | Bounty | baby steps |
| 01:13.26 | Bounty | im gonna test this one out for awhile in closed games |
| 01:13.30 | Bounty | and get peoples reactions |
| 01:13.48 | Bounty | trust me, i would like nothing more than to have like 6 abilities per vehicle lol |
| 01:22.11 | Mexa | Ah, I know exactly what I will waste some time on doing now... I feel like porting the galaxy standard library to a more convenient scope format |
| 01:22.17 | Mexa | Such as in galaxy++ |
| 01:22.35 | JademusSreg | Yes, please. |
| 01:22.36 | Bounty | Every X amount of time you are assigned a nemesis JademusSreg |
| 01:22.37 | Mexa | I'll commence programming at once! |
| 01:22.48 | Bounty | Its basically a player for u to hunt down and kill for bonus points |
| 01:22.54 | JademusSreg | Ah, nice. |
| 01:23.03 | JademusSreg | Randomly or what? |
| 01:23.10 | Bounty | so im thinking just have it list who your nemesis is and who is currently hunting u |
| 01:23.13 | Bounty | under the minimap |
| 01:23.17 | Bounty | debating on that atm |
| 01:23.27 | Bounty | gonna have to see how it plays out |
| 01:23.34 | Xaragoth | so basically what assassin's creed does |
| 01:23.35 | JademusSreg | Or you could tint the player's frame on the leaderboard. |
| 01:23.42 | Bounty | pretty much Xaragoth |
| 01:23.50 | Bounty | which is where i got the idea from obviously lol |
| 01:23.56 | JademusSreg | Tint / flash, maybe with a label all fancy and shit. |
| 01:24.00 | Xaragoth | let's just hope it works better than the multiplayer of AC |
| 01:24.02 | Bounty | but i figured it would fit well into a deathmatch style |
| 01:24.05 | Bounty | like |
| 01:24.05 | JademusSreg | Nemesis |
| 01:24.07 | Bounty | in TF2 |
| 01:24.07 | Xaragoth | where every moron and their mom run like idiots |
| 01:24.07 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 01:24.12 | Bounty | u have a nemesis |
| 01:24.16 | Bounty | but it means nothing |
| 01:24.21 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:24.21 | Bounty | so i figured make it mean something |
| 01:24.25 | Bounty | Xaragoth |
| 01:24.27 | Bounty | thats the best part |
| 01:24.33 | Bounty | i always run |
| 01:24.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:24.35 | Xaragoth | So you have this: http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/2/22/Nemesis.jpg |
| 01:24.47 | Bounty | sure |
| 01:24.50 | Bounty | btw |
| 01:24.52 | Bounty | u rdy for this xara? |
| 01:24.54 | Bounty | the map im working on |
| 01:24.58 | Bounty | isnt third person |
| 01:25.01 | Bounty | nor is it WASD |
| 01:25.08 | Xaragoth | Finally! |
| 01:25.09 | Bounty | HOWS YER MIND? IS IT BLOWN? |
| 01:25.24 | Bounty | Its top down bullet hell vehicle combat |
| 01:25.26 | Xaragoth | No, currently it's occupied by "My food is ready! MUST EAT!" |
| 01:25.26 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 01:25.33 | Bounty | fair enough |
| 01:25.37 | Xaragoth | brb |
| 01:25.39 | Xaragoth | tasty duck |
| 01:25.40 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 01:26.57 | Bounty | never had duck |
| 01:27.27 | Ahli | kueken, the cooldown on behaviors is good to hook data onto them. I've added twice the starting duration time for the buff display onto them in my diablo map to calculate the starting time. :). |
| 01:28.25 | Kueken | it has some ingame effect as well, at least something changed, when I added a cooldown... dont recall what exactly, though... something seemingly unrelated |
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| 01:46.47 | Mexa | Ah, Jademus, what do you think about having similar categories like in the trigger editor? |
| 01:47.12 | Mexa | That way I can easily sort in all the liberty functions. |
| 01:48.20 | Mexa | Or more rather, the liberty library look like shit in the galaxy code, so it's hard to separate what functions belong to their different scopes. |
| 01:50.08 | JademusSreg | Hm? |
| 01:50.15 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that makes sense. |
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| 01:51.49 | JademusSreg | namespace Core namespace Liberty et cetera |
| 01:52.00 | Mexa | yeah |
| 01:52.14 | JademusSreg | However, there's no good reason for that functionality to be split up in the first place. |
| 01:52.50 | Mexa | Well, solely if you for some reaon does not want to include both the dependencies |
| 01:52.56 | JademusSreg | They all access the same natives, so there's no clear explanation for the separation of functionality. |
| 01:52.59 | Mexa | Say a complete starcraft conversion mod |
| 01:53.12 | Mexa | You might only want the Core lib and nothing els |
| 01:53.13 | Mexa | *e |
| 01:53.37 | Mexa | Though there's plenty of Actor help in the liberty lib. |
| 01:53.51 | Mexa | But anyways, things like string libNtve_gf_MultiplyScale (fixed lp_x, fixed lp_y, fixed lp_z, fixed lp_duration); is hard to distinct |
| 01:53.59 | JademusSreg | In terms of scripting, I don't have use for anything beyond the standard library. The LibertyLib.galaxy content is garbage. |
| 01:54.01 | Mexa | Oh, I meant the native lib |
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| 01:54.10 | Mexa | oh yes, true |
| 01:54.19 | Mexa | The liberty lib contains little |
| 01:54.26 | Mexa | I meant the nativelib |
| 01:54.45 | Mexa | The function above anyways, is hard to see by the eye what it does |
| 01:54.56 | Mexa | It's an actor message, right? |
| 01:55.05 | Mexa | *for actor messages |
| 01:55.23 | Mexa | So it would be convenient with a scope called Actor |
| 01:55.57 | JademusSreg | Well, the entire standard library should be encapsulated by their "domains", first, and further encapsulated by their types. |
| 01:56.08 | Mexa | yeah |
| 01:56.31 | Kueken | but we are talking Blizzard here |
| 01:56.37 | Kueken | please, stay realistic ;) |
| 01:56.38 | Mexa | I was thinking that it would be convenient to add some OOP functionality while we're at it |
| 01:56.43 | JademusSreg | Naw, we're talking Mexa using galaxy++ here. |
| 01:56.50 | Kueken | oh |
| 01:56.58 | Kueken | nvm then |
| 01:57.08 | Kueken | I was never here |
| 01:57.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:57.17 | Mexa | Say, Point p = myUnit.GetPosition(); |
| 01:58.03 | Kueken | that should work in g++, yes |
| 01:58.04 | Mexa | p.Setfacing(100, 0); |
| 01:58.09 | Mexa | You get the drill. |
| 01:58.14 | JademusSreg | Or Point p = Point.Create(10,10); Fixed face = p.GetFacing(); |
| 01:58.19 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 01:58.36 | Mexa | On all types which are not abstractly described |
| 01:58.55 | Kueken | I never used it, but I think, this stuff is implemented already |
| 01:58.59 | Mexa | And by abstract I mean, not being an arbitrary int or something. |
| 01:59.22 | Mexa | Kueken, galaxy++ does not provide that enrichment by default afaIk. |
| 01:59.32 | Mexa | It provides the implementation support for the enrichments. |
| 01:59.38 | Kueken | I am pretty sure he added enrichments at some point |
| 01:59.52 | Kueken | yes, you need to add these enrichments yourself |
| 01:59.56 | Mexa | Yes |
| 02:00.00 | Kueken | k |
| 02:00.05 | Kueken | thats what you wanted |
| 02:00.17 | Kueken | a standartized library for these |
| 02:00.19 | Mexa | I want to define a library all set up for one to sue |
| 02:00.21 | Kueken | or something |
| 02:00.24 | Mexa | *use |
| 02:00.29 | Mexa | mm |
| 02:00.44 | Mexa | Something more convenient to work with anyways. |
| 02:01.11 | Kueken | btw |
| 02:01.25 | Kueken | someone heard about the other language extensions in development? |
| 02:01.32 | Kueken | mainly andromeda? |
| 02:01.46 | JademusSreg | Several, but they are all dead. |
| 02:01.48 | Mexa | That thing is old |
| 02:01.57 | Mexa | Andromeda died in 2010 |
| 02:02.06 | JademusSreg | Andromeda's implementation was garbage anyway. |
| 02:02.15 | Kueken | i wondered |
| 02:02.45 | Mexa | Not sure if there's any other one in progress |
| 02:02.49 | Kueken | so galaxy++ is the only thing still in active development |
| 02:02.56 | Kueken | k |
| 02:02.57 | Mexa | I know xDSchurke posted something a while back |
| 02:03.02 | Mexa | On sc2mapster |
| 02:03.08 | Mexa | But I don't remember it. |
| 02:03.09 | Kueken | yeah, I recall |
| 02:03.12 | Mexa | And then we have Grape |
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| 02:03.23 | Mexa | Which I'm unsure how it will turn out |
| 02:03.32 | Mexa | Vestras is the developer of that. |
| 02:03.46 | Kueken | oh yes, saw that as well |
| 02:04.15 | JademusSreg | Vestras is talented, ambitious, and a mess. |
| 02:04.21 | Mexa | hah:P |
| 02:04.32 | Kueken | but galaxy++ seems to be the most developed right now |
| 02:04.58 | Mexa | The one less error prone at least. |
| 02:05.51 | Kueken | well, currently I only use the basic stuff, mainly namespaces, initializers etc |
| 02:05.55 | Mexa | But yes, it's still actively supported, and he also have some early development of a dialog designer now. |
| 02:06.35 | Kueken | yes, I tried that one. Fairly crude, but working and definitely nice to have |
| 02:06.59 | Mexa | Yep. Though needs more bug fixes before it can be reliable:P |
| 02:07.13 | JademusSreg | I'd really like to see Beier make a map with his tool. Not that programming proficiency necessarily equates to design proficiency, but I figure if he made the tool to manage the complexity of functional and more highly abstracted code working in a shit language, then he must have some interesting ideas. |
| 02:07.53 | Mexa | Or he decided to just help out the community |
| 02:08.04 | JademusSreg | But what's the point in that? =D |
| 02:08.07 | Kueken | heh ;) |
| 02:08.29 | Mexa | I don't know, he helps others to develop their mods faster |
| 02:08.40 | Mexa | Just being nice?:P |
| 02:08.41 | Kueken | I remember when he first posted G++, and I stuffed him with new suggestions like every day |
| 02:09.00 | Kueken | and everything got implemented almost instantly |
| 02:09.18 | Mexa | But yeah, that designer of mine, if I were to have developed it, I would have used it myself for my own project |
| 02:10.09 | Mexa | Indeed, he's ambitious too. |
| 02:10.46 | JademusSreg | What's the point of being nice if you don't gain from it? The praise of a community only matters to you if you identify with that community. I figure he must have an ambitious project in mind. |
| 02:11.38 | Mexa | Did Vexorian ever had any ambitious project more than vJass and related things such as the libraries he produced with it? |
| 02:11.52 | Mexa | Like a map. |
| 02:11.59 | JademusSreg | I imagine they did at one point. |
| 02:12.16 | Mexa | It was not what I knew him for though. |
| 02:12.20 | JademusSreg | But got lost along the way, every map stuck in development hell. |
| 02:12.42 | Mexa | heh |
| 02:12.52 | Mexa | Wc3, them times. |
| 02:13.06 | Mexa | I only made spells, pretty much |
| 02:13.29 | Mexa | And a map only played with a couple of friends, never released. |
| 02:14.11 | JademusSreg | It's sort of tragic when people get sidetracked and are consumed in their own little development bubbles. Like the vJass afficionados who are still hammering on about optimization and employ macros and all manner of other unreadable refuse code. |
| 02:14.51 | JademusSreg | Celebrities in a misguided little microcosm. =D |
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| 02:15.16 | Mexa | lol |
| 02:15.19 | Mexa | yeah |
| 02:16.20 | JademusSreg | Time to install a new router. |
| 02:16.22 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 02:16.33 | Mexa | Laters! |
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| 02:30.52 | JademusSreg | Pew |
| 02:34.08 | JademusSreg | http://stabyourself.net/mari0/ |
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| 02:46.03 | Bounty | So apprently this Nemesis thing is harder to code than i thought JademusSreg lol |
| 02:46.10 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:46.35 | Bounty | like... ALOT harder |
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| 03:40.30 | JademusSreg | Just noticed something funny. |
| 03:40.32 | JademusSreg | native bool UnitAbilityCheck (unit inUnit, string inAbil, bool inEnabled); |
| 03:44.11 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't UnitAbilityCheck(u,"someAbility" |
| 03:44.40 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't UnitAbilityCheck(u,"someAbility",false) be the same as !UnitAbilityCheck(u,"someAbility") =\ |
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| 04:18.10 | Mexa | Looks like it .-. |
| 04:19.30 | Mexa | "Returns true if the specified ability is enabled/disabled for the specified unit." |
| 04:19.34 | Mexa | yeah |
| 04:20.14 | Mexa | Should rather be called "AbilityIsEnabled" |
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| 04:29.57 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 04:59.44 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 05:03.41 | AlphA_VsT | fuck yeah |
| 05:06.16 | Mexa_ | Gross, I stumbled upon a video on youtube where they pulled out bot fly larvaes out of someones skin :f |
| 05:06.23 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:06.49 | McHearty | why would you watch that D: |
| 05:07.19 | Mexa_ | It was distracting me, I really only wanted to see that larvae cartoon D: |
| 05:07.35 | McHearty | holy fuck starcraft lags on my phone |
| 05:07.37 | McHearty | :c |
| 05:08.12 | JademusSreg | Quick, someone make a poll to gauge our surprise. |
| 05:08.27 | Net_Creator | Blarh. |
| 05:08.47 | Net_Creator | My "on resource changed" event trigger doesn't seem to have any effect. |
| 05:08.53 | Mexa_ | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=larva |
| 05:09.00 | Net_Creator | Or my other triggers, strangely. |
| 05:09.01 | JademusSreg | http://www.mariowiki.com/Blargg |
| 05:09.59 | JademusSreg | I have fond memories of that goofy looking bastard. |
| 05:10.17 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Net, what's the issue? =D |
| 05:11.00 | Net_Creator | That's what I'm trying to find out -- at least the cause of it. |
| 05:11.16 | JademusSreg | What are the symptomps? |
| 05:11.19 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 05:11.24 | JademusSreg | *symptoms. |
| 05:11.57 | Net_Creator | I'm calling the function for sharing unit control amongst the whole team as soon as the game has begun in one trigger, and then updating everyone's minerals on one team to equal everyone else's whenever their resources change in another trigger. |
| 05:12.04 | Net_Creator | Neither are happening. |
| 05:12.52 | JademusSreg | Pastebin. =D |
| 05:12.53 | Net_Creator | I'm being a lazy ass and not pulling up the galaxy reference in the sc2 file and using the gui instead. |
| 05:13.14 | Net_Creator | Copied as text, pulling up a window for pastebin |
| 05:13.35 | JademusSreg | That's fine. Reading generated code is an awful experience, anyway. |
| 05:14.28 | Net_Creator | I'd never post generated code for sc2mapster; only stuff I wrote. :P |
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| 05:22.19 | Net_Creator | I have prepended "----" to highlighted lines that are visibly testible in-game. |
| 05:22.31 | Net_Creator | testable* -- yeesh. I should take a nap. |
| 05:22.43 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:23.23 | Net_Creator | http://pastebin.com/WFGa85UP is the link. |
| 05:24.22 | Parthon | damn those testibles |
| 05:24.31 | Net_Creator | Indeed. |
| 05:26.08 | JademusSreg | Why wouldn't you just set the event to run for any player property change, then validate* the player and its property? |
| 05:27.33 | JademusSreg | Additionally, why the time elapsed event in the first trigger? |
| 05:27.54 | Net_Creator | Bad past experiences with map initialization. |
| 05:28.13 | Parthon | really? |
| 05:28.29 | Net_Creator | Regardless of if it's changed, the luggage and mental mindset has just been carried with me. |
| 05:28.54 | Parthon | I'm thinking the map init problem was from SC1 :P |
| 05:29.07 | Net_Creator | happened in WC3, too. |
| 05:29.15 | Net_Creator | and now it's habit. |
| 05:29.19 | JademusSreg | That's a poor justification. You could call the exact same sequence of functions even before Map Initialization, and it would work. |
| 05:30.12 | Net_Creator | As stated, I do it out of habit now. But if it makes any difference to you, I have already run the same trigger using Map Initialization as the event. |
| 05:30.20 | JademusSreg | (GUI doesn't provide many opportunities to run instructions before map init. Custom Events and Global Variable initializations are among those few.) |
| 05:31.12 | JademusSreg | Have you configured the player values in Map -> Player SomethingSomething? |
| 05:31.21 | Net_Creator | Yes. |
| 05:31.42 | Parthon | I just joined, what's the bug you are getting? |
| 05:32.02 | Net_Creator | Not a bug, but no result. |
| 05:32.03 | JademusSreg | Is it not running at all? Tested with a Text Message action? |
| 05:32.33 | JademusSreg | (Or by looking in the debugger.) |
| 05:32.43 | Net_Creator | Stupidly enough, I haven't tried a text message action, despite how often I use printf debug messages in my C/C++ programs for testing. |
| 05:32.58 | Parthon | alliances work? |
| 05:33.10 | Mexa_ | Jademus, a function can be told to be ran before map init though. |
| 05:33.10 | Net_Creator | We're allied from being on the same team, but no shared control. |
| 05:33.20 | JademusSreg | Or both, is you use TriggerDebugOutput(1,textHere,true); ? |
| 05:33.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:33.40 | Mexa_ | But then, it's a custom script section so well, not really GUI anymore. |
| 05:33.48 | JademusSreg | Is team 1 configured? |
| 05:33.55 | JademusSreg | *Team 1 |
| 05:34.05 | JademusSreg | Rather, is it a var or an action? |
| 05:34.09 | Parthon | it's not because of the AI thing is it? |
| 05:34.18 | Mexa_ | I'm off for a movie, good night fellas. |
| 05:34.50 | Parthon | bye Mexa_ |
| 05:34.56 | Parthon | don't fall off any tree logs |
| 05:35.11 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 05:35.44 | Net_Creator | Yes. I forgot to add an extra author note concerning that. |
| 05:36.11 | Net_Creator | It is a Player Group global variable that is set in the initialization trigger. |
| 05:36.50 | JademusSreg | I wonder if it will allow you to initialize the value directly. |
| 05:37.26 | Net_Creator | Not to multiple players, it seems. |
| 05:37.40 | JademusSreg | Anyway, will messages display? If not, are the triggers Enabled? |
| 05:37.44 | Net_Creator | I have Team 2, another player group, initialized to player 8. |
| 05:37.58 | Net_Creator | And yes, they are enabled and initially on. |
| 05:38.21 | Net_Creator | I'm in the process of testing the map again now. |
| 05:39.01 | JademusSreg | All criticisms aside, there's no obvious reason why it would "do nothing". |
| 05:41.40 | McHearty | http://classic.battle.net/images/battle/scc/PICS/main.jpg |
| 05:42.18 | Net_Creator | I've recognized all the things that you mentioned well prior to them being mentioned; I've been playing with it since the expected result did not occur, thus why you see the code a little bit more strange than before. Additionally, GUI feels much, much more restrictive than straight-up Galaxy. I had to add an exclusive event for every diferent player and property when I wanted to expand to any general player property on team 1 changing. Quite the |
| 05:42.18 | Net_Creator | pain. :P |
| 05:43.02 | Net_Creator | "than before" -- meh. I didn't even post what the trigger looked like before I mangled it, so I'm not sure why I said that. |
| 05:43.09 | JademusSreg | A caveat; I've not worked with the AI API (I've read it, not used), so if there are quirks, it's beyond my knowledge. |
| 05:45.27 | JademusSreg | I take it players 1 and 8 are the heads of their respective teams. |
| 05:46.08 | Net_Creator | Players 1 and 8, as mentioned, are computer players. At this point, I reckon the map concept would do a great deal in explaining what's intended to go on here. |
| 05:47.13 | Net_Creator | For what it's worth, the concept is simply a 1v1 where six players make Player 1 (a dummy computer)'s moves for it, while Player 8 is an Insane AI competitor. Was intended to be a little quickie. |
| 05:49.10 | Net_Creator | Test results back in; no messages were displayed during the test. |
| 05:49.28 | JademusSreg | Yep. Nothing obviously wrong with the first trigger. |
| 05:50.01 | JademusSreg | Clarify the purpose of the second trigger. |
| 05:50.18 | Net_Creator | Which one did I post first in the pastebin submission? |
| 05:50.45 | JademusSreg | The Elapsed Time 0.01 trigger that defines alliance settings and runs AI shit. |
| 05:51.00 | Net_Creator | So the other one is on resources changed. |
| 05:51.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:51.08 | Net_Creator | The entire purpose is so that all seven players share resources. |
| 05:51.15 | Net_Creator | Effectually, they're one player. |
| 05:51.54 | McHearty | is there a way to make ramps accessable only to infantry units? |
| 05:52.15 | Net_Creator | McHearty, I can think of half-assed ways. :P |
| 05:52.25 | McHearty | like sc1 style? |
| 05:52.29 | Net_Creator | Not quite. |
| 05:52.33 | Net_Creator | but pretty much. |
| 05:52.47 | McHearty | I dont think I'm ever going to enjoy galaxy as much as staredit |
| 05:52.47 | JademusSreg | Alright. Question is, when you share control with a player, and you command that player to perform an order that uses resources, does it spend yours or the sharer's? |
| 05:53.01 | Net_Creator | JademusSreg: I haven't been able to test. |
| 05:53.08 | Net_Creator | I still can't receive control of my computer player. |
| 05:53.26 | Net_Creator | Thus why I've added in the extra (likely unnecessary) events |
| 05:53.54 | Net_Creator | I'm still doing continual editing to this, so I'm cleaning it up with each revision and doing extra stuff with it. |
| 05:54.18 | JademusSreg | I expect it spends the resource of the player that is sharing control, rather than the player receiving control. |
| 05:54.35 | Net_Creator | That's what I'm hoping. |
| 05:54.55 | JademusSreg | Under that assumption, the trigger need only fire for changes to the sharing player's properties, any property. |
| 05:55.25 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, you can get rampant thread firing by all the property changes going off. |
| 05:55.26 | Net_Creator | I already know how to set up the events, though, hon. |
| 05:55.46 | Net_Creator | I was hoping there would be any hint or someone else could see why the functions aren't seeming to execute. |
| 05:56.09 | Net_Creator | Text message functions have been thrown in with the other functions, no messages displayed either. |
| 05:56.38 | Net_Creator | But as you stated, you can't see why it's not functioning as expected either. |
| 05:56.39 | JademusSreg | Which is to say: Event Player 1 Minerals Change -> Action Set Player 1 Minerals to any value besides the current value, whatever -> Infinite loop -> Hit thread limit. |
| 05:57.21 | JademusSreg | And if it's doing that for more players, the threads spawned are exponential. |
| 05:57.44 | JademusSreg | I assume you have enabled both Show Trigger Errors and the debugger? |
| 05:58.10 | Net_Creator | Yes; I've tried with that, but can you use the debugger from Battle.net? |
| 05:58.24 | Net_Creator | When I test the document, the computer players are not included, so I've been testing via Battle.net. |
| 05:58.30 | JademusSreg | Maybe. I've heard you can, but not tried it myself. |
| 05:58.41 | Net_Creator | I've not been able to do so personally. |
| 05:59.10 | JademusSreg | What are the player slot states in the Player info? |
| 05:59.19 | JademusSreg | Erkm, Player Properties? |
| 06:00.22 | Net_Creator | One moment while I write down the displayed text. |
| 06:00.38 | Net_Creator | I can tell you that Player 1 and 8 are set to Computer with AI of Computer. |
| 06:00.49 | Net_Creator | But a text replica may be more useful. |
| 06:01.19 | JademusSreg | By which I mean what are the Controller states for each player slot, yes? And also to what are the Game Variants set? |
| 06:02.32 | JademusSreg | I could understand the players not being functional if the game variant excludes computer players or some such. |
| 06:02.50 | Net_Creator | That game variants question is quite big, considering the scope of game variants. |
| 06:03.10 | Net_Creator | And yes; players 1 and 8 are set to Computer controller, whilst 2 through 7 are User controller. |
| 06:03.18 | Net_Creator | Players 1 and 8 additionally have the Computer AI set. |
| 06:03.20 | JademusSreg | But that woudn't explain triggers not firing, of which I am aware. Could just be an old map in the cache, if you're testing the map without closing the SC2 instance. |
| 06:03.46 | Net_Creator | I am publishing the map and running it on Battle.net. |
| 06:03.54 | Net_Creator | Private minor revisions. |
| 06:04.04 | Net_Creator | Otherwise, my computer players never seem to appear. |
| 06:04.06 | Net_Creator | Quite the nuisance. |
| 06:04.22 | JademusSreg | Sounds altogether odd. |
| 06:04.31 | Net_Creator | A single custom Game Variant. |
| 06:05.21 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it isn't a good idea to Enable Defeat before spawning their starting units, though. |
| 06:05.40 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:09.08 | Net_Creator | Right; that happened to be a bit of clumsy rearrangement. Thanks for catching that. Didn't make a difference with the Test Document feature, unfortunately. |
| 06:15.34 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 06:16.08 | JademusSreg | Perhaps I should take a look at it. |
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| 06:51.09 | Dustin|Alt | Guys, has anyone had any experience with Items and Requirements? |
| 06:52.59 | JademusSreg | I've not worked with items. |
| 06:58.41 | Dustin|Alt | Blizzard thought it would be a good idea to not make an items equipibility check the items requirements |
| 07:05.48 | McHearty | has anyone remade the precursor campaign in sc2 yet? |
| 07:10.55 | A1win | all the trouble people seem to be having with items, it'd seem easier to just implement a custom item system instead |
| 07:11.22 | Dustin|Alt | Ya, I thought I could do something without having to custom code shit |
| 07:11.28 | Dustin|Alt | I was wrong it seems :P |
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| 07:26.34 | Bounty | JademusSreg, interested in a final test for the night? |
| 07:26.36 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:27.05 | JademusSreg | What's changed? |
| 07:27.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:27.22 | Bounty | i dont wanna spoil it |
| 07:27.25 | Bounty | its funny |
| 07:27.38 | Bounty | its a new way to earn points |
| 07:27.40 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:27.43 | Bounty | ill put it like that |
| 07:28.07 | Bounty | log on foo >< |
| 07:28.15 | A1win | uh... I need a different radius at which this unit collides with other units and at which missiles collide with it |
| 07:28.33 | JademusSreg | Haha, I am doing stuff. I want to make sure it is worth the interruption. =D |
| 07:28.40 | Bounty | it is lol |
| 07:28.41 | Bounty | trust me |
| 07:29.37 | Bounty | just need to know if yer comin or not though |
| 07:35.27 | A1win | hmm I could do a validator for the collision search that checks for range with motherships and increase their radius... |
| 07:36.17 | A1win | uh or is there a validator to compare range between units/points |
| 07:36.44 | A1win | ah location range |
| 07:45.59 | A1win | except that it takes unit radius into account, apparently >_> |
| 07:46.42 | A1win | yay, works with target point |
| 07:51.35 | A1win | woo movement is in place now |
| 07:51.46 | A1win | might need some tweaks with ship collisions though |
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| 08:26.29 | A1win | hmm... it's a bit difficult to move because you have to move the cursor, need to stop shooting during it |
| 08:30.56 | Dustin|Alt | http://stabyourself.net/mari0/ |
| 08:31.10 | JademusSreg | I posted it earlier. =D |
| 08:31.49 | Dustin|Alt | :D |
| 08:38.12 | Dustin|Alt | haha this is sick |
| 08:38.49 | JademusSreg | If not for the time limit, I'd probably spend more time fucking around in each level. =D |
| 08:40.41 | A1win | damn, not sure how to solve this, targeting move and weapons at the same time with the cursor doesn't really work |
| 08:40.58 | A1win | especially if you have to switch to the move ability first :x |
| 08:41.02 | A1win | it's a mess |
| 08:42.04 | A1win | might be better to have it just as a keybind so that you just move the cursor quickly and press the move key, like with the teleport... but not sure if that'd be good enough either |
| 08:43.00 | A1win | maybe if it disables all abilities for a second or so that you don't feel like you're not playing right when it takes time to give the move order |
| 08:55.22 | JademusSreg | Sleep time. |
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| 09:27.01 | A1win | ahh this works, all "hold to shoot" abilities are in mouse2 and mouse1 is reserved for targetable abilities |
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| 14:06.04 | Siretu | Kueken: Are you here? |
| 14:06.27 | Kueken | yep |
| 14:07.22 | Siretu | First of all, I tried what you wrote and the beam impact location is now at the caster's position |
| 14:08.54 | Siretu | I also did another dump and the beam is still in the persistent effect's scope. |
| 14:10.53 | Kueken | hm |
| 14:11.38 | Kueken | let me test real quick |
| 14:12.33 | Siretu | Sure |
| 14:13.42 | Kueken | seems to work for me |
| 14:14.13 | Kueken | I don't use actor cheats, no idea how to use them, didn't really look at the tutorial yet ;) |
| 14:14.33 | Kueken | but if I change the tint from the actor of the target unit, it affects the beam |
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| 14:15.09 | Siretu | can you send me the test map? |
| 14:15.19 | Kueken | sure |
| 14:15.39 | Kueken | but it was originally designed to test other beam properties, so its a little messy |
| 14:15.46 | Siretu | Okay |
| 14:17.10 | Siretu | I'm not sure if I can accept files from the webchat |
| 14:17.45 | Siretu | I haven't bothered getting a serious irc client since I built my new computer |
| 14:18.42 | Kueken | I start the persistent via trigger |
| 14:19.23 | Kueken | the marine actor periodically sends a tint message to the beam |
| 14:21.03 | Siretu | So it starts out as a normal colossus beam and the marine tints it? |
| 14:21.09 | Kueken | yes |
| 14:21.16 | Siretu | Okay, I see |
| 14:21.30 | Kueken | about the scope |
| 14:21.55 | Kueken | maybe the beam is in multiple scopes or has components which let it connect to multiple scopes |
| 14:22.32 | Kueken | would make sense, since a beam connects multiple actors |
| 14:22.42 | Siretu | Yeah |
| 14:22.44 | Kueken | which might be from different scopes |
| 14:23.10 | Siretu | Great, editor stopped responding... |
| 14:23.16 | Kueken | so I am not sure, if the at target is even necessary |
| 14:30.11 | Siretu | I'll do some testing and see if I can get it to work |
| 14:47.00 | Siretu | ah, you created the persistent from the marauder to the marine and then put the tinting in the marine |
| 14:47.14 | Siretu | I would prefer to have the tinting in the caster |
| 14:47.34 | Siretu | Do I have to do something else than change from "At Target" to "At Caster"? |
| 14:59.04 | Siretu | Kueken: I tried changing the actor term in the beam to "At Caster" and that's when it changed the beam impact location to the caster's position instead of the target. However, the tinting worked perfectly |
| 14:59.51 | Kueken | good :) |
| 15:01.28 | Siretu | so should I keep it at "At caster" and fix the impact location somehow or should I change it back to "At caster" and fix the tinting some other way? |
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| 15:12.55 | Siretu | Kueken: I had to refresh the webchat. Is what I'm asking for possible? |
| 15:13.54 | Kueken | last thing I saw was |
| 15:13.54 | Kueken | (16:01:33) Siretu: so should I keep it at "At caster" and fix the impact location somehow or should I change it back to "At caster" and fix the tinting some other way? |
| 15:14.04 | Siretu | Yeah, exactly |
| 15:14.13 | Kueken | and for this I would say, it doesn't really matter |
| 15:14.15 | Siretu | Since I want the tinting to happen in the caster's actor, not the target's |
| 15:14.20 | Kueken | if your tint works, its fine |
| 15:14.27 | Siretu | well, it works but the beam doesn't |
| 15:14.44 | Siretu | the beam is no longer between the caster and the target but between the caster and the caster. |
| 15:14.44 | Kueken | ah |
| 15:14.51 | Siretu | since I changed "At target" to "At caster" |
| 15:15.16 | Kueken | then change the scope for the host impact field from implicit to scope target ^^ |
| 15:16.48 | Siretu | Awesome, that's exactly what I want |
| 15:16.49 | Siretu | Thanks |
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| 15:21.35 | Mexa | http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/03/game-of-thrones-seven-devils/ Only 1 month =D |
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| 17:05.18 | Ishadowwolf | Hey guys Say i wanted a new vote to begin after one ended what Event would I use? |
| 17:07.18 | Ishadowwolf | Well im sick and have a major headache, So its times to put a Tire on that fire, Going to try to learn some triggers. |
| 17:08.05 | Ishadowwolf | Okay im going to try to learn Dialogs, From the start, i dont want to have to get someone to do mine for me |
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| 17:31.59 | taintedwisp | Hey Anyone know of a good actor visual effect? Like The building explosion, but I want something that fits for a tree getting cut. unless you think theirs a Tree falling animation |
| 17:52.48 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 17:54.47 | McHearty | http://vimeo.com/18439821 |
| 17:55.15 | taintedwisp | I hate the new Bittorrent |
| 17:55.20 | JademusSreg | Trees have death models with physics bodies, which is cool, but those models may not be created if the player doesn't have vision of the area. This can complicate matters if the tree in question leaves a footprint after death (I know from experience. Ouch.). |
| 17:55.21 | taintedwisp | Now it has to "Flush to " |
| 17:55.23 | McHearty | lol |
| 17:55.29 | McHearty | the new bittorrent? |
| 17:58.03 | McHearty | If you're talking about magnet links, they're kinda old, and it's smart to decentralize the content |
| 17:58.06 | JademusSreg | Sixen, Focke really wants your attention: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4138435489 |
| 17:58.21 | McHearty | and if its a client update, that's not bittorrent |
| 17:58.34 | JademusSreg | He's practically begging for you to penetrate him. With your attention. |
| 18:00.09 | McHearty | I thought water pathing was coded already |
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| 18:00.19 | McHearty | It's in some wc3 ported maps |
| 18:00.28 | taintedwisp | There im back |
| 18:00.31 | taintedwisp | Yeah BIttorrent |
| 18:00.42 | taintedwisp | its for Peer to Peer downloading |
| 18:00.45 | JademusSreg | Not to my knowledge. Those maps use -very- crude unit-collision based approaches. |
| 18:00.53 | McHearty | magnet links have been around for a long time taintedwisp |
| 18:00.58 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:01.03 | taintedwisp | I still like torrets |
| 18:01.08 | McHearty | JademusSreg hmm, the era zombies does it fairly well for the direct implementation |
| 18:01.13 | taintedwisp | Torrents |
| 18:01.14 | McHearty | -09:57:59- (McHearty) If you're talking about magnet links, they're kinda old, and it's smart to decentralize the content |
| 18:01.17 | JademusSreg | And I only emphasize the crudeness because most maps don't get it right. |
| 18:01.21 | JademusSreg | Some do. |
| 18:01.52 | taintedwisp | I will switch from torrents when ExtraTorrent.com Switches |
| 18:01.57 | McHearty | If you decentralize the content, its harder to take it down |
| 18:02.11 | taintedwisp | i knw |
| 18:02.14 | McHearty | Eventually everyone's going to switch to retroshare anyways |
| 18:02.20 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:02.25 | McHearty | because it's a true darknet |
| 18:02.27 | taintedwisp | nah, im waiting for a faster way |
| 18:02.35 | McHearty | faster? |
| 18:02.38 | JademusSreg | Yes. Like viral strains in a population. Or terrorist cells. |
| 18:02.45 | taintedwisp | Im switching to this new program i think its called Skynet |
| 18:02.46 | McHearty | is 3mb/s+ not fast enough for you? |
| 18:02.48 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:02.51 | taintedwisp | Nope |
| 18:02.56 | McHearty | then join a usenet |
| 18:03.03 | McHearty | and get 6mb/s+ speeds |
| 18:03.14 | McHearty | just be glad we're not using dcc anymore |
| 18:03.21 | McHearty | shakes his head |
| 18:03.25 | taintedwisp | Skynet Controls hundreds of mankilling drones lagfree |
| 18:03.43 | McHearty | cant tell if trolling or... |
| 18:03.49 | taintedwisp | That takes about 5TBs/s |
| 18:03.53 | taintedwisp | LOL |
| 18:04.03 | JademusSreg | ~JademusSreg |
| 18:04.03 | purl | from memory, jademussreg is living large with women and money |
| 18:04.03 | taintedwisp | nah but seriously im just loyal to Extratorrent |
| 18:04.06 | taintedwisp | i trust the site |
| 18:04.09 | taintedwisp | used to be an admin |
| 18:04.10 | JademusSreg | NEato. |
| 18:04.35 | McHearty | any decentralized service can be taken down |
| 18:04.49 | McHearty | non-decentralized* |
| 18:04.50 | JademusSreg | *any service |
| 18:04.52 | taintedwisp | Yeah thats true, But doesnt mean I cant enjoy it while it last |
| 18:05.01 | McHearty | And it also puts you at risk |
| 18:05.20 | taintedwisp | nah i got Peerblock and hotspot sheild running at all times |
| 18:05.28 | McHearty | lol |
| 18:05.37 | McHearty | that's a very small sheild of protection |
| 18:05.42 | taintedwisp | Eh |
| 18:05.45 | taintedwisp | its good enough |
| 18:05.48 | taintedwisp | i dont upload |
| 18:05.48 | JademusSreg | ~Deaod |
| 18:05.48 | purl | well, deaod is a stinky cheese muffin. |
| 18:05.51 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 18:05.52 | taintedwisp | and i delete after 24 hours |
| 18:06.01 | McHearty | Unless you're wiping your drive |
| 18:06.02 | McHearty | every time |
| 18:06.05 | McHearty | thats not enough |
| 18:06.17 | taintedwisp | Its not against the law to download a file, as long as you delete it within 24 hours |
| 18:06.23 | McHearty | lol! |
| 18:06.34 | taintedwisp | I delete and put it on a seperate storage device |
| 18:06.50 | taintedwisp | That way it kills alot of the traces of it. |
| 18:06.54 | McHearty | hahahaha |
| 18:07.18 | JademusSreg | http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/01/line-of-defense-trailer%E2%80%94exclusive-first-look/ |
| 18:07.20 | McHearty | that is not at all how it works |
| 18:07.24 | McHearty | but okay |
| 18:07.30 | JademusSreg | This game is ambitious, but it looks like ass. |
| 18:07.48 | JademusSreg | Like Game Design School television advertisement ass. |
| 18:08.04 | McHearty | JademusSreg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7VJ4lP-05A |
| 18:08.09 | taintedwisp | My job is not to be 100% secure its to simply make it where its not worth their time or effort |
| 18:08.30 | McHearty | It'd take very minimal effort to track you down from what you're using to do so |
| 18:08.46 | taintedwisp | Eh, but there wouldnt be enough to convict... |
| 18:08.48 | taintedwisp | thats the thing |
| 18:08.53 | McHearty | lol |
| 18:09.02 | JademusSreg | Dear Esther is beautiful, but I'm skeptical it qualifies as a game. Rather, it is an Interactive Videographic Illustrative Narrative. |
| 18:09.05 | McHearty | all traffic that's not in a darknet is trackable |
| 18:09.14 | McHearty | it's a remake too JademusSreg, no? |
| 18:09.17 | taintedwisp | Plus seeing how I dont seed or upload, i cant be prosecuted for more then stealing at about 20$ at a time |
| 18:09.19 | taintedwisp | lol |
| 18:09.31 | JademusSreg | It's a stand-alone version of a Source mod, as I recall. |
| 18:09.41 | McHearty | Unless you're using a client pre-magnet links |
| 18:09.43 | JademusSreg | Not so much a remake, but a retelling from the same dev(s). |
| 18:09.48 | McHearty | and not using peer-peer discovery |
| 18:09.51 | McHearty | you're still prosecutable |
| 18:10.03 | McHearty | to the full extent of the riaa's power |
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| 18:10.22 | McHearty | but since you want speed, you're likely not doing those things |
| 18:10.23 | taintedwisp | lol what power? Their power is pretty much gone now. |
| 18:10.33 | JademusSreg | How about you both state where you live, and then provide links to the relevant laws being discussed? |
| 18:10.34 | McHearty | tell that to dotcom |
| 18:10.49 | taintedwisp | Dotcom ran a website..... that stored files. |
| 18:10.54 | taintedwisp | not even close to the same thing |
| 18:11.01 | taintedwisp | i dont share any of my files with anyone |
| 18:11.02 | McHearty | no |
| 18:11.08 | McHearty | they announced a new service |
| 18:11.13 | McHearty | about 2-3 weeks before the raid |
| 18:11.24 | McHearty | that was going to compete with all current distribution methods |
| 18:11.33 | McHearty | with higher bit-rates, and less of a service cut for artists |
| 18:11.41 | McHearty | which also got pushed under the radar |
| 18:11.45 | McHearty | after it happened |
| 18:11.57 | McHearty | It wasn't simply because he had a file sharing website |
| 18:12.01 | McHearty | by those grounds |
| 18:12.13 | McHearty | rapidshare should be dead, and every other file sharing site |
| 18:12.24 | McHearty | not to mention any rentable cloud computing or cloud storage website |
| 18:12.34 | JademusSreg | Ugh. Rapidshare and its ilk are the syphilitic prostitutes of the internet. |
| 18:12.57 | McHearty | but that won't happen |
| 18:13.03 | McHearty | because sites like amazon make big bucks doing that |
| 18:13.12 | taintedwisp | Either way, im not contributing to anything im only copying files, Copying in itself is a misdomeaner, the way these other idiots get busted is that they Seed, and upload back, When you seed you add a new offense per person who downloads your file |
| 18:13.40 | McHearty | You're contributing to the proliferation of copyrighted materials |
| 18:13.46 | McHearty | by peer-peer discovery |
| 18:13.48 | McHearty | and magnet links |
| 18:13.52 | taintedwisp | Nope, because i dont seed |
| 18:13.53 | McHearty | which is equal to seeding |
| 18:13.59 | McHearty | You don't have to seed for that genius |
| 18:14.36 | JademusSreg | Is this argument's point of contention prudence or legality? |
| 18:14.55 | taintedwisp | Like I said I used to be an admin of a major torrent site, i understand how it works when partaining to Peer to Peer |
| 18:14.57 | McHearty | It's more about him thinking he's secure and can avoid legal pursuit |
| 18:14.59 | McHearty | when he cant |
| 18:15.05 | McHearty | Apparently not |
| 18:15.11 | McHearty | because in a decentralized environment |
| 18:15.31 | McHearty | All the magnet links and peer to peer discovery |
| 18:15.35 | McHearty | doesn't require seeding |
| 18:15.43 | McHearty | it just requires a connection |
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| 18:15.53 | McHearty | because you're still sending packets back and forth |
| 18:15.58 | McHearty | for piece checks |
| 18:15.59 | McHearty | etc |
| 18:16.15 | McHearty | So yeah, kudos you were an admin |
| 18:16.22 | McHearty | you don't know much about how it works |
| 18:16.28 | taintedwisp | Yeah its sending packets, to a computer with nothing but a virtual OS on it |
| 18:16.35 | McHearty | lol |
| 18:16.50 | McHearty | You're 100% correct |
| 18:16.55 | McHearty | obviously |
| 18:16.59 | McHearty | I'm done argueing with you |
| 18:17.07 | taintedwisp | Eh, Whatever... |
| 18:18.48 | McHearty | but to conclude it, your 'new bittorrent' has been around for over half a decade |
| 18:19.28 | JademusSreg | (Decentralized distribution is a strategy that mitigates risk, but it is by no means completely secure by itself. It's like trying to identify a specific cell in a slime mold colony, non-trivial but possible.) |
| 18:19.47 | McHearty | Which is why it's headed to a purely encrypted trusted peer network |
| 18:19.53 | McHearty | creating a sustainable darknet |
| 18:20.33 | McHearty | http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/comments/qfpqp/anonymous_decentralized_and_uncensored/ |
| 18:20.35 | McHearty | :3 |
| 18:22.11 | JademusSreg | I think what taint is saying is that even if he does get vanned, by not seeding, he reduces his culpability. Like the difference between being charges with illicit drug possession as opposed to distribution. It's a strategy of prudence, in that respect. But then, that's not the point of contention, is it? |
| 18:23.00 | McHearty | He believes that by not seeding he's not guilty by letter of law, where he actually is because of the underlying protocol that is bittorrent |
| 18:23.03 | JademusSreg | You're arguing about whether it is possible that taint can be or will be caught? |
| 18:23.14 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 18:23.24 | McHearty | I'm argueing that he's actually just as guilty by not seeding, as he would be if he was |
| 18:24.10 | JademusSreg | I guess we'd need to cite sources for the laws in question, applicable to his region of residence. |
| 18:24.17 | McHearty | Anyways the only people getting prosecuted are the scene releasers |
| 18:24.27 | McHearty | or people moving content from usenets to torrents |
| 18:24.29 | McHearty | which is where all the content comes from anyways |
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| 18:25.08 | McHearty | anyways, I'm going to take a shower |
| 18:25.32 | JademusSreg | IF the French Revolution(s) taught us anything, it's that being at the top may jeopardizes the safety and comfort of your head. |
| 18:25.47 | JademusSreg | *may jeopardize |
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| 18:35.51 | A1win | hmm... I need some way to differentiate the spaceships in both teams... was thinking of using command center for other team but I kinda like the mothership more, and can't think of any alternatives |
| 18:36.29 | A1win | should be about round without a clear facing direction |
| 18:36.41 | A1win | so maybe something to make the motherships look different enough... |
| 18:36.55 | A1win | some kind of a sprite below them or something |
| 18:37.01 | Siretu | Use different units, use different textures or attach other units to the mothership to make it look different |
| 18:37.41 | A1win | hmm I guess mothership doesn't have dark protoss textures, or does it? |
| 18:38.28 | A1win | at least it doesn't have the actor events like others do... I guess not, then |
| 18:38.54 | Siretu | you can apply the textures of another dark protoss unit to it |
| 18:39.29 | Siretu | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20772-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id/ |
| 18:39.32 | Siretu | Check out that thread |
| 18:49.55 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 18:50.12 | JademusSreg | A1, I might have a model you can use. |
| 18:50.30 | A1win | mmh |
| 18:53.20 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/VeneriaMothership.m3 |
| 18:53.53 | McHearty | Didn't teliko release a full dark texture set? |
| 18:53.53 | JademusSreg | I had it made for a prototype, but the prototype wasn't viable. |
| 18:54.15 | McHearty | yeah he did |
| 18:54.15 | McHearty | http://telikostarcraft.com/modifications/dark-mercenary-model-swap/ |
| 18:54.24 | McHearty | The models you need |
| 18:54.27 | McHearty | should be in here |
| 18:56.18 | JademusSreg | Besides the dark protoss UI, it's not interesting. |
| 18:56.39 | A1win | hmm cool |
| 18:56.49 | McHearty | theres a full retexture of the mothership |
| 18:56.52 | A1win | except that these textures don't have player color in them o: |
| 18:57.26 | JademusSreg | The Veneria Mothership model is just a reskin using standard textures, yeah. |
| 19:00.18 | JademusSreg | Of course, attached models with team color would inherit the team color value, so that's worth noting. =D |
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| 19:01.02 | django | hey! im creating some destructible debrises on my map, but for some reason when i attack one of them with a probe, ALL of them loses health - why?? |
| 19:01.17 | A1win | maybe I should just change the player color per team instead of per player... |
| 19:01.25 | JademusSreg | Debris is singular and plural, as I recall. |
| 19:01.33 | django | ok well |
| 19:01.36 | JademusSreg | django, remove the Conjoined behavior. |
| 19:01.49 | JademusSreg | It makes them share vitals. |
| 19:02.08 | django | Ah, on the unit? |
| 19:02.11 | McHearty | I don't understand why people only use rocks as their destructable item |
| 19:02.13 | JademusSreg | Yes, |
| 19:02.17 | django | thanks |
| 19:02.17 | McHearty | there are so many cooler things you can use |
| 19:02.40 | JademusSreg | True.dat |
| 19:02.51 | McHearty | like blocking off the gold |
| 19:02.59 | McHearty | use a broken command center |
| 19:03.01 | McHearty | instead of rocks |
| 19:05.28 | A1win | pff, the lock ally color setting function doesn't work |
| 19:06.26 | JademusSreg | You mean it doesn't prevent you from using the hotkey to toggle color? =D |
| 19:06.36 | A1win | yeah ;p |
| 19:07.16 | A1win | can I disable that with something? |
| 19:08.22 | JademusSreg | I would have guessed the lock would have disabled the hotkey. |
| 19:08.49 | A1win | mm... |
| 19:10.41 | JademusSreg | UnitSetTeamColorIndex (unit inUnit, int inIndex); =D |
| 19:11.17 | A1win | is that just to change the unit's player color? |
| 19:11.29 | A1win | why do they call it team color x.x |
| 19:12.27 | A1win | I mean I was thinking of changing the units of all players in each team to use the same color, but then it'd be weird if you could still change it to the ally color (green for self, red for enemy, yellow for ally) |
| 19:12.55 | JademusSreg | PlayerSetColorIndex (int inPlayer, int inIndex, bool inChangeUnits); |
| 19:13.05 | JademusSreg | You might find that more convenient. |
| 19:13.34 | A1win | well, same thing |
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| 19:38.43 | RoarMan | Sup guys |
| 19:43.20 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 19:50.29 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/114975-nano-scale-terahertz-antenna-created-hand-held-tricorders-incoming?obref=obinsite YAY! |
| 20:14.35 | django | Why cant i modify the default nexus? |
| 20:17.47 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 20:17.52 | AlphA_VsT | should be able to |
| 20:22.56 | django | Well the modify button is gray |
| 20:37.11 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 20:41.47 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 20:56.38 | A1win | what is this "modify" button? |
| 20:57.04 | A1win | or nevermind, sleep time |
| 21:03.54 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
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| 21:13.11 | JademusSreg | I decided to test the Point precision. Turns out it has the precision of the fixed type. |
| 21:15.08 | JademusSreg | So a length of 1 has 4096 unique points. |
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| 21:22.00 | Dresnia | I came. |
| 21:22.43 | JademusSreg | So 1 cell can contain 16,777,216 unique points. That's a lot. |
| 21:24.50 | Dresnia | What 'cell'? |
| 21:25.54 | JademusSreg | Assuming each point allocates a 32-bit reference, a 32-bit x value, a 32-bit y value, a 32-bit rotation value, and a 32-bit height value, 16,777,216 points would use 2,684,354,560 bits of memory. |
| 21:26.14 | JademusSreg | A SC2 game world cell. |
| 21:31.17 | JademusSreg | 320 MiB of memory would cover every unique point in 1 cell. Haha |
| 21:31.35 | JademusSreg | That, of course, would be ridiculous. |
| 21:32.12 | JademusSreg | But that each cell contains ~16,777,216 unique positions is worth noting. |
| 21:34.26 | JademusSreg | If anything, it indicates just how much content you could cram into the map space if you were determined and not bothered by the shadows looking like ass. |
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| 23:06.20 | Daara | ok |
| 23:06.22 | Daara | someone... |
| 23:06.24 | Daara | explain how |
| 23:06.28 | Daara | this new map is #1 |
| 23:06.45 | Daara | it's like... |
| 23:06.50 | Daara | the top maps ARE GETTING WORSE |
| 23:10.19 | equinox1911 | what map are you talking baout? |
| 23:12.43 | Daara | the one with 40k hours played |
| 23:13.38 | Ahli | wasn't in bnet, busy mapping... which map is on top in EU now? |
| 23:14.00 | Daara | i dunno |
| 23:14.08 | Daara | but somehow in the us |
| 23:14.13 | Daara | custom maps are getting worse |
| 23:14.21 | Ahli | probes vs zealots or what that map is called? |
| 23:14.42 | Daara | i think this is worse |
| 23:14.45 | Daara | this new open rpg |
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| 23:16.47 | Daara | he literally just renamed named the melee units |
| 23:16.52 | Daara | gave unlimited upgrades |
| 23:16.57 | Daara | and gave you a "hero" |
| 23:17.22 | Daara | and you get minerals by farming shit that just respawns |
| 23:17.25 | Daara | over and over and over... |
| 23:22.23 | Ahli | I do not think that there are unlimited upgrades.... I'm doing sort of unlimited upgrades (10k no problem)... normal upgrades are limited to 107 or something... |
| 23:23.02 | Daara | i'm not sure how far mine go |
| 23:23.07 | Ahli | this? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4079877408 |
| 23:23.09 | Daara | they just become to expensive |
| 23:23.18 | Daara | ywa |
| 23:23.24 | Ahli | if you use the levelable data upgrades, it's 107. |
| 23:23.40 | Ahli | if you trigger your upgrades, it's how far you allow it ;D |
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| 23:24.58 | Bounty | Hay Guyz! |
| 23:25.34 | Mexa | It's on the top list due to it apparantly having replayability since it's game over when you die, and a map duration of about 1-2 hours. |
| 23:26.17 | Daara | fuck...i should just make an open rpg with my models |
| 23:26.24 | Daara | it'd have 80k hours logged |
| 23:26.30 | Daara | fuckings stupid |
| 23:26.31 | Mexa | And it only got lots of feedback |
| 23:26.55 | Mexa | And ofcourse, it's a remake of a bw map, so it's a reinvention |
| 23:27.07 | Daara | back in sc1 |
| 23:27.09 | Daara | it was like |
| 23:27.11 | Daara | a badass game |
| 23:27.21 | Daara | because that was the best you could make of an rpg |
| 23:27.39 | Mexa | I doubt anything was badass in bw... That was ore primitive than ever. |
| 23:27.49 | Daara | back then it was |
| 23:28.17 | Daara | leveling took creative thinking back then :P |
| 23:28.55 | Mexa | Like, killing the unit and replace it with a stronger one? |
| 23:29.19 | Ahli | I wonder how far I would come, if I would make a 1 to 1 copy of my random bunker defense or my poker temple map. >_> |
| 23:29.23 | Mexa | Hello on you Bounty. |
| 23:29.30 | Daara | nah |
| 23:29.38 | Daara | we did score based health and damage increase |
| 23:29.57 | ________________ | 654 |
| 23:30.19 | Daara | so you started with like 50 of 1000 possible hit points |
| 23:30.34 | Daara | and whenever you leveld the max you coul dhave was changed to say 65 |
| 23:31.26 | Mexa | Hmm |
| 23:31.32 | Ahli | leveld from 5 to 6% health, yeahhhh |
| 23:31.51 | Daara | :D |
| 23:31.55 | Mexa | Yeah gotcha, but still, doesn't sound very cretive:P |
| 23:31.57 | Mexa | *a |
| 23:32.05 | Daara | was the only way you could really do it |
| 23:32.12 | Daara | that or switching units |
| 23:32.14 | Ahli | scbw mapmaking is just a huge workaround with the limited options you got |
| 23:32.22 | Ahli | or you trigger the damage |
| 23:32.32 | Ahli | and use virtual hp system and display health in minerals |
| 23:32.33 | Ahli | or gas |
| 23:33.42 | Mexa | If that was the way to do it then, fair enough. |
| 23:34.29 | Daara | you couldn't even create custom units really |
| 23:34.43 | Ahli | I tried to make diablo in scbw... I already implemented an inventory... but I've hit the trigger limit, so saving the map crashed and it was a singleplayer map :( |
| 23:35.51 | Ahli | 71k objects of "if [list of conditions] - [list of actions]" was fun ;D math in death counters was cool too |
| 23:36.40 | Ahli | dividing values, if you can't copy values... you can only add and subtract ^^ took a few triggers to make that happen |
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| 23:38.50 | Daara | I remember when I first saw colored text in starcraft 1 |
| 23:39.02 | Daara | i was like OMG NO WAI HOW U DO GREEN TEXT WTF! |
| 23:44.40 | Mexa | zugzug |
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