| 00:00.07 | AlphA_VsT | idono how that works but |
| 00:00.15 | AlphA_VsT | I swear I set it to 0 |
| 00:12.13 | Ahli | shadow radius is only for the shadow blob I think |
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| 00:14.18 | AlphA_VsT | but i set it to not cast a shadwo blob |
| 00:14.26 | AlphA_VsT | I even removed teh create shadow events |
| 00:14.40 | AlphA_VsT | and it still created a shadow untill i sset shadow radius to 0 |
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| 00:37.39 | AlphA_VsT | fuyck me |
| 00:37.43 | AlphA_VsT | still a shadow |
| 00:39.51 | Mexa_ | fuyck |
| 00:39.58 | Mexa_ | Not going well huh? |
| 00:42.22 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:42.59 | JademusSreg | Perhaps you can disable it from the actor. |
| 00:43.52 | AlphA_VsT | i did |
| 00:44.02 | AlphA_VsT | i removed the actor events for creating shadows |
| 00:45.03 | JademusSreg | Is it a shadow or a splat? |
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| 00:45.15 | AlphA_VsT | idono |
| 00:45.21 | AlphA_VsT | i would assume shadow |
| 00:45.27 | AlphA_VsT | since it only shows with shadows on |
| 00:46.48 | AlphA_VsT | maybe i need to restart the game |
| 00:47.42 | AlphA_VsT | nope |
| 00:47.57 | AlphA_VsT | what am i missing here |
| 01:06.53 | Mexa_ | "Season 2 of Game Of Thrones premieres Spring of 2012." yay |
| 01:07.04 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 01:07.31 | Mexa_ | Still need to watch season 1 though:P |
| 01:07.39 | AlphA_VsT | lol what |
| 01:07.46 | Mexa_ | Only seen 2 episodes. |
| 01:08.02 | AlphA_VsT | i thought game of thrones was in march |
| 01:08.15 | Mexa_ | march is in the spring. |
| 01:08.34 | AlphA_VsT | fuck your logic |
| 01:08.48 | Mexa_ | :>? |
| 01:08.56 | AlphA_VsT | OFMG |
| 01:09.04 | AlphA_VsT | SHADOWS!!!! |
| 01:09.07 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK YOU! |
| 01:09.16 | Ahli | first april |
| 01:09.20 | Mexa_ | FUCK THEM! |
| 01:09.43 | JademusSreg | Is this how orgies usually begin? |
| 01:09.48 | AlphA_VsT | i cant get this shadow to go away |
| 01:10.52 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-02-29%20at%205.08.51%20PM.png :( |
| 01:11.10 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 01:11.39 | JademusSreg | What is that supposed to be? |
| 01:11.42 | Mexa_ | The arrow shadow? |
| 01:11.54 | Mexa_ | I mean the point shadow. |
| 01:11.58 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 01:11.59 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-02-29%20at%205.10.22%20PM.png |
| 01:12.05 | AlphA_VsT | NOTHING! |
| 01:12.46 | AlphA_VsT | fucking shit is pissing off its a shadow |
| 01:12.51 | AlphA_VsT | and i have shadows off |
| 01:12.57 | Mexa_ | Hey Alpha, is the mac editor faster than the windows one? |
| 01:12.59 | JademusSreg | You're using that for the shout? That's silly. |
| 01:13.25 | Net_Creator | Doubted. |
| 01:13.43 | AlphA_VsT | its the best I have for now |
| 01:13.49 | AlphA_VsT | untill I make my own |
| 01:13.51 | Net_Creator | Thus far, it's felt like running the editor in Windows is faster than in Mac. |
| 01:13.52 | AlphA_VsT | so yeah |
| 01:14.07 | Mexa_ | okay. |
| 01:14.14 | Net_Creator | Blizzard doesn't do that great of a job of using OpenGL to their advantage. |
| 01:14.22 | AlphA_VsT | they do |
| 01:14.22 | JademusSreg | Why not avoid "markers" altogether? Force players to rely on, say, their ears to hear the shout? |
| 01:14.27 | Mexa_ | Well, the mac editor is sure prettier. |
| 01:14.36 | Mexa_ | And the windows one is sluggish. |
| 01:14.41 | Mexa_ | Imo |
| 01:14.55 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:15.10 | Mexa_ | And well both of them probably lacks multithreading support. |
| 01:15.10 | AlphA_VsT | its nice but i wish they would fix the fucking buttons |
| 01:15.12 | Net_Creator | I've always had worse performance whilst in Snow Leopard than in XP. |
| 01:15.19 | AlphA_VsT | so you can atually tell if its pressed or not |
| 01:15.25 | JademusSreg | Unless you are, say, so magnanimous you're ibncluding those markers specifically for deaf players. |
| 01:15.30 | JademusSreg | *including |
| 01:15.36 | AlphA_VsT | Yes, yes i am |
| 01:15.39 | JademusSreg | Lies. |
| 01:15.47 | Bounty | aha |
| 01:15.53 | Bounty | Jade mispelled |
| 01:15.55 | Bounty | herp derp |
| 01:16.06 | AlphA_VsT | End of the world :D |
| 01:16.19 | JademusSreg | I misspell words frequently. |
| 01:16.28 | Bounty | not that i've seen |
| 01:16.39 | AlphA_VsT | but seriously... how the fuck do i get rid of the shadow |
| 01:17.22 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-02-29%20at%205.13.20%20PM.png |
| 01:17.30 | AlphA_VsT | my actor events are the ones I made |
| 01:17.31 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 01:26.35 | AlphA_VsT | seriously |
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| 01:55.03 | Bounty | You there JademusSreg? |
| 02:01.13 | Mexa_ | Oh noes, curse is doing some maintenance. |
| 02:02.32 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:02.42 | AlphA_VsT | anyone help me with my sahdow issue :( |
| 02:05.11 | Bounty | i would but im having my own shadow issues lol |
| 02:05.24 | Ahli | how about "setCastShadows 0" |
| 02:05.26 | Bounty | they seem to just vanish for no reason |
| 02:06.24 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:06.33 | AlphA_VsT | im i actually editing your map here :P |
| 02:06.56 | Bounty | ? |
| 02:08.52 | AlphA_VsT | joke? :P |
| 02:09.03 | Bounty | ah |
| 02:09.04 | Bounty | >< |
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| 02:15.53 | AlphA_VsT | HOLY SHIT |
| 02:15.56 | AlphA_VsT | that worked |
| 02:16.04 | AlphA_VsT | when everything else didnt |
| 02:16.57 | AlphA_VsT | so much drama for something stupid |
| 02:25.04 | Mexa_ | Oh you dama queen |
| 02:25.09 | Mexa_ | *drama¨ |
| 02:25.30 | Mexa_ | brb¨ |
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| 02:46.43 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:59.48 | yttrium | alrighty, i'm back |
| 03:00.27 | yttrium | JademusSreg: is there any way to make that camera /movement system rotate the camera on the Y axis as well as X? |
| 03:00.48 | JademusSreg | You can make it rotate at an axis, yeah. |
| 03:00.50 | JademusSreg | *any |
| 03:02.00 | yttrium | How? |
| 03:02.19 | yttrium | I'm really liking this system, as long as I can use the Y as well |
| 03:02.46 | JademusSreg | See in the UI Settings script where I set rotation Yaw to 1 and the others to 0? |
| 03:03.36 | yttrium | hold on, opening |
| 03:04.11 | JademusSreg | The others are called Pitch and Roll. You're probably refering to Pitch, looking up and down. |
| 03:04.48 | yttrium | yes, pitch - i know the the terms |
| 03:05.03 | yttrium | so just set to 1 (binary)? |
| 03:05.37 | yttrium | yup that works |
| 03:05.38 | JademusSreg | It's fixed type. The value represents a factor. |
| 03:05.38 | yttrium | awesome |
| 03:06.13 | yttrium | as in, it can go higher than 1 to make it more sensitive? |
| 03:06.21 | yttrium | or am i completely misunderstanding? |
| 03:06.25 | JademusSreg | 1 (1.0) means it's a 1:1 relationship between input and rotation. |
| 03:06.37 | yttrium | ahh, yep. |
| 03:06.42 | JademusSreg | Yeah, higher should mean more sensitive. |
| 03:07.25 | yttrium | so, does UI have to be disabled for this camera? |
| 03:08.25 | JademusSreg | No, it just makes it look better. |
| 03:08.42 | JademusSreg | No reason to see the usual UI junk that clutters the screen. |
| 03:09.01 | yttrium | how easy is it to implement just the minimap? |
| 03:09.16 | JademusSreg | Should be pretty easy. |
| 03:09.20 | yttrium | alright |
| 03:09.25 | yttrium | i'm thinking a collapsable minimap |
| 03:09.35 | yttrium | like, hitting M would toggle it |
| 03:09.52 | JademusSreg | Easy. |
| 03:10.03 | yttrium | figured as much |
| 03:10.13 | yttrium | i know toggles will be easy, was just wondering how hard minimap would be |
| 03:10.16 | JademusSreg | Just need to selectively toggle visibility opf the minimap frame. |
| 03:10.22 | yttrium | hell, there's probably even a premade entry for it |
| 03:10.27 | yttrium | ahhh |
| 03:10.34 | yttrium | will do |
| 03:10.58 | yttrium | so, how does it determine what unit the camera follows? |
| 03:11.10 | yttrium | variables? |
| 03:11.30 | JademusSreg | I do it in the configure camera function in the Worm script. |
| 03:12.13 | yttrium | which is located where? |
| 03:12.20 | JademusSreg | I call CameraFollowUnitGroup on the unitgroup in Worm.playerData[player].worgGroup. |
| 03:12.32 | JademusSreg | *wormGroup |
| 03:13.05 | JademusSreg | (I don't have the editor open, so this is from memory.) |
| 03:13.23 | yttrium | where do i find this, though? |
| 03:13.41 | yttrium | the farthest i ever go in relation to scripting is triggers, and yes i know they're entirely different |
| 03:14.04 | JademusSreg | All the functions in the script are fairly explicit. Worm_ConfigureCameras or something like that. |
| 03:15.09 | JademusSreg | Well, the logic and feature set between GUI and galaxy script is nearly identical. I don'y do much that can't be done in GUI. |
| 03:15.20 | JademusSreg | *don't |
| 03:15.48 | yttrium | i mean, where do I find all this? not finding anything related in the custom script entries in the trigger module |
| 03:16.23 | JademusSreg | What do you mean? |
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| 03:17.22 | yttrium | ...nevermind, found it. |
| 03:17.41 | yttrium | i was thinking there might be another location to find this data because i was not having luck in the trigger module, but i found it. |
| 03:18.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:20.45 | yttrium | so what exact entry do i change to pick what unit it does this for? how does it reference the unit ID? |
| 03:21.28 | yttrium | because simply pasting this into the map is doing nil, which i expected |
| 03:22.36 | JademusSreg | I created a Worm unit. The Worm script has a string constant. |
| 03:22.52 | JademusSreg | Worm_wormUnitType = "Worm"; |
| 03:23.00 | yttrium | yes, i can see that- |
| 03:23.05 | yttrium | i just don't know hwhere to begin changing it |
| 03:23.30 | JademusSreg | It's the unit id. |
| 03:24.57 | yttrium | and there's where i went wrong - |
| 03:25.02 | yttrium | while i named my unit Worm normally, |
| 03:25.09 | yttrium | it still has the UID of Infestor |
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| 03:26.14 | yttrium | so, since it isn't disabling the UI, i have a feeling it's not detecting the player group correctly? |
| 03:29.40 | yttrium | here, do you want me to send you the map so you can do your magic? |
| 03:29.51 | yttrium | i clearly can't figure this out |
| 03:30.49 | JademusSreg | Hm, I'm too busy at the moment to take a look. |
| 03:31.00 | yttrium | alright. |
| 03:31.09 | JademusSreg | And figuring stuff out is easy, just takes patience. |
| 03:31.34 | yttrium | but is it possible that it isn't detecting the playergroup correctly? |
| 03:32.21 | JademusSreg | Not the way I wrote it. |
| 03:35.34 | yttrium | when it says void UI_ConfigureCameras (playergroup g); what does "g" mean? |
| 03:36.48 | JademusSreg | It's the function argument. |
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| 03:38.09 | JademusSreg | The parameter playergroup g is what is passed to the function when it is called. |
| 03:38.42 | JademusSreg | It configures the camera settings for the playergroup passed to it. |
| 03:41.23 | yttrium | is there anything besides unit and map bounds that may have trouble referencing correctly when the script is inserted into a different map? |
| 03:43.16 | JademusSreg | There are some points, yes. Such as the point center = Point(28.0,28.0); in the aforementioned camera function, and a similar point allocated to Worm.mapCenter in the function Worm_InitializeData(). |
| 03:43.18 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:43.28 | yttrium | got those already |
| 03:43.33 | yttrium | that's what i meant by map bounds |
| 03:44.48 | yttrium | ohhh, so it spawns the unit |
| 03:49.54 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:51.17 | yttrium | well, it's not spawning a unit. |
| 03:51.50 | JademusSreg | Is the unit id entered correctly? |
| 03:52.01 | yttrium | yeah. |
| 03:53.42 | JademusSreg | Are you certain? Even a bad point would cause it to spawn at point 0,0 so I figure the id must be wrong. |
| 03:54.17 | yttrium | const string Worm_wormUnitType = "Infestor"; |
| 03:54.22 | yttrium | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.27 | JademusSreg | Or the script isn't being initialized. |
| 03:54.30 | yttrium | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.34 | yttrium | that's probably it |
| 03:54.56 | yttrium | but why wouldn't it be? |
| 03:55.13 | JademusSreg | That line at the bottom, below the custom script entry body. If it's blank, then it's missing the initializer. |
| 03:55.14 | yttrium | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:55.16 | yttrium | ...yeah |
| 03:55.21 | yttrium | saw that before you said it |
| 03:55.28 | yttrium | noticed it was emtpy on mine, changed layers to your map |
| 03:55.41 | yttrium | derp |
| 03:56.48 | yttrium | works! |
| 03:56.58 | yttrium | how would you edit it to make it do this to a pre-placed unit? |
| 03:57.36 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't. Especially if there are multiple rounds to the game. |
| 03:58.18 | Currydevil | I think trying to synergize abilities makes it harder to come up with em =P |
| 03:58.29 | yttrium | there's only one round atm |
| 03:58.55 | JademusSreg | Of course, that script is just to demonstrate how the movement system works. So you will find a need to change things as your projects grows. |
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| 03:59.32 | JademusSreg | But there's just no good reason to have it use preplaced units. |
| 03:59.52 | JademusSreg | The script creates the player units in a circle relative to the number of players. |
| 04:01.21 | JademusSreg | So 2 players will start facing opposite ends at a radius from center of 1. 12 players would start at 30 degree increments from one another, facing outward, at a radius of 6 from the center. |
| 04:01.55 | JademusSreg | Using preplaced units simply wouldn't make sense if the player count is a variable quantity. |
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| 04:02.54 | yttrium_ | actually, hold on |
| 04:04.12 | yttrium | actually, i think if i set the game at map initialization to pick every unit owned by a player and put them into a variable |
| 04:04.14 | yttrium | it would work |
| 04:04.22 | yttrium | and that unit would automatically work for the camera |
| 04:04.26 | yttrium | hold on, let me test this theory |
| 04:04.43 | JademusSreg | My point is that it's less effective than spawning them. |
| 04:05.36 | yttrium | i understand |
| 04:05.59 | yttrium | how does the script handle multiple players? |
| 04:06.13 | JademusSreg | [23:01:18] <JademusSreg> So 2 players will start facing opposite ends at a radius from center of 1. 12 players would start at 30 degree increments from one another, facing outward, at a radius of 6 from the center. |
| 04:06.13 | JademusSreg | [23:01:52] <JademusSreg> Using preplaced units simply wouldn't make sense if the player count is a variable quantity. |
| 04:06.33 | yttrium | ah |
| 04:06.46 | yttrium | i've set mine to place players in prepositioned regions in a square |
| 04:07.45 | yttrium | when a player dies (hits another player's worm or an enemy) they get teleported to the region and the worm segments die |
| 04:08.02 | yttrium | so if i'm understanding correctly and set the variables correctly, i could make that still happen |
| 04:08.02 | JademusSreg | That gives players at the corner of the square a head start over players closer to the center. |
| 04:08.17 | JademusSreg | Yeah, easy. |
| 04:08.41 | yttrium | so players just spawn in the circle - they will still teleport to their regions |
| 04:08.42 | yttrium | alrighty |
| 04:08.49 | yttrium | long night of work ahead! |
| 04:09.08 | Kueken | :D |
| 04:09.16 | Kueken | sounds funny for me |
| 04:09.37 | Kueken | 5 am here, not much of a night ahead xD |
| 04:13.54 | yttrium | only 11pm here |
| 04:14.07 | yttrium | http://pastebin.com/CyTcKpcJ |
| 04:14.10 | yttrium | yup, simple enough |
| 04:15.59 | Kueken | with at most 1 |
| 04:16.12 | Kueken | so from all worms, you pick one? |
| 04:16.21 | Kueken | is this intentional? |
| 04:16.30 | yttrium | one for each player |
| 04:16.32 | yttrium | there's only one worm |
| 04:16.38 | yttrium | ... |
| 04:16.41 | yttrium | wait- |
| 04:16.49 | Kueken | you only pick one map-wide |
| 04:16.50 | yttrium | ohhhhhhhkay |
| 04:16.52 | yttrium | set to 12 |
| 04:16.53 | yttrium | my bad :s |
| 04:17.20 | Kueken | just skip the number limitation |
| 04:17.41 | Kueken | if only 12 are present, you don't need to specify that in the script |
| 04:18.32 | yttrium | meh, alright, set to any amount |
| 04:19.24 | yttrium | oh dear |
| 04:19.25 | yttrium | wait a minute |
| 04:19.43 | yttrium | now that i'm using a variable array... i can actually make these triggers dynamic |
| 04:19.44 | yttrium | finally |
| 04:20.11 | yttrium | just gotta make the rest of the variables arrays |
| 04:23.25 | yttrium | for events |
| 04:23.28 | yttrium | would " Unit - Any Unit Enters a distance of 2.5 from (Random Living unit from WormUnit[Any])" |
| 04:23.41 | yttrium | make it so that any unit in that variable unit group work fire off the trigger? |
| 04:24.48 | JademusSreg | Enters distance is a very inefficient approach to collision. |
| 04:25.22 | Kueken | also you pick a random unit near the worm at map initialization and register an event for it |
| 04:25.34 | JademusSreg | What's the speed limit for units in your map? |
| 04:26.08 | Kueken | not near, I mean from the group |
| 04:26.25 | Kueken | is WormUnit a group array? |
| 04:26.33 | Kueken | has to be, right? |
| 04:26.51 | Kueken | if it holds a single unit, why take a group variable? |
| 04:26.57 | yttrium | worm is 4 |
| 04:27.00 | yttrium | others not sure of |
| 04:27.17 | JademusSreg | Also, unless the array is initialized before the event is registered, it will just be null. |
| 04:27.19 | yttrium | using distance is actually the best way i've come across, because of how my worm segments are registered |
| 04:28.17 | JademusSreg | Anyway, naw, event-based collision detection is ugly. Ugly in the sense you'd need to register it for every new unit, iirc. |
| 04:28.47 | yttrium | kueken, because- |
| 04:28.50 | yttrium | wait, it's working now... |
| 04:29.07 | yttrium | originally it wouldn't let me do http://pastebin.com/CyTcKpcJ if wormUnit was a single unit |
| 04:29.11 | yttrium | only showed up as a group |
| 04:29.15 | yttrium | but now... it works? i don't know |
| 04:29.16 | Kueken | if the worm is permanent and he wants to register unitś coming near the worm, it should work out just fine |
| 04:29.27 | JademusSreg | You could data-based collision detection, which has an upper bound on its possible precision. |
| 04:29.48 | yttrium | the issue is that i need different distance values for different units |
| 04:30.06 | yttrium | otherwise worms can't make decent turns |
| 04:30.21 | JademusSreg | Yeah, if the collision unit never dies or you otherwise don't need to add new units to the register, it's perfectly fine. |
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| 04:30.50 | Kueken | if you need to dynamically register triggers, you will need galaxy script |
| 04:31.13 | JademusSreg | I should point out that both the event-based and data-based approaches to collision detection have the same upward bounds on precision. |
| 04:31.51 | Kueken | .0625/collision size |
| 04:31.58 | yttrium | kueken, i simply mean making it so that a trigger can work for all players |
| 04:32.19 | yttrium | so i use array-based variables instead of say, "worm 1", "worm 2", etc |
| 04:32.31 | yttrium | found an issue though- |
| 04:32.34 | Kueken | yes, I get that ;) |
| 04:32.36 | JademusSreg | speedLimit = (radius*2)*(1/period)) |
| 04:32.50 | Kueken | Random Living unit from WormUnit |
| 04:32.51 | yttrium | i can't specify distance to a specific unit |
| 04:32.59 | yttrium | it does not recognize wormUnit as being a valid variable for that field |
| 04:33.15 | Kueken | thats because it is a unit variable |
| 04:33.30 | yttrium | i mean prior to making it a unit group |
| 04:33.32 | Kueken | and Random living unit from unit group needs a group variable |
| 04:33.37 | yttrium | when the event asks for a specific unit, i can't do it |
| 04:33.49 | Kueken | you have an array of units |
| 04:34.00 | Kueken | so you might want to use a loop instead |
| 04:34.05 | yttrium | and i was hoping i could set the array to "any" |
| 04:34.24 | Kueken | heh ;) |
| 04:34.35 | Kueken | you have a long way to go, young padawan xD |
| 04:34.36 | JademusSreg | radius = 0.5; period = 0.0625; (0.5*2)*(1/0.0625) = 16; |
| 04:35.27 | Kueken | yep, I had it wrong |
| 04:35.29 | JademusSreg | As you increase the collision detection radius, you can get away with higher speeds without too much precision loss. |
| 04:35.35 | Mexa_ | Are you programming a snake mod or something? |
| 04:35.41 | yttrium | exactly that. |
| 04:36.02 | JademusSreg | I made a snake/worm movement demo for ytt last night. |
| 04:36.12 | JademusSreg | And he's taking it from there. |
| 04:36.16 | Mexa_ | aha |
| 04:36.23 | Kueken | a dynamic one so you actually need the collision detection? |
| 04:36.26 | Mexa_ | Mind if I also look at that? I'm bored. |
| 04:36.32 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 04:36.34 | Kueken | or a basic grid one, where you could skip this stuff |
| 04:36.53 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/WormMovementDemo.SC2Map |
| 04:37.52 | Mexa_ | Oooh, awesome. Rayman Origins is soon on Steam :D |
| 04:38.26 | Mexa_ | http://store.steampowered.com/app/207490 |
| 04:38.33 | yttrium | to be fair |
| 04:38.40 | yttrium | i had a pretty decently sized working map so far |
| 04:38.52 | yttrium | but the movement/camera system is huge |
| 04:39.10 | JademusSreg | I made it because all the arguments in the channel about "move order conflicts" and so forth to make a right-click input-utilizing event-based perpetual motion system were filling me with ennui. |
| 04:39.43 | JademusSreg | I've never played a Rayman game. |
| 04:41.05 | Mexa_ | Dang |
| 04:41.21 | Mexa_ | Rayman 2 provided tons of fun back in my Dreamcast days. |
| 04:41.43 | Mexa_ | And its environment and style is pretty charming |
| 04:41.44 | JademusSreg | Getting Dreamcasts to execute arbitrary code was pretty fun too. |
| 04:42.16 | JademusSreg | Is it a platformer series? |
| 04:42.42 | Mexa_ | yeah |
| 04:43.02 | Mexa_ | rayman 1 was a 2d platformer, whereas rayman 2 and 3 is in 3d |
| 04:43.20 | JademusSreg | I guess I'll give the demo a try. |
| 04:43.22 | Mexa_ | After that, you'll hear about the silly Rayman and the rabib rabbits or something, which is more of a spinoff |
| 04:43.58 | Mexa_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nXurC9hMXg Rayman 2 |
| 04:45.17 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 04:51.53 | AlphA_VsT | oh man i missed stuff |
| 04:53.12 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 04:53.20 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 04:53.23 | Kueken | yay, we can like posts on mapster now xD |
| 04:53.40 | JademusSreg | That sounds pointless. |
| 04:53.47 | AlphA_VsT | pretty much |
| 04:54.42 | Kueken | I dont think its that bad, maybe it helps in finding your answers |
| 04:54.44 | Kueken | dunno |
| 04:55.28 | Kueken | also adds +rep to the poster to boost his e-peen |
| 04:55.55 | JademusSreg | There's a reputation system? |
| 04:56.05 | Kueken | in an ideal world, this would mean a significant improvement to the post quality :D |
| 04:56.10 | Kueken | there is now |
| 04:56.56 | Kueken | just noticed a couple of hours ago |
| 04:57.04 | AlphA_VsT | lol... |
| 04:57.08 | AlphA_VsT | pointless |
| 04:57.08 | Kueken | they must have added it very recently |
| 04:57.16 | Mexa_ | Wait a couple of months, and you'll see how well repwhoring has tormented the site. |
| 04:57.29 | Mexa_ | Reputation will have no meaning in the end. |
| 04:57.35 | AlphA_VsT | everyone going give me +1 yay do it |
| 04:57.40 | Kueken | I never experienced it, is it really that bad? xD |
| 04:57.46 | JademusSreg | The Hive Workshop is a pretty nice example of rep run amok. |
| 04:57.56 | Mexa_ | ^ |
| 04:58.07 | AlphA_VsT | in theory its a good idea |
| 04:58.16 | AlphA_VsT | but it doesn't work at all |
| 04:58.28 | JademusSreg | Which "theory" would that be? =D |
| 04:58.41 | Kueken | the ideal world one I mentioned earlier |
| 04:58.47 | AlphA_VsT | The where they think it is a good idea :D |
| 04:59.12 | JademusSreg | So you mean to say a reputation system would befit the same ideal world within which communism is apparently viable? =D |
| 04:59.26 | AlphA_VsT | SUre |
| 04:59.31 | Kueken | ...or capitalism, for that matter :D |
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| 05:01.17 | Kueken | well, for me, rep is just another random number in my profile |
| 05:01.22 | Kueken | just like post count |
| 05:01.24 | JademusSreg | Anyway, meritocracies don't need points; when you add a quantifiable dimension to a social system, it will eclipse the very value you sought to quantify. |
| 05:02.22 | JademusSreg | It will be gamed. |
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| 05:07.07 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 05:07.14 | JademusSreg | Imagine you have a pastry forum, and you decide to implement Muffin Points to give users the ability to promote other users and their contributions. Users interested in acquiring these Muffin Points will make contributions to the forum they expect will earn these points. The problem is not in the mechanism, but it what other users are willing to promote, and the quid pro quo arrangements |
| 05:07.14 | JademusSreg | they will make with one another. |
| 05:07.38 | JademusSreg | *but in what |
| 05:09.52 | JademusSreg | To get the most Muffin Points, a user needn't make actually valuable contributions to the forums, they need only contribute what others are willing to promote. It becomes something of a political game, one that can overshadow the purpose of the site. |
| 05:11.44 | JademusSreg | The Hive Workshop is full of precisely that kind of facile sycophantic attitude. |
| 05:12.55 | JademusSreg | Everyone praising one another over the most inane shit. |
| 05:13.08 | AlphA_VsT | yeah, but its a cool feature jade :D |
| 05:13.12 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:13.15 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:14.13 | Kueken | heh |
| 05:14.43 | Kueken | but they fixed some other bugs as well |
| 05:16.17 | JademusSreg | I'd post that in the topic, but then someone would Like it and irony would simply be excessive. |
| 05:17.32 | AlphA_VsT | what frame is "player left the game" shown in? chat frame? |
| 05:17.41 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 05:17.52 | AlphA_VsT | ok |
| 05:17.58 | AlphA_VsT | double checking |
| 05:24.54 | Kueken | so the solution would be to not post in the forums anymore |
| 05:25.13 | Kueken | great, now we achieved exactly what the system should do |
| 05:25.29 | JademusSreg | (1) I already don't. (2) The -real- solution is to not give a fuck. Accomplished. |
| 05:27.48 | AlphA_VsT | not giving a fuck or having someone who runs a site that understand that it is a stupid thing to incorperate... |
| 05:27.58 | AlphA_VsT | incorporate |
| 05:28.45 | JademusSreg | It's pointless, and I can make an argument to that effect, and still not give a fuck. |
| 05:29.22 | Parthon | waves to everyone |
| 05:29.37 | JademusSreg | takes 2 damage. |
| 05:29.57 | Kueken | its super effective |
| 05:30.02 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:30.16 | Kueken | actually noone managed to damage jade for 2 damage before |
| 05:30.33 | Parthon | rofl |
| 05:30.40 | Parthon | hey, I'm not that bad, honestly |
| 05:30.51 | Kueken | you broke him |
| 05:30.57 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:31.08 | Parthon | I'm just reminded of two things, the digg lords and a forum I was on which only had one indicator: post count :P |
| 05:31.40 | AlphA_VsT | post count is also pretty bad |
| 05:31.43 | JademusSreg | Realm of the Diggle Something. |
| 05:31.57 | AlphA_VsT | Its who has the bigger post count... |
| 05:32.20 | AlphA_VsT | you get people making 1 word posts to everything |
| 05:32.35 | Parthon | yeah, it was a great forum at the start, but at the end the decent posts were being drowned in smaller posts by long term members that spent ages on the site |
| 05:33.01 | AlphA_VsT | yeah 0.o |
| 05:33.35 | Parthon | meaningless posts could get you banned, but still too much chaff |
| 05:34.05 | Parthon | the digg lords one was about how the reputation system meant that there were about a dozen people who could make or break an article on digg, and generally held sway over what appeared on the site |
| 05:34.30 | AlphA_VsT | seriosuly? |
| 05:34.32 | Parthon | what was meant to be a democratic site has turned into this strange popularity/reputation game with power |
| 05:34.37 | JademusSreg | Ah. I forgot digg was a thing. |
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| 05:35.10 | Parthon | yeah, as opposed to dungeons of dredmor, realm of the diggle gods :P |
| 05:35.17 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:35.51 | JademusSreg | Dungeons of Dredmor is such a crap game, but amusing. |
| 05:36.09 | Parthon | crap how though? I love it :P |
| 05:36.36 | JademusSreg | The interface alone is torturous. |
| 05:37.02 | Parthon | oh yeah, the interface is horrible |
| 05:37.30 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:37.34 | AlphA_VsT | yeah it is |
| 05:37.40 | AlphA_VsT | but it's fun |
| 05:37.51 | Parthon | and there's so many bugs in it |
| 05:37.55 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 05:38.04 | AlphA_VsT | I stopped playing it |
| 05:38.05 | Parthon | but for a casual roguelike, it's great |
| 05:38.43 | AlphA_VsT | yeah it is |
| 05:39.03 | AlphA_VsT | i wonder if it was updated recently |
| 05:39.20 | AlphA_VsT | I hate roguelike games because they end :P |
| 05:39.35 | JademusSreg | "Here's a bunch of shit you can't use now, nor will you ever be able to use throughout the course of your game. And it takes up so much space you don't even need to worry about moving the frames; you'll never be happy with it. And they're all modal, just in case you wanted to do something else and get distracted. And he's a bunch of shit you won't be able to craft because you didn't select |
| 05:39.36 | JademusSreg | that skill set." |
| 05:39.54 | JademusSreg | *here's |
| 05:40.06 | AlphA_VsT | hahahaha omg yeah |
| 05:40.59 | JademusSreg | It's like "Why are you showing me everything I can't do ever! At -least- prioritize the shit on this list." |
| 05:41.27 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 05:42.04 | JademusSreg | I can understand showing them on principle, give the player an idea of what they could do with a different character, so by the time you die, you already have your next build in mind. |
| 05:42.27 | Parthon | but 80% of the stuff you pick up is useless :P |
| 05:42.28 | JademusSreg | But goddamn, sort and filter. |
| 05:43.27 | JademusSreg | And that's not even aesthetics or how slowly the game runs in every conceivable capacity. That's just my criticism of its design. |
| 05:43.44 | JademusSreg | So yeah, it's crap. But amusing crap. |
| 05:44.17 | JademusSreg | Like a turd with a tapeworm in it, and the tapeworm talks and tells jokes and does impressions. And that tapeworm's name is Dane Cook. |
| 05:44.36 | Parthon | but, dane cook still isn't funny, ever |
| 05:44.36 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:44.41 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:44.51 | Parthon | it's more like a gold nugget inside a turd |
| 05:44.56 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 05:44.58 | Parthon | it's hard to find, and covered in crap |
| 05:45.34 | Parthon | dang it |
| 05:45.43 | JademusSreg | Dungeons of Dredmor's enjoyable content is all in the tooltips for the items and abilities. |
| 05:45.47 | Parthon | so I can make a behaviour with an attribute, but I can't use an event to change the attribute? |
| 05:46.28 | JademusSreg | How would an event change an attribute? |
| 05:46.46 | JademusSreg | An event registers a trigger to execute in response to a set of circumstances. |
| 05:47.00 | Parthon | sorry, effect, derp |
| 05:47.08 | Parthon | I can't use an effect to change an attribute |
| 05:47.28 | JademusSreg | Hm. There is the Modify Unit effect, but I'm not aware if it can. |
| 05:47.44 | Parthon | it can't |
| 05:47.56 | JademusSreg | IF not, I'd see if a behavior buff can modify it. |
| 05:49.15 | JademusSreg | And if that doesn't work, I'd use a dummy effect to signal a trigger to apply the desired changes. |
| 05:49.28 | Parthon | yeah, a behaviour buff can modify it |
| 05:49.32 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 05:49.51 | Parthon | when the buff is removed, the attribute would go down again though right? |
| 05:49.57 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 05:50.10 | Parthon | okay |
| 05:50.27 | Parthon | is there a limit to how many times a behaviour can be applied to a unit? |
| 05:51.19 | A1win | maximum stack count, default is 1, but you can change it |
| 05:51.34 | Parthon | I'm thinking 100 :P |
| 05:51.43 | A1win | sure |
| 05:51.54 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 05:52.00 | Parthon | I'm not sure how else to do it though |
| 05:52.12 | JademusSreg | I'd assume the max count would be a power of 2. |
| 05:52.33 | Parthon | the situation is two units A and B giving energy to C, which once it has 100 from both, it uses an autocast ability |
| 05:52.33 | A1win | I assumed he meant he's thinking of applying 100 stacks |
| 05:52.43 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 05:52.47 | Parthon | yeah, exactly that, emulating energy |
| 05:52.49 | Kueken | I know of reports that stacks >256 cause heavy lags |
| 05:52.52 | JademusSreg | I misunderstood. =D |
| 05:54.18 | Parthon | Kueken: that's interesting indeed |
| 05:54.30 | Parthon | I wonder why, must be something to do with the way data is handled |
| 05:55.00 | A1win | I got an interesting idea for an arcadeish pvp game yesterday, a battle with stationary spaceships from top-down view, shooting all kinds of projectiles at each other, and teleporting to new locations at times, the entire arena fit to the camera view so that mouse moved event is viable to catch mouse coordinates and be used for diablo style controls for aiming and shooting |
| 05:56.44 | A1win | both mouse buttons can have one ability in them at a time, and it can be changed by using a command card button, after which the change goes on a cooldown for that button so that when you change your mouse1 ability, you need to wait until you can choose a new one for mouse1, and same for mouse2 on a separate cooldown |
| 05:56.51 | JademusSreg | So prototype it. |
| 05:57.23 | A1win | yeah I already made a small test, the controls feel quite good |
| 05:57.42 | A1win | lag shouldn't matter so much because the projectiles don't hit instantly, they just start making their way towards the enemy when used |
| 05:57.52 | A1win | *when launched |
| 05:58.15 | JademusSreg | Ah, so a decent/good error margin. |
| 05:58.45 | Parthon | A1win: that's pretty cool idea |
| 05:58.50 | Parthon | custom map or stand along game? |
| 05:58.56 | A1win | map |
| 05:59.19 | A1win | a standalone game could do better controls |
| 06:01.13 | A1win | I'm not sure how the teleporting would work... I've imagined there'd be randomly spawning objects on the map, and players would only be able to teleport on those, and teleport would also have a cooldown... the objects would either be power ups or some kind of resources which might be needed for all attacks made by mouse2 abilities or something, but I haven't quite figured out what'd be the best |
| 06:04.40 | Parthon | lots of different options there already |
| 06:04.55 | Parthon | I was thinking teleporting would be like an escape, but if it's for collection, that's pretty cool |
| 06:05.08 | A1win | yeah it'd be for escaping too |
| 06:05.11 | Parthon | the cooldown on change-away could be based on the skill |
| 06:05.23 | Parthon | like teleport, you could change to it, use it, and change away |
| 06:05.39 | Parthon | but something more rapid fire, the change away could take much longer |
| 06:05.42 | A1win | I'm thinking the teleport should be on its on cooldown |
| 06:05.52 | Parthon | or that too :D |
| 06:05.53 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 06:06.01 | Parthon | how many abilities would be stand alone though? |
| 06:06.12 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 06:06.17 | Parthon | like, only teleport? |
| 06:07.20 | A1win | one switchable ability in mouse1, one in mouse2, teleport as a separate ability that doesn't affect anything else, and possibly a third set of abilities that are on a shared cooldown, and have no target |
| 06:07.29 | A1win | like temporary shields and such |
| 06:08.26 | Parthon | ah awesome |
| 06:08.55 | Parthon | does sc2 still have the charges/recharge bug? |
| 06:09.02 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 06:09.13 | AlphA_VsT | what was that |
| 06:09.19 | A1win | if you mean the bug where it keeps the cooldown running at full charges, then yeah |
| 06:09.46 | Parthon | yeah, and if you use up all the charges after reaching max, they never recharge |
| 06:10.10 | AlphA_VsT | um |
| 06:10.10 | A1win | hmm dunno about that |
| 06:10.14 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 06:10.27 | AlphA_VsT | at least not for my map |
| 06:10.42 | A1win | my spider mines work just fine |
| 06:10.50 | AlphA_VsT | I have been using recharing abilities |
| 06:10.58 | AlphA_VsT | they never break |
| 06:12.08 | AlphA_VsT | but then I am also using triggers cause I have a cahnging recharge time :D |
| 06:12.45 | Mexa_ | Did they fix that mouse moved event can be triggered with a coordinate largen than 1600x1200 yet? |
| 06:12.52 | Parthon | yup, it's still broken |
| 06:13.02 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 06:13.03 | Mexa_ | bluh |
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| 06:13.26 | AlphA_VsT | why do my doodads play sounds when they are told not to |
| 06:13.50 | Technomancer | events? |
| 06:14.12 | Technomancer | check and compare their events to others that fire correctly? make sure u got the right reference on each one |
| 06:14.35 | AlphA_VsT | i set the thing on the dood to not play sound emitters |
| 06:14.39 | AlphA_VsT | doesnt do anything |
| 06:15.05 | AlphA_VsT | becasue I still have to stupid sound issue |
| 06:15.51 | Parthon | oh wait, it works now, some of my data values were wrong |
| 06:20.41 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 06:22.07 | Mexa_ | Time for bed, |
| 06:22.14 | Mexa_ | mornin'! |
| 06:22.41 | AlphA_VsT | LOL |
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| 06:24.03 | yttrium | don't you hate it when you're in the middle of an intense work session, lose focus, and totally forgot what you were doing? |
| 06:24.24 | AlphA_VsT | sure |
| 06:24.49 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't know. =D |
| 06:26.16 | Parthon | lets go ride bikes! |
| 06:26.18 | Technomancer | Jade doesn't dorp acid like you lol |
| 06:26.27 | Technomancer | drop* fuck, ruined my burn |
| 06:26.38 | Parthon | have you been dorping acid? :P |
| 06:26.52 | Technomancer | lol no....but let's coin that as a new word now |
| 06:27.23 | Technomancer | @Dorp to drop acid |
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| 06:27.38 | Technomancer | oh fuck its been a while, forgot Purl's commands >.< |
| 06:27.48 | Technomancer | Now I do look like ive been droppin acid |
| 06:27.51 | Technomancer | Hello Purl |
| 06:27.58 | Technomancer | Purl hello |
| 06:27.58 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 06:28.02 | Technomancer | there we go |
| 06:28.09 | Technomancer | Purl how are you doing? |
| 06:28.09 | purl | Technomancer: mas o menos |
| 06:28.23 | Technomancer | Purl Dorping |
| 06:28.28 | Parthon | how YOU doin? ;) |
| 06:28.37 | Technomancer | Purl help |
| 06:28.46 | Parthon | blah, have to patch d3 :( |
| 06:28.51 | Parthon | going to make lunch while I wait |
| 06:29.19 | A1win | haha, energy weapon sounds are easy to customize to fit my needs just by adjusting pitch of existing ones |
| 06:30.34 | JademusSreg | ~Technomancer |
| 06:30.34 | purl | technomancer is, like, known to dorp acid. |
| 06:31.42 | Technomancer | lol |
| 06:31.45 | Technomancer | nice |
| 06:31.48 | Technomancer | ~dorping |
| 06:31.48 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, dorping is the act of dropping acid! |
| 06:32.49 | Technomancer | hey yttrium |
| 06:32.51 | A1win | is there a skybox that has a black space below the map instead of brown? >.> |
| 06:32.55 | Technomancer | ~yttrium |
| 06:32.55 | purl | rumour has it, yttrium is that guy who dorps. YOU know what I mean ;P |
| 06:32.57 | yttrium | hey? |
| 06:32.57 | A1win | -a |
| 06:33.12 | Technomancer | purl has spoken! |
| 06:33.12 | purl | I didn't say that |
| 06:33.21 | Technomancer | yes you did, purl |
| 06:33.27 | Technomancer | shut up |
| 06:33.32 | Technomancer | and go clean my toilet |
| 06:33.35 | Parthon | rofl |
| 06:33.42 | Parthon | were they manually added, or automatic? |
| 06:33.46 | Technomancer | that beefy bean burrito aftermath wont clean itself! |
| 06:34.19 | yttrium | parth, you should see how far i've come, lol |
| 06:34.22 | JademusSreg | ~dorping |
| 06:34.23 | purl | rumour has it, dorping is the act of inserting something into one's rectum. |
| 06:35.08 | A1win | hmm arcade skyboxes... |
| 06:35.16 | A1win | where do I change it D: |
| 06:36.36 | Technomancer | That isn't what it means D: |
| 06:37.05 | A1win | found it... |
| 06:37.21 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 06:39.19 | Parthon | yttrium: nice :D |
| 06:39.43 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT here showed me how to get your "keep moving" problem down to 1 line of trigger :/ |
| 06:39.51 | yttrium | lol |
| 06:39.55 | Parthon | which avoided order conflicts |
| 06:39.59 | yttrium | I actually impletmented Jade's move system |
| 06:40.03 | yttrium | implemented* |
| 06:40.06 | Parthon | aaah neat |
| 06:40.12 | yttrium | did you take a look at it? |
| 06:40.17 | Parthon | yeah I did |
| 06:40.29 | Parthon | there was a bit of lag, but the system itself was very awesome |
| 06:40.35 | yttrium | Only improvement I made was enabled Y axis rotation too |
| 06:40.40 | yttrium | Lag? |
| 06:40.47 | yttrium | Maybe you have a bad computer... |
| 06:40.54 | yttrium | I got like 180fps in that demo, lol |
| 06:41.00 | yttrium | No input lag either |
| 06:43.13 | JademusSreg | The responsiveness is the highest possible. |
| 06:43.21 | JademusSreg | 16 updates per game second. |
| 06:43.51 | JademusSreg | That's the rate at which most things in the engine are updated. |
| 06:44.44 | JademusSreg | For instance, while missile positions are updated in 1/16 game second increments, missile trajectory visuals are updated in 1/32 game second increments. |
| 06:45.19 | JademusSreg | And while I could make the update thread run on a 1/32 game second period, it would be redundant. |
| 06:45.37 | Parthon | yttrium: are you talking about the camera following one? |
| 06:45.42 | yttrium | yeah |
| 06:45.51 | yttrium | moves straight infinitely based on camera angle |
| 06:46.35 | Parthon | yeah, it's as responsive as SC2 can be |
| 06:46.37 | JademusSreg | While the player can turn the camera at periods far more precise than 1/16 game second increments, the value of the native that returns the player's camera yaw only updates in 1/16 game second increments. |
| 06:47.10 | JademusSreg | Unfortunate, but such is the engine. |
| 06:47.11 | A1win | woah, this zeratul skybox is crazy, scrolls so fast x.x |
| 06:47.52 | A1win | maybe not the best skybox for a scene where everything is stationary |
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| 06:49.00 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 06:49.06 | A1win | grr why do they have these seams at the bottom of some skyboxes :< |
| 06:49.38 | A1win | any way I could turn a skybox upside down? |
| 06:50.20 | JademusSreg | Sadly, even 32 updates per game second (~44.8 updates per real second) isn't enough to make anything more as smoothly as one would like, as it amounts to 62.(2)% of the human vision update rate. So doing anything smoothly with dialogs is out of the question (units are a different matter, since UnitSetPosition has a blend bool parameter). |
| 06:50.21 | yttrium | so |
| 06:50.29 | yttrium | i set it to pick all units owned by player 1 at the beginning |
| 06:50.32 | JademusSreg | *move as smoothly |
| 06:50.34 | yttrium | label that as where to spawn segments |
| 06:50.45 | yttrium | and i'm able to collide with segments using my spawned unit |
| 06:50.53 | yttrium | err, collide with food |
| 06:51.02 | yttrium | but i can't figure out why they're attaching to my old unit instead of my new- |
| 06:51.11 | yttrium | oh, of course, derp, i forgot to delete my old unit |
| 06:51.17 | Parthon | JademusSreg: yeah, I find it's not so much the frame speed that matters |
| 06:55.36 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 07:04.33 | A1win | ahh found the SS_Background* models |
| 07:04.59 | JademusSreg | ~A1win |
| 07:05.21 | JademusSreg | I guess A1win hasn't been given a comical definition. =D |
| 07:05.39 | yttrium | anyone wanna test my map? |
| 07:05.46 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:06.15 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 07:06.18 | AlphA_VsT | muhahahaha |
| 07:06.54 | A1win | hmm... not sure if I want to show health bars on these units |
| 07:07.19 | A1win | but I might still want players to see each other's healths D: |
| 07:07.30 | Parthon | yttrium: which reg? |
| 07:07.39 | A1win | oh yeah can attach dialogs to 3D space... |
| 07:08.22 | yttrium | well, NA |
| 07:08.33 | yttrium | but i can upload it to a site if you want |
| 07:08.33 | Parthon | >_> |
| 07:08.37 | Parthon | okie dokie lokie! |
| 07:08.43 | yttrium | it's only 1 player right now |
| 07:08.47 | yttrium | haven't implemented more yet |
| 07:08.47 | Parthon | oh okay |
| 07:08.53 | Parthon | I only play multiplayer |
| 07:09.04 | yttrium | (trying to solidify one set of triggers, and then duplicate them) |
| 07:09.19 | yttrium | it has the basis for 12 |
| 07:09.23 | yttrium | but i just haven't had that much time yet lol |
| 07:09.24 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 07:09.40 | AlphA_VsT | you should design with multiuser in mind :D |
| 07:09.54 | AlphA_VsT | Not that hard really :D |
| 07:10.14 | yttrium | it is designed with multiuser |
| 07:10.26 | yttrium | it's a goddamn multiplayer arcade game, it's nothing with only one person |
| 07:10.30 | Parthon | it's harder to test multiplayer though |
| 07:10.33 | yttrium | that's like trying to play pong with one person |
| 07:10.35 | yttrium | exactly |
| 07:10.43 | Parthon | getting core mechanics working first is important |
| 07:10.43 | yttrium | i need to debug the systems first |
| 07:10.58 | yttrium | http://www.2shared.com/file/OIdGk9Es/ww_online.html |
| 07:11.21 | yttrium | before you ask, yes, i have permission for both songs to be included |
| 07:11.37 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/a/Screenshot2012-03-01%2009_09_40.jpg |
| 07:11.51 | yttrium | what is that? |
| 07:12.05 | A1win | I described an idea a while ago |
| 07:12.09 | A1win | scroll up D: |
| 07:13.32 | yttrium | oh, cool |
| 07:13.46 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 07:14.43 | yttrium | Parthon: some things are known to be broken atm, like sensor towers; those give you 10 seconds to eat archons (for 5 segments ea), and eggs (pick a random player of all 12 and slows them, sometimes it will slow you, if it says "You slowed !" that's because player 12 doesn't exist, working on that) |
| 07:14.56 | JademusSreg | Adorable/. |
| 07:15.06 | yttrium | hmm? |
| 07:15.14 | JademusSreg | The mothership pewpewing into space. |
| 07:15.20 | yttrium | oh lol |
| 07:15.42 | A1win | yeah my aim is a bit off :< |
| 07:15.49 | Parthon | yo mommaship so fat we had to put her in space! |
| 07:15.51 | A1win | also they don't collide yet |
| 07:16.43 | yttrium | You mommaship was so fat, she didn't fit in space! |
| 07:18.41 | yttrium | woop |
| 07:18.51 | yttrium | my mouse just died and i thought it was starcraft acting up, lol |
| 07:19.19 | A1win | hmm... maybe I should allow teleporting anywhere except too close to other ships, and have a short duration after teleport during which you can't protect yourself, so that teleporting right next to an enemy has a huge downside |
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| 07:20.22 | A1win | though then I'd need to show the playable area somehow... |
| 07:20.37 | A1win | if you could teleport only on certain objects, I wouldn't need to D: |
| 07:20.45 | A1win | but but... |
| 07:22.43 | Parthon | yttrium: interesting |
| 07:22.47 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you're got yourself in quite a pickle. A spicy, garlic pickle. |
| 07:22.52 | Parthon | there's a lot of potential there, but a lot of work still to be done |
| 07:23.07 | yttrium | it's come a long way in two days |
| 07:23.12 | Parthon | hells yeah |
| 07:23.12 | yttrium | but it's definitely far from done |
| 07:23.24 | Parthon | what's on the "to-do" table? |
| 07:24.01 | yttrium | finish ironing out bugs |
| 07:24.05 | yttrium | multiplayer |
| 07:24.08 | yttrium | better HUD |
| 07:24.13 | yttrium | minimap |
| 07:24.29 | yttrium | not sure from there |
| 07:24.36 | yttrium | probably more effects |
| 07:25.08 | yttrium | ex hitting the eggs (slow) makes the targeted worm get the fungal effect on them |
| 07:26.09 | yttrium | any other ideas? |
| 07:26.24 | Parthon | like, you die when you hit other worms yeah? |
| 07:26.28 | A1win | hmm... beacons might work for teleport targets |
| 07:26.31 | yttrium | actually |
| 07:26.35 | yttrium | it's smart when it comes to that |
| 07:26.40 | yttrium | if you hit their tail, you die |
| 07:26.44 | yttrium | if you both hit head-on, you both die |
| 07:26.54 | Parthon | yup |
| 07:27.04 | yttrium | considering making it so that the smaller one in a head-on collision dies, and the larger survives |
| 07:27.09 | Parthon | I was thinking a powerup that allows you to eat through another worms tail if you get trapped |
| 07:27.09 | yttrium | if they're vastly different |
| 07:27.15 | yttrium | hmmm |
| 07:27.34 | Parthon | there doesn't seem to be much you can do to stop a winning player at the moment |
| 07:27.43 | yttrium | cut them off? |
| 07:27.59 | Parthon | besides that :P |
| 07:28.02 | yttrium | ex. grab a speed boost |
| 07:28.09 | yttrium | and just run up next to them and cut them off |
| 07:28.52 | yttrium | i'll probably also make the leaderboard more elegant |
| 07:29.05 | Parthon | plus if you win, all your worm pieces should hatch zerglings that run all over the map and kill everything |
| 07:29.13 | yttrium | lol |
| 07:29.17 | yttrium | ...i could do that lol |
| 07:29.27 | yttrium | very simply actually |
| 07:32.36 | yttrium | oh man we gotta have fun here |
| 07:32.52 | yttrium | infested terran, broodlings, banelings, zerglings, roaches... |
| 07:32.54 | yttrium | so many choices... |
| 07:33.03 | Parthon | oh, and I feel the game should be like 50% faster, and the speed upgrade 100% |
| 07:33.10 | Parthon | so speed is good but also bad |
| 07:33.21 | yttrium | i can do that |
| 07:33.27 | yttrium | normal speed is 4 |
| 07:33.40 | yttrium | so make it 6 normal and 10 boost? |
| 07:33.48 | yttrium | 12 is crazy fast |
| 07:35.42 | Parthon | 6 and 12 :D |
| 07:35.48 | yttrium | lol |
| 07:35.54 | yttrium | i'll test the two =p |
| 07:36.18 | JademusSreg | What's the collision detection radius? |
| 07:36.30 | yttrium | for? |
| 07:36.36 | yttrium | it's different for every unit |
| 07:36.41 | Parthon | 14 gigamicrons |
| 07:36.52 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 07:36.58 | yttrium | for powerups and archons it's 2.5 |
| 07:37.14 | yttrium | for critters it's 1.5 |
| 07:37.19 | yttrium | and for segments, 0.8 |
| 07:37.21 | Parthon | damnit, I love that as a measure of unit now .. I must use it |
| 07:37.40 | JademusSreg | Anything smaller than that? |
| 07:37.44 | yttrium | did extensive segment testing, 0.8 ensures you can't slip through a line, but you also can't kill yourself on sharp turns |
| 07:37.47 | yttrium | nope |
| 07:37.52 | JademusSreg | Good. |
| 07:37.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:37.58 | yttrium | lol. |
| 07:38.21 | yttrium | i think it's also 0.8 for other worms. |
| 07:38.28 | yttrium | will need to adjust that when it goes multi. |
| 07:39.42 | JademusSreg | speedLimit = (radius*2)*(1/period)); radius = 0.8; period = 0.0625; (0.8*2)*(1/0.0625) = 25.6; |
| 07:40.04 | JademusSreg | So you can get pretty fast before it messes up. =D |
| 07:43.13 | yttrium | lol. |
| 07:43.22 | yttrium | i really wanna try going at 25 now. |
| 07:47.24 | Parthon | make that a bad one |
| 07:51.19 | Parthon | I'm thinking either make them go at 18 and die as a curse |
| 07:51.33 | Parthon | or the player gets a 2 second boost at 18 that makes them invincible and can go through stuff |
| 07:53.15 | yttrium | what the hell did i do |
| 07:53.20 | yttrium | i adjusted the speeds |
| 07:53.24 | yttrium | and now it doesn't register hits |
| 07:53.31 | yttrium | and i went back to the old speeds |
| 07:53.35 | yttrium | and it STILL doesn't register hits |
| 07:53.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:53.43 | AlphA_VsT | hahahahahahahaa |
| 07:53.46 | yttrium | seriously what the hell did i do |
| 07:53.58 | ________________ | you loved it 2 long time |
| 07:54.06 | ________________ | rage |
| 07:54.09 | ________________ | ops |
| 07:54.10 | ________________ | wrong |
| 07:54.11 | ________________ | window |
| 07:54.12 | ________________ | my bad |
| 07:54.15 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 07:54.18 | JademusSreg | That was perfect. |
| 07:54.31 | ________________ | Lol |
| 07:55.52 | yttrium | I did SOMETHING wrongh |
| 07:55.55 | yttrium | holy crap |
| 07:56.00 | yttrium | i tried it again |
| 07:56.08 | yttrium | i can only collide with +4 powerups |
| 07:56.24 | yttrium | and those have incorrect text for the powerup description |
| 07:56.33 | JademusSreg | (Anyway, if it had stopped working / started acting weird at speeds above 16, I would have concluded it was because of a disparity between unit position and the event register positioning.) |
| 07:56.43 | ________________ | just breaking things left and right i see |
| 07:57.01 | yttrium | fuck it: |
| 07:57.03 | yttrium | CONTROL Z |
| 07:58.30 | yttrium | ... |
| 07:58.32 | yttrium | i control z'd |
| 07:58.34 | yttrium | it's still fucked |
| 07:58.58 | ________________ | use the autobackup |
| 07:59.34 | yttrium | okay |
| 07:59.35 | yttrium | restarted sc2 |
| 07:59.40 | yttrium | text registers |
| 07:59.42 | yttrium | collisions work |
| 07:59.45 | yttrium | but segments aren't spawning |
| 08:00.32 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 08:00.36 | AlphA_VsT | I use dropbox |
| 08:00.40 | AlphA_VsT | auto backs ups :D |
| 08:00.42 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 08:01.14 | ________________ | is there any online source where i can store a partition of my computer? |
| 08:01.24 | ________________ | HD* excuse me |
| 08:03.18 | yttrium | restarting sc2 and the editor |
| 08:05.30 | Parthon | ________________: drop box? |
| 08:05.40 | ________________ | drop box is big enough? |
| 08:05.55 | A1win | depends on the size of your data D: |
| 08:06.05 | ________________ | hard drive sized |
| 08:06.15 | yttrium | well shit |
| 08:06.16 | A1win | drop box is like 2 GB or so |
| 08:06.17 | ________________ | about 400GB if i had to guess without looking |
| 08:06.23 | yttrium | the editor fucked up |
| 08:06.37 | ________________ | oh 546 actuall |
| 08:06.38 | A1win | 400 GB is quite a lot :P |
| 08:06.38 | ________________ | y |
| 08:06.52 | A1win | I'd suggest another hard drive |
| 08:07.05 | ________________ | ya, was hoping i could do it online 4 free ): |
| 08:07.14 | ________________ | but i guess if another HD is the only way |
| 08:07.18 | A1win | even if you could, it'd take days to upload |
| 08:07.19 | yttrium | that is bad |
| 08:07.21 | yttrium | very very bad |
| 08:07.25 | ________________ | im fine with that |
| 08:07.27 | yttrium | i just lost all progress since uploading it for you guys |
| 08:07.36 | ________________ | if anything i could take my comp to skool and use their connection |
| 08:07.39 | ________________ | its rediculously fast |
| 08:07.47 | yttrium | oh god i'm so glad i did that |
| 08:08.35 | A1win | a few blu-ray disks might do the trick but dunno how cheap that'd be |
| 08:08.38 | AlphA_VsT | drop box? |
| 08:08.46 | AlphA_VsT | i have a 20gb free dropbox account |
| 08:08.48 | ________________ | i might just go external HD |
| 08:09.24 | Parthon | yttrium: better that much rather than much more |
| 08:09.29 | AlphA_VsT | you can get a lot of free space on dropbox 0.o |
| 08:09.36 | A1win | AlphA_VsT, not 500 GB |
| 08:09.41 | yttrium | huh? |
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| 08:09.49 | AlphA_VsT | why would you need 500 gb? |
| 08:09.55 | Parthon | if you hadn't uploaded it, you could have lost it all |
| 08:10.08 | QueenG | hey guys |
| 08:10.10 | yttrium | yeah |
| 08:10.15 | yttrium | would have been terrible |
| 08:10.19 | yttrium | definitely enabling autobackup from now on |
| 08:10.27 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 08:10.32 | AlphA_VsT | i hate auto back up |
| 08:10.38 | ________________ | LOL u didnt have it on b4? |
| 08:10.40 | ________________ | o gawd |
| 08:10.41 | ________________ | y |
| 08:10.41 | AlphA_VsT | why i love dropbox :P |
| 08:10.52 | ________________ | useless, the editor has it built in |
| 08:10.52 | yttrium | under, i'm used to hitting ctrl+s |
| 08:10.55 | ________________ | why use an external source |
| 08:11.15 | AlphA_VsT | becasue every time i hit save I have a backup |
| 08:11.16 | yttrium | because with ctrl+s i decide when to save |
| 08:11.23 | yttrium | i expect it and i can do it right after something major |
| 08:11.24 | ________________ | thats pointless |
| 08:11.27 | ________________ | thats 2 many backups |
| 08:11.34 | ________________ | you will never sift through them all |
| 08:11.50 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 08:11.55 | A1win | that's not the point of backups |
| 08:12.18 | ________________ | im trying to see the point of as many backups as alpha would be making |
| 08:12.24 | A1win | the point is to have a BACKUP if something goes unexpectedly wrong, not to have an archive you know you'll need |
| 08:12.32 | AlphA_VsT | im not making them dropbox just stores them |
| 08:12.40 | ________________ | ya, and the editor does nice backups for you |
| 08:12.51 | ________________ | having a new 1 everytime u save seems excessive |
| 08:13.00 | AlphA_VsT | not really |
| 08:13.05 | A1win | having them on dropbox is a better backup than having them only on your computer |
| 08:13.05 | AlphA_VsT | when it costs you nothing |
| 08:13.29 | ________________ | hows dropbox better |
| 08:13.33 | A1win | o.O |
| 08:13.35 | ________________ | expecting ur hd to die soon? |
| 08:13.39 | A1win | because then it's in two places instead of one |
| 08:13.42 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 08:13.46 | A1win | not expecting |
| 08:13.53 | AlphA_VsT | becasue you know when you hd will die |
| 08:14.00 | ________________ | u can predict it |
| 08:14.02 | A1win | it's a safety mesure |
| 08:14.10 | AlphA_VsT | what about stolen? |
| 08:14.10 | A1win | *measure |
| 08:14.13 | ________________ | and so are monthly HD partitions |
| 08:14.21 | ________________ | stolen? are u using a laptop? |
| 08:14.25 | AlphA_VsT | or any other thing that could happen |
| 08:14.27 | ________________ | if ur not then i wouldnt worry about theft |
| 08:14.39 | AlphA_VsT | becasue someone cant break into your house? |
| 08:14.53 | A1win | it's not any extra trouble, so why not? |
| 08:15.02 | ________________ | if sum1 breaks into ur place |
| 08:15.03 | AlphA_VsT | exactly |
| 08:15.05 | ________________ | and u lose your HD |
| 08:15.10 | ________________ | im sure ull lose more than just that |
| 08:15.15 | A1win | o_O |
| 08:15.16 | AlphA_VsT | of course youwill |
| 08:15.18 | ________________ | and having a map backup will be the last thing on ur mind |
| 08:15.27 | A1win | but at leas you'll have that |
| 08:15.27 | A1win | :P |
| 08:15.31 | A1win | instead of nothing |
| 08:15.34 | ________________ | lol |
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| 08:15.37 | ________________ | ur funny |
| 08:15.40 | A1win | you are |
| 08:15.48 | ________________ | anyways, boring topic 2 argue ): |
| 08:15.55 | A1win | you know you're wrong! |
| 08:15.59 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 08:16.17 | A1win | besides we're 2 against one so you'll lose anyway even if you were right |
| 08:16.18 | ________________ | i dont care enough |
| 08:16.24 | A1win | :P |
| 08:16.34 | yttrium | alrighty |
| 08:16.38 | yttrium | set to 6, 3, and 10 |
| 08:16.43 | yttrium | that definitely works out well |
| 08:16.45 | yttrium | 10 is pretty fast |
| 08:16.49 | yttrium | but manageable |
| 08:17.03 | yttrium | if you aren't good with micro in starcraft normally, or have good reaction times, 10 will fuck you over |
| 08:17.10 | yttrium | which is good beause it should keep games going a little longer |
| 08:17.29 | yttrium | now that that's done |
| 08:17.34 | yttrium | i'm calling it a night |
| 08:17.44 | yttrium | so, night all! |
| 08:17.55 | ________________ | nite nite |
| 08:18.20 | Parthon | goodnight |
| 08:18.34 | Parthon | I should create an auto backup system |
| 08:18.39 | Parthon | there's heaps of stuff on here I'd hate to lose |
| 08:19.02 | A1win | anyway I don't have auto backup either, but I know I should have D: |
| 08:19.24 | AlphA_VsT | get dropbox parthon :D |
| 08:19.38 | Parthon | hehe |
| 08:19.45 | Parthon | what I would like is an auto-backup system |
| 08:19.52 | Parthon | because it's really only my documents and save files |
| 08:20.09 | ________________ | windows has it built in |
| 08:20.17 | ________________ | just get another hd |
| 08:20.23 | Parthon | I do, I have 3 |
| 08:20.27 | A1win | mmh I wonder how I'll spawn these beacons so that they aren't too close to players... |
| 08:20.41 | Parthon | using triggars? |
| 08:21.13 | A1win | maybe I should set up preset locations and check through them all, add only those to a list that don't have players too close, and then randomize one from that list |
| 08:21.17 | A1win | yeah |
| 08:22.57 | Parthon | you could use circular regions for that |
| 08:23.02 | A1win | mmh this arena is a circle, so I should probably calculate the preset positions circularly |
| 08:23.06 | Parthon | "if 0 players in region, make a beacon" |
| 08:23.22 | A1win | that's not the problem |
| 08:24.06 | A1win | I know the technical implementation, but it's the actual algorithm that I need to figure out |
| 08:24.24 | Parthon | what's the problem you are solving though? |
| 08:24.32 | Parthon | making beacons nowhere near other beacons or players? |
| 08:25.34 | A1win | the points where the beacons can spawn need to have an equal chance to spawn a beacon there and need to be symmetrically and evenly spread on the arena |
| 08:26.03 | Parthon | aah okay, that's pretty specific |
| 08:27.46 | A1win | I guess I'll do it with loops and some geometry |
| 08:30.09 | A1win | ...or I could just place them manually so that it looks good |
| 08:30.14 | JademusSreg | Sleep time. |
| 08:30.28 | RipperRoo | gn8 jade |
| 08:30.39 | ________________ | peace jades |
| 08:39.07 | A1win | something like this... not all of them visible at the same time: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/a/Screenshot2012-03-01%2010_38_16.jpg |
| 08:39.36 | A1win | not all = only a couple at a time |
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| 08:49.09 | A1win | meh might be better to allow warping anywhere and not to randomly appearing beacons |
| 08:49.22 | A1win | I just need a way to show the borders of the arena |
| 08:49.30 | A1win | without it looking too weird |
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| 08:50.21 | AlphA_VsT | create it with doodads? |
| 08:50.36 | A1win | what kind of doodads D: |
| 08:50.38 | A1win | it's in space |
| 08:50.59 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 08:51.02 | AlphA_VsT | idono |
| 08:52.13 | A1win | hmm... what about an UI overlay that darkens the unaccessible area o: |
| 08:52.41 | A1win | or even shows some kind of a border there |
| 08:52.42 | A1win | hmm |
| 09:04.14 | AlphA_VsT | maybe your best bet |
| 09:04.41 | AlphA_VsT | but have you also taken into account screen resolutions? |
| 09:04.56 | AlphA_VsT | if your cam doesnt move I wouldnt make it to close |
| 09:06.06 | A1win | it won't matter |
| 09:06.10 | A1win | it's centered |
| 09:06.18 | A1win | so wider screens just have more space at the sides |
| 09:12.56 | AlphA_VsT | yeah well if you zoom in to much you can cause the players without wide screens to not see part of the map |
| 09:29.41 | A1win | o_. |
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| 11:08.41 | A1win | mmh why isn't my autocast ability working :< |
| 11:09.19 | A1win | nevermind |
| 11:11.54 | A1win | hmm still not... gave it an effect that can target units but it isn't casting it xO |
| 11:12.26 | A1win | range is fine, arc is fine |
| 11:12.39 | A1win | auto cast and auto cast on flags are set |
| 11:12.46 | A1win | target filters match |
| 11:14.24 | A1win | execute button is set, unit has the ability |
| 11:14.55 | A1win | what am I missing D: |
| 11:16.02 | A1win | err except that I can't really use an ability because then it'd cast it too early because of increased radius... |
| 11:24.10 | A1win | oh yeah autocast abilities might require being on command card |
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| 13:50.19 | A1win | how can I create a beam from unit to unit with triggers D: |
| 13:52.47 | Ashamed_ | http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/02/24/147367644/six-legged-giant-finds-secret-hideaway-hides-for-80-years |
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| 14:10.07 | A1win | woo got it working |
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| 14:11.18 | A1win | hmm but not with void ray beam... it's set up in some different way than one-shot beams x.x |
| 14:11.26 | A1win | and I'm trying to make a continuous beam |
| 14:26.33 | A1win | gaah I hate these beam actors >.> |
| 14:26.55 | A1win | why can't I just tell it to create a beam from here to here D: |
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| 14:35.55 | A1win | now I got the void ray beam to show up, that was an animation issue... but still no idea how to make it continuous |
| 14:38.51 | A1win | <.< now it creates a new beam every 0.5 sec and the beam has a 0.5 sec timer to destroy itself =P |
| 14:41.28 | A1win | for some reason the impact site location jumps to the edge of the mothership sometimes even though the impact site ops is SOpAttachCenter |
| 14:50.36 | A1win | err maybe I should try replicating medic heal ability |
| 15:00.24 | A1win | except that there are some hardcoded checks to not allow casting a healer if the target has full life >.< |
| 15:00.37 | A1win | I mean if the healer has 0 recharge vitals rate |
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| 15:30.33 | Parthon | what are you trying to do? |
| 15:32.42 | A1win | I have a trigger setup where holding down right mouse button is supposed to create a beam from one unit to another, but I can't figure out how to keep the beam properly up until the button is released |
| 15:34.38 | Parthon | aaah okay |
| 16:00.51 | A1win | now I can get it to work by using a 0 damage effect >.> |
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| 16:04.26 | A1win | the site ops are still jumping... |
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| 16:50.16 | Eimtr | is there an alternative of Player Leaves The Game event? |
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| 16:59.09 | Ashamed | Ahhhh |
| 16:59.16 | Ashamed | when will i be accepted to gw2 beta >< |
| 17:03.37 | Parthon | the day after it comes out? :P |
| 17:04.07 | Parthon | hmm, finish map, or finish game? |
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| 17:34.10 | QueenG | hi guys |
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| 18:04.29 | QueenG | hi guys |
| 18:09.37 | QueenG | I want to submit a ticket to curse, does anyone know what curse forum version sc2mapster is running? |
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| 18:17.12 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 18:18.16 | QueenG | oh hey bounty |
| 18:18.39 | QueenG | I recognize your name, long time no see. |
| 18:18.47 | Bounty | Indeed |
| 18:18.56 | Bounty | I see you shortened your name |
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| 18:26.44 | Daara | good morning |
| 18:28.10 | QueenG | quick question, if I invite players in a party chat on sc2, will I be able to have chat moderator powers like channel kick? I cant experiment cuz all my friends stop playing =/ |
| 18:29.53 | QueenG | I am trying to create an ingame idling channel similar to wc3 where we were able to boot and kick players. This is a response to the bad public channels filled people getting away with profanity and immaturity |
| 18:30.41 | Daara | i'm not sure |
| 18:30.42 | Daara | i don't think so |
| 18:32.54 | QueenG | alrighty tanks Daara |
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| 18:35.15 | Mexa | Evenin' |
| 18:35.49 | equinox1911 | hihi |
| 18:36.48 | QueenG | Any Eu's online :) |
| 18:37.03 | QueenG | I heard that map night is still active in that region |
| 18:37.33 | equinox1911 | im EU |
| 18:38.23 | QueenG | hi equinox1911 |
| 18:38.59 | equinox1911 | hi queengambit (thats a guess^^) |
| 18:40.20 | QueenG | yes :) |
| 18:43.13 | equinox1911 | nice too meat you, i was a big fan of ds in the sc days |
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| 18:51.18 | Parthon | is bored |
| 18:51.18 | QueenG | nice |
| 18:51.33 | QueenG | I am actually looking for some map makers to help me make another DS map |
| 18:51.41 | Parthon | what was DS? |
| 18:52.52 | Bounty | its nexus wars with sand |
| 18:52.55 | Bounty | basically |
| 18:52.58 | QueenG | yup |
| 18:53.00 | QueenG | lol |
| 18:53.12 | Bounty | >< |
| 18:53.23 | Daara | desert strike |
| 18:53.25 | Daara | ? |
| 18:53.43 | Parthon | aah cool |
| 18:54.05 | QueenG | yes |
| 18:54.08 | Bounty | I plan to get my next map to the #1 spot on the popularity list =P |
| 18:54.15 | Bounty | So be on the lookout sons |
| 18:54.17 | equinox1911 | im making a new version of silo atm with a friend |
| 18:54.20 | Daara | you'll have settle for #2 |
| 18:54.28 | Daara | cause i'll be taking #1 :P |
| 18:54.34 | Bounty | psh |
| 18:54.35 | equinox1911 | #3 :D |
| 18:54.46 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.50 | QueenG | well im glad to see compliments, I was extremely reluctant to mention it |
| 18:54.57 | Parthon | Bounty: same here :P |
| 18:55.04 | Bounty | well then |
| 18:55.10 | QueenG | i know how some of you mappers hate pop maps like nexus wars :P |
| 18:55.13 | Parthon | I keep coming up with ideas that I can't impliment .. damnit |
| 18:55.18 | Bounty | Gonna be a shooowwdowwwn |
| 18:55.22 | Daara | i don't mind them |
| 18:55.29 | Daara | i just think they get boring after awhile |
| 18:55.36 | Bounty | I hate them actually lol |
| 18:55.38 | Daara | i like a variety of games |
| 18:55.38 | equinox1911 | pop maps are good , they show you what works |
| 18:55.46 | Bounty | lol? |
| 18:55.48 | equinox1911 | and what peeps dont like about them |
| 18:55.54 | Bounty | they are basic as hell, of course they work |
| 18:56.00 | Bounty | they were good and relevant a year ago |
| 18:56.06 | Bounty | but there are far better maps out there now |
| 18:56.13 | Daara | simple is popular |
| 18:56.14 | Parthon | I like ship battle and mineralz though |
| 18:56.16 | equinox1911 | well , they are easy to play ,yes |
| 18:56.18 | Daara | just look at pobes vs zeelots |
| 18:56.21 | Parthon | star battle* |
| 18:56.23 | equinox1911 | but hard too master, normally |
| 18:56.28 | Bounty | which is why my next map shall be noomber ooonne |
| 18:56.32 | Bounty | one button controls |
| 18:56.36 | Bounty | which means |
| 18:56.38 | Bounty | number 1 map |
| 18:56.40 | Bounty | =P |
| 18:56.48 | equinox1911 | sounds like an I app |
| 18:56.48 | Daara | the more simple your map is the more popular it is :P |
| 18:56.58 | Parthon | hmmm |
| 18:57.07 | Bounty | its the first non lagging shooter |
| 18:57.10 | Bounty | no wasd |
| 18:57.19 | Bounty | the first that i know of atleast |
| 18:57.20 | Daara | is trifaction still on b.net? |
| 18:57.24 | Bounty | yeah |
| 18:57.26 | QueenG | naaambar wan Bounty? |
| 18:57.32 | Bounty | no |
| 18:57.33 | QueenG | impossibre |
| 18:57.36 | Bounty | nooombar wun |
| 18:57.36 | Mexa | wasd isn't any less "laggier" than standard issue order commands |
| 18:57.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:57.48 | Bounty | yes it is |
| 18:57.53 | Parthon | this is a tricky one, I want the player to only be able to set 1 out of 3 skills to be autocast |
| 18:57.54 | Mexa | If you don't believe that still, then play Smashcraft and you'll see. |
| 18:57.56 | Bounty | dont u start mexa =P |
| 18:58.02 | Bounty | mexa |
| 18:58.07 | Mexa | Bounty |
| 18:58.11 | Bounty | smart click = the best response time u can get on bnet |
| 18:58.16 | Bounty | thats what im using |
| 18:58.30 | Mexa | Practically no difference. |
| 18:58.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:58.36 | Bounty | ok |
| 18:58.38 | Daara | ~dance |
| 18:58.38 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 18:58.41 | Daara | thx purl |
| 18:58.42 | Bounty | ask JademusSreg next time hes here |
| 18:58.53 | Mexa | I don't need to. |
| 18:59.05 | Bounty | i sense that you're just trying to start with me |
| 18:59.06 | Daara | bounty |
| 18:59.09 | Mexa | I know that triggers are syncronized and command orders are not. |
| 18:59.10 | Bounty | bc when i make a WASD map |
| 18:59.11 | Daara | how big was your dependancy for trifcation |
| 18:59.14 | Bounty | u complain about WASD |
| 18:59.19 | Bounty | now that my map isnt WASD |
| 18:59.22 | Bounty | ur flipping |
| 18:59.29 | Bounty | like 20mb Daara |
| 18:59.35 | Mexa | I have never complained about you having a map with wasd Bounty. |
| 18:59.37 | Bounty | TriFaction is about 35-40mb total |
| 18:59.37 | Daara | k, didn't take that long to dl |
| 18:59.44 | Daara | mines gonna be like 100 mbs |
| 18:59.55 | Daara | but the map itself is going to be less than 1 mb |
| 19:00.04 | Bounty | if u were on US i could proove it to u right now Mexa |
| 19:00.05 | Daara | so subsequent dl's won't take long |
| 19:00.09 | Bounty | i figured it was common sense |
| 19:00.16 | Mexa | .. nor did I say that wasd was any better than issue commands. |
| 19:00.16 | Bounty | Smart Click dominates any other form of input on bnet |
| 19:00.47 | Mexa | It does. But if you go and play Smashcraft or something, you'll understand what I am meaning. |
| 19:00.57 | Bounty | yeah ur talking about abilities |
| 19:00.59 | Ahli | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=yo+dawg |
| 19:01.06 | Mexa | Ah yes, perhaps |
| 19:01.21 | Bounty | but smashcraft has more than the average ability lag |
| 19:01.24 | Bounty | idk why |
| 19:01.31 | Bounty | i think he uses triggers for some of them |
| 19:01.32 | Mexa | Though, I recall rightclicking on the ground in Mephs map having a noticable dely. |
| 19:01.36 | Mexa | *delay |
| 19:01.48 | Bounty | ok but go play a game like |
| 19:01.54 | Bounty | sotis or hero attack |
| 19:02.01 | Bounty | its less than smashcrafts |
| 19:02.05 | Bounty | idk why smashcraft lagged |
| 19:02.09 | Bounty | im sure mephs could have fixed it |
| 19:02.25 | Mexa | Probably. |
| 19:02.32 | Bounty | bc smashcraft is the only map i know of that got complaints about delay |
| 19:02.36 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 19:02.37 | Bounty | without using keypress lol |
| 19:02.43 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:03.03 | Mexa | Interesting then. |
| 19:03.09 | JademusSreg | I'd argue Smashcraft is probably the best map on battlenet. |
| 19:03.16 | Bounty | I've decided on teh official game modes for the map JademusSreg |
| 19:03.28 | Bounty | FFA Deathmatch and KILL PHIL mode |
| 19:03.31 | Bounty | =P |
| 19:03.50 | JademusSreg | Kill Phil? |
| 19:03.54 | Bounty | mmhmm |
| 19:04.24 | Bounty | i think itll end up being more fun than deathmatch |
| 19:05.19 | Bounty | I think im gonna try to get the game playable rather than fine detail the terrain |
| 19:05.32 | Bounty | only got 2 spots left to terrain, im gonna do the little details later |
| 19:05.37 | Bounty | i wanna see how this plays out lol |
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| 19:12.17 | Parthon | so many small problems |
| 19:12.17 | Parthon | I have an ability on autocast, that calls an effect to order a unit to train, it works great, but I can't get the cost of the unit to show up on the ability |
| 19:12.35 | QueenG | love smashcraft, it has BlazeBlue sounds |
| 19:13.29 | Mexa | That's not a good key feature. |
| 19:13.33 | JademusSreg | That is the worst reason to like it. |
| 19:13.50 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: http://wondermark.com/c/2012-03-01-805evil2.gif |
| 19:15.00 | Mexa | Hm, what:P? |
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| 19:20.48 | QueenG | hey Sixen! |
| 19:21.42 | Parthon | well this is confusing |
| 19:21.50 | Parthon | I made a behavior attribute |
| 19:22.07 | Parthon | then on another behavior tried to add that attribute, and it's not in the list |
| 19:22.40 | Mexa | What's this? http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3780043/New_Blizzard_Custom_Game_StarCraft_Master_-01_03_2012 |
| 19:23.35 | Kueken | oh did they finally decide to finish it? |
| 19:23.51 | Kueken | an unfinished version of that map lies dorment in the game files since beta |
| 19:24.21 | Mexa | Ah yeah, I recall I've seen it now when you say it. |
| 19:25.20 | JademusSreg | TSimulation |
| 19:25.23 | Kueken | parthon: did you check "defines default value" or something? |
| 19:25.54 | Parthon | nopes |
| 19:25.56 | Parthon | I'll recreate it |
| 19:26.27 | Parthon | okay, now it appears .. that was so odd |
| 19:38.14 | Parthon | what does defines default value actually do? |
| 19:38.18 | Parthon | I've never used it |
| 19:39.24 | Kueken | you can use it to sort of define a template |
| 19:39.30 | Kueken | with some values set |
| 19:39.42 | Kueken | it doesnt show up in the list |
| 19:39.51 | Mexa | http://i.imgur.com/RdTNv.png |
| 19:39.53 | Kueken | but you can use it as a base for new objects |
| 19:40.11 | Parthon | aah okay, but it's not an object in itself? |
| 19:40.26 | Kueken | it is an actual object |
| 19:40.51 | Kueken | but it doesnt show up in the list |
| 19:41.00 | Parthon | O_o |
| 19:41.01 | Kueken | you could spawn it via trigger, though |
| 19:41.07 | Parthon | aah okay |
| 19:41.26 | Kueken | usually, those objects dont function on their own |
| 19:42.03 | Kueken | if you, for example, know, that you need 30 different units, and all of them should have 100 hitpoints |
| 19:42.09 | Parthon | yeah, they are used as bases for other objects |
| 19:42.19 | Kueken | you can create a base object with 100 hp |
| 19:42.27 | Kueken | and base all other units on this base |
| 19:42.39 | Kueken | if you then decide you need 200 hp instead |
| 19:42.47 | Kueken | you just need to change the base object |
| 19:42.50 | Parthon | only need to change one value, not 30 |
| 19:43.12 | Kueken | exactly |
| 19:43.13 | Kueken | but |
| 19:43.25 | Kueken | the base unit for example does not need to have an actor |
| 19:43.34 | Kueken | because it never appears on the map usually |
| 19:43.41 | Kueken | so by itself, it cannot function |
| 19:43.46 | Parthon | yup |
| 19:43.54 | Parthon | if you never see it, no need for actor |
| 19:44.01 | Parthon | see/hear/taste etc |
| 19:44.36 | Kueken | update in hots |
| 19:44.44 | Kueken | added a taste field to actors |
| 19:44.58 | Kueken | lick your monitor to experience it |
| 19:45.27 | RipperRooX | hmm i didnt feel anything :S |
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| 19:45.45 | Kueken | dude |
| 19:45.54 | Kueken | hots wasn't released yet |
| 19:45.56 | Kueken | :D |
| 19:45.59 | RipperRooX | ah shit :D |
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| 19:46.42 | QueenG_ | back equinox1911 |
| 19:46.50 | RipperRooX | nvm now the dead flies are washed away :) |
| 19:47.07 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 19:47.24 | Daara_ | bouty |
| 19:47.26 | Daara_ | bounty |
| 19:47.32 | Daara_ | how the hell do you build structures with imps? |
| 19:47.32 | RipperRooX | jade awaken? |
| 19:47.39 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:47.44 | RipperRooX | (20:47:20) (Daara_) bounty |
| 19:47.44 | RipperRooX | (20:47:25) quit: (Bounty) (442ccc3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.44.204.59) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 19:47.47 | RipperRooX | epic |
| 19:48.05 | RipperRooX | 20:47:41) (RipperRooX) epic |
| 19:48.05 | RipperRooX | (20:47:50) quit: (Daara) (62a8c8e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.168.200.226) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 19:48.08 | RipperRooX | even more epic ^^ |
| 19:48.17 | Parthon | lol |
| 19:48.19 | Parthon | web die? |
| 19:48.22 | Mexa_ | looks like not only me had issues with the webchat |
| 19:48.28 | RipperRooX | everyone quits when im talking WTF |
| 19:48.34 | Parthon | haha |
| 19:48.41 | Parthon | you broke the webchat RipperRooX |
| 19:48.41 | equinox1911_ | hihi |
| 19:48.53 | Parthon | I have a bunch of hardish goals to impliment tomorrow :P |
| 19:48.54 | RipperRooX | lol :( |
| 19:49.11 | RipperRooX | im feel so guilty parthon :( |
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| 19:49.28 | Parthon | blame Kueken .. he told everyone to lick their monitors |
| 19:49.37 | Kueken | hard-ish goal #1: Catch a fly with chopsticks. |
| 19:49.41 | Mexa_ | Oh yeah, that was the last thing I saw actually:P |
| 19:49.41 | QueenG_ | lol parthon |
| 19:50.18 | JademusSreg | ~Mexa |
| 19:50.18 | purl | mexa is, like, a lagomorph. |
| 19:50.27 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:50.27 | Parthon | hardish goal: make it so that a unit producing building products only 1 unit and not another one until that unit dies |
| 19:50.30 | Parthon | without triggers |
| 19:50.31 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 19:50.48 | Kueken | doesn't sound that hard |
| 19:51.13 | JademusSreg | Does it need to be multi unit instancable? |
| 19:51.34 | Parthon | one unit per building, multiple buildings, so yes |
| 19:51.41 | RipperRooX | isnt that easy doable with behaviours ? :S |
| 19:51.57 | Kueken | I think so |
| 19:52.05 | JademusSreg | Then requirements won't work; it would count all the player's units. |
| 19:52.08 | Parthon | yup, I'm just not quite sure how to go about it |
| 19:52.55 | Kueken | apply behaviors to building and unit, add remove behavior effect to the final effect of the unit behavior, which removes the building behavior from caster |
| 19:53.03 | RipperRooX | hardish goal: force kueken to do all my spells for my map without any thread or violence ! |
| 19:53.15 | Kueken | requirement to check for building behavior |
| 19:53.29 | Kueken | done, if I didnt forget anything |
| 19:54.03 | Kueken | you could pay me :-* |
| 19:54.17 | Parthon | RipperRooX: any complicated spells? |
| 19:54.18 | RipperRooX | *or payment |
| 19:54.22 | Kueken | :D |
| 19:54.26 | Parthon | Kueken: that would work, I'm going to write it down |
| 19:54.52 | RipperRooX | parthon not so far.. because im like pre alpha status *lol* but in the final version i ll hope i have the idea for some complicated ones :D |
| 19:55.19 | RipperRooX | just like the details in spells which kueken does |
| 19:55.19 | Kueken | you set the wrong goals ripper |
| 19:55.21 | Parthon | RipperRooX: I'm getting quite adept at using the editor, so anything challenging is a learning experience for me at the moment :P |
| 19:55.34 | Kueken | not "how do i make kueken do all my spells" |
| 19:55.54 | Kueken | try "how do I make my spells better than kueken's" |
| 19:55.55 | RipperRooX | "how can i force kueken to teach me how to do the spells" :D |
| 19:55.56 | Parthon | Kueken: set "has unit" on building, set "remove has unit on caster" on unit, validator "count has unit <= 0" for the autocast |
| 19:56.23 | Parthon | I mean "remove has unit on caster when behaviour ends" on unit :P |
| 19:56.25 | Kueken | wait |
| 19:56.27 | RipperRooX | parthon ok :D ill remind u when i need help^^ |
| 19:56.28 | Kueken | what autocast? |
| 19:56.36 | Parthon | for training the next unit |
| 19:56.40 | Kueken | ah |
| 19:56.47 | Kueken | yes, that would work as well |
| 19:56.52 | Parthon | and a requirement for the ability too |
| 19:57.04 | Kueken | I thought of a requirement for the actual training, but shouldn't make a difference |
| 19:57.49 | Parthon | yeah, I have two abilities |
| 19:58.05 | Parthon | one for the autocast, which casts an issue order effect to train the unit |
| 19:58.07 | Parthon | and train unit |
| 19:59.12 | Parthon | okay, I'll work on it tomorrow, goodnight everyone |
| 19:59.45 | Parthon | Kueken: that solution also works well for a different count of units per building :D |
| 20:00.12 | Kueken | in theory, yes ;) |
| 20:00.43 | Kueken | but don't celebrate yet, the editor has a habit of breaking stuff, which works in theory |
| 20:02.58 | Parthon | yeah |
| 20:03.03 | Parthon | that's for tomorrow though :D |
| 20:03.06 | Parthon | bye |
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| 20:28.41 | yttrium | Hey, Jade, you there? |
| 20:28.59 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:30.04 | yttrium | Is there any way to lock the camera angles? |
| 20:30.10 | yttrium | As in, make it so you can't rotate them too far? |
| 20:30.41 | JademusSreg | I've never managed to accomplish that. |
| 20:30.49 | yttrium | Hmph. |
| 20:31.13 | JademusSreg | I take it you, too, don't like Pitch being able to spin to see under the ground? Haha |
| 20:31.17 | yttrium | Is there at least any way to make the pitch not rotate me into the- |
| 20:31.20 | yttrium | ...Exactly. |
| 20:31.31 | JademusSreg | Nope, not as far as I am aware. |
| 20:31.35 | yttrium | I find it easy to avoid |
| 20:31.36 | JademusSreg | That's why I lock it. |
| 20:31.46 | yttrium | But I was demoing this game for someone today, and they couldn't stay out of the ground |
| 20:31.52 | Ashamed | >< |
| 20:32.07 | yttrium | It was their first time though, so I'm sure they could get used to it |
| 20:32.08 | yttrium | Oh well |
| 20:32.14 | yttrium | Also, I tested it on bnet- |
| 20:32.15 | Ashamed | i thought you could detect camera yew. |
| 20:32.18 | yttrium | there is actually a little bit of lag |
| 20:32.21 | JademusSreg | *yaw |
| 20:32.24 | Ashamed | uaw* |
| 20:32.25 | JademusSreg | Yew is a kind of tree. |
| 20:32.30 | Ashamed | yaw* |
| 20:32.43 | yttrium | so much in fact |
| 20:32.44 | Ashamed | your a kind of tree |
| 20:32.49 | yttrium | that it doesn't permit sharp turns |
| 20:32.57 | yttrium | it smooths it out, no matter how far my camera rotates |
| 20:33.01 | Ashamed | i would believe there would be a way to detect the yaw when it gets that low or something |
| 20:33.08 | yttrium | the unit can not keep up with the camera's rotation |
| 20:33.10 | JademusSreg | There is a minimum of 250 ms latency on battlenet. |
| 20:33.13 | yttrium | when it does fine offline |
| 20:33.24 | yttrium | ...Seriously Blizzard? |
| 20:33.26 | yttrium | Seriously? |
| 20:33.33 | yttrium | Sigh. |
| 20:33.34 | JademusSreg | No joke. |
| 20:33.46 | yttrium | Oh, I believe you - but shame on Blizz. |
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| 20:34.11 | QueenG_ | thats a lot |
| 20:34.15 | QueenG_ | lol |
| 20:34.27 | yttrium | If it was 100ms I would say "okay, whatever" |
| 20:34.30 | yttrium | But 250ms... |
| 20:35.40 | JademusSreg | It's intended to not give anyone with a good connection a de facto advantage in melee gameplay, and to permit a bit of tolerance in connection speeds. If a client's latency exceeds 250ms, it slows down the game for everyone, and if it exceeds it further, it threatens to drop the player. |
| 20:36.14 | QueenG_ | crazy |
| 20:36.15 | Kueken | just like SC1 and WC3 had |
| 20:36.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:36.27 | Kueken | but at least they also had a Lan mode |
| 20:36.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:36.32 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:36.35 | QueenG_ | lol |
| 20:36.51 | yttrium | Speaking of WC3... |
| 20:36.57 | yttrium | I actually have the WC3 editor open right now |
| 20:37.01 | yttrium | We've come a long way... lol |
| 20:37.22 | yttrium | I was pulling the .wav clips out of WormWar.w3x |
| 20:37.36 | yttrium | Hoping to maybe implement some of them in mine |
| 20:37.47 | yttrium | "whoooopsieeee" |
| 20:40.12 | Kueken | reminds me of when I downloaded red alert 2, just to export the original tesla coil sound for a data exercise :D |
| 20:40.25 | QueenG_ | thats a fun game |
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| 20:41.14 | JademusSreg | Back in the day, I ported over the SC1 Marine into RA2, and had them paradrop into the field. They were op. |
| 20:42.45 | Ashamed | sc1 marines suck |
| 20:42.46 | Eimtr | so many things with BANKS work in bnet.. and i waste day after day testing offline thinking they dont |
| 20:42.52 | RipperRooX | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GaoLU6zKaws i lold^^ |
| 20:43.18 | Ashamed | i have never came accross that issue ripper lol >< that sucks |
| 20:43.43 | RipperRooX | huh ? XD |
| 20:43.45 | Kueken | heh |
| 20:43.54 | Kueken | marines are even op in other games |
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| 20:44.24 | Kueken | should make a marine marauder level in Diablo 3 |
| 20:44.25 | RipperRooX | ashamed u will probably someday :D |
| 20:44.29 | Kueken | to replace cow level |
| 20:44.49 | Ashamed | nah i dont play sc2 |
| 20:47.18 | QueenG_ | come play Minecraft on my server, Ashamed :) |
| 20:47.43 | QueenG_ | anywho, im jealous for those that got the beta for D3, I cannot wait for that game |
| 20:47.51 | QueenG_ | beta key* |
| 20:48.29 | A1win | don't be too jealous, there's not much to see in the beta :P |
| 20:48.41 | A1win | if anything it'd just make you wait for the game even more |
| 20:48.50 | A1win | like it did for me <.< |
| 20:49.18 | QueenG_ | yea lol |
| 20:50.21 | JademusSreg | I almost never purchase a game without playing a demo or having an illicit "test copy", so in the unlikely event I would purchase Diablo 3, it would be contingent on my beta or demo experience. |
| 20:51.07 | Ashamed | i dont think d3 will be good. |
| 20:51.14 | A1win | you think wrong! |
| 20:51.30 | Ashamed | nah |
| 20:52.10 | Ashamed | i want to play a game with 6 spells.... |
| 20:52.31 | JademusSreg | I expect it will be of exceptional quality, as is par for the Blizzard course. But exceptional quality doesn't necessarily make it a game I want to play. |
| 20:52.31 | Deaod | actually, i think Blizzard reduced the update interval to every 150 ms |
| 20:52.50 | Deaod | wasnt there an update during beta that did that? |
| 20:53.02 | JademusSreg | Not of which I am aware, Deaod. |
| 20:53.08 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 20:53.27 | JademusSreg | If you can find some documentation to that effect, it would be nice. =D |
| 20:53.31 | A1win | Ashamed, that makes it sound like there's not much depth to the spells themselves |
| 20:53.52 | A1win | I wouldn't want to play WoW if it had only 6 skills available at a time |
| 20:54.00 | A1win | well.. wouldn't have wanted to |
| 20:54.26 | Ashamed | that is d3 |
| 20:54.49 | A1win | it's very different from WoW |
| 20:56.17 | A1win | there's more emphasis on environment and how enemies are positioned in it, in WoW it's almost purely about numbers and sometimes distances |
| 20:56.38 | Deaod | maybe i was dreaming |
| 20:56.40 | A1win | err that number comment was weird, I didn't mean it like that |
| 20:56.56 | A1win | falling asleep |
| 20:57.38 | A1win | I meant that in WoW it didn't matter whether the enemies were positioned so that some are behind you and some in front of you, because you'd just walk through them and they'd all be in front of you again |
| 20:57.55 | A1win | but in diablo it actually matters which direction the enemies are in |
| 20:58.22 | Deaod | http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Beta_Patch_Notes#StarCraft_II_Beta_.E2.80.93_Patch_13_.28version_0.15.0.15449.29 |
| 20:58.28 | Deaod | they did enable UDP during beta |
| 20:58.32 | Deaod | whatever that means |
| 20:58.37 | A1win | that's a simple difference but makes everything very different because all the skills are designed with that in mind |
| 20:59.25 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol ? |
| 20:59.43 | Deaod | yes |
| 21:00.18 | Deaod | in WC3 LAN play uses UDP |
| 21:00.27 | Deaod | and has a world update delay of 100ms |
| 21:02.10 | yttrium | it is important to note that UDP in SC2 only enabled better performance if all players in a game were on the same network |
| 21:02.32 | Deaod | admittedly, its quite a bit of extrapolation on my part |
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| 21:34.02 | Mexa_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9NF2edxy-M |
| 21:34.30 | Mexa_ | Neat cover, and they also share the same guitar when playing:> |
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| 21:45.31 | Darren | Yo Humanoids. |
| 21:45.56 | Mexa_ | helo moto |
| 21:48.41 | Eimtr | can any1 tell me... how can I detect if a player leaves, is 'A player leave with Defeat' the same as pressing alt+F4, alt+qq.. |
| 21:48.51 | Darren | Do this: |
| 21:48.58 | Darren | Pick each player in (Active players) |
| 21:49.08 | Darren | That will result in those, the game can actually "ping" |
| 21:49.27 | Darren | There should be a win "any player leaves the game with any Win/defeat" trigger event |
| 21:49.47 | Eimtr | yes, so far I made what happens with Victory al lworks |
| 21:49.58 | Ahli | player elaves with "any" works for that afaIk |
| 21:50.16 | Eimtr | but I forgot to make if player leaves during the gmae |
| 21:50.17 | Darren | There's an event called: |
| 21:50.17 | Eimtr | yeah but Any includes VIctory, so I got to skip that I guess |
| 21:50.27 | Ahli | can't you check how he left? |
| 21:50.49 | Eimtr | is there a Condition that checks it? i didnt see one |
| 21:50.53 | Darren | Event: Player - Player Any Player leaves the game with Victory |
| 21:50.56 | Darren | Yes |
| 21:50.56 | Ahli | I check it out now ;D |
| 21:51.00 | Darren | Status of player == Active |
| 21:51.04 | Darren | Status of player == left |
| 21:51.41 | Darren | Check the condition called "status of player" |
| 21:51.44 | Eimtr | And if it is active, it will work as if he's ingame> |
| 21:51.50 | Eimtr | cause ive seen difference |
| 21:52.00 | Eimtr | if winner continues after victory dialog and |
| 21:52.07 | Eimtr | if he quits with victory |
| 21:52.09 | Darren | Check this: |
| 21:52.15 | Eimtr | he doesnt become active if he quits on victory |
| 21:52.15 | Ahli | oh wow, there is a license check. |
| 21:52.23 | Darren | Condition: (Status of player 1) == Left The Game |
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| 21:53.21 | Darren | Anyway a question of my own! .. I'm using a trigger to set a unit to unselectable, uncommandable, untargetable, everything to make it appear but not be interactable in any way. Is there any of this I could do in the data editor with flags, to avoid the triggers. |
| 21:53.30 | Ahli | or just use 3 triggers and add a value in a global array. then use one of these events with a wait and then check how he left... |
| 21:53.44 | Ahli | check how he left == check array value |
| 21:54.35 | Eimtr | ok thanks, maybe i will just add a new trigger with Defeat, cause like i said - a player victory may be inactive if he quits on Victory and the triggers may add for him as well as for all who left |
| 21:54.37 | Darren | But there's an event for player leaving, AND there's a condition checking the status of the player. |
| 21:55.03 | Darren | Ahli you got any insight on my question above? |
| 21:55.21 | Ahli | no, I don't know how fast the status is set. :S |
| 21:55.42 | Eimtr | thats what I think that if I check with COndition, if player leaves on VIctory, he will also be counted as left the game, but no worries, i will try smth and ask again thankls |
| 21:56.26 | Darren | A theory question: |
| 21:56.49 | Darren | Does a local variable also apply to the condition, or is the condition evaluated before the local variable are read? E.g. can I use a local variable in a condition of a trigger. |
| 21:56.59 | Mexa_ | JademusSreg? |
| 21:57.21 | Ahli | local variables apply to the condition |
| 21:58.33 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:58.48 | Ahli | I'm using that often to store (TriggeringPlayer-1) in a variable and then I'm checking some array values of the player in the condition |
| 21:59.02 | Mexa_ | Remember how the visibility of fog of war/black mask is supposingly not working correctly? |
| 21:59.14 | Mexa_ | Or rather, black mask seems to do nothing |
| 21:59.22 | Mexa_ | or the other way around. |
| 21:59.24 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 21:59.31 | Mexa_ | One of them does nothing |
| 21:59.33 | Mexa_ | there |
| 21:59.43 | Mexa_ | Thre's fog of war, and then there's black mask |
| 21:59.50 | Darren | What's the best way to reveal entire map permanently for players. Without having to do a really long reveal for x seconds, or using the when unit is in entire map, reveal entire map. |
| 21:59.51 | Ahli | Darren, you can set the unit type in the data editor to these things with the flags. Else you can add a behavior to the unit to achieve that. |
| 22:00.05 | Mexa_ | I don't remember which one, but there's one of them which does nothing at all |
| 22:00.15 | JademusSreg | Darren: VisRevealArea(player,visionArea,0,false); |
| 22:00.42 | JademusSreg | Basically, reveal area with a duration of 0. |
| 22:00.50 | Mexa_ | I'd say disable fog of war, not reveal area. |
| 22:01.33 | Mexa_ | Jademus, anyways, black mask does nothing, if I recall it correctly. |
| 22:01.50 | Ahli | 0 didn't work if I remember correctly... I remember that I used -1 for that |
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| 22:02.19 | Mexa_ | Now, anyways, could it be that the reason for this not working is due to the fact that you manually need to set it up using fog of war data? |
| 22:02.20 | JademusSreg | Ahli, it works. |
| 22:02.51 | Ahli | oh k. but I remember there was something that didn't work with 0... but I can only remember behaviors now |
| 22:03.49 | Ahli | it's more than 1.5 years ago when I needed to reveal the whole map forever... :D my memory can't memorize everything that isn't important... only most. |
| 22:06.04 | AlphA_VsT | so hungry :D |
| 22:06.35 | yttrium | Does SC2 allow for PNG loading screens? |
| 22:06.37 | yttrium | Or only TGA? |
| 22:07.23 | Daara_ | dds are best |
| 22:07.26 | Ahli | just use dds :o |
| 22:07.54 | Mexa_ | Was I not clear, Jademus? |
| 22:07.58 | Mexa_ | :| |
| 22:08.29 | Ahli | paint.net + plugin is free and super easy to use to convert images. just make sure your image has dimensions of multiples of 4. |
| 22:09.09 | Ahli | and in difference to gimp it doesn't screw with the picture to much (it doesn't add half random squares into the picture) |
| 22:09.09 | JademusSreg | I am not clear on what you're attempting to communicate, Mexa. |
| 22:10.16 | AlphA_VsT | black mask? just doesnt let you see anything... |
| 22:10.17 | Mexa_ | Jademus, well, this: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2222192226 at the issue regarding VisEnable |
| 22:10.41 | Mexa_ | That link should explain it comprehensibly enough. |
| 22:11.20 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 22:11.31 | JademusSreg | I never use those functions, though. Haha |
| 22:11.43 | JademusSreg | So the bug was not known to me. |
| 22:12.23 | Mexa_ | Always used enable area, huh? |
| 22:13.23 | JademusSreg | Never occured to me to disable the mask. |
| 22:14.19 | Mexa_ | Alrighty |
| 22:14.54 | Mexa_ | I was thinking anyways, that the reason that one is "bugged" could be due to fog of war data must be explicitly modified in the data editor in order to get it to work as intended. |
| 22:15.08 | Mexa_ | I have no idea if it helps tho. |
| 22:15.27 | Ahli | I think the actor bug descriped there is the problem I have in my map causing actor errors randomly... |
| 22:16.17 | Darren | Lemme read the link, and look on the data values for unit flags. |
| 22:19.40 | Mexa_ | shit |
| 22:19.51 | Mexa_ | The editor has bugged out heavily :( |
| 22:20.08 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:20.42 | Mexa_ | Apparantly it decided to work again, after the terrain editor viewport changed |
| 22:20.55 | Mexa_ | Ah, no =7 |
| 22:21.48 | Darren | Pro move: Setting a flying viking to move faster on creep. No questions asked. |
| 22:22.39 | Mexa_ | Screenshot saved as 'Terrain 001' - But no screenshot was saved too ._. |
| 22:23.53 | Darren | Pro move: Setting a flying viking to flag burrowed. |
| 22:24.04 | Ahli | lol ;D |
| 22:24.13 | Ahli | have fun colliding with buildings |
| 22:24.31 | Ahli | or do they? ;S |
| 22:25.10 | Darren | Where's the flag for "drunk pilot" |
| 22:25.27 | Mexa_ | FUUUUUU EDITOR |
| 22:25.34 | Mexa_ | It crashed and I didn't save |
| 22:25.56 | Ahli | mexa, ctrl + s after every change like a programmer |
| 22:26.13 | Mexa_ | I wasn't able to save :s |
| 22:26.18 | Mexa_ | Not even before that |
| 22:26.25 | Darren | Ah snap, the vikins. Assault mode is what, and fighter mode is what :o |
| 22:26.40 | Mexa_ | Due to the bug circumstance, whenever I pressed save or save as, nothing happend |
| 22:27.48 | Ahli | I mean saving after successfully doing something, not every time it seems to crash |
| 22:28.04 | Darren | My desktop is filled with Gamename001, 002,003 |
| 22:28.20 | Darren | Currently roudning save file no. 103 |
| 22:28.22 | Mexa_ | Ahli, well, it was too late after this happend |
| 22:28.23 | Mexa_ | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/Random/bah-editor.jpg |
| 22:29.01 | Mexa_ | Protip, don't remove 1500 doodads at once, apparantly. |
| 22:29.16 | ________________ | ur terrain looked pretty tho |
| 22:29.25 | Mexa_ | It's not mine :P |
| 22:29.30 | Darren | Isn't it from the single player mission? |
| 22:29.30 | Mexa_ | Sorry to disappoint |
| 22:29.35 | ________________ | lol aw |
| 22:29.36 | Mexa_ | yup |
| 22:29.54 | ________________ | then, Blizz's terrain looked pretty :p |
| 22:29.56 | Mexa_ | With all the creep gone |
| 22:29.56 | ________________ | GJ Blizz |
| 22:30.01 | Mexa_ | :p |
| 22:30.04 | Darren | If Blizzard can put their melee maps on our top10 custom map list, we can release the single player campaign again as custom map, damn them ! |
| 22:30.50 | Mexa_ | Isn't there some project about that already? To make the campaign coop. |
| 22:31.14 | Darren | Actually, lemme just remake the entire campaign adding some minor changes. 1) Raynor is in fact a black man with no story. 2) You can chose to mute Dr. hanson at any time during the game. I think I got a best seller here. |
| 22:31.49 | Darren | Oh, and replace kerrigan with an automatron bot. |
| 22:32.04 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 22:32.20 | Darren | I think the love scene between Jim and Kerrigan will be awesome when he declares his love to a cleaning robot. |
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| 22:34.39 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 22:34.43 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:34.51 | Bounty | I require your assistance |
| 22:35.00 | JademusSreg | Testing? |
| 22:35.01 | Bounty | after seeing the terrain, wtf should i make the map bounds? |
| 22:35.02 | Darren | I spend more time in the editor renaming and making sure trigger names look cool, than actual coding. |
| 22:35.10 | Bounty | nah, no testing |
| 22:35.13 | Bounty | just help |
| 22:35.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:35.16 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 22:35.22 | Bounty | i have no idea what to put |
| 22:35.46 | Bounty | i could show u the terrain and u can make ur call then? |
| 22:35.54 | JademusSreg | One option is to use water. Make players drive off into it and die. =D |
| 22:35.56 | JademusSreg | Sure/. |
| 22:36.14 | Bounty | that would work for one simple reason |
| 22:36.21 | Bounty | i remember the collision system from Speed craft? |
| 22:36.21 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:36.30 | JademusSreg | Yeah, haha. |
| 22:36.31 | Bounty | i wanted to add that |
| 22:36.47 | Bounty | ok, map is uploaded |
| 22:37.08 | JademusSreg | Hold on. brb, lavatory |
| 22:37.23 | Mexa_ | Bounty, what kind of map is it? |
| 22:37.38 | Bounty | Top Down Bullet Hell Vehicle Combat |
| 22:37.48 | Mexa_ | Who gave you that idea? |
| 22:37.54 | Bounty | ? |
| 22:37.57 | Bounty | myself? |
| 22:38.02 | Mexa_ | ok |
| 22:38.12 | Mexa_ | When? |
| 22:38.19 | Bounty | lol wtf? |
| 22:38.22 | Bounty | a few days ago |
| 22:38.25 | Mexa_ | Odd questions I know, just curious. |
| 22:38.35 | Bounty | i came up with the idea to use smart click for move and attack controls |
| 22:38.42 | Bounty | to get maximum response |
| 22:38.50 | Bounty | and since it would only work well with top down |
| 22:38.52 | Bounty | etc |
| 22:38.55 | Mexa_ | Yah, I remember that since yesterday |
| 22:38.57 | Bounty | i eventually came up with this |
| 22:39.13 | Mexa_ | Coudl you release an eu version at some point this time? |
| 22:39.26 | Bounty | If i can find an uploader sure |
| 22:39.44 | Bounty | It should be playable in a day or two |
| 22:40.01 | Bounty | never realized how much easier it is to make a map that isnt thirdp erson |
| 22:40.10 | Mexa_ | I am still delighted to do so, as long as there's no intellectual property involved, as you know. |
| 22:40.17 | Bounty | well u know me |
| 22:40.20 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:40.30 | Mexa_ | aaw. |
| 22:40.40 | Bounty | its going to have 3 music tracks |
| 22:41.04 | Mexa_ | Put some gameplay recorded soon then, I'm curious. |
| 22:41.26 | Mexa_ | It would be nice anyways. |
| 22:41.31 | Bounty | Not sure if i should make the first video of the standard deathmatch mode or the KILL PHIL mode |
| 22:42.21 | Darren | Doh |
| 22:42.27 | Darren | I'm on EU side |
| 22:42.53 | Bounty | I have a good feeling the KILL PHIL mode will be the most popular |
| 22:43.01 | Darren | I don't mind uploading a map for you if you want it up on the EU side, but there's not really anyone online at this time. |
| 22:43.03 | Bounty | and if anything will make the map popular, itll be that |
| 22:43.38 | Bounty | well even after its playable ill have to do a closed beta |
| 22:43.43 | Bounty | to gather feedback |
| 22:43.53 | Bounty | the first playable version will be pretty basic |
| 22:44.59 | Darren | Always better to create a working skellet first, than aiming for a hole body. |
| 22:45.06 | Darren | skeleton * |
| 22:45.11 | Bounty | yep |
| 22:45.22 | Bounty | thats what i did with trifaction and it turned into an entirely diff game |
| 22:45.24 | Bounty | for the good |
| 22:45.50 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 22:46.19 | Darren | Also makes it easier to finish a project. |
| 22:46.19 | JademusSreg | Logging in. |
| 22:46.23 | Bounty | kk |
| 22:49.42 | Darren | If you haven't got another EU sider, as I said I don't mind uploading it, as long as you don't send like tens of new versions daily that has to be uploaded. |
| 22:57.05 | Bounty | nom nom nom |
| 22:58.30 | AlphA_VsT | how do i make an effect happen when a behavior is transferred between units? |
| 23:00.39 | JademusSreg | Transfered? |
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| 23:06.45 | Darren | Is it worth uploading maps on US side? I mean I don't "care" really, but on the other hand, contributing is always best. |
| 23:13.54 | AlphA_VsT | Well you suck if you dont |
| 23:13.56 | AlphA_VsT | so |
| 23:13.57 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 23:15.59 | Darren | It's not like it's a good game anyway. |
| 23:18.06 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:18.10 | AlphA_VsT | AWWWW |
| 23:23.08 | Darren | Wish I could find some people to test my maps. It's so difficult on EU side. |
| 23:25.24 | Mexa_ | bah,.. crashacrashcrash |
| 23:25.30 | Mexa_ | herpherpderp |
| 23:25.51 | Darren | Everytime your program crashes. I save. |
| 23:26.05 | Mexa_ | I managed to save before it crashed now. |
| 23:26.32 | Ahli | why are actions only working with damage :S anyway, with a dummy damage effect I can trigger the hit effects properly without that random actor error... |
| 23:26.59 | Darren | Ones you start asking why, you're using the program wrong.- |
| 23:31.58 | Darren | Is there any way to reduce the lag from larger amount of units in the game? |
| 23:32.20 | Darren | e.g. I might have 200+ units in the player vision area, and it will begin to lag when there's too many. |
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| 23:36.31 | Darren | & What's the speed of a unit, is that "movement acceleration" or is that only the acceleration. |
| 23:36.45 | Mexa_ | only the acceleration |
| 23:37.18 | Mexa_ | Should be a field nearby called Speed or something. |
| 23:37.22 | Darren | So a lower acceleration means it reaches the max speed slower? |
| 23:37.25 | Mexa_ | Either speed, or velocity |
| 23:37.55 | Mexa_ | yes, the acceleration is measured in cells/gametime seconds^2 |
| 23:38.42 | Mexa_ | The lower acceleration, the longer will it take for it to reach the speed, indeed. |
| 23:39.57 | Darren | Thanks. |
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| 23:40.01 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 23:40.05 | AlphA_VsT | Unit - Transfer 1 It from Player[Player].Unit to Player[Target].Unit yes transfer... |
| 23:40.22 | Darren | Guess I finished my game then. With slight expetion of some last minute changes. |
| 23:40.29 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:40.34 | AlphA_VsT | a game should never be finished |
| 23:40.36 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 23:40.50 | Darren | Fine, I finished the demo |
| 23:41.07 | Darren | You should just name your game "Work in progress" |
| 23:42.15 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 23:42.18 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 23:43.08 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 23:44.25 | Bounty | log on now lol |
| 23:44.28 | Bounty | must see this >< |
| 23:46.18 | JademusSreg | Can't. I'm in a meeting. |
| 23:46.35 | Bounty | lame, wanted to test vehicle collision |
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| 23:58.58 | Darren | Woooohooo! |
| 23:59.08 | Darren | One test and my map just jumped 30 pages up popularity. |
