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| 00:02.38 | Ahli | you create sound actor, you create it whenever the effect is started |
| 00:03.03 | Ahli | make it play once and make it remove itself after the sound has been played |
| 00:03.32 | AlphA_VsT | didn't know abotu soudn actors :D |
| 00:03.42 | Taintedwisp | Hey, I used the Empty unit field on the mineral behaviour, I think its working, it has no footprint so I GUESS it switched to the new unit, but The model didnt go with it, so Its obviously an actor event, But would it be Ability Morph or something different entirely |
| 00:06.36 | AlphA_VsT | so no footprint and no model? |
| 00:06.42 | AlphA_VsT | and you say its working? |
| 00:06.52 | Taintedwisp | well its not supposed to have a footprint :P |
| 00:06.58 | Taintedwisp | thats why I think its working |
| 00:07.14 | Taintedwisp | but the model didnt go with it, so I dont know what event to use |
| 00:07.25 | Taintedwisp | because its stechnically not an ability morph |
| 00:07.32 | Taintedwisp | its a behavior morph |
| 00:10.51 | Taintedwisp | okay it was the right event |
| 00:10.58 | Taintedwisp | but it didnt maintain the placement size |
| 00:12.34 | Taintedwisp | oh btw, i just type to see myself type, feel free to ignore it, Helps me think occasionally |
| 00:12.49 | AlphA_VsT | lol of ocurs |
| 00:14.23 | Taintedwisp | How hard on a scale from 1-10 do you think it would be to make an instant build mode? by votes |
| 00:16.39 | Taintedwisp | Hey anyone available for an actual question that I cant figure out? |
| 00:24.51 | Dustin | anyone had a building's progress jsut restart |
| 00:25.10 | Taintedwisp | Cant say that I have |
| 00:27.06 | Taintedwisp | Okay so I have Trees that turn to stumps when harvested... NOW, i need the stumps to be the right size, I have the size set to .17 in the actor, but when the Trees morph, the stump reverts back to 1.0 size |
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| 00:45.11 | Taintedwisp | Still Nothing |
| 00:49.22 | Taintedwisp | okay instead of the actor, imma change the actual model |
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| 00:52.27 | Daara | i'm about to rage -_- |
| 00:52.33 | Daara | this model is taking way too long |
| 00:52.42 | Daara | i got it to export |
| 00:52.48 | Taintedwisp | YAY IT WORKSX |
| 00:52.52 | Daara | but the middle is gone in sc2 |
| 00:52.54 | Taintedwisp | im the greatest Tree make ever |
| 00:53.05 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 00:53.13 | Taintedwisp | actually its very simple |
| 00:54.13 | Bounty | Did Blizzard change something with the editor? The lighting in the editor isnt matching what it looks like in game for some reason |
| 00:54.35 | Taintedwisp | you have 2 sets of preferances |
| 00:54.44 | Taintedwisp | make sure you editor and in game are set to the same |
| 00:55.07 | Bounty | Where are those settings for the editor |
| 00:55.36 | Taintedwisp | File>Preferances>video |
| 00:55.38 | Bounty | nvm think i got it |
| 00:55.43 | Taintedwisp | lool |
| 00:55.46 | Bounty | wierd |
| 00:55.50 | Bounty | it said match in game settings |
| 00:55.55 | Bounty | and all my settings in game are maxed |
| 00:56.01 | Taintedwisp | Well, im noobish so thats all I know |
| 00:58.48 | Taintedwisp | This really looks good I think |
| 00:58.56 | Taintedwisp | Much better then Disappearing trees |
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| 01:04.27 | Taintedwisp | http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/7683529/1024/Anonymous/Screenshot2012-02-28-19-59-11.jpg |
| 01:04.35 | Taintedwisp | Not too shabby for a noob aye? |
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| 01:17.20 | Darren | Anyone got a second to help me! |
| 01:17.26 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:18.23 | Darren | What format is music files in starcraft. If I want some sound files imported, what file extension must they have. |
| 01:20.00 | Darren | Like mp3 or wav? |
| 01:20.13 | Taintedwisp | .0gg is best |
| 01:20.14 | JademusSreg | ogg |
| 01:20.18 | Taintedwisp | but mp3 work |
| 01:21.41 | Darren | So when I uploaded, and saved the mp3 file. How do I actually play it, I tried "Play sound" trigger but can't see it anywhere. It refers to Sound Link, is this incorrect? |
| 01:24.29 | Darren | Ah please don't tell me I have to setup the sound in the data editor (was browsing forum after forum for answer) |
| 01:25.39 | Taintedwisp | you have to make a soundtrack |
| 01:25.44 | Taintedwisp | in the data editor |
| 01:25.45 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:26.51 | Taintedwisp | http://www.livestream.com/sc2streamster/video?clipId=pla_78d29f68-2519-487a-a2bf-d0ab757186ae |
| 01:26.55 | Darren | I guess at this point developing the editor, they were pretty wasted. |
| 01:27.07 | Taintedwisp | I believe Zelda goes over that in that video |
| 01:27.54 | Taintedwisp | yup he goes over sounds |
| 01:28.14 | Taintedwisp | its really not hard |
| 01:28.18 | Taintedwisp | it was one of the first things to do |
| 01:28.27 | Darren | It's working now. Thanks a lot. |
| 01:28.28 | Taintedwisp | you still use a trigger to fire the soundtrack |
| 01:28.31 | Taintedwisp | oh good |
| 01:28.47 | Darren | Glad to have yo people in here. |
| 01:30.02 | Darren | When I play a sound through a trigger, does it leave any "unfinished" ends, e.g. that I have to stop again, or does it play and then remove itself from the memory. |
| 01:30.16 | Taintedwisp | I dunno |
| 01:30.17 | Darren | Like setting a timer on a text tag, doesn't remove it. |
| 01:30.22 | Taintedwisp | I always used Soundtracks |
| 01:30.41 | Taintedwisp | and soundtracks play contious |
| 01:30.45 | Taintedwisp | continous |
| 01:31.24 | Darren | The play sound plays it ones. But that's no garauntee that it isn't still lingering in memory. |
| 01:33.29 | Darren | Check this out. I just went through my old experimental builds today and recorded some of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYcbBtwF1kA&list=PL8DCDC861CD897B2F&index=6&feature=plpp_video |
| 01:35.37 | Taintedwisp | I guess its time for a new Loading Screen |
| 01:35.59 | Darren | Not working on that anymore. I just build things for fun. Not worried about finishing. |
| 01:36.12 | Taintedwisp | Same here |
| 01:36.20 | Taintedwisp | I never plan to "Finish my map" |
| 01:36.33 | Taintedwisp | Though, It could already be called finished easily |
| 01:37.19 | Darren | Creating is fun, but when people start asking for finished products things will get stressed. |
| 01:37.35 | Taintedwisp | Eh, Mines finished whenever I say it is... which is never |
| 01:38.04 | Darren | Then again, it seems the most popular games are shitty bone versions, nearly falling apart and not actually tested. I was playing some of the new ones, and the flow of trigger errors was extreme and yet - it's on the front page. |
| 01:38.38 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:38.40 | Taintedwisp | sounds about right |
| 01:38.56 | Taintedwisp | I dont see how Zeelots and Peoons is on the front page |
| 01:38.59 | Darren | Then again, pop system as it is now is broken. |
| 01:39.04 | Taintedwisp | its a TOTAL rippoff of Vampirism |
| 01:39.21 | Darren | Seems like there's a hoard of fat kids living of TD and TUG games no matter the quality. |
| 01:39.25 | Taintedwisp | There has to be some way these maps are getting front page, They have to have connections at blizzard or something |
| 01:39.53 | Darren | I swear if I slow down any of those TD games there will be a flashing image "PLAY THIS GAME" hidden. |
| 01:40.00 | Taintedwisp | Because, Crap names, Crap gameplay. just dont seem popular |
| 01:40.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:40.29 | Darren | War3 & Sc1 had perfect systemts. Start a lobby, and it came on the list. |
| 01:40.40 | Taintedwisp | I do really like Bunker wars... but I hate its terrain... |
| 01:40.41 | Darren | - Maybe not perfect but I liked it better. |
| 01:40.41 | Taintedwisp | i really do |
| 01:40.59 | Taintedwisp | and desert strike is fun... but the terrain is crap |
| 01:41.16 | Taintedwisp | Squad td... meh its alright nothing really setting it apart from legion TD |
| 01:41.24 | Darren | You on the US Side? |
| 01:41.27 | Taintedwisp | Yup |
| 01:41.30 | Darren | The EU side has the worst setup ever. |
| 01:41.37 | Taintedwisp | why? |
| 01:41.42 | Taintedwisp | out sides setup is crap... |
| 01:41.43 | Darren | Lemme run in and check the top 10 for you. |
| 01:41.59 | Darren | Here's one of the problems: |
| 01:42.02 | Darren | 2 of the top 10... |
| 01:42.06 | Darren | Is blizzards melee maps? |
| 01:42.18 | Taintedwisp | Yeah that pisses me off too, they will be all over teh 2nd page |
| 01:42.28 | Darren | Way to choke your own game morons. |
| 01:42.32 | Taintedwisp | why do they even show up in the CUSTOM MAPS!!!! |
| 01:42.54 | Darren | Annoys the crap out of me. |
| 01:42.57 | Taintedwisp | They also Plague out popularity system |
| 01:43.00 | Darren | Another thing that annoys me - |
| 01:43.05 | Taintedwisp | fun or not* |
| 01:43.11 | Darren | Looking for CUSTOM channel .. |
| 01:43.23 | Darren | Is mass spam of LF master/plat ect |
| 01:43.32 | Taintedwisp | yeah i know |
| 01:43.40 | Darren | Mass melee setup spammers, and not a single custom game. People misunderstood "custom" |
| 01:45.03 | Darren | Squadron TD, Marine Arena, Desert Strike, Nexus Wars, Wow TD, blizzard map, Star Battle, Footmen, Monobattles, MineralZ, Blizzard Map, |
| 01:45.06 | Darren | Is our main page. |
| 01:45.35 | Taintedwisp | Same on ours for the past year... cept instead of teh blizzard we got zeelots and peons, and Bunker Wars |
| 01:46.03 | Taintedwisp | pobes and zeelots* |
| 01:46.17 | Darren | I saw a game on the custom list called Dia blo |
| 01:46.21 | Darren | It's a 100% ripof diablo. |
| 01:46.25 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 01:46.33 | Darren | Interface, sounds, music, items, interface, movement, models .. |
| 01:46.36 | Taintedwisp | We can re-make other Blizzard games |
| 01:46.42 | Darren | No we can't. |
| 01:46.43 | Taintedwisp | its perfectly legal |
| 01:46.47 | Darren | Remember World of Starcraft? |
| 01:46.51 | Taintedwisp | yeah |
| 01:46.52 | Darren | Got DENIED hard by Blizz |
| 01:46.57 | Taintedwisp | no... |
| 01:47.02 | Darren | It didn't ? |
| 01:47.08 | Taintedwisp | it just went over the 20 MB |
| 01:47.17 | Taintedwisp | they said they couldnt make it for the minimum map size |
| 01:47.19 | Darren | This one rips of all from Diablo, music, interface, voice acting .. |
| 01:47.23 | Taintedwisp | yeah i know |
| 01:47.29 | Taintedwisp | we can use all Blizzard materials |
| 01:47.30 | Darren | How can that be legal? |
| 01:47.36 | Taintedwisp | all BLIZARD |
| 01:47.39 | Darren | Really? |
| 01:47.39 | Ahli | talking about my map? ;D |
| 01:47.41 | Taintedwisp | Yup |
| 01:47.49 | Taintedwisp | i got Warcraft 2 music in mine |
| 01:47.54 | Darren | Hah |
| 01:48.00 | Darren | Those times were nice. |
| 01:48.04 | Taintedwisp | yup |
| 01:48.08 | Darren | "Sire?" "Set sail!" |
| 01:48.16 | Darren | "That way, no that way!" |
| 01:48.17 | Taintedwisp | Thats why I made Mini Chop Farms in Sc2 |
| 01:48.29 | Darren | "Work work!" |
| 01:48.29 | Taintedwisp | Its not that bad considering my editing experience |
| 01:49.17 | Darren | What's a good way to conduct a checksum for cheat in bank files. |
| 01:49.29 | Darren | Checksum numbers stored along with the real? |
| 01:49.53 | Darren | By good, I mean simple and easy. Not worrying too much about it but just like a simple safeguard. |
| 01:50.09 | Taintedwisp | I know nothing of bank files lol |
| 01:50.22 | Ahli | use signature, done |
| 01:50.46 | Darren | Ahli can you explain it a little by any chance? |
| 01:51.23 | Ahli | bank option -> enable signature -> banks have a get an inbuild checksum on saving. |
| 01:52.51 | Ahli | you can check the signature validation of the bank, just don't load from it if it's broken and delete all sections. |
| 01:53.28 | Ahli | or better, make the user be able to delete his bank ingame, because a bug can corrupt the banks ingame and make their signature invalid. |
| 01:54.05 | Ahli | it's the bank upload limit in multiplayer that does that. Goa found out that it's around 8+ kb per player. |
| 01:54.22 | Ahli | search for bank facts on sc2mapster to read more stuff about banks |
| 01:55.11 | Darren | I'm only savin' like .. 1 integer and 10 booleans, that's about it. |
| 01:56.00 | Darren | Alright I'll check up on signatures and how to enable it. |
| 01:56.12 | Ahli | it shouldn't be a problem then |
| 01:57.34 | Darren | They say that it's worse using signatures? |
| 02:00.54 | Ahli | I cannot confirm this. I've only a problem with bank size limit which corrupts the signatures and banks. I even don't know a case where someone actively cheated with a bank with activated signature (despite I think it's possible). But I'm not an author of a page 1 map, so I've limited experience with that. |
| 02:01.58 | Darren | Figure I'll just save some checksums. That can't fail and will throw of simple hack attemps. |
| 02:02.07 | Darren | E.g. editing the field called "Rank" lol. |
| 02:03.35 | Darren | Ooc is there anything called "Date" or "Time" in Starcraft, like just wondering if you could save a time or date value. |
| 02:04.44 | AlphA_VsT | rarw what did i miss |
| 02:05.33 | Darren | Just the old question why Blizzards Melee maps are on front page of custom maps. |
| 02:06.23 | AlphA_VsT | they are? |
| 02:06.38 | Darren | on EU two of the frontpage maps, are Blizzards own. |
| 02:06.45 | Darren | On second page there's an additional three. |
| 02:06.57 | AlphA_VsT | lol... |
| 02:07.14 | Darren | It sickens me. |
| 02:09.10 | AlphA_VsT | OMG I JUST MADE THE PERFECT SOUND! Ok not perfect but fuck its good |
| 02:09.48 | AlphA_VsT | evade ability is done :D |
| 02:12.49 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-02-28%20at%206.11.10%20PM.png |
| 02:12.51 | AlphA_VsT | BAM |
| 02:13.50 | Taintedwisp | your really excited about that map aye alpha? |
| 02:13.55 | AlphA_VsT | maybe i should stop it from rotating to face the point |
| 02:14.01 | JademusSreg | I don't know what I'm seeing here. |
| 02:14.15 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:14.40 | AlphA_VsT | it evaded you, hahahaha |
| 02:14.56 | Taintedwisp | SOOOO whos gunna make my map for me so I can take all the credit? |
| 02:14.57 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:15.11 | AlphA_VsT | what map? |
| 02:15.17 | Taintedwisp | i dunno |
| 02:15.18 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:15.21 | AlphA_VsT | oh |
| 02:15.25 | Taintedwisp | im sure i can find something to put you to work on :P |
| 02:15.38 | AlphA_VsT | I can make you poo poo poopy map if you want |
| 02:15.40 | Taintedwisp | I think im going to make a newe Run Kitty run style map soon |
| 02:15.40 | JademusSreg | Remember the first and second rules. |
| 02:15.50 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 02:16.00 | AlphA_VsT | what is that> |
| 02:16.15 | Taintedwisp | its a map, where your a kitty.... and you dodge doggys to get to your goal |
| 02:16.21 | Taintedwisp | its what runling run was made after |
| 02:16.24 | AlphA_VsT | not you |
| 02:16.43 | JademusSreg | <JademusSreg> The First Rule Of Game Design is that no one gives a shit about anyone else's ideas unless they are being paid to give a shit, because everyone has their own ideas. The Second Rule Of Game Design is no one will steal your ideas, so feel free to discuss them; see First Rule. |
| 02:16.59 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:17.01 | AlphA_VsT | I see |
| 02:17.10 | Taintedwisp | i dunno... i might steal them |
| 02:17.28 | Taintedwisp | :P |
| 02:17.37 | AlphA_VsT | god thats so fun to use |
| 02:17.57 | Taintedwisp | I dunno why, by my past 2 maps, I have made a Spectator Spawn :P |
| 02:18.00 | Taintedwisp | just for looks |
| 02:18.49 | Darren | Rule #1: Share your ideas so other can help you make your project. Rule #2 never share your ideas, people will steal them, so get people to help you by doing no. 1 |
| 02:19.04 | Darren | or sumthin' |
| 02:19.07 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:19.17 | Taintedwisp | You guys KNow nothing of the TRUE rules |
| 02:19.18 | JademusSreg | Sense has just not been made. |
| 02:19.22 | Taintedwisp | 1. Men are Men |
| 02:19.26 | Taintedwisp | 2. Women are men |
| 02:19.34 | Taintedwisp | 3. Children are FBI agents |
| 02:19.45 | Darren | The truth is told by drunk people and children? |
| 02:19.58 | Taintedwisp | Drunk men and FBI agents.. |
| 02:20.33 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:21.07 | Ahli | cool, I'm a fbi agent, sometimes ;D |
| 02:21.14 | Taintedwisp | lol |
| 02:21.30 | AlphA_VsT | when you play dress up with your boyfriend right Ahli? |
| 02:21.44 | Ahli | oh I read drunk men are fbi agents |
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| 02:22.21 | Darren | eh |
| 02:22.42 | Taintedwisp | OOTSA OOTSA OOTSA |
| 02:22.55 | Darren | Hands up! This is an internet raid! We're taking in all illegal ideas and maps. We're the INTERNET police, baboo baboo |
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| 02:23.35 | Taintedwisp | SOOO I NEED TO MAKE A 3rd person map with a girl infront of a fireplace right? |
| 02:23.56 | Taintedwisp | Its my idea, I thought of it all by myself |
| 02:24.05 | Taintedwisp | Totally not stolen by screenshtos |
| 02:24.26 | Darren | I just got the perfect idea for a map!.. oh wait, does blizzard allow animal porn and bizzard commercial content? Ah, then I gotta rethink it I guess. |
| 02:24.45 | Taintedwisp | I totally had that idea yesterday |
| 02:25.00 | Taintedwisp | you owe me 1$ everytime someone finishes your map |
| 02:25.43 | Darren | I will .. pay you 1€ to finish all my maps. |
| 02:28.22 | Darren | Is the tv serie nikita any good? Seems like Dollhouse |
| 02:28.54 | AlphA_VsT | sounds gay |
| 02:30.32 | JademusSreg | Evaluating something objectively requires a technical insight. As I do not produce, direct, or act in television series, I cannot make an assertion as to their quality. |
| 02:30.33 | Taintedwisp | Nikita Bannana? |
| 02:31.46 | JademusSreg | Also, Alph, television shows do not have gender and are incapable of experiencing attraction, so it would be difficult for a show to be homosexual, I think. |
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| 02:32.40 | Mexa_ | urgh |
| 02:33.15 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 02:33.37 | Mexa_ | The computer broke, so I had to reset it to factory settings :\ |
| 02:33.41 | JademusSreg | Ouch. |
| 02:33.53 | Darren | Factory? So now it works like a hellion. |
| 02:34.16 | Mexa_ | Spending time reinstalling and uninstalling bloatware really is annoying. |
| 02:34.30 | Taintedwisp | No more like a half dead Seige tank |
| 02:35.24 | Mexa_ | ... and I feel like I have a concussion due to all this ._. |
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| 02:35.59 | Taintedwisp | Mexa... thats to Barracks settings... |
| 02:36.24 | Mexa_ | Mmm, them shell32 |
| 02:36.46 | Taintedwisp | lawl |
| 02:37.51 | Daara | this...makes...absolutely....no sense...at...all |
| 02:38.00 | Daara | my gate disapears |
| 02:38.05 | Daara | just leaving the pillars |
| 02:38.15 | Daara | and the attachment points are disappearing too |
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| 02:54.41 | AlphA_VsT | hmmm i need to turn off unit collisions for evade |
| 02:55.57 | JademusSreg | Behaviors can do that, as I recall. |
| 02:56.05 | JademusSreg | A Suppress Collision flag. |
| 03:01.04 | AlphA_VsT | didnt work :p |
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| 03:03.33 | Cardinal_ | sick and fucking tired of my maps glitching out. |
| 03:04.17 | Cardinal_ | this time... adding '1' to a random index of an integer array... then displaying the value in a grid (dialog box) |
| 03:04.23 | Cardinal_ | somehow manages to add '5' in some instances. |
| 03:05.00 | Cardinal_ | Quantity (Integer) [8][16] |
| 03:05.13 | Cardinal_ | ShoppingButton (DialogItem) [16] |
| 03:05.22 | Cardinal_ | Player types 'add' |
| 03:05.38 | Cardinal_ | Modify Variable: Quantity[1][Random value between 1 and 16]:- +1 |
| 03:05.48 | Cardinal_ | Call custom function 'Update Display' |
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| 03:05.56 | Cardinal_ | For each integer(i) from 1 to 16 |
| 03:06.01 | Bounty | Nom Nom Nom |
| 03:06.23 | Cardinal_ | set Dialog Item (ShoppingButton) 'Text' to Text(Integer(Quantity[1][i]) |
| 03:06.27 | Cardinal_ | and it glitches! hurray |
| 03:08.45 | Cardinal_ | Anyways, I'll debug that another time. Larger fish to fry. |
| 03:09.41 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:09.45 | AlphA_VsT | how does that bug? |
| 03:09.59 | Cardinal_ | Is it possible, through entirely data methods, to validate whether 'Object A' is between 'Unit X' and 'Unit Y' and use that validator? |
| 03:10.34 | Cardinal_ | @AlphA_VsT: The first one is okay, it adds from 0 to 1, as expected. But as soon as it randomly picks a grid already holding 1, the value jumps to 5. |
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| 03:16.46 | Mexa_ | [04:05] <Cardinal_> Modify Variable: Quantity[1][Random value between 1 and 16]:- +1 -I would assume that that would lead to an expression Quantity[1][Random value between 1 and 16] = Quantity[1][Random value between 1 and 16] + 1 |
| 03:17.04 | Mexa_ | Which means it would fail completely on what it is supposed to do. |
| 03:17.38 | Mexa_ | You could validate my theory, by applying the random value in a temportary variable first before being used. |
| 03:18.19 | Cardinal_ | Yeah, just fixed that. Appears directly using a 'random integer function' in the index array causes it to fail hard. |
| 03:18.39 | Cardinal_ | Whereas, storing a random integer to a local variable, then referencing that variable as the index... works fine... |
| 03:18.47 | Mexa_ | Ofcourse |
| 03:18.48 | Cardinal_ | My data question is the real problem :) |
| 03:19.22 | Mexa_ | Ah, I don't know data at all. |
| 03:19.47 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:19.58 | AlphA_VsT | well glad you fixed it |
| 03:20.01 | Mexa_ | Ug and this headache. I'll get some sleep instead. |
| 03:20.06 | Cardinal_ | I fear its' only possible through a longwinded method that is used in data colission detection |
| 03:20.06 | Mexa_ | Seeya folks. |
| 03:20.09 | Cardinal_ | Ciao. |
| 03:20.11 | AlphA_VsT | I was going to recomend ssetting the random first |
| 03:20.12 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 03:20.25 | Mexa_ | Beat you to it :D |
| 03:20.49 | AlphA_VsT | I don't see a easy to get if a unit is between untis in data let alone triggers :D |
| 03:21.31 | Mexa_ | untis untis untis? |
| 03:23.25 | Mexa_ | Also by being between, do you mean the unit should be between two parelell lines, whereas each line is going through the origin of the corresponding unit's position? |
| 03:23.54 | AlphA_VsT | i would assume so |
| 03:23.56 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:24.44 | Mexa_ | you could go with checking the angles between the units, I think. |
| 03:25.17 | Mexa_ | I can only roughly see it in front of me right now, oh well. |
| 03:25.25 | Mexa_ | Need that beauty sleep of mine now :> |
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| 03:29.57 | ________________ | What's the advantage of pulling info from/storing info in the data table as opposed to a variable? |
| 03:30.40 | JademusSreg | Dynamic memory allocation. |
| 03:30.49 | Cardinal_ | Hey Jade |
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| 03:31.01 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 03:31.14 | ________________ | so then the data table is just more dynamic? |
| 03:31.16 | Cardinal_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/33338-custom-validator-of-sorts/ Any know how for me? :3 |
| 03:31.16 | ________________ | thats it? |
| 03:31.46 | JademusSreg | Dynamic string key-based allocation. |
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| 03:32.18 | yttrium | hey, is anyone good with behaviors in the data editor? |
| 03:32.30 | ________________ | theres no real performance difference noticed in using one or the other right? |
| 03:32.40 | ________________ | cuz it hasnt looked like it |
| 03:33.26 | JademusSreg | Underscore, we don't have a way of performing rigorous benchmarks. |
| 03:33.51 | JademusSreg | Card, sounds tricky. |
| 03:33.59 | ________________ | also, cardinal.. why not just see if the damage is melee... and if it's not then the damage can miss via behavior applied by the smoke screen |
| 03:34.25 | Cardinal_ | @Underscore - Because you missed the point of what I'm trying to create, I guess? :P |
| 03:34.25 | yttrium | anyone? |
| 03:34.33 | ________________ | kay :p |
| 03:34.35 | JademusSreg | I mean, you can reduce damage to zero. |
| 03:34.59 | JademusSreg | Apply a behavior to the source unit that reduces its damage. |
| 03:35.11 | Cardinal_ | but how to data-check that 'object X' is between 'Unit A' and 'Unit B' (whom are shooting at each other) |
| 03:35.36 | ________________ | oh its not on top like the defiler smoke thing |
| 03:35.37 | Cardinal_ | Doesn't matter at which distance along the AB line the smoke screen is at |
| 03:35.56 | Cardinal_ | @Underscore. Bingo :)... Units who are inside the actual smoke screen have their vision reduced to 0.5 |
| 03:35.59 | JademusSreg | Ah, that's even more difficult. |
| 03:36.04 | ________________ | ^ |
| 03:36.26 | JademusSreg | The entire attack mechanic across the board would need to be able to interface with it. |
| 03:36.33 | Cardinal_ | @Jademus - in the Edit:EditEdit: part of my post... I outlined one possible method |
| 03:36.59 | Cardinal_ | Every time a unit attacks, I can search in a line for the 'object', and if it is found... apply the damage reduction or miss chance etc |
| 03:37.22 | Cardinal_ | But I fear.. with a full map, lots of units attacking, equating to lots of periodic search areas occurring might incur performance issues. |
| 03:37.32 | JademusSreg | It's not an issue of overhead, that's negligable. |
| 03:38.10 | Cardinal_ | My problem then is how to use the x,y,z periodic offsets... to shoot in a straight line from the attacking unit |
| 03:38.17 | Cardinal_ | How do the values translate according to where the unit is facing? |
| 03:38.39 | Cardinal_ | And how does the Weapon Arc value affect this also. |
| 03:38.41 | JademusSreg | But you're better off doing that stuff through triggers/script at that point. The amount of data involved would be a terror to manage. |
| 03:38.56 | ________________ | ^ |
| 03:39.24 | Cardinal_ | I guess I'll trigger it. If HotS gives me more things to play with I'll optimise. |
| 03:41.00 | ________________ | wqhen is that coming out btw |
| 03:41.19 | Cardinal_ | Pick all units == Smoke Screen in (weapon range) radius around attacking unit |
| 03:41.43 | Cardinal_ | Check to see if picked unit is directly between units within certain range |
| 03:42.04 | Cardinal_ | Apply extremely short buff to attacked unit to reduce incoming damage / chance to totally reduce |
| 03:42.09 | Cardinal_ | Sound about righT? |
| 03:42.29 | JademusSreg | Sounds about right. |
| 03:42.40 | Bounty | Jade |
| 03:42.43 | Bounty | down for a quick test? |
| 03:42.53 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 03:42.55 | Cardinal_ | Or even, pick each unit... along point between Attacking and Attacked Units... if Smokescreen... apply buff? |
| 03:43.38 | Cardinal_ | Anyways, 4am approaches. time to sleep :) |
| 03:43.48 | Bounty | uploading now |
| 03:43.50 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 03:44.49 | Bounty | just tell me what u think so far, this will give u a 100% idea of what the final game will be like |
| 03:49.10 | Daara | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxIOUJ7by6U&feature=relmfu |
| 03:51.05 | Daara | mystery solved |
| 03:51.11 | Daara | i think i can finish this model now! |
| 03:51.15 | Daara | 9 hours later! |
| 03:51.44 | ________________ | lol'd |
| 03:52.14 | Daara | i had mesh's disappearing |
| 03:52.19 | Daara | once i got into sc2 |
| 03:52.32 | Daara | first time i've ever encountered this |
| 03:55.17 | Daara | it's not like its a freakin complex model either |
| 03:55.19 | Daara | it's a damn gate |
| 03:55.29 | Daara | with a stand, stand open, open, and close animation |
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| 04:07.01 | Daara | yay |
| 04:07.03 | Daara | it works |
| 04:14.35 | Bounty | i sense lots of performance optimizations in this maps future JademusSreg |
| 04:14.41 | Bounty | more so than my Third Person maps |
| 04:18.07 | JademusSreg | I should hope. =D |
| 04:21.45 | Bounty | oh btw JademusSreg |
| 04:21.50 | Bounty | i figured i should share this with u |
| 04:22.21 | Bounty | this will be the music that plays during the game |
| 04:22.22 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgzTjDxVtrw |
| 04:22.22 | Bounty | =P |
| 04:22.50 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:23.12 | Bounty | Definently going for a Twisted Metal type feel |
| 04:26.16 | Bounty | really wish i knew wtf is going on with the shadows |
| 04:29.03 | JademusSreg | It's funny, Marilyn Manson always reminds me of a truly rotund, no, more like a rotunda, a massive circular building of a kid I knew in school. A feeble, slow kid, well really slow like the aforementioned rotunda, always going on about Marilyn Manson and the devil and other profoundly idiotic things that comes with being raised in a strict religious home. |
| 04:29.55 | Bounty | lol |
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| 04:34.16 | Thetubbygoat | sup guize |
| 04:34.46 | Thetubbygoat | Currydevil! Haven't seen you in forever |
| 04:34.51 | Currydevil | oh hai |
| 04:35.22 | Thetubbygoat | So that map |
| 04:35.26 | Thetubbygoat | That I wanted you to help me with |
| 04:35.30 | Thetubbygoat | Turns out someone else made it |
| 04:35.31 | Thetubbygoat | booooo |
| 04:35.38 | Thetubbygoat | and they just did a workaround my problem |
| 04:35.41 | Currydevil | which one? |
| 04:35.44 | Thetubbygoat | they didnt have lobby-set teams |
| 04:35.45 | AlphA_VsT | what map |
| 04:35.59 | Thetubbygoat | Mine was called One Macro One Micro |
| 04:36.00 | Currydevil | it's been awhile. i forget everything i've been doing in sc2 lol |
| 04:36.06 | Thetubbygoat | Don't know what that kid called his |
| 04:38.43 | Currydevil | Hmm, I just opened a map of mine that I haven't touched in months and the cliffs look all messy in the editor. =O |
| 04:39.53 | Thetubbygoat | Time to cry |
| 04:40.55 | AlphA_VsT | cliffs are always bugged in the editor |
| 04:41.06 | xelot | turn off show hidden terrain cells |
| 04:41.17 | AlphA_VsT | really? |
| 04:42.03 | JademusSreg | Hahahaha |
| 04:42.27 | xelot | ctrl+T |
| 04:43.04 | Currydevil | aha. silly that an update (or me just not playing in months) turns it back on. thanks |
| 04:44.20 | Currydevil | Oh it's all laggy too haha. |
| 04:44.36 | Thetubbygoat | hmm |
| 04:44.38 | Thetubbygoat | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 04:44.41 | Thetubbygoat | i need a job for the summer |
| 04:54.44 | Daara | http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.386793988014232.109018.122709901089310&type=3 |
| 04:54.52 | Daara | horde units/structures so far |
| 04:58.08 | Parthon | nice, imports or recreations? |
| 04:58.19 | Daara | imports that are redone for sc2 |
| 04:58.21 | Jum-Jum | zomg! |
| 04:58.25 | Jum-Jum | nice stuff |
| 04:58.39 | Jum-Jum | http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=KCTP7BIhLVU |
| 04:58.46 | Jum-Jum | ive been having this up for a few days |
| 04:59.00 | Jum-Jum | orc theme zog! zogg! |
| 04:59.20 | Parthon | hehe |
| 04:59.28 | Parthon | I didn't play enough WC2 |
| 04:59.36 | Daara | http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.372509879442643.106694.122709901089310&type=3 |
| 04:59.44 | Daara | those are the humans |
| 05:00.26 | Parthon | they look like the wow models more than the wc3 ones |
| 05:00.44 | Daara | that's cause they are :P |
| 05:00.49 | Parthon | ah |
| 05:00.55 | Parthon | mystery solved ;) |
| 05:01.04 | yttrium | Why is continuous movement so complicated? |
| 05:01.07 | Daara | still takes a bunch of work |
| 05:01.42 | Parthon | continuous movement? |
| 05:02.04 | yttrium | Yeah, a unit moves towards the ordered point, but when it reaches that point, it continues to move in that direction indefinitely |
| 05:02.26 | Parthon | oh right |
| 05:02.59 | Parthon | hmmm |
| 05:03.54 | yttrium | I was looking, and apparently someone set up a behavior set to make it work |
| 05:04.04 | yttrium | But I when I try to recreate it, it no longer works |
| 05:04.15 | yttrium | And so eventually I set up a trigger system for it |
| 05:04.28 | yttrium | But it's becoming a real pain to keep certain fields static |
| 05:04.29 | Parthon | it's always that piece missing that's hidden in the data somewhere that's never explained |
| 05:04.40 | yttrium | Because values should exist when Blizzard forgot to put thme in |
| 05:05.09 | yttrium | for example, I can't target a point offset from a point & angle combo |
| 05:05.31 | yttrium | Where the source point would be position of trigger unit, and angle would be facing angle of triggering unit |
| 05:05.41 | Parthon | yeah, can't do that |
| 05:05.45 | yttrium | If I want to do that, I have to keep a variable set |
| 05:05.58 | yttrium | Because Blizzard regressed from War3 |
| 05:06.12 | yttrium | "last issued order point" no longer exists |
| 05:06.14 | yttrium | all of my why |
| 05:06.24 | Parthon | lol |
| 05:06.54 | Parthon | is there an on order -> set variable trigger you could do? |
| 05:08.05 | yttrium | hold on - i think i figured this out |
| 05:08.21 | yttrium | one question - is there any way to make a unit not collide with the map regions? |
| 05:08.56 | yttrium | that is to say, they can walk outside the playable area? |
| 05:09.45 | Parthon | good question, I haven't tried |
| 05:12.01 | yttrium | also |
| 05:12.10 | yttrium | is there any way to detect if a trigger is currently running? |
| 05:12.17 | yttrium | as a condition? |
| 05:13.18 | Thetubbygoat | OK I DID IT |
| 05:13.21 | Thetubbygoat | APPLIED TO PETCO |
| 05:13.23 | JademusSreg | Triggers are run in a queue, so they never really run concurrently. |
| 05:13.29 | Parthon | nah, only one trigger runs at a time |
| 05:13.54 | yttrium | hmph. |
| 05:14.06 | JademusSreg | Of course, you can check the queue. |
| 05:14.08 | Parthon | why do you need to tell if a trigger is running? |
| 05:14.26 | yttrium | my idea is a two-trigger set: |
| 05:14.33 | yttrium | one that makes the infinite movement happen |
| 05:14.46 | yttrium | and another than will cancel actions of the first trigger if a player tries to interene |
| 05:14.48 | Parthon | aye! |
| 05:14.50 | yttrium | intervene |
| 05:15.05 | yttrium | an alternate is making an action that loops until the player stops it |
| 05:15.32 | Parthon | well, triggers run until they are done, unless you run another trigger, or put a wait in it |
| 05:16.16 | yttrium | hold on |
| 05:16.22 | Parthon | and you can disable a trigger from triggering, or use a variable to check to cancel |
| 05:16.24 | yttrium | going to see if i can make it work without a condition |
| 05:16.26 | JademusSreg | Or put an escape clause in the contract, so to speak. |
| 05:17.15 | Parthon | also, why does everyone compare the SC2 editor with programming? they are nothing alike |
| 05:17.51 | Thetubbygoat | ^TRUE |
| 05:17.51 | JademusSreg | Programming in the loosest sense is giving a machine a set of instructions to execute. |
| 05:17.56 | Thetubbygoat | So e z p z to GUI |
| 05:18.06 | Thetubbygoat | Except Jade, he does it all hardcore |
| 05:18.50 | Parthon | Jade: that's pretty loose :P |
| 05:19.39 | JademusSreg | Galaxy script is C without testicles/ovaries. Even when you get to the climax, it's a disappointment, but you work with what's available. |
| 05:20.06 | Parthon | oh yeah, the Galaxy Script part of GE is programming |
| 05:20.19 | Parthon | but trigger editing and data editing is not |
| 05:20.36 | Jum-Jum | what kind of map are you making Daara? |
| 05:20.59 | JademusSreg | I would argue GUI is comparable to programming, but very slowly. And using the data editor is like managing a paltry data base. |
| 05:21.04 | Daara | base capture then king of the hill |
| 05:21.24 | Jum-Jum | but how is it played |
| 05:21.36 | Daara | starts out kinda like risk |
| 05:21.40 | Jum-Jum | do you control one unit or more or...? |
| 05:21.45 | Daara | yes |
| 05:21.52 | Daara | you start out with a hero and starting units |
| 05:21.58 | Daara | and go around capturing bases |
| 05:22.06 | Parthon | Jade: yeah, I was miffed at the number of comments on tutorials which were along the lines of "I can't make a unit in the data editor because I don't know programming." |
| 05:22.06 | Jum-Jum | cool |
| 05:22.11 | Daara | once you capture a base you can start building your own base |
| 05:22.23 | Parthon | can you build a base in that base? |
| 05:22.29 | Daara | yes |
| 05:22.41 | Daara | like |
| 05:22.44 | Daara | you capture a town hall |
| 05:22.55 | Daara | and then that provides you with income/supply |
| 05:23.03 | Parthon | (ya dawg) |
| 05:23.15 | Currydevil | ohh I played a map in wc3 similar to that |
| 05:23.18 | Daara | and then you can build peasants ect |
| 05:23.33 | Daara | the more you capture the more income/supply |
| 05:23.48 | Daara | and once that phase ends there's a base in the middle everyone has to fight for to win |
| 05:24.37 | Daara | i've got a ton of work to do still though |
| 05:24.48 | Daara | 2 1/2 races left |
| 05:24.54 | Daara | plus balancing |
| 05:25.33 | Daara | that and updating the map |
| 05:26.07 | Daara | i'd say another 3 months worth of time at least |
| 05:28.06 | Parthon | yup |
| 05:29.36 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:49.34 | Currydevil | why is it so difficult to think of hero abilities =O |
| 05:52.02 | JademusSreg | It's about how you frame it. |
| 05:53.32 | Currydevil | I've framed it with hearts, stars and horseshoes, clovers and blue moons |
| 05:53.45 | Currydevil | It's still beating me right now. |
| 05:54.45 | JademusSreg | Good design gives you less, and allows you to do more. Which is to say you have a few elements that interact in interesting ways. |
| 05:56.33 | Currydevil | That still doesn't help me come up with a hero ability |
| 05:56.47 | JademusSreg | It's not enough for options to have quantitative differences (50 damage with a 1 second cooldown or 100 damage with a 2 second cooldown? lame), they need qualitative differences. |
| 05:58.20 | Currydevil | They are going to be different. |
| 05:58.35 | Currydevil | I'm not even worrying about numbers right now. |
| 05:58.55 | JademusSreg | An ability that slows a target with a debuff that jumps to a nearby enemy when it expires is qualitatively different from an ability that launches a target through the air, stunning it and making it inaccessible to melee attacks for a short duration. |
| 05:59.53 | Currydevil | Mhm |
| 06:00.46 | JademusSreg | There's also the question of explicit versus implicit synergy. Do you want to define the interactions between abilities explicitly or design the qualities to be "open ended" and make their interactions an emergent, implicit aspect of gameplay? |
| 06:04.45 | JademusSreg | Combos, like in fighting games and other intense PvP, tend to be designed around implicit interactions. You have an ability with knockback, which sets up a teleport closer, which closes with a high damage nuke or a snare/stun. |
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| 06:05.25 | yttrium | Okay this is VERY frustrating |
| 06:05.29 | Currydevil | Yes, I think i'm heading that way. still just getting the lists down |
| 06:05.36 | yttrium | My trigger WORKS! |
| 06:05.43 | yttrium | But it only works after about 10 move commands |
| 06:05.49 | yttrium | And then it works flawlessly the rest of the game... |
| 06:05.55 | ________________ | whao |
| 06:06.39 | ________________ | make the players move 10 times before starting the game! :p |
| 06:06.49 | JademusSreg | Haha, that's ridiculous. |
| 06:06.55 | JademusSreg | What are you doing? |
| 06:06.59 | ________________ | ^_^ |
| 06:07.08 | yttrium | recreating worm wars |
| 06:07.10 | yttrium | from war3 |
| 06:07.21 | JademusSreg | I don't know what that is. |
| 06:07.51 | Parthon | yttrium: grats :D |
| 06:07.56 | Parthon | but .. that's an odd results |
| 06:08.04 | yttrium | actually |
| 06:08.06 | yttrium | it's very odd |
| 06:08.09 | yttrium | if i do 10 commands |
| 06:08.12 | yttrium | it doesn't always work |
| 06:08.20 | yttrium | unless they're rapid |
| 06:08.47 | ________________ | pastebin the code |
| 06:09.05 | yttrium | aight |
| 06:09.20 | Currydevil | I'll have to do it implicitly then, as the abilities won't be available right away to "require" ability 1's effect to combo with ability 2 |
| 06:10.01 | Dustin | http://i.imgur.com/hieqh.jpg |
| 06:10.17 | ________________ | lol |
| 06:10.27 | Parthon | lol |
| 06:11.06 | yttrium | http://pastebin.com/huFkKS9K |
| 06:11.38 | JademusSreg | Don't waits break event content actions? |
| 06:11.40 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 06:11.55 | ________________ | ^ |
| 06:12.04 | yttrium | try it without wait? |
| 06:12.30 | JademusSreg | If you're gonna use something more than once, allocate it to a variable. |
| 06:12.46 | yttrium | did |
| 06:12.54 | yttrium | there are two- |
| 06:13.08 | yttrium | unless i'm misunderstanding you |
| 06:13.16 | JademusSreg | You use Triggering unit 8 times. |
| 06:13.38 | JademusSreg | Additionally, what is the purpose of the wait? |
| 06:13.57 | yttrium | originally, override would infinite loop |
| 06:14.05 | yttrium | ...i just tested it without though, and it works fine now |
| 06:14.12 | yttrium | already disabled |
| 06:14.22 | ________________ | works with just moving once? |
| 06:14.33 | yttrium | no |
| 06:14.36 | ________________ | D: |
| 06:14.38 | yttrium | needs about a spam of 10 |
| 06:14.42 | yttrium | and then it works flawlessly |
| 06:15.31 | ________________ | try having the initial value of currentlymoving to true |
| 06:15.35 | ________________ | as true* |
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| 06:16.11 | JademusSreg | Not clear to me what the purpose of it is. |
| 06:16.20 | JademusSreg | The trigger, I mean. |
| 06:16.30 | yttrium | infinite movement |
| 06:16.36 | ________________ | damn |
| 06:16.44 | yttrium | underscore, tried that, it just makes it take longer to rev up |
| 06:16.50 | ________________ | oic |
| 06:16.53 | yttrium | actually made it worse |
| 06:16.57 | ________________ | odd |
| 06:17.05 | JademusSreg | You mean you want every unit to move perpetually in the direction of their current move order? |
| 06:17.10 | Parthon | yttrium: tried removing/disabling the first move command at the very start of the trigger? |
| 06:17.11 | yttrium | yes- |
| 06:17.14 | yttrium | but i've tried multiple methods |
| 06:17.19 | yttrium | and this is the closest i've gotten |
| 06:17.39 | JademusSreg | How many units will you be working with? |
| 06:17.49 | JademusSreg | And does the player control them? |
| 06:17.49 | yttrium | 12 |
| 06:17.55 | yttrium | each player gets their own |
| 06:18.01 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 06:18.14 | yttrium | tried behaviors, that never even took off |
| 06:18.26 | yttrium | tried other triggers, but they always fuck up the actual movement |
| 06:18.32 | yttrium | it's infinite, but in altered directions |
| 06:18.41 | JademusSreg | In that case, you iterate through the unit group and issue a move order at an offset at the angle of unit's facing. |
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| 06:19.08 | yttrium | removing the first move command made it easier to rev up, but it still has to |
| 06:19.12 | Parthon | yttrium: the first move order you make just as the trigger is set could be interfering with the trigger |
| 06:19.18 | JademusSreg | And the offset should be inversely proportional to the period. |
| 06:19.19 | Parthon | aah okay |
| 06:19.32 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 06:19.35 | Bounty | btw JademusSreg |
| 06:19.36 | yttrium | jade, tried that |
| 06:19.44 | Bounty | i run at 120 fps on the map now |
| 06:19.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:19.48 | JademusSreg | You must not have tired enough. |
| 06:19.48 | Parthon | yttrium: then wouldn't the two triggers interfere with each other? |
| 06:19.51 | JademusSreg | *tried |
| 06:19.51 | ________________ | nice fps |
| 06:19.52 | Bounty | i turned off the lights |
| 06:19.53 | yttrium | no, i did, |
| 06:19.56 | yttrium | and it made it infinite, |
| 06:19.57 | ________________ | my map needs less doodads |
| 06:19.57 | Bounty | in the grocery store area |
| 06:20.04 | Parthon | ie: trigger 1 happens, then trigger 2 happens |
| 06:20.10 | JademusSreg | It's the approach I use in Photon Cycles. Pretty simple stuff. |
| 06:20.10 | yttrium | but the issue is that it bent the path based on trajectory |
| 06:20.20 | JademusSreg | There's no need for more than one thread. |
| 06:20.21 | yttrium | if it was too close to a wall, the unit went in an obscure direction |
| 06:20.42 | Bounty | You should help me find out a solution to the shadows cutting out JademusSreg =P |
| 06:20.45 | yttrium | parth, they're supposed to |
| 06:20.46 | Bounty | Can't figure it out |
| 06:20.57 | yttrium | otherwise the player cannot interrupt the infinite movement |
| 06:21.01 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's odd Bounty. |
| 06:21.01 | yttrium | and make it go in a different direction |
| 06:21.03 | Parthon | yttrium: umm |
| 06:21.17 | JademusSreg | [01:19:29] <JademusSreg> And the offset should be inversely proportional to the period. |
| 06:21.21 | Bounty | Think it could be the camera distance? |
| 06:21.28 | Bounty | Since its not the default camera |
| 06:21.29 | Parthon | but the first trigger is running and setting a direction, then the next trigger runs STRAIGHT AWAY stopping the movement |
| 06:21.49 | yttrium | except it doesn't run until the player makes a new action |
| 06:21.57 | yttrium | because it doesn't run unless currentlyrunning is active |
| 06:21.59 | ________________ | jades' photon cycles movement system works perfectly... you could just copy it |
| 06:22.01 | JademusSreg | Bounty, the terrain was even, flat, yes? And it cut out suddenly. |
| 06:22.02 | yttrium | so the first time it runs, it does nothing |
| 06:22.09 | Bounty | yes JademusSreg |
| 06:22.11 | yttrium | only after the infinite movement begins do the actions carry out |
| 06:22.23 | JademusSreg | So I'm not certain it was camera distance. Worth a try, I suppose, but I doubt that was the issue. |
| 06:22.23 | Parthon | aaah okay |
| 06:22.36 | Parthon | but then line 12 would set it off? |
| 06:22.43 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:22.49 | Bounty | I'm gonna test it Jade, gonna zoom the camera in abit more |
| 06:23.09 | yttrium | ...i'll try swapping line 11 and 12 |
| 06:23.19 | Parthon | that won't help eitehr |
| 06:23.21 | Parthon | either* |
| 06:23.47 | yttrium | yeah, did nothing |
| 06:24.00 | yttrium | so what should i do? |
| 06:24.46 | Parthon | I'm thinking |
| 06:24.59 | Parthon | you don't want two triggers both responding to the move though |
| 06:25.00 | yttrium | a'ight |
| 06:25.05 | yttrium | yeah |
| 06:25.09 | yttrium | it's pretty much a workaround |
| 06:25.13 | yttrium | a different method would be preferred |
| 06:25.49 | yttrium | wait a minute |
| 06:25.55 | yttrium | second trigger is no longer needed |
| 06:25.56 | yttrium | at all |
| 06:26.10 | yttrium | i implemented it when i was using infinite loops |
| 06:26.17 | yttrium | but i'm not anymore, so don't need it |
| 06:26.33 | yttrium | however even with the second trigger removed, it still takes multiple clicks to rev up |
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| 06:28.08 | Parthon | I have an idea but it might not work, going to test it out in a new map |
| 06:28.18 | yttrium | what are the basics? |
| 06:28.50 | yttrium | hold on - idea |
| 06:28.55 | Parthon | have one trigger for capturing movement |
| 06:28.59 | Parthon | another trigger for ordering movement |
| 06:29.03 | Parthon | and a third trigger for stop |
| 06:29.05 | yttrium | just got an idea |
| 06:29.18 | yttrium | what if it doesn't rev up until the unit is in movement? |
| 06:29.30 | Currydevil | Question: Say I have Unit B attached to Unit A and a couple models attached to unit B, does hiding unit B hide the models attached as well? |
| 06:29.41 | yttrium | what if i make the unit begin to move at map initialization, wait a second, and then enable infinite movement? |
| 06:29.44 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 06:29.52 | ________________ | wb |
| 06:30.08 | Parthon | that might work |
| 06:30.27 | JademusSreg | Curry, depends on how on its inheritence flags. |
| 06:30.36 | Currydevil | ok |
| 06:30.45 | JademusSreg | *are set |
| 06:30.48 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:30.54 | Currydevil | I can attach models.. but learning units now =O I haven't touched the editor in months. |
| 06:31.00 | Currydevil | nice. |
| 06:32.15 | yttrium | grrrrrrrr |
| 06:32.16 | yttrium | nope |
| 06:32.23 | yttrium | it moves to the center without interruption |
| 06:32.31 | JademusSreg | I'll just make a demonstration map. |
| 06:32.37 | yttrium | but then attempts to override make it glitchy |
| 06:32.38 | yttrium | dammit |
| 06:33.12 | yttrium | parth, tell me how that works out' |
| 06:33.21 | yttrium | i'm gunna clean up the victory screen for now |
| 06:33.30 | Parthon | I will |
| 06:33.39 | yttrium | wait a minute- |
| 06:33.47 | yttrium | that one required nothing... |
| 06:33.50 | yttrium | is this time-based? |
| 06:34.55 | yttrium | nah |
| 06:34.59 | yttrium | just a strange bug, it's not |
| 06:36.37 | JademusSreg | Your input is move order based, yes? Via right click, I take it? |
| 06:36.54 | Bounty | This is pissing me off JademusSreg lol |
| 06:36.58 | Bounty | wtf is up with these shadows |
| 06:37.01 | Bounty | nothing im trying is working |
| 06:37.09 | JademusSreg | No matter. I'll just go ahead and improve on that in my demo, ytt. |
| 06:37.16 | yttrium | yes, it is |
| 06:37.28 | yttrium | if you want to test it, search up "worm wars" on bnet |
| 06:37.33 | Parthon | haha, thought so, infinite loop crash |
| 06:37.48 | Bounty | Its doing it for shadows of EVERYTHING |
| 06:37.52 | Bounty | not just the buildings |
| 06:38.35 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I wonder if perhaps it's a property of the model assets. Try changing the assets in the model data? |
| 06:38.57 | Bounty | only thing i saw relevant to shadows was for low settings |
| 06:39.13 | JademusSreg | No thanks, ytt. I'll make my demo, see if you enjoy the movement system. |
| 06:39.56 | yttrium | alrighty |
| 06:41.04 | Bounty | Should i even worry about it at this stage Jade? |
| 06:41.09 | Bounty | or just get a playable game out first |
| 06:41.17 | JademusSreg | Playable. =D |
| 06:41.28 | Bounty | i got it running at 120+ fps btw |
| 06:41.32 | Bounty | disabling those lights |
| 06:41.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:42.25 | JademusSreg | Getting stuck on that would be like stubbing your toe then spending six hours destubifying everything in the vicinity, when you were supposed to leave for work six hours ago. |
| 06:42.35 | Bounty | not even gonna read what u just tsaid |
| 06:42.42 | Bounty | but i assume its complicated yet funny |
| 06:42.50 | JademusSreg | See? There ya go. Focused. |
| 06:42.52 | Bounty | =P |
| 06:43.06 | Bounty | workin on the ghetto right now |
| 06:43.13 | Bounty | should be easy for me to make |
| 06:43.16 | Bounty | since i live in Jersey |
| 06:44.18 | yttrium | bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha |
| 06:44.24 | yttrium | that victory screen is beautiful |
| 06:44.36 | yttrium | bounty, that's terrible |
| 06:44.41 | yttrium | not all of NJ is ghettos! |
| 06:44.44 | Parthon | ytt: it works :( |
| 06:44.49 | Bounty | i live in South Jersey |
| 06:44.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:45.03 | yttrium | ...oh lol |
| 06:45.11 | yttrium | parth, huh? |
| 06:45.26 | Parthon | needs some more bug fixing, but so far it works oaky |
| 06:45.27 | Parthon | okay |
| 06:45.47 | yttrium | can you up it to mediafire or something? |
| 06:45.53 | yttrium | or pub to bnet? |
| 06:46.56 | Parthon | I can push it to the web, that's no problem |
| 06:47.26 | Parthon | two bugs still need to work out, sometimes the trigger system eats a move order |
| 06:47.33 | Parthon | and it only works for one unit at a time |
| 06:47.59 | yttrium | one unit per player, or one unit in total? |
| 06:48.16 | Parthon | one unit in total |
| 06:48.21 | Parthon | I'm thinking up a work-around |
| 06:48.48 | yttrium | just make it dynamic (no specified players), or if that isn't possible i _could_ just dupe it |
| 06:48.54 | yttrium | if worst comesd to worst |
| 06:50.30 | yttrium | ...oh man this is sweet |
| 06:50.38 | Bounty | im gonna lol so hard if this ends up being the map i make that gets popular |
| 06:50.41 | yttrium | i was able to contact various artists and get permission to include their songs in the map :# |
| 06:50.46 | Parthon | nice :D |
| 06:50.55 | Parthon | Bounty: lol |
| 06:51.01 | JademusSreg | Ah, nice. |
| 06:51.13 | yttrium | ex. cafe tacuba and the plastic league |
| 06:51.16 | Parthon | yttrium: would you be okay with one unit per player? |
| 06:51.21 | yttrium | yeah |
| 06:51.23 | yttrium | that's all i need |
| 06:51.26 | Parthon | okay, I have a new idea |
| 06:51.38 | yttrium | each player only controls one unit, that's the point of snake |
| 06:51.46 | yttrium | all the other units are actually just set to follow that one unit |
| 06:51.47 | Parthon | how many players? |
| 06:51.49 | yttrium | 12 |
| 06:51.58 | JademusSreg | I got C418 permission to include some of his work in Photon Cycles. Glad some people have respect for the artists. =D |
| 06:52.07 | yttrium | :3 |
| 06:52.30 | Bounty | Jade |
| 06:52.35 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:52.35 | Bounty | What should i make the end of map bounds? |
| 06:52.38 | Bounty | water? |
| 06:52.50 | Bounty | or mountains |
| 06:53.08 | JademusSreg | Naw. Walls or something like that. Only do water if you want to let people drive into it an die. |
| 06:53.14 | JademusSreg | *and |
| 06:53.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:53.27 | yttrium | damn jade |
| 06:53.34 | Bounty | yeah but its a city man |
| 06:53.35 | yttrium | just found a vid of cycles |
| 06:53.36 | Bounty | walls? |
| 06:53.40 | yttrium | c418 would be GREAT there |
| 06:53.41 | yttrium | whoa |
| 06:53.58 | JademusSreg | Thanks. |
| 06:54.45 | JademusSreg | I've got 3 of his tracks in there now, and in the next update, now that the mod stability issue has been officially fixed, I can include more music. |
| 06:55.13 | ________________ | ur map was unstable? |
| 06:55.34 | JademusSreg | Way back in the day, when I was testing music, I made 3 separate mods for music. |
| 06:55.57 | JademusSreg | And it turns out mods were causing drops if people idled in the lobby for a short time. |
| 06:56.11 | JademusSreg | Bizarre, I know. But it's apparently fixed now. |
| 06:57.57 | Bounty | yeah i saw that jade |
| 06:58.08 | Bounty | to bad they did that after i deleted SC2 and all of my maps |
| 06:58.10 | Parthon | okay dokay |
| 06:58.12 | Parthon | still testing |
| 06:58.42 | Parthon | one unit per player |
| 06:58.49 | Parthon | still gobbles orders |
| 06:59.30 | Bounty | If this map doesnt popular JademusSreg i should just give the fuck up 100% for good lol |
| 07:00.01 | JademusSreg | You always say that. Just make shit you enjoy, maaan. |
| 07:00.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:00.05 | Bounty | Bountys first non wasd map |
| 07:00.27 | Bounty | yeah but this map is the first time im going against the number one complaint i get |
| 07:00.29 | Bounty | and thats wasd |
| 07:00.30 | Bounty | no wasd |
| 07:00.33 | Bounty | simple controls |
| 07:00.43 | Bounty | WHAT MOAR DO YOU WANT FROM MEH GOD |
| 07:00.55 | Currydevil | tfgh controls. doo eeet |
| 07:01.14 | Bounty | These are the most simple controls in gaming history |
| 07:02.09 | Bounty | yeah i said it |
| 07:02.16 | Bounty | in GAMING HISTORY |
| 07:03.15 | JademusSreg | I bet I could argue against that if I bothered to go looking, but fuck it. =D |
| 07:03.38 | Bounty | Well i mean u and i both know u cant get more simple than these controls lol |
| 07:03.42 | Bounty | u cant go below 1 |
| 07:03.47 | JademusSreg | Dragon Quest might be simpler. |
| 07:04.00 | Bounty | than one button controls? |
| 07:05.06 | JademusSreg | Well, in yours you have to move a mouse and click. Dragon Quest just had you moving a control stick in a direction to indicate your choices. |
| 07:05.49 | JademusSreg | Not even counting degrees of freedom or anything like that, it's one less control than your setup. =D |
| 07:06.03 | Parthon | yttrium: I'm 99% finished, just one more bit that's not working |
| 07:06.12 | Bounty | well shit |
| 07:06.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:06.16 | Bounty | i got nothin :( |
| 07:07.47 | ________________ | How do I disable the 'worker under attack thing' but only for drones? |
| 07:08.35 | Parthon | set the drone to not be a worker? |
| 07:08.42 | JademusSreg | Make them not worker, I would imagine. |
| 07:08.43 | ________________ | the flag isnt checked |
| 07:08.45 | Parthon | although, I think there's a combat alert you can turn off |
| 07:08.51 | JademusSreg | Disable town alert flag? |
| 07:08.53 | Currydevil | there is, I believe |
| 07:08.58 | ________________ | thats not checked either |
| 07:09.03 | yttrium | how do i report type of unit instead of specific unit? |
| 07:09.03 | ________________ | neither does it exist on the unit |
| 07:09.18 | Parthon | nah |
| 07:09.26 | Currydevil | did you look in Alerts? |
| 07:09.30 | Currydevil | there's all sorts |
| 07:09.33 | yttrium | ex. " condition - Unit - Any Unit Enters a distance of 1.0 from [UNIT TYPE]" |
| 07:09.45 | ________________ | but i only want to disable enable it for certain units |
| 07:09.50 | ________________ | not all in 1 swoop |
| 07:09.59 | yttrium | instead of "condition - Unit - Any Unit Enters a distance of 1.0 from [SPECIFIC UNIT]" |
| 07:10.00 | Bounty | Has anyone actually made a map with full destructible environments yet JademusSreg? |
| 07:10.06 | yttrium | ...err i mean event, not condition |
| 07:10.18 | ________________ | yytrium, you cant |
| 07:10.23 | ________________ | bcuz custom events can't be made |
| 07:10.33 | yttrium | i mean |
| 07:10.50 | yttrium | is there a long series of values that would actually convert to unit type instead of specific unit? |
| 07:10.53 | ________________ | no |
| 07:10.58 | Parthon | yttrium: nups, afraid not |
| 07:10.59 | yttrium | damn |
| 07:11.05 | yttrium | so i have to make this trigger for every player |
| 07:11.05 | yttrium | sigh |
| 07:11.10 | yttrium | it's warcraft all over again |
| 07:11.24 | Parthon | haha |
| 07:11.45 | Parthon | attach a region to a player unit and do it that way? |
| 07:11.54 | Parthon | not that it makes it any easier actually |
| 07:13.42 | ________________ | ya there is no difference in the flags between a probe and pheonix |
| 07:13.48 | ________________ | so i dunno wtf |
| 07:14.05 | AlphA_VsT | how abotu any unit |
| 07:14.14 | AlphA_VsT | and setting the unit type in condtion |
| 07:14.15 | AlphA_VsT | omg |
| 07:14.20 | AlphA_VsT | SO HARD! |
| 07:14.27 | ________________ | u cant do that |
| 07:14.32 | ________________ | i mean |
| 07:14.32 | AlphA_VsT | yes you can |
| 07:14.35 | ________________ | he wanted |
| 07:14.36 | ________________ | only events |
| 07:14.40 | ________________ | thats wat i meant |
| 07:15.18 | AlphA_VsT | well thats fucking stupid |
| 07:15.24 | AlphA_VsT | it doesnt work liek that |
| 07:15.29 | AlphA_VsT | thats what conditons are for |
| 07:15.34 | Parthon | ________________: I found it .. but I dunno if that's how it works |
| 07:15.42 | ________________ | orly parthon? |
| 07:16.15 | Parthon | like, it's not an event, it's a help sound |
| 07:16.50 | Parthon | so you turn it off in the drone actor -> sounds -> sound help -> clear it |
| 07:16.55 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 07:17.35 | ________________ | hrm, now im set on how to define a unit as a worker |
| 07:17.48 | ________________ | cuz i want to broaden this |
| 07:18.02 | AlphA_VsT | its a flag |
| 07:18.04 | Parthon | well, the actor doesn't care about the unit properties, it just plays that sound when one of them gets hurt |
| 07:18.12 | ________________ | the flag on the unit that says worker does nothing |
| 07:18.17 | Parthon | it doesn't |
| 07:18.22 | ________________ | ive checked and unchecked it |
| 07:18.24 | ________________ | nothing changed |
| 07:18.32 | Parthon | but you can create abilities that deliberately target or avoid just workers |
| 07:18.38 | AlphA_VsT | well when i check it my untis come as as idle workers |
| 07:18.39 | ________________ | true |
| 07:18.39 | AlphA_VsT | so |
| 07:18.45 | Parthon | abilities, effects and behaviours can use that flag |
| 07:18.57 | ________________ | so then how would i disable it for a unit that is predefined as a worker? |
| 07:19.01 | ________________ | like a drone |
| 07:19.10 | Parthon | yttrium: still at 95% complete, I'm stuck on how to fix this last error, lol |
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| 07:19.29 | Parthon | ________________: remove the sound alert from the actor |
| 07:19.31 | yttrium | no biggie, take your time |
| 07:19.34 | ________________ | ~worker |
| 07:19.34 | purl | Highly configurable graphical Filemanager for X. URL: http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~hoffmanr/ |
| 07:19.34 | yttrium | setting this damn thing up |
| 07:19.47 | JademusSreg | ~gangsta |
| 07:19.47 | purl | gangsta is probably best described at this http://pastebin.com/RZUecsKP page. |
| 07:19.55 | Parthon | yttrium: well, what's happening is that user-made orders are being gobbled up by the automatic orders |
| 07:19.58 | ________________ | I could do it each by each removingthe sound from the actor |
| 07:20.11 | ________________ | lol o wow jades |
| 07:20.36 | Parthon | ________________: it looks like the "your workers are under attack" sound is not an event though |
| 07:20.49 | ________________ | what do u mean its not an event? |
| 07:21.29 | Parthon | it's not an actor event |
| 07:21.39 | ________________ | oh, ya i cant find it anywhere |
| 07:21.50 | ________________ | i dunno what defines a drone, probe, or scv as a worker |
| 07:22.00 | yttrium | exactly |
| 07:22.02 | yttrium | that was happening to me |
| 07:22.17 | Parthon | the worker flag does |
| 07:22.23 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 07:22.26 | AlphA_VsT | it does |
| 07:22.30 | AlphA_VsT | I have said so |
| 07:22.34 | ________________ | but it isnt checked on drones. scvs, or probes |
| 07:22.44 | Parthon | but the "your workers are under attack" sound has nothing to do with the flag |
| 07:23.10 | ________________ | if its a worker, and it gets attacked, it will yield the sound |
| 07:23.30 | Parthon | if it's not a worker, and it gets attacked, it will yield the sound too |
| 07:23.32 | Parthon | that's what I mean |
| 07:23.40 | ________________ | no.. it won't |
| 07:23.46 | Parthon | doesn't it now? |
| 07:23.55 | ________________ | there's never been a sound saying "your ghosts are under attack" |
| 07:24.02 | Parthon | FFS, you twit |
| 07:24.12 | Parthon | marine under attack: "We could use some help here." |
| 07:24.29 | ________________ | theres also a ping though |
| 07:24.30 | ________________ | etc. |
| 07:24.34 | ________________ | im trying to disable all that |
| 07:25.38 | Parthon | and ghosts say "It's getting too hot" |
| 07:26.13 | Parthon | yeah, that ping still happens even if you turn off the worker flag, correct? |
| 07:26.23 | AlphA_VsT | probes are marked as "worker" |
| 07:26.28 | AlphA_VsT | so you are wrong |
| 07:26.44 | ________________ | i looked 2 seconds ago, at all 3 |
| 07:26.50 | ________________ | none have the flag checked |
| 07:26.52 | ________________ | on the unit |
| 07:26.57 | AlphA_VsT | FieldProbe |
| 07:26.57 | AlphA_VsT | Unit: Flags +Turnable, Movable, Worker, Cannot Be Clicked, Cannot Be Highlighted, No Tooltip, Prevent Destroy, Use Line of Sight, Kill Credit, Show Resources |
| 07:27.04 | ________________ | 1 sec |
| 07:27.05 | AlphA_VsT | yeah? |
| 07:27.37 | AlphA_VsT | and the marine "we could use some help here" is a damage response |
| 07:27.37 | Parthon | yttrium: I'm thinking about some kind of boolean flag, but even that would work |
| 07:27.48 | Parthon | I with there was a way to determine if the order was by trigger or by the player |
| 07:28.01 | AlphA_VsT | why? |
| 07:28.26 | yttrium | why the hell do death detections have to be so complicated? |
| 07:28.27 | yttrium | http://pastebin.com/zPGX78HB |
| 07:28.30 | ________________ | http://imgur.com/bubEP |
| 07:28.30 | Parthon | err, because I need it |
| 07:28.32 | ________________ | a drone |
| 07:28.38 | ________________ | no flag, still get the worker stuff |
| 07:28.59 | Parthon | that's because I have said 20 times that the worker stuff has nothing to do with the flag |
| 07:29.03 | ________________ | but anyways, thats beside the point |
| 07:29.05 | ________________ | parthon |
| 07:29.10 | ________________ | calm your tits |
| 07:29.18 | ________________ | thank you for the sound help |
| 07:29.27 | ________________ | i was showing the other guy |
| 07:29.42 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: the "drones are under attack" is a damage response |
| 07:29.56 | Parthon | not sure what causes the ping though |
| 07:30.19 | Parthon | does that happen with other units, or just workers? |
| 07:30.31 | ________________ | I don't remember seeing it for others, but its ok |
| 07:30.33 | ________________ | I can live with it |
| 07:30.39 | AlphA_VsT | thats a worker thing |
| 07:31.56 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: I have a trigger that saves the order details, so when I get an order from the player, then one from a different trigger, I can't tell which is which |
| 07:32.52 | AlphA_VsT | well you should save the orders to a variable array and if a new order is placed... |
| 07:33.18 | Parthon | and what? |
| 07:33.31 | Parthon | now I have two conflicting orders |
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| 07:33.59 | QueenG | hi everyone |
| 07:34.00 | AlphA_VsT | if you save the orders to an array, and then check the orders for any new orders not set by triggers |
| 07:34.05 | AlphA_VsT | you know its from the player |
| 07:34.29 | Parthon | that's the problem, the trigger can't tell which ones are from triggers and which ones are from the player |
| 07:34.37 | Parthon | so all I get is two orders and I don't know which one's which |
| 07:35.03 | AlphA_VsT | set it as an orders[move][trigger or not] |
| 07:35.06 | Parthon | I was thinking of just responding to the first order and ignoring the rest |
| 07:35.24 | Parthon | there's no functionality for that |
| 07:36.01 | AlphA_VsT | so if you order a issue with with a trigger do orders[1][1] and if its a player just do orders[1][0] |
| 07:37.01 | Parthon | I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying |
| 07:37.08 | AlphA_VsT | probably not |
| 07:37.08 | QueenG | question, how do I download my published maps? this is a new computer. I went through the GE and logged in but couldnt search nor find my map |
| 07:37.27 | AlphA_VsT | manage published |
| 07:37.36 | AlphA_VsT | you should really backup maps 0.o |
| 07:37.36 | QueenG | alrighty sounds simple thanks |
| 07:37.46 | AlphA_VsT | and any other important data |
| 07:38.10 | QueenG | well it wasnt important when i quit sc2 awhile back, but now out of a whim i reinstalled it and played a few custom games ;) |
| 07:38.26 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: the problem is that I have a trigger that responds to orders, but the trigger-action orders are interfering with it |
| 07:39.13 | Bounty | WOOOOOOOOOOHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW |
| 07:39.14 | AlphA_VsT | so then check if they have any orders before you issue the order with a trigger |
| 07:40.09 | AlphA_VsT | maybe this shit only makes sense to me |
| 07:42.04 | Parthon | yeah, they don't have any orders when I issue the order |
| 07:42.20 | Parthon | then next frame, the player order is on the order queue, and the trigger order is too |
| 07:42.20 | AlphA_VsT | then what's the issue |
| 07:42.24 | Parthon | and there's no way to tell them apart |
| 07:42.55 | Parthon | it takes a game frame for an order to be issued then set off the trigger |
| 07:43.04 | AlphA_VsT | so you throw it in the game thread and check it |
| 07:43.05 | Parthon | I have a work around, but I don't like it, but it should work, going to test it |
| 07:43.26 | Parthon | check it how? |
| 07:44.01 | AlphA_VsT | compare the old order to the current order |
| 07:44.16 | AlphA_VsT | and if its the same you know that the player didnt do anything |
| 07:46.44 | QueenG | im at the "managed publish' window, I have 3 maps that are mine thats in purple, the download and open in editor buttons are greyed out, how to resolve this issue/? |
| 07:47.06 | Parthon | yeah, and if the player did do something, you store the new order and ignore the automatic one |
| 07:47.35 | Parthon | I have to test that, because the old order and the order that comes in by trigger might not match |
| 07:47.52 | yttrium | okay so uh |
| 07:47.55 | AlphA_VsT | you cant QueenG tis how you uplaoded them to be locked |
| 07:48.05 | yttrium | what is the data editor value to make units arc when trying to make a sharp turn? |
| 07:48.13 | QueenG | aah okay thanks AlphA |
| 07:48.15 | yttrium | like most air units do |
| 07:48.21 | QueenG | it was a longshot anyway |
| 07:48.24 | yttrium | can that gradual turn be applied to ground? |
| 07:48.24 | AlphA_VsT | slow turn rate |
| 07:48.30 | AlphA_VsT | move whiel turning |
| 07:48.37 | Bounty | You there JademusSreg? |
| 07:48.49 | Parthon | yttrium: turn rate |
| 07:48.49 | QueenG | anyway to bypass? |
| 07:48.51 | yttrium | the turn rate entry just changes the model rotating |
| 07:48.55 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:48.59 | yttrium | iirc it doesn't affect actual pathing |
| 07:49.11 | Bounty | having an issue importing your XML file |
| 07:49.12 | Bounty | it says |
| 07:49.25 | Bounty | The following files are using reserved file names and cannot be imported |
| 07:49.34 | yttrium | yeah, turn rate only affects the model, not the trajectory |
| 07:49.36 | Parthon | yttrium: lateral acceleration? |
| 07:49.44 | Bounty | No idea wtf that means lol |
| 07:49.52 | JademusSreg | That's odd. |
| 07:49.54 | Parthon | sideways acceleration :P |
| 07:49.59 | Bounty | .sc2layout right? |
| 07:50.26 | JademusSreg | .SC2Layout yeah. |
| 07:50.35 | Bounty | well shit |
| 07:50.48 | yttrium | lateral acceleration smooths out turns |
| 07:50.54 | yttrium | but i can still instantly turn around |
| 07:50.56 | JademusSreg | And after importing, you define it in the Custom Layout field in the Game UI data in the data editor. |
| 07:51.05 | Bounty | yeah i know that |
| 07:51.08 | Bounty | but it wont let me improt it |
| 07:51.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:51.11 | JademusSreg | What did you name the file? |
| 07:51.27 | Bounty | Minimap.SC2Layout |
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| 07:51.39 | JademusSreg | Change the name. |
| 07:51.41 | AlphA_VsT | sure you dont have like .txt hidden at the end |
| 07:51.48 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 07:51.51 | JademusSreg | MoMinimapMoProblems.SC2Layout |
| 07:52.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:52.07 | Bounty | changed it to MinimapBro |
| 07:52.09 | Bounty | worked |
| 07:52.13 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:52.29 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 07:53.13 | Bounty | time to see if this bad boy works |
| 07:53.21 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 07:54.23 | Bounty | btw |
| 07:54.29 | Bounty | alcohol helps terraining |
| 07:54.32 | Bounty | ALOT |
| 07:54.39 | QueenG | darn, is there anyway to bypass this lock? |
| 07:54.40 | Bounty | if your not a pro terrain guy |
| 07:56.54 | AlphA_VsT | no QueenG, thats why its locked |
| 07:57.04 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: far out, that took a lot of work, but it worked :/ |
| 07:57.13 | AlphA_VsT | haha :D |
| 07:57.16 | AlphA_VsT | yaya |
| 07:57.23 | QueenG | darn darn |
| 07:57.39 | QueenG | I could make the map from the ground up i guess |
| 07:57.46 | Parthon | so now it can tell between trigger order and player order |
| 07:57.56 | AlphA_VsT | you have to :P |
| 07:57.58 | QueenG | I dont know how long ill be playing sc2 |
| 07:58.12 | Parthon | FOREVEEEERRRR |
| 07:58.20 | QueenG | To the drawing board! |
| 07:58.22 | QueenG | yay |
| 07:58.23 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 07:58.26 | Bounty | do me a favor pal? :) |
| 07:58.41 | AlphA_VsT | MAKE IT BETTER, QueenG |
| 07:58.46 | QueenG | hells yea |
| 07:58.52 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: so the last part is to ignore the auto order, if it's received a player order :S |
| 07:58.56 | QueenG | I will add pink sparkles |
| 07:58.59 | QueenG | brb |
| 07:59.34 | AlphA_VsT | jsut dont issue the order... |
| 08:00.02 | AlphA_VsT | simple :D |
| 08:01.03 | QueenG | ADHD kicks in |
| 08:01.13 | QueenG | Alpha ill pay you to make a map for me :O |
| 08:01.26 | AlphA_VsT | ok 75 bucks an hour |
| 08:01.38 | QueenG | hehe, ill get someone younger |
| 08:01.40 | AlphA_VsT | sounds fair |
| 08:01.52 | QueenG | ill pay them a dollar |
| 08:02.14 | QueenG | asked a guy to help make a plugin on Minecraft, he was asking 100 bucks an hour |
| 08:02.27 | Parthon | lol |
| 08:02.27 | QueenG | found a kid 10 minutes later he was like, " okay sure ill do it!!!!!!!" |
| 08:02.36 | Parthon | what kind of map QueenG? |
| 08:02.56 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 08:03.43 | QueenG | We used to call it Tug of war maps on Starcraft 1, its where 2 teams battle it out by econ managing their allie computer players. They decide what units to be sent to the battlefield and when |
| 08:04.15 | Parthon | so like nexus wars |
| 08:04.20 | Parthon | what makes yours different? |
| 08:04.33 | Parthon | .. dang it |
| 08:04.43 | yttrium | difference looks like he doesn't build buildings that autospawn |
| 08:04.44 | Parthon | I wanted to use an if-then-else-if .. but it doesn't make sense! |
| 08:04.47 | yttrium | but spends an income |
| 08:04.48 | QueenG | well this morning they announced that bukkit is now part of Minecraft and there will be an official release of API (if you dont know what i just said then dont ask hehe) |
| 08:04.50 | yttrium | or something to that extent |
| 08:04.55 | QueenG | so i might just stick with mc |
| 08:05.13 | Parthon | oh, lol ^_^ |
| 08:05.21 | QueenG | yea its like nexus wars |
| 08:05.30 | QueenG | but gooder-er |
| 08:05.45 | yttrium | anyone remember warcraft 3 civilization wars? |
| 08:05.49 | yttrium | that was the bomb. |
| 08:05.54 | QueenG | now that was a fun map yttrium |
| 08:06.31 | AlphA_VsT | didnt play wc3 enough |
| 08:06.53 | yttrium | excellent |
| 08:06.59 | yttrium | i've made proper death detection systems |
| 08:07.01 | yttrium | fixed my ending |
| 08:07.03 | yttrium | eliminated lag |
| 08:07.06 | yttrium | implemented music |
| 08:07.12 | yttrium | created dialog popups... |
| 08:07.15 | yttrium | all in three hours |
| 08:07.17 | yttrium | productive night! |
| 08:07.22 | QueenG | winning |
| 08:07.44 | QueenG | oh wait its 2012, we say things like 'yay you took it to the knee' or some shit |
| 08:07.57 | Parthon | nah, it's 2012, that meme is old |
| 08:07.58 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 08:08.09 | Parthon | yttrium: in 20 minutes, you'll have your movement code |
| 08:08.23 | yttrium | excellent |
| 08:08.34 | yttrium | what a really productive night, damn |
| 08:08.46 | Parthon | I just have to work out how to use if-then-else-if |
| 08:10.04 | Parthon | I thought it was like if-then-else |
| 08:10.17 | QueenG | oh hai sixen long time |
| 08:10.19 | QueenG | nvm |
| 08:10.50 | Parthon | there's no conditions |
| 08:10.51 | AlphA_VsT | Just use if then else |
| 08:10.56 | AlphA_VsT | and stack them :P |
| 08:10.58 | AlphA_VsT | same thing |
| 08:10.58 | Parthon | and adding an action doesn't make sense |
| 08:11.11 | JademusSreg | Almost done with the little demo. |
| 08:11.18 | AlphA_VsT | what demo? |
| 08:11.50 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/test.SC2Map yes its my evade abiltiy |
| 08:12.13 | JademusSreg | Demonstrating ideal worm movement controls. |
| 08:12.26 | AlphA_VsT | worm? |
| 08:12.28 | AlphA_VsT | fun |
| 08:12.56 | JademusSreg | ytt up there is working on a worm map, I think. |
| 08:13.04 | yttrium | ayup |
| 08:13.24 | JademusSreg | Rather than some convoluted event-based perpetual motion, I'll demonstrate my approach. |
| 08:13.36 | QueenG | Does OneTwo still come online? |
| 08:14.01 | JademusSreg | ~seen OneTwo |
| 08:14.08 | purl | onetwo <ae070843@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.8.67> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 154d 9h 55m 37s ago, saying: 'hmm gonna do some research'. |
| 08:14.28 | QueenG | awhile ago |
| 08:14.32 | QueenG | I liked him he was a good map maker |
| 08:14.50 | Parthon | gg blizz, for being so obtuse |
| 08:15.16 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 08:15.46 | Parthon | using if-then-else-if, and it's all set up right, but the editor is telling me it's still broken |
| 08:15.57 | AlphA_VsT | just stack if then else |
| 08:16.04 | AlphA_VsT | its less confusing |
| 08:16.07 | AlphA_VsT | and the same thing |
| 08:16.38 | Parthon | then it will be nested 40 times |
| 08:16.48 | AlphA_VsT | why? |
| 08:16.51 | Parthon | how is that less confusing |
| 08:16.58 | Parthon | cause it's long |
| 08:17.01 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 08:17.28 | Parthon | because there's lots of different states of conditions to check for |
| 08:17.36 | AlphA_VsT | sounds like you need a loop |
| 08:17.43 | Parthon | REALLY?! |
| 08:17.58 | AlphA_VsT | not 40 if then elses |
| 08:18.01 | Parthon | the conditions aren't something that can be looped through |
| 08:18.26 | AlphA_VsT | what are you checking for? |
| 08:19.23 | Parthon | actually, it's more than the action require by the condition depends on the unit |
| 08:19.32 | Parthon | so what is in the "then" is different |
| 08:19.34 | AlphA_VsT | i need a good effect for my shout point |
| 08:22.14 | AlphA_VsT | i iwll use 3d point markers lol |
| 08:22.45 | Parthon | gah |
| 08:23.07 | Parthon | okay, it "works" .. but there's still some bugs |
| 08:23.35 | Parthon | blizz, why you make everything so annoying? |
| 08:24.16 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/WormMovementDemo.SC2Map |
| 08:24.16 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 08:24.32 | AlphA_VsT | PLAY TIME |
| 08:24.35 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: I can ignore the second order, but it still gets applied to the movement |
| 08:24.58 | AlphA_VsT | what do u mean? |
| 08:25.18 | Parthon | exactly what I sadi |
| 08:25.19 | Parthon | said* |
| 08:25.26 | AlphA_VsT | if you have an order you shouldnt be issuing a order |
| 08:25.41 | AlphA_VsT | right? |
| 08:25.43 | Parthon | I'm not |
| 08:26.03 | Parthon | there's a loop that continuously issues orders to a unit to keep it moving in the same direction |
| 08:26.14 | AlphA_VsT | oh |
| 08:26.37 | Parthon | if the player orders the unit to move, there's a chance it's on the same frame as the automatic order |
| 08:26.40 | JademusSreg | Take a look ,see how it's done. |
| 08:26.47 | AlphA_VsT | so apply a Boolean and check if its on or off before it gets the order |
| 08:27.01 | Parthon | that won't work |
| 08:27.11 | AlphA_VsT | why not? |
| 08:27.26 | AlphA_VsT | the loop wont issue the order |
| 08:27.40 | Parthon | I want the loop to issue the order |
| 08:27.47 | Parthon | this is an order the loop issued last frame |
| 08:27.57 | JademusSreg | Take a look at the map, Parth and ytt. |
| 08:28.02 | AlphA_VsT | wtf is with the lighting |
| 08:28.06 | AlphA_VsT | SO DARK! |
| 08:28.10 | Parthon | JademusSreg: dang, GE code ;) |
| 08:28.35 | Parthon | that's pretty cool |
| 08:28.38 | JademusSreg | That was a demo for a Holoclone ability before I added the script for worm movement. |
| 08:29.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 08:29.11 | AlphA_VsT | but tis so dark |
| 08:29.17 | AlphA_VsT | like blackness |
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| 08:29.54 | JademusSreg | Do I need to change the lighting for your delicate visual sensibilities? =D |
| 08:30.17 | Parthon | JademusSreg: how about a version that works from right-click? |
| 08:30.55 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: there's no way to go "if the player is going to issue an order next frame, don't issue an order now" |
| 08:31.19 | JademusSreg | I used Yaw because it avoids the issue of order conflicts entirely, and because it removes the very annoyance of spamming click. |
| 08:31.38 | Parthon | yeah, simplifies the problem greatly, that's for sure |
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| 08:31.43 | yttrium | jade, I like it, but would there be any way to change the elevation of the camera? |
| 08:31.49 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 08:31.50 | yttrium | like the scroll wheel normally does? |
| 08:31.53 | JademusSreg | That's default camera. |
| 08:32.01 | yttrium | I mean like |
| 08:32.04 | Parthon | the last bug I have is order conflict |
| 08:32.07 | yttrium | here |
| 08:32.15 | yttrium | go to bnet and search "star shooter defense" |
| 08:32.16 | AlphA_VsT | repalce orders and stop orders if the orders dont match |
| 08:32.19 | yttrium | i mean a camera like taht |
| 08:32.21 | yttrium | that* |
| 08:32.44 | AlphA_VsT | sure you can |
| 08:32.58 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: in a trigger, you have to issue an order, which then gets put on the action stack for next frame, which then triggers the trigger |
| 08:32.59 | JademusSreg | I'm not gonna look on bnet to see a camera, haha. Anyway, you're welcome to use that code or convert it to GUI, whatever pleases you. |
| 08:33.12 | yttrium | it is nice, so i'll definitely consider it |
| 08:33.26 | yttrium | is all movement script-based? |
| 08:33.36 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 08:33.37 | yttrium | or is there some data entries as well? |
| 08:33.40 | yttrium | ...are there* |
| 08:34.06 | JademusSreg | I script the movement order. |
| 08:34.12 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-02-28%20at%206.11.10%20PM.png camera more liek that? |
| 08:34.15 | yttrium | alright |
| 08:34.35 | JademusSreg | It still depends on the unit's movement speed. |
| 08:34.44 | yttrium | of course |
| 08:35.05 | A1win | you should inrease the camera follow speed, feels a bit shifty now |
| 08:35.18 | Parthon | grr, it would also be helpful if I could call a trigger with a variable |
| 08:35.39 | JademusSreg | You can. |
| 08:35.41 | AlphA_VsT | Parthon, thats why I said to set a variable if it was set by a trigger or not in the very beginning |
| 08:35.43 | JademusSreg | Er, well, I can. |
| 08:35.52 | JademusSreg | Dunno if GUI supports that. |
| 08:36.07 | A1win | use action definitions if you want something that can accept parameters |
| 08:36.11 | A1win | triggers only for catching events |
| 08:36.14 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: yeah, that's not the problem now |
| 08:36.23 | yttrium | jade, i don't plan to convert this ti GUI |
| 08:36.26 | yttrium | to* |
| 08:37.05 | AlphA_VsT | well i guess I dont get it :D |
| 08:37.13 | AlphA_VsT | makes sense in my head |
| 08:37.22 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: well, what variable would I set, and how would it work? |
| 08:37.38 | AlphA_VsT | ok... |
| 08:37.53 | AlphA_VsT | wait i need a flow chat for this |
| 08:41.19 | JademusSreg | I wrote it out very explicitly, should be trivial to convert if one had the ambition. |
| 08:42.54 | JademusSreg | Good design minimizes the amount of meaningless actions a player has to make to do something. |
| 08:43.39 | Parthon | but without reducing meaningful actions |
| 08:44.21 | Parthon | I lot of bad design comes from over minimization |
| 08:45.10 | JademusSreg | Kind of like how Photon Cycles grew out of me just observing that TronCraft Rebirth has lots of clicking, entirely too much, and I figured I could improve on the idea. So one controls the cycle using camera yaw; camera properties are already synchronized, so there's no additional overhead like there is with syncing player input from mouse or key. |
| 08:46.40 | JademusSreg | Contrast that with Diablo 3 reducing item identification to a single click, no scrolls, so there's no resource to manage. It's an additional, meaningless action. |
| 08:46.43 | Parthon | yeah, that's a good example of correct minimisation |
| 08:46.59 | Parthon | yeah, d3 one should be auto |
| 08:47.14 | Parthon | I liked another game I played though, identifying took like 30-60 seconds |
| 08:47.37 | Parthon | and you could do other actions in the mean time, so clicking to identify was meaningful, because you would do that, then go to fighting |
| 08:48.04 | A1win | that doesn't sound any better |
| 08:48.09 | Parthon | it became another resource to be managed, but without being boring |
| 08:48.18 | Parthon | in the context of the game, it worked really well |
| 08:48.33 | JademusSreg | Time is a resource, the most fundamental resource. |
| 08:48.40 | AlphA_VsT | Parthon, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/orders.jpg ther eyou go... |
| 08:48.42 | AlphA_VsT | simple |
| 08:48.52 | A1win | but if you can do other actions while doing it? or was there so much to be identified that you'd have to keep doing it all the time? |
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| 08:49.30 | JademusSreg | So pretty nearly any other resource can be reduced to a function of time. Which is useful for establishing baseline constants for balance modeling. |
| 08:49.40 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: that doesn't make sense |
| 08:49.46 | AlphA_VsT | YES IT DOES! |
| 08:50.52 | Parthon | no, because I'll get a user event |
| 08:51.18 | AlphA_VsT | probably |
| 08:51.38 | Parthon | and then it reissues the order (which will trigger a trigger event next frame) .. and then set the order variable to false .. then I'll get the trigger order event and because order variable is false, they are different, so it will issue the trigger order again |
| 08:51.52 | AlphA_VsT | no it wont |
| 08:51.59 | AlphA_VsT | the thing is off |
| 08:52.04 | AlphA_VsT | so nothing gets ordered |
| 08:52.22 | Parthon | but also, the order has already been applied to the unit, the event is just a trigger reacting to that order |
| 08:52.37 | AlphA_VsT | what ever i give up on you |
| 08:52.48 | Parthon | and every order issued causes a retrigger next frame |
| 08:52.54 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: thank you! |
| 08:53.01 | AlphA_VsT | WELCOME! |
| 08:53.02 | Parthon | your misunderstanding of the problem is causing nothing but anger |
| 08:53.17 | AlphA_VsT | I know what your doing |
| 08:53.41 | Parthon | yes, but your suggestions don't work |
| 08:54.06 | Currydevil | your is angering =P |
| 08:54.29 | AlphA_VsT | fuck fine i will make a silly map :P |
| 08:54.54 | Parthon | go for it |
| 08:55.19 | Parthon | and remember, it has to work for 12 different players |
| 08:57.48 | Parthon | I'm so close as well |
| 08:58.04 | yttrium | How do I get a < to appear using UI - Display? |
| 08:58.19 | yttrium | It tries to parse it. |
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| 08:58.41 | A1win | gah, now I feel like I want to make something Diablo-like but not too similar because D3 is coming out... and in SC2 it wouldn't even be possible because the controls would suck, so the controls would have to be quite different |
| 09:00.41 | yttrium | anyone? |
| 09:00.42 | yttrium | no? |
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| 09:01.42 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 09:02.36 | yttrium | [03:57] <yttrium> How do I get a < to appear using UI - Display? |
| 09:03.16 | JademusSreg | Ah, you need an escape character. |
| 09:03.23 | JademusSreg | Probably / |
| 09:03.39 | JademusSreg | For instance /< |
| 09:04.48 | JademusSreg | However, I'm not quite sure what you're doing. |
| 09:05.16 | yttrium | a simple text field |
| 09:05.19 | yttrium | and i've already tried that |
| 09:05.24 | yttrium | it still tries to parse |
| 09:05.48 | Parthon | yttrium: okay, I got rid of the conflicting order bug, but now if the player clicks very close to himself, he walks, stops, walks |
| 09:06.01 | AlphA_VsT | ok tetsing it |
| 09:06.39 | yttrium | awesome |
| 09:06.55 | AlphA_VsT | you could do diabloi controls just not on bnet :D |
| 09:07.02 | yttrium | Jade, http://i.imgur.com/fMmCt.png |
| 09:07.28 | Parthon | yttrium: after this, I'll try it with the data editor alone :P |
| 09:07.41 | yttrium | someone had a page on the forums for that |
| 09:07.44 | yttrium | using behaviors |
| 09:07.51 | yttrium | but i could not get it to work, maybe you'll have better luck |
| 09:08.05 | Parthon | got a link to the forum? |
| 09:08.12 | JademusSreg | ytt, I don't see the problem. That's a closing markup for color, iirc. |
| 09:08.12 | yttrium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/3562-continuous-movement/ |
| 09:08.29 | yttrium | yeah, but is there any way to make it display just <? |
| 09:09.00 | A1win | AlphA_VsT, yeah but singleplayer games are boring D: |
| 09:09.07 | Parthon | yttrium: thanks |
| 09:09.08 | AlphA_VsT | yeah they can be |
| 09:10.01 | AlphA_VsT | hmmm |
| 09:10.09 | AlphA_VsT | my move is off :P |
| 09:10.37 | AlphA_VsT | its working though |
| 09:10.38 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 09:10.54 | AlphA_VsT | i simplified it also |
| 09:12.22 | AlphA_VsT | ok think its all fixed |
| 09:12.31 | Parthon | so, having the unit continue walking works fine? |
| 09:12.42 | AlphA_VsT | wytf |
| 09:12.48 | AlphA_VsT | yeah it works fine |
| 09:12.49 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 09:13.08 | AlphA_VsT | its just moving down and not facing angle :D |
| 09:13.14 | Parthon | lol |
| 09:13.16 | Parthon | that's funny |
| 09:13.33 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 09:14.00 | JademusSreg | 4:13 am local time. That sounds like a good time to sleep. |
| 09:14.14 | JademusSreg | brb in several hours |
| 09:14.51 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 09:17.08 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: no bugs? |
| 09:17.16 | AlphA_VsT | i was doign it wrong :D |
| 09:18.13 | AlphA_VsT | i dont see any |
| 09:18.28 | AlphA_VsT | i dont think i missed anything |
| 09:18.37 | AlphA_VsT | I think i did what you wanted |
| 09:18.49 | Parthon | far out, then why was mine so complicated? |
| 09:19.24 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/movetest.SC2Map |
| 09:19.28 | AlphA_VsT | test it and let me know |
| 09:20.05 | AlphA_VsT | its really easy once i realized something |
| 09:23.36 | Parthon | if this works, I will rage so hard |
| 09:24.00 | AlphA_VsT | test it let me know if i missed something |
| 09:24.22 | AlphA_VsT | its idle by default, so you have to issue a order to start it |
| 09:25.17 | Parthon | yeah |
| 09:25.23 | Parthon | Idle |
| 09:25.26 | AlphA_VsT | yeah what? |
| 09:25.28 | Parthon | oops |
| 09:25.37 | Parthon | using on idle, I could bring it down to just 1 line |
| 09:26.00 | AlphA_VsT | so it works? |
| 09:26.05 | AlphA_VsT | what you want? |
| 09:26.39 | Parthon | yeah, there's a slight jutter whenever the unit goes idle, but it's very hard to see |
| 09:26.44 | AlphA_VsT | You have to expand it for more than one unit and player but yeah |
| 09:26.48 | Parthon | but it works just as expected |
| 09:26.55 | AlphA_VsT | well good |
| 09:27.33 | AlphA_VsT | i didnt clear any orders or anything like that... |
| 09:28.04 | Parthon | nah, you use when any unit goes idle .. which happens when when the marine runs out of orders |
| 09:28.07 | Parthon | it's a good way to do it |
| 09:28.41 | AlphA_VsT | i also used player is the triggering issuer of the order |
| 09:28.52 | AlphA_VsT | which i wasnt sure would work |
| 09:28.53 | AlphA_VsT | but did |
| 09:29.51 | Parthon | err, it didn't work for me |
| 09:29.58 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 09:30.02 | Parthon | it would always say player 1 |
| 09:30.16 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 09:30.39 | AlphA_VsT | make a for each player and the put a if then else |
| 09:30.46 | AlphA_VsT | move the condtion to the if |
| 09:30.58 | AlphA_VsT | set 1 as the for each variable |
| 09:31.20 | AlphA_VsT | you can also increase teh wait time |
| 09:31.28 | AlphA_VsT | and order them to move further |
| 09:31.41 | Parthon | yeah, I did that, worked well |
| 09:31.55 | Parthon | triggering player is 1, even if the order comes from a trigger |
| 09:31.56 | AlphA_VsT | make it less jumpy :D |
| 09:31.58 | Parthon | I mean an action |
| 09:32.17 | Parthon | yeah, I took out the custom code and boolean variable |
| 09:32.26 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 09:32.26 | eimtr | felafel |
| 09:32.27 | Parthon | just had an idle response, and it worked great |
| 09:32.36 | AlphA_VsT | you need the rest though |
| 09:32.38 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 09:32.42 | Parthon | nups |
| 09:32.52 | Parthon | one line in one trigger |
| 09:33.11 | AlphA_VsT | so how do you tell when they get a new order? |
| 09:33.11 | Parthon | when any unit idles: if unit is marine: order marine to move to location of marine + 5 units in direction of facing |
| 09:33.58 | Parthon | not needed without the while loop |
| 09:34.24 | AlphA_VsT | so all you wanted was a move to on a loop? |
| 09:34.33 | AlphA_VsT | or offset move |
| 09:34.43 | A1win | 11:31:55 < Parthon> triggering player is 1, even if the order comes from a trigger |
| 09:34.46 | A1win | 11:31:58 < Parthon> I mean an action |
| 09:34.48 | A1win | that's true only sometimes |
| 09:34.53 | A1win | you shouldn't count on it |
| 09:35.06 | Parthon | when is it not true |
| 09:35.33 | A1win | when another trigger sets it at the same time |
| 09:35.35 | A1win | well |
| 09:35.41 | A1win | I guess if there are no waits at all, it'll work |
| 09:35.44 | A1win | but it's not a good habit |
| 09:35.51 | A1win | use parameters instead |
| 09:36.23 | A1win | also, what if you change how the action is called, and the triggering player isn't defined anymore |
| 09:37.10 | A1win | you'd have to change all instances of the Triggering player inside that action |
| 09:37.39 | A1win | but if you use a parameter instead, and set that parameter as Triggering player when calling the action, you always know that the player is stored in that parameter |
| 09:37.52 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 09:37.52 | A1win | even if you change the way it's called later on |
| 09:38.39 | Parthon | A1win: yeah, that's why I'm not using it |
| 09:38.42 | Parthon | it's unreliable |
| 09:39.05 | A1win | ah cool, thought you were using it because of what you said |
| 09:39.30 | Parthon | nah, the opposite |
| 09:39.58 | AlphA_VsT | hahaha |
| 09:39.59 | Parthon | you can't use parameters when calling triggers though, so you'd have to make the trigger into an action yeah? |
| 09:40.05 | A1win | yeah |
| 09:40.10 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 09:40.13 | A1win | I only use triggers for catching events |
| 09:40.18 | AlphA_VsT | same |
| 09:40.21 | A1win | and most of the time, I just call an action immediately from the trigger |
| 09:40.25 | Parthon | same |
| 09:40.32 | A1win | unless it's a short trigger |
| 09:40.40 | Parthon | aah okay, I normally do a bit of trigger-related validation before calling an action |
| 09:40.56 | A1win | yea it's not exact science ;p |
| 09:41.41 | Parthon | A1win: what I was trying to do before using 'when idle' was to issue an order every second, but then those orders were clashing with player generated orders and it just got really messy really fast |
| 09:41.58 | A1win | mm... |
| 09:42.22 | AlphA_VsT | ohhh i see now what you mean :P |
| 09:42.42 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: you make me cry |
| 09:43.02 | Parthon | but your solution was much better than mine anyways :D |
| 09:43.46 | A1win | I've been thinking of some kind of a gameplay where the player has abilities that create things on the ground, which then affect things around them and combo with other abilities the player has... just haven't quite grasped what they'd actually do |
| 09:43.49 | AlphA_VsT | i try, i told you i knew what i wass talking about |
| 09:44.05 | A1win | something like spawning small blockades that can be exploded or do somethin when shot or something |
| 09:44.08 | A1win | :E |
| 09:44.17 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 09:44.26 | A1win | I'll make a map where the player has abilities that do something to something and something, yeaah |
| 09:44.30 | Parthon | A1win: like a trap stacking mechanism, that's pretty cool |
| 09:44.51 | yttrium | alrighty, i'm heading out |
| 09:45.01 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: yeah, I failed to get it because I didn't consider on idle, and the 1/second order was still clashing |
| 09:45.03 | yttrium | i'll be here tomorrow night for a continuation |
| 09:45.05 | A1win | not traps necessarily, something more action-paced |
| 09:45.11 | yttrium | night all |
| 09:45.34 | A1win | the demoman sticky bombs from TF2 is a good example of what I'm thinking of |
| 09:45.47 | Parthon | yeah, I consider that a trap |
| 09:45.51 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 09:46.37 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: now I try and do it with data ;) |
| 09:46.57 | A1win | you can change the idle order for units |
| 09:47.15 | A1win | just make it an ability effect - target that issues it a move order to 5 squares ahead? ;p |
| 09:47.33 | A1win | err not effect - target, just a move order |
| 09:47.44 | A1win | if you can give it an offset... |
| 09:48.02 | AlphA_VsT | it needs to be target |
| 09:48.07 | A1win | ah |
| 09:48.10 | Parthon | probably, but the offset would have to be based on the facing |
| 09:48.24 | A1win | they usually are |
| 09:48.26 | AlphA_VsT | its more trouble than its worth |
| 09:48.30 | A1win | hehe |
| 09:48.43 | A1win | damn I'm out of food, need to walk to the store |
| 09:48.49 | A1win | but... lazyness |
| 09:48.53 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 09:49.02 | AlphA_VsT | OH |
| 09:49.56 | Parthon | is it possible to give an ability, that other abilities use? |
| 09:50.02 | Parthon | lemme try that again |
| 09:50.16 | Parthon | it is possible to create a target unit ability, that other autocast abilities use as a target? |
| 09:50.32 | Parthon | I want to modify the medivac to heal only one target |
| 09:50.47 | Parthon | but whenever it's finished healing, it goes back to either idle, or autocast healing everything |
| 09:52.06 | AlphA_VsT | well |
| 09:52.40 | AlphA_VsT | they do allow you set set where you get the information from... |
| 09:52.55 | AlphA_VsT | I don't knwo if it's saved and for how long |
| 09:53.15 | A1win | hmm is there a way to get the 3D point at specific UI coordinates? |
| 09:53.29 | AlphA_VsT | ui? is 2d? |
| 09:53.34 | A1win | yeah |
| 09:53.39 | A1win | the projection I mean |
| 09:53.42 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 09:54.08 | A1win | take a 2D point on the UI, and return the 3D point that is in the world at that point |
| 09:54.08 | Parthon | AlphA_VsT: yeah, I haven't looked into saving data with data :P |
| 09:54.25 | AlphA_VsT | oh.. its possible... |
| 09:54.36 | AlphA_VsT | but you need to have the screen resolution and what not |
| 09:54.43 | AlphA_VsT | they have things for it ive seen :P |
| 09:54.49 | A1win | mmh |
| 09:54.55 | AlphA_VsT | but really its not dependable |
| 09:55.01 | AlphA_VsT | or 100% accurate |
| 09:55.07 | A1win | why not? |
| 09:55.20 | AlphA_VsT | cause its not? |
| 09:55.23 | A1win | x_X |
| 09:55.30 | AlphA_VsT | idono |
| 09:55.37 | A1win | so in other words it's not possible? :P |
| 09:56.08 | A1win | you can get the 3D point the mouse clicks... if there was a way to simulate that |
| 09:56.24 | AlphA_VsT | idono |
| 09:57.47 | A1win | anyway let's assume for a moment it's possible, I had the weirdest idea: there are multiple 2D dots on your UI as overlays, each represents the target for one of your units... and when you move your camera, the unit is ordered to move towards the point the dot is on... and you can move the dots on the UI as well |
| 09:57.59 | A1win | so that you can move your units in different kinds of formations |
| 09:58.51 | A1win | dunno how practical that would be =P |
| 09:59.20 | Parthon | do the dots move as the camera moves? |
| 09:59.29 | A1win | yeah they're on the 2D UI |
| 10:00.11 | A1win | so you move your camera, and the units follow it and form into the formation the dots represent |
| 10:00.23 | Parthon | aaah okay |
| 10:00.27 | Parthon | that's pretty neat |
| 10:00.49 | A1win | might be... if it'd work |
| 10:02.58 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 10:04.51 | A1win | I could make an AI that takes the closest unit for each dot, and goes through the dots in an order where the first dot is the one whose closest unit is the furthest away, so that the units would always take the fastest route to the formation o: |
| 10:05.34 | A1win | let's see what point functions we have... |
| 10:05.46 | Parthon | by trigger or data? |
| 10:06.01 | A1win | no way to reference UI in data ;p |
| 10:06.08 | Parthon | yeah, thought so |
| 10:06.16 | A1win | hmm camera target... using that would take some serious math to figure out the projection for the points |
| 10:07.23 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 10:07.24 | A1win | the only other function that might be useful is Point From XY |
| 10:08.26 | A1win | meh seems camera target is the only option |
| 10:08.28 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-02-29%20at%202.06.40%20AM.png :D |
| 10:08.30 | AlphA_VsT | yay |
| 10:08.37 | AlphA_VsT | shout locations are working |
| 10:09.20 | A1win | camera target is always in the same spot on the UI, right? |
| 10:09.28 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 10:09.50 | AlphA_VsT | no idea |
| 10:09.56 | AlphA_VsT | afk for a bit |
| 10:10.00 | AlphA_VsT | need foods |
| 10:16.31 | A1win | hmm, though if the points were 3D points that'd just be moved when the camera moves, it'd be much simpler and accurate... the only downside would be that the points would lag behind a bit, but then again the units would take their time moving anyway |
| 10:17.15 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 10:17.17 | A1win | and the formation points could be moved by selecting them and giving them a move order ;D |
| 10:17.31 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 10:17.57 | AlphA_VsT | how does my shout point look? |
| 10:18.08 | AlphA_VsT | is it ok till i get something better haha |
| 10:18.18 | A1win | dunno what it's supposed to be ;p |
| 10:18.34 | AlphA_VsT | its just the point of where someone uses shout :P |
| 10:18.47 | Parthon | yeah, they look fine |
| 10:18.54 | Parthon | shout is like an alert right? |
| 10:19.06 | Parthon | ie: "hey guys over here" |
| 10:20.42 | Parthon | cause those circles look great for player indication, or a point attention |
| 10:20.55 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 10:21.26 | AlphA_VsT | its actually a random point close to the unit when he uses shout |
| 10:21.31 | AlphA_VsT | not 100% |
| 10:21.52 | AlphA_VsT | because its a forst and well that would be hard to tell |
| 10:21.53 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 10:22.20 | AlphA_VsT | it is an alert like the smaller pings on the ground |
| 10:22.29 | AlphA_VsT | whihc are fun when a player uses run |
| 10:22.34 | Parthon | yeah, it's a good graphic for an alert |
| 10:23.30 | AlphA_VsT | im going to update the run things with you haviing to be closeish to them |
| 10:23.49 | AlphA_VsT | its to make it easier to find a player :P |
| 10:24.19 | AlphA_VsT | have to be it to see the shit |
| 10:24.35 | AlphA_VsT | to reduce confusion |
| 10:25.16 | AlphA_VsT | but if you are hiding and you see someone you can shout out |
| 10:25.45 | AlphA_VsT | shouts will also be done when you talk :P |
| 10:26.12 | Parthon | oh neat |
| 10:26.17 | Parthon | RPG map? |
| 10:26.29 | AlphA_VsT | hide and seek |
| 10:29.18 | AlphA_VsT | yeah its fucking awesome |
| 10:29.35 | AlphA_VsT | you don't even know what I am planning hahaha |
| 10:29.41 | AlphA_VsT | i will hit #1 |
| 10:29.47 | AlphA_VsT | im fucking evil |
| 10:31.39 | A1win | haha this will be neat |
| 10:36.55 | AlphA_VsT | what will be neta? |
| 10:36.58 | AlphA_VsT | neat |
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| 10:38.38 | A1win | this formation movement thing |
| 10:40.52 | A1win | any way to make a unit not cast shadows? |
| 10:40.56 | A1win | *an actor |
| 10:43.01 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 10:43.41 | AlphA_VsT | uncheck the show shadow thing |
| 10:47.26 | Mexa_ | Amazing, I thought I was going to be timed out from the webchat by now. |
| 10:51.12 | Parthon | nopes! |
| 10:52.17 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 10:52.19 | AlphA_VsT | webcaht |
| 10:52.22 | AlphA_VsT | HAHA NOOB! |
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| 10:54.08 | Parthon | webchat runs on chuck testa |
| 10:58.43 | AlphA_VsT | can i reduce the cooldown of an ability? |
| 11:00.54 | AlphA_VsT | maybe this is it |
| 11:02.48 | AlphA_VsT | i got it i thin |
| 11:02.55 | AlphA_VsT | i just need to add - time lol |
| 11:09.10 | AlphA_VsT | sweet it works |
| 11:09.24 | AlphA_VsT | just need to finish |
| 11:12.55 | AlphA_VsT | hmmm |
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| 11:32.46 | A1win | I made an Effect - Target ability with a teleport effect but it says "Must target unit" when I try to use it, although the target is set to target point in the effect |
| 11:33.29 | A1win | oh it's not, nevermind |
| 11:33.32 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 11:33.35 | AlphA_VsT | noob |
| 11:33.39 | A1win | was looking at the wron field :P |
| 11:33.40 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 11:33.42 | AlphA_VsT | hehe |
| 11:33.49 | A1win | mmh it still doesn't work though <.< |
| 11:36.31 | A1win | now it does... |
| 11:38.08 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 11:38.10 | AlphA_VsT | ops |
| 11:48.43 | A1win | meh, well this kinda works, except that when I try to rearrange the formation markers, the units sometimes get confused when too many are trying to change their place at the same time |
| 11:49.12 | A1win | and I'm not sure how useful this will be :P |
| 11:50.07 | A1win | changing the formation isn't very practical |
| 11:53.50 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 11:53.54 | AlphA_VsT | nope :P |
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| 14:01.04 | Scorp_ | would anyone be able to quickly teach me how to make the map analyzer tool work? |
| 14:01.50 | Scorp_ | I am getting two warnings, and no output files are created |
| 14:02.30 | Scorp_ | Warning: Unexpected format for MapInfo, map size appears to be <108652, 0>. |
| 14:03.16 | Scorp_ | Warning: Could not read required map files for [Map Name], skipping |
| 14:06.44 | Scorp_ | anyone? |
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| 14:11.41 | Scorp_ | .. |
| 14:21.35 | A1win | how can I change the playable map area to be the same as camera bounds? |
| 14:22.07 | Parthon | data editor |
| 14:22.22 | Parthon | I forget where exactly, lemme look it up |
| 14:22.39 | Parthon | advanced data, gameplay data |
| 14:22.52 | Parthon | camera margin |
| 14:23.00 | A1win | that didn't do anything |
| 14:23.25 | A1win | or hmm |
| 14:23.33 | A1win | the helper lines just show wrong |
| 14:23.57 | Parthon | I think after you change the margins, you have to change the bounds, then reload the map |
| 14:24.24 | Parthon | yup, that's how it works |
| 14:24.26 | A1win | yeah |
| 14:24.28 | A1win | thanks |
| 14:24.51 | Parthon | actually, looks like the margins are pretty wide already ;) |
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| 14:25.38 | A1win | updating map bounds refreshed the helper lines too |
| 14:27.03 | Parthon | woot |
| 14:27.12 | Parthon | I gave up on my map :P |
| 14:40.54 | Ashamed_ | who doesn't? |
| 14:42.30 | Parthon | no idea |
| 14:42.41 | Parthon | the concept is sound, but it's a hell of a lot of work if it doesn't get played |
| 14:43.04 | Ashamed_ | SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUND |
| 14:43.13 | Parthon | ... yes |
| 14:44.12 | Parthon | oooh, brain idea formed |
| 14:53.25 | Ashamed_ | damn brain forming ideas and shit |
| 14:53.39 | Parthon | I like them, but meh |
| 14:53.43 | Parthon | can't be bothered lol |
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| 15:28.34 | Parthon | back to work :P |
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| 15:43.37 | Parthon | can I put a cost on an attack? |
| 15:43.49 | Parthon | found it |
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| 16:36.34 | Batomys | Anyone know much about editing the radar blip? I made a copy of the blip, sensor behavior, even the tower itself, trying to make a tower that detects neutral units only |
| 16:37.45 | Batomys | I have the flags edited, tint color applied, just have no idea where to change from the old blip to my new one. Can't find a reference to the blip anywhere in events |
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| 16:38.29 | Daara | Why are people so stupid? |
| 16:38.54 | Daara | http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/426742_340582195985480_100001011069601_958181_2143836603_n.jpg |
| 16:39.15 | Daara | And the worst part is that there's a huge group of people who believe that it is Obama's fault that gas prices are so high. |
| 16:39.34 | Batomys | People are stupid, this is nothing new |
| 16:39.46 | Daara | I had one person tell me to do research. |
| 16:39.59 | Batomys | I love when Fox News viewers pull that out of their ass |
| 16:40.08 | Batomys | As if they research anything they say themselves |
| 16:40.08 | Daara | I was like, well considering I drove over a 1,000 miles a week from 2006-2009 I'm pretty sure I know how much gas was then. |
| 16:40.31 | Daara | It was like $2.60 in 2006 |
| 16:40.37 | Daara | almost $3 in 2007 |
| 16:40.42 | Daara | and almost $4 in 2008 |
| 16:40.52 | Daara | Can't blame Obama for that now, can you? |
| 16:40.57 | Batomys | Sure they can, and do. |
| 16:41.32 | Daara | I can't remember the exact amount I spent on gas while working that job. |
| 16:41.37 | Daara | But it was ridiculous. |
| 16:41.40 | Jum-Jum | stupid Obama using up all that fossil fuel |
| 16:42.08 | Daara | Something like $35 per trip 4 trips per week. |
| 16:42.27 | Batomys | I love when someone attacks Obama for "not allowing drilling", and are completely ignorant of the fact that we have 4x as many wells operating now as we did in 2008 |
| 16:42.50 | Daara | And then those people have the nerve to tell you "do some reserach". |
| 16:43.12 | Jum-Jum | I find most people who hate Obama just for the sake of hating him. |
| 16:43.47 | Batomys | Or complain about the Keystone XL pipeline not going through, and don't realize that the fuel efficiency standards he put in place for 2020 will reduce our fuel consumption by 4-5 times as much as could possibly come through that pipeline annually |
| 16:44.36 | Batomys | If a republican was in office when Osama was killed his face would be on Rushmore by now |
| 16:44.53 | Batomys | Big ol stupid grin |
| 16:52.15 | Batomys | Still unable to find where the radar blip actor is called up. Anyone know? |
| 16:53.14 | Batomys | The events in the blip copy say "UnitBlipUpdate.*.Start - Create" |
| 16:53.49 | Batomys | But I can't find any references to that "blip" elsewhere |
| 17:03.48 | Mexa_ | http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso |
| 17:05.52 | Ashamed_ | hey daara you there? |
| 17:06.05 | Ashamed_ | PING DAARA |
| 17:06.12 | Daara | yes |
| 17:06.17 | Ashamed_ | :P |
| 17:06.20 | Ashamed_ | that picture you posted |
| 17:06.38 | Ashamed_ | another thing funny about it is if you look at it |
| 17:06.46 | Ashamed_ | like 3 months before that drop it was the highest ever |
| 17:07.01 | Ashamed_ | and it dropped right at the end of bushes presidential |
| 17:07.04 | Daara | i know |
| 17:07.12 | Daara | because that's when it was announced that the economy was dead |
| 17:07.21 | Daara | less demand for gas at that point |
| 17:07.43 | Ashamed_ | yep |
| 17:07.48 | Ashamed_ | and it only dropped for like 2 months |
| 17:07.50 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 17:08.00 | Ashamed_ | and obama techically has kept it lower then bush ever did |
| 17:08.01 | Daara | they act like it was something that bush did |
| 17:08.10 | Daara | it had nothing to do with bush |
| 17:08.22 | Ashamed_ | oh the drop didn't for sure |
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| 17:12.47 | Ashamed_ | yeah w8 beta out :) |
| 17:13.12 | Ashamed_ | i may install that sucker tonight |
| 17:13.53 | Daara | i'm still waiting for diablo 3 |
| 17:13.54 | Daara | and tera |
| 17:13.56 | Daara | and gw2 |
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| 17:15.25 | Ashamed_ | d3 is going to suck i bet |
| 17:15.51 | Ashamed_ | http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s320x320/417209_3045073480402_1070093337_3000344_1825419306_n.jpg |
| 17:19.10 | RipperRoo | then dont play it |
| 17:19.11 | RipperRoo | insteat argue :S |
| 17:22.11 | Daara | haha ashamed |
| 17:22.46 | Daara | Yep, sorry I don't follow their sense of what's mature. |
| 17:23.18 | Daara | I don't conform to what society tells me what's right and what's wrong. (here I go sounding like an emo hipster) :P |
| 17:23.51 | Ashamed_ | i am the same way |
| 17:24.06 | Ashamed_ | i feel like playing video games is just if not more knowlagable than reading a book |
| 17:24.59 | Daara | It stimulates the brain more. |
| 17:26.13 | Ahli | except when you play decathlon by activision for the Commodore 64. There you only hammer the joystick as fast as you can left and right and sometimes press 1 button. |
| 17:26.23 | Daara | lol |
| 17:26.46 | Daara | well obviously there are going to be games that a shit-throwing monkey could do |
| 17:27.10 | Ahli | you cannot play 2 games after another because it's physically impossible ;D |
| 17:28.12 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXWFu6qs5jM >_> |
| 17:31.33 | Ashamed_ | you guys ever play with that racing pad for the NES? |
| 17:35.25 | Daara | I never used it but had one. |
| 17:36.18 | Daara | Some of the first games I played growing up...Battle Toads, Ninja Gaiden, Ghosts and Goblins, Arkanoid....yea |
| 17:36.28 | Daara | No wonder I'm so good at everything now. |
| 17:37.37 | Ahli | first real computer game was c&c red alert >_> |
| 17:38.24 | Ahli | *my |
| 17:38.24 | Daara | dune 2000 |
| 17:38.24 | Daara | and starcraft |
| 17:45.07 | Mexa_ | SONIC THE HEDGEHOG |
| 17:45.44 | Mexa_ | One of the computer games I remember was on my windows 3.1 |
| 17:45.47 | Mexa_ | Prince of Persia |
| 17:46.58 | Mexa_ | And then roller coaster tycoon later on. |
| 17:47.16 | Daara | I played starcraft at school. |
| 17:47.39 | Daara | installed it on one of the computers in the library :D |
| 17:48.02 | Mexa_ | I played starcraft long after it was released. I got owned one match, then I didn't bother more with it;P |
| 17:48.50 | Mexa_ | (until recently whern we had a course where we should make a starcraft broodwar AI for a college class)¨ |
| 17:48.55 | Daara | I will always believe that custom maps were the reason why the game was so successful. |
| 17:49.13 | Mexa_ | I think you're wrong |
| 17:49.34 | Mexa_ | The success of starcraft is the success of the game in south korea. |
| 17:49.35 | Daara | If it weren't for the custom games I wouldn't have played nearly as long as I did. |
| 17:50.03 | Daara | The RTS side was fun, it just couldn't keep most people playing. |
| 17:51.07 | Daara | There is probably just as many people who play the custom games as the rts side, maybe even more. |
| 17:51.19 | Mexa_ | or maybe even less:P |
| 17:51.37 | Mexa_ | Depends wher you are in the world more likely. |
| 17:51.41 | Daara | probably |
| 17:51.44 | Mexa_ | *e |
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| 17:51.50 | Daara | most of the people on my friends list from other games play the custom maps |
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| 17:52.26 | Daara | I generally play custom maps but mix in some 1v1 or 2v2's here and there. |
| 17:52.46 | Ashamed_ | i dunno sc seems more RTS |
| 17:52.51 | Ashamed_ | custom is more warcraft |
| 17:53.04 | Ashamed_ | dota sold that game |
| 17:53.05 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 17:53.22 | Daara | It would be nice if blizzard could give us a representation. |
| 17:53.44 | Daara | The custom map scene definitely helped the games substantially. |
| 17:53.54 | Daara | Especially in wc3's case. |
| 17:56.33 | Ashamed_ | i mean sc i started with RTS and then went into custom mapping |
| 17:56.47 | Ashamed_ | warcraft 3 i mby played 10 rts matches all together in 10 years lol |
| 18:00.25 | Daara | I was kind of that way too. |
| 18:00.48 | Daara | Although I played quite a bit more on the RTS side. |
| 18:12.51 | Parthon | hmmm, wondering how I would do this :P |
| 18:13.45 | Parthon | could I create a building that would make only one unit, and when it dies make another |
| 18:13.57 | Parthon | but have many buildings with 1 unit per building |
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| 18:24.58 | Cardinal | Yo. |
| 18:25.17 | Cardinal | Anyone remember in Warcraft 3... Selecting a bunch of different units, allowed you to 'tab' between the different types to use their abilities? |
| 18:25.34 | Cardinal | Is it possible, in SC2, to just 'merge' the command cards of selected units? |
| 18:27.04 | Parthon | not really, sc2 still uses unit tabbing |
| 18:27.39 | Cardinal | I'm thinking use a trigger/data combination. |
| 18:27.43 | Cardinal | Player selects units. |
| 18:27.59 | Cardinal | Each unit(type) with unique ability. |
| 18:28.14 | Cardinal | Abilities are added to the first selected unit (with its command card acting as a dummy) |
| 18:28.34 | Cardinal | Abilities are used > trigger orders unit 'with that ability' > to cast it |
| 18:28.45 | Parthon | yup |
| 18:28.52 | Cardinal | With data edited command cards to allow displaying of all possible abilities. |
| 18:29.02 | Cardinal | Will lose functionality of some ability>cost features. But that's not an issue |
| 18:29.06 | Parthon | but I'm not sure if you can add an ability to the command card without the unit already having the abilit |
| 18:29.27 | Cardinal | Yeah, it's something I battled in my previous project which I've slated pending Blizzard support. |
| 18:29.39 | Cardinal | You can add 512 (i think) abilities to a unit. |
| 18:29.45 | Parthon | I tried to make a hero where the bottom row was 5 skills picked from 12 |
| 18:29.47 | Cardinal | Stack the command card buttons. |
| 18:29.55 | Cardinal | Then Disable/Enable/Show the buttons using Requirements |
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| 18:31.13 | MasterReY | hi :) |
| 18:31.16 | MasterReY | me again |
| 18:31.18 | Parthon | where I got stuck is how to use a requirement for chosen skills in such a way that there's no overlap on the skills on the command card :P |
| 18:31.22 | Parthon | hi MasterReY |
| 18:31.23 | Cardinal | But, this same mechanic sort of glitched in my last map and some data objects were corrupted (not sure if result of what I was doing, or random corruption) |
| 18:31.24 | Parthon | I'm new here |
| 18:31.34 | MasterReY | hello :) |
| 18:31.51 | MasterReY | i have a very very very basic question i guess |
| 18:32.00 | Cardinal | Parthon - my map allowed players to choose a 'Ship', each 'Ship' had 'Weapon' / 'Armour' / 'Shield' / 'Warp' / 'Thruster' slots |
| 18:32.09 | Cardinal | Ships had between 5 and 12 total slots |
| 18:32.15 | MasterReY | how can i remove "ground" so that you can see the space in the background? |
| 18:32.25 | MasterReY | t-t |
| 18:32.28 | Parthon | Cardinal: yeah, but those abilities go in the matching slots yeah? |
| 18:32.32 | MasterReY | never ever did anything with terran haha |
| 18:32.35 | MasterReY | terrain* |
| 18:32.37 | Daara | search the mapster forums i'm sure its on there somewhere |
| 18:32.44 | Cardinal | I know how master, give me a sec. |
| 18:33.13 | MasterReY | a link to some tutorial or so would be cool aswell, i searched in google and sc2mapster already but i only get tutorials how to change cliuffs etc |
| 18:33.28 | MasterReY | never how to remove the ground completely to get those nice looking planets in space in the background |
| 18:33.30 | MasterReY | ^^ |
| 18:33.35 | Cardinal | Data Editor > Advanced > Terrain Texture Sets > set "Hide Lowest Level" to true. |
| 18:33.43 | MasterReY | :o |
| 18:33.59 | MasterReY | thanks :) ill try and report back haha |
| 18:34.01 | Cardinal | Background Model field will allow you to choose what 'image' (or 'planet') is rendered beneath the 'terrain'. |
| 18:34.07 | MasterReY | kk |
| 18:35.15 | Parthon | Cardinal: only weapons could go in the weapon slot though? |
| 18:35.17 | Cardinal | Parthon - For example, if a ship has 3 weapons, on its command card Q, W and E will hold each possible 'active' weapon, stacked over each other. |
| 18:35.27 | Cardinal | It was entirely custom dialog based. Didn't use inventories. |
| 18:35.43 | Parthon | MasterReY: aaah |
| 18:35.48 | Cardinal | So, I could give 3 Missile Launcher weapons to my ship, and abilities Q, W and E would cast separate instances of the Missile Launch effect |
| 18:35.56 | Parthon | just pick a space platform texture, and draw "lower cliff" on the whole lot |
| 18:35.56 | MasterReY | i dont find it :( |
| 18:36.03 | Cardinal | What don't you find? |
| 18:36.10 | MasterReY | in the data editor or on the data menu at top? |
| 18:36.13 | Parthon | it will *look* like texture in the editor, but it will be space in the game |
| 18:36.20 | Cardinal | within the Data Editor |
| 18:36.34 | Parthon | Cardinal: yeah, where I get stuck is that abilities don't have slots |
| 18:36.39 | MasterReY | in data editor i chose the "Terrain Textures" tab |
| 18:36.44 | MasterReY | and then there are all the textures |
| 18:36.47 | Cardinal | Open the Catalogue through Terrain > Terrain Texture Sets |
| 18:36.57 | MasterReY | "Sets" is not there |
| 18:37.04 | MasterReY | but "Terrain Textures" |
| 18:37.08 | Parthon | Cardinal: space platform texture sets already have it turned on |
| 18:37.15 | MasterReY | oh |
| 18:37.18 | MasterReY | sry found it haha |
| 18:37.22 | Cardinal | Thought so. |
| 18:37.40 | MasterReY | parthon ill try your way afterwards |
| 18:37.48 | MasterReY | kk im in texture sets now |
| 18:38.34 | Cardinal | brb phonecall |
| 18:39.01 | MasterReY | uh |
| 18:39.09 | MasterReY | "hide lowest level" is already enabled |
| 18:39.24 | MasterReY | well tbh i even think i can see the background ingame |
| 18:39.33 | Cardinal | ... |
| 18:39.37 | MasterReY | but the minimap and preview screen has some weird ground there |
| 18:39.41 | Cardinal | Then you go to the Terran editor, and lower the cliff level to the lowest. |
| 18:39.45 | MasterReY | im using braxis alpha |
| 18:39.47 | Cardinal | Press 'V' |
| 18:39.54 | Cardinal | To enable 'Show Game View' |
| 18:40.11 | MasterReY | oh wow |
| 18:40.15 | MasterReY | the "V" ^^ |
| 18:40.24 | MasterReY | ya looks good in game view |
| 18:40.40 | MasterReY | is it possible to get the "game view" as preview too? |
| 18:41.15 | MasterReY | because my current preview when searching the map on bnet has some weird metal squares in the "space" area |
| 18:41.39 | Cardinal | Well. Ctrl+Shift+C sets the camera to the game Camera. V hides all editor objects, so the game looks how it will look in game. |
| 18:41.46 | Cardinal | Brb phone. |
| 18:41.54 | Cardinal | Upload pictures. Can't help you from what you're saying. |
| 18:43.23 | MasterReY | do you have starcraft available right now? |
| 18:43.27 | MasterReY | and willing to open it? |
| 18:43.33 | MasterReY | its easy to show then |
| 18:45.26 | Parthon | yeah, that's because the preview doesn't hide the bottom map layer |
| 18:45.41 | Parthon | or there's no space backdrop, I can't remember which |
| 18:47.25 | MasterReY | but my map is a remake of a map which doesnt have the preview bug, and i never changed anything with the terrain, only triggers^^ |
| 18:48.46 | Parthon | I think you can upload your own preview image, perhaps they did that? |
| 18:49.09 | MasterReY | no :P |
| 18:49.27 | MasterReY | wello so do you have starcraft available? |
| 18:49.37 | MasterReY | if so, search for "microwars" |
| 18:49.54 | MasterReY | and somepare summerloads and ReYs (my) version |
| 18:52.24 | Cardinal | Bit busy. What region? |
| 18:52.55 | MasterReY | eu |
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| 18:56.55 | MasterReY | :/ |
| 18:58.59 | Parthon | I forget how to change the water height lol |
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| 18:59.39 | JademusSreg | From the depths, I wabe. |
| 18:59.48 | Parthon | ha! |
| 19:00.49 | MasterReY | jademus |
| 19:00.58 | MasterReY | maybe you know how to fix my problem :o |
| 19:01.02 | JademusSreg | Perhaps. |
| 19:01.07 | MasterReY | your always so helpful :D |
| 19:01.15 | JademusSreg | *you're =D |
| 19:01.17 | MasterReY | do you have starcraft available right now? |
| 19:01.21 | MasterReY | ya sry^^ |
| 19:01.25 | MasterReY | yes sorry |
| 19:01.27 | MasterReY | :D |
| 19:01.38 | JademusSreg | What's the issue? |
| 19:01.47 | MasterReY | the preview pic of my map is bugged |
| 19:02.00 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 19:02.03 | JademusSreg | Elaborate. |
| 19:02.04 | MasterReY | you could see it if you search for "microwars" on EU |
| 19:02.20 | Parthon | JademusSreg: he's getting a grey patterned preview on a star-background map |
| 19:02.37 | MasterReY | i hid the lowest terran level but you can still see SOME party in the preview image |
| 19:02.55 | MasterReY | other maps using exactly the same terrain dont have those parts |
| 19:02.55 | JademusSreg | Interesting. Send me a screenshot of the problem or the map. |
| 19:03.01 | MasterReY | party = parts |
| 19:03.04 | MasterReY | kk sec^^ |
| 19:03.28 | JademusSreg | (Preferably using imgur for the former or dropbox for either.) |
| 19:04.16 | JademusSreg | File sharing sites are the syphilitic prostitutes of the internet. |
| 19:05.14 | JademusSreg | Rapidshare once gave me gonorrhea. |
| 19:06.19 | MasterReY | kk |
| 19:06.20 | MasterReY | http://imgur.com/i2kl8,laoJH |
| 19:06.27 | MasterReY | 2 images inside |
| 19:06.31 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 19:06.39 | JademusSreg | And it doesn't look like that in game? |
| 19:06.44 | MasterReY | no |
| 19:06.51 | MasterReY | looks fine ingame |
| 19:06.53 | MasterReY | also |
| 19:06.59 | JademusSreg | I know why. |
| 19:07.09 | MasterReY | i used summerlouds map and just changed triggers and reuploaded it |
| 19:07.12 | JademusSreg | Or rather, I have a hypothesis. |
| 19:07.14 | MasterReY | never touched terrain |
| 19:07.27 | MasterReY | ok |
| 19:07.30 | MasterReY | im listening |
| 19:08.32 | JademusSreg | In my experience, manually hiding terrain cells doesn't change the state of those cells on a minimap. What's odd, though, is that you've got a minimap preview showing what should be the hidden cells around the base of the cliffs. |
| 19:09.31 | JademusSreg | While it's possible to manually edit such images, that would be tedious. I expect there is a data-based solution. |
| 19:10.39 | MasterReY | btw additional info: |
| 19:10.48 | MasterReY | the map is from sep 2010 |
| 19:10.53 | JademusSreg | Could be a property of the terrain texture set data or cliff data, I'm guessing the former. |
| 19:10.54 | MasterReY | the original one |
| 19:11.15 | MasterReY | i see the grey areas in the editor the same way as in the previeqw |
| 19:11.22 | MasterReY | however when i press V twice |
| 19:11.33 | MasterReY | then its ALL grey where the space should be |
| 19:12.03 | JademusSreg | Press Ctrl+T |
| 19:12.22 | MasterReY | ya now its gone |
| 19:12.26 | MasterReY | what is ctrl t |
| 19:12.28 | MasterReY | ß |
| 19:12.30 | MasterReY | ?* |
| 19:12.33 | JademusSreg | Show Hidden Terrain Cells |
| 19:12.38 | MasterReY | kk |
| 19:12.58 | JademusSreg | Save it again with Show Hidden Terrain Cells disabled and see if it makes a difference. |
| 19:13.01 | MasterReY | the weird thing is that only parts of it are shown/hidden in the current preview |
| 19:13.10 | MasterReY | ya |
| 19:13.10 | MasterReY | ill try |
| 19:14.17 | MasterReY | kk |
| 19:14.22 | MasterReY | published it really quick |
| 19:14.24 | MasterReY | now its all fine |
| 19:14.26 | MasterReY | ^^ |
| 19:14.42 | MasterReY | probably some bug because the terrain was from september 2010 |
| 19:14.48 | JademusSreg | Neat. Seems Show Hidden Terrain Cells has an effect on how the minimap preview is generated. |
| 19:14.52 | MasterReY | thanks :) |
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| 19:15.23 | MasterReY | never touched anything related to terrain before so i had no clue what to do |
| 19:15.38 | MasterReY | everytime i open a map i instantly go to the triggers or data editor^^ |
| 19:15.52 | JademusSreg | Naw, Show Hidden Terrain Cells is part of an editor "bug" where it forgets overwrites the previous settings, so you have to disable it. Happened a few patches ago. |
| 19:16.30 | JademusSreg | Easy to overlook, if you never use the Terrain Editor. Haha |
| 19:16.45 | MasterReY | ^^ |
| 19:22.02 | MasterReY | kk ill leave now |
| 19:22.11 | MasterReY | thanks alot once again <3<3<3<3 |
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| 19:32.13 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 19:32.42 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 19:40.00 | ________________ | haaaaaheeee |
| 19:40.04 | ________________ | hmm |
| 19:40.08 | Parthon | aaah blizzard, how you mock me :( |
| 19:40.14 | ________________ | lol what now |
| 19:41.45 | Parthon | changing the energy colour on a pylon |
| 19:41.55 | ________________ | they did?? |
| 19:41.58 | ________________ | *checks* |
| 19:42.21 | ________________ | my sc ii didnt update o.o |
| 19:42.33 | Parthon | no, I did |
| 19:42.40 | Parthon | I'm changing them for my map |
| 19:42.46 | ________________ | OOOOOHHH |
| 19:42.48 | ________________ | lol |
| 19:42.56 | ________________ | you made me join a game for nothing |
| 19:43.12 | Parthon | haha |
| 19:43.22 | Parthon | what happened is that I changed the colour for the energy |
| 19:43.25 | Parthon | saved the map |
| 19:43.33 | Parthon | ran it, and it was black, not cyan |
| 19:43.48 | Parthon | so I went and checked and it had changed the shield colour, and deleted the energy colour |
| 19:44.02 | ________________ | D: |
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| 19:45.50 | Parthon | omfg |
| 19:45.57 | Parthon | and now it's done it to a different building |
| 19:46.07 | Bounty | So, Blizzard laid off 600+ people eh? |
| 19:46.35 | Parthon | didn't hear about that |
| 19:46.49 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 19:46.52 | Parthon | yikes, now I have |
| 19:46.58 | JademusSreg | Reading about it this very moment, actually. |
| 19:47.16 | JademusSreg | "Ninety percent of the cut staff were in departments unrelated to game development, the company said." |
| 19:47.32 | Bounty | Which makes no sense imo |
| 19:47.34 | Parthon | customer service then, ie: game masters |
| 19:47.45 | Parthon | game support, marketting, sales, IT |
| 19:47.45 | Bounty | Yeah but 600? |
| 19:47.55 | Parthon | well, I wonder how many they already had |
| 19:47.58 | ________________ | why the huge cut? |
| 19:47.58 | Bounty | How can there even be that many positions not related to development |
| 19:48.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:48.06 | Parthon | plus Titan + SC2 + WOW |
| 19:48.14 | Parthon | I'm thinking most were GMs |
| 19:48.17 | Parthon | for WoW |
| 19:48.25 | Parthon | they hire LOADS of them |
| 19:48.28 | ________________ | is blizz really losing that much cash? |
| 19:48.54 | Bounty | well |
| 19:49.04 | Bounty | SC2 is pretty much dead, and WoW is on the decline |
| 19:49.13 | ________________ | sc ii is not dead |
| 19:49.19 | ________________ | thats an ignorant statement |
| 19:49.30 | Bounty | just because like 40 guys play it via esports doesnt mean tons of people are still playing |
| 19:49.37 | ________________ | thats not what i said |
| 19:49.39 | ________________ | i said its not dead |
| 19:49.40 | Bounty | people would rather watch SC2 than play it |
| 19:49.45 | ________________ | not that its the biggest game ever still |
| 19:49.54 | Bounty | im just talking about player count |
| 19:50.00 | ________________ | so am i |
| 19:50.06 | Bounty | well then u lose |
| 19:50.09 | Parthon | lol |
| 19:50.10 | ________________ | if it were dead it'd have less than half of what it started with |
| 19:50.19 | Bounty | ???????? |
| 19:50.20 | Ashamed_ | sc2 is dead |
| 19:50.21 | Parthon | Bounty: concurrent users on sc2 bnet haven't dropped much |
| 19:50.24 | Ashamed_ | DEAD!!!!!! |
| 19:50.37 | ________________ | thank you parthon |
| 19:50.39 | Bounty | Have you paid any attention to custom maps at all? |
| 19:50.47 | Bounty | its atleast 1/8th of what it was at launch |
| 19:50.52 | Parthon | custom maps make up less than 1% of the player base |
| 19:50.57 | ________________ | thank you |
| 19:50.57 | Bounty | and concurrent users has definently dropped |
| 19:51.08 | Bounty | atleast in the US |
| 19:51.26 | Bounty | It used to be a couple million |
| 19:51.33 | Bounty | now its usually at about 500k |
| 19:51.38 | Bounty | maybe |
| 19:51.46 | ________________ | show me where you're getting these facts |
| 19:51.52 | ________________ | basically, tits or gtfo |
| 19:51.53 | Bounty | log onto battlenet? |
| 19:52.00 | Bounty | and it says how many ppl are online lol |
| 19:52.04 | Bounty | derp |
| 19:52.07 | ________________ | show me where you get the first number I'm talking about |
| 19:52.11 | ________________ | the "couple million" |
| 19:52.26 | Bounty | i figured everyone here knew that? did we not all play during launch? |
| 19:52.39 | Parthon | yeah, it's been about 500k for about a year |
| 19:52.40 | Bounty | it was easily 1-2 million users on bnet when u logged on |
| 19:52.49 | Parthon | nups, too many connection problems early on |
| 19:52.54 | ________________ | Thank you |
| 19:53.00 | ________________ | Bounty, get real facts. |
| 19:53.05 | Bounty | ????? |
| 19:53.20 | ________________ | show me a source to back your words and ill believe you |
| 19:53.23 | Parthon | it probably was about 2 million on launch, but I wonder how many were just playing single player |
| 19:53.31 | ________________ | ^ |
| 19:53.32 | Bounty | well i dont have a fucking time machine so |
| 19:53.47 | ________________ | So basically you're pulling numbers out of your ass |
| 19:53.49 | Bounty | i cant go back in time and log onto bnet a year ago |
| 19:53.53 | Bounty | no |
| 19:53.53 | Parthon | and blizzard is tight as anything when it comes to stats |
| 19:53.59 | ________________ | ^ |
| 19:54.05 | ________________ | Soit's logged somewhere |
| 19:54.37 | ________________ | I'll be studying until you can find me something real to argue with. |
| 19:55.12 | Bounty | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3392889325?page=2 |
| 19:55.14 | Parthon | but what I mean is that calling SC2 dead, is like calling WoW dead |
| 19:55.15 | Bounty | thats all i found so far |
| 19:55.20 | Parthon | just because it's dropped 20% of it's subs |
| 19:55.22 | Bounty | same numbers im talking about |
| 19:55.59 | Bounty | so |
| 19:56.03 | ________________ | "not everyone finds the same game fun for 2 years straight, but that doesn'tmean they won't come back after a break" you're going against your own point |
| 19:56.07 | Bounty | would you like to blow me now or later? |
| 19:56.11 | ________________ | not to say the other posts aren't relavent also tho |
| 19:56.13 | Parthon | but log in on the weekend and you'll see > million |
| 19:56.19 | ________________ | ^ |
| 19:56.44 | Parthon | and then there's SEA, EU, KO |
| 19:56.52 | Parthon | KO would be millions |
| 19:56.57 | ________________ | ofc |
| 19:56.57 | Bounty | its still alot less than what it was |
| 19:57.03 | ________________ | SC II is their only sport |
| 19:57.03 | Bounty | especially customs |
| 19:57.07 | ________________ | (not rly :p) |
| 19:57.31 | Parthon | kekekeke zergrush |
| 19:57.56 | Parthon | but if blizzard would fix their damn custom map system and actually make it half decent, it would attract a lot of people back |
| 19:57.57 | ________________ | I think you're just calling it dead because you want validation for when you quit the game |
| 19:58.00 | Parthon | right now it's pathetic |
| 19:58.04 | ________________ | so true |
| 19:58.34 | Daara | Can't expect people to play only the RTS side for years...it gets boring. |
| 19:58.42 | Parthon | I could design a better system in a day, and impliment it (without graphics) in a week |
| 19:58.42 | ________________ | I think, if they would add a "Maps being played now" section on the custom map thing it would make it nice |
| 19:58.56 | ________________ | lol nice parthon |
| 19:59.17 | Daara | The custom maps have always been the source keeping the starcraft fun for long periods of tiime. |
| 19:59.18 | Parthon | I would suggest lobby-like chat rooms attached to maps, so you can go in and chat while arranging a game |
| 19:59.31 | Parthon | and you could see how many people are currently playing, and how ofter a game type is filled |
| 19:59.55 | ________________ | I really did like the old chat rooms of D2 & SC, but I guess Blizz decided this was the easiest way to stop trolling bots |
| 19:59.57 | Parthon | and put yourself down as a reserve for a upcoming game, without having to be locked into sitting in the screen they have now |
| 20:00.38 | Parthon | Daara: the custom map population is lower though, but we are rabid and loyal :P |
| 20:00.45 | ________________ | :) |
| 20:00.51 | Daara | I wouldn't say it's that much lower though. |
| 20:00.56 | Bounty | I'm not loyal at all |
| 20:01.06 | ________________ | ^ya we know |
| 20:01.12 | Bounty | I quit and come back every few weeks or so |
| 20:01.13 | Daara | If it weren't for custom maps I would not play starcraft. |
| 20:01.25 | Daara | same with wc3 |
| 20:01.28 | ________________ | weren't you coding a fake DOTA for that vaala guy a while ago? |
| 20:01.32 | Parthon | Daara: it's somewhere around 1-2% :( |
| 20:01.37 | Daara | no way |
| 20:01.39 | Bounty | huh? |
| 20:01.44 | ________________ | or was that sum1 else |
| 20:01.50 | Bounty | I've never worked with any other mapper EVER lol |
| 20:01.52 | Daara | no way it's only 1-2% |
| 20:02.07 | ________________ | im getting names mixd then ): |
| 20:02.07 | Bounty | thats what i always say Daara |
| 20:02.11 | Ashamed_ | OMG |
| 20:02.29 | Bounty | He wanted me to make his dota game |
| 20:02.31 | Parthon | that's what I thought, but even when there's 400,000 people on bnet, there's only 8000 in custom games, the rest are all in ladder games |
| 20:02.31 | Daara | Of the 1 million people playing sc2 only 10k are playing custom maps? that can't be right |
| 20:02.32 | Bounty | but i declined |
| 20:02.46 | Parthon | Daara: about 20k |
| 20:02.48 | Ashamed_ | lol bounty raging about useless shit again? |
| 20:02.57 | Bounty | Nah |
| 20:03.07 | Bounty | I'm cool brah |
| 20:03.09 | Parthon | but it's probably a lot higher, because you have people like me who mix up custom with ladder |
| 20:03.17 | Daara | yea |
| 20:03.19 | ________________ | well, many ladder games can last only 7 minutes (if you're good) |
| 20:03.21 | Daara | most people do |
| 20:03.29 | ________________ | so you can get in about 5 ladder games before most custom games finish |
| 20:03.44 | Bounty | I'm working on my first non wasd map Ashamed =P |
| 20:04.26 | Parthon | oh, and the bug I found |
| 20:04.44 | Parthon | if you copy-paste a colour value into a list, instead of going into the list where you asked, it overwrites the top value in the list |
| 20:04.59 | Parthon | but that's not represented in the UI, it only happens when you save the map |
| 20:06.07 | Daara | I'm almost certain that it's nowhere near 1-2% of the population plays custom maps. |
| 20:06.24 | Bounty | Its not Daara |
| 20:06.29 | Ashamed_ | what map you "working on" what happened to that other 3rd person map? |
| 20:06.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:06.44 | Bounty | it died bc of the drop bug |
| 20:06.50 | Bounty | impossible to play a game |
| 20:06.59 | Ashamed_ | what people get dropped randomly? |
| 20:07.05 | Ashamed_ | i dont platy sc2 ever |
| 20:07.07 | Daara | didn't that get fixed? |
| 20:07.10 | Bounty | then about a month after i uninstall sc2 and delete all my maps blizz fixes it |
| 20:07.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:07.17 | Daara | lol :< |
| 20:07.26 | Daara | i don't ever delete anything |
| 20:07.26 | Ashamed_ | n0o0oO0B |
| 20:07.29 | Bounty | and im working on a Top Down Bullet Hell Vehicle Combat map |
| 20:07.33 | Ashamed_ | SHIT |
| 20:07.39 | Daara | i still have my beta maps |
| 20:07.42 | ________________ | +1 @ Ashamed |
| 20:07.47 | Bounty | 1 button controls =P |
| 20:07.54 | Bounty | Right Click = Move and Shoot |
| 20:07.56 | Daara | maybe one day blizzard will make wasd and first person viable on b.net |
| 20:08.05 | Ashamed_ | NVER DAARA |
| 20:08.18 | Bounty | They are viable Daara |
| 20:08.24 | Bounty | the problem is people judge them before they even play em lol |
| 20:08.26 | ________________ | it looked so pretty during the previews they showed |
| 20:08.35 | Daara | that's because it wasn't online haha |
| 20:08.39 | ________________ | lol |
| 20:08.49 | Daara | mine looked great when i was testing it |
| 20:08.54 | Bounty | The only WASD complaints i got from my maps was from people who didnt play them |
| 20:09.14 | Daara | from what i experienced with mine makes me hesitant to try another |
| 20:09.19 | A1win | and why do you think they didn't play it? |
| 20:09.33 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 20:09.37 | Daara | the lag was just absurd |
| 20:09.39 | Daara | on mine |
| 20:09.43 | Daara | you literally couldn't play |
| 20:09.43 | Bounty | not mine |
| 20:09.57 | Daara | well that's the experience most people got with it |
| 20:09.59 | ________________ | ah i remember now |
| 20:10.03 | Daara | first impressions last |
| 20:10.07 | ________________ | you're the guy that made that really pretty map |
| 20:10.10 | ________________ | that had like bosses n stuff |
| 20:10.14 | Currydevil | lol |
| 20:10.14 | ________________ | but its actually an FFA |
| 20:10.22 | Bounty | me? |
| 20:10.25 | ________________ | ya |
| 20:10.31 | Bounty | not sure what map that is |
| 20:10.38 | Bounty | i've made atleast 20+ maps |
| 20:10.39 | ________________ | name your most recent map |
| 20:10.40 | Parthon | Bounty: ... that's insane .. |
| 20:10.43 | Bounty | TriFaction |
| 20:10.45 | ________________ | that |
| 20:10.46 | ________________ | ya |
| 20:10.52 | Currydevil | Bounty made that arena map with the colorful combos. |
| 20:10.53 | ________________ | then u quit it bcuz the lobby drop |
| 20:10.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-29-13-13.client.mchsi.com) |
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| 20:10.58 | Parthon | to complain about the controls of a map you haven't played, is truely and utterly retarded |
| 20:10.58 | Currydevil | if that's what you're talking about |
| 20:11.03 | Daara | oh you did that one with the wow models? |
| 20:11.04 | ________________ | lol ya it is |
| 20:11.04 | Bounty | yeah the lobby drop bug got real bad |
| 20:11.06 | Bounty | like |
| 20:11.09 | Bounty | we would have 14 ppl |
| 20:11.11 | Bounty | game would start |
| 20:11.15 | Bounty | would be left with 5 |
| 20:11.26 | ________________ | i 4get, why does it happen again? |
| 20:11.26 | Daara | lobby dropped ppl who were in it for more than 5 mins |
| 20:11.30 | ________________ | mod dependancies? |
| 20:11.31 | Daara | dependancies |
| 20:11.33 | ________________ | gotcha |
| 20:11.33 | Bounty | it was about mods |
| 20:11.35 | Bounty | yeah |
| 20:11.36 | Daara | yep |
| 20:11.36 | Bounty | but they fixed it |
| 20:11.37 | Daara | it's fixed now though |
| 20:11.40 | Bounty | but like i said |
| 20:11.40 | ________________ | haha |
| 20:11.42 | ________________ | thats funny |
| 20:11.42 | Bounty | to late |
| 20:11.48 | Daara | i wanted to try your map |
| 20:11.49 | Parthon | 100% fixed, cause it still sometimes happens |
| 20:11.49 | ________________ | you can re dl your map and unlock it |
| 20:11.50 | Bounty | would be nice if they didnt keep us in the dark |
| 20:12.17 | Parthon | I wonder if blizz has gone downhill because of recent management changes |
| 20:12.21 | Bounty | meh well im trying an experiment with this next map |
| 20:12.28 | Bounty | I think JademusSreg will support my concept lol |
| 20:12.41 | Bounty | teh first non lagging shooter |
| 20:12.48 | Parthon | and dustin browder is an idiot |
| 20:12.52 | Bounty | 1 button controls, so all the idiots can understand it |
| 20:13.01 | Daara | he isn't that bad |
| 20:13.06 | Daara | i got to talk to them 2 years ago |
| 20:13.12 | Daara | most of the sc2 devs |
| 20:13.29 | Ashamed_ | Bounty i am working on an TP RPG this just both clicks and that is it |
| 20:13.32 | Ashamed_ | it works pretty well |
| 20:13.33 | Daara | the b.net devs were the worst |
| 20:13.34 | Parthon | well, diablo 2 sold millions of copies, but only 500,000 ever went on battlenet |
| 20:13.47 | Bounty | I'm only using right click Ashamed |
| 20:13.52 | Ashamed_ | I know |
| 20:13.55 | Ashamed_ | but mine is better |
| 20:13.57 | Ashamed_ | just sayeb |
| 20:13.59 | Bounty | nope |
| 20:14.04 | Bounty | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE |
| 20:14.05 | Parthon | and when d3 was announced to be online only, and the outcry happened from those millions of ignored people .. he was like "holy crap, I didn't know that would happen" |
| 20:14.12 | Ashamed_ | parthon no -.-single player |
| 20:14.13 | Daara | parathon thats cause it was in the last 90's most people still didn't even have internet lol |
| 20:14.19 | Daara | that or they had dial up |
| 20:14.36 | Daara | *shudders* |
| 20:14.40 | Parthon | Daara: yeah, but it's still ignorance or arrogance |
| 20:14.41 | Daara | dial up |
| 20:14.42 | Bounty | i had dial up |
| 20:14.45 | Bounty | and i played EverQuest |
| 20:14.48 | Bounty | no problem |
| 20:14.48 | Daara | dial up was awful |
| 20:14.51 | Bounty | no way |
| 20:14.55 | Daara | DON"T PICK UP THE PHONE! |
| 20:14.55 | Bounty | it was perfectly fine |
| 20:14.56 | Parthon | millions of people still have no internet or dialup :P |
| 20:14.58 | Bounty | for the games of that day |
| 20:14.59 | Daara | OMG NOOOOOO |
| 20:15.04 | Daara | U D/C'D ME! |
| 20:15.04 | Bounty | Daara |
| 20:15.11 | Bounty | thats why u get a seperate phone line |
| 20:15.13 | Parthon | black wall of death :P |
| 20:15.14 | Bounty | derp |
| 20:15.19 | Daara | lol |
| 20:15.26 | Daara | screw that |
| 20:15.27 | Daara | get cable |
| 20:15.37 | Parthon | but I was playing d3 beta .. and it would lag just a little bit and DISCONNECTED! |
| 20:15.38 | Bounty | well im speaking as if we are in the past |
| 20:15.41 | Bounty | so there is no cable yet |
| 20:15.43 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:15.55 | Daara | there was |
| 20:16.02 | Parthon | and I would have to start the quest I was on all over again |
| 20:16.09 | Parthon | I would get up to the boss and DISCONNECTED! |
| 20:16.12 | Parthon | GRRR |
| 20:16.43 | Daara | i have only painful memories from my dial-up days |
| 20:16.46 | Parthon | in december I was without internet for 3 weeks, and couldn't play my steam games |
| 20:16.52 | Daara | like losing starcraft ladder matches cause someone picke dup the phone |
| 20:17.09 | Daara | or dying on my hardcore d2 character |
| 20:17.27 | Daara | i'll never forgive my brother for killing my level 88 barb with dual ith swords i scammed of a hacker |
| 20:17.52 | Parthon | but not everyone lives in the magical land of game dev where everyone has a t1 line to their computer |
| 20:18.03 | Daara | i wish i had t1 |
| 20:18.19 | Parthon | I'd be happy with american broadband |
| 20:18.25 | Parthon | the best I can get here is 8/1 |
| 20:18.44 | Daara | America, fuck yea! |
| 20:18.55 | Parthon | 300+ ms pings all the time |
| 20:19.11 | Daara | that's not that bad :P |
| 20:19.19 | Daara | I use to play with 250+ |
| 20:19.36 | Parthon | 300ms is if I'm lucky |
| 20:19.42 | Parthon | used to be 480+ |
| 20:19.47 | Daara | I'm lucky to be under 100 still |
| 20:19.50 | Parthon | in 2009 |
| 20:19.53 | Daara | i'm in the middle of nowhere |
| 20:20.06 | Daara | all of the game servers are on east and west coast |
| 20:20.17 | Parthon | I never went online with sc1 or d2 until like 2007 because my ping would be over 700 |
| 20:20.23 | Parthon | try play d2 with 700 ping :P |
| 20:20.38 | Daara | gross |
| 20:21.01 | Parthon | I got really good at seeing lag hotspots and running back to town |
| 20:21.22 | Daara | I remember back in the day when I use to be patient because I had such a shitty computer. |
| 20:21.52 | Daara | Game isn't loaded yet? Eh, i'll go watch tv for a minute. |
| 20:22.17 | Parthon | hehe, yup :P |
| 20:22.18 | Bounty | You there JademusSreg? |
| 20:22.31 | Parthon | "oh, game is lagged, lets watch tv for 5 minutes until it clears" |
| 20:22.34 | Parthon | or irc |
| 20:22.46 | Parthon | in some cases, I would play another game while playing d2 |
| 20:23.22 | Daara | My old computers use to freeze a lot. |
| 20:23.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (504ed854@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.84) |
| 20:23.35 | Daara | Be playing starcraft or d2 and it would just lock up. |
| 20:23.39 | Daara | Wouldn't bother me. |
| 20:23.59 | Daara | If my computer freezes now I go into a rage because It happens so rarely. |
| 20:24.07 | Parthon | but I have yet to hear a valid argument for online-only play, except *maybe* anti piracy |
| 20:24.26 | Parthon | but online piracy hasn't stopped warcraft emulation |
| 20:24.41 | Daara | the whole anti piracy things is a load of shit |
| 20:25.02 | Daara | if someone is going to pirate something they probably weren't going to buy it in the first place |
| 20:25.03 | Parthon | supporting the RMAH is another |
| 20:25.17 | Parthon | but seriously, if someone is playing single player, they aren't going to look at the RMAH |
| 20:25.21 | Daara | piracy helps people more than it hurts |
| 20:25.31 | Parthon | another one is "less confusing for the user" |
| 20:25.47 | Daara | it gives them more exposure to people who wouldn't have normally bought one of their products |
| 20:26.19 | Parthon | and my "favorite" argument, there can't be an offline mode because it makes hacking online mode easier |
| 20:26.36 | Bounty | I've bought about 80% of the games i've pirated |
| 20:26.49 | Mexa | Where's the other 20%? |
| 20:26.50 | Bounty | I pirate to see how the game runs on my PC and if i like it |
| 20:26.54 | Bounty | deleted |
| 20:27.01 | Bounty | im a steam whore |
| 20:27.12 | Mexa | I have no problems with steam. |
| 20:27.12 | Bounty | i prefer all my games to be on steam |
| 20:27.17 | Bounty | example |
| 20:27.21 | Bounty | i pirated the witcher 2 |
| 20:27.26 | Bounty | it ran well on my PC and i liked it |
| 20:27.29 | Bounty | so i bought it on steam |
| 20:27.39 | Parthon | I pirated the witcher 1 |
| 20:27.49 | Bounty | i wouldnt pirate if every game had some sort of trial/demo |
| 20:27.53 | Bounty | bc thats what i use it for |
| 20:28.01 | Parthon | the game was so badly made, laggy and unplayable, that I uninstalled it and told everyone about how crap it was :P |
| 20:28.04 | Daara | any company that doesn't have demo's is just asking for people to pirate the game |
| 20:28.13 | Bounty | ^ |
| 20:28.17 | Daara | demo's prevent piracy more than anything |
| 20:28.22 | Bounty | yep |
| 20:28.35 | Mexa | Hm |
| 20:28.46 | Parthon | most anti-piracy measures are sold by companies who make their money from scaring the suits into using it |
| 20:28.50 | Bounty | im not praising piracy but |
| 20:28.53 | Bounty | when used properly |
| 20:28.55 | Bounty | its a good thing |
| 20:28.55 | Parthon | it's ineffective and ruins teh customer experience |
| 20:29.01 | Ashamed_ | I LOVE PIRACY |
| 20:29.03 | Ashamed_ | PRAISE IT |
| 20:29.06 | Daara | I do too. |
| 20:29.07 | Mexa | What about the argument that "Most demos does not give a true representation of the actual game"? |
| 20:29.17 | Daara | The companies need to evolve or get left behind. |
| 20:29.25 | Bounty | ive never even heard that arguement mexa |
| 20:29.33 | Parthon | then they should make a better demo |
| 20:29.35 | Daara | If your demo is that bad then you deserve to be pirated. |
| 20:29.39 | Parthon | Bounty: I've had demos like that |
| 20:29.43 | Ashamed_ | Even if its good |
| 20:29.45 | Ashamed_ | PIRATE IT |
| 20:29.51 | Bounty | the only time i would agree with what mexa said |
| 20:29.56 | Bounty | was the Kingdoms of Amalur demo |
| 20:29.58 | Parthon | like the "1 hour play time" demos that barely let you get into the game after the tutorial |
| 20:30.00 | Bounty | it was old code and broken |
| 20:30.06 | Bounty | and they released the demo like that lol |
| 20:30.12 | Mexa | Parthon, that's the point. Demos are made to represent good sides of the game, but it may not mean that the game is good. |
| 20:30.14 | Bounty | so i pirated the game before i bought it >< |
| 20:30.15 | A1win | piracy is only a good thing because companies don't know how to make their service better than the piracy service |
| 20:30.26 | Parthon | Mexa: oh, you mean the demo oversells it? |
| 20:30.33 | Parthon | I thought you meant the demo would be crap :P |
| 20:30.34 | Mexa | possibly |
| 20:30.48 | Mexa | As an argument that some have lost faith in demos and will pirate it anyway. |
| 20:30.51 | Bounty | What i find funny is always online DRM |
| 20:31.01 | Bounty | Destroys the consumer with no internet |
| 20:31.11 | Bounty | and those people have a 0% chance of pirating lol |
| 20:31.23 | Daara | lol |
| 20:31.40 | Parthon | Bounty: lol, I didn't even think of that :P |
| 20:31.43 | Daara | gotta keep those pirates who don't have internet from stealing their games |
| 20:31.55 | Mexa | Wait, do you mean there's still people out there which has no internet connection or is sitting on a modem still? |
| 20:31.58 | Parthon | that would be like 10-20% of people who can't buy games any more :P |
| 20:32.03 | Parthon | Mexa: yes |
| 20:32.06 | Bounty | Yeah i just came up with it, every once n awhile i say something that makes sense |
| 20:32.26 | Mexa | Parthon, I was not being serious with the question ._. |
| 20:32.27 | Daara | the only people I know who don't have internet in america are old people without kids in the house anymore |
| 20:32.33 | Parthon | mexa haha :D |
| 20:32.42 | Parthon | Mexa: I was just about to start a rant on stats :P |
| 20:32.52 | Mexa | ;) |
| 20:33.04 | Bounty | well considering how high poverty is |
| 20:33.14 | Bounty | its not a surprise ppl dont have internet |
| 20:33.19 | Bounty | its expensive |
| 20:33.25 | Mexa | Depends on the country too. |
| 20:33.32 | Parthon | once you get outside the cities on the coast internet is rare |
| 20:33.39 | Parthon | I mean GOOD internet is rare |
| 20:34.25 | Mexa | Most developed countries have decent internet though. |
| 20:34.32 | Bounty | If you're living off minimum wage then you most likely dont have internet |
| 20:34.41 | Bounty | and huge chunk of jobs are minimum wage |
| 20:34.54 | Mexa | Or maybe I'm just unknowing, since the majority of sweden has broadband |
| 20:35.27 | Parthon | Mexa: you are right, a majority of people in developed countries have access to broadband |
| 20:35.39 | Bounty | I read something very interesting a few weeks ago about the bailouts we did for the banks etc in the US |
| 20:35.43 | Parthon | if they can afford it and choose to spend money on it |
| 20:36.01 | Bounty | They said that if they had not done the bailouts they could have given every american a $30,000 check lol |
| 20:36.12 | Bounty | like wtf |
| 20:36.27 | Parthon | nah, more like $10k |
| 20:36.37 | Parthon | or 3k |
| 20:36.54 | Bounty | the bailouts were like... trillions of dollars |
| 20:37.02 | Parthon | in australia, the government gave everyone $800 |
| 20:37.12 | Parthon | population of the US: 311,591,917 |
| 20:37.17 | Bounty | Ron Paul even said it was about 20-30k |
| 20:37.17 | Parthon | bailout money: 1.3 trillion |
| 20:37.48 | Daara | i would have taken 30k |
| 20:37.54 | Daara | it would be in the bank still |
| 20:38.00 | Bounty | lol same |
| 20:38.00 | Parthon | haha |
| 20:38.06 | Parthon | wait, looking for more information on it |
| 20:38.07 | Bounty | savings account ftw |
| 20:38.32 | Daara | they should have given the money to the people instead |
| 20:38.38 | Parthon | oh right, that's messed up |
| 20:38.39 | Daara | we need somewhere to put it anyway |
| 20:38.40 | Bounty | exactly |
| 20:38.51 | Daara | so by giving us money |
| 20:38.53 | Parthon | 11 trillion was "invested", 1.3 trillion was "spent" |
| 20:38.55 | Daara | we are giving money to the banks |
| 20:39.02 | Bounty | if i open a business and fail, i dont get no money to keep my business open lol |
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| 20:39.22 | Parthon | Bounty: that's because you aren't "too big to fail" |
| 20:39.31 | Bounty | but |
| 20:39.35 | Bounty | they did fail? |
| 20:39.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:39.39 | Daara | I'm the Titanic, I'm unsinkable. |
| 20:40.10 | Bounty | I hope one of those solar storms hits us dead on |
| 20:40.23 | Bounty | and all electricity is killed for 10 years |
| 20:40.23 | Daara | haha |
| 20:40.25 | Parthon | wtf america .. seriously |
| 20:40.25 | Daara | no |
| 20:40.27 | Bounty | that'll fix the banks |
| 20:40.35 | Bounty | bc then we can all find and rape them |
| 20:40.41 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:40.45 | Parthon | how did your bailout arrangements come to almost half of your domestic GDP? |
| 20:40.59 | Daara | America, fuck yea! |
| 20:41.03 | Mexa | offtopc: is this site accessible for you? http://svtplay.se/t/176467/game_of_thrones |
| 20:41.08 | Bounty | bc we're doomed Parthon |
| 20:41.12 | Bounty | Roman Empire all over again lol |
| 20:41.26 | Bounty | soon as i save enough money im moving to Canada |
| 20:41.33 | Bounty | im rage quitting my country |
| 20:41.36 | Parthon | haha |
| 20:41.37 | Daara | the church runs canada |
| 20:41.38 | Mexa | I suspect they put a ip filter on it anywas. |
| 20:41.43 | Mexa | *anyways |
| 20:41.46 | Parthon | I don't think canada is much better though |
| 20:41.48 | Mexa | *an |
| 20:41.59 | Parthon | like here in aus, they build a car park, and it costs $120k per parking spot |
| 20:42.04 | Bounty | Canada is like 100x better than america lol |
| 20:42.09 | Daara | you're better off getting a group of people and succeeding from the union |
| 20:42.14 | Bounty | yeah but i dont have to worry about health care in canada |
| 20:42.17 | Bounty | or a draft |
| 20:42.18 | Parthon | you could build a house for $400k .. so 4 parking spots = price of a house |
| 20:42.21 | Bounty | or a depression |
| 20:42.29 | Bounty | so therefore, canada wins |
| 20:42.32 | Daara | that's what we should do |
| 20:42.38 | Daara | we should get like 1000's of people |
| 20:42.42 | Daara | buy a bunch of land |
| 20:42.46 | Daara | and succeed! |
| 20:42.56 | Daara | or spell right |
| 20:43.13 | Daara | secede |
| 20:43.33 | Bounty | Heres my theory |
| 20:43.33 | Parthon | the south will rise again? |
| 20:43.39 | Bounty | America was 100% doomed when everyone believed that Osama Bin Laden was killed shit |
| 20:43.44 | Daara | lol |
| 20:43.48 | Bounty | He died like |
| 20:43.51 | Bounty | 6 years ago |
| 20:43.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:44.03 | Bounty | and they even had it on the news... 6 FUCKING YEARS AGO |
| 20:44.04 | Daara | the fact that they didn't provide proof is enough evidence |
| 20:44.10 | Bounty | dude |
| 20:44.12 | Mexa | Ah yes, Bounty that site you linked me to back then |
| 20:44.12 | Bounty | not only that |
| 20:44.25 | Bounty | they supposedly gave him the same fucking burial that king arthur got |
| 20:44.27 | Parthon | OBL was a patsy |
| 20:44.29 | Bounty | like wtf |
| 20:44.33 | Bounty | burial at sea n shit |
| 20:44.40 | Bounty | what did they have archers with flaming arrows shoot at him? |
| 20:44.45 | Bounty | and watch him float away |
| 20:44.54 | Daara | lol |
| 20:45.01 | Mexa | .. looks liek bullshit, considering it was a nest containing a bunch of other conspiracy theories such as ufos and aliens. |
| 20:45.06 | Parthon | get some orcs out there, he could have Isildur's death :P |
| 20:45.11 | Mexa | *like |
| 20:45.21 | Bounty | I'm just going based off my memory Mexa |
| 20:45.31 | Bounty | I saw it on the news and read it in a paper a few years ago |
| 20:45.37 | Bounty | he had some sort of disease in his kidneys |
| 20:45.43 | Mexa | Fox news? |
| 20:45.43 | Parthon | it's getting to the point where everyone is lying and making up shit |
| 20:45.46 | Bounty | nah |
| 20:45.49 | Bounty | i dont watch Fox |
| 20:45.49 | Parthon | faux news? |
| 20:45.53 | Daara | lol fox news |
| 20:45.55 | Mexa | touche. |
| 20:46.09 | Parthon | or msnbc .. just as bad :P |
| 20:46.18 | Bounty | Think about this right |
| 20:46.24 | Bounty | we got into iraq |
| 20:46.26 | Daara | the best thing to do when watching any of those channels |
| 20:46.28 | Bounty | and just as we leave |
| 20:46.29 | Daara | is to keep an open mind |
| 20:46.37 | Bounty | now all teh sudden we have to stop iran from getting nukes |
| 20:46.41 | Daara | we will go to war with iran |
| 20:46.43 | Bounty | nobody finds this odd that all of these things just happen to be occuring now? |
| 20:46.45 | Parthon | Iran isn't getting nukes |
| 20:46.46 | Daara | there's no doubt in my mind |
| 20:46.49 | Mexa | Silly americans. |
| 20:46.53 | Bounty | I know they're not gettingn ukes |
| 20:46.55 | Daara | that we will force a war with them some how |
| 20:47.03 | Parthon | just like Iraq had no nukes, it's all about Oil |
| 20:47.11 | Bounty | and opium |
| 20:47.14 | Parthon | Iraq wanted to keep it's oil for itself, bam, america invades |
| 20:47.29 | Parthon | Iran is thinking about closing borders and suddenly they are getting nukes |
| 20:47.38 | Mexa | Invade north korea or something instead, then you might be useful. |
| 20:47.49 | Bounty | check this out |
| 20:47.51 | Mexa | Wonder how that will go now. |
| 20:47.52 | Daara | North Korea probably isn't even that bad. |
| 20:47.53 | Parthon | and Baghdad is the #1 worst place in the world to live |
| 20:47.53 | Bounty | this dude speaks truth |
| 20:47.54 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1P1LZDGFfI |
| 20:47.58 | Bounty | best video ull ever watch |
| 20:48.05 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:48.06 | Parthon | Daara: it's pretty scary, but not bad |
| 20:48.12 | Mexa | Daara, possibly not. But it's a damn strict country |
| 20:48.25 | Daara | Even if Iran had nukes.... |
| 20:48.27 | Daara | who cares.... |
| 20:48.36 | Daara | There's no way they are getting one here. |
| 20:48.38 | Parthon | lets go to singapore, where you get caned for littering :P |
| 20:48.38 | Mexa | Have you seen that guide where there were 2 americans in north korea filming? |
| 20:49.01 | Daara | can't spit either |
| 20:49.51 | Bounty | Anyone watch the video i linked? |
| 20:49.56 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:50.15 | Daara | watching it |
| 20:50.23 | Parthon | watching it |
| 20:50.47 | Mexa | Bounty nownow, we aren't ignoring you:P |
| 20:50.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:51.03 | Mexa | It was funny, and true |
| 20:51.22 | Bounty | "I thought it was the United States of America not the UNITED AMERICA OF EARTH" lolol |
| 20:51.31 | Parthon | why opium though? |
| 20:51.37 | Bounty | watch teh video |
| 20:51.39 | Bounty | makes sense |
| 20:52.19 | Daara | Ofcourse it does. |
| 20:52.23 | Daara | We're america. |
| 20:52.31 | Daara | We just take shit. |
| 20:52.48 | Daara | Ask the Indians. |
| 20:53.01 | Bounty | Eddie Griffin is easily one of the smartest comedians to ever live |
| 20:53.09 | Bounty | He also explained how they built the pyramids lol |
| 20:53.11 | Mexa | brb |
| 20:53.29 | Parthon | okay, that one I have to hear |
| 20:53.34 | Daara | everyone knows aliens built the pyramids geez |
| 20:53.39 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziE0MANlbxU&feature=related |
| 20:53.41 | Bounty | thats the one about the pyramids |
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| 20:55.00 | Ashamed_ | my back is killing me |
| 20:55.13 | Ashamed_ | ALIENZzzzzZZzzzZZzzzZZZZZZzz |
| 20:57.21 | Parthon | Bounty: that's pretty good, but what about the aztec and mayan pyramids? |
| 20:57.30 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 20:57.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:57.41 | Daara | aliens |
| 20:57.56 | Daara | it's easier to just say we are stupid and aliens did it |
| 20:57.59 | Parthon | plus the pyramids in egypt built from rocks that were carved from quarries over 100 miles away :P |
| 20:58.03 | Parthon | nah |
| 20:58.28 | Daara | the ones that intrigue me the most |
| 20:58.31 | Daara | Puma Punku |
| 20:58.32 | Parthon | egyptians had figured out basic trig and pi, the rest was just getting the slaves to push rocks |
| 20:58.34 | Daara | and Coral Castle |
| 20:59.21 | Bounty | I wonder what resource we want from Iran |
| 20:59.28 | Bounty | Iraq = Oil |
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| 20:59.34 | Bounty | Afgan = Opium |
| 20:59.39 | Bounty | Iran = ??? |
| 20:59.47 | Daara | Vast tracts of land. |
| 21:00.20 | Parthon | and Oil |
| 21:01.48 | Parthon | Daara: wtf @ coral castle :P |
| 21:02.05 | Daara | Puma Punku is even more interesting. |
| 21:02.25 | Mexa | "[...] and holds an important position in international energy security and world economy as a result of its large reserves of petroleum and natural gas. Iran has the second largest proven natural gas reserves in the world and the fourth largest proven petroleum reserves." |
| 21:02.28 | Parthon | yeah, that's more amazing |
| 21:02.34 | Parthon | coral castle is plain wtf |
| 21:03.25 | Daara | too bad the guy died before he could tell the world how he did the shit |
| 21:04.50 | Parthon | yeah |
| 21:05.08 | Parthon | there's some conjecture that he just used traditional methods, but that's still a hell of a lot of work |
| 21:05.18 | Parthon | pump punku is more interesting |
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| 21:05.35 | Parthon | walking through the stones of ankor wat was humbling though |
| 21:06.12 | Batomys | I'm trying to get a unit to play the WORK animation forever, but I send the message: Actor - Send message "AnimPlay { } Work PlayForever" to actor (Actor for Prop SCV) |
| 21:06.16 | Parthon | we aren't really much smarter now than we were then, we just have a lot more stuff written down in books :P |
| 21:06.24 | Batomys | And it only plays once and stops... :( Any ideas how to get it to loop properly? |
| 21:06.37 | Parthon | Batomys: what are you doing to get it to play? |
| 21:06.43 | Parthon | trigger? |
| 21:06.50 | Batomys | Yeah, in a trigger |
| 21:07.09 | Batomys | The unit isn't actually building, I just want it to look like it is, it's a prop unit. |
| 21:07.21 | Parthon | aah okay |
| 21:07.27 | Parthon | does the prop unit change state? |
| 21:08.13 | Batomys | Nope, it is created and stays in one spot |
| 21:08.35 | Batomys | I can make him appear to loop by sending the command on a periodic event, but that's really sloppy |
| 21:09.16 | Batomys | What does "Asset Driven Looping" flag do? |
| 21:09.38 | Mexa_ | It shouldn't be required to have a periodic trigger doing it. |
| 21:10.03 | Batomys | Yeah I figured as much, logic would dictate that the "play forever" flag would make it... play forever |
| 21:11.04 | Mexa_ | It should |
| 21:11.44 | Mexa_ | It's abit shabby, but the corresponding galaxy code I have which worked i as follows: |
| 21:11.48 | Parthon | I'm thinking that play forever might not work on animations that don't loop |
| 21:11.56 | Mexa_ | libNtve_gf_PlayAnimation(libNtve_gf_MainActorofUnit(unitObj), c_animNameDefault, "Walk", c_animFlagPlayForever, c_animTimeDefault); |
| 21:12.16 | Mexa_ | Possibly |
| 21:12.29 | Mexa_ | What happends if you change Work to Walk? |
| 21:12.34 | Mexa_ | or something else |
| 21:12.46 | Batomys | Let me run the map and check |
| 21:12.56 | Batomys | Have to close Firefox, wooo, brb |
| 21:15.26 | Parthon | okies, sleep for me, more mapping tomorrow, goodnight |
| 21:15.37 | Parthon | still got two hard problems to work out, but that can wait |
| 21:16.02 | Mexa_ | Seeya |
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| 21:16.31 | Batomys | Yeah, 'WALK' will play forever, but WORK will not... |
| 21:16.56 | Mexa_ | Then it's about the model I suppose |
| 21:16.56 | Batomys | Should I uncheck 'Play Forever' and use 'Asset Driven Looping' instead? |
| 21:17.22 | Mexa_ | It may or may not work, I haven't tested it at all. |
| 21:17.37 | Batomys | I suppose another way would just be to actually have it build a dummy prop object and give it a really long build time |
| 21:18.36 | Mexa_ | brb again |
| 21:35.58 | Ashamed_ | WORK DAY CRASH >< |
| 21:36.10 | Ashamed_ | ima fall asleep on my drive home a die |
| 21:41.19 | Ashamed_ | and* due |
| 21:41.21 | Ashamed_ | die* |
| 21:46.25 | Bounty | worrd |
| 21:46.44 | Bounty | Got my booze... time to terrain |
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| 21:55.38 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 21:55.41 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 21:55.58 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:57.32 | AlphA_VsT | stupid things are casting shadows 0.o |
| 21:59.47 | Bounty | Does this look like a swingset? |
| 21:59.48 | Bounty | http://i41.tinypic.com/29ktao4.jpg |
| 21:59.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:01.44 | JademusSreg | It does, haha. School or playground? |
| 22:01.49 | Bounty | playground |
| 22:01.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:18.06 | Bounty | alright |
| 22:18.11 | Bounty | playground? |
| 22:18.16 | Bounty | http://i43.tinypic.com/121zdpe.jpg |
| 22:18.35 | Bounty | am i missing nething? |
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| 22:19.46 | Ahli | lol cool |
| 22:20.17 | JademusSreg | Power outage. =\ |
| 22:20.18 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:35.13 | AlphA_VsT | yay |
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| 23:00.03 | Jeno | Hey guys, any1 got a sec to answer what is probably gonna be the most noobish question you ever heard?^^ |
| 23:00.38 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:00.52 | Ahli | yes. and now I just answered it |
| 23:01.09 | JademusSreg | It's always better to ask the question directly and skip asking a question about a question. =D |
| 23:01.16 | Daara | ^ |
| 23:01.17 | Ahli | indeed |
| 23:01.18 | Jeno | What do you have to do to be able to change the mover of a unit? I can only change the editorname and nothing else |
| 23:01.50 | JademusSreg | Are you trying to change what move a unit uses or what? |
| 23:02.29 | JademusSreg | *mover |
| 23:02.39 | Jeno | the mover of a unit, "ground" to "fly" or "cliffwalk" etc. |
| 23:03.01 | Ahli | you doubleclick it and change it |
| 23:03.23 | Jeno | cant, it's greyed out |
| 23:04.01 | JademusSreg | Changing what mover a unit uses is easy. Changing a mover, especially a Core data mover (or anything), is ill advised. |
| 23:04.45 | JademusSreg | And just because something is grey doesn't necessarily mean you can't change it. |
| 23:05.04 | Vailreth | i wish i could get in on the diablo 3 beta... |
| 23:05.18 | Daara | my too vailreth |
| 23:05.18 | JademusSreg | The color indicates from which dependency it comes. |
| 23:05.20 | Vailreth | but its nearly out anyway ... |
| 23:05.29 | Ahli | it's not that good. wish you get in PoE beta. that's better than d3 beta |
| 23:05.31 | JademusSreg | Everything inherited from Core is grey. |
| 23:06.16 | Jeno | yeah, but double-clicking should allow me change it, shouldn't it? |
| 23:07.16 | JademusSreg | Lets me change it just fine. |
| 23:07.26 | Ahli | did you try it or are you theorizing about that for 5 minutes? |
| 23:07.42 | Jeno | i tried |
| 23:07.51 | Ahli | what was the result? |
| 23:08.01 | Ahli | window with a pulldown? |
| 23:08.14 | Jeno | "mover properties" is all i get on double-clicking it, no drop-down menu or anything |
| 23:08.21 | Ahli | opens his editor |
| 23:09.05 | Ahli | which unit are you trying to modify? an original one or a custom unit? |
| 23:09.39 | Jeno | right now, i'm just looking at the original archon in a new map with nothing edited whatsoever |
| 23:10.05 | Jeno | going into the data editor, selecting the archon and then selecting mover, double-clicking on "ground" |
| 23:10.21 | JademusSreg | Ground mover has the following non-editor fields: Height Map, Pathing Mode, and Placement+ field array. |
| 23:10.45 | JademusSreg | And I can change them. I don't see an issue. |
| 23:11.04 | Ahli | jade, I think he only wants to change the mover of a unit from ground to air or cliffwalker, etc... |
| 23:11.10 | Ahli | which works for me ;S |
| 23:11.42 | Jeno | http://i.imgur.com/uHK2O.png this is all i get with the mover |
| 23:11.57 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:12.03 | Ahli | that's the name of the object |
| 23:12.06 | Ahli | and the id |
| 23:12.11 | Ahli | you can't change these ;D |
| 23:12.20 | JademusSreg | That's the link panel. |
| 23:12.32 | JademusSreg | It shows what's used by the data entry. |
| 23:12.37 | Ahli | you are hiding the advanced fields in the right table. use the top orange buttons. |
| 23:12.42 | JademusSreg | You don't edit that. It's more of a guide or map. |
| 23:12.56 | Ahli | 4th orange button from the right |
| 23:13.35 | Jeno | nope, it's on |
| 23:14.18 | Jeno | and afaik, the archon as a whole should ahave an entry like "movement: mover" or something like that on the right |
| 23:15.26 | Jeno | or is it done only with plane array and collide |
| 23:15.26 | JademusSreg | Try clicking on the Archon rather than the junk in the link panel. |
| 23:15.37 | Jeno | yeah, i did |
| 23:16.00 | Ahli | then enable show default values, the orange button on its left side (fifth from the right) |
| 23:16.33 | Ahli | you should have more on the right table than just the comment (would be inefficient to have a table with comments to store no information in the objects) |
| 23:16.33 | Jeno | alright! much better! |
| 23:16.37 | Jeno | thanks a bunch |
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| 23:53.04 | AlphA_VsT | why are my shadows still showing up |
| 23:54.07 | JademusSreg | Because they love you. |
| 23:54.09 | AlphA_VsT | i got rid of the actor event to create them :( |
| 23:54.19 | AlphA_VsT | I cant figure out how to turn it off |
| 23:59.47 | AlphA_VsT | fuckin stupid shit |
| 23:59.58 | AlphA_VsT | and its stupid shadow radius not being 0 |
