| 00:01.08 | JademusSreg | b |
| 00:03.50 | Daara | Thanks to denial I'm immortal. |
| 00:06.16 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
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| 00:29.39 | Irikuan | hey, I have a quick question about launch missile effects and the target offsets |
| 00:29.51 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 00:29.59 | Irikuan | Ideally, I want the ability to shoot 12 missiles at a target point (aoe splat) |
| 00:30.14 | Irikuan | But, I'd like each individual missile to find a random point within the AoE |
| 00:30.37 | JademusSreg | Don't persistents have a flag for random offsets? |
| 00:30.41 | Irikuan | If you remember the Cluster Missiles ability from the Goblin hero in War 3 - you'll know precisely what I mean. |
| 00:30.54 | Irikuan | I'll have a look - thanks. I asked because I have absolutely no idea where to look! |
| 00:31.36 | Vailreth | as far as i know about the periodic you must specify each offset and it will pick from them randomly |
| 00:31.59 | Irikuan | Ahh, I see. Thanks :) I'll test it soon |
| 00:35.49 | Irikuan | Guess there isn't an... easy... way to add in offset co-ordinates? :p |
| 00:44.59 | Irikuan | okay. it works perfectly thanks :) |
| 00:45.12 | Irikuan | My next problem is... these missiles (and every other launch missile) i've ever created |
| 00:45.19 | Irikuan | launches from 0 on the Z axis |
| 00:45.22 | Irikuan | and not from the unit |
| 00:46.13 | Vailreth | all missiles need a Action Actor |
| 00:46.49 | Vailreth | i believe its a generic attack type actor that controlls their launnch and impacct positions |
| 00:47.38 | Irikuan | I created a new Action actor, based on the Missile Turret Attack one |
| 00:47.47 | Irikuan | I changed the token effects to reference my abilities launch missile and damage effects |
| 00:47.53 | Irikuan | but still, they launch from height of 0 |
| 00:48.02 | Vailreth | they also require a unit missile unit and actor |
| 00:48.05 | Irikuan | And the missiles don't explode on contact |
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| 00:49.39 | Vailreth | a unique Missile Unit and Missile Actor |
| 00:51.12 | Irikuan | Ahh, I see... more longwinded ness :D |
| 00:51.57 | Vailreth | the way the game is desinged most objects can only be reffenced once |
| 00:53.47 | Irikuan | I've done everything now, but the missiles still launch from 0 and for some reason the attackimpact (explosion) is created as soon as the ability is used - but i guess that's something wrong in the events which i can fix |
| 00:55.11 | Vailreth | from here it should just be a matter of tweaking the attack actor and things to get it working |
| 00:56.03 | Vailreth | any data debugging solution would be appreciated by us modders |
| 01:01.30 | Irikuan | too many fields, and all it requires is one of them to be slightly wrong |
| 01:01.51 | Irikuan | and it's convoluted the manner in which you have to create a number of separate objects to achieve a relatively simple effect |
| 01:02.36 | Irikuan | what the community really needs to do is create a 3rd party 'Wizard' tool that will create a launch missile effect, actor, missile unit, missile actor, appropriate mover, damage effect, persistent effect etc |
| 01:03.50 | Vailreth | i guess some may find such a tool usefull. |
| 01:04.26 | Irikuan | it will speed up the entire process for everything in the data editor |
| 01:04.56 | Vailreth | i guess including wizards in the data editor would have been a good idea. |
| 01:04.56 | Irikuan | once a template is created, it will be extremely easy to manipulate it to suit any object or object>tree |
| 01:05.42 | Irikuan | I have it working now... the missiles explode when they reach the randomly offset target points assigned to them by the create persistent effect. |
| 01:05.53 | Irikuan | Except, they are still launching from 0 on the z-axis and not from the unit. |
| 01:06.17 | Vailreth | strange |
| 01:06.37 | Vailreth | does the action tell them to launch from anywere else? |
| 01:07.51 | Vailreth | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/starcraft-2-data-manager/ |
| 01:07.51 | Irikuan | target: Launch site is set to GenericAttackSite |
| 01:08.11 | Irikuan | Yeah, I've seen that... it's definitely moving things in the right direction |
| 01:08.29 | Irikuan | But currently only really useful for mass creating similar or variants of objects |
| 01:09.07 | Irikuan | I'd still need to create the actors, change the actor events for all the units I create with the data manager |
| 01:09.33 | Vailreth | Attachment: Launch Attachment Query - Methods is set too? |
| 01:09.55 | Vailreth | rather what is it set to? |
| 01:10.32 | Irikuan | aha |
| 01:10.37 | Irikuan | APMpatternmissileturret... |
| 01:10.41 | Irikuan | what should it be set to? |
| 01:10.59 | Irikuan | baring in mind that 5 separate units and eventually 12 have the possibility of using this ability |
| 01:11.54 | Vailreth | that seems correct i am just wondering what all may be incorrect. some of the attack actor must be invalid. |
| 01:13.48 | Vailreth | all i can think of is the art missile field not referncing the new missile |
| 01:17.02 | Irikuan | Just fixed that, but still launches from 0 |
| 01:17.48 | Vailreth | hmm |
| 01:18.36 | Vailreth | well color me stumped |
| 01:21.56 | Irikuan | Yeah, frustrating right? |
| 01:22.17 | Irikuan | All instant effect / weapons, for example, with no launch missile, just straight damage |
| 01:22.19 | Irikuan | they work fine |
| 01:22.27 | Irikuan | and their attack actions play where they should play |
| 01:23.13 | Irikuan | even setting the effect, launch missile, launch location doesn't help |
| 01:35.24 | Irikuan | there we go |
| 01:35.26 | Irikuan | it works :) |
| 01:35.39 | Irikuan | decided to go onto triggering |
| 01:35.45 | Irikuan | just happened to use the ability in testing |
| 01:35.46 | Irikuan | and voila :s |
| 01:38.56 | Irikuan | #frustration |
| 01:42.32 | Irikuan | Someone once mentioned a 'Damage Tracker' |
| 01:42.50 | Irikuan | What exactly / how does it / yeah, what does it do? |
| 01:43.27 | Irikuan | I have 4 separate target effect abilities which launch between 2 and 20 rockets to random offsets in an AoE |
| 01:43.36 | Irikuan | each rocket triggers aoe damage based on where it's impact point was |
| 01:44.05 | Irikuan | some rockets (different ability) explode over a duration of time, causing damage over time in the aoe |
| 01:44.16 | Irikuan | So it's pretty hard to quantify the numbers (for future balancing) |
| 01:44.45 | Irikuan | Compared to say, my blaster which shoots 4 lasers every 1.2 seconds dealing between 4 and 8 damage each |
| 01:45.23 | Irikuan | and search helped ;facepalm; thanks jademus |
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| 02:37.57 | AlphA_VsT | whew long day |
| 02:57.33 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4475014/Skill_and_Rune_Changes-2_15_2012 |
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| 03:22.57 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/MaleTrollArcher.jpg |
| 03:22.58 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/FemaleTrollArcher.jpg |
| 03:23.15 | Daara | Not sure if those textures will make the cut. |
| 03:23.35 | Daara | maybe i'm just getting too picky |
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| 03:30.15 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 03:30.19 | AlphA_VsT | thats fucking horribad |
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| 03:36.45 | AlphA_VsT | ops hate that |
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| 03:40.37 | tordy | wish there was a way to retrieve player names |
| 03:40.45 | AlphA_VsT | you can |
| 03:40.51 | AlphA_VsT | depending on how you want to do it |
| 03:40.53 | tordy | i know you can do handles but that doesnt help make readable names in lists |
| 03:41.02 | tordy | something like a ranking list |
| 03:41.05 | AlphA_VsT | you can get the players name |
| 03:41.08 | AlphA_VsT | and show them |
| 03:41.10 | tordy | that's the handle |
| 03:41.13 | tordy | that's the id |
| 03:41.19 | tordy | something else |
| 03:41.29 | tordy | other than that, it'll require player to actually his/her name |
| 03:41.35 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 03:41.38 | tordy | there's always gonna be dishonest players and that makes things screwy |
| 03:42.23 | AlphA_VsT | you just cant save the name of the player... |
| 03:42.29 | tordy | i know you cant |
| 03:42.36 | tordy | which is why i wish i could :[ |
| 03:42.42 | AlphA_VsT | you can show it all you want |
| 03:42.47 | AlphA_VsT | oh i thought... |
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| 03:48.54 | tordy | whatever happened to vexal |
| 03:54.53 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 03:58.35 | tordy | hello |
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| 04:45.16 | Kenoli | Willikers. |
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| 04:57.06 | QueenG | nobody in chat channel =( |
| 05:02.54 | AlphA_VsT | .. |
| 05:14.13 | ________________ | asdas |
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| 05:52.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Chat's dead eh? |
| 05:54.45 | Shawn|Rawr | x.x |
| 06:11.40 | Kenoli | Of course |
| 06:11.51 | Shawn|Rawr | Yep |
| 06:12.35 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 06:12.40 | AlphA_VsT | all day long |
| 06:13.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Until the expansion comes out I'm assuming |
| 06:13.18 | AlphA_VsT | in a year? |
| 06:13.33 | AlphA_VsT | no its just slow right now... it picks up now and then :P |
| 06:13.52 | AlphA_VsT | lot of people here are EU |
| 06:14.15 | Shawn|Rawr | I wish I had the attention span to actually do maps |
| 06:14.22 | Shawn|Rawr | I'll never be able to finish anything |
| 06:14.40 | Shawn|Rawr | It really makes me feel horrible, but I just can't do it |
| 06:26.19 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 06:26.25 | AlphA_VsT | i madea 5 hour map the other night |
| 06:26.42 | ________________ | what would be the most efficient way to make a player color changing chat command |
| 06:26.43 | AlphA_VsT | its pretty... but yeah i finished it hahaha |
| 06:26.46 | ________________ | switches for each color? |
| 06:27.02 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 06:27.40 | ________________ | that doesnt sound effieicnt |
| 06:31.04 | AlphA_VsT | why not? |
| 06:31.59 | ________________ | arent switches case sensitive? |
| 06:32.04 | ________________ | if a player puts like |
| 06:32.12 | ________________ | ~red, thatd be diff than ~ReD |
| 06:32.21 | AlphA_VsT | convert the string to lower case |
| 06:32.36 | ________________ | oic |
| 06:33.13 | ________________ | itd make the entire thing lower case? |
| 06:33.18 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 06:33.21 | ________________ | even if they type ~PuRPle? |
| 06:33.24 | ________________ | onice |
| 06:33.25 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 06:33.26 | ________________ | mmk |
| 06:33.34 | AlphA_VsT | thats what it does |
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| 06:44.18 | AlphA_VsT | OMG NEW MAP |
| 06:44.24 | AlphA_VsT | best idea ever |
| 06:44.53 | AlphA_VsT | are there any kid units in the game... |
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| 07:17.03 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't believe dying children was a concept Blizz wanted to implement alpha |
| 07:17.26 | AlphA_VsT | I know... |
| 07:17.40 | AlphA_VsT | they had children untis in wc3 though :D |
| 07:19.05 | JademusSreg | And in the context of an RTS war game, kids are too easy to kill, anyway. In fact, when playing on Metalopolis, just assume your units are killing kids by accident everytime a weapon fires. |
| 07:19.43 | JademusSreg | Oops, those bullets and plasma blasts and needle spines are piercing nearby windows and raining into the streets below. |
| 07:20.43 | JademusSreg | Not to mention all the spontaneous abortions as a result of mutations from the fallout of tactical nukes. |
| 07:22.22 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 07:22.40 | AlphA_VsT | i guess I can use civilains for now :P |
| 07:26.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade, you're going too far |
| 07:26.24 | Shawn|Rawr | I love you though |
| 07:28.49 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:33.27 | AlphA_VsT | yeah JademusSreg is always just a little much |
| 07:37.42 | AlphA_VsT | Im making hide and seak right now with a twist hahahahaha |
| 07:37.43 | AlphA_VsT | omg |
| 07:38.04 | Shawn|Rawr | I hope you don |
| 07:38.17 | Shawn|Rawr | don't do too much "seaking" |
| 07:38.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Pokemon is addicting |
| 07:40.07 | AlphA_VsT | ... |
| 07:44.22 | JademusSreg | Hahah |
| 07:44.24 | JademusSreg | Niiice. |
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| 07:57.21 | AlphA_VsT | quick math... how do i get the time it would take for a unit to move from a to b? |
| 07:59.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Distance/UnitSpeed |
| 07:59.13 | AlphA_VsT | i thought so |
| 07:59.38 | JademusSreg | You forgot to account for game speed. |
| 08:00.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Where does that factor in? |
| 08:00.15 | JademusSreg | The "time" part. |
| 08:00.30 | Shawn|Rawr | I thought unit speed was already in game time, not real time |
| 08:00.53 | Shawn|Rawr | oh nevermind |
| 08:00.56 | Shawn|Rawr | i see what you mean |
| 08:01.04 | JademusSreg | A unit's movement speed, assuming instant turn and acceleration of course, is the cell-distance it travels in 1 game second. |
| 08:01.40 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 08:01.41 | Shawn|Rawr | If he uses game time throughout whatever he's doing, he'll be fine |
| 08:02.17 | AlphA_VsT | so what does that mean I have to do? |
| 08:02.18 | Shawn|Rawr | or he can take a physics course and it becomes much more complicated |
| 08:02.33 | JademusSreg | Don't involve physics. |
| 08:02.56 | JademusSreg | It's just when asking questions aobut time, you need to know the time factor. =D |
| 08:03.01 | JademusSreg | *about |
| 08:03.32 | Shawn|Rawr | But as long as he stays consistent with the game time thing, it shouldnt affect too much |
| 08:03.46 | Shawn|Rawr | if he tries to use real time, it wont work |
| 08:03.57 | AlphA_VsT | im confused... |
| 08:03.57 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 08:04.13 | AlphA_VsT | it seems to work fine... |
| 08:04.19 | Shawn|Rawr | It does |
| 08:04.23 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: You know the most commonly forgotten constant when programming is time. =D |
| 08:04.33 | Shawn|Rawr | But we're discussing it a bit deeper than you need to know |
| 08:05.16 | ________________ | how would i have my create persistent offsets always be in the direction of the facing of my unit if its channelled and the unit turns while channelling |
| 08:06.22 | JademusSreg | Underscore, I am skeptical you cna get the same persistent effect to acknowledge a change in the source unit's facing. |
| 08:06.32 | ________________ | damn, didnt think so |
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| 08:07.08 | JademusSreg | Though having a persistent create other persistents with then apply effects at an offset might work. |
| 08:07.47 | JademusSreg | Though some effects allow you to define offsets as well, like launch effects, |
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| 08:51.09 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
| 08:51.23 | AlphA_VsT | this works amazling |
| 08:51.31 | AlphA_VsT | amazingly even |
| 08:51.32 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 08:51.47 | AlphA_VsT | but this fucking camera rotation is pissing me off |
| 08:54.49 | AlphA_VsT | the rotation is throwing off the offset |
| 08:54.53 | AlphA_VsT | idono how to fix it |
| 08:56.34 | AlphA_VsT | anyone be helpful? |
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| 09:06.16 | AlphA_VsT | no fine :( |
| 09:09.06 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vBMT2A2TRI ahh the nostalgia xO |
| 09:20.16 | AlphA_VsT | whats the best way to haev the camera always look in the direction of a units facing :D |
| 09:22.02 | A1win | I guess it'll have to be a loop with wait of 0.0625 sec and set camera angle over 0.0625 sec |
| 09:22.55 | AlphA_VsT | im having trouble setting the direction |
| 09:23.00 | AlphA_VsT | its not where it should be :( |
| 09:23.33 | A1win | hmm right there was something odd with camera angles compared to other angles |
| 09:23.40 | A1win | maybe a 90 degree variation |
| 09:24.02 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 09:24.17 | A1win | *difference |
| 09:28.35 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
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| 09:29.13 | AlphA_VsT | I have this first person camera that uses the right click to move smart click action :P |
| 09:29.24 | AlphA_VsT | I jsut need to fix this fucking roation issue |
| 09:31.29 | AlphA_VsT | maybe i can just turn on mouse roation |
| 09:31.31 | AlphA_VsT | lololol |
| 09:32.33 | AlphA_VsT | no i have the camera locked :D |
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| 09:48.53 | AlphA_VsT | fuck me |
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| 09:50.23 | Mexa | morning. |
| 09:50.37 | AlphA_VsT | howdy |
| 09:58.14 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
| 09:58.18 | AlphA_VsT | i hate this shits |
| 10:06.51 | Mexa | what shits? |
| 10:16.51 | AlphA_VsT | lol this camera rotating issue :P |
| 10:19.33 | Mexa | ah |
| 10:21.21 | AlphA_VsT | it wont stay behind the unit 0.o |
| 10:21.26 | AlphA_VsT | fucking idono |
| 10:22.34 | AlphA_VsT | it works fine if i take out rotating the camera :9 |
| 10:22.50 | AlphA_VsT | but its kinda poitnless |
| 10:26.08 | AlphA_VsT | ok well thats silly |
| 10:26.24 | AlphA_VsT | i set the offset to the camera it self and remvoed the offset and it works :P |
| 10:27.57 | AlphA_VsT | i have the first lag free first person game :D |
| 10:27.58 | AlphA_VsT | yay |
| 10:28.42 | A1win | nothing is lagfree on bnet |
| 10:29.14 | A1win | except client side stuff like selection and ability targeting |
| 10:29.45 | A1win | and built-in camera controls |
| 10:30.11 | AlphA_VsT | lol yes indeed |
| 10:30.17 | AlphA_VsT | and thats what i am using |
| 10:30.29 | A1win | huh? |
| 10:30.31 | AlphA_VsT | click to move system yay :D |
| 10:30.46 | A1win | well there's your lag already |
| 10:30.48 | A1win | ;p |
| 10:31.16 | A1win | there is a latency before the unit starts to move, just like there is with wasd |
| 10:31.33 | AlphA_VsT | lol... you know what i mean |
| 10:31.53 | A1win | err... not really o_. |
| 10:31.55 | AlphA_VsT | all i am using is smart click to move |
| 10:31.59 | AlphA_VsT | right click |
| 10:32.08 | A1win | what's so lagfree about that? D: |
| 10:33.32 | AlphA_VsT | you obviously dont get it :P |
| 10:34.06 | A1win | that's why I ask |
| 10:37.41 | AlphA_VsT | i know there will always be the 250 ms of lag and other factors... |
| 10:40.34 | AlphA_VsT | im not saying its truly lag free... |
| 10:40.55 | AlphA_VsT | just as lag free as you can possibly get... I dont see how that is hard to understand :P |
| 10:41.13 | A1win | I don't understand what part of it is any less lag free as any previous first person implementation |
| 10:41.20 | A1win | *than |
| 10:41.31 | A1win | you said it's the "first lag free first person game" |
| 10:43.37 | A1win | or do you mean the lag feels less annoying because it's not using wasd movement? |
| 10:45.05 | AlphA_VsT | exactly becasue your moving the unit how every other unit is moved... you really cant tell... |
| 10:45.30 | AlphA_VsT | maybe because I have amazing ping idono :P |
| 10:45.41 | A1win | lagfree is just the wrong term ;p |
| 10:45.54 | AlphA_VsT | i guess what ever |
| 10:46.03 | AlphA_VsT | im making tag :D |
| 10:46.07 | A1win | it's just a matter of how mouse and keyboard controls feel different |
| 10:46.16 | AlphA_VsT | it works |
| 10:46.18 | A1win | when you press a key to move, you expect to start moving instantly |
| 10:46.43 | A1win | but when you give a mouse click order to start moving, you're not expecting the unit to move instantly, so it feels better |
| 10:47.13 | AlphA_VsT | ive never noticed any delay when issuing an order to a unit :P |
| 10:47.29 | A1win | there is |
| 10:49.05 | A1win | grr why do my AI units still sometimes stand still x.x |
| 10:52.11 | AlphA_VsT | lol i notice it when the game is lagging really badly but yeah :P |
| 10:52.39 | AlphA_VsT | My ping is amazing though generally so things happen when i want them to lol |
| 10:53.03 | A1win | there is always the 250 ms latency ;p |
| 10:53.14 | A1win | you can easily notice it if you pay attention to the unit you're giving the order to |
| 10:53.59 | A1win | if your ping is more than 250 ms, it starts to lag out the game for everyone else too |
| 10:54.53 | AlphA_VsT | im sorry but a fourth of a second is not enough to notice |
| 10:55.40 | A1win | yes it is :P |
| 10:55.47 | A1win | you notice it with wasd too |
| 10:56.05 | A1win | as I said, it's all about expectations |
| 10:56.19 | AlphA_VsT | of course you do cause its added delay on top of the 250ms |
| 10:56.20 | A1win | usually you just aren't paying attention to it when giving orders |
| 10:56.43 | A1win | just go try it out |
| 10:56.51 | A1win | select a unit, stare at it |
| 10:56.54 | A1win | give a move order |
| 11:05.08 | A1win | any idea how to make terran building burnout fire actors always visible even in fog of war? |
| 11:07.05 | A1win | nevermind |
| 11:07.13 | A1win | it might help if this unit actually had the flames on it to begin with |
| 11:12.18 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 11:13.48 | AlphA_VsT | and i dont see the delay :D |
| 11:14.10 | A1win | are you even testing on bnet? |
| 11:16.02 | A1win | there's no way you can miss it if you pay attention |
| 11:16.35 | A1win | there's no delay when testing in singleplayer via the editor |
| 11:22.35 | AlphA_VsT | im in fuckingn nexus wars lolol |
| 11:28.27 | AlphA_VsT | I dont see a delay.... |
| 11:29.15 | AlphA_VsT | i see the unit stoped i click and I see it turn and move |
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| 12:01.57 | AlphA_VsT | lol what |
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| 14:22.46 | A1win | is there a way to hide the "Teams" game setting dropdown menu in the lobby? |
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| 16:21.22 | A1win | how can I make an effect that first searches for units that pass validator X in the target area, but then if the effect passes (finds at least one unit), it applies a behavior on all units in the target area, even those that don't pass validator X |
| 16:23.36 | A1win | can the search effect create another search effect on the target point after it's been validated o: |
| 16:24.22 | A1win | impact location effect I guess... |
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| 16:40.46 | A1win | bah, the first search fails if I have another search in impact effect |
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| 17:29.57 | eimtr | hi can any1 tell me how to fix some bank issue for which player it loads |
| 17:33.43 | eimtr | i save a different section for each player, what if next time player 1 enters as e,g player 4, it won't load his data if it is not the same section, or if it saves on different section each time he wont get the right data, or of the same section is used for all players. it loads the same for all.. |
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| 17:35.04 | A1win | you can use battle.net handle to identify players |
| 17:36.01 | eimtr | how exactly, is this an integer, idknow this option |
| 17:36.07 | A1win | it's a string |
| 17:36.22 | A1win | which is unique for every player |
| 17:36.32 | A1win | every account, that is |
| 17:43.23 | eimtr | ok but how i set them, say I have string variable with array for each player, should Iset the Var[1] = handle of player 1 var[2] = handle of player 2 etc |
| 17:55.53 | A1win | I don't know what you're doing |
| 17:59.32 | eimtr | i've string variable with array for each player, so that data saves on this vairablem say if it is player 4, ot saves on variable[4] section, but when the time comes to load the bank and save on just the same section even if the player enters on a different player slot |
| 18:00.07 | A1win | what if there are different playres joining the game than those who were playing it the previous time? |
| 18:00.53 | eimtr | well my whole load which data for which plkayer is a mess so idk what is best wat to do it |
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| 18:01.28 | A1win | are you trying to save the state of the entire game, or just for an individual player? |
| 18:01.52 | eimtr | for an individual like it is on many maps in bnet - soemtimes you enter as player 4 sometimes as another slot, always your data laods |
| 18:02.08 | A1win | why don't you just save it for each player separately? |
| 18:02.42 | A1win | so that everyone has their own data in their own bank, instead of everyone's data in their bank |
| 18:03.13 | eimtr | i think i already did that, i use pick each integer so under that it has Save Bank trigger |
| 18:03.47 | A1win | save data for player x, load data for player x |
| 18:04.13 | eimtr | i cant test it in bnet, so i switch between player 1 and say player 2 in the editor, to see if i get stuff as player 2 |
| 18:04.49 | eimtr | yes I already do that, if e.g on the map I play as player 1 and I get every time player 1 data and if i play as player 2 , i get the data for player 2 |
| 18:05.23 | eimtr | but if i play as player 1 then as player 2, because when i become player 2 it loads the data of player 1 , it gets a mess |
| 18:05.25 | A1win | why do you make it such a mess D: |
| 18:05.35 | A1win | you don't need to store arrays |
| 18:05.47 | A1win | just store the data for one player only |
| 18:06.06 | eimtr | i already do that, when it saves the bank it saves just for 1 player |
| 18:06.33 | eimtr | but when it has to load the data for me, since i select it to save for player 1 in section 'player1' |
| 18:06.51 | A1win | ._o |
| 18:07.05 | A1win | oh well I haven't even looked at how banks are saved/loaded |
| 18:07.08 | eimtr | and if im player 2 it loads from section player2 as i made it so that if you're player 3 yo get section player3 if you're player 4 you get section plkayer 4 |
| 18:07.32 | A1win | but I don't think you should be giving the saved data an identifier based on player number, just save it without an id on that player's bank |
| 18:07.47 | A1win | why did you make it like that? D: |
| 18:07.57 | A1win | if you don't want that |
| 18:08.13 | eimtr | then it would be the same as each variable array = same name or no name as you suggest |
| 18:08.27 | eimtr | and when all players use the same section name |
| 18:08.53 | eimtr | all players get a mixture of loaded data from all players |
| 18:09.12 | eimtr | lo0ol |
| 18:09.21 | A1win | don't name the sections per player |
| 18:09.29 | A1win | create a different bank for every player |
| 18:09.40 | A1win | and then just save the data without a player number in the section name |
| 18:10.32 | A1win | if you put player number in the section name, of course it's going to bug D: |
| 18:10.37 | eimtr | no, different bank for each player is the same as different sections in the same bank name |
| 18:10.44 | A1win | x_X |
| 18:10.48 | A1win | that doesn't make any sense |
| 18:11.03 | eimtr | handle is good idea but i cant test it in the editor |
| 18:11.11 | A1win | you can't have a bank with a section for every player on battle.net |
| 18:11.40 | A1win | you should store player A's data in player A's bank, player B's data in player B's bank |
| 18:12.01 | A1win | not every player's data in every player's bank |
| 18:13.20 | eimtr | well. i did that already - say im player 1 , i save the data in section 1 of the bank, so i get my stats only in my bank, if i were player 2 i'd get the same bank file but only player 2 data inside it sved in section 2 |
| 18:13.35 | A1win | that's not what I said |
| 18:13.51 | A1win | I said *don't* name the sections based on player number |
| 18:14.18 | A1win | Open bank Name for player 1 |
| 18:14.25 | A1win | save data to section "sectionname" |
| 18:14.30 | A1win | Open bank Name for player 2 |
| 18:14.31 | A1win | save data to section "sectionname" |
| 18:14.33 | A1win | etc. |
| 18:14.51 | eimtr | yes and u offered handle which is nice idea only i cant test it in the editor |
| 18:14.53 | A1win | sectionname should be exactly same for every player |
| 18:15.09 | A1win | no it was not a good idea |
| 18:15.27 | A1win | that way you'd end up saving data for every player you ever played with |
| 18:15.35 | A1win | and you only need to save it for yourself |
| 18:15.48 | A1win | banks are files on your computer, not on battle.net |
| 18:16.23 | eimtr | thats hiw my triggers currently work - i save the data just for my player, not for all players and u tested as player 2 you also get the player 2 data not anyone else's |
| 18:16.40 | A1win | I know what you did, you're not listening :< |
| 18:17.33 | A1win | the only place where you need to use the player number is when you open a bank for a player |
| 18:17.46 | Dustin | ^ |
| 18:18.25 | A1win | I've never even used banks and I got this just by looking at the functions in the editor <.< |
| 18:19.05 | A1win | it seems simple, you're making it overly complicated |
| 18:19.15 | A1win | 1) open bank for player X |
| 18:19.27 | A1win | 2) save data to a section AND DO NOT USE PLAYER NUMBER in the section name |
| 18:19.31 | A1win | 3) save the bank |
| 18:19.36 | A1win | 4) repeat for every player |
| 18:19.50 | Dustin | https://pastee.org/vkexh |
| 18:19.53 | Dustin | Look at that |
| 18:20.48 | eimtr | Dustin are you from thw |
| 18:23.29 | eimtr | Dustin do you want to help a little, ok let me give you an old version of the map, you will see how i save an load on it, will talk later |
| 18:24.37 | Dustin | im from everywhere :p |
| 18:25.40 | Dustin | JademusSreg |
| 18:25.47 | eimtr | DonDustin? from THW |
| 18:26.03 | eimtr | or not |
| 18:26.36 | Dustin | no im dustin from staredit, wc3campaigns, and wowradio |
| 18:26.41 | Dustin | other shit to |
| 18:29.10 | eimtr | ok, i will give my old map as it doesnt matter any further, was gonna uplaod the new one when i found this problem |
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| 18:35.41 | eimtr | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/24/605/Test111.SC2Map |
| 18:36.17 | eimtr | Dustin, can you see whats wrong say i get some stats as player1, they wont load if i change to player 2 |
| 18:37.17 | eimtr | u can PM me later in Mapster if you can show me a fix for it or tell me what gtg |
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| 19:10.11 | Dustin | wtf |
| 19:10.32 | Dustin | Whys this guy trying to use strings of playernames in his bank key |
| 19:12.14 | Dustin | This makes no sense |
| 19:13.53 | Mexa | Damn highfive. |
| 19:16.02 | Dustin | Sup meximelt? |
| 19:17.21 | Mexa | I always considered myself as a Mexaling when Jadmeus invented that for me, but oh well:P |
| 19:17.43 | Mexa | Working on that trigger reader/writer still. |
| 19:18.01 | Mexa | What about you? |
| 19:19.39 | Dustin | Making a melee mod that adds new game modes into melee like CTF, King Of the hell, Team Melee etc for my freinds and me to play |
| 19:19.47 | Dustin | hill* |
| 19:20.11 | Mexa | Aha |
| 19:20.16 | Mexa | Sounds neat |
| 19:20.27 | Dustin | Yeah, itll be fun and easy |
| 19:20.39 | Dustin | Just how I like my women. |
| 19:20.43 | Mexa | lol |
| 19:20.48 | Mexa | oh you! |
| 19:21.16 | Mexa_ | Brb, zug zug zug |
| 19:21.53 | Dustin | hehe k |
| 19:28.40 | Dustin | i think for king of the hill, im going to generate a circle area randomly on the map for a certain time then it moves to a another random spot etc |
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| 19:34.32 | Dresnia | Hey all. |
| 19:34.56 | Dresnia | Anyone know a good C# tutorial website + mIRC channel perhaps? |
| 19:35.03 | Dresnia | Wanna start coding my layout I've made! :-D |
| 19:36.14 | Dustin | layout for what? |
| 19:36.59 | Dresnia | http://i.imgur.com/YadY9.png |
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| 19:37.30 | Dresnia | It's a raw layout... Just wanna see if I'm able to code it :> |
| 19:40.19 | Dresnia | Or you think this is 'hard' stuff |
| 19:40.43 | Dustin | Form work isnt hard at all |
| 19:40.53 | Dresnia | Form work? |
| 19:41.11 | Dresnia | layout you mean or |
| 19:41.13 | Dustin | Ya, gui elements are called forms on .net |
| 19:41.42 | Dresnia | ah yeah that's easy ofcourse, that's why I've created this 'quickly' and now I'm kinda stuck since I know nothing about C# |
| 19:42.34 | Dresnia | (Arrival-Departure)-(Travel1+Travel2)=Worked and (Travel1+Travel2)=Traveld |
| 19:42.47 | Dresnia | so that isn't rocket sience I assume, just no idea how to start. |
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| 19:57.01 | Dustin | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa288436(v=vs.71).aspx |
| 19:57.15 | Dustin | Theres a list of some C# tuts, might be something there that can help |
| 20:01.38 | Mexa_ | That link is for visual studio 2003 |
| 20:01.49 | Mexa_ | I'd recommend to find the corresponding one for vs2010 |
| 20:02.49 | Mexa_ | Although the key points are probably the same, but the framework version might not be exactly accurate |
| 20:02.57 | Mexa_ | Indeed msdn is a good place to find out |
| 20:03.38 | Mexa_ | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/67ef8sbd.aspx |
| 20:03.57 | Mexa_ | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/0cs3416d.aspx |
| 20:06.01 | Mexa_ | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/cc136611 |
| 20:10.10 | Daara | how well known would you guys say Husky is? |
| 20:10.23 | Mexa_ | How would you not know? |
| 20:10.29 | Mexa_ | :p |
| 20:10.39 | Mexa_ | H to the usky Husky, right? |
| 20:10.43 | Daara | yes |
| 20:11.05 | Daara | He wants to help promote my map. |
| 20:11.11 | Daara | When it's ready to. |
| 20:11.36 | Ahli | how did you manage to do that? did you just mail him? |
| 20:12.33 | Daara | I didn't do anything. |
| 20:12.44 | Daara | I stumbled upon yours and am really liking where its headed. I'd love to make a video, or a series of videos if it does well, around your map to help people find it. |
| 20:13.50 | Ahli | congratulations ;D |
| 20:17.26 | Dustin | What map are you making |
| 20:19.45 | Daara | im porting wow models over and making them resemble wc3 units |
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| 20:20.52 | Daara | right now the map is kinda like a game of risk (which includes base building) and evolves into a king of the hill |
| 20:21.43 | Daara | he goes on to ask me if i can do a full port of wc3 for sc2 |
| 20:22.08 | Daara | i could, but i'd need help with creating some new models/animations |
| 20:24.07 | Daara | http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.372509879442643.106694.122709901089310&type=1 |
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| 20:50.21 | JademusSreg | From the depths, I come. |
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| 20:58.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Ew |
| 20:59.44 | Daara | You Nerubian now Jade? |
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| 21:27.28 | JademusSreg | <3 |
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| 21:34.06 | Starrok | Good evening. Anyone alive here? |
| 21:34.13 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 21:34.19 | JademusSreg | Nobody here but us corpses. |
| 21:34.38 | Starrok | Great stuff, that's about what I need. |
| 21:34.39 | Starrok | :P |
| 21:36.59 | Starrok | Anyhow, I'm a rather experienced WC3 mapmaker, who just opened the galaxy editor. And after WE, I'm experiencing some confusion regarding the new UI in SC2. Can anyone suggest some sort of beginner guides or explain how exactly it now works to me? Specifically, I need an example of unit creation and what do all the new elements such as actors stand for. |
| 21:37.31 | JademusSreg | The mapster forums have plenty of tutorials. |
| 21:38.26 | JademusSreg | But the short version is never use duplicate, always add object. To make a unit, you need Unit data, Actor data, and Model data if you want to be thorough. |
| 21:38.33 | Ahli | it's aliiiiiiiveeeee |
| 21:38.54 | JademusSreg | WEIRD SCIENCE |
| 21:39.31 | Starrok | I see. What's wrong with duplicate then? |
| 21:39.42 | Ahli | it is buggy |
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| 21:40.06 | Ahli | you need to repair most references afterwards yourself. that's like 80% of making these yourself |
| 21:40.20 | JademusSreg | For one thing, it's comparable to copying off someone else's exam; even if you get it working, you don't understand the coursework, so you're doing yourself a diservice. |
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| 21:40.57 | JademusSreg | And as Ahli points out, references will often be bad. |
| 21:40.58 | Ahli | just create a unit shooting a projectile from scratch :) |
| 21:41.02 | Starrok | I see, isn't there some sort of simplified version of unit creation for the start? Cause I kinda look with horror at the amount of parameters each unit has now >.< No way I can figure out which I need right from the start. |
| 21:41.31 | Ahli | you can leave most fields at the default value... |
| 21:41.38 | JademusSreg | Especially important when dealing with actors, since it copies the data literally and loses the token references in the process. |
| 21:41.42 | Dresnia | Evening fella's. |
| 21:42.14 | Ahli | jade, yes. I hate that bug... |
| 21:42.25 | Ahli | it never works anymore for me ;S |
| 21:43.07 | Starrok | What exactly is an actor? It's a new term which I haven't met in WC3. Description of abilities a unit has or something like that? |
| 21:43.13 | JademusSreg | The irony is people who need duplicate are precisely the people who shouldn't be using it. It saves time at the expense of understanding. |
| 21:43.36 | JademusSreg | Actors define the how and when of visual and audio. |
| 21:43.51 | JademusSreg | For instance, Unit |
| 21:44.13 | JademusSreg | UnitBirth -> Create will create the actor on the birth of the unit defined in the unitNAme token. |
| 21:44.19 | JademusSreg | *unitName |
| 21:44.24 | JademusSreg | That's an actor event. |
| 21:44.42 | Ahli | these are like tiny triggers |
| 21:44.50 | Starrok | I see. |
| 21:44.50 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 21:45.22 | Deaod | (theyve implemented a trigger editor inside the data editor, in addition to the actual trigger editor) |
| 21:45.38 | JademusSreg | Yo dawg I heard you like triggers |
| 21:45.47 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 21:46.10 | Starrok | Another question, where did they put the sound browser where you could import\export sounds and listen-check them? |
| 21:46.33 | Ahli | you have the import module for the raw sound files (should be ogg or wav) |
| 21:46.38 | Ahli | then you have sound objects |
| 21:46.42 | Ahli | in the data editor |
| 21:47.10 | Ahli | which have a type and control some other things you don't really need (except for making sounds louder). |
| 21:47.23 | Ahli | making sounds louder is missing in the editor afaIk |
| 21:48.05 | Ahli | in the sound assets you can add the sound files to the list |
| 21:48.45 | Ahli | and set the probability of the sound file playing when the sound is triggered |
| 21:48.53 | Starrok | Found it, thank you |
| 21:49.34 | Starrok | Another question, anyone knows a person named "DanathZ"? |
| 21:50.57 | Ahli | google says that guy didnt play sc2 since a half year |
| 21:53.08 | Starrok | Yeh, hence I was asking |
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| 22:01.42 | Starrok | Ok, so I created a unit, where do I find its model? I can see a lot of parameters but can't seem to find model amongst them |
| 22:01.55 | Starrok | Which category at least? |
| 22:03.25 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 22:03.40 | JademusSreg | The actor defines which model the unit will use. |
| 22:04.12 | Starrok | So in order to apply it for a unit I got to make one first |
| 22:04.28 | JademusSreg | Which is to say the actor has a model field, which references a model entry, which defines which asset or set of assets it will use. |
| 22:06.35 | Starrok | Thanks. :) |
| 22:07.44 | Ahli | since when does that article exist: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/actor/ |
| 22:09.36 | JademusSreg | It is at least one day old. |
| 22:10.01 | Ahli | yeah ;D |
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| 22:23.12 | Dresnia | Goodnight. |
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| 22:38.37 | Starrok | Say I want to attach tentacles ala kerrigan to another unit's back. Is that technically possible? |
| 22:38.55 | Starrok | As in, wing-type ones |
| 22:39.11 | A1win | you'd need those wings as a separate model |
| 22:39.28 | Starrok | So you can't detach them from Kerrigan? |
| 22:39.42 | A1win | not without a modeling tool |
| 22:39.46 | Starrok | Boo xD |
| 22:39.50 | Starrok | Thanks anyway |
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| 22:41.08 | Starrok | Well, going off, thanks for a warm welcome and tips :) Been very helpful to regain the interest in this. |
| 22:41.15 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
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| 23:05.12 | AlphA_VsT | rawr |
| 23:11.57 | tampa1adam | what exactly is the size limit for maps |
| 23:12.08 | tampa1adam | I've seen ppl saying 10 mb and I've seen ppl saying 20 mb |
| 23:12.30 | Deaod | look inside the editor. when publishing maps it should tell you whats correct |
| 23:16.06 | Ahli | 10 mb is outdated. it has been raised to 20mb per file |
| 23:26.56 | tampa1adam | that makes me so happy its 20 mb :D |
| 23:27.49 | AlphA_VsT | it used to be 10mb |
| 23:29.08 | AlphA_VsT | though 1 map could potentially take up gigabites of data with dependancies :P |
| 23:29.22 | Ahli | you just need enough people uploading the mods, lol |
| 23:55.56 | Shawn|Rawr | <3 |
