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| 00:30.54 | Mexa_ | Enum.ToString() <3 |
| 00:47.22 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
| 00:47.39 | AlphA_VsT | well i updated the stupid map for some reason |
| 00:54.30 | AlphA_VsT | SUPPLY WARS!!!! LOLOLOLOL |
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| 00:56.50 | Irikuan | yo |
| 00:57.15 | Irikuan | I'd like to implement a combat mechanic |
| 00:57.32 | Irikuan | whereby units travelling faster than 'x' receive a % less damage from certain types |
| 00:58.15 | Irikuan | Without creating a bunch of 'damage' effects and according 'movement speed' validators |
| 00:58.30 | Net_Creator | Hey, y'all. |
| 00:58.57 | Irikuan | Is there a field I can use to set the damage as a fraction? Eg: Base damage is 100, but if validator a returns true, the damage is halved, or if validator b returns true then the damage is quartered? |
| 00:59.45 | Net_Creator | Irikuan, I could only tell you how to do that via triggering, not with any data editor stuff. |
| 01:00.02 | Net_Creator | So stay here for a bit, someone else (who is probably currently afk) will know. |
| 01:00.09 | Irikuan | I'm getting close to my trigger limit for the map and don't want to start dependencies :( |
| 01:00.22 | AlphA_VsT | trigger limit? |
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| 01:00.28 | Net_Creator | Start writing it all in straight-up Galaxy. |
| 01:00.39 | AlphA_VsT | or use functions.... |
| 01:00.43 | Net_Creator | You won't hit your trigger limit, though there may be a function limit. :o |
| 01:01.03 | Irikuan | As a map-making hobby, learning a niche-language such as galaxy script, alongside my career as a 3D artist... no thanks :p |
| 01:01.07 | JademusSreg | It is mind boggling people hit the script bytecode limit ever. |
| 01:01.28 | Irikuan | I'll leave the coding to the monkeys. |
| 01:01.28 | Net_Creator | Hm. |
| 01:01.33 | Net_Creator | ahem. |
| 01:01.44 | AlphA_VsT | you shouldnt need more than one trigger for each event :D |
| 01:01.44 | Net_Creator | Thanks for calling us monkeys. </3 |
| 01:02.26 | Irikuan | Well my map is so far a complex dialog system allowing players to build a unit |
| 01:02.43 | Irikuan | currently there are 36 items, with a further 24 planned |
| 01:03.09 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:03.11 | Irikuan | and units can vary from holding 5 items to 12, with plans for 15 max |
| 01:03.31 | JademusSreg | I hope you use custom actions and apply the abstraction principle liberally. |
| 01:03.52 | Irikuan | Using one record array variable for all the items has simplified it greatly |
| 01:04.09 | Irikuan | but there is a lot of validation that is needed to assess whether the player's unit can have said component, or whether the component is researched etc |
| 01:04.27 | JademusSreg | If you use data tables to store data, you'll be able to allocate memory dynamically. |
| 01:04.47 | Irikuan | I couldn't find someone to explain data tables to me when I was being taught how records worked ^^ |
| 01:04.49 | JademusSreg | Useful for emulating classes, if you don't mind too much boilerplate code. |
| 01:05.15 | Irikuan | I have Component[x] record variable |
| 01:05.58 | Irikuan | each record has a .name, .type, .cost ,. description, .researchedboolean, and a behaviour/weapon/ability alongside an image file |
| 01:06.12 | Irikuan | Will using a data table be more... efficient/easier? |
| 01:06.31 | JademusSreg | Probably not. |
| 01:06.51 | JademusSreg | It's only useful if you need dynamically allocated memory. |
| 01:07.42 | JademusSreg | I hope you reuse your dialogs, rather than create-destroy them constantly. |
| 01:07.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:08.12 | Irikuan | Well, my knowledge of triggering is passable in that I can achieve almost anything, just sometimes in a roundabout way :p |
| 01:08.54 | Irikuan | And yeah, I have 5 dialogues for each item type, 1 dialogue to show information (since I hated the tooltip option) with 2 more dialogues to show current unit and cost of unit / available wealth |
| 01:09.13 | Irikuan | These are shown/hidden when a player loses his ship or chooses to re-fit or buy another |
| 01:10.58 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:11.12 | JademusSreg | Try using panels? |
| 01:13.00 | Irikuan | Maybe? :) |
| 01:14.19 | Irikuan | My map initialisation runs through a bunch of functions which creates all the dialogs and there dialog items, storing them in arrays, they are then all hidden and shown when required |
| 01:14.23 | Irikuan | is that the 'correct' way of doing it? |
| 01:15.11 | Irikuan | I have 12 of the dialog which shows what 'items' or 'components' a player has on his ship. Because I want other players to be able to 'scan' enemy ships to see what items they are running before engaging |
| 01:15.16 | AlphA_VsT | dialogs are hidden by default |
| 01:15.33 | AlphA_VsT | just saying |
| 01:15.40 | Irikuan | oh really? that's why I can't see any of it! THANKS |
| 01:15.46 | AlphA_VsT | ... |
| 01:15.47 | Irikuan | :3 |
| 01:15.49 | AlphA_VsT | lolol |
| 01:16.02 | Irikuan | Anyways, I came here with a data related issue |
| 01:16.17 | Irikuan | I want to implement a combat mechanic where by units which are moving (fast) recieve less damage from certain damage effects |
| 01:16.37 | Irikuan | my pseudo-method so far has gotten me this: |
| 01:17.01 | Irikuan | create 2 versions of the damage effect, and if a 'moving faster than x' validator returns true, apply effect B if not apply effect A |
| 01:17.05 | Irikuan | and B will be the reduced damage |
| 01:17.34 | Irikuan | Ideally I would like it to scale more variably. So a unit moving at 4 will take the maximum of 10% damage from certain effects |
| 01:17.45 | Irikuan | whereas a unit moving at 1 will take a maximum of 100% damage from the effects |
| 01:18.16 | AlphA_VsT | can you get the current move speed of a unit with data? |
| 01:18.22 | AlphA_VsT | i dont think you can |
| 01:18.42 | Irikuan | yes you can |
| 01:19.13 | AlphA_VsT | oh |
| 01:19.18 | Irikuan | my previous project involved a debuff that caused moving units to take damage, and I could specify numerically whether a unit was moving or not |
| 01:19.20 | AlphA_VsT | well then wahts the problem |
| 01:19.48 | Irikuan | Getting a damage effect to check a validator then run an equation on itself returning a fraction of the original damage. |
| 01:20.04 | AlphA_VsT | you jsut apply buff |
| 01:20.29 | AlphA_VsT | buff being damage reduce or damage increase |
| 01:20.53 | Irikuan | no, it needs to be instance specific |
| 01:21.15 | Irikuan | say for example a unit is moving at 3.5 and gets hit by effect a, while being in an AoE damage effected area |
| 01:21.35 | AlphA_VsT | have the damage be diffrent types of damage? |
| 01:21.36 | Irikuan | the aoe damage shouldn't increase, but using a buff to increase damage taken - will cause that. |
| 01:22.11 | Irikuan | Possibly. Will look into it |
| 01:22.44 | AlphA_VsT | all aoe damage should be one type... and so on |
| 01:26.29 | JademusSreg | I mean to advise, since most dialog properties are not player instanced (such as dialog position), using panels would be useful. |
| 01:26.56 | JademusSreg | *helpful |
| 01:26.59 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:28.08 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/UpdatedSelection.jpg |
| 01:28.10 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/UpdatedUI.jpg |
| 01:28.16 | Daara | I think this is good enough for now. |
| 01:28.30 | Daara | Just gotta change the other timer. |
| 01:30.38 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 01:36.51 | Irikuan | @Jademus - I've created the fitting dialogues all near enough to the center of the screen. Other two dialogs i use are anchored at bottom left and bottom right respectively. |
| 01:37.08 | Irikuan | I've tested the map on all available resolutions and windowed mode and it causes no problems - is there anything else I should be wary of? |
| 01:44.05 | JademusSreg | When dialogs and dialog controls/items are destroyed, their references are not recycled, and new dialogs and dialog controls are issued the next reference id. It is perhaps possible to hit a limit on these. |
| 01:44.38 | Irikuan | I create them all at map init, and show/hide them when required by players? |
| 01:44.38 | Irikuan | http://content.screencast.com/users/Cardinal.dsc/folders/Jing/media/9e5d0ff9-6203-48c8-8077-6f0cb7564e2f/2012-02-17_0140.png |
| 01:44.44 | Irikuan | (ignore how dark it is, monitor needs calibration) |
| 01:44.56 | JademusSreg | But I've not seen it happen. Even the most reckless of dialog users would have to try to hit the limit, I expect. |
| 01:46.02 | Irikuan | The 'default' dialog background and border images. Is it possible to change them to something custom? I've tried changing dialog background with the action in triggers, but it doesn't seem to handle it very well |
| 01:46.10 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 01:46.16 | JademusSreg | It's very easy. |
| 01:46.43 | JademusSreg | Set the image property. Takes a string path to the asset. |
| 01:47.22 | JademusSreg | For buttons, that requires setting two images, the default state and the mouse hover. |
| 01:47.52 | JademusSreg | And each of those images is formatted for the active and inactive states. |
| 01:48.21 | JademusSreg | If you are proficient with photoshop or a comparable tool that can handle dds, you're welcome to create your own. |
| 01:48.56 | JademusSreg | In photoshop's case, you'll need the Nvidia dds plugin, which works for the 32 bit versions of photoshop, but not the 64-bit. |
| 01:48.59 | Irikuan | But I mean, the 'Set Dialog Background' is not what I want? Do you mean create an image in the dialogue and set it's render priority to behind everything else, to simulate the background? |
| 01:49.20 | JademusSreg | Thankfully, installing photoshop on 64-bit systems gives you both builds. |
| 01:49.36 | JademusSreg | Set dialog background is what you want. |
| 01:50.08 | JademusSreg | For buttons and other dialog controls, you just set the image (and hover image if applicable). |
| 01:50.36 | Irikuan | So the Dialog Background image will automatically 'scale' to the size of the dialog? |
| 01:50.48 | JademusSreg | IF you want a dialog control image to behave like a bordered frame, you set the the image type to border. |
| 01:50.53 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 01:51.12 | JademusSreg | The image needs to be formatted in a particular way to look right. |
| 01:51.22 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 01:52.10 | Irikuan | What in what way does it need to be formatted? looking through the mpq I can't find where the default images (that are used for dialog bg's) are |
| 01:52.26 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/DialogTextureLayout.psd |
| 01:53.11 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/ButtonLayout.psd |
| 01:53.47 | JademusSreg | So long as the proportions are maintained, you can make the textures any scale you want. |
| 01:53.52 | AlphA_VsT | dialogs have a lot of defaults |
| 01:53.58 | Irikuan | Thanks Jademus :) |
| 01:54.35 | JademusSreg | You may want to fix that actor error in the screenshot. |
| 01:55.13 | Irikuan | Yeah, that's already done :) |
| 01:56.01 | JademusSreg | And those vertical columns of buttons are wasting space on the sides. I take it those are incomplete or are extended throughout gameplay? |
| 01:57.31 | AlphA_VsT | you really need to fix your monitor colors :D |
| 01:57.48 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:58.24 | Irikuan | @Jademus - yeah, the vertical columns have images, but they are hidden until researched |
| 01:58.31 | Irikuan | Every button is currently usable |
| 01:58.38 | AlphA_VsT | the frames should be metal colored, not purple :D |
| 01:59.05 | Irikuan | It's strange. The game looks fine, my monitor looks fine. It's only when I use the SC2 screenshot function that it garbles everything |
| 01:59.19 | Irikuan | Playing in a window and frapsing a screenshot looks fine. |
| 01:59.54 | Irikuan | Also, the textual display of components fitted to your ship is only temporary. I'll eventually have a nicer looking 'slot' system with images etc |
| 02:01.03 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:02.55 | Irikuan | but, more or less it works... |
| 02:03.16 | Irikuan | balancing and creating the 'terrain' is the next part |
| 02:03.20 | Irikuan | as well as how the economy will work |
| 02:08.03 | Irikuan | hopefully SC2 still has a custom map player base when its finally ready :D |
| 02:08.04 | JademusSreg | It's ideal to resize a frame relative to its contents. But since dialog frame dimensions are not player instances, that necessitates the use of dialog control panels. |
| 02:08.38 | JademusSreg | Panels are just containers within which other dialog controls can be created. |
| 02:08.45 | Irikuan | I just went with 288x288 since I can fit four 72x72 buttons and images within each :) |
| 02:09.01 | RipperRoo | hej allihopa |
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| 02:50.47 | AlphA_VsT | someone play my map lolol |
| 02:59.09 | AlphA_VsT | PLAY IT!!!! |
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| 14:16.11 | kmkkmk | In the Events+ field of an actor, whith Msg Type = Ability, what does sub Name = Source Cast Start mean? Does it mean, that the ability is casted, or does it trigger, if it is casted? |
| 14:20.29 | Kueken | it triggers, if it is casted |
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| 14:36.45 | kmkkmk | A bunker has Salvage on its command card. There are two abilities "Salvage" and "Salvage - Bunker", I think the later does show the +75 minerals, the first is used by the command card. I don't seem to find how the first salvage "calls" salvage - bunker, could you tell me how "salvage - bunker" gets casted by the bunker? |
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| 15:03.33 | Kueken | kmkkmk: The first ability executes an issue order effect, which orders the bunker to use the 2nd ability |
| 15:03.58 | Kueken | iirc |
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| 15:05.55 | Eldrazor | hi guys |
| 15:07.08 | kmkkmk | Kueken: I have found an Issue Order Effect, however it is in the Slavag - Bunker Chain, that issues a Salvage - Bunker (Refund). I have so far not found a connection from the command cards "Salvage" to the "Salvage - Bunker". |
| 15:10.05 | Kueken | The "Salvage - Bunker" ability is unused |
| 15:10.42 | Kueken | the bunker itself only has "Salvage" and "Salvage - Bunker (Refund)" |
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| 15:12.45 | kmkkmk | Yes, that is my problem, since "Salvage" does not display +75 minerals, and I don't see, how "Salvage - Bunker (Refund)" (which would display it) or alterantively "Salvage Bunker" comes into the game |
| 15:17.29 | kmkkmk | Kueken: how does "Salvage Bunker - Refund" get called? |
| 15:21.51 | Kueken | hm |
| 15:21.54 | Kueken | not at all |
| 15:22.05 | Kueken | also it works, even if you remove it from the bunker |
| 15:22.24 | Kueken | it seems to be a relic from a previous implementation |
| 15:22.42 | Kueken | maybe it was changed in a patch at some point, or it always worked that way |
| 15:23.05 | Kueken | so you only need the "Salvage" ability, it seems |
| 15:25.14 | kmkkmk | I gave my unit the "Salvage" ability, but it doesn't show the minerals, I don't see, how the bunker shows the minerals. I would understand it, if the bunker would call "Salvage - Bunker" or if "Salvage" would invoke "Salvage Bunker - Refund" |
| 15:25.47 | Kueken | there are 2 salvage abilities |
| 15:26.23 | Kueken | both have the same name, but one has the id "Salvage", the other one is "SalvageShared" |
| 15:27.01 | Kueken | the bunker uses SalvageShared |
| 15:27.48 | kmkkmk | I know, I am talking about the SalvageShared, but let me double check that. (I ignored the Salvage with ID salvage completely). |
| 15:29.05 | kmkkmk | Yes, [Ability] Salvage with ID Salvage does nothing and you can't use it for a unit, ability, since it is not set up properly. |
| 15:29.14 | Kueken | yep |
| 15:29.28 | Kueken | the floating text for the bunker seems to be a specific actor |
| 15:29.44 | Kueken | it is called "ConstructionSalvageTextTerranBunker (Unnamed)" |
| 15:30.03 | kmkkmk | indeed |
| 15:30.16 | kmkkmk | and if you would call [Ability] SalvageBunker - Refund, this actor would trigger |
| 15:30.40 | kmkkmk | but SalvageBunker - Refund never gets called |
| 15:31.07 | Kueken | hm |
| 15:31.43 | kmkkmk | SalvageBunker - Refund is only there to show the two texts for the player +75 and for the enemy "salvaged" |
| 15:32.01 | kmkkmk | The starting abilities are either "Salvage (ID SalvagedShared") or "Salvage - Bunker" |
| 15:32.07 | kmkkmk | the bunker uses the first |
| 15:33.09 | Kueken | the text also shows up, if you remove the ability from the bunker, though |
| 15:33.23 | kmkkmk | if you remove what? |
| 15:33.45 | Kueken | all abilities but SalvageShared |
| 15:33.52 | Kueken | ah |
| 15:34.01 | Kueken | look at the bunker's actor events |
| 15:34.07 | Kueken | last event |
| 15:34.24 | Kueken | hm |
| 15:34.45 | kmkkmk | yes, that is very promising |
| 15:34.55 | Kueken | seems to be it |
| 15:35.17 | kmkkmk | yes, I think this is my missing link, thank you very much, I look into it |
| 15:36.14 | Kueken | yep, removing the event causes the text to not show up anymore |
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| 16:20.08 | Deaod|work | does anybody remember the tests with very short struct names like s and S (in Galaxy)? |
| 16:22.25 | Kueken | vaguely |
| 16:22.29 | Kueken | what about it? |
| 16:23.27 | Deaod|work | well, some struct names caused problems when compiling |
| 16:23.44 | Deaod|work | i think in combination with sound variables |
| 16:23.55 | Deaod|work | has anyone figured out why? |
| 16:25.27 | Kueken | not really, it was just assuming, that those variable names somehow conflict or are reserved internally for something |
| 16:25.37 | Kueken | I just avoid them |
| 16:25.43 | Kueken | *assumed |
| 16:26.15 | Kueken | ot sure, if anyone else did some more extensive test to that subject |
| 16:26.18 | Kueken | *not |
| 16:27.34 | Deaod|work | well, yes, i guessed that they were reserved internally as well, but i was wondering if there might be other combinations of native variable types and struct names that dont work together |
| 16:28.46 | Deaod|work | and IIRC, the weird thing about those conflicts was that it made unrelated code show up as faulty |
| 16:33.00 | Kueken | don't know |
| 16:33.55 | Kueken | I only know of the s being reserved |
| 16:37.28 | Cheekything | Shameless self promotion and unrelated to sc2 but animation for Oxfam competition thing. |
| 16:37.29 | Cheekything | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eM_r9OXNBM |
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| 16:40.34 | Eldrazor | how do you make something autocast |
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| 16:40.37 | kmkkmk | I have a Text Actor that displays some text. It appears as if the text is too long, is there a maximal length? (I want it to show 125 [Mineral-Icon], 50 [Gas-Icon] but with all the <tags> it is like 300characters long |
| 16:40.42 | Eldrazor | i have the flags 'autocast' and 'autocast on' marked |
| 16:40.50 | Eldrazor | but it's not autocasting when it's able to |
| 16:42.31 | kmkkmk | Eldrazor, do you have an execute button for your ability set? |
| 16:42.48 | Eldrazor | as far as i know i have |
| 16:42.51 | Eldrazor | it shows up on the command card |
| 16:42.58 | Eldrazor | and when i press the button, it does the ability |
| 16:43.03 | Eldrazor | but it doesn't autocast |
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| 17:31.45 | Flaffen | is there something that can just bug a map? like bugging effects and shit? |
| 17:33.17 | Ahli | it's called "bug" and is a "programmer"'s mistake which causes the "program" to do stuff which wasn't intended by the "programmer". |
| 17:35.30 | Flaffen | well if you add something to a chain, does it make sense that it disables the whole thing? |
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| 17:37.30 | Flaffen | like set->dmg/search1->set2->dmg/search2->set3->dmg/search3->(when set4 is added, the whole chain doesent work) |
| 17:38.48 | Flaffen | i'm thinking if i fucked up something, it would stop working from set4 when i add it, but instead it disables the whole chain from beginning, doesent make sense |
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| 17:58.19 | Eldrazor | flaffen |
| 17:58.21 | Eldrazor | that kind of stuff happens |
| 17:58.23 | Eldrazor | one time |
| 17:58.28 | Eldrazor | i had an ability just... disappear |
| 17:58.30 | Eldrazor | from every command card |
| 17:58.36 | Eldrazor | i duplicated the ability |
| 17:58.42 | Eldrazor | and it suddenly appeared again |
| 18:01.13 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 18:07.26 | Flaffen | k, i'm making everything from scratch now Eldrazor |
| 18:07.35 | Flaffen | to see if i'm able to make the shit work |
| 18:11.16 | Daara | fun days ahead |
| 18:11.22 | Daara | working on horde now |
| 18:11.26 | JademusSreg | ORly? |
| 18:11.33 | Daara | oh yea |
| 18:12.45 | JademusSreg | I hope all of the enemies have qualitative differences. <3 |
| 18:13.33 | Daara | they will |
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| 18:16.19 | JademusSreg | Blizzard melee design has always had strong qualitative variation, increasing over time. Every unit has that "something extra", something Command & Conquer games could never quite grasp, though the later entries at least attempted. |
| 18:18.39 | JademusSreg | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/4482478/Free_Character_Name_Change-2_16_2012 |
| 18:21.59 | Daara | i have no reason for a name change |
| 18:25.44 | Mexa_ | I like that I now have another opportunity if I want to change though. |
| 18:31.39 | JademusSreg | Perhaps if they offered two free changes, I could do something silly with my name for a day. |
| 18:33.55 | JademusSreg | On a related note, it's a bit confusing when someone uses handle X on irc, and handle Y on battlenet. |
| 18:34.58 | Mexa_ | I suppose I'll make a namechange and become ever so forgotten on the irc then:P |
| 18:35.10 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:35.40 | JademusSreg | Mexa == Mexaprone isn't confusing; Mexa is just an abbreviated form, no worries. |
| 18:36.20 | Mexa_ | Aight |
| 18:37.29 | Mexa_ | Brb for the store. |
| 18:37.34 | Mexa_ | *going to |
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| 18:49.28 | JademusSreg | This sounds like an intriguing premise: http://eriksvedang.com/2012/02/16/else-heart-break/ |
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| 18:56.22 | Dresnia | Hello. |
| 18:56.28 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 18:56.52 | Dresnia | Checked out the 'WoW TD' on page 2, pretty cool how the models are used properly :o |
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| 19:06.42 | Daara | which td dresnia? |
| 19:07.06 | Daara | nvm found it |
| 19:08.25 | Dresnia | :) |
| 19:08.41 | Dresnia | You can even find items to gear up your towers, head and shoulders, pretty neath idea. |
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| 19:11.44 | Daara | my models are better :P |
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| 19:14.51 | Dresnia | Well not saying it's the best or so, I'm not up to date whats in the making, but just found it amuzing. It's not over-used or stuff :) But dinner time. |
| 19:15.09 | Dresnia | PS make 3 ranged archers around 1 flag and a small maze, max them, and you 'beat' it :/ |
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| 19:16.59 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
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| 19:49.02 | Eldrazor | this editor |
| 19:49.04 | Eldrazor | being so weird |
| 19:51.46 | Eldrazor | 3 pretty much identical abilities |
| 19:51.50 | Eldrazor | only #3 is working somehow |
| 19:51.53 | Eldrazor | i remove #1 and 2 |
| 19:51.55 | Eldrazor | #3 stops working |
| 19:51.57 | Eldrazor | . . . |
| 19:52.08 | Eldrazor | I ctrl+z to fix |
| 19:52.10 | Eldrazor | #3 still not working |
| 19:56.59 | Eldrazor | OK i restart my pc |
| 19:57.08 | Eldrazor | since it's seeming to add a requirement to my ability somehow |
| 19:57.14 | Eldrazor | then |
| 19:57.18 | Eldrazor | i try to use the ability |
| 19:57.21 | Eldrazor | i look again at button |
| 19:57.24 | Eldrazor | no more requirement... |
| 19:57.46 | A1win | hmm I think I'll make my researches require x previous researches instead 1 research of the previous tier, so you can unlock the tier 4 researches faster if you research multiple lower tier researches |
| 20:05.25 | Flaffen | @eldrazor, yeh, i'm starting to think the editor is severely broken somehow |
| 20:07.53 | Flaffen | got an upgrade wich disables my chain |
| 20:08.50 | A1win | it has bugs... best not to do anything unexpected |
| 20:09.04 | A1win | try to use it as "normally" as possible ;p |
| 20:09.29 | Flaffen | whats unexpected? |
| 20:10.07 | Flaffen | i was following a tutorial wich 100 other people also has, and they got it working |
| 20:10.12 | Flaffen | but for me, no fucking way |
| 20:16.35 | JademusSreg | It stands to reason that you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:17.02 | JademusSreg | That, or 100 people got it to work despite incomplete information. |
| 20:17.09 | JademusSreg | How likely is that? =D |
| 20:17.55 | A1win | I didn't mean the end result to be "normal", but the way you actually use the editor, like hitting undo/redo often or stuff like that |
| 20:17.59 | Flaffen | i only add 1 extra chain in the mix, just duplicating one extra set/dmg/effect ect |
| 20:18.17 | Flaffen | i almost never hit undo/redo alwin :P |
| 20:18.27 | A1win | that was just an example |
| 20:18.49 | A1win | and I'm not saying your stuff is broken because of a bug |
| 20:18.51 | Flaffen | anyways, i got the thing working with 4 chains, but if i add a fifth, it starts fucking up |
| 20:18.54 | A1win | it might be, probably not, though |
| 20:19.34 | A1win | bah this passive electric shock on being hit ability is quite boring |
| 20:19.39 | A1win | you almost never notice it being used |
| 20:20.01 | Flaffen | but i know the editor is kinda bugged sometimes, the upgrades part atleast |
| 20:20.57 | A1win | so far I've never encountered a bug that would've made something work like it shouldn't |
| 20:21.11 | A1win | there's always been a proper reason to it after careful study |
| 20:21.20 | A1win | sometimes those reasons are just very difficult to find |
| 20:21.23 | Flaffen | cant select set/add or type in numbers in the fields sometimes, buttons cant be clicked, one can be but you have to click above the button itself |
| 20:21.34 | A1win | O_o |
| 20:21.43 | A1win | which OS are you using? |
| 20:21.47 | Flaffen | windows 7 |
| 20:21.52 | A1win | weird |
| 20:21.57 | Flaffen | yeh, its not allways tho |
| 20:22.02 | A1win | oh well I haven't used the upgrades that often, dunno |
| 20:22.03 | Flaffen | but sometimes that shit has happened |
| 20:22.21 | A1win | trigger editor still has that annoying stuck in drag-drop-mode bug |
| 20:22.53 | Flaffen | wich has gotten me to think the editor is bugged, also a lot of other stuff that doesent make sense, like stuff working, then you edit something completely unrelated and it stops working |
| 20:23.10 | Flaffen | i stay away from triggers, hate em |
| 20:23.19 | A1win | :P |
| 20:23.39 | Flaffen | also one of the most inefficient ways of making a map |
| 20:23.54 | A1win | inefficient? |
| 20:24.32 | Flaffen | can usually do the same with like 3 or 4 effects/behaviors, compared to 30 lines of triggers |
| 20:24.43 | Flaffen | apart from visual camera crap |
| 20:24.46 | A1win | hah, depends on what you're doing |
| 20:25.07 | A1win | there are things you just can't do with data that you can do with script, and vice versa |
| 20:25.31 | Flaffen | i'm not talking about what triggeres are supposed to be used for, but see some people make income and stuff in triggers |
| 20:25.56 | A1win | errm... of course they are inefficient if you use them inefficiently |
| 20:26.00 | Flaffen | and selectable stats for heroes |
| 20:26.08 | A1win | <.< |
| 20:26.59 | Flaffen | like creating buildings |
| 20:27.37 | A1win | how does other people using triggers inefficiently make them inefficient in themselves? |
| 20:28.06 | Flaffen | i mean using it as a primary tool |
| 20:28.28 | A1win | again, depends on what you're doing |
| 20:28.30 | Flaffen | spawning units, creating buildings and stuff like that |
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| 20:30.55 | A1win | I'm trying to figure out how to make it absolutely clear for new players that they are supposed to start the game by mining rocks and returning resources to command center from them, and from refineries and forges (which convert neosteel into vanadium) |
| 20:31.28 | A1win | and to make them notice that they have large cargo capacity |
| 20:31.59 | A1win | I might have to resort to making a short tutorial cinematic |
| 20:32.26 | Flaffen | whats ur map about? |
| 20:32.57 | Flaffen | one question, can they actually do anything else? |
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| 20:33.19 | A1win | yeah, it's a very complex map that's probably too difficult for a lot of players to learn before they get too frustrated |
| 20:33.34 | A1win | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNZtrgClicU |
| 20:33.50 | Dresnia | Why bother complicity when the average IQ of the custom map player is around 75? |
| 20:34.11 | A1win | I'm making it for myself ;p |
| 20:34.31 | A1win | but there's no harm in making it as easy to learn for others as possible |
| 20:34.42 | A1win | I mean, that's desirable |
| 20:34.48 | A1win | but not the sole purpose of the project |
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| 20:35.06 | A1win | if the gameplay wasn't interesting for me, then I wouldn't be making the map at all |
| 20:35.23 | Dresnia | Then again, all the big crowd seems too care about is a lot of units and brainless spawning and killing stuff |
| 20:36.13 | Flaffen | well dont give em any other options in the beginning |
| 20:36.39 | A1win | they always have the option to just stand still |
| 20:36.40 | A1win | :P |
| 20:36.50 | A1win | I think I'm throwing too much info on them in the beginning |
| 20:36.55 | A1win | so some get overwhelmed by it |
| 20:36.57 | Flaffen | what maps u referring to dresnia? |
| 20:37.06 | Dresnia | Page 1 |
| 20:37.24 | Flaffen | guessing ur US? |
| 20:37.30 | Dresnia | @A1win, well, make a tutorial then, that's skippable, but do it in a 'zone' so they 'learn' new stuff step by step |
| 20:37.32 | Dresnia | No, EU.. |
| 20:37.45 | A1win | zone? |
| 20:37.52 | Flaffen | like footmen and marine arena? |
| 20:37.52 | Dresnia | map area |
| 20:37.58 | Dresnia | yea |
| 20:38.02 | Dresnia | desert strike etc |
| 20:38.11 | A1win | I can't start the map for other players if others are still watching a tutorial |
| 20:38.23 | Dresnia | That's the point |
| 20:38.30 | Dresnia | Don't create a video tutorial |
| 20:38.40 | Dresnia | make a part of the map the tutorial |
| 20:38.40 | A1win | how'd that help? |
| 20:38.43 | Dresnia | wich can be skipped |
| 20:38.55 | Dresnia | and if they run through that they gain info |
| 20:38.59 | A1win | it needs to be skipped by every player or by none of them |
| 20:39.14 | Dresnia | well, dunno what you working on |
| 20:39.26 | Flaffen | well dont have to have a video tutorial, just have the text come up, telling em what they gotta do |
| 20:39.28 | A1win | well, it's co-op |
| 20:39.44 | Dresnia | ok but |
| 20:39.46 | A1win | Flaffen, that doesn't work |
| 20:39.54 | A1win | the players read the text instead of doing the thing, then |
| 20:39.57 | Dresnia | could keep the 'others' busy for a few minutes right |
| 20:39.59 | A1win | reading takes time |
| 20:40.13 | A1win | alternatively they don't read it, and start doing random things |
| 20:40.16 | Dresnia | what's so complex then though? |
| 20:40.31 | Dresnia | you got special stuff like magic combo or such? wasd movement? |
| 20:40.46 | A1win | controls are from SC2, that's not a problem |
| 20:41.03 | A1win | but the overall gameplay is very different from pretty much anything |
| 20:42.16 | A1win | you get resources by mining destructible rocks, the entire 256x256 map is pretty much full of them (with some random tiles being air or debris rocks) |
| 20:42.28 | A1win | ...not that you need to mine them all |
| 20:42.45 | A1win | you get gas from refineries, they collect up to 200 in them before becoming "full" |
| 20:43.12 | A1win | you control one SCV that has a large cargo hold, so you can pick up all those 200 gas to it and return it all to command center at once |
| 20:43.27 | Flaffen | have text come up saying: You have to mine first |
| 20:43.50 | A1win | I have, but I don't think it's good enough |
| 20:44.07 | A1win | well, for one I'll need better rock models so that it's clearer which rocks are resources and which not |
| 20:44.28 | A1win | I mean sure the players can figure it out after some time |
| 20:44.34 | Flaffen | lemme try it? |
| 20:44.37 | A1win | but if they spend too much time figuring it out, they start lacking behind |
| 20:44.48 | Flaffen | btw, dresnia, what kinda custom maps do you like? |
| 20:44.50 | A1win | you're not in EU? |
| 20:44.55 | Flaffen | i'm eu |
| 20:44.58 | A1win | ah, hmm |
| 20:45.08 | Dresnia | I've created what I like |
| 20:45.21 | Dresnia | Got page 2, then downhill, like all of our work I guess. |
| 20:45.22 | A1win | well the balance is quite off at the moment but I suppose we could give it a try |
| 20:45.44 | Dresnia | Balancing isn't an issue though... |
| 20:45.53 | Dresnia | It's Math & Sheets |
| 20:46.02 | A1win | not with this map :P |
| 20:46.23 | Dresnia | Everything comes down too good old math! |
| 20:46.45 | Flaffen | but what kinda of maps dresnia? |
| 20:46.55 | A1win | too complex for me, there's a lot of 2D spatial randomization |
| 20:47.22 | Dresnia | I like survival rpgs |
| 20:48.33 | A1win | Flaffen, so wanna give this a try? the map lasts quite long if we want to complete it, but we can just quit if it's too long |
| 20:48.40 | Flaffen | sure |
| 20:48.54 | Dresnia | Need me? |
| 20:48.56 | Dresnia | I'm EU |
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| 20:49.06 | A1win | sure |
| 20:49.08 | Flaffen | hi again eldrazor |
| 20:49.13 | A1win | Eldrazor, wana join us in craftcraft? ;p |
| 20:49.37 | Flaffen | so u invite me or something ingame or do i just join lobby for ur game? |
| 20:49.55 | A1win | just a sec, publishing first |
| 20:50.44 | A1win | I've made some big changes since the last test so there might be some bugs as well |
| 20:51.17 | Eldrazor | meh |
| 20:51.18 | Eldrazor | no thanks |
| 20:51.21 | Eldrazor | i'm kind of bummed on sc2 atm |
| 20:51.28 | A1win | :x |
| 20:51.30 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 20:51.31 | Eldrazor | since the editor decided to make half of my effect - target abilities |
| 20:51.34 | Eldrazor | vanish |
| 20:51.34 | Flaffen | doesent matter, just wanna see if its as overwhelming as you say |
| 20:51.39 | AlphA_VsT | lolololol |
| 20:51.44 | Eldrazor | they're acting so extremely weird |
| 20:51.50 | Eldrazor | working on some units but not on others |
| 20:51.53 | Eldrazor | adding random requirements |
| 20:51.55 | Eldrazor | Permanent Cloaking |
| 20:52.01 | Eldrazor | i don't even know what that is |
| 20:52.07 | Eldrazor | and when i click on a unit to use it |
| 20:52.08 | AlphA_VsT | is there a decay on time played for maps? |
| 20:52.12 | Eldrazor | and look at the ability again |
| 20:52.15 | A1win | send me a message, Alwin.588 |
| 20:52.16 | Eldrazor | requirement is gone |
| 20:52.18 | Eldrazor | for _all_ units |
| 20:52.24 | Eldrazor | not just the unit that tried to use the ability |
| 20:52.36 | Eldrazor | so |
| 20:52.45 | Eldrazor | i'm going to take a small break from sc2 editing and stuff |
| 20:52.46 | Dresnia | Dresnia #707 btw |
| 20:53.42 | A1win | Flaffen, coming? |
| 20:53.42 | Dresnia | Why? |
| 20:53.45 | Dresnia | A bug? |
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| 20:56.22 | Eldrazor | and yes |
| 20:56.24 | Eldrazor | it's a bug |
| 20:56.25 | Eldrazor | most likely |
| 20:56.44 | Eldrazor | recreating the ability exactly and renaming it and changing the ID works |
| 20:57.00 | Eldrazor | it's just really really really really really really weird |
| 20:57.05 | Eldrazor | but now, dinner awaits me |
| 20:57.24 | JademusSreg | Check the XML? |
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| 21:20.22 | A1win | hmm odd |
| 21:20.28 | A1win | I have an ability with max charges 1 |
| 21:20.46 | A1win | when the charges are full, it keeps counting the cooldown |
| 21:22.12 | A1win | so if I use it before the cooldown finishes the 2nd time, the next use regenerates faster |
| 21:22.25 | A1win | but if I wait the cooldown, then the next charge starts counting from beginning |
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| 21:27.14 | Eldrazor | jademussreg how do i check the xml? |
| 21:28.15 | A1win | Flaffen, the gameplay works, that's been tested... the biggest issue is the confusion of so many new features |
| 21:28.42 | A1win | and the need to figure out strategies on how to play efficiently |
| 21:28.54 | A1win | I should probably stress the importance of vehicles |
| 21:28.59 | JademusSreg | View -> XML View |
| 21:30.29 | JademusSreg | Since data implements inheritance, every field in the XML is a value that explicitly differs from the parent. |
| 21:31.08 | JademusSreg | Makes it easy to spot differences in data. |
| 21:33.58 | Dresnia | Jade |
| 21:34.02 | Dresnia | working yet? |
| 21:34.11 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:34.19 | Dresnia | irl |
| 21:34.24 | Dresnia | or still a houseguy |
| 21:34.43 | JademusSreg | The two states are not mutually exclusive. |
| 21:35.05 | Dresnia | What |
| 21:36.00 | Dresnia | Mephs !!!!! |
| 21:36.05 | Dresnia | Does he still ignore us :< |
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| 21:48.50 | Dresnia | JademusSreg: You any good with programming in general? I need some basic info... (Or if any others?) |
| 21:49.58 | Deaod | just ask, dresnia |
| 21:51.02 | Dresnia | I want to create a small stand alone program, to keep track of a 'number'. (Weights basically) and be able to 'save' what is where. Let's say I have 5000kg, in parts of 500kg (I work in the weight measurement industry www.mt.com) |
| 21:51.23 | Dresnia | So I deposit 1500kg at customer A, 1000 at B, 2500 is left in my car etc. |
| 21:51.33 | Dresnia | To help keep track where my 5000kg is |
| 21:51.54 | Dresnia | What program language is 'easy' too pick up and able to do this ? (offline mode) |
| 21:52.03 | JademusSreg | Sounds easy. |
| 21:52.15 | Eldrazor | http://pastebin.com/H8hF595A |
| 21:52.16 | Eldrazor | jade |
| 21:52.19 | JademusSreg | Easy enough to do in a spreadsheet. |
| 21:52.19 | Eldrazor | tell me the difference |
| 21:52.22 | Eldrazor | aside from their ID |
| 21:52.26 | Eldrazor | and name |
| 21:52.50 | JademusSreg | HAha, they are effectively identical. |
| 21:52.51 | Dresnia | Spreadsheet looks 'crap' and it can't store customers, I want to be able to add comments and remember customers |
| 21:52.56 | Eldrazor | yes |
| 21:52.58 | Eldrazor | that's my problem :( |
| 21:53.02 | Eldrazor | one of them is showing up |
| 21:53.03 | Eldrazor | other isn't |
| 21:53.09 | Eldrazor | removing the one |
| 21:53.13 | JademusSreg | What does the unit data look like? |
| 21:53.41 | JademusSreg | Specifically the ability and command card arrays. |
| 21:53.52 | Eldrazor | o hey |
| 21:53.55 | Eldrazor | some odd thingies |
| 21:53.59 | Eldrazor | that aren't in the GUI version |
| 21:55.42 | Eldrazor | http://pastebin.com/50rbSNjQ |
| 21:56.23 | JademusSreg | Line 46 |
| 21:56.25 | JademusSreg | <Requirements value="GhostPermanentCloak"/> |
| 21:57.38 | Eldrazor | yea i know |
| 21:57.40 | Eldrazor | but that's the working version |
| 21:57.53 | Eldrazor | the DragRAGE is the working one |
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| 21:59.04 | JademusSreg | So you want it to have a requirement? |
| 21:59.13 | Eldrazor | no |
| 21:59.14 | Eldrazor | i don't |
| 21:59.18 | Eldrazor | it magically appeared |
| 21:59.28 | JademusSreg | Delete that line from the XML. |
| 21:59.31 | Eldrazor | i did |
| 22:00.36 | Dresnia | Spreadsheet looks 'crap' and it can't store customers, I want to be able to add comments and remember customers (/repeat) So, any idea for a program? VB maybe or is that 'hard' |
| 22:01.22 | JademusSreg | Deaod would suggest Java. I'd suggest C#. |
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| 22:01.41 | Eldrazor | thanks for helping me remove the requirement anyways, jade |
| 22:01.45 | Eldrazor | even though it's still bugging out |
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| 22:01.50 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 22:01.59 | Dresnia | Is C# something you code in notepad or in a tool ? |
| 22:02.06 | Dresnia | < not the genius one at coding stuff |
| 22:02.26 | Dresnia | but I guess I've got some brain-cells and times left for it... |
| 22:02.38 | Eldrazor | i agree with you jade |
| 22:02.40 | Eldrazor | it's very odd |
| 22:03.08 | JademusSreg | C# is a programming language developed on top of the common language runtime, usually, but not necessarily, written in visual studio. |
| 22:03.17 | Daara | Male and Female Orc Shamans done :D |
| 22:03.25 | Dresnia | I see. |
| 22:05.29 | Dresnia | is Visual Studio a must buy or is there a free normal version ? |
| 22:05.41 | Eldrazor | *cough* thepiratebay.org *cough* |
| 22:05.50 | JademusSreg | Or get the free express version. |
| 22:06.03 | Eldrazor | changing the formatting on the data also doesn't fix it :? |
| 22:06.04 | Eldrazor | :/ |
| 22:06.23 | JademusSreg | But if you intend to manage a database with it, you'll need to learn to use LINQ, as well. |
| 22:06.25 | Dresnia | *cough* I'll create a program on illegal software for a billionaire worldwide company I work for ? *cough* |
| 22:06.30 | Dresnia | Or isn't it a risk.. |
| 22:06.46 | Dresnia | Well it's not really a 'database' |
| 22:06.52 | Eldrazor | can't you get it from your boss then? |
| 22:06.55 | Dresnia | just reminding names of customers would be nice |
| 22:07.09 | Dresnia | Naw it's not a NEEDED tool, I'm just bored |
| 22:07.26 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a spreadsheet would suffice. |
| 22:08.10 | Dresnia | It would yeah, but as I just stated I'm bored |
| 22:08.22 | Dresnia | So I wanna make something somewhat useful and have fun doing so.. |
| 22:08.59 | Eldrazor | mmhr |
| 22:09.01 | JademusSreg | If you're not a programmer and have not the natural inclination toward the activity, what makes you think programming wouldn't be boring? |
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| 22:11.08 | Eldrazor | also |
| 22:11.09 | Eldrazor | jade |
| 22:11.11 | Eldrazor | some additional info |
| 22:11.18 | Eldrazor | the ability suddenly stopped working on every unit |
| 22:11.24 | Eldrazor | but if i give the ability to a unit that didn't have it before |
| 22:11.26 | Eldrazor | it works |
| 22:12.12 | JademusSreg | Hm. Do you leave SC2 open between tests? |
| 22:12.34 | Eldrazor | now and then accidently |
| 22:12.39 | Eldrazor | but i tried restarting my entire PC |
| 22:12.41 | Eldrazor | and it doesn't fix |
| 22:12.46 | Eldrazor | i tried publishing it |
| 22:12.48 | Eldrazor | and doesn't fix |
| 22:12.57 | JademusSreg | Very odd. |
| 22:13.01 | Eldrazor | so you'd think there's actually something disabling the ability |
| 22:13.05 | JademusSreg | I've never heard of an issue like this. |
| 22:13.11 | Eldrazor | i'm gonna look through everything ctrl+f ing the ability ID |
| 22:13.29 | JademusSreg | I know that using trigger actions to disable tech can cause unrelated tech to be disabled. |
| 22:13.40 | Eldrazor | really |
| 22:13.44 | Eldrazor | i have something like that |
| 22:13.52 | Eldrazor | but only once i think |
| 22:13.59 | Eldrazor | and shouldn't even apply to the player :/ |
| 22:14.03 | Eldrazor | besides, it's disabling everyone |
| 22:14.11 | Eldrazor | and the disable isn't targeted at everyone |
| 22:14.22 | JademusSreg | It's non-random bug with no discernable pattern. |
| 22:14.55 | Eldrazor | i've had something similar before |
| 22:15.04 | Eldrazor | duplicating the entry fixed the problem |
| 22:15.05 | Eldrazor | somehow |
| 22:15.20 | Eldrazor | and then i used the original |
| 22:15.21 | JademusSreg | I need to begin preparing dinner. |
| 22:15.23 | Eldrazor | so not the duplication |
| 22:17.36 | Eldrazor | nothing to be found |
| 22:17.46 | Eldrazor | i think i'm going to have to submit my map to that blizzard thread |
| 22:26.12 | Mexa | What map? What thread? |
| 22:27.08 | Mexa | oh brb |
| 22:27.12 | Eldrazor | my broken map |
| 22:27.15 | Eldrazor | and on sc2mapster |
| 22:27.21 | Eldrazor | submit it to the broken maps category |
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| 22:27.45 | Mexa | Sorry, could you say that again please? |
| 22:28.41 | Mexa | arf.- |
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| 22:33.45 | A1win | haha the roach bug wasn't fixed yet |
| 22:33.54 | A1win | I had also forgotten to remove Use Burrow requirement from Roach Burrow |
| 22:38.10 | Eldrazor | [23:27] <Eldrazor> and on sc2mapster [23:27] <Eldrazor> submit it to the broken maps category |
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| 22:43.56 | Dresnia | goodnights |
| 23:00.18 | A1win | is it a common bug in the way ability charges work that it keeps the charge regeneration counting down while it's already at max charges, and only if that count finishes, it starts to work properly? |
| 23:00.39 | A1win | I have an ability with 1 max charge and 60 second charge cooldown |
| 23:01.03 | A1win | if I let it regenerate that charge, and then wait let's say 30 seconds and use the ability, the regeneration is already 30 seconds ahead |
| 23:01.14 | A1win | but if I wait for over 60 seconds, then the count begins from the start |
| 23:02.42 | A1win | I assume it'll bug for abilities that have more than 1 charge too... |
| 23:02.54 | A1win | but I guess I'll change these to use cooldown instead of charge |
| 23:03.03 | A1win | those that have only 1 charge, that is |
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| 23:46.03 | Eldrazor | a1win as far as i know charges are a bit shifty |
| 23:46.25 | Eldrazor | if i use a morph ability from a unit without the ability to a unit that starts at 0 charges of an ability |
| 23:46.42 | Eldrazor | the moment morph is completed it starts adding charges up to the max every event interval (0.0625s) |
| 23:47.08 | A1win | :x |
| 23:47.20 | Eldrazor | and when i spawn the unit |
| 23:47.22 | A1win | well that's not an issue for me, but the other thing kinda is |
| 23:47.22 | Eldrazor | at map init |
| 23:47.27 | Eldrazor | it has 0 charges |
| 23:47.38 | Eldrazor | and when i morph back to another unit |
| 23:47.42 | Eldrazor | and back to the unit with charges |
| 23:47.44 | Eldrazor | it's saved the charges |
| 23:48.25 | Eldrazor | oh and i just thought of a fix |
| 23:48.32 | Eldrazor | give unit without abil |
| 23:48.33 | Eldrazor | the abil |
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| 23:50.22 | Eldrazor | oh wait the Lay Egg ability decided to vanish now, too |
| 23:50.33 | Eldrazor | woot |
| 23:51.36 | Eldrazor | that's it I'm reinstalling SC2 |
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| 23:59.06 | Eldrazor | anyways |
| 23:59.09 | Eldrazor | i'm leaving |
| 23:59.09 | Eldrazor | cu |
| 23:59.17 | Eldrazor | have a nice day :) |
