| 00:03.21 | AlphA_VsT | i haev them overridden |
| 00:03.34 | AlphA_VsT | they just dont do anything |
| 00:04.27 | AlphA_VsT | nope |
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| 00:24.02 | AlphA_VsT | cant do it |
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| 00:36.54 | AlphA_VsT | gah i wish i could do this |
| 00:39.13 | AlphA_VsT | impossible :9 |
| 00:39.15 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 00:46.41 | Technomancer | ok Alpha i'll bite |
| 00:46.46 | Technomancer | what is so fuckin impossible? |
| 00:47.31 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:47.40 | AlphA_VsT | ive tried this more than 1 time :P |
| 00:47.51 | AlphA_VsT | changing the loading bar... |
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| 00:54.00 | Technomancer | changing the loading bar.... hmmm |
| 00:54.13 | AlphA_VsT | yeah impossible |
| 00:54.16 | Technomancer | idk how you'd go about that, i'd imagine theres some graphical file for it? |
| 00:54.27 | AlphA_VsT | yes there is |
| 00:54.40 | AlphA_VsT | and no matter what i do it deaults back to terran race loading bar :( |
| 00:56.11 | Technomancer | oh, is this for the loading screen or in-game? |
| 00:59.35 | JademusSreg | "Currently (February 2012), microbenchmarks show Java 7 is approximately 1.5 times slower than C." |
| 00:59.39 | JademusSreg | Sad face. |
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| 01:00.47 | AlphA_VsT | the loading screen duh :D |
| 01:01.26 | AlphA_VsT | I went as far to set up a new loading screen reference... |
| 01:01.35 | AlphA_VsT | it just wont do anything though... |
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| 01:01.54 | AlphA_VsT | i even linked it to a new race |
| 01:07.32 | Technomancer | uhhhh |
| 01:07.35 | Technomancer | idk how to help u then |
| 01:07.44 | Technomancer | unless u edit the MPQ itself :P |
| 01:08.52 | JademusSreg | Probably requires layout editing, if I had to guess. |
| 01:09.39 | AlphA_VsT | i have looked for the loading screen layout... |
| 01:09.41 | AlphA_VsT | i cant find it |
| 01:09.45 | JademusSreg | But there's no guarantee that would work; it might not implement layout or asset changes until after the map has loaded for the clients. |
| 01:10.13 | AlphA_VsT | yeah thats what i have come to conclude |
| 01:12.27 | JademusSreg | But map loading bars are insignificant. The default, race-less one is fine for pretty much every occassion. |
| 01:14.55 | AlphA_VsT | but i want custom... |
| 01:16.05 | Technomancer | waaaah baby want custom loading bar, waaahhhh |
| 01:16.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:16.13 | Technomancer | ;P |
| 01:16.29 | Technomancer | idk ANYONE else who ever did a custom loading bar |
| 01:16.46 | Technomancer | screen wallpaper sure great fine, thats honestly all u need, loads more important anyhow |
| 01:19.25 | AlphA_VsT | not its not :P |
| 01:20.05 | JademusSreg | What does your custom loading bar look like? =D |
| 01:20.59 | AlphA_VsT | just a diffrent color right now |
| 01:21.15 | AlphA_VsT | I wasnt going to put the effort into it if i couldnt make it work :P |
| 01:28.33 | AlphA_VsT | It should be possible to do though gah |
| 01:30.33 | Technomancer | howd u make it dif colour? |
| 01:33.25 | AlphA_VsT | its a texture |
| 01:33.46 | AlphA_VsT | 3 textures actually |
| 01:34.26 | Technomancer | yes but is the loading bar actually part of the map file? :S |
| 01:36.36 | AlphA_VsT | no :P but you can add races... |
| 01:36.41 | Technomancer | true |
| 01:36.45 | AlphA_VsT | and races need a laoding bar |
| 01:36.55 | AlphA_VsT | well they dont need but they have |
| 01:49.15 | JademusSreg | I forget where to find the asset definition file. |
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| 04:03.09 | Daara | What a good day today was. |
| 04:03.28 | Daara | I found my hat, 6 pairs of jeans, and my black socks. :D |
| 04:03.37 | Daara | ~dance |
| 04:03.37 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 04:05.07 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 04:07.54 | A1win | hmm... I think my biggest balance problem is that it's not possible to lose fast, and there's always time to recover, so if it's too hard, the game just lasts longer instead of ends |
| 04:08.42 | Daara | Should probably make it so if you fail miserably you lose. |
| 04:08.55 | Daara | It's a team game isn't it? |
| 04:09.16 | A1win | yeah but the problem is that you can't easily fail miserably |
| 04:09.17 | A1win | :x |
| 04:09.42 | A1win | well you can if you're not good at the game |
| 04:10.13 | A1win | so I probably need bigger attacks that need to be defended properly instead of continuous waves |
| 04:12.02 | JademusSreg | Hm. Might be fun to make a multipurpose AI. |
| 04:17.17 | Daara | haha |
| 04:17.22 | Daara | my friends already all quit Sw:ToR |
| 04:18.21 | JademusSreg | What were their reasons? |
| 04:18.28 | Daara | it's the same shit as WoW |
| 04:19.03 | JademusSreg | I would have prefered a more descriptive response, but that will suffice. |
| 04:19.14 | Daara | well, that was their reason |
| 04:19.42 | Daara | I would assume that they mean that everything feels the exact same. That the end goal is the same and that you just have nothing to do outside of that goal. |
| 04:20.18 | JademusSreg | Any MMO designed to be a commercial success is expected to emulate WoW. Which is a special flavor of hilarious. |
| 04:20.53 | Daara | They aren't even as good as WoW either. |
| 04:21.21 | Daara | I have had no desire to go back to Aion or Rift. |
| 04:21.32 | Daara | But I still go back and play WoW every once in awhile. |
| 04:23.46 | Daara | I feel like a lot of companies have no faith in their ability to create something new. |
| 04:24.05 | Daara | So they rehash the same crap we've been fed the last 10 years. |
| 04:24.47 | Daara | I really don't understand the Starcraft community either. |
| 04:25.01 | Daara | How are Nexus Wars and Desert whatever still top 5? |
| 04:25.17 | Daara | I mean they were fun, the first 10 times. |
| 04:25.37 | Daara | Just like some TD's are fun, until you beat them. |
| 04:26.14 | Daara | I don't understand how you can log onto SC2 and play it all day every day. I mean, I've seen some people with 800+ wins in Squadron Defense.... |
| 04:26.53 | JademusSreg | Tugs dominate the charts because they are PvP and the matches usually last a while. |
| 04:27.36 | Daara | There were much better tugs than those 2. |
| 04:28.04 | JademusSreg | And they require significantly less time to develop than, say, a dota-clone. |
| 04:28.25 | Daara | Well, Sotis sucks anyway. |
| 04:28.41 | Daara | It's the first game I've played that has caused my computer to lag. |
| 04:28.55 | Daara | I had to turn my settings down for a fucking custom sc2 map... |
| 04:29.34 | JademusSreg | I cannot speak to the effect of its gameplay. The utter nonsense of it turned me off. |
| 04:29.56 | Daara | They tried way too hard to make it look great. |
| 04:30.13 | JademusSreg | Imperial Sanctum? Flaming hydralisk? Dota clone? Wat |
| 04:31.05 | JademusSreg | I remember playing with a friend during beta. "Why the fuck is this hydralisk on fire?!" |
| 04:31.10 | Daara | lol |
| 04:31.19 | Daara | Have you checked it out recently? |
| 04:31.26 | Daara | The hero selection screen lags so hard. |
| 04:31.27 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 04:31.54 | JademusSreg | First impressions, for better or worse, are weighted disproportionately in our judgments of things. |
| 04:31.57 | Daara | like 8 million dialogs on map init |
| 04:32.31 | Daara | Yea, I'm sure the game isn't that bad. |
| 04:33.13 | Daara | But....my first 5-6 experiences included horrible lag, overly-flashy effects, and simply less fun that HoN, LoL, and Dota. |
| 04:33.46 | Daara | That and the min 250 ms... |
| 04:34.13 | JademusSreg | True.dat |
| 04:35.04 | JademusSreg | Latency can kill pretty much any response-precise game. |
| 04:35.45 | Daara | You can definitely notice the difference when testing your maps offline and online. |
| 04:37.04 | JademusSreg | Take Aphotic's Magecraft as a good example. Entirely skillshot based, very response-intensive. |
| 04:37.35 | JademusSreg | Bnet latency makes playing it like herding cats. |
| 04:37.45 | Net_Creator | SotIS... |
| 04:37.50 | Net_Creator | SotIS was good.. during beta. |
| 04:38.15 | JademusSreg | Even Dota was based vaguely on Warcraft lore. |
| 04:38.30 | Net_Creator | Does ekcolnovkol still lead development on that? |
| 04:38.49 | Daara | I don't even know who made it. |
| 04:38.49 | JademusSreg | Sotis is a schizophrenic disassociative fugue. |
| 04:38.54 | Daara | I just know it was a group of people. |
| 04:39.16 | Net_Creator | SotIS was, at one time, a single person. |
| 04:39.20 | Net_Creator | I can't say whether or not it still is. |
| 04:39.44 | Net_Creator | Ekcolnovkol was (and may still be) the developer for it. |
| 04:41.53 | Daara | Last I played it was nearly unplayable. |
| 04:43.26 | JademusSreg | Last I played it was during beta. Just once. |
| 04:44.27 | JademusSreg | And like crack, I don't need to try it again to confirm I don't enjoy it. |
| 04:45.51 | Daara | lol |
| 04:53.50 | Joeffect | thats it im making a tug o war game lolol |
| 04:54.52 | Daara | If you want to get up on the popularity just make a game that can never end. |
| 04:55.00 | Daara | Like Special Forces. |
| 04:55.12 | Joeffect | ok... |
| 04:55.19 | Joeffect | I am making the game never ending |
| 04:55.36 | Daara | Well Special Forces has an end. |
| 04:55.45 | Joeffect | Nope |
| 04:55.53 | Daara | It just takes like 3 hours of play and you just can't beat it, so you lose. |
| 04:55.54 | Joeffect | how about this |
| 04:56.04 | Joeffect | ive beat it lolol |
| 04:56.05 | Joeffect | noob |
| 04:56.10 | Daara | How long ago? |
| 04:56.17 | Joeffect | like 2 week ago? |
| 04:56.22 | Daara | Ok well he updated it. |
| 04:56.28 | Daara | I played it 2 days ago. |
| 04:56.38 | Joeffect | ? |
| 04:56.43 | Joeffect | Ha |
| 04:56.43 | Daara | And i got to the end and the last thing "i think" raped everything hardcore. |
| 04:57.00 | Joeffect | I am making a game that jsut repeats itself myhahahaha |
| 04:57.08 | JademusSreg | If you want it to never ned -and- hold on to player attention, you need to dynamically generate content. |
| 04:57.14 | JademusSreg | *end |
| 04:57.37 | Joeffect | i always make maps with random content |
| 04:57.44 | Joeffect | I jsut never finish them cause of it :p |
| 04:57.55 | JademusSreg | Random is not necessarily dynamic. |
| 04:59.04 | JademusSreg | Think more on par with the Director system in the Left 4 Dead games. |
| 04:59.35 | Joeffect | i never played left 4 daed :D |
| 05:00.06 | JademusSreg | Then do a search and read up on how The Director works. |
| 05:02.58 | Joeffect | :P |
| 05:04.51 | A1win | oh fffff it's only the roaches that bug with the AI >_> |
| 05:05.09 | A1win | because I'm giving them order to burrow using the infested terran burrow ability |
| 05:05.22 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:06.03 | A1win | unburrow is shared with them, somehow |
| 05:06.05 | JademusSreg | uses Can of Bug Spray. Roach takes 255 damage. Roach becomes tame. |
| 05:06.07 | A1win | how can I make also the burrow shared? |
| 05:06.11 | JademusSreg | gains 25 experience points. |
| 05:06.57 | JademusSreg | You could put all the burrows under an umbrella, like Stimpack. |
| 05:08.02 | A1win | no wait that's not the problem |
| 05:08.09 | A1win | the burrowed roach costs resources |
| 05:08.12 | A1win | and the player doesn't have them |
| 05:08.14 | A1win | <.< |
| 05:08.16 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
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| 05:08.54 | Joeffect | lol |
| 05:10.44 | Joeffect | Im going to finish this map tonight its so eaasy |
| 05:10.47 | Joeffect | lolol |
| 05:11.36 | Joeffect | I think i might have jsut made something newish yay |
| 05:12.01 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't such a small development window result in a lack of quality? |
| 05:12.49 | Joeffect | NO |
| 05:12.54 | Joeffect | maybe |
| 05:12.57 | Joeffect | but does it matter? |
| 05:13.03 | Joeffect | that jsut means it will do better :D |
| 05:13.20 | A1win | just had a fresh tester today, turns out my beginning is *still* overly confusing |
| 05:13.29 | Joeffect | lol |
| 05:13.49 | A1win | it's not even clear which rocks provide resources, I really need better models for them :< |
| 05:14.10 | JademusSreg | Are you asking if quality matters or asserting that "doing better", by which I assume you intend it will be more popular, correlates to a lack of quality? |
| 05:15.59 | A1win | next step is to figure out how to implement target priorizing based on how many units are already targeting those targets, so that I won't have like 20 units trying to attack the same goliath and end up just running into a small gap where the goliath can kill them one by one =p |
| 05:17.09 | A1win | I was thinking of keeping track of target count in each unit's custom value but I'm not sure if I can reliably take every case into account, like the attacker dying etc |
| 05:18.15 | A1win | if assumed that the AI unit stays alive, then it shouldn't be a problem... but when it dies, would I still be able to get its current order target unit D: |
| 05:18.52 | A1win | well one way to find out... |
| 05:27.09 | A1win | bah I can't do it like this, the units don't always have a target in their order if they're burrowing or something |
| 05:28.21 | A1win | hmm |
| 05:28.56 | A1win | why don't I just check for number of enemy units near the target o: |
| 05:29.31 | A1win | would give an even better idea of if attacking it is a good idea |
| 05:31.02 | Joeffect | yes JademusSreg lack of quality == popularity :D |
| 05:33.21 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:50.43 | A1win | bah this doesn't really work either, I should be checking for empty space and not just units... dunno if I really want to do that, would have to check for both pathing and collisions |
| 05:52.04 | A1win | maybe I just have too long aggro range on goliaths... |
| 05:52.16 | Joeffect | i finished teh terrain but i think i want to make it bigger :p |
| 05:53.06 | Joeffect | im going to use a old terrain file :P |
| 05:58.32 | Joeffect | i think im making a 12 player game weee |
| 06:00.57 | A1win | I think this will be one of those "If at first you don't succeed, try again." kinda maps =p |
| 06:02.06 | A1win | I'll try my best to make it easy to learn, but I won't cut off features that make the gameplay interesting just to make it easy to learn for every player out there |
| 06:03.28 | A1win | I'm more interested in inventing and experimenting with new types of gameplay than gaining nonprofit popularity anyway |
| 06:04.05 | Joeffect | lol |
| 06:04.05 | Joeffect | :D |
| 06:05.31 | A1win | I didn't even realize how many things there are that can be done wrong in this map before seeing how new players played |
| 06:06.00 | Joeffect | lol |
| 06:06.06 | Joeffect | thats why you test |
| 06:06.23 | Joeffect | cause really you know what to do so its like why would you do anything diffrent |
| 06:06.23 | Joeffect | :D |
| 06:06.32 | A1win | like something simple as base placement, I've been keeping everything as compact as possible and building things to perfectly fill the grid space, but now that I think of it, it takes quite some time to figure out the best placement, or even that the placement is actually very important |
| 06:07.06 | A1win | the less space the base takes, the easier it is to defend with turrets |
| 06:07.34 | A1win | hmm |
| 06:08.01 | A1win | maybe I should reward the players based on how far they get in the map, so that they'd realize it's not intended to be defeated on the first run |
| 06:08.18 | A1win | though I guess most custom maps work like that anyway |
| 06:08.24 | A1win | maybe the players are used to it D: |
| 06:09.22 | JademusSreg | A1, under what set of circumstances, not just in your game, but in any game, would it be desirable to not have a compact base? |
| 06:10.33 | A1win | mmh well that's true ;p it's just not easy to make it compact because the tiles are so big (things are scaled down to 75%) |
| 06:11.11 | Joeffect | OMG |
| 06:11.23 | Joeffect | i did something now i cant figgure out what |
| 06:11.28 | A1win | just slight misplacement of a turret can mean that you have to build your next big structure in some weird spot |
| 06:12.43 | Joeffect | i cant modify glolbal variables |
| 06:12.46 | Joeffect | wtf did i jsut do |
| 06:12.57 | Joeffect | and when i make them they pop up in some list thing |
| 06:13.27 | Joeffect | nm i found it |
| 06:23.00 | Joeffect | OMG THIS IS CONFUSING ALREADY!!!!! |
| 06:27.02 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 06:27.39 | Daara | uh...wat? |
| 06:27.40 | Daara | Cannot create frame: HeroPanel. Frames of type: HeroPanel are marked as Blizzard Only and cannot be created by users. |
| 06:28.15 | Daara | http://pastebin.com/Sd74utDX |
| 06:28.15 | Daara | that's my layout file |
| 06:29.21 | JademusSreg | You're trying to create a new hero and control group panel? |
| 06:29.26 | Daara | no |
| 06:29.28 | Daara | i'm moving them |
| 06:29.37 | Daara | it moves the control group panel fine |
| 06:29.42 | JademusSreg | Then why are you referencing the templates? |
| 06:30.14 | Daara | cause i'm a retard? |
| 06:30.21 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:31.26 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you should only need to define a template when you create a new frame. Since you're overriding values in existing frames, it doesn't make sense to redefine the template. |
| 06:31.51 | Daara | well i guess in that case you can create new control groups |
| 06:32.05 | Joeffect | lol |
| 06:32.49 | Daara | removed the template reference get same error |
| 06:32.56 | JademusSreg | Weird. |
| 06:33.37 | Daara | I just want to move it from the bottom right to the top left |
| 06:33.38 | Daara | like wc3 |
| 06:33.52 | Daara | once i get it up there i can make it file down the left side |
| 06:35.53 | JademusSreg | Even though you're doing the lazy path by referencing their mutual parent in the name element on line 3, it should still work. =D |
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| 06:36.49 | Thetubbygoat | aaaand boom goes the dynamite |
| 06:37.29 | Thetubbygoat | ok so anyways |
| 06:37.33 | Thetubbygoat | all my code |
| 06:37.35 | Thetubbygoat | is fine |
| 06:37.38 | Thetubbygoat | according to everyone i asked |
| 06:37.44 | Thetubbygoat | and then the compiler is all like |
| 06:37.46 | Thetubbygoat | )%(#)%*^)#^ |
| 06:37.49 | Thetubbygoat | and im like |
| 06:37.52 | Thetubbygoat | WTTFFUUUH |
| 06:38.03 | Daara | i'm having one of those moments too |
| 06:38.11 | Daara | this hero button refuses to move |
| 06:38.26 | JademusSreg | I see the problem. |
| 06:38.55 | Daara | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.59 | JademusSreg | It's funny, after I said "referencing their mutual parent", I decided to confirm if that was the case. |
| 06:39.14 | JademusSreg | There ya go. |
| 06:39.26 | Daara | just caught that myself |
| 06:43.38 | Thetubbygoat | http://pastebin.com/W1AD5MAt |
| 06:43.46 | Thetubbygoat | jade do you see anything wrong with my code? |
| 06:44.03 | Thetubbygoat | it compiles |
| 06:44.10 | Thetubbygoat | and i try inputing |
| 06:44.23 | Thetubbygoat | rot_13_debug textfile.txt |
| 06:44.26 | Net_Creator | =/ |
| 06:44.47 | Thetubbygoat | and it gives me a bunch of symbols |
| 06:44.56 | Thetubbygoat | instead of rotating each by 13 |
| 06:44.57 | Net_Creator | The compiler does? Or the program does? |
| 06:45.00 | Thetubbygoat | and its only like 5 symbols |
| 06:45.04 | Thetubbygoat | putty |
| 06:45.25 | Net_Creator | Are you passing the code to cc? |
| 06:45.31 | Daara | Still refuses to move. |
| 06:45.32 | Daara | Same error. |
| 06:45.33 | Net_Creator | And then running the output file? |
| 06:46.20 | Net_Creator | Thetubbygoat, please pastebin your header file |
| 06:46.38 | Net_Creator | shouldn't be a prob, but I can't say what on earth has been stuck in there |
| 06:46.41 | Thetubbygoat | kk |
| 06:46.46 | Thetubbygoat | whats a header file |
| 06:46.48 | Net_Creator | .h |
| 06:47.09 | Net_Creator | checkit.h is your local header file, as shown by being in quotes |
| 06:47.26 | Thetubbygoat | http://i.imgur.com/wNRAr.png |
| 06:47.27 | Thetubbygoat | ah |
| 06:47.40 | Thetubbygoat | it just makes test_cases work |
| 06:47.43 | Thetubbygoat | dont worry about that part |
| 06:47.45 | Thetubbygoat | 100% correct |
| 06:48.15 | Thetubbygoat | so that imgur is what happens |
| 06:48.19 | Thetubbygoat | when i input |
| 06:48.36 | Net_Creator | You say "100% correct", but I can only take your word that your code doesn't conflict with it. |
| 06:48.52 | Thetubbygoat | yep |
| 06:49.03 | Net_Creator | So good luck. |
| 06:50.26 | Thetubbygoat | http://pastebin.com/Pb8Kk4uY |
| 06:50.28 | Thetubbygoat | checkit.h |
| 06:50.40 | Thetubbygoat | didnt even write that |
| 06:50.46 | Thetubbygoat | professor did |
| 06:50.49 | Thetubbygoat | and then he just said |
| 06:50.54 | Thetubbygoat | dont look in it |
| 06:50.57 | Thetubbygoat | just use the function |
| 06:54.26 | Daara | Awesome, don't think it can be moved. |
| 06:55.09 | Daara | http://pastebin.com/JxGLhSR8 |
| 06:55.53 | Daara | That's strait from the GameUI Layout only I changed the Bottom and Right values to 200 and 100. |
| 06:56.00 | JademusSreg | Daar, why are nesting a new HeroPanel instance in the existing HeroPanel instance? |
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| 06:59.43 | Daara | thanks jade, noob mistake caught |
| 06:59.53 | Thetubbygoat | hey raziel |
| 07:00.09 | Thetubbygoat | do you know why http://pastebin.com/W1AD5MAt gives this http://i.imgur.com/wNRAr.png? |
| 07:08.09 | JademusSreg | You notice you're not doing anything with infile after you call fopen, yes? |
| 07:08.54 | JademusSreg | And then you call rot13 on uninitialized values in the char s array. |
| 07:09.55 | JademusSreg | And, unrelated, shorthanding names is a bad habit. |
| 07:11.03 | Thetubbygoat | wait |
| 07:11.05 | Thetubbygoat | whaaat |
| 07:11.07 | Thetubbygoat | im not? |
| 07:11.29 | Thetubbygoat | isnt the text being called? |
| 07:11.30 | Thetubbygoat | the file |
| 07:20.36 | JademusSreg | Just saw the screenshot. Pretty sure that output qualifies as undefined behavior, haha. |
| 07:23.11 | JademusSreg | You shouldn't be printing values from an uninitialized variable or array. |
| 07:23.28 | JademusSreg | Remember the tool you used in the previous room in this dungeon? |
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| 07:23.44 | JademusSreg | By which I mean to return to the Legend of Zelda metaphor. |
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| 07:25.38 | JademusSreg | Notice how (1) you're not doing anything with infile after you open it, and (2) you're not giving anything to the char s array before you iterate through it printing its contents. |
| 07:27.28 | Thetubbygoat | hmm ok |
| 07:27.36 | Thetubbygoat | doing like 3 things at once right now |
| 07:27.43 | Thetubbygoat | got a discrete math midterm tomorrow :S |
| 07:27.48 | Net_Creator | You're still on that? |
| 07:27.55 | Net_Creator | I left twenty some minutes ago. |
| 07:28.12 | Thetubbygoat | i had to make a schedule for next quarter as well |
| 07:28.17 | Thetubbygoat | before 9 am tomorrow :/ |
| 07:28.32 | Net_Creator | Thetubbygoat, opening a file doesn't mean you're doing anything with it. You have to do something with it to do something with it. derp. |
| 07:30.04 | Thetubbygoat | i thought once it's open |
| 07:30.16 | Thetubbygoat | the thingy treats it as the next input |
| 07:32.09 | JademusSreg | You're not using the boomarang in the room that obviously calls for a boomarang. |
| 07:32.25 | Thetubbygoat | do i have the boomerang in my inventory? |
| 07:32.36 | JademusSreg | You used it in the previous room. |
| 07:32.53 | Thetubbygoat | fscanf? |
| 07:33.11 | JademusSreg | Goodness, no. |
| 07:33.20 | Joeffect | I almost made a new map lolol |
| 07:33.23 | Thetubbygoat | ;_; |
| 07:34.39 | Thetubbygoat | the previous dunegon gave me |
| 07:34.40 | Thetubbygoat | fscanf |
| 07:34.42 | Thetubbygoat | fprintf |
| 07:34.47 | Thetubbygoat | and fgets |
| 07:35.27 | JademusSreg | And of those, which can you use that solves the two issues I pointed out simultaneously |
| 07:35.28 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 07:36.00 | Thetubbygoat | thought fscanf |
| 07:36.07 | Thetubbygoat | but i guess fgets? |
| 07:36.34 | JademusSreg | Do not guess. Guessing means you don't understand. |
| 07:36.44 | JademusSreg | Rationally evaluate each of your options. |
| 07:37.37 | Joeffect | Still trying to get help with your homework? :P |
| 07:37.41 | Thetubbygoat | i dont know how to rationally evaluate |
| 07:37.42 | Thetubbygoat | yep |
| 07:38.08 | JademusSreg | One cannot program if one cannot rationally evaluate. |
| 07:38.25 | Thetubbygoat | then i must review things |
| 07:38.40 | JademusSreg | IF you don't understand what each of the functions does and their parameters, then you ought to research them. |
| 07:39.55 | Thetubbygoat | to cplusplus.com! |
| 07:54.17 | Joeffect | wtf is that |
| 07:55.03 | Thetubbygoat | ffffuuu |
| 07:55.06 | Thetubbygoat | segmentation fault |
| 08:02.50 | Mephs_ | mmm instant preserved noodle flakes |
| 08:07.00 | Thetubbygoat | nice mephs |
| 08:07.01 | Thetubbygoat | nice |
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| 08:07.46 | Thetubbygoat | printf("%c", rot13(s[i])); WHAT WRONG WITH MEPHS? ;_; |
| 08:08.42 | JademusSreg | I already told you what was wrong. |
| 08:09.07 | JademusSreg | [02:25:53] <JademusSreg> Notice how (1) you're not doing anything with infile after you open it, and (2) you're not giving anything to the char s array before you iterate through it printing its contents. |
| 08:09.53 | Thetubbygoat | i fixed that i think |
| 08:10.02 | Thetubbygoat | i was able to rotate a textfile |
| 08:10.07 | Thetubbygoat | but only up to my buffer length |
| 08:10.15 | Thetubbygoat | so then i decided to loop it |
| 08:10.30 | Thetubbygoat | so i could rotate it indefinitely |
| 08:10.42 | Thetubbygoat | using while != NULL |
| 08:14.06 | Thetubbygoat | oh |
| 08:14.14 | Thetubbygoat | if im rotating it character by character |
| 08:14.18 | Thetubbygoat | should i use getchar |
| 08:14.21 | Thetubbygoat | instead of fgets? |
| 08:26.36 | Joeffect | new game is done all i have to do is set the dialogs for info :p |
| 08:27.09 | Joeffect | and then i will publish something for once |
| 08:27.10 | Joeffect | :P |
| 08:31.52 | Net_Creator | http://pastebin.com/kf55kgWP |
| 08:31.53 | Net_Creator | bots |
| 08:31.56 | Net_Creator | they gettin intelgent |
| 08:34.08 | Joeffect | can you disable double clicking to select all units of that type? |
| 08:35.54 | Joeffect | no yes? |
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| 09:34.48 | Joeffect | yeah fixed some major bugs :P |
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| 10:17.54 | Joeffect | 0.o |
| 10:18.18 | Joeffect | i almost made a map that is in beta within 4 hours |
| 10:18.36 | Joeffect | I just need to fix one issue with the round timer lololol |
| 10:23.09 | Joeffect | done |
| 10:23.15 | Joeffect | just a width issue lolol |
| 10:24.04 | Joeffect | Map loaded to battle net lolololol |
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| 10:56.06 | Eldrazor | g'morning |
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| 13:40.19 | Eldrazor | it was good morning when i said it |
| 13:40.25 | Eldrazor | by 4 min |
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| 13:41.34 | Mexa | I just had an eyetracking lab in class. Now that was awesome :D |
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| 13:52.42 | Kueken | Hello |
| 13:53.15 | Eldrazor | hi |
| 13:53.15 | Mexa | hey! |
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| 14:30.49 | Mexa | test |
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| 15:06.42 | Eldrazor | a1win |
| 15:06.44 | Eldrazor | r u zhere? |
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| 15:43.03 | A1win | just woke up <.< |
| 15:44.27 | Mexa | http://kotaku.com/5885631/minecraft-micro-world-debuts-at-lego-world-copenhagen-shipping-summer-2012 |
| 15:44.45 | Mexa | Eeven more money for Mojang:p |
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| 16:16.59 | Batomys | Mornin' lovelies |
| 16:17.04 | Batomys | And everyone else |
| 16:17.20 | Mexa | gday |
| 16:17.59 | Batomys | Aussie aussie aussie! |
| 16:18.54 | Batomys | Anyone seen any news about the SC2 Arcade lately? |
| 16:21.34 | Ahli | no |
| 16:23.09 | Batomys | Seen any promising maps lately? |
| 16:29.56 | Ashamed | no |
| 16:29.58 | Ashamed | sc2 sucks |
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| 16:50.57 | A1win | hmm... is there any fancy particle effect that I could attach to my rocks to make them seem more important? xO |
| 16:51.07 | A1win | *resource rocks |
| 16:51.55 | A1win | hmm or I wonder if I should make them use the glow effect instead of having the glow effect on them on mouseover... |
| 16:54.45 | A1win | yeah this is a fine placeholder o: |
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| 17:00.33 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LMalbDREbo tetris theme on floppy! |
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| 17:11.30 | Major_ | hi |
| 17:11.44 | JademusSreg | Pew pew. |
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| 17:14.58 | Daara | well this is getting annoying |
| 17:15.20 | Daara | http://pastebin.com/MmrVbNXv |
| 17:15.30 | Daara | Apparently that causes an error? |
| 17:15.55 | Daara | Unable to resolve frame layout of "HeroPanel" for side(s): [Left] [Bottom] [Right]\ |
| 17:18.05 | JademusSreg | They are all set to Max, which is odd. |
| 17:18.22 | Daara | changing them to min does nothing |
| 17:18.25 | JademusSreg | And Left has $Parent rather than $parent, which is odd. |
| 17:19.23 | Daara | gdamnit |
| 17:20.17 | Daara | well that fixes the error, but it still won't appear |
| 17:20.23 | Ashamed | :( daara |
| 17:20.51 | JademusSreg | Still won't appear? |
| 17:21.12 | Daara | O |
| 17:21.14 | Daara | ... |
| 17:21.17 | Daara | It's just not there. |
| 17:22.30 | JademusSreg | What typically precedes the activation of a hero panel? I've not worked with them. |
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| 17:22.49 | Daara | It's created in the GameUI layout |
| 17:23.20 | Daara | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/12/132/GameUI.SC2Layout |
| 17:24.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I wonder if either there is something that needs to be done in game, like selecting a hero unit with inventory or some such as it may be a context sensitive frame, or if the anchor pos values have moved it off screen, or both. |
| 17:25.09 | Daara | top 100 moves down 100 |
| 17:25.15 | Daara | and left 20 moves it to the right 20 |
| 17:25.21 | Daara | so it should be on the screen |
| 17:26.53 | JademusSreg | Change all the pos to Mid, so it will be in the center of the screen. =D |
| 17:28.23 | Daara | nothing... |
| 17:28.33 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 17:29.20 | JademusSreg | And there are hero units on the map, yes? =D |
| 17:29.34 | Daara | yep |
| 17:29.36 | Daara | 6 |
| 17:30.03 | JademusSreg | Change the relative to $parent for all of them. |
| 17:30.40 | JademusSreg | If it's not visible with that, then it is perhaps a more serious issue and it may not be an error on your part at all. |
| 17:31.13 | Daara | ok it shows now |
| 17:31.17 | Daara | but obviously in the wrong spot |
| 17:31.56 | JademusSreg | That's fine. At least it's working. =D |
| 17:32.10 | JademusSreg | Now to tinker until it's working correctly. |
| 17:33.01 | JademusSreg | If I understand correctly, you want to move it to the upper left corner. |
| 17:33.24 | Daara | yep |
| 17:33.28 | Daara | like wc3 |
| 17:34.01 | JademusSreg | The combination for that should be Bottom $this Min, Top $parent Max, Left $parent Max, Right $this Min. |
| 17:34.14 | Daara | i think i know why it wasn't showing |
| 17:34.19 | Daara | it's getting cut off on the left side |
| 17:34.28 | JademusSreg | Haha, |
| 17:34.31 | Daara | 5 of the icons aren't showing |
| 17:35.04 | Daara | well 4 1/2 :P |
| 17:36.36 | Daara | oh nvm |
| 17:36.41 | Daara | dur |
| 17:37.05 | Daara | forgot i switched the width value on this one already |
| 17:38.05 | JademusSreg | Doesn't that frame specify display orientation? I don't have the layout file open and I can't recall. |
| 17:38.25 | Daara | yes |
| 17:38.37 | Daara | it will file -5 to the left for each icon |
| 17:38.49 | Daara | i'm going to chance it to -5 to the bottom |
| 17:38.52 | Daara | change* |
| 17:40.09 | JademusSreg | Favorite quote of the day: “Economic theory has always lagged behind economic reality, but now the speed of technological change is widening that gap at an exponential rate. The scary result of this is that we now live in a world dominated by a global financial market of which we have virtually no sound theoretical understanding.” |
| 17:40.48 | JademusSreg | (From an article about algorithmic trading.) |
| 17:40.49 | Daara | setting them back to $this makes it disappear agian |
| 17:40.50 | Daara | again* |
| 17:56.40 | Mexa | Blargh |
| 17:56.52 | Mexa | Why didn't they make the triggers xml so much smarter? |
| 17:57.09 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 17:57.23 | Mexa | Instead now, they have duplicates of multiple elements, with localized data with values which are identicl to each other on several places |
| 17:58.10 | Mexa | Instead of one huge list with multiple copies of localized data, they should have some sort of reference counting system instead |
| 17:58.12 | Mexa | But no |
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| 17:58.49 | Mexa | Variable/Name/A4F12D6D=Player |
| 17:58.49 | Mexa | Variable/Name/A5DA8D16=Player |
| 17:58.49 | Mexa | Variable/Name/A655EDB4=FieldWidth |
| 17:58.49 | Mexa | Variable/Name/A674D189=MoveTimes |
| 17:58.49 | Mexa | Variable/Name/A68A3F70=EnemyTeam |
| 17:58.49 | Mexa | Variable/Name/A7E76A95=Player |
| 17:58.50 | Mexa | Variable/Name/A9925775=IndexY |
| 17:58.50 | Mexa | Variable/Name/A9EB0CA1=Change |
| 17:58.51 | Mexa | Variable/Name/AA19EF44=Player |
| 17:59.02 | Mexa | That for instance, they mention Player 4 times |
| 17:59.11 | Mexa | And I betya there's more of them. |
| 17:59.39 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:00.15 | major__ | hihihiihihi |
| 18:00.18 | Daara | so jade |
| 18:00.29 | Daara | i can't set it to $this |
| 18:00.45 | Daara | so i have a ridiculous offset lol |
| 18:00.55 | Daara | -1550 Top, -1875 left lol |
| 18:01.16 | major__ | hi |
| 18:01.28 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:01.30 | Mexa | Param/Value/EF48A4A6=<c val="78ffc0">Energy Used</c> |
| 18:01.30 | Mexa | Param/Value/F0B88235=<c val="777777">AI</c> |
| 18:01.30 | Mexa | Param/Value/F0DE163F=<c val="78ffc0">Energy Used</c> |
| 18:01.32 | Mexa | herpderp |
| 18:01.44 | JademusSreg | Daar, won't any change in resolution ruin that? |
| 18:01.52 | Daara | nope! |
| 18:01.56 | Daara | i checked |
| 18:03.01 | Daara | stays in the same spot in 1440x900 as it is in 1280x1024 |
| 18:04.30 | JademusSreg | Neat. |
| 18:04.30 | Mexa | Achievement/Name/StarJeweled_04=Ich kann Karat /// Jewel Super Star |
| 18:04.41 | Mexa | Did anyone look into that: Does writing /// become ignored? |
| 18:05.19 | Mexa | Those extra /// and and english translation seems to be all over all but the english localized data |
| 18:05.32 | Mexa | Looking at StarJeweled anyway.. |
| 18:05.36 | Daara | i'm not going to complain, it's where i need it to be |
| 18:06.07 | Mexa | Daara, though what about other resolutions you can't try? |
| 18:06.23 | Daara | like? |
| 18:06.28 | Mexa | 1600x1200? |
| 18:06.50 | Mexa | 1920x1080 |
| 18:06.53 | Mexa | 1920x1200 |
| 18:07.22 | Daara | it's position is based off of something i can't seem to change |
| 18:07.27 | Daara | so it should be fine |
| 18:07.39 | Mexa | Hopefully |
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| 18:07.54 | Mexa | Scaling is sometimes confusing and messy. |
| 18:08.00 | Daara | i really have no idea wtf is up with it |
| 18:08.15 | Mexa | They go after a formula |
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| 18:09.06 | Daara | any time I try to reset the old anchors it just disappears |
| 18:09.36 | Mexa | Something like, for all aspect ratios except 5:4, they'll base the scaling on the height of the resolution, and otherwise, the width |
| 18:10.01 | JademusSreg | Last night I started writing a bare bones unit indexer, because I was starting to write an agent-oriented AI. |
| 18:21.34 | Mexa | oo |
| 18:23.50 | major__ | hello |
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| 18:34.23 | major__ | is there a "code" of conduct for talking? |
| 18:34.26 | major__ | ^^ |
| 18:35.44 | Mexa | Nah, there's usually just a code of conduct for idleing. |
| 18:35.53 | major__ | ^^ |
| 18:36.02 | major__ | your the first person to reply to me |
| 18:36.06 | major__ | i've said hi about 6 times |
| 18:36.08 | major__ | lol |
| 18:36.48 | major__ | i was kinda looking for some chit chat on modding |
| 18:37.01 | major__ | been brain storming an issue |
| 18:37.50 | JademusSreg | I usually respond when I am addressed, or if someone has an interesting problem. |
| 18:38.17 | major__ | i wasnt sure if this was the place to blurt a problem. |
| 18:38.29 | major__ | or how to init the discussion of a problem |
| 18:38.29 | JademusSreg | (Or if I notice a logically fallacious argument.) |
| 18:38.51 | major__ | your sounding inteligent. |
| 18:38.59 | major__ | you maybe helpful |
| 18:39.01 | major__ | ^^ |
| 18:39.11 | major__ | shall i tell my "tail" of problem |
| 18:39.12 | JademusSreg | I am not a modeler. If it is a model issue, I can be of no use. |
| 18:39.31 | JademusSreg | If it were any other problem, I could probably help. |
| 18:39.41 | major__ | my issue is more concept and how to correct an issue i've made |
| 18:39.57 | major__ | See to be more specific, its about a behaviour configuration |
| 18:40.01 | major__ | the VETRENCY |
| 18:40.14 | A1win | it'd help to just describe the problem instead of asking if anyone can help with "a" problem ;p |
| 18:40.26 | major__ | i've built a XP System. but currently implementing it to a ELO basis |
| 18:40.44 | major__ | and my problem is i'm setting it up vs 2 team. 3player a side |
| 18:41.08 | major__ | so with that said, the problem i have is allocating a point |
| 18:41.17 | major__ | basis to per player vs his currentl level |
| 18:41.46 | major__ | so i came up with a idea today, to setup 0.33 point per win, per player. = 0.99 1 Team of 3 |
| 18:41.57 | major__ | and this is where my problem occurs |
| 18:42.03 | major__ | if enemy of player is higher level |
| 18:42.14 | major__ | reward player 0.03 |
| 18:42.40 | major__ | i hope that all makes sence |
| 18:42.48 | JademusSreg | Experience points are fixed-point values (a real number implementation), so fractional experience points are not an issue. |
| 18:43.19 | major__ | thats why i went with 0.33 per win |
| 18:43.25 | major__ | my problem is setting this up |
| 18:43.31 | major__ | within triggers correctly |
| 18:43.52 | major__ | i can award player the 0.33 for a win, with my bank info. but i got lost with the SUM |
| 18:44.01 | JademusSreg | What is an issue, though, is when dealing with fixed point numbers is the lack of fractional precision compared to floats. |
| 18:44.01 | major__ | think i been smoking tomuch **** today |
| 18:44.40 | major__ | the exact Problem. is the trigger setup |
| 18:44.51 | major__ | i was gona do If then else. |
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| 18:45.03 | major__ | and run check total experice of ** |
| 18:45.18 | major__ | but i'm not confident on best setup |
| 18:45.37 | major__ | i kinda had hoped to push the idea out |
| 18:45.38 | JademusSreg | (Since the fractional portion of the fixed point type uses 12 bits, all fractional values will be rounded (probably floored) to the nearest 0.000244140625 increment.) |
| 18:45.44 | major__ | and have some other ideas |
| 18:46.47 | major__ | is it best to set this up on a REAL or an INTEG |
| 18:47.04 | JademusSreg | Well, you can't have fractional ints by definition. |
| 18:47.28 | major__ | my other thought to the problem is |
| 18:47.38 | major__ | if the player constantly loses |
| 18:48.00 | major__ | the effect on nagitve points. |
| 18:48.10 | major__ | do i like the Points to the XP Level |
| 18:48.26 | major__ | or do i keep the Point system completly seperate |
| 18:49.07 | JademusSreg | That sounds like a consequence of using ELO to distribute experience points (which sounds absurd). |
| 18:49.58 | major__ | and that why i think i came loooking for CHIT chat ^^ |
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| 18:50.04 | JademusSreg | ELO is the trendy ranking system. Doesn't make much sense to apply it to the concept of experience points. |
| 18:50.12 | major__ | cause i've been thinking this threw for 2 days now. |
| 18:50.23 | JademusSreg | Short of retrograde amnesia, you can't lose actual experience. =D |
| 18:50.50 | major__ | My current config on XP is just Level up if unit has XP. if no XP then - 1xp |
| 18:51.02 | major__ | which is not the most perfect idea |
| 18:51.17 | major__ | but i just thought this points would demonstrate SKill better |
| 18:51.31 | major__ | but cant get best way to do in head... |
| 18:51.44 | major__ | By the way the map is a TUG OF WAR |
| 18:51.59 | major__ | should this have points per player |
| 18:52.03 | JademusSreg | If it is a signifier of player skill, then Level and Experience Points are the wrong terms. |
| 18:52.27 | A1win | "rank" would make more sense, for example |
| 18:52.41 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:52.50 | major__ | we have the Rank's in place. on XP system |
| 18:53.00 | major__ | but from a mapper perspective |
| 18:53.05 | major__ | the XP only goes Up |
| 18:53.32 | major__ | we also count wins and total plays |
| 18:53.57 | major__ | maybe the "Points" idea is to much? |
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| 18:55.24 | major__ | maybe i should ask (myself) best way to "rank" player from map |
| 19:03.45 | A1win | hmm... I wonder if I should put production structures already on the map when the game starts, would make it easier to understand what the players are supposed to be doing and start the game faster |
| 19:04.29 | Mexa | Hmm... third time in 3 days eating french fries and fish sticks for dinner. |
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| 19:13.09 | Daara | .. |
| 19:13.11 | Daara | k |
| 19:13.12 | Daara | there we go |
| 19:13.16 | Daara | sounds healthy mexa |
| 19:13.35 | Mexa | :P |
| 19:13.41 | Mexa | I'll survive |
| 19:14.26 | Mexa | It's at least not as bad as regular junk food |
| 19:14.40 | Mexa | And I won't really bother, since I've too skinny anyways |
| 19:14.52 | Mexa | But a healthier died indeed should be something:P |
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| 19:18.08 | Mexa | http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-warfare rip Subsistence :( |
| 19:18.35 | Mexa | I was looking forward to that mod. |
| 19:22.30 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 19:22.59 | Ahli | I wonder what their reason to halt their project was... |
| 19:23.37 | Mexa | Mmm, that certain "reasons beyond our control" |
| 19:24.02 | Mexa | Also, it seems that red alert origins total conversion mod for sc2 has bitten the dust as well |
| 19:24.13 | AlphA_VsT | awwwww no ones played my crappy map :P |
| 19:24.19 | JademusSreg | Well, I don't mind the latter dying. |
| 19:24.32 | Eldrazor | substinence looked awsum |
| 19:24.50 | Mexa | Jademus, props to the guy anyway, considering he made all the work himself |
| 19:25.02 | JademusSreg | IP wanking is shameful, so the loss of RAO isn't a big deal. |
| 19:25.03 | Mexa | excluding sounds |
| 19:25.20 | JademusSreg | But it would have been nice so see Subsistence come to fruition. |
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| 19:25.33 | JademusSreg | *to see |
| 19:25.37 | Mexa | IP wankingor not, he didn't rip the models and such at least... |
| 19:26.52 | JademusSreg | I can respect the technical capability, sure, but why would I bother to mention it in a more fundamental criticism of the entire endeavor? |
| 19:27.37 | JademusSreg | Mexa is just too nice. |
| 19:27.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:27.45 | Mexa | I agred it's perhaps inappropriate of him, but he has some skills when it comes to both texturing, modeling, programming and the entire packet. |
| 19:28.41 | JademusSreg | Always look on the bright side of life. *whoo-whoo whoo-whoo whoo-whoo whoo-whoo* |
| 19:28.53 | Mexa | .-. |
| 19:29.04 | JademusSreg | (That's whistling.) |
| 19:29.41 | JademusSreg | It's a reference to the closing sequence of Life of Brian. |
| 19:29.53 | Mexa | Lol, trying to actally "sing" that with he same melody was quite unconfortable anyway |
| 19:29.56 | Mexa | *the |
| 19:30.00 | Mexa | I know ;) |
| 19:30.06 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:30.55 | A1win | next step... removing protoss relics from the game, it's just an unnecessary and way too random step to take before getting to the main objectives |
| 19:31.14 | JademusSreg | Point being, celebrating the technical proficiency of a dubious activity is silly. |
| 19:31.16 | A1win | I can just make the xel'naga vaults visible and unlocked from the beginning |
| 19:38.43 | Daara | yay for hero icons disappearing again |
| 19:38.50 | Ashamed | Yeah! |
| 19:44.44 | Mexa | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/402761_10150544195651996_718876995_9304393_41046711_n.jpg oh noes, we silly swedes.. |
| 19:45.49 | Daara | what's it suppose to say about swedes? |
| 19:47.32 | Ashamed | swedes don't like standing next to each other? |
| 19:47.46 | Daara | maybe swedes smell? |
| 19:49.27 | Mexa | Not about any smell:p |
| 19:50.16 | AlphA_VsT | i dont get it |
| 19:50.22 | AlphA_VsT | anti social? |
| 19:50.32 | Mexa | But it's typically swedish to be withdrawn from strangers when you are waiting for the bus and such, kind of. |
| 19:51.20 | Mexa | And it's typically swedish to rather stand up in the bus instead of taking a seat, only becuse there's some strnger there. |
| 19:51.27 | Daara | so |
| 19:51.36 | Daara | when my family tells me to stop being so anti-social |
| 19:51.41 | Daara | i'll just tell them i'm being swedish? |
| 19:51.45 | Mexa | lol |
| 19:51.56 | Mexa | haha, perhaps |
| 19:52.12 | Daara | i am part swede though! |
| 19:53.06 | Mexa | But that depends, I mean, it says nothing about anyone of us being antisocial |
| 19:53.10 | JademusSreg | Japanese cultural similarly stigmatizes strangers. Only they call them "foreigners". By which I mean Japanese culture is racist as a matter of course. |
| 19:53.19 | Mexa | But it's like that when waiting for the bus and similar. |
| 19:53.25 | Ashamed | Mexa that is anti-social -.- |
| 19:54.09 | Mexa | It's not what I mean |
| 19:54.47 | Ashamed | yall anti-social |
| 19:54.49 | Ashamed | just get use to it |
| 19:54.51 | Mexa | It's antisocial do have this behavious, I get it, but it doesn't mean we as persons are anti-social. |
| 19:55.05 | JademusSreg | That is a contradiction. |
| 19:55.11 | Ashamed | It is -.- |
| 19:55.15 | Mexa | How's that a contradiction? |
| 19:55.49 | Ashamed | if you all are anti-social or have anti-soical thoughs then it makes you guys anti-soical. That joke was funny because you knew that you guys do that. |
| 19:55.59 | JademusSreg | "Sure, my culture is racist, but I'm not racist. Not usually, anyway." |
| 19:56.22 | JademusSreg | I don't think antisocial is the appropriate description. |
| 19:56.23 | Mexa | General context doesn't apply to all individuals. |
| 19:56.51 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it is more accurate to say Swedish culture is more reserved, self-contained. |
| 19:57.08 | Mexa | I suppose so:P |
| 19:57.49 | Mexa | The definition of anti-social might not be completely accurate it hat picture, but as close to that, it's funny because it's true |
| 19:58.25 | JademusSreg | "I have no interest in you, person-I-don't-know. If you will excuse me, I will stand over here, to best avoid an implicitly awkward silence as a result of close proximity." |
| 19:59.00 | Mexa | Somethng like that. |
| 19:59.52 | Mexa | Oh I just relised it didn't say anything about being antisocial in the picture... oh well |
| 20:00.12 | Mexa | Your fault Daara :D |
| 20:00.17 | Daara | :D |
| 20:00.46 | Ashamed | -.- I am anti-social |
| 20:00.47 | Daara | well i can't get these stupid hero buttons to file downward |
| 20:00.48 | Mexa | Hmm, and you Alpha! |
| 20:00.52 | Ashamed | i wont even talk to fuckers over the phone |
| 20:01.13 | Mexa | How's that even manageable Ashamed, didn't you work as a tech support before? |
| 20:01.42 | Ashamed | i do currently mexa |
| 20:01.44 | JademusSreg | Being indifferent to social systems is not the same thing as being anti-social. |
| 20:01.48 | Ashamed | but that is differnt i have to tae the calls |
| 20:02.15 | Ashamed | but if its a personal call... i will blow people off for fucking months just because i dont want to call/talk to them lol |
| 20:02.20 | JademusSreg | Anti-social behaviors are actively disruptive to social systems. |
| 20:03.03 | Mexa | Annoying people around you Ashamed? |
| 20:03.20 | Mexa | Or is it just you? ;p |
| 20:04.10 | Mexa | Jademus, would you say the definition of social stands for talking with people on an irc:P? |
| 20:04.19 | Mexa | as an example. |
| 20:04.28 | JademusSreg | Lying, manipulation, intimidation, violence, those are anti-social qualities. |
| 20:04.51 | JademusSreg | This chaNNEL IS A SOCIAL SYSTEM, YES. |
| 20:05.00 | Mexa | lolcaps |
| 20:05.01 | JademusSreg | Caps. Woo. |
| 20:06.28 | Mexa | Ashamed, at least you aren't snapping on us here. |
| 20:18.32 | JademusSreg | It's fashionable for people with misanthropic sentiment to label themselves as anti-social, I guess. |
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| 20:39.14 | Ashamed | -.- i just hate the wordl |
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| 20:46.51 | JademusSreg | Yoda would then infer that you fear the world. =D |
| 20:49.32 | Ashamed | i fear it |
| 20:49.37 | Ashamed | hard fucking core |
| 20:50.52 | A1win | any idea which actor creates the splat for burrowed units? x.x |
| 20:51.13 | A1win | hmm nevermind I think I found it |
| 20:52.21 | A1win | err... or not |
| 20:53.29 | A1win | ah nevermind again, confused infested terran and infested civilian |
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| 20:54.17 | Shadowwolf | Anyone wann help with some debuggin? |
| 20:55.11 | Kenoli | Debuggin what |
| 20:55.25 | Guest90519 | it seems to be a Model error |
| 20:55.29 | Guest90519 | well actor error |
| 20:56.09 | Kenoli | Explicate |
| 20:56.14 | AlphA_VsT | rawr |
| 20:56.22 | AlphA_VsT | no ones played my map QQ lolol |
| 20:57.11 | AlphA_VsT | it has 7 seconds of play time :D |
| 20:57.29 | Guest90519 | http://picturepush.com/public/7588683 |
| 20:57.49 | Guest90519 | You see how the Phoenix hero model is attaching itself to other models? |
| 20:58.11 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:58.56 | JademusSreg | Is that a problem? |
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| 20:59.20 | AlphA_VsT | it would only do such a thing if you told it to |
| 20:59.22 | Guest90519 | Yeah its not suppose to do that |
| 21:00.10 | JademusSreg | Bet it's a bad unitName token reference in an actor event. |
| 21:00.27 | Guest90519 | I did change the unit name |
| 21:00.39 | Ashamed | when she talks she moves her mouth instead of her lips |
| 21:00.53 | Ashamed | did yall know that? |
| 21:01.21 | Ashamed | when she wants she wants the sun instead of the moon. |
| 21:01.23 | Ashamed | tis true |
| 21:01.33 | JademusSreg | I haven't an idea about what you are talking. |
| 21:01.48 | Ashamed | when she sees, she sees the staaaars inside of her room |
| 21:02.11 | JademusSreg | Sounds like PCP. |
| 21:02.13 | Guest90519 | http://picturepush.com/public/7588683 |
| 21:02.15 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:02.19 | Guest90519 | Dang it didnt Copy/paste |
| 21:02.23 | Ashamed | ITs a cake song |
| 21:02.25 | Ashamed | Let me go |
| 21:02.27 | Ashamed | ;) |
| 21:02.27 | Guest90519 | [2/16/2012 3:47:57 PM] Warning: [ 499 4] Scope[CommentatorBot124, UnitEditor] More than one CActorUnit persisting in the same unit scope: [ 7d e] CActorUnit[CommentatorBot129] [ 47 9] CActorUnit[CommentatorBot124] [2/16/2012 3:47:57 PM] Warning: [ 1a 15] Scope[CommentatorBot127, UnitEditor] More than one CActorUnit persisting in the same unit scope: [ 2b4 a] CActorUnit[CommentatorBot124] [ 2c4 9] CActorU |
| 21:02.34 | Guest90519 | Im getting spammed with that |
| 21:02.42 | JademusSreg | Like I said. |
| 21:02.57 | JademusSreg | [16:00:07] <JademusSreg> Bet it's a bad unitName token reference in an actor event. |
| 21:03.14 | Guest90519 | How would I fix that? |
| 21:03.25 | JademusSreg | Emphasis on the second half of that sentence. |
| 21:03.32 | Guest90519 | OH |
| 21:03.33 | Guest90519 | lol |
| 21:03.38 | Guest90519 | Actor events |
| 21:03.39 | Guest90519 | lol |
| 21:05.29 | Ashamed | Doh >< |
| 21:06.05 | JademusSreg | Never duplicate. |
| 21:06.31 | Ashamed | even though you think that blizzard added that option for a reason... they didn't they just added to glitch yo shit |
| 21:06.33 | Guest90519 | So im guessing its where I used the Duplicate Commands on my Morph events from earlier |
| 21:07.47 | Guest90519 | Well im a Novie to Intermediant Data Editor, I think im going to pass the map onto the next member :P. Sounds lazy cause it is |
| 21:08.07 | JademusSreg | When you duplicate, it's copying the results, not the original expression; token references are lost in the process. |
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| 21:09.47 | JademusSreg | So while DudeBro has the event UnitBirth.##unitName## -> Create and the unitName token is DudeBro, a copy is going to have UnitBirth.DudeBro, so changing the token doesn't update the event. |
| 21:10.19 | JademusSreg | In other words, do not duplicate. |
| 21:13.26 | A1win | ah the minimap looks nicer now that there are more dots on it |
| 21:14.49 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:15.04 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-02-16%2023_13_34.jpg |
| 21:15.14 | A1win | that's what the map looks like now on start up |
| 21:18.58 | A1win | the minimap is extended to include all 3 vaults (the blue protoss icons), and if anyone goes further than that, it extends further in increments of 16 tiles |
| 21:19.55 | A1win | the locations of the vaults are randomized in a circle so the map looks different each time |
| 21:20.56 | A1win | there are 14 preplaced vaults and 3 of them are picked at random, rest removed, and two vaults next to each other can't be picked so that there's always enough distance between them |
| 21:21.10 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 21:39.49 | AlphA_VsT | wait what my map has 6 minutes played lolol |
| 21:41.58 | AlphA_VsT | I think i will make another 5 hour map lolol |
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| 21:44.19 | AlphA_VsT | ... |
| 21:45.11 | major__ | hiiii |
| 21:45.42 | AlphA_VsT | hi |
| 21:45.57 | major__ | how r u all? |
| 21:46.07 | AlphA_VsT | everyone is good |
| 21:46.31 | major__ | i just woke up. after 1 hour "CAT" nap |
| 21:48.05 | major__ | is that actually SIXEN ^^ |
| 21:51.49 | AlphA_VsT | who? |
| 21:53.11 | major__ | @sixen |
| 21:59.52 | Sixen | ? |
| 22:00.13 | major__ | hi man |
| 22:00.19 | major__ | how are you |
| 22:00.26 | Sixen | getting my ass kicked in cod |
| 22:00.33 | major__ | hehehehe |
| 22:00.39 | Sixen | =\ |
| 22:00.44 | Daara | no, its huehuehuehue |
| 22:00.59 | Daara | like a brazilian |
| 22:00.59 | Sixen | lol |
| 22:00.59 | major__ | lol |
| 22:01.05 | Daara | fucking brs :( |
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| 22:29.23 | Mexa_ | lol, so the're a new movie called Iron Sky... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc |
| 22:29.32 | Mexa_ | *there's |
| 22:29.56 | AlphA_VsT | yeah old news... |
| 22:30.25 | Mexa_ | Mmm, I'm one week late |
| 22:36.27 | A1win | I've been following it for years, the only big thing going on in Finland |
| 22:36.37 | A1win | *following its development |
| 22:37.11 | A1win | (the only interesting big thing) |
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