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| 00:03.17 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 00:05.44 | Vailreth | i cant tell what smiley that is is it good and working right> |
| 00:07.34 | AlphA_VsT | i have no fucking idea |
| 00:08.44 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-01-31%20at%204.02.28%20PM.png the trigger :D |
| 00:10.05 | Deaod | we had an autumn with almost no rain, warm almost up to christmas. Now we have a few days of -20 to -30°C in a few european countries and news report almost 60 deaths due to cold weather. |
| 00:10.28 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 00:10.36 | Deaod | seriously. |
| 00:10.49 | Deaod | oooh, almost 60 deaths. |
| 00:11.16 | Deaod | influenza kills more than that daily. |
| 00:11.25 | Deaod | doctors kill more than that daily. |
| 00:12.09 | AlphA_VsT | yup |
| 00:12.14 | Deaod | but these deaths have become background noise, so theyre not newsworthy anymore. |
| 00:13.20 | AlphA_VsT | of course not |
| 00:13.36 | AlphA_VsT | news is like really bad reality tv any more |
| 00:13.49 | DivinityOne | I kinda want to show off my first town... but theres nothing 'playable' to show off lol... |
| 00:13.51 | AlphA_VsT | its abotu ratings not news |
| 00:13.53 | Deaod | "In the news today: politics, politics, influenza killing 70, doctors killing 100, ..." |
| 00:14.13 | AlphA_VsT | you give them to much credit :D |
| 00:14.17 | Deaod | meh. |
| 00:14.42 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.20 | Deaod | poor me gets news from a government-affiliated news organization. |
| 00:15.25 | DivinityOne | Britany spears bought tampons... out top story at 8! Come up after mass murder in your naborhood... |
| 00:15.32 | Deaod | and i even pay for it. |
| 00:15.52 | Deaod | compulsively, but okay. |
| 00:16.39 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:16.43 | AlphA_VsT | pretty much |
| 00:16.47 | DivinityOne | This conversation things going to annoy me! |
| 00:16.51 | AlphA_VsT | and someone flashed a nipple at some event |
| 00:17.17 | Deaod | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARD_%28broadcaster%29 |
| 00:17.28 | AlphA_VsT | because are society is so afraid of nudity |
| 00:18.35 | Deaod | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEZ |
| 00:18.38 | DivinityOne | Guess i do conversations the long way... |
| 00:19.13 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:19.30 | AlphA_VsT | somneone look at my trigger and double check it for me :D http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-01-31%20at%204.02.28%20PM.png |
| 00:19.41 | Vailreth | any one know why a missiles impact effect wouldnt happen? |
| 00:21.38 | Vailreth | ill be back |
| 00:32.15 | AlphA_VsT | anyone? |
| 00:34.22 | DivinityOne | math breaks my head |
| 00:38.03 | AlphA_VsT | mine also |
| 00:38.09 | AlphA_VsT | why i need to double check it :D |
| 00:41.11 | DivinityOne | Be like me assume it works till it melts your hard drive |
| 00:41.12 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:47.18 | Vailreth | ok back |
| 00:47.35 | DivinityOne | I gues si'll jsut keep building the enviorment >_> im sure the triggers will finish themsleves.... yea. Thats going to happen! |
| 00:50.53 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:51.06 | AlphA_VsT | i put my enviorment on hold for now haha |
| 00:51.16 | AlphA_VsT | triggers are important also :P |
| 00:51.20 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-01-31%20at%204.02.28%20PM.png |
| 00:51.24 | Vailreth | why is my missile's impact effect not fireing |
| 00:51.32 | AlphA_VsT | someone please check that over :( |
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| 00:53.29 | Vailreth | sorry it looks good to me but i am no expert |
| 00:54.48 | JademusSreg | All that GUI, it sears my eyes! |
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| 00:59.40 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/GUI.jpg |
| 01:00.13 | Vailreth | i made that monstrosity to update my power bar... and it still needs to be updated some |
| 01:01.51 | Flopjack | Anyone want to help test my evolution wars map? I need 3 people. |
| 01:04.52 | AlphA_VsT | lol jade :D |
| 01:05.14 | AlphA_VsT | gui helps me keep organized :D and easy to remmeber :P |
| 01:11.35 | Vailreth | i am feeling so tempted to go play xbox |
| 01:12.03 | A1win | damn... had the first bug with my power grid, I think something overloaded in the script engine or something |
| 01:12.56 | A1win | grid overloaded causing all turrets to burrow, but they remained burrowed even after the overload ended |
| 01:13.10 | A1win | or hmm... maybe I forgot how it works |
| 01:13.23 | A1win | there were just so many turrets that maybe there actually were too many firing |
| 01:13.49 | Flopjack | Can 3 people give me 2 mins of their time to help test something in my map? |
| 01:13.52 | A1win | should probably decrease the time a turret consumes power from 10 sec to 5 sec after it has stopped firing... |
| 01:14.27 | Vailreth | sorry i vsnt |
| 01:14.33 | Vailreth | cant |
| 01:17.51 | AlphA_VsT | same 0.o |
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| 01:23.24 | AlphA_VsT | someone look at this and tell me if it looks right :D http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-01-31%20at%204.02.28%20PM.png |
| 01:37.16 | DivinityOne | Okay i need mutiple camera settings now... and hot keyed... |
| 01:43.32 | Vailreth | DivinityOne i think you need an engine and a dedicated team i dont think sc2 is going to produce what you want from it at player desired quality |
| 01:43.53 | DivinityOne | Its already working great lol |
| 01:44.04 | DivinityOne | Its just a few hang ups im having with my own lack of knowage |
| 01:44.31 | Vailreth | hm |
| 01:44.42 | DivinityOne | What i wast isnt exactly complicated... its jsut a lot of systems put together to make it feel complicated |
| 01:45.10 | Vailreth | well i hope it all runs well for you |
| 01:48.34 | DivinityOne | It will |
| 01:48.50 | DivinityOne | The key is to not have triggers tiering constantly. only when their needed etc |
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| 01:49.10 | DivinityOne | other then that, the only thing that will slow my map are ppls individual computers with low gfx cards |
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| 01:51.26 | Vailreth | lots of people then |
| 01:51.46 | Konrad__ | hey mapstesr |
| 01:51.48 | Konrad__ | mapsters* |
| 01:51.56 | Vailreth | .. |
| 01:51.59 | Konrad__ | a couple of things... is it possible to detect a 'mouse wheel' button press? |
| 01:52.05 | Vailreth | no clue |
| 01:52.09 | Konrad__ | for example... mouse wheel up or mouse wheel down? |
| 01:52.42 | Konrad__ | And... i'm looking into unit ai and movement behaviours, movers etc... and would like to emulate something to what is achieved in Star Battle... the way the 'fighter' mobs dart in and out of combat |
| 01:52.48 | Konrad__ | can anyone point me in the right direction for what to look for? |
| 01:55.16 | DivinityOne | Look at carrier intercepters |
| 01:55.25 | DivinityOne | they basicly used that behavor |
| 01:56.03 | Konrad__ | Ahh so blatantly obvious. Damn you Blizzard for making carriers redundant. |
| 01:56.08 | Konrad__ | Thanks |
| 01:56.10 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:56.57 | DivinityOne | You can name your first born trigger after me then :p |
| 01:57.27 | Konrad__ | Maybe not :) |
| 01:58.24 | Konrad__ | I might be being stupid, but I can't see a mover, or behaviour under interceptors that would indicate the way they behave in game? |
| 01:58.47 | DivinityOne | check carrier... |
| 01:58.52 | DivinityOne | their children of it |
| 01:58.54 | DivinityOne | (shrugs* |
| 01:59.08 | DivinityOne | i never looked into it myself sorry. Bit busy with something or id take a look |
| 02:00.08 | DivinityOne | GRRRR |
| 02:00.23 | DivinityOne | why is there not a REGION IS NOT EMPTY berifier! |
| 02:00.28 | DivinityOne | verifier* |
| 02:00.58 | DivinityOne | Guess i poor man it >_> |
| 02:01.39 | DivinityOne | grr but that would need a global >_< |
| 02:02.01 | Vailreth | what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:02.36 | DivinityOne | As long as a unit is in a region that region randomly spawns attackers, but it scales based on the number of players in region, and stops spawning if region is absent of players |
| 02:03.01 | Konrad__ | What shape/size is your region? |
| 02:03.13 | DivinityOne | What im trying to do is have a clean check of players in region... but without a global its not easy. |
| 02:03.20 | DivinityOne | its jsut a reqctangle not very large |
| 02:03.37 | DivinityOne | Its a depo area, few garages, wherehouses etc |
| 02:04.00 | DivinityOne | with limtied sight range the random spawns dont need to be to far away from players... jsut outside their sight range. (already handled) |
| 02:04.11 | DivinityOne | i'll jsut make a global. its easy and clean... Bah |
| 02:04.23 | DivinityOne | Just means i need 2 triggers now for 1 event |
| 02:04.41 | DivinityOne | WTF cant i have an event as a condition lol |
| 02:06.00 | DivinityOne | Any muti stage trigger needs 2 triggers... beacuse you cant switch it on and off based on event triggers... like unit leaves enters area... you can handel both events in one trigger.... and do spesifi actions. its a pain |
| 02:09.49 | Vailreth | why the hell will my missile effect not impact |
| 02:10.44 | DivinityOne | No clue havnt worked with that sort of wepon yet |
| 02:10.57 | Konrad__ | Vailreth, does it have an associated Action actor type? |
| 02:11.05 | Vailreth | yes |
| 02:11.14 | Konrad__ | I remember experiencing a 'bug' of sorts, when my photon mortar wouldn't 'impact' |
| 02:11.31 | Konrad__ | I fiddled with a few things... gave up.. posted in forums... asked around... added an action actor linked it in |
| 02:11.35 | Vailreth | and the attack actor is fireing correctly |
| 02:12.01 | Vailreth | the missile fires from and impacts the correct locations,,, but no impact effect |
| 02:12.13 | Konrad__ | check the actor for the missile unit |
| 02:12.23 | Konrad__ | specifically it's events |
| 02:12.41 | Vailreth | what am i looking for? |
| 02:12.47 | Konrad__ | You tell me :p |
| 02:12.50 | Konrad__ | what missile unit is it? |
| 02:13.11 | Vailreth | custom soccer ball based |
| 02:13.20 | Konrad__ | Well, there you go then |
| 02:13.23 | Vailreth | and the missile creates correctly.. |
| 02:13.30 | Konrad__ | Your custom soccer ball most likely doesn't have a death animation |
| 02:13.43 | Vailreth | so? |
| 02:13.43 | Konrad__ | Which is what most missiles use on impact, since they are destroyed on hitting a target |
| 02:14.00 | Konrad__ | What do you want to have happen when your soccerball hits a unit or target point? |
| 02:14.19 | Vailreth | the impacted unit dies |
| 02:14.29 | Vailreth | the impact effect is set to kill |
| 02:14.48 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:14.51 | Konrad__ | So the actual effect (killing the unit) doesn't work? |
| 02:14.58 | Vailreth | nope |
| 02:15.14 | Vailreth | the impact effect will not fire at all |
| 02:15.21 | Konrad__ | Ahh. When you start talking about impact and missiles I thought about actors/model based. |
| 02:15.34 | Vailreth | no thats all fine.. |
| 02:15.42 | Konrad__ | In this case, look in the damage effect, set the target+ something field to (none):target |
| 02:15.56 | Vailreth | thats fine |
| 02:15.56 | Konrad__ | It should by default inherit the launch missile effect and cause the target thereof to be killed. |
| 02:16.17 | Konrad__ | Is your effect doing any damage at all? |
| 02:16.21 | Konrad__ | Or is the damage amount on 0? |
| 02:16.43 | Vailreth | the kill effect works when not called by this missile launch effect |
| 02:17.17 | Konrad__ | Launch Missile - Impact Effect - Your Damage Effect here. |
| 02:17.25 | Konrad__ | Try making the damage greater than 0 |
| 02:18.04 | Konrad__ | Does your custom model have attatchment points? It's a long shot, but it could simply be that the missile/unit/actor is not colliding with anything and therefore not causing the effect to fire |
| 02:18.29 | Vailreth | the model has all needed attachment points |
| 02:18.39 | Konrad__ | Target: Impact Location - set to (none):Target ? |
| 02:18.46 | Vailreth | blizzards shit is just not QAed |
| 02:19.03 | Vailreth | s |
| 02:19.03 | Konrad__ | or there is some user error going on :) |
| 02:19.09 | Vailreth | nope |
| 02:19.20 | Vailreth | i have been successfully doing this since beta |
| 02:20.31 | Vailreth | still no impact effect' |
| 02:20.55 | Konrad__ | So... since Beta, Blizzard have somehow completely destroyed the way in which the data editor handles modular executions? |
| 02:20.57 | Konrad__ | Methinks, not. |
| 02:22.02 | Vailreth | hell i reported a bug in beta that didnt get fixed until last patch and likely ONLY got fixed because they are working on blizzdota |
| 02:22.43 | Vailreth | and it wast a bug that only i reported lots of people had the same issue |
| 02:22.50 | Konrad__ | cool |
| 02:23.35 | Vailreth | any way... |
| 02:23.58 | Vailreth | there is no reason this should be failing ...and yet it is |
| 02:26.57 | Konrad__ | so. troubleshoot it? |
| 02:27.06 | Konrad__ | create a new ability based off of something that works. |
| 02:27.15 | Konrad__ | add in each custom element you want to incorporate, testing after each implementation |
| 02:27.30 | Vailreth | everything works independantly |
| 02:27.50 | Vailreth | expect the impact effect of the launch millse never fires |
| 02:31.28 | DivinityOne | Could be you didnt add the proper event to the effect actor |
| 02:31.43 | Vailreth | its not that either... |
| 02:31.51 | DivinityOne | has to be.... |
| 02:31.58 | DivinityOne | beacuse if thats not fiering.... |
| 02:32.02 | DivinityOne | its nor working ;p |
| 02:33.18 | Vailreth | ok this is stupid it dosent work because the target is set to target unit point ... |
| 02:33.25 | Vailreth | instead of target unit |
| 02:33.56 | Vailreth | but other missile launch effects ive created work with it set to target unit/point |
| 02:35.56 | Vailreth | and now its working |
| 02:36.15 | Vailreth | this editor is bugged to shit |
| 02:36.41 | Vailreth | never mind its not working i have to restart my computer now |
| 02:37.29 | Vailreth | some times i seriously hate this editor |
| 02:38.02 | Vailreth | like when it uses cached copies of dependinces instead of the copy you just edited and saved |
| 02:39.52 | Vailreth | if SC2 editor wasnt the best i know of sofar id say fuck them and they buggy shit .. |
| 02:40.41 | Konrad__ | lol |
| 02:41.08 | Konrad__ | just wait until you meet the UDK or unity, or 3ds max, or maya, or sculptris, or zbrush, or any other industry standard software - for that matter. |
| 02:41.30 | JademusSreg | Fine products. |
| 02:41.30 | Vailreth | ive used all of those |
| 02:41.43 | Vailreth | most of them are pretty good. |
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| 02:43.16 | Vailreth | but this issue with the editor at least once a week suddenlt using cached copies of dependenices and needing the pc to be restarted is a pain |
| 02:44.35 | Vailreth | well i have to restart my computer to be able to test the dependencies i want so will be back later |
| 02:46.18 | DivinityOne | I have one issue though |
| 02:46.20 | AlphA_VsT | you dont have to restart your whole computer jsut the editor... |
| 02:46.44 | DivinityOne | How do i make a user enters region event... where the unit matches properties... |
| 02:46.54 | DivinityOne | beacuse every time my civ throws a molitove it triggers the trigger from the missle ;p |
| 02:47.50 | DivinityOne | got it |
| 02:47.56 | DivinityOne | i hat to change a few things around |
| 02:51.57 | AlphA_VsT | thats what conditions are for :D |
| 02:52.00 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 02:54.53 | Vailreth | and back |
| 02:59.18 | Technomancer | im back after 24 hours of net being down...fuck |
| 02:59.42 | DivinityOne | wb |
| 03:00.01 | DivinityOne | and afk.. btw techno i got a reponse to my question but dont know how to handel it |
| 03:00.14 | DivinityOne | this may be emitter exports problem. try this: select all emitters open Track View - Curve Editor or Track View - Dope sheet and delete all keys; - colour1start - colour1mid - colour1end - colour2start - colour2mid - colour2end |
| 03:00.25 | DivinityOne | I cant eally do it though lol |
| 03:02.02 | Technomancer | y? |
| 03:02.40 | DivinityOne | i dont know how to use max well remmber ;p |
| 03:02.42 | DivinityOne | brb |
| 03:03.16 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:04.01 | Technomancer | hmmm |
| 03:04.26 | Vailreth | god fucking damn it not again |
| 03:04.36 | Technomancer | I honestly haven't used those fields, just materials, tools, modifiers, etc |
| 03:04.53 | Technomancer | curve editor, track sheet, never touched it...never needed to really |
| 03:04.59 | Technomancer | what Vail? |
| 03:05.25 | Vailreth | ill be right back i have to restart the computer AGAIN because of this stupid editor |
| 03:09.32 | AlphA_VsT | No you are stupid |
| 03:09.57 | Technomancer | Editor can be stupid...so can 3dsmax... |
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| 03:12.35 | Technomancer | AlphA don't call Vail an asshole... oh look he's back |
| 03:12.53 | Vailreth | Alpha whats the deal man |
| 03:13.06 | Vailreth | i loved you im powerangers |
| 03:13.23 | Vailreth | any way .. |
| 03:13.26 | Vailreth | heh |
| 03:13.28 | Technomancer | lol |
| 03:14.06 | Technomancer | whats new? |
| 03:14.27 | Vailreth | ive narrowed down the editor issue that keeps me restarting |
| 03:15.43 | DivinityOne | back |
| 03:16.07 | DivinityOne | So tech if i send you the modle do you think you can try that fix? |
| 03:16.15 | Technomancer | whats in it for me? :P |
| 03:16.31 | Technomancer | im messin with ya |
| 03:16.46 | DivinityOne | Well i was gona say a hand job animation from nova but.. okay |
| 03:16.46 | Technomancer | you just need it exported successfully? |
| 03:16.54 | DivinityOne | yea |
| 03:16.58 | Technomancer | link it |
| 03:17.12 | DivinityOne | i need to upload it somewhere first |
| 03:17.31 | DivinityOne | Any suggestions? |
| 03:17.32 | Technomancer | u got dropbox? Jade introduced me to it, I love it |
| 03:17.39 | DivinityOne | nope |
| 03:17.46 | Technomancer | hmmm rapidshare? |
| 03:18.26 | DivinityOne | i ahve to install dropbox? |
| 03:18.28 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 03:18.51 | DivinityOne | i can send you the max file right? |
| 03:18.56 | DivinityOne | and you can use it to export? |
| 03:19.04 | DivinityOne | it has the animations i made saved inside |
| 03:20.07 | Vailreth | when working with a mod and you can accidently lock the dependencies used to that mod if you try to save it while starcraft2 is open after a test |
| 03:21.01 | Technomancer | yeah u can man |
| 03:21.36 | Technomancer | yeah u have to install dropbox, however once u got it, it makes life alot easier for filesharing, its the easiest way once u install it. otherwise rapishare |
| 03:22.35 | DivinityOne | installed account made... |
| 03:22.38 | DivinityOne | now how to use... |
| 03:24.50 | DivinityOne | okay |
| 03:24.53 | DivinityOne | added a file to folder |
| 03:24.57 | DivinityOne | how do i give you its link |
| 03:26.38 | DivinityOne | tech? |
| 03:26.43 | Technomancer | put it in the public folder |
| 03:26.46 | DivinityOne | i did |
| 03:26.52 | DivinityOne | but how do i point you at it |
| 03:26.55 | Technomancer | then right click, go to dropbox, and then copy public link |
| 03:27.49 | DivinityOne | Cant o.0 |
| 03:27.54 | DivinityOne | i dont see a public link at all |
| 03:28.40 | Technomancer | User/Dropbox/Public: right click file, mouse-over Dropbox, then there should be a few options, Copy Public Link the bottom one |
| 03:28.53 | DivinityOne | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/59944839/Super%20Crane/Super%20Crane.max |
| 03:29.02 | DivinityOne | yes i ahd the folder not under public |
| 03:29.04 | DivinityOne | my bad |
| 03:29.06 | DivinityOne | thats the max |
| 03:29.27 | Technomancer | really? I thought it was a photoshop file :P |
| 03:29.47 | DivinityOne | Yea i know that .max is quite confusing. had to make sure you knew. |
| 03:30.32 | DivinityOne | i know what ym final boss is in my map |
| 03:31.21 | DivinityOne | The SM adjutant... going to make her huge in a mechine factory/lab and have her use the walls and gizoms and things to fight the players as they attack her |
| 03:32.54 | AlphA_VsT | i have 20gb free dropbox account :D |
| 03:33.03 | DivinityOne | i has 2gb HA! |
| 03:33.20 | Technomancer | oh my... tell me you didnt personally assign the textures from a folder you created |
| 03:33.30 | DivinityOne | normaly id run my ftp server but bleh... havnt had reasons for such large file trasfers recently |
| 03:33.39 | DivinityOne | nope |
| 03:33.43 | DivinityOne | i did a max path... |
| 03:33.54 | DivinityOne | for external files |
| 03:34.22 | DivinityOne | shoud be /texures |
| 03:34.45 | Technomancer | ...no what I mean is you created your own folder; "D:\SC2 exported modles\Textures\Assets\Textures" |
| 03:34.53 | Technomancer | You created that folder yes? |
| 03:35.04 | Vailreth | grrr] |
| 03:35.18 | DivinityOne | yes >_> |
| 03:35.29 | Technomancer | This is not good... and here's why: It wont read textures from the default Assets/Textures path in the editor |
| 03:36.06 | DivinityOne | stupid plugin to not beable to coap... |
| 03:36.22 | DivinityOne | is that my issue? |
| 03:36.33 | Technomancer | we shall see.... lemme explain what to do in the future |
| 03:37.24 | Technomancer | I ALWAYS put all my textures in the default path that 3ds max will draw ALL textures from which it intends to readily apply, and thats in the C:/Program Files/Autodesk/3ds Max 20XX/maps |
| 03:37.57 | Technomancer | If you import a model and it says its missing certain textures, ALWAYS PUT IN THE MAPS SUBDIRECTORY. that way it will apply it and say its not missing and you keep its reference to the default path in edtior (being Assets/Textures) |
| 03:38.28 | Technomancer | id create a shortcut for that folder and put it somewhere easily accessible |
| 03:39.54 | DivinityOne | kk |
| 03:41.00 | Technomancer | I can try applying the textures from there and see if it works.. |
| 03:44.14 | Technomancer | Ok so...not so easy..well not that its not easy as it is TIME consuming >.> but I think its doable |
| 03:44.48 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 03:48.28 | Technomancer | is this a custom model Div? |
| 03:48.57 | Technomancer | Because if not it'd be easier to reimport lol but I dont suppose it is... ok we'll try reapplying |
| 03:53.44 | DivinityOne | its the super crane |
| 03:53.53 | DivinityOne | supercrane.m3 |
| 03:54.00 | DivinityOne | dodad |
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| 03:55.26 | Technomancer | ? |
| 03:55.33 | Technomancer | is that all u need man? |
| 03:55.37 | Technomancer | just that mp3? |
| 03:55.45 | Technomancer | err |
| 03:55.46 | Technomancer | m3 |
| 03:55.49 | Technomancer | what did u change on it? |
| 03:57.11 | DivinityOne | i animated it |
| 03:57.17 | DivinityOne | i add2ed 2 animations to it lol |
| 03:59.23 | DivinityOne | So you cant export it? |
| 03:59.34 | Technomancer | well I didnt say that |
| 03:59.52 | Technomancer | I was just trying to find out if it was necessary or not... and it looks like it will be (the long way) |
| 04:00.49 | DivinityOne | Sorry :p |
| 04:02.22 | Technomancer | No prob |
| 04:02.23 | Technomancer | Really |
| 04:02.32 | Technomancer | Let's just see if this works tho |
| 04:05.08 | Vailreth | what the hell |
| 04:06.43 | Vailreth | i have restarted three times and the game is acting like ... well i dont know it using setting for an ability that havent exesited for like six or seven saves |
| 04:09.24 | DivinityOne | Remake map from start. that should fix the issue ;p *not very helpful* |
| 04:10.00 | Technomancer | DivinityOne, when I try to export it, it makes my 3dsmax go into "Not Responding" and this is before and after I reassigned the directories of the textures.... anything else u change aside from adding a couple animations? |
| 04:10.43 | Vailreth | what versions of max do you both have? |
| 04:10.48 | DivinityOne | nope |
| 04:10.53 | DivinityOne | i didnt touch ANYTHING but |
| 04:10.55 | DivinityOne | add 2 animations |
| 04:11.25 | DivinityOne | i did the animation in 64 bit 2010 |
| 04:11.44 | Technomancer | ... |
| 04:11.46 | DivinityOne | i have 2012 as well but the plugins not compatible 9so poepl say) |
| 04:12.09 | Technomancer | well ... I happen to be using 32 bit but that hasnt affected me exporting the models before |
| 04:12.20 | Technomancer | ok |
| 04:12.23 | DivinityOne | i dont think it should |
| 04:12.25 | Technomancer | I have an inkling of an idea |
| 04:12.28 | DivinityOne | mine goes into not responding |
| 04:12.34 | DivinityOne | but then it tells me after a min the error |
| 04:12.34 | Technomancer | ohh... |
| 04:13.03 | DivinityOne | Its like it hangs while it trys to figure itself out |
| 04:13.36 | Technomancer | ok what are the names of the animations u added? |
| 04:13.40 | Technomancer | we're gonna do a bit of troubleshooting |
| 04:14.10 | DivinityOne | last 2 |
| 04:14.13 | DivinityOne | death and sleep |
| 04:14.24 | DivinityOne | it might be the last one sleep |
| 04:14.27 | DivinityOne | if any.. cuasing it |
| 04:14.33 | DivinityOne | jsut delete it... i never tried that |
| 04:14.44 | DivinityOne | i basicly re timed the animation over an existing one... |
| 04:15.03 | DivinityOne | which should not effect anything.... but then again its not a pro plugin lol |
| 04:15.35 | Technomancer | .... |
| 04:15.41 | Technomancer | I think you just gave me the answer |
| 04:15.49 | Technomancer | It very much could affect it |
| 04:15.59 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 04:16.29 | DivinityOne | I really dont think tis the cause |
| 04:16.49 | DivinityOne | i jsut used a shared time index, |
| 04:17.02 | Technomancer | ah |
| 04:17.06 | Technomancer | then its possible its not |
| 04:17.08 | Technomancer | trying now |
| 04:17.13 | Technomancer | I thought u did something different... |
| 04:18.25 | DivinityOne | yea i didnt over right an animation |
| 04:19.15 | DivinityOne | hte last thing to do is delete the death animation... |
| 04:21.54 | DivinityOne | anyway its not a huge issue... |
| 04:22.02 | DivinityOne | i'll try with a diffent modle |
| 04:24.12 | Technomancer | its a bizarre issue ill give u that |
| 04:27.30 | DivinityOne | Well im not at the stage i need to care about modles... |
| 04:29.51 | Technomancer | well ill try my best man |
| 04:30.10 | Technomancer | idk why suddenly theres "get" function errors on alot of shit |
| 04:30.13 | Technomancer | not just this |
| 04:30.39 | DivinityOne | try the emitters? |
| 04:30.59 | DivinityOne | someone said to delete all the refrences to them in the curve/ dople menu thing |
| 04:31.03 | DivinityOne | i coudnt find them |
| 04:31.11 | DivinityOne | then again i hardly know how to use thoses menues |
| 04:38.42 | Vailreth | the more frustrated you get the harder trouble shooting becomes |
| 04:38.54 | Technomancer | im not frustrated |
| 04:39.01 | Technomancer | im waaay past that |
| 04:41.57 | Vailreth | finally i have my throw ball catch ball and ball land working |
| 04:44.01 | Technomancer | Div your friend was full of shit |
| 04:44.07 | Technomancer | they arent in those track view menus |
| 04:44.21 | Technomancer | I was quite thorough |
| 04:44.47 | DivinityOne | Then i'll be happy i ddint find them out of imcompitence ;p |
| 04:45.23 | Technomancer | indeed |
| 04:45.37 | Technomancer | im gonna see about finding your model and try reimporting it |
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| 04:47.55 | AlphA_VsT | anyone know how i can get the distance between two points where a unit currently is? |
| 04:49.07 | AlphA_VsT | so S....U...E I want the value of U and E so I can subtract it from S |
| 04:49.40 | Vailreth | i think i may know |
| 04:51.27 | Technomancer | DivinityOne where did u get the m3 out of for the original SuperCrane? Was it the campaign? |
| 04:51.38 | DivinityOne | dodads |
| 04:51.43 | DivinityOne | and yes |
| 04:53.08 | DivinityOne | its udner dodads |
| 04:53.10 | DivinityOne | not campaign |
| 04:54.34 | AlphA_VsT | sigh :P |
| 04:55.35 | AlphA_VsT | whats the best way to find the region a unit was created at :P |
| 04:56.06 | DivinityOne | position of unit... |
| 04:56.10 | DivinityOne | last created unit |
| 04:57.03 | DivinityOne | I normaly use points for unit creation/spawns. |
| 04:58.55 | AlphA_VsT | i need to get the unit later after its been created |
| 04:58.58 | AlphA_VsT | and moved |
| 05:00.41 | AlphA_VsT | and why does this give the same value............................ Variable - Set Distance = (Distance between (Position of Unit) and (Center of end)) |
| 05:01.26 | Vailreth | maybe make a custom function that returns the x and y of a point and do some math with those? |
| 05:02.00 | DivinityOne | No |
| 05:02.08 | DivinityOne | You just make a veriable for the unit in the trigger |
| 05:02.20 | DivinityOne | set veriable to UNIT to = last created unit |
| 05:02.24 | DivinityOne | and refrence the veriable |
| 05:02.24 | AlphA_VsT | i get 131 for distance no matter how close the unit it |
| 05:02.37 | AlphA_VsT | you guys have no idea what i need :p |
| 05:02.46 | Vailreth | what do you neeed |
| 05:03.15 | AlphA_VsT | I need to know in what region a unit was created |
| 05:03.46 | DivinityOne | why? |
| 05:03.54 | DivinityOne | i mean why do you need to know the region? |
| 05:04.15 | AlphA_VsT | So I can get the distance between it and the end |
| 05:04.35 | DivinityOne | 2 points basicly? |
| 05:04.50 | DivinityOne | Like i said... when you create the unit save it as a veriable |
| 05:04.59 | DivinityOne | and simply call that veriable for that exact unitys pos |
| 05:05.28 | AlphA_VsT | thats not going to work :P |
| 05:05.42 | DivinityOne | So Create 1 nova.... set veriable UNIT to her == last crated unit.... Then Set distance (distance between veriable UNIT, and center of end |
| 05:05.48 | DivinityOne | Um yes it will |
| 05:05.53 | DivinityOne | its how its supost to be done |
| 05:06.05 | AlphA_VsT | not when I have hundreds of units... |
| 05:06.19 | DivinityOne | why do you need to run it for hundreds of units? |
| 05:06.21 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 05:06.48 | DivinityOne | your trying to make a progress bar for how far along something is on a track or something? |
| 05:07.01 | AlphA_VsT | kinda |
| 05:07.09 | DivinityOne | exsplain ind etail |
| 05:07.26 | DivinityOne | if i know exactly what your trying to do i can proably give you a decent answer |
| 05:08.15 | AlphA_VsT | Im not making a progress bar i jsut need the math :P |
| 05:08.37 | DivinityOne | what are you doing in the map/game lol |
| 05:08.43 | AlphA_VsT | and i have more than 1 spawn location |
| 05:08.49 | DivinityOne | i know alot of ways to track distance, but for what reason/purpose |
| 05:08.54 | DivinityOne | theres many diffrent ways to do it |
| 05:08.59 | AlphA_VsT | for math reason |
| 05:09.18 | DivinityOne | why are you being evasive lol. |
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| 05:09.36 | AlphA_VsT | because thats all that needs to be said? |
| 05:09.48 | AlphA_VsT | and anyways Variable - Set Distance = (Distance between (Position of Unit) and (Center of end)) doesnt work :( |
| 05:09.50 | DivinityOne | well good luck then. lol |
| 05:10.14 | DivinityOne | well you might be doing the entier trigger wrong period... |
| 05:10.20 | DivinityOne | dpeending on what its supost to do |
| 05:10.26 | DivinityOne | but your not shareing lol. |
| 05:10.32 | AlphA_VsT | thats all I have so far |
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| 05:10.47 | AlphA_VsT | and the value never cahnges |
| 05:11.01 | DivinityOne | beacuse it dosnt know what unit its tracking |
| 05:11.34 | DivinityOne | thats why you need a veriable... |
| 05:11.35 | AlphA_VsT | im not stupid, I know how to test things |
| 05:11.47 | AlphA_VsT | and Unit is a paramater |
| 05:12.59 | DivinityOne | Look, i can help you, but the hell if i can if you dont want to even say what your trying to acomplish. Whats the pourpose of knowing the distance? You said it snot oen unit but many? Without contect thats just meaninless. |
| 05:13.17 | DivinityOne | context* |
| 05:14.49 | AlphA_VsT | I need the math its for score... |
| 05:15.42 | DivinityOne | I dont care what the maths for lol, i care in what siutation you need to know where the unit is in refrence to something. are they on some leniar path, are they a horde? |
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| 05:16.27 | AlphA_VsT | they move from point a to b... wtf does it matter |
| 05:16.28 | DivinityOne | dose each unit update its score based on distance to goal? etc |
| 05:17.08 | AlphA_VsT | anyways you overly complicate things apparently |
| 05:17.31 | DivinityOne | Jesus Christ... i give up. Look if you want to be difficult find. keep whatever 'secret' thing your doing secret. If you don't want help don't ask. |
| 05:17.49 | DivinityOne | its not complicated. its theres half a dozen ways to get that math, you need to know the right oen to do it |
| 05:19.37 | Vailreth | where the hell is the soccer ball model |
| 05:19.55 | DivinityOne | Thats orginal i thought to star strikers |
| 05:20.02 | DivinityOne | i dont think it was orginaly in sc2 |
| 05:20.28 | Vailreth | it is |
| 05:20.41 | DivinityOne | mmm |
| 05:20.43 | Vailreth | its a doodad and has no bound sphere |
| 05:21.11 | DivinityOne | never came across it myself |
| 05:22.10 | Vailreth | im using it in a mod but it has no coolision |
| 05:22.13 | AlphA_VsT | I had it set as no unit :D |
| 05:22.37 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 05:26.49 | AlphA_VsT | ok well i got that all figgured out |
| 05:27.25 | AlphA_VsT | now i just need to figgure out the ebst way to find the units spawn location :P |
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| 05:29.40 | tordy | desean jackson |
| 05:29.44 | tordy | .... GETS A BLOCK |
| 05:30.34 | AlphA_VsT | ... |
| 05:32.06 | Technomancer | ... |
| 05:32.09 | Technomancer | DivinityOne |
| 05:32.20 | Technomancer | the supercrane model took the longest of any ive ever imported |
| 05:32.36 | Technomancer | iv got a GTX 580 video card, core I7, and it took 58 seconds... |
| 05:32.43 | Technomancer | most models take 1.5-4 seconds... |
| 05:32.59 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:34.20 | Technomancer | ....same fucking export problem |
| 05:34.31 | Technomancer | importing succeeded, exporting fails...WHYYYYY |
| 05:34.51 | Technomancer | this is the raw unedited m3 im doing too, I make no changes whatsoever |
| 05:35.55 | tordy | what supercrane model |
| 05:36.26 | Technomancer | its a fucking construction crane thats got 2 mecha arms but a stationary platform support... |
| 05:36.41 | Technomancer | it causes all sorts of shit, idk why, I import fine, export no |
| 05:36.46 | DivinityOne | Lol |
| 05:36.46 | JademusSreg | I prefer Units/Terran/SuperCraneAdvanced |
| 05:36.48 | Technomancer | and Div had same issues |
| 05:36.52 | Technomancer | idk why man |
| 05:36.52 | DivinityOne | i import it in like 44 seconds |
| 05:36.58 | Technomancer | u got ssd? |
| 05:37.06 | DivinityOne | nope |
| 05:37.19 | Technomancer | mmm |
| 05:37.22 | Technomancer | well |
| 05:37.52 | Technomancer | im getting the same issue exporting any model now |
| 05:37.52 | DivinityOne | my cards jsut better ;p radion x9750 |
| 05:38.00 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:38.01 | Technomancer | maybe its the plugin |
| 05:38.04 | Technomancer | idk |
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| 05:38.09 | AlphA_VsT | probably |
| 05:38.09 | Technomancer | maybe something corrupted it? |
| 05:38.11 | AlphA_VsT | its shitty |
| 05:38.20 | Technomancer | yeah |
| 05:38.30 | Technomancer | I appreciate someone made it but it really is lacking |
| 05:38.30 | JademusSreg | ATI Radeon HD 5800 series. It's a decent card, I suppose. |
| 05:39.06 | Technomancer | well the 580 is the strongest nvidia card. mines just 1.5 gb GDDR5, not 3 |
| 05:39.14 | Technomancer | anywhoooo |
| 05:39.27 | Technomancer | il try fuckin reloading the plugins |
| 05:39.36 | DivinityOne | I have a 48 inch monitor *compares* |
| 05:39.45 | Technomancer | mines just 32, but its 1080p |
| 05:39.52 | DivinityOne | same |
| 05:40.03 | Technomancer | I didnt say i'd win lol |
| 05:40.04 | DivinityOne | hd monitor, i have to sit across the room though LOL |
| 05:40.05 | DivinityOne | its to big |
| 05:40.07 | Vailreth | onc i get my usb out to hdmi i will have three monitors one 32 inch |
| 05:40.27 | Technomancer | noice noice |
| 05:40.41 | DivinityOne | I REALLY want a 2ed monitor... just for convience... but no room on my desk... |
| 05:40.54 | DivinityOne | I ahve an executives desk... but the monitor makes it feel small |
| 05:41.48 | Vailreth | three monitors wow i could take getting nothing done to a whole new level with three |
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| 05:42.14 | AlphA_VsT | i only have 1 :P |
| 05:42.28 | AlphA_VsT | thast enough for me |
| 05:42.30 | DivinityOne | haha |
| 05:42.31 | Vailreth | you need moar |
| 05:42.36 | DivinityOne | 2 is ideal |
| 05:42.45 | DivinityOne | refrence/e-mail etc stuff on the secondary |
| 05:42.50 | DivinityOne | work and main focuse on primary |
| 05:42.56 | DivinityOne | i HATE tabbing between things |
| 05:43.11 | tordy | wassup dudes |
| 05:43.14 | Vailreth | i once piced out my dream mac... |
| 05:43.26 | DivinityOne | Mac... |
| 05:43.44 | Vailreth | would have had 8 dual oul put bridge able video cards for up to 16 montors |
| 05:44.02 | DivinityOne | Yes... but.... its a mac.... |
| 05:44.24 | AlphA_VsT | Im on my mac mini :P |
| 05:44.29 | Vailreth | yeah... over priced .. underpowered art pives the lot of the, |
| 05:44.41 | Vailreth | art pieces* |
| 05:44.42 | AlphA_VsT | yeah :P |
| 05:45.05 | AlphA_VsT | my pc cost as much as my mac and its beastly :P |
| 05:45.32 | Vailreth | i will be building a new pc if i can save up enough by christmass |
| 05:45.39 | DivinityOne | Mac is like the fat kid running after the school bus he just missed... It dosnt matter how hard he tries... his fat ass aint getting to school on time. |
| 05:45.51 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:45.53 | Vailreth | ouch man ,., |
| 05:48.07 | DivinityOne | I think im going to fully animate the SM modles |
| 05:48.16 | DivinityOne | like annible and the other mechanics |
| 05:48.30 | DivinityOne | screw civs... thir ugly low pixle... |
| 05:48.35 | DivinityOne | but the SM modles are awsome |
| 05:48.52 | DivinityOne | They jsut lack about every mocement animation >_> |
| 05:48.56 | AlphA_VsT | fucking models man not modles |
| 05:49.17 | AlphA_VsT | its starting to piss me off :p |
| 05:49.43 | DivinityOne | Dude i misstype every fucking word i write lol, and thats the one that pisses you off lol? |
| 05:50.31 | Vailreth | i need to figure out how to write m3h files or is it m3a that is the aditional anims for units |
| 05:50.37 | AlphA_VsT | yes haha :D |
| 05:50.52 | AlphA_VsT | because you do it every single time :D |
| 05:50.59 | DivinityOne | if the exporter worked i could jsut make them... |
| 05:53.41 | DivinityOne | is there a condition to know if players typeing? or dose chat window auto disclude trigger hotkey refrences? |
| 05:58.49 | Flopjack | Anyone know how to disable resource sharing? |
| 06:00.28 | DivinityOne | Id assume it would be a simple trigger |
| 06:00.36 | AlphA_VsT | it is |
| 06:01.31 | AlphA_VsT | they have a search for a reason... |
| 06:06.52 | Flopjack | Yeah, Flopjack. |
| 06:06.59 | Flopjack | (Thanks. :|) |
| 06:07.29 | Flopjack | What about if someone leaves. Can I prevent their resources from pooling to their ally? |
| 06:07.43 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 06:07.47 | JademusSreg | Delete the triggers. |
| 06:08.03 | Flopjack | Which one? |
| 06:09.35 | JademusSreg | Oh wait, you probably can't delete the ones of which I am thinking. |
| 06:09.47 | JademusSreg | They're not allocated to variables, haha. |
| 06:10.06 | Flopjack | Hmm. |
| 06:28.09 | Technomancer | DivinityOne |
| 06:28.35 | Technomancer | I believe at this point it is not unreasonable to assume that something is broken with one of the files when they made the new versions |
| 06:28.46 | Technomancer | id suggest downgrading below 1.8 to try... |
| 06:28.47 | DivinityOne | meh |
| 06:29.04 | DivinityOne | do they even have an old version archive? |
| 06:29.08 | Technomancer | Because this shouldnt be happening - it didnt used to |
| 06:29.18 | Technomancer | on sc2mapsters they have recent files down to 1.6 it seems |
| 06:29.29 | DivinityOne | k |
| 06:29.35 | DivinityOne | i'll check them tomarrow |
| 06:29.37 | Technomancer | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/ |
| 06:29.43 | Technomancer | it really sucks... |
| 06:29.58 | Technomancer | I can swap textures without needing 3ds but thats all I can do |
| 06:30.00 | DivinityOne | Pretty much shot alot of my motivation in the foot thats for sure ;p |
| 06:30.13 | Technomancer | It will be resolved.....eventually |
| 06:30.22 | DivinityOne | yea till then i terrain! |
| 06:30.33 | DivinityOne | My starting area is looking very nice now |
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| 06:32.11 | tordy | sup guys how ya doin |
| 06:33.35 | Technomancer | ..... |
| 06:33.50 | Technomancer | DivinityOne try replacing all the 1.8 files with 1.7b... |
| 06:33.56 | Technomancer | and then export.... |
| 06:34.05 | Technomancer | Just try that one last thing |
| 06:34.10 | Technomancer | if it doesnt work, we can call it a night |
| 06:34.14 | DivinityOne | i will tomarrow ;p |
| 06:34.21 | DivinityOne | in a b.net game |
| 06:34.21 | Technomancer | oh u suck |
| 06:34.22 | Technomancer | fine I will |
| 06:34.24 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 06:34.27 | DivinityOne | i need abreak! |
| 06:34.36 | Technomancer | its not like im asking you to do a ui ffs |
| 06:34.39 | Technomancer | lol fine |
| 06:34.41 | Technomancer | ill do it |
| 06:35.56 | DivinityOne | bet you 10-1 if it dose work, the animations i made wont :p |
| 06:36.12 | Technomancer | i'll wager 5 quatloos |
| 06:39.46 | Vailreth | brb i have to restart... again |
| 06:40.03 | Technomancer | k |
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| 06:45.20 | Vailreth | and what do you know im back |
| 06:45.25 | Technomancer | i downloaded several versions of the m3 plugin |
| 06:45.36 | Technomancer | im so furious right now, it was hard enough without this shit |
| 06:46.58 | Technomancer | .....wait......did it export? |
| 06:47.00 | Technomancer | ..... |
| 06:47.12 | Technomancer | the file is in the folder..... but no thats impossible... |
| 06:47.26 | Technomancer | I gotta import it and see for myself |
| 06:49.30 | tordy | you're welcome |
| 06:50.02 | Technomancer | ???? |
| 06:50.08 | Technomancer | for? |
| 06:52.01 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 06:52.04 | DivinityOne | did it export? |
| 06:53.55 | Technomancer | yes...however |
| 06:54.06 | Technomancer | it looks like its moving at 20-50x speed lol |
| 06:54.11 | Technomancer | idk wtf thats about |
| 06:54.24 | DivinityOne | you forgot to set the export fps |
| 06:54.40 | DivinityOne | it defualts to 1k... |
| 06:54.42 | Technomancer | its always set at a default rate... but what rate would u have me set to |
| 06:54.50 | DivinityOne | set it to 30 |
| 06:54.57 | Technomancer | ooookies |
| 06:55.04 | DivinityOne | its at 1k... which si wrong lol |
| 06:55.08 | Technomancer | the death ani shows up in previewer, not the sleep one |
| 06:55.11 | Technomancer | okies |
| 06:55.13 | Vailreth | wait |
| 06:55.31 | Vailreth | sc2 uses the 1k speed for its animations |
| 06:55.41 | Technomancer | apparently this model is an exception |
| 06:55.47 | Vailreth | hmm |
| 06:55.58 | Technomancer | OR |
| 06:56.02 | Technomancer | Div did something to it, idk |
| 06:56.06 | Vailreth | well if it errors out try the 1k |
| 06:56.11 | Technomancer | I did |
| 06:56.17 | Technomancer | thats what I did for default |
| 06:56.21 | Technomancer | I didnt change that lol I never do |
| 06:56.38 | Vailreth | and did the default error out? |
| 06:57.02 | Technomancer | no no no |
| 06:57.07 | Technomancer | it just looks like its lightning fast |
| 06:57.15 | Technomancer | it did export, just on crack lol |
| 06:57.33 | Technomancer | I set it to 30 fps, we'll see how that oes |
| 06:57.34 | Technomancer | goes |
| 07:03.27 | Technomancer | successful...although if you'd like it a little slower, say 25, that'd be cool too. might be a bit more realistic if its huge, it wont be moving that fast, depends on the size u make it i guess |
| 07:04.44 | Technomancer | You know it is a pretty cool model that ive never dealt with before, i might make an attack ani for it |
| 07:07.32 | DivinityOne | back |
| 07:08.23 | Technomancer | So does this mean you'll help me with my map? :3 |
| 07:08.36 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 07:08.40 | Vailreth | ok i have ball pick up done so a capture the flag game is very possible |
| 07:08.42 | DivinityOne | maybe |
| 07:08.47 | DivinityOne | did you export it okay? |
| 07:08.50 | Technomancer | yup |
| 07:08.53 | DivinityOne | which ver of the plugin? |
| 07:09.00 | Technomancer | 1.7... I think |
| 07:09.04 | Technomancer | no 1.7b |
| 07:09.13 | DivinityOne | k |
| 07:09.19 | Technomancer | so 1.8 has defects |
| 07:09.22 | DivinityOne | did my new animatiosn work? |
| 07:09.36 | Technomancer | death is a reverse of birth yes? and sleep is just frozen in the deactivated state |
| 07:09.39 | DivinityOne | like do they play in the editor |
| 07:09.43 | DivinityOne | yes |
| 07:09.44 | DivinityOne | good |
| 07:09.47 | Technomancer | ya |
| 07:09.48 | DivinityOne | if they work = awsome |
| 07:09.56 | DivinityOne | beacuse it missed thoughs and needed them |
| 07:10.09 | DivinityOne | Now you can turn it on and off |
| 07:10.15 | Technomancer | I could add an attack ani where it pounds fists if u want lol |
| 07:10.34 | DivinityOne | I planned to but feel free if your feeling adventurus |
| 07:10.43 | DivinityOne | This unit would be a stationary fight |
| 07:10.49 | Technomancer | well the only thing is, if its a static model, idk how it'd turn |
| 07:10.51 | DivinityOne | so the battle zone would be confined to infront of it |
| 07:11.01 | DivinityOne | You dont want it to |
| 07:11.01 | Technomancer | well it'd be a different ani at every so often angle |
| 07:11.05 | DivinityOne | its an encamped unit |
| 07:11.08 | DivinityOne | think a sige tank |
| 07:11.09 | Vailreth | if you feel very advernterous i could use some new fatty and lazer tank anims |
| 07:11.09 | Technomancer | oh ok |
| 07:11.32 | Technomancer | lol idk about tonight... fatty zerg ones u mean? |
| 07:11.39 | Vailreth | yea |
| 07:11.41 | Technomancer | I actually like that model and was planning to touch it eventually |
| 07:11.48 | Vailreth | sweet |
| 07:11.50 | Technomancer | idk what lazer tank is. remind me? |
| 07:12.11 | DivinityOne | Combine the phneix gravity ability with the pick up animation... and you can have it grab units off the ground and toss them in the ore grinder |
| 07:12.14 | Vailreth | its a hidden model in the game likely the precursor to the lazer drill |
| 07:12.33 | Technomancer | Well you could have 2 simple attack anis. one where it pounds right fist/claw, and one where it pounds left |
| 07:12.43 | Technomancer | there could be a ground indicator giving you a split second to respond |
| 07:12.48 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 07:12.55 | DivinityOne | Its a boss fight |
| 07:12.58 | DivinityOne | it needs many tricks |
| 07:13.00 | Technomancer | ik |
| 07:13.01 | DivinityOne | dont forget the missle pods |
| 07:13.13 | Technomancer | ohhhh |
| 07:13.16 | Technomancer | i think ive seen ittttt |
| 07:13.17 | DivinityOne | or the banging walls and makeing debrie fall from above |
| 07:13.18 | DivinityOne | etc |
| 07:14.28 | Technomancer | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58284173/SuperCrane%20A.m3 |
| 07:15.06 | DivinityOne | now for me to figure out how to import it :p |
| 07:15.11 | JademusSreg | Haven't you seen SuperCraneAdvanced? |
| 07:15.21 | DivinityOne | nope... |
| 07:15.29 | DivinityOne | to busy with super crane! |
| 07:15.37 | JademusSreg | Assets/Units/Terran/SuperCraneAdvanced/ |
| 07:15.46 | JademusSreg | It's a mobile version with animations. |
| 07:16.26 | JademusSreg | The thing looks like it was -made- for a boss battle. |
| 07:16.56 | DivinityOne | ahh see it now |
| 07:16.57 | DivinityOne | its cool |
| 07:17.04 | DivinityOne | has some ncie attacks |
| 07:17.11 | DivinityOne | i agree |
| 07:17.18 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/Previewer001.jpg |
| 07:17.27 | DivinityOne | but... i like the gungy (you dont know its going to attack you) look |
| 07:18.35 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 07:18.42 | DivinityOne | super crange alreayd has a ton of attacks to work with |
| 07:20.21 | DivinityOne | its already set up as a unit modle |
| 07:20.28 | DivinityOne | might as well jsut make a unit with it >_> |
| 07:21.27 | Technomancer | nice |
| 07:21.29 | DivinityOne | still i like the beefyer meaner look of super crane... who knows. thoses little gizmos in its hands might be hidden in supercrane |
| 07:21.31 | DivinityOne | i didnt check |
| 07:21.49 | Technomancer | Div just import it into GE idk why u said u gotta find a way to |
| 07:22.16 | DivinityOne | beacuse the file > import is buryed man! Stupid programers never thinking about the little guy |
| 07:22.41 | DivinityOne | Should be this big fat butotn right in the middle of the screen that says import! |
| 07:22.42 | Technomancer | uh what do u mean? lol |
| 07:22.46 | Technomancer | ... |
| 07:22.50 | Technomancer | dude theres an import module |
| 07:22.51 | DivinityOne | and it should have discalmer text of how many times to press it |
| 07:23.02 | DivinityOne | im being sarcastic lol |
| 07:24.22 | Technomancer | lol I thought at first but then wasnt sure |
| 07:24.24 | Technomancer | took it too far lol |
| 07:24.32 | Technomancer | *hands Div a guide on sarcasm* |
| 07:25.12 | Technomancer | ok Vail that lazer tank is pretty fucking awesome. im more of a toss guy but still its amazing |
| 07:25.16 | Technomancer | what did u want for it |
| 07:25.21 | Technomancer | animations i mean |
| 07:25.42 | DivinityOne | they use that tank in squadrion tower defence ;p |
| 07:26.32 | Vailreth | i was think if possible a turn right and left and an attack channel that moves the small side pices forward and back if you can |
| 07:28.32 | Technomancer | what, it cant turn?? |
| 07:28.52 | DivinityOne | I think he means he wants the gun to be a turret |
| 07:28.57 | Vailreth | the treads only move one way |
| 07:29.13 | DivinityOne | ahh revese trads in place? |
| 07:29.17 | DivinityOne | thats easy |
| 07:29.26 | DivinityOne | jsut recale the slect animation chain :p |
| 07:29.34 | Vailreth | would look funny when it turns if they arent moving diffrent directions |
| 07:30.07 | Vailreth | i have my own project now i have to reskin the targeting drone placement model |
| 07:30.24 | Vailreth | and animate it |
| 07:31.27 | Technomancer | I understand Vail |
| 07:42.56 | Technomancer | So Div im gonna start working on that gladitorial map I mentioned. By Dota-style, I meant excluding waves, its a hero progressionist idea. For now i'll take hiatus from modeling and focus on researching that kinda map but I could still use some snippets of code and such for building a proper engine |
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| 07:44.52 | Technomancer | wb o.o |
| 07:44.57 | Vailreth | if you need data help or anything |
| 07:45.05 | Technomancer | its a bit more indepth than mere data |
| 07:45.26 | Technomancer | we're talking about the kinda rpg/inventory system where u save level, stats, equipment, etc |
| 07:46.01 | Technomancer | I have ambitious ideas, but for some facets dont know where to start... |
| 07:46.48 | Vailreth | isee |
| 07:46.55 | Technomancer | do u got experience with that? |
| 07:47.04 | Technomancer | like rpg/inventory systems? |
| 07:48.34 | Vailreth | none other than whats built in |
| 07:49.05 | Technomancer | trying to think what a good example is. Zerg Hunter has some of what im talking about but its even more than that |
| 07:50.25 | Technomancer | it'd store level, inventory, and stats so u can play other games with teh same character u advanced |
| 07:51.31 | Vailreth | ah thats banks... im not sure what all they can store though.. |
| 07:52.39 | Technomancer | Div seems confident he can find a way... |
| 07:52.59 | Technomancer | and ill start lookin |
| 07:55.14 | Technomancer | I had a brilliant idea once but I doubt it'd be legal, Blizzard'd prolly shut it down fast |
| 08:04.52 | DivinityOne | Im not going to make your map Tech lol |
| 08:04.57 | DivinityOne | i'll 'help' you make it though |
| 08:05.08 | DivinityOne | i have A lot to do with my map then to do two at once ;p |
| 08:15.05 | Technomancer | I didnt ask u to make it lol |
| 08:15.47 | Technomancer | Really at this time all I can think of is the hero inventory/stat saving issue |
| 08:18.44 | DivinityOne | Trust me... its ALOT more complicated then that... i mean... you need to terrain the actual map to ;p |
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| 08:18.57 | Technomancer | the aesthetics is not an issue for me |
| 08:19.00 | DivinityOne | I only have my starting area done lol |
| 08:19.42 | Flopjack | Thanks for your help, Divinity. |
| 08:19.49 | DivinityOne | Yea |
| 08:19.53 | DivinityOne | fix the alliances |
| 08:20.12 | DivinityOne | make sure you dont skip someones death/cancel spawning |
| 08:20.15 | DivinityOne | thats what happened |
| 08:20.30 | DivinityOne | the unit died.... but the spawn didnt... ti defualted to lower left corner |
| 08:22.22 | Flopjack | What was up with the alliance thing? |
| 08:22.48 | Flopjack | Right now I'm using player 12 & 45, does that mess with anything? |
| 08:24.12 | DivinityOne | Tech me and you should make an awsome map together sometime later. A theme map thats nothing but kick ass boss battles and mini games |
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| 08:24.40 | DivinityOne | i dont know i had three aliances |
| 08:24.45 | DivinityOne | two allies* |
| 08:25.47 | Flopjack | Yeah hmm |
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| 09:45.12 | Technomancer | making a Zealot general model. shoulders giving me difficulty but otherwise promising. I could use it now if i chose not to use some anis... id rather wait |
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| 11:54.37 | A1win | err... I'm using replace unit on a structure and the new unit appears one tile to the side instead of in the same spot >_> |
| 11:54.54 | A1win | maybe I should be using remove/create |
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| 12:24.24 | MasterReY | hey |
| 12:24.44 | MasterReY | is it possible to change the color of an animation per trigger? |
| 12:25.24 | MasterReY | i have the "nanorepair" effect (the repair effect from the science vessel) on a unit but i dont want to have it blue but switching from orange to red |
| 12:25.35 | MasterReY | and back to orange etc |
| 12:26.45 | MasterReY | i know there is an action like "Send message to actor "Set Tintcolor...."...." but i doesnt know exactly how it works |
| 12:27.04 | MasterReY | the model is linked with an actor and behavior |
| 12:28.20 | A1win | you can only change the color of an actor, so if there is a separate actor that controls the repair model, then you can change the tint color of the actor |
| 12:28.41 | MasterReY | yeah the actor controls the model |
| 12:28.59 | A1win | and on what event you want it to change color? |
| 12:29.04 | MasterReY | like repairbehavior.on --> create model --> repüairbehavior.off --> destroy model |
| 12:29.06 | MasterReY | like that |
| 12:29.09 | MasterReY | works totally fine |
| 12:29.36 | MasterReY | i want to have the color changed from blue tio orange rifght from the start (when the model is created) |
| 12:29.50 | MasterReY | i dont want to see the blue model at all |
| 12:29.53 | A1win | you want the actual effect's color to change, or the unit's color? |
| 12:30.05 | MasterReY | effects color |
| 12:30.31 | A1win | so it's orange all the time when it's visible? |
| 12:30.32 | A1win | or what |
| 12:30.36 | MasterReY | those little blue gear wheals |
| 12:30.45 | A1win | I don't remember how it looks |
| 12:31.01 | MasterReY | it should change from orange to red all the time but it would be a good start to have it just orange for now |
| 12:31.17 | MasterReY | its blue all the time now |
| 12:31.21 | MasterReY | but i want it orange |
| 12:31.25 | MasterReY | thats all |
| 12:31.47 | A1win | then you should add an actor message with event "Actor Creation" and message "Set Tint Color" |
| 12:31.56 | A1win | in the actor's events |
| 12:32.10 | MasterReY | ah ok |
| 12:32.18 | MasterReY | in the data editor on the actor of the model? |
| 12:32.28 | A1win | mm |
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| 12:35.19 | MasterReY | on actor creation event i have the action "Animation Play" |
| 12:35.22 | MasterReY | play forever |
| 12:35.24 | MasterReY | etc |
| 12:35.35 | MasterReY | how do i add another action to that event? |
| 12:35.38 | A1win | make another event |
| 12:35.45 | A1win | you can only have one action per event |
| 12:35.52 | A1win | which sucks but that's how it works <.< |
| 12:36.23 | MasterReY | so i can have two events called "Actor Creation"? |
| 12:36.32 | A1win | yup |
| 12:36.52 | MasterReY | hehe ok |
| 12:38.08 | MasterReY | i added an event called "Animation Play" and set the tint color as action now |
| 12:38.12 | MasterReY | lets see if that works :D |
| 12:38.35 | MasterReY | it should since the action on the event "actor creation" is "Animation Play" |
| 12:39.38 | MasterReY | kk works |
| 12:39.43 | MasterReY | thanks :) |
| 12:39.55 | MasterReY | any idea how to change it per trigger now? |
| 12:40.07 | A1win | per trigger? |
| 12:40.13 | MasterReY | now its orange when its created, and now it should change to red after 1 sec |
| 12:40.19 | MasterReY | and then to orange again after 1 sec |
| 12:40.21 | MasterReY | etc |
| 12:40.34 | MasterReY | or is that possible per data editor aswellß |
| 12:40.35 | MasterReY | ? |
| 12:40.49 | MasterReY | per action inside a trigger i meant |
| 12:40.53 | A1win | should be, there's some way to add delays but I havne't used them |
| 12:41.05 | A1win | *haven't |
| 12:42.29 | MasterReY | i mean i already manage to change the color of units per action from a trigger |
| 12:42.53 | MasterReY | Actor - Send message "SetTintColor 219,30,30 0.500000" to actor (Actor for RepairTarget) |
| 12:43.14 | MasterReY | that one changes the color of the unit |
| 12:43.26 | MasterReY | but i dont want the unit to chage but the repair animation^^ |
| 12:44.51 | A1win | you can start delays and then have events that fire when the delay ends, I think |
| 12:45.40 | A1win | I'm trying to figure out how to morph my command center into planetary fortress and keep the command center's two custom values stored for the morphed unit, but can't figure it out >_> |
| 12:46.09 | A1win | if I catch the event when the PF morph finishes, the custom values are already gone, and if I catch the event when it starts, I don't have the unit it morphs into to give the values to |
| 12:47.23 | A1win | I wonder if it'd be possible to just make the command center look and behave like PF by giving it a behavior that enables its weapons and changes the animation (since PF already uses the CC actor anyway) |
| 12:48.18 | A1win | err it doesn't, mmh |
| 12:48.33 | A1win | ah but it does use CC model |
| 12:50.04 | MasterReY | ok cant you just save those 2 numbers in temporary variables? |
| 12:50.18 | A1win | how do I know which unit to give them to ;p |
| 12:51.27 | MasterReY | trigger--> event: any unit enters ---> condition unit= PF ---> set custom ress = temp saved variables? |
| 12:51.29 | MasterReY | ;D |
| 12:52.02 | A1win | and what if two PFs morph at the same time ;p |
| 12:52.33 | A1win | the values are different for each unit |
| 12:52.44 | MasterReY | then you have a problem |
| 12:52.46 | MasterReY | ^^ |
| 12:52.48 | A1win | hehe |
| 12:52.55 | MasterReY | save the position of the cc aswell^^ |
| 12:52.58 | MasterReY | haha |
| 12:53.00 | A1win | :P |
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| 12:53.16 | A1win | the fact that it'd happen with a delay would already cause problems |
| 12:53.27 | A1win | something might try to reference those values before they get set |
| 12:53.43 | A1win | hmm I think I can make this behavior thing work |
| 12:54.29 | A1win | I give it a Not Planetary Fortress Behavior that disables its weapons and PF abilities and then remove it when it morphs to PF :P |
| 12:55.57 | MasterReY | hm maybe |
| 12:56.11 | MasterReY | need to give the cc model too when behavior is on |
| 12:56.25 | MasterReY | btw the orange colo on the repair model looks very weird |
| 12:56.38 | MasterReY | there is some weird blue border still |
| 12:56.43 | A1win | it's the same model |
| 12:56.47 | A1win | just different animation group |
| 12:56.52 | MasterReY | the original is white/blue |
| 12:56.57 | MasterReY | mine is now orange/blue |
| 12:56.59 | MasterReY | t-t |
| 12:57.15 | A1win | you can't add color to a model, only remove |
| 12:57.35 | A1win | if a model's color is 0 0 255 (pure blue), you can't add red and green, only make it darker blue |
| 12:57.52 | A1win | it's just a tint color, not an absolute recolor |
| 12:58.16 | MasterReY | ah |
| 12:58.19 | MasterReY | ok |
| 12:58.22 | MasterReY | didnt know that |
| 12:58.45 | MasterReY | for a totally new color i need an extra program right? |
| 12:58.54 | A1win | mm need to change the model's texture |
| 13:08.54 | A1win | is there a way to hide an ability from a unit with a behavior other than giving a requirement to the ability itself? I only found how to disable abilities |
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| 13:28.29 | MasterReY | sry cant help^^ |
| 13:28.35 | MasterReY | ill leave now, thanks for your help |
| 13:28.37 | MasterReY | bye |
| 13:31.14 | A1win | whee it works |
| 13:31.43 | A1win | err not the ability hiding, forgot what I had said here last ;p |
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| 13:47.35 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ok wtf egodbout |
| 13:47.48 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | he just stole my idea |
| 13:47.54 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | that ive been working on for months |
| 13:48.13 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/31541-when-diablo-ii-meet-starcraft-ii-2d-and-3d-nice-result/ |
| 13:48.34 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | and he gets full support from commutity like honestly |
| 13:49.57 | Fredypimp | :O |
| 13:52.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im somewhat pissed and sad cause it forces me to stop develpment |
| 13:52.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | cause now there is no point |
| 13:53.03 | Fredypimp | :S |
| 13:53.12 | Fredypimp | Were you far in the dv? |
| 13:53.16 | Fredypimp | dev |
| 13:55.23 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | about 70% |
| 13:55.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have 12 spells and full map is done |
| 13:55.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | just needed to work on quests and more spells plus inventory |
| 13:56.00 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have it published on bnet |
| 13:56.16 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | heres my link |
| 13:56.17 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/diablo-2-act-1/ |
| 13:56.31 | Fredypimp | :O |
| 13:56.50 | Fredypimp | Then continue working on it, it could be better than his ;) |
| 13:56.54 | A1win | you mean he also stole blizzard's idea D: |
| 13:56.56 | A1win | :P |
| 13:56.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | his looks way better |
| 13:57.25 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes but i also stole blizz idea lol |
| 13:57.33 | Fredypimp | :P |
| 13:57.35 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but he knew i was working on this map |
| 13:57.39 | A1win | that's what I meant by "also" |
| 13:57.43 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
| 13:57.54 | Fredypimp | I think you should continue work on yours :) |
| 13:58.13 | A1win | make maps based on original ideas and no one can steal them (at least not until they're done) ;p |
| 13:59.20 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | still its the idea |
| 14:00.09 | Fredypimp | I am at shcool right now and I cant subscribe to sc2mapster... :( |
| 14:00.20 | Fredypimp | can anyone PM me to help me and subscribe me? |
| 14:00.28 | Fredypimp | at my place..? |
| 14:01.41 | Fredypimp | I cant subscribe because i must use a proxy to see the website |
| 14:06.48 | Fredypimp | Guys, do you think the terrain is good? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/squadbattlesc2map.png/ |
| 14:07.00 | Fredypimp | If no, what should I do to make it better? |
| 14:10.46 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im not really pissed off tht he did it its just he gets more recognition than i have |
| 14:11.00 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | also its just gonna be a war for players |
| 14:11.20 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | my main goal was to make all acts |
| 14:11.29 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | so there was replayability |
| 14:11.50 | Fredypimp | So your maps arent the same :D |
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| 14:13.14 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | they are base off the same act right now |
| 14:13.31 | Fredypimp | yea but you plan making other acts? |
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| 14:15.29 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes but ill then hae to port my shit into a mod |
| 14:15.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its what i plan doesnt mean im gonna do it |
| 14:16.06 | Fredypimp | If you got the motivation youll do it ;) |
| 14:16.15 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i guess |
| 14:16.27 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the thing im having an issue wth is spells and inventory |
| 14:16.38 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | spells because well theres 150 |
| 14:16.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | and my iventry just doesnt ant to work |
| 14:16.57 | Fredypimp | :O |
| 14:17.03 | Fredypimp | Maybe I could try to help? :) |
| 14:17.21 | Fredypimp | Im pretty new to the editor but I think im prety good for when I started |
| 14:17.27 | Fredypimp | with the inventory |
| 14:17.41 | Fredypimp | spells are a bit too much confusing for now :S |
| 14:18.48 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | well i want a dialog inventory the most but i might ave to use the sc2 one |
| 14:18.56 | Fredypimp | y? |
| 14:19.03 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | as the dialog one doesnt work properly for my movement system |
| 14:19.17 | Fredypimp | oh |
| 14:19.18 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | im click moving right click disabled |
| 14:19.20 | Fredypimp | hmm |
| 14:19.36 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ahli |
| 14:19.40 | Fredypimp | you could desactivate that when inventory opened |
| 14:19.43 | Fredypimp | ? |
| 14:19.45 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | no |
| 14:19.48 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ahli |
| 14:19.56 | Fredypimp | ahli? |
| 14:20.02 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | he made diablo 1 |
| 14:20.10 | Fredypimp | oh |
| 14:20.12 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | his inventory works |
| 14:20.38 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ill find what i have been using |
| 14:20.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/dialog-based-inventory/ |
| 14:21.10 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | this is made by helral but its missing functions and its also confusing |
| 14:21.25 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but i want mine to work exactly like that |
| 14:21.32 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | items take up variable spaces |
| 14:21.47 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lets say helm 4x4 sword 1x3 |
| 14:21.58 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ring 1x1 |
| 14:22.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | like in d2 |
| 14:22.14 | Fredypimp | ok |
| 14:22.35 | Fredypimp | why dont you check how his is made and try to understand it |
| 14:22.39 | Fredypimp | so you could do the same |
| 14:25.47 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i did but its just confusing how it works |
| 14:25.56 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | some functions i want is missing |
| 14:26.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | like pick up when walk over or click on it |
| 14:26.17 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | custom click on it |
| 14:26.27 | Fredypimp | hmm |
| 14:26.34 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | sorta stuff what i need to do is contact helral about it if he will help |
| 14:26.41 | Fredypimp | then try to make then things thats missing :) |
| 14:28.38 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ill have t look more into it its just i dnt want to spend too much time i pushing for release you knw |
| 14:28.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i need to do spells aswell main issue is im doing this alne |
| 14:32.38 | Fredypimp | hm |
| 14:32.56 | Fredypimp | Maybe you should try to find somebody who could help you with that? |
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| 14:34.30 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i was thinkning of t |
| 14:34.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | it |
| 14:39.02 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | anyways i have to go if you want to talk to me fredy just pm me on the site same name or just look up A Rogue;s Story on the site anyways ttygl |
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| 14:48.57 | Ashamed | OMG |
| 14:49.11 | Ashamed | FF13-2 is trying to bring pokemon into the game >< |
| 14:57.29 | Xaragoth | anyone remember where you can change the speed of creep spreading on the map |
| 14:57.30 | Xaragoth | ? |
| 14:58.49 | Xaragoth | found it |
| 15:17.09 | A1win | changelogs! http://a1win.blogspot.com/2012/02/craftcraft-progress-report-4.html |
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| 16:11.54 | Ashamed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4 <-- Robot race one step closer to world domination. |
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| 17:13.31 | A1win | anyone wanna guide me with making an ability for goliath that shoots a missile barrage in a straight line starting from the target point o: |
| 17:14.29 | JanChris | if you could name your probs there |
| 17:15.21 | A1win | mainly what I need for setting up the periodic effects so that they are each offset properly |
| 17:15.52 | A1win | I assume I should be using Create Persistent? |
| 17:16.43 | JanChris | do you mean: You want to shoot 1 missile from the left side, short break, shoot 1 missile from the right side, short break ... and so on ? |
| 17:17.18 | A1win | yeah, and so that the first one hits the target point, 2nd one hits the point offset by a bit forward, and so on |
| 17:17.43 | A1win | but I think I know what to do, just looked at how flamethrowers are done and it seems quite clear |
| 17:18.23 | JanChris | hmmm ... I will take a look into the editor, if there is something similar |
| 17:18.40 | Vailreth | you may need to use two periodics and two launch misslies |
| 17:18.41 | A1win | no need, I'll ask again if I'm having trouble ;p |
| 17:18.55 | A1win | mmh |
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| 17:28.20 | JanChris | @alwin: I have not made this kind of actor effects ... but I know a unit, that uses this kind of effects: A artillery missile tank made from Builder_Bob |
| 17:29.43 | AlphA_VsT | rawr |
| 17:29.53 | JanChris | it is posted in the thread "Weekly Data Exercise #10" |
| 17:33.54 | Xaragoth | sc2, y u no go 30 fps? http://youtu.be/9e0hAphDS3E :/ |
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| 17:39.39 | AlphA_VsT | huh what 30 fps? |
| 17:41.32 | Xaragoth | recording only had 15 fps |
| 17:41.43 | Xaragoth | because sc2 eats hardware like it's some kind of candy |
| 17:41.56 | Xaragoth | anyways, gonna take a nap now :p |
| 17:43.01 | A1win | hmm... now it fires the missiles but they're fired from his feet and there's no explosion |
| 17:43.18 | A1win | damage works though o: |
| 17:43.52 | AlphA_VsT | sounds like you got some broken point referances :P |
| 17:44.35 | A1win | where are the points supposed to be defined? |
| 17:47.04 | AlphA_VsT | idono :P |
| 17:47.09 | AlphA_VsT | ive never done such things |
| 17:49.00 | A1win | mmh how do I make the ability channeled and interruptible? now it can just keep moving while it's firing the missiles |
| 17:49.42 | AlphA_VsT | its a flag i believe |
| 17:49.56 | JanChris | this is an ability ? Not a regular attack ? |
| 17:50.04 | A1win | yeah, ability |
| 17:51.27 | JanChris | for abilites the flag is called transient |
| 17:51.59 | A1win | isn't that what makes the ability instant so that it can be cast while doing other things? |
| 17:52.15 | JanChris | stats - flags - transient |
| 17:52.46 | Vailreth | you are right a1 if i recall correctly |
| 17:52.52 | JanChris | if you disable this flag, it should not be able to move |
| 17:52.56 | A1win | well that's what I've been using it for ;p |
| 17:53.11 | A1win | yeah but I need a cast time to begin with D: the flag is not on |
| 17:53.14 | Vailreth | no to make an ability channled you have to make the perioduc effect it uses channled |
| 17:53.22 | A1win | ah |
| 17:54.13 | A1win | k that worked |
| 17:54.24 | A1win | now to get the missiles to fire from the right attachment point D: |
| 17:55.04 | AlphA_VsT | yeah :P |
| 17:55.57 | Ashamed | i dunno i like the feet idea a1win |
| 17:56.02 | Ashamed | FEET GUNS |
| 17:56.04 | A1win | ;p |
| 17:56.52 | JanChris | do you have already a launch side actor ? |
| 17:57.00 | Vailreth | ah i think i was wrong about needing two diffrent persistents you just use AMPatternGoliath on the attack actor |
| 17:57.35 | AlphA_VsT | yay for custom values :D |
| 17:57.40 | Vailreth | i was still tired from sleeping and hadnt had breakfast yet so.... |
| 17:57.43 | A1win | mmh now it's firing all missiles from one battery but it's spamming errors that it can only create one ActionImpact per action O_o |
| 17:57.54 | A1win | *per effect |
| 17:58.08 | AlphA_VsT | ops |
| 17:58.28 | A1win | I tried copying the air attack actors but apparently I did something wrong ;p |
| 17:58.50 | Vailreth | likely just a bad refrence |
| 18:00.41 | Vailreth | spent nearly 8 hours maybe more redoing the UVW mapping for a unit ingame |
| 18:00.50 | Vailreth | and still need more to go |
| 18:00.59 | A1win | woo it works o: |
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| 18:01.25 | A1win | now I guess I need to duplicate it all to make it fire from both batteries |
| 18:01.31 | Vailreth | no |
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| 18:02.59 | A1win | no? o: |
| 18:03.08 | Vailreth | is it still using the Attachment: Launch Attachment Query - Methods AMPattern Goliath? |
| 18:03.35 | A1win | yeah |
| 18:03.46 | Vailreth | hm |
| 18:05.42 | AlphA_VsT | hmmmm |
| 18:05.43 | Vailreth | then maybe... |
| 18:05.53 | AlphA_VsT | then maybe it isnt the issue :P |
| 18:06.47 | AlphA_VsT | hehe |
| 18:06.49 | A1win | any way to make the barrage start from the goliath and offset each missile towards the target point instead of starting at the target point and offset forward? |
| 18:07.14 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 18:07.21 | AlphA_VsT | good job jade |
| 18:07.27 | Helral | whacks JademusSreg with an acme hammer |
| 18:07.41 | JademusSreg | has birds and stars circling his head. |
| 18:07.52 | Helral | adds bells to it. |
| 18:08.05 | A1win | nevermind figured that out |
| 18:08.06 | Helral | ;p |
| 18:15.39 | JanChris | got to go ... cya |
| 18:15.41 | A1win | Vailreth, any ideas or should I just use the duplicate effect way D: |
| 18:15.57 | Vailreth | id have to do some testing |
| 18:16.49 | JademusSreg | The Creation Kit preview video shows them writing the editor's Papyrus script in Notepad++. |
| 18:17.16 | JademusSreg | In the Twilight theme. |
| 18:18.51 | Ashamed | jade |
| 18:18.56 | Ashamed | you wont believe what they put in the new FF |
| 18:19.04 | JademusSreg | Peanut butter. |
| 18:19.08 | JademusSreg | Amirite? |
| 18:19.09 | Ashamed | close... |
| 18:19.18 | JademusSreg | Full frontal nudity? |
| 18:19.24 | Ashamed | oh i wish >< |
| 18:19.32 | Ashamed | you can now jump lol |
| 18:20.06 | JademusSreg | That's swell, by golly. |
| 18:20.17 | Ashamed | oh and i guess its like pokemon there are over 150 monsters you can catch... ( summon them to be your third party member ) |
| 18:20.23 | Ashamed | yeah i just thought it was funny |
| 18:20.26 | Ashamed | i was like wtf i am jumping |
| 18:20.39 | Ashamed | but over all its a huge ass bust like expected >< |
| 18:21.52 | AlphA_VsT | lol ashamed |
| 18:22.02 | AlphA_VsT | but you can jump... |
| 18:22.06 | Ashamed | but you can jump! |
| 18:22.19 | Ashamed | it took them only 20+ years to figure that one out |
| 18:22.30 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 18:22.40 | A1win | err... I set my period durations to 0.1, 0.2, 0.275, 0.350, 0.4, 0.45, 0.475, 0.5... but for some reason the time between them slows down towards the end instead of get faster ._o what am I missing |
| 18:22.44 | AlphA_VsT | but did they add it in for a reason> |
| 18:22.46 | JademusSreg | I am confident jumping in that game is as pointless as it was in Fable. |
| 18:22.54 | AlphA_VsT | or is it just a jump so you can jump... |
| 18:23.07 | Ashamed | lol alpha you know in ff where you had places where your character would auto jump? |
| 18:23.18 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 18:23.21 | Ashamed | its for that lol |
| 18:23.26 | Ashamed | now you just have to press jump |
| 18:23.26 | AlphA_VsT | no auto jump? |
| 18:23.29 | Ashamed | instead of it doing auto |
| 18:23.30 | Ashamed | LOL |
| 18:23.35 | Ashamed | but you have no control still |
| 18:23.46 | Ashamed | like once you hit jump all the animation would be the same as the auto jump from before |
| 18:24.13 | A1win | ...err |
| 18:24.17 | Ashamed | but you can also just sit there and jump up and down.. so you dont need the auto jump areas in order to jump.. but jumping without one of these is pointless |
| 18:24.27 | A1win | are the periods added to each other instead of happening at the same time :P |
| 18:24.45 | Ashamed | like you mean if its like a tripple jump? |
| 18:25.08 | A1win | I'm talking about my missile barrage |
| 18:25.15 | Ashamed | -.- oh |
| 18:25.28 | A1win | yeah nvm figured it out |
| 18:25.55 | JademusSreg | Tacking on a pointless jump to provide a small illusion of control is not good design. |
| 18:26.32 | AlphA_VsT | nope :D |
| 18:27.02 | JademusSreg | But then, Final Fantasy games are hardly the heralds of good design. |
| 18:27.17 | Ashamed | i was laughing at it for a reason jade -.- |
| 18:27.35 | Ashamed | they fucked up on the graphics too :( |
| 18:27.52 | Ashamed | every once in a while your character hair will get all fucked and pixalated and like their faces too |
| 18:28.27 | Ashamed | which is upsetting from enix |
| 18:28.41 | JademusSreg | Final Fantasy games are the career launcher in the Japanese games industry. People work on that game to get the production credit so they can get work elsewhere. |
| 18:28.57 | Ashamed | LOL |
| 18:29.36 | JademusSreg | That's not criticism, it's a true fact. =D |
| 18:29.42 | AlphA_VsT | really? |
| 18:30.24 | Ashamed | no that can't be true alpha most of their productions take 6-8 years lol |
| 18:30.43 | JademusSreg | Really. |
| 18:30.46 | Ashamed | unless its ff13 |
| 18:30.55 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 18:30.56 | Ashamed | ff13-2* |
| 18:30.57 | Ashamed | then its 2 years |
| 18:31.09 | Ashamed | yeah jade look at the dates between 12 and 13 |
| 18:31.43 | Ashamed | it was almost 4 years |
| 18:31.45 | JademusSreg | How is that relevant? |
| 18:31.57 | Ashamed | ...? |
| 18:32.18 | Ashamed | just saying if someone was just looking for experience i dont think they would choose a company that still takes forever for their productions |
| 18:32.32 | Ashamed | you can join a company that releases a new game every year |
| 18:33.30 | Vailreth | i can not say that a second effect chain would not fire from the same position |
| 18:33.43 | JademusSreg | You are mistaken. A company that releases a game every year isn't Final Fantasy; it's a big brand, looks good on a resume. |
| 18:34.14 | JademusSreg | But more importantly, I'm not just making it up, so there is no argument. I could find the article(s) I read if it came to it. |
| 18:35.00 | Ashamed | FIND EM |
| 18:35.38 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 18:37.34 | Daara | good morning nerds |
| 18:39.42 | JademusSreg | http://kotaku.com/5778294/is-making-final-fantasy-a-nightmare |
| 18:40.08 | Ashamed | mornen |
| 18:40.15 | Ashamed | i suppose... |
| 18:40.19 | Ashamed | i mean it is 12:00 PM almost |
| 18:40.53 | Daara | eh i just woke up |
| 18:40.56 | Daara | it's morning to me |
| 18:41.26 | Ashamed | Jade that article says nothing that you were saying |
| 18:41.39 | Ashamed | this is just saying ff13 was crap and it made alot of big guys and square enix quit |
| 18:41.43 | Ashamed | and go onto a new company |
| 18:41.49 | JademusSreg | Wrong one. |
| 18:42.21 | JademusSreg | I have to look through thousands of articles here. |
| 18:42.33 | Ashamed | but that article makes sense |
| 18:42.44 | Ashamed | i can see that in their games.. they are most def dying |
| 18:42.56 | Ashamed | and i dont think the big producers have admitted it to themselves yet |
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| 18:44.35 | Daara | i haven't played a final fanstasy that i didn't like |
| 18:44.44 | Daara | although the last one i played i never finished |
| 18:44.46 | JademusSreg | I've only played one I did like. |
| 18:44.51 | Ashamed | but the funny thing about the new final fantasy is i feel like the sales are still there.. its just the old players that played all the final fantasy that are not liking them.. I feel like they are picking up a new fan base |
| 18:44.58 | Daara | the only reason i didn't finish it |
| 18:45.04 | Daara | because our ps3 got stolen |
| 18:45.21 | Daara | some jackass stole it from my roomies room when we had a house party on halloween |
| 18:45.36 | Ashamed | daara i feel the same way.. Like even if the game doesn't work very well.. they have a good way to write stories and it keeps me into the game |
| 18:45.53 | Ashamed | i hardly beat any games now adays just because i dont have time and i get bored way before i get to the end |
| 18:45.53 | Daara | i kind wish they would stick with a story sometimes |
| 18:46.01 | Ashamed | when i play FF i still finish every single one |
| 18:46.13 | JademusSreg | I am amused that FF fans can turn around and criticize, say, Activision for cranking out sequels. |
| 18:46.15 | Ashamed | well this ff13 is suppose to be a 3 part story |
| 18:46.32 | Daara | ff3 or 5 whatever you wanna call |
| 18:46.35 | Daara | was my favorite |
| 18:46.48 | Daara | good ole snes |
| 18:47.41 | Daara | too many whiney nerds imo |
| 18:47.53 | Ashamed | we just had the most shortest disapointing fire alarm ever >< |
| 18:48.02 | Daara | lol |
| 18:48.19 | Ashamed | i was ready to go outside and take a 10 minute break |
| 18:48.31 | Daara | i miss that happening during class |
| 18:49.06 | Daara | i use to leave school an hour early anyway |
| 18:49.12 | Ashamed | lol |
| 18:49.13 | Daara | and get there 20-30 mins late in the morning |
| 18:49.18 | JademusSreg | But anyway, I haven't liked any Final Fantasy game besides Final Fantasy Tactics. Pretty much every other Final Fantasy game 7 and onward have been cinematically obsessed angst-masturbating epileptic-seizure-inducing number-vomitting circuses full of androgynous characters and their stale, single-dimensional performances. |
| 18:49.41 | Ashamed | Jade its a RPG still |
| 18:49.57 | Deaod | and that excuses anything? |
| 18:50.08 | Ashamed | ROLE - PLAYING... the entire purpose of the game is to bring the characters to a personal lvl |
| 18:50.12 | Daara | you have to admit their cinematics were pretty badass starting with ff x |
| 18:50.21 | Ashamed | and then they take them out :( |
| 18:50.39 | Ashamed | ff13-2 has next to no cinematics :( its all in game rendering |
| 18:50.47 | Daara | ew |
| 18:50.50 | JademusSreg | Rule 1: Most everything is shit. |
| 18:51.19 | Ashamed | yeah daara I feel like its the biggest disapointment they have done |
| 18:51.28 | Daara | i didn't like it in sc2 either |
| 18:51.41 | Daara | although there were some pretty good cutscenes |
| 18:52.22 | AlphA_VsT | i liked FF9 |
| 18:52.23 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 18:52.42 | Ashamed | i never beat 9 >< |
| 18:52.57 | AlphA_VsT | i just loved vivi :D |
| 18:53.00 | Daara | like the one where raynor saves warfield |
| 18:53.02 | JademusSreg | I can point out things I liked from each game. But they're all still mostly terrible. |
| 18:53.08 | Ashamed | alot of people don't agree with me.. but i fucking loved X |
| 18:53.08 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Vivi is cute as fuck. |
| 18:53.13 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 18:53.16 | AlphA_VsT | yeah he is |
| 18:53.34 | JademusSreg | X had Sin, and Sin is a great concept. |
| 18:53.51 | Ashamed | i want to start cathcing pokemon... errrg i mean monsters and test that system out |
| 18:54.02 | AlphA_VsT | him and Steiner where awesome |
| 18:54.11 | Daara | uh boys....the natives are getting restless |
| 18:54.20 | JademusSreg | I mean, wouldn't it be awesome that, if during combat with someone, they cut off your finger and that finger became autonomous and attacked the enemy combatant? |
| 18:54.29 | Ashamed | jade |
| 18:54.33 | Ashamed | they kinda did that in 13-2 |
| 18:54.40 | JademusSreg | Naw, fuck that. |
| 18:54.40 | Ashamed | they have a system where some bosses can make you bleed out |
| 18:54.46 | Ashamed | and you can't heal anymore |
| 18:54.51 | Ashamed | it actually kills part of your max HP |
| 18:55.03 | Daara | jade |
| 18:55.04 | JademusSreg | That's nothing like what I said. Haha |
| 18:55.08 | Daara | have you played vindictus? |
| 18:55.09 | Ashamed | it kinda is ;) |
| 18:55.18 | Ashamed | you can't just heal/potion on every fight now |
| 18:55.50 | Ashamed | oh and there are random cinimatic cut scenes in the middle of fights |
| 18:55.59 | Ashamed | where your character will run up a fucker and start slicing him |
| 18:56.08 | JademusSreg | I mean that Sin was made of monsters. This is the most awesome antagonist in FF. I'd love ot be made of monsters. Merely sneezing could be a lethal weapon. |
| 18:56.15 | Ashamed | so its not just the attacking.. they have added new elements to the battles |
| 18:57.04 | AlphA_VsT | lol jade |
| 18:57.10 | Ashamed | the main bad guy in this one turned into a bahument |
| 18:57.19 | Ashamed | ... so kinda like that >< |
| 18:57.46 | Ashamed | but i am only 30 minutes into the game so i dont know much |
| 18:57.49 | Ashamed | just waht i have read really |
| 18:58.24 | Daara | what do they call them in ff13? |
| 18:58.32 | Daara | i always called them espers |
| 18:58.35 | Daara | after ff3 lol |
| 18:58.39 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Final Fantasy games are mostly bad. And usually the only good parts of the bad games isn't the gameplay. If I want to sit through 60 hours of bad cinematics, I'll go watch a The Room marathon. |
| 18:58.55 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:59.05 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 19:03.56 | AlphA_VsT | yeah the gameplay can be lacking, over the years they have always tried to do something to make it better :P but they never improve they always change |
| 19:04.25 | Ashamed | yeah they add new shit and they are like its differnt and then you play it and you go square enix i wish you didnt change a thing |
| 19:04.26 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:04.37 | AlphA_VsT | pretty much |
| 19:05.07 | Ashamed | and then the next game comes out and they go we realized you didnt like this this and this... so we took it out and added this this and this |
| 19:05.17 | Ashamed | and you are like NOOOOOOOO why did you add new stuff! |
| 19:06.20 | Daara | you have to relean the game every time |
| 19:06.23 | Daara | learn* |
| 19:06.42 | AlphA_VsT | yeah pretty bad design |
| 19:06.57 | Daara | i think they should stop listening to the whiney nerds |
| 19:07.02 | Daara | and keep with a combat system they like |
| 19:07.48 | Daara | i respect them for listening to the nerds though, because sometimes players have better ideas the developers because they sit there and play the game all day |
| 19:08.26 | JademusSreg | "Like" makes it seem personal, and ideas can't be personal, especially in big projects. Bad ideas go in the garbage. |
| 19:08.34 | AlphA_VsT | yeah but they are not always right |
| 19:10.29 | A1win | right about what? |
| 19:10.44 | A1win | that they'd end up not liking it after all? |
| 19:11.38 | JademusSreg | Like and dislike aren't good positions for arguments, either. It reduces to a subjective appraisal of what merits technical analysis, with regards to gameplay mechanics, aesthetics, and the whole of design. |
| 19:11.50 | Vailreth | A1 still need that goliath Line Barrage ability? |
| 19:12.09 | A1win | yeah, it's otherwise ready but just need to fire every 2nd missile from the other battery |
| 19:12.25 | Ashamed | yeah i feel like sometimes they will have the best combat system but then change it and ruin it :( |
| 19:12.38 | Ashamed | FFX i loved the lvl system |
| 19:12.47 | Ashamed | and they have yet to create such an open lvl system |
| 19:12.50 | Daara | i'm having a hard time remembering specific ones lol |
| 19:12.52 | Ashamed | since then |
| 19:12.56 | Vailreth | yeah i was right to achieve that effect you need two create persistents two missile launch effects and two attack actors... |
| 19:12.57 | AlphA_VsT | saame |
| 19:13.01 | JademusSreg | Progress system. |
| 19:13.09 | Ashamed | ffx had that big grid where everyone started at differnt locations but could learn everything |
| 19:13.10 | Vailreth | the two presistents are in a set |
| 19:13.18 | AlphA_VsT | oh yeah |
| 19:13.19 | Daara | ah yea |
| 19:13.31 | Ashamed | i loved that system |
| 19:13.35 | Daara | yea me too |
| 19:13.35 | AlphA_VsT | that was pretty neat :D |
| 19:13.45 | Ashamed | because you could go the normal route and just create the characters as desinged |
| 19:13.51 | Ashamed | or change everyone up |
| 19:13.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Fredypimp (18cb6bdf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.203.107.223) |
| 19:14.00 | Daara | that's they way i feel every game should be |
| 19:14.00 | Ashamed | like i had a game where yuna was my Black mage |
| 19:14.08 | Daara | you shouldn't have to do what they wanted you to do |
| 19:14.08 | Fredypimp | Hey guys |
| 19:14.12 | Daara | you should be able to choose |
| 19:14.15 | Ashamed | and luna was my white |
| 19:14.19 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 19:14.30 | Daara | that's why i don't like classes in mmos |
| 19:14.30 | Ashamed | lulu* |
| 19:14.48 | Daara | i feel the player should get to pick and choose how they want their character |
| 19:14.57 | Daara | and if it sucks they can just change it |
| 19:14.58 | Ashamed | yeah 13 only has 6 classes the new one is completly open so you can choose which one to learn so its a bit better |
| 19:15.15 | Ashamed | but i still feel like its straight forward still |
| 19:15.42 | Daara | i want mmos to be like heavenly swordish |
| 19:16.08 | Ashamed | yeah daara me too |
| 19:16.15 | Ashamed | i feel like MMOS should be OPEN |
| 19:16.21 | Daara | yea |
| 19:16.29 | Daara | i would love to actually have an army at my side |
| 19:16.30 | Ashamed | i should be able to own some fucking noob because they don't know how to combine skills |
| 19:16.41 | Daara | rather than kill 5 guys, move up kill 5 guys, move up kill boss |
| 19:16.59 | Daara | my idea of a "boss" fight |
| 19:17.03 | Ashamed | ff11 class system was great for anyone who tried that |
| 19:17.05 | Daara | is a whole fucking army at his side |
| 19:17.09 | Daara | and fighting through it |
| 19:17.15 | Daara | while he's raping ppl with spells etc. |
| 19:17.44 | Daara | and if you don't avoid the spells are abilties via dodging or blocking you die |
| 19:17.49 | Daara | or get the shit kicked out of you |
| 19:19.10 | Ashamed | yeah i have been playing starwars |
| 19:19.15 | Ashamed | its fun but its like every other MMO |
| 19:19.17 | Daara | yep |
| 19:19.28 | Daara | i haven't played it yet because my friends all have it |
| 19:19.31 | Daara | they are saying its just like WoW |
| 19:19.38 | Daara | don't get me wrong, i like wow |
| 19:19.40 | Daara | and still play it |
| 19:19.43 | Ashamed | i have heard end game is much differnt |
| 19:19.46 | Daara | but it's time for something new |
| 19:19.58 | Daara | i would suggest trying out vindictus |
| 19:20.05 | Ashamed | FF11 was the best mmo i have played to date |
| 19:20.12 | Daara | the combat system in that mmo was pretty cool |
| 19:20.14 | Ashamed | i loved how you could play evvery class and combine each of them |
| 19:20.29 | Ashamed | it gave you like over 500 combos of classes or so |
| 19:20.31 | Daara | i don't think ppl should be tethered to the idea of a single class |
| 19:20.46 | Daara | if you want to be an archer who can heal |
| 19:20.47 | Daara | do it |
| 19:20.51 | Ashamed | rift class system actually worked very well too |
| 19:20.56 | Daara | it did |
| 19:20.57 | Daara | until |
| 19:21.02 | Daara | you got into raiding |
| 19:21.06 | Daara | and harder dungeons |
| 19:21.07 | Ashamed | i didnt get that far >< |
| 19:21.14 | Daara | it was really cool to start out |
| 19:21.15 | Ashamed | i played it for the 30 day trial and neve rplayed it again lol |
| 19:21.28 | Daara | but in order to progress in any content you needed to be certain specs |
| 19:21.46 | Ashamed | so it made it so you couldn't make your own shit |
| 19:21.49 | Daara | yep |
| 19:21.52 | Ashamed | you still had to follow a basic guide line |
| 19:21.55 | Daara | yea |
| 19:22.04 | Daara | which sucked |
| 19:22.16 | Daara | because i really liked the talent system until that point |
| 19:22.36 | Ashamed | yeah i enjoyed it too |
| 19:22.43 | Ashamed | it was alot more open then ost |
| 19:22.56 | Ashamed | they need to create a mmo that gives you stats and everything each lvl |
| 19:23.04 | Ashamed | and each lvl you can choose where your stats go |
| 19:23.16 | Daara | the only problem with that |
| 19:23.22 | Daara | is that you would need a way to reset that |
| 19:23.23 | Ashamed | is noobs ;) |
| 19:23.30 | Ashamed | yes there will be a reset |
| 19:23.38 | Daara | incase someone was like herp i want all stamina or something |
| 19:23.39 | AlphA_VsT | no reset |
| 19:23.43 | Ashamed | i wouldn't create a mmo that didn't give you a chance to reset your specs |
| 19:23.45 | Daara | then having to reroll the character because it sucks |
| 19:23.51 | Ashamed | yeah exactly daara |
| 19:24.05 | Daara | i would put restrictions on it though |
| 19:24.06 | AlphA_VsT | thats your fault |
| 19:24.11 | Daara | like you can only do it every so often |
| 19:24.17 | Ashamed | spec resets are fine in my book becuase you need to learn |
| 19:24.33 | Daara | especially in a game that pretty much lets you be what you want |
| 19:24.46 | Daara | otherwise no one would make more than 1 character |
| 19:24.52 | Daara | or very few would |
| 19:25.11 | Ashamed | alpha the problem with not giving an option with a reset.. it will cause the people that can think outside the box.. not too because they dont want to waste their time trying to figure out a system that works all on their own... |
| 19:25.26 | Ashamed | Thats how ff11 was you only had one character |
| 19:25.27 | Ashamed | and i loved it |
| 19:25.37 | Daara | when i think of stat placement |
| 19:25.39 | Daara | i think of d2 |
| 19:25.45 | Daara | and leveling as a sorc |
| 19:25.50 | Daara | putting all my shit into energy |
| 19:25.55 | Ashamed | yep exactly |
| 19:25.59 | Daara | and then not having enough strength to put on armor |
| 19:26.04 | Daara | and going....FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 19:26.08 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:26.13 | Ashamed | but i would just like the option |
| 19:26.21 | Ashamed | in an mmo where you have tanks and shit |
| 19:26.27 | Ashamed | you should be able to make a risky move like that |
| 19:26.36 | Daara | yea |
| 19:26.43 | Daara | i don't think i would do a leveling system either |
| 19:26.58 | Ashamed | so kinda like ff14 >< |
| 19:27.03 | Daara | i would probably award points and talents based on completing quests |
| 19:27.04 | Ashamed | there is no lvl system in that game |
| 19:27.13 | Daara | or killing bosses |
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| 19:27.20 | Ashamed | in ff14 if you pick up a axe you become a warrior |
| 19:27.26 | Daara | so there would be a sense of progression |
| 19:27.26 | Ashamed | if you pick up a great sword you are a knight or w/e |
| 19:27.39 | Ashamed | so your class cahnges depending on what equiment you use |
| 19:27.46 | Ashamed | you then have to skill up that equiment |
| 19:27.57 | Daara | i think all armor and gear shouldn't get better either |
| 19:28.05 | Ashamed | and you can also lvl up certain things enough where you can use a few skills from the other classes and combine them for one class |
| 19:28.05 | Daara | other than enhancing it |
| 19:28.21 | Daara | like putting enchantments to fortify it's bonus' |
| 19:28.45 | Ashamed | i suggest you guys check out ff14... i feel like they had the right idea they just didnt do it right lol |
| 19:28.52 | Ashamed | but its free to play because of it |
| 19:28.53 | Daara | haha |
| 19:29.21 | Ashamed | yeah alot of people do not know that final fantasy 14 has been free to play since release |
| 19:29.42 | Daara | i want a talent system that will end up determining what class you are |
| 19:29.55 | Ashamed | that is the type of RPG i am trying to create for sc2 |
| 19:30.03 | AlphA_VsT | wait what |
| 19:30.04 | Daara | if you wanted to mix a one handed weapon build and a defense with a shield build |
| 19:30.05 | Ashamed | that is exactly what i want daara |
| 19:30.06 | Daara | you'd be a warrior |
| 19:30.08 | AlphA_VsT | FF14 is ftp? |
| 19:30.14 | Ashamed | yrah alpha ;) |
| 19:30.17 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:30.22 | AlphA_VsT | i love free games |
| 19:30.22 | Ashamed | they say once they make it "better" |
| 19:30.29 | Ashamed | it will go to pay |
| 19:30.35 | Ashamed | but they said that like 2 years ago |
| 19:30.38 | Daara | yea... |
| 19:30.39 | Ashamed | and it still is free |
| 19:30.43 | Daara | games that go from free |
| 19:30.48 | Daara | to paid |
| 19:30.49 | Daara | fail |
| 19:31.02 | Daara | i use to play a game called infantry |
| 19:31.07 | AlphA_VsT | OMG |
| 19:31.08 | Daara | it was a top down shooter run by sony |
| 19:31.14 | AlphA_VsT | I LOVED THAT GAME |
| 19:31.18 | Daara | and when they went from free to play |
| 19:31.22 | Daara | to p2p |
| 19:31.24 | AlphA_VsT | I played the shit out of it |
| 19:31.29 | Daara | like 75% of the player base quit |
| 19:31.34 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:31.39 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 19:31.43 | Ashamed | that is great |
| 19:31.49 | AlphA_VsT | that was a sad day |
| 19:31.51 | Daara | what was your favorite map alpha? |
| 19:31.51 | Ashamed | people are like wtf are you talking about you just gave it to us for free |
| 19:31.56 | Ashamed | and they were like but we updated it... |
| 19:32.06 | AlphA_VsT | they didnt update it |
| 19:32.11 | Ashamed | even better |
| 19:32.11 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:32.15 | Daara | i loved ctfx |
| 19:32.17 | Vailreth | any one know if an attributed applied during runtime remains with the unit after reviving? |
| 19:32.19 | Daara | twin peaks |
| 19:32.23 | Daara | heinrichs point |
| 19:32.27 | Daara | and i was a god in eol |
| 19:32.31 | AlphA_VsT | I played a lot of ctf |
| 19:33.02 | Daara | if you played eol you would know the name Stormlegacy-- |
| 19:33.15 | Daara | i use to run around with 30k bty's all day |
| 19:33.23 | AlphA_VsT | I dont even remember |
| 19:33.54 | Daara | that game was so fun |
| 19:33.54 | AlphA_VsT | I only played a few months before it was cahnged over |
| 19:34.01 | Daara | ah |
| 19:34.21 | Daara | i started playing a few months before eol came out |
| 19:34.25 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.soe.com/casualProduct.vm?Id=039 |
| 19:34.40 | Daara | yea it's free again |
| 19:34.44 | Daara | but hardly anyone plays |
| 19:34.57 | Daara | i was so sad when i went in |
| 19:35.04 | Daara | and all the stats had been reset |
| 19:35.11 | Daara | and i was no longer in the top 10 :( |
| 19:35.46 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:35.57 | Ashamed | well i am 28 in starwars |
| 19:35.59 | Ashamed | so ha |
| 19:36.06 | Ashamed | and i am a fucking evil jedi |
| 19:36.13 | Daara | did you hear about the guy from megaupload? |
| 19:36.18 | Ashamed | oh yeah |
| 19:36.20 | Daara | he was like a mw3 pro |
| 19:36.22 | Ashamed | he was a top COD player |
| 19:36.22 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:36.30 | Daara | pretty funny |
| 19:36.45 | Fredypimp | Guys, anybody knows how much time it habitually takes for a project to be approved on sc2mapster? |
| 19:36.51 | Ashamed | hes like but i can't ownz me some noobs in prison QQ |
| 19:36.53 | Daara | usually not too long fredy |
| 19:37.00 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:37.01 | Daara | he shouldn't have been arrested |
| 19:37.06 | Daara | none of them should have |
| 19:37.16 | Ashamed | :( i hate america |
| 19:37.20 | Daara | i don't understand how anyone can expect them to moniter millions of uploads |
| 19:37.23 | Daara | MILLIONS |
| 19:37.28 | Daara | maybe even BILLIONS |
| 19:37.47 | Ashamed | did you see the last excuse they said |
| 19:37.50 | Daara | no |
| 19:37.52 | Ashamed | they were like its not even the copyright |
| 19:37.55 | Ashamed | we found some child porn |
| 19:37.56 | Daara | i stopped reading cause it pissed me off |
| 19:37.58 | Ashamed | and its like stfu |
| 19:37.59 | Daara | oh come |
| 19:38.01 | Daara | on |
| 19:38.02 | Daara | wtf |
| 19:38.21 | Daara | that's absolute bull shit |
| 19:38.22 | Ashamed | you know how they fucked themselves right? |
| 19:38.31 | Daara | i can't wait until our generation is leading this shit hole |
| 19:38.36 | Ashamed | i guess they had some company that did some server support for them |
| 19:38.42 | Ashamed | and one of the servers were in arizona |
| 19:38.51 | Ashamed | that is what gave the US the right to take themd own |
| 19:39.04 | Daara | get these old homophobic uneducated bigots out of office |
| 19:39.11 | Ashamed | fucking idiots should of made sure all of them servers were in china |
| 19:39.21 | Ashamed | ^ i agree Daara |
| 19:39.22 | Daara | well you can't blame them for doing that |
| 19:39.27 | Ashamed | they have just been bread to think one way |
| 19:39.28 | Daara | it's about the users |
| 19:39.29 | Daara | not them |
| 19:39.29 | Ashamed | and they wotn change |
| 19:39.37 | Daara | faster dl speeds |
| 19:39.50 | Ashamed | i can't even talk to my family anymore |
| 19:40.01 | Ashamed | because its to the point where i think tehy are all complete idiots lol |
| 19:40.02 | Daara | i'm glad my family didn't freak out on me |
| 19:40.28 | Daara | but i know just how some of these other people are |
| 19:40.28 | JademusSreg | Get those old homophobic bigots out of office and, odds are, younger homophobic bigots will take their place. |
| 19:40.38 | Daara | likely jade |
| 19:40.40 | Ashamed | lol jade |
| 19:40.41 | Daara | but there's hope! |
| 19:40.51 | Fredypimp | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/squadbattle/ |
| 19:41.09 | Daara | we need more liberals in office |
| 19:41.18 | Daara | we dabble in so much shit that shouldn't even be our business |
| 19:41.21 | Ashamed | but daara its a sin to be gay |
| 19:41.33 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:41.42 | Daara | tell that to the 500 animal species that also do it |
| 19:41.49 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:41.53 | Ashamed | and i rather enjoy being able to stick my penis in every vagina in teh world! and being able to get teh FAGS |
| 19:42.18 | Ashamed | do note i am being sarcastic |
| 19:42.21 | Daara | to be honest there was a point |
| 19:42.23 | Daara | where i cared |
| 19:42.29 | Daara | about how women were treated in other countries |
| 19:42.35 | AlphA_VsT | OMG |
| 19:42.36 | Daara | but then i realize |
| 19:42.38 | Daara | we can't change them |
| 19:42.40 | AlphA_VsT | how dare you |
| 19:42.55 | Daara | if they want to be uneducated savages |
| 19:42.59 | Daara | they are going to be that way |
| 19:43.02 | Ashamed | yep |
| 19:43.13 | Ashamed | but we still will waste all of our tax dollars trying to change em |
| 19:43.27 | Daara | the only way we could help them and not be wasting our time and money |
| 19:43.27 | Ashamed | it has not changed in the last 60 years |
| 19:43.30 | Ashamed | i dont seeit changing |
| 19:43.30 | Daara | IS TO FORCE THEM |
| 19:43.51 | Daara | it's best for us to just let it work itself out |
| 19:43.58 | Ashamed | i know the mid-east turned to korea |
| 19:44.15 | Ashamed | like you would think we would of learned but we didnt |
| 19:44.27 | Daara | egypt is probably the best bet for change in the middle east |
| 19:44.35 | Daara | we haven't fucked with their affairs much |
| 19:44.37 | Ashamed | because they are doing that shit themselves |
| 19:44.42 | Daara | exactly |
| 19:44.50 | Vailreth | oooh what about the ability to switch attributes on the fl? |
| 19:44.53 | Vailreth | fly* |
| 19:45.18 | Daara | that's why i support ron paul, he doesn't give a fuck about them |
| 19:45.26 | Daara | worry about our problems |
| 19:45.29 | Daara | not the rest of the worlds |
| 19:45.33 | Ashamed | lol who doesn't support ron paul |
| 19:45.45 | Daara | conservative christians |
| 19:45.49 | JademusSreg | He's an old homophobic bigoted Christian fundamentalist. |
| 19:45.50 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:45.55 | Daara | yes he is jade |
| 19:46.04 | Daara | but he's the best choice |
| 19:46.09 | JademusSreg | That's idiotic. |
| 19:46.22 | Daara | he cares more about our countries well being than the other people |
| 19:46.25 | Ashamed | i feel like he is reaching a bit to high |
| 19:46.34 | Daara | NOT AS HIGH AS THE MOON! |
| 19:46.35 | Ashamed | but he is better then mitt |
| 19:46.38 | JademusSreg | "Do you want to drink this glass of urine or this glass of urine with -lemon-?" |
| 19:46.40 | Daara | WOOT NEWT GINGRICH! |
| 19:46.42 | JademusSreg | Neither, fuck you. |
| 19:47.01 | Daara | hey know |
| 19:47.05 | Daara | i can stand by newt |
| 19:47.07 | Daara | if i do |
| 19:47.11 | Daara | we'll have a moon base in 8 years |
| 19:47.12 | Deaod | btw, can someone explain to me why ron paul is so popular? |
| 19:47.18 | Daara | and it will be american! |
| 19:47.24 | Daara | and it can become a state! |
| 19:47.32 | Daara | god.....he's so dumb |
| 19:47.34 | JademusSreg | Because people aren't well informed on Ron Paul beyond his talking points. |
| 19:47.56 | Daara | he's from texas |
| 19:48.03 | Daara | ofcourse he's a bigoted christian fundamentalist |
| 19:48.10 | Daara | that's all you get out of texas |
| 19:48.12 | Deaod | but even his talking points are dumb |
| 19:48.18 | Daara | how so? |
| 19:48.23 | JademusSreg | Ron Paul is the guy young conservative girls sleep with to rebel against their parents. |
| 19:49.02 | Daara | i don't think we should be helping people accross the world until they fucking get on their knees and start sucking |
| 19:49.14 | Daara | i think that's what he's suggesting we do |
| 19:49.53 | Daara | ever since ww2 we've been acting like the police of the world |
| 19:50.06 | Ashamed | jade the thign is ron paul may be a christians |
| 19:50.13 | JademusSreg | Just like in that documentary. |
| 19:50.14 | Ashamed | but he still believes in alot of liberal points |
| 19:50.23 | JademusSreg | Team America: World Police. |
| 19:50.24 | Ashamed | that you wouldn't see any of the other GOP party touch with a stick |
| 19:50.27 | Daara | he has to argue that he's conservative |
| 19:50.31 | Daara | which is funny |
| 19:50.50 | JademusSreg | I don't give a fuck. It's still a glass full of piss I'm not drinking. |
| 19:50.57 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:51.05 | Ashamed | how do you feel about what obama is doing? |
| 19:51.19 | Daara | he's not doing shit, but no one is helping him either |
| 19:51.23 | JademusSreg | Turgid week old dump in an outhouse. |
| 19:51.30 | Daara | LOL |
| 19:51.38 | Daara | jade |
| 19:51.40 | Daara | run for office |
| 19:51.47 | Daara | and start using those insults |
| 19:51.49 | Daara | plz |
| 19:52.09 | JademusSreg | I can't afford to campaign. Such is the nature of the beast. |
| 19:52.15 | Daara | yea |
| 19:52.17 | Ashamed | ^ which is stupid |
| 19:52.31 | Ashamed | i feel like our funding to president campains is fuckign stupid |
| 19:52.34 | Daara | campaigns should have a limit on how much people can spend |
| 19:52.38 | Ashamed | yep |
| 19:52.42 | Ashamed | daara not even a limit |
| 19:52.47 | Ashamed | everyone should get the same ammount |
| 19:52.53 | Daara | yea |
| 19:53.06 | Daara | that way maybe the common person can run |
| 19:53.09 | Daara | and stand a chance |
| 19:53.13 | Ashamed | yep exactly |
| 19:53.16 | Daara | rather than only rich old white men |
| 19:53.20 | Ashamed | we want to get rid of these fucking rich ass snobby people |
| 19:53.22 | Daara | and crazy white bitches |
| 19:53.30 | AlphA_VsT | fuck yeah |
| 19:53.31 | Ashamed | but the only way to become a president is to either ally with the rich ass snobby people |
| 19:53.33 | Ashamed | or be one |
| 19:54.13 | Ashamed | i feel like if we made that change.. things would change in this country instantly |
| 19:54.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, presidents are interchangable figureheads, they are the idols burned at the altar of the american myth of perpetual prosperity, a race of wickermen sacrificed before the next harvest. The function is that of a superstition, to perpetuate an illusion. |
| 19:54.17 | Ashamed | just by changing that |
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| 19:55.25 | Daara | the problem with it now |
| 19:55.34 | Daara | is that every elected official now |
| 19:55.38 | Daara | is there to keep things the same |
| 19:55.48 | Daara | they don't want to change things |
| 19:55.58 | Daara | because it's beneficial to them |
| 19:55.59 | Daara | to keep it the same |
| 19:56.10 | Ashamed | YEP |
| 19:56.15 | Daara | especially since most of them are involved in so much insider trading and come out even richer than before |
| 19:56.37 | Ashamed | and then guys like MITT come up and say they will change shit |
| 19:56.42 | Daara | lol |
| 19:56.47 | Ashamed | and then you look at their finance and go but the system is helping you out ALOT |
| 19:56.48 | Daara | yea the guy who makes 26 million a year |
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| 19:57.11 | Ashamed | and he is like yeah i know.. right now i get taxed 15% but ima raise that to 30% trust me |
| 19:57.30 | Daara | i don't know why but that just reminded me of tim tebow |
| 19:57.39 | Daara | i want to see how much of his money he earns in the NFL goes to charity |
| 19:57.56 | Daara | if he's such a caring christian i better see like 80% of it going to charity |
| 20:02.09 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:09.44 | Ashamed | well going to courte |
| 20:09.49 | Ashamed | to go get hammered by the man >< |
| 20:09.58 | Daara | JademusSreg: do you know much about dropping issues from staying lobbies too long? |
| 20:10.03 | Ashamed | i got my first ticket in my entire life in novemebr |
| 20:10.10 | Daara | that sucks :( |
| 20:10.14 | Ashamed | and my state thinks its ok to put me on probation for it |
| 20:10.15 | Ashamed | >< |
| 20:10.27 | Daara | my only tickets i've gotten were when i was eating and driving |
| 20:10.28 | Ashamed | its a traffic ticket as well |
| 20:10.30 | Daara | and wasn't looking for cops |
| 20:10.36 | Vailreth | well i just completely ripped out the attribute functions in my mod |
| 20:10.47 | Ashamed | cya guys tomorrow |
| 20:10.51 | Daara | later |
| 20:10.55 | Vailreth | lwter |
| 20:10.58 | Vailreth | later |
| 20:11.39 | Daara | Trying to decide what to do next. |
| 20:11.53 | Daara | I don't know if i can fix the dropping issue. |
| 20:12.02 | Daara | Sounds like it's a b.net problem |
| 20:12.13 | Daara | If you stay in the lobby too longer players get dropped. |
| 20:12.21 | Vailreth | yeah its a known issue that dependencies cause drops that way |
| 20:12.34 | Daara | doesn't make any sense why it would |
| 20:12.54 | Vailreth | no clue |
| 20:13.09 | Daara | i hope blizzard can fix it |
| 20:13.15 | Vailreth | maybe there is a bug in the code that stacks up after awhile |
| 20:13.27 | Vailreth | i dobut they will unless it effects their own maps |
| 20:13.48 | Daara | we'll see |
| 20:14.09 | Daara | the biggest problem isn't that though |
| 20:14.18 | Daara | its that when someone gets dropped my whole selection system bugs out |
| 20:14.26 | Vailreth | hm |
| 20:14.27 | Daara | and no one gets anything |
| 20:14.50 | Vailreth | you may need to redo it so its independant of players being there |
| 20:15.14 | Fredypimp | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/squadbattle/ |
| 20:15.34 | Daara | mine hasn't been approved yet either fredy |
| 20:15.38 | Daara | and i did it last night |
| 20:15.39 | A1win | I have active players stored in a variable, and when the map starts, I loop through Active players and only add players whose state == Playing to the variable group |
| 20:15.40 | Daara | dont' worry |
| 20:15.43 | Daara | they'll get aroudn to it |
| 20:15.48 | Fredypimp | :( |
| 20:15.48 | Fredypimp | ok |
| 20:16.03 | Daara | a mod actually has to individually approve them |
| 20:16.22 | Daara | i think i'll just delay the start a few seconds |
| 20:16.42 | Daara | that way it won't start until everyone who was dropped isn't added to it |
| 20:17.03 | Daara | the only other problem would be people leaving DURING the selection |
| 20:17.18 | Vailreth | daara you may want to make blizz do less damage to structures right now two blizzard casts capture most structures with little help |
| 20:17.20 | A1win | it's the same problem, fix it in the same way ;p |
| 20:17.41 | Daara | i'll look into it |
| 20:17.56 | Daara | i need to buff heroes quite a bit |
| 20:18.10 | Daara | they become nearly useless at the end |
| 20:18.17 | Daara | probably make them scale a lot better |
| 20:18.22 | Vailreth | hm |
| 20:19.02 | Daara | i think i can fix that by just increasing the stats they get per level |
| 20:19.29 | Daara | because i have put in spell damage scaling with their main stat |
| 20:20.35 | Daara | i'll be putting in upgrades to increase building health/armor as well |
| 20:20.56 | Daara | i don't know how that'll work with a capturing system though |
| 20:21.03 | Daara | will it switch upgrade levels based on who owns it? |
| 20:21.38 | Fredypimp | I think it should |
| 20:21.53 | A1win | mm upgrades are tied to player, not units |
| 20:22.04 | Fredypimp | OR, make it upgrade by 1 level per upgrade and adds it to the current level |
| 20:22.08 | Daara | k |
| 20:22.10 | Daara | that's good |
| 20:22.21 | Vailreth | uprgades work by unit ownder not controller |
| 20:22.28 | Fredypimp | hmm |
| 20:22.40 | A1win | use behaviors if you want them to transfer from a player to another |
| 20:22.47 | Vailreth | no |
| 20:22.57 | Daara | i want it to based on who actually owns it |
| 20:23.01 | Daara | i think i have it changing ownership |
| 20:23.07 | Vailreth | that only effects the contriller |
| 20:23.14 | Daara | yea |
| 20:23.26 | Daara | it changes ownership |
| 20:23.42 | Vailreth | you would have to use the modify unit transfer owner effect |
| 20:23.43 | A1win | my statement is still valid, I did say "if" |
| 20:24.41 | Vailreth | are you talking about control or ownership? |
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| 20:25.51 | Daara | I think i have my direction for the next few weeks now. |
| 20:26.14 | Daara | Implement items, finish humans, and scale heroes. |
| 20:26.40 | Daara | finish upgrades |
| 20:27.27 | Daara | i want to toss in an option for the host to modify the timescale as well |
| 20:27.36 | Daara | so they can make each phase longer |
| 20:27.39 | Daara | or shorter |
| 20:28.02 | Daara | you use banking systems to keep track of wins/losses etc. right? |
| 20:29.49 | Fredypimp | Is there any error with my bank loading system? Cause it doesnt work :S |
| 20:29.51 | Fredypimp | http://pastebin.com/QP7wBj4u |
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| 20:32.03 | Batomys | YO |
| 20:32.56 | Batomys | When I set the playable map area/camera bounds to a larger size than initially set when the map loads (via trigger) the minimap doesn't look right |
| 20:33.15 | Batomys | the terrain 'shadow' that is there does not update |
| 20:33.24 | Batomys | So it looks all wonky. Anyone know how to work around this? |
| 20:33.41 | Daara | i haven't worked with banks yet fredy, so unfortunately i can't assist you :( |
| 20:34.05 | Daara | Have you checked the mapster forums batomys? |
| 20:34.18 | Fredypimp | No, im going right now |
| 20:35.00 | Batomys | Yup, I always check the forums, but even if there is a topic you have to get really lucky for the right thread to show up in the first few pages |
| 20:35.22 | Batomys | I didn't find one, but was there one you had in mind? |
| 20:35.22 | Daara | it's hit and miss sometimes |
| 20:35.29 | Daara | not really just wondering |
| 20:35.33 | JademusSreg | EngineReset(); |
| 20:35.34 | Daara | so basically |
| 20:35.45 | Fredypimp | Yay, my map has just been approved! :D |
| 20:35.46 | Daara | you have the camera bounds reduced initially? |
| 20:35.54 | JademusSreg | Oh, the minimap. |
| 20:35.59 | JademusSreg | Them inimap is a static image. |
| 20:36.03 | JademusSreg | *The minimap |
| 20:36.08 | Batomys | Yeah, let's say I have an island in the middle of the screen, then I set the bounds so that the island is now in the lower left of the playable area |
| 20:36.24 | JademusSreg | You can't dynamically update the minimap content. |
| 20:36.27 | Batomys | The 'shadow' on the minimap where the island used to be does not move with the adjustment. |
| 20:36.37 | A1win | shadow? |
| 20:36.39 | Batomys | Hrrrm, is there a way to just remove the terrain shading then? |
| 20:37.04 | Vailreth | fog of war perhaps |
| 20:37.06 | Daara | do you mean the fog of war? |
| 20:37.13 | Daara | you could give them vision of the entire area |
| 20:37.19 | Daara | if that's the case |
| 20:37.20 | JademusSreg | The minimap is a static image. |
| 20:37.24 | Batomys | No, no, sorry "shadow" is not the correct term |
| 20:37.33 | JademusSreg | Static. It does not update. |
| 20:37.39 | A1win | do you mean the view border thing? |
| 20:37.50 | A1win | that's the only thing that's bugged for me |
| 20:38.12 | Batomys | Is there a way to disable the minimap snapshot then? |
| 20:38.27 | Batomys | I would prefer a solid black image to one that is straight up misaligned after the playable bounds swap |
| 20:38.29 | A1win | you are talking about the white quadrangle? |
| 20:38.42 | A1win | or what D: |
| 20:39.27 | A1win | screenshots maybe? |
| 20:39.52 | Batomys | let me grab a few for comparison |
| 20:43.48 | Daara | everytime a nicki minaj song comes up on my itunes i immediately change songs and wonder why i still have them |
| 20:44.47 | JademusSreg | It's a goto command in your programming. |
| 20:46.01 | Daara | She's got the most annoying voice in the world. |
| 20:46.23 | A1win | gahh why is this pathfinding so stupid >_> |
| 20:46.33 | Daara | i agree |
| 20:46.37 | Daara | it's horrible |
| 20:46.53 | Daara | i love watching units run behind a wall of units for 15 seconds before walking around |
| 20:47.18 | A1win | my weapon has long enough range to attack a rock in a diagonal position, but if there is a path available to the other side of the rock where the SCV wouldn't need to attack it diagonally, it goes there even though just moving 0.1 units towards the rock would've put him in reach |
| 20:47.19 | Daara | it's not as bad as it was in sc1 though |
| 20:47.35 | Daara | lol |
| 20:47.48 | Daara | remember supply depot walls in sc1 against computers? |
| 20:47.54 | Batomys | Ok, check this image out: http://i40.tinypic.com/2akl11y.jpg I messed with the lightness and contrast so you can see it better |
| 20:47.55 | A1win | nope ;p |
| 20:48.04 | Daara | it would stop computers dead |
| 20:48.07 | A1win | hehe |
| 20:48.16 | Daara | they'd build up like 500 units outside your base |
| 20:48.23 | Batomys | The map size has shifted, the grey is the space platform terrain, it doesn't adjust properly :( |
| 20:49.05 | A1win | odd |
| 20:49.16 | Batomys | I would rather not have it show the terrain bounds at all if it can't do it properly |
| 20:49.42 | A1win | didn't they use that in singleplayer though? it worked fine there as far as I remember |
| 20:55.20 | Vailreth | what would be a good unique attribute for raynor.. |
| 20:56.17 | A1win | unique attribute? |
| 20:56.31 | A1win | unique in comparison to what? :x |
| 20:56.47 | Vailreth | i am working unique character based attrubutes fir all of the avatars in my mod |
| 20:56.48 | Daara | i like keeping it simple |
| 20:57.42 | Daara | i use strength, agility, and int |
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| 20:57.55 | Batomys | Give him 'Guile' |
| 20:58.03 | Vailreth | i have power endurance and agility |
| 20:58.16 | Vailreth | what would you invision Guile doing? |
| 20:58.18 | Daara | strength is increased health, damage, and spell power for strength heros, while it's just health for other heroes |
| 20:58.32 | Batomys | Just flavor text really, guile could be a bonus to both INT and AGI |
| 20:59.04 | Vailreth | hmm |
| 20:59.24 | Batomys | Or if you want to expand more than superficially how about a 'luck' attribute, just have it give you a chance to dodge or crit |
| 20:59.39 | Daara | have it give increased armor, energy, damage, and a few other things |
| 21:00.25 | Daara | when i think of raynor i don't think of him as some super powerful guy |
| 21:00.32 | Daara | i think of him as a guy who outsmarts people |
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| 21:00.56 | Daara | and uses his knowledge and skills to survive |
| 21:04.56 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 21:05.33 | Vailreth | its just kind hard turning that into numbers for a game |
| 21:06.42 | Batomys | +1 to sense motive and +3 to animal husbandry |
| 21:07.57 | Batomys | How about a passive ability, "Rebelliousness" that gives the Raynor character a small attack bonus against whoever is at the top of the leaderboard/winning |
| 21:10.25 | A1win | adjusting numbers for existing things hardly makes anything unique, adding new things does |
| 21:11.02 | Batomys | Are you looking for terminology, or what? |
| 21:11.03 | A1win | so making a new attribute that just enhances some of the existing mechanics of the game might not be enough |
| 21:11.06 | Batomys | Abilities? Stats? |
| 21:12.05 | Vailreth | effects or appkciations of the possible attributes, they can be any thing really |
| 21:12.08 | Daara | lol omg |
| 21:12.17 | Daara | infested terrans shot themselves in the face when the timer expires |
| 21:12.20 | Daara | shoot* |
| 21:12.26 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 21:12.52 | Vailreth | im going to go for a bit i need to grab a snack or something to drink |
| 21:13.31 | Batomys | Are there any "Mapster Mentors" in here? |
| 21:14.04 | Batomys | I contacted a few through the forums for some map feedback but all of them turned me down flat, too busy with their own stuff |
| 21:16.29 | Daara | generally ppl in here will assist if we can |
| 21:16.43 | Daara | but we're not going to hold your hand ^^ |
| 21:18.08 | Fredypimp | Guys, I cant figure whats the problem with my bank preloading... |
| 21:18.19 | Fredypimp | It always gived me errors.. |
| 21:18.29 | Ahli | type out the name |
| 21:18.34 | Ahli | set a number as player |
| 21:18.40 | Ahli | do not use space in name |
| 21:18.56 | Fredypimp | http://pastebin.com/QP7wBj4u here is my trig |
| 21:19.21 | Ahli | variables do not work in preload because preload is no real action afaIk |
| 21:20.11 | Fredypimp | so I cant use picked player? |
| 21:20.35 | Ahli | no. and handle as the name does not work |
| 21:20.46 | Ahli | your can't type out the players handle ;D |
| 21:20.46 | Fredypimp | :O |
| 21:21.40 | Ahli | preload "fredypimpHisMapsBank" for player 1; preload "fredypimpHisMapsBank" for player 2; preload "fredypimpHisMapsBank" for player 3; ... will work |
| 21:21.49 | Fredypimp | so if I give a name, like "money", do I have to preload like "money1" "money2", ect. or just "money" for everyone should do the job? |
| 21:22.00 | Fredypimp | ok |
| 21:22.14 | Fredypimp | gunna try this :) |
| 21:25.03 | Fredypimp | oh well, but Is it possible to preload banks in a "pick each players"? |
| 21:25.28 | Fredypimp | or I must preload every banks for every players individually |
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| 21:28.15 | Vailreth | and im back |
| 21:30.28 | Helral | Fredypimp: preloading cannot have variables in it. |
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| 21:46.44 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 21:47.09 | JademusSreg | Because they are not actually code; they add entries in the mpq's files that instruct it to preload. |
| 21:47.35 | JademusSreg | Thus, a preload action can only take literal expressions. |
| 21:48.20 | AlphA_VsT | its a small price to pay for what it give you options to |
| 21:53.17 | AlphA_VsT | anyways :D |
| 21:56.14 | AlphA_VsT | I keep having to expand this one thing for upgrades :P |
| 21:56.21 | AlphA_VsT | stupid variables :P |
| 21:56.45 | A1win | Vailreth, had any ideas about the goliath missile ability? |
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| 21:59.41 | DivinityOne | Mmm |
| 22:01.05 | AlphA_VsT | Hi |
| 22:01.27 | DivinityOne | Hey |
| 22:01.35 | AlphA_VsT | i solved my issue with a custom value btw :P |
| 22:01.50 | DivinityOne | So it appleid to all units? |
| 22:02.39 | AlphA_VsT | custom value is per unit... |
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| 22:03.55 | AlphA_VsT | god im sick of reading about Ketamine and how its this new amazing anti depressant |
| 22:04.48 | Helral | thought it existed already for quite some time.... |
| 22:06.01 | nicoli_s | ive always heard terrible things from people who take it |
| 22:06.08 | nicoli_s | "yay i get to throw up for an hour!" |
| 22:06.30 | AlphA_VsT | yeah its been around.... |
| 22:06.34 | DivinityOne | HAha since you talked about it now you get to ehar even more about it ;p |
| 22:07.00 | AlphA_VsT | but now they are testing it as a anti depressant that works instantly... |
| 22:07.20 | JademusSreg | Special K: It's not just for horses anymore! |
| 22:07.27 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/01/31/ketamine-miracle-antidepressant/ |
| 22:07.36 | AlphA_VsT | http://gizmodo.com/5880730/doctors-are-testing-special-k-as-an-instant-depression-remedy |
| 22:07.53 | DivinityOne | The ebst anti depresent is non comittal sex... |
| 22:08.22 | DivinityOne | Wish my hot doctor would perscribe that... |
| 22:08.46 | nicoli_s | its funny fox news would be having an article recommending special k be used for medicinal use, but mariajuana? hell no |
| 22:10.13 | Daara_ | lol |
| 22:10.26 | JademusSreg | Legislate a tax on illicit substances, prohibit their use for minors, witness the growth of many a small business. |
| 22:10.39 | nicoli_s | i know id be in on it :P |
| 22:10.48 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:13.29 | JademusSreg | I don't enjoy marijuana by any means, but I think there are many who would benefit from using it regularly, and it could only help the economy to regulate and tax it, and it would reduce drug-related crime on all counts. Lower prices from a boom in supply would reduce its commodity value and disintegrate the black markets. |
| 22:14.19 | DivinityOne | Also it would be an easy access drug for addicts... si they would not always fall to ahrder drugs... |
| 22:16.08 | AlphA_VsT | pretty much |
| 22:16.42 | AlphA_VsT | shit my keyboard is dying :D |
| 22:16.52 | AlphA_VsT | NEED LIGHT!!!!! |
| 22:16.58 | AlphA_VsT | BUT IT BURNS!! |
| 22:16.59 | JademusSreg | The illegal drug trade thrives in an anti-competitive commercial ecosystem; with lower prices in response to high supply, black market production and distribution networks would either wither in a competitive environment or adapt, such that either way the violent criminality that accompanies illegal drug trade would decrease. |
| 22:17.40 | DivinityOne | or they go legit ;p |
| 22:17.46 | DivinityOne | and make a nucket more money |
| 22:17.46 | JademusSreg | "or adapt" |
| 22:17.56 | JademusSreg | See what I did there? |
| 22:18.32 | AlphA_VsT | pretty much, but the government would never go for it and would rather spend millions on combating the criminal organizations... |
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| 22:20.32 | DivinityOne | Hmmm |
| 22:21.23 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 22:21.24 | JademusSreg | It's in the best interests of the illegal drug trade to maintain the illegality of their trade, since an anti-competitive commercial ecosystem benefits them. |
| 22:21.25 | DivinityOne | I hate mapping.... in the fact i have to terrain everything... but im stupid enuph to NOT have actualy planned the map area out. So now im stuck sitting here wondering where im going to put certain things lol.... makeign them pretty is easy... |
| 22:23.28 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:23.36 | AlphA_VsT | silly you |
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| 22:50.25 | A1win | missile barrage! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7--IFv0x34 |
| 22:53.32 | JademusSreg | Cute. |
| 22:54.00 | JademusSreg | Seems more appropriate to call it a rocket, though. |
| 22:54.19 | JademusSreg | When I think missile, I think long range. |
| 22:55.11 | A1win | hmm |
| 23:07.18 | AlphA_VsT | lol yeah |
| 23:21.09 | Daara_ | lol |
| 23:21.16 | Daara_ | just realized my peasants will repair mages |
| 23:21.24 | Daara_ | because i have mages listed as mechanical |
| 23:26.25 | AlphA_VsT | what |
| 23:26.44 | AlphA_VsT | mages? repair? makes no sense :p |
| 23:32.17 | AlphA_VsT | I need to decide what will modify the weights for the difficulty increase in my map |
| 23:32.21 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 23:32.58 | AlphA_VsT | what are some reason a game should get harder? |
| 23:34.40 | AlphA_VsT | Hmmm I might have got a idea |
| 23:48.20 | AlphA_VsT | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/Screen%20shot%202012-02-01%20at%203.45.00%20PM.png |
| 23:51.18 | AlphA_VsT | so quiet :P |
| 23:52.39 | DivinityOne | Shhhhh i'm huntign rabbit... |
| 23:52.47 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:53.03 | AlphA_VsT | see my super awesome SS in low quality :P |
| 23:53.31 | DivinityOne | ss? |
| 23:53.37 | AlphA_VsT | screenshot |
| 23:53.55 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:53.57 | DivinityOne | Want a pick of ym starting area? |
| 23:54.26 | DivinityOne | Yours is pretty vivrant :p |
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| 23:59.26 | AlphA_VsT | sure |
