IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20120130

`00:00.54`	`Flopjack`	`Can someone assist me a hand for a victory/loss condition?`
`00:01.18`	`Flopjack`	`And by "assist me a hand" I mean that's terrible English.`
`00:01.29`	`Flopjack`	`And I'd like some help.`
`00:02.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Ask Alph. =D`
`00:02.20`	`Flopjack`	`Alphy.`
`00:02.24`	`Flopjack`	`I need some halps.`
`00:02.27`	`JademusSreg`	`As I recall he had been an enormous assist you a hand previously.`
`00:02.38`	`Flopjack`	`Many a hands were assisted.`
`00:03.15`	`DivinityOne`	`That sounds... wrong...`
`00:03.21`	`Flopjack`	`More or less...`
`00:03.39`	`DivinityOne`	`Beacuse of that im now adding sex crimes to my map... ;p`
`00:04.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph assisted many a hand in getting a job.`
`00:04.06`	`Flopjack`	`I think it's a simple trigger: If a player's bunker dies, they lose all their units. If all of a team's bunkers are dead, defeat for them victory for the other team.`
`00:04.12`	`DivinityOne`	`law 1... a man msut never love his sheep more then his wife!`
`00:07.05`	`JademusSreg`	`On Any Unit Dies -> If trigger unit is Da Supah Bunkerz, then kill all units in unit group of triggering player. Get unit group of all Da Supah Bunkerz on the map, if count == 1, make that unit's owner win and make the rest of the player group lose.`
`00:07.28`	`JademusSreg`	`That's the jist of it.`
`00:07.31`	`JademusSreg`	`-jist-`
`00:08.25`	`Flopjack`	`OK, let me see if I can dai-jist that.`
`00:08.41`	`Flopjack`	`Event = Any Unit Dies?`
`00:09.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, phonetic play. Nicely done, if not clumsy to pronounce.`
`00:09.19`	`JademusSreg`	`And yeah.`
`00:09.33`	`Flopjack`	`condition = bunker, but how do I set it up as one trigger for all players?`
`00:09.49`	`JademusSreg`	`By following my description.`
`00:09.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Back up there ^`
`00:11.10`	`Flopjack`	`I get it in concept, but I don't know how to specify. I don't know how to :"kill all units in a unit group"`
`00:11.49`	`Flopjack`	`If I make a unit group, do I assign as a variable?`
`00:11.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Pick Each Wiggler In (UnitGroup) And Do Stuff.`
`00:11.58`	`Flopjack`	`Or wait, it IS a variable.`
`00:13.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I script, so I can't guide you through the details of GUI triggers, but the logic between galaxy script and GUI is the same, so I can give yopu general, frustratingly vague responses.`
`00:13.30`	`Flopjack`	`OK, I think I have it, but I don't think my unit group is set up correctly.`
`00:13.49`	`Flopjack`	`how does it know to specify a given player's units when HIS bunker dies?`
`00:16.07`	`JademusSreg`	`native unitgroup UnitGroupFilterPlayer (unitgroup g, int player, int maxCount);`
`00:22.54`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (~Mexa@80.78.216.84)`
`00:27.52`	`Technomancer`	`Vailreth if I sent u something do u reckon u could properly weight it? I was kinda making it for you but its just that one side thats gone fubar..`
`00:28.36`	`Vailreth`	`i can try, i am busy but i will take a look after dinner`
`00:28.42`	`Technomancer`	`I tried weighting it. It does move withotu distortion to the geometry itself but the object itself swings around at various places, I tried to change the pivot point`
`00:28.48`	`Technomancer`	`ok ill put it on dropbox..`
`00:32.17`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Flopjack_ (0cf8f026@gateway/web/freenode/ip.12.248.240.38)`
`00:33.27`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Xaragoth (~name@ip-78-94-83-96.unitymediagroup.de)`
`00:34.18`	`Vailreth`	`going for dinner be back later`
`00:38.01`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com)`
`00:51.39`	`Flopjack_`	`Can someone explain how unit groups work to me?`
`00:51.46`	`Flopjack_`	`Briefly?`
`00:53.35`	`JademusSreg`	`It's like a dynamically sized list of units.`
`00:54.04`	`Flopjack_`	`OK, so if I make one, how do I specify what is included in the group. For example, Player 1's units.`
`00:54.33`	`JademusSreg`	`[19:16:09] <JademusSreg> native unitgroup UnitGroupFilterPlayer (unitgroup g, int player, int maxCount);`
`00:54.40`	`JademusSreg`	`That's how it's done in script.`
`00:54.47`	`JademusSreg`	`So there is probably a comparable action in GUI.`
`01:03.04`	`Vailreth`	`ok im back from dinner`
`01:10.54`	`Technomancer`	`ah wb`
`01:11.15`	`Technomancer`	`sorry been tryin to find other bone reference material on youtube. It really doesn't apply here,`
`01:12.20`	`Vailreth`	`thanks and i see`
`01:12.42`	`Vailreth`	`you likely would want to looking up Skinning more than bones`
`01:13.04`	`DivinityOne`	`Ugh anyone want to help me with a dodade issue?`
`01:13.09`	`Technomancer`	`ok`
`01:13.22`	`Technomancer`	`(ok to Vail) but whats the issue Divinity?`
`01:13.32`	`DivinityOne`	`You know the super crane?`
`01:13.41`	`DivinityOne`	`I'm trying to convert it into a unit...`
`01:13.57`	`DivinityOne`	`Cant figure out how to do it ;p its a doodad, an awsome one`
`01:14.16`	`Vailreth`	`you create a new unit actor and give it the same model`
`01:14.33`	`Vailreth`	`create a new unit and assign the unit to the actor`
`01:14.33`	`DivinityOne`	`tried`
`01:14.46`	`Vailreth`	`what happened`
`01:14.53`	`DivinityOne`	`it dosnt display the actor`
`01:15.17`	`DivinityOne`	`But before that..`
`01:15.21`	`Daara`	`i can't find this gold icon in the mpq -_-`
`01:15.24`	`DivinityOne`	`actualy i want to do something else with it`
`01:15.41`	`DivinityOne`	`How do i set its animation states to eb controable?`
`01:15.45`	`DivinityOne`	`be*`
`01:16.02`	`Vailreth`	`what do you mean by controllable?`
`01:16.17`	`DivinityOne`	`It has many animations.. a birth, an activity ones.`
`01:16.28`	`DivinityOne`	`i simply wish to turn them on and off depending on external factors`
`01:16.43`	`DivinityOne`	`I cant apply behavors to a doodade... so thats why i wanted to make it a unit`
`01:16.48`	`Vailreth`	`send actor signal should work`
`01:17.08`	`Vailreth`	`i think`
`01:17.28`	`DivinityOne`	`Also... i realy need to get a copy of 3ds... beacuse there is now power down animation for the crane... jsut the birth`
`01:17.42`	`DivinityOne`	`if i can invert that animation... and simply record it backwords, it would be awsome`
`01:17.43`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`01:18.02`	`DivinityOne`	`Is it at all possible to play an animation in reverse in the editor? If not id need to make one :p`
`01:18.22`	`Vailreth`	`its "possible" looks terrible though`
`01:18.33`	`DivinityOne`	`Really?`
`01:18.34`	`DivinityOne`	`how`
`01:18.40`	`DivinityOne`	`Its worth a test...`
`01:18.41`	`Vailreth`	`chopy`
`01:19.08`	`DivinityOne`	`Well.. then i guess i need to record a new one...`
`01:19.15`	`Vailreth`	`you have to play one bit of animation at a time counting backwards through the use of timers`
`01:19.29`	`DivinityOne`	`That wont do at all`
`01:19.39`	`DivinityOne`	`it woudnt be ahrd to invert an animation in max`
`01:19.53`	`Vailreth`	`and as far as i know 3ds Max doesnt inveter keyframes`
`01:20.04`	`DivinityOne`	`a plugin would handel it`
`01:20.16`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`01:20.19`	`DivinityOne`	`it woudnt be hard to find that sort of thing`
`01:21.30`	`Vailreth`	`personally before i do any sort of custom art work more than textures i am waiting for HotS`
`01:22.10`	`DivinityOne`	`heh`
`01:22.23`	`DivinityOne`	`Do you need to edit sc2 models in character studio?`
`01:22.28`	`DivinityOne`	`or can you do it in defualt max?`
`01:22.37`	`DivinityOne`	`beacuse if its jsut max all you do is invert the timescale to be -100`
`01:22.48`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`01:23.12`	`Vailreth`	`but wouldnt that reverse all of the time lime line animations`
`01:23.28`	`DivinityOne`	`not if you do it for the spesifc animation only`
`01:23.33`	`Vailreth`	`ah`
`01:23.38`	`DivinityOne`	`Duplicate it`
`01:23.42`	`DivinityOne`	`and -100%`
`01:23.45`	`DivinityOne`	`done`
`01:24.02`	`Vailreth`	`i dont think it works that way....but if it does sweet`
`01:24.08`	`DivinityOne`	`took me 1min to find the answer... now it will take em days to get a copy of max...`
`01:24.29`	`Vailreth`	`are you a colege student?`
`01:24.36`	`DivinityOne`	`Nope`
`01:24.46`	`Vailreth`	`instructor maybe?`
`01:24.51`	`DivinityOne`	`Nope ;p`
`01:25.22`	`Vailreth`	`drat... there are free legal copies for students and instructors`
`01:25.35`	`DivinityOne`	`I know, but i dont qulifie`
`01:25.52`	`Vailreth`	`bummer`
`01:25.52`	`Technomancer`	`uh`
`01:25.56`	`Technomancer`	`there are...ways...`
`01:25.57`	`Daara`	`why can't i export .dds's from the editor -_-`
`01:26.00`	`Daara`	`says incorrect file name`
`01:26.03`	`Daara`	`when i try to save it`
`01:26.20`	`Vailreth`	`which editior?`
`01:26.21`	`DivinityOne`	`not a clue`
`01:26.27`	`Daara`	`galaxy editor`
`01:26.28`	`Vailreth`	`sc2?`
`01:26.31`	`Daara`	`yea`
`01:26.38`	`Vailreth`	`ah it can only save as tga if i recall`
`01:26.55`	`Vailreth`	`use an mpq editor that can open as read only`
`01:27.19`	`Daara`	`the icon isn't in the basesc2assets file -_-`
`01:27.27`	`Daara`	`i checked all the mpq's`
`01:27.32`	`Daara`	`it doesn't exist in it`
`01:27.35`	`Daara`	`for me atleast`
`01:27.36`	`Vailreth`	`which icon is it?`
`01:27.42`	`Daara`	`icon-allstars-gold`
`01:28.22`	`Vailreth`	`what dependencies do ytou have active?`
`01:28.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Reactorex (~Reactorex@66.185.67.125)`
`01:28.57`	`Technomancer`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58284173/Maraudermerc%20mod%203d.max`
`01:29.24`	`Technomancer`	`For u Vail, or whoever wants to take a stab. The armament is seperate object from the rest of the model... I just have no fucking clue man, ive tried ALOT of different approaches`
`01:29.24`	`Daara`	`all of them`
`01:29.34`	`Daara`	`+mine`
`01:29.58`	`Technomancer`	`for dds filetypes there are plugings for Adobe Photoshop`
`01:30.02`	`Technomancer`	`plugins`
`01:30.04`	`Technomancer`	`I use that`
`01:31.51`	`Technomancer`	`Vailreth if you prefer I export it to a .m3 for you that's fine`
`01:32.00`	`Vailreth`	`k`
`01:33.30`	`Daara`	`i found a way around it`
`01:33.35`	`Daara`	`i can view the image in game`
`01:33.39`	`Vailreth`	`daara`
`01:33.50`	`Daara`	`yes`
`01:34.03`	`Daara`	`saved it as a tga`
`01:34.21`	`Vailreth`	`ok but ive found it if you need it you would have to download the aiur chef mod and save it as local...but that works too`
`01:34.29`	`Daara`	`oh`
`01:34.43`	`Daara`	`that's what its from haha`
`01:35.36`	`Technomancer`	`Vail did u want a m3 or is the max fine?`
`01:35.48`	`Vailreth`	`max is fine`
`01:36.33`	`Vailreth`	`i will look at the file as soon as i can`
`01:36.37`	`Technomancer`	`ok`
`01:37.13`	`Technomancer`	`appreciate it... and if you find the solution, id appreciate the education. I have seen similar situations before. I'll owe ya`
`01:40.14`	`Reactorex`	`Yeesh.`
`01:40.31`	`Reactorex`	`A year after my report about the games list and everything that I feared has happened.`
`01:46.15`	`Technomancer`	`?`
`01:46.17`	`Technomancer`	`elaborate`
`01:49.28`	`Reactorex`	`Were you around during the end of beta?`
`01:51.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-180-50.sb.sd.cox.net)`
`01:51.21`	`Reactorex`	`I made a three page bug report about the custom games list - its current set up is fatally flawed for the growth and life of new games and games that aren't displayed on the first and second page. You can start up a game with 77 hours of play time per hour and wait three hours to get a few people to play with you. With the StarCraft and WarCraft games lists, so long as there were people, you could be ensured that your game would at least be seen.`
`01:52.06`	`Reactorex`	`The report was seen in various parts of the web, but the report is now long gone.`
`01:53.03`	`Technomancer`	`I didnt do beta, too busy with school, got it at launch lol`
`01:53.20`	`Technomancer`	`but I know what you're saying`
`01:53.38`	`Technomancer`	`and its true. BattleCraft is only hanging on by a thread, and Fleet Assault has zero traffic and its a damn good dota clone`
`01:53.52`	`Reactorex`	`I reported this during beta.`
`01:54.01`	`Technomancer`	`Blizzard has some fucktards, what can i say`
`01:54.08`	`Technomancer`	`they woulda given us the official editing tools if they didnt`
`01:54.19`	`Reactorex`	`That I doubt.`
`01:54.33`	`Technomancer`	`doubt it if u want, its true lol`
`01:54.40`	`Technomancer`	`otherwise wouldn't they have fixed that by now?`
`01:54.49`	`Vailreth`	`they dont WANT TO`
`01:54.55`	`Vailreth`	`modding is an Afterthought`
`01:55.15`	`Vailreth`	`their big focus is ESports`
`01:55.43`	`Reactorex`	`Vailreth, your name seems terribly familiar to me.`
`01:55.50`	`Vailreth`	`that and screwing over zerg players`
`01:55.58`	`Vailreth`	`been here since beta`
`01:56.03`	`Reactorex`	`I haven't played since beta`
`01:56.05`	`Reactorex`	`Well, not much.`
`01:56.18`	`Reactorex`	`You must have been pretty frequent during beta for me to remember your name`
`01:56.28`	`Vailreth`	`yeah`
`01:56.48`	`Reactorex`	`I did quite a bit during beta.`
`01:56.53`	`Reactorex`	`SC2's died since then.`
`01:57.14`	`Vailreth`	`i am still working on the same project i stated in beta`
`01:57.23`	`Technomancer`	`whats that Vail?`
`01:57.43`	`Vailreth`	`Unreal Fortress... a not so DOTA DOTA`
`01:58.02`	`Technomancer`	`Unreal... is that third person?`
`01:58.10`	`Reactorex`	`A proper AoS?`
`01:58.13`	`Technomancer`	`like shooter style?`
`01:58.56`	`Vailreth`	`basically i wanted to combine some game modes from Unreal Tournament and Team Fortress 2 into starcraft maps`
`02:00.22`	`Vailreth`	`with a little bit of Warhammer 40k Dawn of war thrown in ..`
`02:01.51`	`Vailreth`	`i created Nodes for the races that when actvated become owned by the activating player and when destroyed spawn neutral versions of them selves in the same place`
`02:02.30`	`Technomancer`	`capture the flag?`
`02:02.44`	`Vailreth`	`maybe if i can figure out the flag part..`
`02:03.14`	`Vailreth`	`mostly like Domble domination form UT2004`
`02:04.39`	`Technomancer`	`idk`
`02:05.04`	`Technomancer`	`is this the hero style map u mentioned before?`
`02:05.26`	`Vailreth`	`that is based on the same mod.`
`02:05.48`	`Technomancer`	`ah`
`02:07.38`	`Vailreth`	`sorry Techno i couldnt make heads or tails of the problem with the mercrauder`
`02:09.19`	`Technomancer`	`-.- u tried attaching it yeah?`
`02:09.35`	`Technomancer`	`because I mean I kept it intentionally seperated so there was no complications when u got it`
`02:09.37`	`DivinityOne`	`back`
`02:09.41`	`DivinityOne`	`Got a free copy of max`
`02:09.58`	`Technomancer`	`are u experienced with Max Div?`
`02:10.03`	`DivinityOne`	`They have an option for unimployment`
`02:10.08`	`Vailreth`	`ah.`
`02:10.13`	`DivinityOne`	`nope im more expserinced with XSI`
`02:10.18`	`DivinityOne`	`but i did use max a bit`
`02:10.21`	`Technomancer`	`I dont know that one...`
`02:10.29`	`Technomancer`	`Well Vail`
`02:10.30`	`DivinityOne`	`its gone max bought them and killed them`
`02:10.33`	`DivinityOne`	`it was betetr then max`
`02:10.41`	`DivinityOne`	`its now character studio i think`
`02:10.45`	`Technomancer`	`I can remove the god-awful claws no problem, if u'd like one like that at least`
`02:11.02`	`DivinityOne`	`softimage xsi..`
`02:11.05`	`DivinityOne`	`i miss it`
`02:11.38`	`Vailreth`	`im really clueless on how to attach the barrel to the model its been to long and i only recalll bits and pieces about max`
`02:12.07`	`DivinityOne`	`Lol to attach it to the modle jsut group it`
`02:12.40`	`DivinityOne`	`If its a free oobject in the scene... that is`
`02:12.49`	`DivinityOne`	`i thought someone already merged polys on it`
`02:13.32`	`DivinityOne`	`Intalling max`
`02:13.35`	`DivinityOne`	`um`
`02:13.46`	`DivinityOne`	`Do i need a pulgin for the export/import?`
`02:13.57`	`Vailreth`	`s`
`02:13.58`	`DivinityOne`	`i havnt looked at model editing for sc2 yet`
`02:14.00`	`Vailreth`	`s`
`02:14.05`	`Vailreth`	`yes`
`02:14.09`	`DivinityOne`	`bah`
`02:14.15`	`DivinityOne`	`is it 2012 compatable?`
`02:14.29`	`Vailreth`	`god i fucking wish windows seven wasnt a bitch when it came to my wacom tablet mouse`
`02:18.35`	`Flopjack_`	`Anyone have some time they could spare to help me set up a masser?`
`02:19.05`	`Flopjack_`	`I have, the regions, unit set up and the trigger began, but I need some help...`
`02:19.21`	`Technomancer`	`ive herd people say issues with 2012 but just one guy on the forum idk`
`02:19.26`	`DivinityOne`	`Have questions i can answer some`
`02:19.27`	`Technomancer`	`the plugin is on mapster`
`02:19.32`	`Technomancer`	`the m3 plugin, just google lol`
`02:19.34`	`DivinityOne`	`i know i found it ;p`
`02:19.39`	`Technomancer`	`ah lol`
`02:19.48`	`DivinityOne`	`also have the mpq editor too`
`02:19.54`	`Technomancer`	`my questions are pretty...advanced, Vail couldnt either`
`02:21.45`	`Vailreth`	`well im to lost in max to be hellpful`
`02:22.00`	`Vailreth`	`sorry Techno`
`02:22.30`	`DivinityOne`	`eeer my max wont install lol`
`02:22.32`	`DivinityOne`	`wtf`
`02:22.46`	`DivinityOne`	`it just says failed to install... not exsplinaion`
`02:23.15`	`Vailreth`	`strange`
`02:30.50`	`Vailreth`	`i really need to get back to work on my protoss and terran widgets`
`02:30.57`	`DivinityOne`	`ahh`
`02:31.06`	`DivinityOne`	`Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (x64) is stoping me... its failing to install...`
`02:31.21`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`02:31.28`	`DivinityOne`	`i'll install it seperatly`
`02:31.39`	`Technomancer`	`what do u mean by widgets?`
`02:32.14`	`Vailreth`	`in my case widgets are little dialogs attached to player characters that display their hp and energy as bars`
`02:32.46`	`DivinityOne`	`Like Dota bars ;p`
`02:32.54`	`Vailreth`	`save for protoss which i will use hexagons for displaying energy, hp and shields`
`02:32.59`	`DivinityOne`	`Im sure when hots comes out they will be standard in the dev kit ;p`
`02:33.17`	`Vailreth`	`maybe`
`02:34.37`	`Vailreth`	`my zerg hero widget is comprized of four layers, a background, the life bar, the energybar and the front image.`
`02:35.23`	`Vailreth`	`my terran when its down will have more layers`
`02:46.41`	`DivinityOne`	`ha...`
`02:46.53`	`DivinityOne`	`repairing my .net 4 fixed the issue i think`
`02:46.57`	`Vailreth`	`ha`
`02:48.50`	`DivinityOne`	`Yea its installing fine now`
`02:48.54`	`DivinityOne`	`stupid .net`
`02:49.42`	`DivinityOne`	`Least now i can also make my civs animation pack..`
`02:49.48`	`DivinityOne`	`but screw makeing it for all of them...`
`02:50.20`	`DivinityOne`	`I'll jsut grab a few modles of each gender... im not about to animate every modle`
`02:51.08`	`Vailreth`	`im going to watch Day9 and then get started on my terran hero widget`
`02:51.55`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Saeris (~Saeris@76.91.57.78)`
`02:54.59`	`Technomancer`	`Is there a widget tutorial?`
`02:55.08`	`Technomancer`	`never considered it before but im curious`
`02:59.31`	`DivinityOne`	`omg`
`02:59.37`	`DivinityOne`	`i jsut had a nerd gasum...`
`03:00.11`	`DivinityOne`	`I havnt used a 3d modle program in yeas.... but i jsut found the 3d rotate helper in max.... OMG`
`03:00.20`	`DivinityOne`	`its as good as a 3d mouse...`
`03:01.22`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@69.166.20.180)`
`03:02.25`	`Technomancer`	`FOR SOME REASONS NOW I TRY TO EXPORT IM GETTING EXPORT GEL ERRORS (LIKE I KNOW WTF THAT IS) AND EVEN TRYING FRESH IMPORTED MODELS STR8 TO EXPORT ARE GIVING ME ERRORS FOR THE SAME MERC MARAUDER MODEL, WTF`
`03:02.35`	`Technomancer`	`I'm about to put my FIST through the screen!`
`03:03.27`	`DivinityOne`	`If its a good screen dont.... put it through the wall instead and send me the screen!`
`03:06.12`	`Daara`	`how can you check for a player's name in a condition?`
`03:06.46`	`Technomancer`	`lol Div`
`03:06.53`	`Technomancer`	`im just at wits end`
`03:07.25`	`DivinityOne`	`lol`
`03:07.34`	`DivinityOne`	`Well least you have the option to import`
`03:07.41`	`Technomancer`	`ya dont i feel special`
`03:07.43`	`Vailreth`	`no widget tutorial but they are not that dificult the hardest part is creating the graphics`
`03:07.44`	`DivinityOne`	`im not sure the plugin is max 12 compatible`
`03:08.03`	`Technomancer`	`I CANT EXPORT NOW! so I feel not so lucky`
`03:08.11`	`Technomancer`	`and I have no clue what went wonko`
`03:08.15`	`Technomancer`	`maybe I need to restart...`
`03:08.58`	`DivinityOne`	`ahh`
`03:09.00`	`DivinityOne`	`there we go`
`03:09.03`	`DivinityOne`	`i got them to appear...`
`03:09.09`	`DivinityOne`	`Now to test!`
`03:09.24`	`DivinityOne`	`Now i need the mpq editor installed >_> grumbles`
`03:09.41`	`DivinityOne`	`hows best to edit a modle?`
`03:09.48`	`DivinityOne`	`just exsport it from galaxcy?`
`03:13.42`	`Technomancer`	`no`
`03:13.47`	`Technomancer`	`u can grab the m3 directly from the mpq`
`03:13.55`	`Technomancer`	`and all the textures`
`03:14.00`	`Technomancer`	`u wont get textures from GE... I think`
`03:14.14`	`Technomancer`	`just try importing the bare m3, it'll tell u all teh textures ur missing, then go and look for em in mpq`
`03:15.40`	`*** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~casdasdqq@dslb-092-073-210-074.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`03:16.02`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Fredypimp (18cb6bdf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.203.107.223)`
`03:16.20`	`DivinityOne`	`I get an error`
`03:16.35`	`DivinityOne`	`says not a valid starcraft 2 modle`
`03:16.38`	`Fredypimp`	`Hi all`
`03:17.08`	`Fredypimp`	`I am currently working on a map and I got something that doesnt work..`
`03:18.03`	`Fredypimp`	`I cant find out whats going on.. here's my trigger : http://pastebin.com/8s1NWQGe`
`03:18.06`	`DivinityOne`	`Ask away`
`03:18.24`	`Technomancer`	`???`
`03:18.35`	`DivinityOne`	`first line is wrong`
`03:18.52`	`Technomancer`	`"not a valid sc2 model" the file is an .m3 right? and also, ... you mentioned ur not using 3ds max, or are you?`
`03:19.01`	`DivinityOne`	`Player Group - Pick each player in (All players) and do (Actions)`
`03:19.22`	`DivinityOne`	`shoudnt that be pick each player, in player group, all players?`
`03:19.27`	`DivinityOne`	`or een active players might be better`
`03:20.01`	`DivinityOne`	`Well i exported a modle from galacy previwer`
`03:20.14`	`DivinityOne`	`and importing it into max says its not a valid sc2 modle`
`03:20.24`	`DivinityOne`	`I am useing max`
`03:21.37`	`Fredypimp`	`even with the changes you said, it returns "Team DeathMatch"`
`03:21.57`	`DivinityOne`	`Still ahvnt told us at all what the issue is ;p`
`03:22.02`	`DivinityOne`	`what are you trying to do`
`03:22.07`	`DivinityOne`	`and whats not working?`
`03:22.23`	`Fredypimp`	`All right, when the players are in the lobby`
`03:22.52`	`Fredypimp`	`Theres a Game Player Attribute that means the gamemode the player whats to play`
`03:24.51`	`Fredypimp`	`when a player choose any of the choices (Team DeathMatch, Planet Control, King of the Hill or Random), when the game starts, it checks for the values choosen by the players and do +1 to local variables`
`03:25.52`	`Fredypimp`	`After that, I check wich one is the higher, and then its supposed to choose the right gamemode depending on the higher variables`
`03:26.08`	`Fredypimp`	`So, its kind of a vote for the players`
`03:26.46`	`DivinityOne`	`Well i enevr tried a vote that way... why not do the vote in game lol`
`03:26.58`	`DivinityOne`	`i'll look at triggers though`
`03:28.19`	`Fredypimp`	`pc, koth, tdm and random are my local variables`
`03:29.26`	`DivinityOne`	`Honestly i never tried loby to in game before...`
`03:29.39`	`DivinityOne`	`Wouldnt it be easyer in general to vote in game?`
`03:29.56`	`DivinityOne`	`Then your not converting values... you simply accepting them`
`03:30.14`	`DivinityOne`	`have you added debug text to display all the veriables on map start?`
`03:30.22`	`Fredypimp`	`But I never saw something like this and Im trying to inovate :P`
`03:30.22`	`DivinityOne`	`to make sure the lobby veriables are even registering?`
`03:30.30`	`Fredypimp`	`yea`
`03:30.31`	`Fredypimp`	`i tryed`
`03:30.38`	`Fredypimp`	`turned out they changed too fast ><`
`03:30.41`	`DivinityOne`	`Its not inovative its confusing :p`
`03:30.47`	`DivinityOne`	`should put all game settings in game`
`03:30.52`	`DivinityOne`	`when a loby fills it auto starts...`
`03:31.02`	`DivinityOne`	`so last player might not even get time to choice`
`03:31.07`	`Fredypimp`	`it starts within 30 seconds`
`03:31.21`	`Fredypimp`	`i think its enough time to choose`
`03:31.28`	`DivinityOne`	`battle.net lobbys. if they fill game auto starts...`
`03:31.48`	`Fredypimp`	`but there's a countdown..?`
`03:31.55`	`DivinityOne`	`a very small one`
`03:32.09`	`DivinityOne`	`3-10 seconds depending on server load`
`03:32.17`	`DivinityOne`	`hardly any time to change race`
`03:32.27`	`DivinityOne`	`much less see and decide an option`
`03:32.45`	`DivinityOne`	`So i really do suggest setting it in game, unless you want it host set only`
`03:32.52`	`DivinityOne`	`letting host have all the controls fine.`
`03:33.02`	`DivinityOne`	`but if there is a vote... in game...`
`03:33.26`	`Fredypimp`	`It was Host set only`
`03:33.43`	`Fredypimp`	`But I wanted to change this`
`03:35.42`	`Fredypimp`	`But anyway, do you think you can help me? :S`
`03:41.37`	`DivinityOne`	`First of all you need to add a debug`
`03:41.50`	`DivinityOne`	`you need to do something where you type -lobby vote`
`03:41.56`	`DivinityOne`	`and it displays the veriables from lovy`
`03:42.06`	`DivinityOne`	`so you know first if the veriables are being registered/saved`
`03:44.01`	`DivinityOne`	`Also your if else then's are all messed up`
`03:45.16`	`Fredypimp`	`when I test it, i always have my debug window on the side`
`03:46.11`	`DivinityOne`	`You should have an if then else for every setting`
`03:46.18`	`DivinityOne`	`dont put them all in a string of the same if`
`03:46.47`	`DivinityOne`	`Example... if PC is greater then all others... make PC game`
`03:46.52`	`DivinityOne`	`thats it`
`03:47.00`	`DivinityOne`	`do that if for every veriant`
`03:47.13`	`DivinityOne`	`If DM is greater then all others... do DM`
`03:47.26`	`DivinityOne`	`If there is a tie... you need to add in that condition`
`03:48.22`	`DivinityOne`	`actualy theres proably a much clearner smarter math solution to do to compare them all in one go...`
`03:48.28`	`DivinityOne`	`but im not programmer`
`03:49.55`	`Fredypimp`	`ok`
`03:50.00`	`Fredypimp`	`Going to look for it`
`03:50.24`	`DivinityOne`	`But siply put... you dont need to use else at all`
`03:50.36`	`DivinityOne`	`if the if statment conditions arnt met, it skips it period`
`03:50.46`	`DivinityOne`	`so make another if`
`03:50.53`	`DivinityOne`	`for another mode`
`03:51.05`	`DivinityOne`	`but dont put it under the else`
`03:53.55`	`Fredypimp`	`kk`
`04:10.24`	`Fredypimp`	`nice! Its working :D`
`04:10.28`	`Fredypimp`	`Thanks a lot :)`
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`04:10.57`	`DivinityOne`	`YEa you had confusing if statments`
`04:11.11`	`DivinityOne`	`Glad to have helped`
`04:11.15`	`Fredypimp`	`Wanna try it ;)`
`04:11.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Flopjack (0cf8f026@gateway/web/freenode/ip.12.248.240.38)`
`04:12.13`	`Fredypimp`	`Anybody wanna try Squad Battle?`
`04:12.20`	`Reactorex`	`~seen onetwo`
`04:12.26`	`purl`	`onetwo <ae070843@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.8.67> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 124d 5h 53m 55s ago, saying: 'hmm gonna do some research'.`
`04:12.43`	`xcorbo`	`lol`
`04:12.47`	`xcorbo`	`124 days ago?`
`04:13.17`	`xcorbo`	`just pm him?`
`04:16.13`	`Daara`	`alright`
`04:16.20`	`Daara`	`who's down on US servers to test my map out?`
`04:16.25`	`Daara`	`Vailreth`
`04:16.29`	`Daara`	`DivinityOne`
`04:16.41`	`Daara`	`wtb 5+ ppl`
`04:18.25`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`04:18.43`	`Vailreth`	`what kind of feedback are you looking for?`
`04:18.44`	`Flopjack`	`I will test your map if you can help me make a masser.`
`04:18.49`	`DivinityOne`	`?`
`04:19.02`	`DivinityOne`	`I need to find a solution to this problem`
`04:19.03`	`Daara`	`masser?`
`04:19.14`	`DivinityOne`	`I cant import modles... i get a runtime error`
`04:19.28`	`Flopjack`	`Like the classic evolution wars, If your SCV goes to the top right beacon, all your spawned units attack the top right part of the map.`
`04:19.29`	`Daara`	`import into what?`
`04:19.29`	`DivinityOne`	`apperantly alot of poeple get the same error, but no one has an answer lol`
`04:19.35`	`DivinityOne`	`3ds max`
`04:19.45`	`DivinityOne`	`it keeps saying not a valid starcraft 2 file`
`04:19.45`	`Daara`	`hmm`
`04:19.49`	`Daara`	`flopjack`
`04:19.53`	`Daara`	`how ar eyou creating units?`
`04:20.01`	`Daara`	`is it spawning them like in evolution wars?`
`04:20.10`	`Daara`	`if so`
`04:20.12`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah, I'm making Evolution Wars`
`04:20.17`	`Daara`	`add them to a unit group`
`04:20.23`	`Daara`	`every unit that spawns for that player`
`04:20.32`	`Flopjack`	`I try to make unit groups but I'm not sure I'm making it right.`
`04:20.35`	`DivinityOne`	`its every easyer then tht...`
`04:20.35`	`Daara`	`then when your scv enters the region`
`04:20.36`	`Flopjack`	`Can you take a look at my map?`
`04:20.45`	`Daara`	`pick each unit in that group and order it to move`
`04:20.45`	`DivinityOne`	`here...`
`04:20.52`	`Flopjack`	`:D halps`
`04:21.03`	`Daara`	`or you could do`
`04:21.18`	`Daara`	`pick all units owned by player x in entire map`
`04:21.25`	`Daara`	`i think`
`04:21.32`	`Flopjack`	`It can't be them all.`
`04:21.39`	`Flopjack`	`It cannot be the spawner nor the bunker units.`
`04:21.42`	`Technomancer`	`Vailreth`
`04:21.58`	`Vailreth`	`yes techno?`
`04:22.08`	`Fredypimp`	`anybody on US realm wanna give feedback about a map?`
`04:22.15`	`Technomancer`	`I couldn't solve the problem as I gave it to u, but I decided to, thru trial and error, fix the vertices manually, i took several screenshots and reimported it`
`04:22.24`	`Technomancer`	`err re-exported it. its almost fixed if ur still interested`
`04:22.37`	`Vailreth`	`yes. thanks`
`04:22.38`	`DivinityOne`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:22.39`	`Technomancer`	`Its a merc marauder with claws removed, oversized barrels`
`04:22.40`	`Technomancer`	`:D`
`04:22.45`	`DivinityOne`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:22.49`	`DivinityOne`	`thats a masser`
`04:23.03`	`DivinityOne`	`but of course you want to point them at a point`
`04:23.08`	`DivinityOne`	`instead of closest enemy :p`
`04:23.08`	`Flopjack`	`right.`
`04:23.18`	`Flopjack`	`OK, let me see if I understand that. Give me a moment.`
`04:23.48`	`DivinityOne`	`basicly... use the first line...`
`04:23.57`	`DivinityOne`	`Unit Group - Pick each unit in (Any units in (Entire map) owned by player 15 matching Excluded: Missile, Dead, Hidden, with at most Any Amount) and do (Actions)`
`04:24.05`	`DivinityOne`	`And then simply order to attack a point.`
`04:24.08`	`DivinityOne`	`thats it`
`04:24.16`	`DivinityOne`	`To keep the scv from attacking`
`04:24.21`	`DivinityOne`	`simply remove tis attack ability`
`04:24.29`	`DivinityOne`	`It will then just sit in place`
`04:24.53`	`Flopjack`	`So, Event is SCV enters region.`
`04:25.03`	`DivinityOne`	`why do that?`
`04:25.08`	`DivinityOne`	`why not put it in a command card?`
`04:25.24`	`DivinityOne`	`Make a "commander' command card`
`04:25.31`	`DivinityOne`	`and use abilties to attack locations`
`04:25.31`	`Flopjack`	`Of the spawner? Oh I hadn't thought of that.`
`04:25.45`	`DivinityOne`	`Yea`
`04:25.49`	`DivinityOne`	`make it an ability`
`04:26.08`	`DivinityOne`	`Its own sub menu`
`04:26.22`	`Flopjack`	`I think I will stick to classic evolution wars mechanic until I know I can make what you're saying.`
`04:26.32`	`DivinityOne`	`lol`
`04:26.35`	`Flopjack`	`:D?`
`04:26.39`	`DivinityOne`	`It would be every easy to make what im saying`
`04:26.46`	`DivinityOne`	`easyer/more efficent then the old style`
`04:26.47`	`Flopjack`	`OK, lets try it.`
`04:26.49`	`Daara`	`here's the trigger for what a classic evolution wars would use`
`04:26.51`	`Daara`	`http://pastebin.com/RKvRtXck`
`04:27.02`	`DivinityOne`	`basicly you need to make buttons first`
`04:27.04`	`Daara`	`you would just need to add each unit that was created to a unit group`
`04:27.10`	`DivinityOne`	`Attack left... right... top.. mid... whatever`
`04:27.16`	`DivinityOne`	`each one needs a button`
`04:27.16`	`Daara`	`and a point for each spot you'd like to mass attack`
`04:27.18`	`Flopjack`	`Well, we can do both.`
`04:27.32`	`DivinityOne`	`Honestly`
`04:27.35`	`DivinityOne`	`do my suggestion :p`
`04:27.39`	`DivinityOne`	`It would be alot neater`
`04:27.42`	`DivinityOne`	`and well recived`
`04:27.49`	`Flopjack`	`I'm scared of making buttons. I always tend to mess stuff up.`
`04:27.53`	`Flopjack`	`:P`
`04:27.57`	`Flopjack`	`True story...`
`04:27.58`	`DivinityOne`	`Poeple wont need to move their scren to cause an attack`
`04:28.03`	`DivinityOne`	`they can just hit hot keys`
`04:28.08`	`DivinityOne`	`and bam`
`04:28.10`	`DivinityOne`	`instant action`
`04:28.14`	`Flopjack`	`Well, you hot key spawner and masser...`
`04:28.21`	`Daara`	`nah mines easier :P`
`04:28.35`	`Flopjack`	`Let me try Daara's first. :\|`
`04:28.40`	`DivinityOne`	`example... for the commander the A hotkey opens attack window`
`04:28.50`	`Flopjack`	`Sorry Divinity, I agree with you though, but I need to try to understand this bit by bit.`
`04:28.50`	`DivinityOne`	`then use the QWE for top three spots`
`04:28.53`	`DivinityOne`	`so a+q`
`04:28.58`	`DivinityOne`	`top left gets attacked`
`04:29.04`	`DivinityOne`	`in an instant`
`04:29.08`	`DivinityOne`	`not 10seconds messing with an scv to move`
`04:29.18`	`Flopjack`	`Well, he travels almost instantly.`
`04:29.19`	`DivinityOne`	`hell you can even go as masic as number keys`
`04:29.37`	`Daara`	`it would be more effecient but it would require more knowledge of triggers and abilities`
`04:29.47`	`DivinityOne`	`Its your map :p im jsut saying make it neat and clean and ppl will love it`
`04:30.10`	`DivinityOne`	`moveing an scv is very outdated....`
`04:30.12`	`DivinityOne`	`honestly`
`04:30.20`	`DivinityOne`	`it makes sence for maps with dozens of options...`
`04:30.23`	`Daara`	`nostalgia`
`04:30.34`	`DivinityOne`	`but with the comand cards...`
`04:30.40`	`DivinityOne`	`its all outdated ;p`
`04:30.52`	`DivinityOne`	`Is the spawner a bunker?`
`04:31.10`	`Flopjack`	`No, it's a flying unit.`
`04:31.12`	`Flopjack`	`An observer.`
`04:31.14`	`DivinityOne`	`You can even have the bunker display the kill count of all your units right on its status...`
`04:31.17`	`DivinityOne`	`oh`
`04:31.29`	`Flopjack`	`Well, I'd love those features, but I want to keep it simple.`
`04:31.30`	`DivinityOne`	`evo drops units from a spawner ;p`
`04:31.35`	`Flopjack`	`Let me rephrase that`
`04:31.41`	`DivinityOne`	`Flop im telling you, it is very simple`
`04:31.42`	`Flopjack`	`I want to features, but I don't know how to do them.`
`04:31.49`	`DivinityOne`	`i can walk you through it`
`04:32.04`	`Flopjack`	`OK, lets, command card ftw.`
`04:32.08`	`DivinityOne`	`it wont take you more then ten mins to make one, then a min for every spot following`
`04:32.17`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah, I get points.`
`04:32.22`	`Flopjack`	`OK, so what is first step?`
`04:32.28`	`DivinityOne`	`Buttons`
`04:32.33`	`DivinityOne`	`Open data editor`
`04:32.36`	`DivinityOne`	`Make a button`
`04:32.37`	`Flopjack`	`OK`
`04:33.01`	`Flopjack`	`Button tab > make new?`
`04:33.06`	`DivinityOne`	`How man spots do you have to attack?`
`04:33.07`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`04:33.12`	`Flopjack`	`8`
`04:33.20`	`Flopjack`	`think of a 3x3 grid, minus the center`
`04:33.32`	`DivinityOne`	`thats very easy`
`04:33.36`	`Flopjack`	`Indeed..`
`04:33.38`	`Flopjack`	`I like easy.`
`04:33.38`	`DivinityOne`	`Sec`
`04:33.50`	`DivinityOne`	`Center button (on command card) can be rally`
`04:33.56`	`DivinityOne`	`which makes them all run back to boserver`
`04:33.58`	`DivinityOne`	`sound fun?`
`04:34.03`	`Flopjack`	`Oh, perfect.`
`04:34.04`	`DivinityOne`	`observer*`
`04:34.05`	`Flopjack`	`Yes.`
`04:34.10`	`DivinityOne`	`kk`
`04:34.11`	`Flopjack`	`That's a good idea.`
`04:34.12`	`DivinityOne`	`button made..`
`04:34.27`	`Flopjack`	`I'm in button tab, but I don't see how to make one.`
`04:34.38`	`Flopjack`	`oh ok got it`
`04:34.40`	`DivinityOne`	`rightclick the left window`
`04:34.41`	`DivinityOne`	`add`
`04:34.49`	`Flopjack`	`One button per spot (9)?`
`04:34.52`	`DivinityOne`	`Name it Top Left Attack`
`04:34.57`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`04:35.01`	`DivinityOne`	`but lets jsut do 1`
`04:35.05`	`Flopjack`	`sure`
`04:35.08`	`DivinityOne`	`i'll walk you though how to do it`
`04:35.12`	`DivinityOne`	`and you can come back and finish`
`04:35.19`	`Flopjack`	`For sure.`
`04:35.24`	`Flopjack`	`It's named, Other options?`
`04:35.25`	`DivinityOne`	`Once you name it, click suggest`
`04:35.29`	`Flopjack`	`done`
`04:35.33`	`DivinityOne`	`just Name it, suggest, and okay`
`04:35.37`	`Flopjack`	`done`
`04:35.46`	`DivinityOne`	`First step, icon`
`04:35.52`	`DivinityOne`	`in right window`
`04:35.57`	`DivinityOne`	`click on icon`
`04:36.07`	`Flopjack`	`OK, one sec... I see it.`
`04:36.09`	`DivinityOne`	`icon row*`
`04:36.11`	`Flopjack`	`choosing one now..`
`04:36.22`	`DivinityOne`	`find one to sybolize it`
`04:37.04`	`Flopjack`	`Do you know what the default green arrows are called?`
`04:37.38`	`DivinityOne`	`nope...`
`04:37.43`	`DivinityOne`	`type in left`
`04:37.45`	`DivinityOne`	`for filter`
`04:37.55`	`DivinityOne`	`I dont know how the scrools will look`
`04:38.02`	`DivinityOne`	`but might be worth trying one`
`04:38.06`	`DivinityOne`	`they have every angel`
`04:38.14`	`Flopjack`	`done`
`04:38.17`	`Flopjack`	`got one`
`04:38.27`	`DivinityOne`	`Tooltip`
`04:38.31`	`DivinityOne`	`Fill that in`
`04:38.35`	`DivinityOne`	`Attack top Left`
`04:38.37`	`DivinityOne`	`or something`
`04:38.45`	`DivinityOne`	`whatever you want poeple to see when they mouse over it`
`04:38.52`	`Flopjack`	`done`
`04:38.57`	`DivinityOne`	`hotkey it`
`04:39.08`	`DivinityOne`	`make it Q?`
`04:39.10`	`DivinityOne`	`i dont know`
`04:39.14`	`DivinityOne`	`maybe number pad?`
`04:39.26`	`DivinityOne`	`figure out what block of 9 characters you want to use`
`04:39.36`	`DivinityOne`	`and conform the hotkeys to that block`
`04:39.44`	`DivinityOne`	`Like QWE`
`04:39.45`	`DivinityOne`	`ASD`
`04:39.46`	`DivinityOne`	`ZXC`
`04:39.48`	`Flopjack`	`What do you think? q,w,e etc?`
`04:39.49`	`DivinityOne`	`for example`
`04:39.54`	`Flopjack`	`That seems to make the most sense.`
`04:39.56`	`DivinityOne`	`that would work`
`04:39.58`	`DivinityOne`	`Aq`
`04:40.00`	`Flopjack`	`OK, done.`
`04:40.00`	`DivinityOne`	`top left`
`04:40.05`	`Flopjack`	`Q = top left`
`04:40.09`	`Flopjack`	`W = Top center`
`04:40.13`	`Flopjack`	`E = Top right`
`04:40.13`	`DivinityOne`	`yep`
`04:40.15`	`Flopjack`	`etc..`
`04:40.17`	`DivinityOne`	`A would be attack`
`04:40.20`	`DivinityOne`	`we will change that`
`04:40.27`	`DivinityOne`	`Now to abilities`
`04:40.49`	`Flopjack`	`One sec. If they tap "Q", their units should move towards the Top Left on an attack command, right?`
`04:40.58`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`04:41.01`	`Flopjack`	`OK, good.`
`04:41.01`	`DivinityOne`	`thats what will happen`
`04:41.07`	`Flopjack`	`Just clarifying.`
`04:41.56`	`DivinityOne`	`abiolties tab`
`04:42.01`	`DivinityOne`	`abilities*`
`04:42.09`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`04:42.28`	`Flopjack`	`ready`
`04:42.48`	`DivinityOne`	`Attack Top Left`
`04:42.53`	`DivinityOne`	`make it an effect, instant`
`04:42.55`	`Flopjack`	`New ability?`
`04:42.56`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`04:43.24`	`Flopjack`	`Name > Effect Instant`
`04:43.26`	`Flopjack`	`That's it?`
`04:43.33`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`04:43.36`	`Flopjack`	`done`
`04:43.50`	`Daara`	`you guys should come join me in my map!`
`04:43.54`	`Daara`	`i need to some tests done!`
`04:43.59`	`DivinityOne`	`after i help him finish this :p`
`04:44.09`	`DivinityOne`	`done?`
`04:44.11`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah`
`04:44.17`	`DivinityOne`	`K now go to your unit`
`04:44.19`	`DivinityOne`	`observer`
`04:44.38`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`04:44.39`	`Vailreth`	`http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/newTerranHeroWidget.jpg`
`04:44.47`	`DivinityOne`	`go to abilties`
`04:44.53`	`DivinityOne`	`add the Attack Top left ability`
`04:45.02`	`Daara`	`vail`
`04:45.06`	`Daara`	`come test things with me`
`04:45.07`	`Vailreth`	`yes?`
`04:45.11`	`Daara`	`and help me balance mhm`
`04:45.14`	`Flopjack`	`If I click on Abilities, I don't see anything.`
`04:45.20`	`Flopjack`	`oh wait`
`04:45.31`	`DivinityOne`	`you need to add one :p`
`04:45.40`	`DivinityOne`	`and remove any existing ones...`
`04:45.41`	`Flopjack`	`Where do I add it?`
`04:45.44`	`DivinityOne`	`unless their for your map`
`04:45.50`	`Flopjack`	`There are like 12 things here`
`04:46.01`	`DivinityOne`	`Okay are you on unit observer?`
`04:46.04`	`DivinityOne`	`go into right window`
`04:46.04`	`Flopjack`	`yeah`
`04:46.08`	`DivinityOne`	`very top`
`04:46.10`	`DivinityOne`	`abilities`
`04:46.17`	`Flopjack`	`OK, I need to change my view to the windows view I think.`
`04:46.19`	`Flopjack`	`I had the list`
`04:46.25`	`Flopjack`	`I see`
`04:46.39`	`Flopjack`	`Got it. AttackTopLeft.`
`04:46.48`	`DivinityOne`	`okay`
`04:46.53`	`DivinityOne`	`now add the comand card button`
`04:46.59`	`Vailreth`	`im not a very good game tester Daara`
`04:47.11`	`DivinityOne`	`Go to command card`
`04:47.12`	`Daara`	`well`
`04:47.17`	`Daara`	`i wanna see how often it drops ppl`
`04:47.20`	`DivinityOne`	`And go to command card 2`
`04:47.22`	`Vailreth`	`ok`
`04:47.44`	`Vailreth`	`let me start closing some programs and fire up SC2`
`04:48.11`	`Daara`	`k`
`04:48.26`	`Flopjack`	`Wait, how do I get a graphic to show up?`
`04:48.31`	`Flopjack`	`I'm on command card 2.`
`04:48.41`	`DivinityOne`	`click on the box`
`04:48.42`	`Flopjack`	`nm, got it`
`04:48.44`	`DivinityOne`	`top left`
`04:49.10`	`Flopjack`	`ok done`
`04:49.10`	`DivinityOne`	`make ti an ability command`
`04:49.18`	`DivinityOne`	`and slect attack top left from the list`
`04:49.18`	`Flopjack`	`done`
`04:49.26`	`DivinityOne`	`should eb at top of list`
`04:49.28`	`Flopjack`	`ok done`
`04:49.33`	`DivinityOne`	`go to card 1`
`04:49.37`	`Flopjack`	`to confirm:`
`04:49.44`	`Flopjack`	`Command Type: Ability command`
`04:49.48`	`Flopjack`	`Ability: AttackToLEft`
`04:49.52`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`04:49.53`	`Flopjack`	`Ability Command: (Blank)`
`04:50.02`	`DivinityOne`	`yep`
`04:50.04`	`Flopjack`	`OK`
`04:50.07`	`DivinityOne`	`wait`
`04:50.19`	`DivinityOne`	`right`
`04:50.24`	`Flopjack`	`OK, back on card 1`
`04:50.25`	`DivinityOne`	`okay go to card 1`
`04:50.32`	`DivinityOne`	`we need to make a button that opens card 2`
`04:50.40`	`DivinityOne`	`so lets make the atack button`
`04:50.55`	`DivinityOne`	`So make a button for attack`
`04:50.56`	`Flopjack`	`If they are not on card 2 and hit a hotkey for card 2, will it sitll activate?`
`04:51.05`	`DivinityOne`	`nope`
`04:51.10`	`Flopjack`	`then it should be on Card 1.`
`04:51.12`	`Flopjack`	`So it's easier.`
`04:51.13`	`DivinityOne`	`Do you want it on card 1?`
`04:51.16`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah, one moment.`
`04:51.23`	`DivinityOne`	`I didnt know if you had other abilties`
`04:51.31`	`Flopjack`	`I don't.`
`04:51.32`	`DivinityOne`	`Move the other commands`
`04:51.35`	`DivinityOne`	`like move and stop`
`04:51.37`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah.`
`04:51.44`	`DivinityOne`	`actualy`
`04:51.47`	`DivinityOne`	`remove them`
`04:51.53`	`Flopjack`	`You think so?`
`04:51.55`	`Flopjack`	`Remove them?`
`04:52.03`	`DivinityOne`	`well the observer can still move...`
`04:52.16`	`DivinityOne`	`but you dont need to see them on command card do you?`
`04:52.19`	`DivinityOne`	`stop migth eb wanted`
`04:52.22`	`Flopjack`	`I guess, so. It seems... blasphamous to remove them...`
`04:52.24`	`DivinityOne`	`but S will be taken...`
`04:52.32`	`Daara`	`you 2 wanna come?`
`04:52.33`	`DivinityOne`	`Well move them to the side the ;p`
`04:52.34`	`Daara`	`ganna start soon`
`04:52.42`	`Daara`	`have 4 atm`
`04:52.42`	`DivinityOne`	`When we are done darra lol`
`04:52.49`	`Daara`	`finish later omg i gotta sleep!`
`04:52.55`	`DivinityOne`	`pffft`
`04:52.57`	`Daara`	`:P`
`04:53.09`	`Flopjack`	`OK, lets continue.`
`04:53.13`	`Flopjack`	`It's set up.`
`04:53.23`	`DivinityOne`	`okay. now triggers`
`04:53.34`	`Flopjack`	`I quit. This is impossible.`
`04:53.36`	`Flopjack`	`:D`
`04:53.42`	`Flopjack`	`OK, triggers.`
`04:53.52`	`DivinityOne`	`event...`
`04:53.56`	`Flopjack`	`I have a broken masser trigger already, it might be useful.`
`04:54.42`	`Flopjack`	`Event.`
`04:54.46`	`DivinityOne`	`sec`
`04:54.50`	`Flopjack`	`Yes.`
`04:56.20`	`DivinityOne`	`Okay unit uses ability`
`04:56.34`	`Flopjack`	`ok one sec`
`04:56.37`	`DivinityOne`	`set unit to observer (or any unit since only obs have it`
`04:57.08`	`Flopjack`	`I don't see "Unit Uses ability"`
`04:57.15`	`Flopjack`	`ok foudn it`
`04:57.17`	`DivinityOne`	`Under even filter it by ability`
`04:57.18`	`Flopjack`	`"UnitAbility"`
`04:57.51`	`DivinityOne`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:58.10`	`Flopjack`	`Oh wait, I just realized something.`
`04:58.16`	`DivinityOne`	`?`
`04:58.24`	`Flopjack`	`The SCV's purpose was to continually issue the command because he sat on it.`
`04:58.30`	`Flopjack`	`So your units stream a direction if you want.`
`04:58.33`	`Flopjack`	`Can we do that?`
`04:58.38`	`DivinityOne`	`Yes`
`04:58.42`	`Flopjack`	`OK, good.`
`04:58.45`	`DivinityOne`	`Just an exstra trigger...`
`04:58.48`	`DivinityOne`	`and some veriables`
`04:58.51`	`Flopjack`	`OK, like a toggle?`
`04:58.58`	`DivinityOne`	`more or less`
`04:59.03`	`Flopjack`	`ick, this is going to get messy`
`04:59.10`	`DivinityOne`	`not really`
`04:59.13`	`DivinityOne`	`its quite clean`
`04:59.23`	`Flopjack`	`OK, "Unit - Any Unit uses Attack Top left at Generic1 - Any stage (Ignore shared abilities)" is?`
`04:59.29`	`DivinityOne`	`anyway did you said ability to attack top left?`
`04:59.44`	`xcorbo`	`Is there a way to restrict abilities depending on height?`
`04:59.52`	`DivinityOne`	`?`
`04:59.58`	`Flopjack`	`Where is it?`
`05:00.00`	`DivinityOne`	`Yes`
`05:00.10`	`xcorbo`	`like, a stalker teleport, if the height of the target point is lower or higher than where it is`
`05:00.14`	`Flopjack`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:00.15`	`xcorbo`	`it shouldn't be able to use it`
`05:00.16`	`Flopjack`	`I have that.`
`05:00.18`	`DivinityOne`	`Flop did you make an event unit uses ability, in trigger`
`05:00.22`	`xcorbo`	`without triggers?`
`05:00.28`	`DivinityOne`	`flop why are you looking at triggers in raw?`
`05:00.37`	`Flopjack`	`i dunno`
`05:00.39`	`Flopjack`	`what that means`
`05:00.41`	`Flopjack`	`:D`
`05:01.01`	`DivinityOne`	`Are you useing glaxcy ++ or something?`
`05:01.13`	`Flopjack`	`I have no idea. It's just Trigger window.`
`05:01.16`	`DivinityOne`	`Exorbo i dont think so`
`05:01.47`	`Flopjack`	`Oh, I just did view > dont see raw and now it looks like this`
`05:01.48`	`Flopjack`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:01.49`	`DivinityOne`	`Id use triggers to ehck unit pos... and compare the hight attribute... if hight = to much or little.... toggle ability enabled or not`
`05:02.14`	`DivinityOne`	`hood`
`05:02.20`	`DivinityOne`	`good`
`05:02.23`	`DivinityOne`	`click on ability`
`05:02.30`	`Flopjack`	`But I don't see my ability in Ability.`
`05:02.39`	`DivinityOne`	`There will be acheckbox on the window that says show commands... unclick it`
`05:02.51`	`Flopjack`	`ah, got it.`
`05:02.56`	`DivinityOne`	`should find your ability now`
`05:03.00`	`Flopjack`	`done`
`05:03.05`	`DivinityOne`	`action...`
`05:03.25`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`05:03.37`	`DivinityOne`	`Add Unit To Unit Group Unit: Triggering Unit Unit Group: (No Value)`
`05:04.11`	`DivinityOne`	`sec`
`05:04.41`	`DivinityOne`	`sorry`
`05:04.48`	`DivinityOne`	`PICK each unit in unit group`
`05:04.56`	`Flopjack`	`Action?`
`05:04.59`	`DivinityOne`	`tell me when you found it`
`05:05.00`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`05:05.07`	`Flopjack`	`got it`
`05:05.15`	`Flopjack`	`Unit Group - Pick each unit in (Last created units) and do (Actions)`
`05:05.28`	`DivinityOne`	`Clik te backet around last created`
`05:05.55`	`DivinityOne`	`change it to Units in region matching conditions`
`05:06.10`	`DivinityOne`	`((btw this is just a test`
`05:06.18`	`Flopjack`	`got it`
`05:06.20`	`DivinityOne`	`((we need to make sure the ability works once`
`05:06.32`	`Flopjack`	`sounds good`
`05:06.37`	`DivinityOne`	`past your trigger`
`05:06.43`	`DivinityOne`	`the line*`
`05:06.46`	`Flopjack`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.03`	`DivinityOne`	`Okay player....`
`05:07.22`	`DivinityOne`	`sec need to figure this out`
`05:07.25`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`05:07.41`	`DivinityOne`	`We want it to order the owners units only, so it needs to know who owner is`
`05:07.49`	`Flopjack`	`Triggerplayer?`
`05:07.56`	`DivinityOne`	`it should work`
`05:07.58`	`DivinityOne`	`yea`
`05:08.11`	`DivinityOne`	`that should finish that line`
`05:08.20`	`Flopjack`	`Wow, that was the first time I (might) have known something without looking it up.`
`05:08.32`	`DivinityOne`	`Well thats a cop out ;p`
`05:08.34`	`Flopjack`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:08.36`	`DivinityOne`	`really should be ver exact`
`05:08.46`	`DivinityOne`	`but i dont think it will break in this case`
`05:09.01`	`Flopjack`	`As long as it works!`
`05:09.02`	`DivinityOne`	`okay new action order.... units in unit group`
`05:09.13`	`DivinityOne`	`issue order (trigger)`
`05:09.38`	`Flopjack`	`Issue order or issues order to group?`
`05:09.52`	`DivinityOne`	`order`
`05:10.00`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`05:10.09`	`DivinityOne`	`The first part of the trigger picks every unit`
`05:10.14`	`DivinityOne`	`so in this next part`
`05:10.16`	`Flopjack`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.17`	`DivinityOne`	`we say picked unit`
`05:10.30`	`DivinityOne`	`triggering unit needs to be picked unit`
`05:10.33`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`05:10.43`	`Flopjack`	`done`
`05:10.50`	`Flopjack`	`Because it already has picked the units?`
`05:10.54`	`DivinityOne`	`exct brackt needs to be`
`05:10.59`	`DivinityOne`	`order targeting a point`
`05:11.02`	`DivinityOne`	`next*`
`05:11.12`	`Flopjack`	`OK, let me make a point real quick.`
`05:11.16`	`DivinityOne`	`attack`
`05:11.32`	`Flopjack`	`Can I use Starting locations?`
`05:11.44`	`DivinityOne`	`Yes`
`05:11.49`	`Flopjack`	`ok, perfect.`
`05:12.05`	`DivinityOne`	`So make the crackets order targeting a point`
`05:12.07`	`DivinityOne`	`order is attack`
`05:12.40`	`DivinityOne`	`the point will but under Vaule in the slection window`
`05:12.51`	`Flopjack`	`We're modifying "Ability Command" right?`
`05:12.54`	`Flopjack`	`In the ()`
`05:12.59`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`05:13.04`	`DivinityOne`	`No`
`05:13.07`	`Flopjack`	`it has a list of abilities, but I don't see attack?`
`05:13.09`	`DivinityOne`	`Slect the brackets`
`05:13.16`	`DivinityOne`	`change the bracket`
`05:13.17`	`Flopjack`	`oh`
`05:13.25`	`Flopjack`	`Did we select brackets earlier?`
`05:13.25`	`DivinityOne`	`to order targeting a point`
`05:13.44`	`DivinityOne`	`past your line`
`05:13.54`	`Flopjack`	`OK, got it. point then start location.`
`05:14.03`	`DivinityOne`	`past ;p`
`05:14.42`	`Flopjack`	`past my line?`
`05:14.45`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`05:14.50`	`Flopjack`	`What do you mean?`
`05:14.54`	`Flopjack`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:14.58`	`DivinityOne`	`i want to se the trigger lol`
`05:15.05`	`DivinityOne`	`okay`
`05:15.13`	`DivinityOne`	`now ability command needs to be changed to attack`
`05:15.29`	`Flopjack`	`ok, done`
`05:15.32`	`DivinityOne`	`thats it`
`05:15.37`	`Flopjack`	`Oh wow`
`05:15.39`	`DivinityOne`	`test it`
`05:15.41`	`Flopjack`	`So, ok`
`05:15.45`	`Flopjack`	`one min`
`05:15.55`	`DivinityOne`	`go into map.... spawn units away from there`
`05:15.59`	`DivinityOne`	`then use the ability`
`05:16.07`	`DivinityOne`	`if the untis run that way it = works`
`05:16.46`	`Flopjack`	`It works! And I was thinking...`
`05:16.55`	`Flopjack`	`They can just keep hitting the button over and over to stream them :P`
`05:17.11`	`Flopjack`	`Last thing left are th exceptions?`
`05:17.34`	`DivinityOne`	`or you can make it automatic`
`05:17.38`	`Technomancer`	`Vailreth dont go to bed before u see this shit, im surprised I made it work considering how fucked it was`
`05:17.48`	`Flopjack`	`What do you mean?`
`05:17.56`	`DivinityOne`	`did it work in map?`
`05:18.01`	`Flopjack`	`Yes`
`05:18.02`	`Vailreth`	`im not going anywhere soon`
`05:18.09`	`DivinityOne`	`Well dont you want it set so they always attack there once set?`
`05:18.26`	`DivinityOne`	`That might lag, but if you jsut want to button mash it should be fine`
`05:18.41`	`DivinityOne`	`and what did you mean by exception?`
`05:18.48`	`Flopjack`	`It issues the Obs`
`05:18.51`	`Flopjack`	`but should not`
`05:19.01`	`DivinityOne`	`observer shouldnt move`
`05:19.10`	`DivinityOne`	`i has no attack ability`
`05:19.31`	`DivinityOne`	`Hmmm`
`05:19.36`	`Flopjack`	`It moves though :/`
`05:20.17`	`DivinityOne`	`sec`
`05:20.22`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`05:21.33`	`DivinityOne`	`a simple but not clean way of doing it is to make another action`
`05:21.36`	`DivinityOne`	`ins ame trigger`
`05:21.47`	`DivinityOne`	`to order triggering unit to stop`
`05:22.00`	`DivinityOne`	`every time they kit a command the observer will stop instead of attacking`
`05:22.04`	`DivinityOne`	`hit*`
`05:22.14`	`Flopjack`	`ok, do you think that's the best? Can't the current trigger say "except certain units"?`
`05:22.23`	`DivinityOne`	`Nope`
`05:22.53`	`Flopjack`	`Well, whatever you think is best.`
`05:22.55`	`DivinityOne`	`The only way to exculde the observer is to complicate your triggers`
`05:23.10`	`DivinityOne`	`you will need to change your other triggers...`
`05:23.13`	`DivinityOne`	`not jsut this one`
`05:23.21`	`DivinityOne`	`or...`
`05:23.24`	`Flopjack`	`hmmmm`
`05:23.32`	`DivinityOne`	`sec i ahve another idea`
`05:23.34`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`05:24.52`	`DivinityOne`	`do you have air units?`
`05:24.55`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah.`
`05:25.16`	`DivinityOne`	`is ob invuerable?`
`05:25.20`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah`
`05:25.27`	`DivinityOne`	`k that soves it`
`05:25.38`	`DivinityOne`	`go to the first line of tigger pick each unit in group`
`05:25.47`	`DivinityOne`	`go to the exclude`
`05:25.51`	`DivinityOne`	`and exculde invunerable`
`05:26.25`	`DivinityOne`	`No invunerable unit will be picked now, meaning the observer will be overlooked`
`05:26.26`	`Flopjack`	`Oh, cool. I can also use modifiers here.`
`05:26.34`	`Flopjack`	`I can make something "biological" and do the same thing.`
`05:26.56`	`DivinityOne`	`Lol`
`05:27.01`	`DivinityOne`	`stick with the exclude invunerable`
`05:27.01`	`Flopjack`	`Right?`
`05:27.12`	`Flopjack`	`Well, I also checked workers in case I use SCVs`
`05:27.18`	`DivinityOne`	`good idea`
`05:27.24`	`Flopjack`	`And I have bunker occupants they may unload, so I will check Light or something`
`05:27.28`	`DivinityOne`	`just dont have tem as an attack wave`
`05:27.30`	`Flopjack`	`(I'm making all units with no modifiers)`
`05:27.36`	`DivinityOne`	`nope`
`05:27.37`	`Flopjack`	`attack wave?`
`05:27.40`	`DivinityOne`	`units in cargo`
`05:27.42`	`DivinityOne`	`wont unload`
`05:27.46`	`DivinityOne`	`unless ordered to`
`05:27.48`	`Flopjack`	`But if the player unloads them`
`05:27.56`	`Flopjack`	`they will be issued in attack.`
`05:27.58`	`DivinityOne`	`dont let player unload them`
`05:28.08`	`Flopjack`	`It's an early tactic they can use.`
`05:28.16`	`Flopjack`	`maybe you're right...`
`05:28.26`	`DivinityOne`	`guardians should never be attackers`
`05:28.32`	`Flopjack`	`Well, they have 1 hp`
`05:28.35`	`DivinityOne`	`how do you load them?`
`05:28.38`	`Flopjack`	`so they run the risk of losing them`
`05:28.52`	`DivinityOne`	`You create them as a cargo unit right?`
`05:28.59`	`DivinityOne`	`you dont have the player load them?`
`05:29.09`	`Flopjack`	`Right now I just threw down some Nova, but they won't load in the bunker (`
`05:29.11`	`Flopjack`	`:(`
`05:29.27`	`DivinityOne`	`your map needs ALOT of trigger work lol`
`05:29.32`	`Flopjack`	`Yes, I know.`
`05:29.32`	`DivinityOne`	`anyway...`
`05:29.34`	`DivinityOne`	`try the change`
`05:29.39`	`DivinityOne`	`see if ob still moves`
`05:29.44`	`Flopjack`	`Actually, the functionality is done if this works.`
`05:29.49`	`Flopjack`	`just isn't very pretty.`
`05:29.56`	`DivinityOne`	`its pretty enuph`
`05:30.06`	`DivinityOne`	`its very clean`
`05:30.09`	`DivinityOne`	`very efficent`
`05:30.16`	`DivinityOne`	`it will work like a charm`
`05:30.23`	`DivinityOne`	`Will have 0 lag from it`
`05:30.51`	`DivinityOne`	`How are bunkers made/created?`
`05:31.18`	`Flopjack`	`I just placed them.`
`05:31.20`	`Flopjack`	`It works.`
`05:31.21`	`Flopjack`	`btw`
`05:31.26`	`DivinityOne`	`okay...`
`05:31.30`	`Flopjack`	`:D`
`05:31.39`	`DivinityOne`	`i really dont want to code your whole map to be honest ;p`
`05:31.43`	`DivinityOne`	`might as well make it myself haha`
`05:31.58`	`DivinityOne`	`but now you just copy everything you did to finish off the commands`
`05:32.17`	`Flopjack`	`Sorry, I'm not asking for you to do everything. I had a trigger to spawn in bunkers but it doesn't work suddenly.`
`05:32.21`	`DivinityOne`	`Buttons > abilties > unit ability ADD >. command card Add > trigger`
`05:32.34`	`Flopjack`	`On abilities. I made a new one but it doesn't show up in command card.`
`05:32.46`	`DivinityOne`	`you never made a button for it`
`05:33.08`	`DivinityOne`	`Buttons are like images with text...`
`05:33.10`	`Flopjack`	`I did.`
`05:33.12`	`DivinityOne`	`thats all`
`05:33.23`	`DivinityOne`	`is botton on comand card?`
`05:33.23`	`Flopjack`	`I see it here.`
`05:33.29`	`Flopjack`	`Do I like the button to the ability?`
`05:33.34`	`Flopjack`	`link*`
`05:33.42`	`DivinityOne`	`only on the command card`
`05:33.47`	`DivinityOne`	`you forgot to add the ability to the unit`
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`05:33.51`	`DivinityOne`	`Top field on unit`
`05:33.55`	`DivinityOne`	`add the ability there`
`05:34.06`	`DivinityOne`	`If its not there, the unit dosnt have access to it`
`05:34.37`	`Flopjack`	`oh right`
`05:34.48`	`DivinityOne`	`Anyway thats all you need to do`
`05:34.56`	`DivinityOne`	`you can copy/past everything you did`
`05:35.02`	`Flopjack`	`Thank you very much!`
`05:35.02`	`DivinityOne`	`and change the things you have to for each`
`05:35.11`	`DivinityOne`	`Now isnt that much better then an scv?`
`05:35.13`	`Flopjack`	`Are you going to be here in case I hit a snag?`
`05:35.14`	`DivinityOne`	`lol`
`05:35.17`	`Flopjack`	`I believe so, yes.`
`05:35.28`	`DivinityOne`	`page me if you need me`
`05:35.38`	`Flopjack`	`I'm still going to have the SCVs in the center do nothing and label them "nostalgia".`
`05:35.38`	`DivinityOne`	`im going to hop on a game in b.net`
`05:35.43`	`Flopjack`	`OK, thanks again.`
`05:36.19`	`DivinityOne`	`I'll help you trigger more later, your need to fix that bunker and guardian issue`
`05:36.23`	`DivinityOne`	`shouldnt be hard at all`
`05:36.38`	`Flopjack`	`Ha ha, yeah, there are some issues.`
`05:36.41`	`Flopjack`	`Oh, quick question.`
`05:36.47`	`Flopjack`	`Why doesn't Nova enter bunkers?`
`05:36.59`	`DivinityOne`	`you didnt order her to`
`05:37.05`	`Flopjack`	`No, I mean I can't manually eithe.r`
`05:37.09`	`DivinityOne`	`but you shouldnt make her that way`
`05:37.35`	`DivinityOne`	`you need to spawn the bunkers, and add the untis to cargo...`
`05:37.36`	`Flopjack`	`I need something that knows if a player is there or not and THEN spawns the appropriate stuff.`
`05:37.39`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah.`
`05:37.52`	`DivinityOne`	`i'll help you with that later`
`05:37.55`	`DivinityOne`	`not right now ;p`
`05:37.58`	`DivinityOne`	`game time!`
`05:38.13`	`Flopjack`	`Thanks again!`
`05:46.10`	`Vailreth`	`i have a feeling they may be gearing up for some HotS beta stuff with in the next few months`
`05:46.40`	`Vailreth`	`maybe not open`
`05:47.51`	`Vailreth`	`or public ...but i think they are surveying sc2 WoL useres computers for something`
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`05:56.33`	`Daara`	`ok`
`05:56.37`	`Daara`	`just need to fix these 2 stupid things`
`05:56.49`	`Daara`	`had a pretty fun 1v1`
`05:56.53`	`Daara`	`i lost haha`
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`06:01.26`	`Vailreth`	`has any one else noticed the cocooned civilians model has team color on the creep`
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`06:07.52`	`JademusSreg`	`That's amusing.`
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`06:17.02`	`DivinityOne`	`This is annoying me`
`06:17.14`	`DivinityOne`	`i dont know why the importer wont import the sc2 modle files`
`06:17.33`	`DivinityOne`	`it breaks right after the modle headers are read`
`06:26.44`	`Daara`	`man`
`06:26.56`	`Daara`	`these random spawn location triggers aren't liking me`
`06:27.10`	`Vailreth`	`hmm`
`06:27.34`	`Technomancer`	`mew`
`06:27.59`	`Vailreth`	`how are things with the model Techno?`
`06:29.46`	`Daara`	`http://pastebin.com/7XguLNUY`
`06:30.15`	`Daara`	`anyone have an idea how to make that stop picking the same person and spawning them 2-3 sets of units?`
`06:31.31`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`06:32.41`	`Daara`	`i thought i did it correctly`
`06:33.43`	`Daara`	`tested it with 5 people and 2 of us got 3 sets of units while 2 of them got no units -_-`
`06:34.07`	`Vailreth`	`i got one set of units ...`
`06:34.08`	`DivinityOne`	`What exactly are you trying to do?`
`06:34.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Kind of a mess.`
`06:35.22`	`Daara`	`it's my unit spawn trigger`
`06:35.40`	`Daara`	`it randomly places the 8 players units in 1 of 8 places`
`06:35.59`	`Daara`	`and it has to determine which units/race they picked through dialogs`
`06:36.37`	`Daara`	`the important stuff if up at the top of it`
`06:36.59`	`JademusSreg`	`One problem is that if, say, player 1 isn't in the game, then player 8 won't get units.`
`06:37.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Because you're iterating entirely by int without regards to the players in the player group.`
`06:39.04`	`DivinityOne`	`Sounds like a bad trigger set up`
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`06:39.27`	`DivinityOne`	`are you talking about rnadom start locations for players? then spawning their race units there?`
`06:39.39`	`Daara`	`pretty much`
`06:40.08`	`Flopjack`	`DivinityOne.`
`06:40.18`	`JademusSreg`	`http://pastebin.com/xaMmzQGL`
`06:40.27`	`DivinityOne`	`Im sure there is a much easyer way to do it then what your doing`
`06:40.33`	`Flopjack`	`Everything works except I can't get one of my buttons (top center) to show on the command card in game. It shows in editor though.`
`06:40.49`	`JademusSreg`	`That's the optimal group iterating set up, assuming one is not removing players from the playergroup.`
`06:41.19`	`DivinityOne`	`Sec`
`06:41.30`	`DivinityOne`	`i came across something the other day that avoided the whole lost player issue`
`06:41.38`	`DivinityOne`	`when targeting all players`
`06:41.46`	`DivinityOne`	`Let me find it`
`06:41.57`	`DivinityOne`	`Flop i dont know what the issue might be honest...`
`06:42.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Flop, make sure the button says Ability Command, the ability, and the command.`
`06:43.12`	`JademusSreg`	`If the ability doesn't have its Command set, then it will show up as blank in the command card editor.`
`06:43.24`	`JademusSreg`	`And no command link means it won't show up in the game.`
`06:43.35`	`DivinityOne`	`Thats it`
`06:43.42`	`DivinityOne`	`For each player in player group`
`06:44.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`06:44.02`	`DivinityOne`	`Change player to a veruaiable (you set to triggering/active player)`
`06:44.12`	`DivinityOne`	`and then have all players`
`06:44.19`	`DivinityOne`	`so say 1 2 3 and 5 are in game`
`06:44.27`	`DivinityOne`	`it will hit all them and avoid 4`
`06:44.37`	`DivinityOne`	`Beacuse its useing direct veriables`
`06:45.29`	`DivinityOne`	`If that helps at all Daara`
`06:45.46`	`Daara`	`so basically set each active player to a set number?`
`06:45.52`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`06:46.00`	`DivinityOne`	`A local veriable`
`06:46.12`	`DivinityOne`	`Like ActivePlayerTemp`
`06:46.31`	`DivinityOne`	`set ActivePlayerTemp to = triggering player`
`06:46.36`	`DivinityOne`	`or active player`
`06:46.51`	`DivinityOne`	`How dose the trigger start?`
`06:47.13`	`DivinityOne`	`Anyway yea its basic, jsut turn the players into an intager, and use the intiger to do the call`
`06:47.18`	`Daara`	`it's run after everyone has selected a hero`
`06:47.20`	`DivinityOne`	`its simple`
`06:48.02`	`Vailreth`	`time for me to go to bed`
`06:48.06`	`JademusSreg`	`(Players are integers, the GUI just requires you to use an action. =D )`
`06:48.07`	`Daara`	`gn vail`
`06:48.12`	`Vailreth`	`Technomancer sorry but i have to go`
`06:48.21`	`Technomancer`	`wait a sec`
`06:48.22`	`Technomancer`	`just 1`
`06:48.27`	`Technomancer`	`unless u cant`
`06:48.32`	`Technomancer`	`ill dropbox it now`
`06:48.40`	`Vailreth`	`i cant wait a few more miniutes`
`06:49.09`	`Technomancer`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58284173/MarauderMercenary%203d.m3`
`06:49.16`	`Technomancer`	`not a few, just preview it`
`06:49.45`	`Technomancer`	`I kinda fucked up the particles, for some reason they didnt import (the dust settling from walking and the smoke from the barrell attacking) but im reattaching those dds files now`
`06:50.00`	`Technomancer`	`so its not 100% finished for that reason but it looks legit`
`06:50.08`	`Technomancer`	`anyone's welcome to try it`
`06:51.21`	`DivinityOne`	`Anyway hoped that helped daara`
`06:51.33`	`Daara`	`we'll see :P`
`06:53.34`	`DivinityOne`	`Even if players are moved around in lobby or drop, it will work`
`06:53.40`	`DivinityOne`	`beacuse its absolute`
`06:54.42`	`Vailreth`	`technomacner the particles for the attacl left fire off on the right`
`06:55.32`	`Vailreth`	`but otherwise its sweet`
`06:56.21`	`Vailreth`	`with that said`
`06:56.37`	`Vail\|gone`	`later folks`
`06:56.48`	`DivinityOne`	`cya`
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`07:06.13`	`Flopjack`	`does anyone know where I change the damage of the Scout's weapons?`
`07:07.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Effects : Scout Ground : Ammount`
`07:07.07`	`JademusSreg`	`*Amount`
`07:08.00`	`Flopjack`	`oh ok, thanks`
`07:10.27`	`Flopjack`	`Divinity, I fixed that button my removing and re-adding it, fyi.`
`07:10.44`	`Flopjack`	`by*`
`07:11.16`	`DivinityOne`	`kk`
`07:11.18`	`Daara`	`it's too late my mind can't handle thinking anymore`
`07:11.22`	`DivinityOne`	`See`
`07:11.25`	`DivinityOne`	`didnt take long :p`
`07:11.38`	`DivinityOne`	`To make the rally on the observer though is a bit more intensive`
`07:11.42`	`Flopjack`	`You should do simple thinking on my map. It's a good cool down mental exercise, right?`
`07:11.47`	`DivinityOne`	`its only trigger diffrent though`
`07:11.52`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah, I'm glad I listened to you, DivinityOne.`
`07:12.06`	`DivinityOne`	`:p`
`07:12.13`	`Flopjack`	`It's neat. I turned the center piece into a map object, so that should mix up combat a bit.`
`07:12.31`	`Flopjack`	`The only difference I made was "S" is mass to middle of map instead of back to the Obs.`
`07:12.47`	`DivinityOne`	`ahh`
`07:13.22`	`Flopjack`	`the last thing I need to figure out is how to allow Nova to enter bunkers. Then I want to run some tests. Oh, and I need to reveal the whole map and set up teams.`
`07:26.58`	`Flopjack`	`DivinityOne?`
`07:27.52`	`DivinityOne`	`?`
`07:28.03`	`Flopjack`	`How do I reveal the whole map for all the players?`
`07:28.58`	`DivinityOne`	`a trigger`
`07:29.05`	`Flopjack`	`OK`
`07:29.06`	`DivinityOne`	`should be reveal map ;p`
`07:29.08`	`DivinityOne`	`or something`
`07:31.36`	`Flopjack`	`Is there an "All players" item?`
`07:31.50`	`Flopjack`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:32.41`	`Flopjack`	`Scratch that.`
`07:32.57`	`Flopjack`	`How do you specify where the player looks at during the start?`
`07:34.29`	`Technomancer`	`there is a way... its in triggers...`
`07:34.35`	`Technomancer`	`That's the best I can do ll`
`07:34.45`	`Technomancer`	`I know its possible`
`07:35.40`	`Flopjack`	`What is the trigger?`
`07:36.05`	`Technomancer`	`im a data/modelling guy, definitely the wrong person to ask, sorry`
`07:36.16`	`Technomancer`	`I know that the campaign maps use it, if u have access to one`
`07:36.37`	`Flopjack`	`Hmm ok.`
`07:43.50`	`DivinityOne`	`Maybe i need the dds plugin...`
`07:43.52`	`DivinityOne`	`or something`
`07:44.00`	`DivinityOne`	`i dont know whats blocking my modle import!`
`07:47.36`	`Flopjack`	`How do I have player on the same team. It's not as simple as it looks.`
`07:50.16`	`Flopjack`	`nm, got it.`
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`08:28.32`	`Flopjack`	`Anyone want to do a test run of Evolves?`
`08:28.42`	`Flopjack`	`Need 3 more people.`
`08:28.46`	`Flopjack`	`4 total.`
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`08:32.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Sorry. Busy.`
`08:36.53`	`Technomancer`	`Are you on NA?`
`08:36.56`	`Technomancer`	`I'll test it out`
`08:39.06`	`Technomancer`	`Flopjack`
`08:39.32`	`Flopjack`	`Yeah, we need 2 more.`
`08:41.24`	`Technomancer`	`kool`
`08:41.30`	`Technomancer`	`whats ur info? ill connect to u`
`08:41.56`	`Flopjack`	`One sec, I need to make some minor changes.`
`08:43.44`	`Flopjack`	`Do you know the attribute of a unit that allows it to go into bunkers?`
`08:43.56`	`Flopjack`	`Nova can't enter bunkers (manually) for some reason.`
`08:47.23`	`Flopjack`	`never mind, used Spectres instead.`
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`08:51.12`	`Flopjack`	`ok`
`08:52.50`	`Flopjack`	`Technomancer, still interested?`
`08:53.48`	`Technomancer`	`yes`
`08:54.02`	`Technomancer`	`maybe hero`
`08:54.10`	`Technomancer`	`the fact that its a hero is why it cant enter?`
`08:54.16`	`Technomancer`	`anyway yeah I AM interested`
`08:54.54`	`Flopjack`	`OK, I'm in Custom Chat Channel right now.`
`08:55.28`	`Technomancer`	`roger, logging in`
`08:55.35`	`Flopjack`	`ok cool`
`08:55.54`	`Technomancer`	`so... it is under what name?`
`08:56.46`	`Flopjack`	`The channel`
`08:56.48`	`Flopjack`	`Custom Game`
`08:56.51`	`Flopjack`	`chat channel`
`08:57.00`	`Flopjack`	`That's where I am.`
`08:57.03`	`Technomancer`	`kk`
`08:57.10`	`Flopjack`	`Flopjack in game.`
`09:14.48`	`DivinityOne`	`<--wants credit for the control style :p`
`09:16.18`	`Helral\|Work`	`what about the shift and alt styles?`
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`13:49.22`	`Ashamed`	`AHHH`
`13:49.30`	`Helral\|Work`	`B`
`13:49.56`	`Ashamed`	`ima get the sandy bridge 3.4 i think`
`13:51.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`candy bridge?`
`13:51.10`	`Helral\|Work`	`how does it taste?`
`13:51.57`	`Ashamed`	`its yumy`
`13:52.01`	`Ashamed`	`yummy`
`13:52.10`	`Ashamed`	`its 20 off right now >< so i can get it for 280`
`13:52.11`	`Helral\|Work`	`does it taste like chicken?`
`13:55.30`	`Hati`	`Helral\|Work: meow ?`
`14:01.21`	`Helral\|Work`	`Hati: meow !`
`14:01.24`	`Hati`	`!`
`14:01.31`	`Helral\|Work`	`;p`
`14:02.00`	`Helral\|Work`	`Hati: meow ;p`
`14:02.10`	`Hati`	`Enough.`
`14:02.15`	`Helral\|Work`	`how's it going Hati? ;p`
`14:02.25`	`Hati`	`writing 10 pages about Pong ...`
`14:02.33`	`Hati`	`due tomorrow`
`14:02.41`	`Helral\|Work`	`hehehe`
`14:02.49`	`Helral\|Work`	`the first arcade game :)`
`14:02.59`	`Hati`	`well, already got 15 pages ...`
`14:03.05`	`Hati`	`so its already done`
`14:03.12`	`Hati`	`but finals soon`
`14:03.14`	`Helral\|Work`	`ow and here I thought you needed 20 pages.`
`14:03.19`	`Helral\|Work`	`25*`
`14:03.32`	`Helral\|Work`	`since you already got 15 and are writing 10 more ;p`
`14:03.40`	`Hati`	`nah 10 pages without ToC and topic`
`14:03.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`ahhhhh.`
`14:03.48`	`Hati`	`nah just finishing`
`14:04.42`	`Helral\|Work`	`so let's see: cover, toc, topic, biblio, backcover.... are that the 5 pages? ;p`
`14:05.53`	`Hati`	`well, more like`
`14:06.09`	`Ashamed`	`So i got my car this weekend and learned how to drive manual :)`
`14:06.14`	`Hati`	`cover, toc -> overview (6 pages), actual stuff`
`14:06.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`you're toc is 6 pages?`
`14:06.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`your*`
`14:07.22`	`Hati`	`no overview is`
`14:07.34`	`Helral\|Work`	`;p`
`14:07.49`	`Hati`	`Iam not writing a book with 6pages toc ...`
`14:07.53`	`Hati`	`would be silly`
`14:07.55`	`Hati`	`and insane`
`14:08.16`	`Helral\|Work`	`15 page report with 6 pages of toc infront.... each page has 50% headings.`
`14:08.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`roflol`
`14:09.12`	`Helral\|Work`	`that's like accidentally marking the paragraphs themselves as headings.`
`14:09.24`	`Hati`	`no text - just titles!`
`14:09.30`	`Helral\|Work`	`lol`
`14:09.49`	`Hati`	`nah just kidding`
`14:10.10`	`Helral\|Work`	`Topic: Books that I have read. and then just list the titles in both the toc and the content with no additional info.`
`14:10.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`or with only the author as additional info ;p`
`14:21.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`btw if people have any SC2Layout files they want to share: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/gui/31710-sc2layout-snippits`
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`14:50.43`	`Batomys`	`Good morning folks`
`14:51.22`	`Batomys`	`Anyone know why I am getting creation actor scope errors when I try to spawn a duplicated Bunker? I copied the unit and the main actor but the problem persists. Is there another actor I need to be duping for the bunker?`
`15:00.13`	`Helral\|Work`	`does the actor point to the correct unit?`
`15:03.00`	`Helral\|Work`	`do the actors events refer to the correct unit?`
`15:04.04`	`Batomys`	`From what I can tell, yes. The one unit's actor does not appear under the list for the other`
`15:05.57`	`Helral\|Work`	`Using the table view when looking at the actor you have something like: Token \| <ActorName> and just below it Unit Name \| <UnitName> as values are these correct?`
`15:07.29`	`Batomys`	`Yes, checked both, they both refer to the correct unit`
`15:09.11`	`Helral\|Work`	`and at the actors events, does it list the correct unit there?`
`15:12.06`	`Batomys`	`Looking through the list I don't see anything referring to any other actor, it's all "Bunker Copy"`
`15:12.15`	`Batomys`	`Is there one specifically you had in mind I can double check?`
`15:12.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`UnitConstruction / UnitBirth`
`15:13.17`	`Helral\|Work`	`that's about what I know about actors and the problems with them. ;p`
`15:15.26`	`Batomys`	`Some enterprising mapmaker could make a lot of money working around all these stupid little problems for people`
`15:16.10`	`Helral\|Work`	`hehehe`
`15:16.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`well If I were at home I'd just ask you to send me the map and I'd have a look, but I'm at work.`
`15:16.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`whacks Ashamed with the skeleton of a trout`
`15:16.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`you there Ashamed?`
`15:17.33`	`Ashamed`	`sup?`
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`15:17.41`	`Helral\|Work`	`know anything bout actor errors?`
`15:17.44`	`Ashamed`	`-.- hitting me with shot`
`15:17.49`	`Helral\|Work`	`;p`
`15:18.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`15:18.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`either of you know anything bout fixing this:`
`15:18.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`[15:51] <Batomys> Anyone know why I am getting creation actor scope errors when I try to spawn a duplicated Bunker? I copied the unit and the main actor but the problem persists. Is there another actor I need to be duping for the bunker?`
`15:18.59`	`Helral\|Work`	`seems like the actor is correctly linked to the unit and it's events are correctly set.`
`15:19.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`well back to work for me ;p`
`15:19.42`	`Helral\|Work`	`Batomys: good luck with getting the problem fixed.`
`15:21.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no dont think so :P`
`15:22.25`	`Batomys`	`Be back, have to close web browser to test map on this shitty work comp`
`15:22.32`	`Ashamed`	`i dont heral sorry :(`
`15:22.43`	`Batomys`	`Silly errors!`
`15:23.14`	`Helral\|Work`	`well Batomys asked the question not me ;p`
`15:23.45`	`Helral\|Work`	`thought perhaps you 2 know more bout actors then me`
`15:23.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`~ActorEvents`
`15:24.43`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmmm purl asleep?`
`15:24.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`~Helral`
`15:24.51`	`purl`	`hmm... helral is an evil ethereal random kitten who must not be let near laser pens.`
`15:24.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`nope he isn't asleep`
`15:29.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it would be nice if purl could be sset with editor issues "{`
`15:29.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`15:30.27`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-30%2017_26_03.jpg`
`15:32.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what the what?`
`15:33.10`	`A1win`	`mmf?`
`15:33.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`is that?`
`15:33.42`	`A1win`	`which part?`
`15:34.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`the picture part`
`15:34.49`	`A1win`	`._o`
`15:34.57`	`A1win`	`it's a screenshot from CraftCraft`
`15:36.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but why :P`
`15:36.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i see nothing new :P`
`15:37.00`	`A1win`	`just added the automated refinery upgrade`
`15:37.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh yay`
`15:51.59`	`A1win`	`hmm, how's that flashing icon added to kerrigan on minimap in singleplayer?`
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`16:09.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`flashing icon?`
`16:09.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`the boss one?`
`16:09.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its named boss :P`
`16:10.21`	`A1win`	`yeah but how is it done ;p`
`16:11.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`um just like the icon for the revealers`
`16:11.05`	`A1win`	`ah, it's a ping with Boss Ping model`
`16:11.09`	`A1win`	`it's not`
`16:11.23`	`A1win`	`those are just minimap icons, this one flashes`
`16:11.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh`
`16:11.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`16:11.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well i know its the boss icon thing :P`
`16:11.46`	`A1win`	`I just opened the map in editor`
`16:11.55`	`A1win`	`it has a loop that updates the ping :I`
`16:12.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`makes sense`
`16:12.16`	`A1win`	`mm...`
`16:13.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`I need to add heros to my map at some point hahaha :P`
`16:13.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so you can have more than one fucking skill in the game :P`
`16:14.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`I need to mark bosses with that icon though`
`16:14.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`thanks for reminding me`
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`16:25.23`	`Hati`	`~Hati`
`16:25.23`	`purl`	`well, hati is the opposite of itah`
`16:25.28`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Hati] by ChanServ`
`16:28.53`	`Ashamed`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlS3w1GGE8g&feature=share`
`16:28.54`	`Ashamed`	`ahhhhh`
`16:28.58`	`Ashamed`	`or awwwww`
`16:36.02`	`nicoli_s`	`btw sc2mapster people, phantom PMs are gonna be fixed soon :)`
`16:36.23`	`A1win`	`hooray :>`
`16:36.52`	`nicoli_s`	`or rather fixed in dev, just needs to be deployed`
`16:37.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`16:37.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fucking hell i have bad math :(`
`16:37.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`level 25 units have -25 hp :D`
`16:37.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`errr level 2`
`16:39.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well the unit type is that is getting returned in null :(`
`16:39.50`	`Kueken`	`nicoli_s, just out of curiosity, what took you so long? ;)`
`16:42.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lazyness :D`
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`16:51.40`	`Ashamed`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147158`
`16:51.47`	`Ashamed`	`what do you guys think of this case?`
`16:55.53`	`Kueken`	`honest opinion?`
`16:55.58`	`Kueken`	`pretty ugly xD`
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`16:59.34`	`Ashamed`	`you don't like it kueken?`
`16:59.43`	`Ashamed`	`do you like the shinny compooters?`
`17:00.18`	`Kueken`	`depends`
`17:02.13`	`Ashamed`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146079`
`17:02.16`	`Ashamed`	`how about this one`
`17:03.14`	`Kueken`	`better`
`17:03.21`	`Kueken`	`dont like the green, though`
`17:03.24`	`Kueken`	`doesnt really match`
`17:03.55`	`Kueken`	`well, but dont base any decision on my taste, its rather strange :D`
`17:05.55`	`Kueken`	`but honestly, I dont care about the look of the pc anyway, my own one looks more like the grey boxes 15 years ago :D`
`17:06.29`	`Ashamed`	`lol`
`17:06.33`	`Ashamed`	`i just need to get a full`
`17:06.38`	`Ashamed`	`because my mid is getting crampped`
`17:07.51`	`Ashamed`	`you think orange lines would look better?`
`17:07.52`	`Ashamed`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146073`
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`17:09.18`	`Kueken`	`for my taste, they look better, yes`
`17:09.31`	`Kueken`	`but its your pc, you should take the one you like :D`
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`17:20.23`	`Ashamed`	`Kueken ima get the sandy bridge 3.4 =.= so it has to be a beast!`
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`17:27.23`	`Vail\|Here`	`hello every one`
`17:28.37`	`Ashamed`	`ello mate`
`17:30.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I awaken.`
`17:33.52`	`JademusSreg`	`http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/you_down_wit_OPC-yeah_you_know_me.png`
`17:35.23`	`Daara`	`hmm`
`17:35.25`	`Daara`	`jade`
`17:35.34`	`Daara`	`you remember that clunky trigger i showe dyou last night?`
`17:36.05`	`Daara`	`do you think just changing it from picking 1-8 and having a condition that checks if that player is playing would work?`
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`17:50.47`	`Daara`	`anyone got a second to help me test something really quick on b.net?`
`17:51.00`	`Daara`	`vailreth you here?`
`17:51.04`	`Daara`	`vail\|here`
`17:51.14`	`Vail\|Here`	`e`
`17:51.17`	`Vail\|Here`	`im here`
`17:51.26`	`Daara`	`got a sec to help me see if i fixed the problems?`
`17:51.35`	`Vail\|Here`	`surre`
`17:51.46`	`Daara`	`thx :D`
`17:56.05`	`A1win`	`is there a way to remove a hidden & paused unit from the Hero panel icons?`
`17:56.17`	`A1win`	`if I change its owner, its autocast abilities get reset :I`
`17:57.13`	`Vail\|Here`	`can you use the catalog triggers to change its hero value from true to false?`
`17:57.33`	`A1win`	`that'd set it for all units of that type`
`17:57.38`	`Daara`	`i had the wrong trigger active i think`
`17:57.39`	`A1win`	`even if it'd work`
`17:58.09`	`Daara`	`i didn't have it run the ready check more than once`
`17:58.23`	`Daara`	`go again?`
`17:58.27`	`Daara`	`this SHOULD fix it`
`17:58.44`	`A1win`	`hmm maybe if I change it to unselectable...`
`17:58.53`	`A1win`	`oh I already do`
`17:58.53`	`A1win`	`<.<`
`17:59.39`	`A1win`	`the problem is that I can move camera with the hero icon, and it moves it where the unit is hidden`
`18:00.01`	`A1win`	`same thing with town camera, it works even on hidden units`
`18:00.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Pick each would work, but I hate pick each.`
`18:00.34`	`JademusSreg`	`It uses ridiculous loop natives, and the break if you nest them.`
`18:01.16`	`A1win`	`for each does the exact same thing as pick each, but uses a user defined variable`
`18:01.33`	`A1win`	`(and can be nested)`
`18:01.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Yep.`
`18:03.49`	`JademusSreg`	`A for each on the playergroup count, allocating the count to a local player (int) var is preferable, as I illustrated last night with a code snippet.`
`18:05.34`	`A1win`	`any way to make autocast status not change when changing the owner of the unit? <.<`
`18:05.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`18:05.53`	`JademusSreg`	`See the ability flags.`
`18:06.04`	`A1win`	`it can either turn it off or on`
`18:06.08`	`A1win`	`but not leave as is`
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`18:08.38`	`A1win`	`the best solution I can think of atm is to periodically move the hidden unit on the vehicle it's "in" so the camera focuses in the right place >_>`
`18:09.30`	`A1win`	`or maybe by actually making it a transport but I'm not sure if I can properly reference the unit inside it... or unload it when the transport dies`
`18:10.41`	`A1win`	`oh, there's a flag for that`
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`18:19.55`	`A1win`	`pff seems to just create more problems`
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`18:25.40`	`Vail\|Here`	`Daara?`
`18:32.20`	`Daara`	`yea?`
`18:33.40`	`Vailreth`	`i do not know anything about tokens but i Think they may be able to limit the revive ability to only heroes if we csn fight the right one`
`18:40.10`	`Vailreth`	`find the right one.`
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`18:46.38`	`Technomancer`	`Vailreth did u get my msgs?`
`18:46.50`	`Vailreth`	`hey and yes`
`18:54.50`	`Daara`	`i think i found out why it's allowing you to rez other units`
`18:54.54`	`Daara`	`the death time`
`18:55.01`	`Daara`	`i have on the regular units is 30 seconds`
`18:55.09`	`Daara`	`so they can be targeted by the pallies mass rez`
`18:56.44`	`Vailreth`	`s`
`18:56.47`	`Vailreth`	`yes`
`18:57.04`	`Daara`	`yea that's why`
`18:57.14`	`Daara`	`but i have the ability disabled unless your hero is dead`
`18:57.50`	`Daara`	`you might be able to rez them, but if you want to waste 50 minerals and gas on a lowly peasant be my guest`
`18:58.26`	`Technomancer`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58284173/MarauderMercenary%204a.m3`
`18:58.36`	`Vailreth`	`the issue is it rezzed the hoplite instead of the archmage and then wouldnt rezz the mage`
`18:58.37`	`Technomancer`	`This should be the complete fixed version`
`18:58.45`	`Vailreth`	`sweet`
`18:59.06`	`Technomancer`	`if there's any other problems let me know`
`18:59.12`	`Vailreth`	`k`
`18:59.41`	`Vailreth`	`man i hate windows 7 sometimes`
`19:02.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`whats that model for?`
`19:02.36`	`Vailreth`	`hero marauder`
`19:02.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`?`
`19:03.16`	`Vailreth`	`i am working on a map that features a heroic marauder type unit`
`19:03.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what makes it a hero :P`
`19:04.16`	`Vailreth`	`general and specific good deeds and virtue beyond reproach?`
`19:04.47`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`19:05.34`	`Daara`	`i know why it did that`
`19:05.36`	`Daara`	`well`
`19:05.38`	`Daara`	`i think i do`
`19:07.15`	`Daara`	`yep i know why`
`19:07.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no you dont`
`19:07.50`	`Daara`	`when you rezzed the hoplite it got set as the hero`
`19:08.02`	`Daara`	`or i thought that you rezzed the hero`
`19:08.27`	`Daara`	`if i could find a way to get it from putting regular units as rez targets that would work, but i don't know how i would do that`
`19:08.33`	`Vailreth`	`well i clicked to rezz the archmage but she didnt get rezzed ...`
`19:08.55`	`Daara`	`cause it disabled the ability when you rezzed the hoplite`
`19:09.01`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`19:09.21`	`Daara`	`whenever it is rezzed it disables the ability for that player`
`19:09.31`	`Daara`	`i can set it for only certain unit types`
`19:09.34`	`Daara`	`that would work too`
`19:09.35`	`Technomancer`	`AlphA_VsT, try the model out too, let me know what you think. Makes the merc marauder 10x cooler`
`19:09.44`	`Daara`	`but that doesn't stop the problem of being able to rez regular units`
`19:12.59`	`Daara`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:13.07`	`Daara`	`that's a flag check i can put in the trigger`
`19:13.30`	`Daara`	`but still doesn't fix the problem of rezzing non-hero units while they are in their "dying" phase`
`19:14.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`LOl i downloaded it :P i was jsut curious what was diffrent about it`
`19:19.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`I think I have bad math :(`
`19:19.34`	`Tech\|AFK`	`AlphA_VsT: r u referring to the model?`
`19:19.50`	`Tech\|AFK`	`I got rid of the ugly claws and gave it much bigger barrels`
`19:20.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no in my map lol`
`19:20.19`	`Tech\|AFK`	`ah`
`19:20.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`my units have -15 life on wave 2 but wave one is fixed hahaha`
`19:22.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and im only getting 1 poitn worth of score when it should be 2 :(`
`19:25.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`figgured out one of them hahaha`
`19:26.05`	`Daara`	`oo`
`19:26.19`	`Daara`	`i can set the revive delay on the normal units higher than their death time`
`19:26.23`	`Daara`	`that would fix it :D`
`19:26.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
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`19:36.47`	`Daara`	`what's the best way to bump a map these days?`
`19:38.23`	`Fredypimp`	`start playing it and forget youre ingame :P`
`19:38.38`	`Fredypimp`	`so the hours played gets up by doin nothing :P`
`19:39.29`	`Daara`	`how does sitting in the lobby work out?`
`19:46.06`	`Fredypimp`	`Hmm, I dont think it works`
`19:46.25`	`Ashamed`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlS3w1GGE8g&feature=share`
`19:46.45`	`Fredypimp`	`O.o`
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`19:57.18`	`Vailreth`	`Daara i may have an additionall little graphical fix for you revive ability so it dosent show when non hero units are there waiting to be revived of you need that`
`19:57.39`	`Daara`	`it doesn't show unless a hero is dead`
`19:58.03`	`Daara`	`and when the hero is revived it turns it off`
`19:58.25`	`Daara`	`and the non-hero units now have a revive delay higher than their death time`
`19:58.32`	`Vailreth`	`ah ok how are you doing that`
`19:58.45`	`Daara`	`so they wouldn't be shown as revive targets until long after they are really dead`
`19:58.50`	`Vailreth`	`turning off with no hero units to revive?`
`19:59.02`	`Daara`	`when your units are spawned`
`19:59.07`	`Daara`	`it sets your hero to a variable`
`19:59.15`	`Ashamed`	`i am bored`
`20:00.09`	`Daara`	`unit dies event --- hero variable condition - enable hero revive`
`20:00.49`	`Daara`	`unit revived finish event - hero check condition -- disable hero revive`
`20:01.16`	`Vailreth`	`yeah there is a way to achieve the same basic effect with out triggers but cool`
`20:02.21`	`Vailreth`	`but that may be simpler`
`20:05.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Im almsot back to where I was :D`
`20:05.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Stupid me and redoing my triggers :D`
`20:06.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`better for it though`
`20:06.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`was a mess :(`
`20:07.14`	`DivinityOne`	`Why... Why ha sno one solved this "not a starcraft 2 modle file" issue yet!`
`20:07.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`?`
`20:08.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what do you mean`
`20:09.20`	`DivinityOne`	`Every time i try and import a modle to max with the plugin... it tells me its not a sc2 file..`
`20:09.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`20:10.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ive never got that issue`
`20:10.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i havent used it for a while`
`20:10.18`	`DivinityOne`	`head + desk = much pain & frustration`
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`20:16.44`	`DivinityOne`	`Okay got it working... question ont extures`
`20:16.51`	`DivinityOne`	`should i exsport the ENTIER texture folder`
`20:16.59`	`DivinityOne`	`so i can have max auto applu textures?`
`20:18.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah it what i do`
`20:18.10`	`Vailreth`	`do you have the room if so i would`
`20:18.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and link the folder in max`
`20:18.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its not that much room really`
`20:25.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yay scoring is fixed :P`
`20:25.57`	`DivinityOne`	`i have a 2 teribvte drive`
`20:26.03`	`DivinityOne`	`msotly empty, i have space`
`20:26.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol...`
`20:26.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`extract the whoel fucking mpq then`
`20:26.30`	`DivinityOne`	`okay i installed the ui plugin`
`20:26.37`	`DivinityOne`	`how do i open it?`
`20:26.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ui plugin?`
`20:26.43`	`DivinityOne`	`im not a max user i was an sxi user so...`
`20:26.53`	`DivinityOne`	`there was a starcraft 2 ui plugin for max`
`20:27.02`	`DivinityOne`	`for stuff like sc2 materials, animation etc`
`20:27.10`	`DivinityOne`	`i dont kno how to open/find it`
`20:27.17`	`DivinityOne`	`i have my modle imported though`
`20:28.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh`
`20:28.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`there is a tutorial for it...`
`20:28.23`	`Vailreth`	`i have an interesting problem to solve`
`20:28.43`	`DivinityOne`	`Intresting always means = i dont know what the fucks happening`
`20:28.44`	`DivinityOne`	`lol`
`20:29.43`	`Vailreth`	`basically i have a hero who needs to be comprised of nine seperate actors working in tandom that vanish and reapare with the units hp state`
`20:30.48`	`DivinityOne`	`Mmm`
`20:31.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`20:31.19`	`DivinityOne`	`That can be done with events but how the msot efficently track the hp and make the actors respond to its the trick`
`20:32.00`	`DivinityOne`	`Havnt played with events enuph to know every possible way to trigger them`
`20:32.37`	`DivinityOne`	`So cant really help sorry ;p besides saying behavore on and off.. to hide actor... that would mean you would need many behavors for the 9 states...`
`20:32.41`	`DivinityOne`	`Which sint efficent at all`
`20:33.16`	`Vailreth`	`or one stacked nine times and the behavior level`
`20:33.58`	`DivinityOne`	`True i forgot behavors can be stacked ;p`
`20:34.18`	`DivinityOne`	`So just have havor stack 1x for every 10% life`
`20:37.47`	`Vailreth`	`may be an easier eay using validators`
`20:37.48`	`DivinityOne`	`So can you point me at the turorial for the UI?`
`20:38.18`	`DivinityOne`	`Is it jsut 1 unit?`
`20:38.24`	`DivinityOne`	`Like a boss unit or something?`
`20:39.10`	`Vailreth`	`maybe a boss but also a player controlled unit`
`20:39.33`	`DivinityOne`	`Triggers could do it easy`
`20:43.40`	`DivinityOne`	`How do i open the starcraft 2 plugin UI >_<`
`20:44.29`	`Vailreth`	`what are you trying to do?`
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`20:47.01`	`DivinityOne`	`Open the 3ds max pluin UI for the starcraft 2 modles`
`20:47.38`	`DivinityOne`	`There was a UI plugin and i want to bring it up in max :P i cant find it, i dont know max well lol`
`20:48.05`	`DivinityOne`	`Its not the 3d program i learned to use :p So i dotn know where all its features are hidden`
`20:48.22`	`Vailreth`	`the max plugin is for textures`
`20:48.38`	`Vailreth`	`so i think it would be in the material viewer`
`20:49.02`	`Vailreth`	`hotkey m i believe`
`20:49.52`	`DivinityOne`	`also covered animation`
`20:49.59`	`DivinityOne`	`which is the one im trying to find`
`20:50.12`	`DivinityOne`	`if it has a indexted list of the animations along the timeline or not..`
`20:52.53`	`Vailreth`	`thats a script`
`20:53.22`	`Vailreth`	`you would need to use the hammer icon and open the max script paine`
`20:53.53`	`DivinityOne`	`Ugh seems i have alot to learn before i can animate... diggs about`
`20:53.57`	`Vailreth`	`then in the little dropdown select the sequences script`
`20:54.08`	`DivinityOne`	`So far ims tuck on 1 animation, and cant figur eout how to change to the others`
`20:54.32`	`DivinityOne`	`at bottom right?`
`20:54.38`	`Vailreth`	`yes`
`20:54.43`	`DivinityOne`	`It dosnt have any options`
`20:55.09`	`DivinityOne`	`it jsut syas selected`
`20:55.35`	`Vailreth`	`did you get the latest copy of nintoxicated scropts?`
`20:55.47`	`Vailreth`	`they are a year and so old but work well enough`
`20:55.54`	`Vailreth`	`scripts`
`20:56.44`	`DivinityOne`	`Nope...`
`20:56.49`	`DivinityOne`	`Didnt know i needed them`
`20:58.02`	`Vailreth`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/`
`20:58.14`	`Vailreth`	`that should have everything you need`
`20:59.29`	`Vailreth`	`yes i just checked the zip it has all of the needed files`
`20:59.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`21:00.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`he ahsnt updated it?`
`21:00.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what a shame`
`21:00.36`	`Vailreth`	`very true`
`21:00.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`gah`
`21:00.42`	`Vailreth`	`gah?`
`21:00.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im trying to figgure this out`
`21:01.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:01.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`values are 1 and 2`
`21:01.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but i get 1`
`21:01.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:(`
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`21:02.14`	`Vailreth`	`how do you know the difficulty is being converted to 2?`
`21:02.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`because i have it outputing the value`
`21:02.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`for debuging`
`21:03.01`	`Vailreth`	`are you sure the game is getting the correct difficulty ?`
`21:03.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`I have no idea :P`
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`21:03.41`	`DivinityOne`	`I dl'ed that`
`21:03.51`	`DivinityOne`	`But theres no animation selection...`
`21:03.59`	`DivinityOne`	`maybe its jsut for the modle i chose...`
`21:04.03`	`DivinityOne`	`i'll try another`
`21:04.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`cause my other unit... with value of 2 gives a score of 2`
`21:04.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`looks like its not getting the correct value`
`21:04.30`	`DivinityOne`	`nm`
`21:04.36`	`DivinityOne`	`i was looking in wrogn area`
`21:04.41`	`DivinityOne`	`i fogor ti was a TOOL`
`21:04.41`	`Vailreth`	`well see if you can get the current level of difficulty and output it?`
`21:04.45`	`DivinityOne`	`lawl`
`21:05.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`the difficulty is set at 1.5 and rounded to 2`
`21:05.45`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`21:06.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah im confused cause its getting a value of 1`
`21:07.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`something is off`
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`21:09.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Lol stupid me`
`21:09.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`21:09.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`can you spot the error :D`
`21:09.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:10.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`0.o`
`21:10.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`silly me`
`21:13.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i got them backwards :D`
`21:14.50`	`DivinityOne`	`Question`
`21:14.59`	`DivinityOne`	`why dose the animation importer default to 1000pfs?`
`21:15.03`	`DivinityOne`	`fps*`
`21:15.11`	`DivinityOne`	`i keep changeing it to 30 :p`
`21:15.47`	`AlphA_VsT`	`becasue its buggy?`
`21:18.56`	`DivinityOne`	`Mmm`
`21:19.03`	`DivinityOne`	`Now to figure out how to copy an animation`
`21:19.16`	`DivinityOne`	`From my research max makes it a nightmare...`
`21:20.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and the plugin you are using doesnt do animations very well if i remmeber`
`21:22.52`	`DivinityOne`	`ahh figure dit out`
`21:23.03`	`DivinityOne`	`how can i expand the timeline to show the eniter timeline?`
`21:23.07`	`DivinityOne`	`not jsut 1 sequence?`
`21:23.20`	`DivinityOne`	`copying is as simple as highlightling and SHift+dragging`
`21:23.44`	`DivinityOne`	`but i need a blank part of the timeline to drop it on basicly`
`21:24.21`	`DivinityOne`	`I think i have an idea...`
`21:25.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`um the animatins are set to 1 timeline`
`21:25.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`jsut at diffrent points`
`21:26.19`	`DivinityOne`	`Oh wow okay this is easy`
`21:26.37`	`DivinityOne`	`i know what but i mean how to display the full timline`
`21:26.42`	`DivinityOne`	`not the slected sequence`
`21:27.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`idono :P`
`21:27.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i havnt touched max in a while`
`21:29.22`	`DivinityOne`	`max = crap`
`21:29.35`	`DivinityOne`	`Its why i never used it`
`21:29.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`max is the industry standard`
`21:30.05`	`nicoli_s`	`max is needlessly complicated, but i dont think its crap`
`21:31.46`	`DivinityOne`	`I prefered softimage xsi`
`21:31.59`	`DivinityOne`	`tilll audodesk bought them and ove rnith changed the price tag from 600 to 3.5k`
`21:31.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`never even heard of it`
`21:32.14`	`DivinityOne`	`its character studio now`
`21:32.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no idea what that is :p`
`21:33.00`	`DivinityOne`	`xsi was jsut lax and maya but designed purly for games/animation`
`21:33.11`	`DivinityOne`	`max and maya*`
`21:33.28`	`DivinityOne`	`but of course they did things better then max and maya in their itnerface, procedual mapping... etc`
`21:33.50`	`DivinityOne`	`their animation made max and maya look like a joke`
`21:34.11`	`DivinityOne`	`but after max bought maya they bought xsi...`
`21:35.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`21:35.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what ever`
`21:35.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lo`
`21:35.48`	`DivinityOne`	`and they cut off all the coolness of xsi and made it pusrly a character studio/animation tool set`
`21:37.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`21:37.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`shit happens right`
`21:43.45`	`DivinityOne`	`Yea.. then you get even...`
`21:43.56`	`DivinityOne`	`btw adding animations is a pain in the ass!`
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`21:44.35`	`DivinityOne`	`I need to figur eout the prcedure... if i add an animation it overrights an existing one`
`21:45.07`	`DivinityOne`	`And theirs no undo`
`21:45.11`	`DivinityOne`	`which is laughable`
`21:47.27`	`Daara`	`who's free to come play my map`
`21:47.32`	`Daara`	`i got most of the bugs out of the way`
`21:47.34`	`Daara`	`i want to do a video`
`21:47.44`	`Daara`	`wtb 5+ ppl`
`21:54.46`	`DivinityOne`	`Id come if i wasnt figureing out animating this thing... sorry`
`21:55.24`	`Vailreth`	`researhching to see if i can play a video as a texture in a dialog`
`21:59.22`	`Fredypimp`	`you can put it in a "tutorial" in the help menu`
`21:59.30`	`Fredypimp`	`with tips and things like that`
`22:04.36`	`DivinityOne`	`Ha!`
`22:04.38`	`DivinityOne`	`done`
`22:04.43`	`DivinityOne`	`i revered the powerup animation`
`22:05.03`	`DivinityOne`	`Now to make a static off animation...`
`22:05.13`	`DivinityOne`	`and then export it and test`
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`22:15.08`	`DivinityOne`	`cross my fingers exsport works...`
`22:15.20`	`DivinityOne`	`brb`
`22:16.17`	`Vailreth`	`drat i forgot only blizz can do it damn`
`22:20.16`	`Fredypimp`	`Guys, can anyone help me with that? (http://pastebin.com/in19HzwA) it always gives me a trigger error saying it cant fint the bank..`
`22:20.19`	`Fredypimp`	`find*`
`22:29.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`banks need to be set per player`
`22:30.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you really dont want to save the bank that often either`
`22:31.45`	`DivinityOne`	`ugh`
`22:31.49`	`DivinityOne`	`i have ane rror on exsport`
`22:31.54`	`DivinityOne`	`it says not colorset or something`
`22:32.01`	`DivinityOne`	`i think it means player/team color`
`22:32.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`22:32.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`propbably`
`22:32.37`	`Fredypimp`	`So I must do like 8 if to save my banks?`
`22:32.38`	`DivinityOne`	`how do i fix that?`
`22:34.15`	`DivinityOne`	`The error is -- No "get" funtion for #colour 1start`
`22:36.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`read the help text on the bank trigger it should clear it up`
`22:39.56`	`DivinityOne`	`No one has any thoughts?`
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`22:40.36`	`Fredypimp`	`Which bank trigger? I read them and it seems to e ok..`
`22:40.40`	`Fredypimp`	`be*`
`22:40.40`	`Batomys`	`Anyone know how to easily retrieve the animation name so it can be played via trigger/actor message?`
`22:41.09`	`DivinityOne`	`there is no 'easy' way`
`22:41.16`	`Batomys`	`I am trying to play "Work B Variation 1" and have worked through about 30 different options, 1, 2, 3, 4, variation 1, 2, 3, 4, 5`
`22:41.19`	`DivinityOne`	`you have to preview an animation`
`22:41.37`	`Batomys`	`The animations are not named the same thing as they are in the model previewer`
`22:41.37`	`DivinityOne`	`to get the name`
`22:41.47`	`Batomys`	`There is no "Work B Variation 1" for instance`
`22:41.49`	`DivinityOne`	`yes they are`
`22:41.54`	`Batomys`	`No, they are not.`
`22:41.57`	`DivinityOne`	`use events`
`22:41.59`	`DivinityOne`	`not triggers`
`22:42.11`	`DivinityOne`	`use the trigger to activate events`
`22:42.25`	`DivinityOne`	`events handel animations ALOT better then triggers`
`22:42.27`	`Batomys`	`Hrrm`
`22:42.55`	`DivinityOne`	`infact events where designed spesificly for animations lol`
`22:43.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`pretty much`
`22:43.51`	`Batomys`	`The option I want, the animation name still does not appear in that dropdown.`
`22:44.05`	`DivinityOne`	`its jsut work`
`22:44.07`	`Batomys`	`There is a "Work" and a "B" and a "Variation 1" but not all together`
`22:44.07`	`DivinityOne`	`vaeriant 1`
`22:44.14`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`22:44.21`	`DivinityOne`	`thats how it works`
`22:44.23`	`DivinityOne`	`their 'tags'`
`22:44.28`	`DivinityOne`	`this is the work tag...`
`22:44.32`	`Batomys`	`So do I select Work, and in the second field I put B, and in third "Variation 01"?`
`22:44.33`	`DivinityOne`	`this is the veriant tag`
`22:44.35`	`DivinityOne`	`combine them`
`22:44.40`	`DivinityOne`	`but i think you only need work veriant 2`
`22:44.43`	`DivinityOne`	`and veriant 2`
`22:45.03`	`Batomys`	`Hrrm, sorry for the stupid question, new to this part of the editor`
`22:45.07`	`Batomys`	`trying now`
`22:45.35`	`Fredypimp`	`A1phA, I read the bank trigers help text, but can't find what's wrong.. It all seems ok..`
`22:45.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ok yeah i was wrong its only for preloading :P been a while haha`
`22:45.39`	`DivinityOne`	`its a way of themeing animation sets...`
`22:45.46`	`DivinityOne`	`the work set, the hurt set, etc`
`22:46.12`	`DivinityOne`	`Civs have some of the msot animation sets :p can looki at them for an example`
`22:46.15`	`Batomys`	`Gotcha, I thought the multiple different fields meant you could call 1 animation, and then a second to play in sequence`
`22:46.29`	`DivinityOne`	`nope`
`22:46.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`are you on bnet?`
`22:46.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`when you test this`
`22:46.51`	`Fredypimp`	`no`
`22:46.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`thats why`
`22:47.08`	`Fredypimp`	`are you rly sure?`
`22:47.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`handle of player is the bnet id right?`
`22:47.27`	`Fredypimp`	`oh.`
`22:47.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`if your local you have no id`
`22:47.28`	`Fredypimp`	`yea..`
`22:47.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`value`
`22:47.33`	`Fredypimp`	`dumb be -.- xD`
`22:47.38`	`Fredypimp`	`me*`
`22:48.51`	`Fredypimp`	`Thanks a lot for the help, if you guys wanna try my map, you can find it on bnet : Squad Battle`
`22:49.06`	`Fredypimp`	`I thanked the sc2mapster community on the loading scren ;)`
`22:49.19`	`Fredypimp`	`But now i gotta go, so cya all`
`22:51.11`	`DivinityOne`	`I made a psot on sc2mapster`
`22:51.18`	`DivinityOne`	`hopefuly someone can give me the answer i want`
`22:51.58`	`Vailreth`	`would i have to create a variable Power for all players or is there another way to give each player a power bar of their own independant of other players?`
`22:52.06`	`Batomys`	`Thanks for the help gentlemen, see you later`
`22:52.10`	`Batomys`	`BATOMYS OUT`
`22:53.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`um an array with a loop :P`
`22:53.42`	`Vailreth`	`what loop?`
`22:53.50`	`DivinityOne`	`a switch that calls it`
`22:53.57`	`DivinityOne`	`or do once for every veriable ina rrary`
`22:54.03`	`DivinityOne`	`many ways to do it`
`22:54.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`depending on your need yeah :P`
`22:55.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`main thing is the array so you dont have to do each player individually :P`
`22:55.41`	`Vailreth`	`how do you tell each valye in the array apart?`
`22:55.57`	`DivinityOne`	`yea a do ocne for every veriable ina rray is jsut 1 line ;p and it can be used to render a powerbar for everyone`
`22:56.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`um array[#]`
`22:56.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`where the number is the player number in this case`
`22:56.25`	`Vailreth`	`im lost`
`22:56.36`	`DivinityOne`	`Okay first you need a global veriable`
`22:56.43`	`Vailreth`	`ok`
`22:56.43`	`DivinityOne`	`an intiger`
`22:56.50`	`DivinityOne`	`there is a butotn to make it an array`
`22:57.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`think of the array as a stack of variables...`
`22:57.13`	`DivinityOne`	`it is basicly rows... that intiger has x+1 rows x being the nuber you put in the array field`
`22:57.13`	`Vailreth`	`i undertsand that`
`22:57.19`	`DivinityOne`	`k`
`22:57.21`	`Vailreth`	`just numbers alone can confuse me`
`22:57.25`	`Vailreth`	`i need words`
`22:57.29`	`DivinityOne`	`kk`
`22:57.29`	`Vailreth`	`too`
`22:57.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well player 1 is 1`
`22:57.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`in this case`
`22:57.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and player 5 is 5`
`22:57.49`	`DivinityOne`	`well make an array 15 thats 0-16`
`22:57.52`	`Vailreth`	`wouldnt player 1 be 0?`
`22:57.57`	`DivinityOne`	`nope`
`22:58.03`	`DivinityOne`	`thats where you woudl store it`
`22:58.11`	`DivinityOne`	`but not how they are repersented`
`22:58.14`	`DivinityOne`	`nutral is 0`
`22:58.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sc doesnt care if you use 0 or not`
`22:58.25`	`Vailreth`	`ok now i am lost`
`22:58.26`	`DivinityOne`	`it is always called before players`
`22:58.40`	`DivinityOne`	`well look at players in map set up`
`22:58.49`	`Vailreth`	`so 0 would always be neutral?`
`22:58.50`	`DivinityOne`	`its that simple to understand player numbers`
`22:58.54`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`22:59.08`	`DivinityOne`	`unless you make it player`
`22:59.16`	`DivinityOne`	`then players can start as 0`
`22:59.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`22:59.31`	`Vailreth`	`that is not necesary.`
`22:59.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but thats why player 0 is neutral :P`
`22:59.40`	`DivinityOne`	`anyway for the array...`
`22:59.41`	`A1win`	`there are 16 players in SC2, 0-15, but player 0 is the neutral player by default, and players from game lobby are put into the User slots which begin at 1 by default... it's easier to refer to player 1 in array index 1 instead of 0, since otherwise you'd have to subtract 1 every time you refer the array`
`22:59.45`	`DivinityOne`	`you want to save every player to it`
`22:59.56`	`Vailreth`	`ok so i would have an array of 9 or 8?`
`23:00.01`	`Vailreth`	`for 9 players`
`23:00.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`9`
`23:00.19`	`DivinityOne`	`if you leave 0 blank`
`23:00.23`	`A1win`	`Vailreth, depends on wheter you want to subtract 1 from the player number when you refer the array`
`23:00.26`	`DivinityOne`	`you can forget 0 even exists`
`23:00.27`	`A1win`	`*whether`
`23:00.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its kinda pointless a1 :D`
`23:00.58`	`DivinityOne`	`arrays begin at zero... so data can be in Array[0] basicly`
`23:01.11`	`DivinityOne`	`or you can jsut start at 1`
`23:01.24`	`A1win`	`it is but I'm just saying what it is instead of saying that he can just ignore it :P`
`23:01.33`	`DivinityOne`	`yea ;p`
`23:01.40`	`Vailreth`	`ok so my power amount is an array of 9`
`23:01.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`23:02.01`	`DivinityOne`	`Okay make a trigger to put every player into it`
`23:02.08`	`DivinityOne`	`basicly Pick player in player group`
`23:02.16`	`DivinityOne`	`Picked player, in all players`
`23:02.44`	`A1win`	`use For each player instead of Pick each player, avoids running into problems later on`
`23:02.44`	`DivinityOne`	`and add them to the array, you can do it all in one line.... let me see if i have an example here`
`23:03.04`	`DivinityOne`	`its jsut registering their number`
`23:03.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`wtf are you guys talking about`
`23:03.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why would you set array[1] = 1?`
`23:03.47`	`DivinityOne`	`How to register the player to each array`
`23:03.57`	`A1win`	`what do you mean by registering?`
`23:04.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah im confused`
`23:04.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`by that :P`
`23:04.07`	`A1win`	`it's just values in the array, not links to players`
`23:04.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`exactly`
`23:04.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`23:04.18`	`A1win`	`the index already is the connection between the array and the player`
`23:04.25`	`DivinityOne`	`Well he wants a pwoer bar for each :p`
`23:04.40`	`DivinityOne`	`Bear with me a moment ;p`
`23:04.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`right...`
`23:04.51`	`A1win`	`then don't talk about "registering" :P`
`23:05.07`	`DivinityOne`	`to get the exact number of a player.... you need to pikc them... and it returns their exact number.. then you call the corissponding array number with that`
`23:05.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no you dont`
`23:05.16`	`DivinityOne`	`I used a bad term sorry ;p`
`23:05.36`	`DivinityOne`	`What if a player drops or leaves game?`
`23:05.47`	`DivinityOne`	`it could shift the arrays data if hes not useign exact player numbers`
`23:05.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no it cant`
`23:06.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`player 4 will always be player 4`
`23:06.18`	`A1win`	`For each IntegerVariable in Player Group, do actions: Do something for IntegerVariable <- this does "something" for every player in the "Player Group"`
`23:06.19`	`DivinityOne`	`It can depending on how you call the players`
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`23:06.53`	`DivinityOne`	`if your calling all players after someone drops out... it registers 4 players when their was 5... so then do once for each player in player group... it can skip a number`
`23:06.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`if palyer 3 leaves the game player 3 is a null value`
`23:07.02`	`DivinityOne`	`beacuse there are only 4... not 5 now`
`23:07.04`	`DivinityOne`	`for example`
`23:07.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you dont call all players...`
`23:07.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why would you do that`
`23:07.22`	`RenegadeRabbit`	`Hiya guys`
`23:07.25`	`DivinityOne`	`beacuse some poeple do :p`
`23:07.39`	`A1win`	`DivinityOne, it refers to players by their exact number by default, you don't need any extra steps for that`
`23:07.46`	`DivinityOne`	`its better to be very exact with the triggers. then 'well there s a right way and wrogn way'`
`23:08.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`when you referance an array you use a interger loop or the tirggering player or something like that`
`23:08.06`	`A1win`	`you'd have to use the "Player from player group" function if you wanted a player's index in a player group, otherwise it just refers to the player's number`
`23:08.48`	`A1win`	`(which is what's wanted)`
`23:08.51`	`DivinityOne`	`There is an issue with refrencing the number of players players. if a player leaves. if you do once for all players... and there are less players then are in game... an array can shift beacuse it no longer dose the step for the absent player... so number 5 drops down a slot in the action que`
`23:09.11`	`A1win`	`DivinityOne, noo :P`
`23:09.18`	`A1win`	`that's not right`
`23:09.31`	`DivinityOne`	`In certin triggers/situations it is`
`23:09.36`	`A1win`	`the number of players drops, but the player numbers remain unchanged`
`23:09.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`23:09.50`	`DivinityOne`	`Im nto talking about player number`
`23:09.54`	`A1win`	`a player's number never changes`
`23:09.57`	`DivinityOne`	`im talking the number of players`
`23:10.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but hes saying if you first get how many players that are playing...`
`23:10.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and then you do a loop based on that`
`23:10.08`	`A1win`	`DivinityOne, but what's that got to do with anything?`
`23:10.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it can be off`
`23:10.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`which only a fucking tard would do`
`23:10.23`	`A1win`	`you don't need to use number of players for anything related to this`
`23:10.51`	`DivinityOne`	`Depends on how you want to do the loop`
`23:11.01`	`A1win`	`just use "For each player in player group" action`
`23:11.24`	`A1win`	`yeah, you can do it the easy way or the hard way ;p "for each player" is the easy way`
`23:11.28`	`DivinityOne`	`You can do a 1 line loop to make a pwoer bar for every player, a right way, or a wrong way. i was jsut exaplaing why you want to be exact lol`
`23:11.30`	`Vailreth`	`i do not want to use a bunch of loops i only want one if i have to have it`
`23:11.40`	`Daara`	`need ppl so i can make a video`
`23:11.45`	`Daara`	`need 4+ ppl`
`23:11.58`	`Daara`	`log onto b.net and add Daara.565`
`23:11.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`there is nothing wrong with loops... if you do it right`
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`23:12.36`	`Vailreth`	`updating every ones bar in a single loop would be stupid if you ask me`
`23:12.49`	`DivinityOne`	`nope`
`23:12.54`	`DivinityOne`	`beacuse its only 1 line`
`23:12.59`	`DivinityOne`	`if done right`
`23:13.16`	`A1win`	`what causes the values to change?`
`23:13.22`	`Vailreth`	`but i dont want to update everys bar every time anyose bar charges`
`23:13.25`	`Vailreth`	`changes`
`23:13.30`	`A1win`	`if it's triggers, you shouldn't have a loop to update them, but instead update them whenever they change`
`23:13.42`	`A1win`	`you should just use the loop to create them`
`23:13.45`	`A1win`	`not update them`
`23:14.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah you would update it with other triggers depending on how it updates`
`23:14.36`	`Vailreth`	`sigh maybe i will just drop this feature and rework my ui`
`23:14.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and referancing it with killing playing, triggering player...`
`23:15.10`	`A1win`	`we're just arguing what's the best way to do it instead of actually helping him ;p`
`23:15.24`	`DivinityOne`	`yea :p we suck lol`
`23:15.34`	`Vailreth`	`i agree`
`23:15.39`	`Vailreth`	`>...>`
`23:15.48`	`Vailreth`	`at least at helping in this instance`
`23:15.51`	`DivinityOne`	`Well what updates the owerbar?`
`23:15.57`	`DivinityOne`	`powerbar* what even changes power?`
`23:16.03`	`DivinityOne`	`ebent*`
`23:16.06`	`DivinityOne`	`event**`
`23:16.07`	`A1win`	`I'm using soo many loops through arrays in my map that I start to see red when people talk irrelevant stuff about loops and arrays :P`
`23:16.13`	`Vailreth`	`when the hero for the player kills a unit`
`23:16.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Haha, yeah we are so bad :D`
`23:16.53`	`A1win`	`you should see my power grid system`
`23:16.58`	`DivinityOne`	`wait vail...`
`23:17.12`	`DivinityOne`	`isnt this that trigger i already gave you for returnign energy from structures?`
`23:17.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so you would update the array like array[killing player]`
`23:17.31`	`DivinityOne`	`or i told someone it... i dont know if they passed it along`
`23:17.40`	`A1win`	`it supports 256 power grids, and a total of 256 structures that can be connected to a power grid... it'd all be SO much easier using objects instead of arrays, but what can I do...`
`23:18.04`	`A1win`	`the code is all over the place instead of neatly in one place, like it'd be with objects`
`23:18.06`	`Vailreth`	`i do not need energy returend from structures`
`23:18.07`	`DivinityOne`	`take a zergling to the knee?`
`23:18.13`	`Daara`	`ugh`
`23:18.17`	`Daara`	`b.net likes to drop me`
`23:18.23`	`Daara`	`i wonder if it's the dependancy`
`23:18.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`I know what you mean though A1 my zombie map was only loops :D`
`23:18.39`	`Daara`	`i haven't noticed other people getting dropped though`
`23:18.42`	`DivinityOne`	`Vail you had techno helping you. or someone. and i gave tem the very simple exact trigger to use`
`23:19.03`	`Vailreth`	`ah THAT`
`23:19.04`	`DivinityOne`	`that very same trigger can be sued to update pwoer bar`
`23:19.15`	`DivinityOne`	`use*`
`23:19.28`	`Vailreth`	`i have no clue what the trigger was but this is the situation i needed it for`
`23:19.32`	`DivinityOne`	`it updates on power, no exstra check. jsut return an update`
`23:19.35`	`DivinityOne`	`after the pwoers given`
`23:20.14`	`Vailreth`	`my issue is how ever how to use an array to players individual power bars`
`23:20.19`	`DivinityOne`	`so your not constant checking any other units... or conditions. the events already happened. so just give the power and update bar for triggering player`
`23:20.36`	`A1win`	`I feel like every time I get one more feature completed for my map, I've already thought of 2-3 new ones that I need to implement before I can realease :<`
`23:20.58`	`Vailreth`	`you need to stop that A1 or you will never release`
`23:20.59`	`DivinityOne`	`A1win i feel you...`
`23:21.10`	`Vailreth`	`but i know hwat you are going through`
`23:21.12`	`A1win`	`well it's close now D:`
`23:21.15`	`DivinityOne`	`im no longer working on my map... but animatiosnf ro doodads to improve my map..`
`23:21.23`	`DivinityOne`	`for*`
`23:21.40`	`DivinityOne`	`like i jsut made the super crane have a sleep and power down animation`
`23:21.47`	`DivinityOne`	`which it was missing`
`23:22.02`	`Vailreth`	`i guess what i need to do is assign each value on the array to a player who is active`
`23:22.04`	`DivinityOne`	`i might even turn it into a boss with animated attacks...`
`23:22.10`	`A1win`	`just need to add thor... and a way to get him not too early in the game... and same for planetary fortress... and then some zerg bases to guard the main objectives, and a "hearthstone" teleport`
`23:22.50`	`A1win`	`all which sound easy except that they all need a lot of stuff added because the whole system is so complicated x.x`
`23:23.11`	`A1win`	`and then I need to balance it all`
`23:23.53`	`DivinityOne`	`balancing = http://www.andrewsdomain.net/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/misc/serious-business-police.jpg`
`23:24.17`	`Vailreth`	`should i use records or atleast one to collect the vriables i will be using for each player ?`
`23:24.28`	`Vailreth`	`or have each variable be an array for each player?`
`23:24.31`	`A1win`	`might be a good idea to keep things more compact`
`23:24.47`	`Daara`	`sigh`
`23:24.52`	`Daara`	`i keep getting dropped`
`23:24.58`	`Vailreth`	`sorry i cant help Daara`
`23:24.59`	`A1win`	`don't put different kinds of variables into the same array even if their types are same`
`23:25.00`	`DivinityOne`	`turn yuor torrents off...`
`23:25.03`	`A1win`	`that gets very confusing`
`23:25.17`	`Daara`	`i dno't have anything on`
`23:25.23`	`DivinityOne`	`Well an array is like a grid :p`
`23:25.45`	`A1win`	`or.. an array! D:`
`23:25.47`	`A1win`	`gasp`
`23:25.47`	`DivinityOne`	`As long as YOU know which colume/row has which data its good.... just make sure to document what your doing`
`23:26.12`	`A1win`	`there's no point in having irrelevant things in the same array`
`23:26.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`I like to use comment s:D`
`23:26.24`	`A1win`	`it's useless, and confusing, because the array can only have one name`
`23:26.33`	`Vailreth`	`as soon as i have everything figured out i get to go back and rework everything else for mutiple players`
`23:26.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well if the data in an array is for one thing but has many diffrent meanings :P`
`23:27.00`	`DivinityOne`	`Yes so you name it PlayerBank... and store all the data there you want... and make it harder for anyone else to understand unless their the devloper ;p`
`23:27.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but yeah if you hold data for more than one thing its kinda pointless`
`23:27.29`	`DivinityOne`	`type of data... yes`
`23:27.47`	`DivinityOne`	`but if you conver them all to intigers....`
`23:28.01`	`DivinityOne`	`:p`
`23:28.12`	`A1win`	`let's say you want an array of how many dogs the player has, and how many cats he has... you'd have one array for PlayerDogs and another for PlayerCats`
`23:28.34`	`DivinityOne`	`Or PlayerHas with colume 1 being dogs and colume 2 being cats...`
`23:28.54`	`A1win`	`you can't give names to columns`
`23:29.04`	`DivinityOne`	`you dont need to name the colume`
`23:29.08`	`DivinityOne`	`you just need to know what it is`
`23:29.11`	`A1win`	`<.<`
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`23:29.20`	`A1win`	`I said confusing, not impossible`
`23:29.25`	`DivinityOne`	`Thats why you document`
`23:29.28`	`DivinityOne`	`yes`
`23:29.29`	`DivinityOne`	`:p`
`23:29.41`	`A1win`	`the name of the variable is a part of the documentation`
`23:29.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah but its pointless`
`23:29.49`	`DivinityOne`	`Im happing that i know what it is, im not makeing a map for people to pick apart :3`
`23:30.07`	`DivinityOne`	`I dont doucment it in the map :p`
`23:30.13`	`DivinityOne`	`I document outside the map lol`
`23:30.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you are using the same amount of space and are causing more confusion`
`23:30.37`	`DivinityOne`	`Not for me`
`23:30.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`having two arrays is your better bet`
`23:30.41`	`DivinityOne`	`but if anyone edits my map yea`
`23:30.43`	`A1win`	`why do you care so much about people not being able to "hack it open"?`
`23:30.51`	`DivinityOne`	`I dont :p`
`23:30.58`	`DivinityOne`	`its jsut my prefrence for how i work`
`23:31.05`	`DivinityOne`	`I like to keep data tabled`
`23:31.07`	`A1win`	`it sounds ass-backwards to me D:`
`23:31.14`	`DivinityOne`	`if it has similar relivence`
`23:31.18`	`A1win`	`making things confusing on purpose`
`23:31.25`	`DivinityOne`	`Id rather have half a dozen arays then 20`
`23:31.47`	`A1win`	`well the dog/cat example was a fringe case`
`23:31.49`	`DivinityOne`	`The editor will quickly get crwoded`
`23:32.09`	`DivinityOne`	`The kind of ways i plan to ahndel data it makes sence to have large tables`
`23:32.16`	`A1win`	`but let's say you have to keep track of the number of dogs a player has, and how much food each of his cats eats`
`23:32.17`	`DivinityOne`	`instead a long array for each field`
`23:32.43`	`Vailreth`	`OK`
`23:32.47`	`DivinityOne`	`Same thing... jsut table it up like you would a proper database`
`23:32.55`	`Vailreth`	`how would i get all actice players?`
`23:33.12`	`DivinityOne`	`pick each player in palyer group.. picked player...`
`23:33.18`	`DivinityOne`	`all players`
`23:33.49`	`DivinityOne`	`that would return a number for each player playing`
`23:34.11`	`A1win`	`so you have a variable array called NumberOfPlayerDogsInColumnOneAndHowMuchFoodHisCatsEatInColumnTwo[n][m]`
`23:34.16`	`A1win`	`that's great :P`
`23:34.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`very great`
`23:34.33`	`DivinityOne`	`No i Just call it PlayerHas`
`23:34.39`	`Vailreth`	`fuck it im removing this feature...`
`23:34.42`	`A1win`	`that's even worse`
`23:34.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`even more confusing`
`23:34.44`	`DivinityOne`	`why do i need to name it in editor if i know what it is?`
`23:34.51`	`A1win`	`it doesn't tell anything about what the variable is for`
`23:34.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`WOW vailreth give up to easy`
`23:35.05`	`A1win`	`because you might forget if the map gets very big`
`23:35.33`	`DivinityOne`	`A1win my question is this, why are you insistant it needs to be made so everyone can read it?`
`23:35.40`	`A1win`	`when you're looking at the variable list and see "PlayerHas" instead of "PlayerDogs" and you're looking for the place that stored player's dogs...`
`23:35.45`	`DivinityOne`	`Thats why i keep a detailed design document! lol`
`23:36.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and what happens when you lose it`
`23:36.08`	`DivinityOne`	`lol`
`23:36.09`	`A1win`	`I don't keep a document`
`23:36.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you are fucked`
`23:36.15`	`DivinityOne`	`My computer would need to break`
`23:36.17`	`A1win`	`and I don't care if anyone reads my map`
`23:36.21`	`DivinityOne`	`and id lsoe the map anyway`
`23:36.33`	`A1win`	`I name my variables well so that they instantly remind me what they are for`
`23:36.37`	`DivinityOne`	`WTH is with the hate, i jsut have a diffrent way of working then you`
`23:36.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol cause you make no sense :D`
`23:36.57`	`A1win`	`I don't care how you do it`
`23:37.00`	`DivinityOne`	`Well i know what my veriables are lol, i dont need the reminder. Thats why my way works for me`
`23:37.05`	`A1win`	`you're just telling others to do it like that too`
`23:37.13`	`DivinityOne`	`Im not`
`23:37.17`	`DivinityOne`	`im exaplingign how i do it`
`23:37.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you kinda did :P`
`23:37.22`	`DivinityOne`	`im nto tellign anyone to do it my way`
`23:37.34`	`DivinityOne`	`no i said it 'can' be done my way`
`23:37.34`	`A1win`	`and I'm explaining how I do it because I think it is a smarter way o:`
`23:37.37`	`DivinityOne`	`i never said it should`
`23:38.06`	`DivinityOne`	`Its a cleaner way, spesialy great if the maps passed around to other devs :p`
`23:38.16`	`DivinityOne`	`But i dont think anyone but me will work on my map lol`
`23:38.25`	`DivinityOne`	`so i do it in my own style that suits me`
`23:38.26`	`Vailreth`	`if one of you people would be kind enough to tell me how do i assign my array values to their corisponding players???`
`23:38.39`	`DivinityOne`	`Easy`
`23:39.07`	`A1win`	`if I had variables like that with the amount of big map projects I have, even with my awesome memory I'd probably get confused when opening a map and looking at variables that have names that don't make sense`
`23:39.17`	`DivinityOne`	`Set verialbe/mod veriable... Array[tiggering player]`
`23:39.27`	`DivinityOne`	`thats all you need`
`23:39.35`	`Vailreth`	`i have no clue what that means`
`23:39.47`	`A1win`	`use the Set Variable function`
`23:39.49`	`A1win`	`or Modify Variable`
`23:39.52`	`DivinityOne`	`Lets say this then..`
`23:40.02`	`Vailreth`	`THATS NOT WHAT IM ASKING`
`23:40.12`	`DivinityOne`	`Unit dies....`
`23:40.14`	`A1win`	`what is it, then?`
`23:40.20`	`DivinityOne`	`Let me exaplin`
`23:40.23`	`Vailreth`	`i have a 10 value array...`
`23:40.29`	`Vailreth`	`all values are 0`
`23:40.44`	`DivinityOne`	`Okay whats starting pwoer?`
`23:40.46`	`Vailreth`	`i need to make each player use one of those values`
`23:40.56`	`Vailreth`	`0`
`23:41.02`	`DivinityOne`	`okay then use this`
`23:41.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`player 1 is 1 and player 2 is 2`
`23:41.18`	`DivinityOne`	`Do you have my trigger i gave you?`
`23:41.21`	`Vailreth`	`no`
`23:41.24`	`DivinityOne`	`for energy on kill?`
`23:41.26`	`DivinityOne`	`ugh..`
`23:41.32`	`DivinityOne`	`I need to remake it then`
`23:41.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`set variable array[#] = something`
`23:41.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`# is player number`
`23:41.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or killing player or such`
`23:42.07`	`Vailreth`	`but how do i get the Player to use the array index`
`23:42.08`	`A1win`	`uff I'll just go to sleep, explaining arrays isn't actually the best way to spend a night`
`23:42.17`	`DivinityOne`	`Unit dies... add 10 energy to Array[killing player]`
`23:42.32`	`DivinityOne`	`instead of a number for the array index`
`23:42.34`	`DivinityOne`	`you use a funtion`
`23:42.38`	`A1win`	`Vailreth, players are Integer values, array indexes are integer values`
`23:42.40`	`DivinityOne`	`for the player`
`23:42.46`	`Vailreth`	`i know that A!`
`23:42.51`	`Vailreth`	`A1`
`23:42.52`	`*** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (~tigger0jk@dynamic2-247-010.usc.edu)`
`23:42.53`	`A1win`	`then what's the problem D:`
`23:43.09`	`DivinityOne`	`jsut use a funtion for the index nuber to repersent the tiggering/killing player`
`23:43.10`	`A1win`	`just put the player you want in the place of the array index`
`23:43.16`	`Vailreth`	`how the god damned fuck to i connect the two ...`
`23:43.26`	`DivinityOne`	`lol Vail`
`23:43.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Vail you dont need to`
`23:43.34`	`Vailreth`	`thats what i have no clue how to do a1`
`23:43.45`	`DivinityOne`	`i jsut told you`
`23:43.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`player 1 will always = value of 1`
`23:43.54`	`A1win`	`you have an Array[index], click on the "index", go to Functions tab, search for a function that has to do with player`
`23:44.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so array[1] is player 1`
`23:44.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`array[2] is player 2`
`23:44.22`	`A1win`	`for example "Owner of unit", then you'd have Array[Owner of unit]`
`23:44.24`	`DivinityOne`	`Array[1] thats array index 1.... if you do array[triggering player] in a tigger... and that player is player 1... tis array[1]`
`23:44.33`	`Vailreth`	`good god you are all useless`
`23:44.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no we are not`
`23:44.46`	`DivinityOne`	`your not lsitening`
`23:44.46`	`A1win`	`or simply Array[1] = 10, this would set player 1's value to 10`
`23:44.52`	`Vailreth`	`i am listening`
`23:44.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what are you not getting?`
`23:45.02`	`Vailreth`	`nothing you are saying is helping`
`23:45.11`	`A1win`	`then you're not asking the right questions`
`23:45.12`	`DivinityOne`	`If you ad energy to killing player, make that Array[killing player]`
`23:45.15`	`DivinityOne`	`if you want to update bar`
`23:45.32`	`DivinityOne`	`update bar for triggering player with array[triggering player]`
`23:45.33`	`Vailreth`	`its not about updating the bar i can already do that fine`
`23:45.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`then what is it?`
`23:46.04`	`Vailreth`	`its about getting the player say player 1 to use index 1 of the power array`
`23:46.18`	`DivinityOne`	`you dont need to`
`23:46.21`	`Vailreth`	`how do i point player 1 there and say this is yours`
`23:46.23`	`DivinityOne`	`jsut lsiten 1 sec`
`23:46.23`	`A1win`	`you don't need to do anything to make him "use" it`
`23:46.35`	`DivinityOne`	`You jsut need wild cards...`
`23:46.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`wtf do you think we just said :D`
`23:46.41`	`DivinityOne`	`like triggerign player, active player etc`
`23:46.42`	`A1win`	`Vailreth, it is his by definition`
`23:46.50`	`Vailreth`	`how???`
`23:46.58`	`DivinityOne`	`they will return the active number peroperly`
`23:47.04`	`A1win`	`< A1win> Vailreth, players are Integer values, array indexes are integer values`
`23:47.04`	`Vailreth`	`sorry for saying you are all useless but my brain is baking here`
`23:47.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`player 1 will always be array[1]`
`23:47.06`	`DivinityOne`	`jsut use triggerign player. and killing player`
`23:47.27`	`A1win`	`it's all about how you reference the array, there's no magic to it`
`23:47.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you can substitute the array # for any referance such as killing player`
`23:47.54`	`A1win`	`it's just an indexed list of variables, and you use the player numbers as the index`
`23:48.09`	`Vailreth`	`what are you taking about`
`23:48.15`	`DivinityOne`	`And triggering player/killing player funtion returns their exact number.`
`23:48.16`	`Vailreth`	`there is no player array`
`23:48.27`	`A1win`	`read up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Array_data_structure`
`23:48.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`array[player number]`
`23:48.52`	`Vailreth`	`ok... that helps a little`
`23:48.56`	`DivinityOne`	`Vail. imagin triggering player as a number.`
`23:49.07`	`DivinityOne`	`if im player 1 and i do something... triggering player = 1`
`23:49.14`	`DivinityOne`	`if im player 3... triggerign player = 3`
`23:49.30`	`DivinityOne`	`its a wildcard`
`23:49.34`	`Vailreth`	`but instead of just player number could i get the player numbers of active players?`
`23:49.46`	`DivinityOne`	`No need`
`23:49.51`	`DivinityOne`	`why not use triggering player?`
`23:50.10`	`Vailreth`	`becuase there will be no players triggering the events`
`23:50.24`	`DivinityOne`	`dosnt ti trigger on killing?`
`23:50.27`	`DivinityOne`	`or eergy change?`
`23:50.38`	`Vailreth`	`thast not what im trying to do`
`23:50.56`	`DivinityOne`	`you dont need to link the arrays.... they will be linked through the other triggers`
`23:50.57`	`A1win`	`how about you describe what EXACTLY you want to do instead of making us guess ;p`
`23:50.57`	`Vailreth`	`Alpha was closest to what i need with his Last comment`
`23:51.03`	`DivinityOne`	`you dont need to say index 1 is == player 1`
`23:51.16`	`Vailreth`	`ive already descibed it two or three times`
`23:51.39`	`Vailreth`	`thats exactly what i need to say`
`23:51.51`	`Vailreth`	`unless you can explain why i dont`
`23:51.53`	`DivinityOne`	`but you dont NEED to lol`
`23:51.53`	`A1win`	`you don't need to SAY it, you just need to use it`
`23:52.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`unit dies...`
`23:52.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`a player has to tirgger the event`
`23:52.29`	`DivinityOne`	`Im player 3.... and i kill a unit. This is what the trigger WILL look like. Add 10 to Array[killing player]`
`23:52.29`	`A1win`	`you can't tell the computer to "always use this index for this player", because you are the one who will use it, not the computer`
`23:52.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what A1 said`
`23:52.37`	`DivinityOne`	`that wil be index 3`
`23:53.14`	`Vailreth`	`i am not trying to tell the computer to always use the same index for the same player`
`23:53.18`	`DivinityOne`	`killing player, triggering player. is the exact number of the player who fires/uses the trigger.`
`23:53.34`	`Vailreth`	`im trying to tell it to use diffrent indeices for diffrent players dynamically`
`23:53.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Vailreth it always will use the same values`
`23:53.37`	`DivinityOne`	`and if you have 9 index;s`
`23:53.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`players number never change`
`23:53.43`	`DivinityOne`	`each player is asigned their own`
`23:53.46`	`DivinityOne`	`based on their number`
`23:53.53`	`DivinityOne`	`synamicly`
`23:53.55`	`A1win`	`Vailreth, you can't tell it that, you need to use them like that`
`23:53.58`	`DivinityOne`	`dynamicly`
`23:54.23`	`DivinityOne`	`Vail. it will dynamicly update :p`
`23:54.27`	`DivinityOne`	`dont worry your head over it`
`23:54.33`	`DivinityOne`	`jsut use triggering or killing player`
`23:54.34`	`A1win`	`Vailreth, you're making this way more complicated than it is :P`
`23:54.35`	`DivinityOne`	`it WILL work`
`23:54.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`player 1 will always be player 1`
`23:54.47`	`Vailreth`	`thats true`
`23:55.05`	`Vailreth`	`but i may want player 1 to use the 9th index`
`23:55.10`	`DivinityOne`	`jsut make the triggers be none player spesific.. and use the wildcards. it will do the rest`
`23:55.11`	`A1win`	`why?`
`23:55.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`vailreth you just...`
`23:55.44`	`A1win`	`if you want player 1 to use the 9th index and playr 2 use 10th index and so on, then you'd just do Array[player number + 8]`
`23:55.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fail`
`23:55.51`	`DivinityOne`	`if your jsut storing a number... it dosnt matter where you store it lol`
`23:55.59`	`DivinityOne`	`as long as you can refrence it cleanly`
`23:56.06`	`Vailreth`	`ok let me try to explain`
`23:56.07`	`DivinityOne`	`and know who it belongs to`
`23:56.19`	`A1win`	`but the whole point of even using an array is to keep this clear, so that it's EASY to reference the right place`
`23:56.37`	`DivinityOne`	`exactly ;p`
`23:56.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`there is no need for player 1 to be indexed as value 9... thats jsut more work`
`23:56.39`	`Vailreth`	`players 1,6,and 7 maye be on team one ... values 1,2 and three...`
`23:56.50`	`A1win`	`Vailreth, no, don't do that :P`
`23:56.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah so`
`23:57.01`	`DivinityOne`	`what team their on dosnt matter`
`23:57.03`	`A1win`	`what's team number got to do with any of this?`
`23:57.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`NOTHING!`
`23:57.12`	`Vailreth`	`so what happens when i want to apply a team energy bonus ?`
`23:57.22`	`A1win`	`you give it to all players in that team`
`23:57.37`	`DivinityOne`	`and have triggering players energy update :p`
`23:57.43`	`A1win`	`For each PlayerVariable in Team Player Group, do actions: give bonus to PlayerVariable`
`23:57.45`	`DivinityOne`	`or picked player in player group, team 1`
`23:58.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah...`
`23:58.14`	`A1win`	`if Team Player Group is 1, 6, 7, then that for each loop would give the bonus to 1, 6 and 7`
`23:58.50`	`DivinityOne`	`and jsut have a do oncce for each veriable in player in player gorup, team one) add 10 to array[picked player]`
`23:59.48`	`DivinityOne`	`every player on team 1 would then get 10 energy`

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