| 00:01.38 | DivinityOne | Well how do you put a unit/modle in a dialuge |
| 00:01.42 | DivinityOne | its the exact same thing |
| 00:03.18 | DeP | That's also probably Render to Texture. |
| 00:08.30 | Daara | lkasjlfkdjoiwe |
| 00:08.37 | Daara | broken ass editor! |
| 00:08.53 | Eldrazor | daara you're just broken |
| 00:08.58 | Daara | :( |
| 00:09.08 | Daara | stupid ability does 700 damage ish when it's set to do 0 damage |
| 00:09.10 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 00:09.11 | Daara | it makes no sense! |
| 00:09.12 | Eldrazor | divinityone |
| 00:09.15 | Eldrazor | i think you can make models |
| 00:09.17 | Eldrazor | in dialogs |
| 00:09.23 | Ahli | is the ability attacking 1400 times? |
| 00:09.24 | DivinityOne | I know |
| 00:09.32 | Daara | nope |
| 00:09.51 | Daara | it applies its damage a 1 yard radius of where the missile hits |
| 00:09.58 | DivinityOne | afk a few |
| 00:10.05 | Daara | and the damage is set to 0 lol |
| 00:10.09 | Daara | but its doing like 40+ |
| 00:10.37 | DeP | The editor does have some junky parts. Footprints, memory leaks, not having any way to constrain movement of brushes... <.< |
| 00:10.45 | Vailreth | id hae to see it to diagnose im sorry |
| 00:10.51 | Eldrazor | give feedback |
| 00:10.53 | Eldrazor | in blizzard thread |
| 00:11.11 | Daara | vail it's an exact copy of yours -_- |
| 00:11.20 | Daara | nothing is different |
| 00:11.31 | DeP | Heheh. Feedback. *Does damage proportional to your energy.* |
| 00:12.20 | Daara | FieldHero - Blizzard Effect: Effect +(Blizzard Create Persistant [Level 1]|Blizzard Create Persistant [Level 2]|Blizzard Create Persistant [Level 3]) |
| 00:12.25 | A1win | the minimum amount of damage that can be caused doesn't mean that all damage amounts less than that would be rounded up to 0.5, they just simply don't cause any damage |
| 00:12.51 | Vailreth | i mean the whole map |
| 00:12.58 | Daara | FieldBlizzard Create Persistant [Level 1] Effect: Period Effects +(Blizzard Launch Missile [Level 1]) |
| 00:13.22 | Daara | FieldBlizzard Launch Missile [Level 1] Effect: Impact EffectBlizzard Splash Area [Level 1] |
| 00:13.47 | Daara | FieldBlizzard Splash Area [Level 1] Search: Areas +(360):(-1):(1):(0):(Blizzard Apply Behavior [Level 1]) |
| 00:14.00 | Daara | FieldBlizzard Apply Behavior [Level 1] Behavior: BehaviorBlizzard [Level 1] |
| 00:14.17 | Daara | FieldBlizzard [Level 1] Effect: Effect - InitialBlizzard Damage [Level 1] |
| 00:14.24 | Daara | FieldBlizzard [Level 1] Effect: Refresh EffectBlizzard Damage [Level 1] |
| 00:14.46 | Daara | FieldBlizzard Damage [Level 1] Combat: Amount0 |
| 00:16.29 | DeP | True, so if you apply a behavior that has a damage response (chance = 1, modify minimum = enabled, minimum = 0, minimum clamp = 0) to the target unit, it shouldn't be hurt by Blizzard. |
| 00:17.13 | Daara | yes but i want it to be hurt |
| 00:17.20 | Daara | just not the amount of damage it's doing |
| 00:17.30 | Daara | its literally doing 700 damage to units in the aoe |
| 00:17.51 | Daara | i'm pasting it into a new map |
| 00:17.53 | DeP | So then you set your damage to 1/1400th of the total damage you want it to do, after you've done the damage response part I just mentioned. |
| 00:17.59 | Vailreth | you are not changing the damage via catalog or anything? |
| 00:18.26 | DeP | This guy's right. "[18:12] <A1win> the minimum amount of damage that can be caused doesn't mean that all damage amounts less than that would be rounded up to 0.5, they just simply don't cause any damage" |
| 00:18.34 | Daara | where you had yours listed doing 5 , 10, or 15 damage i changed that |
| 00:18.36 | Daara | and that's it |
| 00:18.52 | DeP | 0.5 is the default minimum damage, so that's your problem. |
| 00:19.02 | Vailreth | no |
| 00:19.26 | Vailreth | at zero damage my ability does zero damage |
| 00:19.38 | Vailreth | there is another issue |
| 00:19.58 | Daara | hold on i'm pasting it to a new map i'll see if it's just my map that is fucking it up |
| 00:20.08 | Vailreth | ok |
| 00:26.46 | Vailreth | making maps with the help of multple contributers would be m,uch easier if they had abetter way to combining assets then copy paste |
| 00:29.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@182-239-212-41.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 00:34.23 | Daara | its doing 0 damage on this map -_- |
| 00:34.32 | Daara | even the the actors are messed up |
| 00:35.26 | Daara | does correct damage when i set it to |
| 00:35.44 | DeP | o.o |
| 00:38.31 | A1win | minimum damage is the minimum damage that is REQUIRED to cause damage, not it is not the minimum value that any damage will cause |
| 00:39.07 | A1win | doing 1400 times 0 damage does 0 damage, doing 1400 0.1 damage does 0 damage, doing 1400 times 0.5 damage does 700 damage |
| 00:39.27 | A1win | *times 0.1 damage |
| 00:39.37 | DeP | "Minimum Clamp" is what clamps the minimum to at least <value>. |
| 00:40.02 | Daara | it has nothing to do with my values |
| 00:40.11 | Daara | i transported it from one map to another |
| 00:40.19 | Daara | and it doesn't the correct damage in the one |
| 00:40.24 | Daara | i just transported it to |
| 00:40.37 | Daara | does* |
| 00:44.48 | Eldrazor | guys |
| 00:44.56 | Eldrazor | what'd be a good projectile for a healing projectile? |
| 00:44.58 | Eldrazor | i have one now |
| 00:45.03 | Eldrazor | which causes ppl to attack me if i heal them |
| 00:45.09 | Eldrazor | because they think i'm dealing damage... |
| 00:45.41 | DeP | I think you can change that in the effect data, if I'm not mistaken... lemme look... |
| 00:46.16 | DeP | AI Notify Flags -> Help Friend might have to do with it, but that's not what I'm thinking of. |
| 00:46.26 | Eldrazor | no |
| 00:46.29 | Eldrazor | it's about player-controlled people |
| 00:46.34 | Eldrazor | who are like "wtf you doing *shoot*" |
| 00:46.36 | Vailreth | so it doesnt work correctly in the new map? |
| 00:46.41 | DivinityOne | ugh |
| 00:46.42 | DeP | Oh.Hahaha. |
| 00:46.54 | DivinityOne | I cant find how to put a unit in a dialgue |
| 00:47.02 | Eldrazor | but i don't know what projectile i should use :/ |
| 00:47.18 | DeP | How about using the health pickup model? |
| 00:47.25 | Eldrazor | pretty good idea |
| 00:47.37 | Eldrazor | but that looks kind of stupid |
| 00:47.47 | Eldrazor | seeing a box with +es on it move towards you :P |
| 00:47.52 | DeP | Hehe. |
| 00:48.07 | Eldrazor | i have some acid thingy now |
| 00:48.09 | DeP | Otherwise, I was thinking "something green and squishy," which also might look negative. <.< |
| 00:48.09 | Eldrazor | cuz it looked biological |
| 00:48.13 | Eldrazor | i have that |
| 00:48.16 | DeP | Ha. |
| 00:48.18 | Eldrazor | i have leviathan acid spew thingy |
| 00:48.30 | Eldrazor | but i have to yell at them "IT'S A HEAL" to make them stop attacking me |
| 00:48.32 | Eldrazor | :P |
| 00:48.38 | DeP | How about hooking up a healing actor to the impact effect to cause a + to float above them or something? |
| 00:48.50 | Eldrazor | good idea |
| 01:03.05 | DivinityOne | my map will = awsome! |
| 01:03.22 | Daara | this is really starting to annoy me |
| 01:03.39 | Daara | i have no idea what is causing this damage |
| 01:04.10 | DivinityOne | i can have a look |
| 01:04.20 | DeP | I'm working on some awesome right now, too, DivinityOne! <.< |
| 01:04.33 | DivinityOne | i bet... 60 actors for a roof thing? |
| 01:04.50 | DeP | Haha, yup... |
| 01:04.57 | DivinityOne | Scary ;p |
| 01:05.26 | DivinityOne | mines more of a theme map, zombie survival outbreak thing. but a more real rpg/game feel to it then kill the hords! |
| 01:05.53 | DivinityOne | it has quests, objectives... attributes and liveing systems (need food/water/rest) etc |
| 01:06.17 | DeP | Mine's kind of like TMNT 2 and 3 for NES--a sidescrolling arcade game. |
| 01:06.18 | DivinityOne | going to take me months to finish... lawl |
| 01:06.27 | DivinityOne | cool! |
| 01:06.34 | DivinityOne | streets of fury! |
| 01:06.40 | DivinityOne | contra? |
| 01:06.41 | DeP | It's 4-player, but of course it's laggy as heck on Battle.Net. :P |
| 01:06.54 | DeP | More like TMNT than Contra--there's 3-dimensional movement. |
| 01:07.01 | DivinityOne | lagg is normaly from the wasd movement... |
| 01:07.07 | DivinityOne | ahh |
| 01:07.25 | DivinityOne | i found a very lag free wasd movement system other day |
| 01:07.43 | Daara | i doesn't lag in single player generally |
| 01:07.50 | Daara | its when you go online that its like OMG WTF |
| 01:07.50 | DivinityOne | i dont plan to use it for my map of course, only thing i have in my map is locked 3ed person camera with abiltiy to rotate it |
| 01:08.18 | DivinityOne | Well the system i found says uip to 16 player lag free... |
| 01:08.28 | DivinityOne | want me to find it? |
| 01:08.31 | DivinityOne | it was very simple |
| 01:09.03 | DivinityOne | but thats just the movement aspect. i bet you have other things that lag ;p |
| 01:10.08 | DeP | Heh, nope, actually, the movement is the only part of the gameplay mechanics I've implemented--that and jumping. |
| 01:10.32 | DivinityOne | well i'll link you the movement i found |
| 01:10.35 | DivinityOne | is exstremly simple |
| 01:10.41 | DeP | I'm a seasoned programmer, so I'm implementing some techniques to minimize the possibility of CPU-based lag. |
| 01:11.15 | JademusSreg | What's the topic? |
| 01:11.17 | DivinityOne | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXYv-auwp8 |
| 01:11.27 | DivinityOne | that system, works so well |
| 01:11.37 | DivinityOne | i dl'ed his test map.. and it works perfect |
| 01:12.00 | DivinityOne | i made my own wasd movement before, but his is lag free. mine wasnt |
| 01:12.37 | DivinityOne | his is for thed person but, all you need to do is lock the cam to the side |
| 01:12.56 | JademusSreg | A lag free control system is not possible. You'd need to set up your own network to reduce the 250ms minimum latency the game imposes. |
| 01:13.33 | DivinityOne | Well im jsut saying its the smothested control system i have come across ever |
| 01:14.16 | DeP | Mine issues orders to the unit to move a very small distance. I can't say I believe the pathfinding has anything to do with its latency, and that seems to be what this video would be implying were it suggesting that it's "lag-free". :p |
| 01:14.30 | DivinityOne | BTW is it possible to make a dialgue... with no dialuge window? I want the title... and butons etc. but i dont want the window at all |
| 01:14.44 | JademusSreg | I've done the same in my own proof of concept maps. |
| 01:15.22 | DivinityOne | Im jsut saying it might be worth looking at his triggers none the less |
| 01:15.38 | DivinityOne | if anything you can say, yep im doing that already |
| 01:16.00 | Eldrazor | divinity |
| 01:16.03 | Eldrazor | hide dialog background |
| 01:16.10 | Eldrazor | it's an action |
| 01:16.17 | Eldrazor | boom no more background |
| 01:16.22 | Eldrazor | anyways |
| 01:16.25 | Eldrazor | i'm off to bed |
| 01:16.28 | DivinityOne | not saying hes better then anyone, all im saying is i havnt come across any mvoement system as smoth as that with no profomance hit |
| 01:16.37 | Eldrazor | have a nice morning/afternoon/evening/day/???/profit |
| 01:16.44 | DivinityOne | cya |
| 01:16.45 | JademusSreg | Even the most efficient implementation will succumb to the imposed network latency. |
| 01:17.15 | JademusSreg | The only way to effectively compensate for that loss in reaction precision is to design the gameplay with a wider error margin. |
| 01:18.13 | DeP | Indeed. I was planning on making the enemies in my map give you at least a 3/4-second warning or so before attacking, so you actually have time to react. :p |
| 01:18.14 | DivinityOne | Lol, if you dont think its any better then what everyone else is doing, thats fine. I'm jsut saying from first hand exsperince his system works better then any i've tried. |
| 01:19.09 | JademusSreg | Div, that's fine, but I can't be impressed with something I did in a day. |
| 01:19.45 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/ThirdPersonDemo.SC2Map |
| 01:19.48 | DivinityOne | Its very simple. lol he proably did it in an hour. Im just saying the WAY he did its exstermy efficent |
| 01:20.20 | JademusSreg | Of that I am skeptical. |
| 01:20.28 | DeP | I usually can't be impressed by anything I do, since, you know, it's kinda weird to be impressed with yourself. ...but I was pretty happy with what I did in a day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky6jFq9tGY0 :P |
| 01:20.41 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 01:20.48 | DivinityOne | if your skeptical dl his map and look |
| 01:21.08 | Daara | jade i need your help |
| 01:21.17 | JademusSreg | Cute video, DeP. |
| 01:21.23 | JademusSreg | Daar, what's up? |
| 01:21.36 | Daara | what could possibly be causing something to do massive amounts of damage when its not set to do any damage? |
| 01:21.49 | Daara | i've gone through the effects 100 times |
| 01:21.59 | JademusSreg | Enabling the Kill flag on the damage effect. |
| 01:22.09 | JademusSreg | But that would kill the target instantly. |
| 01:22.16 | Daara | it's not |
| 01:22.42 | JademusSreg | Send me the map and I'll take a look. If you want it to be sekrit, feel free to gut it of anything else but the data chain. |
| 01:22.44 | Daara | i transported the effects, ability, behaviors etc. to another map |
| 01:22.51 | Daara | and it does the correct damage |
| 01:23.06 | JademusSreg | Interesting. Do you have any Damage Event triggers? |
| 01:23.25 | Daara | no |
| 01:23.25 | DeP | *Spent the last two minutes wondering why Jademus called Daara "dear", but then he realized that it didn't happen.* <.< |
| 01:23.46 | DeP | Oh, how about a unit nearby that increases damage taken or something? |
| 01:24.00 | Daara | nope |
| 01:24.46 | JademusSreg | Hold on, looking for my wife's phone. |
| 01:25.37 | DivinityOne | I really dont know if i should do what im planning to do, its going to be a lot of work (for me at least) |
| 01:26.00 | DivinityOne | I want to add character sheets, full Ui per player. and even allow other players to view character sheets of other players. |
| 01:26.38 | DivinityOne | it dosnt actualy seem that hard... to be honest. But, with my low levle of skill im sure to break everything when it comes to mutiplayer |
| 01:26.53 | Vailreth | in Sc2 terms what is a character sheet... and why do they have their own panel in the uI |
| 01:26.56 | Vailreth | UI |
| 01:27.18 | DivinityOne | tink an RPG, protrait, stats, equipment/paperdoll |
| 01:27.31 | DivinityOne | like an mmo window.. kinda... but not a mmo themed as much as a normal rpg |
| 01:28.20 | Vailreth | hm |
| 01:28.32 | DivinityOne | my map wont be fast paced OMG kill kill! so there will be time to sit back and do other things.. craft.. etc |
| 01:28.42 | Vailreth | nice |
| 01:28.51 | DivinityOne | its more of a game, then a kill everything |
| 01:29.09 | DivinityOne | have some really good plans for it. |
| 01:29.13 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 01:29.21 | DivinityOne | wb |
| 01:29.33 | JademusSreg | Got any buffs on the unit or target? |
| 01:29.55 | Vailreth | i am working on a lillte project i like to call Hero Tug of the Ancients |
| 01:30.57 | DeP | That sounds like a humorous name for a game that's just like DotA. :P |
| 01:31.50 | DeP | Heh... how about the opposite of DotA? You control minions, and the automatic attackers are heroes. <.< |
| 01:32.00 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:32.19 | DivinityOne | No.. your the minion union rep.. and lobby for betetr benifits etc |
| 01:32.25 | DivinityOne | Go on striek etc... |
| 01:32.43 | DivinityOne | unless the heros give you what you want their nexus is toast! |
| 01:32.55 | DeP | That is epic and needs to be made. :P |
| 01:33.25 | JademusSreg | Daar, does the caster or target have a buff? Does the effect have an attribute bonus, perhaps an accidentally large fraction value? |
| 01:34.12 | Vailreth | i think there is another effect or other aspect that has somehow overriden the default values at runtime.. |
| 01:34.57 | Vailreth | maybe check the raw data for the damage effect? |
| 01:35.36 | DeP | Well, you could put that idea to rest by referencing the effect's damage in a command button. |
| 01:37.15 | JademusSreg | I've always wondered what it would be like to troubleshoot for a coma patient. |
| 01:37.32 | Vailreth | ok? |
| 01:38.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster JademusSreg (~jademus.s@c-76-114-84-130.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 01:38.11 | DeP | I should think it would be like troubleshooting for oneself when one is trying to edit one's own code that hasn't been seen in a year or two. :P |
| 01:38.23 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:38.57 | JademusSreg | Refactoring without staple IDE features is a very special kind of hell. |
| 01:39.18 | DeP | My friend writes his code in Notepad. He does it right the first time, I guess. |
| 01:39.41 | DivinityOne | I dotn write code, i use the trigger editor! <--noob |
| 01:39.50 | JademusSreg | When I was a kid, I used to Rage Against The Visual Studio. Then I discovered it had Intellisense, and that was a sweet moment. |
| 01:39.51 | DeP | ...I like using the trigger editor for SC2 too. :P |
| 01:40.13 | DeP | Mmmm, Visual Studio. I wrote my first Visual C# program last weekend. |
| 01:40.14 | Vailreth | i too use the trigger editor |
| 01:40.20 | JademusSreg | Neat. |
| 01:40.25 | DeP | Yeah. It's a SC2 model editor. >_> <_< |
| 01:40.35 | Vailreth | hah |
| 01:40.40 | DeP | It was also my first DirectX program (I used OpenGL up to this point). :P |
| 01:40.49 | DivinityOne | I sues visual studio once... i made a app that did nothing but let me push buttons... count how many times i did it... then when you exited... it spawned that many new windows of itself >_> |
| 01:41.16 | JademusSreg | Since my Windows 7 OS is less than legitimate, it bugs the user with messages saying as much. So I killed explorer and wrote a C# program to function as my desktop. |
| 01:41.18 | DeP | That's more than what I had the brainpower to do when I started programming ten years ago. :P |
| 01:41.31 | DeP | Niiice. |
| 01:41.57 | DivinityOne | *breaks brain with dilagues* |
| 01:42.02 | DivinityOne | dialogs* |
| 01:42.06 | JademusSreg | I have a nicel ittle wallpaper, too; the What Pumpkin? logo I carved into a jackolantern for Halloween. |
| 01:42.09 | Vailreth | yea those are brain baking |
| 01:42.21 | DivinityOne | Im sjut worryed veriables.. are they per player or global.. |
| 01:42.27 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:42.31 | DivinityOne | like if player selected button a... but player 2 sleects b... |
| 01:42.37 | JademusSreg | Vars in the bottom left frame are global. |
| 01:42.38 | DivinityOne | where is that saved as opssed to the other! |
| 01:42.41 | JademusSreg | They are not player instanced. |
| 01:42.59 | DivinityOne | i need to know how to make branchign dilagues for mutiplayer |
| 01:43.06 | DivinityOne | so players can chocie diffrent paths... |
| 01:43.08 | JademusSreg | If you want player instanced values, make an array sized 16, and use player ints as the indexes. |
| 01:43.45 | DivinityOne | well i just want to let a player selected a diffrent gender for their hero... and then a background... |
| 01:43.51 | DivinityOne | nothing complex |
| 01:44.15 | Vailreth | complex? |
| 01:44.18 | DivinityOne | but i need to learn what to do, or how it suppsot to work. to let each player branch of into diffrent dialgues |
| 01:44.25 | Vailreth | This IS StarCraft2! |
| 01:44.37 | DivinityOne | Which is easy! |
| 01:45.00 | DivinityOne | Except the lsot valkary.... i cant beat that damn arcade game for the 500k achivement! |
| 01:45.04 | Vailreth | text lacks the inflection to make that refernce |
| 01:45.09 | DivinityOne | that game needs hax |
| 01:45.58 | Vailreth | ive never played it |
| 01:46.22 | Vailreth | that is ive never played it in the campaign i have in the editor |
| 01:46.38 | DivinityOne | Mmm.... *brain breaks more* okay there is no way to make a portrait clickable... so i have to fake it... can i do that with an invisable button? |
| 01:46.50 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 01:47.06 | DivinityOne | K, i'll jsut make the button the portrait size... |
| 01:47.07 | JademusSreg | But it will look ugly during replays and perhaps to spectators. |
| 01:47.29 | DivinityOne | i dont care about that honestly... its jsut character select stage |
| 01:47.40 | DivinityOne | its not the type of map to need/use replays |
| 01:47.44 | DivinityOne | i might even disable them |
| 01:48.28 | Daara | 1 sec jade i'll send it to you |
| 01:48.36 | Daara | had to go take care of my dog and pizza guy showed up |
| 01:48.45 | JademusSreg | The alternatives are to either insert the image via text or create the image over it or change the button's texture to something morel ike a frame. |
| 01:49.03 | DivinityOne | Question... is there a way to smothly drag a portrait/dialuge across the screen? |
| 01:49.09 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 01:49.16 | DivinityOne | k |
| 01:49.21 | DivinityOne | The protraits are animated |
| 01:49.33 | DivinityOne | im useing the actual portrait triggers outside dialogs ;p |
| 01:49.41 | JademusSreg | The event manager (and most other things) update in increments of 1/16 game second. |
| 01:50.03 | DivinityOne | can i fake an item slie across the screen? |
| 01:50.17 | JademusSreg | So doing anything with dialogs smoothly is sadly not feasible. |
| 01:50.56 | Vailreth | guess i may have to test my map on battle net to see if it lags there |
| 01:51.00 | DivinityOne | well for example. this is what i want: Player clicks on a portrait, and it slides to the left, then up, and sits in top left corner of screen while a indo dilague fades in around it. |
| 01:51.10 | DivinityOne | the only movement i want is the portrait aligning itself |
| 01:51.25 | JademusSreg | You can update the dialog's position relative to mouse (I assume you are allowing the user to drag it) at most in 1/16 game second increments, so 16 times per game second, 24 times per real second. |
| 01:51.41 | DivinityOne | No not drag |
| 01:51.44 | DivinityOne | its automove |
| 01:51.44 | DeP | I made a game with that framerate once. It was okay because it was pixelly. <.< |
| 01:51.49 | DivinityOne | just a style choice |
| 01:52.00 | DivinityOne | click it, and it moves into position and acsts you to confirm |
| 01:52.06 | DivinityOne | asks* |
| 01:52.12 | Vailreth | the dialogs i have attached to my units move pretty fluidly |
| 01:52.33 | JademusSreg | So it's an animated dialog mvement. Same thing applies. You basically get 24 frames per second. |
| 01:52.34 | Vailreth | but i am assuming that is handled differntly |
| 01:52.44 | DivinityOne | Im talking about a portrait though, a literal one. like the comunication ones ;p |
| 01:53.03 | Vailreth | i dont think they are designed to move ... |
| 01:53.05 | JademusSreg | You don't mean dialogs? |
| 01:53.22 | DivinityOne | the portrait has same cords system. but no. its not a dilague |
| 01:53.29 | DivinityOne | dialog*** |
| 01:53.31 | JademusSreg | Then no. |
| 01:53.45 | JademusSreg | The current API doesn't grant naked access to the UI shit. |
| 01:54.05 | DivinityOne | its not the bottom portrait.. ;p |
| 01:54.13 | DivinityOne | its one i display on center of screen |
| 01:54.33 | Vailreth | im still trying to figure out this render to texture stuff |
| 01:54.40 | JademusSreg | For instance, you can't even refer to arbitrary frames. That's unfortunate, because a user can make custom frames. |
| 01:55.02 | JademusSreg | Div, you'll need to be clear. I don't use GUI and have no idea to what you are refering. |
| 01:55.23 | JademusSreg | What is the name of the action you use to make it? |
| 01:55.30 | DivinityOne | you play the campaign? |
| 01:55.33 | DivinityOne | portrait |
| 01:56.00 | DivinityOne | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.11 | Daara | how do you private message |
| 01:56.13 | Daara | i forget lol |
| 01:56.26 | JademusSreg | Depends on the client. |
| 01:56.34 | JademusSreg | It's called a Query on my client. |
| 01:56.34 | DivinityOne | no clue... i really should ger mic and stop useing the web login |
| 01:56.47 | DivinityOne | get mirc* |
| 01:56.58 | JademusSreg | Div, what's the Raw Data name of the function? |
| 01:57.18 | DivinityOne | how do i find that? |
| 01:57.29 | DivinityOne | i never use raw data |
| 01:57.44 | JademusSreg | Never mind. Portraits thankfully can have their positions set. =D |
| 01:57.49 | DivinityOne | yes |
| 01:57.55 | DivinityOne | and alot of settings changed |
| 01:58.12 | JademusSreg | So it's within your power to move it. What's the problem? |
| 01:58.25 | DivinityOne | i asked if i can move it smothly! |
| 01:58.26 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 01:58.30 | DivinityOne | that was the entier question |
| 01:58.33 | DivinityOne | and how id do that... |
| 01:59.18 | JademusSreg | native void PortraitSetPosition (int p, int anchor, int offsetX, int offsetY); |
| 01:59.21 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:00.10 | DivinityOne | i know i can set its possition lol, but how do i make it slide across the screen.. make a periodic trigger slide it across, moveing to pre defined cords? and update pos every .3 or something? |
| 02:00.26 | JademusSreg | Ew. |
| 02:00.41 | DivinityOne | Im a nub, thats why im asking for insight ;p |
| 02:00.47 | DeP | For, Move, Wait. |
| 02:00.55 | JademusSreg | A single trigger, with a while loop, and a wait of either 0 or 0.0625. |
| 02:01.30 | JademusSreg | 0 is treated as 0.03125. |
| 02:01.37 | JademusSreg | Which is to say 1/32 game second/ |
| 02:01.53 | DivinityOne | Again to clerifiy exactly what i want: Player clicks a portrait. portrait is highlighed(glows, not sur eif possible yet) and it slides to left, then up to top corner. thats all i want |
| 02:03.11 | DivinityOne | ugh *head breaks* dose aspect ratio break positioning? *feels another headache comeing on* |
| 02:03.12 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Which means a loop to handle it. |
| 02:03.37 | DivinityOne | so im right... i need to constantly update its movement... |
| 02:03.39 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, aspect ration can totally break it. |
| 02:03.50 | DivinityOne | *head + desk* |
| 02:03.53 | JademusSreg | Yes, but don't use a periodic trigger. That's wasteful. |
| 02:04.34 | DivinityOne | screw it... i'll just make it simple.. i'll add fancy things later |
| 02:05.14 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:05.18 | DivinityOne | i'll do that but right now i think its more imporant i get the map to at least a playable first area stand point ;p |
| 02:05.40 | DivinityOne | i havnt even documented the skills/class's yet |
| 02:05.44 | AlphA_VsT | small steps are good :D I should know that :P |
| 02:05.53 | DivinityOne | :p |
| 02:06.57 | JademusSreg | Oh my goodness, making a map without design documents and digital reams of spreadsheets? Madness. |
| 02:07.10 | DivinityOne | haha |
| 02:07.29 | DivinityOne | i have a design document but its more though bubbles then facts and balanced numbers |
| 02:07.58 | DivinityOne | i need to prototype alot of my systems first to see if their even possible |
| 02:08.08 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 02:08.12 | JademusSreg | I do the same. |
| 02:08.48 | DivinityOne | *prototype test 1: Makeing a zergling attack a player.... failed* |
| 02:08.50 | DivinityOne | :p |
| 02:08.53 | JademusSreg | Idea. Discuss idea with dev buddies. Prototype idea. Make project. If the idea fails at any stage before making the project, toss it like garbage. |
| 02:09.11 | Daara | taking it down |
| 02:09.15 | JademusSreg | But once you start a project, you damn well better finish. =D |
| 02:09.31 | DivinityOne | Right... *looks at a dozen unfished projects* |
| 02:09.32 | DeP | *Is currently deciding how he wants to handle the player's attacks in his current map whose first stage is mostly completed* :P |
| 02:10.05 | DivinityOne | Automatic! with skill sue as suddent combos or power up moments |
| 02:10.09 | DivinityOne | use* |
| 02:10.27 | DivinityOne | maybe use over eha dindicators for when a enemy is about to use a spesial attack.. |
| 02:10.35 | DivinityOne | gvies you opertunity to counter or defend |
| 02:10.35 | DeP | I forsee myself having to learn about pre-targeted non-seeking missiles and the ability to miss with them. <.< |
| 02:11.41 | DivinityOne | Theres to much to make for my map! Ugh why did i ever decide to make such a huge project... |
| 02:11.54 | Daara | you think you have a lot? |
| 02:12.00 | Daara | i haven't even finished one race |
| 02:12.00 | DivinityOne | DeP i'l finish your map... if you finish mine! |
| 02:12.03 | JademusSreg | Not finishing projects is a bad habit that can only be overcome with practice. Once the jubilent high of a new idea wears thin, you may start to look for your next fix, seeking out new and more euphoric ideas to pursue. |
| 02:12.04 | DeP | I ask myself that just about any time I make a program. :P |
| 02:12.13 | Daara | i still have to do 3 races |
| 02:12.19 | Daara | and i've thought about doing more than 4 lol |
| 02:12.40 | DivinityOne | Well your working on abilties mostly atm right? |
| 02:12.45 | Daara | yea |
| 02:12.48 | DivinityOne | they can be tricky... |
| 02:12.55 | Daara | models don't take that much time |
| 02:13.07 | Daara | redoing the textures take the longest |
| 02:13.07 | DivinityOne | I still need a solution for my biggest problem... |
| 02:13.13 | DivinityOne | how to give Civs wepons... |
| 02:13.20 | Daara | they have an attack |
| 02:13.21 | DivinityOne | otherwise their stuck only with grenade wepons |
| 02:13.35 | DivinityOne | well i yes... but tis only a fist bash/throw animation |
| 02:13.46 | DivinityOne | i can animate new ones... but meh. lsot my copy of 3ds |
| 02:14.20 | DivinityOne | in short term i can give them predator robot dogs.. or float shoulder hovering self defence drones.. |
| 02:14.37 | DivinityOne | but i really would love to beable to give the wepons.. and change on equip. |
| 02:14.52 | DivinityOne | That would be final stage... as thats alot of work with the animations |
| 02:17.55 | AlphA_VsT | Dont over do it :D |
| 02:19.05 | DivinityOne | Well its either give them attack animations and wepons.. or be forced to use turrets and grenade type wepons only |
| 02:19.16 | DivinityOne | I could make the terrfing crowbar of doom though... |
| 02:19.49 | AlphA_VsT | I would worry about it later :P |
| 02:20.12 | AlphA_VsT | you dont want to overwhelm yourself with things to do.. |
| 02:20.41 | DivinityOne | Sure.. then i get to the end of my map, two months from now and go.. Oh shit! My civs can only throw molys! wtf! |
| 02:20.43 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 02:21.20 | AlphA_VsT | and then you worry about it but you habve a almsot done map :D |
| 02:21.28 | AlphA_VsT | and thats the important thing |
| 02:23.56 | DivinityOne | whats a modal or none modal dialog? >_> |
| 02:24.09 | DeP | Modal means it basically takes over control of the screen. |
| 02:24.16 | DeP | Can't click on other stuff while it's up. |
| 02:24.36 | DivinityOne | thanks |
| 02:25.15 | DivinityOne | whats the max with a 4:3 monitor can support for a dialog? |
| 02:25.20 | DivinityOne | width* |
| 02:25.53 | DivinityOne | Or will it scale? i dont want a dialog that is off the screen for low aspect rations... |
| 02:26.30 | AlphA_VsT | 800x600 |
| 02:26.53 | AlphA_VsT | im pretty sure |
| 02:27.23 | DivinityOne | but how dose that reaslate ingame to position? since in game pos is not defined by resolution... |
| 02:27.38 | DivinityOne | or so i was told |
| 02:27.46 | AlphA_VsT | Its very confusing :D |
| 02:27.54 | AlphA_VsT | im sure there i a tutorial on it |
| 02:28.50 | DivinityOne | I'll jsut change my rez.... |
| 02:28.56 | DivinityOne | see what it looks like |
| 02:28.57 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:30.46 | DivinityOne | well 1300 wide had 2 inches free on left and right of screen in 4:3 |
| 02:31.00 | DivinityOne | so that will be fine i guess |
| 02:31.13 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 02:31.53 | Vailreth | any one know what that little box is over top of the command button pannel? |
| 02:32.02 | Vailreth | id |
| 02:32.05 | Vailreth | is |
| 02:34.41 | DivinityOne | which button? |
| 02:35.05 | Vailreth | not a button the box over them |
| 02:36.16 | Ahli | friend button background frame or something like that? |
| 02:36.17 | DivinityOne | not sure what box your refering ti... |
| 02:36.19 | DivinityOne | to* |
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| 02:42.13 | Vailreth | yeah its the friends online button bar thingy |
| 02:45.02 | Ahli | <Frame type="Image" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/BattleNetButtonFriendsFrameImage" file="GameUI"> |
| 02:45.02 | Ahli | <Anchor side="Bottom" relative="$parent" pos="Max" offset="-150"/> |
| 02:45.02 | Ahli | <Anchor side="Right" relative="$parent" pos="Max" offset="0"/> |
| 02:45.02 | Ahli | </Frame> |
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| 02:50.03 | Vailreth | thanks |
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| 03:01.08 | DivinityOne | Question |
| 03:01.11 | Daara | yay, evasion that his little floating miss text actors :D |
| 03:01.32 | DivinityOne | I need a global veriable to track to a 2ed trigger... i cant use alocal from one trigger and transfer it to another? |
| 03:02.35 | DivinityOne | bascily i want to know if i need to set a global variable/array for me dialog buttons... or i can use local ones... |
| 03:02.46 | Daara | how can i get it to appear on the attacker rather than the guy with evasion? |
| 03:02.55 | DivinityOne | yea |
| 03:03.16 | DivinityOne | jsut make an effect apply the behavor to target |
| 03:03.19 | DivinityOne | instead of source |
| 03:03.21 | Daara | i'd do global |
| 03:03.23 | Daara | instead of local |
| 03:03.26 | DivinityOne | k |
| 03:03.51 | DivinityOne | I'll do an array i guess.. cleaner |
| 03:04.25 | Daara | yep |
| 03:05.50 | DivinityOne | This is where im confused... |
| 03:06.04 | DivinityOne | i need someone to wlak me through this logicaly... :p |
| 03:06.56 | DivinityOne | if i have two buttons... ones array0 other is array1 ... and player 1 press's array0 and player 2 press's array1... i dont need to track it indvidualy per player? |
| 03:07.24 | DivinityOne | is the game smart enuph to know diffrent players choses diffrent options.. or do i need to add in proper definistions between who picked what |
| 03:07.54 | Daara | wth is an "at term" in the event's+ |
| 03:07.54 | DivinityOne | wait.. im sjut confusing myself.. i think i know what to do or at least how to test it... |
| 03:08.11 | DivinityOne | at term? |
| 03:08.39 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/zerguiwip.jpg |
| 03:08.47 | AlphA_VsT | um triggering player divin :D |
| 03:09.22 | Vailreth | the current map ui im working on |
| 03:09.37 | Daara | vailreth |
| 03:09.42 | AlphA_VsT | kinda ugly :D |
| 03:09.46 | Daara | do you know what this "at term" is |
| 03:09.49 | Daara | in events+ |
| 03:10.09 | Vailreth | ugly hmph |
| 03:10.41 | Vailreth | where is events+ |
| 03:10.47 | Daara | actors |
| 03:11.12 | Daara | i'm reading that i need to set an "at" term after it's created to determine where it creates |
| 03:12.42 | Vailreth | cant say that i do off hand |
| 03:13.55 | DivinityOne | unit |
| 03:14.06 | DivinityOne | at is the position... |
| 03:14.12 | DivinityOne | whats creating it? |
| 03:14.21 | DeP | Well, that's a little annoying. Set missile launch attach query to...well, I tried weapon shield, and center... but it's always coming from the origin instead. I know this model has those attach points. :| |
| 03:14.56 | Daara | it's annoying when they don't work |
| 03:15.06 | Vailreth | then your attack actore is refrencing an invalid or already used ite, DeP |
| 03:15.07 | Daara | one thing you should be sure to check |
| 03:15.21 | DeP | ...ite? <.< |
| 03:15.23 | Vailreth | item. |
| 03:15.45 | Vailreth | attack actors are picky |
| 03:16.05 | DeP | I seeeee. |
| 03:16.33 | Daara | i just do host site |
| 03:16.37 | Daara | and host site operations |
| 03:16.43 | DivinityOne | question about arrays... and array of 1 is only 0, not 0-1? |
| 03:16.47 | Daara | for the missile |
| 03:16.56 | DeP | I tried that. My host site op had no effect. |
| 03:17.13 | Vailreth | siteops will not work while the attack actor is invalid |
| 03:17.42 | Daara | yea you also need to go into the Units actor and change stuff too |
| 03:17.43 | Vailreth | make sure every thing refrenced by your attack actor is not referenced by any other attack actor |
| 03:18.09 | Daara | units attack* actor |
| 03:18.20 | DeP | I juuuust made all these actors and effects while following a tutorial, so I know there are no extra references. |
| 03:18.31 | DivinityOne | So no one saw my question? |
| 03:18.38 | Vailreth | which tutorial? |
| 03:18.40 | DeP | It's just 0. |
| 03:18.40 | Daara | if there's one thing i've learned with the editor |
| 03:18.45 | Daara | is that 1 tiny mistake |
| 03:18.46 | Ahli | array in sc2 is 0 and 1 then |
| 03:18.48 | Daara | can break everything |
| 03:18.55 | Vailreth | yes |
| 03:19.05 | DeP | The one in the very first nastily-formatted "show" box. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/17154-data-colliding-projectiles/#posts |
| 03:19.15 | Ahli | it's different from every real programming language... |
| 03:19.15 | DivinityOne | so the number in the array size is the amount of row? like 2 would be 0-1? |
| 03:19.28 | Ahli | size 2 will result in 0,1,2 |
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| 03:19.32 | DeP | Every real programming language starts counting at 0, except Visual Basic 6. <.< |
| 03:19.37 | Ahli | you set the max instead of the length |
| 03:19.41 | DeP | ...actually, that starts at 0 too. :P |
| 03:20.12 | DivinityOne | thanks Ahli thats what i wanted to know |
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| 03:21.59 | Vailreth | man thats a mess |
| 03:22.39 | DeP | I couldn't figure out WHAT kind of formatting he used, so I just put it in my own text editor and replaced ###s and whatnot with linefeeds. :P |
| 03:23.30 | Vailreth | i wish i could see you attack actor.. |
| 03:23.52 | DeP | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.54 | DeP | Ta da! |
| 03:23.55 | Vailreth | you created everything from scratch for this tuorial |
| 03:24.23 | DeP | Yeah, all but the unit, and I skipped what was necessary to skip for the left and right hand things. |
| 03:25.15 | Vailreth | try adding you missiles actor to the attack actors missle field |
| 03:26.43 | DeP | Hey, whaddyaknow, that was the problem. :P |
| 03:27.06 | Daara | QUESTION! |
| 03:27.10 | DeP | I guess the tutorial made the names line up correctly so changing that field shouldn't have been necessary...but the "tutorial" didn't bother explaining that. <.< |
| 03:27.11 | Vailreth | yes? |
| 03:27.19 | Daara | I want to have 5 different texts as a possiblity when my Rogue dodges. |
| 03:27.30 | Daara | Dodge, Dip, Dive, Duck, and Dodge |
| 03:27.54 | Daara | the 5 D's of dodgeball |
| 03:28.15 | DeP | I assume that's because "dodge" contains two "d"s but nobody who saw the movie got that? <.< >.> |
| 03:28.40 | DivinityOne | Someone help >_< |
| 03:28.40 | Daara | one of my favorite movies |
| 03:28.57 | DivinityOne | i need a way to track which player is which! When useing dialgues... |
| 03:29.03 | DeP | Triggering Player? |
| 03:29.33 | DeP | Just set your arrays' sizes to 16 and use Triggering Player as the index. |
| 03:29.41 | DivinityOne | No. i need to know the exact player as im useing bank system as well... So player 1-5 etc. and incase someone drops/leaves. i need their number to be preserved |
| 03:29.51 | DeP | The number IS preserved. |
| 03:30.50 | DivinityOne | what type of array? |
| 03:31.13 | DeP | I assume since you're using dialogs that there would be a Dialog array. :P |
| 03:32.22 | DivinityOne | Well the thing is i need a diffrent gloabl player array for a ton of data i need to save to banks later... |
| 03:32.41 | DeP | You'll probably use a different array for every different data element. |
| 03:33.34 | DeP | PlayerLives (integer), PlayerDialog (dialog), PlayerIsViewingDialog (boolean), whatever you need. |
| 03:33.45 | Vailreth | ok daara i think i have an answer |
| 03:33.53 | Daara | hmm |
| 03:34.08 | Daara | i found the events term thing if that's it |
| 03:34.22 | Daara | it doesn't work for the way i'm handling the text creation |
| 03:34.26 | Vailreth | does you dodge behavior have a handled event? |
| 03:34.32 | Daara | yes |
| 03:34.34 | Vailreth | handled effect |
| 03:34.36 | DeP | I think you could use a set with a list of effects and set to random, and each of its effects could trigger a different floating text actor. |
| 03:34.47 | Daara | ooo |
| 03:35.33 | Daara | right now my handled event sets a Effect Set |
| 03:35.36 | Daara | which does an apply behavior |
| 03:35.38 | DeP | At its most complicated, you'd need another set that contains the (currently) handled effect plus the other set, and your behavior's handler would be changed to this outer set. :p |
| 03:35.52 | Daara | and when the unit gains that behavior it creates the text |
| 03:35.59 | DeP | Heh. Well, there you go, you can just add the random-selection set to that set. :P |
| 03:36.11 | DeP | Ninja posting ftw. <. |
| 03:37.00 | Vailreth | noo dont crash on me now! |
| 03:37.08 | Daara | SAAAAAAAAVE |
| 03:37.20 | Vailreth | i cant its frozen |
| 03:37.27 | Daara | :< |
| 03:37.38 | DeP | My editor doesn't tend to crash, but it loves to plaster my entire screen with a badly stretched-out version of what it's supposed to be rendering in its inner "world" window! |
| 03:37.59 | DeP | Then I end up with pieces of dirt stuck on my taskbar. >=( |
| 03:39.23 | DivinityOne | Ugh... this is breaking my brain. Can someone please exsplain to me very simply how i track which player is clicking which button.. and do spesific actions that affectly only that user... |
| 03:41.39 | Vailreth | Daara would you mind walking me through the Rogue's dodge? |
| 03:41.54 | Daara | it has a passive behavior for each level |
| 03:42.10 | Daara | that has a damage response set at .15, .2, and .25 |
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| 03:42.31 | Daara | which a modify fraction at 0 |
| 03:42.45 | Daara | with modify minimum damage enabled |
| 03:42.57 | Daara | the handled effect will by a Set effect |
| 03:43.10 | Daara | which will random between 5 apply behavior effects |
| 03:43.21 | Daara | which get applied |
| 03:43.30 | Daara | and when one of those get applied i have a text actor |
| 03:43.44 | Daara | that will create a floating text with either Dodge, Dip, Dive, Duck, and Dodge |
| 03:43.45 | InnoVate | hey galaxy script help needed (total noob) |
| 03:44.21 | Vailreth | i think it can be streamlined a bit.. |
| 03:44.30 | InnoVate | Anyone want to hold my hand and help me write Hello World in galaxy script, and preferably store Hello and World into two separate variables? |
| 03:44.34 | InnoVate | I'll be your best friend? :) |
| 03:44.39 | Daara | well |
| 03:44.47 | Daara | in order to get the player to have a text actor |
| 03:44.52 | Daara | i have to have him gain a behavior |
| 03:44.57 | Vailreth | perhaps not |
| 03:44.59 | Daara | since the passive is always on |
| 03:45.02 | Daara | i can't use the passive |
| 03:45.29 | Daara | well the passive is off unless they have the ability |
| 03:45.41 | Daara | and level 1 disables 2 and 3 |
| 03:45.44 | Daara | and vis versa |
| 03:45.56 | Vailreth | you could have the passive preform a set of dummy effects instead of actually aplying the behaviors ... |
| 03:46.15 | Vailreth | then create a text actor at the target of the effects |
| 03:48.31 | Daara | hmm |
| 03:48.41 | Daara | what kind of effect could i use on the attacker? |
| 03:49.24 | Daara | cause i'm using "defender" to negate the damage on the passive effects |
| 03:49.45 | Vailreth | let me test some thingfs |
| 03:50.12 | Daara | wouldn't i have to come through and apply another behavior anyway to get the attack handled? |
| 03:50.29 | Vailreth | i dont think so ... let me tets |
| 03:50.31 | Vailreth | test |
| 03:50.53 | Daara | i kinda want the dodge, dip, dive, duck, and dodge to stay on the rogue too |
| 03:50.59 | Daara | a simple miss will work on the attacker |
| 03:53.35 | Vailreth | ah ok |
| 04:11.03 | Vailreth | ok yes its possible |
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| 04:11.19 | Vailreth | just use dummy apply behaviior effects |
| 04:11.49 | Vailreth | and have the dodge words be act caster and the miss word or words be at target |
| 04:12.04 | Vailreth | be at caster |
| 04:13.00 | Vailreth | you will also have to set a time to kill the actors after a few seconds but it should be simple |
| 04:14.50 | Vailreth | so the text actor would be set up so that on the effect impact at caster create, actor creation start time with a name and at the experiation of that time kill the actor |
| 04:14.52 | Daara | already have the actor killing |
| 04:15.08 | Vailreth | ah |
| 04:15.12 | Daara | right now |
| 04:15.31 | Daara | i have 5 random text actors on the rogue when he evades an attack |
| 04:15.42 | Vailreth | yes |
| 04:16.17 | Daara | so how am i applying this dummy effect |
| 04:17.00 | Vailreth | you would just take the behavors out of the existing five apply behaviors |
| 04:17.21 | Vailreth | that would make them into dummy effects applied by the dodge behavior |
| 04:23.13 | Vailreth | and the miss words would be set to effect impact at target |
| 04:26.41 | Daara | ok |
| 04:26.45 | Daara | so |
| 04:26.56 | Daara | basically in the handled event i'm going to want a set effect |
| 04:27.02 | Daara | that does the random + the miss |
| 04:27.19 | Daara | all 6 are dummy effects |
| 04:28.23 | Daara | so in the text actor i would do Effect.dummyapplybehavior1.impact --- create ? |
| 04:28.26 | Vailreth | the miss will be handled by the same effects that create the dodge |
| 04:28.49 | Vailreth | yes for the text actor |
| 04:29.07 | Daara | how will that get it onto the attacker though? |
| 04:29.30 | Vailreth | by using the At term scope target |
| 04:29.48 | Daara | k |
| 04:29.57 | Daara | let me check it out |
| 04:32.12 | DivinityOne | Question... |
| 04:32.17 | Vailreth | ok |
| 04:32.29 | DivinityOne | is it better to create all your dilagos first... then call them when needed. or create them when their being called? |
| 04:32.34 | DivinityOne | dialogs* |
| 04:33.00 | DivinityOne | show them when their needed* |
| 04:34.29 | JademusSreg | Show as needed. |
| 04:34.39 | Vailreth | Daara if you want or need a refrence http://www.box.com/s/ipiup27lt9pmertz1831 |
| 04:34.45 | DivinityOne | So make them all in the background first? |
| 04:36.49 | DivinityOne | Another question... a hidden dilaog/portrait is not rendered so for example... 100 dialogs can exist hidden, but have no proformance impact on the game unless told to show? |
| 04:36.52 | JademusSreg | It is possible to hit an reference limit for dialog and their controls, as I recall; when dialogs and dialog controls are destroyed, the reference isn't freed, indicated by the references of subsequently created dialogs and controls. |
| 04:37.22 | JademusSreg | Pretty much, but they will take up some small amount of memory. Nothing you need to worry about. |
| 04:37.39 | DivinityOne | kk that makes its a bit easyer then... |
| 04:45.14 | Daara | thx vailreth |
| 04:45.17 | Daara | got it working |
| 04:45.19 | Daara | the way i wanted it :D |
| 04:45.25 | Vailreth | no problem |
| 04:45.35 | Daara | rogue is dodge, dip, dive, duck, and dodging |
| 04:45.39 | Daara | and the attackers are missing |
| 04:45.50 | Daara | love it! |
| 04:46.12 | Daara | just need 3 more abilities i think |
| 04:46.16 | Daara | 1 for rogue |
| 04:46.24 | Daara | and 2 for hunter |
| 04:46.26 | Daara | er |
| 04:46.27 | Daara | ranger |
| 04:47.34 | Daara | did you finish the trap ability? |
| 04:48.18 | Vailreth | no i didnt work on it i thought you were going to run with the spidermine ability but i can |
| 04:48.45 | Daara | oh it's ok lol |
| 04:49.06 | Daara | i'll work on it myself and come to you for help if i need it :p |
| 04:49.11 | Daara | got all day tomorrow |
| 04:49.12 | Vailreth | ok |
| 04:49.15 | Vailreth | nice |
| 04:49.17 | Vailreth | me too |
| 04:49.25 | Daara | off to bed though got work in 5 hours :< |
| 04:49.29 | Daara | gn |
| 04:49.32 | Vailreth | later |
| 04:49.32 | Daara | thx again :D |
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| 05:08.10 | AlphA_VsT | did they ever fix event definitions? |
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| 05:21.51 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 05:22.18 | AlphA_VsT | they used to not work... |
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| 05:39.28 | DivinityOne | Anyone here run a 4:3 resolution? |
| 05:40.36 | JademusSreg | I run at 1920*1080. |
| 05:41.26 | DivinityOne | same |
| 05:41.33 | DivinityOne | i jsut changed to a very low 4:3 rez |
| 05:41.40 | AlphA_VsT | 10:9 or something liek that |
| 05:41.47 | DivinityOne | my dialog looks okay.. fi quite streched |
| 05:42.08 | DivinityOne | I just had to amke sure it wasnt off screen for poeple liveing in caves ;p |
| 05:42.21 | AlphA_VsT | silly :D |
| 05:45.23 | AlphA_VsT | sigh these triggers are all over the place... I need to redo it :D |
| 05:47.22 | DivinityOne | *bangs head aginst wall |
| 05:47.40 | DivinityOne | Ugh i need to start working on game systems now... to finish my dialog... bleh |
| 05:48.55 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 06:15.45 | DivinityOne | How do i save a value for a player? lets say play 3 clicks marine dialog item, how do i save that selection as a veriable unique to player 3? |
| 06:16.40 | JademusSreg | Run a trigger for the dialog click action, save the value to an array indexed by player. |
| 06:19.07 | AlphA_VsT | yup |
| 06:20.02 | DivinityOne | yes but how? |
| 06:20.12 | AlphA_VsT | use triggering player |
| 06:20.16 | DivinityOne | I mean i need the actual trigger/formula |
| 06:20.31 | AlphA_VsT | and then set variable player[triggering player] = value |
| 06:20.42 | DivinityOne | ahh |
| 06:20.53 | DivinityOne | so that returns the number? |
| 06:21.40 | AlphA_VsT | that will set what ever the dialog to a variable |
| 06:21.45 | DivinityOne | i mean useing triggering player in an array always returns that players number |
| 06:22.25 | AlphA_VsT | yeah triggering player is a integer |
| 06:22.36 | DivinityOne | kk |
| 06:22.47 | AlphA_VsT | you cant change it always the same |
| 06:23.13 | DivinityOne | That clears up alot of confution for me... |
| 06:23.45 | DivinityOne | I jsut need to make arrays large enuph to accept as many players are in the map, and refrence them by triggering player... |
| 06:24.46 | DivinityOne | Another question... |
| 06:24.56 | AlphA_VsT | well you just have to set it to the max number of players for your map and it should be a constant after that :P |
| 06:25.17 | DivinityOne | My map will be 5-6 players max... |
| 06:25.34 | DivinityOne | i've yet to decide. 5 seems better. i Wanted 4 but sometime poeple want more friends around |
| 06:26.09 | DivinityOne | I still have no clue how im going to scale certain encounters and situations to diffiuclty level based on player count. |
| 06:26.29 | AlphA_VsT | thats part of what I am doing right now for my map :P |
| 06:26.43 | DivinityOne | i bet it would break my brain too ;p |
| 06:27.13 | AlphA_VsT | I made a first run at it but its super sloppy :D |
| 06:27.21 | AlphA_VsT | And Im writing it all out now hahaha |
| 06:27.29 | DivinityOne | Fun! |
| 06:28.28 | AlphA_VsT | Yeah 0.o |
| 06:29.53 | DivinityOne | I jsut ran face first into a wall |
| 06:30.01 | AlphA_VsT | with what? |
| 06:30.06 | DivinityOne | i have this really cool system of selecting a hero portrait... but... |
| 06:30.18 | DivinityOne | how do i create/display it for a spesific user! |
| 06:30.34 | AlphA_VsT | um |
| 06:30.39 | DivinityOne | Creating portraits are universal... i can hide or unhdie for each user though |
| 06:31.01 | DivinityOne | but that means id have like 10 portraits hidden in one place... rendering the one the player chose |
| 06:31.13 | DivinityOne | that dosnt seem every convient.. |
| 06:31.23 | AlphA_VsT | or you can set up a dialog image for it :P |
| 06:31.41 | DivinityOne | I may have to... |
| 06:31.41 | DivinityOne | and use portrait channels |
| 06:31.46 | DivinityOne | and just change the channel |
| 06:32.01 | AlphA_VsT | ive never used portraits... :P |
| 06:32.16 | DivinityOne | their just spesific dialogs... |
| 06:32.44 | DivinityOne | also can trasmit though them... |
| 06:33.14 | DivinityOne | im going to see if theirs a push to talk verifier... and when active their portrait will appear and animate as they talk |
| 06:33.44 | DivinityOne | but thats something for later... |
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| 06:35.58 | tordy | hello |
| 06:36.02 | tordy | Xaragoth: |
| 06:38.26 | DivinityOne | Meh whatever, im going to make a real mess of this, but it will run smothly! |
| 06:38.34 | tordy | hi |
| 06:38.37 | DivinityOne | Who cares if its a bit messy under the hood... if it runs :p |
| 06:38.39 | tordy | DivinityOne are you good with terrain design? |
| 06:38.57 | DivinityOne | A little bit |
| 06:39.32 | tordy | you know any good textures for roads? |
| 06:39.36 | tordy | or around roads? |
| 06:39.41 | tordy | just any dirst? |
| 06:39.45 | tordy | inno man i dont liike it\ |
| 06:39.55 | DivinityOne | Depends on the planet and road |
| 06:40.10 | tordy | spacey |
| 06:40.12 | tordy | platform |
| 06:40.24 | DivinityOne | Space platform dosnt need any texture edging for roads |
| 06:40.28 | DivinityOne | just toss it down |
| 06:40.35 | tordy | looks so weird |
| 06:40.40 | DivinityOne | i never used the tileset, dont know the default road |
| 06:40.44 | DivinityOne | whats the road called? |
| 06:41.38 | tordy | there is no road |
| 06:42.01 | DivinityOne | there is a road |
| 06:42.05 | tordy | no default road at least |
| 06:42.14 | tordy | for braxis alpha tileset |
| 06:42.17 | DivinityOne | you dont have a road option? |
| 06:42.27 | DivinityOne | well jsut edit the tielset then |
| 06:42.39 | DivinityOne | and add a road to the hardset + field |
| 06:43.52 | DivinityOne | in data editor the pluse sign (if you dont already have the tab open) > Terrain data > terrain texture sets |
| 06:43.57 | DivinityOne | find your tileset |
| 06:44.19 | DivinityOne | and udner Hard Tiles + add a road |
| 06:44.30 | DivinityOne | may need reload map for button to appear though |
| 06:44.46 | tordy | this korhal outfit's a mess |
| 06:45.52 | tordy | how come when i duplicate a texture set, everything is night time? |
| 06:45.54 | AlphA_VsT | lol i hate having to reload the map :D |
| 06:46.36 | DivinityOne | i hate not beable able to select active map... |
| 06:46.46 | DivinityOne | forced to close all the ones i open over top of each other |
| 06:47.08 | DivinityOne | why cant i have 2 maps open at once.. or 2 instances of the editor... ugh |
| 06:47.26 | DivinityOne | actualy havnt looked into 2 editors open at once... |
| 06:47.30 | DivinityOne | might be worth a try |
| 06:48.42 | tordy | how do you get rid of the randomness in cliffs? |
| 06:48.55 | DivinityOne | the streched ground texture? |
| 06:49.12 | DivinityOne | or are you talking about the un uniform cliff faces |
| 06:49.34 | tordy | i think the cliff face? |
| 06:49.49 | tordy | it's really obvious in manmade cliff |
| 06:50.00 | tordy | just hold the mouse and move around the same area |
| 06:50.06 | tordy | i want cliffs to look the same |
| 06:52.49 | tordy | do i have to make my own texture? |
| 06:52.57 | tordy | or just clip out the parts that look random |
| 06:53.04 | tordy | what's it called |
| 06:53.14 | DivinityOne | no clue |
| 06:53.29 | tordy | :( |
| 06:56.12 | AlphA_VsT | no idea |
| 06:56.20 | tordy | not you too! :( |
| 06:56.41 | tordy | think Xaragoth knows because he is the terrain master but he's not here so i'll have to wait |
| 06:56.51 | Xaragoth | hrm? what? |
| 06:56.56 | tordy | ! |
| 06:57.58 | Xaragoth | road ... space platform |
| 06:58.08 | Xaragoth | try to make side walks and place the roads in 2 lanes next to each other |
| 06:58.10 | tordy | Xaragoth knows |
| 06:58.13 | Xaragoth | see korhal |
| 06:58.20 | Xaragoth | the odin misson |
| 06:58.20 | tordy | korhal outfit's a mess |
| 06:58.51 | Xaragoth | well, find some nice assets and textures that fit to build a sidewalk |
| 06:59.08 | Xaragoth | because you can't throw down earth and grass on the roadsides |
| 06:59.33 | tordy | i'll take a look at that odin mission |
| 06:59.45 | DivinityOne | Anyone know anything about render to texture? |
| 07:00.04 | AlphA_VsT | nope |
| 07:00.19 | DivinityOne | meh |
| 07:00.45 | DivinityOne | okay how do i create a voice pack for my civs |
| 07:01.06 | DivinityOne | apperantly by default they dont have one... my civs are mute in game... |
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| 07:01.21 | DivinityOne | i hope the devs did make one... and its just not enabled or something |
| 07:03.55 | tordy | is there a way to make texture snap to grid? |
| 07:08.20 | AlphA_VsT | um they already do.... |
| 07:08.27 | tordy | say hwhat! |
| 07:08.41 | tordy | i mean the placement of textures |
| 07:09.22 | tordy | to make it easier to make checkerboard-like areas |
| 07:09.39 | AlphA_VsT | ohhh |
| 07:09.55 | AlphA_VsT | you mean for copy and paste? no |
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| 07:28.04 | HeyRevolver | ~seen currydevil |
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| 07:28.18 | HeyRevolver | oh damn he long gone |
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| 07:30.40 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 07:38.45 | DivinityOne | bah |
| 07:38.51 | DivinityOne | i can find no way to use RRT |
| 07:38.54 | DivinityOne | RTT* |
| 07:39.28 | DivinityOne | i can set a dialge to use a render to texture chanel... but... what kind of dilague do i attach it to... |
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| 07:51.53 | AlphA_VsT | image? |
| 07:51.55 | AlphA_VsT | idono |
| 07:56.25 | Technomancer | ? |
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| 09:42.53 | Technomancer | MEW |
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| 09:53.09 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 09:59.43 | AlphA_VsT | fucking crappy as shit grrrr |
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| 10:24.33 | AlphA_VsT | frustrating :D |
| 10:41.43 | A1win | ooh the double ability smartcast ability works :o |
| 10:42.08 | A1win | if I right click a damaged building that can be interacted with, the SCV is issued an order to interact with it, followed by a queued repair order |
| 10:43.05 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 10:43.15 | AlphA_VsT | Im getting pissed off |
| 10:43.40 | AlphA_VsT | I need a unit to unit type function |
| 10:44.59 | A1win | the only weird thing is that it automatically creates the queued ability but I guess it can be get used to |
| 10:45.13 | A1win | at least it should be apparent what it's for |
| 10:45.49 | AlphA_VsT | yuo hope so :D |
| 10:48.16 | A1win | time for some icon editing... adding the green borders to the two custom resources xO |
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| 10:48.43 | Eldrazor | good morning, sirs |
| 10:48.53 | Eldrazor | and hey ripperroo |
| 10:49.05 | AlphA_VsT | hey |
| 10:49.17 | A1win | do I need an mpq editor to extract images? |
| 10:49.50 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 10:49.53 | AlphA_VsT | mpqedit |
| 10:50.02 | AlphA_VsT | its like 5mb :P |
| 10:50.31 | Eldrazor | not as far as i know |
| 10:50.34 | Eldrazor | you can just right-click the image |
| 10:50.38 | Eldrazor | and click "Export" |
| 10:51.11 | A1win | I have an mpq editor, I was just asking if I need that or if it's possible to do in a simpler way ;p like that... |
| 10:51.43 | AlphA_VsT | why would you do such a thing |
| 10:51.53 | A1win | do what? |
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| 10:52.23 | AlphA_VsT | You should extract the whole thing and just keep it handy |
| 10:52.23 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 10:52.30 | A1win | x_X |
| 10:53.09 | A1win | Eldrazor, umm... right click where? |
| 10:53.26 | A1win | nevermind |
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| 10:53.39 | AlphA_VsT | this is driving me crazy |
| 10:54.15 | A1win | err then... what do I need to convert a dds image to a more common format D: |
| 10:54.28 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 10:54.45 | AlphA_VsT | plug in for PS or grimp i think has a converter |
| 10:55.12 | A1win | nevermind, this can already do it |
| 10:55.18 | AlphA_VsT | what can? |
| 10:55.27 | A1win | paint shop pro |
| 10:55.35 | AlphA_VsT | who the fuck uses that shit |
| 10:55.45 | AlphA_VsT | they still make that? |
| 10:55.52 | A1win | dunno, this is a pretty old version |
| 10:55.54 | A1win | works for me |
| 10:55.57 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 10:56.12 | A1win | I have photoshop somewhere too but never bothered to learn all the controls :P |
| 10:56.18 | Eldrazor | you can just download GIMP |
| 10:56.23 | A1win | have that too ;p |
| 10:56.24 | Eldrazor | and then the .dds plugin for GIMP |
| 10:56.44 | AlphA_VsT | i have unit types in a variable and i need to set that to " Unit - Set (Unit) Maximum Life to Life" |
| 10:56.47 | A1win | apparently my dds images are already associated with gimp too :P forgot I did some editing for another map some time aog |
| 10:56.58 | AlphA_VsT | hahaha |
| 10:58.18 | AlphA_VsT | I know this is not very possible but I need to figure it out without having to list every unit :D |
| 10:58.31 | AlphA_VsT | but i might have to :( |
| 10:59.38 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 10:59.49 | AlphA_VsT | idono how to explain it |
| 10:59.50 | Eldrazor | pick every unit in region |
| 10:59.53 | A1win | "maximum life of life"? :P |
| 10:59.58 | Eldrazor | you can specify a unit type in there |
| 10:59.59 | A1win | you mean maximum life of a unit type? |
| 11:00.09 | AlphA_VsT | life is a varible |
| 11:00.11 | Eldrazor | i suggest you do this through upgrades, however |
| 11:00.29 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.35 | A1win | do you mean you want to modify every unit on the map of a given type? |
| 11:00.41 | Eldrazor | why not use upgrades? :S |
| 11:00.56 | AlphA_VsT | but its a lot more work |
| 11:01.14 | Eldrazor | k |
| 11:01.16 | Eldrazor | well |
| 11:01.19 | Eldrazor | like i said |
| 11:01.24 | Eldrazor | pick every unit in region |
| 11:01.27 | AlphA_VsT | and stacking behaviour can cause lag |
| 11:01.28 | Eldrazor | then region entire map |
| 11:01.34 | Eldrazor | upgrade =/= behavior |
| 11:02.10 | Eldrazor | pick each unit in unit group* |
| 11:02.53 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.12 | Eldrazor | then set the max life for picked unit |
| 11:03.15 | AlphA_VsT | I just need to turn a integer into a unit :P |
| 11:03.52 | A1win | eww this plugin saves the image in bad quality and I dunno how to choose proper settings D: |
| 11:03.57 | A1win | maybe I should just use a tga? ;p |
| 11:04.12 | AlphA_VsT | or a unit type into a integer |
| 11:04.21 | Eldrazor | switch |
| 11:04.23 | AlphA_VsT | hmm maybe thats what I should do |
| 11:04.28 | Eldrazor | or no |
| 11:04.33 | Eldrazor | a for loop |
| 11:04.37 | Eldrazor | with if then else |
| 11:05.03 | Eldrazor | for each int 0 to <amount of unit types> |
| 11:05.49 | Eldrazor | if picked unit = Unit Default Stats[int].Unit |
| 11:05.59 | Eldrazor | then set life blablabla |
| 11:06.00 | Eldrazor | break |
| 11:07.00 | Eldrazor | dont forget the break, it prevents the game from going continuing to check after the answer has already been found |
| 11:11.52 | AlphA_VsT | HA! |
| 11:12.13 | Eldrazor | ? |
| 11:12.15 | AlphA_VsT | (Unit type of Unit) == Unit list[Counter] |
| 11:12.25 | AlphA_VsT | thank god :D |
| 11:12.43 | Eldrazor | ^^ |
| 11:13.58 | AlphA_VsT | unit to integer YAY! |
| 11:14.04 | A1win | uff this is compressing the dds image so much that the green borders "flow" into the image that's within them x_X |
| 11:14.26 | Eldrazor | there shouldn't be any green borders on the image to begin with |
| 11:14.35 | Eldrazor | for buttons |
| 11:14.37 | Eldrazor | as far as i know |
| 11:14.40 | A1win | it's a resource icon |
| 11:14.51 | Eldrazor | where's the compression coming from then? |
| 11:14.57 | A1win | I have no idea =p |
| 11:15.04 | A1win | I'll just use a tga |
| 11:15.05 | A1win | :P |
| 11:15.25 | Eldrazor | you using GIMP? |
| 11:15.42 | AlphA_VsT | dss is heavily compressed :P |
| 11:15.54 | A1win | nah had a plugin for psp |
| 11:16.19 | Eldrazor | it works fine with GIMP for me |
| 11:17.34 | A1win | mmh is tga even supposed to work? |
| 11:18.22 | AlphA_VsT | yeah tga works |
| 11:18.36 | AlphA_VsT | tga and dds are the only ones i know that are supported |
| 11:18.39 | A1win | ah yeah just had to be uncompressed |
| 11:19.36 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 11:20.37 | A1win | err, it's displayed wrong :S shifted a bit towards the center, so that its left and right border are at the center of the icon instead of where they should |
| 11:22.06 | AlphA_VsT | YAY deleted one old trigger |
| 11:22.58 | AlphA_VsT | so then offset the imagie by 1/2 :D |
| 11:23.50 | A1win | <.< |
| 11:24.15 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 11:24.16 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-28%2013_22_46.jpg |
| 11:24.33 | A1win | bah I guess I'll update gimp and get the plugin |
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| 11:24.57 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 11:25.12 | AlphA_VsT | probably best |
| 11:25.44 | A1win | err except that I seem to have the newest version already |
| 11:27.08 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 11:27.13 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 11:29.48 | AlphA_VsT | i need to work on my terrain :D |
| 11:30.22 | AlphA_VsT | its getting done though |
| 11:30.31 | A1win | ah seems to work |
| 11:30.38 | A1win | the plugin at least ;p |
| 11:30.41 | A1win | no compression errors |
| 11:30.42 | AlphA_VsT | yay |
| 11:30.49 | AlphA_VsT | http://i43.tinypic.com/15y6wip.jpg PRETTY! |
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| 11:31.09 | AlphA_VsT | editor SS yay |
| 11:33.08 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-28%2013_32_18.jpg |
| 11:33.35 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 11:34.10 | AlphA_VsT | I like my terrian more :D |
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| 11:35.04 | A1win | your terrain doesn't have tens of thousands of rocks that are randomly generated and can be mined ;p |
| 11:35.51 | A1win | so in a way I prefer mine :P |
| 11:36.20 | AlphA_VsT | lol :D |
| 11:37.14 | AlphA_VsT | dont make me zombie you :D |
| 11:44.50 | Eldrazor | you knoww |
| 11:44.53 | Eldrazor | what's annoying |
| 11:44.57 | Eldrazor | is when you're like "Oh i have to fix this" |
| 11:44.59 | Eldrazor | then you get distracted |
| 11:45.02 | Eldrazor | and forget what you had to fix |
| 11:45.03 | Eldrazor | :( |
| 11:45.46 | AlphA_VsT | YES! |
| 11:45.50 | AlphA_VsT | i hate that |
| 11:46.06 | AlphA_VsT | grrr something is broken in my map :D |
| 11:47.23 | Eldrazor | same here |
| 11:47.26 | Eldrazor | but i can't remember what |
| 11:47.30 | Eldrazor | :( |
| 11:47.57 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 11:48.40 | AlphA_VsT | whats odd is it works with the placed units but not the spawned ones |
| 11:48.59 | Eldrazor | what's your pick unit action? |
| 11:50.01 | AlphA_VsT | its not |
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| 11:51.06 | AlphA_VsT | probably shouldnt have pasted here but what ever |
| 11:51.17 | Eldrazor | erhm |
| 11:51.27 | Eldrazor | (Unit type of Unit) |
| 11:51.30 | Eldrazor | what's Unit? |
| 11:51.43 | Eldrazor | where is Unit defined? |
| 11:51.48 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.21 | Eldrazor | so it's a parameter |
| 11:52.23 | Eldrazor | what's the input? |
| 11:52.34 | AlphA_VsT | Unit |
| 11:53.07 | Eldrazor | so where do you change the value of the Unit variable? |
| 11:53.38 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.01 | AlphA_VsT | which is last created unit |
| 11:55.05 | Eldrazor | why do you set the unit's life value to the unit's life value btw? |
| 11:55.24 | Eldrazor | and i'm afraid i can't follow your chain of events |
| 11:55.29 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 11:55.35 | AlphA_VsT | i can hardly follwo either :P |
| 11:56.01 | Eldrazor | there's most likely something wrong with your variable Unit |
| 11:56.34 | A1win | errm, I'm trying to make an actor that has an always lowered supply depot, but for some reason it disappears after a while O_o |
| 11:56.36 | Eldrazor | try to look for locations values are assigned to the variable Unit |
| 11:56.57 | Eldrazor | A1win how did you make it always lowered? |
| 11:57.10 | A1win | setting its animation to Stand Burrow |
| 11:57.16 | AlphA_VsT | yeah soemthing is wrong with that setting |
| 11:57.27 | AlphA_VsT | when i disable the function it works... |
| 11:57.55 | Eldrazor | look at how the original supply depot does it |
| 11:57.58 | Eldrazor | and copy that |
| 11:57.59 | A1win | I guess the Stand Birth has a duration or something |
| 11:58.04 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 11:58.05 | A1win | *Stand Burrow |
| 11:58.25 | AlphA_VsT | pause animation? |
| 11:58.29 | A1win | maybe I should just remove this event that destroys it after the animation is done |
| 11:58.32 | A1win | :P |
| 11:58.35 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 11:58.37 | Eldrazor | hrm |
| 11:58.39 | Eldrazor | i don't know... |
| 11:58.49 | Eldrazor | i think that helps keeping your actor intact! :P |
| 11:59.53 | A1win | it still disappears x.x |
| 12:00.12 | A1win | hmm |
| 12:00.32 | A1win | play forever flag seems to help :P |
| 12:00.46 | A1win | or not |
| 12:00.47 | AlphA_VsT | I wish You could some how load a tileset thats been imported to the map :P through triggers |
| 12:00.48 | A1win | x_X wtf |
| 12:01.04 | AlphA_VsT | pause animation |
| 12:01.59 | A1win | mmh the original supply depot applies an animation group to it when the morph finishes... |
| 12:02.30 | Eldrazor | so make it do that upon ActorCreation |
| 12:04.03 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 12:04.08 | A1win | gahh |
| 12:04.17 | A1win | why'd they make the actors so unintuitive x.x |
| 12:04.31 | Eldrazor | i'm more annoyed with the actor event editor |
| 12:04.38 | Eldrazor | you can't sort the events |
| 12:04.39 | Eldrazor | or anything |
| 12:04.46 | Eldrazor | now |
| 12:04.48 | Eldrazor | how would i go about |
| 12:04.50 | Eldrazor | making a Drag ability |
| 12:05.37 | Eldrazor | that basically makes target unit be dragged after source unit |
| 12:05.44 | Eldrazor | until source unit cancels |
| 12:06.57 | A1win | now it says burrowed like 3 seconds and then instantly unburrows :P |
| 12:07.00 | A1win | *stays |
| 12:07.22 | Eldrazor | remove everything that tells it to unburrow |
| 12:07.48 | A1win | it doesn't have anything that tells it to do so, it's unburrowed by default |
| 12:07.56 | AlphA_VsT | I figgured iut out haha 0.o |
| 12:08.02 | A1win | I tell it to burrow but it doesn't keep doing it forever |
| 12:08.39 | AlphA_VsT | something is wrong with "Variable - Set Life Value = (Unit Default Stats[Unit Value].Life + Unit Default Stats[Unit Value].Life Upgrade)" now to figgure out hwta |
| 12:08.43 | AlphA_VsT | what |
| 12:09.02 | A1win | hmm maybe now... |
| 12:09.22 | A1win | I removed the Opening and Closing info from animation bracket start and made it Instant and Play Forver |
| 12:09.26 | A1win | *Forever |
| 12:09.30 | A1win | o: seems to work |
| 12:10.38 | AlphA_VsT | haha why the fuck do i add. the same thing to each other |
| 12:10.43 | AlphA_VsT | fucking morn |
| 12:10.48 | AlphA_VsT | moron even |
| 12:11.49 | AlphA_VsT | but also I forgot to run the unit stats and stuff on map start |
| 12:11.53 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 12:12.00 | AlphA_VsT | so they had 0 life... |
| 12:12.22 | AlphA_VsT | which I assume means they are invisible |
| 12:12.42 | AlphA_VsT | as they took no damage :D |
| 12:23.52 | AlphA_VsT | hope this works |
| 12:46.19 | AlphA_VsT | it work :D |
| 12:46.55 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! " Variable - Set Life Value = ((Unit Stats[Unit Value].Life * (Real(Player Counter))) * Difficulty)" |
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| 12:48.35 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
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| 12:50.29 | SaVi | Hey someone here? |
| 12:51.08 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 12:51.57 | SaVi | Just wanted to ask how I import downloaded libarys^^ |
| 12:54.06 | AlphA_VsT | um have the library thing open |
| 12:54.36 | AlphA_VsT | right click / library |
| 12:54.40 | AlphA_VsT | import |
| 12:55.53 | SaVi | way too easy to find it out without help XDF |
| 12:56.12 | SaVi | thanks |
| 12:56.17 | AlphA_VsT | welcome |
| 12:56.24 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 12:57.49 | A1win | what causes an SCV to not auto acquire targets when it's stopped? |
| 12:58.17 | AlphA_VsT | um its a flag a ithink |
| 12:59.27 | A1win | hopefully not the worker flag cause I'm using it for a lot of filters in triggers x.x |
| 13:00.30 | AlphA_VsT | oh no |
| 13:00.52 | A1win | well it doesn't seem to be a unit flag then |
| 13:00.52 | AlphA_VsT | its a wepon filter or something |
| 13:01.10 | AlphA_VsT | Im pretty sure its on the wepon |
| 13:01.45 | Ahli | unit, default aquire level I think |
| 13:02.04 | A1win | ah |
| 13:02.06 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 13:02.08 | AlphA_VsT | that |
| 13:03.19 | A1win | yeah that was it |
| 13:06.46 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 13:07.27 | A1win | it priorizes attacking over auto-repair now though, but now that repair can be smart cast I guess it's not a problem |
| 13:09.51 | AlphA_VsT | no idea |
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| 15:35.34 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 15:38.42 | A1win | the "power up" idea for the minable crystals wasn't that great after all, not all players are supposed to be mining all the time so it'd only reward those who mine... and abilities already have a cooldown as a cost, so another cost to that would be annoying |
| 15:40.45 | A1win | what I'm considering now is making the crystals do something passive, something that is always a good thing just to make you want to mine the crystals, and I came up with the idea of leveling up different structure types with different crystals... so you'd just turn them in to the command center and after enough crystals, all structures of a type would gain a level which would boost their primary attribute (like damage for turrets or fuel conserving ... |
| 15:40.51 | A1win | ... for power generators) |
| 15:41.43 | A1win | and those would be rather small increases but enough to make you always want to mine the crystals if you find some |
| 15:42.25 | A1win | and I'd be able to add different types of crystals for improving different structures |
| 15:43.32 | A1win | I still need to figure out how to display the level up progress on the UI though... if I hide it to the info panel of each structure, it might not be apparent enough |
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| 15:48.20 | egod | is there any tutorial about exporting some (image/model) files in a dependencies mods to save space in my map when uploading it on Bnet? i cant find one |
| 16:32.39 | JademusSreg | A1, define the fundamental problem with crystals. |
| 16:41.20 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
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| 17:04.48 | A1win | JademusSreg, I want them in the map. They don't want to be in it :< |
| 17:04.57 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:10.07 | Vailreth | what would be better one big dialog that has all over my overlays or a group of smaller dialogs for each set of overlay types? |
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| 17:10.59 | A1win | all the ways I've thought of using them so far have resulted in having to balance them with some other resource, and because they are acquired in the same way as Neosteel, it's just become an issue of keeping them in balance with neosteel |
| 17:11.02 | JademusSreg | Depends on what they are doing, Vail. |
| 17:11.51 | Vailreth | some are providing overlay borders for the minimap and command card and others will be there to track info |
| 17:12.09 | JademusSreg | For instance, if I need to move stuff around on a player basis, I make a single large dialog and simulate dialogs with Panel controls, which are just containers for other controls, since dialog position is global and not player instanced. |
| 17:12.15 | Vailreth | right now i only have the command pannel and minimap overlays done and only for zerg.. |
| 17:12.41 | A1win | so now the idea of making them just instantly leveling up the structures would make the players always want to mine the crystals when they find them, but wouldn't have to worry about them afterwards |
| 17:13.03 | JademusSreg | A1, there needs to be some risk versus reward in the mechanic. |
| 17:14.03 | JademusSreg | I imagine in their recent iterations there is no risk, it's a simple harvest mechanic. |
| 17:14.55 | JademusSreg | But adding either risk or a delayed gratification aspect to its mechanic will make players think about when to attempt acquiring them. |
| 17:15.11 | A1win | mining should be simple, there are a lot of other things the players need to think about and having to figure out whether they should mine this rock or not just gets too confusing |
| 17:15.16 | AlphA_VsT | omg |
| 17:15.52 | JademusSreg | For instance, in the Civilizations games, Tribal Huts could provide bonuses like map vision or research or gold, but they might also result in a barbarian spawn. |
| 17:16.14 | JademusSreg | That's a fine example of a risk versus reward resource in a strategy game. |
| 17:16.44 | A1win | there are plenty of decisions like that the players can make already |
| 17:16.46 | JademusSreg | In Tiberian Sun, randomly spawned crates could give you veterency bonuses or credits, but might also explode and kill the units capturing the crate. |
| 17:17.38 | JademusSreg | On the other hand, a delayed gratification mechanic can be used to make players consider the value of Get It Now against Get It Later, when it might be worth more. |
| 17:18.21 | A1win | I don't want them to leave the crystals behind, the black mask that hides them just isn't very good at reminding players of things they've left behind |
| 17:18.51 | A1win | and that's a technical limit that can't really be worked out... but there are other objects they make decisions like that for |
| 17:19.11 | JademusSreg | "Trying to make it balanced with neosteel" is not indicative of the source of the issue. |
| 17:19.37 | Vailreth | what about making them a self renewing resource that players have to defend? |
| 17:19.48 | A1win | they already have vespene geysers for that |
| 17:22.04 | A1win | I want minerals to be just another kind of a minable tile to make mining a bit more interesting, otherwise you'd only have debris rocks and metal ore rocks to mine |
| 17:22.51 | Vailreth | then make the take more time to mine and provide a higher resource bonus? |
| 17:23.58 | A1win | it'd feel silly if they gave the same resource as the other rocks |
| 17:24.07 | Vailreth | maybe make them volitile if at all possible so whle being harvested they have a chance to go kaboom |
| 17:24.42 | Vailreth | as for being an indenpendant resorce maybe they can be an alternative fule? |
| 17:25.55 | A1win | the problem is that they are mined *while* the players are mining for metal, so they're basically gained over time |
| 17:26.14 | A1win | the players can't decide to go mining for crystals, because they can't reach them without mining everything else at the same time |
| 17:26.43 | Vailreth | how does that effect what they are used for? |
| 17:26.45 | A1win | (a part of the problem) |
| 17:27.49 | A1win | because having enough of crystals vs having enough of another resource would be completely random, the players wouldn't have much to do with whether the amounts are right or not |
| 17:28.08 | A1win | now if they are low on neosteel, they need to go mining |
| 17:28.36 | A1win | if they are low on gas, they need to conserve it by not producing anything, or by preventing their turrets from wasting it for example by killing the enemies with a goliath instead |
| 17:28.52 | A1win | if they need more vanadium, they need to have enough neosteel and enough gas to produce it |
| 17:29.20 | A1win | if they don't have enough crystals, they'd need to go mining in the exact same way as they'd go mining for neosteel |
| 17:29.57 | A1win | so there should be no such thing as "not enough crystals", which is why I'm thinking of making them just slowly level up the buildings |
| 17:31.14 | A1win | so crystals are practically a side product of gaining more neosteel |
| 17:32.12 | Vailreth | ok so, why does thet prevent them from being an aditional and optional fuel source? |
| 17:34.58 | A1win | mmh I suppose it wouldn't, though I've thought of adding zerg eggs that'd contain vespene near hatcheries |
| 17:35.44 | A1win | and if they were an alternate fuel source, I'd also need something where they are converted into fuel... it wouldn't make much sense if you mined minerals and they'd turn into vespene gas |
| 17:36.06 | Vailreth | thats true. |
| 17:38.02 | Vailreth | how are you doing the vespene costs for acttions?? |
| 17:38.34 | A1win | vespene is used by power generators when they generate power |
| 17:38.50 | A1win | 1 vespene per second per 5 units of power |
| 17:39.33 | A1win | a forge, for example, uses 4 units of power to convert 1 neosteel into 1 vanadium in 0.5 seconds |
| 17:39.33 | Vailreth | ok but how are they converting it? behavior effects or triggers? |
| 17:39.39 | A1win | triggers |
| 17:39.43 | A1win | it's a very complex system D: |
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| 17:40.55 | A1win | I have structures linked into power grids and each grid has its own power consumption and supply depending on what's linked to it |
| 17:41.04 | Vailreth | well you could have a Generator Reffit that makes an individual generator use crystal first if the player has it and have it toggleable.. |
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| 17:41.16 | Vailreth | woyld that require to much rework? |
| 17:42.14 | A1win | I don't think that kind of macromicroing would be fun, there's already plenty of that with turning structures on/off for conserving power and starting different production etc |
| 17:43.10 | A1win | so the zerg eggs that can be found might be a better idea for an alternative fuel source |
| 17:43.33 | Vailreth | its not alternative its just diffrent sourced.. |
| 17:43.52 | A1win | same thing |
| 17:44.08 | A1win | I mean I don't need any more comlexity to base management |
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| 17:47.53 | Vailreth | hello Daara. |
| 17:48.33 | Daara | good monring |
| 17:48.37 | Daara | morning too |
| 17:48.45 | Vailreth | heh |
| 17:50.18 | AlphA_VsT | i would read all that... but no |
| 17:50.46 | Daara | so i'm thinking shadow strike for rogue |
| 17:51.01 | Daara | and aimed shot / trap for ranger as my last 3 abilities |
| 17:51.16 | Daara | then i can do some touch ups and start testing it online |
| 17:51.20 | Vailreth | i see |
| 17:52.42 | Daara | i wanna get like 5-8 ppl |
| 17:53.20 | Eldrazor | are you in US or EU? |
| 17:57.49 | Daara | US |
| 17:58.10 | Eldrazor | is map night large in the US? |
| 17:58.24 | Daara | not sure i never really pay attention to it |
| 17:58.33 | Daara | i watch the videos on the front page and that's about it |
| 17:59.58 | Eldrazor | well |
| 18:00.04 | Eldrazor | you could check out map night for starters |
| 18:00.58 | Eldrazor | it's pretty big in the EU |
| 18:01.02 | Eldrazor | or well... big... |
| 18:01.15 | Eldrazor | anyways |
| 18:01.15 | Eldrazor | dinner |
| 18:01.16 | Eldrazor | cya |
| 18:01.32 | Daara | later |
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| 18:19.24 | AlphA_VsT | i should start working on me map again |
| 18:19.27 | Fredypimp | Hey all |
| 18:20.11 | Fredypimp | I am pretty to sc2 editor and trying to learn by doing a "King of the Hill" kind map, but there's one ting I ca't figure out. |
| 18:20.27 | Fredypimp | pretty new* sorry |
| 18:21.17 | AlphA_VsT | whats that |
| 18:22.40 | Fredypimp | As for now, I got all my units selection triggers working very well, the victory condition works too, I gt it to give points to the team who has the nearest unit to the center of the region, but, I can't tell it to check for the units only in the region, it always looks for the nearest unit on the map.. |
| 18:23.39 | Fredypimp | AlphA_VsT, its a game where there is a zone in the center of te map that must control to gain points, and at X points, you win |
| 18:24.13 | AlphA_VsT | are you using closet unit to point? |
| 18:24.22 | Fredypimp | yes |
| 18:24.36 | Fredypimp | for the zone, i got a region with a point on the middle |
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| 18:25.32 | AlphA_VsT | thats probably why then |
| 18:26.14 | Fredypimp | :O |
| 18:27.30 | AlphA_VsT | because i think if i understand right you are checking for a unit closet to the middle of the map and not seeing if the unit is also within the middle |
| 18:27.46 | AlphA_VsT | so its jsut taking the first closet unit it can find in the whole map |
| 18:28.11 | Fredypimp | I also set up a condition wich checks is the region is not empty |
| 18:29.20 | AlphA_VsT | can you copy paste it to liek pastebin.com |
| 18:29.58 | Fredypimp | kk sec |
| 18:30.48 | Fredypimp | http://pastebin.com/9ccNK0NV |
| 18:30.52 | Fredypimp | there |
| 18:33.43 | AlphA_VsT | you dont need and :D |
| 18:33.48 | AlphA_VsT | its and by default |
| 18:33.51 | AlphA_VsT | fyi |
| 18:34.52 | Fredypimp | but i got a Or in it |
| 18:35.34 | AlphA_VsT | you dont need the and just the or but it doesnt matter really |
| 18:35.41 | Fredypimp | ok |
| 18:37.19 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah... you have nothing that says do not look at the whole map |
| 18:39.37 | Fredypimp | ok, ill try to find a way to dont check in the whole map |
| 18:41.28 | Vailreth | any one know anythingf about data object Tokens |
| 18:41.40 | AlphA_VsT | my editor isnt open but... |
| 18:42.07 | AlphA_VsT | you can either add a condition that says unit is within region or you can change the one you have |
| 18:46.22 | AlphA_VsT | if you need something more specific though... |
| 18:46.44 | A1win | are there any font styles with clear outlines? |
| 18:46.48 | A1win | *text styles |
| 18:47.53 | AlphA_VsT | no idea |
| 18:48.23 | Fredypimp | Alpha, woul the condition be something like Position of "Unit" == "region" |
| 18:48.58 | AlphA_VsT | A1 what is the trigger for unit is in region condtion? |
| 18:49.13 | AlphA_VsT | im playing minecraft lololol |
| 18:49.34 | AlphA_VsT | also i know there is a sheet of the font styles or a image or something someplace 0.o |
| 18:49.37 | A1win | there is no event for that |
| 18:49.53 | A1win | or just a function? |
| 18:50.04 | A1win | I think it's called Unit In Region |
| 18:50.50 | Fredypimp | oh well.. wasnt looking at the good place.. |
| 18:51.56 | AlphA_VsT | its a condtion :P |
| 18:52.22 | AlphA_VsT | making me open my editor |
| 18:52.24 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 18:54.39 | AlphA_VsT | Comparison |
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| 18:54.40 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.40 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.40 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.40 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.42 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.44 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.46 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.11 | A1win | that's an unit group |
| 18:56.18 | AlphA_VsT | so? |
| 18:56.55 | A1win | you can't compare a unit to an unit group |
| 18:57.13 | A1win | just use the Unit In Region |
| 18:57.19 | A1win | it returns true if the unit is in that region |
| 18:57.27 | A1win | Unit is in region <insert region here> == true |
| 18:58.06 | Fredypimp | An for "Any Unit"? |
| 18:58.27 | AlphA_VsT | but the value two of in region can be selected units |
| 18:58.33 | AlphA_VsT | which he is using |
| 18:58.40 | AlphA_VsT | so it makes sense :P |
| 18:59.24 | A1win | what's the issue exactly? <.< |
| 19:00.46 | AlphA_VsT | But yeah I would say redo it and jsut use unit enters region :P |
| 19:00.59 | AlphA_VsT | or do soemthing like.... |
| 19:01.01 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.22 | AlphA_VsT | but thats confuing and a hassle :P |
| 19:01.31 | AlphA_VsT | then you have to do a loop |
| 19:01.36 | AlphA_VsT | for player |
| 19:02.44 | Vailreth | man am i screwed |
| 19:02.47 | Vailreth | over |
| 19:03.41 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 19:04.27 | Vailreth | i need to create a validator that enables a buff only when a unit is under attack by uiits of a specific race |
| 19:04.29 | AlphA_VsT | its king of the hill right? you should only need to do anything when a unit enters the "hill" |
| 19:04.43 | Fredypimp | yea |
| 19:04.50 | Fredypimp | I think I just found a way to do it |
| 19:05.01 | AlphA_VsT | so do event unit enters region... |
| 19:05.16 | AlphA_VsT | instead of every 3 seconds |
| 19:05.22 | Fredypimp | ok |
| 19:05.29 | Fredypimp | and as an acion a pu a repeat? |
| 19:05.34 | Fredypimp | woa.. |
| 19:05.43 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 19:05.44 | Fredypimp | i write like a dick :S |
| 19:06.07 | Fredypimp | and as an action I put a repeat? (thats what I wanted to say) |
| 19:06.12 | AlphA_VsT | vailreth shouldnt be to hard :D |
| 19:06.37 | Vailreth | it is very hard as far as i can tell AlphA |
| 19:07.18 | AlphA_VsT | yeah fredy it should work with what you have... |
| 19:08.21 | Fredypimp | kk, im trying right now |
| 19:10.03 | AlphA_VsT | Yeah I would think so vailreth :D |
| 19:10.45 | Vailreth | i think i could use tokens to do so but i have no clue what to even start trying to do... |
| 19:11.00 | Eldrazor | does anyone know how to disable pushing allied units? |
| 19:11.07 | Eldrazor | i recall having the option to do so somewhere |
| 19:11.10 | Fredypimp | woaaaa |
| 19:11.10 | Eldrazor | but can't remember where |
| 19:11.17 | Fredypimp | That's nto working.. |
| 19:11.47 | AlphA_VsT | they do have a player race validator vailreth.... |
| 19:11.59 | Vailreth | i dont need player race |
| 19:12.06 | Vailreth | i need unit race |
| 19:12.50 | AlphA_VsT | well thats yoru fault for allowing someone to have more than there race for units :P |
| 19:13.52 | Vailreth | if you arent going to have constructive comments dont comment ....-_- |
| 19:14.38 | Vailreth | besides validating the player race ends up with the same issue |
| 19:14.57 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 19:17.19 | AlphA_VsT | HUGS! |
| 19:17.48 | AlphA_VsT | you can set a custom value on the unit and compare it with triggers? |
| 19:17.55 | Vailreth | no |
| 19:30.36 | AlphA_VsT | i tired :D |
| 19:31.02 | Vailreth | im sure its possible but its impracticle for my needs |
| 19:31.40 | AlphA_VsT | no idea what your needs are :D |
| 19:32.08 | Vailreth | to create a buff that causes units to take extra damage from zerg units only |
| 19:42.41 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-28%2021_37_24.jpg myserious numbers on the crystal icons ;O |
| 19:43.14 | A1win | percentage reaches 100%, overlay number increases by one (and a message is displayed saying that something just upgraded to the new level) |
| 19:45.06 | AlphA_VsT | looking good |
| 19:54.02 | Vailreth | maybe i should work on render to texture some more |
| 20:16.15 | Fredypimp | Anybody wants to try the map? you'll have your name in the loading screen :) |
| 20:17.23 | JademusSreg | What's the map? |
| 20:18.04 | Fredypimp | Squad Battle, a map I am working on, got 3 game mode on it for now :) |
| 20:18.23 | Fredypimp | You spawn some troops, then attack with them |
| 20:18.29 | Fredypimp | depending on your game mode |
| 20:19.11 | JademusSreg | Spawn some troops and attack in what sense? Like a Tug map? |
| 20:19.13 | Fredypimp | I need to test with some other people but I got no friends connected |
| 20:19.23 | Fredypimp | Its hard to explain :S |
| 20:21.06 | JademusSreg | Which features in particular require testing? |
| 20:21.29 | Fredypimp | Spawning at the end, and the King of the Hill gamemode |
| 20:22.05 | Fredypimp | Spawning at the end, i just want to see if after the supposed victory we can still spawn units |
| 20:22.21 | JademusSreg | And things are not so much hard to explain, in the sense of an objective quality of the thing, but rather a person might lack the capacity to articulate such an explanation. |
| 20:23.01 | Fredypimp | If you wanna help, come in the "Squad Battle" chat channel insc |
| 20:23.19 | JademusSreg | Sounds like something that doesn't require a user; it can be done with a computer player, or by oneself. |
| 20:23.58 | Fredypimp | not with the certains functions i need to test, how the map is made you spawn your things yourself |
| 20:24.22 | Fredypimp | And I don't really want to program an AI just for testing.. |
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| 20:29.33 | AlphA_VsT | i woudl help but im busy with minecraft |
| 20:29.35 | AlphA_VsT | lololol |
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| 20:47.08 | Vailreth | MineCraft |
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| 20:53.40 | DivinityOne | Solved my civ wepon issue.. |
| 20:53.58 | DivinityOne | i completly forgot about the game emchanic.. this idea is like a year old so some of it was lost on me ;p |
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| 21:37.11 | tordy | metta world peace sup |
| 21:37.19 | Vailreth | ? |
| 21:38.49 | Vailreth | Daara do you have any ideas for the other races or their hero abilities? |
| 21:40.44 | AlphA_VsT | sigh back to work :P |
| 21:42.06 | tordy | what happened to jmanv and his pocket warriors? :[ |
| 21:42.20 | Vailreth | no clue |
| 21:42.30 | A1win | haven't seen him around for a long time |
| 21:42.37 | JademusSreg | Soon after he broke it off with a girl he stopped frequenting the channel. |
| 21:42.44 | tordy | hi JademusSreg |
| 21:42.46 | AlphA_VsT | awww |
| 21:42.49 | AlphA_VsT | how sad |
| 21:42.50 | JademusSreg | Hi Tordy. |
| 21:42.55 | tordy | :/ |
| 21:43.06 | JademusSreg | Jman is still on battlenet frequently, just not here. |
| 21:43.11 | AlphA_VsT | you would think not having a woman would mean more free time :P |
| 21:43.16 | tordy | did he talk about pocket warriors? |
| 21:43.36 | tordy | does he have the motivation to work on it anymore? |
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| 21:44.05 | tordy | if so, i want to someone to continue his work (or start over w/ your own) because want something like this playable |
| 21:44.33 | AlphA_VsT | like what? |
| 21:45.02 | JademusSreg | I haven't talked to him since he left; don't feel inclined to chat people up on bnet. |
| 21:45.02 | tordy | iunnno |
| 21:48.57 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 21:49.01 | tordy | D: |
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| 21:52.32 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 21:52.51 | tordy | AlphA_VsT do you know how to get rid of randomization in cliffs? |
| 21:55.13 | AlphA_VsT | no :P |
| 21:55.16 | DivinityOne | whast pocket warriors? |
| 21:55.34 | AlphA_VsT | what i was wondering but he said he didnt know... |
| 21:55.39 | AlphA_VsT | even though he wants it... |
| 21:56.29 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 21:56.38 | DivinityOne | the name sounds like one of my map ideas on hold |
| 21:56.51 | tordy | pocket warriors? |
| 21:57.00 | tordy | pokemon-style map |
| 21:57.00 | DivinityOne | I dont know what that is |
| 21:57.07 | DivinityOne | Then its jsut like my idea |
| 21:57.16 | tordy | it's a lot of people's ideas |
| 21:57.21 | tordy | but how far is it in implementation? |
| 21:57.26 | tordy | and do you have anything to show yet? |
| 21:57.30 | tordy | if so i wanna see :) |
| 21:57.48 | DivinityOne | Mine is a merc manager, you own a merc outfit (kind aliek ryanor in campaign) and you hire.. train... trade mercs... compet in arenas and condut missions to earn cash.. etc |
| 21:57.56 | DivinityOne | Nope |
| 21:58.00 | DivinityOne | its jsut a design document |
| 21:58.11 | DivinityOne | working on my massive zombie ourbreak rpg atm |
| 21:58.13 | tordy | got so many ideas for maps |
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| 21:58.19 | tordy | a few design docs here and there |
| 21:58.29 | tordy | but never have the motivation or interest to get implentation beyond 5% |
| 21:58.34 | AlphA_VsT | I dont do design docs :P |
| 21:58.42 | AlphA_VsT | I just do it |
| 21:58.50 | tordy | that's totally fine |
| 21:58.56 | DivinityOne | I do beacuse if i dont and i lose motivation on the map.. i forget half the stuf fi wanted for it |
| 21:59.03 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:59.10 | tordy | i do like a half-assed design |
| 21:59.12 | AlphA_VsT | my problem is i end up overdoing things :P |
| 21:59.27 | AlphA_VsT | like totally over doing it |
| 21:59.40 | AlphA_VsT | case and point... paper zombies 0.o |
| 21:59.44 | tordy | and just write notes |
| 22:00.05 | tordy | ideas just pop up when im in 2 places |
| 22:00.19 | tordy | the bed (when im going to sleep) and in the bathroom |
| 22:00.34 | DivinityOne | paper zombies? |
| 22:00.47 | AlphA_VsT | its on hold... |
| 22:00.56 | tordy | forever |
| 22:01.31 | Eldrazor | how do you get the current value of a drop down dialog item? |
| 22:01.32 | DivinityOne | what was the idea? lol |
| 22:01.35 | AlphA_VsT | http://i56.tinypic.com/351egip.jpg |
| 22:01.43 | AlphA_VsT | that was one of the latest SS |
| 22:01.44 | tordy | i remember that |
| 22:01.49 | tordy | a looong time ago |
| 22:01.57 | AlphA_VsT | yeah :P |
| 22:02.04 | DivinityOne | that looks fun |
| 22:02.30 | tordy | anyone notice sc2 texture sets are all so dark |
| 22:02.50 | tordy | seeing a bright/white textured map really makes it unique |
| 22:02.58 | Fredypimp | Blizzard will add snowy environnements in HotS |
| 22:02.59 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:03.02 | tordy | iunno if it's just the lighting |
| 22:03.07 | tordy | but damn you see all the melle maps? |
| 22:03.10 | tordy | every single one |
| 22:03.15 | tordy | cept belshir beach |
| 22:03.20 | tordy | is dark |
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| 22:04.10 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:04.24 | DivinityOne | Change the lightign setting |
| 22:04.33 | DivinityOne | you can make them all much brighter |
| 22:04.44 | Fredypimp | lol |
| 22:04.47 | tordy | that's just gonna hurt the eyes |
| 22:05.09 | DivinityOne | There is a setting for time of day lighting on a map :p |
| 22:05.29 | DivinityOne | My current lighting is very dark.... and all untis sight range is reduced... |
| 22:05.47 | tordy | oh yea, for some reason when i duplicate a texture set and use it, the map turns into nighttime |
| 22:05.51 | tordy | how do i fix it back to day |
| 22:05.52 | DivinityOne | its kinda creepy walking down a road only to ahve a zombie lurch out of the shadows right in your face |
| 22:06.07 | DivinityOne | trigger |
| 22:06.11 | DivinityOne | day |
| 22:06.25 | tordy | why is it a trigger i didnt touch anything in the data |
| 22:06.41 | tordy | for the duplicated texture set over the original |
| 22:06.59 | AlphA_VsT | my current map is going to use a lot of time based elements :D |
| 22:07.07 | tordy | ur cr8 AlphA_VsT |
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| 22:07.22 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah my paper zombie map got out of hand when i started makign models.... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8753926/new%20copy.png |
| 22:13.27 | Mexa | hello |
| 22:13.46 | DivinityOne | hey |
| 22:14.07 | JademusSreg | Hey Mexaling. |
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| 22:15.36 | JademusSreg | Nice drop there, MExa. |
| 22:15.55 | tordy | Mexa: how's that dialog builder going along |
| 22:15.57 | Mexa_ | My net is abit angry today it seems. |
| 22:16.07 | tordy | the other guy stopped workin on it |
| 22:16.11 | Mexa_ | Ah tordy, it's halted as for now |
| 22:16.12 | tordy | so you're the only one left! |
| 22:16.15 | tordy | :( |
| 22:16.24 | Mexa_ | You mean doubotis? |
| 22:16.28 | tordy | ye |
| 22:16.38 | Mexa_ | Well, there's still one more guy |
| 22:16.42 | tordy | who |
| 22:16.48 | Mexa_ | The one I was planning to do mine as a module to |
| 22:16.56 | tordy | because whoever gets it out first, is gonna get it |
| 22:16.57 | Mexa_ | Beier and the galaxy++ editor |
| 22:16.57 | tordy | get the honies |
| 22:17.04 | Mexa_ | It's already out |
| 22:17.08 | Mexa_ | Kind of |
| 22:17.11 | tordy | wgere |
| 22:17.21 | Mexa_ | Still very primitive, but it works for basic things. |
| 22:17.47 | tordy | this one? |
| 22:17.47 | tordy | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/28973-dialog-drag-and-drop-designer/ |
| 22:18.09 | Mexa_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/third-party-tools/19619-galaxy-editor/ |
| 22:18.30 | Mexa_ | yeah, he is linking to the original thread |
| 22:18.34 | DivinityOne | i cant stand the galaxy ++ one |
| 22:18.35 | Mexa_ | from yours |
| 22:18.47 | DivinityOne | you need to be a coder to use it... other then that i use it for quick demenions |
| 22:19.00 | Mexa_ | Ah |
| 22:19.02 | Mexa_ | Well |
| 22:19.13 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:19.33 | Mexa | It's not that easy to add gui triggering support for external tools. |
| 22:19.55 | Mexa | Since of what I see, the trigger xml file is still decently complex. |
| 22:20.09 | tordy | i know it's not easy; but if you manage it, you'll be heralded as a great man |
| 22:20.16 | Mexa | ;) |
| 22:20.31 | DivinityOne | Mexa know how to sue RTT? |
| 22:20.38 | DivinityOne | I cant figure it out |
| 22:20.45 | Mexa | In what context, dialogs or items? |
| 22:21.05 | DivinityOne | dilogs i want to render portraits to a dialoge |
| 22:21.19 | Vailreth | as do i ] |
| 22:21.23 | Mexa | I haven't really understood them yet either. The trigger editor gives the tip to use them in conjuction with the offscreen property |
| 22:21.25 | DivinityOne | me first! |
| 22:21.40 | DivinityOne | yes thats all ti says... |
| 22:21.55 | DivinityOne | but i dont know how to attach it to a dialog.. |
| 22:22.23 | tordy | so is beier's usable? |
| 22:22.23 | Mexa | Oh you want a portrait in a dialog, huh? |
| 22:22.25 | DivinityOne | I'll keep testing it |
| 22:22.25 | tordy | now? |
| 22:22.32 | Mexa | tordy, it's with flaws |
| 22:22.40 | tordy | like what flaws |
| 22:22.47 | Mexa | It's useful for things like basic labels |
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| 22:23.05 | Mexa | It didn't took me all that long to get some debug code with one for instance |
| 22:23.07 | Mexa | Sec |
| 22:24.04 | Mexa | I'd say the usage of the dialog editor is not worth the time at the moment. |
| 22:24.13 | tordy | what's wrong with it |
| 22:24.19 | Mexa | It lacks features |
| 22:24.23 | tordy | like |
| 22:24.35 | Mexa | And it still has a bunch of bugs in the property window to the right |
| 22:24.41 | tordy | ok |
| 22:25.02 | tordy | so i guess i'll stick w/ the in-game dialog designer? |
| 22:25.04 | DivinityOne | So... you dont know how to render a portrait into a dilago based on a channel? |
| 22:25.09 | Mexa | Like, things such as setting the position of the dialog though the screen does not update the property values |
| 22:25.18 | tordy | cuz that at the very least is accurate depiction of in-game |
| 22:25.19 | tordy | since it's in-game |
| 22:25.44 | Mexa | yeah it's not that wysiwyg yet |
| 22:25.56 | Mexa | it's more wysiawyg |
| 22:26.47 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/This%20Is%20GUI.jpg |
| 22:27.00 | Mexa | lol |
| 22:27.32 | DivinityOne | So you dont know lol? |
| 22:27.41 | DivinityOne | No one seems to, not even on fourms... |
| 22:27.46 | tordy | im guessing you guys prefer notepad over dreamweaver when making web documents |
| 22:28.11 | Mexa | DivinityOne, oh, no, I have no idea |
| 22:28.19 | DivinityOne | k... |
| 22:28.29 | Fredypimp | Guys, I have a little question about something in the ditor |
| 22:28.32 | Mexa | Or well maybe. It could be you could have a portrait in a dialog using template |
| 22:28.32 | Fredypimp | editor* |
| 22:28.48 | JademusSreg | Naw, using an IDE is sweet. And even from designers are an acceptable departure from the sanctity of code. But GUI is an obese man on a rascal scooter. |
| 22:28.52 | Mexa | As since, you can have the minimap in a dialog for instance. |
| 22:29.16 | Fredypimp | What's a bank? is it using to store data and use it in another game on the same map?? |
| 22:29.19 | JademusSreg | *form designers |
| 22:29.29 | JademusSreg | Fred, that and even across different maps. |
| 22:29.41 | Fredypimp | Ok thanks :) |
| 22:30.03 | Mexa | tordy, as an example anyway, it takes no time in creating a dialog with labels to then use them. |
| 22:30.33 | JademusSreg | So users in the map Free Willy can save their progress and play the next map in the series, Go To County Jail For Indecent Exposure, for example. |
| 22:30.56 | tordy | who else is a good terrain guy in this irc? |
| 22:30.59 | tordy | besides Xaragoth |
| 22:31.03 | Mexa | And without the editor beier has, it would have taken a bunch more time. |
| 22:31.45 | Mexa | tody, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/Screenshot2012-01-28%2023_29_17.jpg it's sufficient to do such a dialog and labels with text like I have here |
| 22:32.15 | Mexa | It does have a dds browser too if I recall correctly, so it can use archived files as well. |
| 22:33.13 | Mexa | But for something more serious I would say it is not to be recommended right now. |
| 22:33.23 | tordy | how srs we talkin |
| 22:33.34 | Mexa | A fancy interface |
| 22:33.36 | tordy | not a stealth want so see Mexa's crazy dialogs |
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| 22:34.26 | Mexa | Give it some more time, and it should be more reliable, that's probably what I would say |
| 22:34.47 | Mexa | I imagine he did rush it out abit, to have people testing it. |
| 22:35.11 | Mexa | (or well, he did rush it, so don't imagine) |
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| 22:37.21 | Mexa | Meh, my parents is dropping by tomorrow, so I gotta go take care of some dishes. |
| 22:37.26 | Mexa | Seeya folks! |
| 22:37.30 | tordy | :( |
| 22:48.28 | Vailreth | i think i almost have render to texture working |
| 22:50.07 | DivinityOne | with channels and portraits? |
| 22:50.16 | Vailreth | yes |
| 22:50.21 | DivinityOne | If you figure it out please page me, i need to afk a few |
| 22:50.42 | Vailreth | the only hurdle im having is setting the active camera to the model camera |
| 22:52.12 | tordy | good evening friends |
| 22:53.49 | A1win | ahh I think this crystal level up thing is going to work out nicely |
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| 23:17.03 | Vailreth | i know what it is the stupid gui trigger is broken |
| 23:30.05 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-29%2001_25_33.jpg |
| 23:30.06 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-29%2001_27_54.jpg |
| 23:30.45 | Vailreth | damn you bilzzard damn you damn you |
| 23:31.23 | Fredypimp | ? |
| 23:32.19 | Vailreth | there is no way that i can see short of writing in galaxy a way to render to texture |
| 23:32.50 | Fredypimp | lol |
| 23:33.01 | Fredypimp | I cant help with you with that, sorry :S |
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| 23:47.46 | DivinityOne | I just had an idea. |
| 23:47.54 | Fredypimp | ? |
| 23:47.56 | DivinityOne | is is possible to give a channel to a texture.. a real one? |
| 23:48.03 | DivinityOne | @vail |
| 23:48.42 | DivinityOne | Maybe its literly a real texture that the channels applied to.. like a place holder... but the place holder needs to be predefined in the data editor... |
| 23:48.48 | DivinityOne | i'll look when i get a chance |
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