| 00:01.03 | Vailreth | w00t figured out an infection buff |
| 00:01.20 | DivinityOne | ? |
| 00:01.50 | DivinityOne | i already hve my buff as contageus :p |
| 00:02.22 | Vailreth | when my buff is activated it changes the owner of the afflicted unit to the caster of the behavior |
| 00:03.08 | DivinityOne | but i cant figure it out beacuse i have soooo many behavors in a string |
| 00:03.27 | Eldrazor | are all of them in the list of the first effect/behavior? |
| 00:03.46 | Eldrazor | and you should rly write the data tree down if you're making long chains |
| 00:03.58 | Eldrazor | :P |
| 00:04.04 | DivinityOne | apperantly it has no linked behavors.. |
| 00:04.15 | DivinityOne | beacuse im useign a validator to behin the chain |
| 00:05.19 | Eldrazor | you can't use a validator to begin something |
| 00:05.31 | Eldrazor | it's just an "if" in the chain |
| 00:05.41 | DivinityOne | nope... |
| 00:05.49 | DivinityOne | it enables my first behavor |
| 00:05.56 | DivinityOne | which starts everything ;p |
| 00:05.57 | Eldrazor | oh like that |
| 00:06.02 | Eldrazor | that's still |
| 00:06.03 | Eldrazor | impossible |
| 00:06.11 | Eldrazor | how do you start the first behavior? |
| 00:06.11 | DivinityOne | Well its a broken chain |
| 00:06.26 | Eldrazor | i forgot |
| 00:06.28 | Eldrazor | you told me somewhere |
| 00:06.41 | DivinityOne | with a proced behavor.. BUT that behavor dose not start the other chain... it just flips the validator to on |
| 00:06.53 | DivinityOne | beacuse i can have death incap working... unless it already exists |
| 00:07.05 | DivinityOne | and the only way to disable it if not ifnected... it to comapre with a validater... |
| 00:07.09 | DivinityOne | its a logic nigthmare |
| 00:07.51 | Eldrazor | ah yes |
| 00:08.00 | Eldrazor | soo |
| 00:08.16 | DivinityOne | why the heck cant i jsut say owner... to player 15! |
| 00:08.18 | Eldrazor | you have no link in data from player 15 to the unit |
| 00:08.21 | DivinityOne | i mean come on >_< |
| 00:08.42 | Eldrazor | cuz they want it to not have any values |
| 00:08.44 | Eldrazor | just variables |
| 00:08.46 | Eldrazor | apparantly |
| 00:09.24 | Eldrazor | well |
| 00:09.28 | DivinityOne | This is giveing me a headache... |
| 00:09.45 | DivinityOne | it suspsot to be the msot simple aspcet of my map yet its stone walling me... |
| 00:09.54 | Eldrazor | i'd suggest actually doing this part through triggers |
| 00:09.58 | Eldrazor | cuz otherwise |
| 00:10.16 | DivinityOne | well how am i suppost to make it triger properly... and immidatly.. |
| 00:10.24 | Eldrazor | effect |
| 00:10.27 | Eldrazor | that does absolutely nothing |
| 00:11.00 | Eldrazor | then use an event |
| 00:11.36 | Eldrazor | then just change owner |
| 00:11.45 | Eldrazor | let me create one for you |
| 00:13.34 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.37 | Eldrazor | that's the event |
| 00:13.39 | DivinityOne | na |
| 00:13.40 | Eldrazor | action: |
| 00:13.47 | DivinityOne | i have it |
| 00:13.48 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.49 | DivinityOne | easyer then that |
| 00:13.53 | DivinityOne | just condition.... |
| 00:13.57 | DivinityOne | unit had behavor.. |
| 00:14.00 | DivinityOne | change owner |
| 00:14.02 | DivinityOne | simple :p |
| 00:14.09 | Eldrazor | but when does it trigger? |
| 00:14.17 | DivinityOne | when a unit ahs behavor |
| 00:14.21 | DivinityOne | it aonly needs a condition |
| 00:14.25 | DivinityOne | not an event |
| 00:14.47 | Eldrazor | so |
| 00:14.49 | Eldrazor | what's the event |
| 00:14.51 | Eldrazor | of your trigger? |
| 00:15.08 | DivinityOne | periotic |
| 00:15.16 | Eldrazor | you want to run a trigger |
| 00:15.24 | Eldrazor | and use up processing |
| 00:15.30 | Eldrazor | every x seconds? |
| 00:15.36 | Vailreth | periodic triggers are a good way to lag games |
| 00:15.40 | Eldrazor | i mean |
| 00:15.44 | Eldrazor | how are you going to select the unit? |
| 00:15.48 | Eldrazor | do you pick all units with a behavior? |
| 00:15.54 | Eldrazor | or just... all units |
| 00:15.57 | Eldrazor | then go if/then/else? |
| 00:16.12 | Eldrazor | it's pretty much what vailreth said |
| 00:16.18 | Eldrazor | you want to avoid periodic triggers as much as possible |
| 00:16.29 | DivinityOne | ah even better |
| 00:16.35 | DivinityOne | unit uses ability |
| 00:16.44 | DivinityOne | so it applys ONLY when they morph |
| 00:16.45 | Eldrazor | but the unit doesn't use an ability |
| 00:16.46 | DivinityOne | as the evnt |
| 00:16.53 | Eldrazor | ah |
| 00:16.54 | Eldrazor | well |
| 00:16.55 | DivinityOne | i porder it to morph |
| 00:16.59 | DivinityOne | order |
| 00:16.59 | Eldrazor | i'd still say my way is cleaner :P |
| 00:17.21 | Eldrazor | and you should |
| 00:17.22 | Eldrazor | tbh |
| 00:17.37 | Eldrazor | always try to code as cleanly as possible |
| 00:17.44 | Eldrazor | it's a good habit |
| 00:19.08 | DivinityOne | well what was your way again ;p |
| 00:19.19 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.24 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.41 | Eldrazor | respectively Event & Action |
| 00:19.56 | DivinityOne | but how will that even trigger |
| 00:20.09 | DivinityOne | if no unit changes owner ;p |
| 00:20.18 | DivinityOne | and once it dose... its an infiant loop isnt it? |
| 00:20.26 | Eldrazor | why |
| 00:20.37 | Eldrazor | it's a one-shot event |
| 00:20.38 | DivinityOne | oh effect... |
| 00:20.47 | DivinityOne | i miss read |
| 00:20.49 | Eldrazor | :P |
| 00:20.55 | Eldrazor | well |
| 00:21.01 | Eldrazor | you can use anything you want for the event |
| 00:21.45 | Eldrazor | or wait |
| 00:21.49 | Eldrazor | did you use... |
| 00:22.15 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.18 | Eldrazor | as event? |
| 00:22.35 | Eldrazor | cuz that works just as cleanly |
| 00:22.43 | Eldrazor | if you make it trigger at the end of the morph ability |
| 00:31.12 | DivinityOne | woot did |
| 00:31.15 | DivinityOne | it* |
| 00:31.23 | DivinityOne | I ahd toe xspand that trigger... or it lagged bad |
| 00:31.29 | DivinityOne | i add'ed a condition |
| 00:31.40 | DivinityOne | so it can only ever run once per unit |
| 00:31.57 | DivinityOne | for some reason it was spamming it like crazy |
| 00:32.33 | Eldrazor | the effect? |
| 00:32.59 | DivinityOne | just my virus proc effect, if they have it dont run |
| 00:33.04 | DivinityOne | and i had the trigger apply it |
| 00:33.23 | DivinityOne | i need to test something else though |
| 00:33.51 | DivinityOne | if a infested civ begins til that behavor... will a civ morphing into an infected gain it naturaly... i need to see |
| 00:34.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (XenoX101@ppp118-209-40-192.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 00:35.44 | DivinityOne | looks good ;3 |
| 00:46.33 | Eldrazor | good |
| 00:46.34 | Eldrazor | :D |
| 00:47.24 | DivinityOne | Woot its finaly working |
| 00:47.36 | DivinityOne | now i need to add visual effects... |
| 00:49.18 | A1win | any ideas how to clean up the mess with the "Victory" and "Cargo" parts of the UI? http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-21%2002_48_08.jpg |
| 00:49.33 | A1win | they're scattered all over the place |
| 00:49.41 | A1win | the Cargo thing has a list of stuff in the cargo under it |
| 00:50.40 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-21%2002_50_08.jpg like this |
| 00:50.43 | DivinityOne | talking abotu the icons? |
| 00:51.03 | A1win | just the texts, the resource icons are fine |
| 00:51.46 | A1win | I mean those 7 resource icons + values are fine, but the Victory 0.4% and the Cargo: 76/450 and the list under it don't seem right |
| 00:51.48 | DivinityOne | looks fine to me >_> not sure what your trying to fix/change |
| 00:52.06 | A1win | they feel like they're scattered there |
| 00:52.32 | DivinityOne | Its the font size likely, change it up or down |
| 00:52.45 | DivinityOne | to my though it looks fine |
| 00:53.28 | DivinityOne | okay someone needs to teach me! |
| 00:53.37 | DivinityOne | How to i apply a visual effect to a unit... |
| 00:53.41 | DivinityOne | like an ura! |
| 00:53.42 | DivinityOne | aura* |
| 00:54.29 | DivinityOne | actualy i think onetwo had a turorial on that let me look |
| 00:55.18 | A1win | what if I swap the cargo icons to the right of the cargo values, and move them closer to the screen edge so that the numbers grow to the left instead of to the right |
| 00:55.53 | A1win | it's that empty space between the edge and the numbers that feels awkward |
| 01:02.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster xcorbo (be3e6c76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.62.108.118) |
| 01:03.29 | A1win | damn, this text style centers the text vertically, can't make it dynamically stretch downwards that easily |
| 01:03.29 | DivinityOne | So no one can tell me how to create a visual effect? |
| 01:04.10 | JademusSreg | Create a model actor. Make its actor event create the actor on Behavior.On |
| 01:04.19 | JademusSreg | And destroy on Behavior.Off |
| 01:04.41 | DivinityOne | how do i rpeview visual effects? |
| 01:08.43 | A1win | any ideas which font style would justify the text to right but not center it vertically like ModRight* styles do D: |
| 01:11.12 | DivinityOne | not a clue :p im brand new to the editor and i dont know anything about the ui tet |
| 01:11.14 | DivinityOne | yet* |
| 01:11.38 | A1win | ah, RightJustified seems to do the trick |
| 01:17.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@122-49-166-125.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 01:24.20 | DivinityOne | grrr |
| 01:24.23 | DivinityOne | whats it called! |
| 01:24.33 | DivinityOne | I cant find that green shield/swarm effect anywhere |
| 01:27.38 | Eldrazor | turn on previewer |
| 01:27.43 | Eldrazor | scroll through all models |
| 01:27.44 | Eldrazor | done |
| 01:27.44 | Eldrazor | :D |
| 01:28.45 | DivinityOne | i cant find a wasy way to do that |
| 01:28.47 | DivinityOne | :p |
| 01:29.06 | DivinityOne | there isa rpeviewer in data editor? not that exstra window? |
| 01:33.49 | DivinityOne | *bangs head aginst wall |
| 01:33.56 | DivinityOne | theres no way to justy scrole though them |
| 01:38.24 | A1win | how's that cargo display now... the label seems odd though since it's not centered, but it can't be always centered since the length of the text below it varies... http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-21%2003_36_31.jpg |
| 01:40.19 | DivinityOne | looks good |
| 01:40.55 | DivinityOne | Ugh i went though jsut about every modle that sounded like it could be it.. but i dont want to go though the thousands of others randomly! |
| 01:41.00 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-21%2003_40_30.jpg that's better |
| 01:41.14 | A1win | you said it looks good before I started fixing it, am I supposed to be convinced :P |
| 01:44.01 | DivinityOne | Yep :p |
| 01:54.52 | Daara | i don't fucking get this |
| 01:55.03 | Daara | i've never had a model do this |
| 01:56.03 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@p4FC550D0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:56.16 | DivinityOne | ? |
| 01:57.27 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/wut.jpg |
| 01:57.57 | Daara | the mesh on one hand gets all fucked up when i export it |
| 01:58.01 | DivinityOne | fun |
| 01:58.19 | Vailreth | yeah.. ouch |
| 01:58.38 | Daara | it has nothing to do with any stray bones, mesh, textures either |
| 01:58.46 | Daara | i don't know what's causing it |
| 01:59.24 | Daara | i thought it was maybe the death animation |
| 01:59.37 | Daara | but i removed the animation and the extra parts it used |
| 01:59.40 | Daara | and its still there -_- |
| 02:09.18 | Daara | has nothing to do with animations either -_- |
| 02:10.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster Torhal (~callahan@c-68-62-216-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 02:11.06 | Vailreth | the exporter is likey miss writing the position of some vertecies |
| 02:13.48 | Daara | it does it every time though -_- |
| 02:18.14 | Daara | its not the exporter either i guess |
| 02:18.22 | Daara | the unmodified model does it too |
| 02:18.34 | Daara | going to try a different water elemental model i guess |
| 02:19.24 | Vailreth | then it could be a bad export ? |
| 02:19.34 | Vailreth | can you fix it in max? |
| 02:19.43 | Daara | i don't see anything wrong in max |
| 02:19.45 | Daara | that's the problem lol |
| 02:20.06 | Vailreth | do you know how to check vertex weights? |
| 02:20.38 | Daara | not really |
| 02:20.54 | Vailreth | give me a second |
| 02:22.39 | Vailreth | there is a skin modifier on the object yes? |
| 02:23.15 | Vailreth | wait can you point me to the file you have some where? |
| 02:23.55 | Daara | i'll upload the model and 3ds max file |
| 02:24.19 | Vailreth | ill need the textures too.. |
| 02:25.30 | A1win | centered the victory progress display: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-21%2004_24_44.jpg |
| 02:26.23 | Daara | i know |
| 02:26.30 | Vailreth | ok |
| 02:27.16 | Daara | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/more-converted-wmos-wow-building/files/33-water-elemental/ |
| 02:28.22 | Vailreth | im pretty sure its a bad weight on some of the vertices |
| 02:32.28 | Daara | ganna go do another model while you check it out |
| 02:56.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Technomancer (6c1cefa8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.28.239.168) |
| 02:56.32 | Technomancer | yo |
| 02:58.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster xcorbo (be3e6c76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.62.108.118) |
| 03:00.41 | Eldrazor | nice to know you're back to working on that awesome-looking map, a1win :D |
| 03:01.01 | Eldrazor | but now, i leave |
| 03:01.02 | Eldrazor | baibai |
| 03:07.14 | Vailreth | well looks like i was mistaken it appeares to be weighted fine in max |
| 03:08.43 | Daara | i couldn't see anything wrong visually |
| 03:09.51 | Vailreth | im still leaning on that its the exporter miss calculating the position of some verts when writing to m3 format |
| 03:10.47 | Vailreth | did you trying bringing the m3 back in and checking it? |
| 03:12.25 | Daara | i'll check it again |
| 03:12.58 | Vailreth | i just did the m3 comes back into max ok |
| 03:13.40 | Vailreth | did you scale anything? |
| 03:13.58 | Daara | nope |
| 03:14.24 | Daara | all i do to the models is add armor, weapons, new texture, and attachement points |
| 03:14.36 | Vailreth | hm |
| 03:14.45 | Daara | unless it calls for some animating |
| 03:15.05 | Daara | even though it sucks without having the model rigged lol |
| 03:15.34 | Vailreth | nod |
| 03:15.53 | xcorbo | you need to take those changes into account |
| 03:16.14 | xcorbo | like, the armor you add probably doesn't get weighted/skinned properly with the old bones |
| 03:16.18 | Daara | i don't think it has to do with anything i'm doing |
| 03:16.25 | Daara | because if i export it strait from WMV |
| 03:16.27 | Daara | it does it too |
| 03:16.32 | xcorbo | Well, I don't know what the problem is :P |
| 03:16.41 | xcorbo | I just came so I was just guessing :P |
| 03:16.45 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/wut.jpg |
| 03:16.58 | xcorbo | oh lol |
| 03:17.10 | Vailreth | i think it may have something to do with overlaping unwelded verts |
| 03:17.10 | xcorbo | that has m3 exporter written all over |
| 03:18.03 | Daara | it's only happened to that model though so it's why i'm kinda just sitting here going ....wtf |
| 03:18.15 | Daara | actually i guess we'll see here soon |
| 03:18.19 | Daara | maybe its just the new version of WMV |
| 03:18.34 | xcorbo | WMV? |
| 03:18.41 | Daara | wow model viewer |
| 03:18.45 | xcorbo | windows media video? |
| 03:18.46 | xcorbo | oh |
| 03:18.48 | xcorbo | lol |
| 03:19.18 | xcorbo | wait, doesn't the exporter already has wow importing tools for max? |
| 03:19.37 | xcorbo | never use anything other than SC2 tools so I don't really know |
| 03:20.04 | Daara | nintox has the import export tool for 3ds |
| 03:20.36 | Daara | so whatever i make in wmv can be imported into max |
| 03:20.39 | Vailreth | he also has an import mdx script |
| 03:21.25 | xcorbo | that's what I mean. |
| 03:21.30 | xcorbo | Can't you use that one for max? |
| 03:21.35 | xcorbo | errr for wow* |
| 03:21.51 | Daara | don't think so |
| 03:21.56 | Daara | its just a script for max |
| 03:22.42 | xcorbo | can you give me that model? :P the one you're trying to import from wow |
| 03:23.03 | Daara | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/more-converted-wmos-wow-building/files/33-water-elemental/ |
| 03:23.13 | Daara | texture, model, and max file |
| 03:23.56 | xcorbo | but that's already an m3 |
| 03:24.09 | xcorbo | I wanted the wow model format to try from scratch |
| 03:24.23 | Daara | wow models are m2s |
| 03:24.31 | Daara | let me see if i can export as that |
| 03:24.47 | Daara | i can't -_- |
| 03:24.55 | xcorbo | don't you have it extracted already? |
| 03:24.56 | xcorbo | the m2? |
| 03:25.04 | Daara | it's converted to an m3 right away |
| 03:25.11 | xcorbo | how else did you get it into max |
| 03:25.12 | xcorbo | so |
| 03:25.19 | xcorbo | an m2 for this file doesn't exist? |
| 03:25.25 | Daara | i'm sure it does |
| 03:25.29 | Daara | i'd have to dig through the mpq file |
| 03:25.51 | xcorbo | ah |
| 03:25.58 | Technomancer | quick question |
| 03:26.00 | Daara | wait nvm |
| 03:26.03 | Daara | i can export as m2 |
| 03:26.08 | Daara | 1 sec |
| 03:26.27 | Vailreth | ok yes there is also an m2 import export .. |
| 03:26.35 | Technomancer | ok ill wait |
| 03:26.58 | Vailreth | whats your question |
| 03:27.06 | Vailreth | if its data related i can help |
| 03:27.14 | Technomancer | it is |
| 03:27.16 | Technomancer | so im in luck lmao |
| 03:27.32 | Vailreth | i dont know everything but i can likely help |
| 03:27.57 | Technomancer | this is fairly easy, im just out of practice from several months so i just need a quick job, its about projectile launch points. one min |
| 03:28.41 | Technomancer | so lets say i try to add a projectile to a unit like a zergling and it says "source target" by default for the launch location type |
| 03:28.45 | Daara | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/more-converted-wmos-wow-building/files/34-water-elemental-m2/ |
| 03:28.47 | Technomancer | err source unit |
| 03:29.10 | Daara | that won't come with a texture |
| 03:29.16 | Daara | so you'll need my other file too |
| 03:29.21 | Technomancer | Im trying to make a unit shoot an air projectile from a certain offset (zergling) Source unit makes it shoot from all over the place since there really isnt an anchor for that. if u make it source point, it shoots from dead middle, on the ground. that doesnt really help and i wanna do an offset but the offsets arent working |
| 03:29.45 | Technomancer | even tho i try to do the XYZ in Target: Launch Offset, it still remains at 0 0 0 |
| 03:29.50 | xcorbo | is this the same max scene |
| 03:29.54 | xcorbo | or right from the mpq? |
| 03:30.16 | xcorbo | cause if you just exported a bugged file i'll most likely import the same bug :P |
| 03:30.25 | Daara | that's right from the mpq pretty much |
| 03:30.30 | xcorbo | k |
| 03:30.32 | Daara | need the skin sorry 1 sec |
| 03:30.36 | Technomancer | So I just wanna find out how to change the launch point for a projectile that i can offset |
| 03:30.40 | Technomancer | at least for that kind |
| 03:30.46 | Technomancer | as it seems different from abilities :( |
| 03:31.02 | Vailreth | the attack actor should govern that i think |
| 03:31.20 | Vailreth | give me a sec to get the wheels moving |
| 03:31.31 | Technomancer | its in the effect actor that i found |
| 03:31.37 | Technomancer | err the effect |
| 03:31.44 | Technomancer | for launch missile |
| 03:31.47 | Technomancer | I see no offset in the actor... |
| 03:32.31 | Vailreth | in which actor? |
| 03:32.48 | Technomancer | Brutalisk Air Attack |
| 03:32.56 | Technomancer | thats the one i checked that doesnt |
| 03:32.59 | Technomancer | well |
| 03:33.06 | Technomancer | the effect is the one that does for (Launch Missile) |
| 03:33.28 | Technomancer | It has Target: Launch Offset |
| 03:33.41 | Technomancer | idk where else to check but that isnt working, at least for the launch location types i try... |
| 03:35.10 | Daara | i can't get it to export the skin -_- |
| 03:35.55 | Vailreth | ok the attack actor governs the launch and impact locations of missiles. may i ask did you give brutalisk anti air weapon to the zergling? |
