| 00:02.24 | DivinityOne | Have a few questions about unit line of sight. Is there a way to make a marine only able to fire at something within ITS line of sight, as opposed to the fog of wars line of sight? |
| 00:02.48 | DivinityOne | For example it cant shoot around a corner, but you as the player can see around it. |
| 00:12.41 | A1win | no simple way, you'll most likely need to program your own system with triggers |
| 00:14.10 | DivinityOne | Meh |
| 00:14.12 | DivinityOne | but triggers lag |
| 00:14.21 | DivinityOne | Or slow down other stuff... |
| 00:14.39 | DivinityOne | Maps already going to be quite trigger heavy as is. |
| 00:16.26 | DivinityOne | This map's probably way to ambitious for me anyway... going to give it a try though. |
| 00:16.29 | A1win | they only slow things down if they reach a certain threshold of processing time |
| 00:17.24 | DivinityOne | This maps going to take forever to make at my skill level, but least i'll learn stuff along the way. |
| 00:20.56 | DivinityOne | I hear bank data is limited, in the amount that can be saved. What really is that limit? Is it a filesize, or a entry size, or what? |
| 00:39.53 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/28875-trigger-bank-facts/ |
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| 00:49.56 | Boyoing | hi |
| 00:51.33 | Cardinal_ | Need help with something... perhaps Galaxy Scripted... |
| 00:51.42 | Cardinal_ | .Anyone available with some brain matter invested in that area? |
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| 00:53.08 | A1win | ugh can't figure out how to phrase this Microfiltering upgrade, the idea is that after it's upgraded, the Refinery that has it provides 50% more refined vespene from the raw vespene it harvests |
| 00:53.47 | Vailreth | that worls pretty good id think |
| 00:54.04 | Cardinal_ | Converts 50% more raw Vespene into refined Vespene |
| 00:54.05 | Vailreth | Cardinal what is your issue? |
| 00:54.07 | Cardinal_ | badaboom badabing |
| 00:54.31 | Cardinal_ | trigger function Create Cargo Units, gives no parameter for setting who 'owns' the created units. It defaults to the owner of the unit in which you are spawning the cargo. |
| 00:54.41 | Cardinal_ | I need to be able to create neutral units in player controlled cargo units |
| 00:54.49 | A1win | it converts raw vespene into 50% more refined vespene ;p |
| 00:54.51 | Cardinal_ | These neutral units cannot move. |
| 00:55.34 | Cardinal_ | Also, the default 'Load' ability button for Transport (ie on a bunker that calls up to 4 nearby valid units to enter), only searches for player owned units. Can't find how to change that either. |
| 00:55.45 | Vailreth | can you change the owner of the last created cago unit |
| 00:55.58 | Vailreth | as well i think its hard code |
| 00:56.05 | Cardinal_ | Surely, that won't work, since the units are not created at all. |
| 00:56.52 | Cardinal_ | By its wording, I assume it won't work. Will test nontheless |
| 00:58.16 | Cardinal_ | I suppose I could change the owner of the unit to 0 for a milisecond... then create the units... |
| 00:58.29 | Cardinal_ | but that'd be messy, and I'd feel like I've warped a decade back to SC1 modding. |
| 01:00.03 | Cardinal_ | And now my editor decides to crash... |
| 01:01.26 | Daara | save often :P |
| 01:01.33 | Cardinal_ | hahaha crashes pretty much constantly now... |
| 01:01.33 | Cardinal_ | sigh |
| 01:01.38 | Daara | =\ |
| 01:01.46 | Vailreth | i rarely see a crash |
| 01:01.54 | Cardinal_ | no, that time it was only the sc2.exe |
| 01:02.20 | Cardinal_ | I'm right in saying that Cargo == transported units? |
| 01:02.24 | Vailreth | ah SC2 loves to crash when parameters are out of bounds |
| 01:02.30 | Vailreth | yes |
| 01:02.32 | Cardinal_ | So any unit with a Transport ability, has Cargo? Eg; Bunker, Nydus, Medivac, Upgraded Overlords etc? |
| 01:02.41 | Vailreth | yes |
| 01:03.05 | Vailreth | as far as i understand it |
| 01:03.28 | Cardinal_ | it doesn't let me create cargo units, even if i give the unit to player 0 first, try create, then revert it back to original owner |
| 01:03.49 | Vailreth | i will try some tests |
| 01:04.56 | Daara | i could never get it to work either |
| 01:05.00 | Daara | so i created units outside |
| 01:05.05 | Daara | and ordered them inside |
| 01:05.27 | Cardinal_ | haha cant even test my map any more... crash on ctrl+f9 |
| 01:05.38 | Cardinal_ | @Daara - see, that is what I worried about. |
| 01:05.49 | Cardinal_ | Everyone has told me so far 'create cargo units' works fine. |
| 01:05.56 | Cardinal_ | But I know for a fact it clearly doesnt. |
| 01:05.57 | Daara | not for me it hasn't lol |
| 01:06.55 | Vailreth | works fine for me |
| 01:08.35 | Vailreth | and so does changing the owner of the unit in cargo |
| 01:08.57 | Cardinal_ | Could you do me one more favour? |
| 01:09.03 | Vailreth | sure |
| 01:09.06 | Cardinal_ | Create a new transport ability... based off Bunker or whatever, and then try? |
| 01:09.25 | Cardinal_ | I found it disheartening because even Blizzard campaign maps initialise by ordering units to enter bunkers... instead of... just creating the units in bunkers. |
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| 01:13.11 | Vailreth | ok its working still |
| 01:13.28 | Cardinal_ | okay... final nail in the coffin... |
| 01:13.40 | Cardinal_ | alter the ability so that only Neutral units can be in cargo |
| 01:14.21 | tordy | hello |
| 01:14.28 | Cardinal_ | under Target-FilterS: |
| 01:14.29 | Cardinal_ | hi tordy |
| 01:17.31 | tordy | can you target filter by unit speeds? |
| 01:17.37 | tordy | movement speed |
| 01:17.47 | Vailreth | likely |
| 01:18.00 | tordy | like a unit will only target enemy units w/ < 2 move speed |
| 01:18.02 | tordy | doable? |
| 01:19.38 | Vailreth | nope looks like thats not possible .. |
| 01:20.57 | Cardinal_ | to me or tordy? |
| 01:21.08 | Vailreth | tordy |
| 01:21.22 | Vailreth | and tordy you may be able to do that with tagret finds |
| 01:22.19 | Vailreth | but you would need validators to do that |
| 01:22.51 | Vailreth | Cardinal give me one sec |
| 01:25.01 | Vailreth | you would have to allow player units to enter if you exclude them it wont work |
| 01:25.26 | Cardinal_ | Hmm I thought so. |
| 01:25.43 | Cardinal_ | Guess I'll add player units to the target:filters |
| 01:25.54 | Cardinal_ | And add something else to distinguish Neutral units. |
| 01:26.25 | Vailreth | what are you trying to do? |
| 01:26.31 | Cardinal_ | Top secret ^_^ |
| 01:26.36 | Cardinal_ | I'll have a test map available soon. |
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| 01:26.53 | tordy | is there a validator for unit speed? |
| 01:27.04 | Cardinal_ | There is one for moving. So yes. |
| 01:27.10 | Vailreth | well i could help better if i new the net effect you were trying to acheive |
| 01:27.38 | Vailreth | unit compare speed |
| 01:27.40 | Cardinal_ | Unit compare speed |
| 01:27.44 | tordy | ok |
| 01:35.03 | Vailreth | seems like i was wrong damn |
| 01:35.41 | tordy | about what |
| 01:36.26 | Vailreth | i thought weapons used target finds they only use target sorts to making a target find for speen wont be helpfull as far as i can tell |
| 01:44.42 | Vailreth | created a marauder that can load marines ... so funny |
| 01:45.07 | Cardinal_ | lol :p |
| 01:45.12 | Cardinal_ | you just wait and see what I'm using it for |
| 01:46.02 | Vailreth | actually my plan is to create a bunker ship |
| 01:46.45 | Cardinal_ | hehe I made an Armoured Personelle Carrier (APC) ages ago :p |
| 01:46.52 | Cardinal_ | Was a tank with an attached bunker |
| 01:47.40 | Cardinal_ | took me about a week... can probably do it in 10 minutes now :) |
| 01:48.11 | Cardinal_ | i wish the learning curve on actors wasn't so steep... currently its a 400 meter sheer drop into a pool filled with razor blades, acid and sharks. |
| 01:54.34 | Daara | there's so much in the editor that anything you do is a drop in a bucket |
| 01:54.52 | Daara | blizzard has teams of people working on their shit |
| 01:54.59 | Vailreth | maybe they will include a pdf manual for the next iteration of the editor ... |
| 01:55.05 | Cardinal_ | hahaha! |
| 01:55.07 | Cardinal_ | no chance :p |
| 01:55.08 | Vailreth | not likely but .. |
| 01:55.10 | Daara | lol no chance |
| 01:55.21 | Cardinal_ | there effort so far is a couple of vague online references |
| 01:55.24 | Daara | they know how to do it |
| 01:55.29 | Daara | the community eventually figures it out |
| 01:55.31 | Cardinal_ | which explain what the community figured out 6 months ago |
| 01:56.05 | Daara | how can i change a map into a mod (dependancy) |
| 01:56.08 | Cardinal_ | I'd be happy with a more intuitive previewer module, and an easier way to import models, textures etc, alongside a doubling of the current map size limitaitons. |
| 02:02.51 | Daara | i guess i can't just strip a map of all of its contents and make it a .sc2mod :( |
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| 02:04.22 | UloseTheGame | hey jade |
| 02:04.34 | UloseTheGame | i was looking to edit the ui of my map to make it "sc1 style |
| 02:04.35 | UloseTheGame | " |
| 02:04.38 | UloseTheGame | and i found this |
| 02:04.55 | UloseTheGame | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.02 | UloseTheGame | what does it mean? |
| 02:05.29 | UloseTheGame | i just want to understand how this will impact the ui |
| 02:05.46 | Daara | would that be the hover text that you get? |
| 02:06.01 | Daara | when you mouse over armor to see amount of armor and movement speed? |
| 02:06.08 | UloseTheGame | ye, but its commented |
| 02:06.19 | UloseTheGame | it says "uncomment these values to show speeds as text again |
| 02:06.19 | Cardinal_ | Yes, so currently the raw number displays. |
| 02:06.32 | UloseTheGame | right |
| 02:06.33 | UloseTheGame | but? |
| 02:06.34 | Cardinal_ | If you uncomment it, instead of showing 1.95 for example, it will show Slow |
| 02:06.39 | UloseTheGame | oh |
| 02:06.41 | UloseTheGame | interesting |
| 02:07.06 | UloseTheGame | i wanna know, what was it like in sc1? |
| 02:07.13 | UloseTheGame | im trying to sc1ify the ui of my map |
| 02:08.26 | UloseTheGame | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.28 | UloseTheGame | check that |
| 02:08.40 | UloseTheGame | could xml files increase the max size of map cells potentially? |
| 02:08.50 | UloseTheGame | or would that crash online |
| 02:09.04 | Cardinal_ | what do you mean by map cells? |
| 02:09.15 | UloseTheGame | maximum bounds |
| 02:09.17 | Cardinal_ | 256x256 is the maximum, hardcoded, size that a map terrain can be. |
| 02:09.20 | UloseTheGame | of a map |
| 02:09.24 | UloseTheGame | ah alright |
| 02:09.28 | UloseTheGame | hardcoded eh? |
| 02:09.37 | Cardinal_ | Blizzard still use pretty terrible pathing algorithms, and therefore, I doubt we'll ever see anything larger than 256x256. |
| 02:09.58 | UloseTheGame | hey card |
| 02:10.05 | UloseTheGame | you seem to know a good amount about xml |
| 02:10.11 | Daara | 256x256 is so big to though! |
| 02:10.37 | UloseTheGame | where would i go to decrease the selection box to 12 units? |
| 02:10.44 | A1win | I scaled all my units and camera distance to 75%, made 256x256 feel even bigger :P |
| 02:11.24 | UloseTheGame | card? |
| 02:11.26 | UloseTheGame | do you know |
| 02:15.25 | Cardinal_ | @UloseTheGame - just because I know that map size is hard coded, doesn't mean I know all about UI editing :p |
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| 02:15.45 | Cardinal_ | My gut feeling is that maximum unit selection is controlled by advanced gameplay data. |
| 02:16.14 | Cardinal_ | Or, if not there. You will have to trigger some kind of solution so players can only ever have 12 units selected. |
| 02:17.04 | UloseTheGame | i saw it done in sc2bw that trigger |
| 02:17.06 | UloseTheGame | its too slow |
| 02:17.19 | UloseTheGame | and its kinda meh |
| 02:17.33 | A1win | selection is client side, it doesn't behave very nicely with triggers |
| 02:17.34 | UloseTheGame | anyway i've looked all over |
| 02:20.01 | UloseTheGame | i dunno |
| 02:20.05 | UloseTheGame | i found the selection |
| 02:20.10 | UloseTheGame | but it doesnt include total units |
| 02:20.13 | UloseTheGame | wierd right? |
| 02:21.21 | Vailreth | total units any any 1 control group is 255 and know no ways around that |
| 02:21.28 | Vailreth | in any one * |
| 02:21.45 | Cardinal_ | "selection data +" in the Game UI catalogue only controls how 'selection' looks in game. |
| 02:21.56 | Cardinal_ | You will have to trigger a system yourself. |
| 02:22.13 | Cardinal_ | Firing whenever a player attempts to select more than 12 units. Force it to select a random 12. |
| 02:22.18 | Cardinal_ | Much like how SC1 worked... |
| 02:22.20 | A1win | client side features can't properly be done with triggers |
| 02:23.01 | DivinityOne | Mmm |
| 02:23.06 | A1win | select - 250 ms delay - fire selection event - 250 ms delay - unselect |
| 02:25.17 | DivinityOne | Question about textureing map terrain, is their a snap to grid funtion for it so i can get some very clean lines? |
| 02:25.28 | Vailreth | yeah the amount of units in a control group and the resoruce que are things i wish they let us mod |
| 02:25.58 | Vailreth | i do not think there is a snap to grid. |
| 02:26.12 | DivinityOne | Oh that was another question i had, is there a limit to the amount of custom resource types you can have? |
| 02:26.53 | Vailreth | the editor can only handle the one extra resource but you can fake more with triggers if you dont mind some compremises |
| 02:27.24 | DivinityOne | I had a pretty neat idea for item use. Make them a custom resource, and the unit uses a skill, which conusmes the resource. So instead of useing rpg items from invetory. they jsut pop the skill if they have the item. |
| 02:27.35 | DivinityOne | meh |
| 02:27.39 | DivinityOne | that wont work then... |
| 02:27.52 | DivinityOne | sur ei can fake it some other way |
| 02:28.19 | Daara | i think you can only have 2 "custom " resources |
| 02:28.27 | Daara | terrazine and the custom one |
| 02:28.32 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 02:28.36 | DivinityOne | I'll jsut treat them like spider mines with no regen then... |
| 02:28.48 | Daara | you can always change minerals and vespene to do what you want too |
| 02:28.54 | DivinityOne | and every time somone buys a new one, it adds to unit count |
| 02:28.56 | Cardinal_ | why not make item use... like... item use? |
| 02:29.07 | Cardinal_ | Eg. Effect is used (effect from an item), then remove that item? |
| 02:29.14 | Vailreth | i made a unit that sacrifices zerglings to fire banelings like artilery |
| 02:29.24 | DivinityOne | yes but i mean, make it a skill that uses it. not rightclicking in invetory |
| 02:29.44 | Cardinal_ | then make the item give an ability, and add the command card button to the unit? |
| 02:29.52 | Cardinal_ | and then whenever that ability is used, remove the item? |
| 02:29.53 | DivinityOne | so like make R med kit, and it heals the user if they have one |
| 02:29.58 | DivinityOne | yes |
| 02:30.09 | DivinityOne | so i can make items targetable too |
| 02:30.17 | DivinityOne | like heal, but you can select target |
| 02:30.17 | Cardinal_ | hooray :D |
| 02:30.23 | DivinityOne | on success item is consumed |
| 02:30.49 | DivinityOne | instead of clunky invetory clicking |
| 02:31.02 | DivinityOne | invetory makes sence for equipment, but not consumables... |
| 02:31.24 | DivinityOne | i know NOTD uses that kind of system for reload |
| 02:31.34 | DivinityOne | but i want to expand it greatly |
| 02:31.49 | Daara | its not bad if you set a hotkey for inventory items |
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| 02:32.38 | DivinityOne | But that dosnt work well when you can use item on mutiple things or poeple, and it dose difrent things dependnt on target |
| 02:32.44 | DivinityOne | like heal self, or other. |
| 02:32.46 | DivinityOne | same item... |
| 02:32.55 | Daara | depends on what you set the ability as |
| 02:32.59 | DivinityOne | skill can use it iffrently, but only conumes 1 of same item |
| 02:33.02 | Daara | instant or target |
| 02:33.07 | Daara | i suppose |
| 02:33.29 | DivinityOne | I just think a skill is better, i can track skill colldown, upgrade with range... potency etc |
| 02:33.34 | DivinityOne | cant do that with a basic item |
| 02:33.35 | Daara | i like how i have to log into battle.net to edit my map now lol |
| 02:34.45 | DivinityOne | I think im going to make a pretty cool zombie map. One with real zombie phsics.. like civs get eaten... but their copse remains. if player dosnt use 'destory the brain' skill on corpses in certain amount of time it will reaise as a zombie |
| 02:34.46 | DivinityOne | etc |
| 02:35.12 | DivinityOne | Have a lot of really cool ideas |
| 02:35.56 | Daara | you'll need a death model for them then |
| 02:36.03 | DivinityOne | Nope |
| 02:36.04 | Daara | or somehow pause their death animation |
| 02:36.06 | DivinityOne | I'll cheat |
| 02:36.13 | DivinityOne | Just make them heros that cant die... |
| 02:36.18 | DivinityOne | they jsut never raise from incap |
| 02:36.25 | Daara | i guess that way works too |
| 02:36.31 | DivinityOne | and when timer runs out for the hidden buff, they morph into zombie |
| 02:36.50 | DivinityOne | If a skill 'destory the brain' is used... they are truly killed |
| 02:37.24 | DivinityOne | But i dont know if i should start small or big with the map... |
| 02:37.24 | tordy | what you guys talkin about |
| 02:37.36 | DivinityOne | like make a trial map, to see if anyone likes it. Then make a full huge rpg |
| 02:37.45 | DivinityOne | A map im working on |
| 02:38.54 | DivinityOne | I think i will keep it small player base.. 4 players maybe |
| 02:39.21 | DivinityOne | i dont want to scale it for a huge number of players. its not a omg horses of zombies attack, type map |
| 02:39.28 | DivinityOne | hords* |
| 02:42.37 | Cardinal_ | was there ever a validator discovered that checks if a unit is 'in water'? |
| 02:44.02 | DivinityOne | No clue... but thats a good validator to have if it dose exist |
| 02:44.38 | DivinityOne | Thinking of toxic pools... etc or deep water haveing breath meters.... mmmm possabilites |
| 02:49.34 | Daara | i don't think there is |
| 02:49.47 | DivinityOne | Is there one to check elvation? |
| 02:49.58 | Daara | might be |
| 02:50.11 | Daara | doubt it though |
| 02:50.16 | Daara | validators are quite limited |
| 02:50.25 | DivinityOne | Ahh well you can find units cords |
| 02:50.28 | DivinityOne | and keep the high data |
| 02:50.37 | DivinityOne | and compare to the water level which you know.. |
| 02:50.53 | DivinityOne | water would always have to be on the bottom of the map though |
| 02:51.57 | Daara | worst case scenario |
| 02:52.02 | Daara | you could use regions |
| 02:52.02 | Vailreth | location compare cliff level detects at which cliff level a unit is |
| 02:52.10 | tordy | how are you guys doing |
| 02:52.16 | DivinityOne | Hey |
| 02:52.26 | Vailreth | regis filbin |
| 02:52.46 | DivinityOne | I complety forgot about regions... can you paint regions? |
| 02:53.00 | DivinityOne | Just paint the water with a region... |
| 02:53.24 | Vailreth | you can create a complex region out of many if you need odd shapses |
| 02:53.55 | Daara | its a pain but you can make a region any shape |
| 02:54.00 | DivinityOne | Question about hero incap.... can i just copy the behavor? or is it uniue to each hero unit? |
| 02:54.12 | DivinityOne | unique* |
| 02:54.20 | Daara | hero incapacitate uses like 3 behaviors i think |
| 02:54.24 | Vailreth | its pretty universal |
| 02:54.25 | Daara | the valerian ones |
| 02:54.28 | Vailreth | but yeah .. |
| 02:54.43 | Daara | you can just copy it if you get it to use all the behaviors |
| 02:54.47 | DivinityOne | i know the 3 behavors. Just makieng sure their universal and not per unit basis |
| 02:55.04 | Daara | can put it on anything |
| 02:55.12 | DivinityOne | Great |
| 02:55.25 | DivinityOne | I dont want to copy civs... |
| 02:55.31 | DivinityOne | so if i just add the behavors... |
| 02:55.44 | Daara | from experience |
| 02:55.57 | Daara | i think you have to make the unit have one of them |
| 02:56.01 | Daara | all the time |
| 02:56.12 | Daara | so edit the unit data and add that behavior |
| 02:56.24 | Daara | then once it has that the other 2 just follow suite i think |
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| 02:56.53 | Cardinal_ | @Vailreth, everyone knows only noobs use Cliffs :p |
| 02:56.56 | DivinityOne | I'll just mirror a hero's set up. And make the changes where i have to |
| 02:57.52 | Cardinal_ | Have fun when you get to the actors :p |
| 02:58.05 | tordy | what are you guys doing |
| 02:58.23 | Vailreth | its ashame non hero units do not have the unpowered, unpowered start and unpowerd end animations |
| 02:59.05 | DivinityOne | mmmm |
| 02:59.05 | Cardinal_ | its a real shame that NiNToxicated m3 exporter fails hard on keeping IK solvers and rigs intact on export |
| 02:59.06 | Cardinal_ | :p |
| 02:59.18 | DivinityOne | heh |
| 02:59.40 | DivinityOne | <--make working zombi simulator... with infection... dead body turning... etc. |
| 03:00.10 | Daara | it also doesn't keep particles and walkable paths intact either :( |
| 03:00.35 | Vailreth | well hots should have art tools... |
| 03:00.49 | Vailreth | if you can wait the rest of the year for it |
| 03:00.58 | Cardinal_ | Heart of the Swarm! Coming, Soon™. |
| 03:01.13 | Daara | i dunno how that will work with imported models but it will be interesting to see |
| 03:01.14 | Cardinal_ | I'll be too busy earning a living in Diablo III to care. |
| 03:01.22 | Daara | lol |
| 03:01.30 | Daara | i wonder how viable that will be cardianl |
| 03:01.44 | Cardinal_ | More than the map marketplace, I can tell you this much so far. |
| 03:01.49 | Vailreth | cardinanon >..> |
| 03:02.28 | Cardinal_ | http://www.jessebrophy.com/gallery2/main.php I know this guy |
| 03:02.30 | Ahli | items won't really vanish from D3... The market could become saturated... |
| 03:02.32 | Cardinal_ | He did all the portraits for SC2 |
| 03:02.36 | DivinityOne | Map marketplace will be great... for poeple that make big hits... otherwise most custom maps will = avoided and forgotten |
| 03:02.39 | Cardinal_ | And is currently working on D3 |
| 03:03.44 | Daara | i can't wait for the marketplace |
| 03:03.44 | DivinityOne | D3 was allright... not sure how jazzed i am now after trying the beta |
| 03:04.08 | Vailreth | i wish i had gotten in on the beta |
| 03:04.10 | Daara | i'll have all these warcraft like models and abilities to make a profit off of :D |
| 03:04.24 | Daara | vailreth i've been in every blizzard beta since starcraft 1 |
| 03:04.28 | Daara | and i didn't get d3 beta |
| 03:04.30 | Daara | i'm so sad |
| 03:04.41 | DivinityOne | its more like a guildwars skill system ;p |
| 03:04.49 | DivinityOne | its a bit meh to me... |
| 03:05.31 | DivinityOne | They only let you do act 1 in beta. It has some cool things. But i dont know if i can stick with it as much as i did d2 |
| 03:05.32 | Cardinal_ | @Daara, I've played every Blizzard game since The Lost Vikings (excluding some WoW expansions) and havn't got a single beta. |
| 03:05.46 | Daara | that sucks |
| 03:05.54 | Daara | maybe you should be awesome like me :D |
| 03:06.11 | Cardinal_ | I know enough Blizzard employee's also. But they're all useless :D |
| 03:06.23 | Daara | applying for internship there |
| 03:06.37 | Cardinal_ | lol good luck.. |
| 03:06.41 | Daara | i know -_- |
| 03:06.43 | DivinityOne | On eo fmy hidden RPG heros. Mr fancy pance with his aura of awsome. Being in his prsnec makes foes tremble with glee... imobilizing them :p |
| 03:06.46 | Vailreth | whats funny is last year my acoount was hacked and a credit card was used to by a years subscription and ... i now have diablo 3... |
| 03:06.54 | Vailreth | well i will have when it comes out |
| 03:06.58 | Daara | haha |
| 03:09.02 | DivinityOne | my brother did that... like an idiot. He bought the wow year thing for d3... and im like "Your buying the collectors edition right?" hes like "Yea..." And im like "And you bought a year of wow for a regular version? "yea" "Do you even play wow anymore?" 'No?" "Your a dumb ass.... could have bout d3 regular for half that price." "i wasnt thinking..." |
| 03:09.03 | tordy | EAST WEST PHILLY WHERE YOU AT |
| 03:10.05 | Daara | so why is my map set on "faster" when i have it locked on "normal" speed -_- |
| 03:11.35 | DivinityOne | The serve rhamsters are running to fast? |
| 03:13.40 | DivinityOne | Question... |
| 03:14.13 | DivinityOne | The panic effect that ive seen on civs, dose it make them run randomly where they are, or can you direct them to a location? |
| 03:15.12 | Vailreth | i havent seen it ..\ |
| 03:15.31 | Cardinal_ | I guess if you've seen it, you can tell :p |
| 03:15.54 | DivinityOne | They start screaming and running randomly in the area... but i dont know if they can run in a general directio or not while udner its effect |
| 03:16.46 | Daara | wtf |
| 03:16.52 | Daara | why is everything going so fast -_- |
| 03:16.58 | Daara | game speed "normal" |
| 03:17.05 | Daara | apparently on b.net means "faster" |
| 03:24.45 | DivinityOne | Ugh i havnt ued the data editor in forever.. noob question |
| 03:24.58 | DivinityOne | how do i actualy attach a behavor to a unit? |
| 03:25.52 | Vailreth | unit behaviors behavhoir field |
| 03:27.01 | DivinityOne | Im on the unit, i see the behavors tree but i see no way to add anything to it |
| 03:27.15 | DivinityOne | I can edit the ones already attached though <--tototal noob |
| 03:27.33 | Daara | pretty stupid i have to change the game speed setting with a trigger |
| 03:27.52 | Daara | i don't feel like redoing all my attack/movement speeds |
| 03:27.58 | Daara | animations etc |
| 03:28.05 | Daara | and wait times ...lol |
| 03:28.09 | DivinityOne | Meh, sounds stupid lol |
| 03:28.20 | DivinityOne | Will that reflect in lobby? |
| 03:28.31 | DivinityOne | i mean faster in loby, but normal in game? |
| 03:28.52 | Daara | well |
| 03:28.59 | Daara | i had it visible at first |
| 03:29.03 | Daara | locked on normal |
| 03:29.09 | Daara | but it still showed it as faster |
| 03:29.19 | Daara | so i removed all other speeds and just had normal showing |
| 03:29.25 | Daara | it was still faster |
| 03:29.34 | Daara | then i hid them all |
| 03:29.37 | Daara | still faster |
| 03:29.39 | Daara | -_- |
| 03:30.25 | Daara | kinda stupid there's different speeds from the test and battle.net |
| 03:31.10 | DivinityOne | Whats your map btw? |
| 03:32.02 | Daara | its a risk game using warcraft models |
| 03:32.07 | DivinityOne | Ahh |
| 03:32.08 | Daara | and after 20 mins |
| 03:32.13 | Daara | you fight for the middle territory |
| 03:32.19 | Daara | so it becomes a king of the hill |
| 03:32.50 | Daara | i'll probably add custom settings in later |
| 03:33.09 | DivinityOne | ugh... |
| 03:33.26 | DivinityOne | Now need to make a new animation for civ |
| 03:33.35 | DivinityOne | an incaped animation |
| 03:33.40 | Daara | told ya :P |
| 03:33.56 | DivinityOne | *feels headache comeing on* |
| 03:34.07 | DivinityOne | theirs like a dozen models for civs though |
| 03:34.32 | DivinityOne | I never found which modle to edit to effect them all |
| 03:35.31 | DivinityOne | maybe i can fake it |
| 03:35.41 | DivinityOne | lets see if civs have any animation that looks incaped |
| 03:39.31 | Daara | its really not that hard to make an incapacitated anim though |
| 03:39.43 | Daara | the reason why the civ models are so weird looking |
| 03:39.50 | Daara | is because of how it randomizes the unit |
| 03:39.54 | Daara | say |
| 03:40.06 | Daara | Civ_00 |
| 03:40.10 | Daara | it actually does nothing |
| 03:40.19 | Daara | But Civ_01, 02, 03 etc. |
| 03:40.24 | Daara | are the models it uses |
| 03:40.28 | Daara | but Civ_00 is required |
| 03:40.55 | Daara | if you want varied looks you'll have to do each individual model |
| 03:40.56 | DivinityOne | Yea so do i need to make an animation for every one.. |
| 03:40.59 | DivinityOne | or jsut 00 |
| 03:41.03 | Daara | every single one |
| 03:41.07 | Daara | 00 is the same as one of the others |
| 03:41.14 | Daara | its just like a place holder |
| 03:41.19 | DivinityOne | *head + desk = smash* |
| 03:41.24 | Daara | its there but serves no other purpose than being there |
| 03:41.48 | Daara | its how i made male/female variants of mine |
| 03:41.55 | DivinityOne | Still need to opena civ modle and see what animations it has |
| 03:42.03 | Daara | i have 3 models to have 2 variations -_- |
| 03:42.18 | Daara | i think the death animations are seperate from it |
| 03:43.35 | DivinityOne | THERE |
| 03:43.38 | DivinityOne | stand woudned cover.. |
| 03:43.47 | DivinityOne | looks like their laying on ground trembling |
| 03:44.01 | Daara | male and female versions are different i think |
| 03:44.15 | DivinityOne | i'll just find which workds best for each |
| 03:44.25 | DivinityOne | and see if i cant force the animation when incaped |
| 03:44.25 | Daara | they have the wounded walk too |
| 03:44.34 | Daara | dragging the leg |
| 03:44.39 | Daara | like its broken |
| 03:44.43 | DivinityOne | Nice |
| 03:44.50 | DivinityOne | May use that for stage 1 zombies.. |
| 03:45.24 | DivinityOne | Have an aura around them to show their infected... |
| 03:48.04 | DivinityOne | Now... |
| 03:48.12 | DivinityOne | how do i apply animaltions >_> |
| 03:48.20 | DivinityOne | with the hero beavor.... |
| 03:48.21 | Daara | add a behavior |
| 03:48.32 | Daara | go to the actor for that unit |
| 03:48.38 | Daara | go to events+ |
| 03:48.41 | Daara | create new event |
| 03:48.58 | DivinityOne | also can i pause an animation or freez it? |
| 03:49.05 | Daara | Behavior.(name of behavior).On |
| 03:49.27 | Daara | then set the animation to wounded cover |
| 03:49.33 | Daara | i'm not sure yet |
| 03:49.35 | Daara | i haven't done that yet |
| 03:49.59 | DivinityOne | ahh |
| 03:50.00 | Daara | you can look at the civs events+ |
| 03:50.04 | DivinityOne | actualy the +event... |
| 03:50.06 | Daara | it should have some similar ones |
| 03:50.26 | DivinityOne | I better check the heros |
| 03:50.28 | DivinityOne | see what they use... |
| 03:50.32 | DivinityOne | and copy those sevents |
| 03:50.41 | DivinityOne | and switch animation |
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| 03:58.51 | DivinityOne | Cant find how to assign the animation |
| 03:58.56 | DivinityOne | which funtion is it? |
| 03:59.16 | Daara | Animation Bracket Start i think is the one you're looking for |
| 03:59.36 | Daara | and then pick Wounded and Cover |
| 04:00.42 | DivinityOne | i cant select an animation automaticly? |
| 04:00.50 | DivinityOne | i have to pick flags to match? lol |
| 04:00.56 | DivinityOne | it seems a bit.. strange |
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| 04:27.28 | Daara | would anyone like to give my map a spin before i go to bed? |
| 04:27.35 | Daara | vailreth |
| 04:27.39 | Daara | divinityone |
| 04:27.53 | DivinityOne | ? |
| 04:28.06 | Daara | would you like to see my map? |
| 04:28.10 | DivinityOne | sure i can give it a go, jsut 1 more question |
| 04:28.16 | DivinityOne | where is the unit scale/size set |
| 04:28.20 | DivinityOne | i forget ;p |
| 04:28.25 | Daara | models and actor |
| 04:28.30 | DivinityOne | k |
| 04:29.16 | DivinityOne | i'll hop on b.net |
| 04:29.26 | Daara | whats your name and #? |
| 04:30.02 | DivinityOne | DivinityOne |
| 04:30.20 | DivinityOne | and i forget how to find my number |
| 04:30.24 | DivinityOne | lawl |
| 04:30.39 | DivinityOne | 506 |
| 04:30.42 | Daara | k |
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| 06:18.53 | DivinityOne | Anyone around? Im haveing trouble applying a buff to a unit that procs an effect on attack. How do i make this? |
| 06:24.13 | RipperRoo | u mean like attacking a unit with a chance of bleeding or smth? |
| 06:24.21 | DivinityOne | yes |
| 06:24.31 | RipperRoo | let me see if i know a tutorial about that :S |
| 06:24.40 | DivinityOne | Thanks |
| 06:25.50 | RipperRoo | hmm browser hung up^^ u generally know how to make the buff thing but u dont know about how to proc it on attacking? |
| 06:26.02 | DivinityOne | yes |
| 06:26.17 | DivinityOne | how do i get my unit to have a chance to apply an effect with each attack |
| 06:26.22 | DivinityOne | thats all im trying to find |
| 06:27.02 | RipperRoo | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20669-video-critical-strike-tutorial/ maybe like that |
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| 06:30.14 | DivinityOne | Mmm i'll take a look but i think critical is a base modifer! Maybe it applys an effect to... |
| 06:30.20 | DivinityOne | thanks i'll take alook |
| 06:30.23 | RipperRoo | but i am not that familiar with the data editor so maybe theres a data way to do this :D |
| 06:35.54 | DivinityOne | That worked thanks! |
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| 07:07.32 | RipperRoo | no prob |
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| 07:45.00 | DivinityOne | Wow i cant get my head around something... |
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| 08:14.52 | DivinityOne | Can anyone tell me how to force a civ to moph into an infected through a behavor/effect? I cant seem to make one use the ability. |
| 08:20.17 | JademusSreg | Issue Order effect. |
| 08:20.54 | JademusSreg | Or make the morph enable the Automatic flag and use a requirement to check for a behavior. |
| 08:23.00 | DivinityOne | Mmm |
| 08:23.08 | DivinityOne | i tried the issue order... civ dose nothing |
| 08:27.41 | RipperRoo | u awaken ? :D |
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| 08:28.30 | DivinityOne | ? |
| 08:35.39 | halides | anyone done mapanalyzes for the blizzard maps? |
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| 09:41.04 | halides | http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mapanalyze_for_Blizzard_maps |
| 09:41.07 | halides | ^:-p |
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| 12:39.00 | RipperRoo | wb jade |
| 12:40.39 | A1win | any ideas why my siege tank in tank mode won't morph back to tank mode after I've ordered it to attack something and then stop x_X |
| 12:41.05 | A1win | I've modified some values but I can't think of anything that'd affect that |
| 12:42.20 | Cheekything | -+ |
| 12:47.27 | A1win | well now it works that I disabled the "Wait until stopped" flag, but I have no idea what causes it to not properly stop after attacking |
| 12:48.08 | A1win | also I can't figure out what actor it is using when it's morphing to tank mode from siege mode, it's different from its normal actors |
| 12:48.29 | A1win | I changed its portrait and status bar distance, and they get reset to the default siege tank ones when it morphs to tank mode |
| 12:48.46 | A1win | morphing the other way also had its own actor but it was named properly so I found it >_> |
| 12:52.03 | A1win | ah found it |
| 12:52.13 | A1win | Tank Mode Morph Model, everything else had "siege" in its name |
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| 13:13.15 | Cheekything | Afternoon |
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| 14:00.05 | A1win | yay now I have siege tanks in CraftCraft |
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| 14:18.22 | A1win | uh... seems like splash damage is giving me the life value of the wrong unit in response to a unit takes damage event |
| 14:23.22 | A1win | or maybe not... for some reason it resets the unit's life xO |
| 14:25.18 | A1win | err... the unit actually dies but somehow reappears without me noticing x_X the siege tank even stop shooting becuase of that |
| 14:25.54 | A1win | only happens with the splash damage |
| 14:35.05 | A1win | gaah any idea why a neutral unit would instantly respawn when it gets killed by siege tank's splash damage? >_> |
| 14:36.16 | RipperRoo | ok sorry but i have to say it |
| 14:36.19 | RipperRoo | I HATE THE EDITOR :S |
| 14:36.46 | A1win | hmm nevermind, must be my triggers |
| 14:41.16 | Mexa | So... it seems they shut down megaupload |
| 14:42.20 | RipperRoo | i thought it is shut down already |
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| 14:52.38 | A1win | <.< made an ugly workaround that waits one server frame before updating surrounding tiles when one tile dies... otherwise the updates get messed up if multiple tiles die at the same time, and respawn each other before they realize that the tiles should be dead |
| 14:53.58 | A1win | oh well it works |
| 14:58.08 | Mexa | Ripper, as of yesterday |
| 14:58.19 | RipperRoo | huh ? |
| 14:58.52 | Mexa | it was shut down yesterday |
| 14:58.55 | RipperRoo | yeah ive read some news about it.. didnt knew the founder was german :S |
| 15:18.06 | RipperRoo | is Torhal = helral ? :S |
| 15:18.28 | Torhal | Huh? |
| 15:21.54 | RipperRoo | ok i guess not |
| 15:28.52 | Mexa | Sc2mapsterkitten is helral though. |
| 15:36.35 | RipperRoo | yeah i know but i was wondering because Helral is also often in this channel as Helral + Helral|work ... |
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| 16:58.03 | JademusSreg | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/01/20/blizzard-respeccing-the-diablo-3-beta/ |
| 16:59.49 | RipperRoo | whats the news 0o |
| 17:00.05 | RipperRoo | the changes are already 1 day old pfff |
| 17:00.19 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:00.57 | RipperRoo | nothing new in there ! :P |
| 17:01.04 | JademusSreg | Relative to what>? |
| 17:01.24 | RipperRoo | relative to people to care d3 and probably know that^^ |
| 17:02.31 | JademusSreg | To provide context to new, you must first establish what is old. Did I know the Mytic-thing was cut? Nope. So it's news to me. |
| 17:03.28 | RipperRoo | why so serious ? 0o |
| 17:03.56 | JademusSreg | I'm always serious, and always jesting. |
| 17:04.58 | JademusSreg | I'm in a superposition of serious states. |
| 17:05.53 | RipperRoo | but still it was not new to me :S and cutting the mystic isnt even as important as cutting the cube and the other thing... and white items are not ... *insert english word for it here* anymore |
| 17:07.07 | RipperRoo | jade is this http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20323-ui-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/ still the actual way how to customize the UI ? :S ... havent read yet.. but it seems very complicated and more like file corrupting then like the official way to do it :S |
| 17:07.10 | JademusSreg | Haha. Didn't realize you were in my target demographic, which is People Who Were Not Aware Of The Changes, ages 10 - infinity. |
| 17:07.39 | JademusSreg | No, that is the official way to to do it. |
| 17:07.57 | RipperRoo | ok thanks |
| 17:08.05 | JademusSreg | It's called the Aiur Chef method because the Blizzard map Aiur Chef uses the exact samer approach. |
| 17:08.16 | JademusSreg | So that's about as official as it can get. =D |
| 17:08.45 | RipperRoo | the aiur chef has still the minimap down left and command card down right i thought ? :S |
| 17:09.05 | JademusSreg | Those are just Helral's examples. |
| 17:10.01 | RipperRoo | ok ill try to customize my UI with that tutorial :S thanks =) |
| 17:10.35 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
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| 17:16.36 | Vailreth | waiting for HotS is getting harder by the day |
| 17:18.24 | Vailreth | i just hope it wont be too hard to transfer mods over |
| 17:19.06 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-20%2019_14_50.jpg see that research lab icon at the top center with the two percentages... the bigger percentage text is the overall goal that the players are trying to reach, after which something big happens and they can finish the map (not quite sure what yet), and the smaller percentage text is for displaying when the next smaller thing is going to happen in the map's timeline (researching something ... |
| 17:19.06 | Torhal|work | They're switching the API to C++ and Spanish! |
| 17:19.12 | A1win | ... useful)... but I'm not sure if I should display the smaller text as a percentage from 0% to 100%, or display it as a "next goal" for the larger number |
| 17:20.03 | JademusSreg | Haha, Tor. |
| 17:21.35 | RipperRoo | pfff about him u can laugh.. when i say something u are just like "i dont think so" :( why u hate me? are u racist ? =( |
| 17:22.02 | JademusSreg | I am racist. I hate NASCAR. Races are so boring. |
| 17:22.43 | JademusSreg | A1, the smaller one is like the incremental advance of science and the larger one is, what, a eureka moment of systemic revolution? |
| 17:22.58 | A1win | pretty much |
| 17:23.41 | JademusSreg | Get the top one up to 100% and get the printing press, then radio, then the internet? |
| 17:24.09 | A1win | ;p |
| 17:25.14 | A1win | the top one is something like "we did it! now take this big thing we've been researching all this time and finish this off" |
| 17:26.13 | A1win | both the percentages depend on the same value, the orange one just has smaller goal value as the top one, so it's like a piece of the larger thing |
| 17:26.27 | A1win | their increment speed depends on the number of scientists you have |
| 17:26.47 | A1win | and you get more scientists by finding zerg biomass and clone some |
| 17:28.47 | A1win | so essentially, the faster you kill the zerg hatcheries in the map, the faster you win |
| 17:29.12 | A1win | but anyway for the UI, I can't figure out how to make it intuitive enough |
| 17:29.50 | A1win | maybe I should just remove the smaller one |
| 17:30.09 | A1win | show the number of scientists instead o: |
| 17:34.21 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2012-01-20%2019_33_53.jpg |
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| 18:19.54 | Vailreth | yo Daara |
| 18:23.54 | Daara | sup |
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| 18:26.23 | Daara | @vailreth: yes? |
| 18:43.11 | Vailreth | just saying a hello |
| 18:43.16 | Daara | ah |
| 18:43.25 | Vailreth | wondering how your project is coming |
| 18:43.39 | Daara | well i took a much needed break from it |
| 18:43.48 | Daara | now im back and running at full speed again |
| 18:43.54 | Vailreth | i see |
| 18:44.07 | Daara | probably doing hero revival and inventory today |
| 18:44.09 | Vailreth | yes i am taking this entire week off from my novel |
| 18:44.11 | Daara | shouldn't take long |
| 18:44.36 | Daara | i want it to be similar to wc3 revival |
| 18:44.49 | Daara | where you have to rez them at an altar |
| 18:45.06 | Vailreth | i would love a neutral structure that could revive heros |
| 18:45.24 | Daara | i think i'll have to go about it by setting a hero to a variable |
| 18:45.29 | Daara | to check whether its dead or not |
| 18:45.41 | Vailreth | the revive ability dosent work for your needs? |
| 18:45.42 | Daara | so the building can use or not use the revive ability |
| 18:45.51 | Daara | well i've never used it so i'm not sure how it'll work |
| 18:46.02 | Daara | i don't want the revive button usable while the hero is alive |
| 18:46.39 | Vailreth | i do not think it is |
| 18:47.10 | Daara | i haven't used it before so i guess i'll find out soon |
| 18:53.37 | Ashamed | erg people are so stupud and ignront in america |
| 18:53.40 | Ashamed | i am so fucking sick of it |
| 18:53.59 | Vailreth | yes |
| 18:54.08 | JademusSreg | "ignront" =D |
| 18:54.25 | JademusSreg | That's eynronic. |
| 18:54.37 | JademusSreg | I jest, of course. |
| 18:55.04 | JademusSreg | Shitty spelling doesn't necessarily make you ignorant. Haha |
| 18:58.58 | Daara | it isn't just America |
| 18:59.00 | Daara | but yes |
| 18:59.10 | Daara | there are tons of ignorant people here |
| 18:59.53 | Ashamed | jade i did not misss spell that i left out a letter :) |
| 19:00.08 | Daara | you still mispelled :P |
| 19:00.11 | Ashamed | oh i did misspell |
| 19:00.13 | Ashamed | i did o not a |
| 19:01.44 | Ashamed | daara i am trying to convince a poor as american that its not ok to give someone 2.75% of gross pay on a movie out of 300-500 thousand people.. |
| 19:01.51 | Ashamed | and this guy really is trying to justify why we do it |
| 19:02.29 | Ashamed | i just don't get why poor people defend the rich |
| 19:02.33 | Ashamed | i have never understood it |
| 19:02.34 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:02.36 | Daara | because they are stupid |
| 19:02.40 | Daara | rich only want to be richer |
| 19:02.48 | Daara | they don't care about poor people |
| 19:02.56 | Ashamed | yeah but poor people for some reason care about them |
| 19:02.59 | Ashamed | it makes no fucking sense |
| 19:03.11 | Daara | because they don't think they are getting shit on |
| 19:03.20 | Ashamed | yah its bad :( |
| 19:03.35 | Motive_ | Everyone only wants to be richer. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a bad thing. |
| 19:03.43 | Ashamed | i was like if tom cruise got paid 0,01 percent of his last movie he would of still made more then 500,000 thousand in one year |
| 19:03.58 | Daara | yes but a lot of rich people are born rich |
| 19:04.10 | Daara | so they don't know what its like to not have money to throw around |
| 19:04.24 | Ashamed | but motive i feel like the poor tries to protect their rights " just incase the become rich one day" and i am like why dont you protect your rights now and worry about the rights the rich get... if you ever get ruch |
| 19:04.26 | Ashamed | rich* |
| 19:04.28 | Daara | people who come up poor and become rich appreciate it a lot more |
| 19:04.49 | Daara | look at warren buffet |
| 19:04.58 | Daara | i live 5 miles away from his tiny ass house |
| 19:05.04 | Motive_ | I don't think that's the logic at all. I have a problem with the wealth disparity in the US, but I don't have any problem with Tom Cruise being paid as much as he is, and I'm not going to ever try and argue that there should be any kind of "pay cap". |
| 19:05.07 | Motive_ | The idea would be insane. |
| 19:05.31 | Ashamed | so you think its ok to give tom cruise 3% of the gross pay out of 500 thousand people? |
| 19:05.39 | Motive_ | Yes. |
| 19:05.49 | Ashamed | so everyone else gets 0.000000001% |
| 19:05.56 | Ashamed | not even that |
| 19:05.59 | Ashamed | make that smaller |
| 19:06.03 | Motive_ | What any firm wants to pay their employees is their business, and I'm not going to tell someone how to pay their own employees. |
| 19:06.08 | Ashamed | because there are other co actores that get the other 20% |
| 19:06.36 | Ashamed | so 0.00000000000001% of all teh staff on a movie gets 30% of all the money |
| 19:06.41 | Ashamed | how does that make any fucking sense motive? |
| 19:06.52 | Motive_ | It doesn't make sense, but that's not the probelm. The problem in America isn't that Tom Cruise is making millions. |
| 19:07.00 | Motive_ | The .1% are the problem, not the 1%. |
| 19:07.10 | Xaragoth | I wish people would get paid more based on how good they actually are at what they do |
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| 19:07.14 | Xaragoth | Not how good marketing is |
| 19:07.18 | Ashamed | Motive the media is apart of the .1% |
| 19:07.30 | Vailreth | the hell?! why is this not working |
| 19:07.32 | Motive_ | Tom Cruise isn't "the media", he's a man who does acting. "The media" is Rupert Murdoch, for instance. |
| 19:07.41 | Motive_ | Come up with a better villain. |
| 19:07.43 | Ashamed | Media as in entertainment |
| 19:07.46 | Xaragoth | Motive_: If you call that acting... is Morgan Freeman a god? |
| 19:07.48 | Motive_ | Media as in the RIAA. |
| 19:07.50 | Motive_ | MPAA |
| 19:08.01 | Ashamed | Motive i just noted tom cruise because we were talking about movie gross |
| 19:08.08 | Ashamed | and his movie was one of the newest ones created |
| 19:08.09 | Motive_ | I don't care what their skill is. If someone wants to pay them millions to act, that's their business, and I'm not going to try to tell them not to. |
| 19:08.22 | Ashamed | Well thats stupid |
| 19:08.41 | Motive_ | No, it's free market. I can pay the kid down the street $100 to help me move, or I can hire a mexican at home depot $3/hr. |
| 19:08.44 | Motive_ | It's my choice how much I want to pay. |
| 19:08.59 | Ashamed | but if you control the money.. and people need money |
| 19:09.05 | Motive_ | Tom Cruise doesn't control the money. |
| 19:09.06 | Ashamed | then the people that need money they dont get a choice |
| 19:09.22 | Ashamed | LOL you dont think the actors control the money in their fucking fields? |
| 19:09.25 | Motive_ | I'm sympathetic towards your argument, you're just going about it the completely wrong way. |
| 19:09.50 | Motive_ | The villains here are not being paid millions of dollars a year. |
| 19:09.55 | Ashamed | ok you go become a directory and tell every actor you will only pay them 500,000 thousand dollars a year ( which is still a great ass number ) but you go see how many of them wil lwork for you |
| 19:10.02 | Motive_ | None, and that's fine. |
| 19:10.03 | Ashamed | we have idolized these people and now they make it reuqired. |
| 19:10.11 | Motive_ | Tom Cruise still has to work, and show up on a set and create something. |
| 19:10.21 | Motive_ | The real .1% just sit on their ass and make enough in interest and capital gains to run the country. |
| 19:10.25 | Motive_ | That's the problem we have. |
| 19:10.43 | JademusSreg | Well, technically he'd have a contract that would have him get paid whether the movie releases or even starts filming. |
| 19:10.54 | Motive_ | Right, but he still has to create it and abide my a contract, etc. |
| 19:10.56 | JademusSreg | But that's besides the point. |
| 19:10.58 | Motive_ | He's paid to work, essentially. |
| 19:11.00 | Ashamed | motive i understand what you are saying wall street is just as bad |
| 19:11.01 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 19:11.06 | Ashamed | but there is no greater evil in this |
| 19:11.11 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:11.17 | Ashamed | they are both fucking our country |
| 19:11.22 | Motive_ | No, they aren't. |
| 19:11.27 | Ashamed | yes they are |
| 19:11.32 | Motive_ | Tom Cruise is paid because millions of people go to the movie theatre and support him. |
| 19:11.37 | Vailreth | why the hell is my ability not working correctly its acting as if set up completely differently |
| 19:11.39 | Motive_ | A hedge fund is paid regardless of what the hell people do. |
| 19:11.40 | JademusSreg | Ash, what would you like to see change? |
| 19:11.59 | Ashamed | Just more fair wages.. i believe these people have earned there way to the top |
| 19:12.08 | Ashamed | but there is a point when its redic |
| 19:12.17 | Ashamed | and we have reached that point |
| 19:12.18 | Motive_ | There's no way to enforce "fair wages" without giving your government WAY too much control over your finances than they already have. |
| 19:12.37 | Ashamed | when 0.0000000000000001% of a buisness gets 30-50% of the profit then we are doing something wrong |
| 19:12.50 | Vailreth | agreed |
| 19:12.51 | JademusSreg | Yes, as Motive points out, there is a problem with your, let's say, vector of enacting such change. |
| 19:13.02 | Motive_ | So, where does it stop? I'm paid 20% more than the average Linux Administrator, does that mean I get a pay decrease? |
| 19:13.03 | Ashamed | No jade its not going to happen |
| 19:13.06 | Motive_ | I don't make a lot. |
| 19:13.14 | Motive_ | Who says what's fair? |
| 19:13.21 | Motive_ | I already paid my taxes, why should I get a pay decrease? |
| 19:13.23 | Ashamed | i dont want change |
| 19:13.25 | Motive_ | Who says what "a lot" of money is? |
| 19:13.31 | Ashamed | i am just pointing out how stupid we have setup our country |
| 19:13.36 | Ashamed | but the damage has already been done |
| 19:13.37 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:13.57 | Ashamed | MOTIVE when someone makes 10,000 dollars an hour |
| 19:14.02 | Ashamed | and then someone else makes 7 dollars |
| 19:14.03 | JademusSreg | "I don't want anything to change, I just wanted to say it's stupid." ? |
| 19:14.04 | Motive_ | It spins both ways, and you need to realize that a proper solution has to be small yet affect change. |
| 19:14.04 | Ashamed | in the same field as you |
| 19:14.07 | Ashamed | THAT IS TOO MUCH |
| 19:14.28 | Ashamed | :) yeah read my first sentence |
| 19:14.29 | Motive_ | I don't know any Linux Admin making $10,000/hr, or anyone for that matter, who has a counterpart in the same field making that much less |
| 19:14.45 | Motive_ | I'm just using my position as an example. |
| 19:14.45 | Ashamed | motive i am not fucking tlaking about linux admins |
| 19:14.53 | Ashamed | most of our world is fair |
| 19:14.57 | Ashamed | only 1% of it isn't |
| 19:14.59 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 19:15.00 | Motive_ | .1% |
| 19:15.04 | Ashamed | .1% |
| 19:15.15 | Motive_ | Take a look at the top 20 earners in the entire US |
| 19:15.17 | Motive_ | There's your problem |
| 19:15.24 | Motive_ | That's less than .01% |
| 19:15.31 | Motive_ | You don't need widespread change to target that. |
| 19:15.36 | Motive_ | You need small, targetted change. |
| 19:15.50 | Motive_ | Government is the problem here, look at what they tried to do with SOPA. you want to give them the power to enforce wages? |
| 19:15.51 | Motive_ | Fuck. that. |
| 19:15.53 | Ashamed | but the thing issome of these ceo's may make more then some actors.. but thats exactly what the actors are trying to do |
| 19:16.05 | Motive_ | CEO's aren't even the problem. |
| 19:16.15 | Motive_ | CEO's are just paid outrageous sums by piss-poor boards of directors. |
| 19:16.23 | Motive_ | Who owns the CEOs? Who owns the banks? Who controls the media? |
| 19:16.25 | Ashamed | >< the reason sopa is out is because these bitches that make 20+ million a eyar get upset because some smart people have learned how to steal from them lol |
| 19:16.25 | Motive_ | Top 20 earners |
| 19:16.42 | Motive_ | There will always be idiots who make more than they deserve to make in their lifetime. |
| 19:16.51 | Motive_ | It's not our job to police that in a free market. |
| 19:16.52 | Ashamed | Which i am ok with |
| 19:16.58 | Ashamed | i have accepted that |
| 19:17.22 | Ashamed | but there is a point where we are giving people so much money that they can have full time job of spending money and still not run out |
| 19:17.29 | Ashamed | but we have people that die of starvation everyday |
| 19:17.34 | Ashamed | :( its just sad |
| 19:17.58 | Ashamed | and the funny thing is if you look at money managment the poor still does a better job |
| 19:18.09 | Motive_ | I disagree, personally. Lol |
| 19:18.34 | JademusSreg | Ash, your rhetoric is all over the place. What is the point you are attempting to argue? |
| 19:18.44 | Motive_ | The poor have a very (pardon the adjective) poor understanding of how finance changes at the highest levels. |
| 19:18.49 | Ashamed | um so thats why the most richest people are also the most id debt >< |
| 19:19.01 | Motive_ | The richest people have the most debt, because they have the most money. |
| 19:19.09 | Motive_ | Debt to income ratio ;) |
| 19:19.28 | Ashamed | but you dont need debt when you are ruch |
| 19:19.29 | Ashamed | rich* |
| 19:19.34 | Ashamed | and if you do then you are a fucking dumb ass |
| 19:19.39 | Motive_ | Maybe you do. |
| 19:19.40 | Ashamed | i dont have debt and i make 50k a year |
| 19:19.48 | Motive_ | It can be cheaper to finance things than it is to buy them and then sell them. |
| 19:19.55 | Ashamed | no that is not true |
| 19:19.58 | Motive_ | Yes it is. |
| 19:20.06 | Ashamed | no its not.. what the fuck are you talking about |
| 19:20.17 | Ashamed | its always cheaper to pay for a product with cash then it is to finance |
| 19:20.27 | Motive_ | If I wanted to drive a brand new Acura, it's cheaper for me to lease it and make monthly payments for the rest of my life than buy it. |
| 19:20.33 | Ashamed | i am pretty damn sure if i went to buy a 400,000 dollar house and i told the guy i had 350 in cash |
| 19:20.36 | Ashamed | he would give it to me |
| 19:20.47 | Ashamed | BUT if you already have enough to PAY for it |
| 19:20.48 | Ashamed | THEN IT IS NOT |
| 19:20.55 | Motive_ | What if it's losing value? |
| 19:20.58 | Motive_ | And you only want it temporarily? |
| 19:21.21 | Motive_ | Like I said, at the higher levels of finance, things get more complex, and that's lost on a lot of people. |
| 19:21.25 | Ashamed | well i mean if you dont want it for the entire life of the item.. i mean yes you can end up spending less then the toltal price |
| 19:21.31 | JademusSreg | Ash, you make so many assertions, requiring so many assumptions, salted with anecdote that it makes it impractical to engage in a reasonable discussion. Just because you feel passionately about something is no good cause to fail to provide a cogently reasoned argument. This isn't talk radio or a pundit table. |
| 19:21.32 | Ashamed | but you are still paying more for that time |
| 19:22.05 | Motive_ | Exactly, so if I'm a high roller and I want to always drive the latest Porsche, it'd be cheaper for me to go the finance route, creating a debt, than to pay it off. |
| 19:22.20 | Motive_ | Tah-dah: now you're several grand in debt, despite your income. |
| 19:22.33 | Motive_ | If anything, it's smarter money management. |
| 19:22.44 | Ashamed | well thats stupid -.- |
| 19:22.56 | Motive_ | No, it just saved him money, and he got what he wanted: to drive the latest Porsche, all the time. |
| 19:23.10 | Motive_ | He can afford to make payments on that debt, he's got money, so as far as he's concerned, he wins. |
| 19:23.44 | Ashamed | but you are just setting yourself up. but then they can just claim bankrupsy if anything happens |
| 19:23.44 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 19:23.48 | Ashamed | which is stupid too |
| 19:23.55 | Motive_ | Is it? |
| 19:24.13 | Motive_ | If I was unemployed and had to use a credit card to get by until I got a job, and then couldn't afford the payments, should I not be allowed to claim bankruptcy? |
| 19:24.14 | Ashamed | that its easier to claim when you are richer |
| 19:24.16 | Ashamed | yes that is stupid |
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| 19:24.24 | Motive_ | Who gets to say who can and who can't declare bankruptcy? |
| 19:24.28 | Motive_ | Who gets to say what is an isn't a lot? |
| 19:24.40 | Motive_ | Better to sacrifice money so that everyone can have that protection than to potentially deny it to someone who needs it. |
| 19:24.43 | Xaragoth | Me! |
| 19:24.46 | Ashamed | well when they deny people that make 30k a year and then they let people that make 5 million a year do it... |
| 19:24.48 | Ashamed | that is stupid |
| 19:24.53 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:24.58 | Xaragoth | What we need: Robots. |
| 19:25.00 | Motive_ | That's a debate for a courtroom, though. :p |
| 19:25.02 | Xaragoth | That do our work. Mostly. |
| 19:25.15 | JademusSreg | Speaking of the shortcomings of robots: http://kotaku.com/5877913/the-pentagon-wants-you-to-play-video-games-that-will-improve-their-weapons |
| 19:25.25 | Xaragoth | And pay everyone in the world enough to survive, but still allowing some to make more than others, just for the sake of motivating people to rank their ass up on the ladder :p |
| 19:25.27 | Vailreth | technology destroys more jobs that it makes |
| 19:25.35 | Ashamed | I just think its stupid that the people that get all the breaks .. are the people that already had their chance. |
| 19:25.59 | Motive_ | It's life. With power comes opportunity for abuse. Money is power. |
| 19:26.08 | Ashamed | WE created that |
| 19:26.11 | Xaragoth | Money is very bad pictures. |
| 19:26.12 | Ashamed | money doesn't have to be power |
| 19:26.13 | Motive_ | And we still need it. |
| 19:26.24 | Ashamed | and they have put it in our minds that it has to be |
| 19:26.26 | Ashamed | and that is their plan |
| 19:26.29 | Ashamed | they want you to believe that |
| 19:26.30 | Motive_ | Money is power, and everyone needs it. If you want to disempower the rich, you have to disempower yourself. |
| 19:26.31 | Xaragoth | Trust is what makes money into power. Break the trust, break the power ;) |
| 19:26.33 | JademusSreg | THEY. |
| 19:26.40 | JademusSreg | Whoever THEY are. |
| 19:26.47 | Ashamed | -.- we dont know who they are jade |
| 19:26.54 | Vailreth | maybe there should be more governmental oversight on earning and what you have to pay for things |
| 19:27.01 | Motive_ | God no, please no. |
| 19:27.06 | Xaragoth | Vailreth: and who checks the government? :p |
| 19:27.07 | Motive_ | Did we just forget SOPA yesterday? |
| 19:27.10 | Motive_ | That's another government disaster. |
| 19:27.22 | Ashamed | there has to be but its already been put in the poors mind that the rich is taking care of them and not shitting on them |
| 19:27.25 | Xaragoth | What we actually need is smart people that are uncorruptable |
| 19:27.28 | Motive_ | I don't want my government telling me that the avg. salary for my occupation is $10K less, so I'm being reduced to bring someone else $10K up to the average. |
| 19:27.30 | Xaragoth | I shall get to cloning. |
| 19:27.31 | Ashamed | And motive bring up sopa and act that was going to help the rich |
| 19:27.34 | Ashamed | how fucking funny of him |
| 19:27.42 | JademusSreg | Speaking of government oversight and regulation: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20120119.gif |
| 19:27.51 | Motive_ | The point is SOPA is government, and you're arguing for MORE government regulation. |
| 19:27.55 | Motive_ | The government can't make sense of shit. |
| 19:28.01 | Motive_ | You want them to have the power over your paycheck? |
| 19:28.03 | Motive_ | No fucking thank you. |
| 19:28.15 | Ashamed | they alreayd do motive |
| 19:28.20 | Vailreth | as a disabled american they PAY my check... |
| 19:28.23 | Motive_ | And they already have enough. |
| 19:28.35 | Ashamed | so why not give them power for the lower class... |
| 19:28.44 | Motive_ | Because with power comes abuse. |
| 19:28.46 | Xaragoth | It also doesn't help taking the US Government as an example, really. |
| 19:28.50 | Motive_ | Consider my example, again. |
| 19:28.58 | Motive_ | I don't want my government telling me that the avg. salary for my occupation is $10K less, so I'm being reduced to bring someone else $10K up to the average. |
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| 19:28.58 | Ashamed | but the us government is part of the ruch |
| 19:29.00 | Ashamed | rich * |
| 19:29.05 | Ashamed | so any law they passw ill just help them get richer |
| 19:29.09 | Motive_ | The US government is a bunch of elected officials. |
| 19:29.10 | Motive_ | Run for office. |
| 19:29.11 | Ashamed | they are not passing laws for the poor |
| 19:29.30 | Vailreth | i agree with sega we need to do a hard reset of the offending system |
| 19:29.37 | Ashamed | i would be 100% ok with the goverment to regulate pay if they actually regulated for the lower class |
| 19:29.40 | Ashamed | but they simply dont |
| 19:29.54 | Motive_ | Would you take a $10,000 pay cut? |
| 19:30.10 | Ashamed | um if the made it even for other people yes |
| 19:30.13 | Motive_ | I don't know what you do for a living, but let's say you're good at it, and your salary reflects that. |
| 19:30.22 | Motive_ | Should you be reduced by $10,000/yr income for "fairness?" |
| 19:30.27 | Motive_ | It's targetting a problem that doesn't exist. |
| 19:30.35 | Ashamed | but i wont have to have a pay cut |
| 19:30.37 | Motive_ | There does not need to be ANY pay regulation in this country, this is a free market. |
| 19:30.38 | Ashamed | becuase i am in the 99% |
| 19:30.44 | Ashamed | and they can cut the rich :) |
| 19:30.52 | Motive_ | Who decides who gets cut? |
| 19:30.56 | Vailreth | fuck the free market |
| 19:31.00 | Ashamed | well right now the ruch gets the cut |
| 19:31.03 | Ashamed | rich* |
| 19:31.05 | Ashamed | they already do |
| 19:31.08 | Motive_ | You said the US government is the rich. |
| 19:31.12 | Vailreth | free market means i can not afford my medications .. |
| 19:31.13 | Ashamed | they have breaks, they can invest and get less taxes taken out |
| 19:31.16 | Ashamed | its already happening motive |
| 19:31.18 | Motive_ | Why would you want to give the rich the power to cut your pay? |
| 19:31.20 | Ashamed | but its happening for the ruch |
| 19:31.23 | Vailreth | free market means i cant afford the healthy food... |
| 19:31.33 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:31.38 | Ashamed | MOTIVE THEY ARE ALREADY CUTTING OUR PAY |
| 19:31.43 | Motive_ | Vailreth: That's not the free market, that's the lack of comprehensive healthcare. |
| 19:32.12 | Motive_ | Ashamed: The rich are cutting our pay, so let's give the rich the power legally to cut pay? |
| 19:32.13 | Motive_ | Makes sense. |
| 19:32.14 | Ashamed | in the 90s the averge ceo made 5--15 percent more then their most paid employee |
| 19:32.19 | Vailreth | no its a company deciding they can charge 1,200 dollars for thirty pills every month |
| 19:32.19 | Ashamed | now its 300-500% |
| 19:32.21 | Ashamed | 10 years later |
| 19:32.26 | Motive_ | Okay |
| 19:32.56 | Motive_ | But let's say I'm rich, and I want to pay you $150,000/yr, 3x the average, to do the same job, for me. I expect the best and only the best, but I think you can do it. You say yes. |
| 19:33.01 | Motive_ | That's not a fair salary by your standards. |
| 19:33.02 | Ashamed | you say you dont want to regulate money but in all reality its already happening its just not helping the poor |
| 19:33.11 | Ashamed | so why not regulate it to help the poor since its already happening? |
| 19:33.17 | Motive_ | What makes you think it will help the poor if you give the government the power to do it? |
| 19:33.25 | Motive_ | If the government is already bought, why will they help you? |
| 19:33.32 | Ashamed | well we have given the goverment power to make money and they did a good fucking job at that |
| 19:33.36 | JademusSreg | It's like the talking heads on a talk program, with one informed person making reasonable arguments getting drowned out by exclamations of unverified assertions. |
| 19:33.39 | Ashamed | so i can imagine they can do the other way too |
| 19:33.48 | Motive_ | JademusSreg: :( |
| 19:34.13 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:34.18 | Motive_ | We gave the government the power to regulate interstate commerce and look how far they've taken it. |
| 19:34.19 | Ashamed | its a bad way to think.. well its already corrupt so i know they are going to continue to steal from me |
| 19:34.21 | Motive_ | Boom. |
| 19:34.23 | Ashamed | we have to try something motive |
| 19:34.27 | Motive_ | We have to try something intelligent. |
| 19:34.33 | Motive_ | Not just throw power at the problem-maker. |
| 19:34.41 | Ashamed | Well giving the rich more and mroe isn't intelligent |
| 19:34.51 | Ashamed | i am ok with a mass murder too ;) |
| 19:34.59 | Ashamed | we dont need to let our government do it |
| 19:34.59 | JademusSreg | rolls eyes. |
| 19:35.13 | Motive_ | I'd be first in line to defend the rich. ;) |
| 19:35.21 | Motive_ | Rule of law trumps all. |
| 19:35.23 | Ashamed | same with 90% of america |
| 19:35.24 | Vailreth | the government its self needs to be able to be regulated but now if you even look like you could be against it you can be branded a terrorist and held indeinantly with out trial |
| 19:35.29 | Ashamed | thus why we are poor |
| 19:35.45 | Motive_ | I'm not poor, you're not poor. |
| 19:35.48 | Motive_ | We're the middle class. |
| 19:35.57 | JademusSreg | Vail hereby proposes a supergovernment to regulate the government. |
| 19:35.59 | Vailreth | im poor |
| 19:36.09 | Vailreth | not a super govenmernt |
| 19:36.13 | Vailreth | people with guns |
| 19:36.17 | Vailreth | like me |
| 19:36.19 | JademusSreg | rolls eyes. |
| 19:36.22 | Motive_ | Vailreth proposes anarchy. |
| 19:36.46 | Motive_ | I'm sorry, but I'd rather have the rich take over this country than ever support something like that. |
| 19:36.50 | Ashamed | motive i am still poor |
| 19:36.52 | Vailreth | no i propose the ability to fire our so called reprientatives by force if need be |
| 19:36.53 | Motive_ | Rule of law is the most important thing we can have in this country. |
| 19:36.56 | Ashamed | i am at the bottom of my field right now |
| 19:37.01 | Ashamed | but that is because i have no schooling |
| 19:37.07 | Motive_ | Ashamed: Bottom of your field is $50K/yr. That's middle class income. |
| 19:37.15 | Motive_ | And means you can work upwards with more experience. |
| 19:37.16 | Ashamed | but its the bottom of my field lol |
| 19:37.24 | Motive_ | Just means you can move up with experience. ;) |
| 19:37.24 | Ashamed | i am a network engineer |
| 19:37.31 | Ashamed | which was the highest gross raise last year |
| 19:37.35 | Motive_ | I'm a Linux Admin, I'm at the bottom of my field too. |
| 19:37.37 | Ashamed | they made averge of 80-100 |
| 19:37.40 | Motive_ | I'm still being paid fair and I'm not poor. |
| 19:37.43 | Motive_ | Poor is $7/hr. |
| 19:38.03 | Motive_ | I won't disrespect people working two jobs by claiming my comfy salary is 'poor'. It's not comfortable at times, but I am far from poor. |
| 19:38.07 | Ashamed | and iw as talking about my wife work too |
| 19:38.08 | Motive_ | I can eat every day without worrying about it. |
| 19:38.08 | Vailreth | there are poor people who make much more than that im afraid |
| 19:38.16 | Ashamed | personally i make about 37 |
| 19:38.39 | Ashamed | but again its because i have no schooling |
| 19:38.53 | Motive_ | So support something sane like free/subsidized college education. |
| 19:38.59 | Motive_ | That would make sense, and be something I could support. |
| 19:39.02 | Ashamed | i do support that |
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| 19:39.08 | Vailreth | fuck college |
| 19:39.09 | Ashamed | education is this country is the worse |
| 19:39.12 | Ashamed | don't get me startedlol |
| 19:39.22 | Ashamed | i do not believe in the american education systemn |
| 19:39.24 | Ashamed | i have my GED |
| 19:39.34 | Ashamed | and i will be making between 50-70k in the next 3 years |
| 19:39.37 | Motive_ | Our school system's success depends highly on where you're located. |
| 19:39.47 | Motive_ | Ashamed: See above, not poor. :) |
| 19:39.47 | Vailreth | i have a one degree and nearly a second and all i can do is collect disability |
| 19:39.55 | Motive_ | You can live on that, have a family, and live the American dream. |
| 19:39.56 | Ashamed | well thats not yet motive |
| 19:40.02 | Motive_ | No, but all good things come to those who wait. |
| 19:40.05 | Ashamed | and I did that all myself |
| 19:40.10 | Ashamed | i didnt follow the regular system |
| 19:40.19 | Ashamed | i told someone that i was smart |
| 19:40.20 | Ashamed | i showed them |
| 19:40.32 | Ashamed | and now i am the only person at my current job without a degree |
| 19:40.36 | Ashamed | ;) and the youngest |
| 19:40.44 | Motive_ | Ashamed: I have no degree either. That's fine, and I understand I'm disadvantaged because of it. It's my decision. |
| 19:40.50 | Motive_ | I'll still make a comfortable living. |
| 19:40.56 | Motive_ | And I'm not poor. |
| 19:40.56 | Ashamed | i will too |
| 19:41.01 | Vailreth | i am all for education but the belief that College = getting a job is out dated and broken |
| 19:41.01 | Ashamed | i am not neccarrly worried about me |
| 19:41.17 | Ashamed | like i said my job was the highest raise in gross over all last year |
| 19:41.17 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:41.38 | Ashamed | its true vail |
| 19:41.53 | JademusSreg | I don't know where people get the sense they are entitled to anything. The elites have a wealth of resources the same way the human brain gets a wealth of energy and blood glucose; it's the price of organization. Those at the head of prosperity get the most. So much of a person is expendable, because they are the laborers, expendable relative to the whole of the organism. |
| 19:41.57 | Ashamed | i have noticed much in the IT field |
| 19:42.01 | Ashamed | you just need to meet the right people |
| 19:42.35 | Motive_ | ^ Very true |
| 19:42.43 | JademusSreg | It should come as no shock that the brains of the economic organism make more than the skin. |
| 19:42.53 | Motive_ | Hence, aspire to be the brains :) |
| 19:43.20 | Ashamed | jade i feel like sooo many people say that... but when people talk about making things a bit more fair |
| 19:43.26 | Ashamed | they are not saying make it even |
| 19:43.34 | Ashamed | they are saying make it more even.. everyone understands earning shit |
| 19:43.36 | Vailreth | personally i am, going to laugh my ass off when this country collapses |
| 19:43.38 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean. |
| 19:43.41 | Motive_ | What you proposed wasn't fair. |
| 19:43.45 | Motive_ | This country isn't going to collapse any time soon. |
| 19:43.47 | Ashamed | but their is ap oint where you are stealing from the people that are making you money |
| 19:43.50 | Vailreth | hah |
| 19:43.57 | JademusSreg | I remember when I felt entitled to things, but then I turned 10. |
| 19:44.10 | Vailreth | america may make it another century if its lukcy |
| 19:44.21 | Ashamed | yeah i agree with vail -.- |
| 19:44.35 | Ashamed | something you do not realize is our currancy is not going to be a world currancy for much longer |
| 19:44.37 | Daara | stupid revive button |
| 19:44.39 | Ashamed | once this happens we are fucked |
| 19:44.46 | Ashamed | and the middle class will become poor |
| 19:44.50 | Ashamed | and the rich will stay rich |
| 19:44.58 | Daara | it shows the wrong button and cost until the hero dies -_- |
| 19:45.08 | Vailreth | i dont feel entitled to anything but the poor treatment of the woking class for the sake of proffit is less fair that the proposed alternatives |
| 19:45.23 | Motive_ | Ashamed: If we lost our status as the global currency, we'd have to live like every other country on the planet. We wouldn't just collapse. |
| 19:45.34 | Ashamed | but we are not ready for that |
| 19:45.37 | Vailreth | also illegal imagration is a economy problem |
| 19:45.39 | Motive_ | There would be tremendous losses in the banking sectors, for sure, but we would recover. |
| 19:45.47 | Ashamed | are you ready to pay 8-15 dollars a gallon of gas? |
| 19:45.58 | Motive_ | Illegal immigration isn't an economic problem. It's a result of the fact that there are jobs Americans don't want to work. |
| 19:46.06 | Daara | i'll have an electric car if it comes to that |
| 19:46.16 | Vailreth | ther are no jobs americans do not want |
| 19:46.16 | Daara | fuck the oil companies |
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| 19:46.29 | Ashamed | daara how would you afford it though when they raise to 100k ? |
| 19:46.31 | Motive_ | Vailreth: Tell that to my grasscutter, and the 20 builders that show up at home depot every morning. |
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| 19:46.39 | Motive_ | I think they built my house, too. |
| 19:46.42 | Daara | they wouldn't |
| 19:46.46 | Motive_ | And it was dirt cheap, working in 100 degree weather. |
| 19:46.53 | Motive_ | Americans don't want those jobs. |
| 19:47.00 | Ashamed | if we lose our global currency yes it will |
| 19:47.01 | Vailreth | there are just employers who are not willing to pay what americans want for the job |
| 19:47.02 | JademusSreg | The nation, any nation, is of no ultimate consequence to me, so that kind of uninformed doom-prophecy does nothing for me. It just seems to me that people who want to be taken care of are like meowing cats; cats meow when they are kittens to get the attention of the mother, and only meow in adulthood as a consequence of being around humans who provide for them a form of extended adolescence. |
| 19:47.03 | Motive_ | We're lazy, we want degrees and office chairs. And that's fine. |
| 19:47.21 | Motive_ | But then we need someone to cut our grass and build our houses. |
| 19:47.22 | Ashamed | Motive thats a problem too though >< |
| 19:47.22 | DivinityOne | Hope we are talking about a diplo map in here >_> |
| 19:47.25 | Motive_ | That's where we import talent. |
| 19:47.26 | Ashamed | you are correct we dont want the jobs |
| 19:47.28 | Ashamed | but we should... |
| 19:47.35 | Motive_ | No, we don't have to. |
| 19:47.43 | Ashamed | all this stuff where we are privlaged |
| 19:47.47 | Ashamed | is going to end very soon |
| 19:47.47 | Vailreth | no you are incorrect |
| 19:47.52 | Ashamed | and people are not going to be prepared |
| 19:47.55 | Motive_ | We have to recognize that there are jobs we don't want, but that other people do, and let them have it and stop thinking of them as second-class citizens. |
| 19:48.01 | Motive_ | That's the fix. |
| 19:48.06 | Ashamed | America does not make money either |
| 19:48.06 | Vailreth | i know people personally who want the jobs going to illeigal immigrants |
| 19:48.10 | Ashamed | we just buy buy buy buy |
| 19:48.16 | Ashamed | and tis going to catch up to us |
| 19:48.21 | Ashamed | and people are not going to know what to do |
| 19:48.22 | Motive_ | Vailreth: Tell them to line up at Home depot. They'll get hired. |
| 19:48.50 | Vailreth | why would the magically get hired that way |
| 19:48.51 | Motive_ | An American willing to work for the same price, I'd hire them just for the English skills. |
| 19:49.18 | Motive_ | If there are 20 Mexican illegals at home depot getting hired to build houses every day without fail, why wouldn't they hire an American for the same price, who can speak English? |
| 19:49.30 | Vailreth | thats the thing its not that americans do not want the jobs they want innsurance and other things |
| 19:49.55 | Ashamed | yeah motive some companies are hiring people under the table for less the minimal wage |
| 19:49.57 | Ashamed | and that is wrong |
| 19:50.01 | Motive_ | Not that their position doesn't suck ass, but then that amounts to them not taking the job. |
| 19:50.14 | Motive_ | No reason to refuse a job offer if it nets you income and you can move up and keep applying. |
| 19:50.20 | DivinityOne | Map question.... i haveign an issue with makeing a civilain morph into infested through the data editor with effects.... help? |
| 19:50.20 | Ashamed | As americans we shouldn't have to ask for less then minimal wage |
| 19:50.51 | Ashamed | but in reality its because illigals come from a country where its ok to live with your family |
| 19:51.10 | Ashamed | and they are not as privlaged so they are like oh its ok to have my entire family with me so we can live in this house.. |
| 19:51.13 | JademusSreg | I've done it before. Issue Order effect. |
| 19:51.20 | Ashamed | not saying that is a bad way of thinking but we have been told not to think that way |
| 19:51.21 | DivinityOne | I tried that, they do nothing |
| 19:51.28 | JademusSreg | Then you're doing it wrong. |
| 19:51.39 | DivinityOne | Which is why im asking for help clearly ;p |
| 19:51.52 | Vailreth | hell illegals where i live get payed 10 to 12 an hour have better houses and cars then people who dothe same or equivlent work and are legal citizens |
| 19:51.54 | JademusSreg | Also, make sure the unit is correct. Easy to mix up civilians with colonists. |
| 19:52.07 | DivinityOne | its thr right unit. |
| 19:52.09 | Ashamed | Vail its because they all live together |
| 19:52.17 | Motive_ | Then an American should be able to underbid by to $7/hr and work for them easily? |
| 19:52.30 | Motive_ | Your arguments aren't making much sense here. :/ |
| 19:52.39 | Motive_ | Why would I hire a Mexican for $11 and not an American for $7? |
| 19:52.40 | JademusSreg | Make sure the order command is correct, references the correct index if the morph has an array of options, references the target and not the caster. |
| 19:52.49 | Ashamed | i dont really care about illegals stealing jobs |
| 19:52.50 | Vailreth | why should americans not be able to affourd to live just because of illigal imigrants |
| 19:52.53 | Ashamed | becuase they will never get my job |
| 19:53.04 | Ashamed | i do care about paying there taxes when they dont have to pay taxes themselves |
| 19:53.14 | DivinityOne | how do i find the index? |
| 19:53.26 | Motive_ | At the level of work they do, I'm not even that concerned about them paying taxes. |
| 19:53.47 | Ashamed | Thats stupid motive |
| 19:53.47 | Vailreth | illigal imigrants are a plague that effects every one |
| 19:54.01 | JademusSreg | The index of the order is in the morph ability. |
| 19:54.03 | Motive_ | I'm less than 100 miles from the border and we have more jobs than any other state in the entire US. |
| 19:54.09 | Motive_ | Argument invalid. |
| 19:54.28 | Vailreth | maybe for your location |
| 19:54.33 | Vailreth | not for where i live.. |
| 19:54.45 | DivinityOne | oh i know canel, then morph is there |
| 19:54.51 | Motive_ | (more than 100mi, I lied, but still not far) |
| 19:54.54 | DivinityOne | dose it start a 1 or 0... i dont recal seeing numbers |
| 19:55.23 | Motive_ | Texas has the largest job growth of any state in the entire country, and probably also the greatest illegal count. |
| 19:55.40 | Motive_ | The logic for them stealing jobs just doesn't work |
| 19:56.07 | JademusSreg | Hm. I figure the order correspond to the numbers. |
| 19:56.10 | Vailreth | just because the so called logic dosnet work dosent make a situation in an area untrue |
| 19:56.31 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:56.32 | Motive_ | Move to a larger population center? expand the area in which you're willing to commute, there are options |
| 19:56.35 | Vailreth | taking texas as a whole dosent work for an individual town |
| 19:56.43 | Motive_ | Small towns can die. |
| 19:56.53 | Motive_ | Logic doesn't. |
| 19:57.10 | Vailreth | logic is not and end all be all |
| 19:57.23 | Motive_ | Everything in the universe can be dictated by logic. |
| 19:57.41 | Vailreth | at the proper scale and in the right context |
| 19:58.08 | Vailreth | but the same logic thats applises to x dosent nescearly apply to y |
| 19:58.16 | Vailreth | they same proceses yes |
| 19:58.24 | JademusSreg | I don't think you know what logic is. |
| 19:58.25 | Motive_ | Texas has the greatest job growth in the entire US, and also is the closest to the border with Mexico. Therefore it stands to reason that illegal immigration is not actually hurting job growth, but perhaps actually helping it. Low-cost of houses due to cheap labor makes the middle class more affordable. |
| 19:58.37 | Motive_ | Boom. |
| 19:59.09 | Vailreth | but thats not how it is in all locations |
| 19:59.12 | Motive_ | I'm 20 and have no degree, and I can afford a fucking beautiful 2-story house that would cost $700,000+ in the north east. |
| 19:59.22 | Motive_ | No, it's not paradise everywhere. If you live in the middle of nowhere, you need to relocate to the jobs. |
| 19:59.42 | DivinityOne | Im looking at the ability morph for Civ's and it has 2 entrys 9cancel) and the second is infested civ, no numbers anywhere.. |
| 19:59.53 | DivinityOne | i still dont know how to fidn the ability command index |
| 19:59.59 | JademusSreg | Guess-n-test. |
| 20:00.24 | JademusSreg | Like I said above, perhaps it's in the order it which it appears. |
| 20:00.26 | DivinityOne | how do i know its not sume muti digit number |
| 20:00.37 | JademusSreg | Like any sensible array, it starts with 0. |
| 20:00.39 | Vailreth | for the people i know there are no jobs even fifteen minutes from houston becuase of illgeal immigrants and the componies that higher them over americans who want decent wages for their work |
| 20:00.45 | DivinityOne | i alreadyed tried 1 |
| 20:01.07 | DivinityOne | so the command itself is not set up at all right... ugh... or something else is stoping the unit.... |
| 20:01.45 | JademusSreg | Alright. Look at the Sheep unit's Herd ability; it uses an issue order effect to make sheep clump together. |
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| 20:02.06 | JademusSreg | That is a a good example of the issue order effect in use. |
| 20:02.39 | DivinityOne | K, i wish there was a reale xample of the civ morphing... |
| 20:02.48 | DivinityOne | i only seen it in custom maps.. i cant recall it at all in campaign |
| 20:02.51 | Vailreth | shit have to get some lunch before its time for dinner |
| 20:03.24 | JademusSreg | Div, I remember the Colony Infestation buff would trigger it for infestable buildings. |
| 20:04.03 | JademusSreg | And I also experimented with the colonists, so I know it works. Is the behavior in question being applied? |
| 20:05.45 | DivinityOne | Nope... its kina complex. the sting of events i set up for the morph. I made them have hero incap.... if they gain 'infected' from an attack. If they dont get ifnected they die, if they do they incap.. and after a certain amount of time they wake and morph. |
| 20:05.59 | DivinityOne | i have it all working except the morph after wakeing... |
| 20:06.19 | JademusSreg | Is the unit stunned or otherwise disabled at the time? |
| 20:06.34 | JademusSreg | Because a stunned unit is not going to be able to act on an order. |
| 20:06.36 | DivinityOne | incaped like a hero, everythignd dissabled for them |
| 20:06.46 | DivinityOne | well the morph order comes after that ends |
| 20:07.20 | DivinityOne | i will test and enable abilties... since its a hiddena bility anyway |
| 20:08.39 | DivinityOne | also where do i change the morph time? |
| 20:08.47 | DivinityOne | i cant find it anyway... its always 4seconds... |
| 20:09.03 | A1win | ;D best idea ever: was thinking of how the players would fine the zerg hatcheries in this map through all this rock... I'll spawn random untargetable larvae or other bugs around the map and make them move towards the hatcheries, so the players can follow those to find them |
| 20:09.42 | JademusSreg | Div, you change it from the morph info array stuff. |
| 20:09.44 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:13.11 | DivinityOne | *bangs head aginst wall* |
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| 20:21.03 | DivinityOne | I really hate to ask >_< |
| 20:21.45 | DivinityOne | But can anyone make me a a very basic test map with the civ morph set up? Im going in circels here and really cant find out where im makeing my mistake |
| 20:23.24 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 20:23.26 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 20:23.31 | JademusSreg | But just this once. |
| 20:23.38 | DivinityOne | heh |
| 20:23.39 | DivinityOne | thanks |
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| 20:28.25 | Eldrazor | hello guys |
| 20:28.31 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 20:28.56 | Vailreth | im firen mah lazurs |
| 20:29.24 | Ashamed | i love it when microsoft repairs actually work -.- |
| 20:35.10 | Eldrazor | k |
| 20:35.12 | Eldrazor | i have questions |
| 20:35.13 | Eldrazor | well |
| 20:35.15 | Eldrazor | question |
| 20:35.26 | Eldrazor | i want to make |
| 20:35.29 | Eldrazor | a chat system |
| 20:35.38 | Eldrazor | that kind of detects whether ppl are hearable or not |
| 20:36.02 | Eldrazor | but is there a way to check pathing? |
| 20:36.06 | Eldrazor | through triggers? |
| 20:36.47 | DivinityOne | Well i know you can detect to se eif theirs units within a radios of the triggerign unit |
| 20:36.56 | DivinityOne | see if* |
| 20:37.15 | Eldrazor | yea but that's not going to be enough |
| 20:37.18 | Eldrazor | i want walls to block sound |
| 20:37.23 | DivinityOne | so if units within say 30cells... idntify owner... relay chat to owner? |
| 20:37.32 | Eldrazor | and sound to go around walls |
| 20:37.34 | DivinityOne | Thats kind aimpossible... as i hear |
| 20:37.39 | Eldrazor | well |
| 20:37.46 | Eldrazor | i was kind of thinking of creating a unit |
| 20:37.49 | DivinityOne | i asked about unit LOS cant shoot around corners the player can see around etc.. |
| 20:37.54 | Eldrazor | and ordering it to use an effect on the target |
| 20:38.00 | DivinityOne | someone told me thats not really possible either |
| 20:38.21 | Eldrazor | but the problem with that is that i'm going to have to have a huge array |
| 20:38.25 | Eldrazor | for every possible target |
| 20:38.30 | Eldrazor | for every possible player |
| 20:38.38 | Eldrazor | which is still only going to be 12x12 |
| 20:38.39 | Eldrazor | but still |
| 20:38.43 | Eldrazor | that's 144 variables |
| 20:38.58 | DivinityOne | I dont know if you can detect regions... |
| 20:39.04 | DivinityOne | maybe make all walls a region |
| 20:39.15 | Eldrazor | hrm |
| 20:39.17 | Eldrazor | yea i tried that |
| 20:39.18 | Eldrazor | but |
| 20:39.23 | DivinityOne | it sounds like a lot of complex work for such a simole thing |
| 20:39.26 | Eldrazor | yea |
| 20:39.29 | Eldrazor | i was just thinking |
| 20:39.37 | Eldrazor | when units are ordered to do something |
| 20:39.41 | Eldrazor | the game already calculates pathing |
| 20:39.44 | Eldrazor | why can't i just use that |
| 20:39.46 | Eldrazor | in my trigger |
| 20:39.56 | Eldrazor | just be like |
| 20:40.01 | Eldrazor | action: <chat> |
| 20:40.11 | Eldrazor | condition: <unit can reach point X> |
| 20:40.17 | Eldrazor | event* |
| 20:40.26 | Eldrazor | action: <put text in chatbox. |
| 20:40.27 | Eldrazor | > |
| 20:41.01 | Eldrazor | hrm |
| 20:41.06 | Eldrazor | for now i'll just use 144 variables |
| 20:41.09 | Eldrazor | or well |
| 20:41.17 | Eldrazor | 132 variables |
| 20:41.26 | Eldrazor | although nvm |
| 20:41.33 | Eldrazor | i want ppl to be able to be deaf so they can't hear their own chat |
| 20:44.01 | DivinityOne | *smashes head into wall* Why.... wont... my... civs... morph... from... an... order.. effect! ugh! |
| 20:47.47 | Eldrazor | dude |
| 20:47.49 | Eldrazor | i have that |
| 20:47.51 | Eldrazor | in my map |
| 20:47.53 | Eldrazor | exactly that |
| 20:47.58 | Eldrazor | i can help you :D |
| 20:48.07 | Eldrazor | or well |
| 20:48.10 | Eldrazor | a civilian-like unit |
| 20:48.13 | Eldrazor | with the same actor |
| 20:48.18 | Eldrazor | and even the fancy animation |
| 20:48.43 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 20:49.07 | DivinityOne | im apply an order effect telling it to morph into infested... but it dose absoutly nothing |
| 20:49.10 | JademusSreg | Got it ready for download. |
| 20:49.20 | Eldrazor | hurm |
| 20:49.22 | DivinityOne | awsome |
| 20:49.23 | DivinityOne | where? |
| 20:49.26 | Eldrazor | have you tried |
| 20:49.30 | Eldrazor | wait |
| 20:49.36 | DivinityOne | Jade jsut made me a test map |
| 20:49.42 | Eldrazor | oh nvm then |
| 20:49.45 | Eldrazor | but the key is |
| 20:49.50 | Eldrazor | to add events to the actors |
| 20:50.17 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/InfestedColonistMorph.SC2Map |
| 20:50.32 | DivinityOne | awsome |
| 20:51.18 | Eldrazor | if you have any questions |
| 20:51.19 | Eldrazor | ask me |
| 20:51.45 | DivinityOne | sure let me check the map first see if it solves my issue |
| 20:52.13 | Eldrazor | and make sure your unit has the ability |
| 20:52.19 | DivinityOne | eeer |
| 20:52.19 | Eldrazor | i've forgotten that about 3 times |
| 20:52.28 | DivinityOne | Jade did you apply any spesial libs? |
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| 20:52.37 | DivinityOne | its not opening correctly lol |
| 20:52.44 | JademusSreg | Nope. It just uses campaign. |
| 20:52.45 | Eldrazor | you do need the campaign library |
| 20:52.47 | DivinityOne | no terain, or triggers. etc |
| 20:52.48 | JademusSreg | And it opens fine. |
| 20:52.52 | Eldrazor | but i figured you'd do that |
| 20:52.58 | JademusSreg | It has neither terrain nor triggers. |
| 20:53.02 | JademusSreg | Deliberately. |
| 20:53.08 | DivinityOne | ahh |
| 20:53.30 | Eldrazor | also |
| 20:53.32 | JademusSreg | Just Test Map and you'll see it in action. |
| 20:53.32 | Eldrazor | you can just order the unit |
| 20:53.33 | Eldrazor | directly |
| 20:53.39 | Eldrazor | to morph |
| 20:53.43 | Eldrazor | instead of applying an effect |
| 20:54.00 | Eldrazor | through triggers |
| 20:54.05 | Eldrazor | if you do it otherwise, you will need effects |
| 20:54.18 | DivinityOne | well my effect clearly dosnt work lol |
| 20:54.27 | DivinityOne | is why im trying to find out what i did wrong |
| 20:54.33 | Eldrazor | have you tried sending a message every time it triggered? |
| 20:54.38 | Eldrazor | through triggers |
| 20:54.55 | Eldrazor | like for every piece in the action train |
| 20:54.59 | Eldrazor | make it send a msg |
| 20:55.55 | DivinityOne | jade what behabor or effect did you name it? |
| 20:56.13 | JademusSreg | Infest Morph behavior and effect. Custom. |
| 20:56.23 | DivinityOne | thanks |
| 20:56.28 | JademusSreg | I always add shit from scratch, never duplicate. |
| 20:56.59 | DivinityOne | Same unless its a unit :p which i tend to smply mod |
| 20:57.00 | Daara | i only duplicate when they are so identical that it wouldn't be practical to start from scratch |
| 20:57.03 | DivinityOne | simply* |
| 20:57.46 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 20:57.56 | JademusSreg | Unless I'm making a messy prototype, I always add new objects, rather than overwrite standard data. |
| 20:58.03 | DivinityOne | well lets my apply the effect word for word to my test.. |
| 20:58.06 | DivinityOne | see if it work |
| 20:58.08 | DivinityOne | s |
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| 20:59.56 | DivinityOne | testing.. |
| 21:00.06 | DivinityOne | also i still coudnt find the ability timer set... |
| 21:00.12 | DivinityOne | <--idiot i guess |
| 21:01.00 | DivinityOne | That did it jade! they morph now, thanks. I clearly had a few thign set wrong |
| 21:01.34 | JademusSreg | no problem. |
| 21:01.42 | JademusSreg | These things happen. |
| 21:02.14 | DivinityOne | Can you point me to the ability time area? I cant find it... im rather new to the data editor so just bear with me lol |
| 21:03.21 | DivinityOne | As much as i like the cowering. i need the trasform to be instant. |
| 21:03.26 | JademusSreg | It's in the ability's Command field array. |
| 21:03.38 | JademusSreg | There you see Cancel and Morph To Infested Civilian. |
| 21:03.50 | JademusSreg | Clickityclack on the latter. |
| 21:04.03 | DivinityOne | done but i se enot options to change |
| 21:04.29 | DivinityOne | i see a lot of fields in the new window.. but nothing about time ;p |
| 21:04.38 | JademusSreg | Sorruy. |
| 21:04.51 | JademusSreg | Info, Infested Terran |
| 21:04.59 | Daara | how does the revive option determine a "hero" |
| 21:05.12 | Daara | is it veterancy? |
| 21:05.17 | JademusSreg | That stuff is in the Info array as I said earlier, Div. |
| 21:05.31 | Daara | cause i definitely didn't have the hero flag checked off |
| 21:05.47 | JademusSreg | Dunno, Daara, I've not messed much with heroes and none at all with revive. |
| 21:06.34 | Daara | it's gotta be veterancy |
| 21:06.43 | DivinityOne | I made civs not die from dmg ;p but i never bestted with revive |
| 21:07.05 | DivinityOne | veterancy is levels |
| 21:07.17 | DivinityOne | there is a hero tick box for unit flags... to make it a hero |
| 21:07.39 | DivinityOne | to add incap instead of death you need to add the death prevention behavor |
| 21:07.39 | Daara | yes but i didn't have that checked |
| 21:07.47 | Daara | and the revive option still came up when me "hero" died |
| 21:08.56 | Daara | maybe that's why i was getting that retarded button showing Revive Peasant or Footman lol |
| 21:09.49 | DivinityOne | Were they orginal a herpo unit? |
| 21:09.56 | DivinityOne | might need to remove the revive event from their actor |
| 21:10.10 | Daara | nah its good now |
| 21:10.14 | DivinityOne | kk |
| 21:10.18 | Daara | basically no unit was marked as a hero |
| 21:10.28 | Daara | so the revive option had no clue |
| 21:10.34 | Daara | until a unit with veterancy died |
| 21:10.38 | Daara | then the button would change |
| 21:11.12 | Daara | now that i have an actual hero flagged |
| 21:11.16 | Daara | the button is correct |
| 21:12.32 | DivinityOne | *bangs head aginst wall* |
| 21:13.01 | Daara | don't you love the editor? |
| 21:13.12 | DivinityOne | yea |
| 21:13.19 | DivinityOne | spesialy when i only know a few bits of it |
| 21:13.31 | Daara | it makes you feel really dumb |
| 21:13.32 | DivinityOne | trying something new is always a painful moment |
| 21:13.40 | Daara | but when you get something working |
| 21:13.44 | Daara | you feel like a god damn genius |
| 21:14.12 | DivinityOne | heh |
| 21:14.24 | DivinityOne | Mu zombie infectiosn finaly working |
| 21:14.26 | DivinityOne | my* |
| 21:14.36 | Daara | i had that in my original version sorta |
| 21:14.41 | DivinityOne | i have 1 issue left though... |
| 21:14.45 | Daara | the infection would stay on a unit for a bit |
| 21:14.48 | Daara | after the behavior wore off |
| 21:14.54 | Daara | they would die and become infected |
| 21:15.01 | Daara | infested* |
| 21:15.02 | DivinityOne | mines even cooler ;p |
| 21:15.05 | Daara | probably |
| 21:15.12 | Daara | i spent 30 seconds on mine :P |
| 21:15.35 | DivinityOne | basicly a civ can be infected.... if they arnt they die normaly.. but if they are infected the flal to the ground.... and trasform after a set time if player dosnt 'destory the brain' |
| 21:15.43 | DivinityOne | if they survie the incap they morph into zombies |
| 21:15.57 | DivinityOne | pfft |
| 21:16.07 | DivinityOne | i have one issue though... |
| 21:16.51 | DivinityOne | the death prevention only works if its enabled on the unit from the begining... however there is no way to dissable it! I mean make it firer only if they have the infected behavor? |
| 21:16.53 | DivinityOne | Thats kinda bleh |
| 21:17.05 | DivinityOne | i cant jsut apply the death prevention... |
| 21:17.14 | Daara | you could have it apply another behavior |
| 21:17.25 | DivinityOne | beacuse it has half a dozen dependecnyes id have to add as well |
| 21:17.35 | Daara | when the incap goes off |
| 21:17.39 | Daara | you can have it apply a 2nd behavior |
| 21:17.55 | Daara | and if it has the 2nd behavior |
| 21:17.59 | DivinityOne | The problem is.. to incap.. i need to add like 3 behavors... at once |
| 21:18.04 | Daara | not have the 1st one go |
| 21:18.21 | Daara | my revive is like that |
| 21:18.29 | Daara | it puts 2 behaviors on |
| 21:18.38 | Daara | and will only allow things to be revived 1 time |
| 21:18.53 | Daara | because the 2nd behavior has a validator that prevents reviving after 1 time |
| 21:19.00 | Eldrazor | you can also |
| 21:19.01 | Eldrazor | add a charge |
| 21:19.05 | Daara | that too |
| 21:19.06 | Eldrazor | to the death prevention behavior |
| 21:19.07 | Eldrazor | make it have 1 charge |
| 21:19.14 | Eldrazor | once used, it doesn't revive the unit anymore |
| 21:19.16 | DivinityOne | well i ahve 2 buffes... one is infected... other is carrier. infected turn, carriers spread the virus. only the living can be infected |
| 21:19.52 | DivinityOne | i just need to make a proper tree stucture of how to apply them... *sighs* |
| 21:19.59 | Eldrazor | mwa |
| 21:20.04 | Eldrazor | it's easy |
| 21:20.06 | Eldrazor | use a validator |
| 21:20.13 | Eldrazor | wait |
| 21:20.18 | Eldrazor | let me explain properly |
| 21:20.20 | DivinityOne | i also need to cancel the entier sequnce if 'destory the brain' is used on them while incaped |
| 21:20.29 | Eldrazor | let me explain |
| 21:20.30 | Daara | this is easy |
| 21:20.31 | Daara | go to |
| 21:20.32 | Eldrazor | i know how to do this |
| 21:20.34 | Daara | the death prevention |
| 21:20.36 | Daara | cost+ |
| 21:20.38 | Daara | 1 charge |
| 21:20.50 | DivinityOne | No thats not the issue lol. i know that |
| 21:20.54 | DivinityOne | My problem is diffrent |
| 21:20.59 | Eldrazor | have an effect |
| 21:21.07 | Daara | oh sry |
| 21:21.09 | DivinityOne | its how do i keep the prevention OFF if their not infected... but turn it on if they are |
| 21:21.19 | Eldrazor | give them the behavior...? |
| 21:21.27 | Eldrazor | like |
| 21:21.29 | Eldrazor | let me explain |
| 21:21.30 | Eldrazor | zombie |
| 21:21.31 | Eldrazor | has weapon |
| 21:21.32 | Eldrazor | that weapon |
| 21:21.36 | Eldrazor | has a set effect |
| 21:21.41 | Eldrazor | the set goes to 2 effects |
| 21:21.47 | Eldrazor | infection (apply behavior) |
| 21:21.49 | Eldrazor | and damage |
| 21:21.50 | DivinityOne | i tried that, but death prevention needs like 6 things applyed to actor from the begining... it dosnt work if i jsut toss them tha tbehavor... or so it seems |
| 21:21.55 | DivinityOne | because they need the actor data as well |
| 21:22.07 | Eldrazor | is there just going to be 1 type of civilians? |
| 21:22.12 | Eldrazor | cuz yea |
| 21:22.13 | Eldrazor | otherwise |
| 21:22.19 | Eldrazor | i think you can add events to actors |
| 21:22.20 | Eldrazor | but not sure |
| 21:22.37 | DivinityOne | im useing both the male and female civs... but they need the incap actor to run the incap event animations |
| 21:22.39 | Daara | ok |
| 21:22.43 | Daara | so you want civs that aren't infected |
| 21:22.44 | Eldrazor | wait what |
| 21:22.46 | DivinityOne | and if i jsut give them the bahvor... they dont have that actor |
| 21:22.49 | Daara | to not have death prevention |
| 21:22.53 | Daara | and ones that are |
| 21:22.55 | Daara | to have it |
| 21:22.58 | Eldrazor | why just add the events to the civilian actors? |
| 21:23.03 | Eldrazor | why not* just add |
| 21:23.28 | Daara | all you would need is a validator |
| 21:23.29 | DivinityOne | Okay let me exsplain lol. Death incap uses an 'actor' to power down... 9animations) and power up |
| 21:23.43 | DivinityOne | if i have them the behavor to incap... it dosnt mean they will animate it |
| 21:23.49 | DivinityOne | beacuse their missing the incap actor events |
| 21:24.00 | DivinityOne | they need to be on the unit by efualt... |
| 21:24.02 | Eldrazor | yea |
| 21:24.06 | Eldrazor | that shouldn't be a problem, right? |
| 21:24.07 | DivinityOne | or so it seems from my yest |
| 21:24.17 | DivinityOne | test* |
| 21:24.31 | DivinityOne | when i give the,m the death rpeventin behavor.. they dont animate |
| 21:24.35 | Eldrazor | well |
| 21:24.36 | DivinityOne | when they have it by default. they do |
| 21:24.39 | Eldrazor | you need to create the actors |
| 21:24.46 | Eldrazor | the animation actors |
| 21:25.01 | Daara | even blizzards "heros" have death prevention by default |
| 21:25.06 | Daara | what you can do |
| 21:25.06 | DivinityOne | i did. but i mean the acttor is linked to the behavor on adding it in editor. adding it in game dose not add the actor as well... |
| 21:25.17 | Eldrazor | if you want them to use separated actors for the animations |
| 21:25.31 | Daara | is make a validator that disables death prevention unless they are infected |
| 21:25.44 | Daara | or vis versa |
| 21:25.49 | DivinityOne | thats it |
| 21:25.54 | DivinityOne | how do i make the validator :p |
| 21:25.55 | Eldrazor | . . . |
| 21:26.02 | Eldrazor | duude |
| 21:26.03 | Eldrazor | you can just |
| 21:26.05 | Eldrazor | add the behavior |
| 21:26.07 | Eldrazor | on infection |
| 21:26.10 | Eldrazor | the death prevention behavior |
| 21:26.19 | Eldrazor | saves some memory |
| 21:26.26 | Daara | probably |
| 21:26.32 | DivinityOne | *sighs* but i dont want them to LIVE if their not infected |
| 21:26.45 | Eldrazor | . . . |
| 21:26.46 | Eldrazor | but |
| 21:26.52 | Eldrazor | if you add death prevention behavior on infection |
| 21:26.59 | Eldrazor | they really die |
| 21:27.03 | Eldrazor | if they're not infected... |
| 21:27.08 | DivinityOne | simply applying death prevention DOSE not apply the actor to the unit, that animates incap... unless its preploaded in the editor |
| 21:27.22 | Eldrazor | gief the friggin actors the animation events |
| 21:27.29 | Eldrazor | it solves everything |
| 21:27.51 | Daara | you can try either |
| 21:28.03 | Daara | both should work |
| 21:28.10 | Eldrazor | or you can give them the behavior |
| 21:28.12 | Eldrazor | and add a charge |
| 21:28.15 | Eldrazor | on infection |
| 21:28.16 | Eldrazor | like |
| 21:28.24 | Eldrazor | although i don't know... |
| 21:28.31 | Eldrazor | i think behaviors get removed when at 0 charges |
| 21:28.43 | DivinityOne | can jsut tell it to remove itself |
| 21:28.44 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 21:29.02 | DivinityOne | my problem is the animations... there is a heroincap actor linked to the behavors... |
| 21:29.18 | DivinityOne | i need to port that data to the basce civ actors and see if it works |
| 21:29.30 | DivinityOne | hopefuly it still works woithout the incap actor refrence |
| 21:29.35 | Eldrazor | i don't think it'll work exactly |
| 21:29.42 | Eldrazor | you have to look closely at the events |
| 21:29.46 | Eldrazor | and actions |
| 21:29.47 | Eldrazor | and what they point to |
| 21:29.55 | DivinityOne | i saw their simple |
| 21:30.01 | DivinityOne | its only a 5-6 line event actor |
| 21:30.10 | DivinityOne | just checks for behavor stats |
| 21:30.21 | DivinityOne | and sets a few things like animation (which i already cahnged) |
| 21:30.49 | DivinityOne | its simple. i just need to hope thry work on civ base actor without breaking anything. |
| 21:31.06 | DivinityOne | afk a few mins |
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| 21:37.22 | UloseTheGame | hey guys :) |
| 21:37.52 | Eldrazor | heya |
| 21:45.57 | DivinityOne | back |
| 21:46.36 | Eldrazor | welcome back |
| 21:46.37 | Eldrazor | is it working? |
| 21:47.05 | DivinityOne | Nope was afk, giveing it a try now. let you know |
| 21:50.48 | DivinityOne | wait wait... hmm |
| 21:51.41 | DivinityOne | looking at the actor... if the actor has the heavor... it should create the incap actor automaticly... at least the way im reading it. So why it wasnt working before i dont know. I'm going to try re applying death prevention without it on by default and see what happens |
| 21:52.40 | Vailreth | DivinityOne what are tyring to do and what isnt working? |
| 21:53.31 | DivinityOne | Its a bit complicated to exsplain atm, let me try this one step. if it dosnt work i'll exsplain |
| 21:53.38 | Vailreth | ok |
| 21:57.59 | DivinityOne | ugh |
| 21:58.06 | DivinityOne | hope i ddint break something i did have working! |
| 21:58.08 | DivinityOne | 1 last test |
| 21:58.36 | DivinityOne | okay i did... ugh |
| 22:00.01 | DivinityOne | Basicly its this. I have a unit that procs an infection on attack... infected civs incap (if infected) die if not... i'm trying to figure out how to make civs do that properly... so far the only way i can make them incap properly is if i give them the death prevention from the begining.. |
| 22:01.16 | Eldrazor | hurm |
| 22:01.24 | Eldrazor | look at the actors closely |
| 22:02.01 | DivinityOne | i broke my proc now |
| 22:02.04 | Eldrazor | ima probably use that incapacitation animation goody |
| 22:02.05 | DivinityOne | lol |
| 22:02.07 | Eldrazor | in the future |
| 22:02.15 | Eldrazor | because my units have to be able to be incapacitated too |
| 22:02.27 | Eldrazor | for now i was just lazy and put a "Incapacitated" floating text above their head xD |
| 22:03.31 | DivinityOne | i dont know what i changed |
| 22:03.41 | DivinityOne | but ym proc hits the attacking units... not their target... |
| 22:04.01 | Eldrazor | look at the target |
| 22:04.03 | Eldrazor | of your proc effect |
| 22:04.06 | Eldrazor | make sure it says target |
| 22:04.07 | Eldrazor | and not source |
| 22:04.16 | DivinityOne | it dose.. |
| 22:04.46 | Eldrazor | how are you proccing the infection? |
| 22:05.01 | DivinityOne | with a combat response on attack behavor |
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| 22:05.14 | DivinityOne | combat dmg reponse* |
| 22:05.15 | Eldrazor | i suggest you do it through an effect |
| 22:05.20 | Eldrazor | on the weapon |
| 22:05.24 | DivinityOne | cant |
| 22:05.28 | Eldrazor | why not? |
| 22:05.36 | DivinityOne | im going to have alot of infected units... i cant mod every wepon |
| 22:05.52 | DivinityOne | it worked fine yesterday |
| 22:05.55 | DivinityOne | i dont know wha ti changed |
| 22:06.06 | Eldrazor | well i do neither |
| 22:06.08 | DivinityOne | basicly its a %chance on every attack they make.. to apply an effect to their target |
| 22:06.10 | DivinityOne | thats all |
| 22:06.16 | Eldrazor | but i know that it should work with a Set effect |
| 22:06.19 | Eldrazor | on the weapon |
| 22:06.25 | Eldrazor | that way you have more control over it as well |
| 22:06.32 | Eldrazor | i.e. if you want a temporary immunization |
| 22:06.36 | Eldrazor | you can do that easily |
| 22:06.37 | Eldrazor | by adding a validator |
| 22:06.53 | DivinityOne | behavor is only 1 thing i need to to edit... |
| 22:07.00 | DivinityOne | if i did it for every wepon that would be dozens |
| 22:07.42 | DivinityOne | okay.. now that worked |
| 22:07.47 | Vailreth | ok you are going to have to recreate the incap system |
| 22:07.51 | DivinityOne | i did make an error |
| 22:07.54 | Vailreth | ah |
| 22:07.59 | Vailreth | so its working then>? |
| 22:08.09 | DivinityOne | the incap system will work fine... i jsut need to apply a 2ed behavor now.. |
| 22:08.24 | DivinityOne | well i am on the right path. |
| 22:08.31 | DivinityOne | This is all prototypeing anyway, messy etc. |
| 22:08.38 | DivinityOne | when i make it for real i'll do it froms crach |
| 22:08.45 | DivinityOne | i just want to make sure i can make it work |
| 22:10.13 | Vailreth | so you plan to have the death prevention behavior disabled unless they hare the infection buff? |
| 22:11.03 | DivinityOne | yes |
| 22:11.10 | DivinityOne | thats what im tryign toa complsh |
| 22:11.26 | Vailreth | ah ok then you could just use a validator |
| 22:11.48 | DivinityOne | i cant seem to make it a validator that way... :p |
| 22:11.53 | DivinityOne | tell me the steps |
| 22:11.58 | DivinityOne | im quite new to data editor |
| 22:12.08 | DivinityOne | But everything i learn is a step forward |
| 22:12.19 | Vailreth | ok well firs tiy would be using a count behavior validator |
| 22:12.53 | Vailreth | a unit compare behavior count .. |
| 22:13.46 | DivinityOne | Step by step.. where do i go >_> what dose i click |
| 22:14.11 | Vailreth | you have th validator tab open? |
| 22:14.43 | DivinityOne | Dosnt appear to by on my data editor... |
| 22:14.54 | DivinityOne | okay |
| 22:14.56 | DivinityOne | its open |
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| 22:15.25 | DivinityOne | and sorry... need a quick afk. brb! go ahead and exsplin! |
| 22:15.31 | Vailreth | ok |
| 22:15.35 | Helral | meows |
| 22:17.40 | Vailreth | ok you need to rightclick to create a new validator object and name it infection count GT0, then suggest that id and set the validator type to Unit Compare Behavior Count and Ok these settings. |
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| 22:19.21 | DivinityOne | back |
| 22:20.07 | Eldrazor | i will continue the explanation |
| 22:20.19 | Vailreth | next you change the Behavior field to you infection behavior. Compare becomes Greater than and value would be 0 |
| 22:20.21 | Vailreth | ok |
| 22:20.22 | Eldrazor | or not |
| 22:20.29 | Eldrazor | thought you had stopped :P |
| 22:20.46 | Vailreth | sorry i had to streatch some been sitting to long and leg is asleep |
| 22:21.16 | Helral | looks around and meows |
| 22:21.29 | DivinityOne | okay all done |
| 22:21.36 | DivinityOne | validator vaule is the compare number? |
| 22:22.04 | Vailreth | yes it will compare against it |
| 22:22.26 | DivinityOne | now i add that as a req in the death behavor? |
| 22:22.38 | Vailreth | then you need to put that validator on the death prevent in the diable validators field |
| 22:23.20 | DivinityOne | kk |
| 22:23.22 | Vailreth | then as long as the validator is untrue the behavior should be disabled |
| 22:23.33 | DivinityOne | i'll give it a go |
| 22:23.41 | Vailreth | Sometimes though they seem to work backwards so it may have to be teaked |
| 22:23.52 | Vailreth | tweaked* |
| 22:24.12 | DivinityOne | it worked |
| 22:24.22 | DivinityOne | i think.. |
| 22:24.28 | DivinityOne | let me lwoer proc chance to the civs die lol |
| 22:25.22 | DivinityOne | perfect! |
| 22:25.25 | DivinityOne | it worked |
| 22:25.33 | DivinityOne | thanks thats exactly what i ndded |
| 22:25.36 | DivinityOne | needed |
| 22:25.43 | Vailreth | no problem. |
| 22:25.59 | DivinityOne | Now to make the trees tucture... the infection tiers... etc etc... |
| 22:26.04 | DivinityOne | but thats all easy |
| 22:26.26 | DivinityOne | I need to also turn them from ally to enemy... etc |
| 22:26.33 | DivinityOne | but thats jsut another effect |
| 22:26.40 | Vailreth | yes |
| 22:27.00 | Vailreth | modify unit withe change owner ... |
| 22:27.03 | DivinityOne | Now to make 30 civs.. and se ehow many trasform! |
| 22:27.57 | DivinityOne | Also adding a lot more civ support... like life bellow 30% they enter wounded animation set... |
| 22:28.05 | DivinityOne | zombie is near they entered scared |
| 22:28.06 | DivinityOne | etc |
| 22:28.11 | DivinityOne | thats easy though |
| 22:28.15 | Vailreth | that reminds me i still havent finished my cocoon female civilian ability that morph them into a cocoon and then the cocoon ruptures and spawns a larva |
| 22:28.46 | DivinityOne | hehe |
| 22:28.52 | DivinityOne | isnt that just a muti stage morph? |
| 22:29.13 | DivinityOne | Sound spretty cool though |
| 22:29.22 | Vailreth | single morph and then kill cocoon and spawn a larva |
| 22:31.26 | Vailreth | i had an ability that infected female civilains with a buff that killed them and spawned a larva .. |
| 22:32.16 | DivinityOne | duke nukem map? lol |
| 22:32.21 | Vailreth | na |
| 22:33.03 | Vailreth | i would use civ females to gestate extra larva if ihad control of the zerg |
| 22:33.43 | Vailreth | the issue is that larva are the size of humans |
| 22:33.51 | DivinityOne | and use the males as food to gain temperary exstra unti control 9food) lol? |
| 22:34.27 | Vailreth | dont know |
| 22:35.02 | DivinityOne | know anythign about the changeling? |
| 22:35.05 | Vailreth | probably use infested makes as a drone defense force untill the hive cluster was suffecintly developed |
| 22:35.14 | Vailreth | males* |
| 22:35.17 | DivinityOne | can it become any unit if edited? or is its animations limited to onl a few units? |
| 22:36.05 | Vailreth | well it could theoretically become anu unit but it would take some serious actor trickery |
| 22:36.06 | DivinityOne | I wonder if you can make an incap animated object of females.. and make them a gather resource the male infected can bring back ;p |
| 22:36.44 | DivinityOne | like crystals lol.. only a incaped female object. should beable to do that i think |
| 22:37.00 | DivinityOne | make an object with an female frozen in an animation |
| 22:37.43 | DivinityOne | If you uaw rhw idea let me know lol |
| 22:38.00 | Vailreth | ? |
| 22:38.36 | DivinityOne | the ability to incap female civs... have them become gatherable objects. and literly carried back to base like a resource |
| 22:38.49 | Vailreth | ah |
| 22:40.17 | DivinityOne | I have far far to many behavors to make though |
| 22:40.43 | DivinityOne | i have phyclogical ones... moods... hunger... wounded.. etc, etc, scared, shaken, mad, insane. |
| 22:41.12 | DivinityOne | I need to sit down and write a tree stucture for them all by hand before i dare try and build them in game |
| 22:41.37 | DivinityOne | Oh oh! question |
| 22:42.05 | DivinityOne | Can i use a validator for a skill, to check if a character has an item in invetory to enable to skill, and conume said item on skill use? |
| 22:42.35 | Vailreth | i dont think a validator can do that but requirements may be able to |
| 22:42.45 | DivinityOne | mmm |
| 22:42.55 | DivinityOne | I'll research it a bit |
| 22:43.14 | DivinityOne | I basicly want to enable skills/abilties based on what the character has in ivetory or equiped |
| 22:43.54 | DivinityOne | Ezample... a marine cant use a stim pack, unless he has the stim item in invetory. |
| 22:44.10 | Vailreth | it might be possible with the Unit completed at unit requirement |
| 22:44.19 | DivinityOne | and its consumed of course. |
| 22:44.37 | DivinityOne | I'll look, just was hopeing for a quick answer :p |
| 22:44.59 | Vailreth | that should be possible But the ability has charge count athority over all other charge counts |
| 22:48.00 | DivinityOne | WTB less logic checks... |
| 22:48.11 | Daara | hey vailreth |
| 22:48.19 | Vailreth | hey |
| 22:48.26 | Daara | remember when you had a little trivia question awhile back |
| 22:48.32 | Vailreth | nope |
| 22:48.33 | Daara | and the reward was some data work |
| 22:48.36 | Vailreth | ah yes |
| 22:48.45 | DivinityOne | question what question!? |
| 22:48.47 | Daara | <-- |
| 22:48.58 | Vailreth | i dont recall the question though but ill lend ahaind i have a few days free |
| 22:49.01 | DivinityOne | <--can sue some data grunt work |
| 22:49.11 | Daara | i need abilities bad |
| 22:49.19 | Vailreth | me too Divinity |
| 22:49.26 | A1win | any ideas why my apply behavior ability doesn't apply the behavior even though the ability completes (I created an event to print debug messages) |
| 22:49.27 | Vailreth | what abilities? |
| 22:49.35 | Daara | to name a few |
| 22:49.38 | Daara | frost arrows |
| 22:49.45 | Daara | blizzard |
| 22:49.51 | Daara | summon water elemental |
| 22:49.54 | A1win | the behavior has duration of 10 but it just doesn't get on the unit, or maybe gets instantly removed for some reason |
| 22:50.05 | Daara | fan of knives |
| 22:50.21 | DivinityOne | A1win how is it applyed? |
| 22:50.25 | Vailreth | people have been trying for frost arrows since beta |
| 22:50.39 | A1win | with an apply behavior effect |
| 22:50.52 | DivinityOne | i mean in what situation, a skill use, a proc, etc? |
| 22:50.55 | A1win | it was working before and I'm not sure if I even changed anything... well obviously something |
| 22:51.13 | A1win | ability - target -> apply behavior effect -> behavior |
| 22:51.18 | Daara | i'm sure i could do brilliance aura myself |
| 22:51.22 | Daara | since i have devotion already |
| 22:51.33 | Daara | would just need to switch values to energy regen |
| 22:51.41 | DivinityOne | its tuppost to apply on the target or the caster? |
| 22:52.03 | DivinityOne | and what is the effect? |
| 22:52.18 | A1win | I think I know what it is, sec |
| 22:52.43 | A1win | yay |
| 22:52.51 | A1win | it bugged with Transient flag |
| 22:52.52 | A1win | :x |
| 22:53.10 | DivinityOne | Transients... they need to find a home! |
| 22:53.46 | Daara | once i get all 4 human heros with abilities i'll be able to start doing some balancing and testing online |
| 22:53.46 | DivinityOne | Okay time to start absolutly fresh with a new map... |
| 22:54.14 | Daara | i think i fixed the stupid timer thing divinity lol |
| 22:54.22 | Daara | rule when creating timers |
| 22:54.22 | DivinityOne | Darra the easest way to balance (from my play) is to limit the worker count per hall... not population |
| 22:54.39 | Daara | create them seperately from the trigger you start them in |
| 22:54.54 | DivinityOne | cool |
| 22:55.10 | DivinityOne | Good to know in the future |
| 22:55.52 | DivinityOne | Anyway Daara with your risk map.. i think you need to force exspansion. by limiting the worker count per area |
| 22:56.13 | DivinityOne | if you can build 20 workers with jsut 1 hall... it kinda lets you turtle and build a huge army |
| 22:56.18 | Daara | not really |
| 22:56.22 | DivinityOne | and for long games you dont want resoruces to depleat... |
| 22:56.27 | Daara | gold mine can only support 5+ peasants at a time |
| 22:56.32 | DivinityOne | so if you limit the incom by territory owned... |
| 22:56.33 | Daara | any more and you have them sitting around |
| 22:56.38 | DivinityOne | it kinda makes it easyer to balance |
| 22:56.38 | Daara | same with lumber |
| 22:56.51 | Daara | i do have forced expansion |
| 22:57.17 | Daara | silo's provide supply |
| 22:57.21 | Daara | as do the farms you build around them |
| 22:57.32 | Daara | and you can only have 4 farms per silo |
| 22:57.43 | Daara | so if you only have 4 silo's you can only have like 50 or so units |
| 22:57.59 | Daara | and when you get higher up units start to cost 2-3 supply |
| 22:58.18 | Daara | if you sit in a corner you'll only ever have a small army |
| 22:58.27 | DivinityOne | yes i recall ;p ut was just a suggestion for resources ;p i think their to high as well. income. i could build a huge army quick. I think you need to put more reliance on defence buildings as well. Defence buildings are cheap to defence aginst early game army? When your incomes low. |
| 22:58.48 | Daara | yea i'll work on that |
| 22:58.57 | Daara | i've reduced the time to build at the start |
| 22:59.03 | Daara | so you can actually get more units |
| 22:59.04 | DivinityOne | I think you need to slow the army build... army sjsut exsplode into life to quick |
| 22:59.14 | Daara | it's really slow at the start |
| 22:59.21 | Daara | but yea you're right |
| 22:59.33 | DivinityOne | just my thoguhts, you know what your doing ;p |
| 22:59.35 | Daara | after the start you just plop units everywhere |
| 22:59.40 | Daara | that might change though |
| 22:59.44 | Daara | once you actually have to defend yourself |
| 23:00.08 | Daara | i'm keeping an eye on it |
| 23:00.25 | DivinityOne | thats where guard towers could come into play. 1 gaurd tower can defend your area fairly well early on. but later when armys ar elike 40-50 units, the towers not enuph |
| 23:01.02 | Daara | i'll have upgrades for buildings |
| 23:01.03 | DivinityOne | right now 8 basic units kill a tower lol |
| 23:01.05 | DivinityOne | as i saw |
| 23:01.07 | Daara | to increase their armor |
| 23:01.33 | Daara | hps and damage too ofcourse |
| 23:01.40 | Daara | it'll come in time :D |
| 23:02.01 | DivinityOne | I dont think thats as fun honestly ;p |
| 23:02.28 | DivinityOne | id rather up a guard tower to a stone tower, to a sige tower. and all the benifits apply right away |
| 23:02.45 | DivinityOne | havign tod ecide do i want dmg, do i want rnge, do i want armour... |
| 23:02.47 | DivinityOne | its meh |
| 23:03.09 | Daara | well you can still have all of that |
| 23:03.12 | DivinityOne | makes sence for units. but builds? not sure |
| 23:03.44 | Daara | i'll probably have a scout tower upgrade into guard tower, arcane tower, siege tower etc. |
| 23:03.48 | Daara | just haven't gotten to that yet |
| 23:03.50 | Eldrazor | <DivinityOne> Can i use a validator for a skill, to check if a character has an item in invetory to enable to skill, and conume said item on skill use? |
| 23:03.51 | Eldrazor | yes |
| 23:03.59 | Eldrazor | use requirements to check for behavior |
| 23:04.08 | DivinityOne | mmmm |
| 23:04.12 | Eldrazor | behavior adds charges |
| 23:04.17 | Eldrazor | or wait |
| 23:04.17 | DivinityOne | but the items not a bheavor ;p |
| 23:04.23 | Eldrazor | equip -- behavior |
| 23:04.34 | DivinityOne | ahh |
| 23:04.41 | Eldrazor | behavior shouldn't add charges |
| 23:04.47 | Eldrazor | but i'm sure there's a way to modify inventory through effects |
| 23:05.01 | Eldrazor | let me startup the editor |
| 23:05.02 | DivinityOne | and do a passive check on the unit.. to fire when ivnetory changes so it removes charges if unit drops an item without useing skill? |
| 23:05.13 | Eldrazor | hrm |
| 23:05.21 | Eldrazor | that's one way |
| 23:05.27 | Eldrazor | but the behavior will also be removed |
| 23:05.29 | Eldrazor | when you drop the item |
| 23:05.30 | Helral | meow? |
| 23:05.43 | Eldrazor | let me startup the editor :D |
| 23:05.45 | DivinityOne | Not adding behavor to the character with item... |
| 23:05.54 | Eldrazor | why not? |
| 23:06.01 | DivinityOne | I think i can jsut check unit invetory for an item cant i? |
| 23:06.09 | Eldrazor | then you'll have to trigger |
| 23:06.14 | Eldrazor | behaviors don't do much y'know |
| 23:06.15 | DivinityOne | like a validator.. unit has Stim pack in ivnetory.. true.. enable skill |
| 23:06.16 | Eldrazor | you can hide them |
| 23:06.51 | Eldrazor | mmhr |
| 23:06.52 | Eldrazor | i would say |
| 23:06.53 | DivinityOne | yes but thats what i mean.. a simple check... behavor* check to see if item in invetory, ture, enable ability, false, disable |
| 23:07.02 | Eldrazor | you can |
| 23:07.04 | DivinityOne | and on abilit end, remove item from ivnetory |
| 23:07.05 | Helral | you can prolly make a validator, since items are units. even in inventory. |
| 23:07.05 | Eldrazor | but that's through triggers |
| 23:07.11 | Eldrazor | yea |
| 23:07.15 | Eldrazor | i was thinking of a search effect |
| 23:07.26 | Eldrazor | that searches in radius 0 for the item units |
| 23:07.28 | Eldrazor | but dunno if that works |
| 23:07.37 | Eldrazor | you'd think it does |
| 23:08.03 | DivinityOne | K i'll look into it as well but starting my clean map to apply all the behavors i anted. i did so much crap in my test map i want to start fresh now that i have it down |
| 23:08.21 | Eldrazor | heh |
| 23:08.23 | Eldrazor | yea |
| 23:08.23 | DivinityOne | isnt there a valdiator to check units ivnetory? |
| 23:08.32 | Eldrazor | nope |
| 23:08.35 | Eldrazor | not that i know |
| 23:08.38 | DivinityOne | thats kinda stupid... |
| 23:09.01 | Eldrazor | mmhr |
| 23:09.08 | Eldrazor | inventory isnt that incorporated into the engine |
| 23:09.09 | DivinityOne | comapre cargo! |
| 23:09.16 | DivinityOne | it is |
| 23:09.19 | Eldrazor | inventory = cargo? |
| 23:09.24 | DivinityOne | possibly |
| 23:09.32 | Eldrazor | hrm |
| 23:09.34 | DivinityOne | i'm looking now |
| 23:09.35 | Eldrazor | i'd still go for behaviors |
| 23:09.36 | Eldrazor | :P |
| 23:09.44 | Eldrazor | if you don't make it do anything |
| 23:09.48 | Eldrazor | it takes up very little data |
| 23:09.52 | Eldrazor | i think they compress it that way |
| 23:09.55 | Eldrazor | even if you have a buff |
| 23:10.04 | Eldrazor | if it doesn't have damage response, it doesn't check every time a unit is damaged |
| 23:11.03 | Eldrazor | and it doesn't add all that data to your map too |
| 23:11.04 | Eldrazor | it just adds |
| 23:11.13 | DivinityOne | yep |
| 23:11.15 | DivinityOne | i understand |
| 23:11.17 | Eldrazor | "new behavior, parent: X, name: Y" |
| 23:11.28 | Eldrazor | so |
| 23:11.32 | DivinityOne | i was thinking i could skip the bheavor and code it though ability alone |
| 23:11.32 | Eldrazor | just putting a hidden behavior on it |
| 23:11.33 | Eldrazor | works fine :D |
| 23:11.43 | Eldrazor | doesn't really work like that most of the time |
| 23:11.50 | DivinityOne | Yep i'll figure it out |
| 23:11.53 | Eldrazor | besides |
| 23:11.55 | Eldrazor | it's not that much work |
| 23:11.56 | Eldrazor | really |
| 23:11.58 | Eldrazor | just default behavior |
| 23:11.58 | DivinityOne | if i get an answer i'll let you know |
| 23:12.00 | Eldrazor | flags: hidden |
| 23:12.00 | Eldrazor | done |
| 23:12.01 | Eldrazor | xD |
| 23:13.10 | Helral | you can always use dummy behaviors, if needed ;p |
| 23:14.03 | Eldrazor | besides |
| 23:14.07 | Eldrazor | behavior add a layer of control |
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| 23:28.10 | Vailreth | divinity do you need the items like stim to be in the inventory or do you just need an item like a power up that can be gathered expends its self and adds to the counts of the ability? |
| 23:30.16 | DivinityOne | in invetory |
| 23:30.29 | Eldrazor | then i'm pretty sure you'll need a behavior |
| 23:30.38 | DivinityOne | also can i sue behavor modifers to change unit player controler? |
| 23:30.43 | DivinityOne | or only an effect can do that? |
| 23:30.52 | Eldrazor | think that's effect-only |
| 23:31.01 | Eldrazor | but you can give a behavior an initial and final effect |
| 23:31.20 | DivinityOne | If i set a periotic effect on a perminet behavor... will it auto fire and change the units alignment? |
| 23:31.28 | Vailreth | behaviors can change the controller of a unit not its owner |
| 23:31.29 | Eldrazor | use the initial effect |
| 23:31.34 | DivinityOne | initial will change user.... |
| 23:31.36 | DivinityOne | okay that works |
| 23:31.45 | Eldrazor | periodic is waste of processing |
| 23:31.46 | Eldrazor | power |
| 23:32.25 | DivinityOne | okay how do i change controler with effect |
| 23:32.28 | DivinityOne | what type of effect? |
| 23:32.37 | Eldrazor | 1 min let me see |
| 23:32.41 | A1win | nothing more annoying than a trigger error in the middle of a long game without enough indication to what caused it >_> |
| 23:32.48 | DivinityOne | modify unit? |
| 23:33.56 | Vailreth | modify unit permanently changes the owner |
| 23:34.21 | DivinityOne | yes what to i clickn poke or type to do that |
| 23:34.26 | DivinityOne | im useign 15 hostile ;p |
| 23:34.41 | DivinityOne | trasfer unit? |
| 23:35.10 | Eldrazor | i presume modification flags - Owner |
| 23:35.15 | A1win | do trigger errors show in replays? |
| 23:35.23 | Eldrazor | maybe |
| 23:35.28 | Eldrazor | hrm |
| 23:35.35 | Eldrazor | you're best off trying it out |
| 23:36.58 | DivinityOne | i dont see how to sue the effect to trasfer ownership at all >_< |
| 23:37.36 | Vailreth | in modification flags you tick owner |
| 23:37.47 | Vailreth | in the modify unit effect |
| 23:37.49 | DivinityOne | yes |
| 23:38.00 | DivinityOne | but how do i then say which owner it is given to... |
| 23:38.10 | Vailreth | transfer unit |
| 23:38.10 | Eldrazor | that i wonder |
| 23:38.17 | Eldrazor | well yea |
| 23:38.20 | Eldrazor | but you can't pick a value |
| 23:38.24 | Eldrazor | only target/source/etc. |
| 23:38.42 | Vailreth | those are the values it accepts so you just have to plan it out. |
| 23:39.28 | Vailreth | the caster of a behavior effect is usually the unit with the behavior so you would wan the source instead of caster |
| 23:39.28 | DivinityOne | *confused* i still dont understand how to point to to player 15 lol. |
| 23:39.34 | Eldrazor | k |
| 23:39.36 | Eldrazor | i think i know |
| 23:39.47 | Eldrazor | if you make player 15 apply the behavior |
| 23:39.51 | Vailreth | you would have to have player 15 cast the behavior |
| 23:39.52 | Vailreth | yes |
| 23:40.04 | Eldrazor | which i think you're already doing? |
| 23:40.13 | DivinityOne | nope... |
| 23:40.25 | DivinityOne | since it runs at the end of existing behavors |
| 23:40.30 | Eldrazor | that works too i think |
| 23:40.39 | Eldrazor | if the behaviors |
| 23:40.42 | Vailreth | it should trace back to the source |
| 23:40.45 | Eldrazor | are given by player 15 |
| 23:40.47 | DivinityOne | the player 15 starts to process... but the behavors already on the unit (hiden) actualy proc the final stage... so i dont think tis 15 |
| 23:40.50 | Eldrazor | no wait |
| 23:40.59 | Eldrazor | lets see |
| 23:41.01 | Eldrazor | i think i know how |
| 23:41.07 | DivinityOne | its like 4 behavors down lol |
| 23:41.21 | Vailreth | hmm you may need to change somethings |
| 23:41.25 | DivinityOne | theirs a whole chain of them |
| 23:41.26 | Eldrazor | FieldUnknown Effect Unit: Effect <insert effect that gives behavior here> |
| 23:41.37 | Eldrazor | FieldUnknown Effect Unit: Value Source> |
| 23:41.40 | Eldrazor | you can point |
| 23:41.41 | Eldrazor | to what effect |
| 23:41.44 | Eldrazor | the source is |
| 23:42.11 | Vailreth | as far as i can tell that works only if the effect is still active |
| 23:42.17 | Eldrazor | effects are one-shots |
| 23:42.20 | Eldrazor | so that's impossible |
| 23:42.27 | Vailreth | no some effects last longer |
| 23:42.30 | Eldrazor | i think i've used it |
| 23:42.32 | Eldrazor | in that way |
| 23:42.33 | Eldrazor | before |
| 23:42.51 | Vailreth | ive never been able to |
| 23:42.53 | Eldrazor | it's worth trying :P |
| 23:43.00 | DivinityOne | i dont see why its so complciated to trasfer ownership lol |
| 23:43.14 | Eldrazor | it's not really all that complicated |
| 23:43.19 | Eldrazor | considering you have a huge amount of control |
| 23:43.52 | Eldrazor | and considering it doesn't have the same formatting as trigger editor |
| 23:44.04 | Vailreth | would you mind explaining the chain ? |
| 23:44.21 | DivinityOne | its the incap chain... |
| 23:44.28 | DivinityOne | first is infected... |
| 23:44.42 | Eldrazor | use the effect that applies the infected buff |
| 23:44.43 | DivinityOne | then death prevention kikcs in, then incap, then stand up, then this |
| 23:44.46 | Eldrazor | as a target |
| 23:44.53 | Eldrazor | i mean |
| 23:44.55 | Eldrazor | as effect value |
| 23:45.28 | DivinityOne | I dont want them to change owners till they morph... and when they morph they ebcome a carrier... |
| 23:45.39 | Eldrazor | they won't |
| 23:45.43 | Eldrazor | but it'll use that |
| 23:45.47 | Eldrazor | to define source/target/etc. values |
| 23:45.52 | Vailreth | i think i have a solution |
| 23:47.35 | Eldrazor | also |
| 23:47.37 | Eldrazor | divinityone |
| 23:47.39 | Eldrazor | your map sounds interesting |
| 23:47.44 | Eldrazor | it has zombies; it is interesting |
| 23:47.45 | Eldrazor | :P |
| 23:47.49 | DivinityOne | haha |
| 23:47.56 | Vailreth | you may be able to give the infection behavior a damage response chance like the death prevention only apply the owner change effect there.. |
| 23:48.00 | DivinityOne | has alot more then that if i can get the simple parts of it done! |
| 23:48.06 | DivinityOne | this is way to complex for simple parts! |
| 23:48.17 | Eldrazor | well |
| 23:48.24 | DivinityOne | appying the effect is easy! |
| 23:48.26 | Eldrazor | there's something satisfying about using the data editor for stuff |
| 23:48.36 | DivinityOne | i just dont know how to change player still! lol |
| 23:48.43 | Eldrazor | have you tried what i said? |
| 23:48.52 | DivinityOne | it confused me i didnt know what to do. |
| 23:49.00 | Eldrazor | k |
| 23:49.09 | Eldrazor | you have the chain |
| 23:49.23 | Eldrazor | Effect: apply infected --> incapacitated --> etc. |
| 23:49.30 | Eldrazor | or well |
| 23:49.34 | Eldrazor | a bit more accurately |
| 23:50.11 | Eldrazor | Effect: apply infected --> Behavior: apply infected --> Effect: apply incapacitated --> Behavior: incapacitated --> etc. |
| 23:50.21 | Eldrazor | or sth like that |
| 23:50.31 | Eldrazor | in your Effect: change owner |
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| 23:50.50 | Eldrazor | change Effect: Modification Flags + |
| 23:50.59 | Eldrazor | mark Owner |
| 23:51.11 | Eldrazor | then |
| 23:51.16 | Eldrazor | Unit: Transfer Unit + |
| 23:51.32 | Eldrazor | change "Effect" to "Effect: apply infeced" |
| 23:51.36 | Eldrazor | infected* |
| 23:51.54 | Eldrazor | set the "Value" to Source |
| 23:53.05 | Eldrazor | and it might work |
| 23:56.06 | Eldrazor | if it doesn't |
| 23:56.18 | Eldrazor | i dunno |
| 23:58.45 | DivinityOne | didnt do a thing |
| 23:59.09 | Eldrazor | k |
| 23:59.29 | DivinityOne | but i think i have a bug in the process |
| 23:59.31 | Eldrazor | well you can always go for triggers :P |
| 23:59.32 | DivinityOne | let me try again |
| 23:59.37 | Eldrazor | but first |
| 23:59.41 | Eldrazor | you should send yourself a message |
| 23:59.45 | Eldrazor | the moment the effect is triggered |
| 23:59.53 | Eldrazor | that way you know it's in the effect itself or in the chain before |
