| 00:19.09 | Cardinal_ | irc is dead alwayz |
| 00:20.07 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:32.18 | Ahli | Made my map now identify new players, disable saving for old players with corrupted banks. Loading is disabled for everyone, if someone had a corrupted bank. Starting the map in singleplayer in first slot now gives an option to reset your bank file. Now it's possible to create heroes that aren't saved, if your bank is corrupted or you already got 5 saved heroes. |
| 00:33.47 | Ahli | I also added the info, that they should complain about bank limitations in multiplayer games, if that happens frequently and they like the map. :D |
| 00:33.59 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:34.07 | JademusSreg | Crowdsourcing your complaints. |
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| 00:38.03 | Ahli | ^^ |
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| 01:02.25 | Cardinal_ | I've just accidentally created an awesome system/art assets for a 'sc2 troll tribes map'... |
| 01:03.36 | JademusSreg | I call dibs on playing Vriska Serket. |
| 01:04.59 | Cardinal_ | What's that? |
| 01:05.24 | JademusSreg | It's an MSPA reference. |
| 01:07.55 | Ahli | accidentally? |
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| 01:14.06 | tampa1adam | Why doesnt this work: http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1214/wtfvu.jpg |
| 01:14.38 | tampa1adam | If I change the Event to "Started" instead of "Completed" it works, but I cant use "Started"... |
| 01:15.00 | tampa1adam | I'm morphing a drone into a spine/spore is all im doing. |
| 01:28.17 | Cardinal_ | What's MSPA? |
| 01:28.50 | Cardinal_ | ~Ahli - yes :s, load/unload behaviour for uncontrollable ai peasants who chop trees, take logs to a sawmill, produce planks, and build stuff :D |
| 01:29.15 | tampa1adam | ? |
| 01:30.59 | JademusSreg | How to Google MSPA: Step 1, google "MSPA". |
| 01:34.35 | Ahli | a whirlpool? |
| 01:40.33 | tampa1adam | this place is never any help :( |
| 01:40.57 | Ahli | tampa, create some text displays that help you debug that |
| 01:41.34 | Ahli | I've never used that event. so I have no idea. but that's how I solve my problems: gather more information to track down the problem |
| 01:42.40 | tampa1adam | thx |
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| 02:32.53 | Cardinal_ | All quiet on the western front. |
| 02:57.46 | tampa1adam | here should be an easy one, where do I edit the refund numbers that display on screen when a building is cancelled? |
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| 04:13.15 | Demo_ | compound inequalities including or, can they have no solution? |
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| 04:28.38 | Bounty | Lolwut |
| 04:30.44 | Bounty | I see IRC is booming as usual |
| 04:31.02 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 04:31.07 | JademusSreg | How's SWTOR? |
| 04:31.11 | Bounty | Good |
| 04:31.17 | Bounty | Better than customs |
| 04:31.18 | Bounty | lolol |
| 04:31.31 | Bounty | I replied to your reply on the bnet forums sir |
| 04:31.35 | Bounty | you offended meh |
| 04:31.52 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:31.59 | JademusSreg | I was prepared for such a response. |
| 04:32.05 | Bounty | >< |
| 04:32.41 | Bounty | You're like Glen Beck but instead of the word "Nazi" you just throw around "Self-Entitlement" :) |
| 04:32.51 | JademusSreg | Haha, naw. |
| 04:33.04 | Bounty | yaw |
| 04:33.11 | Bounty | maybe on a differant subject |
| 04:33.16 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:33.20 | Bounty | but not the sc2 custom maps and the popularity system |
| 04:33.33 | Bounty | everyone saying the same thing is not everyone feeling self entitled lol |
| 04:34.00 | Bounty | i personally dont feel entitled to shit from blizz, but its just the right move on their part |
| 04:34.11 | Bounty | btw i was shocked to see you post in that thread |
| 04:34.18 | Bounty | i really thought you were going to be a HoTS buyer |
| 04:35.20 | JademusSreg | "We're a highly vocal but economically insignificant fraction of your product's consumers! We demand disproportionate benefits relative to our value!" |
| 04:35.36 | JademusSreg | That's what I see when people whine about stuff on the forums. |
| 04:35.45 | Bounty | With the popularity system? |
| 04:35.52 | Bounty | and nobody has said those exact words |
| 04:35.59 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:36.18 | Bounty | im correct though right? you're refering to the pop system? |
| 04:36.36 | JademusSreg | All of the complaints. |
| 04:36.49 | Bounty | ... but they are valid complaints |
| 04:36.53 | Bounty | the drop bug + popularity system |
| 04:36.57 | Bounty | are 100% valid |
| 04:37.00 | Bounty | everything else i agree with u on |
| 04:37.02 | Bounty | but not those two |
| 04:37.05 | Bounty | its like |
| 04:37.15 | Bounty | if i release a new Call of Duty game |
| 04:37.22 | JademusSreg | Sure. They suck. But Blizzard owes custom mappers jack. They ought to know better and show some humility. =D |
| 04:37.23 | Bounty | and it has no multiplayer |
| 04:37.30 | Bounty | and its a rhythm game |
| 04:37.38 | Bounty | you wouldnt feel the need to complain? |
| 04:37.47 | Bounty | LOL? |
| 04:37.53 | Bounty | humilitY? |
| 04:38.16 | Bounty | its mutual humility brah |
| 04:38.22 | Bounty | we're thankful for the editor |
| 04:38.28 | Bounty | they're thankful for FREE content provided by us |
| 04:38.50 | Bounty | besides |
| 04:39.04 | Bounty | thats the first time ive seen the word humility used outside of bowing to the greek gods |
| 04:39.39 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:40.00 | JademusSreg | You've never seen the word used in Christian myths? |
| 04:40.07 | A1win | "free content" makes it sound like there's actually something worth playing in the custom maps |
| 04:40.09 | Bounty | that to |
| 04:40.27 | Bounty | and TF2 hats are worth paying for? |
| 04:40.32 | Bounty | content is content |
| 04:40.37 | A1win | no, they aren't :P |
| 04:41.16 | Bounty | and i agree, there is nothing worth playing atm |
| 04:41.28 | Bounty | bc its like... just amazing how bad it is |
| 04:41.39 | Bounty | and i just lol anyone tries to defend it |
| 04:41.41 | Demo_ | who wants to trade sex for testing? |
| 04:41.57 | Bounty | its over, or as you E Sports people would say |
| 04:42.01 | Bounty | GEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH!!! |
| 04:42.07 | Bounty | move on, and buy SWTOR |
| 04:42.57 | JademusSreg | Naw, MMOs are dull. |
| 04:44.19 | A1win | custom mappers can't really provide anything worth the work that'd be involved in spending lots of time only for them |
| 04:45.31 | A1win | modding communities are becoming less and less important, they just can't compete with actual game development teams/companies in quality |
| 04:46.13 | A1win | and there are so many more games these days than there used to be back when modding communities were full of life |
| 04:47.00 | Bounty | i disagree |
| 04:47.02 | A1win | not exactly sure how much the number of gamers has increased in relation to number of games though |
| 04:47.09 | Deaod | custom mappers get fucked in the ass every chance big studios get |
| 04:47.19 | Bounty | if the sc2 mapping community was actually motivated |
| 04:47.23 | Bounty | it would be ALOT differant |
| 04:47.31 | Bounty | look at the shit i do |
| 04:47.33 | Bounty | and i suck |
| 04:47.48 | Bounty | multiply what i do by like 10000 and thats what people would be making |
| 04:47.54 | Deaod | lets take a look at the complexity of WC3s editor |
| 04:48.06 | Deaod | and then lets take a look at the complexity of SC2s editor |
| 04:48.15 | Deaod | i appreciate the increase in flexibility |
| 04:48.39 | Deaod | but WC3 modding was popular because WC3 modding was comparatively easy to do |
| 04:48.45 | A1win | that's what I mean about not being able to compete, everything is getting so much more complicated that it takes too much more time to learn everything |
| 04:48.50 | Bounty | Deaod |
| 04:49.03 | Bounty | WC3's custom map list system helped... alot lol |
| 04:49.14 | Bounty | If WC3 had the popualrity list |
| 04:49.22 | Bounty | there is a good chance we may not even have ever heard of dota |
| 04:49.31 | Deaod | yes we would have |
| 04:49.53 | Bounty | how would you know that? |
| 04:50.02 | Bounty | how do you know people would have known about it |
| 04:50.02 | Deaod | how would you know the opposite |
| 04:50.06 | Bounty | exactly |
| 04:50.09 | Bounty | so its a stalemate |
| 04:50.11 | Bounty | gg |
| 04:50.22 | Bounty | Its like the tootsie pop commercial |
| 04:50.23 | Deaod | so isnt the point youre trying to make irrelevant? |
| 04:50.32 | Bounty | how many licks does it take to get to the centeR? |
| 04:50.35 | Bounty | the world may never know |
| 04:50.39 | Bounty | nope |
| 04:50.51 | Bounty | ending a point with a stalemate is better than ending a point in defeat |
| 04:51.00 | A1win | >_> |
| 04:51.04 | Deaod | yes, the popularity list favors old content |
| 04:51.05 | Deaod | not new |
| 04:51.25 | Deaod | but blizzard created additional lists that favor new content |
| 04:51.25 | JademusSreg | What's the topic? I wasn't paying attention. |
| 04:51.37 | Bounty | The usual JademusSreg |
| 04:51.39 | Bounty | the usual |
| 04:51.42 | Bounty | but with a twist |
| 04:52.08 | Bounty | but thats the problem Deaod |
| 04:52.15 | Bounty | I know Blizzard is smarter than that |
| 04:52.23 | Bounty | They know those other lists dont work bc they know their audience |
| 04:52.28 | Bounty | lazy |
| 04:52.45 | Bounty | Its the age of Twitter Twits |
| 04:52.50 | Deaod | but for the average user, battle.net as it is is good enough |
| 04:52.56 | Bounty | everything has to be fast |
| 04:52.58 | Bounty | or instant |
| 04:53.02 | Bounty | or its not worth doing |
| 04:53.23 | Bounty | Well if you look at it that way, then we are all truly doomed |
| 04:54.32 | Deaod | again though, Blizzard didnt invest into making their tools easy to understand and use |
| 04:54.52 | Deaod | thats fine for internal development |
| 04:55.11 | Bounty | they are easy to use |
| 04:55.21 | Bounty | i seriously cannot stress it enough how much of an amateur i am |
| 04:55.22 | JademusSreg | Modders don't matter economically. Modders ought to be thankful for what they get, because modders do not matter. |
| 04:55.29 | JademusSreg | They just don't. |
| 04:55.36 | Bounty | I disagree |
| 04:55.39 | Bounty | look at skyrim |
| 04:55.48 | Bounty | u know bethesda knew the modders would fix that game |
| 04:55.52 | Bounty | and they did |
| 04:55.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:55.54 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:55.59 | Deaod | you could argue that modding kept SC and WC3 alive |
| 04:56.01 | Bounty | u know im right to |
| 04:56.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:56.09 | Bounty | skyrim vanilla is so ass |
| 04:56.10 | A1win | I'd still guess that very few buy skyrim because "there are mods" |
| 04:56.11 | Bounty | but with mods |
| 04:56.14 | Bounty | holy jumping shitballs |
| 04:56.15 | Bounty | its amazing |
| 04:56.15 | Deaod | DotA surely kept WC3 alive |
| 04:56.17 | JademusSreg | Naw, I think it's funny you think that. |
| 04:56.30 | Bounty | Jademus |
| 04:56.32 | JademusSreg | Anyway, for them ost part, modders don't matter. |
| 04:56.34 | Bounty | The snow textures |
| 04:56.35 | Bounty | the |
| 04:56.36 | Bounty | fucking |
| 04:56.38 | Bounty | snow textures |
| 04:56.41 | Bounty | were done in MS Paint |
| 04:56.51 | Deaod | for the immediate economic success, modders dont matter |
| 04:56.57 | Bounty | no supprot for 2 or more gb of ram? |
| 04:57.02 | Bounty | no FOV option? |
| 04:57.06 | A1win | keeping a game without monthly fees alive doesn't mean it provides any money |
| 04:57.35 | Deaod | most of the money is earned when the game is first released |
| 04:58.07 | A1win | however |
| 04:58.19 | A1win | keeping a game alive, there's a better chance people will buy your next game |
| 04:58.31 | Bounty | I think it will be interesting to see if Blizzard fucked up enough to affect HoTS sales |
| 04:58.41 | Bounty | Because i know everyone is saying they wont buy it |
| 04:58.47 | Bounty | But how many will stick to that will be interesting |
| 04:58.50 | Deaod | what? |
| 04:58.54 | Deaod | ill buy it. |
| 04:59.01 | Bounty | You're a fool |
| 04:59.02 | Deaod | ill do so eventually anyway |
| 04:59.04 | Bounty | >< |
| 04:59.20 | JademusSreg | Just seems funny how much modders think they matter. It's kind of self-deceptive. They can keep communities afloat for decades, but they don't print money, so to speak. |
| 04:59.24 | A1win | who is this "everyone" who's saying that? custom mappers? |
| 04:59.25 | Bounty | The only Blizz game i personally am ever buying is D3 and thats just to make extra money on the side farming the AH |
| 04:59.45 | Bounty | So you have to generate income to matter JademusSreg? |
| 04:59.53 | Bounty | Interesting point of view |
| 04:59.56 | JademusSreg | To a company that exists to make money, yes. |
| 04:59.57 | A1win | obviously |
| 05:00.08 | Bounty | im talking about in the wide spectrum of things |
| 05:00.11 | Bounty | not to Blizzard |
| 05:00.20 | A1win | all companies exist to make money |
| 05:00.21 | Bounty | Ok let me help you |
| 05:00.24 | Bounty | Blizzard is not God |
| 05:00.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:00.43 | A1win | well at least all game developing companies |
| 05:00.45 | Bounty | What they think is not 100% correct |
| 05:00.55 | JademusSreg | If you had a cornfield, I expect it would have more scarecrows than crow stalks. |
| 05:01.05 | JademusSreg | *corn stalks |
| 05:01.07 | A1win | we're not talking about what blizzard thinks, we have own opinions you know o: |
| 05:01.15 | JademusSreg | (I wonder what a crow stalk would look like.) |
| 05:01.25 | Bounty | If you save someones life, and you're not a doctor of paramedic (you get no money for doing it). Does it matter? |
| 05:01.33 | Bounty | The answer is yes |
| 05:01.38 | Bounty | Unless Blizzard says otherwise |
| 05:01.41 | Bounty | according to Jade |
| 05:01.47 | Bounty | >< |
| 05:01.54 | A1win | that's a poor analogy <.< |
| 05:02.03 | A1win | modders might matter to other gamers |
| 05:02.07 | A1win | but not to the game developers |
| 05:02.07 | JademusSreg | I think you might be a hermaphroditic strawman, because you seem to make so many of them. |
| 05:02.08 | Bounty | It is a good one actually bc thats what im trying to make my point as |
| 05:02.13 | Bounty | I'm not talking about BUSINESS wise |
| 05:02.23 | Bounty | im saying overall, modders are VERY important and do matter |
| 05:02.49 | A1win | they matter to who? |
| 05:02.49 | Bounty | yeah A1win |
| 05:02.51 | Bounty | thats what im saying |
| 05:02.52 | A1win | (I just said it) |
| 05:02.53 | Bounty | what u just said |
| 05:02.58 | A1win | yeah..? |
| 05:03.03 | A1win | >.> |
| 05:03.07 | Bounty | they dont matter to game devs |
| 05:03.10 | Bounty | which is what? |
| 05:03.12 | Bounty | like 20 ppl? |
| 05:03.18 | Bounty | but they matter to the other like, 20 fucking million |
| 05:03.21 | A1win | they don't matter to the company who makes the game |
| 05:03.25 | Bounty | so what? |
| 05:03.29 | Bounty | the company is like 20-50 people |
| 05:03.32 | Bounty | VS millions |
| 05:03.34 | A1win | and you're saying the company that makes the game should support them because they matters to other people |
| 05:03.35 | Deaod | blizzard announces their games when dev teams hit 30 members |
| 05:03.37 | Bounty | ill take that anyway |
| 05:03.56 | Bounty | Its like Family Guy |
| 05:03.57 | A1win | because those 20-50 people are the ones who actually do all the work >_> |
| 05:04.03 | Bounty | got taken off the air by Fox i believe |
| 05:04.09 | Bounty | and everyone wanted it back |
| 05:04.14 | JademusSreg | Modders expect Blizzard to provide shit for free and to their specifications, with no expectation of return on the funds to develop such features. Blizzard is a company, an organization that aggregates the labor of its agents toward goals to the mutual benefit of its agents. They exist for their benefit, and that means making money. |
| 05:04.14 | Bounty | what did they do? |
| 05:04.15 | A1win | they don't do it for making a better world (at least not solely) |
| 05:04.16 | Bounty | the ybrought it back |
| 05:04.22 | Bounty | bc of everyone wanting it back |
| 05:04.27 | JademusSreg | Modders don't make money; modders a minority. |
| 05:04.36 | JademusSreg | *modders are a minority. |
| 05:04.46 | Bounty | Either did the shit tons of people that wanted Family Guy back on the air |
| 05:04.59 | Bounty | but it got back on the air bc its what they wanted |
| 05:05.07 | Bounty | and it paid off didnt it?? |
| 05:05.09 | Deaod | Sreg, but modders do keep people playing SC2 |
| 05:05.21 | A1win | another poor analogy, Bounty :P |
| 05:05.31 | Deaod | whether theres an economic value to that, i cant say for sure |
| 05:05.33 | Bounty | how the hell am i not making sense |
| 05:05.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:05.36 | Deaod | but i believe there is |
| 05:05.44 | tampa1adam | how do I edit the refund numbers that display on screen when a building is cancelled? |
| 05:05.53 | JademusSreg | Belief? =D |
| 05:05.57 | Bounty | Blizzard supporting mappers would be quite possibly the best financial decision they could make SC2 wise |
| 05:06.01 | Bounty | As it stands now |
| 05:06.04 | Bounty | the Arcade will fail |
| 05:06.06 | JademusSreg | Anyway, keep them playing, but that doesn't mean morem oney. |
| 05:06.09 | Bounty | MASSIVELY |
| 05:06.16 | A1win | family guy is a TV show that gets money for view count, SC2 is a game that gets money for people *buying* it, not for playing it |
| 05:06.24 | JademusSreg | That's more traffic on their servers, that bandwidth costs money. |
| 05:06.39 | Bounty | I was referring to someone in here saying that game devs dont care what other ppl think |
| 05:06.42 | Deaod | that bandwidth is paid for by your purchase of the game |
| 05:06.45 | Bounty | and just giving an example that sometimes |
| 05:06.49 | Bounty | the masses are right |
| 05:06.54 | Bounty | financialy |
| 05:06.56 | tampa1adam | talk about map making faggots |
| 05:07.06 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:07.11 | Bounty | [00:00] <tampa1adam> how do I edit the refund numbers that display on screen when a building is cancelled? |
| 05:07.19 | Bounty | I'll tell you how |
| 05:07.34 | A1win | Bounty, they were right in that case because those masses were also those who provide the money |
| 05:07.35 | Bounty | Meet me on Aldaraan 4,000 years in the past |
| 05:07.40 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:08.00 | Bounty | EXACTLY A1win |
| 05:08.04 | Bounty | thats what im fucking saying |
| 05:08.04 | JademusSreg | I was hoping for an elaborate and seemingly-plausible bullshit answer, but I like the reference. |
| 05:08.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:08.10 | Bounty | You dont think map makers play custom maps? |
| 05:08.17 | A1win | which would not be the case with the masses who demand better support for custom maps in SC2 |
| 05:08.20 | Bounty | or the tons of ppl complaining about the popularity system play maps? |
| 05:08.31 | A1win | those masses already own the game, for the most part |
| 05:08.39 | Bounty | im talking about the Arcade |
| 05:08.53 | Bounty | it would be a HUGE financial gain |
| 05:08.55 | Bounty | if they didnt fuck it up |
| 05:09.05 | A1win | I don't know much about it |
| 05:09.06 | Deaod | well, if you factor in their decision to allow selling maps |
| 05:09.13 | Bounty | You cant just fuck over an entire community over and over and over and over |
| 05:09.20 | Bounty | and expect them to make premium maps 2 years later |
| 05:09.25 | Deaod | then modding suddenly becomes a very attractive revenue stream |
| 05:09.25 | Bounty | thats all im saying |
| 05:09.37 | Bounty | Its not going to work imo |
| 05:09.39 | Deaod | and would be financially relevant |
| 05:09.47 | Bounty | by the time tha rcade comes out |
| 05:09.50 | Bounty | D3 will be out |
| 05:09.52 | Bounty | Now idk about u |
| 05:09.58 | Bounty | but if i had a choice of farming items on D3 |
| 05:10.02 | Bounty | or making a premium map |
| 05:10.06 | Deaod | i have zero interest in D3 |
| 05:10.08 | Bounty | as a source of secondary revenue |
| 05:10.11 | Bounty | i would choose D3 |
| 05:10.19 | Bounty | as do i Deaod |
| 05:10.22 | Bounty | but ill tell u this shit |
| 05:10.25 | Bounty | ill be farmin away |
| 05:10.28 | A1win | I have hard time believing you could make a lot of money by farming items in D3 |
| 05:10.30 | Bounty | ill hat teh game |
| 05:10.32 | Bounty | but i wont hate that money |
| 05:10.54 | A1win | but I'll have to try it too :P |
| 05:10.56 | Bounty | You have the potential to make more than by selling premium maps imo lol |
| 05:10.59 | Deaod | hell, i barely do any modding in SC2 |
| 05:11.08 | Bounty | its not a PRIMARY income |
| 05:11.09 | Bounty | derp |
| 05:11.12 | Bounty | just extra cash |
| 05:11.16 | Bounty | who doesnt like extra cash |
| 05:11.18 | A1win | yeah but is it worth it at all |
| 05:11.28 | Bounty | Think about it |
| 05:11.33 | Bounty | You're playing a COMPUTER GAME |
| 05:11.38 | A1win | obviously if making it is fun, then yeah |
| 05:11.41 | Bounty | and selling shit that IS NOT REAL |
| 05:11.45 | JademusSreg | Would be pretty neat if the modding community became economically significant. It would give modders some leverage. |
| 05:11.54 | A1win | but if it's not enough to be worth mentioning, why even talk about it |
| 05:12.00 | Bounty | The thing is JademusSreg |
| 05:12.01 | Deaod | id rather do something fun and earn money that way than do something uninteresting |
| 05:12.17 | Bounty | The modding community (atleast in SC2) IS economically significant but Blizzard fucked up |
| 05:12.19 | Deaod | no matter how good it paid, because before long id get uninterested |
| 05:12.25 | Bounty | Which is why they regret not launching with the marketplace |
| 05:12.29 | Bounty | Its to late now |
| 05:12.53 | Bounty | I'm sure D3 will be moderately fun |
| 05:13.04 | Deaod | well, theyve pushed the marketplace back since before beta began |
| 05:13.12 | Bounty | Worst move ever |
| 05:13.19 | Bounty | think about it like this |
| 05:13.24 | A1win | D3 will be fun just because all my friends will be playing it, and we can finally play something together again :P |
| 05:13.26 | Bounty | say everything that has happend happend the way it did |
| 05:13.30 | Bounty | aka blizz ignoring mappers |
| 05:13.32 | Bounty | and never changing the system |
| 05:13.39 | Bounty | if they had launched with the marketplace |
| 05:13.47 | Bounty | and everythign still remained the sameand played out as it has |
| 05:13.57 | Bounty | the marketplace would have still be a success |
| 05:14.09 | Bounty | been* |
| 05:14.14 | JademusSreg | Modders aren't economically significant. Too few, and none of it makes people want to buy more SC2 shit, so no additional revenue as a result of the community's efforts. |
| 05:14.46 | Bounty | You see the glass as half empty dont you Jade |
| 05:15.06 | JademusSreg | I think it would be neat if they were economically significant, because then it wouldn't just be nagging on the fourms. It would be about leveraging the system to mutual benefit. |
| 05:15.07 | Deaod | theres hope that the upcoming expansions will add to the editors capabilities and introduce major changes to battle.net |
| 05:15.11 | JademusSreg | Dependso n how much is in the glass. |
| 05:15.14 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:15.28 | Bounty | They wont do it Deaod |
| 05:15.44 | Bounty | The popularity system is going nowhere |
| 05:15.52 | Bounty | I'll bet my first born child on it |
| 05:16.18 | Deaod | ill take your left kidney, thank you. |
| 05:16.22 | Bounty | deal |
| 05:17.10 | Deaod | anyway, Blizzard probably has some interesting statistics on how popular the popularity system is |
| 05:17.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:17.22 | Bounty | its not popular at all |
| 05:17.38 | Deaod | you would think that because of a very vocal minorty |
| 05:17.49 | Deaod | lets try this again: minority |
| 05:17.56 | Bounty | I've never met a person on the forums or on battle.net that likes it |
| 05:17.57 | Deaod | there |
| 05:18.04 | Bounty | Its not a minority |
| 05:18.16 | Deaod | because why complain when everythings alright |
| 05:18.18 | Bounty | Which is why SC2's population is shit |
| 05:18.22 | Bounty | Because people just quit |
| 05:19.11 | A1win | it wouldn't matter that there were few modders if there were lots of players who'd pay for the mods |
| 05:19.32 | A1win | just like there are few developers who make the game |
| 05:20.03 | JademusSreg | For comparison, it is fascinating how economically significant EVE players are to CCP. Now those are some players with leverage. |
| 05:20.29 | Bounty | Never played EVE |
| 05:20.35 | Bounty | So, now idea what you're talking about |
| 05:20.54 | JademusSreg | I've not played uit either, but I know people who have and I keep up with articles about it. |
| 05:21.08 | Bounty | What can you make money from it or something? |
| 05:21.34 | Deaod | imagine a company actually meeting with representatives of the players |
| 05:21.53 | Deaod | EVE is an MMORPG of massive scales |
| 05:22.08 | Deaod | -s |
| 05:22.12 | Bounty | Ok but how do the players have leverage |
| 05:22.18 | Bounty | Do they make money from the game? |
| 05:22.45 | Deaod | players are important because if players stop playing the game, the company dies |
| 05:23.29 | Bounty | thats it? sounds like any other MMo situation |
| 05:24.52 | Deaod | yes, but players are more involved in EVE than in your average MMO |
| 05:25.08 | Bounty | I'm confused about this EVE thing |
| 05:25.11 | Bounty | im reading and |
| 05:25.12 | Deaod | the game has been around since the early 2000s |
| 05:25.18 | Bounty | how the fuck do they make money on this game? |
| 05:25.23 | Bounty | Free expansions |
| 05:25.29 | Bounty | You earn game time with in game money |
| 05:25.33 | Bounty | like wtf? |
| 05:25.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:25.56 | Deaod | well, some people dont want to hunt for the money necessary to play the game |
| 05:26.09 | Deaod | so they just pay a few dollars |
| 05:26.56 | Deaod | others lose their money through in game events and grudgingly pay a few dollars to get back on track. |
| 05:27.30 | JademusSreg | The Council of Stellar Management is a player elected body of representatives that is flown out to CCP each year to discuss matters with the company. |
| 05:28.30 | JademusSreg | That's how significant players are in EVE. They have leverage. |
| 05:29.38 | Bounty | Sorry but |
| 05:29.45 | Bounty | That just sounds like the illusion of leverage |
| 05:29.47 | JademusSreg | And they have that leverage because they have economic value to the company. Modders don't have economic significance to Blizzard. |
| 05:30.11 | Bounty | How the fuck do they have economic value that is differant from WoW? or SWTOR? |
| 05:30.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:30.45 | Bounty | Its not like they generate revanue for the company outside of what they spend out of their pockets. |
| 05:31.04 | JademusSreg | For one, they are much better organized. If other MMO player bases were even a fraction as organized, they might acquire leverage. |
| 05:31.22 | Bounty | Jade |
| 05:31.27 | Bounty | There is no "Leverage" |
| 05:31.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:31.39 | Bounty | They have nothing over the company, the company is just cool |
| 05:31.43 | Bounty | its not leverage |
| 05:32.28 | A1win | Blizzard listens to WoW players to some extent as well |
| 05:32.29 | Deaod | unlike for example BioWare, CCP has no other games |
| 05:32.30 | JademusSreg | During the recent EVE Incarna expansion, players left in scores over a huge debacle involving vanity items. |
| 05:32.46 | JademusSreg | CCP changed course. |
| 05:32.54 | JademusSreg | They have leverage because they are organized. |
| 05:33.01 | Bounty | thats how it is in all MMO's |
| 05:33.02 | JademusSreg | And because they have economic value. |
| 05:33.09 | Bounty | start a bunch of rage threads about quitting |
| 05:33.12 | Bounty | and it gets fixed |
| 05:33.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:33.19 | Bounty | they dont have econimic value! |
| 05:33.27 | Bounty | no more than any other MMO player does |
| 05:33.45 | Deaod | yes, they do. |
| 05:34.04 | Deaod | because CCP doesnt have a backup plan for when EVE fails |
| 05:35.12 | A1win | they have more economic value relative to the company's income than for example WoW players have to blizzard, because blizzard has other games as well... that's what you're saying? |
| 05:35.26 | Deaod | yes |
| 05:35.44 | Deaod | and they also have more relevance because as Sreg points out, theyre organized |
| 05:36.08 | Deaod | this is the same reason worker unions have more power than individual workers protesting |
| 05:36.38 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 05:36.57 | JademusSreg | Collective bargaining power. |
| 05:38.03 | A1win | isn't the company the one to allow that though? would they really collapse if they just stopped caring about that, or would enough players keep playing anyway? |
| 05:38.28 | Deaod | no, players would leave |
| 05:38.36 | Deaod | they have demonstrated in the past |
| 05:38.43 | Deaod | +that |
| 05:38.48 | A1win | ah |
| 05:39.26 | JademusSreg | Politics and economics are a huge factor in the gameplay of EVE. You can't doubt EVE players wouldn't enjoy the meta game of a boycott to get their way. |
| 05:40.19 | A1win | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.30 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 16:06.24 | Ashamed | good morning |
| 16:23.26 | Helral | good evening ;p |
| 16:24.49 | Helral | knocks on the channel |
| 16:24.52 | Helral | anyone home? ;p |
| 16:31.00 | Ashamed | i suppose |
| 16:31.11 | Ashamed | i am at work right now and its fucking snowing crazy |
| 16:31.14 | Ashamed | my drive home is going to blow |
| 16:35.10 | Xaragoth | making money |
| 16:35.26 | Xaragoth | currently: 115. I wonder if I should take 5 each hour ~~ |
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| 16:52.59 | Cardinal_ | I'm having this really odd bug/glitch happening |
| 16:53.10 | Cardinal_ | basically actors are 'forgetting' what their token units are |
| 16:53.17 | Cardinal_ | and it's royally messing up my map. |
| 16:53.28 | Cardinal_ | anyone else experienced something like this? |
| 16:53.48 | Cardinal_ | last night i tested my map, it worked fine |
| 16:53.52 | Cardinal_ | I've created two new abilities, went to go test |
| 16:54.00 | Cardinal_ | and three actors seem to now refer to the sameunit |
| 16:54.03 | Cardinal_ | and I can't separate them |
| 16:54.13 | Cardinal_ | eg, actorA, actorB and actorC now all point to unitB |
| 16:54.46 | Cardinal_ | despite their "Token - Unit Name:" field, correctly references UnitA, UnitB or UnitC respectively |
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| 16:55.20 | Helral | hmmm |
| 16:55.48 | Cardinal_ | I've changed nothing with the units and actors - they worked fine last night. All I have done is modified the bunker load/unload ability, and added it to a totally unrelated unit. |
| 16:55.58 | Cardinal_ | All units and actors have unique ID's |
| 16:56.22 | Cardinal_ | I suppose I need to delete the 3 actors which are glitching, and recreate them :'( |
| 16:56.28 | Cardinal_ | Each took about 20 minutes of setting up their events etc |
| 16:56.41 | Helral | just wondering.... |
| 16:57.01 | Helral | how you tracking the matching unit for the actor? |
| 16:58.30 | Cardinal_ | I create a new unit, base it on a marine - heavily edit it's base stats (life, movement, abilities etC) |
| 16:58.42 | Cardinal_ | duplicate this unit, give each copy a unique id and name |
| 16:58.59 | Cardinal_ | create actors for each unique unit and set the Token: Unit Name field to the respective unit |
| 16:59.31 | Cardinal_ | well, create blank actor, edit fields, duplicate |
| 16:59.35 | Cardinal_ | change events etc |
| 16:59.42 | Cardinal_ | then set unit token |
| 17:00.11 | Helral | hmmmm can I see what the problem is somehow? (testmap orso) |
| 17:00.13 | Cardinal_ | also I save my map between each step (changing unit ids and so forth - because it sometimes doesn't update in the editor) |
| 17:00.30 | Cardinal_ | sure let me ctrl+z a few times and recreate it :p |
| 17:00.39 | Helral | hehehe |
| 17:00.45 | Cardinal_ | emm I have custom assets in the map... do you have an email i can mail it all to? |
| 17:01.02 | Helral | helral.eu@gmail.com |
| 17:01.03 | Helral | ;p |
| 17:02.03 | Cardinal_ | ahh shit, i think i've found it... |
| 17:02.06 | Cardinal_ | events :s have fucked up |
| 17:02.08 | Helral | hehehe :) |
| 17:02.24 | Cardinal_ | must have copied the wrong field and pasted |
| 17:02.27 | Cardinal_ | >.< |
| 17:02.44 | Helral | well you've found it ;) saves you 40 mins of time :) |
| 17:05.38 | Cardinal_ | :) true |
| 17:06.07 | Cardinal_ | another thing, you know unit attributes? Like, 'light', 'armoured', 'mechanical', 'massive', 'biological' etc? Is it possible to change these 'names'? I can't find them anywhere in the Text Editor |
| 17:06.47 | Helral | hmmmm you should be able to I think.... |
| 17:07.42 | Cardinal_ | text editor doesn't have a 'search' function right? Or am I just being blind? :D |
| 17:08.11 | Helral | e_unitAttribute..., e_gameUIString.... |
| 17:08.26 | Helral | I just sorted it alphabetically and scrolled |
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| 17:09.36 | Cardinal_ | I did that for about an hour last night, which is why I think I am now blind :) |
| 17:09.45 | Helral | lol |
| 17:09.58 | Helral | did you search for the english word in the german editor? *grins* |
| 17:10.37 | Cardinal_ | hehehe luckily I don't have that problem :p |
| 17:10.56 | Cardinal_ | hab nur ein bisschen deustch :p |
| 17:11.10 | Cardinal_ | (as you can tell) :D |
| 17:11.23 | Helral | ich spreche etwas mehr deutsch ;p |
| 17:11.34 | Helral | enough to get by in germany ;p |
| 17:12.16 | Helral | as long as those germans speak slowly ;p |
| 17:12.30 | Cardinal_ | hehe |
| 17:12.46 | Cardinal_ | yea, i learnt german for about 8 months... went to hamburg... they were not speaking german. |
| 17:13.11 | Helral | lol they were speaking hamburgerish? |
| 17:14.08 | Cardinal_ | hamburgian i beleive |
| 17:14.22 | Helral | lol |
| 17:14.44 | Helral | so how many hamburgers did you eat there? |
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| 17:15.10 | Helral | hides behind Cardinal_ |
| 17:15.40 | Helral | meows |
| 17:16.59 | Cardinal_ | ha |
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| 17:17.10 | Cardinal_ | none, lots of beer and wurst though :) |
| 17:17.23 | Cardinal_ | went to some crazy heavy metal goth club night... |
| 17:17.29 | Cardinal_ | and met some lovely ladies in the reaperbahn |
| 17:17.29 | Helral | wurst wurst wurst, ganze cradle beer? |
| 17:18.12 | Cardinal_ | reeperbahn* |
| 17:18.46 | Helral | hehehe |
| 17:23.49 | Xaragoth | reaperbahn |
| 17:23.50 | Xaragoth | that's a first |
| 17:23.58 | Helral | hehehe |
| 17:24.08 | Xaragoth | I gotta call Death |
| 17:24.10 | Helral | pulls out his scythe |
| 17:24.13 | Xaragoth | He will totally make that his new thing |
| 17:24.13 | Helral | yes? |
| 17:24.25 | Xaragoth | Souls get free rides into the light |
| 17:24.30 | Helral | lol |
| 17:24.49 | Xaragoth | Marketing Line "If you gotta go, you might as well go with a woooooosh!" |
| 17:24.49 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 17:37.09 | Ashamed | anyone get that new exe virus? |
| 17:37.32 | Helral | uhm... you? |
| 17:37.48 | Ashamed | helral i am a network engineer |
| 17:37.51 | Ashamed | -.- i have clients |
| 17:39.04 | Helral | Ashamed: I'm a System Administrator & Software Engineer, I don't have clients :) |
| 17:39.25 | Cardinal_ | lol viruses are for noobs |
| 17:39.47 | Helral | lol |
| 17:40.07 | Ashamed | this exe virus is pretty mean |
| 17:40.10 | Ashamed | it closes everything |
| 17:40.20 | Helral | shutdown.exe? |
| 17:40.24 | Ashamed | but the funny thing is that it only puts itself in one area lol |
| 17:40.40 | Ashamed | so you delete the file.. not compy protected or anything |
| 17:40.43 | Ashamed | and its done |
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| 17:50.51 | Helral | Xaragoth: would be funny if Death from Discworld had something to do with it ;p |
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| 19:19.27 | Helral | hmmm anyone here I can bug about java awt GUI? ;p |
| 19:36.01 | Helral | nm found it out. |
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| 20:00.25 | pirate_ | yarr |
| 20:00.43 | pirate_ | what's the best way to detect the failure of a validator? |
| 20:01.25 | pirate_ | I've got an aura that periodically searches a growing area in front of the caster that's supposed to cancel itself if it finds a target |
| 20:01.29 | pirate_ | using validators |
| 20:01.42 | pirate_ | but I suspect that something is not working |
| 20:04.03 | Helral | pirate: add another periodic search event that does dmg when the validator fails. ;p and check if the target gets the dmg. |
| 20:04.24 | pirate_ | aight |
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| 20:34.27 | pirate_ | it wasnt the validator, it was my search effect |
| 20:34.33 | pirate_ | but now ive broken my xml |
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| 21:24.09 | RipperRoo | hey guys |
| 21:24.51 | RipperRoo | do u thik one of these fireballs is better ? :S 1. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/17154-data-colliding-projectiles/ and 2. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/25781-diablo-fireball-spell-tutorial/ |
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| 21:58.28 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:14.44 | RipperRoo | wb |
| 22:23.49 | Helral | bleh me be tired ;p |
| 22:25.37 | RipperRoo | :D |
| 22:25.40 | RipperRoo | go sleep then ?:D |
| 22:26.15 | Helral | hehehe |
| 22:27.00 | Helral | I just got a mpq reader in java working that can handle SC2 MPQ files, and also has a write capability which I still need to modify, so it can handle bzip2 encoding. |
| 22:30.23 | RipperRoo | oh yeah.. that ones... ._. |
| 22:30.56 | RipperRoo | i am actually freaking out about which tutorials to use :D those guys really need to write "ok mine is shit... xyz got a better one working now" :D |
| 22:31.08 | Helral | lol |
| 22:31.14 | Helral | what you need a tutorial for atm? |
| 22:31.16 | nicoli_s | Helral:how does it work, does it use sc2s libs or native mpq implementation? |
| 22:31.37 | Helral | nicoli_s: uhm no dll file at all ;p |
| 22:32.20 | Helral | nicoli_s: guess that is called "native"? |
| 22:32.25 | RipperRoo | well i did now the fireball tutorial from onetwo.. but saw the once from küken now.. which might be better but i am not sure..... but there are other tutorials too where i need to know how good and up to date they are.. i made a thread about that on mapster :S |
| 22:32.39 | Helral | yeah read it. |
| 22:32.54 | Helral | got no idea which one is better tbh ;p I never went that far into data editing. |
| 22:33.18 | RipperRoo | :D |
| 22:33.20 | JademusSreg | http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/01/congressriot-610x193.jpg |
| 22:33.41 | Deaod | wtf |
| 22:33.44 | Helral | nicoli_s: I ripped the mpq editor from some bnet bot ;p and added bzip2 support to the mpq reading, now all I need to do is add it to the mpq writing. |
| 22:34.05 | Deaod | helral, whats your goal? |
| 22:34.17 | Helral | localizer for sc2 ;p |
| 22:34.31 | Deaod | localizer? |
| 22:34.36 | Helral | one that can fix problems if you work with different locales (like with teams) |
| 22:34.52 | Helral | you know the param/value problems you sometimes have when working with people who use another locale. |
| 22:35.02 | Deaod | oh, those |
| 22:35.18 | Helral | and it will make manually translating stuff between locales easier. |
| 22:35.50 | Helral | dunno how well it works now, but I do know that the Text Editor is slow..... |
| 22:36.00 | JademusSreg | Here's the topic, in case anyone else is amused by politicians posting on game forums. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1696462 |
| 22:36.12 | RipperRoo | nvm i finished onetwos tutorial today i think i ll do kükens tutorial soon and then ill decide for my self :D... for now im going to bed gn8 guys =) |
| 22:36.45 | Helral | nn Ripper |
| 22:37.04 | Deaod | isnt SOPA intended to only affect foreign sites? |
| 22:37.11 | RipperRoo | gn8 hel :D |
| 22:37.25 | Deaod | and arent most streaming services US based? |
| 22:37.31 | Talila_ | SOPA would affect anywebsite |
| 22:37.36 | Deaod | how |
| 22:38.13 | Talila_ | Posting of copywrite material would be potential to take action against a website owner |
| 22:38.23 | Talila_ | by anyone, even just users of a website |
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| 22:38.42 | Deaod | that doesnt preclude the bill only applying to foreign sites |
| 22:39.20 | Deaod | but maybe im just missing stuff |
| 22:39.22 | Talila_ | If you were to create an awesome SC2 Machinma movie and used a song that you had no rights to use |
| 22:39.31 | Talila_ | Youtube could be sued for having it online |
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| 22:39.41 | Talila_ | if you uploaded it to youtube |
| 22:45.06 | Deaod | okay, i was missing stuff |
| 22:46.11 | Deaod | so the bill is bloated |
| 22:47.29 | Helral | Deaod: current look for the UI: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/StatusLocalizer4.png |
| 22:47.32 | Helral | of my localizer ;p |
| 22:48.08 | Helral | anyways I'm off to bed. nn all |
| 22:48.17 | Deaod | that ones a WIP, right? |
| 22:48.40 | Helral|asleep | yup |
| 22:49.04 | Helral|asleep | gonna get a scrollbar or something alike to scroll through the entire list. |
| 22:49.38 | Helral|asleep | it currently only shows the known locales for that map. so if only 1 locale known it shows only 1 locale. |
| 22:50.04 | pirate_ | Jade you play LoL? |
| 22:50.29 | pirate_ | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/oco15/iama_attorney_for_riot_games_directing_our/ |
| 22:50.30 | JademusSreg | I keep my fingers in a lot of pies. |
| 22:52.43 | pirate_ | Im trying to get a LoL team together :/ |
| 22:53.49 | JademusSreg | I'm not a good candidate. Better to form teams from people you know well. |
| 22:56.01 | pirate_ | don't have enough friends that play competitively |
| 23:03.02 | Deaod | metagame sucks. |
| 23:05.08 | JademusSreg | I prefer the term "metagame bullshit" to describe metagame features explicitly designed to provide advantages in the game. |
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| 23:22.06 | tordy | waddap |
| 23:22.40 | JademusSreg | We were just discussing the intentional misspellings of colloquial expressions. |
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