| 00:00.02 | CryptRat | I'm just going to leave them as default. They're irrelevant to anything I'm doing. |
| 00:00.25 | Helral | then I'm missing the problem you have bout targeting..... |
| 00:00.36 | CryptRat | I want to display an actor. |
| 00:03.13 | Helral | so you have created an item of the type target? |
| 00:03.44 | CryptRat | I have a persistent item of the type Target. |
| 00:03.59 | CryptRat | During the targeting portion of using it, I want a range and aoe splat to appear. |
| 00:04.11 | CryptRat | There are no fields in actor events for doing this for an item. |
| 00:07.14 | Ahli | :S I would like to have bigger banks. Compressing everything with starcode lags. Without compression my banks were to huge, but fast... |
| 00:09.20 | Helral | CryptRat: now I see what you mean..... weird. well you can always create an ability item with a dummy ability linked to it to allow you to use the actor events, or doesn't that work? |
| 00:09.45 | CryptRat | Again, I already mentioned that in the forums, they said it doesn't work very well. |
| 00:10.23 | CryptRat | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/27242-help-item-and-cursor-actors/ |
| 00:11.44 | CryptRat | I may eventually do that, but it's not good enough for now. |
| 00:22.01 | Helral | let's see what my test gives me..... |
| 00:27.18 | Helral | result of test: Not enough energy..... doh |
| 00:28.13 | Helral | hmmm I see, the splat is missing.... |
| 00:30.43 | CryptRat | But do the little targeting circles pop up on units? |
| 00:30.52 | Helral | yup |
| 00:31.03 | CryptRat | Basically as described. |
| 00:33.23 | Helral | stupid, they need to fix that bug ;p |
| 00:33.58 | Helral | they basically need to add item to the actor event list. so that you can trigger actors with item events. |
| 00:34.41 | Cardinal_ | yo |
| 00:35.09 | Cardinal_ | Is there any way to send an actor message through the original actor to that actors 'death model.m3' |
| 00:36.58 | Cardinal_ | As far as I can tell, an actor usually specifies it's Model - ie, the unit that attacks, runs, stands, casts spells and... when it dies, the model is replaced with the relevant death model |
| 00:37.11 | Cardinal_ | There is, however, absolutely no way - that I can find - to reference this 'death model'. |
| 00:37.32 | Ahli | the model you selected in the death events is used |
| 00:37.44 | Ahli | the actor that takes control of it is the selected death actor |
| 00:39.02 | Cardinal_ | So I need to create an new actor using the death model, if I want to run effects on it? |
| 00:39.05 | Cardinal_ | I see, thx :) |
| 00:40.08 | Cardinal_ | What kind of actor type is the 'death actor'? Just GenericUnitBase? |
| 00:46.38 | Cardinal_ | Can't get it to work... |
| 00:46.46 | Cardinal_ | I have Agria Tree_00.m3 as my unit actor |
| 00:46.58 | Ahli | here http://www.staredit.net/319942/ |
| 00:47.22 | Cardinal_ | It's combat death effects 'normal' model, is the Agria Tree Physics Death_00.m3 |
| 00:48.09 | Ahli | the death model needs to be from the model type death model. I don't know what you are doing, but that's required to make it work |
| 00:49.23 | Cardinal_ | Ahh, re-testing now |
| 00:49.38 | Cardinal_ | I want to assign a random rotation, instantly, to the death model |
| 00:49.50 | Cardinal_ | and then set it's relative height to -2 |
| 00:53.07 | Ahli | duplicate the game's default death actor ("UnitDeathModel"), add event changes and set the death actor of every unit that should die with that settings to your new death actor. |
| 00:53.45 | Cardinal_ | I've done this all, no noticeable changes on the death actor |
| 00:53.47 | Cardinal_ | testing agian |
| 00:57.13 | Cardinal_ | nope. |
| 00:57.19 | Cardinal_ | all models are of type Unit Death Model |
| 00:57.27 | Cardinal_ | I have duplicated the UnitDeathModel, renamed it to TreeDeathModel |
| 00:57.48 | Cardinal_ | all unit actors use TreeDeathModel as their death actor model |
| 00:58.06 | Cardinal_ | the death actor model has events which should scale the model to 0 over 10 seconds |
| 00:58.10 | Cardinal_ | nothing happens >.< |
| 00:58.28 | Cardinal_ | *rolls another cigarette, and looks at his to-do list for the map* |
| 00:59.11 | Ahli | if all effects should happen directly at death, you can add the changes to the unit's actor using the UnitDeath event. |
| 00:59.41 | Cardinal_ | lol fixed it |
| 00:59.48 | Cardinal_ | two fields for what death actor the actor uses... |
| 00:59.56 | Cardinal_ | for some reason my editor runs in super low mode :s |
| 01:00.05 | Cardinal_ | the 'unscaled' version was still set to UnitDeathModel |
| 01:00.07 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 01:00.27 | Cardinal_ | Is it possible to set an actors' height over time? |
| 01:01.34 | Ahli | over time stuff will work |
| 01:01.42 | Cardinal_ | through actor events? |
| 01:02.35 | Helral | making progress on my localization fixer ;p |
| 01:03.43 | Helral | will be a useful tool when working with different locales when making a group effort. ;) |
| 01:03.51 | Ahli | "unit death -> set opacity over time" works. that's my knowledge. Using timers to modify opacity with a short delay does not work in the unit's actor |
| 01:04.24 | Ahli | people could just select the correct language before they change anything. that will work, too |
| 01:04.39 | Helral | people aren't that smart ;) |
| 01:05.29 | Ahli | ^^ yeah, then they have to copy the language entries to the other language file. :D |
| 01:05.43 | Helral | exactly, my tool will do that for them ;) |
| 01:06.08 | Helral | including allowing manual changes to the specific data's so that you can easily translate stuff. |
| 01:06.32 | Ahli | so basically you can translate a map with your tool, cool |
| 01:06.53 | Helral | you still need to manually translate. but you don't have to browse everywhere and nowhere to translate. |
| 01:07.46 | Cardinal_ | @Ahli - it's not working :'( I hate actors and actor events more than anything in the world |
| 01:08.14 | Cardinal_ | on the duplicated unitdeathactor - what actor events should I use? It is Actor Creation, right? |
| 01:08.16 | Ahli | helral, maybe you know that: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/28875-trigger-bank-facts/#p3 -> 4 players = 2kb/player bank usable without problems? |
| 01:08.46 | Helral | never used banks ;p |
| 01:08.53 | Ahli | yes, actor creation |
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| 01:11.11 | Helral | time to create the gui for the management of the files ;p |
| 01:12.24 | Ahli | I can't understand why they limit the banks that much. To actually use their battle.net you need a broadband connection. Everything slower lags/freezes/eats CPU to death, if you just connected battle.net or try to download a map. |
| 01:13.02 | Helral | hehehe |
| 01:13.10 | Cardinal_ | Okay, so it's not possible to set the death actors height over time? :/ |
| 01:13.33 | Cardinal_ | ie: easily... I can create a bunch of timers, and reduce the relative height by 0.1 each time a timer expires... |
| 01:14.40 | Cardinal_ | And in any case, my death model is being scaled bigger... no idea why, where, or how. all models share the same random min and max rotations |
| 01:14.50 | Cardinal_ | The opacity to 0 over time works... at least... |
| 01:15.47 | Ahli | for timers, you would need a death actor. for height changes, using a unit instead of an actor might be better then (because height change over time doesn't exist ;S ). |
| 01:16.31 | Cardinal_ | raar... |
| 01:16.55 | Cardinal_ | so replace unit on unit death with another unit, make that unit sink into ground over time... |
| 01:19.25 | Ahli | or you just let the unit die and just change it's stuff with behaviors (unselectable, no collision, ...) and change the height with the behavior itself |
| 01:20.35 | Cardinal_ | Almost have actor method working sufficiently. |
| 01:20.42 | Cardinal_ | Any idea why the model scales bigger on death? |
| 01:20.51 | Ahli | btw, lowering the unit's height with effects and behaviors will only lower it to the unit's base height. so you might need to set the height of every of these units to -2 to actually lower them. (just raise them after creation to the visual level) |
| 01:20.52 | Cardinal_ | I havn't changed anything, and I've double checked everything that might effect scale... |
| 01:21.07 | Ahli | because the scale property isn't inherited? |
| 01:21.45 | Cardinal_ | accepted property types: model scale is ticked |
| 01:24.37 | Cardinal_ | lololol |
| 01:24.39 | Cardinal_ | changed nothing |
| 01:24.43 | Cardinal_ | now it doesn't scale any more... |
| 01:24.46 | Cardinal_ | what the france. |
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| 02:06.27 | Cardinal_ | I really wish NiNToxicated's m3 exporter worked properly for animations... |
| 02:06.48 | Cardinal_ | I could just animate all this stuff i'm trying to do with actor events and update the models... |
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| 05:20.07 | Demo | Hola everyones |
| 05:20.14 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 05:20.30 | Demo | Is anyone available for a test? |
| 05:20.43 | JademusSreg | is quite busy. |
| 05:20.58 | Demo | I see |
| 05:21.04 | Demo | Know anyone with an aids? |
| 05:22.34 | JademusSreg | My goodness, I should hope not. That would be distasterous with my tendency to not ever use protection. |
| 05:25.21 | Demo | Everytime I go to donate plasma |
| 05:25.25 | Demo | they ask if I have aids |
| 05:25.53 | JademusSreg | You should be flattered, I guess? |
| 05:26.12 | Demo | Not really, they also ask if I've slept with any men since 1977. |
| 05:26.24 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 05:26.35 | JademusSreg | "Not that I recall..." |
| 05:27.01 | Demo | Well here's the thing that gets me |
| 05:27.21 | Demo | my fiancee donates and she doesn't have to answer that question, and she's obviously slept with a guy since 1977. |
| 05:27.36 | Demo | So if I slept with her... by association, I've slept with a guy. |
| 05:27.41 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:28.05 | JademusSreg | So is the point of contention one of gender or sexuality? |
| 05:28.22 | Demo | sexuality |
| 05:28.40 | Demo | you are 50x more likely to have aids if you've slept with a man since 1977 as a man. |
| 05:29.04 | Demo | guy on guy action I guess is super common amoungst people with aids. |
| 05:29.17 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:29.54 | Demo | sucker punch, the movie... is confusing me. |
| 05:30.04 | Demo | I shouldn't skip large portions of movies :/ |
| 05:30.47 | JademusSreg | I think you may have it backwards. Promiscuity among gay men was apparently common around that time period, no protection because they couldn't get pregnant, you have a hot vector for transmission. |
| 05:31.18 | JademusSreg | As for Sucker Punch, doesn't seem worth my time. |
| 05:31.43 | Demo | The year has nothing to do with how much sex they were having. |
| 05:32.22 | JademusSreg | It has to do with awareness of the issue and the advent of protection being used within the community. |
| 05:32.24 | Demo | The year was the first known case of aids was found in the early 80s, so it is believed that it was first concieved around 1977 |
| 05:32.33 | JademusSreg | The year is just a line in the sand someone had to draw. |
| 05:32.46 | Demo | that sentence is broken |
| 05:32.50 | Demo | mine soprry |
| 05:32.53 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:33.32 | Demo | Aids was believed to be concieved in 1977, because the first cases were found in the early 1980's |
| 05:33.37 | Demo | the rest of what you said is true |
| 05:34.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 07:36.37 | JademusSreg | http://i.imgur.com/kmYrO.jpg |
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| 14:51.56 | ReY | hi anyone here who knows a bit about animations in sc2map editor? |
| 14:52.22 | ReY | usual animations have a Birth, STand and Death animation sequence |
| 14:52.47 | ReY | i want to use a specific animation "NanoRepairBeamImpact.m3" |
| 14:52.56 | ReY | that one only has a "birth" |
| 14:53.28 | ReY | so it just gets played once on the unit, but i want to loop it |
| 14:53.41 | ReY | anyone has an idea? |
| 14:54.35 | ReY | is it possible to add a "Stand" sequence? OR Is it possible to loop the "Birth" sequence with the actor for the model? |
| 14:58.02 | Ahli | I think you can define, that the animation will be played in a loop, in the actor events |
| 14:58.47 | Ahli | also you could define the stand baseline to use the birth animation |
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| 15:07.08 | Cardinal_ | Anyone know a bit about importing models and using variations thereof? |
| 15:08.26 | Cardinal_ | For example ColonistSupplies.m3 has 10 variations. The actor points to the ColonistSupplies.m3 file. But that 'model' doesn't exist. Only ColonistSupplies_01, _02, _03... _09, _10.m3 exist. |
| 15:12.43 | Ahli | go to raw data mode, write it like you want. Define the variation count in the model. I think that's how it works |
| 15:15.11 | Cardinal_ | One step ahead, that's what I'm trying. |
| 15:16.38 | Cardinal_ | Doesn't work :/ |
| 15:23.19 | Cardinal_ | Yeah, doesn't work. I have it exactly the same as the Dark Templar model/actor/unit hasit |
| 15:28.29 | Cardinal_ | Ahh debug error |
| 15:28.37 | Cardinal_ | the file naming system starts at _00 not _01 |
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| 15:45.31 | Cardinal_ | it works :) http://screencast.com/t/41MQOuM7bN1r |
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| 15:53.40 | Ashamed | so my wives work has provided me with 2 22inch montors now |
| 15:53.49 | Ashamed | becuase they be "broken" |
| 15:55.13 | Cardinal_ | Can I has one? My last samsung 22" stopped working a couple weeks ago... and the warranty ended about three weeks ago >.< |
| 16:02.34 | Cardinal_ | Yay 1 resource completed... 3 more to go |
| 16:02.43 | Cardinal_ | http://screencast.com/t/CLl2WCSZ9lt - logs |
| 16:02.45 | Cardinal_ | http://screencast.com/t/41MQOuM7bN1r - planks |
| 16:02.46 | Cardinal_ | :D |
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| 16:44.20 | Ashamed | cardinal you there |
| 16:44.54 | Ashamed | i was researching samsung monitors and alot of them have a glitch |
| 16:45.01 | Ashamed | that is why they gave me one of the monitors |
| 16:45.06 | Ashamed | i just was able to research it and fix it |
| 16:45.09 | Ashamed | is it blinking alot? |
| 16:45.23 | Ashamed | oh he quit |
| 16:45.25 | Ashamed | nvm >< |
| 16:45.30 | Ashamed | i bet i could of told him how to fix it |
| 16:45.32 | Ashamed | oh well |
| 16:47.25 | Helral|Afk | meow |
| 16:48.15 | Helral|Afk | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/StatusLocalizer.png ;p |
| 16:48.53 | Ashamed | some java scripting? whats that for? |
| 16:49.15 | Helral|Afk | localization |
| 16:51.17 | Helral|Afk | you know those annoying param/value stuff that you get sometimes when working with other people on a map. |
| 16:53.09 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 16:53.35 | Helral|Afk | well this is to fix that. if you see the screenie you have some lines where only 1 column is entered. |
| 16:54.07 | Helral|Afk | the other locales will give param/value errors for that column. |
| 16:54.10 | Helral|Afk | row* |
| 16:56.01 | Helral|Afk | gonna automatically fill the empty area's with the known data from the other locales. |
| 16:57.11 | Helral|Afk | also gonna apply filtering to this list depending on editor or ingame values. |
| 16:57.27 | Helral|Afk | since the list now shown is a random set of all. |
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| 17:23.03 | CryptRat | I'm having a little bit of trouble getting this unit model to stop moving. |
| 17:23.21 | CryptRat | I removed the stand animation after unit creation finishes, but that doesn't seem to be working. |
| 17:24.41 | CryptRat | Is it Fidgit that I need to mess with? |
| 17:30.50 | Helral|Afk | hmmm? to get him to stop moving? |
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| 17:40.20 | ShlugSalt | hi gus |
| 17:40.24 | ShlugSalt | guys* |
| 17:40.48 | CryptRat | Yeah, I want to use the UtilityBot model for an item, but it doesn't make sense for the item to just look around every few seconds. >_> |
| 17:41.09 | ShlugSalt | i dont suppose anyone in here is familiar with 3ds max |
| 17:43.14 | ShlugSalt | cryptRat so .. i missed somthing i think what are you trying to do? |
| 17:43.39 | CryptRat | Stop model animtation entirely. |
| 17:43.51 | CryptRat | For a single unit model |
| 17:43.56 | ShlugSalt | ahh and its called utilityBot? |
| 17:44.09 | ShlugSalt | do you know what mpq its in? |
| 17:44.13 | CryptRat | That's the model I'm using, yes |
| 17:44.20 | CryptRat | I don't know |
| 17:44.29 | ShlugSalt | let me have a quick look |
| 17:44.31 | ShlugSalt | brb |
| 17:44.37 | CryptRat | I wouldn't need to modify the data that deep would I? Couldn't I just modify the actor? |
| 17:45.40 | ShlugSalt | no i think the bone structure is a permanent fixture |
| 17:45.51 | ShlugSalt | but i did find the file |
| 17:46.03 | ShlugSalt | i could try to remove the bones from it |
| 17:46.20 | ShlugSalt | but im currently haveing my own issues with 3ds max |
| 17:46.46 | ShlugSalt | although removing bones would be easy i think..... |
| 17:47.12 | ShlugSalt | gimme about 10 minutes ill see if i can:) |
| 17:47.59 | ShlugSalt | oh and as far as modifying the actor .. i dont know very much about the editor so maybe you can but i wouldnt know:( |
| 17:48.04 | CryptRat | It's not a big deal. |
| 17:48.11 | CryptRat | It's not like the item can be dropped anyhow. |
| 17:48.33 | CryptRat | Just wondering if it were possible. |
| 17:48.35 | ShlugSalt | i like trying new things with graphics , currently all im working on:) |
| 17:48.50 | ShlugSalt | brb |
| 17:53.51 | ShlugSalt | tada:) |
| 17:53.56 | ShlugSalt | i think i did it |
| 17:54.28 | ShlugSalt | when i imported the graphic it gave me the option to import it without the bones |
| 17:54.46 | ShlugSalt | so then all i had to do was export it :) |
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| 18:15.51 | ShlugSalt | tada i got it :) |
| 18:17.11 | ShlugSalt | animation removed and it still looks great |
| 18:20.12 | ShlugSalt | Does anyone use 3ds max? i have a few questions? |
| 18:20.42 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 18:20.48 | ShlugSalt | Hi Jademus |
| 18:21.10 | JademusSreg | If I were a modeler, I'd be able to help. =D |
| 18:21.15 | ShlugSalt | tons of failures yesterday , but i learned so much i think i almost have it:) |
| 18:21.32 | ShlugSalt | yeah :)me to lol |
| 18:22.11 | Xaragoth | what's your problem? |
| 18:26.11 | ShlugSalt | oh hi sorry was ready tutorials |
| 18:27.02 | ShlugSalt | i im having .. baking issues? maybe i dont really know very much but i have been replacing dds texture files in 3ds max |
| 18:27.26 | ShlugSalt | and when i export my models they are pink.. lol |
| 18:27.38 | ShlugSalt | and kinda see through |
| 18:27.55 | ShlugSalt | it may be that im not rendering? |
| 18:28.10 | Helral|Afk | JademusSreg: go back to sleep ;p |
| 18:28.22 | ShlugSalt | im reading up and rendering now and emissive :) |
| 18:28.29 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:29.03 | Helral | btw JademusSreg, I have started working on a new project ;p |
| 18:29.29 | Ashamed | guys |
| 18:29.41 | Ashamed | i had a customer that actually installed their own pci |
| 18:29.45 | Ashamed | i am very impressed |
| 18:29.48 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 18:29.59 | JademusSreg | Is this project a map, a game, or a utility? |
| 18:30.06 | Helral | utility |
| 18:30.25 | Helral | localization assistant ;p for when working with multiple localizations of the editor. |
| 18:30.32 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 18:30.40 | Helral | to easily fix those annoying param/value errors ;) |
| 18:31.33 | JademusSreg | I use the localizer tool on my map, then I give it to Mexa when I need it published in the EU. I take it the localizer tool doesn't help your situation? |
| 18:31.50 | Helral | localizer only works on clean projects. |
| 18:32.14 | JademusSreg | And your project has been a dirty, dirty project. |
| 18:32.18 | Helral | if you already have data in enGB and data in enUS which needs to be combined then localizer is not usefull. |
| 18:32.23 | JademusSreg | Time to get it in the shower and lather it up. |
| 18:32.39 | Helral | I am constructing the shower to clean it with ;) |
| 18:32.42 | JademusSreg | Oooh yeeeah. |
| 18:33.00 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:34.49 | Helral | hmmmmm |
| 18:35.14 | Helral | and here I was hoping that usnig a GridBagLayout would make it easier :S |
| 18:37.30 | JademusSreg | Well, I'm assuming translation isn't a feature, so it should be a simple thing. Unless you want your utility to integrate with the editor, then it needs to access the memory; that can be messy. How were you imagining the user would implement this utility? |
| 18:40.50 | Helral | start utility, choose map to fix, save map when done changing localization |
| 18:41.20 | Helral | my utility handles reading the SC2Map file and writing the changes back to it. |
| 18:46.20 | JademusSreg | What map sharing method do you use? |
| 18:48.13 | Helral | Seen people post problem about map sharing and localization ;p I myself don t have it though ;p |
| 18:48.33 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:48.39 | Helral | but I do use the localization tool sometimes, and well, if I forget to use a clean map then it fails to work. |
| 18:49.22 | Helral | like in: localize map, ow wait I forgot to add this output text for the players, adds text. saves and uploads. |
| 18:49.34 | Helral | other players get param/value while I do not :( |
| 18:49.45 | Helral | hate that ;p |
| 18:50.02 | JademusSreg | Haha. Ah. |
| 18:50.08 | Helral | make that saves map, reruns localization tool, uploads. |
| 18:50.27 | Helral | but since I already localized it before, it doesn't localize it correctly :( |
| 18:50.32 | JademusSreg | I maintain two separate maps. Source and localized for all regions. |
| 18:51.08 | JademusSreg | When I update source, I overwrite the localization map then use the localization tool. |
| 18:51.08 | Helral | yeah, but some teams have a german editor and enGB editor and enUS editor.... and they need to stick to 1 locale to work correctly together.... |
| 18:51.17 | JademusSreg | But I can now see the very crux of the problem. |
| 18:51.26 | Helral | :) |
| 18:52.42 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a failure of the localization tool to recognizes changes and write them to the other locales. |
| 18:52.45 | Helral | JademusSreg: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/StatusLocalizer2.png current UI look with a map open. gonna add scroll buttons still |
| 18:53.10 | JademusSreg | Java, for cross platform, I see. |
| 18:53.14 | Helral | you can input translations in my localizer if you want. it will save them :) |
| 18:53.43 | JademusSreg | Pretty sweet. |
| 18:54.09 | Helral | demo version, only shows the first 30 values *grins* |
| 18:54.23 | JademusSreg | Haha. Sinister. |
| 18:54.55 | Helral | would be funny to see how people would react if they only get the first 30 values of each filegroup. |
| 18:55.12 | Helral | problem is adding the scrolling bit to it. |
| 18:55.35 | Helral | if I would load all the locales used by my map, it crashes. |
| 18:55.41 | JademusSreg | I don't have much experience with Java, so I can't hazard a guess. |
| 18:55.47 | Helral | it needs to draw too many TextFields ;p |
| 18:56.00 | Helral | limited it to 30 and gonna add paging. |
| 18:56.20 | Helral | also gonna add alphabetic sorting at some point, if people are actually using it. |
| 18:56.46 | JademusSreg | I would, haha. |
| 18:57.04 | JademusSreg | Which files are you loading? GameStrings and that other one I forget? |
| 18:58.38 | Helral | all 3 atm |
| 19:00.26 | JademusSreg | Why were yuou using TeamViewer in that screenshot? =D |
| 19:02.40 | Helral | cause I m sitting behind my laptop, and got my programming stuff on my main pc. |
| 19:02.51 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 19:02.53 | Helral | it has the tv as monitor but I m watching tv ;p |
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| 19:20.12 | pirate | Hello again fair modders |
| 19:22.03 | pirate | Im back again to promote the subreddit |
| 19:22.15 | pirate | It's going better this time |
| 19:23.08 | pirate | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/oawup/look_look_at_all_of_the_custom_maps_we_have_made/ |
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| 19:35.54 | Batomys | Anyone know how to use the 'Age Reached' event? I can't seem to find the place to plug in the age value |
| 19:36.41 | Batomys | Having some issues with a beam persisting if two units use the same ability on the same target at the same time. Just want to put in a failsafe to kill the beam after 1 sec |
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| 20:14.15 | RipperRoo | yeay lets see how long it will take for an answere xD |
| 20:14.22 | Helral | meow |
| 20:15.10 | RipperRoo | ok not here :D i meant in the forums ^^ btw still 1000 times thank your for finding my error in the diablo movement helral :D |
| 20:15.30 | Helral | hehehe np |
| 20:17.14 | Helral | if tutorials are not correct anymore just post it in the thread, or perhaps you missed some setting ;p |
| 20:18.48 | RipperRoo | yeah but the curious thing was that i had the exact two problems :D .. could not attack and no spell^^ so my first thought was there is something wrong^^ |
| 20:22.40 | Helral | yup, but it were 2 mistakes ;) |
| 20:23.11 | RipperRoo | yeah even 2 silly ones :D |
| 20:23.41 | Helral | :) |
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| 20:31.38 | RipperRoo | if someone has no life and knows all tutorials on sc2 editor :D plz help on this: |
| 20:31.39 | RipperRoo | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/30681-outdated-tutorials-question-which-i-should-i-use/#p1 |
| 20:37.34 | Batomys | Anyone know how to make an ability not be able to be cast by two units on another unit at the same time? |
| 20:37.48 | Batomys | having issues with the beam staying around forever if two units cast the ability at the same time |
| 20:37.53 | Batomys | (on the same target) |
| 20:38.03 | JademusSreg | Validators, I suppose. |
| 20:38.22 | JademusSreg | The medic heal beam, for instance, doesn't stack, you may note. |
| 20:38.45 | JademusSreg | Oh wait, this is a visual issue or what? |
| 20:40.28 | JademusSreg | Breaking multiinstancability to solve a visual bug is bad; you ought to solve the data/trigger bug causing the visual bug in the first place. The visual bug is symptomatic of bad data or bad triggering. |
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| 20:51.52 | RipperRoo | can someone say this in other words plz "Altough he is long winded" i dont understand this xD |
| 20:52.32 | Ahli | for you: http://www.dict.cc/?s=long+winded |
| 20:52.46 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:57.45 | RipperRoo | hehe i looked it up on leo dictionary but they dont have it listed :S |
| 20:58.07 | Ahli | If Blizzard would use ZIP or MPQs for bank file transfers during loading screen, they could raise the bank file size by a huge amount. It's a shame that it's at 8kb/player only. It will only cost loading time... :S Can I get someone from NA to support that idea and post that idea in the custom map forum hoping that Blizzard developers might read it. :S it's just a shameful limitation regarding the arcades... |
| 20:58.10 | RipperRoo | thanks ahli, but i still hate u for deleting my hero in your map .. i hope u know that |
| 20:59.31 | Ahli | actually the bank's multiplayer limitation let to its destruction. so basically it's your fault playing my map with other persons. |
| 21:00.35 | Helral | lol |
| 21:00.56 | Ahli | I will disable saving in multiplayer because of that in future untill banks become more powerful. |
| 21:01.02 | JademusSreg | http://i.imgur.com/kmYrO.jpg |
| 21:01.54 | Ahli | In theory I would need 200kb/player right now to guarantee that banks aren't overwritten at map start. |
| 21:02.11 | JademusSreg | Is that with compression? |
| 21:02.13 | Helral | O.o |
| 21:03.32 | Ahli | compression creates lags, so it's not really useable for action rpgs. With compression I would be need like 55kb right now. |
| 21:03.33 | RipperRoo | lol ahli "it's your fault playing my map with other persons" tzzz :D your map will never be shown on our stream again^^ |
| 21:03.41 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:03.54 | JademusSreg | In what way does compression create lag? |
| 21:05.06 | Ahli | massive FPS drop during saving. Even if I spread it to save my data junks one by one split by waits. |
| 21:05.38 | JademusSreg | I am skeptical. |
| 21:06.30 | JademusSreg | Even the crudest forms of compression would save non-trivial amounts of space. |
| 21:07.31 | JademusSreg | Compress it all into a string. You decompress and load the information on map start, compress it on map end. |
| 21:07.44 | JademusSreg | What sort of information are you saving that could be so massive? |
| 21:08.22 | Ahli | items with many information. For example diablo 2's ones. |
| 21:08.47 | JademusSreg | Sounds easy enough. |
| 21:09.07 | Batomys | (from 12:40) It's a visual problem Jademus, I guess I have some bad data somewhere |
| 21:09.08 | Ahli | or is starcode that inefficient? |
| 21:09.26 | JademusSreg | Dunno, never used starcode. |
| 21:09.47 | Batomys | The ability should only last about 1.5 seconds maximum, is it possible to just toss in an "age reached" event and destroy it after 2 secs as a failsafe? |
| 21:10.12 | JademusSreg | I tend to write all scripts I need, so I'm not familiar with the other stuff that people make. |
| 21:11.59 | JademusSreg | Batomys, I would imagine there is an example somewhere in the data of what you're trying to do. I don't know the details, but my approach to doing new shit is to think of something most similar in the standard data and study that. |
| 21:12.31 | JademusSreg | If I wanted to make a beam ability, the first thing I'd look at is a beam ability or weapon, especially its actors. |
| 21:35.07 | Ahli | I just calculated the amount of values I would need to store in worst case scenario with 5 heroes atm: 12321. That are 5 heroes + stash filled with rare 1x1 items. |
| 21:40.35 | JademusSreg | Assuming those are all ints, thats 394272 bits. However, that doesn't account for the space taken by xml text, which would increase the size by a large factor. |
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| 21:43.02 | Cardinal_ | yo |
| 21:43.30 | Ahli | atm my uncompressed saving works on the fly without noticeable lags or big fps decreases (complete hero is saved + stash, if it was modified). |
| 21:45.40 | Ahli | so if something crashes, disconnects, etc you will lose max a few seconds. |
| 21:45.48 | Cardinal_ | Cool :) |
| 21:46.47 | Ahli | that's the current situation, cardinal. Sadly it isn't supported in multiplayer bank limitations which are at 8kb/player. Works alone like a charm. |
| 21:46.49 | JademusSreg | The crudest method of compression I can imagine would have each value represented by 1 char in a string. It would amount to some very big strings, haha. |
| 21:50.00 | Ahli | if Blizzard would just abolish their 8kb limit and raise it to 1 or 2mb as uncompressed bank file limit, that would be cool. The uploads can be improved with ZIP or MPQ compression which will only add loading time. |
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| 21:50.29 | ShlugSalt | hi guys |
| 21:50.37 | JademusSreg | Hi Shlug. |
| 21:50.57 | ShlugSalt | have you ever had any luck with texures by id? |
| 21:51.08 | Ahli | luck? |
| 21:51.43 | JademusSreg | A little, but if you can properly make the model's material reference the texture it needs, you wouldn't need that terrible workaround. |
| 21:51.55 | ShlugSalt | yeah i have tryed several times and had an import work one time but im not sure what i did different.. sigh |
| 21:52.04 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 21:53.12 | ShlugSalt | so many tutorials and they are wrong .. because they say to replace files in mpq witch works great but only for viewing.. they dont uplaod to maps because there not linked |
| 21:53.57 | ShlugSalt | i read that if you import to correct path that you cant actually see alterd graphic intill you enter the game ?? is this true |
| 21:54.37 | ShlugSalt | i think ill go check :)brb |
| 22:00.09 | ShlugSalt | oh wow LOL ive been doing it right this whole time and i didnt even know it |
| 22:00.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:00.59 | ShlugSalt | ok so yeah if you just replace the dds to the right file path they do not show up till you test the map:) |
| 22:01.34 | ShlugSalt | they look wonderful:) and i think i have fixed my alpha channel to so team colors will show:) |
| 22:02.04 | ShlugSalt | ok thanks guys:) talk to you guys later |
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| 22:18.02 | Demo | Anyone is avilable test (US) |
| 22:18.03 | Demo | ? |
| 22:28.15 | Cardinal_ | @Shlug - All models need their .m3 file to have the SC2Material along with all relevant slots (diffuse, normal, specular, emissive etc) correctly referencing SC2Bitmap files for use as the texture in game. |
| 22:28.26 | Cardinal_ | I am not sure which patch change has recently made this be the case. |
| 22:28.53 | Cardinal_ | But it is, with 99% certainty, impossible to have a texture appear on any model that does not have an sc2material applied to it before hand (ie: before importing into a sc2map) |
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