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| 02:56.26 | tampa1adam | ne1 here? |
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| 03:31.43 | ________________ | what's more efficient, Switches or If Then Statements? (the Else is removed completely) |
| 03:31.45 | ________________ | ? |
| 03:34.09 | A1win | they are probably executed in the exact same way in the processor |
| 03:34.19 | ________________ | wooo awesome |
| 03:34.33 | A1win | and either way that is meaningless, because the difference would be so minimal |
| 03:34.54 | ________________ | i was looking back at some old triggers and they are If Then's & I was thinking I could change them to Switches if need be |
| 03:35.00 | ________________ | so ty for that |
| 03:35.27 | A1win | you should be more concerned about clarity of your code than efficiency about such small things |
| 03:35.43 | A1win | when it comes to large loops and recursions and such, then start wondering about efficiency |
| 03:35.44 | ________________ | oh the way I have it now is easily read |
| 03:35.51 | ________________ | ic ic |
| 03:36.14 | A1win | ...or unit spawning, that seems to be one of the heaviest operations in sc2 |
| 03:36.50 | ________________ | Well it is a spawning system, but changing from if then to switch wouldnt affect the spawn system |
| 03:37.05 | A1win | yeah just saying in general |
| 03:37.09 | ________________ | o mmk |
| 03:37.43 | A1win | I'm not talking about the logic behind a spawn system, but the actual "create unit" function, it takes a lot of time |
| 03:37.56 | ________________ | yea I getchu |
| 03:38.05 | A1win | the game starts to have performance issues when spawning a hundred or so units at the same time |
| 03:38.16 | ________________ | understandably ofc |
| 03:38.53 | ________________ | i have a debug system that I use to create units @ will and i started playing with it, spawning like 300 zerglings @ once or w/e |
| 03:39.03 | ________________ | fun, but laagy |
| 03:39.14 | A1win | would be nice if there was a game object that was like unit but cheaper... like only having an actor and collision, no movement or stats or anything |
| 03:39.44 | ________________ | why? |
| 03:40.08 | ________________ | & that's just like a doodad with a footprint |
| 03:40.09 | A1win | to use units as walls and such |
| 03:40.19 | A1win | yeah but doodads aren't properly dynamic |
| 03:40.23 | ________________ | true true |
| 03:40.40 | A1win | well, they could just improve doodads a bit |
| 03:40.48 | ________________ | would be nice |
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| 03:57.49 | Mexa | @Switches vs if else, they're compiled into the same thing |
| 03:58.10 | Mexa | Switches are if elses when spit out to galaxy form |
| 03:58.39 | Mexa | The only thing which would differ I would say, is that they might not be spit out the same way |
| 04:05.43 | ________________ | oic |
| 04:09.53 | Mexa | But like A1win is saying, the difference is minimal, unless ofcourse the editor generates mumbojumbo out of it, like it did with the for loop a while back |
| 04:10.02 | Mexa | (which has since then been patched) |
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| 04:10.16 | ________________ | o i didnt know for's were fixed |
| 04:10.24 | ________________ | i always just treated them as trash |
| 04:10.29 | Mexa | :P |
| 04:10.32 | A1win | <.< |
| 04:10.48 | Mexa | And now, there also exists for statements in galaxy to |
| 04:10.50 | Mexa | *too |
| 04:11.01 | Mexa | So, they handle it internally now as well. |
| 04:11.25 | Mexa | I don't remember whether the editor compiles for loops into while loops still, tho. |
| 04:11.40 | ________________ | lol |
| 04:11.43 | ________________ | thatd b pointless |
| 04:12.03 | Mexa | Well, it's still useful for galaxy programmers like me:P |
| 04:12.04 | A1win | does it matter ;p |
| 04:12.29 | A1win | it's just for readability anyway |
| 04:12.38 | ________________ | ^ |
| 04:12.39 | Mexa | Somewhat |
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| 16:16.53 | Fenix | what is the difference between a Trigger and an Action Definition? I mean, why don't we just use a trigger without any condition or w/e, just actions and when we need it we call it via Run Trigger? |
| 16:17.21 | Fenix | it would work as well? |
| 16:20.00 | Fenix | hello anyone? |
| 16:24.11 | Fenix | eh oh! |
| 16:26.38 | A1win | triggers always create a new thread |
| 16:26.43 | A1win | and they can't accept parameters |
| 16:27.12 | A1win | you should always use action definitions when possible |
| 16:28.07 | Fenix | um, what are thread, i know when you have alot it's not good. But what are they xD |
| 16:28.08 | A1win | I only use triggers when I need to catch an event, or maybe if I need a way to abruptly stop a thread (though I guess that could somehow be done with galaxy script for any thread..?) |
| 16:29.26 | Fenix | what are threads |
| 16:31.01 | A1win | not sure how to explain it quickly so I'll just do the easy way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(computer_science) |
| 16:31.44 | A1win | they are like "simultaneously" running pieces of code |
| 16:33.28 | A1win | so if you have let's say a trigger that has "Wait 10 seconds, send message 'aaaaa'" and trigger "Wait 10 seconds, send message 'bbbbb'" and you start them at the same time, after 10 seconds, both 'aaaaa' and 'bbbbb' are sent, but if those were action definitions which didn't create new threads, it'd first wait 10 seconds, then send 'aaaaa', then wait another 10 seconds, then send 'bbbbb' |
| 16:34.36 | Fenix | the more threads you use at the same time the more it uses the processor the more it lags, right? |
| 16:34.54 | A1win | creating and maintaining the thread will also need extra cpu time, so not creating a thread is less performance intensive |
| 16:35.14 | A1win | yeah... but it's not a huge issue unless you'd be creating a lot of threads |
| 16:35.24 | A1win | like hundreds or thousands or something... maybe more |
| 16:35.35 | Fenix | still, sooner you do it right, the best it will be :P |
| 16:35.43 | A1win | dunno actually how many threads the script engine supports |
| 16:36.36 | Fenix | i made a map where many trigger had Perdiodic Event and it lagged as hell, so this was a mistakes. I made one which run all the trigger I wanted to repeat. Worked well. xD |
| 16:36.40 | A1win | you can also create threads with action definitions if you need to, so they'll just do everything better than a separately executed trigger would |
| 16:37.41 | Fenix | why creating a thread for an action definition since it does nothing until you call it? xD |
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| 16:38.02 | Cardinal_ | actor helps |
| 16:38.04 | A1win | if you call multiple actions in a row, it will start them all at the same time |
| 16:38.07 | A1win | if they create threads |
| 16:38.21 | Cardinal_ | Agria Tree model in the previewer has a separate model called Agria Tree Physics Death - with it chopped in half |
| 16:38.44 | Cardinal_ | I can't seem to find any associated animations with the model itself being 'chopped down' |
| 16:38.48 | A1win | if the action creates a thread and you call it, the action runs in the new thread, and the action chain where you called it skips to the next row instead of waiting for the called action to finish |
| 16:39.10 | Cardinal_ | Is the best transition I can get for a tree being chopped down, to do a UnitDeath>ModelSwap on it? |
| 16:40.45 | Fenix | so, if I want to create a Dialog, I should not use a Trigger to create all the Dialogs and Dialog items. I should make all these actions into an Action Definition and when need just call the action definition? |
| 16:41.01 | A1win | yup ;p |
| 16:41.32 | Fenix | what is the best way to make a trigger repeat every x time? |
| 16:41.39 | Fenix | like a periodic event |
| 16:41.53 | A1win | I usually just do Repeat forever { do something; wait x } |
| 16:42.22 | Fenix | why is perdiodic event laggy if you make many? xD |
| 16:42.24 | A1win | and if you want it to stop, just call the Break action |
| 16:42.37 | A1win | I guess because it needs to handle so many events |
| 16:42.51 | A1win | use as few events as possible |
| 16:43.50 | A1win | damn my pizza has way too much salt in it x__x |
| 16:44.18 | A1win | must be the blue cheese |
| 16:44.43 | Fenix | if I have like 100 triggers with an event, does Starcraft always "scan" all the event? So more you have event more it lags? |
| 16:44.53 | Fenix | lol@your pizza |
| 16:45.38 | A1win | I dunno exactly how the event manager works, but I think it also sends something over the network for the events |
| 16:46.32 | A1win | but yeah, every event you have will have a negative impact on performance |
| 16:48.35 | Fenix | does empty trigger have impacts on performance? xD Having thousands of empty trigger, will it slow the game? XD |
| 16:49.25 | A1win | nothing that doesn't get executed slows down your game ;p |
| 16:49.38 | Fenix | mh k |
| 16:49.47 | Cardinal_ | okay... so the agria tree physics death.m3 appears in the previewer |
| 16:49.54 | Cardinal_ | but isn't in the models catalogue for any of the dependencies |
| 16:49.58 | A1win | even if you had hundreds of actions in those triggers but no event or anything to call them, it just wouldn't do anything... except take a tiny amount of memory |
| 16:50.15 | Fenix | kk |
| 16:50.43 | A1win | Cardinal_, you can create new Model entries in the data editor and choose model files for them |
| 16:51.42 | Cardinal_ | Thanks. Found it however, KorhalTree and AgriaTree's share a lot of their assets and are seemingly named randomly |
| 16:51.47 | Fenix | how would you create a Countdown timer? |
| 16:51.48 | Cardinal_ | Also, A1win, how do you message like that? |
| 16:52.05 | A1win | like what? |
| 16:52.49 | A1win | if the message was different on the row I mentioned your name, it's just your client highlighting it, nothing to do with me |
| 16:53.00 | Fenix | for a countdown timer, would you use repeat forever with a set variable int: -1 and do wait, 1 sec ? |
| 16:53.17 | A1win | depends... you could just use a Timer too |
| 16:54.08 | Fenix | Timer Window? |
| 16:54.17 | Cardinal_ | When you typed Cardinal_, your name appeared in 'red' |
| 16:54.31 | A1win | no, a Timer type variable |
| 16:54.33 | Cardinal_ | whereas every other message typed here so far is in black (using default freenode) |
| 16:54.39 | A1win | yeah... it's your client |
| 16:54.49 | Cardinal_ | A1win, test |
| 16:54.52 | Cardinal_ | odd |
| 16:54.53 | Cardinal_ | :) |
| 16:54.54 | A1win | a webchat maybe? |
| 16:54.58 | Fenix | um never used that a Timer variable. xD |
| 16:55.03 | A1win | there is no "default" irc client |
| 16:55.15 | Cardinal_ | yea, I used to use mIRC but it's shareware now or some other shit |
| 16:55.29 | Fenix | what it does a Timer type variable? |
| 16:55.34 | A1win | Fenix, if you do use it, you need to maintain the thread you create it in or it just disappears... or you could just create it as a global variable so it never disappears |
| 16:55.34 | Cardinal_ | I just have this url bookmarked, makes it easy to access through my browser which is always open pretty much |
| 16:56.04 | A1win | Fenix, there are actions to stop, pause, start, restart etc. timers |
| 16:56.14 | A1win | you just need a variable to use those on first |
| 16:56.29 | Cardinal_ | Is it possible to somehow reference an actors 'model variation' within it's events or where you choose it's death animation? AgriaTree model has 8 variations... and so, there are 8 separate death animations |
| 16:56.49 | A1win | no idea :[ |
| 16:58.48 | Fenix | to show the timer value, you first need a timer window? Where you create the timer window for the Timer. but is it like a dialog? Can you move it, change color, background etc? |
| 16:59.45 | A1win | the default timer window is crap, I'd just use a custom dialog |
| 17:00.17 | A1win | although you'll need to keep the value updated manually then |
| 17:00.22 | Fenix | can you use a labbel dialog with the text from the Timer? |
| 17:00.46 | A1win | sure ;p convert real to text, remaining time of a timer |
| 17:00.55 | A1win | but umm |
| 17:01.13 | Fenix | but if i do that, i need to refresh the dialog everytimes the time change? |
| 17:01.29 | A1win | if you want it to display accurately, it might be better to use the repeat forever; timer--; wait 1 method you mentioned |
| 17:01.34 | A1win | yeah |
| 17:01.49 | Fenix | that's what i though |
| 17:01.59 | A1win | or you can just do repeat forever; update timer dialog; wait 0 :P |
| 17:02.16 | A1win | (which waits for 0.0625 seconds, which is perfectly fine for such a small task) |
| 17:02.56 | Fenix | but then you run starcraft in test mode with the window to see every trigger that execute and this one spam as hell xD |
| 17:03.23 | A1win | it won't spam anything to the debugger |
| 17:03.40 | Fenix | ah? |
| 17:03.42 | A1win | repeat forever is just one action, it doesn't cause a trigger to run multiple times |
| 17:04.04 | A1win | another reason why to use that instead of a periodic trigger ;p |
| 17:04.17 | Fenix | okk |
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| 17:04.51 | Fenix | so anything that need to be refresh i could just add it in a repeat forever loop? |
| 17:05.19 | A1win | yeah... though it's not recommended if you can do it in a better way :x |
| 17:05.33 | Eimtr | hi, can any1 tell me are the League icons anywhere to browse or if not, which asset files contains them? Thx |
| 17:06.00 | A1win | well actually it's probably the best way in most cases |
| 17:06.03 | Fenix | what would be a better way? |
| 17:06.07 | Fenix | haha |
| 17:06.26 | A1win | for example if you need to display a unit's health, it's better to just update it every script engine tick than use a "unit health changes" event |
| 17:07.01 | Fenix | that would be with repeat forever |
| 17:07.14 | Fenix | but what would be better than repeat forever? |
| 17:08.02 | A1win | well for example if the only time the value x updates is when you update it using some trigger action, then you can just refresh the UI at the same time |
| 17:08.54 | Fenix | ya, anything that just need to be refresh once or twice... things like that |
| 17:09.00 | A1win | constantly refreshing should only be used for things that you can't exactly know (within the script engine) when it has updated |
| 17:10.44 | Fenix | i just wonder, what it the delay from "home to battle.net -> battle.net to home" xD |
| 17:10.51 | Fenix | i know there is minimum one |
| 17:10.56 | A1win | 250 ms both ways |
| 17:11.06 | A1win | so 500 ms total ;p |
| 17:11.13 | Fenix | so you got half a sec delay |
| 17:11.17 | A1win | mm |
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| 17:12.15 | A1win | but that's for events, if it's something that is just executed in a script, I think the delay is shorter because it just needs to be synced with others afterwards |
| 17:12.20 | A1win | not exactly sure how that works though |
| 17:12.28 | A1win | maybe it's just the 250 ms then |
| 17:13.02 | A1win | it certainly doesn't feel like half a second |
| 17:13.08 | Fenix | haha |
| 17:13.13 | Fenix | ya less than that |
| 17:13.15 | Helral | meow |
| 17:13.16 | Fenix | but still.. |
| 17:13.29 | Fenix | you can hardly feel it when you play Jademus's Photon Cycle game |
| 17:14.43 | Fenix | why Blizzard doesn't lower this minimum delay? |
| 17:15.00 | Helral | what minimum delay? |
| 17:15.06 | Fenix | b.net |
| 17:15.36 | Helral | so I repeat: what minimum delay? |
| 17:16.10 | Helral | you talking bout the latency or ? |
| 17:16.12 | Fenix | when you play, there is a default delay with battle.net, like ΒΌ of a sec. |
| 17:16.16 | Fenix | ya |
| 17:16.18 | Fenix | i think. |
| 17:16.19 | Fenix | xD |
| 17:16.38 | Helral | latency depends on your and your opponents connection. |
| 17:16.50 | Fenix | and on battle.net servers |
| 17:18.19 | Helral | delay on bnet should be low. |
| 17:19.14 | Fenix | is it like, if you order a unit to move, the time of response before he moves is the latency. So when you hardly lag and you order your unit to move and it takes 3-4 sec to move, it means there is a huge latency? |
| 17:21.23 | Helral | yup |
| 17:22.16 | Fenix | but those who doesn't lag can do many actions during the time you slow the game. So those doesn't have latency, they are just waiting you... |
| 17:22.57 | Fenix | going eat, brb in some min. |
| 17:23.18 | Helral | ah well, I'll be working on a tool again. |
| 17:24.18 | A1win | Fenix, it doesn't work like that... if someone has too high latency, the game will pause and show the "waiting for players" dialog |
| 17:24.52 | A1win | the minimum latency quarantees that the latency is always the same for everyone |
| 17:25.02 | A1win | *guarantees |
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| 17:45.15 | tordy | wassup dudes |
| 17:45.17 | tordy | waddap |
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| 17:45.44 | ShlugSalt | hi guys |
| 17:46.10 | Kueken | what a warm welcome, thank you :) |
| 17:46.12 | Kueken | hi |
| 17:46.17 | ShlugSalt | has anyone ever had an issue with not having a mods folder in there main sc2 folder? |
| 17:46.52 | Kueken | no |
| 17:47.02 | Vailreth | applicatuion or documents folder? |
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| 17:47.08 | Kueken | there are multiple locations for the Mods folders, though |
| 17:47.15 | ShlugSalt | im trying to help a friend do some graphics work but... he has no mods folder...? but his game works so .. he has the files some where |
| 17:47.20 | Kueken | what he said ;) |
| 17:47.38 | ShlugSalt | application folder |
| 17:47.42 | Kueken | is he on a mac or something? |
| 17:47.46 | ShlugSalt | windows 7 |
| 17:47.53 | Kueken | no idea |
| 17:48.03 | Kueken | tried a reinstall? |
| 17:48.24 | Kueken | maybe the folder from documents is used by the game so it works |
| 17:48.42 | Kueken | but it misses the application one, which is used elsewhere |
| 17:48.58 | Kueken | like when you start a map with the launcher directly |
| 17:49.09 | ShlugSalt | hmm ill check there :) |
| 17:49.22 | Clord | my TCG map still generates youtube videos by other players.. latest one is with rap music |
| 17:49.23 | Clord | >_> |
| 17:49.32 | Clord | rap is not music dammit XD |
| 17:49.42 | Kueken | sue them ;) |
| 17:50.01 | Clord | hehe.. my map rights are owned by blizzard... but yeah nice joke :) |
| 17:50.10 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 17:50.18 | Kueken | oh god |
| 17:50.24 | Kueken | not again |
| 17:50.27 | Clord | what you are? Caesar? |
| 17:50.34 | Clord | lol |
| 17:50.47 | JademusSreg | Rap is music. Or rather, rap is the lyrics that accompanies music. |
| 17:51.07 | Kueken | clord, we need to use better roofies next time |
| 17:51.16 | JademusSreg | Not that I much enjoy rap, but not liking something is no good reason to miscategorize it. |
| 17:51.16 | ShlugSalt | to true:) |
| 17:51.29 | Clord | I hope arcade gets my other maps to be more known too |
| 17:51.41 | Clord | XD |
| 17:51.59 | Clord | people like to play some of them when they actually get the match going |
| 17:52.02 | Clord | like back in the beta |
| 17:52.04 | ShlugSalt | well on my womans pc (windows 7) the mods folder is in program files where it is supposed to be.. |
| 17:52.06 | Fenix | A1win, the latency might just be hight enough without showing the Wainting for players dialog. This will just slow down the game, while you are lagging alot and you're not able to do much apm, and whoever got a better computer will see the units movement slowed but will be able to give alot more apm because he got the time for it, he doesn't lag and game is slowed. |
| 17:52.46 | A1win | having a better computer has nothing to do with network lag |
| 17:53.00 | Fenix | it does somehow |
| 17:53.02 | A1win | are you confusing it with framerate? |
| 17:53.05 | JademusSreg | What's the topic of discussion this morning? |
| 17:53.16 | Clord | this evening |
| 17:53.18 | Clord | :) |
| 17:53.19 | ShlugSalt | missing files |
| 17:53.38 | ShlugSalt | or folders to be more precise |
| 17:53.38 | Kueken | failed attempts to narcotize certain people |
| 17:53.43 | Fenix | someone with low framerate, will force game to slow dont and if he lag too much, the game will pop the Waiting for player |
| 17:53.49 | A1win | if your framerate drops too much, the game will slow down because your computer can't handle the game fast enough, it's not a network issue |
| 17:54.14 | A1win | stop talking about lag if you mean framerate issues x_x |
| 17:54.25 | ShlugSalt | so if theres no mods folder then where is the info coming from? |
| 17:54.48 | Fenix | so there is two posible ways about Waiting for player? Too low framerate and too bad connection? |
| 17:54.53 | Kueken | the other mod folder in your documents |
| 17:55.25 | A1win | Fenix, I don't think too low framerate causes the dialog to pop up, but I might be wrong ;p |
| 17:55.35 | Fenix | you're wrong xD |
| 17:55.35 | A1win | but I wasn't talking about framerate issues earlier |
| 17:55.46 | Kueken | I am pretty sure it does |
| 17:55.47 | A1win | they got nothing to do with network latency |
| 17:55.51 | Fenix | i got a "normal" computer |
| 17:56.02 | Fenix | and if I get a huge lag, it will show the drop box |
| 17:56.03 | Clord | there is hardly such thing as "normal" computer |
| 17:56.08 | Clord | it is either crap or good |
| 17:56.09 | Clord | XD |
| 17:56.14 | Fenix | lol |
| 17:56.16 | Kueken | if one pc cannot handle the framerate, for bnet it results in lag for the other players |
| 17:56.16 | Fenix | ok its crap |
| 17:56.22 | ShlugSalt | odd there is no mods folder in documents for windows 7 its in program files to |
| 17:56.52 | Clord | A1win... if we start to talk about english.. moost use "to" and "too" wrong |
| 17:56.52 | Clord | XD |
| 17:56.58 | Clord | when typing |
| 17:56.58 | Fenix | Kueken, you're right, but at some point, if you get 0 fps for 10sec, the other players will see the dropbox |
| 17:57.05 | Kueken | yes |
| 17:57.42 | Helral | Clord: it's most ;p |
| 17:57.45 | Kueken | I am pretty sure it does not differentiate between network lag or framerate issues |
| 17:58.02 | Kueken | it receives not enough data -> it lags or pops up the dialog |
| 17:58.03 | Clord | when connectriong struggles to keep up with the situation... window appear so they can catch up with the situation.... or they have lost connection for good and they eventually are dropped |
| 17:58.11 | A1win | well framerate issues could cause the game to not send packets to others for a while |
| 17:58.14 | Fenix | im pretty sure also that if your computer lag, it can't handle the connection as well. |
| 17:58.23 | Clord | Helra... lol... that was typo |
| 17:58.26 | Fenix | so if it lags, it creates and connection issue too |
| 17:58.35 | Helral | Clord ;P |
| 17:58.45 | Fenix | ya that what i mean A1 |
| 17:58.48 | Fenix | xD |
| 17:58.51 | A1win | Fenix, yeah... but again that wasn't what I was talking about when we discussed minimum latency |
| 17:59.06 | Fenix | yeah yeah |
| 17:59.17 | Clord | latency is evident with games like Terraria XD |
| 17:59.23 | Clord | I mean general concept |
| 17:59.24 | Fenix | lol |
| 17:59.26 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:59.35 | Helral | meow? |
| 17:59.39 | Fenix | wou |
| 17:59.40 | Fenix | ff |
| 18:00.00 | Clord | Totalbiscuit in youtube videos get constantly hitted by monsters before attacking them because he sees them come near later than for Jesse who is hosting |
| 18:00.02 | Helral | hmmmmm does that count as a fail, Fenix? |
| 18:00.06 | A1win | we should just build a huge dome somewhere on earth and put every gamer inside it with a LAN connection |
| 18:00.34 | Clord | so suddenly in totalbiscuit's screen they warp to him when server detects hit |
| 18:00.47 | Clord | while Jesse gets smooth experience as host |
| 18:00.52 | Helral | A1win: where do you draw the line between a gamer and a not-gamer? |
| 18:01.24 | Clord | gamer is dude who is already level 49 in SWTOR |
| 18:01.24 | Clord | XD |
| 18:01.26 | A1win | just meant anyone who plays a game... I don't care, just put everyone in there then ;p |
| 18:01.59 | A1win | as many as it can hold |
| 18:02.15 | Helral | A1win: just image that the world is that dome ;p |
| 18:02.27 | Helral | everyone plays the game of life |
| 18:02.28 | A1win | it's too big ;I |
| 18:02.40 | Fenix | Helral, my inside dog just "stutter" (word from google translation xD) |
| 18:02.42 | Clord | if we believe the some crazy scientists.... there is hollow areas in our earth where aliens reside |
| 18:02.44 | Clord | lol |
| 18:02.49 | Clord | and that stuff comes from television |
| 18:02.51 | Clord | as document |
| 18:02.54 | Clord | >_> |
| 18:03.10 | Helral | Fenix: do you even know what it means? ;p |
| 18:03.17 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth |
| 18:03.21 | Fenix | BΓ©gayer en francais ;) |
| 18:03.27 | Helral | lol |
| 18:03.56 | Helral | Be-gay-er..... hmmmm |
| 18:04.06 | Helral | what would that mean *grins* |
| 18:04.16 | Fenix | lol |
| 18:04.17 | Clord | lol in same program there was scientist who believed that there is another dimension between earth and sun... because otherwise sun's gravity would pull earth to itself |
| 18:04.25 | Clord | some nut cases of no understanding of gravity |
| 18:04.33 | Clord | and call itself scientist |
| 18:04.45 | Helral | the earth is moving too fast to be pulled in by the suns gravity..... roflol |
| 18:05.03 | Clord | oh and it is dimension of the shadow people |
| 18:05.03 | Xaragoth | that's ... unfortunate |
| 18:05.07 | Xaragoth | let's stop it from rotating |
| 18:05.08 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 18:05.12 | Fenix | wasn't there no gravity in space? haha (jk) |
| 18:05.13 | Clord | and crystal skulls what open the gateway |
| 18:05.16 | A1win | thre must be another dimension between me and the ground when I jump, otherwise I wouldn't be able to jump x_X |
| 18:05.17 | Clord | and this is not sci-fi program XD |
| 18:05.28 | A1win | *there |
| 18:05.35 | Helral | Fenix: there is gravity, but it is so low that it is nearly unnoticable. |
| 18:05.44 | Fenix | haha |
| 18:05.46 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:05.58 | Helral | A1win: lol |
| 18:06.22 | Helral | A1win: there is another dimension in my mind, how else could I be talking to myself then. |
| 18:06.37 | Fenix | "Yeaaaahhhhhhhh I'm fallllliinnnngggg!!!!" (Twelve thousand years later) "YYYYYeeaaaahhhhhh!! I'mm sstiillll falllliiinnnggg!!!!!" |
| 18:06.50 | Clord | it is overall good program what explains plausible explanations humans and potential aliens interaction in the past but..... they could have left those scientists out of it |
| 18:07.08 | Helral | Fenix' definition of a year: a milisecond on earth. |
| 18:07.32 | Fenix | haha |
| 18:07.37 | Helral | ;p |
| 18:07.53 | Helral | so you succeeded in falling for 15 seconds. |
| 18:07.55 | Clord | sci-fi is silly sometimes.. in reality we could just speed up asteroids and collide them to enemy planet XD |
| 18:08.01 | Fenix | sweet! |
| 18:08.04 | Helral | lol |
| 18:08.08 | Fenix | i moved about 2 inchs |
| 18:08.13 | Helral | hahaha |
| 18:08.30 | Clord | Fenix Junior? |
| 18:08.40 | Fenix | well, probably more if im in space around the earth xD |
| 18:08.50 | Fenix | nah 19 here xD |
| 18:09.13 | Helral | Fenix Sr has a Fenix Jr? |
| 18:09.27 | Clord | everyone has their junior if they are male |
| 18:09.32 | Clord | you didn't get it lol? |
| 18:09.34 | Fenix | um, a Dragoon maybe? |
| 18:09.41 | Fenix | lol |
| 18:09.45 | Kueken | everyone? |
| 18:09.51 | Fenix | yeah got millions of junior |
| 18:09.58 | Fenix | ok um |
| 18:10.03 | Kueken | you mean everyone had one at birth, right? ;) |
| 18:10.20 | Fenix | probably, i dontk now for the first person |
| 18:10.22 | Clord | smart ass XD |
| 18:10.29 | Fenix | know* |
| 18:10.48 | Kueken | sorry |
| 18:11.02 | Kueken | I cannot hepl myself |
| 18:11.03 | Clord | which reminds me... jack ass vs smart ass |
| 18:11.05 | Clord | which is cooler |
| 18:11.17 | Fenix | which is probably stupid |
| 18:11.23 | Kueken | try both in combination |
| 18:11.28 | Clord | lol my character said something similar in SWTOR after I electrocuted my upcoming companion |
| 18:11.29 | Clord | XD |
| 18:11.39 | Fenix | wow -_- |
| 18:11.41 | Helral | you're a smart jack-ass? |
| 18:11.46 | Fenix | luckily i was not him |
| 18:11.54 | Kueken | I like to think I am ;) |
| 18:12.03 | Clord | it has sometimes dialog options for light and dark side choices |
| 18:13.09 | Clord | other sith class can go Darth Vader way and just crush the enemy as answer |
| 18:13.53 | Fenix | Luke, je suis ton père.....! |
| 18:14.48 | Clord | dubs can go to hell XD |
| 18:15.00 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:15.10 | Fenix | or heaven, doesn't matter, same thing. xD |
| 18:16.33 | Clord | there is disturbing lack of education |
| 18:16.39 | Clord | or more like |
| 18:16.47 | Clord | I sense disturbing lack of education in that |
| 18:16.57 | Fenix | lol |
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| 18:17.37 | Fenix | or maybe someone who doesn't care much about religions. Heaven and hell refer to religion ;) XD |
| 18:18.23 | RipperRoo | religions buuuuh :D |
| 18:28.30 | tordy | hello |
| 18:30.55 | Fenix | how do i make sure the ending value is greater than 0 when I try to set a integer variable with arithmetic -1. I don,t want the value to go under 0 |
| 18:31.31 | JademusSreg | MinI(a,b) |
| 18:31.33 | A1win | if (value > 0) value - 1 |
| 18:31.39 | A1win | err |
| 18:31.42 | A1win | value-- |
| 18:31.48 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:32.01 | Fenix | what it would looks like in trigger -_- |
| 18:32.16 | A1win | only subtract it if it's greater than 0 |
| 18:32.34 | A1win | i.e put the arithmetic action inside an if-clause |
| 18:32.57 | A1win | statement.. whatever |
| 18:33.07 | Fenix | yeah i know that... but in the trigger >. < um, I got: Set (my var) = ( blablablablalball) what do i put into balbalblal |
| 18:33.18 | A1win | ._o |
| 18:33.26 | A1win | there is an action called If Then Else |
| 18:34.12 | Fenix | yeah but icould use a math inside that action to make sure it's greater, without using any condition |
| 18:34.25 | A1win | O.o |
| 18:34.34 | A1win | you can't do it without using a condition |
| 18:34.35 | Fenix | like ceiling or idk what |
| 18:34.42 | Fenix | im sure of yes |
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| 18:35.06 | A1win | if you use the Clamp function, it uses a condition inside that function |
| 18:35.07 | Eldrazor | good day, sirs |
| 18:35.11 | A1win | it's just not visible to you |
| 18:35.50 | Fenix | bah still, I think it's better using it inside the action than having conditions everywhere? no? |
| 18:36.03 | A1win | what are you talking about D: |
| 18:36.09 | Fenix | D: |
| 18:36.37 | A1win | why'd it be better? |
| 18:37.14 | Fenix | i got a Interger. I want it to be a countdown timer. I'm in a repeat forever loop which will decrease the value by 1 and wait 1 sec. I want that value to don't go into negative. |
| 18:37.41 | JademusSreg | INTERGER |
| 18:37.44 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:37.48 | Fenix | lol |
| 18:37.49 | JademusSreg | What are we talking about? |
| 18:37.59 | Eldrazor | reals are better for countdown timers... |
| 18:38.14 | Eldrazor | or well |
| 18:38.16 | tordy | hello JademusSreg |
| 18:38.16 | JademusSreg | How so? |
| 18:38.18 | tordy | hello Clord |
| 18:38.20 | Fenix | Set variable -1 without going into negative |
| 18:38.20 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 18:38.30 | Eldrazor | isn't that easy |
| 18:38.38 | JademusSreg | My goodness, is all of this about a countdown timer>? |
| 18:38.39 | Eldrazor | add a condition to the loop |
| 18:38.43 | A1win | Fenix, just use a for loop |
| 18:38.48 | Eldrazor | if Int=0 |
| 18:38.49 | Eldrazor | Break |
| 18:38.56 | Eldrazor | for loops work better tho |
| 18:39.07 | JademusSreg | While. |
| 18:39.09 | Eldrazor | but if you have other stuff going on in the forever loop |
| 18:39.12 | JademusSreg | While loops. |
| 18:39.29 | JademusSreg | While (i > 0) for example. |
| 18:39.32 | A1win | while if you don't know how long the timer would be beforehand |
| 18:40.08 | A1win | for loop has a built-in modification for the iterator |
| 18:40.24 | A1win | well anyway |
| 18:40.30 | A1win | just stop the loop when it reaches 0 |
| 18:40.32 | JademusSreg | Anyway, SC2 uses fixed point real number implementation rather than a floating point. If you're looking for precision, "Real" isn't it. |
| 18:40.38 | A1win | with for, while, or repeat forever |
| 18:40.41 | A1win | doesn't matter ;p |
| 18:41.05 | Fenix | why u said real are better than int for timer? |
| 18:41.28 | A1win | depends on how much precision you need from the timer |
| 18:41.48 | Fenix | i just need sec and maybe min. |
| 18:41.50 | JademusSreg | With only 12 bits available for a fractional component, that gives it a smallest fractional value of 2^-12, or 0.000244140625. |
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| 18:42.09 | JademusSreg | Which gives you at most 3 decimal places of precision, but it varies. |
| 18:42.27 | JademusSreg | I've gotten 0 decimal places of precision before. |
| 18:42.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:42.36 | Fenix | haha |
| 18:43.20 | JademusSreg | Point being you should -avoid- using "reals" whenever it is practical to do so. |
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| 18:43.44 | tordy | you guys ever get the countdown timer "underflowing"? |
| 18:43.50 | Fenix | y avoid using real? |
| 18:44.16 | Helral | cause they aren't exact for some calculations. |
| 18:44.22 | JademusSreg | The lack of precision means either losing or gaining value. |
| 18:44.40 | JademusSreg | And those teeny tiny differences will add up, especially in physics systems. |
| 18:44.40 | tordy | like the countdown timer goes down to 0 and then to -1 causing the timer to actually be at some super high number |
| 18:44.41 | Fenix | so using int is good? |
| 18:45.02 | A1win | int is precise ;p |
| 18:45.11 | Deaod | he wants to do something every second, so using an integer is practical, but only if youre not going to change the period |
| 18:45.29 | Fenix | the period? |
| 18:45.37 | tordy | can you actually implement your own floating point #s? using ieee 754 standard? |
| 18:46.07 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 18:46.08 | Deaod | maybe youll decide to use 0.875 in the future |
| 18:46.13 | Deaod | instead of 1 |
| 18:46.24 | JademusSreg | mexa and Mindy were discussing it a day or two ago. |
| 18:46.25 | Deaod | integers will make the transition painful |
| 18:46.43 | tordy | discussing what |
| 18:46.47 | tordy | mindy who |
| 18:46.50 | tordy | >:) |
| 18:46.51 | JademusSreg | And since Mexa is doing some physics shit, he might make a galaxy float. |
| 18:46.52 | Fenix | i dont want 0,875 in my timer haha |
| 18:47.02 | Deaod | implementing fixed point data type in galaxy |
| 18:47.11 | Deaod | oph |
| 18:47.13 | Deaod | wait |
| 18:47.16 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:47.24 | Deaod | they want to implement floats? |
| 18:47.42 | JademusSreg | They were discussing it. |
| 18:47.48 | Deaod | hmmmm |
| 18:48.08 | tordy | floating points get less precise as the numbers are further from 0 right? |
| 18:48.12 | JademusSreg | We have bitwise operators, so it should be possible. |
| 18:48.17 | Fenix | anybody saw what was the first versions of starcraft 2 ? How funny this is? |
| 18:48.31 | tordy | it's pretty cool seeing pro game dev stages |
| 18:48.37 | Deaod | seeing how floats are so serious business that blizzard in all their wisdom decided to scrap them ... |
| 18:48.40 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:48.56 | tordy | why blizz decide to implement their own iunno |
| 18:49.07 | Deaod | they didnt implement floats |
| 18:49.13 | tordy | they didnt |
| 18:49.20 | Deaod | yes |
| 18:49.25 | Deaod | well, they did in WC3 |
| 18:49.31 | tordy | yea |
| 18:49.34 | Deaod | but not in SC2 |
| 18:50.10 | tordy | so i ask why blizz decided to implement a shoddy imprecise representation of real numbers iunno |
| 18:50.16 | Deaod | speed |
| 18:50.34 | Deaod | and synchronization |
| 18:51.04 | Deaod | also, time spent implementing floats is a lot more than fixed |
| 18:51.21 | Deaod | than for* |
| 18:51.27 | tordy | so blizz got lazy? |
| 18:51.37 | tordy | prioritized speed over precision? |
| 18:51.42 | Helral | what about doubles? ;p |
| 18:52.00 | A1win | they didn't need them for their own purposes, the only reason they'd have implemented them would've been for the custom map community |
| 18:52.00 | tordy | Helral what's the closest winter tileset on WoL assets |
| 18:52.05 | Fenix | what is the trigger to activate the Action definition? >.< |
| 18:52.15 | Helral | WoL assets? |
| 18:52.26 | Deaod | Wings of Liberty |
| 18:52.29 | A1win | Fenix, it is listed in the action list with the name you gave it |
| 18:52.31 | tordy | non-custom assets there you go |
| 18:52.40 | Helral | dunno tordy, got no clue bout terrain |
| 18:52.47 | A1win | just like any other action |
| 18:53.09 | tordy | i wanna know what terrain and weather effects the guy that made Belshir Beach Winter used |
| 18:55.12 | Fenix | there is no action definition action xD |
| 18:55.24 | A1win | ._o |
| 18:55.27 | Fenix | i just find thing to run triggers |
| 18:55.33 | A1win | what are you talking about |
| 18:55.45 | Fenix | i want to start my action definition xD |
| 18:55.48 | A1win | you shouldn't be looking for an action to run an action |
| 18:55.51 | A1win | just look for the action :P |
| 18:55.52 | A1win | duh |
| 18:56.06 | A1win | what's the name of your action definition? |
| 18:56.10 | tordy | when should i use an eventless trigger |
| 18:56.14 | tordy | if ever? |
| 18:56.18 | Fenix | Dialogs xD |
| 18:56.23 | tordy | >:] |
| 18:56.34 | A1win | Fenix, then type "dialogs" in the search box of the action list ;p |
| 18:56.35 | Helral | tordy: use Action Definitions instead of eventless triggers. ;p |
| 18:56.35 | tordy | oh yea dialog triggers |
| 18:56.37 | Fenix | i see |
| 18:56.39 | Fenix | >.< |
| 18:56.48 | tordy | gotta use triggers for screen buttons |
| 18:57.00 | Fenix | gotcha |
| 18:57.20 | Ashamed | we are so going to have flying saucers soon! |
| 18:57.20 | Ashamed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEY2bm-W50 |
| 18:58.10 | Helral | hmmm think I'll need to design an UI for my localization tool..... |
| 18:59.00 | Fenix | just a question, (i wont try to do that but) is it possible to make a split screen for like a 2 players games on one screen? |
| 18:59.42 | tordy | how's that dialog creator goin mexa? |
| 19:01.18 | Fenix | any here heard about Starcraft Universe? |
| 19:01.40 | tordy | yea like a year and half ago |
| 19:01.46 | Fenix | lol |
| 19:02.20 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:04.25 | tordy | can we loop through points groups yet |
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| 19:16.57 | Fenix | is there any condition with some sort of Pressed key = (the key) So i can have one event pressed key any, and multiple if then else with if it is this key then ... etc |
| 19:17.09 | JademusSreg | I've already done that. |
| 19:17.39 | Fenix | i can't find the condition that refer to the Key pressed event |
| 19:18.00 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/19464-triggers-input-capture-system/#p1 |
| 19:18.07 | JademusSreg | He's the GUI version of my input script. |
| 19:18.20 | JademusSreg | *Here's |
| 19:20.39 | tordy | avogatro M Y M AIN MAN |
| 19:22.04 | Fenix | well, i'll keep this in mind, but i think i'll just use some key pressed event on some trigger. Will be much more simple. |
| 19:23.05 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:23.21 | JademusSreg | Just showing how to do the shit. =D |
| 19:23.28 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:23.42 | Fenix | well i think you've noticed that i'm not that experimented with the editor. |
| 19:23.47 | tordy | wouldnt be surprising if hots is gonna be >$50 right |
| 19:23.51 | Fenix | giving me that kind of code |
| 19:23.56 | Fenix | i have no idea how it works. |
| 19:24.09 | Fenix | it will probably be |
| 19:24.45 | Fenix | and i though it was coming out 31 december.... but it's was in 2012 >.< SOS |
| 19:24.59 | Helral | 31 dec 2012? |
| 19:25.13 | Fenix | that's what some sites gives |
| 19:25.14 | tordy | lucky if it comes out before q3 2012 |
| 19:28.38 | Fenix | its much more than luck haha. Blizz is "It's ready... whne it's ready" |
| 19:30.14 | Helral | anyone here a bit home in Java? |
| 19:30.26 | JademusSreg | Deaod does Java. |
| 19:30.44 | Helral | hehehe wondering what the awt equivalent is for the FileChooser. |
| 19:31.41 | JademusSreg | Ask heeem. I stick mostly to C-family languages, haven't even touched Java. |
| 19:31.52 | tordy | jaja? |
| 19:33.13 | Helral | ahh found it.... was FileDialog not FileChooser... lol |
| 19:33.16 | Fenix | interesting... into the protoss Built in progress, in the combat tab i got damage dealt maximum 524 297.9997 |
| 19:34.11 | JademusSreg | Haha wat? |
| 19:37.02 | Fenix | http://i.imgur.com/ltmqJ.jpg |
| 19:38.10 | Fenix | shouldn't that supposed to be 0? |
| 19:38.37 | Helral | shouldn't what? |
| 19:39.13 | Fenix | the 524 297.997 on my printscreen |
| 19:39.35 | Helral | if it is 0 it deals a maximum amounth of 0 dmg. |
| 19:39.44 | Helral | so basicly it can not deal any dmg. |
| 19:40.04 | Fenix | ya but that's a behavior for protoss pylon power |
| 19:40.25 | Helral | standard value is that. |
| 19:40.58 | Fenix | ah. |
| 19:41.16 | Fenix | ok then its just a fun big value |
| 19:44.45 | Fenix | my is comp is annoying. It's slow. When doing things in the editor it lags. Like, if i add a trigger, it refresh like 4-5 times before i can do something else -_- |
| 19:44.49 | Helral | Fenix: that value is prolly: FFFF.FFFF ;p |
| 19:45.03 | Fenix | hein? |
| 19:46.03 | Helral | the 524297.99997 |
| 19:46.26 | Fenix | ya but whats FFFF.FFFF |
| 19:46.35 | Helral | hexadecimal alue |
| 19:46.37 | Helral | value* |
| 19:46.44 | Fenix | ah |
| 19:47.35 | Fenix | if both side of the coma is FFFF why is it different number? oO |
| 19:47.56 | JademusSreg | There's no error there. |
| 19:48.11 | Helral | one side is x^-1 |
| 19:48.25 | Helral | although just calculated. |
| 19:48.33 | Helral | seems SC2 uses: FFFFF.FFF |
| 19:49.00 | Helral | not equal seperation. |
| 19:49.08 | JademusSreg | 19 bits for the integer portion, 12 bits for the fractional portion, and 1 bit for sign. |
| 19:49.21 | Fenix | ah. |
| 19:49.25 | JademusSreg | Highest possible value of 524287.999755859375 |
| 19:49.30 | Helral | ohhh JademusSreg even got the exact numbers. |
| 19:49.48 | Fenix | Jademus is a God. U never noticed that? |
| 19:49.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:50.14 | Helral | I tell gods to give me fish. |
| 19:50.22 | JademusSreg | And loaves. |
| 19:50.26 | Fenix | He's almost everywhere. You play a map on the loading screen 4 times on 5 there is his name |
| 19:50.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:50.50 | Helral | happens when you play the same map 4 out of 5 times. |
| 19:50.56 | Fenix | hahahaha |
| 19:57.53 | Fenix | omg my editor is so f*ing slow |
| 19:58.47 | JademusSreg | Have you tried blowing in the cartridge? I know the manual says you shouldn't, but everyone else does. |
| 20:00.22 | Fenix | haha, if I do that, I'll only have another comp that cannot run sc2 |
| 20:00.58 | JademusSreg | Or bang on it. A firm but gentle rapping on it might help. |
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| 20:38.30 | Cardinal_ | Is everyones data editor... slow...? Like opening and editing a field and submitting the changes? Seems to cause a minor 'hang' |
| 20:38.45 | Cardinal_ | Trying to 'browse' for assets takes 2 to 3 seconds to open up |
| 20:39.04 | Cardinal_ | And within that, browsing to a specific directory will take 10 to 30 seconds - and sometimes crashing inconveniently |
| 20:39.26 | Cardinal_ | Recently upgraded my computer thinking it was just the processor/memory being out of date... turns out there is no difference. |
| 20:39.46 | Cardinal_ | Leaves me with the conclusion that the entire Galaxy Editor is extremely inefficiently coded. |
| 20:40.05 | JademusSreg | No doubt. |
| 20:40.14 | nicoli_s | i wish i had the time and the drive to work more on my 3rd party editor :( |
| 20:42.34 | MindWorX | Mindy me |
| 20:44.26 | Ahli | is the max bank file size in multiplayer around 8kb? or what does the first point of http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/28875-trigger-bank-facts/ mean? |
| 20:44.53 | Ahli | so with 4 players I would have 2kb / player? |
| 20:48.32 | nicoli_s | you ever work on yer map editor project anymore MindWorX? |
| 20:49.06 | JademusSreg | He's busy with indie game development. |
| 20:49.19 | MindWorX | Nah, it got very little interest back then, and with only Andromeda as the preprocessor, it didn't have much use. |
| 20:49.35 | MindWorX | And so, like JademusSreg just said, I've moved on to give making my own game a go. :) |
| 20:50.49 | nicoli_s | sweet, i need to get back on my game |
| 20:52.06 | JademusSreg | Modding is nice and all, but it doesn't have quite the same sense of accomplishment as developing a game. |
| 20:52.56 | nicoli_s | indeed |
| 20:52.56 | JademusSreg | It's the difference between building something with legos and having your own toy line produced. |
| 20:52.58 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:53.13 | nicoli_s | the first time i had my game up and running on my xbox pc and windows phone was a pretty epic moment |
| 20:53.23 | MindWorX | :D |
| 20:53.55 | MindWorX | I really love making games. It's so much more rewarding than the programming I've done. Not always as interesting, but there are just so many areas to explore. |
| 20:54.09 | nicoli_s | agreed |
| 20:54.16 | MindWorX | Hacking is a real passion of mine, but it can be very boring doing the same over and over. |
| 20:54.22 | nicoli_s | ive been trying to take what ive learned from hacking into game making |
| 20:54.31 | nicoli_s | so my game is very modular, loads all its data from external files |
| 20:54.34 | JademusSreg | Sounds justl ike Mindy. |
| 20:54.36 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:54.39 | MindWorX | Haha |
| 20:54.42 | MindWorX | Indeed. :P |
| 20:54.45 | nicoli_s | so without much effort i had made a game that you can already make mods for |
| 20:55.11 | MindWorX | My hacking has given me a great insight into how memory is handled and used, which made me able to make a very effecient structure for my tiles and realms. |
| 20:55.21 | nicoli_s | what sorta game you doing? |
| 20:55.39 | MindWorX | Similar to Terraria, but with more focus on structured gameplay than sandbox gameplay. :) |
| 20:56.00 | MindWorX | You know, like missions/quests and various goals and such. |
| 20:56.15 | MindWorX | Rather than sandbox where you just do whatever you'd like. |
| 20:56.22 | nicoli_s | very cool |
| 20:56.24 | nicoli_s | what lang? |
| 20:56.33 | MindWorX | C# and XNA at the moment. |
| 20:56.35 | nicoli_s | nice |
| 20:56.36 | nicoli_s | same here |
| 20:56.46 | MindWorX | Might move on to SlimDX if I see the need. |
| 20:57.04 | nicoli_s | what platforms you targetting? just pc? |
| 20:57.09 | MindWorX | Yeah |
| 20:57.22 | JademusSreg | Steam distribution. |
| 20:57.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:57.44 | MindWorX | SlimDX is PC only too, but supports newer shaders, DX11 and other things. |
| 20:57.48 | nicoli_s | ahh nice |
| 20:57.54 | JademusSreg | (Kind of sad mac users can't play Terraria.) |
| 20:57.57 | nicoli_s | im doing a 3d tile based strat game |
| 20:58.01 | nicoli_s | kinda like advanced wars |
| 20:58.07 | JademusSreg | is envious. |
| 20:58.22 | MindWorX | When are you going to start working on your own game Jade? ;) |
| 20:58.22 | JademusSreg | Or I would be if I were capable of feeling envy. |
| 20:58.45 | JademusSreg | Soon. I have a project I need to wrap up, a Photon Cycles update, before I get started. |
| 20:59.48 | MindWorX | I just got my project solution setup perfectly. :P I have x86/x64 interop between the 32bit client and the 64bit server, sharing the same classes. |
| 21:00.11 | MindWorX | It was a bit difficult to get right, but it works perfectly now, and saves me a bunch of work later. |
| 21:00.15 | JademusSreg | Some folks were saying I should develop a stand alone Photon Cycles game, but the idea of doing more of the same shit sounds kind of dull. |
| 21:00.34 | nicoli_s | MindWorX:how can you do that? i thought xna was x86 only? |
| 21:01.02 | MindWorX | nicoli_s, It is. I used the math part of SlimDX which has similar implementations of Vectors and Matrices. |
| 21:01.09 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 21:01.24 | nicoli_s | i was actually trying to use XNA under x64 earlier today |
| 21:01.31 | MindWorX | And then I link the source rather than compile it, and have a conditional symbol "XNAInterop" that allows it to be implemented completely transparent. |
| 21:01.39 | MindWorX | nicoli_s, Why? |
| 21:01.39 | nicoli_s | drives me crazy theres no nice lib for doing .dds textures in C# in x64 |
| 21:02.46 | JademusSreg | Advance Wars always seemed a bit too simple for my tastes; I prefer more Final Fantasy Tactics level of depth in my TBS games. |
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| 21:02.52 | MindWorX | I've been wondering if it's possible to make XNA large address aware. |
| 21:02.54 | JademusSreg | What is your game like? |
| 21:04.30 | nicoli_s | JademusSreg:mine would be alot more in depth |
| 21:04.41 | nicoli_s | branching gameplay + campagin |
| 21:04.48 | nicoli_s | along with persistant hero units |
| 21:04.53 | nicoli_s | that can be upgraded rpg style |
| 21:05.15 | JademusSreg | Sounds neat. Alpha or pre-alpha stage? |
| 21:05.48 | nicoli_s | pre-alpha |
| 21:06.09 | nicoli_s | most of the game engine is done, and it runs on all 3 platforms with specialized controls for each one |
| 21:06.12 | JademusSreg | I figured. Otherwise I would have asked for some sweet screenshots. |
| 21:06.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:06.21 | nicoli_s | heh yeah ive been focusing on the engine |
| 21:06.25 | nicoli_s | still not sure what ill do about art |
| 21:06.39 | JademusSreg | Trawl polycount? |
| 21:06.59 | nicoli_s | ? |
| 21:07.10 | JademusSreg | Go trawling on polycount forums, I mean. |
| 21:07.34 | JademusSreg | "Trawling" being the practice of dragging a net over an area to catch, say, fish. |
| 21:07.48 | nicoli_s | add never heard of that place before |
| 21:07.51 | nicoli_s | ahhh* |
| 21:08.18 | JademusSreg | I'm told it's a nice place to find modelers. |
| 21:08.24 | nicoli_s | my original plan was to just steal the assets from other games and release them as anonymous expansion packs on the internet :P |
| 21:08.30 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:10.20 | nicoli_s | cuz i have importers for war,wow, sc2, and a ton of other games because of work :P |
| 21:10.29 | nicoli_s | in fact i use sc2 and wow models as placeholder art for now |
| 21:10.35 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:10.45 | nicoli_s | its so funny on my xbox seeing my avatar beat a hydralisk with a hammer :P |
| 21:10.59 | MindWorX | Sounds lovely. :P |
| 21:11.08 | JademusSreg | "Zealot casts Meteor on Arthas." |
| 21:11.25 | MindWorX | "ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!" |
| 21:11.31 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:11.32 | MindWorX | "Arthas faints." |
| 21:11.40 | MindWorX | fainted*? |
| 21:11.42 | MindWorX | I don't remember |
| 21:11.48 | MindWorX | I haven't played pokemen in a long time. |
| 21:11.49 | JademusSreg | Either way. |
| 21:12.31 | A1win | "would frostmourne like to change pokemon?" |
| 21:12.38 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:20.37 | MindWorX | Man, my TileRealm is so damn coupled with the rendering I'm about to cry. |
| 21:20.47 | MindWorX | 'tis going to be good to decouple the two. |
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| 21:58.12 | Demonette | mmhh |
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| 22:01.19 | helral_mobile | meows@the cinema |
| 22:01.47 | Demonette | oO |
| 22:01.49 | Demonette | Hi ral |
| 22:01.54 | Demonette | Mobileral |
| 22:01.58 | helral_mobile | Hey |
| 22:02.06 | helral_mobile | Hehehe |
| 22:02.42 | Xaragoth | cat on skateboard |
| 22:02.55 | Xaragoth | with a fish on a stick to make it run |
| 22:02.55 | Xaragoth | ~ |
| 22:03.28 | Demonette | Mmmhh.. sounds funny =) |
| 22:03.34 | JademusSreg | pew |
| 22:04.48 | Xaragoth | puts helral_mobile on a skateboard, adds a fish on a stick and gives the whole thing a kick. |
| 22:04.54 | Xaragoth | rhymes are good |
| 22:04.56 | helral_mobile | Is there a tool yet for fixing localization problems when working with a team? |
| 22:05.11 | helral_mobile | Nog. Cobra |
| 22:05.36 | Demonette | Oh? That's still not fixed? |
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| 22:07.20 | Xaragoth | blizz and fixing things? |
| 22:07.23 | Xaragoth | srsly |
| 22:13.02 | Demonette | XD |
| 22:13.09 | Demonette | i thought the community would fix it |
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| 22:46.45 | CryptRat | Do you have to use an ability item if you want to use a targeting splat actor and a range indicator? |
| 22:47.10 | CryptRat | Ability item as opposed to a persistant/one-use item |
| 22:47.28 | JademusSreg | I haven't messed with items. |
| 22:47.40 | JademusSreg | But range actors are easy enough to use. |
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| 22:50.03 | CryptRat | Yes, but the only target.on/target.off things I know of are only for abilities. |
| 22:50.16 | CryptRat | A persistent item targets, but isn't an ability. |
| 22:50.27 | CryptRat | or at least it targets if the effect is targeted. |
| 22:51.07 | CryptRat | IE. I only want the range actor to display when targeting, but I don't know what event to use for this. |
| 22:51.19 | CryptRat | And it would be obvious if it were an ability, but it's not. |
| 23:27.33 | CryptRat | It looks like it just isn't possible. There's no event field for items. |
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| 23:31.55 | helral_mobile | Hmm? |
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| 23:34.00 | Helral | what you looking for exactly CryptRat? |
| 23:34.08 | Helral | the item use ability? |
| 23:37.44 | Xaragoth | http://chzfandom.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/fanart-cosplay-real-avp.jpg |
| 23:37.52 | Xaragoth | avatar got better. a lot. |
| 23:45.29 | CryptRat | Helral, I want an item-targeting to allow Range and AOE splats. |
| 23:45.45 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:45.52 | CryptRat | Forumy searches concluded that they aren't possible. |
| 23:51.04 | Helral | Crypt you mean when using an item from the inv it shows splat? |
| 23:51.31 | CryptRat | Yes. |
| 23:51.37 | CryptRat | For items that require a target. |
| 23:51.48 | CryptRat | There's no cooresponding Target.On/Target.Off for items. |
| 23:52.02 | Helral | Target.On/Target.Off ???? |
| 23:52.08 | CryptRat | For the actor event. |
| 23:52.47 | Helral | afaik if you set the Effect for the item correctly you should be able to get splat to show.... |
| 23:53.03 | CryptRat | No, not on impact. When TARGETING. |
| 23:53.21 | Helral | yeah first click, not 2nd click |
| 23:53.30 | CryptRat | ... what? |
| 23:53.46 | Helral | you click the item to use it, and then you select where to target (2nd click) |
| 23:54.04 | Helral | so after the first click the targeting stuff appears. |
| 23:54.14 | Helral | and the 2nd click is confirm target. |
| 23:54.18 | CryptRat | That's completely ignoring the possibility of hotkey use. |
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| 23:54.37 | Helral | you wanted to combine hotkeys to inv slots? or ? |
| 23:54.45 | CryptRat | What? |
| 23:54.52 | CryptRat | You aren't making any sense. |
| 23:55.00 | Helral | neither are you for me ;) |
| 23:55.12 | Helral | " That's completely ignoring the possibility of hotkey use." ????? |
| 23:55.27 | CryptRat | You said "first" and "second" click. |
| 23:55.36 | CryptRat | If you use a hotkey, there's only one click. |
| 23:55.48 | Helral | hotkey replaces first click |
| 23:56.10 | CryptRat | ... |
| 23:56.13 | Helral | as long as you use the builtin hotkeys |
| 23:56.17 | Helral | and not keyboard events |
| 23:56.51 | CryptRat | So you're saying that the actor has to use keyboard and mouse events? |
| 23:57.16 | Helral | no I'm talking bout triggers with the word events not actors. |
| 23:58.12 | CryptRat | ... I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm working in the data editor. |
| 23:58.13 | Helral | you have a total of 6 inventory slots which can have hotkeys assigned. |
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| 23:59.13 | Helral | ok so how do you want to use a hotkey for the items (just wondering) |
| 23:59.50 | CryptRat | I don't care about the hotkeys. |
