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| 00:58.26 | UloseTheGame | anyone here play EU3 |
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| 01:24.17 | ________________ | eruptic ulcers 3? |
| 01:24.27 | ________________ | erupting* sorry |
| 01:24.28 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:24.33 | ________________ | I get my games confused. |
| 01:24.50 | JademusSreg | Enflamed Urinary-tract 3? |
| 01:24.57 | ________________ | lmao |
| 01:31.49 | UloseTheGame | europa universalis |
| 01:32.03 | UloseTheGame | guess you guys don't play ^_^ |
| 01:33.11 | ________________ | Anyone know what the Build Flags __ means in the AI Advanced - Build Trigger? |
| 01:33.22 | ________________ | the _____ I'm asking about |
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| 01:35.21 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | go hate posts |
| 01:35.21 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3804730880?page=1#8 |
| 01:37.59 | JademusSreg | Naw. Incendiary rhetoric on internet forums is for people who have an undeserved sense of entitlement. |
| 01:38.24 | JademusSreg | "WHAT?! YOU DIDN'T READ MY MIND AND GIVE ME EVERYTHING I WANTED?! FUCK YOU!" |
| 01:38.48 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol |
| 01:38.58 | JademusSreg | Of course companies don't care. They're not people, they can't care. What the fuck is wrong with these people? |
| 01:39.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i think people should care |
| 01:39.52 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | it would make for a better game in long run |
| 01:40.59 | Unlike_Lester | I think people should stop bitching about the popularity system. Blizzard knows their current implementation is improperly done. |
| 01:41.36 | Unlike_Lester | And it has come to a point where complaining isn't going to speed up the redesign. |
| 01:42.19 | JademusSreg | Companies are organizational structures designed to aggregate labor toward common goals for the purposes of making profit; caring doesn't factor (directly) into it. So when people say "All Blizzard wants is money. They used to be like a family and now I cry my little pansy ass to sleep every night," I laugh. |
| 01:42.19 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | my concerns are that they are not listening to the problems with the game dependecy bug map image export bug etc |
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| 01:43.05 | Unlike_Lester | Because bumping that thread with 1-2hours intervals on a weekend is what, going to make them respond faster? |
| 01:44.04 | Unlike_Lester | That map image export bug by the way, I never got it to be reproduced |
| 01:44.17 | Unlike_Lester | It's all fine here (yeah, that's a shit answer, I know) |
| 01:44.31 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | did you make a mapo that is 256x256 |
| 01:44.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | put sometuing in corner and able to see it export |
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| 01:44.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ive done this on 4 different computers |
| 01:44.53 | Unlike_Lester | Anything specific? |
| 01:44.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | no |
| 01:45.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i just added like a dirt spot on the terrain |
| 01:46.08 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | has to be outside the 208x202 aspect |
| 01:46.38 | Unlike_Lester | Does it matter what corner? |
| 01:46.44 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | no |
| 01:46.51 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:46.52 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i used top left but it shouldnt matter |
| 01:47.04 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | it cuts my map off at all corners |
| 01:47.17 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have screens to prove it |
| 01:47.42 | Unlike_Lester | Did you adjust the camera bounds? |
| 01:47.47 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | max |
| 01:47.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | both camera and map bounds are 256x256 |
| 01:48.15 | JademusSreg | He means did you adjust them, rather than create the map at those bounds. |
| 01:48.26 | JademusSreg | Along the line of inquiry that perhaps it involves default bounds. |
| 01:48.28 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i created the map at 256 |
| 01:48.49 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | then i modified camera bounds |
| 01:49.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but the defauklt doesnt display it properly either |
| 01:49.14 | Unlike_Lester | So that also means your playable map area is 256x256 as well, yes? |
| 01:49.15 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | the max it will export is 208x202 i checked |
| 01:49.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes |
| 01:50.10 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its a big issue if people make their own minimaps |
| 01:53.31 | Unlike_Lester | oh yeah, I noticed now |
| 01:53.36 | Unlike_Lester | strange |
| 01:53.47 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol see |
| 01:54.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | why have the function if it doesnt work |
| 01:54.45 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i need bounty to get his persistance on it |
| 01:54.55 | Unlike_Lester | It works, but only not for those huge sizes, I assume. |
| 01:55.08 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | max is 208x202 |
| 01:55.13 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | so yes |
| 01:55.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | all blizz needs to do is change the script that exports the map image |
| 01:56.00 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | to use 256 or higher |
| 01:56.24 | Ahli | what are your settings for the exporter? I just exported a 512x512 image for my 256x256 map with max camera boundaries just fine... |
| 01:57.00 | Unlike_Lester | Could be that the previewer is the only thing faulty here. |
| 01:57.08 | Unlike_Lester | I didn't export either. |
| 01:57.32 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | my settings are x2048 y2048 camera angke 90 zoom corrction 0 match game |
| 01:58.01 | Unlike_Lester | So you did try generating one without looking at the previewer only, right |
| 01:58.02 | Unlike_Lester | *? |
| 01:58.08 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | if i export the image it still cuts it off |
| 01:58.15 | JademusSreg | [20:55:06] <xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx> i need bounty to get his persistance on it |
| 01:58.18 | JademusSreg | I laughed. |
| 01:58.19 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:58.21 | Ahli | exported my image just fine |
| 01:58.35 | JademusSreg | Bounty is persistent when he's angry. |
| 01:58.36 | Ahli | works for me :S |
| 01:58.42 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ahli what is your settings |
| 01:58.44 | JademusSreg | (Until he says "Fuck it".) |
| 01:59.31 | Unlike_Lester | Seems Blizzard replied on the dependency bug too, even though it was kind of in the wrong forum |
| 01:59.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | also do you have an object or something in teh corner |
| 01:59.51 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | what you mean lester |
| 01:59.55 | Ahli | x: 2048, checked the second checkmark; borders: full; angle 90.0; zoom: 0.0; match game |
| 02:00.14 | JademusSreg | Link. |
| 02:00.39 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | did you generate preview ahli |
| 02:00.42 | Ahli | map is: 256x256 with camera bounds north 252, east 249, south 4, east 7 |
| 02:00.46 | Ahli | yes I did |
| 02:00.55 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i still get it cut off |
| 02:01.05 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 02:01.20 | JademusSreg | OS's and video cards? |
| 02:01.25 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i can send over map |
| 02:01.43 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | windows 7 ati radeon 6570 |
| 02:01.47 | JademusSreg | I'm on a Win7 ATI ~5800 setup and I encountered the error. |
| 02:02.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | so you seeing same thing jade |
| 02:02.12 | Ahli | win7, geforce 8600m |
| 02:02.32 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ahli |
| 02:02.39 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | can i send map over irc |
| 02:03.20 | Ahli | I can only test it. I'm not able to send big files until 7th january |
| 02:03.22 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | :( no |
| 02:03.29 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its 3 megs |
| 02:03.36 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have all assets in mods |
| 02:03.46 | Ahli | I can test if I can make a picture, yes |
| 02:04.05 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | um irc cant send it ill upload it to my thread on sc2mapster |
| 02:04.23 | Ahli | give me the link then ;D |
| 02:04.36 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | or bettre yet rapid share 5 mins |
| 02:04.48 | Unlike_Lester | Meant that one http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3754645556?page=5#100 |
| 02:04.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | then i dont have to wait for aproval |
| 02:05.08 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ya lthat post was useless |
| 02:05.16 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:05.50 | Unlike_Lester | Major part of that thread was useless |
| 02:05.56 | Unlike_Lester | the |
| 02:07.09 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ahli if it has dependency issue dont worry about it it should load the terrain just fine |
| 02:07.28 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | https://rapidshare.com/files/4019941241/A_Rogue_s_Story.SC2Map |
| 02:07.53 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | you dont need to make a 2048 size image |
| 02:08.01 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | you can see its cut off at 256 |
| 02:12.33 | Ahli | yes, it cuts it :S |
| 02:12.43 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | see like wtf |
| 02:13.16 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i created a blank map and it did it with taght aswell |
| 02:13.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | well not blank i had the indicator in it |
| 02:13.32 | JademusSreg | Good that it doesn't appear to be hardware dependent. |
| 02:13.32 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | but still |
| 02:13.40 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | trhis is a big annoyance |
| 02:13.45 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 02:14.00 | JademusSreg | Don't get get indignant; it makes you look silly. =D |
| 02:14.07 | JademusSreg | *But don't get |
| 02:14.48 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i shouldnt have to create an image tha edit bounds create another an so on then crop it in photoshop |
| 02:16.45 | JademusSreg | Of course that sucks, but it's no big deal. Make a formal statement on the matter to Blizzard, move on, hope they fix it. Time better spent developing. |
| 02:17.39 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have written letters |
| 02:17.42 | JademusSreg | Which reminds me, if DarkRevenant did Mafia in galaxy instead of GUI, he wouldn't have hit the script limit nearly as soon. =D |
| 02:17.48 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i got banned once |
| 02:17.59 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ya lol |
| 02:18.16 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | mine is doing good for script limit |
| 02:18.47 | JademusSreg | Script file size is not a direct indicator of VM script and variable memory. |
| 02:19.53 | JademusSreg | The script is interpreted to bytecode instructions to be executed by the VM, so the script file size could well be some absurd number and be fine. |
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| 02:19.58 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i dont have much scripts running at same time jade |
| 02:20.06 | UloseTheGame | someone bumped my month old thread |
| 02:20.07 | JademusSreg | Still not an issue. |
| 02:20.12 | UloseTheGame | that one caught a lot of attention |
| 02:20.25 | JademusSreg | That's thread count and op limits. Not the same issue. |
| 02:20.25 | UloseTheGame | 5 whole pages lol |
| 02:21.38 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | you talking to me jade |
| 02:22.17 | JademusSreg | The script bytecode memory is an issue encountered when the VM has to inerpret the instructions, not a runtime limit like the op limit and thread limit; if it's too large, the whole thing shits itself, right at the start. |
| 02:22.53 | JademusSreg | Same for the variable memory limit, I would guess. |
| 02:23.16 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | oh isee |
| 02:23.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | it basically puts all trigs into mem and just goes from there |
| 02:23.52 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 02:24.24 | JademusSreg | It interpets the script to bytecode; this is what is meant by script memory limit. |
| 02:25.05 | JademusSreg | It's not the file size or the number of triggers or any of the -directly-. |
| 02:25.14 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i dont think there should be one |
| 02:25.39 | JademusSreg | You want to allow the SC2 VM to allocate 2 - 4 GB of your memory? |
| 02:26.07 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | well it has to do with the triggers somewhat or there will be no shit to put into byte code |
| 02:26.24 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i have 64 gigs memeory i dont care |
| 02:26.37 | JademusSreg | That's why I use the word -directly-. It's an oversimplication to say it's the number of triggers or the size of the file. |
| 02:27.08 | JademusSreg | Those are indirect indicators that one may approach the script bytecode memory limit. |
| 02:27.18 | Unlike_Lester | [03:26] <xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx> i have 64 gigs memeory i dont care -That doesn't sound like a endcustomer computer at all. |
| 02:27.48 | JademusSreg | Doesn't matter. It's a 32-bit application. It can't allocate more memory. |
| 02:28.17 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its not |
| 02:28.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i know |
| 02:28.37 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | max is 3 gigs |
| 02:28.53 | JademusSreg | 3.2, but that include virtual memory. |
| 02:29.14 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | ya |
| 02:29.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | my sc2 running right now is at |
| 02:29.43 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | 17 gigs |
| 02:30.09 | JademusSreg | Personal details aside, it would be imprudent to allow the VM to gobble up all the memory. |
| 02:30.21 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | mindya i have 4 sc2's and 2 editors open |
| 02:30.59 | JademusSreg | And one cannot have users opt to allocate more memory, since trigger shit is synchronous. |
| 02:31.05 | ________________ | how can you run multiple instances of sc2 |
| 02:31.06 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | they should not make it virtual memory |
| 02:31.18 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | it would be faster if was direct ram |
| 02:31.30 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | sandboxie |
| 02:31.33 | ________________ | ah |
| 02:31.34 | ________________ | gotcha |
| 02:31.43 | ________________ | i actually 4got i had that |
| 02:31.46 | ________________ | ty for reminding me |
| 02:32.09 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | i do this to do multiplayer testing on my map |
| 02:32.20 | ________________ | oh? u have multiple accounts? |
| 02:32.28 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | and to help snyder guy make his map |
| 02:32.33 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | yes and no |
| 02:32.38 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | its a friends |
| 02:32.39 | ________________ | so they're borrowed then |
| 02:32.42 | ________________ | gotcha |
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| 04:47.34 | UloseTheGame | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_9LASp-7s |
| 04:47.36 | UloseTheGame | hey mapster |
| 04:47.42 | UloseTheGame | check out my awesome game |
| 04:47.55 | UloseTheGame | quality sucks :\ sorry about that |
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| 09:50.53 | Unlike_Lester | Merry christmas folks |
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| 17:04.26 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | lol blizzards site is down |
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| 18:11.54 | Bibendus | wrapping the xmax present |
| 18:12.00 | Bibendus | *wrap wrap* |
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| 19:39.21 | JademusSreg | pewz |
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| 20:09.35 | Motive | The quality of writing in "Surviving In Apocalypse" makes me cry |
| 20:10.14 | JademusSreg | Tears or joy or despair? |
| 20:10.17 | JademusSreg | *of |
| 20:10.39 | Motive | Despair |
| 20:10.49 | Motive | It doesn't make any sense, and it's horrible :( |
| 20:12.29 | JademusSreg | I haven't played it. |
| 20:12.56 | Motive | I'm all for a good map about the apocalypse, but please write it well |
| 20:13.44 | JademusSreg | Like the Christian eschatological myth or apocalypse in the generic sense? |
| 20:13.59 | Motive | Map Description: "World have been destroyed by humans. Now it is time to face their consequences. With unidentified virus infection. Now only you and your friends are the only people who has abilities to stop this madness and be a hero. Find the source of this apocalypse and the virus." |
| 20:14.02 | Motive | Any senes. |
| 20:14.08 | Motive | Generic sense* |
| 20:14.20 | Motive | The in-game story telling manages to not improve on that map description |
| 20:14.36 | Motive | You just wake up in a place where infested humans are rooting for the apocalypse and for you to join them. Wtf. |
| 20:14.56 | Motive | It's not like you just woke up one day and the world ended. (And if so, please tell me. 28 days later pulled it off) |
| 20:15.47 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:16.18 | JademusSreg | "I've been taking a nap this whole time? Hey stranger, can you provide me with poorly written exposition?" |
| 20:16.38 | Motive | Pretty much |
| 20:16.39 | Motive | Lol |
| 20:17.58 | Motive | I wish SC2 players actually paid attention to that stuff |
| 20:19.29 | JademusSreg | Ya know, I would write map reviews, only I don't read other map reviews and similarly I don't expect anyone would give a shit. |
| 20:19.37 | Motive | :p |
| 20:20.44 | JademusSreg | I shall take that ambiguous emote as "Yes, you are correct. I, too, am sensible enough to admit that I don't give a shit." |
| 20:21.44 | JademusSreg | Of course, I still enjoy expressing criticism, so I find opportunity to do it in the course of discussions about maps. =D |
| 20:23.51 | JademusSreg | It's kind of funny though, in a similar sense, how persistent people are about streams and promotion of their niche within a niche within a niche, a matryoshka of niches. |
| 20:26.28 | JademusSreg | A map reviewer or mod streamer might get dozens of followers at best. Seems like a poor investment of energy. |
| 20:26.54 | JademusSreg | Energy perhaps better allocate toward working on projects about which the person feels more passionately. |
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| 21:36.04 | UloseTheGame | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296756 can someone help test? |
| 21:36.13 | UloseTheGame | I need CODES people! |
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| 22:02.21 | RipperRoo | wow this channel has never been that emtpy |
| 22:02.28 | RipperRoo | happy xmas everyone :D |
| 22:02.58 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 22:03.13 | RipperRoo | what ? :D |
| 22:03.43 | Xaragoth | happy winter-eenmas |
| 22:03.44 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 22:04.17 | RipperRoo | hey is it possible that someone is in this channel with sum sony vegas experience ? XD |
| 22:04.42 | RipperRoo | im importing a video but it doesnt load the whole audio track so about the alf is soundless =( thats sad |
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