| 00:17.40 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/White-Ra |
| 00:43.22 | CryptRat | Does Wait For Condition do anything in particular that can't be implemented with a while loop? |
| 01:04.34 | Ahli | I guess not |
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| 01:28.34 | CryptRat | I see. |
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| 01:53.09 | Cardinal_ | shameless plug of beta recruitment: [EU only] |
| 01:53.10 | Cardinal_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/29747-kingdom-of-strife-alpha-testers-eu/ |
| 01:53.39 | Cardinal_ | First 10 applicants get custom model textures unlocked through unique banks to make them stand out from the crowd when playing final release :3 |
| 01:53.52 | Cardinal_ | ./resuming normal activities |
| 01:53.54 | Cardinal_ | Hello sc2mapsters |
| 01:54.47 | JademusSreg | Hu |
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| 02:32.08 | Dustin | sup |
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| 02:57.45 | Cardinal_ | yo, I've got a script compile error - can anyone halp? |
| 02:58.11 | Cardinal_ | Parameter type does not match the function definition |
| 02:58.19 | Cardinal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.29 | Cardinal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.51 | Dustin | Youre sending a paramter to a function that isnt the right type |
| 02:59.23 | Dustin | Like youre sending an int when it needs a string etc |
| 02:59.41 | Cardinal_ | I guessed that much :D! But, there doesn't appear to be any discrepencies |
| 03:00.07 | Cardinal_ | error line 2: text tag is creating a ((text((real(variable which is real))) |
| 03:00.17 | Dustin | I dont know what the params are for each of those functions or I could skim it and tell you |
| 03:00.35 | Cardinal_ | error line 1: setting picked units Energy to (real) + (real) |
| 03:01.10 | Cardinal_ | If I converted the GUI into some nice readable format would you might taking a peek? |
| 03:01.57 | Dustin | can you just send me the map? |
| 03:02.14 | Dustin | and ill debug it |
| 03:03.04 | Dustin | You're using GUI right? |
| 03:03.04 | Cardinal_ | Hmm. I would rather export this trigger into a blank map and have you do that :p either way, here it is if you can take a http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=2745 ;D |
| 03:03.09 | Cardinal_ | Yessir |
| 03:04.23 | Dustin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.29 | Dustin | Energy gain is already a real |
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| 03:04.35 | Dustin | So no need for that |
| 03:05.07 | Cardinal_ | Ah, makes sense :) that's it fixed |
| 03:05.10 | Dustin | I dont know if energy set requires an int or real though |
| 03:05.30 | Cardinal_ | Didn't think the logic/syntax would be so anal as to not being able to convert a string into a string, for example. |
| 03:05.38 | Cardinal_ | Nice to know someone up there is keeping my redundancies in check |
| 03:05.45 | Dustin | hehe |
| 03:07.01 | Cardinal_ | And now for a purely theoretical and conceptual question. |
| 03:07.18 | Cardinal_ | In a turn based strategy game, where units have a limited amount of 'Action Points' to attack, move, use skills etc each turn. |
| 03:07.49 | Cardinal_ | Would you rather be rewarded more points for spending as much energy as you can each turn? Or would you rather have judicious and tactical sparing of energy grant you a larger recoup on energy each turn? |
| 03:08.33 | Cardinal_ | The current implementation is in the latter form. And will hopefully allow units a 'Recover' ability which costs 'x' amounts of points, but guarantees a large return on AP for the next turn. |
| 03:09.04 | Dustin | Less usage = more gain |
| 03:09.13 | Dustin | So you have to be wary on your attacks |
| 03:09.28 | Dustin | You can either have a big output at first, or have medium output longer |
| 03:09.33 | Cardinal_ | Good. :) that was my reasoning also |
| 03:09.49 | Dustin | I made a turn based grid based rpg/ arena map in wc3 |
| 03:10.02 | Dustin | Was pretty cool |
| 03:10.32 | Cardinal_ | Really? I thought you were the lead designer of Starcraft 2? |
| 03:10.34 | Cardinal_ | :p |
| 03:10.54 | Cardinal_ | Working on any SC2 projects? I'm new to mapsters community |
| 03:10.56 | Dustin | Ya, I give personal tech support for the editor on a random irc channel :P |
| 03:11.05 | Cardinal_ | haha that'd be the day :) |
| 03:11.09 | Dustin | hehe ya |
| 03:11.33 | Dustin | I prob will when I own my own badass game studio |
| 03:11.42 | Cardinal_ | Get in line, chief. |
| 03:12.03 | Dustin | Fuck the lines, im cutting :D |
| 03:12.26 | Cardinal_ | I always cut the lines, then they end up in my nostrils. |
| 03:12.30 | Dustin | hehe |
| 03:13.35 | Cardinal_ | Want a part time job documenting my design approach? You'll need pro excel skills |
| 03:13.47 | Cardinal_ | Oh, and part time means unpaid |
| 03:14.40 | Dustin | I got enough of my own projects to focus on right now :P |
| 03:16.05 | Cardinal_ | well, that in itself is an exercise in futility... how can one 'focus' on many things? :p |
| 03:16.13 | Cardinal_ | Pick one, get it done. |
| 03:20.09 | Dustin | No time to focus on one thing, I got 5 things that need to be done yesterday :P |
| 03:20.14 | CryptRat | What makes something fun? |
| 03:20.26 | Dustin | Many things |
| 03:20.35 | Dustin | which vary person to person |
| 03:20.44 | Cardinal_ | the individualist and subjective nature which each and everyone of us find to be 'fun' |
| 03:21.14 | CryptRat | How a out unclear goals and objectives? |
| 03:21.18 | CryptRat | *about |
| 03:21.31 | Dustin | thats not fun |
| 03:21.37 | CryptRat | Why not? |
| 03:21.48 | Dustin | Because i like knowing what im supposed to do |
| 03:21.55 | Cardinal_ | Because dustin hates minecraft. |
| 03:22.01 | Dustin | I love minecraft |
| 03:22.12 | Cardinal_ | Ahh, subjectivity :p |
| 03:22.20 | CryptRat | Why is it important to know what one ought to do? |
| 03:22.41 | Dustin | Because without that knowledgei s it really a game |
| 03:22.56 | Dustin | Or a personal discovery tool |
| 03:23.32 | CryptRat | Ok, what about you're given two sets of objectives and told that only one of them are correct? |
| 03:23.50 | Dustin | Id ask correct in what sense |
| 03:23.55 | Dustin | Is it a blind gamble |
| 03:24.00 | CryptRat | Yes |
| 03:24.17 | Dustin | Then id know my objective is to make the right choice |
| 03:24.28 | Cardinal_ | Mmm, objectivitiy :D |
| 03:24.33 | CryptRat | You're making that assumtion based on what knowledge? |
| 03:24.49 | Dustin | That one option is correct which means the other isnt |
| 03:25.01 | Dustin | Which gives me some sense to do something |
| 03:25.07 | Dustin | I want to beat it |
| 03:25.17 | Dustin | I want to make the correct choice |
| 03:25.18 | CryptRat | How many alternatives can I give you before you give up and lose. |
| 03:25.20 | CryptRat | ? |
| 03:25.55 | Dustin | Depends on my mood and what insentive I have to keep trying my blind luck |
| 03:26.05 | CryptRat | Clearly, an infinite number of choices or at least the illusion of infinite choices will cause you to quit. |
| 03:26.22 | Dustin | Not necessarily |
| 03:26.30 | Dustin | If I had a reason to contine |
| 03:26.45 | Dustin | IE better loot |
| 03:26.45 | Cardinal_ | Personally, this doesn't equate to my understanding of fun. |
| 03:27.09 | CryptRat | No nonono. There is not "loot." Each time you play, you start from scratch. |
| 03:27.09 | Dustin | Fun to me is skill |
| 03:27.20 | Dustin | Ya, that doesnt sound fun |
| 03:27.34 | Dustin | Luck = not fun |
| 03:27.39 | Dustin | Skill = fun |
| 03:27.42 | CryptRat | very well. |
| 03:27.50 | Dustin | Knowing I acomplished something |
| 03:28.01 | CryptRat | Assume then that you find out the true objective when only 25% of the time remains. |
| 03:28.07 | Cardinal_ | Fun = competitive gameplay, easy to learn and become immersed in, taking dedication and skill to master. |
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| 03:28.31 | Dustin | Id get bored before that time probably |
| 03:28.34 | Dustin | And stop playing |
| 03:28.37 | Cardinal_ | To me, that sounds very linear and I would most likely rage quit knowing I had just wasted 75% of my time. |
| 03:28.52 | CryptRat | Really? |
| 03:29.02 | Cardinal_ | Theres only so many times I will fall down a pit before realising I can double jump. |
| 03:29.09 | CryptRat | You don't think you'd find ways of making the most of 75% of the time when you don't know what you need to do? |
| 03:29.45 | Dustin | Nope |
| 03:29.56 | Dustin | As I said I dont like not knowing what Im supposed to be doing |
| 03:30.12 | Dustin | If the game is a sandbox game where I do whatever I want, I know thats what it is |
| 03:30.30 | CryptRat | Let's remove the nebulous terms here. |
| 03:31.33 | Cardinal_ | You're not giving us very much to go on |
| 03:32.06 | CryptRat | You're teamed with everyone else playing the game and working to achieve minor side objectives and acquire resources. Sometime late in the game, some segment of the players switch sides and the objectives change for them and directly oppose the rest of the group. |
| 03:33.26 | CryptRat | In this instance, there are two conflicting objectives you may be asked to do, but you have no way of knowing which of the two you'll have to do. |
| 03:33.29 | Cardinal_ | Now we have elements of competition, politics, demand/supply and economics |
| 03:33.37 | Cardinal_ | And subversion. |
| 03:33.45 | Cardinal_ | All of a sudden, this is sounding a lot more fun. |
| 03:33.49 | CryptRat | Does the situation I described conflict with the earlier version? |
| 03:35.12 | Cardinal_ | Well, of course. |
| 03:35.20 | CryptRat | Where, specifically? |
| 03:35.36 | Cardinal_ | Earlier you were telling me there were no objectives. Now all of a sudden I am teamed with other people, there are side objectives, there are resources etc. |
| 03:35.52 | CryptRat | The side objectives do not win you the game. |
| 03:36.12 | Cardinal_ | So what purpose do they serve? |
| 03:36.24 | CryptRat | Rudimentary player progression. |
| 03:36.57 | CryptRat | Although, with the latter situation, they would presumably prevent you from losing the game. |
| 03:37.10 | Cardinal_ | So, if Player A does 10 side-objectives, whereas Player B afk's for 30 minutes and can still end up winning the game? Despite Player A's 'progression'? |
| 03:37.45 | CryptRat | This hasn't been specified. |
| 03:37.47 | CryptRat | However, |
| 03:38.10 | Cardinal_ | Theorycrafting requires two things. A concept, and cold hard facts. |
| 03:38.16 | CryptRat | Clearly, to make the game play better, progression would matter in all cases. |
| 03:39.03 | Cardinal_ | Not necessarily, I find progression the best when it is the most subtle: Aka: Elder Scrolls or Dwarf Fortress. |
| 03:39.35 | Cardinal_ | I'm still doing the same things, I just have more dwarves or my lightning spell still tickles whatever it hits, I'm just hitting dragon priests instead of wolves. |
| 03:39.41 | CryptRat | I'm completely ignorant of the dynamics in those games. |
| 03:40.15 | Cardinal_ | Well, if you want to design or create games - you should start by playing them. |
| 03:41.00 | CryptRat | I would agree with that suggestion. That would certainly be ideal. |
| 03:43.10 | Cardinal_ | I started when I was 4 or 5 playing Lost Vikings and Civilizations 1. |
| 03:43.16 | Cardinal_ | You've got some catching up to do, boyo ;) |
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| 03:46.07 | LunarDoom | hi guys |
| 03:46.15 | LunarDoom | i need some help |
| 03:46.31 | JademusSreg | Go on. |
| 03:46.34 | LunarDoom | 00:02:41.88 Trigger Error in 'libEEEEEEEE_gt_ItemBuy_Func': Catalog entry '' was not found 00:02:41.88 Trigger Error in 'libEEEEEEEE_gt_ItemBuy_Func': Could not get 'entry' from parameter in 'CatalogFieldValueGet' (value: 65535) |
| 03:46.56 | JademusSreg | What library are you using? |
| 03:47.04 | LunarDoom | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/4446/ |
| 03:47.13 | LunarDoom | im makeing a hero attack map |
| 03:47.22 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you gave it a bad id. |
| 03:47.34 | LunarDoom | useing iequalse^npi's template |
| 03:47.45 | LunarDoom | see i know nothing at all about triggers |
| 03:47.49 | LunarDoom | lol |
| 03:48.24 | JademusSreg | I'm going to guess you either made a typo or put in the item name rather than the id. |
| 03:48.29 | LunarDoom | can you please look at the link and tell me which and how to modifiy this |
| 03:48.59 | LunarDoom | hmm iequalse^pi made the mod that has this libery |
| 03:49.09 | LunarDoom | i didnt make the libery |
| 03:49.13 | JademusSreg | I don't even know what it's supposed to do. |
| 03:49.14 | LunarDoom | xD |
| 03:49.35 | JademusSreg | And that's not galaxy, that raw GUI. |
| 03:50.14 | JademusSreg | One should always first suspect user error. |
| 03:50.19 | JademusSreg | So where are you using it? |
| 03:50.28 | LunarDoom | Hero attack |
| 03:50.50 | JademusSreg | That's not informative. |
| 03:50.50 | LunarDoom | my own vershion of it with permission of iequalsenpi |
| 03:50.53 | LunarDoom | xD |
| 03:51.07 | LunarDoom | 1 sec |
| 03:55.11 | LunarDoom | ah nevermind |
| 03:55.46 | LunarDoom | but anywho does iequalse^pi have a account on SC2mapster? |
| 03:56.46 | Cardinal_ | Does the queen use gmail? |
| 03:57.25 | LunarDoom | idk |
| 04:04.28 | Cardinal_ | Anyone know of a way to make units 'never push' each other? |
| 04:05.38 | Cardinal_ | I tried using "-1" as the Push Priority value for a Unit object but this gave undesirable results (obscene pathing) |
| 04:33.10 | Cardinal_ | live stream has an annoying 'transmission pending' thing covering half of it |
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| 14:55.26 | Dustin | What! |
| 14:55.35 | Dustin | someone made a ui dialog designer before blizz |
| 14:55.36 | Dustin | lawl |
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| 16:52.06 | Inaer | Are player groups separate from teams? |
| 16:59.39 | Xaragoth | http://youtu.be/A2Hvvs2QdPs |
| 16:59.41 | Xaragoth | fear them! |
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| 17:04.07 | CryptRat | My attack waves aren't targeting things properly. :| |
| 17:20.38 | Vailreth | hello |
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| 17:40.50 | xXdRaGoNrIdDeRXx | inaer i believe player groups are seperate from teams |
| 17:41.07 | Inaer | im having the hardest of times with this |
| 17:41.23 | Inaer | if you know how to set the camera bounds for a single player, please let me know |
| 17:41.46 | Inaer | im trying to add a single player to a player group, then set camera bounds for that player group |
| 17:41.52 | Inaer | galaxy hates me |
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| 18:12.21 | LunarDoom | ok, anyone know how to get the terrain object: (Monolith Light Bridge) to show the light bridge? T.T |
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| 18:14.08 | LunarDoom | ?? |
| 18:15.00 | LunarDoom | i tryed to put the dodad of the light bridge on it but in game it acts like its invisable |
| 18:15.34 | LunarDoom | i also did Show grid to confirm this |
| 18:15.55 | LunarDoom | and its hideing the terrain cells arcoss the bridge |
| 18:16.27 | LunarDoom | if i do show terrian cells arcoss the bridge then i get an unwanted sides |
| 18:16.54 | LunarDoom | and the dodad still overlaps the terrain at a zero height |
| 18:17.04 | LunarDoom | Q.Q |
| 18:18.13 | LunarDoom | The Terrian Hight of the Terrain object is Zero |
| 18:18.46 | LunarDoom | ello? |
| 18:19.01 | Inaer | patience |
| 18:19.03 | LunarDoom | kk |
| 18:21.09 | LunarDoom | xD |
| 18:26.43 | LunarDoom | ok, anyone know how to get the terrain object: (Monolith Light Bridge) to show the light bridge? T.T [13:13] == Ingela [~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #sc2mapster [13:14] <LunarDoom> ?? [13:14] <LunarDoom> i tryed to put the dodad of the light bridge on it but in game it acts like its invisable [13:15] <LunarDoom> i also did Show grid to confirm this [13:15] <LunarDoom> and its hideing the terrain cells |
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| 18:53.48 | saucysoup | so how do maps contain multiple maps within then? (for example in voting systems when you chose what map to play)... do they load new maps dynamically or is it all contained within the same terrain of one mega-map? |
| 18:53.53 | saucysoup | *them |
| 19:07.20 | Inaer | i have been told that its one map as you cant load more than one map in multiplayer, but you should wait for someone who may know for sure |
| 19:08.04 | saucysoup | i see, thank you |
| 19:08.31 | Inaer | in fact theres a group making a stargate rpg who wanted to do the same till they realised they cant. so now they are makingit a singleplayer mod |
| 19:28.34 | Inaer | how would i make a button on a unit that simply sets a variable? |
| 19:31.58 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 19:32.11 | Inaer | actually, lemme explain what im trying to do |
| 19:33.02 | JademusSreg | Soup, maps don't contain multiple maps inside them. There are maps that simulate that through clever terraining and by dynamically adjusting camera bounds. |
| 19:33.54 | Inaer | i need a way to take control of a vehicle by bringing a unit to a certain region. i need that vehicle to have a button on it to release control. imagine remote controlling a vehicle, so load and unloading units into it wont work |
| 19:37.22 | saucysoup | thanks jade |
| 19:37.29 | JademusSreg | One way is to give units with the ability to command the vehicle an ability, autocast or smart action and could also make it hidden if you want, and make that ability apply a buff to modify owner to caster owner. |
| 19:37.57 | JademusSreg | Then just give the unit an ability effect - instant that either removes the buff or applies a new buff that gives it back to neutral. |
| 19:38.16 | JademusSreg | Doesn't even need triggers. |
| 19:39.45 | JademusSreg | Also, if you want to limit the player to only remote controlling one vehicle at a time, add a requirement to the remote controlling ability that performs a global behavior check for the buff behavior that changes the owner. |
| 19:39.55 | Inaer | well aslo, once you take control of the vehicle you can no longer see or move your controller |
| 19:41.02 | JademusSreg | Ah, then make the remote control ability use a set effect; give thaty set effect the apply behavior effect for the target and another apply behavior effect to the caster to make the changes you want to it. |
| 19:41.19 | JademusSreg | Like Uncommandable. Or Hidden. |
| 19:42.18 | Inaer | you speak circles around me man lol |
| 19:42.26 | JademusSreg | The only trouble is regulating it; you may need to give it a validator to regulate its removal. |
| 19:44.01 | saucysoup | (need a good overall validator tutorial on mapster!) |
| 19:44.02 | JademusSreg | Orrr the behavior on the remote controlled unit could have an expire effect that uses a search area effect that removes the disabling behavior from Player units. |
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| 20:22.19 | ________________ | Sort of random, but are there any settings I can change in the editor so all my triggers & folders aren't defaulted to already opened when I open then map? |
| 20:22.33 | ________________ | It's annoying having to close them to keep things looking neat |
| 20:28.40 | JademusSreg | I don't have that issue. = |
| 20:28.42 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 20:28.53 | JademusSreg | Only the first folder is opened. |
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| 20:47.38 | ________________ | boooo, so its just me |
| 20:47.46 | ________________ | the editor hates me |
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| 21:28.07 | Cardinal_ | Yo yo, anyone around? |
| 21:29.19 | ________________ | ofc |
| 21:29.27 | JademusSreg | Always. |
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| 21:35.42 | ________________ | Oh no, now the points on my map stopped showing their names |
| 21:35.49 | ________________ | D: |
| 21:35.51 | JademusSreg | View |
| 21:36.01 | JademusSreg | That's in the View options. |
| 21:36.18 | JademusSreg | And the hotkey for it is easily mispressed. |
| 21:36.25 | JademusSreg | Probably toggled it by accident. |
| 21:37.07 | ________________ | Hmmm, ur right since now most of the things in view are greyed out |
| 21:37.12 | ________________ | now to figure out which did it |
| 21:37.32 | ________________ | o it was "lock game view settings" |
| 21:37.33 | ________________ | weird |
| 21:37.46 | JademusSreg | Hotkey V |
| 21:37.50 | JademusSreg | Yes, easily pressed. |
| 21:39.22 | ________________ | Hmmm |
| 21:39.41 | ________________ | now I'm super tired since I havn't slept, which is why i probably did that for the first time |
| 21:39.43 | ________________ | I can either |
| 21:39.57 | ________________ | Go longboard & practice my 180's, map, or sleep |
| 21:40.03 | ________________ | which shall i do jades |
| 21:40.14 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 21:40.29 | ________________ | booo, i wanted to practice |
| 21:40.47 | ________________ | ill hit a quick sesh then sleep |
| 21:40.48 | ________________ | :D |
| 21:41.08 | JademusSreg | Hah.\ |
| 21:42.31 | Cardinal_ | oh hai :) |
| 21:44.53 | Cardinal_ | actually quite amazed at how you can dynamically create terrains :) |
| 21:45.10 | Cardinal_ | although, think i'm running into a thread limit or something |
| 21:45.18 | JademusSreg | Or op limit. |
| 21:45.22 | JademusSreg | Depends on how you're doing it. |
| 21:45.49 | Cardinal_ | Don't you know me? I'm obviously doing it in the most inefficient and long-winded way possible. |
| 21:46.04 | JademusSreg | I always make that assumption about everyone. |
| 21:46.07 | Cardinal_ | :D |
| 21:46.20 | Cardinal_ | I like fleshing out the concept first, then optimising and perfecting it |
| 21:46.21 | JademusSreg | Though "long-winded" applies to rhetoric, not programming. =D |
| 21:46.43 | Cardinal_ | what is the op limit anyway? I presume operation limit |
| 21:47.07 | JademusSreg | Thread limit is 1024, op limit is around a million. |
| 21:47.26 | Cardinal_ | Eugh, there is no way my trigger is hitting either of those |
| 21:47.52 | JademusSreg | Around a million, because different operations take different amounts of time. |
| 21:48.06 | Cardinal_ | I'm simply adding circles to a region, spawning trees in them (randomly), storing their ID (circle as created), storing their centre point (again, as created) |
| 21:48.09 | JademusSreg | The time out limit on ops is around 100ms. |
| 21:48.21 | JademusSreg | That reminds me... |
| 21:48.44 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/SuperMapPOC.SC2Map |
| 21:48.52 | Cardinal_ | Well I think its a limit of some kind - Creating trees at random point in entire map... seems to only pick X by Y squares which it considers the map |
| 21:49.20 | JademusSreg | SuperMap procedurally generates terrain in repeatable patterns based on the X and Y seed values. |
| 21:49.44 | Cardinal_ | Sounds nice :) but, again... long-winded... I wanna create it all myself |
| 21:49.51 | JademusSreg | To increment or decrement X and Y seed values, move your unit to the edge of the map. |
| 21:50.03 | Cardinal_ | Will take a look regardless :) |
| 21:50.07 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
| 21:50.42 | JademusSreg | This was made many months ago, before I realized actors could be used to modify terrain. |
| 21:50.49 | Cardinal_ | Am I right in saying that the editor doesn't handle one large region (which has been created through adding circles to it) randomly? |
| 21:51.10 | JademusSreg | It doesn't mind. |
| 21:51.33 | JademusSreg | But compound shape regions can return null points when you try to get a random point from them. |
| 21:51.42 | Cardinal_ | So Region A which is really between 30 and 100 separate circles - causes no issues? |
| 21:51.56 | Cardinal_ | Ah, I'm not finding any issue in placing tree's at random points in my compound region |
| 21:52.07 | JademusSreg | There may be a shape limit; depends on how much memory the engine is wuilling to allocate. |
| 21:52.59 | Cardinal_ | Your map was evil, you never told me there were zergs |
| 21:53.08 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:53.12 | JademusSreg | You can recover your shields. |
| 21:53.15 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 21:53.29 | Cardinal_ | I only realised this after I noticed how bad my forcefield micro was and the banelings erupted. |
| 21:53.42 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:54.30 | Cardinal_ | I'm aiming to completely deform a 256x256 terrain, with hills, trees and rivers. Is it possible? |
| 21:54.35 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 21:54.47 | JademusSreg | The only challenging part is dynamic texturing. |
| 21:55.01 | JademusSreg | You'll need to apply Splats to accomplish that. |
| 21:55.11 | Cardinal_ | Players get to define how 'hilly' or 'wooded' or (eventually) 'populated' (NPC towns) the place is |
| 21:55.26 | JademusSreg | Challenging not to implement, but to make it not look like shit, I mean. |
| 21:55.30 | Cardinal_ | I was going to just paint textures over the blank canvas, and rely on the deforming to be 'random' enough to disguise it |
| 21:55.43 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 21:55.46 | JademusSreg | That wouldl ook shitty. |
| 21:55.53 | JademusSreg | Splats are easy enough to make. |
| 21:55.55 | Cardinal_ | A custom agria terrain with some more grass and dirt textures can work :p |
| 21:56.59 | Cardinal_ | But I agree, adding more dirt/sand around the river banks.. more grass in the wooded areas... would be better |
| 21:58.37 | Cardinal_ | Is it... 'bad'. using a Global array variable with size [100][100][100][100]? Due to the random nature of placing trees within the growing region, some region 'parts' are devoid of trees - and therefore would classify as 'wooded' without the player knowing |
| 21:59.15 | Cardinal_ | So I was going to store the centre x and y co-ordinates of each circle as it was created, the id of the circle as it was created, and the size of the circle. Then go through all the regions backwards, removing circle radii where there are no trees |
| 21:59.59 | JademusSreg | Why bother with all that nonsense? |
| 22:00.11 | JademusSreg | Destroy the old region, make a new one. |
| 22:00.21 | ________________ | damn that was a fun, but ella quick run around the neighborhood... now i feel like mapping again... i guess sleep is gonna wait a few more minutes |
| 22:00.45 | Cardinal_ | Because, jade, I need the entire region to be recognised. When units enter or leave Woods, Hills or Rivers they gain different combat bonnuses. |
| 22:04.16 | Cardinal_ | Also, can't even test a map with a global boolean variable [100][100][100][100]... not enough global size or something |
| 22:04.28 | ________________ | lol@ that size var |
| 22:05.29 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 22:05.53 | Cardinal_ | Might have to do a workaround |
| 22:05.58 | JademusSreg | I opine it would be easier to use units to apply those bonuses. |
| 22:06.02 | Cardinal_ | whereby instead of placing doodads, I place Tree Units which have an aura |
| 22:06.04 | Cardinal_ | ya.. |
| 22:06.07 | Cardinal_ | my thoughts exactly |
| 22:07.04 | Cardinal_ | Keep bouncing between... attempting something in triggers... resorting to Data editor... |
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| 22:15.35 | Cardinal_ | Is it possible to alter a Range actor to only display on minimap and not on the terrain? |
| 22:16.33 | JademusSreg | Perhaps. |
| 22:16.39 | JademusSreg | I'd never bothered to check. |
| 22:16.52 | Cardinal_ | Me neither until now :p |
| 22:17.41 | JademusSreg | Almost certainly. |
| 22:18.08 | JademusSreg | Just set the texture tint alpha channel to 0, or use a custom texture with an opaque alpha channel. |
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| 22:49.54 | Inaer | banks, data tables, catalogs... whats the difference? |
| 22:50.05 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:50.14 | HP-X|Arthas | same shit, different name! |
| 22:50.19 | JademusSreg | For one thing, the APIs are very different. |
| 22:50.20 | Inaer | is it really? |
| 22:50.21 | HP-X|Arthas | Trust me! |
| 22:50.26 | HP-X|Arthas | and no |
| 22:50.28 | HP-X|Arthas | it aint :p |
| 22:50.32 | HP-X|Arthas | listen to jade |
| 22:50.43 | HP-X|Arthas | althoug i really wanted to play terraria with him |
| 22:50.44 | JademusSreg | Banks store information in XML format between maps. |
| 22:50.58 | Inaer | ok, i kinda knew that one |
| 22:51.11 | JademusSreg | Data Tables store information in either local of global scopes. |
| 22:51.32 | JademusSreg | Catalogs are a way of looking up information defined in the Data. |
| 22:51.41 | Inaer | :/ |
| 22:51.43 | JademusSreg | Hi HP. =D |
| 22:51.51 | HP-X|Arthas | long time no see etc :D |
| 22:52.01 | HP-X|Arthas | how ar ethings |
| 22:52.02 | JademusSreg | Et cetera and so forth, yes. Haha |
| 22:52.15 | JademusSreg | Things are well. |
| 22:52.28 | JademusSreg | New Terraria update, two this month. |
| 22:52.35 | HP-X|Arthas | ay |
| 22:52.39 | JademusSreg | Hardmode is not full of pansies, I can say that. |
| 22:52.45 | HP-X|Arthas | already have hallow + weapons and legendary unreal etc |
| 22:53.04 | JademusSreg | I maxed out the mods on all my old high tier equipment. |
| 22:53.19 | JademusSreg | But I haven't gotten max tier gear in the new update. |
| 22:53.33 | HP-X|Arthas | quitting after killing wof with spawn in hell was stupid |
| 22:54.12 | JademusSreg | Legendary for melee, Mythic for spells, Unreal for projectiles, and Godly for miscellaneous weapons. |
| 22:54.32 | JademusSreg | And Warding on all my accessories, for a +20 to defense in total. |
| 22:54.47 | HP-X|Arthas | ya |
| 22:54.57 | HP-X|Arthas | +72 defense rocks |
| 22:55.28 | HP-X|Arthas | only use megashark though |
| 22:55.39 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:55.43 | HP-X|Arthas | err |
| 22:55.46 | HP-X|Arthas | for the ranged that is |
| 22:55.55 | HP-X|Arthas | then excalibur and phase for melee |
| 22:56.16 | JademusSreg | I'm stuck with a Legendary Night's Edge for now. |
| 22:57.14 | JademusSreg | Also, Ice Rod is awesome. |
| 22:57.15 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:57.21 | HP-X|Arthas | what are you missing for excalibur |
| 22:57.24 | JademusSreg | Great DPS/M |
| 22:57.44 | JademusSreg | Dunno what I need for Excalibur, since I don't check the wikis. =D |
| 22:57.52 | JademusSreg | That would take out all the fun. |
| 22:58.05 | HP-X|Arthas | most likely cobalt, mythril and admatite |
| 22:58.11 | HP-X|Arthas | + souls of might i guess |
| 22:58.28 | HP-X|Arthas | im not sure which has better dps though |
| 22:58.34 | HP-X|Arthas | phase or excalibur |
| 22:58.48 | HP-X|Arthas | with the knockback glove you keep enemies away and attack quickly with phase |
| 22:59.00 | JademusSreg | I can already make phase blades, but they deal less than Legendary NE. |
| 22:59.17 | JademusSreg | Phase *whatevers, |
| 22:59.18 | HP-X|Arthas | but its quicker! |
| 22:59.24 | JademusSreg | I forget the name of the high tier version. |
| 22:59.30 | HP-X|Arthas | phase |
| 22:59.34 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 23:00.15 | JademusSreg | As for the knockback glove, I have it, but I usually spec for novelty over quantitative improvements. |
| 23:01.33 | JademusSreg | Which means Lucky Obsidian Horseshoe, Spectre Boots, Cloud in a Balloon, Obsidian Shield, with the melee damage booster and Diving Gear in reserve, depending on the situation. |
| 23:02.12 | JademusSreg | Can't compromise on any of the first 4, since swapping out any one of those would be a huge reduction in capacility. |
| 23:02.18 | JademusSreg | *capability |
| 23:02.26 | HP-X|Arthas | im using angel wings, spectre boots, gloves, warrior charm and uhm |
| 23:02.33 | HP-X|Arthas | obsidian shield |
| 23:02.36 | HP-X|Arthas | all warding |
| 23:02.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:02.42 | JademusSreg | Same for me. |
| 23:02.46 | JademusSreg | Waaarding. |
| 23:02.51 | HP-X|Arthas | rocks |
| 23:02.52 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 23:02.56 | JademusSreg | Yessss. |
| 23:02.59 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 23:09.14 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 23:13.26 | HP-X|Arthas | re |
| 23:13.36 | HP-X|Arthas | so have you killed all the bosses |
| 23:14.14 | JademusSreg | Haven't gotten around to killing them. I need to tier up my gear first. |
| 23:14.36 | JademusSreg | I mean, old world bosses are pansies, but I'd rather not waste some souls conjuring one if I can't kill it. |
| 23:14.45 | JademusSreg | *conjuring a new world boss |
| 23:15.12 | HP-X|Arthas | wanna go at em? |
| 23:15.25 | HP-X|Arthas | i think i have souls for at least one |
| 23:16.08 | JademusSreg | Eventually. I'm still working on my strip mine world, boring holes and setting up quarantine walls to control the future spread of corruption and hallow. |
| 23:16.25 | JademusSreg | It's an easy world I'm fortifying to prepare for hardmode. |
| 23:18.08 | HP-X|Arthas | we can go to my world :p |
| 23:20.22 | JademusSreg | Watching my daughter, atm. Can't allocate the time to it until later tonight. |
| 23:20.51 | HP-X|Arthas | oh, alright |
| 23:21.00 | HP-X|Arthas | getting late here fast :D |
| 23:21.08 | HP-X|Arthas | some other day perhaps |
| 23:21.27 | JademusSreg | Time, the ultimate asset. |
| 23:25.00 | HP-X|Arthas | indeed |
| 23:25.08 | HP-X|Arthas | also working this weekend so no time there |