| 00:00.10 | JademusSreg | Hi |
| 00:03.22 | JademusSreg | When was his topic started? |
| 00:03.35 | JademusSreg | Also, it's not terribly similar. |
| 00:03.49 | JademusSreg | It just happens to have three factions. |
| 00:04.05 | JademusSreg | I wouildn't worry about it. |
| 00:04.36 | JademusSreg | And hey, if this guy's map becomes popular, you'll have an excellent reason to kill yourself. |
| 00:07.15 | Bounty | he has a tug element to |
| 00:07.21 | Bounty | the same way the viking works |
| 00:07.29 | Bounty | i dont think thats coincidence JademusSreg |
| 00:07.50 | Bounty | and its clear that map didnt take the 5-8 months he claims |
| 00:07.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:08.27 | Unlike_Lester | Competition is only good. |
| 00:08.38 | Bounty | not arguing that |
| 00:08.42 | Bounty | but hes like |
| 00:08.45 | Bounty | "TriFaction? Never heard of it" |
| 00:08.53 | Bounty | its on the front page |
| 00:09.00 | Bounty | like a few days before he posts that map |
| 00:09.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:09.15 | Bounty | o well |
| 00:09.34 | Ahli | that can be true, bounty. I wonder when egodbout found out that I made a diablo 1 map, too. |
| 00:09.49 | Bounty | thats diff |
| 00:09.55 | Bounty | its diablo lol |
| 00:10.02 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 00:10.14 | Unlike_Lester | How's that different? |
| 00:10.14 | Bounty | nobody had done ne map like TriFaction in sc2 before |
| 00:10.25 | Unlike_Lester | It's very likely that many people have the same ideas, or similar ones |
| 00:10.30 | Ahli | is your map about mining, too? |
| 00:10.40 | Bounty | so it just so happens to have 3 factions |
| 00:10.44 | Bounty | with a tug of war boss |
| 00:10.53 | Bounty | that flips when u defeat him |
| 00:10.54 | Bounty | and its dota like |
| 00:11.20 | Bounty | and it gets posted like 5+ days after TriFaction was newsed lol |
| 00:11.22 | Bounty | just sayin |
| 00:11.29 | Bounty | i could be wrong |
| 00:11.36 | Bounty | but that map doesnt look like it was made over a long period of time |
| 00:11.46 | Ahli | just make your map better. yours looks better tbh ;D |
| 00:12.03 | Bounty | lol i dont see his map as a threat |
| 00:12.05 | Bounty | im just sayin |
| 00:12.10 | Unlike_Lester | three faction aos style is also with borrowed elements from that warcraft 3 map:P |
| 00:12.12 | Bounty | its lame to just be like "Huh? never heard of it" |
| 00:12.53 | Unlike_Lester | (which I don't remember the name of) |
| 00:13.03 | Ahli | capturing neutral monsters = blizzard dota |
| 00:13.25 | Ahli | maybe used earlier in other games |
| 00:14.40 | Ahli | btw, I'm making a dota map, too ;D but it's based of the most successful scbw dota type map. |
| 00:14.53 | Unlike_Lester | hey Bounty, is trifaction 2v2v2? |
| 00:15.17 | Bounty | 4v4v4 |
| 00:15.36 | Unlike_Lester | So there's one other small difference then:P |
| 00:15.44 | Bounty | lol? |
| 00:15.52 | Unlike_Lester | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/fury-under-stars/ |
| 00:16.21 | Bounty | if i made Starcraft with 1 less faction, it would still bea fucking ripoff |
| 00:16.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:16.32 | Bounty | why am i even here |
| 00:16.40 | Bounty | i forgot everytime i say something i get bombarded |
| 00:16.42 | Bounty | >< |
| 00:16.45 | Unlike_Lester | haha |
| 00:17.02 | Unlike_Lester | I gotta go brush my teeth anyways |
| 00:17.09 | Unlike_Lester | So never mind ;) |
| 00:17.18 | Ahli | just make your map better quality wise... end of story |
| 00:17.45 | Bounty | i said im not threatened |
| 00:17.52 | Bounty | i just dont like that if he actually was inspired |
| 00:17.57 | Bounty | he denies my map exists |
| 00:17.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:18.08 | Unlike_Lester | Oh, he did? |
| 00:18.12 | Ahli | but maybe... he wasn't inspired... |
| 00:19.17 | Ahli | the only thing I saw is the same is capture monsters, but that is a bit of an transformation of Blizzard's dota vid onto an 3-base dota |
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| 02:03.35 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 02:03.39 | Bounty | You there? |
| 02:03.48 | Bounty | You to Sixen |
| 02:03.51 | Bounty | You there? |
| 02:08.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:08.06 | JademusSreg | Such impatience. |
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| 02:47.33 | Motive | Anyone here a fan of Windows BAT scripting? |
| 02:47.35 | Motive | If so, I have a treat ;) |
| 02:47.54 | JademusSreg | Everyone is idle. =D |
| 02:48.12 | Motive | http://pastebin.com/n7GkpNJE |
| 02:48.18 | Motive | Look at that horrible, horrible thing |
| 02:49.18 | JademusSreg | I've not worked with that language, haha. |
| 02:49.44 | Vailreth | fooms |
| 02:49.48 | Motive | It's not a language |
| 02:49.50 | Motive | it's a BEAST |
| 02:49.55 | JademusSreg | RAWR |
| 02:49.57 | Motive | but seriously, look at that chmod |
| 02:50.04 | Motive | it even NEEDS the chmod for some reason or the rsync won't work on resumed files |
| 02:50.09 | Motive | why? because it's cygwin |
| 02:50.12 | Motive | /shudder |
| 02:52.57 | Deaod | why do you even need cygwin? |
| 02:53.00 | Motive | rsync |
| 02:53.05 | Motive | there's no windows port |
| 02:53.07 | Motive | except cygwin... |
| 02:53.09 | Motive | /shudder |
| 02:53.28 | Deaod | now i have to read up on what rsync does... |
| 02:53.28 | Motive | so I made a little mini-cygwin install for rsync and chmod |
| 02:53.41 | Motive | rsync just does what it sounds like, syncs files from a remote server |
| 02:53.53 | Motive | so it's good for an update server |
| 03:02.11 | Motive | Now for the 15GB upload... |
| 03:02.13 | Motive | :( |
| 03:04.07 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/OptionsHidden.jpg |
| 03:04.09 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/OptionsVisible.jpg |
| 03:04.33 | JademusSreg | That ought to help reduce the number of shitty options people select. |
| 03:05.34 | Motive | Haha |
| 03:05.38 | Motive | Looks sexy |
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| 03:06.14 | Bounty | Starting a revolution on Custom Map Forums >< |
| 03:06.24 | Bounty | Feel free to join in |
| 03:06.25 | Bounty | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3754645556 |
| 03:06.41 | Motive | The lag is so bad |
| 03:06.44 | Motive | Help me please. |
| 03:08.33 | Deaod | wait, why are you playing WoW? |
| 03:09.05 | Motive | I'm not. I'm uploading the WoW client to my server |
| 03:09.18 | Motive | as for why I'm doing that... I'm working on a private server project |
| 03:09.30 | Motive | since 4.0.6 requires some very specific client settings, I'm betting that most people have a hard time with it... |
| 03:09.36 | Motive | easiest way to fix? Automate it for them. |
| 03:10.01 | Deaod | so the script is for clients |
| 03:10.11 | Deaod | mkay |
| 03:10.12 | Motive | Yes |
| 03:10.16 | Motive | The client runs it, and it either |
| 03:10.24 | Motive | a) downloads the entire 15GB WoW client to their HD |
| 03:10.31 | Motive | b) downloads what parts they don't have or updates parts that have changed |
| 03:10.40 | Motive | kind of like Blizzard's launcher, but less fancy |
| 03:11.12 | Motive | A lot less fancy... |
| 03:11.13 | Motive | Lol |
| 03:12.58 | Deaod | meh, it works, doesnt it? |
| 03:13.16 | Motive | Yeah, it'll work once I upload the client to the server |
| 03:13.42 | Motive | Nobody else has this yet afaik, so it's a pretty major advantage for when I'm open |
| 03:13.57 | Motive | "Want to play? Download this file, open it, wait for it to download and setup for you. No effort." |
| 03:14.39 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 03:14.57 | Deaod | i would upload two WoW clients |
| 03:15.03 | Deaod | modified and unmodified |
| 03:15.19 | Motive | well see, thats the beauty of it |
| 03:15.26 | Motive | if you don't want to break your vanilla install, just put it in another folder |
| 03:15.30 | Motive | it'll download the files there. |
| 03:15.38 | Deaod | mmmmh |
| 03:15.48 | Motive | only potential risk is |
| 03:15.53 | Motive | the extreme amount of bandwidth usage |
| 03:16.02 | Deaod | of what? |
| 03:16.08 | Motive | downloading the WoW client |
| 03:16.22 | Deaod | you should never download the whole WoW client again |
| 03:16.31 | Deaod | if you already have a vanilla version |
| 03:16.42 | Deaod | duplicate locally |
| 03:16.46 | Deaod | and then update |
| 03:16.59 | Motive | logical, but a lot of people are stupid |
| 03:17.13 | Motive | I have a server with volumedrive that has a shared unmetered 100 Mbit pipe so I'm not too worried. |
| 03:17.29 | Motive | If it picks up, I'll get a 2nd box with them just for serving files so the other pipe isn't saturated |
| 03:19.32 | JademusSreg | I think it might not be prudent to discuss such things in a channel with public logged messages. =D |
| 03:20.05 | Motive | Why? :P |
| 03:20.56 | JademusSreg | I expect Blizzard might not look kindly upon it. |
| 03:22.45 | Deaod | Motive, where do you live? |
| 03:22.45 | Motive | Houston, TX |
| 03:22.45 | Deaod | awww |
| 03:22.45 | Motive | If Blizzard wanted to shut me down they'd send me a DMCA, and I'd comply |
| 03:22.45 | JademusSreg | It's probably completely under their radar; there are larger operations that would get their attention long before yours would, but it seems incautious. |
| 03:22.45 | Motive | not really much to it more than that |
| 03:22.45 | Motive | why deaod? |
| 03:22.45 | Deaod | other countries protect such things |
| 03:23.13 | Motive | I like it in the US :) |
| 03:23.21 | Motive | Only other country I could ever live in is the UK, and I'd get fucked there too |
| 03:23.56 | Deaod | why couldnt you live in another country? |
| 03:24.34 | Motive | Just couldn't see myself doing it. |
| 03:40.28 | Dustin | Ashamed |
| 03:41.02 | Dustin | ~seen Ashamed |
| 03:41.07 | purl | ashamed is currently on #sc2mapster (1d 12h 35m 26s). Has said a total of 147 messages. Is idling for 1d 7h 44m 6s, last said: 'so you guys have a good weekend'. |
| 03:41.28 | Dustin | He must have gone somewhere |
| 03:41.30 | Dustin | Damn |
| 04:20.27 | Vailreth | nmad |
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| 05:43.45 | Frostwind | Anyone know the correct way to move spells on the command card using catalogs? |
| 06:01.56 | Kueken | Afaik, there is no easy way to do this |
| 06:02.20 | Kueken | however, you can try to change the initial effects for the abilities |
| 06:02.29 | JademusSreg | Try my suggestion last night? |
| 06:02.49 | Kueken | care to explain? me interested :D |
| 06:03.16 | JademusSreg | It's all rather dull. He wants to move charge to a different column |
| 06:03.28 | JademusSreg | And he had [5] for the LayoutButtons index. |
| 06:03.57 | JademusSreg | But since Charge is the 7th button, it should be [6], I think. |
| 06:04.06 | Kueken | you cannot change the button position with catalogs at all, afaik |
| 06:04.08 | Kueken | can you? |
| 06:04.15 | JademusSreg | I'm unaware. |
| 06:04.25 | Kueken | I am pretty sure I tried before |
| 06:04.31 | JademusSreg | I know there are things that cannot be changed, but I do not recall what specifically. |
| 06:04.53 | Kueken | usually, you can change everything you can select for change in an upgrade |
| 06:05.03 | Kueken | other than that, I don't know a pattern |
| 06:05.48 | Frostwind | I tried CatalogFieldValueSet (c_gameCatalogUnit, "Marine", "CardLayouts[0].LayoutButtons[5].Column",1,"1"); but didn't work |
| 06:05.57 | JademusSreg | Did you try [6] |
| 06:06.00 | Frostwind | yes |
| 06:06.04 | Frostwind | same error |
| 06:06.14 | JademusSreg | What is the error message? |
| 06:06.27 | Kueken | error: could not be written or something? |
| 06:06.34 | Frostwind | it can't write. |
| 06:06.40 | JademusSreg | Then it's impossible. |
| 06:06.58 | Kueken | just looked at upgrades, you cannot modify the unit abilities or command card |
| 06:07.09 | Kueken | I suggest |
| 06:07.10 | JademusSreg | Workaround using a morph instead. |
| 06:07.16 | Kueken | either that |
| 06:07.33 | Kueken | or you use a workaround involving one ability template for each slot |
| 06:07.34 | Frostwind | its for multiple abilities |
| 06:07.37 | JademusSreg | Or put it in both slots and toggle via requirement. |
| 06:07.41 | Frostwind | not just a single ability |
| 06:07.54 | Kueken | you can switch out the initial effects for each ability |
| 06:07.59 | Frostwind | actually every ability |
| 06:08.04 | Kueken | technically switching the entire ability |
| 06:08.23 | Kueken | you can modify cooldowns, tooltips mana costs name etc... |
| 06:08.27 | Frostwind | Can catalogs change the tooltip and name? |
| 06:08.32 | Kueken | would not be easy but should work |
| 06:08.35 | Frostwind | and icon? |
| 06:08.40 | Kueken | yes, they can |
| 06:09.49 | Frostwind | Can you modify the spell from say an instant cast spell with no target to one that targets a unit and has a cast time? |
| 06:09.58 | Frostwind | with catalogs only |
| 06:11.45 | Kueken | no, but you could add 2 templates to each slot |
| 06:11.52 | Kueken | swapt them using requirements |
| 06:12.04 | Kueken | 1 for instant, 1 for target |
| 06:12.12 | Kueken | you usually won't need any other types |
| 06:13.22 | Frostwind | some target abilities are ground and some point |
| 06:13.46 | Kueken | that is defined by the ability effect |
| 06:14.00 | Kueken | so effect - target works for both |
| 06:15.38 | Kueken | its just a theory, though. I think, it can work, but I never actually tried it myself |
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| 06:37.57 | Bounty | JademusSreg! |
| 06:55.10 | JademusSreg | Goddamn, we needs more patience. |
| 06:55.14 | JademusSreg | *he |
| 07:01.01 | Kueken | I think the "we" wasn't such a bad idea, as well |
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| 07:23.23 | Sixen | anyone know what bounty wanted? |
| 07:25.47 | JademusSreg | Something about the drop bug. |
| 07:25.52 | Kueken | a little rage, a little whine, the usual ;) |
| 07:25.52 | JademusSreg | I expect. |
| 07:26.24 | Kueken | maybe check his thread on battle.net? |
| 07:26.29 | Kueken | :D |
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| 10:03.31 | Mathies | So... is there a way to move a bunch of local trigger variables into global? |
| 10:04.18 | A1win | don't think so... not with using the GUI |
| 10:06.28 | Mathies | Are variable-links exclusive to local? As in, if I created identical variables globally, would the variable-links in my trigger be maintained? |
| 10:07.25 | A1win | global variables have a different (hidden) prefix in their name as local variables |
| 10:07.28 | Mathies | I just made a monster of a trigger and I realized that the way I'm using it, the variables had to be global and I'm an idiot; re-doing it from hand, while possible... a few hours. |
| 10:07.49 | A1win | sounds like a badly designed trigger :3 |
| 10:07.58 | Mathies | uhmm |
| 10:09.14 | A1win | how many variables are there? |
| 10:09.29 | A1win | and what are they for |
| 10:10.11 | Mathies | 7 variables |
| 10:10.31 | Mathies | One is a randomly generated number for picking a random player |
| 10:10.40 | A1win | what's the problem then o: |
| 10:10.45 | Mathies | err |
| 10:10.48 | A1win | just make new 7 variables and change the references |
| 10:10.59 | Mathies | its not the amount of variables |
| 10:11.01 | Mathies | its the amount of references |
| 10:11.04 | A1win | <.< |
| 10:11.53 | Mathies | Its the entire system, including logic, for determining who is on which team |
| 10:12.02 | A1win | well nothing much you can do, it'd be super easy by using galaxy script but then you wouldn't really be able to use the GUI anymore ;p |
| 10:12.11 | A1win | ._x |
| 10:12.23 | Mathies | could I theoretically edit the Triggers file? |
| 10:12.40 | A1win | only if you stop using the GUI after that |
| 10:12.45 | Mathies | hrmm |
| 10:12.45 | A1win | I think |
| 10:12.54 | A1win | not sure actually |
| 10:13.04 | A1win | but no idea how you'd go about that either |
| 10:13.36 | A1win | haven't looked into what the trigger files look like |
| 10:13.46 | Mathies | its xml |
| 10:13.53 | A1win | no it's not :P |
| 10:14.03 | A1win | or is it? |
| 10:14.04 | A1win | x_X |
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| 10:14.12 | Mathies | opening line of trigger file: |
| 10:14.12 | A1win | why'd it be xml D: |
| 10:14.12 | Mathies | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> |
| 10:14.24 | Mathies | Are you talking about the MapScript or the Trigger file? |
| 10:14.32 | Mathies | MapScript is the triggers compiled from the Trigger file XML |
| 10:14.37 | A1win | ah, so the xml is just converted into the map script |
| 10:14.43 | A1win | yeah makes sense ;p |
| 10:14.44 | Mathies | and then the Trigger file is deleted on publish |
| 10:15.00 | Mathies | well, in the published version |
| 10:15.08 | A1win | so yeah you can probably edit it |
| 10:15.21 | A1win | as long as you know what you need to edit D: |
| 10:16.00 | Mathies | Nevermind, fuckkkkkk |
| 10:16.18 | Mathies | The triggers are all assigned IDs and the IDs are contained in a seperate file |
| 10:16.26 | A1win | :I |
| 10:16.37 | Mathies | I apologize if profanity is prohibited here |
| 10:17.11 | Unlike_Lester | The xml file is only used for the editor to load the script |
| 10:17.32 | Unlike_Lester | But yeah, good luck working with that one:P |
| 10:17.38 | Mathies | yea... |
| 10:18.14 | Mathies | So, idk if you read the entire conversation Unlike_Lester, but, do you happen to know if theres a way to move local variables (and their respective references) to global? |
| 10:18.41 | A1win | well, you could always set the local variables as the global variables, and then set them at the end of the trigger |
| 10:18.48 | A1win | if you're feeling lazy ;p |
| 10:19.10 | A1win | local variable = global variable; trigger stuff; global variable = local variable |
| 10:19.16 | Mathies | Ahah |
| 10:19.23 | Mathies | Thats going to be faster, |
| 10:19.43 | Mathies | than re-referencing everything |
| 10:20.00 | Unlike_Lester | Mathies, nah, not what I know of |
| 10:20.20 | Mathies | Would that be quantifiably detrimental to performance though, A1win ? |
| 10:20.28 | Unlike_Lester | About what A1win said I think, then you'd be better off doing it in galaxy, but then you would skip using GUI already |
| 10:20.50 | A1win | Mathies, nothing to worry about performance with setting variables |
| 10:21.11 | A1win | you could probably set tens or hundreds of thousands of variables during one server frame |
| 10:21.15 | A1win | *game frame |
| 10:21.22 | Mathies | Ok, lol |
| 10:21.27 | Unlike_Lester | If the scripting language was multithreaded, that's what you would do anyways, so it's a good practice |
| 10:21.48 | Mathies | I'm actually working on my first project and its a huge project |
| 10:22.01 | Mathies | one that I'm more concerned about the results than my experience doing it |
| 10:22.23 | Mathies | I am now in charge of Galaxy Vampirism if you're familiar... |
| 10:22.40 | Unlike_Lester | aha |
| 10:23.07 | Unlike_Lester | yeah, I am, if that was directed to me :p |
| 10:23.34 | Unlike_Lester | And A1win, I suppose |
| 10:23.46 | Mathies | Both of you, really; so you have some background on my questions |
| 10:24.12 | A1win | only seen the name pop up somewhere, I don't play much other people's custom maps :P |
| 10:25.24 | Unlike_Lester | Hey A1win, you don't happend to know a good way of how to execute a bounce of an object on a wall, without losing too much inaccuracy on the collision? |
| 10:25.44 | Unlike_Lester | eg, normally you just compare the position with the wall and then flips the velocity |
| 10:26.21 | Unlike_Lester | But I can't do that, since that leads to inaccuracy as the bounce is not perfect on the wall, but often more inside of the wall due to the fixed timestep being too high. |
| 10:26.33 | Unlike_Lester | (lol, if I make sense now) |
| 10:27.46 | Unlike_Lester | Meh, maybe I should ask first if you use the gui or script in galaxy directly |
| 10:27.55 | Mathies | I have two questions that I would eventually find the answer to through experience, but, delving into the collective knowledge of this IRC... A variable array with the size of 2 shows as Variable[2]; but doesn't that mean its actually 3? [0] being included |
| 10:28.00 | A1win | calculate the position where the object needs to be in the current script engine frame instead of just modifying its velocity or whatever |
| 10:28.45 | Unlike_Lester | Aye, A1win, but I'm afraid it would lead to doing a while loop a la raytracing style- |
| 10:28.58 | A1win | Mathies, yeah |
| 10:29.04 | Mathies | Do triggers without an event fire once as soon as possible after map initalization? |
| 10:29.16 | Mathies | or when are they firing |
| 10:29.27 | Unlike_Lester | Mathines, Blizzard made it that way to be "more friendly" |
| 10:29.32 | Unlike_Lester | For nonprogrammers |
| 10:29.35 | Mathies | Lol |
| 10:29.35 | A1win | triggers without an event don't fire unless you tell them to |
| 10:29.49 | A1win | but there is no reason to use a trigger without an event, use action definitions instead |
| 10:29.58 | Unlike_Lester | Like, many people don't know that an array with the size 5 means that the indices 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 is used |
| 10:30.07 | Mathies | Ok... well, I have this trigger thats not referenced by any trigger to fire |
| 10:30.18 | Mathies | But fires somewhere around map initialization |
| 10:30.26 | A1win | are you sure? |
| 10:30.29 | Mathies | Because I am editting someone elses map and I am not able to ask them about it... I'm confused |
| 10:30.43 | Mathies | I was looking through the overview manager for the reference |
| 10:31.12 | A1win | select the trigger, press delete.. if it doesn't warn you, there was no reference, and if it warns you, it tells you where the reference is |
| 10:31.38 | Mathies | and why didn't I think of that |
| 10:33.39 | Mathies | So, for some reason, he didn't preload banks until a minute into the map (i.e. no stats are recorded for the first minute), but, the stat records are all correspondingly done after the preload initiation; meaning, there is no possibility of anything being written to banks until that time anyways |
| 10:33.49 | Mathies | Is there any drawbacks to me preloading banks at the start? |
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| 10:38.11 | A1win | I wouldn't think so, but I haven't used banks |
| 10:38.33 | Mathies | wat |
| 10:38.38 | harl | wuff |
| 10:38.47 | Mathies | I'm implementing an achievements system |
| 10:38.51 | A1win | if preloading just means that the bank is "ready to use", then map init would seem like the best time to do it |
| 10:39.06 | Mathies | Banks are the only thing I can use for that, correct? |
| 10:39.12 | Mathies | (unless we get stuff in HotS) |
| 10:39.24 | A1win | I said I wouldn't think there is any drawback in preloading them at the start |
| 10:39.58 | A1win | and yeah banks are the only way to store data between games |
| 10:41.38 | Mathies | A1win: for the method you told me about the variables... this runs into a problem with arrays and non-integer/boolean things |
| 10:42.44 | A1win | how so? |
| 10:43.07 | Mathies | It wants me to specify which index to set it to |
| 10:43.14 | A1win | obviously o: |
| 10:43.16 | A1win | specify :P |
| 10:43.54 | A1win | for (i=0; i < array size; i++) { array1[i] = array2[i] } |
| 10:44.08 | Mathies | derp |
| 10:44.39 | A1win | arrays are very often used in combination of loops |
| 10:44.51 | A1win | err |
| 10:44.54 | A1win | in combination with loops |
| 10:45.31 | A1win | that's the whole beauty of arrays, you can loop through them and don't need to copy-paste the code for every single indice |
| 10:45.37 | A1win | *index |
| 10:47.24 | A1win | if you're referring to very index separately, there's no point in using an array to begin with |
| 10:47.28 | A1win | *every |
| 10:47.50 | Mathies | I can use an array instead of two seperate variables |
| 10:47.53 | Mathies | is that just doing it wrong? |
| 10:48.22 | Mathies | But I do loop through them for anything to do with player integer numbers |
| 10:48.39 | A1win | well that's just a matter of preference |
| 10:49.14 | Mathies | If I put two Events in a trigger |
| 10:49.18 | Mathies | will it trigger on either event? |
| 10:49.30 | A1win | yeah |
| 10:50.33 | Mathies | I think this is very wrong, but, its not my triggering! A lot of triggers have events like "Any unit is created" |
| 10:50.44 | Mathies | And then conditions of Unit Type = something specific |
| 10:50.54 | Mathies | Shouldn't the event type be specific? |
| 10:51.02 | A1win | no |
| 10:51.16 | A1win | I mean, it just isn't |
| 10:51.24 | A1win | nothing you can do about it :x |
| 10:51.42 | Mathies | Well, for example |
| 10:52.08 | Mathies | He had an event on a trigger that was a periodic timer that fired every 0.25 game seconds |
| 10:52.25 | Mathies | I completely reworked that because it seemed extreme |
| 10:52.48 | Mathies | and it was interfering with my other timers |
| 10:52.56 | A1win | mm periodic checks are usually the last resort if all else fails |
| 10:53.17 | Mathies | Well, the only one I have now is |
| 10:53.35 | Mathies | every 60 gametime seconds it does blah |
| 10:53.48 | Mathies | Is that fine? |
| 10:53.53 | Mathies | Or is there a better way to do that |
| 10:54.04 | A1win | ._o |
| 10:54.09 | A1win | depends on what you want it to do |
| 10:54.12 | Mathies | and it was actually "Every 0.25 Game Time Seconds" was the event I was talking about before |
| 10:54.30 | A1win | if you want it to do something every 60 seconds, I don't think there's any better way to do that than running it once every 60 seconds :P |
| 10:54.38 | Mathies | Lol |
| 10:54.51 | Unlike_Lester | you could use a wait as well |
| 10:55.01 | Unlike_Lester | But it's almost the same thing. |
| 10:55.19 | Mathies | actually, that makes it more versatile |
| 10:55.44 | A1win | if I need a periodic thing, I just do a repeat forever action and put a wait at the end |
| 10:56.11 | Mathies | yea |
| 10:57.15 | Mathies | Ok, now: Is there a way to pause elapsed game time? I assume no; I added a mode-picking through dialog thing at the beginning of the map, and that through off everything related to timing, so I manually adjusted every reference to Elapsed gametime |
| 10:57.48 | A1win | anyway, you can do a LOT of things in let's say 0.0625 seconds (one event handler frame), for example I'm removing and recreating about 30 units in that time in one of my maps (creating units is a very heavy operation) |
| 10:58.03 | Kueken | I think, your assumption about the game time is correct ;) |
| 10:58.35 | Mathies | at the same time, is there an efficient way to make a timer that functioned the same way as gametime? I was thinking like a clock that had timers that fired every second starting when I wanted to and incrementing a second variable |
| 10:58.53 | Mathies | But that seems to me like it would be a lagging thing |
| 10:58.59 | Mathies | Is that a wrong assessment? |
| 10:59.09 | Kueken | it would work |
| 10:59.10 | A1win | just make a custom function that returns custom game time |
| 10:59.14 | A1win | which is game time + whatever value |
| 10:59.19 | Kueken | yes |
| 10:59.21 | Mathies | hrmm |
| 10:59.35 | A1win | new function definition, return type real |
| 10:59.37 | Kueken | just save, how much time you paused in a variable |
| 10:59.46 | A1win | actions: return Game time + somevalue |
| 10:59.47 | Kueken | and substract that from your real game time |
| 11:00.00 | A1win | (or -) |
| 11:00.14 | Mathies | Would I be able to modify the real gametime that way Kueken ? |
| 11:00.27 | A1win | you can't modify that |
| 11:00.29 | Kueken | no |
| 11:00.32 | A1win | but why would you want to? |
| 11:00.35 | Mathies | So, the bottom left gametime would always be wrong |
| 11:00.40 | Mathies | above the minimap |
| 11:00.41 | A1win | yeah |
| 11:00.43 | A1win | hide it :P |
| 11:00.44 | Kueken | indeed |
| 11:00.58 | Mathies | How would I hide it? |
| 11:01.11 | A1win | Show/Hide UI Frame action |
| 11:01.21 | A1win | Mission Time Panel or something like that |
| 11:01.22 | Kueken | or layout files |
| 11:01.33 | Mathies | alright... |
| 11:02.02 | Mathies | almost everything I learned came from trying to do things and reading through the function catalog with searches related to what I wanted to do, or looking at how it was already done at different points in the triggers |
| 11:02.18 | Kueken | sounds familiar |
| 11:02.33 | Mathies | but doing that, I break things easily |
| 11:02.45 | Kueken | yep, that as well :D |
| 11:02.46 | Mathies | backups ftw |
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| 11:03.11 | A1win | sounds a bit of a headache to start learning mapping by editing someone else's map :P |
| 11:03.32 | Mathies | I have one ultimate mission: Make Galaxy Vampirism 2.0 page1 FOREVER |
| 11:03.55 | Mathies | furthering my knowledge, eh, I don't have an actual test :P |
| 11:03.59 | Kueken | become blizzard employee and stick it there |
| 11:04.14 | Mathies | lol |
| 11:06.24 | A1win | damn my keyboard is dirty |
| 11:07.22 | Mathies | So, does the game do triggers by event firing in every game frame? |
| 11:08.08 | A1win | events are handled every 1/16 (0.0625) seconds, script engine runs on 1/32 second intervals |
| 11:09.06 | A1win | if you do Wait 0 seconds, it waits for 0.0625 seconds, you need a custom script to wait for less |
| 11:12.15 | A1win | by calling Wait(0,0), or Wait(0,some_value_name_which_I_forgot_but_is_equivalent_of_zero) |
| 11:12.56 | A1win | which would then wait for 1/32 seconds |
| 11:14.29 | Mathies | so, I have a function that has the event of clicking a dialog |
| 11:15.01 | Mathies | first, it decides what to do based on variables/the player who clicked it and this is behind some Ifs and Switches |
| 11:15.47 | Mathies | after that, I have an If-Then with Or Conditions checking if the number of players in the has-voted group is equal to the number of all players OR if the voting time limit has been reached |
| 11:16.18 | Mathies | does the all players group include non-players, players |
| 11:16.22 | Mathies | like Neutral/Hostile |
| 11:16.30 | A1win | it does |
| 11:16.48 | Mathies | typing my problem out made me arrive to the question I actually needed to ask |
| 11:16.54 | Mathies | woo |
| 11:17.21 | Mathies | so... how do I make it only /player/ players? |
| 11:17.52 | Mathies | Active Players = real players? |
| 11:17.52 | A1win | if you want to get the players who are currently playing, you should make a global player group variable, and on map start, loop through all Active Players, check if their state == Playing, if so, add them to the variable group |
| 11:18.02 | A1win | and when a player leaves, remove them from the variable group |
| 11:18.26 | A1win | oh and check if their state == Playing AND controller == User |
| 11:18.31 | Mathies | hrmm |
| 11:18.32 | Mathies | I see |
| 11:18.46 | Mathies | err |
| 11:18.47 | A1win | if you want to exclude computer players |
| 11:18.52 | Mathies | yea |
| 11:19.28 | A1win | Active Players is the group of user and computer players who are currently playing, but if a player disconnects in loading screen, he won't get removed from that >_> so you need to check on map init |
| 11:19.35 | A1win | unless blizz has fixed that but I doubt it... |
| 11:19.49 | Mathies | computer players... |
| 11:19.56 | Mathies | does that include |
| 11:19.58 | Mathies | neutral/hostile |
| 11:19.59 | A1win | no |
| 11:20.11 | A1win | only those who are in the lobby on map start |
| 11:20.15 | Mathies | ok |
| 11:20.23 | Mathies | So Active Players is all players from lobby? |
| 11:20.49 | A1win | yeah, including those who disconnected on map start, and excluding those who have left the game afterwards |
| 11:20.51 | Mathies | so at the start, declare Active Players, then subtract all players that are not state==playing and controller==user? |
| 11:20.58 | A1win | *disconnected in loading screen |
| 11:21.53 | A1win | well you can do subtract from active players or add to an empty group, doesn't really matter :p |
| 11:22.11 | Mathies | yea |
| 11:22.12 | Mathies | :v |
| 11:28.08 | Mathies | Would you mind verifying this as being a correct way of doing what I supposed? http://i.imgur.com/OMnjA.png |
| 11:28.53 | A1win | would look better by adding to an empty group :P |
| 11:29.13 | A1win | is AllPlayersStart set to Active Players? |
| 11:30.00 | A1win | and why not just OR { (Controller != User), (State != Playing) } |
| 11:30.30 | A1win | I hate the tree representation of logic operations >_> |
| 11:30.34 | Mathies | heh |
| 11:30.39 | Mathies | Its pretty ridiculous |
| 11:38.40 | Mathies | Wow |
| 11:38.42 | Mathies | its 4AM here |
| 11:39.07 | Mathies | I've been working on getting vampire/human choosing and map initialization working since 9PM |
| 11:39.13 | Mathies | ..... |
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| 16:53.55 | JademusSreg | Perhaps. |
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