IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20111209

`00:10.00`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Frostwind (~fhbjsdbkj@99-73-216-198.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net)`
`00:23.51`	`Vandal`	`hey ________________`
`00:24.06`	`Vandal`	`I can't stay for long, but basically I want to streamline DotA, I want to give it the TF2 treatment`
`00:24.40`	`JademusSreg`	`F/TPS?`
`00:24.53`	`Vandal`	`no`
`00:24.57`	`Vandal`	`same view as now`
`00:25.09`	`Vandal`	`I want to make it simple to play, easy to get into, and so fucking shiny it blinds you`
`00:25.14`	`Vandal`	`(polished)`
`00:26.30`	`Flaffen`	`did not help ahli`
`00:26.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, so how do you intend to innovate such that your map would stand out in more than its aesthetic merits?`
`00:26.42`	`Vandal`	`De-emphasize creep farming, eliminate jungling as a valid means of leveling by itself, simplify items, create clear class archtypes united by symbolic shared spells`
`00:27.08`	`Vandal`	`that is just to start`
`00:27.51`	`Vandal`	`de-emphasize creep farming, but make creeps themselves more integral to the game in terms of spell / ability interactions with them, and new types of creeps that behave differently than the standard fodder`
`00:28.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Have you experience in development? If so, any noteworthy projects toward which you may direct those interested?`
`00:28.21`	`Vandal`	`2 creeps I would like to experiment with specifically are player hunters and tower bombers`
`00:29.27`	`Vandal`	`http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/648616/the-wizards-tower-wip-solitaire-card-game-w-1d6`
`00:29.29`	`Vandal`	`that is about it for now`
`00:29.38`	`Vandal`	`but my experience doesn't matter, I'm offering to pay someone to do what I ask`
`00:29.45`	`Vandal`	`however the game turns out, they still get paid`
`00:30.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Experience always matters. Do you believe your design could usurp SotIS and the (forthcoming) Blizzard Dota and, if so, what qualities do you believe your map would possess that are definite improvements over the features of the aforementioned maps?`
`00:32.49`	`Vandal`	`See, this is the kind of question you should ask someone who is asking you to work with them for free`
`00:33.11`	`Vandal`	`I'm not paying someone for their opinion of whether my map will beat Sotis or not`
`00:33.16`	`Vandal`	`I'm paying them to do what I ask`
`00:33.18`	`Motive`	`How much?`
`00:33.20`	`Motive`	`I want an hourly rate. :P`
`00:34.06`	`Vandal`	`I'm thinking I would pay based on how many map features I ask for that get implemented`
`00:34.14`	`JademusSreg`	`I ask questions because I have infinite curiosity.`
`00:34.16`	`Vandal`	`that makes it very easy to set up a contract`
`00:34.28`	`Vandal`	`when I can clearly define under which terms I will pay up`
`00:34.34`	`Motive`	`Time commitment has to be factored into the feature count.`
`00:34.49`	`Vandal`	`Well yeah, more complicated features would of course cost me more`
`00:34.51`	`________________`	`jades does have inf curiosity`
`00:34.59`	`Vandal`	`Well I'm happy to talk about this more later`
`00:35.07`	`Vandal`	`right now I'm going to watch The Daily Show with my wife :3`
`00:35.10`	`________________`	`Your project does sound like fun`
`00:35.11`	`Motive`	`It took a good 24 hours of development for me to code libActionBar. Would you pay me $200 for just a little actionbar script?`
`00:35.24`	`Vandal`	`Motive I'd have to know what that actually does`
`00:35.29`	`Vandal`	`I can't answer questions like that`
`00:35.35`	`Vandal`	`I have no frame of refence`
`00:35.37`	`Motive`	`Think WoW's actionbar.`
`00:35.40`	`________________`	`I think imma pass tho, I'll only have a month to help you out then back to school I'd go, and this sounds like a more than 1 month project`
`00:35.40`	`Motive`	`It's like that, very similar.`
`00:35.48`	`Vandal`	`well ________________`
`00:35.55`	`Vandal`	`I'm not looking for someone to maintain the map`
`00:35.58`	`Vandal`	`Just get it functioning`
`00:36.03`	`Vandal`	`I will maintain it myself`
`00:36.34`	`Vandal`	`Part of the contract would involve making the map easy to maintain by following good practices in programming and design :P`
`00:36.39`	`Motive`	`The hourly involvement for a GOOD map is going to end up looking like at least 500 hours of work. Since it's fairly skilled work, we'll say it's worth $10/hr.`
`00:36.41`	`Motive`	`Do you have $5000?`
`00:36.51`	`Vandal`	`That all depends Motive`
`00:36.52`	`________________`	`Motive, be real.`
`00:37.05`	`Motive`	`I am being real. My time is worth much more than $10/hr. I can get paid more on elance for doing less.`
`00:37.16`	`________________`	`elance?`
`00:37.17`	`Vandal`	`As far as I'm aware, this is a buyer's market, as I'm the only person I know that is offering to pay someone to make a map`
`00:37.19`	`Motive`	`You're going to have a hard time finding anyone serious without a serious financial investment.`
`00:37.25`	`Motive`	`elance.com - freelance site`
`00:37.29`	`________________`	`oic`
`00:37.38`	`________________`	`But year what vandal said is true`
`00:37.40`	`Motive`	`It's not a buyer's market, it's always a seller's market in regards to people's time, especially with skilled labor.`
`00:37.40`	`Vandal`	`Motive if you read my post`
`00:37.50`	`Motive`	`SC2 Map Making is definitely skilled labor. :)`
`00:37.54`	`________________`	`Noone is getting paid for maps until the marketplace comes out except for from vandal`
`00:37.58`	`Vandal`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/29176-i-will-contract-you-to-build-my-map-s/#p3`
`00:38.01`	`Vandal`	`read this`
`00:38.05`	`Vandal`	`it explains how I would work out a deal`
`00:38.20`	`Motive`	`Alright`
`00:38.23`	`Motive`	`I'll do it for $15/hr.`
`00:38.25`	`Motive`	`No less.`
`00:38.44`	`Vandal`	`I will not pay you $15 / hour, I'm counting on some people who are fairly good at this and do it for fun anyway`
`00:38.45`	`Motive`	`I'll even build an online timeclock so you can keep track of how long I work, down to the minute, on your site.`
`00:38.48`	`Motive`	`on your map*`
`00:39.02`	`Vandal`	`I'm not rich`
`00:39.03`	`Motive`	`Then it's not truly a paid-only opportunity.`
`00:39.11`	`Vandal`	`I just have ideas and not enough time to implement them`
`00:39.17`	`________________`	`In your ideal situation how much would you pay total for the whole map?`
`00:39.18`	`JademusSreg`	`If you want polish, you'll need someone to generate art assets, as well.`
`00:39.25`	`________________`	`^`
`00:39.28`	`Ahli`	`do it yourself ;D`
`00:39.29`	`Motive`	`I'd still be prepared to shell out $1000 at least for any good map maker on SC2Mapster.`
`00:39.31`	`Vandal`	`________________ I dont' know, it depends on the kinds of offers I get`
`00:39.38`	`Vandal`	`and yeah I could see paying 1k`
`00:39.40`	`________________`	`I see`
`00:39.42`	`Vandal`	`if the map was EXACTLY what I wanted`
`00:39.49`	`Motive`	`That won't happen. :P`
`00:39.53`	`________________`	`Why is this project so special you'd be willing to go that far?`
`00:39.59`	`JademusSreg`	`It can be difficult to hit a moving target.`
`00:40.02`	`Vandal`	`well don't forget a lot of what I want to do is simplify an existing game`
`00:40.07`	`Motive`	`Minor changes can tend to create exponential time requirements, which justify an hourly rate.`
`00:40.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Thus, contractual obligation.`
`00:40.08`	`Vandal`	`I don't think it would actually be that hard`
`00:40.21`	`Motive`	`You don't, but you're not the skilled laborer.`
`00:40.33`	`________________`	`Well`
`00:40.34`	`Vandal`	`Yeah but if I can't afford you I can invest my own time`
`00:40.34`	`Motive`	`I can't comment on how hard it might be to build a bridge, 'cause I'm not a structural engineer.`
`00:40.36`	`Motive`	`I can comment on websites though!`
`00:40.41`	`________________`	`It's not hard or easy persay, its the time you throw into it`
`00:40.44`	`Vandal`	`and I do know how to program Java a bit`
`00:40.50`	`Vandal`	`and I used to make maps in original SC`
`00:40.52`	`Motive`	`Java doesn't translate to SC2, at all.`
`00:40.55`	`Motive`	`C does, a little.`
`00:40.55`	`Vandal`	`I know this is a whole new ballgame`
`00:41.06`	`Vandal`	`but I understand the concepts very well`
`00:41.12`	`Vandal`	`enough that I am confident I could maintain the map myself`
`00:41.20`	`Motive`	`Good, you can maintain it`
`00:41.28`	`Motive`	`but you still need to either build it yourself, or pay someone a reasonable rate to build it.`
`00:41.38`	`Motive`	`You won't find a true professional that's willing to listen to you and do what you say for so little.`
`00:41.38`	`Vandal`	`anyways, enough of this, I'm out for now`
`00:41.45`	`Vandal`	`"a true professional"`
`00:41.47`	`Motive`	`They can use your idea and build it themselves if they think it's good.`
`00:41.50`	`Vandal`	`you're talking like I'm hiring Blizzard staff`
`00:42.12`	`________________`	`Why through SC II though, there's no money here unless you're being paid to make the map`
`00:42.20`	`________________`	`Why take the idea, it won't make money elsewhere`
`00:42.29`	`Vandal`	`because it is the easiest place to achieve what I want`
`00:42.32`	`JademusSreg`	`You're better off developing a game and publishing it through Steam.`
`00:42.38`	`________________`	`^`
`00:42.40`	`Motive`	`Because if I want to make a map for fun, I'll invest my own time into it. And I won't have to be told what to do by anyone.`
`00:42.43`	`Motive`	`I can do it at my leisure.`
`00:42.47`	`Vandal`	`I would have to pay more to develop a standalone game on Steam`
`00:42.53`	`Vandal`	`I would need servers to support online play`
`00:42.56`	`________________`	`So its just the "being told what to do" part you dont like?`
`00:43.01`	`________________`	`Thats a job bro`
`00:43.04`	`Motive`	`You're not paying for a product. You're paying for the time it takes to make that product.`
`00:43.08`	`Vandal`	`yes Motive does not want to work on something for pay`
`00:43.08`	`________________`	`That's why you'd get paid`
`00:43.14`	`Motive`	`Without factoring in #2, you can't get to #1.`
`00:43.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`00:43.25`	`Motive`	`A Steam game would take more time than an SC2 one.`
`00:43.27`	`Motive`	`THAT is your savings.`
`00:43.28`	`Vandal`	`you know what Motive, I've been paid $20 an hour before too`
`00:43.33`	`________________`	`But that's the point, NO ONE is paying for the product`
`00:43.36`	`Vandal`	`this is exactly why I will pay someone who already knows how to do this`
`00:43.38`	`Motive`	`I'm not talking $20/hr.`
`00:43.41`	`________________`	`only the idea man is paying for the labor`
`00:43.42`	`Motive`	`Pay someone $7/hr to work on the map.`
`00:43.52`	`Flaffen`	`balls, need an expert with beams / chain effects`
`00:43.52`	`Vandal`	`________________ yes I want to flesh out my ideas`
`00:43.58`	`Vandal`	`but I am already 29 years old`
`00:44.04`	`Vandal`	`I do not have time to become a guru at a map editor`
`00:44.08`	`Ahli`	`a better model would be to ask for systems that he can integrate into his map and pay people per system`
`00:44.18`	`________________`	`You can do it in a few months, but that's beside the point`
`00:44.19`	`Vandal`	`I do not have the capital to hire a professional team of programmers and content creators`
`00:44.24`	`Motive`	`You don't need to.`
`00:44.31`	`Motive`	`You can hire one person and pay them an hourly wage to work the way you tell them to.`
`00:44.33`	`Vandal`	`________________ It is beside the point entirely, because this is a stepping stone on the path to greater things`
`00:44.57`	`________________`	`I wish I knew where exactly you are trying to take this map, but I guess I'll have to wait to see.`
`00:45.01`	`Vandal`	`and Motive I like my proposal best, you quote me what you would ask for per feature required`
`00:45.08`	`Vandal`	`and I say yes or no`
`00:45.30`	`Motive`	`It depends on the features.`
`00:45.34`	`Vandal`	`I will negotiate of course`
`00:45.35`	`Motive`	`I'd charge $200 for an actionbar alone.`
`00:45.38`	`Vandal`	`and like I said in my post`
`00:45.43`	`Motive`	`Throw a whole map into the factor? You're looking at over $1000.`
`00:45.47`	`Vandal`	`The better example you can show me`
`00:45.52`	`Vandal`	`The more I'm willing to pay you`
`00:46.12`	`________________`	`Actionbar?`
`00:46.15`	`Motive`	`Or, I can make my own map, keep it private, and reap 100% of the profits come SC2's expansion, which isn't too far off.`
`00:46.17`	`Vandal`	`I don't need an actionbar and I don't know if that took you 24 hours because you did it to train yourself, or if someone very good at this would still take 24 hours`
`00:46.27`	`Vandal`	`good for you Motive, then do that`
`00:46.50`	`Motive`	`The point isn't to hire me, I don't want the job. I'm just saying, you won't find anyone for those rates because the time investment to pay is way off.`
`00:46.57`	`Vandal`	`For you`
`00:46.59`	`Vandal`	`You're not everyone`
`00:47.18`	`Motive`	`I'm sane. Try offering a set fee plus a share of equity in the final map`
`00:47.19`	`Vandal`	`You're not a poor college student with no job, you're not a 14 year old kid who wants $300 so he can buy a PS3`
`00:47.24`	`Motive`	`That's the only way I could see it working.`
`00:47.27`	`________________`	`Vandal, you will get replies to your thread don't worry.`
`00:47.32`	`Vandal`	`I am sure I will`
`00:47.36`	`Vandal`	`I am also sure I am being fair`
`00:47.47`	`Flaffen`	`eh, how on earth are you going to make money off sc2 maps?`
`00:47.55`	`Vandal`	`The real point here`
`00:47.58`	`________________`	`marketplace im guessing`
`00:48.03`	`________________`	`or tournaments with money`
`00:48.10`	`JademusSreg`	`The former, I expect.`
`00:48.12`	`Flaffen`	`marketplace?`
`00:48.12`	`________________`	`those are the only 2 i could see being viable`
`00:48.13`	`Vandal`	`Is I want a finished product that showcases my ability to design`
`00:48.22`	`Vandal`	`I don't care if someone thinks I'm good at using the SC2 editor`
`00:48.26`	`________________`	`Ah I get it`
`00:48.29`	`________________`	`Ok`
`00:48.36`	`________________`	`Thank you for that one.`
`00:48.41`	`Vandal`	`Sure`
`00:48.45`	`Flaffen`	`cuz all maps published are property of blizz u know`
`00:48.54`	`________________`	`It doesn't matter flaffen`
`00:49.00`	`Vandal`	`I don't care who owns it, my name is on it as designer`
`00:49.05`	`Vandal`	`It is now in my portfolio`
`00:49.06`	`________________`	`exactly`
`00:49.30`	`Vandal`	`and using SC2 as my Game Maker is going to be a fuckload cheaper than Steam`
`00:50.05`	`Vandal`	`seriously, using the SC2 platform to make online multiplayer games as an independent developer is a really smart idea imo`
`00:50.14`	`Vandal`	`Blizz is brilliant setting up a marketplace`
`00:50.37`	`Vandal`	`You think the maps we got now are impressive`
`00:50.40`	`Vandal`	`It is fucking NOTHING`
`00:50.43`	`________________`	`Blizz is a little late to the "app" scene, but they are here now which is good.`
`00:50.54`	`Vandal`	`The things people will do once they can profit from it will be mind blowing`
`00:51.19`	`________________`	`I'm sure there are already maps out there, waiting for marketplace release... Then they will be published`
`00:51.34`	`Vandal`	`I might wait that long, since I don't think it is a very long wait at this point`
`00:51.39`	`Vandal`	`but I would like to be able to publically test it`
`00:51.40`	`________________`	`Nop`
`00:51.51`	`________________`	`Yea I getchu, not bad timing with the proposal`
`00:51.59`	`________________`	`Vacation is here for most`
`00:52.09`	`Vandal`	`timing is a coincidence really`
`00:52.16`	`________________`	`Hah`
`00:52.16`	`Vandal`	`I just thought of doing this today`
`00:52.25`	`Motive`	`Vandal: You have a vision for a map. That's awesome! But in this community, people have no respect for an "idea man". Flawed? Maybe. But that's the general perception. If you truly want your map to succeed, play a more active role in it's development. Terrain it at least. Show off pictures in your recruiting thread and then offer, "I'll pay you to help trigger this map the way I want it`
`00:52.25`	`Motive`	`done."`
`00:52.31`	`________________`	`Question, what was your college major?`
`00:52.34`	`Motive`	`THEN, you will have not only interest in your final product, but people signing up to help. :)`
`00:52.36`	`Vandal`	`Motive you're silly`
`00:52.48`	`Vandal`	`And you really believe everyone thinks like you do`
`00:52.56`	`Vandal`	`even though ________________ obviously does not`
`00:53.03`	`Motive`	`No, just my observations from the past of the community. Look at the Map Recruitment forum for an example.`
`00:53.09`	`Motive`	`I don't think I've ever seen a single successful "idea man."`
`00:53.25`	`Vandal`	`How many idea men were willing to pay their team members?`
`00:53.25`	`Motive`	`You're not the first person to offer to pay. Trust me.`
`00:53.27`	`________________`	`Motive, I asked 3 people to design terrain for my map and 2/3 said yes.`
`00:53.34`	`________________`	`I narrowed it to 1`
`00:53.37`	`________________`	`Now the terrain is amazing`
`00:53.40`	`________________`	`For free`
`00:53.42`	`Vandal`	`Motive link me a post`
`00:53.45`	`________________`	`Terrainers like to do it`
`00:53.49`	`Vandal`	`of someone offering money for work`
`00:53.58`	`Motive`	`I have no idea where, and I'm not looking. Lol. I remember a few people in IRC though.`
`00:54.05`	`Vandal`	`oh ok so no posts huh?`
`00:54.06`	`Motive`	`Is it really that new of an idea that people pay to get work done?`
`00:54.08`	`Vandal`	`No public offers?`
`00:54.12`	`________________`	`Terraining is like painting, people do it because they like to and it's not tedious work.`
`00:54.14`	`Motive`	`You're not the first person to think of it, trust me.`
`00:54.17`	`Vandal`	`I'm sure I'm not`
`00:54.25`	`Vandal`	`I also do not care`
`00:54.53`	`________________`	`Anyways, jades was smart to sit out... That's what I'mma do now & grab some lunch`
`00:54.56`	`________________`	`hf you 2`
`00:54.58`	`Vandal`	`heh`
`00:55.01`	`Vandal`	`no I'm leaving`
`00:55.11`	`Motive`	`Best of luck on your map, Vandal.`
`00:55.24`	`Flaffen`	`so vandal, what kinda map u making?`
`00:55.54`	`Vandal`	`scroll up your buffer`
`00:59.52`	`Flaffen`	`so ur map is pretty much dota, just different mob/spells/items?`
`01:25.55`	`Flaffen`	`so silent`
`01:26.44`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Shadowwolf (ae8200d5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.130.0.213)`
`01:27.34`	`Shadowwolf`	`GUYS i have a major problem, My map has 8 users, Yet when I join it through the join custom game it says its only a 1v1 game`
`01:27.51`	`Shadowwolf`	`How do I fix this`
`01:28.01`	`JademusSreg`	`It is the deafening volume of the world's smallest orchestral arrangement playing the world's most sincere requiem.`
`01:28.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Check the Game Attributes?`
`01:28.31`	`JademusSreg`	`And Game Variants.`
`01:31.56`	`Shadowwolf`	`Okay IM looking around`
`01:34.23`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-180-50.sb.sd.cox.net)`
`01:37.01`	`Shadowwolf`	`There I just made Custom Game varients`
`01:37.13`	`Shadowwolf`	`Hopefully these will work`
`01:54.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-046-005-137-174.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de)`
`02:05.45`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442ccc3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.44.204.59)`
`02:05.56`	`Bounty`	`Hay Guyz`
`02:06.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi thar.`
`02:08.39`	`Bounty`	`You know your map is not popular when you look at the match history of people who have played and YOU (The creator) are always in every game`
`02:10.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`02:10.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Not popular yet, in any case.`
`02:10.24`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:10.30`	`Bounty`	`the day this map gets popular is the day i give you 100 bucks`
`02:10.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`02:11.20`	`Bounty`	`I know EXACTLY how to get all of my maps popular but i refuse to do it ><`
`02:11.29`	`Bounty`	`Shit, i could get any map popular`
`02:11.45`	`Bounty`	`Just make Doodad Hunt 2 and advertise a map through it`
`02:11.51`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:14.16`	`Bounty`	`I'm trying to explain to ppl in my maps channel`
`02:14.21`	`Bounty`	`That they dont need me present to play`
`02:16.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Make a small banner text thing like the other shit I advertise on my load screen.`
`02:17.30`	`Bounty`	`nobody reads loading screens`
`02:17.40`	`Bounty`	`even with huge font and color coding`
`02:18.06`	`*** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (31NAATIDC@ppp118-209-23-230.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net)`
`02:19.42`	`JademusSreg`	`People notice, I'm sure.`
`02:19.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Make a mock up, I'll implement it.`
`02:19.54`	`XenoX101`	`I notice :)`
`02:19.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Support my fellow modders.`
`02:20.07`	`XenoX101`	`what am I noticing ;p`
`02:20.56`	`Bounty`	`I'm not an artist Jademus`
`02:21.01`	`Bounty`	`i do want a cool loading screen though`
`02:21.10`	`XenoX101`	`cool loading screens are badass`
`02:21.12`	`XenoX101`	`want to see mine?`
`02:21.16`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`02:21.21`	`Bounty`	`i dun care about yer hard work`
`02:21.21`	`XenoX101`	`aw :(`
`02:21.29`	`Bounty`	`jk let me see it`
`02:21.34`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`02:21.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Besides my intentional, ironic text clutter, my load screen is sexy.`
`02:22.16`	`XenoX101`	`sec`
`02:25.13`	`Bounty`	`You know what would make my day`
`02:25.25`	`Bounty`	`If i made a way to donate to the development of TriFaction`
`02:25.29`	`Bounty`	`and i got one donation of 1 cent`
`02:25.34`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:25.41`	`Bounty`	`like, just THAT alone would make my day`
`02:25.52`	`XenoX101`	`aw gay cant save screenshots during melee loading screen`
`02:25.52`	`Bounty`	`or is that just me?`
`02:25.56`	`XenoX101`	`anyway`
`02:26.07`	`XenoX101`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22742814/Screenshot2011-12-09%2013_21_33.jpg`
`02:26.15`	`XenoX101`	`it normally has two melee players`
`02:26.18`	`XenoX101`	`with minimap in the middle`
`02:26.19`	`Bounty`	`looks gay`
`02:26.20`	`XenoX101`	`uses the melee mode`
`02:26.25`	`Bounty`	`lol =P`
`02:26.34`	`XenoX101`	`its a bit minimalist`
`02:26.40`	`XenoX101`	`but more professional that way and thats what I'm going for :)`
`02:26.50`	`XenoX101`	`all the maps have their own little view`
`02:27.05`	`XenoX101`	`its amazing how pretty maps can look from good angles`
`02:27.35`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`02:27.37`	`Bounty`	`that is true`
`02:27.50`	`XenoX101`	`I'll make an imgur gallery with all my pics`
`02:27.50`	`Bounty`	`now on to what i was saying`
`02:27.54`	`Bounty`	`How would that make you feel Xeno?`
`02:27.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Nice loadscreen Xeno.`
`02:28.00`	`JademusSreg`	`<3`
`02:28.00`	`Bounty`	`If you got a donation of 1 cent for ur map`
`02:28.01`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:28.03`	`XenoX101`	`ty :P`
`02:28.25`	`XenoX101`	`hm`
`02:28.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Take a compliment graciously, fucker. =D`
`02:29.17`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg, what are your thoughts on my question`
`02:29.39`	`Bounty`	`If someone donated 1 cent to the development of Photon Cycles`
`02:29.43`	`Bounty`	`Your reaction would be, what?`
`02:30.07`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd probably decline the donation.`
`02:30.16`	`Shadowwolf`	`Ha I didnt know it but If you dont publish with max settings then you loose quality...`
`02:30.16`	`Bounty`	`Why?`
`02:30.58`	`Bounty`	`Because you would take it as an insult?`
`02:31.05`	`Bounty`	`Thats what im assuming lol`
`02:31.07`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not accepting donations at this time, so it would be difficult to do at all. But also, ToS.`
`02:31.10`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-180-50.sb.sd.cox.net)`
`02:31.14`	`JademusSreg`	`I could get hit with a banhammer.`
`02:31.20`	`Bounty`	`No`
`02:31.21`	`Bounty`	`wrong`
`02:31.34`	`Bounty`	`its all about the words Jade =P`
`02:31.52`	`Bounty`	`donations cant get you in trouble ever`
`02:31.57`	`Bounty`	`as long as they are truley, DONATIONS`
`02:32.44`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not one to risk the map for personal gain.`
`02:32.56`	`Bounty`	`There is no risk at all`
`02:33.01`	`Bounty`	`Mineralz gets donations all the time`
`02:33.11`	`Bounty`	`You just cant be an idiot about it like Squad TD`
`02:33.22`	`Shadowwolf`	`lawl`
`02:33.46`	`XenoX101`	`http://imgur.com/a/z9egF`
`02:33.51`	`XenoX101`	`there are the pics I took and used ;p`
`02:34.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, Squad TD creator was certainly an idiot about it.`
`02:34.36`	`DonKalypso`	`Rawr`
`02:34.42`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a calculated risk as to how Blizzard may respond, and it is a risk I am not willing to take.`
`02:35.03`	`Bounty`	`Yeah but think of it this way`
`02:35.08`	`Bounty`	`Squad TD did the worst thing possible`
`02:35.20`	`Bounty`	`In terms of risk for personal gain`
`02:35.23`	`Bounty`	`and its back up`
`02:35.25`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:35.39`	`Bounty`	`Therefore, there is no risk`
`02:35.41`	`DonKalypso`	`How goes?`
`02:35.50`	`Bounty`	`and you're full of shit Jademus =P`
`02:36.01`	`Bounty`	`If someone tried to donate a hefty amount of money to you for Photon Cycles`
`02:36.05`	`Bounty`	`You wouldnt turn it down`
`02:36.24`	`Bounty`	`><`
`02:36.35`	`DonKalypso`	`This reminds me, I need to get back into map creation`
`02:36.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. On principle.`
`02:36.42`	`Bounty`	`No you dont Don`
`02:36.46`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:37.00`	`DonKalypso`	`Oh, I see`
`02:37.05`	`Bounty`	`You know what would piss me off`
`02:37.13`	`Bounty`	`If it was somehow found out that rich people played SC2`
`02:37.16`	`Bounty`	`and custom maps`
`02:37.22`	`Bounty`	`and never donated to the map makers`
`02:37.44`	`Bounty`	`or is that once again just my fucked up way of thinking? :)`
`02:38.32`	`Shadowwolf`	`WTF........ this is starting to piss me off`
`02:38.33`	`Shadowwolf`	`lol`
`02:38.39`	`DonKalypso`	`I don't know, you told me to not get back into map making`
`02:38.47`	`Shadowwolf`	`IM getting teams of 5 then 23 teams of 1...`
`02:38.56`	`Shadowwolf`	`i get 1 team of 5, and 3 teams of 1...`
`02:39.05`	`Shadowwolf`	`The varients are set for FFA`
`02:42.00`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-180-50.sb.sd.cox.net)`
`02:46.20`	`Vandal`	`Sotis is so silly`
`02:46.30`	`Vandal`	`They copied LoL's summoner spells and talent trees`
`02:46.39`	`Vandal`	`almost exactly`
`02:46.50`	`Bounty`	`You know what isnt silly and is nothing like any other DotA?`
`02:46.53`	`Bounty`	`TriFaction`
`02:47.02`	`Vandal`	`they're just about as useless as LoL's original ones were too`
`02:47.10`	`Vandal`	`but LoL came out with revamped ones 3 weeks ago that own`
`02:47.31`	`Vandal`	`but the thing is, they're pointless and unnecessary in an SC2 map`
`02:47.35`	`Bounty`	`You are not allowed to bitch about Sotis unless you play TriFaction imo`
`02:47.46`	`Vandal`	`I would even go so far as to say they are unnecessary in LoL`
`02:47.51`	`Bounty`	`Unless you support the map that does not copy any other dota`
`02:47.58`	`Bounty`	`You may not bash the others ><`
`02:47.59`	`Vandal`	`I do not mind that it copies DotA`
`02:48.05`	`Vandal`	`I mind that it copies bad elements`
`02:48.11`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFH4W6LPJTk&feature=player_embedded`
`02:48.12`	`Vandal`	`DotA has good elements and bad elements`
`02:48.23`	`Bounty`	`^ consider it the reinvention of dota`
`02:48.27`	`Shadowwolf`	`Dota sucked.... lol, All these games have one problem, Bad community Who are douches and get pissed every game so its hard as hell to learn...`
`02:48.34`	`Vandal`	`Every new map / game / mod in the MOBA genre has a chance to drop old problems, and very few do`
`02:49.00`	`Bounty`	`TriFaction isnt hard to learn`
`02:49.07`	`Bounty`	`watch the damn video`
`02:49.08`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:49.13`	`Vandal`	`nice Arthus`
`02:49.33`	`Vandal`	`how many people do you have working on this game?`
`02:49.40`	`Bounty`	`um`
`02:49.43`	`Bounty`	`its just me?`
`02:49.48`	`Vandal`	`wow`
`02:49.48`	`Bounty`	`always has been`
`02:50.01`	`Vandal`	`did you make all these models and animations and sounds yourself?`
`02:50.02`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg`
`02:50.09`	`Bounty`	`the models are from wow`
`02:50.12`	`Vandal`	`I was gonna say`
`02:50.13`	`Ahli`	`lol`
`02:50.18`	`Vandal`	`they seem pretty familar`
`02:50.30`	`Vandal`	`imps and ogres, yeah I see it now`
`02:50.36`	`Bounty`	`thats not to say getting them to work like they do isnt hard lol`
`02:50.41`	`Vandal`	`well yeah`
`02:50.50`	`Vandal`	`did you make all the particles?`
`02:50.57`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`02:51.02`	`Vandal`	`or just found good ones in SC2?`
`02:51.06`	`Bounty`	`good ones in sc2`
`02:51.09`	`Vandal`	`nice`
`02:51.11`	`Bounty`	`you dont need anything custom`
`02:51.14`	`Vandal`	`well I have to say you did a great job`
`02:51.14`	`Bounty`	`to make it LOOK custom`
`02:51.16`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`02:51.18`	`Vandal`	`yeah`
`02:51.24`	`Vandal`	`you are the kind of modder I would hire`
`02:51.44`	`Bounty`	`I'm the only one of my kind ><`
`02:51.56`	`Bounty`	`In that, i do what nobody else will do bc they think it wont work`
`02:52.08`	`Bounty`	`Yet... it always works lol`
`02:52.11`	`Vandal`	`well, always worth trying`
`02:52.24`	`Bounty`	`Channel Trifaction if you want to try it`
`02:52.31`	`Bounty`	`plenty of ppl on during peak hours (like now )`
`02:52.33`	`Vandal`	`I probably should`
`02:53.15`	`Vandal`	`Jaina Proudmore with Illidan's weapon, nice`
`02:53.25`	`Bounty`	`lol is that illidans weapon?`
`02:53.29`	`Vandal`	`I think so`
`02:53.34`	`Vandal`	`it is a double blade right?`
`02:53.35`	`Bounty`	`didnt think he used a sword`
`02:53.37`	`Bounty`	`no`
`02:53.42`	`Vandal`	`oh then I didn't get a good look at it`
`02:53.50`	`Vandal`	`it looked like a crescent`
`02:53.59`	`Bounty`	`i want to get some classes in the game with those though`
`02:54.02`	`Bounty`	`fist weapons are always cool`
`02:54.16`	`Vandal`	`well his count as swords, but they aren't straight blades`
`02:54.54`	`Vandal`	`you need a better name for your game than TriFaction though`
`02:55.06`	`Bounty`	`lol?`
`02:55.16`	`Bounty`	`ur the first person to say that`
`02:55.30`	`Vandal`	`It doesn't really say anything about your game except that it has 3 factions`
`02:55.42`	`Vandal`	`Example of a game like that with a cool fucking name: Dark Age of Camelot`
`02:56.01`	`Bounty`	`but that was an mmo`
`02:56.04`	`Bounty`	`with lore`
`02:56.12`	`Vandal`	`Dark Age of Camelot doesn't scream MMORPG to me`
`02:56.22`	`Bounty`	`is that a joke?`
`02:56.24`	`Vandal`	`It could be anything related to Camelot and Bad Shit Happening`
`02:56.27`	`Bounty`	`DAoC was an MMO`
`02:56.30`	`Vandal`	`I know it was`
`02:56.35`	`Vandal`	`I'm talking about the name itself`
`02:56.39`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`02:56.40`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:56.50`	`Vandal`	`Stay on target`
`02:56.54`	`Vandal`	`I'm talking about names not MMORPGs`
`02:56.55`	`Bounty`	`and FYI, DAoC = Where i got the idea for Three factions`
`02:57.08`	`Vandal`	`Heh`
`02:57.12`	`Bounty`	`Because i havent seen it done properly since`
`02:57.16`	`Vandal`	`Well it is a nice video`
`02:57.16`	`Bounty`	`and it worked so good`
`02:57.17`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:57.32`	`Bounty`	`sucks i havent been able to get real gameplay`
`02:57.36`	`Vandal`	`It looked like your characters all had on command attacks`
`02:57.41`	`Bounty`	`i refuse to do a gameplay video with less than a full game`
`02:57.50`	`Vandal`	`like press button, character attacks`
`02:57.52`	`Vandal`	`not autoattacks`
`02:57.55`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`02:57.59`	`Vandal`	`I want that in my game eventually`
`02:58.06`	`Vandal`	`but maybe not as a Bnet map`
`02:58.15`	`Bounty`	`nothing is auto, with the exception of creep`
`02:58.21`	`Fisker`	`just coming in here to harass Sixen`
`02:58.32`	`Ahli`	`you should show the controls in a video, too and what every hero has (rally, how many spells, WASD controls)`
`02:58.42`	`Vandal`	`Also I don't see what your game has to do with God Of War`
`02:58.44`	`Bounty`	`ahli`
`02:58.54`	`Bounty`	`that video is over 7 minutes`
`02:58.59`	`Vandal`	`Just call it an Action RPG`
`02:59.00`	`Bounty`	`and i still missed alot of content`
`02:59.01`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:59.04`	`Ahli`	`^^`
`02:59.06`	`Vandal`	`And you don't have to show off every hero of every faction`
`02:59.07`	`Ahli`	`make more ;D`
`02:59.10`	`Bounty`	`its God of War in the combat`
`02:59.16`	`Vandal`	`Just do a montage with 5 second clips of each hero`
`02:59.17`	`Bounty`	`when u play it ull feel it`
`02:59.31`	`Vandal`	`3 sections with quick scenes of each hero`
`02:59.38`	`Ahli`	`half of the video was showing that you are using wow models and attached items to them^^`
`02:59.42`	`Vandal`	`your section on the stealth guy was way too fucking long`
`02:59.53`	`Bounty`	`i was just demonstrating`
`03:00.06`	`Bounty`	`because his baility is the most critiqued`
`03:00.08`	`Bounty`	`as being useless`
`03:00.09`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:00.18`	`Ahli`	`but the stealth looked good. that wasn't regular stealth was it?`
`03:00.24`	`Vandal`	`and you countered that argument by showing a vid of him taking forever to do something then dying?`
`03:00.26`	`Bounty`	`a mix`
`03:00.32`	`Bounty`	`its a mix between the cloak in sc2`
`03:00.35`	`Bounty`	`and opacity`
`03:00.43`	`Vandal`	`but yeah sorry, I missed that this vid is not a promo trailer`
`03:00.44`	`Bounty`	`Vandal`
`03:00.46`	`Ahli`	`looked cool, great job on that ;D`
`03:00.50`	`Bounty`	`he got the enemy crystal to like 50%`
`03:00.54`	`Bounty`	`thats a huge fucking deal`
`03:00.56`	`Vandal`	`I couldn't tell by watching that`
`03:00.57`	`Bounty`	`thats how u win the game`
`03:00.58`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:01.10`	`Vandal`	`but again`
`03:01.14`	`Vandal`	`I was judging this wrongly`
`03:01.20`	`Vandal`	`I was thinking of it as a promo vid`
`03:01.27`	`Bounty`	`no way`
`03:01.30`	`Vandal`	`I see what you mean by basics demonstration`
`03:01.32`	`Bounty`	`the gameplay video will be the promo lol`
`03:01.39`	`Bounty`	`when i film a full 4v4v4 game`
`03:01.59`	`Vandal`	`yeah it seems like a cool idea, the only issue you'll have is that you won't get any serious competitive support`
`03:02.10`	`Bounty`	`why would i want that?`
`03:02.11`	`Vandal`	`and if you don't care about that`
`03:02.16`	`Vandal`	`well it doesn't matter then~`
`03:02.18`	`________________`	`what are AI Time seconds (as opposed to game time seconds)`
`03:02.21`	`Bounty`	`all it does is prevent newbies from playing lol`
`03:02.24`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`03:02.29`	`Vandal`	`well Bounty`
`03:02.36`	`Vandal`	`I would argue Valve defeated that argument with TF2`
`03:02.46`	`Vandal`	`TF2 is played on a very high level is and still very accessible to new players`
`03:02.52`	`Bounty`	`i would argue thats why Star Strikers will never be popular`
`03:02.58`	`Bounty`	`bc its been out for so long`
`03:02.59`	`Vandal`	`I don't know what Star Strikers is`
`03:03.03`	`Bounty`	`and so many ppl play it`
`03:03.05`	`Bounty`	`u cant get into it`
`03:03.08`	`Bounty`	`u just cant`
`03:03.11`	`Ahli`	`_________, I guess ai time can be made faster and stopped during the game... but I don't know. never tinkered with ai ;S`
`03:03.18`	`Bounty`	`and thats what killed mephs map`
`03:03.21`	`Bounty`	`Smashcraft`
`03:03.24`	`Shadowwolf`	`FINNALY ITS FIXED mini chop farms nows works`
`03:03.27`	`Vandal`	`I don't know what either of these maps are`
`03:03.33`	`Bounty`	`competitive maps`
`03:03.36`	`Vandal`	`Bounty would you be willing to work on my map for pay?`
`03:03.49`	`________________`	`o ok, makes sense... I'm beefing up my custom AI now so I needed to know ;)`
`03:03.49`	`Vandal`	`Did you see my forum post?`
`03:03.51`	`Bounty`	`i'd eat ass for pay`
`03:03.57`	`Bounty`	`no i did not`
`03:03.58`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:03.59`	`Ahli`	`did you remove the event, chop guy?`
`03:04.05`	`Vandal`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/29176-i-will-contract-you-to-build-my-map-s/#p3`
`03:04.07`	`Bounty`	`and i was JK with what i just said`
`03:04.22`	`Vandal`	`pass this thread around if you know any other good map makers that might be interested in a job`
`03:04.26`	`________________`	`me? Nah I decided to make the AI more agressive so the players never get to a point where mass units are dying at once`
`03:04.36`	`________________`	`hence decreasing the laag`
`03:05.08`	`Bounty`	`How about this Vandal`
`03:05.09`	`________________`	`people are gonna be pissed becuz the harass will never end :3`
`03:05.16`	`Bounty`	`go to my youtube channel and consider that my resume`
`03:05.18`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:05.28`	`Bounty`	`I think you'll be shocked at what you find`
`03:05.42`	`Ahli`	`bounty, you did like everything already ;D`
`03:05.52`	`Vandal`	`Bounty are you saying you'd be interested?`
`03:05.58`	`________________`	`http://www.youtube.com/Bounty ?`
`03:06.01`	`________________`	`lame channel`
`03:06.07`	`Bounty`	`If i can actually do what you want made then yeah`
`03:06.13`	`Vandal`	`I'm pretty sure you can`
`03:06.17`	`Vandal`	`based on what I saw already`
`03:06.21`	`Vandal`	`I want DotA but SIMPLER`
`03:06.32`	`Vandal`	`So if you can recreate DotA, you probably have more than enough`
`03:06.34`	`________________`	`i see no SC II stuff in that utube channel`
`03:06.36`	`Bounty`	`well that is what TriFaction is lol`
`03:06.43`	`Vandal`	`http://www.youtube.com/user/Bounty4321?feature=watch`
`03:06.47`	`________________`	`o gotcha`
`03:06.50`	`Bounty`	`www.youtube.com/bounty4321`
`03:06.52`	`Vandal`	`no Bounty, you don't have a DotA game without a competitive aspect`
`03:06.58`	`Bounty`	`When it comes to sc2 mapping community`
`03:07.00`	`Vandal`	`competition is why DotA is so popular`
`03:07.02`	`________________`	`wow 55`
`03:07.02`	`Bounty`	`im like fucking Ron Paul`
`03:07.07`	`Bounty`	`ive done tons of shit`
`03:07.16`	`Bounty`	`nobody knows about me`
`03:07.16`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:07.22`	`Vandal`	`well I'm new to the scene`
`03:07.29`	`Vandal`	`that is my first forum post :P`
`03:07.36`	`Bounty`	`i have 55 videos __________?`
`03:07.38`	`Bounty`	`news to me`
`03:07.50`	`Bounty`	`oh wow, i do`
`03:07.50`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:09.06`	`Ahli`	`I already did trigger stuff for a dota like map (actually a scbw version named temple siege ported to sc2), but nobody wanted to make the data stuff after arguing 1 year about the map... but I'm not interested in a job since I've enough to do with my own map ;D`
`03:09.06`	`Ahli`	`triggers contained: spawns, custom leaderboard, day/night cycle with custom timer, hero selection screen with different modes, player stats with banks`
`03:09.40`	`Vandal`	`Data stuff?`
`03:09.42`	`Vandal`	`like what?`
`03:10.13`	`Bounty`	`Now that i think about it Ahli`
`03:10.17`	`Bounty`	`I think you're right`
`03:10.18`	`Ahli`	`data would be = abilities, etc...`
`03:10.23`	`Bounty`	`I think i have quite literally done everything`
`03:10.27`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:10.46`	`Bounty`	`lets test it`
`03:10.53`	`Bounty`	`name a genre and ill see if ive made a map of it`
`03:11.29`	`Ahli`	`race?, rpg?, you did a shooting arena already, strategy game?`
`03:11.32`	`Ahli`	`td?`
`03:11.40`	`Bounty`	`racing`
`03:11.40`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy1QMuvs0UY&feature=channel_video_title`
`03:11.47`	`Bounty`	`RPG = Trifaction or any of the planetary boss maps`
`03:11.59`	`Ahli`	`that's the vid I had in mind ^^`
`03:12.03`	`Bounty`	`shooting`
`03:12.05`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy1QMuvs0UY&feature=channel_video_title`
`03:12.05`	`Ahli`	`I didnt know if you did that ^^`
`03:12.33`	`Bounty`	`strategy, technically lol`
`03:12.34`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N34zl3o5lTQ&feature=channel_video_title`
`03:12.42`	`Vandal`	`heh. Project Avatars has a lot of WoW models too :)`
`03:12.50`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:12.58`	`Bounty`	`wow models are 1000x superior to sc2 ones`
`03:13.05`	`Bounty`	`the amount of animations`
`03:13.07`	`Bounty`	`><`
`03:13.15`	`Ahli`	`the amount of file size ><`
`03:13.19`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`03:13.23`	`Vandal`	`well in SC2 all they have to do is use 1-2 attacks and maybe activate an ability`
`03:13.30`	`Bounty`	`20mb of models and textures i imported into sc2`
`03:13.36`	`Bounty`	`got compressed to like 2-3mb`
`03:13.37`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:13.48`	`________________`	`y have i never heard of your maps`
`03:14.03`	`Bounty`	`who knows`
`03:14.13`	`Bounty`	`ive been on mapster front page for every map ive made`
`03:14.18`	`Bounty`	`yet ive never been invited to mapcraft`
`03:14.21`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:14.28`	`________________`	`thats interesting`
`03:14.30`	`Bounty`	`like i said`
`03:14.35`	`Bounty`	`I'm the Ron Paul of sc2 mapping`
`03:14.40`	`Vandal`	`what is mapcraft?`
`03:14.53`	`Bounty`	`its a cast that sc2mapster does`
`03:14.56`	`Bounty`	`and they interview map makers`
`03:15.04`	`Ahli`	`and ask if they play with legos`
`03:15.08`	`Bounty`	`they interview ppl with like 1 proof of concept`
`03:15.13`	`Bounty`	`and dont say shit to me`
`03:15.16`	`Bounty`	`who has 55 videos`
`03:15.19`	`Ahli`	`and the british guy eivyn complains about everything`
`03:15.19`	`Bounty`	`showing like 30 maps`
`03:15.24`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`03:15.26`	`Bounty`	`what ahli said`
`03:15.34`	`Vandal`	`I have a prediction`
`03:15.37`	`Bounty`	`i would kill to get on that show just to give them a piece of my mind`
`03:15.39`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:15.43`	`Vandal`	`you make my map, then they invite me on the show and not you`
`03:15.52`	`________________`	`you want me to get you on mapcraft?`
`03:15.54`	`Bounty`	`i doubt it`
`03:15.59`	`Bounty`	`just bc im involved`
`03:16.01`	`Vandal`	`well I was joking`
`03:16.02`	`Bounty`	`means u wont get invited`
`03:16.05`	`Vandal`	`ah`
`03:16.09`	`Bounty`	`i shouldnt have to ask t oget invited ___________`
`03:16.12`	`Bounty`	`i think i earned it`
`03:16.16`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:16.18`	`Vandal`	`I agree`
`03:16.25`	`Bounty`	`like`
`03:16.27`	`Vandal`	`your map vids are crazy`
`03:16.33`	`Bounty`	`i showed Mozared (the host) that speed craft video`
`03:16.37`	`Bounty`	`and he had never even seen it before`
`03:16.39`	`Bounty`	`hes like wow!`
`03:16.41`	`Bounty`	`im like yeah`
`03:16.43`	`Bounty`	`that was 8 months ago`
`03:16.46`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:16.48`	`Vandal`	`;)`
`03:16.51`	`Ahli`	`I wasnt there too. but I published my demo map silently and let other people talk about it ^^ it's even on US, I wonder how many played it`
`03:17.01`	`Vandal`	`I will make my list of features and you can price them if you're seriously interested`
`03:17.29`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`03:17.40`	`Bounty`	`ill be shocked if i can 100% do them all lol`
`03:17.51`	`Vandal`	`I'm not looking for anything extravagant`
`03:20.15`	`Bounty`	`also, how do you even price a map`
`03:20.16`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:20.18`	`________________`	`One thing is for sure, you've defnintely improved a lot from your first skating DT vid from planetary fortress`
`03:20.20`	`Vandal`	`by feature`
`03:20.27`	`Bounty`	`haha you saw that _________`
`03:20.32`	`Bounty`	`that was my first map`
`03:20.35`	`________________`	`yup ;p`
`03:20.37`	`Vandal`	`you tell me how much you want paid to give me a map with the features I want`
`03:20.46`	`Vandal`	`you can divide the price by feature if it makes it easier for you`
`03:20.53`	`Bounty`	`yeah but`
`03:21.00`	`Bounty`	`are you rich`
`03:21.02`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`03:21.08`	`Bounty`	`bc im poor`
`03:21.09`	`Vandal`	`I own the map and all rights to it, I can modify it however I want, and I can sell it on the marketplace if I ever want to`
`03:21.29`	`________________`	`Bounty random question, how old are you?`
`03:21.33`	`________________`	`I'm just curious`
`03:21.33`	`Bounty`	`26`
`03:21.39`	`________________`	`O mmk`
`03:21.44`	`Bounty`	`shocked?`
`03:21.48`	`Bounty`	`i was to`
`03:21.55`	`________________`	`lol?`
`03:22.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Back.`
`03:22.04`	`Bounty`	`idk, usually ppl are shocked`
`03:22.08`	`Bounty`	`shrug`
`03:22.08`	`________________`	`Wb jades :)`
`03:22.12`	`________________`	`Oic`
`03:22.12`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`03:22.28`	`Bounty`	`well ur wrong about 1 thing vandal`
`03:22.30`	`________________`	`Nah not shocked just surprised (a lesser extent of shocked :p)`
`03:22.34`	`Bounty`	`u wouldnt own jack about the map technically`
`03:22.37`	`Bounty`	`blizz would lol`
`03:22.46`	`Vandal`	`I guess`
`03:22.51`	`Ahli`	`yes they do ;D`
`03:22.52`	`Bounty`	`but everything else is true`
`03:23.05`	`Vandal`	`well it would be true, if you agreed to the terms of the contract`
`03:23.13`	`Vandal`	`I'm putting all this up front`
`03:23.24`	`Bounty`	`how about we word it like this`
`03:23.29`	`Shadowwolf`	`Hmm I think I might start a donation Trend LOL`
`03:23.33`	`Vandal`	`I'm comissioning someone to take my idea and make it into a real game`
`03:23.34`	`Bounty`	`i would make the map but after i make it it would be as if YOU made it`
`03:23.38`	`Shadowwolf`	`heres the idea, Get people to donate Gifts on steam`
`03:23.41`	`Bounty`	`><`
`03:23.42`	`Shadowwolf`	`lol`
`03:24.06`	`Bounty`	`pssh i just need money shadowwolf`
`03:24.07`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:24.10`	`Shadowwolf`	`LAWL`
`03:24.15`	`________________`	`dont we all`
`03:24.21`	`Bounty`	`im in poverTAY`
`03:24.29`	`Shadowwolf`	`I need money to buy games, So i want to cut out the middle man and get strait to the games LOL`
`03:24.36`	`________________`	`College is rough with no money burning through your pockets :p`
`03:24.41`	`Bounty`	`i need money to give my son a christmas LOL`
`03:24.47`	`Bounty`	`therefore i win`
`03:24.53`	`Shadowwolf`	`Im 19 and broke`
`03:25.00`	`Shadowwolf`	`lawl`
`03:25.03`	`Bounty`	`im 26 and broke`
`03:25.07`	`Bounty`	`with 2 kids`
`03:25.17`	`Bounty`	`lol this is funny`
`03:25.18`	`Shadowwolf`	`Shoulda kept your pants zipped LAWL, jkman`
`03:25.22`	`________________`	`Ah, I actually thought you were kidding about 26`
`03:25.22`	`Ahli`	`I'm 22, my father died 2 months ago, I'm not broke ;D`
`03:25.23`	`Bounty`	`fighting about who has it worse`
`03:25.25`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`03:25.38`	`Bounty`	`GRIEF WARS`
`03:25.39`	`Bounty`	`GOGO`
`03:25.47`	`________________`	`Neways, gym time... Peace4now peeps`
`03:26.12`	`Ahli`	`need 2 get up in 5 hours, time to sleep, bb`
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`03:26.18`	`Bounty`	`cya lol`
`03:26.23`	`Shadowwolf`	`Im 19, my family hates me and I live in a box, my computer is made out of Discarded moldy sandwiches, I just the tomatoes as a key board, my mouse is an olive...`
`03:26.30`	`Shadowwolf`	`MY COMPUTER IS HALF EATEN...`
`03:26.43`	`Bounty`	`i still win`
`03:26.55`	`Bounty`	`your biggest issue is still matieral possessions`
`03:26.56`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:27.00`	`Shadowwolf`	`lol`
`03:27.04`	`Bounty`	`material*`
`03:27.20`	`Shadowwolf`	`lol`
`03:27.34`	`Bounty`	`Funny thing is`
`03:27.38`	`Shadowwolf`	`Probably.`
`03:27.42`	`Bounty`	`If i did not have a son i would prolly be living like Tyler Durden`
`03:28.00`	`Bounty`	`Selling soap`
`03:28.08`	`Shadowwolf`	`LAWL`
`03:28.40`	`Bounty`	`Thats how crazy hollywood is`
`03:29.08`	`Bounty`	`They can take a situation as shitty as stealing fat from lipo clinics to make soap and sell it so you can afford to live in an abandoned house`
`03:29.12`	`Bounty`	`and make it look glorious`
`03:29.20`	`Bounty`	`and oh did it look so glorious`
`03:29.41`	`Bounty`	`or`
`03:29.50`	`Shadowwolf`	`lol`
`03:29.52`	`Bounty`	`it could just be bc Brad Pitt makes everything look cool`
`03:30.27`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg, your thoughts`
`03:31.05`	`Bounty`	`neways, Vandal`
`03:31.15`	`Bounty`	`You would have to set somewhat of a price range`
`03:31.29`	`Bounty`	`Cant just ask hire someoen and ask them to name their pay`
`03:31.31`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:33.17`	`Vandal`	`well you are the one offering your services, I cannot tell you what you are worth`
`03:33.38`	`Vandal`	`judge for yourself how much time / effort it would take to deliver the asked for product`
`03:33.42`	`Vandal`	`and what that is worth to you`
`03:35.05`	`Shadowwolf`	`Im Label worth is 1.3 trillion, Im the first private trillion-air`
`03:35.33`	`Shadowwolf`	`So to use my label it will cost you 1.3 trillion$, but I will settle for a measly 1.3 billion...`
`03:35.40`	`Shadowwolf`	`Thats one thousandth the price`
`03:35.46`	`Shadowwolf`	`Think of the savings`
`03:35.55`	`Shadowwolf`	`:P`
`03:50.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Back again.`
`03:50.52`	`JademusSreg`	`I had to do husbandly things.`
`03:52.35`	`Bounty`	`u had to bang yer wife`
`03:52.37`	`Bounty`	`good man`
`03:52.41`	`JademusSreg`	`By which I do not mean drink an alcoholic beverage with which I have developed a sentimental attachment, facilitated in no small part by televised advertising, whilst occupying myself with a similarly televised local sports match./`
`03:53.05`	`JademusSreg`	`I was providing a back rub.`
`03:53.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`03:53.22`	`Bounty`	`with yer penis`
`03:53.27`	`Bounty`	`u dirty man`
`03:53.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Thoroughly calloused from many years of frictive labor.`
`03:55.30`	`Bounty`	`oh you`
`03:55.33`	`Bounty`	`always making up words`
`03:55.55`	`Bounty`	`calloused? frictive?`
`03:55.57`	`Bounty`	`cmon now`
`03:56.05`	`Bounty`	`clearly those are not words`
`03:56.08`	`Bounty`	`lololol`
`03:56.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`04:16.42`	`Vandal`	`Going to bed, goodnight!`
`04:16.47`	`Vandal`	`pass my thread around please`
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`06:52.10`	`Kueken`	`I almost awaken`
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`13:30.30`	`Mexa_`	`http://frozenbyte.com/blog/?p=1078 =D`
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`13:59.38`	`pinzu`	`n=1 ==> (0,1) n=2 ==> (0,2) (1,1) n=3 ==> (0,3) (1,2) (2,3) ... etc`
`13:59.48`	`pinzu`	`How do i define the change in a loop :<`
`13:59.54`	`pinzu`	`or sevreal`
`14:00.23`	`pinzu`	`the numbers are coordinates*`
`14:02.18`	`Xaragoth`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/29213-spire-city-wip/#p1`
`14:02.22`	`Xaragoth`	`for those interested`
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`14:04.24`	`Ahli`	`I want cookies now`
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`14:07.26`	`Ashamed`	`ahh`
`14:17.45`	`DonKalypso`	`Good morning`
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`14:36.13`	`Xaragoth`	`Baking - It's the Level Design of cake.`
`14:36.20`	`Xaragoth`	`Kinda like Legos`
`14:36.25`	`Xaragoth`	`Just ... delicious`
`14:36.26`	`Xaragoth`	`~`
`14:54.58`	`Ashamed`	`yum`
`14:55.00`	`Ashamed`	`cake`
`14:55.03`	`Ashamed`	`cheese cake`
`15:16.24`	`Ashamed`	`its friday`
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`16:34.05`	`Ashamed`	`slow friday....`
`16:35.44`	`Vandal`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/29176-i-will-contract-you-to-build-my-map-s/#p11`
`16:36.32`	`Vandal`	`I've updated the OP`
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`16:42.47`	`Mexa_`	`heyhey`
`16:43.02`	`Xaragoth`	`Bitch, please, you can't pay for my level of skills. joke`
`16:43.04`	`Xaragoth`	`Yo Mexa`
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`17:03.27`	`Ashamed`	`that dogmai guy is an idiot`
`17:03.32`	`Ashamed`	`100,000 dollars haha`
`17:04.05`	`Mexa_`	`Talking about that guy hireing people for a project?`
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`17:16.53`	`Ashamed`	`yeah`
`17:17.31`	`Ashamed`	`no one on mapsters can justifie getting paid as much as a software designer lol to make a sc2 mao`
`17:17.34`	`Ashamed`	`map*`
`17:17.45`	`Ashamed`	`I just can't believe what people say sometimes`
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`17:30.31`	`Xaragoth`	`Some could`
`17:30.35`	`Xaragoth`	`But some of us work in the industry`
`17:30.36`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`17:31.04`	`Xaragoth`	`It just doesn't make sense for these people to waste their talents on sc2 maps, no matter if they're paid or not (not that any of the contracts allow this)`
`17:31.23`	`Mexa_`	`Face it, you mod because it is fun or enjoyable`
`17:31.27`	`Mexa_`	`You don't do it for the fame`
`17:31.31`	`Mexa_`	`Nor the money`
`17:31.51`	`Mexa_`	`Although those are pluses, it's not realistiv`
`17:31.54`	`Mexa_`	`*realistic`
`17:32.28`	`Mexa_`	`Take any other game I mean.`
`17:32.30`	`Xaragoth`	`Mostly we just do it to make people happy`
`17:32.36`	`Xaragoth`	`Same as Devs`
`17:32.41`	`Xaragoth`	`But if you can make a pretty penny on the side`
`17:32.44`	`Xaragoth`	`It's never bad`
`17:32.48`	`Mexa_`	`Well sure,`
`17:33.52`	`Xaragoth`	`okay wtf`
`17:33.54`	`Mexa_`	`Who'd say no to some extra cash ;)`
`17:33.55`	`Xaragoth`	`that one SWTOR talent tree`
`17:34.02`	`Xaragoth`	`reminds me 1:1 of the assa tree of WoW`
`17:34.06`	`Xaragoth`	`double-lightsaber attacks`
`17:34.08`	`Xaragoth`	`bleed effects`
`17:34.20`	`Xaragoth`	`and stuff that could be the equivalent of poison oo`
`17:34.30`	`Xaragoth`	`and the other one`
`17:34.32`	`Xaragoth`	`is like`
`17:34.36`	`Xaragoth`	`proc of the proc of the proc of a proc`
`17:34.38`	`Xaragoth`	`wtf`
`17:35.12`	`Xaragoth`	`sometimes I wonder if Bioware ever made a game before. They just go around with their MMO Concept (except the story stuff, that's damn awesome) like they never made a game. ever.`
`17:38.04`	`Xaragoth`	`meh`
`17:38.10`	`Xaragoth`	`GSC closed their door today`
`17:38.13`	`Xaragoth`	`STALKER 2 will not happen`
`17:38.36`	`Xaragoth`	`If I wasn't eating my delicious christmas baked goods, I'd be sad.`
`17:39.52`	`JademusSreg`	`I awaken.`
`17:41.25`	`JademusSreg`	`People mod because it gives them pleasure, to whatever ends.`
`17:41.54`	`JademusSreg`	`And, assuming a project is completed and maintained, it's not bad practice for learning the development cycle, either.`
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`17:42.31`	`Xaragoth`	`It's semi-decent practice`
`17:42.48`	`Xaragoth`	`normal development cycles are a lot more complex than what we do in our free time`
`17:42.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`17:43.16`	`Xaragoth`	`Even I can't be arsed to keep up my usually work-rotations when I'm doing something in my free time`
`17:43.26`	`Xaragoth`	`Because it's not for a team of 30+`
`17:43.28`	`Xaragoth`	`It's for me`
`17:43.29`	`Xaragoth`	`:`
`17:43.30`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`17:44.35`	`Xaragoth`	`Though I tend to be able to remember every little details told about a project to me anyways`
`17:44.44`	`pinzu`	`you guys just brought something to my attention`
`17:44.47`	`Xaragoth`	`I've a pretty good mind for that, so I tend to just update myself with the GDD`
`17:44.51`	`Mexa_`	`Jademus, it's very odd by the way`
`17:44.52`	`JademusSreg`	`It is unfortunate when people sink years into a mod that could be better allocated toward the development of an independent game.`
`17:44.57`	`pinzu`	`Im considerig making a map as a schoolprojekt`
`17:45.16`	`pinzu`	`but for that to work, I need to logging everything`
`17:45.19`	`Mexa_`	`I tested controlling dialogs with keys, without any 3d world content nor it being visible`
`17:45.35`	`Mexa_`	`Yet it feels like the response time for dialogs are even worse than controlling a unit`
`17:45.35`	`pinzu`	`"as if it was a team of 30?"`
`17:46.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Pinzu, you coulds record all of your work via video. You'd definitely have logs then, which you could later review and write about.`
`17:46.01`	`pinzu`	`Mb it isnt worth it, to logg your progress that is* xd`
`17:46.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Or write as you go.`
`17:47.00`	`pinzu`	`yea but it must be horse loads of work comparing to just some standard science assigment (if you consider the time)`
`17:47.16`	`Xaragoth`	`pinzu: In a team of 30 (or in some cases up to 120 ppl) you have lots of people do different special jobs`
`17:47.25`	`Xaragoth`	`but everyone needs to be able to read up on things that others do`
`17:47.27`	`Xaragoth`	`to make sure it works`
`17:47.31`	`Xaragoth`	`it's like a giant machine`
`17:47.35`	`Xaragoth`	`bad maintenance ruins it`
`17:47.36`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`17:47.57`	`pinzu`	`^^`
`17:48.23`	`pinzu`	`the hard part is explaining a obstacle, and how you overcome it`
`17:48.48`	`pinzu`	`The teacher isnt exacly into map making`
`17:48.54`	`Mexa_`	`Roar, looks like I wont be here anymore`
`17:48.56`	`Mexa_`	`Bye!`
`17:49.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Unit orders are issued asynchronously, but for the orders to affect anything, the orders are synchronoused, kind of like how camera is asynchronous to the local player (and so has a time scale not bound by the 1/16 game second) and each 1/16gs is synchronized.`
`17:49.30`	`Xaragoth`	`pinzu: the hard part is making sure your teacher sees that as a valid task`
`17:49.47`	`Xaragoth`	`lol reminds me of the new boss my mom has`
`17:49.50`	`JademusSreg`	`*synchronized`
`17:49.58`	`Xaragoth`	`she's 50 and he's like ... 32? so he likes games`
`17:50.02`	`Xaragoth`	`and I play a lot of games too`
`17:50.04`	`Xaragoth`	`what does she do?`
`17:50.15`	`Xaragoth`	`"Can you order Anno 2070 for my boss? it's a christmas present"`
`17:50.18`	`Xaragoth`	`and I'm like "WHAT?"`
`17:50.19`	`Xaragoth`	`:D`
`17:50.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah`
`17:50.50`	`Xaragoth`	`I was sitting here, dumbstruck and thought to myself: "I didn't just hear that."`
`17:50.51`	`Xaragoth`	`^^`
`17:50.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Did she do the research that it would be the sort of game he would even enjoy?`
`17:50.56`	`Xaragoth`	`ye`
`17:51.21`	`Xaragoth`	`She got pretty mixed up in games, though she doesn't play, due to me studying game design, making maps and stuff`
`17:51.27`	`Xaragoth`	`she usually asks about current games too and all`
`17:51.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Much better research than most people get for their gifts, at least.`
`17:52.18`	`JademusSreg`	`"Here's some fucking socks." Or "I thought this game would work with your console. Sorry."`
`17:52.32`	`Xaragoth`	`heh`
`17:52.38`	`Xaragoth`	`she gets a glass from me this year`
`17:52.47`	`Xaragoth`	`it's one of these "half full-half empty" glasses`
`17:52.54`	`Xaragoth`	`it never goes half-empty`
`17:52.57`	`Xaragoth`	`she will like that one`
`17:52.57`	`Xaragoth`	`^^`
`17:53.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah, charming sentiment.`
`17:54.22`	`Xaragoth`	`told my dad to get something to drink she likes`
`17:54.25`	`Xaragoth`	`so she can try it out`
`17:54.26`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`17:54.41`	`Xaragoth`	`Also, someone go and gift me Lego-Cake-Forms for Christmas.`
`17:54.45`	`Xaragoth`	`I want to build a lego-house of noms`
`17:54.55`	`JademusSreg`	`"This glass is half full of optimisim. The other half is bourbon."`
`17:55.42`	`Xaragoth`	`heh`
`17:55.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Lego cake, that would be pretty good for my daughters in a few years. I'll need to try that.`
`17:56.02`	`Xaragoth`	`if it doesn't work`
`17:56.07`	`Xaragoth`	`you still got delicious stuff to eat`
`17:56.07`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`17:56.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Quite. I'd probably do a red velvet.`
`17:56.42`	`Xaragoth`	`hrm...`
`17:56.44`	`Ashamed`	`jade i saw these lego pads you can get`
`17:56.48`	`Ashamed`	`10x10`
`17:56.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Not my favorite kind of cake, but it is my wife's favorite, so fuck it. Someone would eat it.`
`17:56.52`	`Xaragoth`	`I should totally try to build assets out of cake`
`17:56.57`	`Xaragoth`	`like build some stuff in max`
`17:57.00`	`Xaragoth`	`and rebuild it as cake`
`17:57.02`	`Xaragoth`	`oo`
`17:57.03`	`Ashamed`	`i am going to try to make one of my sons walls with that`
`17:57.07`	`Ashamed`	`so he can build on it ;)`
`17:57.17`	`Ashamed`	`it will only cost like 200 or so not too bad.`
`17:57.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Xara, model is in max, use a 3D printer.`
`17:57.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Make the mold.`
`17:57.27`	`Xaragoth`	`nah`
`17:57.31`	`JademusSreg`	`*it`
`17:57.32`	`Xaragoth`	`I will be going crazy`
`17:57.49`	`Xaragoth`	`I'll build nails and walls out of cake and try to make a win out of it :P`
`17:57.53`	`Xaragoth`	`hrm ...`
`17:57.56`	`Xaragoth`	`chocolate nails`
`17:57.56`	`Xaragoth`	`!`
`17:58.03`	`JademusSreg`	`That is hilarious.`
`17:58.04`	`Xaragoth`	`GENIUS!`
`17:58.15`	`Xaragoth`	`I'm so going to try this`
`17:58.29`	`Xaragoth`	`I will make a full-detail photo series as soon as I got time to make this`
`17:58.44`	`JademusSreg`	`How would you make the cake sheets stable enough to nail? You could bake them with internal, edible supports, I suppose.`
`18:00.25`	`Xaragoth`	`Hrm`
`18:00.43`	`Xaragoth`	`I could just go and use a buscuit like material`
`18:00.48`	`Xaragoth`	`and make holes in the right places`
`18:00.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Ash, lego pads, with the notches for affixing lego blocks to them? And is that 10 square feet?`
`18:01.01`	`Xaragoth`	`and just put the chocolate nails in there`
`18:01.12`	`Xaragoth`	`and fill it up with ...`
`18:01.27`	`Xaragoth`	`marzipan would do`
`18:01.37`	`Xaragoth`	`and to stabelize, just add more chocolate`
`18:01.37`	`Xaragoth`	`~`
`18:01.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. "Weather proof" the structure in a chocolate coating.`
`18:04.13`	`Xaragoth`	`I think I'll just build a temple`
`18:04.15`	`Xaragoth`	`that could work`
`18:04.30`	`Xaragoth`	`stairs and stuff out of cake`
`18:04.35`	`Xaragoth`	`just make them a bit bigger`
`18:04.39`	`Xaragoth`	`and enough to make mistakes`
`18:04.45`	`Xaragoth`	`so I can cut them into the right shape`
`18:05.10`	`Xaragoth`	`this is going to be fun`
`18:08.33`	`Xaragoth`	`gusta idea mucho`
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`18:14.34`	`Xaragoth`	`damn you brain`
`18:14.41`	`Xaragoth`	`now I'm accessing how to build a stable pillar of cake`
`18:14.58`	`Xaragoth`	`and how to make sure it's actually fully baked but doesn't go ultra-crisp outside`
`18:21.04`	`Xaragoth`	`hrm ... rings`
`18:21.06`	`Xaragoth`	`that could work`
`18:21.16`	`Xaragoth`	`and something to hold them together`
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`18:41.30`	`Firefly3002`	`Hello I am trying to give a unit -1 energy regen when he has an ability on, but the unit has a +1 - +15 energy regen.`
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`18:53.05`	`[1]Mischa`	`What's the purpose of the current/default option on UnitGetPropertyFixed?`
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`19:06.37`	`Kueken`	`current = the property right now`
`19:06.53`	`Kueken`	`default = the value of the property entered in the data editor`
`19:08.51`	`[1]Mischa`	`Thanks :)`
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`19:22.50`	`pinzu`	`how to make lastcretedunit only visable to player X?`
`19:26.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Three ways.`
`19:26.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Send a hide actor message for the other players.`
`19:26.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ________________ (630a7b35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.10.123.53)`
`19:27.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Give it to the player and enable the Buried flag.`
`19:27.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Or make its owner enable shared vision for the player and enable the Buried flag.`
`19:29.24`	`pinzu`	`I choose alternative 1`
`19:29.34`	`pinzu`	`now lets see if I manage to find it`
`19:39.03`	`JademusSreg`	`http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/12/bad-code-plagues-it-applications-especially-java-ones.ars`
`19:39.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Deaod, you might like this. =D`
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`19:44.53`	`Mexa_`	`heyhey`
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`19:45.35`	`Ashamed`	`http://www.nature.com/news/rats-free-each-other-from-cages-1.9603`
`19:45.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`19:45.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Just read that on Ars.`
`19:45.56`	`JademusSreg`	`<3 Empathy`
`19:46.42`	`*** join/#sc2mapster GamerXxX (765d94f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.93.148.249)`
`19:47.06`	`GamerXxX`	`jademus you here?`
`19:47.22`	`GamerXxX`	`sigh`
`19:48.03`	`GamerXxX`	`anu1 else helpfull here?`
`19:48.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`19:48.11`	`GamerXxX`	`ah you are here`
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`19:48.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I was reading an atricle in another window.`
`19:48.23`	`JademusSreg`	`*article`
`19:48.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Part of my morning routine.`
`19:48.30`	`Bounty`	`Hello JademusSreg, how are ye`
`19:48.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi thar.`
`19:48.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm well.`
`19:48.46`	`GamerXxX`	`still having trouble with that critcal strike augment ability..`
`19:48.50`	`JademusSreg`	`I stayed up too late playing through new Terraria content.`
`19:49.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Let me say, hard mode enemies aren ot pansies.`
`19:49.11`	`JademusSreg`	`*are not`
`19:49.19`	`JademusSreg`	`How so, Gamer?`
`19:49.33`	`Bounty`	`So, JademusSreg`
`19:49.35`	`Bounty`	`Help a brother out`
`19:49.41`	`Bounty`	`What is wrong with TriFaction lol`
`19:49.55`	`Bounty`	`From your PoV`
`19:50.00`	`GamerXxX`	`well its not working for one and im not sure why i have the text be activated if it is called but, the text doesn't appear..`
`19:50.22`	`JademusSreg`	`From my PoV, I think I need to play the latest version to form criticism. May as well schedule it for today./`
`19:50.33`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm going to be busy sanding cabinetry this weekend.`
`19:50.38`	`Bounty`	`oh yea, it is friday`
`19:50.41`	`Bounty`	`best time to try it lol`
`19:50.50`	`Bounty`	`should be a good amount of ppl in the channel 2night`
`19:51.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Hopefully.`
`19:51.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Gamer, describe for me your chain of data.`
`19:52.14`	`GamerXxX`	`ok so i have my ability on my char that linking to effect, is attack meant to be the ablitily command`
`19:52.51`	`GamerXxX`	`in the effect its a apply behaviour , and has a chance of 0.25`
`19:53.09`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Jademus (Owenalacas@c-76-123-249-135.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)`
`19:53.23`	`GamerXxX`	`then that goes onto the buff - behaviour which has the damage fraction of 2`
`19:53.26`	`JademusSreg`	`What was the last message I sent?`
`19:53.51`	`GamerXxX`	`"Gamer, describe for me your chain of data"`
`19:54.01`	`JademusSreg`	`[14:52:53] <JademusSreg> Be sure to describe the classes of the data objects.`
`19:54.02`	`JademusSreg`	`[14:53:08] <JademusSreg> For instance, Augment ability, Apply Behavior effect, and so forth.`
`19:54.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Got dced before that made it thorugh.`
`19:54.14`	`JademusSreg`	`*through`
`19:54.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, the Apply Behavior effect, what is its target parameter?`
`19:54.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Is it set to target or caster?`
`19:54.49`	`JademusSreg`	`caster/source`
`19:55.02`	`GamerXxX`	`hmm ill check`
`19:55.10`	`GamerXxX`	`caster`
`19:56.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Guess I'll need to take a look at the data then. Use a service, preferably dropbox, to send it. Or PM. Or even email. But definitely not a file sharing site.`
`19:56.56`	`GamerXxX`	`could i put something into paste bin?`
`19:56.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Those sites are the unwashed, herpetic cornucopias of the internet.`
`19:57.12`	`JademusSreg`	`You could, but it wouldn't be easily read.`
`19:57.26`	`GamerXxX`	`what file are you looking for ?`
`19:57.29`	`GamerXxX`	`the map?`
`19:57.39`	`JademusSreg`	`I need to look at the data, preferably the map, yes.`
`19:57.47`	`GamerXxX`	`hmm`
`19:57.49`	`GamerXxX`	`1 sec`
`19:57.58`	`JademusSreg`	`If you're concerned about protecting proprietary whatever, you can strip out all the important elsewhat.`
`19:59.11`	`GamerXxX`	`well atm is not much of a map`
`19:59.26`	`JademusSreg`	`https://www.dropbox.com/`
`19:59.34`	`GamerXxX`	`would i put in public folder in dropbox or?`
`19:59.40`	`JademusSreg`	`It's the ideal service for sharing low volume files securely.`
`19:59.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`19:59.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Public, then get public link.`
`20:00.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Rather, Copy Public Link option.`
`20:01.57`	`GamerXxX`	`ok its in there now how do you find it?`
`20:02.22`	`JademusSreg`	`You can find it in your local directy or on the browser page.`
`20:02.47`	`GamerXxX`	`how do "you" find it i said`
`20:03.15`	`JademusSreg`	`If you have the dropbox shell extension, you can right click on the file (or whatever Mac users do), Copy Public Link and paste it here, in a private message (aka Query).`
`20:03.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Or Copy Public Link from the browser page and do likewise.`
`20:04.31`	`GamerXxX`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52406644/Hero%20Siege%20SC2.SC2Map`
`20:04.34`	`GamerXxX`	`like that?`
`20:04.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`20:04.46`	`GamerXxX`	`i was a pc user before mac man lol`
`20:05.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Only you ought to have done that in a Query; in the future, you may not want to share thosel inks with everyone in the channel.`
`20:05.30`	`GamerXxX`	`right`
`20:05.41`	`GamerXxX`	`well how long will that stay?`
`20:05.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Until you remove it.`
`20:05.56`	`JademusSreg`	`I've downloaded it already.`
`20:06.15`	`GamerXxX`	`gone`
`20:06.17`	`JademusSreg`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/EditorMeme_BossLife.jpg`
`20:06.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I love me some dropbox.`
`20:06.59`	`GamerXxX`	`i not sure whether to laugh or understand lol`
`20:07.24`	`Vandal`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/29176-i-will-contract-you-to-build-my-map-s/#p12`
`20:07.32`	`GamerXxX`	`whats a query?`
`20:09.54`	`JademusSreg`	`I private chat.`
`20:10.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I opened one up, but you may not see it, if you're using a broswer based irc client.`
`20:10.36`	`GamerXxX`	`as in msn?`
`20:10.46`	`JademusSreg`	`I got it working.`
`20:10.52`	`JademusSreg`	`You didn't enable the Autocast and Autocast Initially On flags in the ability.`
`20:11.02`	`GamerXxX`	`sigh`
`20:11.04`	`JademusSreg`	`No, as in a private irc chat channel.`
`20:11.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, the behavior needs a short duration.`
`20:11.14`	`GamerXxX`	`ok..`
`20:11.28`	`Vandal`	`Is there anywhere else I can post my contract offer?`
`20:11.35`	`Vandal`	`Like another SC2 mapping site?`
`20:11.59`	`GamerXxX`	`hmm`
`20:12.23`	`JademusSreg`	`And reset MAx Stack Count to 1.`
`20:12.28`	`GamerXxX`	`wheres the autocasts?`
`20:12.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Stats: Flags +`
`20:13.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Assuming you use Table View.`
`20:13.53`	`GamerXxX`	`yeah i think so`
`20:14.20`	`GamerXxX`	`i meant which tab`
`20:14.38`	`JademusSreg`	`The Ability.`
`20:15.01`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, an autocast effect or behavior doesn't make sense. =D`
`20:15.27`	`GamerXxX`	`found it`
`20:16.42`	`GamerXxX`	`testing`
`20:18.26`	`GamerXxX`	`hmm i wonder if i got that right`
`20:19.19`	`GamerXxX`	`short duration = 1 or less?`
`20:19.55`	`JademusSreg`	`0.0625`
`20:20.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Oi, where is the full list of developer commands?`
`20:20.26`	`GamerXxX`	`you asking me?`
`20:20.35`	`*** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (~Raziel@78.97.99.188)`
`20:20.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm asking the public.`
`20:20.51`	`GamerXxX`	`k`
`20:21.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, the changes I made make it pretty sweet. By which I mean it works, is seemless, and terribly OP.`
`20:21.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Like one shotting an ultralisk.`
`20:21.50`	`JademusSreg`	`*seamless`
`20:22.21`	`JademusSreg`	`The buff is applied for so brief a duration the damage bonus doesn't even appear in the command card, but it works.`
`20:22.55`	`GamerXxX`	`did the text appear in yours?`
`20:23.02`	`GamerXxX`	`the "2x"`
`20:23.14`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Mexa_ (~Mexa@c-83-233-58-176.cust.bredband2.com)`
`20:25.26`	`GamerXxX`	`jademus?`
`20:27.39`	`GamerXxX`	`uo still there?`
`20:28.58`	`JademusSreg`	`I was chnanging a diaper.`
`20:29.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, I didn't look at the text tag trigger yet.`
`20:30.18`	`GamerXxX`	`hmm if i set the damage fractin say 100 would that one hit the ultralisk?`
`20:30.36`	`JademusSreg`	`It's not a damage dealing effect, so that is the wrong behavior.`
`20:30.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Erm, condition.`
`20:30.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Sorry.`
`20:30.48`	`GamerXxX`	`lol`
`20:30.54`	`JademusSreg`	`The condition needs to check if the behavior is on the attacker.`
`20:31.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Then it should work.`
`20:31.26`	`JademusSreg`	`bbl`
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`21:41.20`	`GamerXxX`	`Jademus you back?`
`21:41.59`	`JademusSreg`	`More or less.`
`21:42.55`	`GamerXxX`	`still think i was have trouble with that crit strike... sigh`
`21:43.42`	`JademusSreg`	`How so?`
`21:45.57`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, trouble is rather vague. =D`
`21:46.41`	`GamerXxX`	`one i think i got the trigger mixed up but that doesnt matter as much and two well it just not doing any thing`
`21:46.58`	`JademusSreg`	`What's not doing anything?`
`21:46.59`	`GamerXxX`	`the damge is defientely in the damage fraction right?`
`21:47.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`21:47.19`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll make an example map.`
`21:47.28`	`GamerXxX`	`cause i set that too 100000 so it should be 1 hitting em`
`21:47.28`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a pretty simple principle.`
`21:48.02`	`GamerXxX`	`well this is from the guy who almost no starcraft editor knowledge b4 hand`
`21:48.06`	`JademusSreg`	`My time is limited, so I'm not sure if I'll be able to do it./`
`21:48.06`	`GamerXxX`	`me i mean`
`21:48.17`	`*** join/#sc2mapster QueenGambit (cebc2001@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.188.32.1)`
`21:48.34`	`QueenGambit`	`Hi guys`
`21:48.44`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm massaging my ego by watching people play Photon Cycles on youtube, and also preparing dinner.`
`21:49.12`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll try to fit in making an example map for you.`
`21:49.12`	`GamerXxX`	`is the trigger meant to be set to behaviour is allowed for player?`
`21:49.13`	`QueenGambit`	`Hi Jademus, long time no see`
`21:49.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi Queen.`
`21:49.22`	`JademusSreg`	`What's up?`
`21:49.48`	`QueenGambit`	`Just reinstalled sc2 and checking out the website and the game, seems the same to me`
`21:50.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Will be until about January or February.`
`21:50.39`	`QueenGambit`	`Photon cycles was always fun to play, maybe I will start making another map, i never really finished one`
`21:51.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Gopher it =D`
`21:53.36`	`QueenGambit`	`Theres a thread about "what went wrong with reccent maps" my comment (which i dont wanna put on the thread) is that there is different group of people playing sc2 now, times have changed, lots of new games out`
`21:55.04`	`QueenGambit`	`And what Eternalwrath said, "Majority(importance) > Minority". If a lot of ppl just want to play photon cycles or income wars, then you cant control that and blame bnet`
`21:55.21`	`QueenGambit`	`a. because photon cycles is awesome =)`
`21:55.58`	`QueenGambit`	`I apologize for my english, its been awhile`
`21:58.11`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't really read the forums. Haha`
`21:58.34`	`JademusSreg`	`I figure if it's not important enough for someone to tell me, I don't need to read it.`
`21:58.50`	`QueenGambit`	`aah that makes sense lol`
`21:59.04`	`QueenGambit`	`so Jademus, anything new you are working on?`
`21:59.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, I've always taken the most selfish, almost solipsist view one can have regarding map development.`
`21:59.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I think of what I would like to play, and make that.`
`22:00.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Popularity is only of secondary importance; I mean, I need people to play with, of course, and the more popular it is, the more people I have with which to play.`
`22:00.53`	`QueenGambit`	`actually I think thats a good advice people should take on (that is my philosophy too). Many people are lacking in motivation because of the demotivating atmosphere about complainign an flaming and raging on forums and other places`
`22:01.10`	`QueenGambit`	`Do what makes you happy and have fun with it, dont worry about popularity`
`22:01.20`	`JademusSreg`	`But concerning oneself with things ultimately beyond one's control (but not beyond one's ability to influence) is neurotic madness.`
`22:01.27`	`QueenGambit`	`and play minecraft once inawhile, that is always fun`
`22:01.56`	`QueenGambit`	`exactly Jademus and its that sense of power and influence that drives ppl mad`
`22:02.13`	`QueenGambit`	`take that out of the equation and enjoy what u want to do, many map makers have lost that`
`22:02.37`	`JademusSreg`	`So I encourage a form of modest selfishness here: "Make what you would enjoy playing and fuck everything else."`
`22:02.38`	`QueenGambit`	`granted, i havent been really playing in a long time nor made a sucessful map but that doesnt matter`
`22:02.48`	`QueenGambit`	`amen Jademus`
`22:02.52`	`GamerXxX`	`lol`
`22:05.26`	`JademusSreg`	`And if other people like it, well, that's a bonus. =D`
`22:05.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Kind of like playing Super Mario Land 3, and collecting all the warp flutes, but not using them.`
`22:08.42`	`GamerXxX`	`is the attack command meant to be attack?`
`22:09.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Probably, yeah. Just like Charge.`
`22:09.15`	`GamerXxX`	`ablity command srry`
`22:09.20`	`GamerXxX`	`k`
`22:09.48`	`GamerXxX`	`that not it then..`
`22:10.45`	`*** part/#sc2mapster QueenGambit (cebc2001@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.188.32.1)`
`22:12.58`	`GamerXxX`	`on the effect is the unit value = caster?`
`22:13.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Should be. Charge is a pretty good example of what you want to do.`
`22:13.48`	`GamerXxX`	`doi..`
`22:15.56`	`GamerXxX`	`hmm on charge the mod is on damage dealt maximum not fraction... hmm`
`22:16.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Charge doesn't add damage.`
`22:16.56`	`JademusSreg`	`I just meant that the way Charge works is similar.`
`22:17.03`	`GamerXxX`	`ah.`
`22:17.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Only it varies in how it mods the caster.`
`22:17.35`	`GamerXxX`	`any1 got a brick wall i want to bang my head against it...`
`22:19.07`	`GamerXxX`	`0.25 = 25% right?`
`22:19.15`	`GamerXxX`	`in chance`
`22:39.34`	`Vandal`	`I'm surprised by the lack of people who want to be paid to make maps`
`22:47.54`	`Mexa_`	`You're a modder, why would you expect to be paid?`
`22:52.01`	`Vandal`	`... buh`
`22:52.05`	`Vandal`	`I'm OFFERING MONEY`
`22:52.17`	`Vandal`	`Even money UP FRONT`
`22:52.20`	`Vandal`	`BEFORE they work`
`22:52.35`	`Vandal`	`This community baffles me`
`22:52.57`	`Vandal`	`Oh well, maybe I'm just being impatient, maybe over the weekend more people will see the threads`
`22:53.27`	`Vandal`	`What you said sounds like "because we do not expect anyone to pay us, we refuse to work for pay"`
`22:56.36`	`Xaragoth`	`People just don't see the point, I guess`
`22:56.39`	`Xaragoth`	`even with money`
`22:56.43`	`Xaragoth`	`they do this in their free time`
`22:56.48`	`Vandal`	`The point in making money doing something they like to do?`
`22:56.51`	`Vandal`	`It sounds like a dream job to me`
`22:56.51`	`Xaragoth`	`sure, we have a few professionals around`
`22:57.00`	`Xaragoth`	`but those are limited by contracts :p`
`22:57.02`	`Xaragoth`	`well`
`22:57.07`	`Xaragoth`	`they should make your stuff`
`22:57.13`	`Xaragoth`	`what makes you think they will like that?`
`22:57.18`	`Vandal`	`It isn't like I will refuse them any creative license`
`22:57.28`	`Vandal`	`If they have good ideas I'm more than willing to let them use them`
`22:57.59`	`Vandal`	`I did not make my feature requests super specific on purpose`
`22:58.15`	`Vandal`	`People do their best work when they are not micromanaged`
`22:58.29`	`Xaragoth`	`I tend to disagree`
`22:58.37`	`Xaragoth`	`knowing how badshit crazy I go without a supervisor to tame me`
`22:58.46`	`Vandal`	`Yeah but is some of it really awesome?`
`22:58.53`	`Xaragoth`	`sure`
`22:59.02`	`Xaragoth`	`but you'd need 3 graphics cards to handle it`
`22:59.02`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`22:59.07`	`Vandal`	`:P`
`22:59.16`	`Vandal`	`Well obviously you gotta work within the constraints of the engine`
`22:59.19`	`Vandal`	`That has nothing to do with me`
`23:01.58`	`Xaragoth`	`I. Break. Engines.`
`23:02.13`	`Xaragoth`	`Says so in my job description`
`23:02.13`	`Bounty`	`Which is why you accomplish nothing`
`23:02.17`	`Bounty`	`Hello btw`
`23:02.19`	`Bounty`	`lololol`
`23:02.32`	`Xaragoth`	`Better than producing one shit map after the other and not getting anything done either Bounty`
`23:02.35`	`Xaragoth`	`So, right back at you`
`23:02.35`	`Xaragoth`	`:P`
`23:02.42`	`Bounty`	`thats your opinion`
`23:02.46`	`Bounty`	`plenty of ppl to disagree with u ><`
`23:02.55`	`Xaragoth`	`Plenty of people like the US Goverment`
`23:02.59`	`Xaragoth`	`Doesn't mean they are right either`
`23:02.59`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`23:03.11`	`Vandal`	`Hello Bounty`
`23:03.14`	`Vandal`	`I revamped the OP`
`23:03.15`	`Xaragoth`	`It's all opinions after all`
`23:03.21`	`Bounty`	`So everyone else is wrong except u? :)`
`23:03.21`	`Vandal`	`or maybe I did that last night`
`23:03.25`	`Vandal`	`I forget now`
`23:03.29`	`Vandal`	`but I also posted on Team Liquid`
`23:03.32`	`Vandal`	`no responses there yet`
`23:03.37`	`Bounty`	`Sec Vandal, i must slay these beast`
`23:03.43`	`Bounty`	`this*`
`23:03.50`	`Vandal`	`no worries, I'm going out to get my dinner, brb`
`23:03.55`	`Xaragoth`	`Psch, way in over your head Bounty :p`
`23:04.16`	`Bounty`	`I hold the sword of 1000 truths`
`23:04.35`	`Bounty`	`which means it has 1000 things you know nothing of`
`23:04.40`	`Bounty`	`><`
`23:04.46`	`Xaragoth`	`Doesn't matter`
`23:04.49`	`Xaragoth`	`I have this Spork.`
`23:04.50`	`Bounty`	`slays you`
`23:04.53`	`Xaragoth`	`Richard approved.`
`23:04.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`23:05.08`	`Bounty`	`Its to late`
`23:05.25`	`Xaragoth`	`http://chzscience.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/funny-science-news-experiments-memes-crap-everyone-out-of-the-building.jpg`
`23:05.28`	`Xaragoth`	`I need one of these`
`23:05.30`	`Xaragoth`	`Just for Level Design`
`23:05.31`	`Bounty`	`so`
`23:05.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Back. Made some burgers. Not my standard fare, but the grocery was out of ground turkey.`
`23:05.33`	`Bounty`	`i emoted that you have been slain`
`23:05.48`	`Xaragoth`	`ground turkey?`
`23:05.50`	`Xaragoth`	`dafu?`
`23:06.11`	`Bounty`	`for the record, you loved doodad hunt xara`
`23:06.13`	`Xaragoth`	`is that some elaborate term of yours for POTATO?`
`23:06.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Ground turkey > ground beef`
`23:06.17`	`Bounty`	`so i win`
`23:06.21`	`Xaragoth`	`Bounty: Only after I broke your game!`
`23:06.29`	`Bounty`	`nuh uh`
`23:06.32`	`Xaragoth`	`I turned it into a goddamn "Chase the pole" :P`
`23:06.39`	`Bounty`	`when you first played it on custom live`
`23:06.41`	`Bounty`	`you spoke the words`
`23:06.45`	`Bounty`	`and ill never forget them`
`23:06.57`	`Bounty`	`because it was the one time pure joy and happiness came from you`
`23:07.02`	`Bounty`	`"I LIKE IT! I LIKE IT!"`
`23:07.07`	`Bounty`	`So you're welcome`
`23:07.14`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`23:07.15`	`Xaragoth`	`You never saw me eating puppies for breakfast`
`23:07.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I liked how you could just outrun motherfuckers if you were a doodad and had a modicum of coordination.`
`23:07.34`	`Xaragoth`	`JademusSreg: Ya`
`23:07.37`	`Xaragoth`	`Pick the giant pole thingy`
`23:07.39`	`Bounty`	`well everyone ran at the same speed`
`23:07.42`	`Xaragoth`	`RUN LIKE HELL`
`23:07.42`	`Xaragoth`	`xD`
`23:07.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`23:07.51`	`Bounty`	`doodads could be one shot so`
`23:07.54`	`Bounty`	`it kinda made sense to me`
`23:07.56`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:08.14`	`Xaragoth`	`the hilarity ensued due to making something entirely unexpected`
`23:08.21`	`Xaragoth`	`that's actually kinda how QA works`
`23:08.33`	`Xaragoth`	`"How do I break it in the most badshit crazy way possible?"`
`23:08.37`	`Bounty`	`i dont recall anything happen that was unexpected lol`
`23:08.46`	`JademusSreg`	`True fact: Physics related bugs in Infamous were in turn made into features.`
`23:08.48`	`Xaragoth`	`Bounty: Concept was - Hide and Seek`
`23:08.52`	`Xaragoth`	`We turned it into a giant chase game`
`23:08.53`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`23:08.56`	`JademusSreg`	`See the electrical tether ability.`
`23:08.59`	`Xaragoth`	`ye`
`23:09.05`	`Bounty`	`well yeah, if the seekers suck`
`23:09.07`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:09.09`	`Xaragoth`	`I remember that for a game they had a rat`
`23:09.11`	`Xaragoth`	`and c4`
`23:09.13`	`Xaragoth`	`and time-stop`
`23:09.19`	`Xaragoth`	`put out rat`
`23:09.21`	`Xaragoth`	`put c4 on it`
`23:09.24`	`Xaragoth`	`stop time`
`23:09.33`	`Xaragoth`	`run rat (crazy shit, no idea why)`
`23:09.38`	`Xaragoth`	`REMOTE RAT BOMB`
`23:09.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`23:09.42`	`Xaragoth`	`true QA fact`
`23:09.49`	`Xaragoth`	`broke the game so bad`
`23:09.53`	`Xaragoth`	`they had to remove the rat`
`23:09.53`	`Xaragoth`	`xD`
`23:09.59`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`23:10.09`	`Xaragoth`	`was meant to distract guards and such`
`23:10.17`	`Bounty`	`Jademus`
`23:10.21`	`Bounty`	`Did you see the new addition to page 1?`
`23:10.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
`23:10.29`	`Bounty`	`It got there 3 days after it was released`
`23:10.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Congrats.`
`23:10.38`	`Bounty`	`I've yet to try it because i might enrage`
`23:10.42`	`Bounty`	`congrats?`
`23:10.44`	`Bounty`	`its not mine`
`23:10.48`	`Bounty`	`its some random fucking map`
`23:10.49`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:10.53`	`Xaragoth`	`gz`
`23:10.54`	`JademusSreg`	`How the fuck am I supposed to know?`
`23:11.00`	`JademusSreg`	`I just infered from context.`
`23:11.02`	`Bounty`	`Nightmare in the Laboratory`
`23:11.11`	`Bounty`	`BECAUSE MAN U NEED TO GET WITH THE TIMES`
`23:11.13`	`Bounty`	`jeez`
`23:11.16`	`JademusSreg`	`no u`
`23:11.18`	`Bounty`	`this only happens once evry 4-5 minutes`
`23:11.39`	`Xaragoth`	`Waiting for Skyrim SDK`
`23:11.53`	`Xaragoth`	`Want to see how badly I can break the engine with rocks.`
`23:11.55`	`Xaragoth`	`Lots of rocks.`
`23:11.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`23:12.09`	`Bounty`	`The engine is already broken`
`23:12.12`	`JademusSreg`	`If anything, Skyrim doesn't have enough rocks.`
`23:12.21`	`JademusSreg`	`I was always finding ways inside them.`
`23:12.27`	`Xaragoth`	`Rock Apocalypse`
`23:12.27`	`Bounty`	`It doesnt take much to break glass that has shit loads of cracks in it Xara`
`23:12.33`	`Bounty`	`Which is the best way to sum up Skyrim`
`23:12.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Arockalypse.`
`23:12.51`	`Xaragoth`	`Bounty: Not if it's secure glass`
`23:12.59`	`Bounty`	`sounds like some like douche bag concert jademus`
`23:13.00`	`Xaragoth`	`In Soviet Epic Games, Glass breaks you.`
`23:13.07`	`Xaragoth`	`That damn Unreal 3.5 Demo`
`23:13.23`	`Bounty`	`OOOH YEEAEAA, WELCOME TO AROCKALYPSE, I CANT HEEEAR YOUUUU HOUSTTON`
`23:13.31`	`Xaragoth`	`lol`
`23:13.44`	`Bounty`	`but u gotta do it in that old school rock voice`
`23:13.48`	`Bounty`	`like guns n roses`
`23:14.57`	`Xaragoth`	`heh`
`23:14.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds like some like Valley manner of like speaking or like a cognitive like speech disorder.`
`23:15.31`	`Xaragoth`	`hrm`
`23:15.41`	`Xaragoth`	`moar christmas things to eat`
`23:15.53`	`Xaragoth`	`Wonder if I should work on the spire city`
`23:15.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Hunt some reindeert.`
`23:15.59`	`JademusSreg`	`-t`
`23:16.06`	`Xaragoth`	`or rather fix the damn zerg level`
`23:16.10`	`Xaragoth`	`or fix the installation level`
`23:16.15`	`Xaragoth`	`options over options`
`23:16.21`	`Xaragoth`	`or maybe I will animate some more`
`23:16.29`	`Xaragoth`	`or maybe I should just go to sleep`
`23:16.30`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`23:18.50`	`Xaragoth`	`oh, or maybe I should do that UDK free run level layout`
`23:19.06`	`Xaragoth`	`so many choices of how to waste my free time`
`23:19.07`	`Xaragoth`	`~`
`23:20.26`	`JademusSreg`	`You know what they say; it's not a waste if it brings you to climax.`
`23:20.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Erm, wait, maybe they say "if you enjoy it".`
`23:20.44`	`Xaragoth`	`calling the girl it is`
`23:20.45`	`Xaragoth`	`:p`
`23:21.59`	`Xaragoth`	`meh, I should probably focus on the stuff I need for the videosigh`
`23:22.12`	`Xaragoth`	`so, the installation and zerg level are up on the list`
`23:22.34`	`Bounty`	`Going to play TriFaction with us tonight Jadie? :)`
`23:25.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`23:25.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, Jadie? What the fuck? Haha`
`23:26.54`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:27.01`	`Bounty`	`shrug`
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`23:33.07`	`CryptRat`	`Who is the 'owner' of a beaviour that I apply to another player's unit?`
`23:33.41`	`CryptRat`	`I seem to recall the behaviour is owned by the player who owns the unit it's on.`
`23:33.59`	`CryptRat`	`But I want the behaviour to give minerals to the player who applied the behaviour when the unit dies.`
`23:34.20`	`CryptRat`	`(The behaviour not actually doing any damage.)`
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`23:49.40`	`JademusSreg`	`brb, wrapping Chistmas presents for the children.`

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