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| 00:03.48 | XenoX101 | does anyone know why my weapon switching trigger would suddenly stop working? |
| 00:04.05 | XenoX101 | after I copied triggers/data from one map to another? |
| 00:04.13 | XenoX101 | I've already copied triggers & data between maps before |
| 00:04.25 | XenoX101 | with this data/trigger and had no issues |
| 00:30.40 | XenoX101 | guys |
| 00:30.52 | XenoX101 | I have no idea why this simple port isn't working |
| 00:30.59 | XenoX101 | when all my other identical ports have worked perfectly |
| 00:31.13 | XenoX101 | its actually only two abilities that messed up, and one of them is just the actor |
| 00:36.44 | XenoX101 | hm ok so it has to do with environment effects |
| 00:36.47 | XenoX101 | Player 1 uses effect X |
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| 00:50.14 | Kueken | oh wow new blizzard tutorial |
| 00:50.16 | Kueken | on data |
| 00:50.25 | Kueken | -> busy, reading ;) |
| 00:59.26 | Kueken | heh |
| 00:59.40 | Kueken | was hoping on some more advanced stuff, but well |
| 00:59.56 | Kueken | nice reference to point all data newcomers to |
| 01:14.15 | XenoX101 | let me guess, "How to create missile firing abilities in Data!" |
| 01:18.00 | Ahli | nope |
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| 01:28.59 | Kueken | not even that |
| 01:29.10 | Kueken | more like "how to modify weapon speed" :D |
| 01:29.21 | Kueken | well the actor events part is quite nice |
| 01:29.27 | Kueken | but also only basics |
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| 01:30.31 | Kueken | still waiting for this huge bad-ass actor tutorial revealing every possibility and explaining every field in detail |
| 01:30.33 | pinzu | how to change the actor of a unit? |
| 01:31.12 | Kueken | do you ask if this is answered in the tutorial, or is this actually your question? |
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| 01:31.31 | pinzu | its actually a question ;p |
| 01:31.37 | Kueken | ;) |
| 01:32.05 | Kueken | the actors link to the units they belong to |
| 01:32.13 | Kueken | the topmost field is the unit token |
| 01:32.27 | Kueken | if you change that, the actor belongs to another unit |
| 01:32.39 | Kueken | or do you mean on the fly? |
| 01:32.48 | pinzu | in a trigger, |
| 01:32.52 | pinzu | want to hide it under ground |
| 01:33.00 | pinzu | but still be selectable |
| 01:33.12 | pinzu | or highlightable |
| 01:33.12 | Kueken | you could enable the "burrowed" flag |
| 01:33.31 | Kueken | for the unit |
| 01:34.10 | Kueken | you could also set the obacity to 0 |
| 01:34.19 | Kueken | *opacity |
| 01:34.35 | Kueken | or use a site operation to lower the actor |
| 01:34.49 | pinzu | umm |
| 01:35.32 | pinzu | I really dont know more then "send actor to unit..." and im clueless to what I should select |
| 01:37.09 | Kueken | for making the unit burrowed, you would modify the unit in the data editor |
| 01:37.16 | Kueken | or create a matching behavior |
| 01:37.43 | pinzu | its passive, would making it burrowed allow other players to highlight it? |
| 01:37.46 | Kueken | for making it transparent, you would use send actor message to main actor of unit -> set opacity 0 |
| 01:37.48 | pinzu | neutral* |
| 01:38.07 | Kueken | probably not, burrowen usually means cloaked |
| 01:38.09 | Kueken | *d |
| 01:41.02 | A1win | burrowed flag does nothing visual on the unit, zerg units for example have both burrowed and clocked flags set |
| 01:41.14 | A1win | or actually, burrowed does remove the cloak effect from the unit if it's cloaked |
| 01:41.29 | A1win | zerg units morph into a different unit when they are burrowed |
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| 01:47.02 | pinzu | " THough if i remember correctly, I didnt change unit heigt, I changed the height of the actor of the unit, smt like send actor to msg... too long dont remeber." I literally need the exact line to insert it... :> |
| 01:50.14 | pinzu | oh, tested opacity and it worked, much appreciated |
| 02:04.36 | Otixa | scratches his cheek |
| 02:04.59 | Otixa | tl;dr |
| 02:05.04 | Otixa | goes back to work |
| 02:09.57 | XenoX101 | arr |
| 02:10.03 | XenoX101 | this abduct ability is so annoying |
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| 02:10.14 | XenoX101 | I only want it to not work in space |
| 02:10.24 | XenoX101 | but "Is passable" apparently doesnt work on cliffs |
| 02:10.27 | Frostwind | Anyone know if bank sigs only work online? |
| 02:10.36 | XenoX101 | so if I put my unit on a cliff and use it |
| 02:10.39 | XenoX101 | the ability still doesn't work |
| 02:10.47 | Ahli | frostwind, they work online and offline |
| 02:11.08 | Frostwind | They don't seem to work offline. |
| 02:11.42 | Frostwind | I saved a bank with a sig and then during loading i check it and it says the sigs don't match |
| 02:12.00 | Ahli | I made a small testmap and banks are only broken during their creation = first game |
| 02:12.26 | Frostwind | No matter what it always says the sigs don't match |
| 02:12.27 | Ahli | after restarting the map the bank file had a signature for me |
| 02:13.16 | Frostwind | Are you NA or EU, Ahli? |
| 02:13.37 | Ahli | EU |
| 02:13.42 | Frostwind | damn |
| 02:13.51 | Ahli | http://www.4shared.com/file/8NPIbJQH/bankTest.html |
| 02:13.51 | Ahli | test it |
| 02:13.57 | Ahli | works for me after I restart the map |
| 02:17.09 | Frostwind | Ahli: it worked. funny thing is in my map i preload the banks -> open the banks -> Set to use sigs -> check sigs |
| 02:17.15 | Frostwind | just like you did |
| 02:17.48 | Frostwind | yet always comes up unverified |
| 02:19.37 | Ahli | since you are NA, you could post your "bug" in Blizzards forums |
| 02:20.16 | Ahli | or do you have a program that might edit the files without your knowledge? |
| 02:20.39 | Frostwind | i have nothing touching the files except the game |
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| 02:21.39 | Ahli | you could try and disable your anti virus guard for a second, but I dont think that any program is so terribly written that it modifies something on the files while scanning ;D |
| 02:22.56 | Frostwind | i use kaspersky, no way it is |
| 02:23.45 | Frostwind | plus if something was then how would it continue to do so after i changed the name of the banks |
| 02:27.44 | Frostwind | so no one knows??? |
| 02:28.09 | Ahli | I don't understand your question |
| 02:29.11 | Ahli | also I missed that you stated that it worked ;S damned selection |
| 02:29.23 | Frostwind | simple, my banks sigs never match |
| 02:29.46 | Ahli | what's your bank named? |
| 02:29.51 | Ahli | *how's |
| 02:30.25 | Frostwind | Cronus Account |
| 02:30.37 | Ahli | try it without the space |
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| 02:32.28 | Ahli | I think I had the issue that spaces didnt work in that names for loading the file a long time ago... but I'm not sure ;D |
| 02:32.50 | Ahli | also, every bank that I have on my computer doesn't use spaces |
| 02:33.33 | Frostwind | nope, still failed at verified |
| 02:36.05 | Ahli | so, I've no idea. You have to tinker with it and verify that everything in your code is executed in the correct order, but I think you already did that... :S |
| 02:37.24 | Frostwind | i have it 1st preload the banks. then open the banks, set them to a variable, then set sig to true. then check sig |
| 02:38.05 | Frostwind | no other way to do it |
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| 02:52.58 | Ahli | did you make sure that you save the bank? |
| 02:53.05 | Frostwind | yes |
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| 03:04.45 | Frostwind | so no one knows??? |
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| 03:29.13 | CryptRat | The model in my actor isn't scaling. :( |
| 03:30.21 | Ahli | try another actor type |
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| 03:31.01 | CryptRat | I copied an actor that I was previously able to scale. :/ |
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| 03:40.21 | JademusSreg | Better to scale from the model, unless you're scaling dynamically. |
| 03:42.09 | CryptRat | Really? |
| 03:42.17 | CryptRat | Why? |
| 03:42.31 | CryptRat | I would think that models used by multiple actors would justify scaling in the actor. |
| 03:46.13 | CryptRat | Also, I was recently advised that the map dimensions was the largest contributing factor to file size. How much do the other file components matter? |
| 03:48.25 | CryptRat | Why is there a model flag titled "Teen Safe"? o_O |
| 03:49.32 | CryptRat | Modifying the Model doesn't seem to have any effect. |
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| 03:57.17 | JademusSreg | Map dimensions are indirectly, due to the terrain texture masks. |
| 03:57.39 | JademusSreg | Crypt, are you sure you're modifying the correct model and actor data? |
| 03:58.42 | CryptRat | I tried Actor - Scale and Model - Min/Max Scale |
| 03:59.04 | CryptRat | The actor was a model actor, the model was a misslefx (Lurker spikes) |
| 03:59.40 | CryptRat | I have a weapon that just launches a spike when a unit is stepped on. |
| 03:59.55 | JademusSreg | I've not had any trouble modifying them, which is why I asm. |
| 03:59.56 | JademusSreg | *ask |
| 04:00.13 | JademusSreg | Also, modifying from the model is preferable, especially for buildable structures. |
| 04:00.17 | CryptRat | I was able to modify a copy of one of the actors earlier, which is perplexing me as well. |
| 04:01.01 | JademusSreg | I don't know howm any times I've seen maps where a structure was rescaled from the actor, but the build placement model wasn't rescaled. |
| 04:02.18 | CryptRat | This is the first time I've ever had any problems when trying to rescale an actor |
| 04:02.38 | CryptRat | And I was able to modify an earlier copy of this same actor. x_x |
| 04:02.50 | CryptRat | I'm thinking it has something to do with the lurker's attack animation |
| 04:03.05 | CryptRat | like some attack actor being necessary |
| 04:03.58 | CryptRat | But again, I tried rescaling the model, and it didn't seem to do anyhting (100.00) |
| 04:05.09 | CryptRat | Oh well. It's not critical. |
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| 05:17.00 | ________________ | so the editor is yelling @ me about some actor textures not existing... but i obviously see the actor perfectly fine with its textures preplaced in the editor |
| 05:17.06 | ________________ | how can i get rid of the misleading error |
| 05:18.50 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 05:19.09 | JademusSreg | I've not heard this error before,. |
| 05:19.21 | ________________ | its the um |
| 05:19.24 | ________________ | templestatue |
| 05:19.33 | ________________ | try preplacing it, saving the map then reopning the editor |
| 05:19.59 | ________________ | doodad btw |
| 05:20.00 | JademusSreg | Texture Replace By Id? Or is this unrelated? |
| 05:20.07 | ________________ | unrelated |
| 05:20.15 | ________________ | its just a normal doodad |
| 05:27.44 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 05:28.15 | JademusSreg | I wonder if there is something in the doodad requesting a texture swap. |
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| 05:30.09 | ________________ | o interesting, there is but its default from blizz |
| 05:30.36 | ________________ | i doubt they'd add a fuk'd up doodad theirself |
| 05:32.06 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:32.36 | JademusSreg | You'd be surprised what they fuck up. It's simple human oversight, it happens. |
| 05:32.57 | ________________ | whats the most weird is that the doodad shows fine in game |
| 05:33.02 | ________________ | with the textures nice and visible |
| 05:33.05 | ________________ | and in the editor i mean |
| 05:33.06 | JademusSreg | Of course, it's not like Blizzard is Bethesda... |
| 05:33.13 | ________________ | lol |
| 05:35.23 | ________________ | This error is gonna bug me forever |
| 05:36.06 | JademusSreg | Delete the actor event. |
| 05:36.24 | ________________ | there isn't one... The swap isn't called in the actor |
| 05:36.32 | ________________ | There's just declarations in the doodad |
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| 05:36.58 | JademusSreg | Oh. Odd. Try deleting that then. |
| 05:37.41 | ________________ | mmk i will |
| 05:37.49 | ________________ | oh and ty for the mousepos triggers |
| 05:37.53 | ________________ | very helpful |
| 05:38.07 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 05:38.30 | ________________ | i had fun earlier... made a trigger that let me create any number of units for any player at my mouse by typing it |
| 05:38.35 | ________________ | created a few wars |
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| 05:38.44 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 05:38.54 | ________________ | but that wasn't the point of needing your help ofc lol |
| 05:39.16 | JademusSreg | Glad I can enable the fun of others. |
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| 05:42.23 | ________________ | is there a way to deselect using the keyboard? |
| 05:48.40 | ________________ | & o wow, no error |
| 05:48.45 | ________________ | interesting fuck up blizz |
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| 06:00.02 | Otixa | JademusSreg: You smell :D |
| 06:00.07 | Otixa | i.e. G'mornin |
| 06:00.16 | ________________ | ^ |
| 06:00.26 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 06:10.53 | ________________ | interesting |
| 06:11.17 | ________________ | now the editor is yelling at me (the trigger debugger in game) bcuz my bunkers dont have a shield while theyre getting attacke |
| 06:11.18 | ________________ | d |
| 06:11.24 | ________________ | this is def new |
| 06:12.33 | ________________ | weird, my bunkers magically gained shield somehow in the data editor |
| 06:16.35 | JademusSreg | Haha, |
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| 06:51.44 | ________________ | zzzz i hate computer players |
| 06:52.05 | ________________ | im trying to force a comp out of the game so i can test some player leaving triggers but the comp doesnt leave |
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| 08:57.51 | DonKalypso | Wow, that worked |
| 08:58.13 | DonKalypso | Whaddup?! |
| 09:01.00 | DonKalypso | *Sadness* |
| 09:19.07 | DonKalypso | Is anyone awake right now? |
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| 09:30.00 | DonKalypso | Hi |
| 09:52.38 | XenoX101 | sigh |
| 09:52.42 | XenoX101 | data editor freezing up when I delete actorsr |
| 09:52.45 | XenoX101 | actorrs |
| 09:52.47 | XenoX101 | actors |
| 09:52.49 | XenoX101 | what a joke |
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| 11:56.19 | XenoX101 | you know what blizzard needs to fix |
| 11:56.27 | XenoX101 | that damn messages window |
| 11:56.31 | XenoX101 | everything in it is bogus |
| 11:56.53 | XenoX101 | I see a hundred green messages that don't change anything in the way the map plays |
| 11:57.11 | XenoX101 | yet they say 'warning' |
| 11:57.22 | XenoX101 | as if its something important |
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| 16:26.43 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
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| 16:47.40 | JademusSreg | http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/12/mythbusters-cannonball/ |
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| 17:14.59 | pinzu | whats the condition to control if a unit is air or ground? |
| 17:16.33 | Ashamed | dumb ass myth busters |
| 17:16.59 | JademusSreg | Colission flags, plane, and mover. |
| 17:17.07 | JademusSreg | *collision |
| 17:35.29 | Ashamed | http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/08/9290603-report-air-force-dumped-remains-of-274-troops-in-landfill |
| 17:35.38 | Ashamed | jade way more crazy then your myth buster story |
| 17:42.31 | Ashamed | or not |
| 17:44.19 | JademusSreg | Haha, that sucks. |
| 17:44.48 | Ashamed | i just hate this place ha |
| 17:45.25 | Ashamed | I am happy i never let anyone convience me to join the military |
| 17:47.05 | JademusSreg | Funny, you don't seem happy. =D |
| 17:49.03 | Ashamed | i am happy |
| 17:49.20 | Ashamed | when i didnt have a good job my Wife really tried to push it |
| 17:49.24 | Ashamed | and i was like uhhhh fuck that |
| 17:49.34 | JademusSreg | Push what? |
| 17:49.43 | Ashamed | me joining the military |
| 17:51.11 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 17:51.43 | Ashamed | but I do like how our government does this to our troops.. it just means more on ourside if a revolution ever breaks out... |
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| 18:00.25 | JademusSreg | The only side I'm on is my own. Allegiance to organizational abstractions is for other people. |
| 18:03.40 | Ashamed | hell yeah |
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| 18:16.15 | gecko_ | hey, some1 here can help me with a problem i have when i try to import a model i made in 3ds max ? |
| 18:16.35 | JademusSreg | Oh goodness. |
| 18:16.41 | JademusSreg | I'm not a modeler, sorry. |
| 18:18.47 | gecko_ | hehe, but i think the problem is not the model itself i think i make somethink wrong when i try to import the m3 file |
| 18:19.56 | JademusSreg | The editor's import editor is fine, as is; if it doesn't display correctly or some such, it's probably a model issue. |
| 18:21.20 | gecko_ | it displays nothing thats the problem :P, ok i think i need to improve my 3ds skills first. |
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| 18:40.03 | Kueken | I awaken |
| 18:40.17 | Sheogorath | Mapster is down ;'( |
| 18:40.26 | Kueken | yep |
| 18:40.31 | JademusSreg | We have the Daedric Prince of Madness and Kueken here. |
| 18:40.40 | Sheogorath | during prime time too |
| 18:40.55 | Kueken | hopefully this doesn't work like mapster's last downtime |
| 18:41.15 | Sheogorath | can't remember... brief me? |
| 18:41.19 | JademusSreg | Server maintenence. |
| 18:41.30 | Kueken | where they said "half an hour" into "could be 2 hours" followed by "9+" |
| 18:41.40 | Sheogorath | oh yeah |
| 18:41.43 | Kueken | and in the end mapster was down for about 4 days |
| 18:41.44 | Sheogorath | now i do... =) |
| 18:42.07 | Sheogorath | wasnt it the curse server crash incident? |
| 18:42.07 | Torhal|work | Kueken: SC2Mapster? |
| 18:42.18 | Kueken | indeed it was ;) |
| 18:42.20 | Kueken | yes |
| 18:42.31 | Torhal|work | It'll be down for two hours for maintenance per the announcement yesterday. |
| 18:42.36 | nicoli_s | we are doing some maintenance on all the curseforge sites |
| 18:42.40 | Sheogorath | yeah i recall it now |
| 18:42.42 | Kueken | yes, this time |
| 18:43.02 | Sheogorath | during this hour? |
| 18:43.04 | Kueken | went wrong big time the last time we heard something similar :D |
| 18:43.14 | Kueken | good luck! |
| 18:43.32 | Sheogorath | SC2streamster seems to be malfunctioning too... o.O |
| 18:43.39 | Torhal|work | There was a massive redundant hardware failure "last time". There was no maintenance. The stuff just died. |
| 18:44.17 | JademusSreg | I read the front page, saw the notice. |
| 18:44.33 | Sheogorath | why dont curse have a hillarious maintance pic =P |
| 18:45.01 | Sheogorath | Like a drunk dwarf handling a camera or something... <.< |
| 18:46.39 | Sheogorath | speaking of dwarves Mozared will have some competition tonight TB and Yogscast are sreaming Trine 2 at the same time if you havn't heard... =) |
| 18:47.15 | JademusSreg | "Competition" assumes |
| 18:47.24 | JademusSreg | Mozared's cast is in the same league. |
| 18:47.26 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:48.21 | Sheogorath | No worries i'll have 7 muted SC2streamster windows in the background he wont notice the diffrence... |
| 18:48.56 | JademusSreg | With regards to viewership, it's like comparing an apex predator to a bed mite. =D |
| 18:49.29 | Sheogorath | Yeah totally i get the reference... <.< |
| 18:50.00 | Ahli | what's trine 2? |
| 18:50.01 | JademusSreg | Didn't make a reference. |
| 18:50.23 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'm glad the mapster casts exist, despite the wanning audience. |
| 18:50.33 | Sheogorath | Apex and bed mite? |
| 18:50.43 | Sheogorath | and yes me too |
| 18:51.18 | JademusSreg | "Reference" in the sense of a cultural reference, no reference was made; I made an analogy. |
| 18:52.12 | JademusSreg | Trine 2 is the sequel to Trine. |
| 18:52.19 | Sheogorath | Yeah "Apex" just sounded high tech and fictional |
| 18:52.32 | JademusSreg | A semi-puzzle platformer, 3-D side scrolling adventure game. |
| 18:53.36 | JademusSreg | Trine is an artifact in the game that initially fuses together the souls of three individuals: a hefty knight, a nimble thief, and a lazy wizard. |
| 18:53.53 | Sheogorath | I assume regular tele is an option to last till 9 |
| 18:54.28 | JademusSreg | The primary features of the game include physics-based puzzles and the ability to swap out characters. |
| 18:55.46 | Sheogorath | Secondary includes dropping boxes untop of goblins |
| 18:56.04 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:56.18 | JademusSreg | Yes. Physics'based attack methods like dropping shit on other shit. |
| 18:56.23 | JademusSreg | Quite nice. |
| 18:57.18 | JademusSreg | Trine was also remarkably beautiful, and Trine 2 does not disappoint. |
| 18:58.05 | pinzu | why does this not work??? http://pastebin.com/1eRHPNKd :> |
| 18:59.17 | Sheogorath | The definition of "Out of the blue"? =P |
| 18:59.42 | JademusSreg | First describe in what way it is not working. |
| 19:00.20 | pinzu | sorry, the regions return some error |
| 19:00.28 | pinzu | and no units are created |
| 19:00.46 | JademusSreg | What are the errors, verbatim. |
| 19:00.51 | JademusSreg | *? |
| 19:01.30 | pinzu | forgot where to turn on debug window on but |
| 19:01.40 | pinzu | something about cantaddrect[0??] |
| 19:01.40 | JademusSreg | File -> Preferencews |
| 19:01.54 | JademusSreg | That is not verbatim. =D |
| 19:03.40 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'm guessing you're not initializing the region; you need to create the empty region first, otherwise you're just adding a rect to null. |
| 19:04.42 | pinzu | hm |
| 19:07.18 | pinzu | but it works on the map im moving it from, I just changed the structure somewhat |
| 19:08.15 | pinzu | http://pastebin.com/pBGH5XuS here is the other one |
| 19:11.39 | pinzu | Sheogorath from The shivering isles? |
| 19:11.56 | JademusSreg | What is the initial value for the region array? |
| 19:12.02 | Sheogorath | Well yeah |
| 19:17.14 | pinzu | 0 and 1 |
| 19:17.18 | pinzu | 0 or 1* |
| 19:17.24 | pinzu | first ex is 0 |
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| 19:51.05 | Xaragoth | bored |
| 19:51.09 | Xaragoth | so I shopped this: http://i.imgur.com/1ZQDD.jpg |
| 19:52.59 | Kueken | shopping is a bad thing to do, if you are bored |
| 19:53.12 | Kueken | ask women, it always ends up in regrets |
| 19:53.36 | Kueken | or low money |
| 19:54.17 | Xaragoth | heh |
| 19:54.31 | Xaragoth | actually looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/5ycBC.jpg |
| 19:54.45 | Xaragoth | I also have a Tophat version somewhere here |
| 19:54.57 | Xaragoth | with a mannered lego battleship in the background |
| 19:55.04 | Xaragoth | because you would never know it's lego if I didn't tell you |
| 19:55.04 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 19:57.29 | Sheogorath | omg 3 minutes till' TT :O |
| 19:57.52 | Sheogorath | Imma go grab some chocolate milk before that... |
| 20:01.34 | Ashamed | fyum chocolate milk |
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| 20:15.40 | Bounty | Nom Nom |
| 20:15.41 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFH4W6LPJTk& |
| 20:15.41 | Bounty | Enjoy! :) |
| 20:24.27 | Kueken | mapster is back |
| 20:24.34 | Kueken | yay |
| 20:38.24 | Kueken | hm |
| 20:38.36 | Kueken | I keep getting Internal Server Errors |
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| 20:40.23 | prencher | should be clearing now |
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| 20:45.43 | Taintedwisp | Huge noob question |
| 20:46.01 | Taintedwisp | Can someone walk me though the trigger so that if all a players buildings die they loose? |
| 20:51.50 | Taintedwisp | No answers guess everyones aft |
| 20:51.53 | Taintedwisp | afk* |
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| 21:02.56 | Ahli | now that guy quits |
| 21:03.01 | Ahli | I was writing something :o |
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| 21:20.18 | pinzu | how do I seperate a bunch of conditions; if 1,2,3,4 = true or if 7,8,9,10 is true? |
| 21:22.03 | pinzu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.07 | Ahli | if{ OR[ AND(1,2,3,4) ; AND(7,8,9,10) ] }. so first OR, then 2 ANDs inside and 1234 to the one AND and 78910 to the other AND |
| 21:36.06 | Vandal | What if I made a list of requirements and contracted one of you to make an SC2 map for me, that I would own? |
| 21:36.15 | Vandal | If I did that, what kind of fee would you ask? |
| 21:36.52 | Vandal | Would you itemize it by what features I required? |
| 21:38.13 | Vandal | I would probably offer 1/2 up front and 1/2 upon completion of all required features |
| 21:40.02 | pinzu | maybe you should split it up even more, just to be sure! ^^ |
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| 21:42.27 | Flaffen | hiho |
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| 21:56.16 | pinzu | is there a easy way to disable auto attack? |
| 22:00.21 | Flaffen | pinzu, u mean u dont want the unit to auto attack unless its ordered to? |
| 22:00.44 | Ahli | maybe weapon flag can start attacks |
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| 22:13.56 | Flaffen | anyone here experienced with beams? |
| 22:17.24 | JademusSreg | I have noty. |
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| 22:24.43 | ________________ | is there a way to keep track of kills/deaths via trigger without using the event "any unit dies?" |
| 22:25.18 | ________________ | I ask because I'm having massive amounts of units die at once and it causes a bit of laag |
| 22:26.04 | JademusSreg | Increment a counter and print the value. |
| 22:26.17 | ________________ | and the event for the counter would be? |
| 22:26.36 | JademusSreg | Wat? I mean make an integer variable and increment it. |
| 22:26.54 | ________________ | ya but i cant just have a floating variable all on its own |
| 22:27.02 | ________________ | i need a different trigger event |
| 22:27.06 | ________________ | i cant use any unit dies |
| 22:27.08 | ________________ | its laagy |
| 22:27.44 | JademusSreg | Using a different event won't change anything; still would fire just as many times in the event manager. |
| 22:28.07 | ________________ | That's why I was hoping someone had something clever |
| 22:28.09 | ________________ | D: |
| 22:28.21 | ________________ | hrm hrm |
| 22:28.29 | JademusSreg | Nope. If it's causing frame rate issues, use fewer units. |
| 22:28.39 | ________________ | would it be possible to |
| 22:29.01 | ________________ | have the trigger fire once per sec then just count all deaths in that.... nvm |
| 22:29.04 | ________________ | still the same issue |
| 22:29.07 | ________________ | boring.. ok fine |
| 22:29.36 | ________________ | I'll just have to make the AI more aggressive so the players can't get that many units @ a time D: |
| 22:29.42 | JademusSreg | I'm willing to bet rendering so many death models is the cause of the frame rate lag. |
| 22:29.51 | ________________ | o, well ofc |
| 22:29.57 | ________________ | wait no |
| 22:29.58 | ________________ | i meant |
| 22:30.00 | ________________ | its not |
| 22:30.02 | ________________ | i tested it |
| 22:30.24 | ________________ | its definitely the trigger firing @ every death |
| 22:30.33 | JademusSreg | How many units are we talking here? |
| 22:30.54 | ________________ | well this was a test but i did 200 banelings vs. 200 banelings |
| 22:31.01 | ________________ | then i did other massive amounts of random units |
| 22:31.11 | ________________ | but this is a huge arena of units |
| 22:31.20 | ________________ | i just wanted to see worst case scenarios |
| 22:31.59 | JademusSreg | Quality over quantity, I say. =D |
| 22:32.17 | ________________ | o ya ofc, players that know how to micro will win easier |
| 22:32.22 | ________________ | but nubs will always try to just mass |
| 22:32.32 | ________________ | and thats why the stress test is necessary :) |
| 22:32.54 | JademusSreg | If it were feasible, I'd retool the units to reduce the total unit numbers. But if you're using standard melee units, instead I'd restrict the amount of resources the players get. |
| 22:33.08 | JademusSreg | Is this akin to XGS Nagrand? |
| 22:33.27 | ________________ | XGS Nagrand? *looks around google* |
| 22:33.49 | JademusSreg | It was a popular micro map during beta. |
| 22:34.12 | JademusSreg | Competitive, PvP, ranked micro matches. |
| 22:34.18 | ________________ | deng, couldnt find it google, sc2mapster, or utube |
| 22:34.37 | ________________ | oic, nah mine is a team game |
| 22:34.39 | JademusSreg | It had a glaring flaw though, with metagame bullshit; you had to -earn- tech. |
| 22:34.49 | ________________ | thats weird |
| 22:34.56 | ________________ | im trying to keep mine closer to melee |
| 22:34.57 | JademusSreg | So a player with siege tank would stomp your ass. =\ |
| 22:35.04 | ________________ | D: |
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| 22:37.28 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 22:37.38 | JademusSreg | Hi Bounty. =D |
| 22:37.55 | Bounty | Ello Jademus |
| 22:38.03 | Bounty | I finally made a video lol |
| 22:38.07 | Bounty | with no other players >< |
| 22:38.33 | JademusSreg | Bounty and I, we give each other a hard time, but we're like two peas in a pea salad. By which I mean surrounded by vegetables and covered in mayonnaise. |
| 22:38.37 | Vandal | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/map-development/29176-i-will-contract-you-to-build-my-map-s/ |
| 22:38.43 | Vandal | respond to the thread if you are interested |
| 22:38.55 | ________________ | pay me |
| 22:39.03 | ________________ | i didnt actually read it lol |
| 22:39.07 | ________________ | i just saw pay |
| 22:40.09 | ________________ | vandal, what kind of features are you looking for |
| 22:40.27 | Vandal | I'm going to dinner with my wife right now, I want to make a dotalike game |
| 22:40.37 | ________________ | ah ic |
| 22:40.46 | Bounty | lolwut jademussreg |
| 22:40.50 | Bounty | where did that come from |
| 22:40.59 | ________________ | when u come back gimme an example of 1 said feature, I might be interested |
| 22:41.02 | JademusSreg | From the bowels of my heart. |
| 22:41.07 | ________________ | bowels |
| 22:41.09 | ________________ | ... |
| 22:41.16 | Vandal | ok ___________ |
| 22:41.26 | Vandal | you seem pretty knowledgable from the time I talked to you |
| 22:41.28 | Bounty | yeah but i mean like |
| 22:41.29 | Vandal | but I'm out for now |
| 22:41.35 | Bounty | all i said was i finally made a video for TriFaction |
| 22:41.39 | ________________ | Bb |
| 22:41.40 | Bounty | what brought that out of u |
| 22:41.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:42.16 | JademusSreg | Yes. I was expressing my fondness for you, which I assume is mutual, in regards to our apparant near-constant antagonism toward one another. |
| 22:42.30 | JademusSreg | Anyway, got a link to the video? |
| 22:42.40 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFH4W6LPJTk |
| 22:42.42 | Bounty | oh |
| 22:42.54 | Bounty | well i thought that was already mutually understould |
| 22:42.56 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:43.20 | JademusSreg | I like commiting such sentiments to words; it's funnier that way. |
| 22:43.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:43.54 | Bounty | its a long video and i still couldnt get ALL of the content showed in it |
| 22:43.56 | ________________ | its like Cabal, but SC II |
| 22:44.08 | ________________ | very pretty |
| 22:44.42 | Bounty | If the map ever picks up enough Steam it will hit 1st page easily |
| 22:45.00 | Bounty | its gaining that initial momentum thats the problem atm lol |
| 22:45.04 | ________________ | so is there keystroke laag? |
| 22:45.13 | JademusSreg | The Imp, I imagine it says "tralalalalala" |
| 22:45.15 | Ahli | there is always user input lag |
| 22:45.22 | ________________ | well u dont know |
| 22:45.26 | ________________ | maybe he did something clever |
| 22:45.28 | Bounty | it has the least amount of input lag u can get imo |
| 22:45.33 | ________________ | i see clever solutions all the time |
| 22:45.33 | Bounty | put it like this |
| 22:45.38 | Bounty | RyanWin said its the same as SCU |
| 22:45.41 | Bounty | delay wise |
| 22:45.44 | Bounty | which is true |
| 22:45.45 | ________________ | SCU? |
| 22:45.50 | ________________ | oh universe |
| 22:45.51 | Bounty | Starcraft Universe |
| 22:45.53 | Ahli | press button -> do something... you cant be better |
| 22:45.57 | ________________ | that got released? |
| 22:46.06 | Bounty | there was a pvp test map out for abit |
| 22:46.07 | ________________ | i never saw it on the first few pages |
| 22:46.10 | ________________ | oic |
| 22:46.45 | Bounty | The thing that makes this map better is the framerate |
| 22:46.50 | ________________ | ic |
| 22:46.51 | Bounty | Optional farclip |
| 22:46.54 | JademusSreg | Input lag is consequence of the minimum 250 latency imposed by servers and the delay resulting from the need to synchronize input states across all players each 1/16 game second increment. |
| 22:47.02 | Bounty | better framerate = better input response |
| 22:47.03 | JademusSreg | *250ms |
| 22:47.11 | Bounty | not perfect but it makes a differance |
| 22:47.21 | ________________ | nah but ive seen people play with ability hotkeys to make no delay |
| 22:47.22 | Bounty | and that video was shot on bnet |
| 22:47.25 | ________________ | methods like that obv arent perfect |
| 22:47.28 | ________________ | but its an example |
| 22:47.42 | Bounty | The think is though |
| 22:47.53 | Bounty | You could make a video of a map that actually has no delay |
| 22:47.58 | JademusSreg | "PLaying with hotkeys" reduces the overhead on the synchronization of input states, but still must contend with 250ms imposed latency. |
| 22:47.59 | Bounty | and people would still somehow be able to spot delay in teh video |
| 22:48.10 | ________________ | nop |
| 22:48.13 | ________________ | no laag |
| 22:48.20 | ________________ | its like using a normal pure data ability |
| 22:48.34 | Bounty | Its not 100% responsive though |
| 22:48.37 | Bounty | like INSTANT |
| 22:48.40 | Bounty | its a very small delay |
| 22:48.46 | Bounty | which imo is perfectly fine |
| 22:48.51 | Bounty | but ppl like to bitch about it _____ |
| 22:48.57 | ________________ | ic |
| 22:49.02 | Bounty | ive used hotkeys before |
| 22:49.05 | Bounty | it does make a differance |
| 22:49.07 | ________________ | so are there diff um |
| 22:49.12 | ________________ | difficulties for ur game? |
| 22:49.15 | Bounty | but its not instant |
| 22:49.18 | Bounty | difficulties? |
| 22:49.21 | ________________ | like |
| 22:49.22 | JademusSreg | Blizzard servers have, even in SC1 and WC3, imposed 250ms latency, ostensibly to level the playing field so that players with poorer connections would not be at a definitive disadvantage. |
| 22:49.23 | Bounty | its a pvp game >< |
| 22:49.23 | ________________ | easy norm |
| 22:49.23 | ________________ | etc |
| 22:49.33 | Bounty | its only as hard as the other players are |
| 22:49.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:49.39 | ________________ | oh |
| 22:49.42 | ________________ | but |
| 22:49.44 | Bounty | which can be very hard >< |
| 22:49.54 | ________________ | the player is going thru quests n stuff |
| 22:49.57 | ________________ | arent they? |
| 22:50.15 | JademusSreg | This is why virtual lan services were created to support the competitive SC1, WC3, and WC3 DotA highly competitive communities. |
| 22:50.29 | JademusSreg | Alternatives to battlenet that did not impose latency. |
| 22:53.13 | Bounty | u like the imp class Jademus? |
| 22:53.17 | Bounty | idk if u saw that part of the video lol |
| 22:53.36 | JademusSreg | Yeah, he's like a harvester. |
| 22:53.41 | Bounty | and a builder |
| 22:53.44 | JademusSreg | Aka merchant in the battleship games. |
| 22:54.08 | Bounty | i didnt mention it in the video but his harvesting splits with all allies |
| 22:54.11 | JademusSreg | Also neat. I'm skeptical about the vlaue of those barriers; how much do they cost? |
| 22:54.18 | Bounty | 100 |
| 22:54.29 | Bounty | u get passive income in the game now |
| 22:54.36 | Bounty | +5 mana per 2 seconds of imp mining |
| 22:54.42 | Bounty | plus ur tower kills give u revenue |
| 22:54.45 | Bounty | 100 is nothing |
| 22:54.52 | Bounty | imp is the kingpin of currency lol |
| 22:55.04 | JademusSreg | Ah. Well, I'll try it out next time I'm on. |
| 22:55.17 | Bounty | channel trifaction |
| 22:55.20 | Bounty | is ur only hope |
| 22:55.24 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:55.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:55.36 | Bounty | its true >< |
| 22:55.41 | Bounty | its that or u play alone |
| 22:55.47 | JademusSreg | Maybe I should promote it on my load screen. |
| 22:56.10 | JademusSreg | Whenever I get around to making another update, that is. |
| 22:56.15 | Bounty | haha |
| 22:56.33 | Bounty | what more could you add to photon cycleS? |
| 22:56.33 | Bounty | i mean really |
| 22:56.33 | Bounty | besides hats or more cycles |
| 22:56.33 | Bounty | what could you really do |
| 22:56.49 | ________________ | lolhats |
| 22:57.09 | JademusSreg | If anything, I'd want to clean up the option selection process, hide the nonstandard shit such that it requires a button to make visible. |
| 22:57.39 | Bounty | random question Jademus |
| 22:57.49 | Bounty | is there a way for a trigger to detect drag scrolling with the middle mouse button |
| 22:58.36 | JademusSreg | Well, one can detect the button being activated, and one can track the mouse position, and with that information, you can make certain assumptions about what it's doing. |
| 22:58.53 | Bounty | meh nvm |
| 22:58.54 | JademusSreg | So I'd say yes, indirectly. |
| 22:58.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:59.02 | Bounty | needs to be a trigger event |
| 22:59.06 | Bounty | drag scroll |
| 22:59.10 | Bounty | could be lagless |
| 22:59.11 | JademusSreg | Ah, nothing so direct as that. |
| 22:59.16 | Bounty | if u catch my drift |
| 22:59.35 | Bounty | like u cant drag scroll in third person but u can still activate it |
| 22:59.39 | Bounty | so u could have a lagless button |
| 23:00.08 | JademusSreg | Well, do you use mouse relative camera? |
| 23:00.22 | Bounty | believe so |
| 23:00.39 | JademusSreg | If so, then you detect the button being used and then get the camera yaw instead. |
| 23:01.00 | JademusSreg | Since with mouse relative, there can be problems getting mouse position. |
| 23:01.40 | JademusSreg | Still wouldn't be lagless. |
| 23:01.44 | Bounty | not true actually |
| 23:01.48 | JademusSreg | But it would be less laggy than the first solution. |
| 23:01.49 | Bounty | with the thing u said about problems |
| 23:01.55 | Bounty | with CLIFFS there can be issues |
| 23:02.00 | Bounty | but with pure 2d is works very nice |
| 23:02.09 | Bounty | well i only ask bc i did want to add a block mechanic |
| 23:02.15 | JademusSreg | I had problems in my tests, but that was many many months ago. |
| 23:02.25 | JademusSreg | So if they fixed it, I wouldn't know. |
| 23:02.31 | Bounty | it still fucks up on cliffs |
| 23:02.39 | JademusSreg | But back then, I couldn't detect mouse movement for shit. |
| 23:02.40 | Bounty | but on pure 2d plane |
| 23:03.03 | Bounty | btw fun fact |
| 23:03.07 | Bounty | 20 mb of models and textures |
| 23:03.14 | JademusSreg | With mouse relative camera and and a trigger event to detect mouse movement, mouse movement wouldn't fire. |
| 23:03.14 | Bounty | gets compressed to like 2mb |
| 23:03.17 | Bounty | in the editor lol |
| 23:03.34 | Bounty | oooh |
| 23:03.35 | Bounty | i remember that |
| 23:03.45 | Bounty | yeah im pretty sure it doesnt do that nemore |
| 23:03.51 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 23:03.56 | Bounty | unless |
| 23:04.02 | Bounty | i was using mouse point clicked |
| 23:04.04 | Bounty | as my action |
| 23:04.12 | Bounty | i think thats what i was using |
| 23:04.14 | Bounty | not mouse position |
| 23:04.17 | Bounty | but the point clicked |
| 23:04.18 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 23:04.23 | JademusSreg | So still might be an issue then. |
| 23:04.36 | Bounty | well u really dont need to know the mouses position |
| 23:04.40 | Bounty | its the same thing |
| 23:04.55 | Bounty | unless ur not using the mouse to fire whatever ur doing |
| 23:06.37 | JademusSreg | Someone should make an RTS where you play as FEMA and have to solve emergencies and shit. |
| 23:06.52 | JademusSreg | Spoiler alert: everyone would lose every mission. |
| 23:06.58 | Sevenix | you mean, dont solve them |
| 23:07.30 | Bounty | Ron Paul 2012! |
| 23:08.50 | Bounty | no? lol |
| 23:10.07 | JademusSreg | Bounty, do you mean this guy: http://adamstewartdesigns.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/rupaul_rpdr_cologo3.jpg |
| 23:10.40 | Bounty | no |
| 23:10.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:11.12 | Bounty | seriously though, i think he might win this time |
| 23:13.13 | JademusSreg | I don't know his positions or his background, so can't say I have an opinion,. |
| 23:14.31 | Bounty | youtube him |
| 23:14.35 | Bounty | trust me lol |
| 23:15.26 | JademusSreg | I don't look at youtube and think "Now there's a bastion of concise and informed political thought." |
| 23:15.58 | Bounty | and you get that from TV? |
| 23:16.01 | Bounty | =P |
| 23:16.06 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 23:16.46 | Bounty | exactly, so why not |
| 23:17.01 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBf4nrxsmnA&feature=channel_video_title |
| 23:17.06 | JademusSreg | I don't look at television and think "Now there's a bastion of concise and informed political thought." |
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| 23:31.21 | Flaffen | anyone that can help with beams? i have this chain thing that keeps fucking up |
| 23:33.00 | Flaffen | it somtimes bounces back to the shooter |
| 23:48.18 | Flaffen | anyone that can halp? |
| 23:48.35 | JademusSreg | Not my field of expertise. |
| 23:53.15 | Ahli | exclude source in the search effect? just a random thought... |
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