| 00:01.42 | tordy | laaaaaaaaame |
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| 00:39.55 | CryptRat | Is there some trick to getting Interact to work properly with Research abilities? |
| 00:40.04 | CryptRat | *work as intended |
| 00:43.33 | Motive | Names for private WoW servers, 1, 2, 3, go! |
| 00:44.20 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:44.36 | JademusSreg | Cocksnorklarian |
| 00:44.46 | Motive | Perfect, thanks! |
| 00:44.47 | Motive | Not really. |
| 00:44.48 | Motive | lol |
| 00:45.22 | JademusSreg | He was a marquis of Whateversfall, iirc. |
| 00:46.45 | Motive | I'd like to come up with something fairly simple yet marketable |
| 00:48.44 | CryptRat | Wow, a server. :/ |
| 01:09.04 | JademusSreg | I'd like to state for the record I think it is a bad idea to discuss such things publically, as all of the chat logs will be public via our good bot, purl. |
| 01:09.48 | JademusSreg | But as far as naming shit goes, draw from the lore like all the other standard WoW servers. |
| 01:11.19 | JademusSreg | Personally, were I the sort to venture into such risk-laden enterprise, I'd name the server Nathrezim. |
| 01:11.43 | Motive | I'm not too worried about purl. |
| 01:11.47 | Motive | Purl can keep a secret |
| 01:11.50 | Motive | ISNT THAT RIGHT, PURL |
| 01:11.53 | Motive | << |
| 01:12.27 | JademusSreg | Dread Lords are subtle, methodical, and most importantly, have the sheer resiliency of immortality. |
| 01:14.33 | CryptRat | So no thoughts on Interact? |
| 01:15.42 | JademusSreg | Pardon, Crypt? |
| 01:16.09 | CryptRat | The Interact ability. |
| 01:16.20 | JademusSreg | What about it? |
| 01:16.32 | CryptRat | I'm not sure that it's working as intended with a Research ability: |
| 01:16.51 | CryptRat | The research is finished and an anouncement is made, but nothing seemingly happened. |
| 01:17.20 | JademusSreg | No surprise there. Why not spawn an intermediary unit to conduct the actual research? |
| 01:17.39 | JademusSreg | Or script the change in ownership of the unit. |
| 01:18.01 | CryptRat | So something fiddly is required in this situation? |
| 01:18.24 | JademusSreg | Interact is known for not being modder friendly. |
| 01:18.43 | JademusSreg | The simpler solution is to just script the ownership change. |
| 01:18.49 | CryptRat | I think I'd probably want to resort to Issuing and order to the unit interacting with the structure and have the unit do the research. |
| 01:18.57 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:19.06 | JademusSreg | Sounds convoluted. |
| 01:19.23 | CryptRat | Well multiple units might be interacting with said structure at the same time. :/ |
| 01:19.35 | JademusSreg | That is, excessively complicated workaround just to maintain "purity of form". |
| 01:20.15 | CryptRat | If it looks nice from the user perspective, I think that's good. >o> |
| 01:20.45 | CryptRat | That and I don't know squat about scripting in galaxy. |
| 01:20.47 | JademusSreg | If it's your intention to allow multple researches simultaneously, then your idea sounds pretty neat. |
| 01:21.31 | CryptRat | The research time is 0 seconds, so meh? |
| 01:21.35 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:21.57 | JademusSreg | Yep. Sounds convoluted. |
| 01:22.15 | JademusSreg | And worse, inelegant. You'd need to add it on every unit that can interact with the structure. |
| 01:22.17 | CryptRat | I guess that being the case, were I to know how to script, changing ownership for the brief duration would be better. |
| 01:22.20 | JademusSreg | Erm, interact unit. |
| 01:22.26 | JademusSreg | I just assumed it was a structure. |
| 01:23.07 | JademusSreg | Script isn't strictly necessary; you can use GUI. |
| 01:23.14 | CryptRat | Triggers? |
| 01:23.18 | JademusSreg | I just default to saying "script" since I script. |
| 01:23.31 | JademusSreg | Yes, "triggers". =D |
| 01:23.53 | JademusSreg | It was called GUI in the wc3 modding scene. |
| 01:24.01 | CryptRat | Specifically, are you implying a Dialog? |
| 01:24.07 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 01:24.18 | JademusSreg | What has dialogs to do with it? |
| 01:24.29 | CryptRat | Dialogs are GUI. x_x |
| 01:24.32 | CryptRat | Triggers are not. |
| 01:24.42 | JademusSreg | Nyet. |
| 01:25.20 | JademusSreg | Using the trigger editor's GUI to add objects utilized by the editor to generate the mapscript is what is meant by GUI. |
| 01:25.26 | CryptRat | Regardless, couldn't ownership changes be handled entirely through data? |
| 01:25.45 | JademusSreg | You're welcome to try. =D |
| 01:25.52 | CryptRat | You don't think so. :D |
| 01:26.15 | JademusSreg | I do not. Haha |
| 01:26.50 | JademusSreg | Mostly because Interact is a bitch to work with. It doesn't even have the decency to fire the ability / order events, iirc. |
| 01:27.07 | CryptRat | Add a behavior that lasts 1 second that changes ownership until it expires and issues an order on itself to do research? :p |
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| 01:27.21 | ________________ | is the marketplace already released? o.o |
| 01:27.47 | Ahli | nope |
| 01:27.51 | ________________ | phew |
| 01:27.53 | Ahli | cu after hots release |
| 01:27.59 | JademusSreg | Sounds excessively complicated, Crypt. I'm not saying a data solution isn't possible, but rather where it is less practical than alternatives, it ought to be abandoned. |
| 01:28.32 | JademusSreg | Data purists are sillier than the scripting purists. Haha |
| 01:28.50 | ________________ | but data is so nice ): |
| 01:28.53 | JademusSreg | It is. |
| 01:28.56 | Motive | Data purists - let someone else implement the mechanics. |
| 01:29.00 | JademusSreg | I use it as much as is practical. |
| 01:29.01 | CryptRat | Well I'd be doing everything in the trigger editor were it not for people telling me to do otherwise. :x |
| 01:29.07 | Motive | Scripting purists - I tell it how to do everything from start to finish. |
| 01:29.07 | Motive | :p |
| 01:29.16 | Motive | In reality, Galaxy coders are actually Nazi control freaks. |
| 01:29.17 | Motive | True story. |
| 01:29.22 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 01:29.24 | JademusSreg | True.dat |
| 01:29.26 | ________________ | CSB. |
| 01:29.30 | ________________ | Tell it again for me. |
| 01:29.54 | JademusSreg | I'm not familiar with that expression. |
| 01:29.57 | JademusSreg | CSB? |
| 01:30.02 | ________________ | cool story bro |
| 01:30.10 | CryptRat | ha |
| 01:30.21 | ________________ | hrm.. now to script a new marine splitting engine |
| 01:31.03 | JademusSreg | Ah. Since it uses 2 fewer characters, it's an expression lazier even than the ubiquitous tl;dr. |
| 01:31.27 | ________________ | tall late; dead rat? |
| 01:31.39 | CryptRat | D: |
| 01:31.40 | CryptRat | Do not want. |
| 01:31.48 | ________________ | lol |
| 01:31.51 | JademusSreg | Though you did cap it, so it's about on par with the effort of tl;dr. |
| 01:32.18 | ________________ | tl;dr is awkward to type |
| 01:32.23 | ________________ | csb is ez... just 1 hand |
| 01:32.28 | CryptRat | ! |
| 01:32.33 | CryptRat | was just about to point htat out |
| 01:32.37 | ________________ | :) |
| 01:33.03 | JademusSreg | In order of laziest to least lazy, we have csb > tldr > CSB > tl;dr |
| 01:33.03 | CryptRat | I wonder how many htats there are in the world. |
| 01:33.15 | ________________ | LoL, caps lock |
| 01:33.23 | ________________ | i hit it as habit now, so CSB is nothing 4r me |
| 01:33.42 | JademusSreg | Caps lock still involves a total of 5 key presses, like tl;dr. |
| 01:33.46 | ________________ | When Im typing i probly hit caps lock like 5 times a minute |
| 01:33.49 | JademusSreg | So Caps CSB == tl;dr |
| 01:34.05 | ________________ | nah but tl;dr uses an uncommon key ; and requires 2 hands of work |
| 01:34.11 | ________________ | CSB can be done all with the left |
| 01:34.28 | CryptRat | So then the general solution is to have the interacting structure just do some flag-raising event from which a trigger or sillyscript can react to? |
| 01:34.39 | ________________ | lol |
| 01:34.58 | JademusSreg | I can type it all one handed, theoretically. But then, I could type Rememberence of Things PAst with one hand too, not that one should. Then umber of hands is irrelevant. |
| 01:35.02 | JademusSreg | *Past |
| 01:35.18 | JademusSreg | *The number |
| 01:35.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:35.20 | CryptRat | Do you have any dvorak experience? |
| 01:35.24 | ________________ | like u said with data, its all whats practical |
| 01:35.45 | ________________ | or more to the point, more efficient |
| 01:35.52 | JademusSreg | csb > tldr > [shift] CSB > [caps] CSB == tl;dr |
| 01:36.11 | ________________ | lol aaaannnyyyywwaaaayysss. I don't even know how we got this far |
| 01:36.18 | ________________ | I was going to ask something but forgot |
| 01:36.36 | ________________ | Had to do with reworking range splitting AI |
| 01:36.41 | JademusSreg | Billions of years of evolution and you forget your question. Way to drop the fucking ball on that one. |
| 01:36.43 | ________________ | but I guess I'll run into it again. |
| 01:36.50 | ________________ | *tears* |
| 01:37.57 | CryptRat | Is the Ball required for continued existence? |
| 01:38.07 | CryptRat | In realms other than Katamari? |
| 01:38.23 | JademusSreg | Naw, nothing so cosmic. |
| 01:38.26 | CryptRat | Or pinball? |
| 01:38.56 | JademusSreg | Scrot-ball, as she is played |
| 01:39.08 | CryptRat | Sounds dirty. |
| 01:40.07 | CryptRat | Is there any way to get an ability to have several commands, similar to how Research works? :p |
| 01:40.13 | ________________ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/tutorials/ |
| 01:40.17 | ________________ | tat page isnt updated enough |
| 01:40.19 | ________________ | that* |
| 01:40.22 | ________________ | ): |
| 01:40.37 | JademusSreg | One carriers the ball in a bundle of leather hide, known as a scrot, and scores a point if one passes the scrot-ball to a player on the same team. The difficulty lies in not dropping the fucking ball, and not allowing your ball to be taken by scrot players of the other team. |
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| 01:41.39 | CryptRat | What strange football mutant child is that? D: |
| 01:42.11 | CryptRat | Football mutant parent? |
| 01:42.38 | CryptRat | Need I specify "american football"? |
| 01:42.49 | JademusSreg | A scrot player's ball may be kicked out of an opposing player's scrot, or retrieved by hand. |
| 01:42.50 | Daara | Anyone know if it's possible to get this glossy effect on buttons from dialogs? |
| 01:42.52 | Daara | http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9357/heroclasses.jpg |
| 01:43.01 | Daara | or do you think its done in photoshop? |
| 01:43.17 | JademusSreg | Photoshop. Of course. |
| 01:43.21 | CryptRat | Is that from some moba/dota? |
| 01:43.23 | Daara | damn |
| 01:43.25 | JademusSreg | All of it was done in photoshop[. |
| 01:43.28 | Daara | i need to figure out how to do that |
| 01:43.49 | CryptRat | What effect are you referring to? |
| 01:43.53 | CryptRat | I see buttons. |
| 01:44.04 | Daara | they have like a blue border |
| 01:44.09 | Daara | and the buttons look glossy |
| 01:44.30 | CryptRat | Can't you just make image files and import tham? |
| 01:45.08 | Daara | yea |
| 01:45.13 | CryptRat | Oh |
| 01:45.31 | CryptRat | You could just make one with a transparent center and save almost all of the work! |
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| 01:45.32 | CryptRat | :D |
| 01:46.19 | CryptRat | Are you the Trigger-loving counterpart from another universe? |
| 01:46.38 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:46.53 | CryptRat | No goatee, but still evil, I see. :x |
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| 01:51.17 | CryptRat | What was the name of that volcano-head guy from Star Trek? |
| 01:51.30 | ________________ | Jademus |
| 01:51.41 | CryptRat | No, I don't think that's it. |
| 01:51.46 | ________________ | :p |
| 01:52.06 | JademusSreg | Klingon, of which you may be thinking Warf. |
| 01:52.10 | JademusSreg | Or Worf. |
| 01:52.14 | JademusSreg | Whichever. |
| 01:52.23 | CryptRat | :D |
| 01:52.42 | CryptRat | Yeah, I don't get why my dad likes that show. |
| 01:52.52 | CryptRat | But the volcano-head guy makes me smile. |
| 01:56.18 | CryptRat | I'm also required to now think about Rowlf. |
| 02:05.49 | CryptRat | I wonder if it's possible to simulate conduction with a recursive search effect. |
| 02:06.08 | CryptRat | That would be neat for circuit testing. |
| 02:09.43 | CryptRat | It would also be pretty neat just to see a glaive wurm fly along the path. ^_^ |
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| 02:50.09 | CryptRat | Wow. Low occupancy count. |
| 02:51.26 | JademusSreg | No surprise. |
| 02:51.36 | JademusSreg | If you're not growing, you're dying. |
| 02:52.33 | JademusSreg | Same way the Red Queen points out how much running it takes to stay in place, metastatic systems use a lot of energy just to stay relatively the same. =D |
| 02:55.08 | CryptRat | I'm not sure what you were saying about Interact not firing events. |
| 02:55.15 | Motive | TL;DR: Jademus just killed IRC with intelligence. |
| 02:55.25 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:55.30 | CryptRat | The ability with no effect fires an event for the intended player. |
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| 03:01.06 | ________________ | anyone know a good thread where I can learn about unit pathing through triggers? Like, how to detect when a unit is near terrain it cannot walk over. |
| 03:01.48 | JademusSreg | How close is your sample range? |
| 03:01.58 | CryptRat | If you find the answer, I would like to know too. |
| 03:02.02 | ________________ | 4 units |
| 03:02.57 | JademusSreg | 4/4096 ? |
| 03:03.50 | ________________ | ???? |
| 03:03.53 | ________________ | 4096? |
| 03:04.29 | JademusSreg | 1/4096 is the smallest fixed type value, and since terrain coords are fixed type (I assume), 4 units would be 4/4096. |
| 03:05.10 | ________________ | mmk sure |
| 03:05.21 | JademusSreg | Or did you mean something else by units? |
| 03:05.46 | ________________ | i just meant the normal 1x1 units on the terrain of a map |
| 03:05.53 | JademusSreg | Ah. Cells. |
| 03:05.54 | ________________ | 4 distance away |
| 03:05.59 | ________________ | ya cells |
| 03:06.47 | JademusSreg | Well, do you need the pathability of only that point offset by a range of 4 cells, or the entire range of 4 cells needs a periodic sampling? |
| 03:07.13 | ________________ | the entire range covered in those 4 cells needs to be tested for pathability. |
| 03:07.29 | ________________ | I'm having marines flee from units, but I don't want them running into rocks |
| 03:07.31 | ________________ | basically |
| 03:08.19 | JademusSreg | So you need to determine your precision. What's the smallest unit radius? Or smallest footprint width? |
| 03:08.34 | ________________ | uuuhhh |
| 03:08.37 | ________________ | sec |
| 03:09.07 | ________________ | .4 |
| 03:09.15 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 03:09.25 | ________________ | ? o.o |
| 03:10.14 | JademusSreg | I meant the smallest possible value permited. Like when you increment radius from 0, to what value does it snap? Or do you mean that is the smallest radius of a unit in your map? |
| 03:11.40 | ________________ | I meant that it was the smallest radius |
| 03:11.51 | ________________ | for this section of the map anyway |
| 03:13.34 | JademusSreg | Ah, a good convergence. Smallest radius and smallest footprint are both 1/16. |
| 03:14.33 | JademusSreg | Anyway, better to write code as generically as one can. Point is, you sample periodically over the range of the space corresponding to the smallest obstruction. |
| 03:15.07 | ________________ | &How would I go about doing that? |
| 03:15.23 | ________________ | I havn't looked into the topic at all which is why I was hoping for a thread or something. |
| 03:15.33 | ________________ | Otherwise I was just gonna poke around |
| 03:15.45 | JademusSreg | You detect pathing cost at a polar offset, at a distance incremented until you get to the rangel imit. |
| 03:16.59 | JademusSreg | If it returns either a pathing cost that is unlimited, or you detect a unit in a minute radius around the sample point, you know there is an obstruction there. |
| 03:18.45 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest the of the unit search radius be either equal to the periodic offset value. |
| 03:19.02 | JademusSreg | *suggest the radius of |
| 03:19.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:19.21 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'd like to play some Skyrim. Anything else? |
| 03:19.50 | ________________ | Oic |
| 03:20.00 | ________________ | That's a coo jumping point, u can go play |
| 03:20.06 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 03:34.31 | JademusSreg | http://kotaku.com/5862056/it-would-be-the-blackest-friday-starcraft-ii-ever-saw |
| 03:34.45 | JademusSreg | This amused me. |
| 03:34.50 | JademusSreg | Back to Skyrim! |
| 03:36.13 | ________________ | some guy was ranting about that earlier |
| 03:41.03 | CryptRat | I should take it that trying to get requirements to work with an Interacting unit is not advised? |
| 03:41.21 | CryptRat | I'm considering having an empty set instead with a validator. |
| 03:42.39 | ________________ | What's wrong with requirements + a unit with interact |
| 03:42.40 | ________________ | o.o |
| 03:49.33 | ________________ | How would I crush these events all into 1? |
| 03:49.34 | ________________ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.40 | ________________ | hrm, gross |
| 03:49.54 | ________________ | Zergling enters distance of 4 from marine |
| 03:49.57 | ________________ | Zergling enters distance of 3 from marine |
| 03:50.00 | ________________ | Zergling enters distance of 2 from marine |
| 03:50.04 | ________________ | Zergling enters distance of 1 from marine |
| 03:51.09 | Daara | can you do a switch with events? |
| 03:51.31 | ________________ | I didnt actually need those numbers specifically |
| 03:51.40 | ________________ | i just want to include all distances < 4 |
| 03:51.56 | ________________ | so the trigger keeps happening as long as the zergling is within 4 units of the marine |
| 04:19.36 | Daara | hey jademussreg: for http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9357/heroclasses.jpg , what would you say the image size and button sizes are? |
| 04:21.23 | ________________ | measured using an onscreen ruler, they are 40x120 pixels |
| 04:22.07 | Daara | that's taking scaling into account? |
| 04:22.12 | ________________ | nop |
| 04:25.21 | Motive | http://wowforge.ws/ |
| 04:25.30 | Motive | PHP coding is coming along quite nicely :> |
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| 05:08.17 | Daara | sweet |
| 05:08.23 | Daara | this looks pretty good |
| 05:08.38 | Daara | i'll post a screen when i finish other 3 dialogs ^^ |
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| 05:58.25 | SPQR | anyone know if "reveal region for player" will also reveal it for people who share vision with that player? |
| 06:07.39 | Daara | http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313280_2651566889622_1269241507_33124941_1890575228_n.jpg |
| 06:08.39 | Daara | That'll do for now ^^ |
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| 06:40.41 | tordy | come back!! :( |
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| 07:34.06 | soulcarver | well I got ai's added to my map now |
| 07:34.11 | soulcarver | exciting stuff |
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| 09:07.51 | Liamgamer55 | so what do you guys think of civilisation saphire? |
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| 13:55.17 | soulcarver | hola |
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| 14:52.46 | Ashamed | good morning |
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| 14:59.32 | Ashamed | happy thx giving eve american peeps |
| 15:04.34 | soulcarver | mmm turkey |
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| 15:07.22 | Ashamed | Turkey! |
| 15:07.30 | Ashamed | work be slow |
| 15:16.44 | Mexa_ | thxgiving? |
| 15:16.50 | soulcarver | i cant get a timer window to show for the life of me |
| 15:17.33 | Mexa_ | oh, thanksgiving |
| 15:18.15 | Ashamed | yeah mexa |
| 15:18.21 | Ashamed | we talk all Gheto here |
| 15:18.28 | Ashamed | you got a prob wit dat? |
| 15:23.19 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 15:24.27 | Mexa_ | I also thought it was still morning for you guys.. |
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| 15:26.17 | Mexa_ | http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3 |
| 15:27.46 | soulcarver | ok |
| 15:27.58 | soulcarver | anybody hero really good with timer windows? |
| 15:28.45 | A1win | I'm so good that I use dialogs instead |
| 15:29.25 | A1win | the default timer windows can't be customized too well |
| 15:29.29 | Ashamed | tis is morning :) |
| 15:30.04 | Ashamed | boom what a1win said |
| 15:30.45 | A1win | it's easy enough to make a dialog and then create a function that loops: set text to remaining time, wait 1 sec |
| 15:31.00 | Ashamed | B00M |
| 15:31.06 | Ashamed | You dont need blizzard to design it |
| 15:31.07 | Ashamed | You can |
| 15:31.16 | Ashamed | Fuk Blizzards systems |
| 15:31.37 | A1win | there's a function that automatically displays integer in time format such as mm:ss, m:ss, hh:mm:ss, etc. |
| 15:32.11 | A1win | "Convert Time To Text" in the GUI or something... search with "time" |
| 15:32.48 | soulcarver | umm |
| 15:33.04 | soulcarver | i want to use a simple timer window |
| 15:33.11 | soulcarver | timer works just the window wont show |
| 15:33.26 | soulcarver | ive dont this before but this one really wont show and i have no idea why |
| 15:33.38 | A1win | how do you create it? |
| 15:33.55 | A1win | oh wait, do you have fullscreen mode on? |
| 15:34.43 | A1win | timer windows don't show in fullscreen mode, that's what originally made me ditch them |
| 15:36.49 | soulcarver | no |
| 15:36.55 | soulcarver | i dont have full screen on |
| 15:37.02 | soulcarver | i am using a custom lay out though |
| 15:37.12 | soulcarver | and wonder what frame the timer windows are created in |
| 15:37.26 | A1win | mm... |
| 15:37.27 | Ashamed | Just Toss it |
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| 15:39.01 | A1win | 1) create dialog, create dialog item, set the item to a variable 2) make a new action definition with an integer variable to store remaining time, and a while remaining time > 0 loop: set dialog item text to (convert time to text(remaining time)); remaining time--; wait 1 sec; |
| 15:40.42 | A1win | and after the loop, do the effect you want to have when the timer expires |
| 15:41.05 | A1win | (and don't create an actual timer) |
| 15:45.25 | Mexa_ | [16:34] <A1win> timer windows don't show in fullscreen mode, that's what originally made me ditch them -That sounds like bullshit, pardon me. |
| 15:45.55 | A1win | eeh? |
| 15:46.01 | A1win | I mean UI fullscreen mode |
| 15:46.04 | A1win | not game window :p |
| 15:46.32 | Mexa_ | The UI fullscreen mode? |
| 15:47.02 | A1win | there's a function that hides the UI |
| 15:47.16 | Mexa_ | Ah yes |
| 15:47.42 | Mexa_ | So, by setting all UI components to visible, it doesn't show, or vice versa? |
| 15:48.38 | Mexa_ | If it's vice versa, if it's really a problem though? You could just enable that specific UI component, couldn't you? |
| 15:48.45 | A1win | dialogs show when the default UI is hidden with the "fullscreen mode" function |
| 15:49.10 | A1win | but timer windows don't |
| 15:49.12 | A1win | and yeah, I could |
| 15:49.16 | Mexa_ | oh, okay |
| 15:49.17 | A1win | that was a long time ago |
| 15:49.32 | A1win | I said originally made me ditch them, now I don't use them because they're just bad D: |
| 15:49.55 | soulcarver | im not in any kind of full screen |
| 15:50.05 | Mexa_ | Well aye, I do agreed, that they are limited enough to be ditched:p |
| 15:50.13 | A1win | soulcarver, well then how do you create them? |
| 15:50.30 | soulcarver | set the timer |
| 15:50.33 | A1win | err or you did say you have some frames hidden |
| 15:50.38 | soulcarver | set the window to use the timer |
| 15:50.38 | A1win | so that's probably the reason |
| 15:50.47 | soulcarver | show the window |
| 15:50.48 | soulcarver | f it |
| 15:50.50 | soulcarver | dialog it is |
| 15:50.51 | A1win | ;p |
| 16:01.21 | soulcarver | so i cant seem to get a text value from the time |
| 16:01.22 | soulcarver | timer |
| 16:02.53 | Ashamed | there is a way |
| 16:02.55 | Ashamed | loo9k soul |
| 16:02.57 | Ashamed | LOOK! |
| 16:03.14 | Ashamed | i think you may need to create it yourself. |
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| 16:19.32 | Ashamed | so bored :( |
| 16:20.06 | Daara | you could start making wc3 spells for me ^^ |
| 16:24.55 | Ashamed | i am at work |
| 16:25.01 | Ashamed | but its dead enough i bet i could |
| 16:25.01 | Ashamed | lol |
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| 16:32.12 | soulcarver | anybody here familiar with banks? |
| 16:36.33 | Ashamed | soul what is going on? |
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| 17:16.08 | Ashamed | ooookah |
| 17:18.33 | soulcarver | ugh |
| 17:18.38 | soulcarver | cant get my banks to work |
| 17:18.56 | soulcarver | anybody know the directory of the bank files when working locally |
| 17:18.57 | soulcarver | ? |
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| 17:27.13 | soulcarver | anybody familiar with banks around? |
| 17:27.18 | soulcarver | sixen by any chance? |
| 17:30.50 | Mexa_ | http://www.wimp.com/fishbarrel/ |
| 17:44.24 | Daara | lol |
| 17:48.58 | soulcarver | zomg |
| 17:49.02 | soulcarver | i cant get bank to work |
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| 17:55.39 | harl | [.ffuwuff.] |
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| 18:20.01 | Ashamed | yes |
| 18:20.03 | Ashamed | Soul |
| 18:20.05 | Ashamed | what is your issue? |
| 18:20.11 | Ashamed | let me get a bank file example |
| 18:20.43 | Ashamed | saving or loading |
| 18:20.48 | Ashamed | the directory is my documents |
| 18:20.50 | Ashamed | in the sc2 folder |
| 18:38.46 | soulcarver | can anybody help me test my banks online? |
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| 18:56.29 | soulcarver | anybody available to help me test some bank stuff online? |
| 19:40.05 | soulcarver | and nobody else? |
| 19:40.06 | soulcarver | ugh |
| 19:40.06 | soulcarver | why does my bank only work for me online |
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| 19:54.26 | Ashamed | lol soul really? |
| 19:54.35 | Ashamed | did you resave the bank on local? |
| 19:55.04 | Ashamed | we keep missing eachother |
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| 19:58.44 | soulcarver | pretty much |
| 19:58.52 | soulcarver | think i fixed my problem though |
| 20:01.04 | Ashamed | g00d |
| 20:03.33 | fate | hey guys a math exercise for my map: |
| 20:04.04 | Ahli | the answer is 42 |
| 20:04.22 | Mexa_ | the answer is Chuck Testa |
| 20:04.29 | Daara | 23 |
| 20:04.42 | soulcarver | can i get some people to test banks? |
| 20:05.01 | soulcarver | quick join game hit some buttons |
| 20:05.03 | soulcarver | leave game |
| 20:05.12 | soulcarver | rejoin to see if banks loaded correctly |
| 20:05.21 | fate | i have a orthogonal triangle : with 2 points and 2 sides how to find the 3rd point |
| 20:05.43 | soulcarver | what you mean |
| 20:05.47 | soulcarver | orthogonal? |
| 20:05.56 | fate | ohm^^ |
| 20:06.20 | fate | rectangular |
| 20:06.30 | fate | math english is hard^^ |
| 20:06.42 | soulcarver | and you want to find what? |
| 20:07.08 | fate | right-angled triangle |
| 20:07.17 | soulcarver | get corner |
| 20:07.24 | soulcarver | get width |
| 20:07.24 | fate | the koords of the thirt point |
| 20:07.30 | Mexa_ | I suspect you'll get 4 possible points |
| 20:07.31 | soulcarver | get height |
| 20:07.44 | Mexa_ | depends on what sides the points are |
| 20:07.48 | Mexa_ | depends on what sides the points are*connected to |
| 20:07.50 | soulcarver | are you dealing with dialogs or map cords? |
| 20:07.59 | soulcarver | cause it does make a little different on how you get the info |
| 20:08.08 | soulcarver | but its pretty much the same cord math |
| 20:08.15 | fate | no its for move order triggers in for my squad system |
| 20:08.22 | soulcarver | eh |
| 20:08.29 | soulcarver | why would you need that? |
| 20:08.36 | fate | becouse |
| 20:08.37 | soulcarver | just use radius and circles... |
| 20:08.56 | soulcarver | or offsets |
| 20:08.59 | fate | i dont want each squad to moch to the same point |
| 20:09.05 | fate | *move |
| 20:09.22 | soulcarver | well |
| 20:09.42 | soulcarver | its position of point |
| 20:09.42 | fate | ah ofsets |
| 20:09.44 | soulcarver | + x |
| 20:09.48 | soulcarver | + y |
| 20:09.51 | soulcarver | or |
| 20:10.02 | soulcarver | save units offset from center point of unit group |
| 20:10.14 | soulcarver | save the offsets to custom values on the units |
| 20:10.27 | soulcarver | then assign points back related to new point |
| 20:10.38 | soulcarver | thats how I would do it anyways |
| 20:10.59 | fate | well im trying sth with offsets now |
| 20:11.00 | soulcarver | you can add a random increments in there to make it more life like |
| 20:11.14 | Ashamed | soul why cant you test your load yourself? |
| 20:11.19 | soulcarver | depends on how your keying up your squad movements |
| 20:11.23 | Ashamed | you should be able to test each player |
| 20:11.23 | soulcarver | how? |
| 20:11.29 | soulcarver | i think its fexed |
| 20:11.40 | soulcarver | it was working single player with comps |
| 20:11.43 | soulcarver | but not online |
| 20:11.51 | Ashamed | just make it pc player for each player |
| 20:11.52 | soulcarver | i found a piece of code that I think was cause the issue |
| 20:11.59 | Ashamed | so once you want to test 2 |
| 20:12.03 | Ashamed | make pl1 a computer |
| 20:12.06 | soulcarver | oh |
| 20:12.09 | Ashamed | and default will be 2 |
| 20:12.09 | Ashamed | and so on |
| 20:12.13 | soulcarver | its the other peopole banks that werent working |
| 20:12.26 | soulcarver | mine were all working............ |
| 20:12.26 | Ashamed | so you can at least test the triggers for each player |
| 20:12.35 | soulcarver | yeah i ussually do it that way |
| 20:12.37 | Ashamed | well then just have your bank over write |
| 20:12.40 | Ashamed | and the new one will work |
| 20:12.52 | soulcarver | but comps cant load banks... or well not the way my code is write |
| 20:12.55 | Ashamed | if yours is working... then you know the triggers are working |
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| 20:13.02 | soulcarver | supports 14 players here |
| 20:13.17 | Ashamed | well if you test all 14 player triggers with bank save/load |
| 20:13.21 | Ashamed | you will know |
| 20:13.33 | Ashamed | if one of the banks dont work you know you need to fix that players triggers |
| 20:13.37 | soulcarver | like i said im pretty sure it works now eh |
| 20:13.41 | soulcarver | there was some other bugs |
| 20:13.54 | Ashamed | Just giving you some test options |
| 20:13.57 | soulcarver | that seemed to only pop up with more players in the game |
| 20:13.58 | Ashamed | didnt look like anyone was avail for testing |
| 20:14.01 | soulcarver | yeah |
| 20:14.02 | soulcarver | thanx |
| 20:14.05 | Ashamed | see that is differnt |
| 20:14.18 | soulcarver | i have fully working ai's as well |
| 20:14.23 | Ashamed | are you loading everything for each player? |
| 20:14.31 | Ashamed | or are you using like (trigger player) |
| 20:14.31 | soulcarver | but i dont see them with the ai's in game |
| 20:14.40 | soulcarver | you cant on the preload |
| 20:14.45 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 20:14.49 | Ashamed | thats why i was asking |
| 20:14.50 | Ashamed | :) |
| 20:14.52 | soulcarver | ive been through like 30 posts |
| 20:15.04 | Ashamed | let me just post my triggers and you can double check |
| 20:15.05 | Ashamed | one second |
| 20:15.10 | soulcarver | no no its ok |
| 20:15.24 | Ashamed | i already have it... |
| 20:15.29 | soulcarver | k |
| 20:16.42 | soulcarver | did you send me something |
| 20:16.47 | soulcarver | think noscript blocked it lol |
| 20:17.22 | Ashamed | nvm |
| 20:21.17 | soulcarver | thanx though... |
| 20:22.56 | Ashamed | lol i got a call ;0 |
| 20:23.04 | Ashamed | i can still get it just one moment. |
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| 20:23.49 | Ashamed | Its teh MEXA |
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| 20:37.45 | Ashamed | Drinking early in the office today lol |
| 20:42.04 | Mexa_ | ahdundun |
| 20:42.32 | fate | nice i got my 2 target locations for my 2 squads |
| 20:43.33 | fate | now i have to match the points with the squads |
| 20:46.56 | soulcarver | hows that going fate? |
| 20:49.26 | fate | well |
| 20:50.09 | fate | i just found out i have to make a trigger thats versy complex^^ |
| 20:50.31 | fate | u mean how i made the points? |
| 20:50.40 | fate | with polar offset |
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| 21:09.32 | fate | i have a hard tirgger to make: i have a plenty of Ponts Pa and a Plenty of Points Pb. Wanted is the 2 points pa , pb witch have the smallest distance |
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| 21:22.30 | ctccromer | If i issue an order to an overseer in a trigger to make a changeling, how do i set the resulting changeling to a unit variable? Last Created Unit doesnt work and I dont see "any unit of unit type in region" |
| 21:26.35 | Ahli | Get the effect and save the unit that did it or use another event to trigger something new. |
| 21:27.20 | Ahli | Or you create the unit with triggers, then you would have an instant reference to the unit that you want to have a reference too. |
| 21:28.14 | A1win | ctccromer, you need to make a trigger that catches the changeling creation event, I don't think you can get it in the same trigger where you issue the order |
| 21:28.36 | A1win | unless you do a wait and search for a changeling under the overseer but that'd be a bit hacky :p |
| 21:29.30 | Ahli | then I would trigger the whole effect with animations, waits, create, etc before I would do a solution that can possibly fail. |
| 21:29.31 | A1win | but yeah, why not just create a changeling under the overseer instead of issuing the order? |
| 21:31.00 | ctccromer | Its a cinematic, i dont want to just pop one in :/ |
| 21:31.17 | A1win | you can play the birth animation after you've created it |
| 21:31.37 | A1win | and it'll look just as if it had created it with the ability |
| 21:31.39 | ctccromer | oh really? lemme try that then |
| 21:31.47 | A1win | send actor message, animation bracket start |
| 21:31.48 | ctccromer | first time making a cinematic hehe |
| 21:32.42 | A1win | name it "Birth" or whatever, set starting to "Birth, Start", content to "Birth" and ending to "Birth, End" |
| 21:33.04 | A1win | or actually not sure if it's the birth animation or drop off or something |
| 21:33.11 | A1win | look at the changeling's animations to make sure :p |
| 21:33.12 | ctccromer | also while im workin on this, would you mind giving me feedback on just some mechanics? Im just starting to work on a map but trying to get feedback on the planning before I actually start working on it |
| 21:35.03 | A1win | no idea what I'd have to say before reading anything ;p |
| 21:35.14 | ctccromer | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-feedback/28513-changeling-arpg-mechanics-foundation-only/?results |
| 21:35.19 | ctccromer | :P |
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| 21:36.48 | ctccromer | for the animation options, do i need to check non-looping and/or full match or should i just leave it all unchecked? |
| 21:36.58 | A1win | another rpg :x ...as a first thought, I'm not really into RPGs that don't have an insane amount of effort put into them, which even most commercial single player RPGs fail at |
| 21:37.38 | A1win | no need to touch the flags, the defaults are intended for playing an animation once |
| 21:39.37 | A1win | I'd say focus on the gameplay mechanics more than on creating a story |
| 21:40.48 | ctccromer | thats mainly what im trying to get planned out right now. The units i do/dont want to make playable, the UI, yes/no to inventory/armor, all that fun stuff |
| 21:40.56 | A1win | make it easy to swap your appearance to whatever you've already killed, but not completely "free" either |
| 21:41.10 | ctccromer | its not gonna be like those RPG's that still use the starcraft UI though. 100% custom UI |
| 21:42.54 | A1win | and don't make it complex just to add more depth, every ability should have a purpose in gameplay |
| 21:43.56 | A1win | adding items and abilities that are just like the others with minor differences just makes things more complicated without actually giving anything for user experience... more like takes it away |
| 21:46.07 | A1win | and some more generic advice: the player should be able to make the right choice based on what he's already seen in the game, not what he's seen in the game after dying and then reloading and playing back to the same step to make that choice :x |
| 21:46.50 | A1win | seen that mistake in a lot of custom maps |
| 21:46.55 | A1win | bad design |
| 21:47.08 | JademusSreg | True.dat |
| 21:48.15 | ctccromer | yup, already taken note of all that. For example, I'm not having stats like str/agi/int (or renamed) because they seem to be more number-crunching game mechanics than actually contributing to the game's fun. That's why i'm not sure if i need armor/inventory or not |
| 21:48.47 | A1win | don't think you need an inventory system for that |
| 21:49.02 | A1win | just make the changeling mechanics interesting enough since that's what the map is supposed to be about |
| 21:49.08 | ctccromer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.20 | A1win | besides, where'd the changeling keep all that stuff if his form is changing all the time :P |
| 21:49.25 | ctccromer | running around without any loot, money, or character-altering devices seems like itd be a little blank |
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| 21:49.55 | ctccromer | lol thats exactly why if i have armor/equip items, they WONT be "armor" |
| 21:51.28 | A1win | don't expand the project too big either, it'd never get finished, at least not in time ;p |
| 21:51.36 | ctccromer | also, any idea if its possible to design a sc2map playable with a 360 controller? O.o |
| 21:51.38 | ctccromer | thatd be fun to play around with |
| 21:52.12 | A1win | no idea |
| 21:54.01 | A1win | you won't need a level-up system either if the character progresses by gaining aspects from tougher and tougher units |
| 21:54.44 | ctccromer | yeah, the race DNA and unit-type exp are the levels, there is no overall level system |
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| 22:23.33 | Mexa_ | Hm, I realised a huge flaw in dialog items created by templates |
| 22:24.06 | Mexa_ | You need to set all properties you are going to access manually, since they are not "initialized" galaxyside wise |
| 22:24.18 | Mexa_ | And otherwise, it just returns a silly error.. |
| 22:24.42 | Mexa_ | So well, thus renders the template pretty much useless in the first place |
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| 22:50.42 | ctccromer | anyone know what type of data doohicky the changeling's timer thing is? I need to take that off so he wont die (or have the timer at all preferably, but the UI isn't shown, so it doesnt amtter really) |
| 22:50.55 | ctccromer | the only behavior i see is his ability to change |
| 22:50.58 | A1win | it's a timed life behavior |
| 22:51.07 | A1win | mmh |
| 22:51.26 | A1win | maybe the ability adds it? |
| 22:51.29 | ctccromer | ChangelingDisguise is the only behavior attached to the unit |
| 22:51.53 | A1win | the effect chain that the ability starts |
| 22:52.11 | ctccromer | so itll be somewhere on that behavior? |
| 22:52.14 | A1win | or maybe the create unit effect has a field to apply a behavior to a unit |
| 22:52.22 | ctccromer | sorry im not that good with the data editor -- more of a trigger guy :) |
| 22:52.31 | A1win | nah, in the overseer's changeling ability |
| 22:52.44 | A1win | it causes an effect that spawns the changeling, and possibly some other effects as well |
| 22:54.56 | ctccromer | if its linked to the overseer, then theoretically creating one with a trigger like i did wont give it the timer. I just started the map again (showing the UI) so ill see if thats the case |
| 22:55.00 | ctccromer | gotta wait for the cinematic to finish |
| 22:56.30 | ctccromer | lol nvm, youre right |
| 22:56.35 | ctccromer | it doesnt have the timer at all |
| 22:57.15 | A1win | yeah, I'm quite sure only a timed life behavior can cause the decreasing grey duration progress bar on a unit |
| 22:57.21 | ctccromer | any idea why all my data stuff changed their names to their default name + " |
| 22:57.30 | ctccromer | "(unnamed)"* |
| 22:57.42 | A1win | there's a combine fields button at the top |
| 22:57.49 | A1win | oh |
| 22:58.01 | A1win | nevermind |
| 22:58.25 | A1win | maybe because of raw data mode? |
| 22:58.40 | A1win | ctrl+d is the shortcut |
| 22:58.44 | ctccromer | nope |
| 22:58.51 | ctccromer | its Overseer (Unnamed) without raw data |
| 22:59.07 | ctccromer | with it its Overseer (Overseer (Unnamed)) |
| 22:59.17 | A1win | the unit? |
| 22:59.40 | ctccromer | yeah, just an example |
| 22:59.44 | A1win | some data objects have (Unnamed) in their name by default, but shouldn't have on all... |
| 22:59.48 | A1win | dunno D: |
| 22:59.49 | ctccromer | its like that for all my units, actors, behaviors, orders, etc |
| 23:00.06 | A1win | what dependencies do you have+ |
| 23:00.07 | ctccromer | nvm, not actors |
| 23:00.07 | A1win | ? |
| 23:00.31 | ctccromer | the default one |
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| 23:00.59 | ctccromer | its all units, abilities, and upgrades, plus a few here and there from other categories, looks like |
| 23:03.24 | ctccromer | also for months now i havent been able to see my cameras and idk why |
| 23:03.46 | A1win | do you have them hidden from view settings? ;p |
| 23:03.48 | ctccromer | theyre set to visible, and i can "view them" (set my camera to their camera) but i cant see the white camera picture or move it or anything |
| 23:04.13 | A1win | the view menu can toggle various things hidden/visible, and they have hotkeys |
| 23:04.18 | A1win | shift-c for cameras I think |
| 23:04.27 | ctccromer | oh wow |
| 23:04.30 | ctccromer | thats so stupid! |
| 23:04.32 | A1win | hehe |
| 23:04.36 | ctccromer | view > layers > camera |
| 23:04.47 | ctccromer | because one "view/dont view" setting isnt enough >.< |
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| 23:41.35 | Mexa_ | http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/11/23/check-out-the-dungeons-of-world-of-warcraft-39-s-hour-of-twilight-update.aspx why is there so many weird outofplace dialogs/sounds/comments in that video o_o |
| 23:41.44 | Mexa_ | ? |
