IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20111113

00:11.32Daarafuck yeah!  eat shit boise state!
00:11.50JademusSregHaha
00:12.52JademusSreghttp://www.facebook.com/PhotonCycles
00:13.06JademusSregApparently Ququ maintains that page and hosts the tourney.
00:13.07MotiveMY GOD THE MAP HAS PHOTON CYCLES
00:13.08MotiveGOD HELP US ALL
00:17.23Vailrethmake a spell?
00:22.18Daarayea
00:22.35DaaraLike an aoe gravitron beam
00:23.02Daarai'm pretty sure i could do it myself though
00:24.03JademusSregSounds like it would just need the insertion of an intermediary search area, with an effect to apply it to those in the affected area.
00:24.26Daarayea pretty much
00:24.29JademusSregLike adding a link halfway through a chain.
00:24.46Daarai added a Strangulate animation to all the models im using
00:25.01CazUhm
00:25.04Daaraso when they are floating they'll actually look like they are being lifted
00:25.12CazIm in cortex but i dont know if im suppose to be doing anything lol
00:25.20Cazim a lil dragon zipping around an empty map :x
00:25.44Daarathen i just want them to lose like 4% max health every second they are in the air
00:25.56JademusSregCortex is an open RP map.
00:26.21JademusSregSandbox for people who don't know how to use the editor, I guess. I jest. Partially.
00:26.51MotivePsh
00:26.55MotiveIt's fun is what it is
00:26.58Motivefor roleplaying or sandboxing
00:26.58Motive:)
00:26.58*** join/#sc2mapster Agouti (~Agouti@60-240-3-202.tpgi.com.au)
00:27.01MotiveEspecially 2.1
00:27.07MotiveMotherships that shoot vortexes!
00:27.14MotiveOr battlecruisers that launch wraiths
00:27.15MotiveWoohoo!
00:27.50JademusSreg=D
00:28.00CazWhat's sandboxing?
00:28.09MotiveThink Gary's Mod
00:28.11JademusSregDepends on the context.
00:28.26Cazand is everyone suppose to be the lil dragon with ungodly move speed .-. ?
00:29.11CazThe map itself was visually awesome =p
00:29.16Cazjust wasnt sure what to do lol
00:29.35JademusSregHave Motive host a game. =D
00:29.56Motivehttp://www.youtube.com/motiveme
00:30.05MotiveToo lazy to make new videos but meh
00:31.24CazThe one i was in was "Virtue Seeker"
00:36.50Daarai hate making new weapons
00:37.02JademusSregWhy so?
00:37.18Daarabecause it takes 30 seconds longer than it should!
00:37.33JademusSregHow so?
00:37.53Daaracause you have to do effects, actors, and weapons
00:38.04Daarasounds i suppose if you want to change those too
00:38.21JademusSregSounds easy enough.
00:38.23CazMotive, rotate command no work D: ?
00:38.34Daaraits just annoying to do so much for a simple thing
00:39.39JademusSregI recently had the pleasure of redoing all the action actors for Terran units for my prototype.
00:39.53Daarathat's fun stuff!
00:40.09JademusSregIncluding attach methods for the launch queries.
00:40.11DaaraI duplicate actors then add the extra stuff and fix anything else
00:40.23Daaramost things stay about the same
00:41.02JademusSregUsually I make everything from scratch. But since I'm just prototyping mechanics, not starting on the real components, I can afford to take a few shortcuts to get it all working.
00:42.56Vailrethhow the heck does curse expect us to mod with no tools ... i see some people have started already but i cant find any info on HOW
00:43.35Frostwindis very bored because he has no project to work on
00:43.46JademusSregStart one.
00:44.04Frostwinddoes that mean you're joining me?
00:44.12JademusSregOr just do what you've been doing and do nothing. Either way is fine.
00:44.18JademusSregOh goodness, no.
00:47.29DaaraI'll help you Frostwind.
00:47.33DaaraBut I charge by the hour.
00:57.57Vailrethnice Daara
01:00.37Daarahmm
01:00.53Daarai think i need to attach my ref_origin to a bone
01:01.53Daarayep
01:22.04Frostwindyawn
02:14.19*** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (31NAATIDC@ppp118-209-51-20.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net)
02:14.48*** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (~Mexa.EU@80.78.216.84)
02:54.12DaaraI'm horrible at making spells.
02:54.14DaaraVailreth!
02:54.21Vailrethyes?
02:54.41DaaraWhatcha say about making me this AoE Gravitron Beam.
02:54.51DaaraOr atleast walking me through lol
02:55.07Aeliai made a graviton beam D:
02:55.16DaaraAoE one?
02:55.20Vailrethi am some what busy right now i can work on it in the morning if thats alright.
02:55.23Aeliawouldnt be too hard
02:55.35DaaraOh, I'm in no hurry.
03:01.16XenoX101wow
03:01.18XenoX101this is blowing my mind
03:01.19XenoX101holy shit
03:01.27XenoX101I have triggers running that dont even EXIST
03:01.42XenoX101ok I DID have such triggers
03:02.01XenoX101apparently copying over component lists
03:02.02Daarait's like the phantom pooper
03:02.03XenoX101can have issues
03:02.11XenoX101I had to delete my melee initalization trigger
03:02.16XenoX101and recreate it because
03:02.30XenoX101I couldn't see the triggers that were being activated :O
03:02.36XenoX101it overlapped the old triggers, without removing them
03:18.46*** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~casdasd@dslb-092-073-207-045.pools.arcor-ip.net)
04:07.16Frostwindis very bored because he has no project to work on
04:40.50A1winmorning
04:41.24Cazhai
04:50.05A1wininteresting, just found the Conversations data type o: UI sound definitions seem to be in them
04:51.57A1winodd... the "vespene geyser required for placement" is playing with the default file even though I changed the actual sound link to use a different file, and it's playing correctly even from the conversation settings... but in-game it's the default file
05:15.49A1winas if it's not even using the sound link x.x I changed loop count from 0 to 1 and it still only plays it once
05:19.39A1winand it always says "vespene geyser required for placement" no matter what unit I'm trying to build and what the built on unit is set to
05:19.59*** join/#sc2mapster Demo (4304bdcb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.4.189.203)
05:20.06DemoHola bretheren
05:22.42DemoSo to check if a string has non alphabetical characters in it, i.e. I want to make sure the string is only using alphabetical characters, for naming purposes. Would I use string comparison? or is there another way to do it?
05:24.42DustinId make a function that scan each character in the string and check it against a list of acceptable characters
05:26.19Demobasically check a position in the string and make sure it follows the alphabet "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
05:26.29A1winbah, as if the "vespene geyser required for placement" sound was hardcoded to the game x__O
05:26.30Demoif it isn't one of them, fail it
05:26.59Dustinyup
05:27.22DemoThat shouldn't be too difficult, time to write a function, something I'm still unfamiliar with lol.
05:27.26A1winif you could compare individual characters and convert them to numeric values, you could check if it falls within the value range =p but I doubt it's possible
05:27.58A1winand it'll be efficient enough either way so carry on D:
05:28.20DustinDemo, want me to write one for you?
05:29.03DemoThat would be much appreciated, the string will be between 3 and 10 characters. This would also allow me to reverse it to understand functions more
05:29.10*** join/#sc2mapster Agouti|2 (~Agouti@60-240-3-202.tpgi.com.au)
05:30.20DustinYup, workin on it now
05:31.00DemoI most definitely appreciate it. I just don't want people making names that are like $bAfka&_ba
05:31.23Dustinlol wat
05:32.02DemoI want the names to more or less be like world of warcraft, I don't want people to make ridiculous names, I personally like formal names.
05:34.34Dustinahhh
05:47.05DustinDo you want spaces?
05:48.04DustinFuck ya, done
05:48.16Demoum no spaces
05:48.23Demosorry reading e-mails from my fiancee
05:51.40Dustinhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/ChatStringFunction.SC2Map
05:51.43DustinThere ya go man
05:51.53DustinThe function and a trigger showcasing how to use it
05:52.02Dustinjust run the map and type something to see if it passes
05:52.10DemoAny specific name you want in credits once I complete the map?
05:53.40DustinDustin, if you'd like.
05:54.35DemoWill do, I appreciate it.
05:54.48Dustinno problem sir
06:00.15Aeliazzzzzzz
06:00.17Aeliahi Dustin
06:00.27Dustinhi sir
06:00.34AeliaDemo: because there arent any ridiculous names in wow
06:00.58DemoOh there are, but I want to at least prevent really really stupid names
06:01.11Aelialike there arent really stupid names in wow
06:01.31DemoI suppose I can't fully stop the stupid users.
06:01.41DemoIt would be a waste of time.
06:02.34DemoSo, can I put a restriction on swear words? or would that get my map flagged...
06:04.26DustinWhat do you mean?
06:04.47DemoLike if I check the string for swear words, would it prevent my map from being published because it has swear words in it.
06:05.03DustinActually I think so
06:05.07Dustinwait
06:05.07Dustinno
06:05.08DemoI know rodrigos map got removedat some point in time for something similar
06:05.18DustinRodrigos was flagged because the words cameup in the game
06:05.23DemoI see
06:05.27DustinYours is jsut for checking
06:05.30Dustinso you can do that fine
06:05.36DemoI'm sure if blizzard did remove it, I would have a pretty good case.
06:05.43DemoTo get the map back up.
06:06.08DemoI'd like to remove blatant immaturity if possible.
06:06.11DustinThey dont scan your string table or anything on upload
06:06.15Dustinso you'll be fine
06:06.23DemoAlright, sounds good. Thanks again :)
06:19.54Dustindo you want this function i whiped up for hcecking restricted words?
06:20.28JademusSregBack from an evening of Photon Cycles.
06:20.29DustinIt doesnt work the best
06:20.43DustinBecasue it checks words of the string (seperated by spaces)
06:20.53Dustinso if someone types lpenis it wont catch it
06:21.02DustinHi JademusSreg
06:21.39JademusSregHi Dustin.
06:22.59DustinDemo, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/ChatStringFunction.SC2Map
06:23.04DustinIts been updated
06:23.41DemoHow has it been updated? Checking :)
06:24.08DustinAdded a Is_String_Restricted
06:24.09DemoFunny thing is, right after I looked at your function, I figured out how I could use something like that and save a bunch of time.
06:24.29Dustinto check the words in a string and compares to a list
06:26.19DemoI think I love you, I am laughing at the words that you decided were inappropriate :)
06:27.10DemoI added a few more, thank you for this
06:28.06Dustinhehe no problem
06:30.06DustinWhats your map?
06:30.59DemoI worked on an rpg a while ago, but the system didn't really support multiple players, right now I'm doing the character selection screen, and saves, I just want to get it so you can create characters, and I am just making sure I get the little things out of the way early
06:31.13Demolast map I finished, going back and doing all of the little things got annoying
06:31.32Dustinya
06:31.50DemoIt's a turn based rpg, supports up to 12 players, will have a party system (up to 6), quests, mercenaries for those who play with less than 6, etc etc
06:31.55Dustinits better to make the systems in small goes with high attention to organisation and detail
06:32.13DustinThen just slapping some in there
06:32.32DemoUnlike my last map, I'm laying out things so they can be easily changed or added to in the future
06:32.59DustinDo you need an indexing system for your map?
06:33.13Demoi.e. my last map all the units statistics were saved individually each time they were loaded, rather than being recalled from an existing template
06:33.41DemoI plan on trying to write that function myself, as I have a bunch of spells/abilities I will need to add
06:33.52DustinWell
06:33.58DustinI have an index system that works for units
06:34.19DustinSets them all a unique index and you can reference arrays of data with the index
06:34.21Demoand now that I think I understand functions a little bit more, I should be able to add spells and all of the information tied to them with that function
06:35.17DemoThe way I currently have it set up, is that your save file will be in a specific position 1-9 of the save positions. That will recall all of the stats/unit etc from 1 value
06:35.30Demousing arrays
06:35.37DustinSo you could do like "Cast Effect Unit_Stats[GetUnitID(TriggeringUnit)].Weapon_Effect
06:35.38DustinEtc
06:35.59Demoi.e. Exactly
06:36.47DustinWell if you want to use it, Its really easy to setup and updates the indexs when units die/are removed
06:37.10A1winhttp://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-11-13%2008_35_01.jpg
06:37.13Dustinhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/26250-library-dustins-unit-indexing-dui/#p3
06:38.01A1winold UI: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-11-08%2021_39_34.jpg
06:38.43DemoI wish I had the ability to design UI lol
06:39.46DemoI have it bookmarked dustin, I will check it soon.
06:40.39Demohttp://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2790/screenshot2011111300384.jpg
06:40.43DemoThere's my iui
06:40.46DemoUI*
06:46.15Dustinlooks good
06:48.43A1winframe and button colors could be a bit more alike to each other but otherwise seems fine
06:48.59JademusSregYour stat categories in the left panel need some manner of divider; it all runs together and is a bit of a mess.
06:49.53JademusSregEither subframes or bars, I think.
06:50.42A1winthe headers also don't look like headers since they're the same size as the content
06:50.54JademusSregYus.
06:51.41JademusSregAlso, the buttons are over the unit icons, looks odd.
06:52.09JademusSregCreate the image after its corresponding button, or change render priority.
06:52.47JademusSregOr if you prefer them being tinted like the button, rescale the images to better fit.
06:53.37DemoI moved the images, checking to see what it looks like now
06:54.29DemoI know I need to change the way that statistics are shown, I just really really hate the text editor
06:55.51JademusSregI mean in addition to changing the text headers for the stat categories, they need another visual queue that makes them look more coherent.
06:56.41JademusSregLike using a subframe behind them (by which I mean an image that looks like a panel).
06:56.42DemoThe way I have it right now, that's all one giant box of text
06:57.04DemoI do like the images > the buttons by the way
06:57.12DemoI assumed that the images would block the buttons from being clicked.
06:57.18A1winis that "Available neosteel" obvious enough (it's also represented as the white status bar): http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-11-12%2018_47_44.jpg
06:57.33A1winor any idea how to make it pop out a bit
06:57.39JademusSregNeeds a color.
06:57.54DemoColor, and it seems small...
06:57.59JademusSregI'd suggest the off-yellow pastel.
06:58.00Demoby comparison to surrounding text
06:58.22A1winmmh
06:58.29JademusSregForming color associations to gameplay mechanics is a powerful tool.
06:58.56A1winmm... can color the bar with the same color
06:59.16DemoSo what would be the easiest way to add "bars"
06:59.24JademusSregThe same way minerals are blue, vespene is green, energy is blue/purple, and anything pertaining to them is.
06:59.43Demojust create another dialog with a height of 1?
07:00.09A1winyou can insert images into text
07:00.13JademusSregOr in RPGs, health is red or green, mana is blue, and items use colors as visual indicators of their utility, makes it all very intuitive.
07:00.46JademusSregOne could simply create the bars in the dialog, positioned where you please, no big deal.
07:00.47DemoYeah, I haven't quite decided what colors will mean what, but red = hostile ability green = friendly ability
07:01.01JademusSregOr as A1 mentioned, you can display images in text.
07:01.03A1winI have so many resources that I can't color them all with different colors, but I just need the "available whatever resource" be obvious in each building
07:01.39JademusSregYeah, A1, just mentioning it. =D I don't expect each resource to have a color, but resources in general should have a color.
07:01.50A1winyea ;p
07:01.56A1winwhite is a nice color though D:
07:02.03A1winwhat about changing the other text to light grey
07:02.14JademusSregBlue grey maybe.
07:05.13DemoWhat image could I use for a bar :/ lol
07:06.15JademusSregDepnds on where you're creating it; in the text or in the dialog?
07:07.05Demoin the dialog
07:07.34DemoI'll just separate the labels, it will make it cleaner for me to edit anyways, since most of the values are wrongish anyways.
07:07.45JademusSregAh. Then you could make them like bars behind the headers for each category.
07:08.22JademusSregLike a proper header, a stripe of some sort. Or you could use the dropdown menu texture. =D
07:14.40A1winmmh maybe not a good idea to change the color for all the text...
07:14.51DemoOn yours or mine?
07:14.55A1winmine
07:15.07DemoWhy do you say that?
07:15.40A1winI mean I was testing out changing the "normal" text to a different shade than the one that's highlighted with white
07:16.41DemoWhat would you like to see separated JademusSreg .. Passive Abilities, Core Abilities, and Core Stats?
07:16.53DemoThose 3 separate from one another?
07:17.44Demoor would you like to see small headlines for each catagory
07:20.16A1winhow's that? just inreased font size for the number value: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-11-13%2009_19_37.jpg
07:20.36JademusSregOw.
07:21.03JademusSregDoes not please. I mean, it pops, but not in an aesthetically pleasing way.
07:21.09A1winmmh
07:21.52DemoTo me, all of the texts in there seem to be odd sizes, might just be the text style. Do you see that jade?
07:21.54A1winmaybe I need to get rid of the white then
07:22.24A1winthe green might look smaller because of JPG compression
07:22.47A1winor what texts are you talking about D:
07:22.50DemoI'm more talking about Available and neosteel are about the same physical length as power and demand
07:23.07Demolike if you were to measure it on your screen, it makes them look tiny by comparison
07:23.37A1winI don't follow :E
07:23.44JademusSregWhen in doubt, I make my own font styles.
07:24.12DemoLook on IRC, most words with the same amount of characters are the same width.
07:24.23Demowhere as on your map..
07:24.27A1windepends on your IRC font =P
07:24.58DemoAvailable
07:25.00DemoDemand
07:25.10Demoon your map, those are close to the same width
07:25.32A1winthat's because there are a lot of i's and l's in available
07:25.42A1winwhy's that a problem O_o
07:26.06DemoIt just looks odd to me
07:26.10A1winI don't see any reason to use fixed width fonts there
07:26.11Demomy opinion, I'm strange like that
07:26.26DemoEvery UI I make I hate
07:26.29A1win:P
07:26.42A1winanyway... could also use some better representation for that "2 | 5"
07:26.42DemoIt's never what I want, and any time I try to make it what I want, I never get any closer
07:26.59A1winI had it has 2/5 before but that's no good either...
07:27.10Demois it 2 out of 5?
07:27.17Demoor is it 2 fifths?
07:27.23A1winit's two different numbers
07:27.30Demo:/
07:27.38Demothat is problemsome
07:27.42A1winif demand goes over supply, power goes offline
07:27.58DemoI see
07:28.09A1winI'll take a screenshot
07:28.16Demoso it really is 2 of 5 then,
07:28.23Demo2 demand of 5 possible supply
07:28.26A1winhmmh well kinda
07:28.38Demoif it goes to 6 of 5 it shuts down
07:28.55A1winhttp://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-11-13%2009_28_31.jpg
07:29.50DemoYeah I'm trying to think of the operative word to use, so you aren't trying to divide the numbers, I mean I understand it now, but from looking at it without an explanation I was semi-lost
07:29.51A1winmaybe phrase it as "Grid demand per supply: 2/5"
07:30.01A1winmmh no..
07:30.29Democould us vs
07:30.43A1winGrid power usage:
07:31.16A1winmmh not sure if demand is a good word to be used at all there
07:31.20DemoGrid Demand Versus Supply: 2 vs 5
07:31.30A1win:P sounds bad
07:31.48DemoI'm just throwing stuff out there, that makes the most sense to me personally, but there may be a better way
07:31.54A1winmm...
07:32.50A1winI think "Grid power usage: 2/5" would make enough sense
07:33.03Demobecause using Grid Demand and Supply, makes them seem separate.
07:33.09Demoyeah that's better
07:34.38A1winand change demand to usage for most descriptions
07:36.37A1winI really should change my resource cheat from "kaching" to something that I don't typo every time
07:37.47A1winhmm and I should probably move the Available neosteel text to the bottom so that the power info remains in the same place for all buildings
07:38.14Demowhat font styles automatically center?
07:38.31DemoIs there a way to make any style auto center?
07:38.42JademusSregNone that I can tell.
07:38.47A1winif you use the set style function
07:39.00A1winthere's ModCenterSize## stuff for example
07:39.06A1winand most title styles auto center
07:39.17A1winif you use the <s> tags in text, it doesn't affect justification
07:39.32A1winonly the "set dialog item style" function does
07:40.00DemoSo I have it set to Glue Title
07:40.05Demohow would it Make it center in a label
07:40.53A1winset the glue title in a text tag instead and set the style to ModCenterSize## afterwards (## being whatever)
07:41.24A1win<s val="GlueTitle">your title here</s>
07:41.33A1winset dialog item style to "ModCenterSize20"
07:41.56DemoI see what you mean
07:43.22Demotesting it
07:43.45Demoworked awesomely,
07:43.56Demothank you lol, I've been centering everything with spaces...
07:44.48JademusSregIt's not precise enough for me. I have to do some fiddling to get small text centered.
07:45.38DemoI would really only use it for titles/headlines
07:46.01DemoOnce I get out of these dialogs for the character creation it will be much simpler
07:46.51A1winJademusSreg, what's not precise enough? the center justified fonts work quite precisely o:
07:47.19JademusSregDidn't for me at size 12.
07:47.33A1winah...
07:49.44A1winhmm maybe a light brown color for resources
07:57.06A1winhttp://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-11-13%2009_56_28.jpg
07:57.18A1winJademusSreg, how's that? o:
07:59.40JademusSregNice color. Funny thing is I meant the label on the left, not the number.
07:59.53A1winhaha
08:00.10A1winI'm not sure if that's a good idea, there are already two different colored text in the box
08:00.51A1winand the value is what you're looking for
08:02.44DemoBetter? http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4202/screenshot2011111302014.jpg
08:03.23A1winyup, still a lot of different colors around though
08:03.42Demowhat are you talking about lol
08:04.10A1winthe different UI elements
08:04.22A1winone's grey, some are blue, one's race-colored
08:04.44DemoI see what you mean, you want the buttons for the characters to be white?
08:04.53Demothe race colored one I just haven't finished yet
08:05.09DemoThat's a text box, I may just remove the background all together
08:05.17A1windoesn't matter what the colors are, just that the elements look like they belong to the same UI
08:05.42A1winnow it looks like you have parts of 3 different UIs put together ;p
08:06.12A1winmaybe change the grey into blue or something if you want to keep that color for the buttons
08:06.21DemoIf I could find a better button ui that would make white work, I would do it that way... I prefer the blue because of the button style
08:06.36DemoI also want the buttons to stick out, so you know what to press
08:07.47JademusSregI dig it.
08:07.52JademusSregLooks nice.
08:08.06DemoDo you think the buttons would be better white?
08:08.07JademusSregOnly glaring thing is the edit box dialog.
08:08.14DemoThe race colored one is just not set up
08:08.21JademusSregI think the buttons are great as they are.
08:08.43DemoKnow of any good uis in game for text boxes?
08:11.51JademusSregHm.
08:12.04JademusSregMerc panels might have some good examples, also story mission shit.
08:12.34Demomerc panels?
08:12.53JademusSregFrames for the mercenary hiring UI.
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08:14.05DemoYeah the current text box is the same as the buttons lol
08:15.23DemoI'm okay with that though, I'll just have it say "Write Name Here"
08:16.26DemoThis literally looks 100x better, thank you guys.
08:16.50JademusSregNo problem.
08:31.08DemoAlright, obviously the stats look bad, what do you think would look better? Passives are being fixed right now... http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3668/screenshot2011111302292.jpg
08:31.32DemoI would like to make it apparent that the first value is the base/starting value and the second is the gain per level.
08:35.02A1winthere is a typo in speed D:
08:35.15A1winyeah that looks good
08:35.36A1winI guess I was too confused with the race-colored dialog still being there
08:36.13Demoyeah I noticed that too, just too lazy to fix that, still moving dialogs around
08:36.23Demotrying to figure out what style I want the inside text as well
08:39.36DemoAre there any fixed fonts in the styles?
08:40.45JademusSreg?
08:40.48JademusSregClarify?
08:42.08Demofixed width
08:42.19A1winmonospace is the word
08:42.25JademusSregAh.
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08:42.55JademusSregDunno. I've wondered the same. In theory, you may be able to add the font to your map and make the style reference it.
08:43.02Mexagood morning :)
08:43.06JademusSregHi Mexa.
08:43.30DemoImport font through importer?
08:43.38DemoHow would I change it to a style :/
08:43.45MexaLol, I think starcraft is devouring me
08:44.13MexaI had a dream that i spoke with my dad over the phone talking about my car project, among all things..
08:44.19JademusSregYou need to define a custom style in a SC2Style file.
08:44.37JademusSregExamples of which can be seen in the mpqs.
08:44.44MexaHopefully I wasn't talking out loud :o
08:44.47A1winthere was something about fonts in the GameUI settings
08:45.00JademusSregMexa, what about starcraft?
08:45.20MexaSee sentence below :p
08:45.25JademusSregYes, A1, custom style stuff has to then be added in the GameUI custom style fields.
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08:57.21Mexammm... coffee
08:59.10JademusSregSleep time.
08:59.56Mexaseeya
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11:01.22Mexa~seen Grum
11:01.26purlgrum is currently on #sc2mapster #wowhead #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'i'm so proud of you'.
11:01.42MexaGrum, are you around?
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11:14.26Mexatrolololol.. someone have tried to hack into my domain
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12:05.56MexaHello hello, is there anyone around?
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13:18.38Mexaomg
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13:20.45Mexalol
13:20.59MexaSo, apparantly blizzard failed abit when they redesigned Desert Oasis
13:21.00Mexahttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/IMG_13112011_141826.jpg
13:21.19MexaAs you can see the rectangular brush ^^
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13:30.06MexaWhere
13:30.07Mexa's everyone D:
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13:48.14Mexatest
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13:49.43XenoX101anyone know why one of my units is not selectable with other units?
13:49.45XenoX101with box grouping?
13:50.41XenoX101oh found it
13:50.42XenoX101selection layer
13:50.45XenoX101on the model
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14:07.41MexaDustin
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15:25.56Aelia~seen Kueken
15:26.04purlkueken <~Kueken@g225194048.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 22h 21m 31s ago, saying: 'delete the researh one'.
15:26.04Aelia~purl
15:26.04purlfrom memory, purl is a far prettier chatbot than you.
15:26.08AeliaD:
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15:38.09MexaAnyone around now?
15:38.31XenoX101hm
15:40.30KuekenI guess
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15:41.03MexaKueken, I found out another thing Blizz have been lazy at
15:41.14Kuekenuuh surprise ;)
15:41.18MexaYou remember that they remade Desert Oasis abit?
15:41.37Kuekenhardly, I don't follow melee development that much
15:41.56MexaOh well but anyways
15:41.58Kuekencouldn't say what they changed
15:42.13Mexahttp://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/2/411/t3TextureMasks.layer0.png that's how it had its first texturemask on release
15:42.38Mexaand this is now
15:42.39Mexahttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/IMG_13112011_141242.jpg
15:42.45Mexacopy paste much:P?
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15:43.12Kuekenheh
15:43.20Kuekenlooks like someone screwed up
15:43.25Mexahttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/IMG_13112011_141826.jpg backing that up, that you actually see the rectangular brush
15:44.18MexaSo, they just copypasted abit from another part of the terrain, without smoothing the edges out later;)
15:44.59Kueken:)
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16:02.03JademusSregI awaken.
16:02.43Mexaohhey
16:06.51Kuekenoh my god
16:06.55Kuekensomeone sedate him
16:07.02JademusSregYes please.
16:07.23XenoX101does anyone know why my burrowed units mightn't be being recalled
16:07.26JademusSregShoot me in the neck with the tranquilizer dart!
16:07.56Kuekenrecalled by the default recall ability?
16:07.57JademusSregXeno, does the recall effect filter out buried?
16:08.00Mexalooks like art does it not xD http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/IMG_13112011_163738.jpg?
16:08.02XenoX101nope
16:08.12XenoX101its straight copy of mothership recall
16:08.15XenoX101but mothership recall works on it
16:08.28JademusSregNoise generation?
16:08.47JademusSregNo wait.
16:08.52JademusSregMelee map?
16:08.54MexaNah, it's the one half of the blendmap for sc2 terrain.
16:08.56MexaYeah
16:09.04Kuekenso your ms recall works on your burrowed unit
16:09.10Kuekenbut the copy doesn't?
16:09.36JademusSregFascinating, Mexa.
16:09.38Kuekendoes the copy work for other units?
16:10.07MexaJademus, like I mentioned earlier to kueken, they made abit slacky job when updating the map
16:10.19MexaSee the noticable rectangle in the middle
16:10.24MexaIt's just a copypaste
16:10.25Mexalol
16:10.47Mexaand mirrored
16:10.58MexaAnd the funny thing is that you can see it when playing on the map too..
16:11.29A1winis there a function to test if a player has control of an unit?
16:11.37A1winlike control given by interact ability
16:12.30Kuekenno idea
16:12.42MexaAlso, Grum, you're never around it appears, but thank you for your magical formula.
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16:36.07XenoX101how can I get a song to repeat
16:36.13XenoX101Kueken
16:36.18XenoX101it doesnt work
16:36.21Kueken?
16:36.25XenoX101oh
16:36.27XenoX101yeah the motherships does
16:36.37XenoX101the mothership recall works but mine doesnt
16:36.45XenoX101which is exactly the same
16:36.50Kuekenyours does not at all?
16:36.58Kuekenor only for burrowed units
16:38.28XenoX101only burrowed
16:39.01Kuekenhm
16:39.06Kuekenstrange
16:40.01Kuekenfrom my understanding, this could only be caused by the search filter settings or some interfering validator
16:40.13Kuekenbut if you didn't change anything, this is unlikely
16:41.02JademusSregWho owns the burrowed units?
16:41.27XenoX101me
16:44.59A1winduplicating things also changes all (or some) field values that have the duplicated object's exact name in them
16:45.20A1winso maybe it changed some field to refer to something that doesn't exist
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16:46.12A1winlike an ability's default effect is an effect of the same name as that ability (think it's linked as a ID variable instead of raw string)
16:47.10XenoX101oh ya I know that
16:47.15XenoX101I duplicated everything t hough
16:50.34A1winhmm... I think I need to add a little delay before the players gain the ability to mine stuff so that I can give some tutorial which the players can complete at different speeds without it affecting time based balance
16:51.43A1winnot quite sure what they'd do during that though...
16:52.20A1winor maybe I just need an intro cinematic
16:55.57Mexahttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/21/playstation-2-finally-launches-in-brazil-for-the-bargain-price-o/ oh what?
16:56.05MexaThey're just 9 years behind D:
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17:28.57XenoX101hey A1win sent new version of map for uplaod
17:29.00XenoX101upload*
17:29.04XenoX101whenever your free
17:29.08XenoX101I'm off to bed so tired :(
17:29.15XenoX101didnt do the homework I needed to
17:29.19XenoX101gonna be screwed for exam, oh well
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17:50.22Vailrethhmm
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17:55.16MexaWhat's with Dustin today?
17:55.23CazHeyo
17:55.28MexaHe has been failing all over the chat the entire day
17:55.51CazHow do i know what valid values are for a function? Like UnitCreate asks for (int inCreateStyle) ??
17:57.16Mexa0
17:57.20Mexathat's default
17:57.28CazOk but how do i know what to put whenever i don't know what is valid
17:57.34Mexathe the other is if it should ignore pathing, I think
17:57.36Cazi cant ask here every time
17:57.48CazWhere do i find that info?
17:57.50Cazabout functions
17:58.03Mexa// Unit creation styles
17:58.04Mexaconst int c_unitCreateConstruct         = (1 << 0);
17:58.04Mexaconst int c_unitCreateIgnorePlacement   = (1 << 1);
17:58.28Mexayou use either both of them, one of them, or 0
17:59.10Cazah i see
17:59.37MexaSo, if you want to use both, you'd write c_unitCreateConstruct | c_unitCreateIgnorePlacement as parameter
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18:02.33Caznot use to this form of documentation :x
18:11.07MexaDocumentation, where?
18:11.23MexaIt's barely pasted from the natives.galaxy
18:11.31MexaNot much of a documentation:P
18:17.27Cazya im looking at  the natives.galaxy thing
18:17.30Cazand just ..
18:17.33Cazim use to msdn :|
18:18.22Cazright now im trying to get unitcreate to work from script
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18:25.26CazIm trying to use UnitCreate
18:25.35Cazto create a custom unit that i have in data
18:25.47Cazif its name was SomeUnit
18:25.59Cazwould i just need "SomeUnit" to be the unitType param in UnitCreate?
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18:29.55Cazcant figure out the proper string for "inUnitType" :|
18:30.09Cazthe units name doesnt work
18:30.56Mexa"Marine", "Hellion", "yourname", that's all it should take
18:31.22Cazits name is
18:31.25Caz"The Frog"
18:31.33MexaAnd that doesn't work?
18:31.34Cazbut its not creating a unit hm :|
18:31.44Cazat least not visibly on screen.. not seeing one
18:32.08MexaAnd if you place it on the map through the editor and check ingame, it's visible too?
18:32.24Motivetry "TheFrog"
18:32.28Motiveno spaces in unit types
18:32.36Motiveand it's not the visual displayed name, it's the ID of the unit
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18:32.44Motivewhen you view it in raw view in the editor
18:34.08Cazits id is Zergling2
18:34.30Cazname is Unit/Name/The_Frog
18:34.42Cazthats what is ee atm
18:34.45Cazi see*
18:36.39CazIt works, if i use "Zergling2"
18:36.41Cazcan i change this id ?
18:38.51CazFound it, had to double click the unit in data, dialog pop-up let me changed id.
18:38.55CazThanks :)
18:47.46MexaYou found out yourself, pretty much:p
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19:03.06Cazuh how do i get camera to move with a unit?
19:03.13Cazright now the camera's LookAtUnit
19:03.15Cazjust pivots
19:03.18Cazand starts shaking
19:03.38CazDoesnt move with the unit so the distance stays the same
19:04.44CazI don't want the unit getting further from teh camera or closer to it.. basically a "camera lock" where it shadows the unit wherever it goes. Like the spacebar command does in sotis
19:06.51CazEuh..
19:07.06CazBrb, gonna try "CameraFollowUnitGroup" after i convert the 1 unit to a "group" >.>
19:07.20MexaThat could work
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19:07.51MexaThe other implementation would be to position the camera each new engine tick.
19:08.02Mexa*after
19:08.13Mexaeg, Wait or periodic timer
19:09.04Daaragood news everyone, I'm now 100% sure I don't have an illegitimate child running around!
19:09.33DaaraTook the stupid hoe 18 hours to respond but I now have her word that I don't have a 3 year old kid lul.
19:09.48Mexalllwut
19:10.03MexaYou went with a hooker?
19:10.08Daaralol no
19:10.24DaaraI had $250 taken out of my paycheck for "child support".
19:10.38DaaraI was really confused.
19:10.58MexaSo it's about your ex then, I suppose.
19:11.17DaaraYes, and she lives in San Gabriel Cali now.  And I'm in Nebraska.
19:11.17Mexaand her child?
19:11.25Mexaoh
19:11.27DaaraShe doesn't have a kid.
19:11.34DaaraShe was the only possible one that could have.
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19:12.31DaaraThe rest of my friends with benefits are stilla round and 100% not pregnant or had any kids.
19:12.33MexaI see
19:12.46Mexalol
19:12.58MexaWannabe pimp much :d?
19:14.50Daarahell yea
19:15.15JademusSregBack.
19:18.26DaaraHey Vailreth.
19:18.28JademusSreg"friends with benefits" Oh, that is an awful, agonizing term. Sounds like something someone in primary school would say.
19:18.42Vailrethhmm?
19:18.45Mexa^
19:19.20Mexa(arrow is supposingly cutting right through Vail)
19:19.36Vailreth?
19:19.47MexaNever mind
19:20.05JademusSregHaha
19:20.12DaaraYou still busy?
19:20.16JademusSregIt has a high penetration rating.
19:20.23Vailrethno i have some free time
19:22.57Vailrethstill need that AoE Graviton beam ability?
19:23.58Daarayea
19:24.10DaaraNot like a targeted AoE.
19:24.18DaaraBut one that comes from the Caster Unit
19:24.28Vailrethlike an aura ?
19:24.43Daarastill a channel ability
19:24.59Daarathat is just centered on the caster
19:25.08Vailrethtoggelable?
19:25.20Daaranah that would be too op lol
19:26.20Vailrethok i think i can
19:26.41DaaraSo basically like a 5 yard radius around the caster gets lifted up.
19:27.00Kuekenyou could take the hybrid aoe lift ability from the campaign ;)
19:27.11Daarawait wut
19:27.14Daarai dotn' remember that
19:27.24Kuekenprotoss mission 2
19:27.34Kuekenhybrid gets stronger and gets new abilities
19:27.43Kuekenone of them is lift all units around him
19:27.49Daarareally...
19:27.51Daaralol
19:28.17Vailrethwell my work here is done in that case
19:28.22Kuekendunno if it exactly fits your needs
19:29.14Daarachecking it out
19:29.15DaaraGJ vailreth!
19:30.47Daarayou talking about gravitron prison?
19:31.02Daaracause it's still a targeted 1 unit thing
19:33.17JademusSregOi, what's combat like in Skyrim?
19:33.53Kuekenempty mana, run, repeat
19:34.00Kuekenfrom the looks of it ;)
19:35.05JademusSregI need to know the tactical depth of the game.
19:35.53JademusSregI've never played an Elder Scrolls game, so I know jack shit about it.
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19:36.12Daarai don't see the ability kueken
19:36.20Daaraatleast in the data editor
19:36.29Kuekenlet me see
19:36.45Daaragraviton prison is just a single target
19:37.06Kuekenwell, in the campaign, it targets multiple units
19:38.13Kuekenit might be some trigger workaround used in the campaign
19:38.20Daarait has no cd
19:38.24Daaraand only costs 5 mana
19:38.31Kuekenthat suggests the same
19:38.53Kuekenso probably a trigger is used to order the ability on multiple targets
19:38.56Kueken-.-
19:39.02Daaralikely
19:39.04Kuekenlazy bastards @ blizzard :D
19:39.08Daarahaha
19:39.13DaaraVailreth: you're needed again!
19:45.05AeliaKueken: ddi you get the new ver
19:45.16Kuekenshould be public
19:45.53Kuekenhm
19:46.10KuekenI did action actor + beam hundreds of times now
19:46.18Kuekenand now it doesnt work o_0
19:46.27Kuekenthe editor trolls me
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20:12.08CazMexa, ConvertUnitToUnitGroup is in the built-in library .. but not showing as a valid function in the script.
20:12.45Cazand i cant find the word "convert" anywhere on a find in native.galaxy
20:16.41Cazanyone know how i can convert a unit to a unit group then?
20:16.48Cazfunction seems missing
20:28.51Kuekenwhat about just using unitGroupAdd?
20:29.24Kuekenbtw
20:29.28Kuekenit is called:
20:29.31KuekenlibNtve_gf_ConvertUnitToUnitGroup
20:29.47Vailrethhere i am
20:29.51Kuekenakd is included in the NativeLib
20:29.54Kueken*and
20:29.54JademusSreg=\
20:30.44JademusSregUnitGroupAdd(UnitGroupEmpty(),inUnit);
20:31.01Daarathere you are
20:31.03Daarawelcome back
20:31.08Kuekenthanks
20:31.14Daaraturns out that ability isn't aoe vailreth
20:31.25Vailrethok
20:31.28Daaraso your assistance is needed once again!
20:31.39Kueken:D
20:31.46Kuekenshould be a 10 second job ;)
20:31.57Daarai'm bad with the data editor still
20:32.18Kuekenwell, who isnt
20:32.30JademusSregThe expression above is more efficient than the function in NativeLib.
20:32.39JademusSregThough they use the same approach.
20:32.42Kuekenthought so ;)
20:32.50Kuekenlet be guess
20:32.55Kuekenblizz uses some variable
20:32.59JademusSregYup.
20:33.50Cazkueken, regardless of its full name it does not work. Is not even recognized by the editor when i type it.
20:33.55Kuekensometimes I have the feeling, the data editor is designed to make people be bad at it ;)
20:34.01CazBut i did just make a group and add the unit to it
20:34.05Cazinstead.
20:34.19KuekenCaz: you need to include the nativelib, if you want to use it
20:34.36CazWhy would other functions work, but not that one ...
20:34.37JademusSregNativeLib is included via LibertyLib.
20:34.40Kuekenby adding the line
20:34.41Kuekeninclude "TriggerLibs/NativeLib"
20:34.47Kuekenor a gui trigger
20:34.56Kuekenbecause they are not in the same file
20:35.04Kuekenother functions are in the natives.galaxy
20:35.12Kuekenwhich is included by default
20:35.20Kuekenthis function is in the NativeLib
20:35.29Kuekenwhich hast to be specifically included
20:35.57Cazmakes no sense that they'd no put them in same file >.>
20:36.10JademusSregPardon, I don't actually know what is going on. Caz, you're scripting from the editor, yes?
20:36.20KuekenCaz
20:36.27CazIm adding custom script actions - ya
20:36.33Kuekenthe functions in the nativelib are no natives
20:36.39JademusSregCustom Script Actions?
20:36.41Kuekenthey are build from natives
20:36.48Kuekenso it makes sense to separate them
20:36.54Cazeh forget i said that jade
20:37.01CazI'm adding custom script in the gui
20:37.08Cazso i can ease my way toward scripting
20:37.12JademusSregAlright.
20:37.35CazI dont understand what "natives" are.
20:37.47JademusSregWat?
20:37.53JademusSregI thought that was clear before.
20:37.58JademusSregnatives.gaalxy
20:38.01JademusSreg*galaxy
20:38.16Cazokay.. thats kind of a general statement then.. "the shit we put here shall be called natives!"
20:38.35Cazthey have no defining point to them other than that ? lol
20:38.52Kuekenthey are the basic functions
20:39.02Kuekenthe other ones are built from the natives
20:39.12CazIf you say so... ConvertUnitToUnitGroup is pretty basic to me =p
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20:39.37JademusSregThat's the native API, "native" functions to the language, defined externally to the VM in the engine shit that works with galaxy. Native in the same sense that Native Americans were the indigenous people of the Americas.
20:39.51KuekenxD
20:40.09Kuekenand what would be functions composed of natives for this analogy?
20:40.11Kueken:D
20:40.13JademusSregOr Australian Aborigines were native to Australia.
20:40.22JademusSregHm.
20:40.24JademusSregHispanic.
20:40.39Cazwhite chocolate
20:40.43Kuekenno, that would be cross-compiled with another language xD
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20:41.02JademusSregThe user is the conquistador come to breed with the natives and make sweet mocha baby functions.
20:41.42Cazkueken, include "triggerlibs/nativelib"
20:41.46JademusSregPoint is, the native functions are the foundation upon which all the other shit is built.
20:41.49Cazis at the top of the script page 3 times....
20:42.32Kuekenwell, in this case the function should work, if you use it correctly
20:42.36JademusSregThat's why we had that little talk yesterday about how native function declarations are not called prototypes.
20:42.54Cazya i ignored that part
20:42.59JademusSreg=\
20:43.02Cazit still is a prototype to me...
20:43.10Cazits a function protoype when i look at it
20:43.20Kuekenyou lost me
20:43.25Kuekenwhats a prototype?
20:43.44Caza function prototype is the declaration that tells you its return type, name, and paramaeters
20:43.46Cazbut not the body
20:43.47JademusSregAnd it didn't occur to you to wonder where the function body for those "prototypes" had gone, Caz? =D
20:44.00Cazprototypes dont have function bodies
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20:44.48CazA function prototype in C, Perl or C++ is a declaration of a function that omits the function body but does specify the function's return type, name, arity and argument types. While a function definition specifies what a function does, a function prototype can be thought of as specifying its interface.
20:44.57Cazhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_prototype
20:45.06CazOMITS THE FUNCTION BODY
20:45.07JademusSregYou're getting stuck on terms, when you ought to understand my meaning.
20:45.37CazI understand the terms
20:45.55Kuekenah, kinda like function interfaces in Jass
20:45.59JademusSregOf course a prototype omits the function body, but when one sees a function prototype, naturally, one would assume there is a corresponding function to the prototype.
20:46.09JademusSregSo you didn't wonder where they were?
20:46.33CazWhen i work with header files. or msdn library... i have tons of protypes and documentation given to me
20:46.37Cazand never given a body
20:46.45Cazso no it didnt occur to me to wonder where it is
20:46.57JademusSregHaha.
20:47.11Vailrethok Daara i have a rough ability like you wanted
20:47.11JademusSregGalaxy doesn't have the luxury / burden of header files.
20:47.27Daarak
20:48.02Vailreththere is no beam or art or such right nowm would you like to see the map as is or have me get the art working?
20:48.11Daarai don't want art really
20:48.16Daarai kinda just want it to lift them up
20:48.18JademusSregAnyway, think of the natives as being just as integral to the language as cout is. =D
20:48.23Daaraand have the rocks underneathe them maybe
20:48.40Vailrethrocks?
20:48.41JademusSregThey form the bulk of the API.
20:48.54Cazcout was part of a giant rediculous convoluted mess if u went looking for how it worked
20:49.00Daaraon the graviton beam it has like rocks floating under the models
20:49.04Daarabut that's not a big deal
20:49.10JademusSregIrrelevant.
20:49.27Vailrethok then i will save out and host the map
20:49.32CazBut even so.. i dont really know how integrated cout was.
20:49.33Daarak
20:49.52JademusSregPoor way to go about arguing then. =D
20:49.55CazI just know it required namespace "std" and iostream header
20:50.34JademusSregI prefer to just include natives.galaxy instead of that mess of generated script for the GUI libraries.
20:51.05Daaramy friend code is 565
20:51.06Cazi just wanna know why ConvertUnitToUnitGroup does not highlight when i type it .. and generates error msg :|
20:51.21JademusSreglibNtve_gf_ConvertUnitToUnitGroup ?
20:51.33Cazaccording to kue, yes
20:51.43Cazi was following the name i was given by the dropdowns in built-in folder
20:51.46JademusSregThat's definitely what it is called.
20:51.49Cazit worked for every other function i used
20:51.50JademusSregAnd it isn't highlighted.
20:52.18JademusSregPastebin the map script if you would be so kind.
20:52.33Cazi cant exclude the prefixes ?
20:52.36Vailrethhttp://www.box.net/s/nkcrrbliihrcfzom9z6h
20:52.36DaaraI was thinking of ways to do a ressurection like ability from wc3
20:52.37JademusSregNope.
20:52.41JademusSregHaha
20:52.48Cazbut i didnt need prefixes for any others
20:52.49Cazsec
20:52.50Daarado you think that maybe having a region follow the unit
20:52.55Vailrethsorry
20:52.58JademusSregWhat others?
20:53.01Daaraand adding any units that die in the region to a group would work maybe?
20:53.03Vailrethi meant on a file service
20:53.08CazUnitGroupAdd for example.. has none
20:53.12Vailrethnot in game ..
20:53.24Vailreththat link i to the map
20:53.38Daarayea i understood after reading again lol
20:53.47Vailrethnod
20:54.16Vailrethas far as i know there is no way to make a unit not dead save the revive ability
20:54.57CazJademusSreg, do the natives not have prefixes then?
20:55.04JademusSregNpe
20:55.19JademusSregnative void UnitGroupAdd (unitgroup inGroup, unit inUnit);
20:55.20CazSo .. if the natives.galaxy file i got from you is the "natives"
20:55.23JademusSregThat's a native.
20:55.25Cazhow are people finding the OTHER functions ?
20:55.33Daarai just wonder if you could have them added to a unit group and then whenever you use the ressurect ability it would pick random unit types from the unit group and "revive" them
20:55.36JademusSregThey are in the game mpqs.
20:55.46JademusSregThey are used by GUI libraries.
20:56.22Daarasweet
20:56.25Daarathis should work
20:56.40JademusSregGUI libraries are just big, ugly XML files that contain instructions for which galaxy functions to put in the mapscript.
20:56.46Vailrethi dont think the revive ability can be used that way
20:57.03Daarawell i wouldn't say it revives units
20:57.08Daararather it creates new ones based on what died
20:57.15Vailrethyeah
20:57.30Daarabut you can't have units in a unit group if they are dead can you?
20:57.58Vailrethif you are working on a mod i would suggest using a group or switch effects and validators
20:58.20Cazso if i wanted to find libNtve_gf_ConvertUnitToUnitGroup
20:58.21Cazright now
20:58.24Cazwhere would i go ?
20:58.25Daarai just can't think of a way to do it with the data editor
20:58.39Vailrethlots of validators
20:58.43Daarawell
20:59.05JademusSreghttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/NativeLib.galaxy
20:59.10Daarawhat if i made them gain a behavior like the heroes that stops them from dying
20:59.19Daaraand turned their opacity to 0
20:59.37Daarathen had them die after the behavior times out
21:00.06Cazwell that sure helps.. how did u get that lol
21:00.16Cazeven though its irrelevent since im stealing it from you !
21:00.17JademusSregExtracted it from the patch mpqs.
21:00.49Cazeuh.. that doesnt sound like they wanted us to use them .-.
21:00.50Cazlol
21:01.24JademusSregWell, natives.galaxy is relatively clean and tidy. GUI functions are ugly and inefficient.
21:01.36Daaraeverything in there they pretty much intend us to use
21:01.49Vailrethpersonally i would just wait for HotS and Blizz DotA to see if they add the correct functionality
21:02.32Daarait would be nice
21:19.40Daarathanks a lot vailreth
21:20.03Daarai suppose i should make it so it can't hit structures
21:20.07Daaralol
21:20.22Daaraand then add a damage effect to it
21:20.40Daaraand a cooldown
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21:58.12Cazpfff
21:58.42Vailrethchinchilla
21:58.50CazJademusSreg.. just a random note here, but the function did end up working. But by then i preferred adding the unit to a group. Looked cleaner.
22:00.23Cazi simplified the movement also.
22:00.29CazI did end up going with an offset from current point
22:01.12CazHowever, at some point i need to make sure not to allow new move orders to be queued up while one is in progress.
22:02.24JademusSregHaha
22:03.45Cazwhat's funny =p
22:07.38JademusSregHaha, I am a being of infinite levity.
22:14.35CazWhat's a quick way to rotate a unit? aka: change is facing position
22:14.54Cazit's*
22:15.32Caz*facepalm*
22:15.35CazUnitSetFacing()
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22:23.02CazJade
22:23.21Cazcan an autocast ability be set not to disrupt the caster's movement, or any other current command for that matter?
22:27.15JademusSregYes, I think so.
22:27.29JademusSregIf it's transient.
22:27.47JademusSregThere should be a Transient flag in the flag array.
22:32.17CazKwl, i'll be sure to look for it when i get to the abilities :D
22:32.48CazAtm i was fixing a visual asthetic where the damn thing wouldnt completely turn when u made direction changes.
22:32.55CazSo i told the fucker he was gonna turn before moving -.-
22:32.56JademusSregAh, haha.
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22:33.49lunarDoomso i think i pissed off motive
22:34.08lunarDoomhttp://www.cortexrp.com/forums/general-discussion/how-to-test-and-use-the-unreleased-cortex-2-1-t2594.html
22:34.22lunarDoomi totally pissed him off if he finds out
22:35.14lunarDoomany1 on?
22:35.22lunarDoomlol
22:35.23JademusSregYup.
22:35.46MotiveWait
22:35.46Motiveso
22:35.48Motivelet me get this straight
22:36.03MotiveYou think I'll be pissed off... because you figured out how to get the files from my open source project... that I have a link to on the project's page...?
22:36.35lunarDoomwell the 2.1 commands
22:36.40lunarDoomthat u invented
22:36.59lunarDoomi thought you would be pissed off about people useing them
22:37.13lunarDoombut i want Deliburum to find that post
22:37.23lunarDoomso he can update his map
22:37.25lunarDoomlol
22:37.26MotiveDoesn't really hurt me. The code's still buggy, hence why it's not released. Using it would be a disaster for anyone who wanted to actually make a map.
22:37.33JademusSregHaha.
22:37.43lunarDoomk good
22:37.52lunarDoomi didnt want to piss off my hero
22:37.52CazWhen i was on the cortex map, i enjoyed @kill 'ing my friend's units
22:38.01lunarDoom:)
22:38.26lunarDoomalright motive ima pm you the rest
22:38.45JademusSregI have an even more insidious approach to trolling.
22:39.09JademusSregBut it would spoil it to share.
22:39.15JademusSregMotive has seen it.
22:39.23MotiveOn a lighter note,
22:39.26JademusSregMany laughs were had.
22:39.36Motivehas anyone here installed FreeBSD 8 w/ software raid 1 over iKVM?
22:39.41MotiveIt's been giving me problems all day :(
22:39.47JademusSregHm, nope. Sorry.
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22:40.06MotiveWell, brb to keep working on that later. :(
22:40.56CazMotive is 50% of what i rarely have
22:41.03CazMotiv - ation
22:41.12JademusSregBaduntsss
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22:42.32Vailrethboo his boo
22:42.35Vailrethhiss
22:45.02lunarDoomok can someone help me, the problem is that the previwer how you can create Scenes.
22:45.14lunarDoomidk what the scenes do
22:45.23JademusSregNothing useful of which I am aware.
22:45.33Vailrethyeah
22:45.45lunarDoomi wanna attach models together in the previwer and save it as 1 model
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22:46.00Vailrethit donna work that way lad
22:46.11DemoIs there a way to pull point names into the trigger editor, so I don't have to set a million points to variables?
22:46.54Demoi.e. I have a point named B1E1 I want that to be saved to variable BattleFeild Enemy[1][1]
22:47.03lunarDoomi mean you can attach the models together modifiy the animations and even rename the models its just you cant save the conjoined models as 1 model
22:47.05Demobut I want it to do it for me
22:47.17JademusSregWhat's the distribution of the points?
22:47.44DemoWhat's creating them? or what do you mean...
22:47.47DemoThey
22:47.52DemoThey're already on the map
22:48.02JademusSregHow are they distributed, though?
22:48.15DemoI'm not sure what you mean
22:48.21JademusSregWhat pattern?
22:48.23JademusSregLike a grid?
22:48.28DemoTriangle :/
22:48.39DemoScreenshot inc
22:49.00JademusSregSounds simple enough. So long as there is a pattern for which one may find an expression.
22:49.23Demohttp://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7783/terrain001v.jpg
22:49.41JademusSregAnd how many of those points are there?
22:49.45Demo12
22:49.51Demo6 for the enemies
22:49.58Demo6 for the friendly units
22:50.29JademusSregEither you should generate them via trigger in a function that allocates them to arrays automatically or you have to do it the long, tedious way.
22:50.45DemoYeah that's what I was thinking
22:50.57DemoJust get the coordinates, and have them generated mathematically
22:51.04JademusSregYes.
22:51.16Demoand just make sure that the battlefields are specific distances from one another
22:51.23JademusSregOr.
22:51.31JademusSregMake the generation function generic enough.
22:51.59DemoYeah
22:52.05DemoI'm not sure if I follow
22:52.17Demowhat do you mean generic enough :) lol
22:52.45JademusSregImagine instead of making a very specific function you make a generic one like GenerateTrianglePoints()
22:53.04Demoyeah
22:53.05JademusSregAsk what are the meaningful proprties of a triangle in 2D space.
22:53.26DemoI think I have it
22:53.46DemoThere are cameras for every battlefield, I'll just tie the points to being created around every camera
22:54.09DemoThe cameras are already saved in an array so it should be easy
22:54.13JademusSregIt would need to take either a center and a rotation argument assuming its an equilateral trianlge, or you give it three points. And of course instruct it on how to fill the interior.
22:54.48JademusSregBut I'm sure there are other ways.
22:55.12DemoYeah, I am just going to use coordinates for each point based on the x/y of the camera
22:55.26DemoSince the points are in such exact spots anyways
22:55.30JademusSreg=D
22:55.55MotiveThank God
22:56.02JademusSreg?
22:56.10MotiveHe's gone
22:56.10MotiveLol
22:56.12MotiveI faked AFK
22:56.16JademusSregHahaha
22:56.16DemoSure it'll take a bit more time, but It'll work
22:56.17Demobrb
22:56.27Motive[16:40] <lunarDoom> anyway you are my hero motive
22:56.28Motive[16:55] <lunarDoom> your a god always remeber that
22:56.30Motivehe was PMing me
22:56.35MotiveI'm a 20-yr old SC2 map maker. jeez
22:56.36JademusSregCreepy.
22:56.37MotiveYeah
22:59.01JademusSregFunny.
22:59.25JademusSregThe irc logs are only one day behind.
22:59.32JademusSregPretty throrough.
22:59.36JademusSreg*thorough
23:00.03JademusSreghttp://ibot.rikers.org/%23sc2mapster/20111112.html.gz
23:00.12JademusSreg=D
23:00.19Motive:O
23:02.13Cazdaw, jade and me talkin. Locked in virtual eternity.
23:02.23JademusSreg<3
23:02.29Caz<3
23:02.36MotiveHey, I was there too
23:02.40MotiveI checked
23:02.42JademusSreg<3
23:02.45Caz<3
23:02.45Motive<3
23:02.45JademusSreg++
23:02.50Motive<3++
23:02.51Caz++<3
23:02.56JademusSregHaha
23:03.00JademusSregPrecrement
23:03.01Cazmine happens before both of urs, bitches
23:03.02Motive:D
23:03.12Motivewell
23:03.15MotiveGalaxy can't do either of ours
23:03.15Motiveso
23:03.17Motivewe all lose
23:03.23JademusSreg<3+=1
23:03.23Cazhmph.. some programmers we are.. not one of us put a semicolon
23:03.37MotiveHow do you know it wasn't in a loop?
23:03.41JademusSregIt's not necesarily  a C family expression.
23:03.49JademusSregCould be Python.
23:03.51JademusSregHaha
23:03.56Cazmine is always a c family expression
23:03.59Caz>:|
23:04.02JademusSregOf course. Haha
23:04.29Cazwhen i tutored C++, my email was e_minus_1 .... not very many people got the joke.
23:04.37CazC+1 = D = E-1
23:04.47JademusSregbrb
23:07.34MotiveI missed the first few episodes of Community this season
23:07.35MotiveGod help me
23:09.38JademusSregBack. I didn't.
23:09.39JademusSregHaha
23:09.48JademusSregEZTV
23:09.55MotiveWell I'm watching what I can on Hulu now
23:09.55MotiveLol
23:10.05JademusSregFree or Paid?
23:10.32MotivePaid
23:10.39JademusSregAh, cool.
23:10.58JademusSregHulu isn't in our budget, and it's not comprehensive enough.
23:11.11MotiveIt's not in mine either. I forgot to cancel it
23:11.11MotiveLol
23:11.20MotiveI agree though, it could offer more
23:11.35JademusSregBetween Netflix and EZTV torrents, I have prettym uch all the movies and television I could want.
23:11.46MotiveI cancelled Netflix
23:11.46MotivexD
23:11.57JademusSregWe did too after the price hike.
23:12.05JademusSregOr rather, the service split.
23:12.10JademusSregTo be more accurate. =D
23:12.24MotiveI don't want to pay two services for TV online. It just seems silly
23:12.48JademusSregBut after we cancelled cable television, we switched back to Netflix.
23:13.07MotiveOh yeah, if I didn't have regular TV, I'd sign back up
23:13.39JademusSregSaves us like $50 monthly expense.
23:14.03MotiveIt adds up :)
23:14.24JademusSregCable television is mostly crap, so why should I pay to access so much of it? =D
23:14.59MotiveI hate how Comcast makes you bundle TV+Internet for a reasonable price that's not shitty service
23:15.00Motive:/
23:15.38JademusSregHaha, same. I actually took their internet service, though.
23:16.19MotiveHooray for not having a choice!
23:16.20Motive:(
23:16.38JademusSregYou'd be surprised, or not, how hard they push you to bundle. "Are you sure you don't want our cable teleivison and internet? ARE YOU SURE?!"
23:16.54MotiveOh yeah, I just signed up last week
23:16.58MotiveI had my order all setup, paid for
23:17.01Motive"ARE YOUREALLY SURE?"
23:17.07Motive"GREAT DEAL, SAVE $520 YEARLY"
23:17.10JademusSregHaha
23:17.11Motive"it only costs 100/mo more!"
23:17.15Motive"BUT YOU SAVE MAN, YOU SAVE!"
23:17.20JademusSregAhaha
23:18.09JademusSregUpselling is a drag for everyone except executives who profit from the essentially statistical success of such initiatives.
23:18.47MotiveSo sad :(
23:20.14JademusSregI've been in a few positions that required employees upsell. Dreadful.
23:20.50Motive:(
23:21.20JademusSregCustomers hate the inconvenience of it, and I hate to inconvenience them and disrupt my stellar customer service. =D
23:21.48MotiveThe worst part is the all caps wasn't even exaggeration
23:21.52MotiveI was ordering online and...
23:21.56Motivemy God, a paragraph, all in caps.
23:22.12JademusSregAlthough apparently it is possible to be too likeable; a complaint was once filed on me for supposedly flirting with someone's wife while he was standing there. Hahaha. Soundsl ike someone was insecure.
23:22.14MotiveI understand it's your job to sell but damn dude, cool down. I can read without the caps.
23:22.21MotiveLOL
23:22.21MotiveYeah
23:22.26MotiveWow
23:22.26MotiveLOL
23:22.32JademusSregYeah. Caps and color are the worst.
23:26.20JademusSregOh goodness, the logs are more comprehensive than I expected; apparently all the way back to 2009.
23:26.49MotiveGod damn. Lol
23:27.19JademusSregHope I haven't said anything incriminating in that time. =D
23:27.31MotiveHey, hey IRC log daemon.
23:27.33MotiveFuck you.
23:27.40MotiveYeah, log that.
23:27.44JademusSregHaha, it's purl.
23:27.49Motiveslaps purl around a bit with a large trout
23:28.11JademusSregpurl, do you respond to messages without the ~ char?
23:28.11purlyes, I respond to messages without the ~ char.
23:28.16Deaodsomeones going to make purl understand what were writing here sometime in the future.
23:28.42JademusSregI'm surprised at the response.
23:29.20*** join/#sc2mapster Caz (ad18996b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.24.153.107)
23:29.27Deaodpurl, are you an IRC bot?
23:30.03Deaodreasonable request - no answer.
23:30.14Motivepurl, I'm going to kill you one day.
23:30.36JademusSregTry it with the ~ char.
23:31.22Deaod~purl, are you an IRC bot?
23:31.56JademusSreg~whois Deaod
23:32.22JademusSregI guess we broke it.
23:32.34JademusSregThis is why we can't have nice things.
23:32.37Deaod~Deaod
23:32.45Deaod:(
23:33.20JademusSregIt's still working.
23:33.24JademusSregIf not slowly.
23:33.39MotiveWell
23:33.42MotiveFuck it, FreeBSD was being a dick
23:33.44Motiveso CentOS it is
23:33.55JademusSreg~whois Deaod
23:33.55purlfrom memory, deaod is a stinky cheese muffin.
23:34.05Deaodwhat the
23:34.15JademusSregHaha
23:34.25Deaodim a muffin?
23:34.38Deaoda stinky cheese one ?
23:34.47Deaodhow come noones told me this before
23:35.46DemoBack, so how do I create a point on the map through triggers, there is no create point action. Do I just have to enter coordinates?
23:35.55Demothen store it
23:36.25Kuekenthere should be a function for it
23:36.28Kuekenlike Point()
23:36.35Kuekenor PointFromXY()
23:36.40Kuekenor similar
23:36.44DeaodPoint(x,y)
23:36.47Demoyeah, sec
23:37.09JademusSreg~whois MindWorX
23:37.09purlextra, extra, read all about it, mindworx is a catastrophically debonair connoisseur of programming and ladies.
23:37.27JademusSregUnexpected.
23:37.31MindWorXIndeed.
23:37.33JademusSregMindy is full of surprises.
23:37.33Kuekenpurl talks with a split tomgue
23:37.40Kueken*tongue
23:37.50DemoThanks Kueken, I just have to save the variable through coordinates
23:38.01Kuekenyep ;)
23:48.31Dustinsup guys
23:49.29DemoJademusSreg - http://pastebin.com/BBxM7fB3
23:49.40DemoI afked quite a while, that seems sufficient
23:51.21JademusSregNice enough. I would have used an iterative process of some sort, but that accomplishes your ends.
23:58.52Motiveomg new fringe episodes, too
23:58.57Motivedamn I have a lot of catching up to do
23:58.58Motiveand so little time.

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