| 00:20.56 | Saeris1 | yo xara, was it you who said they wanted to go to gnomon? |
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| 01:17.31 | XenoX101 | hey |
| 01:17.45 | XenoX101 | can anyone here add team colour to a unit for me? |
| 01:17.54 | XenoX101 | or the potential for team colour? :( |
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| 01:22.00 | A1win | any idea how to change mineral field model variation based on the amount of life it has left? |
| 01:22.38 | XenoX101 | dont know probably events |
| 01:22.45 | XenoX101 | one of the terms |
| 01:23.03 | A1win | I'm trying to but it seems I need to add "unit health between x and y" validators and not sure why they aren't working x.x |
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| 01:30.11 | A1win | yay it works now |
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| 01:34.58 | A1win | or not x_X |
| 01:35.33 | A1win | trigger time, I need to catch the damaged event anyway |
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| 02:00.08 | XenoX101 | hey I have a question |
| 02:00.16 | XenoX101 | with spectators on a map |
| 02:00.38 | XenoX101 | erm, let me rephrase |
| 02:00.52 | XenoX101 | when you have a 1v1 map with all players set to "User" |
| 02:01.01 | XenoX101 | does that still keep the 1v1 format? |
| 02:01.08 | XenoX101 | through game variants? |
| 02:01.19 | XenoX101 | because I think I need all those players set to "User" for spectators |
| 02:01.49 | A1win | don't think they should be users |
| 02:01.56 | A1win | at least in melee maps you only have user slots for players |
| 02:02.05 | A1win | but haven't tried with custom maps |
| 02:03.07 | A1win | yay now I have mineral fields that need to be damaged to 75%, 50%, 25%, and 0% to get a bunch of minerals from them, and their model changes respectively to their life percent |
| 02:04.08 | XenoX101 | nice |
| 02:04.15 | XenoX101 | its such a satisfying feeling isnt it |
| 02:04.17 | XenoX101 | when things work |
| 02:04.22 | XenoX101 | part of what I love about mapmaking |
| 02:04.28 | A1win | sent all actor messages with triggers >_< |
| 02:04.35 | XenoX101 | still |
| 02:04.41 | A1win | mmm |
| 02:04.46 | XenoX101 | that continous effort meets reward back and forth |
| 02:04.54 | XenoX101 | that you get from making things piece by piece |
| 02:04.57 | XenoX101 | its pretty nice |
| 02:05.26 | A1win | next I need to spawn them randomly to the map... |
| 02:05.55 | A1win | so I need to change my dynamic environment system so that it doesn't despawn the minerals, so that they retain their health amount |
| 02:08.57 | A1win | well that was easy, one if clause |
| 02:11.42 | A1win | not sure if this is the best approach though, might want to spawn them separately from the map generator to better control where they're placed... |
| 02:26.06 | A1win | ah I think it works just fine |
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| 02:55.53 | XenoX101 | does anyone know how to make a cloaked unit visible or have a visible actor? |
| 02:58.00 | A1win | add a behavior that makes it detected? |
| 02:58.21 | A1win | not sure if that's possible... mmh |
| 02:58.41 | A1win | yeah it is |
| 02:58.52 | A1win | Modification - Modify Flags |
| 03:13.23 | XenoX101 | nah |
| 03:13.24 | XenoX101 | cause |
| 03:13.29 | XenoX101 | it shouldn't be targettable like a cloaked unit |
| 03:13.36 | XenoX101 | it should be cloaked for all extensive purposes |
| 03:13.50 | XenoX101 | I dont want to uncloak the unit |
| 03:13.56 | XenoX101 | but I want an actor when it moves |
| 03:14.08 | A1win | oh |
| 03:14.27 | A1win | dunno then |
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| 03:26.12 | b2zeldafreak | hey do you guys think it would be easier to change the command center into the basic building for my map, or change the supply depot into a command center-ish thing (the model used will be the supply depot) |
| 03:27.19 | A1win | changing the supply depot wouldn't require you to change models, model scales, death models etc. |
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| 03:29.35 | ClayMuffin | Arrr |
| 03:29.40 | b2zeldafreak | and those are somewhat difficult due to animations, etc? with supply depot I would just have to add abilites and stuff right |
| 03:29.50 | ClayMuffin | stupid floating text actor giving me random stupid error |
| 03:31.41 | b2zeldafreak | how can i make the supply depot do the orbital drop from campagin? |
| 03:32.13 | ClayMuffin | i dont know in what circumstance you want it to do it |
| 03:32.17 | A1win | b2zeldafreak, it's not difficult either way, just takes a bit of time |
| 03:32.20 | ClayMuffin | but should be in events |
| 03:32.27 | A1win | no need to change animations or anything |
| 03:32.37 | ClayMuffin | actor creation, play animation |
| 03:32.43 | ClayMuffin | in actor event |
| 03:32.48 | ClayMuffin | unit birth* |
| 03:33.56 | A1win | hehe, I added probe as an alternative unit for players... can give it to people based on battle.net handle |
| 03:34.49 | ClayMuffin | why wont it work god damnit! |
| 03:34.52 | ClayMuffin | D: |
| 03:35.42 | b2zeldafreak | Where is actor creation? |
| 03:43.32 | ClayMuffin | events are something i started to understand a coupel of days ago |
| 03:44.22 | ClayMuffin | go have a look at the depot actor event section |
| 03:44.35 | ClayMuffin | and the orbital drop event |
| 03:44.59 | ClayMuffin | you will see al parameter that set the animation for the drop and in which situation it happen |
| 03:45.53 | b2zeldafreak | where do i need to go in the editor to change that though? |
| 03:47.53 | ClayMuffin | data editor, actor tab, find either the supply unit actor or the orbital drop animation actor and then go inside the "events" section of the actor |
| 03:49.18 | b2zeldafreak | Ok, I found the orbital call-down ability. How can I make an SCV or unit able to build it? |
| 03:50.05 | ClayMuffin | welll, it would be simpler for you to just make an ability that create a unit |
| 03:50.24 | ClayMuffin | and set the created unit actor play the orbital drop animation upon birth |
| 03:50.36 | ClayMuffin | instead of making a "build" ability |
| 03:51.00 | b2zeldafreak | A player needs to be able to build the building |
| 03:51.13 | b2zeldafreak | they start out with a villager who can construct different thing |
| 03:51.18 | A1win | creep tumor also uses a build ability |
| 03:51.19 | ClayMuffin | how can he build something that drop from the sky? |
| 03:51.47 | A1win | build ability is just for the placement stuff |
| 03:51.55 | A1win | there are flags to make the build instant and so on |
| 03:52.14 | A1win | create unit doesn't give you the building placement model |
| 03:52.53 | A1win | I'm not sure which actor's which event to use for actually displaying the drop animation |
| 03:53.27 | A1win | probably just in the structure's "unit construction: complete" event |
| 03:54.34 | b2zeldafreak | sec |
| 03:55.06 | A1win | you might need to edit a lot of the existing events as well |
| 03:55.42 | ClayMuffin | i hate events Xd |
| 03:55.56 | A1win | wouldn't it be easier to just copy the ability from the campaign and give it to the SCV? |
| 03:56.06 | A1win | or not even copy, just use it as it is |
| 03:56.15 | A1win | just give it to the SCV ;p |
| 03:56.22 | b2zeldafreak | If I knew how to then yes :P thats what i'm trying to do |
| 03:56.36 | A1win | go to SCV's abilities and add it there, then add a button |
| 03:56.43 | b2zeldafreak | ahh i didn't add the button |
| 03:56.46 | A1win | to the command card |
| 03:56.52 | ClayMuffin | thats a killer |
| 03:56.54 | A1win | and set it as ability command |
| 03:57.09 | A1win | ...and choose the right ability |
| 03:57.42 | XenoX101 | anyone know how to reset something's rally point after a morph? |
| 03:57.46 | ClayMuffin | o BTW A1, i made played a bit in the floating text actor to make my own item. After hours of struggle, I managed to make it work for my item but now all other item stop showing their floating text for a TOTALLY unknown reason |
| 03:58.10 | ClayMuffin | I played a bit* |
| 03:58.37 | ClayMuffin | I double checked the original item, their are unchanged |
| 03:59.23 | A1win | actors can affect anything, not just the unit the actor is set up for |
| 03:59.30 | A1win | it all depends on what's in the actor events |
| 03:59.53 | ClayMuffin | yea... I already broke a make with a nice actor set to"any" units |
| 04:00.00 | A1win | so you can make one actor that destroys all the floating texts, for example |
| 04:00.07 | ClayMuffin | god damnit it took me ages to find out the broke |
| 04:00.19 | ClayMuffin | i think i found it |
| 04:00.21 | ClayMuffin | ill test |
| 04:00.36 | A1win | I've spent hours in the past couple of days figuring out how some actors work, it is painful <.< |
| 04:00.54 | A1win | the references don't usually make much sense |
| 04:01.01 | A1win | and they aren't explained anywhere |
| 04:02.24 | ClayMuffin | now it broke another way, but floating text are back :D |
| 04:02.28 | ClayMuffin | I hate Galaxy |
| 04:03.58 | A1win | galaxy is the scripting language, the editor is called StarCraft II Editor ;p |
| 04:04.31 | ClayMuffin | n_n |
| 04:04.34 | ClayMuffin | same |
| 04:04.56 | ClayMuffin | This thing is taking quite a lot of commitment only for a hobby |
| 04:05.03 | A1win | hehe |
| 04:05.21 | A1win | but the thing about hobbies is that commitment to them is fun |
| 04:05.33 | A1win | if it isn't, maybe you should get a different hobby ;p |
| 04:05.45 | ClayMuffin | ARGGGGG, I havet events |
| 04:05.50 | ClayMuffin | haters gonna hate |
| 04:06.22 | ClayMuffin | i have no godly clue on why there are links between random stuff that i made |
| 04:06.39 | ClayMuffin | even "explain link" is not helping |
| 04:06.56 | b2zeldafreak | I found like 3 different calldown abilities |
| 04:06.56 | A1win | most weird links are from some actor's events |
| 04:08.43 | ClayMuffin | now i got a link that screw up my text actor, but it come from a sound actor sharing multiple create at affect |
| 04:09.22 | A1win | the links themselves don't do anything, it's just the editor showing you that these things are somehow linked together |
| 04:09.38 | A1win | I mean the displayed links |
| 04:10.35 | b2zeldafreak | Ok cool I have a question |
| 04:10.50 | b2zeldafreak | I got a unit to be able to build one structure, how do I get the sub-menu for more than one thing? |
| 04:11.57 | A1win | sub menu is just a button that's set as a sub menu |
| 04:12.08 | A1win | just look at the default SCV's command card and you'll see |
| 04:12.15 | b2zeldafreak | k |
| 04:12.28 | A1win | it's a button that opens command card 2, and then you have the building buttons in that |
| 04:13.57 | b2zeldafreak | where do i edit the second command card? |
| 04:14.09 | ClayMuffin | look a bit harder |
| 04:14.25 | ClayMuffin | it'S like right in your face |
| 04:14.28 | b2zeldafreak | got it :p |
| 04:17.30 | ClayMuffin | well that suck |
| 04:18.52 | ClayMuffin | i reall can't find why it aint working |
| 04:19.29 | b2zeldafreak | they need to make it easier to test |
| 04:20.19 | ClayMuffin | now all default gas item display wrong floattext |
| 04:20.35 | ClayMuffin | i tripple checked all custom actor involving floating text |
| 04:20.39 | ClayMuffin | nothing is brokenç |
| 04:30.53 | ClayMuffin | should be working now |
| 04:31.09 | ClayMuffin | i reset all actor name link |
| 04:32.56 | ClayMuffin | carp |
| 04:32.58 | ClayMuffin | not working |
| 04:33.06 | ClayMuffin | if only i knew where to look |
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| 04:47.22 | ClayMuffin | crap |
| 04:47.38 | ClayMuffin | i created an actor that is labbelled "campain" |
| 04:47.55 | ClayMuffin | now i can'erase it and it's bugging up everything |
| 04:48.08 | b2zeldafreak | got it |
| 04:48.17 | b2zeldafreak | I had to delete the requirement for the research |
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| 05:02.28 | Frostwind | hi............................. |
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| 06:08.56 | Dustin | hi |
| 06:14.45 | JademusSreg | hI |
| 06:16.29 | Dustin | Sup buddy? |
| 06:16.57 | JademusSreg | Not much. Went to sleep before 8, awoke after midnight. |
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| 06:19.57 | JademusSreg | Since I awoke at noon yesterday, and was awake for ~8 hours then slept ~4, I'm at a sleep debt of 0. |
| 06:23.25 | A1win | D: I have an actual gameplay now |
| 06:23.31 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 06:23.39 | A1win | not sure how far it can go before becoming horribly unbalanced |
| 06:24.40 | A1win | but it's missing features when it goes further so that doesn't matter anyway |
| 06:24.46 | A1win | just needs testing |
| 06:36.22 | JademusSreg | "We realized that if we incentivized things that were inherently boring, people would do them again and again—it showed up in the logs—but that they would secretly hate us." Stewart Butterfield (Flickr, Glitch) on balancing quests |
| 06:45.30 | A1win | hmm just realized I can't repair my SCV in a 1 player game D: |
| 06:45.41 | A1win | might be a problem with 2 or 3 players too |
| 06:46.05 | A1win | maybe give a healing beam for command center |
| 06:46.26 | A1win | or maybe just regeneration for players... |
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| 06:46.40 | A1win | they can repair other players for free anyway |
| 06:47.25 | A1win | I made my repair free so there's no confusion of what resources repairing would cost, and it'd be harder to implement like that too |
| 06:47.52 | JademusSreg | http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/08/rumor-blizzard-lays-off-senior-titan-designer/ |
| 06:47.56 | JademusSreg | Ruhroh |
| 06:48.23 | JademusSreg | A1, you could allow the SCV to repair itself. |
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| 06:48.57 | A1win | mmh |
| 06:49.02 | A1win | true ;p |
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| 09:16.25 | A1win | I need an simpler start to this map, people seems way too confused at first |
| 09:17.36 | A1win | I don't have any tips yet but I'd have to add a lot of them into a short time to explain the basics if I let players to do all these things in the beginning |
| 09:20.04 | JademusSreg | Your map involves building stuff. What's it about though? |
| 09:20.08 | JademusSreg | What's the goal? |
| 09:20.54 | A1win | kill the end boss, of course :o |
| 09:21.58 | A1win | it's semi-non-linear progression |
| 09:22.18 | JademusSreg | End boss? |
| 09:23.26 | A1win | haven't designed it much yet, but the players will be using thors, which they build when they've progressed enough to get all the stuff they need to do that |
| 09:23.55 | A1win | progressing in tech is a very long process |
| 09:38.01 | JademusSreg | How long do you imagine it would take to play the map start to finish, in one sitting? |
| 09:39.31 | A1win | a couple of hours at least |
| 09:40.08 | JademusSreg | And this is something you imagine yourself playing with the other pubbies for hours at a time? |
| 09:41.03 | A1win | I imagine playing it with my friends ;p and hopefully it'll be enjoyable enough for others playing with theirs... might be a bit tough on public games |
| 09:42.10 | JademusSreg | Just trying to understand, make sure you'll enjoy what you're making. =D |
| 09:42.18 | A1win | the fact that resources are in common use by everyone already makes it questionable for public games |
| 09:42.21 | A1win | hehe |
| 09:42.25 | A1win | everyone's being sceptical about this |
| 09:42.57 | A1win | the gameplay is already fun and it wasn't even properly balanced yet |
| 09:43.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 09:44.29 | A1win | mmh why am I getting the wrong center point for my vespene geysers with position of unit x_x |
| 09:44.36 | A1win | it's as if it isn't centering it on the footprint |
| 09:45.19 | A1win | I use a move unit instantly on it, so that might cause some problems... |
| 09:46.19 | A1win | oh |
| 09:46.29 | A1win | it's centering the footprint correctly, but the model isnot centered on the footprint |
| 09:46.37 | A1win | *isn't |
| 09:51.31 | A1win | anyway, if I couldn't imagine myself playing this for hours, I wouldn't have spent 10 days straight making this map =P |
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| 13:40.10 | Ashamed | Good morningz |
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| 15:03.39 | Daara | nice captcha |
| 15:03.58 | Daara | i don't know how to type pure black boxes |
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| 15:32.04 | burneTheGamemast | hello |
| 15:33.01 | burneTheGamemast | fasfg |
| 15:33.47 | Guest70819 | right :( |
| 15:48.50 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 15:54.53 | Guest70819 | wot you doing atm mr photon cycles? |
| 15:54.58 | Guest70819 | another project perhaps? |
| 15:55.14 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:56.05 | Guest70819 | well whats it about? |
| 15:56.32 | Ashamed | its about gay sex |
| 15:56.49 | JademusSreg | I don't talk much about projects that are in shape enough to be demonstrated. |
| 15:56.51 | Ashamed | Jademusreg is a huge advocate on the gay sex movemments |
| 15:56.54 | JademusSreg | But I can say a bit. |
| 15:57.05 | JademusSreg | Ash, right as always. |
| 15:57.12 | Ashamed | i know :P |
| 15:57.29 | Ashamed | well if its that game you were talking about before.. i was kinda right |
| 15:57.38 | Ashamed | besides the "gay" part |
| 15:57.39 | Ashamed | ha |
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| 15:57.55 | Guest70819 | -_- |
| 15:57.55 | JademusSreg | Anyway, it's somewhere between Warhammer 40k tabletop miniatures strategy game, and the Relic RTS based on it called Dawn of War. |
| 15:58.15 | Guest70819 | interesting. So totally different from cycles :) |
| 15:58.27 | JademusSreg | But of course I draw from starcraft lore, because IP wanking is bad. |
| 15:58.32 | JademusSreg | Correct. Totally different. |
| 15:58.51 | JademusSreg | This time around, I'll implement achievements. And underachievements. |
| 16:00.28 | JademusSreg | It's not enough to record exceptional successes. I want to track players' exceptional failures as well. |
| 16:01.18 | Guest70819 | ;/ |
| 16:01.38 | Guest70819 | I wish I could change button icons with catalog fields |
| 16:01.46 | Guest70819 | catalog set I mean |
| 16:01.47 | Guest70819 | :( |
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| 16:10.48 | Zoxc | JademusSreg: That just makes people play intentionally bad. |
| 16:11.32 | Mexa | What, Zoxc is talking? |
| 16:11.45 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:12.11 | JademusSreg | I intend to implement uncerachievements. |
| 16:12.14 | JademusSreg | *under |
| 16:14.09 | Ashamed | like if you are sooo shitty? |
| 16:14.55 | JademusSreg | Yeah. I'd love to track shit like consecutive losses, losing streaks. |
| 16:16.11 | Zoxc | "Kill yourself with your own mines 25 times" - GoldenEye: Source achievement |
| 16:16.21 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:16.24 | JademusSreg | Perfect. |
| 16:16.52 | Ashamed | you almost done? |
| 16:17.00 | Zoxc | "Get killed by a Developer or Beta Tester 50 times" |
| 16:17.55 | JademusSreg | Yes, stuff like that. |
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| 16:18.42 | JademusSreg | The Great Wizzard: Quit 200 battles. |
| 16:18.55 | Zoxc | "Suicide Kill an Opponent with a Grenade" |
| 16:19.07 | Zoxc | That one is kinda mixed |
| 16:21.12 | Ashamed | jade how far is it? |
| 16:22.08 | JademusSreg | Prototyping the core gameplay mechanics. |
| 16:22.19 | JademusSreg | I'm getting it reading for multiplayer tests currently. |
| 16:22.22 | Guest70819 | i wonder why im doing my stupid systems |
| 16:22.30 | Guest70819 | spending days on creating skill tree system for hero survival |
| 16:22.38 | Guest70819 | its feeling more like an rpg after this kinda of skll tree |
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| 16:26.00 | ShlugSalt | hi guys:) |
| 16:26.02 | JademusSreg | Hi Shlug. |
| 16:26.47 | ShlugSalt | anyone familiar with replacing zealot_diffuse.dds? |
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| 16:27.54 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 16:28.23 | ShlugSalt | i think a have a bookmark for a page about it ill go look there first:) |
| 16:28.32 | Ashamed | Jade i will help you test |
| 16:28.40 | Ashamed | not now of course though ;) |
| 16:28.45 | Ashamed | tonight if you need it |
| 16:28.48 | JademusSreg | Replacing textures by id is annoying. It's easier to just change the model, haha. |
| 16:28.54 | JademusSreg | Ash, we'll see. |
| 16:29.38 | Daara | hey jade |
| 16:29.47 | Daara | what's the easiest way to move an ability from one map to another? |
| 16:29.57 | Daara | rather than copy and paste 1 by 1 lol |
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| 16:31.42 | JademusSreg | CnP the xml. |
| 16:31.46 | RndmObjcts | any terrainers looking for some work? :D http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/27075-team-pgz-terrainer-needed/#p3 |
| 16:36.09 | ShlugSalt | hmm hey jademus? is it against the rules to edit the mpq files? |
| 16:37.26 | JademusSreg | Hm? |
| 16:37.46 | JademusSreg | You definitely should not change the game's mpq files. |
| 16:37.47 | Daara | yes it is |
| 16:38.23 | RndmObjcts | any 3D modlers looking for something easy to make? :D http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/art-assets/28022-in-need-of-a-3d-model/ |
| 16:38.23 | JademusSreg | Feel free to extract files from them, but don't modify them. |
| 16:38.46 | Daara | there's realy no reason to modify the mpq files anyway for custom maps |
| 16:39.28 | Daara | i'm trying to remember the name of the WoW guild that modified their mpq files to make a piece of some floor disappear. |
| 16:39.48 | Daara | allowing them to bypass 90% of the raid and go strait to c'thun |
| 16:40.30 | Daara | they are got perma-banned |
| 16:40.52 | ShlugSalt | yeah thats what i thought ... its just so much easyier to replace the .dds files that way instead of import |
| 16:41.19 | Mexa | ShlugSalt, if you tamper with the archives, they will most likely have a checksum fail on battle.net |
| 16:41.29 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 16:41.52 | Daara | you may not notice it but i'm sure your account will get flagged |
| 16:42.13 | ShlugSalt | lol well i know what you mean nd i agree but i had a backup file.. it was just to test to make sure my textures were working |
| 16:42.23 | JademusSreg | Of course, importing to your map via mpq editor is fine. |
| 16:42.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 16:43.16 | ShlugSalt | hmm what? mpq editor? is that in the editor? |
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| 16:43.33 | JademusSreg | Ladik's MPQ Editor |
| 16:43.34 | grenegg | EVERYIONE OPEN UP STARCRAFT AND PLAY BOUNTIES GOOD MAP WHERE MAKING IT POPULAR!!!!!! |
| 16:43.49 | JademusSreg | Wat? |
| 16:43.51 | ShlugSalt | how do i use it to import to......... oh.. i think i see what you mean |
| 16:46.05 | ShlugSalt | so i can use the mpq editor to adjust my saved map? |
| 16:46.12 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 16:46.34 | ShlugSalt | lol now i see that is so much easyier than using the editor lol |
| 16:46.56 | ShlugSalt | thanks again for some wonderful answers :) |
| 16:47.16 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 16:47.29 | ShlugSalt | using the editor to adjust textures and .dds files is a pain |
| 16:49.45 | Mexa | Hmm... something tells me that the 256x256 limit in the editor is there for a purpose |
| 16:50.27 | Mexa | As per say, what if they actually used the optimization to store heightmap and terrain data as buffers sent to the graphics card? |
| 16:51.03 | Mexa | it gives a great performance boost |
| 16:51.29 | Mexa | And it seems to peak at 256x256, but that ofcourse depends on the graphics card. |
| 16:51.41 | Mexa | But in average.. |
| 16:52.11 | soulcarver | eh |
| 16:52.15 | Mexa | *256x256 map limit |
| 16:52.23 | soulcarver | its prolly likely to stay that way |
| 16:52.34 | Mexa | I wasn't implying that they should change it |
| 16:52.41 | A1win | any way to allow a unit to auto-acquire enemies that aren't visible to it? it doesn't have visible required in its weapon target filters, but it isn't attacking |
| 16:52.54 | ShlugSalt | hmm so i see no .dds files in my saved map to replace? |
| 16:52.54 | Mexa | I only attempted to explain why people shouldn't complain |
| 16:53.04 | soulcarver | mhmm |
| 16:53.05 | Mexa | speaking of nothing, really |
| 16:55.09 | Mexa | Hey Jademus, perhaps I'll implement a friciton map and aerodynamic drag today =D |
| 16:55.28 | JademusSreg | Cooo. |
| 16:56.43 | Mexa | I was thinking, actually, to make a tool which could read the terrain texturemasks and output a gridbased array with friction data. |
| 16:57.11 | Mexa | It wouldn't take up much space in galaxy either, as it would be all bytevalues. |
| 16:57.15 | JademusSreg | Could be useful. |
| 16:57.23 | Mexa | Mmm |
| 16:57.51 | Mexa | And much faster both performancewise, and developmenttimewise |
| 16:58.02 | Mexa | (after the tool was ceated, that is) |
| 17:00.32 | JademusSreg | 32 bits per grid point, how many points will be in the grid array? |
| 17:01.12 | Mexa | actually, it would be 1 byte per grid point |
| 17:01.22 | Mexa | at max, 256 x 256 |
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| 17:02.00 | spqr | anyone down for map test? |
| 17:02.17 | JademusSreg | I am skeptical, but you may be right Mexa. |
| 17:02.26 | Mexa | if the global memory limit is 2 097 152 bytes, then this will take up about 65 536 bytes, which is about 0.03% |
| 17:02.59 | Mexa | Depends ofcourse how it would be dealt with internally, I suppose. |
| 17:02.59 | JademusSreg | spqr, busy. What is your map? |
| 17:03.18 | Clord | 256x256 is problem for my RPG map called Battle Forces...as I don't want make everything microscope small (it looks crap with terrain) |
| 17:03.30 | spqr | i made a paintball sim |
| 17:04.16 | spqr | havent been able to stress test physics engine online because ive only gotten at most 6 ppl in a game |
| 17:04.34 | ShlugSalt | ok so i found a page that says to edit the mpq?? so im a little confused can you or can you not??http://starcraft-2-galaxy-editor-tutorials.thehelper.net/tutorials.php?view=147075 |
| 17:05.02 | JademusSreg | Mexa, in wc3, the bool type was 32-bit, and I'm willing to bet the bool implementation in SC2 is 32-bit as well. You should probably tests byte vs int memory usage. |
| 17:05.38 | JademusSreg | The Helper, haha. |
| 17:06.00 | ShlugSalt | if someone has a moment and knows what there doing could you have a look at the site i posted and tell me if that is an ok way to do things? |
| 17:06.30 | Daara | shlug |
| 17:06.36 | ShlugSalt | :) yes? |
| 17:06.42 | Daara | what you're thinking of isn't what they are doing |
| 17:06.45 | Mexa | Hm well, yeah okay |
| 17:06.54 | JademusSreg | People on the helper should not give advice. |
| 17:06.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:07.02 | Daara | you can import edited textures via the import function on the map editor |
| 17:07.22 | Mexa | I should check bools and chars while I'm at it |
| 17:07.23 | Daara | you do not want to edit the mpq file just to change textures |
| 17:07.33 | Mexa | fixed point values are 32bit as well, aren't they? |
| 17:07.45 | ShlugSalt | yeah but i have issues with models.. i did get some terrain to work quite well though |
| 17:07.52 | JademusSreg | Anyway, no matter what anyone ever says ever, do not modify the game's mpqs. If anything, that it s a litmus test of the quality of instruction. |
| 17:07.55 | ShlugSalt | with inport |
| 17:08.03 | JademusSreg | And RandomUser12 fails that test. |
| 17:08.35 | ShlugSalt | lol ok just making sure :) thanks ... why do they post stuff that isnt ok to do lol |
| 17:08.54 | Daara | Because they are stupid? Who knows... |
| 17:09.20 | Daara | You can't even see what his screenshot looks like it's so small. |
| 17:09.21 | JademusSreg | Trolls and lulz, and that's a positive appraisal of their intelligence. |
| 17:09.45 | ShlugSalt | ok well back to trying to import it lol i just cant find where to place it |
| 17:09.57 | ShlugSalt | thanks again:) |
| 17:10.07 | Daara | Search the sc2mapster forums. |
| 17:10.07 | JademusSreg | Anyway, texture setting by id is a pain. There used to be a way to overiride texture assets, but I'm not usre if it works. |
| 17:10.13 | soulcarver | some times you might need to edit the mpq to fix currpupt stuff |
| 17:10.14 | Daara | There are tons of guides. |
| 17:10.26 | Mexa | Jademus, how is it that one can see the amount of space used? |
| 17:10.42 | Mexa | (I recall people have seen it in the editor?) |
| 17:10.42 | JademusSreg | Mexa, I use Process Explorer. |
| 17:10.49 | Mexa | meh, oh |
| 17:11.05 | JademusSreg | I use it instead of a desktop. Haha |
| 17:11.12 | JademusSreg | Anyway, carver, no. |
| 17:11.53 | JademusSreg | If your game mpqs are damaged, you'd probably need to repatch or reinstall the game. |
| 17:12.13 | Daara | repatch generally fixes |
| 17:12.13 | JademusSreg | If your map mpq is damaged, well, modifying maps wityh an mpq editor is finwe. |
| 17:12.16 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:12.23 | Mexa | Hmph |
| 17:12.31 | spqr | booleans in sc2 appear to be... integers |
| 17:12.34 | Mexa | the process explorer? |
| 17:12.41 | Mexa | Do you mean the task manager? |
| 17:12.50 | ShlugSalt | when i opened my map the mpq editor i didnt see and .dds files? |
| 17:12.51 | Daara | only time i've ever had a mpq file get corrupt was with 1 stupid little doodad on WoW in Terrokar forest. |
| 17:13.03 | Daara | Caused me to crash instantly every time i saw it on my screen lol. |
| 17:13.13 | Mexa | spqr, how did you check? |
| 17:13.23 | spqr | used cheatengine and made a map |
| 17:14.01 | Daara | what is it like 0 for false 1 for true? |
| 17:14.06 | spqr | kept toggling bools in the game until i only had one variable left |
| 17:14.17 | spqr | 0 for false, for sure |
| 17:14.25 | JademusSreg | Process Explorer != Task Manager |
| 17:14.30 | spqr | and 1 is definitely true, but im guessing anything works |
| 17:14.31 | JademusSreg | It's more detailed. |
| 17:14.47 | Mexa | Jademus, in the resource monitor? |
| 17:15.16 | JademusSreg | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653 |
| 17:16.11 | Mexa | ah |
| 17:16.37 | JademusSreg | 32-bit bool, as expected. |
| 17:17.09 | JademusSreg | Still gotta check byte type. |
| 17:22.02 | Mexa | I'm not sure what memory set to check, jademus |
| 17:22.13 | spqr | what is this all for, anyway? |
| 17:22.52 | JademusSreg | Mexa wants to make a 2D array of terrain friction values using byte type. |
| 17:23.19 | JademusSreg | But if byte type is the same size as the 32-bit int, he's not saving any memory by using byte type. |
| 17:23.31 | spqr | Oh. and what does he want the range of the values to be? |
| 17:23.56 | Mexa | obviously between byterange should be sufficient:p |
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| 17:24.21 | JademusSreg | As long as you've got Cheat Engine running, check the memory used by a byte type var. |
| 17:24.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:24.39 | spqr | why not use integer and shrink your dimensions by 4x4? |
| 17:24.45 | spqr | ok one sec, gotta make a map for it |
| 17:25.19 | Mexa | If I can make a byte array instead of having to mixture around with bit operators, I'd find that more easy. |
| 17:25.20 | spqr | will byte let me overflow by adding or is sc gonna complain |
| 17:25.34 | Mexa | you can overflow, on a byte |
| 17:25.58 | Mexa | it will always modulus |
| 17:26.09 | Mexa | or modulate, or whatever |
| 17:26.31 | spqr | gah wth? any idea how i can actually modify a byte? |
| 17:26.42 | Mexa | in the cheat engine? |
| 17:26.58 | spqr | no, in sc2... |
| 17:27.03 | spqr | no funciton returns a byte |
| 17:27.06 | Mexa | by using galaxy |
| 17:27.23 | spqr | yeah I am. so i can figure out where in memory a value is with cheat engine |
| 17:27.35 | spqr | but i need to be able to modify that value a lot so I know what to look for |
| 17:28.02 | spqr | (i wanted to do +=1, but thats not gonna happen) |
| 17:28.09 | Mexa | why not |
| 17:28.14 | spqr | doesnt work |
| 17:28.16 | Daara | I'm like that girl in the movie Signs, I can't drink a glass of water that has been sitting out for too long. It's contaminated! |
| 17:28.18 | spqr | theres no function for it |
| 17:28.37 | Mexa | spqr, like I said, write a snippet of galaxy code |
| 17:28.49 | JademusSreg | Daara, I'm like that too, only minus the terrible movie reference. |
| 17:28.56 | Daara | haha |
| 17:29.08 | Mexa | custom script, you know. |
| 17:29.13 | Daara | I pour it out and get some "fresh" water. |
| 17:30.41 | Mexa | Jademus, was this what Deaod meant when he talked about the 32bit instructions limit? |
| 17:30.50 | spqr | k this is gonna take a while... |
| 17:31.04 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 17:31.29 | Mexa | he mentioned something about all instructions to the vm was 32bits |
| 17:31.31 | Mexa | or something |
| 17:31.34 | Mexa | I don't remember |
| 17:33.15 | JademusSreg | I don't recall such a thing. |
| 17:33.21 | JademusSreg | Perhaps I was sleeping. =D |
| 17:34.49 | Mexa | oh well |
| 17:35.50 | Mexa | so, spqr, when you checked the bool before, it resulted in you watching a 32bit variable which was 0 or 1? |
| 17:36.02 | spqr | well I watched for 0, and for change |
| 17:36.11 | spqr | and yeah, 32 bits cuz thats what I guessed it was |
| 17:36.29 | Mexa | You never checked if the bools where stacked though, did you? |
| 17:36.36 | spqr | when I got it down to exactly the number of bools I had made, and made sure it wasnt changing, I figured it was validated |
| 17:36.55 | spqr | well its only gonna check at word aligned spots in memory |
| 17:37.33 | spqr | I made an array of 127 bools and then keept changing all of them and scanning until i had 127 variables remaining |
| 17:37.40 | spqr | its a terrible way to do it, haha |
| 17:37.48 | Mexa | and they all were separate 32bit variables? |
| 17:37.53 | spqr | yes |
| 17:37.58 | Mexa | bah, okay |
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| 17:38.29 | Mexa | feels like a nice optimization library would be handy for galaxy |
| 17:38.40 | Mexa | now when we even have bit operators. |
| 17:38.56 | spqr | well byte appears to be smaller... |
| 17:39.01 | Mexa | oh? |
| 17:39.12 | spqr | I ended up just trying to test how many i could allocate before the compiler would throw a fit |
| 17:39.27 | spqr | idk its not hard proof |
| 17:40.13 | spqr | galaxy wont even let me compile int[751][751], where ase byte[751][751] compiles (but times out when you load the script, anyway) |
| 17:43.37 | spqr | WOW. Ok. This is more insightful. Bool/Byte both cap out around 1300x1300. int/real cap out around 700x700 |
| 17:44.51 | A1win | uff, I can't figure out how to solve this: I need my turrets to be able to attack enemies to range of 2, but I also need their sight radius to be 0.5, so I need to share the enemies' vision for the computer player who owns the turrets, but I also need the players to see the turrets so I share the vision of the turrets and not the player... but I also need the players to see the enemies when they are attacking the turret... I tried giving the turret a ... |
| 17:44.57 | A1win | ... radar behavior but it won't show because its owner doesn't share vision to the players |
| 17:45.21 | A1win | damn restrictions =p |
| 17:46.24 | spqr | And conclusion: bool/byte are 1/4th the size of int/real, so 1byte to 4. |
| 17:46.29 | A1win | if the turret would be allowed to attack targets that are not visible, it'd solve it... but at least it's not auto-acquiring those targets |
| 17:47.23 | Mexa | so |
| 17:47.25 | spqr | a1win, explain who needs to see what again |
| 17:47.32 | Mexa | A bool is now the same size as a byte? |
| 17:47.41 | spqr | yeah, cheatengine fialed me =\ |
| 17:47.50 | spqr | failed me, even |
| 17:48.12 | Mexa | but a bool is not smaller? |
| 17:48.24 | spqr | correct, same size as byte |
| 17:49.18 | JademusSreg | Ah, insightful. |
| 17:49.59 | JademusSreg | So it can be more efficient to use bool and byte over int and fixed. Interesting. |
| 17:50.07 | A1win | mmh |
| 17:50.13 | Mexa | spqr, what about char |
| 17:50.18 | Mexa | could you test that? |
| 17:50.21 | spqr | sure |
| 17:50.28 | Mexa | I suspect it be the same as byte and bool, but still. |
| 17:50.52 | spqr | well, sc2 doesnt have char? |
| 17:51.03 | A1win | turret needs to be able to attack enemy, enemy needs to see turret, player needs to see turret, player needs to see enemy when it's attacking turret or is near the turret, but player is not allowed to see the ground around the turret |
| 17:51.06 | spqr | galaxy* |
| 17:51.55 | spqr | and enemy is controlled by a player? |
| 17:52.04 | A1win | enemy is computer |
| 17:52.19 | A1win | so it has normal vision, that's not an issue |
| 17:52.32 | Mexa | spqr, it has, it's just not never used |
| 17:52.41 | A1win | but can't figure out how to show the enemy to the player without showing the ground it's on =P |
| 17:52.43 | Mexa | And with no support from natives, |
| 17:52.44 | A1win | =p |
| 17:52.48 | Mexa | But test it anyways:p |
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| 17:53.41 | spqr_ | ok so I would make a revealer around the turret |
| 17:53.49 | spqr_ | toggle it on when enemy enters the region |
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| 17:54.00 | A1win | can't show the ground |
| 17:54.26 | spqr_ | so you want... ONLY sight of units? |
| 17:54.31 | A1win | yeah |
| 17:54.41 | spqr_ | I think there is a toggle in data |
| 17:54.41 | spqr_ | sec |
| 17:56.04 | A1win | toggle for what D: |
| 17:56.35 | A1win | this is just a special case anyway, it should only work this way when the player isn't near the turret (then he'll have normal vision) |
| 17:57.11 | spqr_ | Ok, so in the units actor |
| 17:57.26 | spqr_ | you can toggle Fog Visibility |
| 17:57.30 | spqr_ | to 'visible' |
| 17:57.37 | A1win | I tried having a radar behavior on the turret and it worked fine when the turret's owner shared vision with the player, but when only the vision of the turret was shared, it didn't show the radar effect |
| 17:58.08 | spqr_ | idk what to tell you =\ |
| 17:58.12 | A1win | hmm |
| 17:58.26 | spqr_ | i'd try toggling that flag at appropriate times though, it lets a player see the unit through fog |
| 17:58.39 | A1win | was thinking that the enemies would then be visible even when they aren't near the turret, but they are actually burrowed and cloaked most of the time when they aren't near anything... |
| 17:58.43 | A1win | so it might just work |
| 17:59.00 | A1win | without even toggling it on-the-fly |
| 17:59.15 | A1win | don't think it can even be toggled D: |
| 17:59.24 | spqr_ | lol oh |
| 17:59.27 | A1win | at least not by a behavior (units have that flag too, not just their actors) |
| 17:59.31 | spqr_ | send actor message doesnt have anything? |
| 17:59.51 | A1win | didn't check but I think the unit's setting overrides the actor's setting |
| 18:00.31 | A1win | also I'll set it to Dimmed so it looks better in fog of war |
| 18:01.47 | spqr_ | yeah that should be what youre looking for |
| 18:02.24 | b2zeldafreak | How can I order units to move to a point from triggers? |
| 18:02.38 | spqr_ | Issue order to unit |
| 18:02.56 | b2zeldafreak | I can't find the move command in the "Ability Command" part |
| 18:03.37 | A1win | you need to choose "order targeting a point" instead of "order with no target" |
| 18:03.38 | spqr_ | uh |
| 18:03.41 | spqr_ | yeah^ |
| 18:03.58 | b2zeldafreak | ahh |
| 18:04.32 | A1win | mmh wonder why I can see the enemies' status bars while they're in fog of war now D: |
| 18:04.46 | spqr_ | eep |
| 18:04.48 | A1win | didn't think dimmed would show those |
| 18:04.59 | b2zeldafreak | got it |
| 18:05.19 | spqr_ | I dont really know anything about the data editor, sorry man |
| 18:07.37 | b2zeldafreak | How can I change a unit to fly? And how can I make a unit into a building? |
| 18:07.58 | A1win | this map is so full of workarounds that every little change makes me have to change everything again =p |
| 18:07.59 | Clord | great.. arkham city PC version got delayed again |
| 18:08.32 | Clord | that reminds me.. I gotta add more variables to my "Battle Forces" RPG with random battles and four player CO-OP support ^^ |
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| 18:08.46 | Clord | each time I add new item I need to edit loops from many places |
| 18:09.05 | Clord | I should add few variables before it becomes disaster to edit |
| 18:10.00 | Clord | oh and designing interface for all aspect ratios is pain in the ass |
| 18:10.05 | Clord | XD |
| 18:10.23 | Clord | as I don't want need for players to choose or have smaller inventory because their aspect ratio sucks |
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| 18:16.46 | Clord | I'm supposed to now move to next phase with map... aka make it have actual planned story or something... and some real terrain work etc |
| 18:17.02 | Clord | not to mention I gotta make enemies to drop units to put for your army XD |
| 18:19.03 | Clord | it is gonna ignore the logical question about... how battleship fits to your pouch |
| 18:19.18 | Clord | lol |
| 18:21.23 | SPQR | suspension of disbelief |
| 18:21.28 | SPQR | its a game, afterall! |
| 18:22.30 | Clord | indeed :) |
| 18:22.48 | Clord | then to poke fun about the fact that it is not pokemon map |
| 18:22.56 | Clord | even though you can swap your forces during combat |
| 18:22.57 | Clord | XD |
| 18:23.50 | Clord | units retain their experience when swapped... so you can instantly pop-out countering unit and use it to attack |
| 18:26.20 | SPQR | whats your map called? |
| 18:29.56 | SPQR | Has anyone done any AI scripting for sc2? |
| 18:30.23 | A1win | something simple |
| 18:30.33 | A1win | though not in written galaxy, just using the GUI =p |
| 18:30.54 | SPQR | oh, ok. I was just wondering if you use the same scripting alnguage or if there is some different thing |
| 18:32.02 | JademusSreg | It's all galaxy. |
| 18:32.11 | SPQR | gotcha |
| 18:32.11 | Clord | SPQR... Battle Forces |
| 18:32.18 | JademusSreg | Though you could use GUI for AI, I suppose/ |
| 18:32.19 | Clord | alpha version is uploaded to EU and US |
| 18:32.20 | Clord | XD |
| 18:32.27 | SPQR | I'll check it out |
| 18:32.37 | SPQR | Thanks, jade |
| 18:32.39 | Clord | it has really not much terrain work yet even in beginning areas |
| 18:32.46 | JademusSreg | I'm having fun running over units with a tank. Wooo |
| 18:34.06 | Clord | hehe |
| 18:35.24 | Clord | I'm so waiting for HoTS editor |
| 18:35.31 | A1win | bah can't even figure an alternative solution for this x| |
| 18:37.10 | A1win | one thing I could do is sharing vision of the enemy units with the players when they are near the ally structures... somehow |
| 18:40.03 | A1win | meditate on this I will |
| 18:40.36 | Clord | dark side of force, there is |
| 18:40.41 | Clord | XD |
| 18:40.50 | Clord | Yoda's speaking style is priceless |
| 18:41.39 | Mexa_ | gnarpagnarp |
| 18:42.07 | SPQR | clord I just played it. are there enemies besides zerglings? |
| 18:42.45 | SPQR | i liked the fight system but I managed to bug it to take extra turns and get extra units by stacking units on top of other locations |
| 18:42.47 | A1win | waaait what, why did no one tell me that if player A has allied shared vision with player B and player B has enemy shared vision with player C, A can't see C's units D: |
| 18:43.11 | SPQR | =X |
| 18:43.18 | A1win | well this should help =p |
| 18:43.34 | A1win | I was like 99% percent sure it wouldn't work but didn't have any other idea so I did |
| 18:43.38 | A1win | <.< |
| 18:44.40 | A1win | err... though not sure if it's working like it should |
| 18:45.30 | Clord | SPQR.... yeah there is enemies besides the zerglings |
| 18:45.35 | Clord | in fact I have randomization system per area already in |
| 18:45.41 | Clord | but starter zone has just zerglings XD |
| 18:45.50 | SPQR | oh ok haha |
| 18:45.56 | Clord | other enemy types are more equal footing when in the same level :) |
| 18:46.20 | Clord | going to north... it is still mostly zerglings but sometimes it might random hydralisk(s) to mix |
| 18:46.27 | Clord | there is also one boss enemy |
| 18:46.31 | Clord | first party to kill it |
| 18:46.35 | Clord | makes it disappear |
| 18:46.52 | Clord | there will be additional rewards for first killers later ^^ |
| 18:47.25 | A1win | oh yeah, the radar isn't showing up now because the ally player can see the enemy and there's no need for the radar >_< |
| 18:47.26 | Clord | your personal progress is saved per battle victory or losing |
| 18:49.11 | Clord | also... level difference between destroyed unit and unit who destroyed that unit affects to chance of loot ^^ |
| 18:51.13 | ShlugSalt | hmm texture select by id is a pain lol |
| 18:51.52 | Clord | oh and SPQR... medic's healing is not supposed to at least for now to make the Medic lose his turn... that's why he has that damn weak weapon =) |
| 18:53.21 | A1win | hmm |
| 18:53.48 | A1win | best plan ever: radar with radius of 500 for the player units |
| 18:54.04 | SPQR | ahha win. |
| 18:54.24 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:54.41 | ShlugSalt | we |
| 18:54.51 | ShlugSalt | well seeya later guys:)* |
| 18:54.55 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 18:55.27 | A1win | if I have cloaked: excluded in the filters, will it show detected cloaked units on the radar? |
| 18:57.04 | A1win | turns out not |
| 19:00.12 | A1win | well this is good enough for now |
| 19:12.53 | SPQR | anyone up for map test? |
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| 19:15.06 | JademusSreg | Testing what? |
| 19:15.12 | SPQR | my paintball sim |
| 19:16.07 | SPQR | (it's not like wc3 and sc1) |
| 19:16.18 | JademusSreg | Ah. Give me a minute. |
| 19:16.25 | JademusSreg | Is it uploaded? NA? |
| 19:16.38 | SPQR | yeah |
| 19:16.47 | SPQR | i'm hosting a game |
| 19:18.05 | b2zeldafreak | how can i make marines able to attack in any direction without turning? |
| 19:18.44 | A1win | setting weapon arc to 360 might do it |
| 19:19.02 | JademusSreg | SPQR, I'm getting on SC2. |
| 19:19.05 | SPQR | thanks! |
| 19:19.19 | SPQR | search Physics Paintball, it should probably put you in my game |
| 19:19.20 | JademusSreg | Oh look, patch 1.4.2 |
| 19:19.29 | SPQR | oh, yeah. haha see you in a bit? |
| 19:19.34 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 19:20.18 | Daara | my god |
| 19:20.27 | Daara | the amount of work to make a devotion aura is retarded |
| 19:20.30 | Daara | with 3 levels |
| 19:20.31 | JademusSreg | "Fixed an issue which prevented footprints from being edited in the Footprint Editor." |
| 19:20.42 | JademusSreg | Only took a year and a half, but yes, nice. |
| 19:20.56 | Daara | lol |
| 19:21.47 | Kueken | did someone test it? |
| 19:22.01 | JademusSreg | I will after I help SP test. |
| 19:22.03 | Kueken | they already announced they fixed the footprint editor once |
| 19:22.36 | Kueken | didn't stop him from not working |
| 19:23.27 | b2zeldafreak | that fixed it jademus |
| 19:23.28 | Daara | 1 model, 1 actor, 1 dummy ability, 6 behaviors, 6 effects, 4 buttons, 4 requirements, |
| 19:23.30 | b2zeldafreak | thanks |
| 19:23.47 | Daara | for 1 spell with 3 levels -_- |
| 19:23.54 | SPQR | haha wow |
| 19:24.04 | Daara | simple spell too |
| 19:24.12 | Daara | 2, 4, 6 armor aura |
| 19:25.38 | b2zeldafreak | how do i turn off fog of war? |
| 19:25.46 | b2zeldafreak | nvm i rememebr |
| 19:26.48 | Kueken | 4 buttons 4 requirements? |
| 19:27.11 | Kueken | well |
| 19:27.34 | Kueken | you could probably turn it down a little by using catalog triggers |
| 19:27.43 | Daara | not a big deal really |
| 19:28.01 | Daara | it's not hard to make |
| 19:28.47 | Kueken | I know |
| 19:29.03 | Kueken | but I had spells with 10 levels in my map :D |
| 19:29.37 | SPQR | Thanks a lot |
| 19:29.54 | Kueken | if I could save 3 objects per level, I did it :D |
| 19:30.15 | JademusSreg | I think it is viable, it just needs to be tightened up. |
| 19:30.42 | SPQR | what should I work on first |
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| 19:31.26 | JademusSreg | The shop is kind of a mess. I ought to be able to look at what's available all on one screen. Time spent navigating menus is time spent not engaging the game. |
| 19:32.04 | SPQR | ok, I'll do my best to condense that to one page |
| 19:33.25 | JademusSreg | I like the initiative taken in the custom UI, but there's nothing to frame the interface, to give it context. It's not the highest priority, but when you have the opportunity, you may want to make some custom UI images and use em to frame UI elements. |
| 19:34.12 | SPQR | do I do that as background images for dialog items? |
| 19:34.27 | SPQR | or do you mean |
| 19:34.31 | SPQR | in the game |
| 19:34.36 | JademusSreg | Naw. Notice your buttons? You can create images from the layout files. |
| 19:34.52 | JademusSreg | So you could create an image behind them as a child of the container. |
| 19:35.13 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/HHeSAGmH |
| 19:35.16 | SPQR | Ok.. layout files. gotta go read tutorials on that |
| 19:35.52 | JademusSreg | For example, <Frame type="Image" name="ChatDisplayBorder"> inside <Frame type="MessageDisplay" name="GameUI/UIContainer/FullscreenUpperContainer/ChatDisplay" file="GameUI"> |
| 19:36.23 | JademusSreg | ChatDisplayBorder is a custom Image UI element inside the ChatDisplay element. |
| 19:36.50 | SPQR | I take it mapster will have some post somewhere on how to make these things |
| 19:36.54 | JademusSreg | Yup |
| 19:37.16 | JademusSreg | Helral has made a few tutorials about UI layout editing, iirc. |
| 19:37.36 | SPQR | OK, I will be sure to check them out. |
| 19:38.00 | JademusSreg | There |
| 19:38.26 | JademusSreg | There's not much risk or wager to the game. |
| 19:38.42 | JademusSreg | That you can see your enemies a screen away removes all tension. |
| 19:39.21 | SPQR | Ive played around with sight options before... like having fog of war and xel'naga towers to take in the middle |
| 19:41.18 | SPQR | i'll work on that. most of my time was spent getting the collisions and trajectories fast enough for bnet. gotta work on the fun part, now. thanks again, Jade |
| 19:41.25 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
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| 20:01.35 | JademusSreg | Anyone else have a bug where the pathing mesh is no longer visible? |
| 20:02.55 | Frostwind | hi.......................... |
| 20:03.19 | JademusSreg | Ah, there we go. |
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| 20:03.48 | A1win | mm had it once, how'd you fix it? D: |
| 20:03.55 | Frostwind | is very bored |
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| 20:04.22 | JademusSreg | Turns out one can't just enable the mesh via Ctrl Shift H, one also has to enable the layer with Shift H. |
| 20:04.46 | A1win | ah :> |
| 20:04.59 | LunarDoom | so |
| 20:05.08 | LunarDoom | is the creator of hero attack here |
| 20:05.09 | LunarDoom | ? |
| 20:05.20 | JademusSreg | Never heard of it. |
| 20:06.30 | LunarDoom | also how do i take one mod that has the unit i want set up in it into my map without depencies? |
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| 20:07.34 | LunarDoom | ? |
| 20:09.04 | Frostwind | anyone wanna start a SC2 project with me? |
| 20:09.51 | LunarDoom | like i want to take the uberlisk and put him into my map without the mod being involed |
| 20:10.08 | LunarDoom | and without the hassle of recreateing it |
| 20:11.22 | LunarDoom | any1? |
| 20:12.26 | A1win | instead of searching for an answer, wouldn't it be faster to just recreate it? |
| 20:13.17 | LunarDoom | not when i want 10 different Heros |
| 20:13.24 | Daara | if you don't want the dependancy or mod |
| 20:13.28 | Daara | you need to copy and past |
| 20:13.31 | Daara | paste* |
| 20:13.39 | Daara | i assume |
| 20:15.21 | LunarDoom | well i mean like how do i copy actors from 1 map to another |
| 20:15.23 | LunarDoom | ? |
| 20:15.52 | JademusSreg | Just extract all the data files with an mpq editor and transplant them. |
| 20:19.31 | Daara | sweet |
| 20:19.39 | Daara | got the devotion aura model to work :D |
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| 20:25.35 | ________________ | In terms of AI effectiveness & CPU resources used, should I create an AI that remembers all units that it has seen then respond later (similar to a human player) or make the AI respond in real time as units come into vision? |
| 20:26.42 | A1win | I suppose it depends on what you are planning to do with the data in either case :p |
| 20:27.58 | A1win | and if you only take the currently visible units into account, the AI can't make any strategic decisions based on units it has seen in the past |
| 20:28.34 | A1win | seems like those two are completely different from each other |
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| 20:29.10 | A1win | or the 2nd is a sub-case of the first one |
| 20:29.23 | UloseTheGame | hey everyone |
| 20:29.34 | UloseTheGame | so im on the TL irc |
| 20:29.40 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:29.54 | UloseTheGame | and ALL THEY TALK ABOUT is league :\ |
| 20:30.53 | A1win | what else should they talk about? D: |
| 20:30.56 | ________________ | ofc thats all they talk about |
| 20:31.07 | ________________ | and a1win, i c what you're saying... but then |
| 20:31.21 | ________________ | if i have the AI 'remember' a mass of units over time itl eat resources and laag the map |
| 20:31.26 | JademusSreg | Why would TL discuss anything else? |
| 20:31.30 | ________________ | ^ |
| 20:32.04 | A1win | it will only lag the map if you don't limit the processing enough |
| 20:34.03 | ________________ | well |
| 20:34.20 | ________________ | my AI will be pulling complex movements impossible for humans that require high APM at any one time |
| 20:34.26 | ________________ | for example advanced marine splitting |
| 20:34.41 | A1win | what does that got to do with remembering units then D: |
| 20:34.57 | ________________ | OH, duh |
| 20:35.13 | ________________ | it won't cause any problem as long as everything isn't recalled all at once |
| 20:35.16 | ________________ | gotcha |
| 20:35.36 | A1win | ._o |
| 20:36.11 | ________________ | Damn I was hoping to be lazy and not have the comp remember things but i guess I gotta do that 2 D: |
| 20:36.58 | Ashamed | ahhhh |
| 20:37.12 | A1win | sleep time |
| 20:37.21 | ________________ | yay |
| 20:37.45 | Daara | hey jade |
| 20:37.59 | Daara | do you know if you can do a level up effect purely through data? |
| 20:38.36 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 20:38.53 | Daara | when my hero goes from 1 to 2, 2 to 3 etc. |
| 20:38.58 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 20:39.00 | Daara | like an animation actor |
| 20:40.37 | JademusSreg | I don't see any way for an actor event to detect it. |
| 20:41.07 | Daara | guess it's going through triggers |
| 20:41.17 | Daara | it's not like it should run very often |
| 20:41.17 | Daara | anyway |
| 20:41.32 | JademusSreg | But if you have a behavior with a requirement corresponding to veterancy level, you could do it. |
| 20:41.53 | JademusSreg | Seems like triggering it would be simpler. |
| 20:42.09 | Daara | yea |
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| 21:03.14 | Daara | i wonder why some wow spells work and other just don't -_- |
| 21:08.52 | b2zeldafreak | probably has to do with how they are made in WoW |
| 21:10.47 | LunarDoom | is there any way so far to import or export particles and ribons in SC2 |
| 21:10.48 | LunarDoom | ? |
| 21:10.56 | Frostwind | anyone wanna start a SC2 project with me? |
| 21:12.15 | JademusSreg | Lunar, not until the art tools are released. |
| 21:12.26 | JademusSreg | The community made exporter is kinda crappy. |
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| 21:13.18 | LunarDoom | what about the wow models |
| 21:13.43 | LunarDoom | can u export a wow model with particles into sc2 |
| 21:13.44 | LunarDoom | ? |
| 21:15.13 | Anonymous_ | How do i switch between maps so I can figure out these trigger |
| 21:15.13 | Anonymous_ | ? |
| 21:16.06 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 21:16.36 | Frostwind | anyone wanna start a SC2 project with me? |
| 21:18.45 | Daara | You've been asking for a month bro. |
| 21:19.10 | Frostwind | so |
| 21:19.16 | Frostwind | I still need someone |
| 21:20.23 | SPQR | what kinda project |
| 21:20.29 | SPQR | oops. |
| 21:20.34 | Daara | He wants to make a huge RPG. |
| 21:20.42 | Daara | but isn't willing to start without someone to help him |
| 21:20.52 | JademusSreg | He has no idea what he wants to do. |
| 21:20.59 | SPQR | oh hahahaha |
| 21:21.09 | Daara | he asks like 100x a day |
| 21:21.12 | Daara | every day |
| 21:21.17 | SPQR | Gotcha |
| 21:21.34 | Daara | damn |
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| 21:21.39 | Daara | it's missing particles! |
| 21:21.43 | Daara | fail! |
| 21:21.46 | Frostwind | is very bored |
| 21:21.47 | SPQR | Anyone wanna start a massive RPG with me? |
| 21:22.04 | Daara | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.15 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:27.44 | Daara | sure spqr, i got a bunch of models we can use |
| 21:31.03 | Frostwind | is very bored because he has no project to work on |
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