| 00:00.54 | soulcarver | i think you would want to create the actor when the search effect is used |
| 00:02.16 | Stewox | yes |
| 00:02.30 | Stewox | i would go for the gfx actor to see first |
| 00:02.38 | Stewox | that should be easiest |
| 00:03.08 | Stewox | and also ... easier for you to work with :) |
| 00:03.58 | Stewox | okay ... so where do i put the actor |
| 00:06.55 | Stewox | soulcarver can you tell me ... what should i do in the actor to make it a field |
| 00:07.02 | Stewox | never worked with actors a lot |
| 00:08.34 | Stewox | why private channel ? |
| 00:09.06 | Stewox | vailreth |
| 00:09.08 | Stewox | here ? |
| 00:09.23 | Vailreth | i am here |
| 00:09.28 | Stewox | cool |
| 00:09.41 | Stewox | do you remember when we talked somethign about that aura ? |
| 00:09.56 | Vailreth | yes |
| 00:10.10 | Stewox | well ... kind of works now .... with you idea that weapon should be disabled as default |
| 00:10.19 | Stewox | but the Search Area doesn't work right still |
| 00:10.38 | Stewox | i would like to add some GFX indication to actually see when the aura is happening and how large it is |
| 00:10.58 | Vailreth | usee |
| 00:11.03 | Vailreth | i see |
| 00:11.04 | Stewox | some actor with some kind of "guardian shield" should be added to see it |
| 00:13.32 | Stewox | you working on something vail ? |
| 00:13.55 | Stewox | well ... okay if you're busy |
| 00:14.42 | Stewox | got soulcarver back to help on that ... sorry guys im new to this blizzard editing and kind of need step-by-step help :p |
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| 00:20.14 | Vailreth | sorry yes busy |
| 00:21.14 | Frostwind | hi |
| 00:24.31 | Stewox | deaod |
| 00:24.36 | Stewox | here ? |
| 00:28.07 | Stewox | a1win |
| 00:28.09 | Stewox | aelia |
| 00:28.11 | Stewox | ahli |
| 00:28.13 | Stewox | daara |
| 00:28.15 | Stewox | dustin |
| 00:28.21 | Stewox | kueken |
| 00:28.25 | Stewox | skizot |
| 00:28.36 | Dustin | Hi |
| 00:28.42 | Stewox | hey |
| 00:28.52 | Stewox | you got a second on some data stuff ? |
| 00:28.56 | Ahli | no |
| 00:29.15 | Ahli | sry |
| 00:29.22 | Stewox | i need to create an actor ... so it fires on the Aura |
| 00:29.33 | Stewox | so i can see the Search Area of it for debug |
| 00:29.46 | Stewox | how to create actor and make it so it has GFX effect |
| 00:29.52 | Stewox | never worked with actors |
| 00:30.38 | Ahli | actors can have models. events control when the actor is created and destroyed... |
| 00:30.47 | Stewox | yes |
| 00:30.52 | Stewox | i created a new actor |
| 00:30.58 | Stewox | needed to be model |
| 00:31.05 | Stewox | now i don't know what to make it BASED ON: |
| 00:31.11 | Stewox | Model Addition is default |
| 00:31.22 | Stewox | is it correct for what im trying to do ? |
| 00:32.08 | Stewox | i only need freaking line or whatever so i can see the freaking are off effect and how large it is where the heck it is on the battlefield |
| 00:32.27 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 00:32.32 | Ahli | model animation persistent... that's what I would use |
| 00:32.44 | Stewox | cool |
| 00:33.07 | Stewox | ahli |
| 00:33.10 | Stewox | it doesn't exist |
| 00:33.21 | Stewox | closes is continious" |
| 00:33.39 | Stewox | style continious |
| 00:34.13 | Ahli | model -> type -> something with persistent in the name |
| 00:34.41 | Ahli | I only translate stuff that I have to remember how these were called. So my imagination and translation might be off. |
| 00:35.11 | Stewox | no such thing |
| 00:35.20 | Stewox | continious means the same anyways |
| 00:35.29 | Stewox | it's means it's not one-shot |
| 00:36.38 | Ahli | in general it's good to look at stuff that blizzard made that is equal to understand stuff |
| 00:39.54 | Stewox | which effect should i choose for the event |
| 00:39.58 | Stewox | the apply effect ? |
| 00:40.43 | Stewox | persistent i think |
| 00:42.34 | Stewox | ahli |
| 00:42.40 | Stewox | what kind of model should i use for this |
| 00:42.47 | Stewox | expandable model ? |
| 00:42.53 | Stewox | so it covers the whole aura |
| 00:42.55 | Stewox | not just center |
| 00:43.05 | Stewox | i need to know the PRECISE radius |
| 00:43.15 | Stewox | radius is 7 |
| 00:43.30 | Stewox | i need to see not any less or more in game |
| 00:43.59 | Ahli | I dont know. I've never had a need for any range display |
| 00:45.24 | Stewox | do i need to link the actor with the behavior |
| 00:45.34 | Stewox | or it's already done by the actor event stuff ? |
| 00:45.48 | Ahli | actor event stuff can't read your mind. so you have to do it |
| 00:46.07 | Ahli | it needs to know when the actor should be created |
| 00:46.08 | Kueken | I recommend some basic actor tutorials. You will learn faster and more efficient by following a tutorial |
| 00:46.21 | Ahli | and when it should be destroyed |
| 00:46.47 | Kueken | also try some stuff yourself |
| 00:47.00 | Kueken | like the based on field before |
| 00:47.14 | Kueken | when noone answers, just pick one and see, what it does |
| 00:47.25 | Kueken | thats how I learned my stuff |
| 00:48.03 | Stewox | that's ... no time for 2 AM |
| 00:48.10 | Kueken | ;) |
| 00:48.13 | Kueken | well |
| 00:48.18 | Stewox | i did it now |
| 00:48.20 | Stewox | with some tut |
| 00:48.22 | Stewox | but |
| 00:48.30 | Stewox | i don't have idea which model to pic |
| 00:48.40 | Stewox | i tried with AOE Pre target |
| 00:48.45 | Kueken | you can open up the previewer |
| 00:48.53 | Kueken | and look at available modely |
| 00:48.55 | Kueken | *s |
| 00:48.57 | Stewox | but it's some point that targets no big stuff |
| 00:49.49 | Ahli | can your previewer iterate through all animations for units like the immortal? mine cant do that anymore ;( |
| 00:50.01 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.16 | Kueken | if it doesn't, mouse click in the model |
| 00:50.24 | Kueken | probably wrong window active |
| 00:50.28 | Stewox | yes but |
| 00:50.36 | Stewox | how do i know model is 7 in radius |
| 00:50.40 | Stewox | or 7+7 total |
| 00:50.41 | Kueken | you don't |
| 00:50.43 | Stewox | 14 |
| 00:50.49 | Kueken | but you can change size |
| 00:50.52 | Stewox | then that's a goose chase |
| 00:51.07 | Kueken | there is an Art - Scale field |
| 00:51.10 | Kueken | for each actor |
| 00:51.35 | Kueken | well, some models are designed to show ranges |
| 00:51.45 | Kueken | for example the aoe precursor models |
| 00:51.54 | Stewox | can't find guardian shield in previewer |
| 00:51.59 | Kueken | they are usually at 1 radius and can be scaled easily |
| 00:52.18 | Kueken | model files and model objects are not always called the same |
| 00:52.27 | Kueken | look up the guardian shield model object |
| 00:52.33 | Kueken | and see, which model file it uses |
| 00:53.03 | Stewox | i mean |
| 00:53.05 | Stewox | sentry shield |
| 00:53.21 | Stewox | well i found it now |
| 00:53.26 | Stewox | sentry |
| 00:55.30 | Stewox | ok |
| 00:55.35 | Stewox | it has 9 radius |
| 00:55.36 | Stewox | so |
| 00:55.43 | Stewox | need to decrease by 2 |
| 00:55.46 | Stewox | how ? |
| 00:57.19 | Kueken | set scale to 7/9 ;) |
| 00:57.41 | Stewox | where ? |
| 00:57.45 | Kueken | actor |
| 00:57.49 | Kueken | Art - Scale field |
| 00:57.52 | Stewox | i need to make new one then ? |
| 00:57.53 | Stewox | aha |
| 00:57.55 | Stewox | in the dat |
| 00:57.57 | Stewox | data |
| 00:58.10 | Kueken | yes |
| 01:00.19 | Stewox | no such think in data |
| 01:00.36 | Stewox | SentryShieldBubble does not exist |
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| 01:04.08 | Stewox | heello |
| 01:04.08 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.18 | Stewox | this is an effect not model |
| 01:04.20 | Stewox | too bad |
| 01:07.44 | Stewox | well |
| 01:07.54 | Stewox | no time to waste anymore |
| 01:16.00 | Stewox | kueken |
| 01:16.11 | Stewox | how would i apply this model |
| 01:16.13 | Kueken | ? |
| 01:16.19 | Stewox | to attach on other units |
| 01:16.36 | Stewox | i have AOE Pre-Target Protoss ground model |
| 01:16.40 | Kueken | I recommend the basic attachment tutorial on mapster |
| 01:16.42 | Stewox | the point |
| 01:16.59 | Stewox | i need those AURAs to make those points to other units |
| 01:17.03 | Stewox | not the self |
| 01:17.10 | Stewox | currenttly it's self |
| 01:17.32 | Kueken | use the behavior.x.on/off events |
| 01:17.47 | Stewox | well |
| 01:17.55 | Stewox | i need this ONLY for the actor |
| 01:17.58 | Stewox | not the whole thing |
| 01:18.18 | Stewox | that's already done |
| 01:18.19 | Kueken | ? |
| 01:18.26 | Kueken | yes |
| 01:18.36 | Kueken | use the behavior.x.on event |
| 01:18.38 | Stewox | disregard the ability |
| 01:18.39 | Stewox | no |
| 01:18.40 | Kueken | in the actors events |
| 01:18.49 | Stewox | how ... |
| 01:19.06 | Stewox | ok |
| 01:19.07 | Stewox | new even |
| 01:19.11 | Stewox | tevent |
| 01:19.22 | Kueken | behavior.x.on -> create |
| 01:19.28 | Kueken | behavior.x.off -> destroy |
| 01:19.39 | Kueken | something like that |
| 01:19.50 | Stewox | i already have that |
| 01:19.59 | Stewox | and it's persistent effect not behavior |
| 01:20.19 | Stewox | im talking about how to make those actor model stuff on the other units in the aura |
| 01:20.41 | Stewox | the model |
| 01:20.48 | Stewox | is AOE Pre Target |
| 01:20.54 | Stewox | the tiny dot |
| 01:21.04 | Stewox | that appears in center point of missile turret |
| 01:21.26 | Stewox | it appears on the turret it self the turret that has the persistent active |
| 01:21.57 | Stewox | i need those dots to be on the assist weapon enabled missile turrets |
| 01:22.09 | Stewox | aha |
| 01:22.11 | Stewox | so |
| 01:22.13 | Stewox | lol |
| 01:22.22 | Stewox | i make the enabled behavior as on off |
| 01:22.24 | Stewox | okay |
| 01:22.25 | Stewox | tnx |
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| 01:25.08 | Stewox | kueken |
| 01:25.13 | Stewox | found something interesting |
| 01:25.22 | Kueken | ? |
| 01:25.33 | Stewox | we need a disable validator and behavior |
| 01:25.47 | Stewox | the weapon disabled idea prolly doesn't work imo |
| 01:25.55 | Stewox | the behavior never stops |
| 01:26.06 | Stewox | those models keep going on |
| 01:26.18 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 01:26.21 | Stewox | yes |
| 01:26.30 | Kueken | the on/off doesn't trigger on disable? |
| 01:26.38 | Kueken | thats... unexpected |
| 01:26.40 | Stewox | no |
| 01:26.53 | Stewox | that what vailreth told .... is not working |
| 01:27.11 | Stewox | what's why ... it was so hard to notice |
| 01:27.28 | Stewox | the thing actually worked when i sent one unit toward one group of MTs |
| 01:28.05 | Stewox | but when i navigated my air around , all those MTs would assist fire ... it was seeming that radius was too high |
| 01:28.28 | Stewox | but infact they're not disabling and the long range is long enough to detect distant markers |
| 01:29.10 | Kueken | too bad |
| 01:29.39 | Stewox | only this ... and i think ... i can stop bugging you about this :) |
| 01:29.50 | Stewox | then i would know to expand on my own |
| 01:30.33 | Stewox | then i will go into learning mode ... but since it's not working yet ... i can try for hours |
| 01:35.42 | Stewox | ok |
| 01:35.56 | Stewox | kueken i have the disabling buff behavior |
| 01:36.06 | Stewox | how should i link this one with the aura system ? |
| 01:36.33 | Kueken | when is your aura applied? |
| 01:36.45 | Stewox | when the units enter the search area |
| 01:36.46 | Kueken | when the turret is firing, right? |
| 01:36.54 | Stewox | i think not |
| 01:37.03 | Stewox | search area imo |
| 01:37.08 | Stewox | you made markers |
| 01:37.23 | Kueken | yes, but the aura is active only, if the turret uses its main weapon |
| 01:37.28 | Kueken | correct? |
| 01:37.35 | Stewox | ah , yes indeed |
| 01:37.48 | Kueken | so it would need to enable the weapon |
| 01:38.11 | Kueken | so maybe |
| 01:38.30 | Kueken | if disabling initially didn't work |
| 01:38.52 | Kueken | you can add a disabling behavior and let the aura disable that behavior |
| 01:39.02 | Kueken | or you can remove the weapon entirely |
| 01:39.08 | Kueken | and let the aura add it |
| 01:39.16 | Kueken | (buffs can add weapons) |
| 01:39.21 | Stewox | will aura add it ? |
| 01:39.23 | Stewox | well |
| 01:39.47 | Stewox | i made the disabling behavior, now i link it in the ... main behavior |
| 01:39.50 | Stewox | the scanner |
| 01:42.37 | Kueken | well |
| 01:42.50 | Kueken | if you want to go for adding the weapon via behavior |
| 01:43.03 | Kueken | you need to make the aura apply the behavior |
| 01:43.38 | Kueken | and you need to remove the weapon disable, and add the weapon to the weapons add field or however it is called |
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| 01:59.39 | Stewox | kueken |
| 01:59.46 | Stewox | Period Durations in persistent |
| 01:59.48 | Stewox | 1 |
| 01:59.54 | Stewox | is this scan rate ? |
| 02:00.13 | Stewox | you didn't told me for persistent but i made it via tutorial |
| 02:00.23 | Kueken | it defines the duration between the execution of the period effects |
| 02:00.36 | Kueken | so yes, most likely scan rate for you |
| 02:00.50 | Stewox | so it should be the same for that one in the initial |
| 02:00.58 | Stewox | who takes priority ? |
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| 02:01.22 | Kueken | no idea |
| 02:01.31 | Stewox | ok |
| 02:01.35 | Stewox | Period Count ? |
| 02:01.41 | Stewox | it's 1 |
| 02:02.44 | Kueken | then it executes once |
| 02:05.45 | Stewox | ok.. |
| 02:05.48 | Stewox | also |
| 02:06.01 | Stewox | what is offset area by angle ? |
| 02:07.52 | Kueken | thats an option to play around with when using angled searches |
| 02:08.02 | Kueken | doesn't concern us |
| 02:08.22 | Kueken | it is checked by default and should usually always be |
| 02:09.34 | Stewox | ok |
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| 02:20.41 | Stewox | kueken |
| 02:20.54 | Stewox | how would i validate a unit as "idle" or "not firing" |
| 02:21.19 | A1win | I think there's a validator for not being in combat |
| 02:21.34 | A1win | or actually that's for taking damage |
| 02:21.36 | Kueken | not being in combat = taking no damage for x seconds |
| 02:21.43 | A1win | add a behavior when the unit fires |
| 02:21.58 | Stewox | i already have that |
| 02:21.58 | Kueken | I think you can negate the "firing weapon" validator you used before |
| 02:21.59 | A1win | on the unit, for x seconds |
| 02:22.07 | Stewox | i need a "weapon firing" negative |
| 02:22.10 | SoulTaker916_ | sup sexy |
| 02:22.14 | Kueken | there is a combine validator |
| 02:22.24 | SoulTaker916_ | for once it finaly auto joined this channel |
| 02:22.25 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 02:22.26 | Kueken | which can combine and negate other validators |
| 02:22.35 | SoulTaker916_ | the scripts work 1/50 times |
| 02:22.36 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 02:23.12 | Stewox | so i would need to use another FIRING validator |
| 02:23.23 | Stewox | and another one plus , to negate it |
| 02:23.26 | Stewox | 3 total |
| 02:23.39 | Stewox | one's already there |
| 02:25.49 | Stewox | ok |
| 02:25.55 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.57 | Stewox | now |
| 02:25.59 | Stewox | there's OR |
| 02:26.00 | Stewox | and AND |
| 02:26.04 | Stewox | no NOT |
| 02:26.16 | Kueken | there is a negate field |
| 02:26.20 | Stewox | aha ... |
| 02:26.22 | Kueken | or something like that |
| 02:26.35 | Stewox | type should be OR ? == default |
| 02:27.05 | Kueken | since you combine one validator only, and or or should be wayne |
| 02:27.28 | Stewox | ah |
| 02:27.42 | Stewox | i was suspecting the context of that |
| 02:27.44 | Stewox | ok |
| 02:28.28 | Stewox | also |
| 02:28.55 | Stewox | should i select the combine from the initial aura behavior ? |
| 02:29.30 | Stewox | man it's late again |
| 02:29.32 | Stewox | damn |
| 02:29.58 | Stewox | kueken ... selecting validator from aura main behavior: Combine or Actual |
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| 02:30.38 | Stewox | last step |
| 02:32.43 | Kueken | not sure what you mean |
| 02:32.47 | Kueken | try it out |
| 02:33.58 | Stewox | which validator do i need to select |
| 02:34.07 | Stewox | how can you not understand this |
| 02:34.16 | Stewox | the validator that i validate the behavior |
| 02:34.21 | Stewox | i made another aura |
| 02:34.23 | Stewox | disabling one |
| 02:34.32 | Stewox | duplicated everything |
| 02:34.37 | Stewox | tested already |
| 02:34.41 | Stewox | doesn't disable yet |
| 02:34.55 | Stewox | ... i'll try selecting actual validator |
| 02:35.08 | Stewox | i selected the combine version and it didn't work now |
| 02:35.22 | Stewox | but it might not necessary be validators wrong |
| 02:37.14 | Stewox | kind of doesn't work |
| 02:37.17 | Stewox | well ... |
| 02:37.21 | Stewox | that's it for today |
| 02:37.29 | Stewox | thanks so much anyways |
| 02:37.39 | Stewox | cya |
| 02:37.43 | Stewox | zzz |
| 02:46.36 | Vailreth | hah |
| 02:46.38 | Vailreth | bah |
| 02:52.18 | Kueken | ? |
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| 03:02.22 | Frostwind | hi |
| 03:02.41 | Frostwind | anyone wanna start a SC2 project with me? |
| 03:04.14 | Aelia | anyone else getting REEEALLY tired of hearing this every 6 hours? |
| 03:04.33 | Aelia | barely any new people join this channel and stick around |
| 03:04.39 | Aelia | youre just asking the same 40 people the same question day after day |
| 03:05.09 | Aelia | and the fact that i havent ever seen someone show any interest kind of tells me youre wasting your time |
| 03:05.44 | Frostwind | I can't start a project until I find a partner to do so with |
| 03:05.49 | Aelia | bullshit |
| 03:05.55 | Aelia | absolute and utter bullshit |
| 03:06.02 | Frostwind | so I have nothing else to do until then |
| 03:06.22 | Frostwind | no project at all to work on |
| 03:06.26 | Aelia | you can do the entire map besides the models and textures |
| 03:06.34 | Aelia | and then im sure youll find someone to help you |
| 03:06.36 | Frostwind | nothing |
| 03:06.53 | Aelia | i can see im wasting my time here |
| 03:07.06 | Aelia | i for one would never work with someone who is so blind to reason |
| 03:07.19 | Frostwind | impossible to even bounce ideas off yourself |
| 03:07.33 | Frostwind | only able to do that with a partner |
| 03:07.35 | Aelia | .... |
| 03:07.38 | Aelia | like i said |
| 03:07.41 | Aelia | wasting my time |
| 03:08.21 | Aelia | im sure people in this channel would be happy to listen to ideas, but i dont think they are going to be willing to commit to a project with someone who wont even do some kind of proof of concept work to start |
| 03:08.49 | Frostwind | can't use random ppl |
| 03:08.53 | Aelia | WHY |
| 03:09.13 | Frostwind | as that wouldn't have a clue as to whats going on with the project then |
| 03:09.49 | Aelia | i think you a) underestimate people |
| 03:09.57 | Aelia | and b) have an inflated sense of self importance |
| 03:10.22 | Frostwind | also I wouldn't tell someone who isn't a part of the project all the details |
| 03:10.43 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 03:10.54 | Kueken | so you cannot do anything, because you have no ideas |
| 03:11.03 | Kueken | but you know the details? |
| 03:11.15 | Aelia | Kueken: hes been coming in here every 6 hours or so asking for someone to join his project |
| 03:11.19 | Aelia | but he has nothing to show for it |
| 03:11.21 | Kueken | I noticed |
| 03:11.28 | Aelia | no prototype |
| 03:11.32 | Aelia | no nothing |
| 03:11.43 | A1win | he's been coming for here for several days asking for people to start a project D: |
| 03:11.48 | Frostwind | because no one has joined me to start a project with me |
| 03:12.00 | Kueken | well, that may have a reason :D |
| 03:12.02 | Aelia | and considering hes pretty much picked the most ridiculously time consuming genre and setting |
| 03:12.06 | Frostwind | so of course there is nothing to show yet |
| 03:12.19 | Kueken | would you join someone's project, if he asks like you do now? |
| 03:12.23 | Kueken | I certainly won't |
| 03:12.43 | Aelia | oh, ive tried telling him there is no one who is willing to commit to hundreds or thousands of hours of work based on a "wanna make an rpg" |
| 03:12.53 | Frostwind | I wouldn't join anyone's project no matter what it was |
| 03:13.07 | Aelia | what makes you think anyone else thinks differently |
| 03:13.27 | Aelia | i would venture a guess that every person that idles this channel has one or several of their own projects |
| 03:13.27 | Frostwind | Hell, I was offered a position on SCU team and I turned Ryan down |
| 03:13.34 | Aelia | ok |
| 03:13.41 | Kueken | welcome to the club ;) |
| 03:13.42 | Aelia | so now im leaning way more towards 2) |
| 03:13.44 | Frostwind | I'm not gonna work on someone else's shit |
| 03:13.49 | Aelia | lol |
| 03:13.57 | Kueken | then make your own shit alone -.- |
| 03:13.58 | Aelia | you need to read what youre saying |
| 03:14.07 | Kueken | and it'd better be awesome |
| 03:14.07 | Frostwind | I need a partner first |
| 03:14.12 | Aelia | and imagine that everyone else might feel the same way |
| 03:14.27 | Aelia | why would they work on your shit when they can make their own shit |
| 03:14.48 | A1win | is there a way to pause a behavior's run time? |
| 03:14.54 | Aelia | i think so |
| 03:14.55 | A1win | I mean duration timer |
| 03:15.15 | Kueken | tried disabling it? |
| 03:15.29 | Aelia | hmm |
| 03:15.31 | Aelia | maybe not |
| 03:15.44 | A1win | it needs to be enabled |
| 03:16.08 | Kueken | fake the same effect with the disabling behavior |
| 03:16.30 | Kueken | if disable works, anyway |
| 03:16.55 | Kueken | not sure, if there is a native way to pause the duration |
| 03:19.42 | A1win | mmhmhm |
| 03:20.10 | A1win | the system is already quite complex, not sure if I want to add even more complexity to it :P |
| 03:20.14 | Kueken | behaviors can have rate multipliers |
| 03:20.23 | Kueken | for morph, progress etc |
| 03:20.33 | Kueken | maybe progress has an influence on behaviors |
| 03:20.44 | Kueken | but I doubt it |
| 03:21.58 | Kueken | well, and time scale, but I guess you know the side effects |
| 03:23.23 | A1win | actually I just realized that's not even what I need |
| 03:23.24 | A1win | :P |
| 03:24.46 | A1win | err... it already works like it should, I just thought it didn't |
| 03:25.08 | Kueken | :D |
| 03:25.37 | A1win | I have a power system where power sources provide power and users consume it, and if consumption is higher than generation, everything goes offline until fixed... and I have turrets that consume power while they are firing and for 10 seconds afterwards, so that if multiple turrets fire at once and there's not enough power, the entire grid goes offline for 10 seconds (though if the players unplug enough of those turrets, it can go back online) |
| 03:26.18 | A1win | I was thinking that during the 10 seconds the turrets would consume power and the players could "abuse" it by taking out all fuel from generators so they wouldn't use it anymore... but they don't since the generators are offline as well |
| 03:26.43 | A1win | so all it means is that those turrets can't be all used during that 10 seconds, unless more power is supplied |
| 03:39.54 | Dustin | wtf |
| 03:40.03 | Dustin | The trigger debugger lags the fuck out of my game lol |
| 03:40.29 | A1win | yup... takes time to print those messages |
| 03:46.26 | A1win | haven't been this productive in a long time, been mapping nearly non-stop for a week or so |
| 03:47.32 | A1win | 10 days it seems with this map |
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| 04:18.39 | Dustin | My new map is gonna be so fucking fun |
| 04:18.42 | Dustin | I cant wait to paly it |
| 04:18.45 | Dustin | play |
| 04:21.23 | A1win | I've had the basic idea for this map for soo long, I just never came up with how to make it happen |
| 04:21.42 | A1win | well, one of the ideas... not exactly the base idea |
| 04:22.07 | A1win | a complex, progressive crafting system as the core gameplay |
| 04:22.50 | A1win | and now that I have the epic mining system as well, it makes the perfect combination |
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| 04:35.10 | Saeris1 | sixen, just sent you a pm for a news post |
| 04:35.21 | Saeris1 | also, everone else, i've posted a new tutorial |
| 04:35.22 | Saeris1 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/27959-terrain-map-templates-digital-tracing-paper-advanced/#p1 |
| 04:35.46 | Saeris1 | hope it helps you all out with your terraining |
| 04:41.37 | A1win | any ideas how to validate if an SCV is constructing a building? |
| 04:43.43 | A1win | or how to apply a behavior to the SCV while it's constructing (which could then be validated) |
| 04:44.08 | A1win | errm... at least with triggers it's easy, and I already need those events for other things |
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| 05:13.45 | speciesexochu | what be going on |
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| 07:05.28 | XenoX101 | err wtf |
| 07:05.35 | XenoX101 | my thor actor just shat itself |
| 07:05.42 | XenoX101 | the events are blank and I can't copy paste any events int oit |
| 07:05.45 | XenoX101 | into it |
| 07:05.53 | XenoX101 | stupid freaking actors |
| 07:06.02 | XenoX101 | if blizz need to work on one thing in this game |
| 07:06.04 | XenoX101 | its actors |
| 07:06.26 | Agouti | mmmm |
| 07:06.38 | Agouti | I'd like basic maths and lookups in effects |
| 07:06.39 | XenoX101 | like why did I just lose all my events |
| 07:06.45 | XenoX101 | that shouldn't happen |
| 07:06.47 | Agouti | because jesus hates you |
| 07:06.47 | XenoX101 | ever |
| 07:07.00 | XenoX101 | like if that happened to a sophisticated software |
| 07:07.04 | XenoX101 | the programmer would be fired |
| 07:07.15 | XenoX101 | "wheres all my records" |
| 07:07.26 | XenoX101 | "oh sorry it glitches when you do that, you lost them" |
| 07:07.35 | A1win | copy paste all the 3 event fields at the same time |
| 07:07.52 | XenoX101 | they're not linked |
| 07:07.53 | A1win | turn on raw data if it doesn't work otherwise |
| 07:07.57 | A1win | huh? |
| 07:08.09 | XenoX101 | the 3 event fields |
| 07:08.13 | XenoX101 | are just seperate entities |
| 07:08.18 | A1win | I know |
| 07:08.45 | A1win | turn table view on |
| 07:08.56 | A1win | then select all 3 fields by left click + drag |
| 07:08.59 | A1win | I mean |
| 07:09.06 | A1win | select one, shift select rest |
| 07:09.15 | A1win | well dragging works too apparently |
| 07:09.47 | A1win | also turn the combine structure values setting off |
| 07:10.00 | XenoX101 | its ok I copy pasted from a backup file |
| 07:10.07 | XenoX101 | the actor |
| 07:10.22 | XenoX101 | fortunately other data doesnt depend on actors |
| 07:10.29 | XenoX101 | actors only depend on themselves |
| 07:10.41 | XenoX101 | er |
| 07:10.51 | XenoX101 | actors only depend on others I mean |
| 07:11.04 | XenoX101 | haha |
| 07:11.07 | XenoX101 | now my editor crashed |
| 07:11.09 | XenoX101 | fuck this |
| 07:11.14 | A1win | mine did too yesterday =P |
| 07:11.21 | A1win | when copying stuff in data editor |
| 07:11.30 | XenoX101 | mine has probably crashed |
| 07:11.34 | XenoX101 | 30 times in my making this map |
| 07:11.36 | XenoX101 | of some 80 hours |
| 07:11.46 | A1win | need to be careful to copy all linked fields at the same time |
| 07:11.58 | A1win | and reselect things after opening a different data object |
| 07:12.07 | JademusSreg | Duplicate is baaad. |
| 07:13.23 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 07:13.25 | XenoX101 | I think I got it now |
| 07:13.26 | JademusSreg | True made up fact: At least 100% of problems encountered by users is a result of duplicating. |
| 07:13.27 | A1win | that's odd... why are my enemies attacking the furthest unit from a unit group when I tell them to attack the closest one O_o |
| 07:14.27 | JademusSreg | A1, I didn't know your map had enemies in it. |
| 07:14.34 | A1win | it does now :P |
| 07:14.53 | A1win | I mean that was the plan all along |
| 07:14.59 | A1win | I've had turrets in it for a few days now |
| 07:15.15 | A1win | combat is mostly defensive though |
| 07:15.21 | A1win | i.e kiting enemies to turrets |
| 07:15.26 | A1win | until you get goliaths and later on thors |
| 07:15.41 | A1win | (and just one controlled by each player at a time, like a vehicle) |
| 07:16.08 | A1win | ohhh now I know why this bugs |
| 07:16.22 | A1win | it doesn't attack structures because they have a footprint and pathing cost check fails |
| 07:16.54 | A1win | -.- and now I have no idea how to fix it |
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| 07:18.05 | A1win | and now I do |
| 07:18.08 | A1win | 8) |
| 07:18.46 | A1win | or perhaps not... |
| 07:19.04 | A1win | complex thing is complex |
| 07:19.14 | A1win | so many restrictions |
| 07:19.59 | A1win | oh yeah |
| 07:20.22 | A1win | nevermind |
| 07:22.25 | A1win | would be nice if the pathing cost between points function had some options :| |
| 07:24.14 | A1win | if it is a structure, maybe I could check for pathing cost between the unit and a point offset by structure radius + 1 towards the unit |
| 07:24.26 | A1win | I have empty space of 1 square around each structure |
| 07:24.32 | A1win | except turrets, which only have 0.75... uff |
| 07:24.38 | XenoX101 | has anyone ever had the issue of a unit's actor replicating itself while the unit is moving? |
| 07:24.43 | XenoX101 | its like I have clones appearing behind its movement |
| 07:24.47 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 07:24.54 | XenoX101 | oh wait nvm |
| 07:24.55 | XenoX101 | unit footprint |
| 07:25.07 | JademusSreg | Did you duplicate a high templar? Wakka wakka |
| 07:29.01 | A1win | any idea how to find the point that a unit would be standing on if it moves to attack a unit that has a footprint? >.< |
| 07:29.43 | A1win | I guess no efficient solution... |
| 07:29.56 | JademusSreg | None that I can guess. |
| 07:30.26 | A1win | I need a way to check if the enemy has an open path to the structure, but since the structure has a footprint, I can't check for pathing cost |
| 07:31.53 | A1win | using one of the points in the empty space around the structure could work I suppose, it wouldn't be accurate but it doesn't need to be... |
| 07:32.53 | JademusSreg | Sounds about right. |
| 07:33.06 | A1win | and I can get those by just clamping the unit's X and Y between the square around the structure :o |
| 07:33.52 | A1win | how do I get the dimensions of that square though... structures have radius too although it's not used for collisions? |
| 07:34.05 | JademusSreg | Popular topic, it seems: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3530354287 |
| 07:35.03 | JademusSreg | A1, this is for general use, like if it were a function, it would be PathingCostToStructure, or something? |
| 07:35.27 | A1win | quite, though I'm not sure if I need it for more than one purpose |
| 07:36.14 | A1win | if I wanted a more accurate value, I could get the minimum of multiple pathing costs around it |
| 07:36.24 | JademusSreg | And it returns 0 if you try to get the pathing cost to a unit with a footprint? |
| 07:36.47 | A1win | it returns the highest value in the value range |
| 07:36.59 | JademusSreg | Ah. Just as bad. |
| 07:37.31 | A1win | but it is pathing cost between points, not between units |
| 07:37.47 | JademusSreg | One solution would be to use a tracer unit that walks the path and reports back the value. But this is an ugly solution. |
| 07:37.58 | Kueken | -.- |
| 07:37.59 | A1win | mm :P |
| 07:38.00 | JademusSreg | Yes, I understand that. I'm just simplifying. |
| 07:38.13 | Kueken | jademus, I just had your answer typed out |
| 07:38.31 | A1win | yeah but because it's between points, it has no knowledge of the units, and only checks for any ground pathing |
| 07:38.37 | JademusSreg | Another approach would be to make certain assumptions about the relationship between radius and footprint dimensions. |
| 07:38.54 | A1win | I think I have all of them set to match it |
| 07:39.02 | A1win | and if not, I should be able to do that |
| 07:39.10 | JademusSreg | Then your approach would work, I think. |
| 07:39.15 | A1win | yeah, it'd seem so |
| 07:40.35 | JademusSreg | And the greater number of samples you take at different polar offsets, the more accurate it will be. |
| 07:40.42 | A1win | the worst case scenario with it is a setup where a structure is surrounded by a wall from all sides except for one tile at the opposite side of the structure, in that case the pathing cost would be higher by a value that's required to go around the structure |
| 07:41.24 | A1win | if I'd only use one point |
| 07:41.35 | JademusSreg | You could make custom footprints to prevent that, like the factory structure footprints in wc3. |
| 07:41.46 | A1win | hmm? |
| 07:42.10 | A1win | they already have a one square empty space around them in the footprint, but I mean if that is surrounded by a wall |
| 07:42.11 | JademusSreg | In wc3, unit producing structures had footprints that gave them buffer area around the unpathable part. |
| 07:42.18 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 07:42.31 | JademusSreg | Neato, then. |
| 07:42.59 | A1win | I needed that to have some space for the enemies to unburrow in, so that they don't ever get stuck inside walls |
| 07:43.10 | A1win | they move through the rocks burrowed |
| 07:43.28 | A1win | because pathfinding doesn't work in areas that are unspawned (because of no players near them) |
| 07:44.24 | A1win | but I can prevent them from unburrowing if they are under a tile that has a rock on it, even if they are in an unspawned area |
| 07:45.42 | JademusSreg | That reminds me... |
| 07:46.37 | JademusSreg | It's completely unrelated, but the map analyzer tool is dreadful. |
| 07:46.53 | JademusSreg | Might benefit me to improve on it sometime. |
| 07:54.42 | A1win | hmm |
| 07:55.08 | A1win | apparently it sets radius to the longest distance from the unit's center to the edge of the unpathable area of the footprint |
| 07:58.16 | A1win | I think I could just add a small number to that and get the right result, because the footprints aren't larger than 3x3 (plus the borders), and the 3x3 one has rounded corners, so the radius becomes only 1.65 |
| 07:59.45 | A1win | :O looks like it works |
| 08:00.08 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 08:00.24 | JademusSreg | How many samples do you take? 4? |
| 08:01.07 | A1win | just one for now, the closest point to the unit |
| 08:01.16 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 08:01.49 | A1win | the important thing is that the unit won't consider it a valid target if the pathing cost is too large |
| 08:02.00 | A1win | so if it'd have to go around it, it'd probably be too large anyway |
| 08:02.35 | A1win | now I wonder why it isn't attacking my SCV when I'm standing straight next to it... |
| 08:06.55 | A1win | ohhh... closest unit to point actually takes unit range into account |
| 08:07.01 | A1win | so the structure is closer than the SCV |
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| 08:16.45 | A1win | AI is quite fun to make :o |
| 08:17.18 | A1win | at first it seems like a very big and intimidating thing but when I get to it, it all just makes sense |
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| 08:19.17 | A1win | until it doesn't |
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| 08:31.25 | A1win | mmh then I need to figure out how to prevent excess bouncing of enemies by moving into range and out of range |
| 08:31.33 | A1win | probably needs a target locking system |
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| 08:39.33 | Mexa_ | good mornin'! |
| 08:43.29 | A1win | haha, I set number of enemies = sqrt(mission time) and forgot it was in seconds, not minutes |
| 08:43.48 | A1win | nice surprise when it suddenly spawned them on me |
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| 09:04.08 | A1win | hmm maybe I do want the players to be able to kite the enemies though |
| 09:04.31 | A1win | it renders them unable to do actual work while doing so :x |
| 09:05.01 | A1win | plus the map is big, they can't be everywhere |
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| 09:42.58 | JademusSreg | The forums have been spammed by a bot. |
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| 10:03.04 | Mexa_ | oh? |
| 10:03.16 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 10:03.31 | Mexa_ | where? |
| 10:04.17 | JademusSreg | Fixed already. |
| 10:04.27 | Mexa_ | ah yeah, I see one, in the artist tavern |
| 10:10.31 | A1win | humm how can I make the perdition turret flames shorter D: |
| 10:11.23 | JademusSreg | Rescale the model. |
| 10:11.57 | A1win | the model seems to be just one flame particle |
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| 10:12.37 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 10:12.59 | JademusSreg | Only one particle in the previewer? |
| 10:13.05 | A1win | yeah |
| 10:13.27 | A1win | there are lots of attachment method stuff in the attack actor |
| 10:14.14 | A1win | I'll try scaling down the attack actor |
| 10:14.49 | A1win | hmm it has lots of scale fields |
| 10:15.16 | A1win | Container Assets - Scale, Damage Map - Scale, Impact Map - Scale, Launch Assets- Scale |
| 10:15.44 | A1win | oh the map stuff are something else |
| 10:17.54 | A1win | nothing happens D: |
| 10:18.57 | A1win | there's AMVolumesWeightedPick in a couple of attachment queries |
| 10:19.50 | A1win | hmm... |
| 10:19.57 | A1win | that might do it |
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| 10:20.24 | A1win | or dunno |
| 10:21.52 | JademusSreg | Sleep time. |
| 10:22.09 | Stewox | here .. can't get the disable stuff to work |
| 10:22.11 | A1win | not that either... |
| 10:22.47 | Stewox | i'll be back later .. kueken , thanks for help , after that i should be able to continue my self |
| 10:23.17 | A1win | hmm could be the search area... |
| 10:23.33 | A1win | oh, the create persistent |
| 10:23.39 | A1win | periodic offsets |
| 10:24.35 | A1win | yeah the model is created on the damage point |
| 10:29.06 | A1win | err... modifying that didn't change anything either O_o |
| 10:30.34 | Stewox | a1win |
| 10:30.36 | Stewox | you talking to me ? |
| 10:30.46 | A1win | nah :P |
| 10:30.50 | Stewox | ok |
| 10:31.09 | A1win | testing things out and reporting the results here just in case someone has an idea of what the hell is going on |
| 10:31.19 | Stewox | kueken it doesn't work again ? |
| 10:32.40 | Stewox | meh |
| 10:32.42 | Stewox | later .. |
| 10:44.51 | A1win | haaaaaa found it |
| 10:45.08 | A1win | it actually was a model... but not the model I was looking at all the time <.< |
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| 11:23.17 | A1win | how to make a channeled effect that periodically executes an effect? if I use just effect-target, I can't define the period length |
| 11:24.09 | A1win | err, that's a create healer... |
| 11:24.19 | A1win | getting tired again =p |
| 11:24.44 | A1win | create persistent I suppose |
| 11:28.36 | A1win | except that how do I make a create persistent persist while it's being channeled D: |
| 11:29.05 | A1win | oh yeah, behavior on the target... |
| 11:29.38 | Mexa_ | Hmm |
| 11:30.03 | Mexa_ | Would be awesome to have a database consisting all different commands for effects |
| 11:30.40 | A1win | ah, channeled and persist until destroyed seem to work together... |
| 11:30.40 | Mexa_ | And then allow code completion and syntax highlighting in xml fashion |
| 11:31.29 | Mexa_ | A1win, you talk too much to yourself :> |
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| 11:38.38 | A1win | people just don't reply often enough ;[ |
| 11:39.36 | A1win | it helps me think, and I rather write somewhere where someone else might have something to say about it rather than just writing to notepad or something |
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| 11:41.52 | Mexa_ | ah:p |
| 11:42.30 | A1win | also I'm tired ;p |
| 11:43.11 | A1win | any idea why I can smart-target my repair ability but if I try to manualy target it, it just says the default "Must target a unit" error x_X |
| 11:44.18 | A1win | nevermind, found it |
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| 13:59.15 | Ashamed | good morning |
| 14:06.47 | Mexa_ | hey there |
| 14:09.35 | Ashamed | my tummy is hurting this morning :( |
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| 16:39.40 | Hati | ~purl |
| 16:39.40 | purl | methinks purl is a far prettier chatbot than you. |
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| 17:09.49 | Kueken1 | Mexa the "bounding" only sets some events. If you add these events for multiple units, you should be able to use the same actor for all of them. |
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| 17:32.45 | Mexa_ | Bounding? |
| 17:32.58 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 17:33.03 | Mexa_ | okay |
| 17:33.32 | Mexa_ | .. I think |
| 17:33.43 | Mexa_ | meh, I'll be back |
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| 18:07.23 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
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| 18:16.06 | Ashamed | he awakens |
| 18:19.24 | JademusSreg | I was playing some space aos last night with a friend. It's that one with the meteors and tiny ships and shit. Not star battle, but the one playing Star Wars music on a loop. |
| 18:20.41 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I was pushing through the right lane, pretty much unstoppable with crazy shield and shield regen and weapons, and then my friend stops respawning. Fucker fell asleep. |
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| 18:30.34 | Ashamed | lol |
| 18:30.45 | Ashamed | good ol' fall alsleep during playing move |
| 18:30.57 | Ashamed | ... only time i have ever done this was on wow lol |
| 18:30.57 | Catface | Ohai |
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| 18:31.35 | Ashamed | durring instance |
| 18:31.42 | Ashamed | and i was healer :P |
| 18:32.47 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 19:02.19 | goa | guys on my map randomly sometimes people load other's banks, any idea why is it happening? |
| 19:05.02 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you're incorrectly assigning them to variable. |
| 19:05.39 | JademusSreg | Suppose you have an array of banks. |
| 19:05.52 | goa | JademusSreg I checked so many times |
| 19:05.55 | goa | its not that |
| 19:06.07 | goa | Its also completly random |
| 19:06.34 | goa | sometimes its for players near each other and some times players that arent |
| 19:06.46 | goa | also it happens about 5% of the games |
| 19:06.54 | JademusSreg | If you're iterating across the active playergroup to get banks, and assigning them to the array, but using the incrementer instead of the player as the array index, it would result in bank scrambling. |
| 19:06.59 | goa | and only in games with many players |
| 19:07.30 | goa | ? |
| 19:07.40 | goa | I am using constants to open and preload banks |
| 19:08.03 | JademusSreg | Not talking about that action. |
| 19:09.18 | goa | I not really understand you:D |
| 19:09.47 | JademusSreg | The efficient approach is to make a global bank array, and on map init, assign each player's banks to the array using the player as the array index. |
| 19:10.18 | goa | yes |
| 19:10.27 | goa | thats what I do |
| 19:10.40 | JademusSreg | Good. Show me the function where you do that. |
| 19:11.24 | goa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.37 | goa | you mean this? |
| 19:11.42 | JademusSreg | Use pastebin. |
| 19:13.21 | goa | http://pastebin.com/8NyETHra |
| 19:13.59 | JademusSreg | Why wouldn't you use a loop to just increment across the active playergroup? |
| 19:14.40 | goa | ? |
| 19:14.56 | goa | as you have to use constants for loading banks... |
| 19:15.22 | JademusSreg | Nyet. You can only use literals, not constants, with the preload action. |
| 19:15.55 | JademusSreg | Because the preload action is actually a preprocess command that adds a bank load instruction to an xml file in the map. |
| 19:16.52 | goa | anyway, it should be good this way too |
| 19:17.11 | goa | also it worked like this and only started this since some weeks |
| 19:17.37 | goa | also I use 2 banks, 1 for back up |
| 19:18.16 | JademusSreg | There is no good reason not to increment across the active playergroup. I advise you start be redoing it to make it more efficient. |
| 19:18.19 | goa | but it worked with back up bank too for some time... |
| 19:19.19 | goa | JademusSreg wouldnt change much... |
| 19:20.17 | JademusSreg | Cut down your code to 1/14 its current, make it easier to read, it's just plain good practice. |
| 19:20.52 | JademusSreg | Also, what's with the waits? |
| 19:21.23 | goa | thought might help I read it in some crap thread:D |
| 19:22.20 | JademusSreg | Naw, not really. The banks are already preloaded and synchronized on init. The waits don't help. |
| 19:23.05 | goa | thought so |
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| 19:24.57 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/wFm9yD3U |
| 19:25.39 | JademusSreg | That's how a nice efficient playergroup loop would look in galaxy, and the logic is the same in GUI. |
| 19:27.20 | JademusSreg | You need the ActivePlayerGroup, its count, a temp player, an incrementer, a while loop, and you assign the player in the active playergroup at position of the incrementer to the temp player variable, and use the temp player to do shit like using it for array indexes. |
| 19:28.15 | goa | I know that |
| 19:28.28 | goa | but it hardly will fix it.D |
| 19:29.03 | JademusSreg | That also remains to be seen. But it is an objective improvement, no reason not to do it. |
| 19:29.50 | JademusSreg | I know I never have trouble loading banks. |
| 19:29.59 | JademusSreg | And I used to load 3 per player. |
| 19:34.16 | goa | damm |
| 19:34.31 | goa | how big banks? |
| 19:35.18 | JademusSreg | Varies. The largest one stores a bunch of stats, uncompressed. |
| 19:35.42 | goa | still how many values? |
| 19:36.03 | JademusSreg | Eventually, I found a more secure approach to admin privilege management, and dropped the other two. |
| 19:36.16 | goa | I think I have about 130 values |
| 19:36.30 | JademusSreg | Per bank? And you store them uncompressed? |
| 19:37.02 | goa | yeah uncompressed I had 60 originally... |
| 19:37.45 | goa | is it lot? |
| 19:37.54 | JademusSreg | That's only half a KB. |
| 19:38.08 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure the limit is higher than that. |
| 19:38.20 | goa | thought so |
| 19:39.06 | JademusSreg | But that's assuming all 32 bit values. In reality, it's a string file, and the size of the file is more important than the data it stores, iirc. |
| 19:39.32 | JademusSreg | Take a look in your documents and find the bank so we can get a more accurate gauge of its size. |
| 19:40.53 | goa | not bad idea.D |
| 19:41.23 | goa | also I just discovered I saved 4 times the bank for player in trigger:D |
| 19:41.35 | goa | one trigger* |
| 19:41.47 | goa | kind of really useless |
| 19:43.08 | goa | 8kb |
| 19:43.24 | goa | 7,981 bytes |
| 19:43.56 | JademusSreg | Sounds like it exceeds the limit by a lot. =D |
| 19:44.09 | goa | lol it saves banks in folder by map maker and not by maps? |
| 19:44.20 | JademusSreg | Both. |
| 19:44.29 | JademusSreg | But yes. |
| 19:44.42 | JademusSreg | It means authors can share data between maps. |
| 19:46.12 | goa | so you say 8kb is too big? |
| 19:47.20 | JademusSreg | I'm looking for the official numbers. But it sounds higher than what I vaguely remember the limit being. |
| 19:48.32 | goa | it would make sense that is causing it, as it happening since around I added 30 more value and it also seems only happening with 10+ players |
| 19:49.32 | JademusSreg | From what I see, other people encountered your same problem. |
| 19:49.37 | JademusSreg | The "randomness". |
| 19:50.38 | JademusSreg | But no solid numbers on the subject. |
| 19:51.14 | goa | thats bad |
| 19:51.22 | goa | 8kb isnt much |
| 19:51.57 | JademusSreg | Most of that size is probably XML tags, haha. |
| 19:52.10 | goa | .D |
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| 19:52.38 | JademusSreg | Open up the file, and compare how many values it stores to how many tags there are. =D |
| 19:53.23 | JademusSreg | You could look into StarCode, it offers compression. |
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| 19:54.37 | goa | I could compress for myseld its simple data and also I can easily half it... |
| 19:54.48 | JademusSreg | "Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is" That sounds irrational, Vail. =D |
| 19:54.50 | goa | as I no longer use half of it... |
| 19:55.14 | JademusSreg | Good idea. Even the most rudimentary compression would be an improvement. |
| 19:56.19 | goa | btw how does bank protection works? can I hack my own banks as this is only the first time I read the real banks and I can see all the values easily... |
| 19:56.46 | goa | <Signature value="D5D80A54CAF04AC44C060635AE5F4EEC78073851"/> hmm |
| 19:57.44 | JademusSreg | Signature is some manner of hash. I've heard tale of some tacit hackers cracking the hash function used for the signature, but they've not released the info. |
| 19:58.34 | JademusSreg | As long as you validate your signature, you've got nothing about which to worry. |
| 19:58.58 | JademusSreg | *verify |
| 19:59.00 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:00.54 | goa | yeah 2/3 of the bank are tags.... |
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| 20:08.09 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 20:08.31 | goa | hi |
| 20:09.01 | JademusSreg | Hi Vail. |
| 20:10.25 | Vailreth | hm |
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| 20:28.26 | goa | hmm what is the maximum length of string (32?) and bnet name? |
| 20:30.12 | JademusSreg | There is no max string length. |
| 20:30.29 | goa | even in banks? |
| 20:30.31 | JademusSreg | Though banks may have their own limits on them, the VM doesn't. |
| 20:30.57 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 20:43.37 | b2zeldafreak | can someone help me find a tutorial? http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/getting-started-with-galaxy-edit/creating-your/ returns a 404 error |
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| 21:02.09 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:03.02 | Xaragoth | http://i.imgur.com/IDkNW.png |
| 21:03.06 | Xaragoth | Too big? |
| 21:03.13 | Xaragoth | <insert "That's what she said"> |
| 21:03.14 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 21:03.16 | JademusSreg | Creating units is easy. Open the Unit tab in the Data module, right click on the entry list pane in the top left, Add Object |
| 21:03.29 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:03.39 | JademusSreg | Doesn't look too big. |
| 21:04.42 | Xaragoth | http://i.imgur.com/DDoWv.png |
| 21:04.43 | Xaragoth | hrm |
| 21:04.45 | Xaragoth | which version to take |
| 21:04.50 | Xaragoth | I kinda think the first one would look better |
| 21:08.37 | JademusSreg | The difference is minor, but those supports under the upper ring look better then them being flat. |
| 21:09.00 | JademusSreg | *than |
| 21:13.31 | Xaragoth | ye |
| 21:13.33 | Xaragoth | http://i.imgur.com/ChZcm.png |
| 21:13.41 | Xaragoth | going to go with 3 materials for it |
| 21:13.43 | Xaragoth | should look nice |
| 21:18.22 | Dustin | Anyone wanna help me test my map real fast? |
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| 21:22.34 | JademusSreg | Busy. |
| 21:26.17 | Dustin | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/Screenshot2011-11-07%2013_56_00.jpg |
| 21:50.51 | Vailreth | can any one answer a financial question for me |
| 21:51.29 | Xaragoth | yes, you shall buy the Skyrim Collector's Edition with the money you'd otherwise use for food |
| 21:51.34 | Xaragoth | you can survive on skyrim |
| 21:51.52 | Vailreth | well maybe |
| 21:52.46 | Vailreth | but my question is How the hell does my having less than 5000 US in a bank cost the bank more money thean oh say50,000 $ US |
| 21:53.07 | Xaragoth | it's the US |
| 21:53.11 | Xaragoth | your banks are weird |
| 21:53.19 | Xaragoth | Can't help you on that, I'm in Europe ~~ |
| 21:53.39 | Vailreth | id dosent make any FIng sense.. |
| 21:55.07 | Xaragoth | maybe they make more money of the 50000$ ~~ |
| 22:01.24 | b2zeldafreak | They get more satisfaction rolling in 50,000 of your cash than just 5000 |
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| 22:59.19 | Stewox | hello |
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| 23:00.19 | Stewox | im so close getting my damn signature thing work |
| 23:00.44 | Stewox | kueken1 ... im sorry i need you again but promise this last time |
| 23:01.09 | Stewox | i spent about an hour debugging and i can't find why disable doesn't work |
| 23:01.16 | Stewox | now that i made disabling aura |
| 23:01.36 | Stewox | http://www.mediafire.com/?mheaurt4xq83vyd |
| 23:03.58 | Xaragoth | http://i.imgur.com/5DYCe.png I made a crown with turbosmoothing ~ |
| 23:04.15 | Xaragoth | no support edges ftw |
| 23:04.16 | JademusSreg | I'd wear it. |
| 23:04.47 | Xaragoth | it's actually that claw thing up there: http://i.imgur.com/H7ppC.png |
| 23:05.21 | JademusSreg | If it were lower, it would be a good place to stow a torch. |
| 23:05.28 | Xaragoth | it holds chains |
| 23:05.31 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 23:05.33 | Xaragoth | so, it's up there |
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