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| 01:09.56 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 01:10.05 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 01:17.19 | ________________ | ~thar |
| 01:17.23 | ________________ | boo |
| 01:17.36 | ________________ | ~boo purl u suk |
| 01:17.36 | purl | Boo! Hiss! purl u suk is pure filth! Boo! |
| 01:17.49 | ________________ | glad you agree |
| 01:20.14 | Aelia | ~boo ____'s name is annoying |
| 01:20.14 | purl | Boo! Hiss! ____'s name is annoying is pure filth! Boo! |
| 01:20.30 | ________________ | hahahaha |
| 01:20.37 | Aelia | ~hi purl |
| 01:20.37 | purl | Many greetings, purl, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 01:20.46 | ________________ | ~hey |
| 01:20.46 | purl | i guess hey is almost for horses |
| 01:20.54 | ________________ | lolol |
| 01:20.54 | Aelia | ~________________ |
| 01:20.54 | purl | rumour has it, ________________ is made of lines and homosexuals |
| 01:20.59 | ________________ | shhhh |
| 01:21.04 | Aelia | :D |
| 01:21.05 | Aelia | so |
| 01:21.11 | ________________ | ~Aelia |
| 01:21.13 | Aelia | do you always use the same number of _'? |
| 01:21.20 | ________________ | usually |
| 01:21.25 | ________________ | i used to use random number |
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| 01:43.28 | ClayMuffin | Blablabla |
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| 01:49.41 | ClayMuffin | I'm having quite some trouble with this |
| 01:49.42 | ClayMuffin | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/27880-channeling-spell-problem-with-behavior-application/ |
| 01:50.23 | ClayMuffin | If anybody can land a hand |
| 01:50.46 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:51.27 | JademusSreg | You've got a channeled spell that applies a behavior, yeah? |
| 01:53.10 | ClayMuffin | yes |
| 01:53.32 | ClayMuffin | the channeled periodic applies a 2.10 secodn behavior |
| 01:57.37 | ClayMuffin | It's the only way i found to make an ability that boost resource harvesting amount while the caster has to stay near the target |
| 01:59.54 | JademusSreg | Perhaps your persistent validator is returning true prematurely? |
| 02:00.06 | JademusSreg | Oops, naw. |
| 02:00.25 | ClayMuffin | thats what i tough that may be the cause |
| 02:00.38 | ClayMuffin | but i delayed the application and it stayed the same |
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| 02:00.55 | ClayMuffin | delayed the periodical applycation* |
| 02:01.12 | JademusSreg | Could be the validators on the behavior are returning false. |
| 02:01.53 | JademusSreg | Doesn't seem you actually removei t any other way. |
| 02:02.01 | JademusSreg | So it must be that. |
| 02:06.49 | ClayMuffin | hum |
| 02:07.02 | ClayMuffin | i could easely make it with triggers |
| 02:07.12 | ClayMuffin | but still... data crap :D |
| 02:10.47 | ClayMuffin | i removed both validator on the behavior and the switch was made easely |
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| 02:11.26 | ClayMuffin | but once the unit stopped channeling, the regular behavior didn't got back |
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| 02:44.07 | egod | Im looking for some Tester for A Full house Zelda : A Link to the past Testing on (US)(NA) pst |
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| 03:09.04 | Mexa_ | pst, egod is beggining to sound like Frostwind. |
| 03:10.47 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:10.52 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 03:11.12 | JademusSreg | While eguy is an ip wanker, he's actually productive. |
| 03:11.20 | Mexa_ | :p |
| 03:11.26 | JademusSreg | So he gets more respect. =D |
| 03:17.21 | Aelia | nah |
| 03:17.25 | Aelia | i agree |
| 03:17.39 | Aelia | looking for testers is different than looking for someone to do all the work |
| 03:18.40 | Mexa_ | It was merely a pun, nothing else. |
| 03:19.01 | JademusSreg | It was a play on words? |
| 03:19.13 | Mexa_ | I meant to say joke |
| 03:19.15 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 03:19.49 | Mexa_ | I tend to first say something which I think I know the meaning of, and then look it up realising it was wrong:p |
| 03:19.53 | Mexa_ | Silly mr |
| 03:19.55 | Mexa_ | *me |
| 03:20.00 | JademusSreg | *Myr |
| 03:20.04 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:20.37 | Daara | so |
| 03:20.41 | Daara | i made an aura |
| 03:20.49 | Daara | but i don't want the unit to just have the behavior |
| 03:20.54 | Daara | i want it to be an ability |
| 03:21.15 | JademusSreg | Silly Myr; Artifact Creature - Myr; RBG; T,UUU: Tap target creature with a bad joke. |
| 03:22.33 | Daara | what should i put for the requirement on the behavior? |
| 03:23.40 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 03:23.41 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 03:28.49 | JademusSreg | Daar, you want it to be researched? |
| 03:29.03 | JademusSreg | Or you want it to be activated? |
| 03:38.21 | Daara | i want it researched |
| 03:38.24 | Daara | like a hero ability |
| 03:38.33 | Daara | learned is a better way to put it |
| 03:38.41 | Daara | pretty much doing devotion aura |
| 03:39.04 | JademusSreg | Learned like a hero ability. Hm. |
| 03:39.25 | JademusSreg | I suppose you could learn an ability that would apply itself automatically. |
| 03:39.58 | JademusSreg | For instance, an autocast & autocast one ability effecting the caster that applies a behavior. |
| 03:40.07 | JademusSreg | *autocast & autocast on |
| 03:40.27 | JademusSreg | Doesn't even need a command card button for it work. |
| 03:40.42 | Daara | yea i got the behavior aura working |
| 03:40.59 | Daara | it's just that in order to do it i have the behavior just put on the unit |
| 03:45.25 | Daara | when i make it an ability it only applies it for the .5 seconds |
| 03:46.00 | Daara | maybe i should just make a second behavior for the host unit? |
| 03:46.11 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 03:46.18 | Daara | i'll try that |
| 03:46.33 | Daara | tomorrow though |
| 03:46.36 | Daara | work in 5 hours lol |
| 03:46.40 | Daara | sleep time |
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| 04:45.50 | SPQR | anyone know of a way to get transparancy for TGA files in dialogs? |
| 04:45.59 | SPQR | or transparency, even? |
| 04:46.06 | JademusSreg | I use dds format. |
| 04:46.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:46.24 | SPQR | can you use dds for a dialog item image? |
| 04:46.30 | JademusSreg | I would imagine there is a tutorial on mapster with regards to your particular format though. |
| 04:46.38 | JademusSreg | Yes, of course. =D |
| 04:46.40 | SPQR | ive searched =\ |
| 04:46.53 | SPQR | OK, dds it is then. thanks for your help |
| 04:47.06 | JademusSreg | dds, tga, and jpg are valid image types, as I recall. |
| 04:47.42 | SPQR | I tried to use dds before, but for some reason it wasnt appearing in the file chooser after I imported it |
| 04:47.48 | JademusSreg | If you have the Nvidia dds plug in for 32-bit photoshop, making dds images is easy. |
| 04:47.55 | SPQR | when I went to select an image to use for the dialog item |
| 04:48.09 | SPQR | is it free? |
| 04:48.13 | JademusSreg | Did you save it in the correct format? |
| 04:48.17 | JademusSreg | Yeah, the plug in is free. |
| 04:48.25 | SPQR | I converted it to DDS with some third party software |
| 04:48.30 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 04:48.34 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 04:48.38 | XenoX101 | is there a way to send orders to be queued on a unit? |
| 04:48.42 | SPQR | yeah |
| 04:48.46 | XenoX101 | how |
| 04:48.48 | SPQR | theres an option in that function |
| 04:48.50 | SPQR | thats like |
| 04:48.57 | SPQR | earse existing orders |
| 04:49.00 | SPQR | erase |
| 04:49.04 | XenoX101 | oh yeah |
| 04:49.05 | XenoX101 | shit |
| 04:49.08 | XenoX101 | thank you |
| 04:49.30 | SPQR | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.53 | XenoX101 | yep yep |
| 04:50.00 | XenoX101 | saved me like |
| 04:50.04 | XenoX101 | 15 lines of |
| 04:50.17 | XenoX101 | X of Point(Position of unit) > blah + blah |
| 04:50.26 | XenoX101 | woulda been messy |
| 04:50.42 | SPQR | haha yeah |
| 04:51.17 | SPQR | installing the nvidia plugin |
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| 04:51.37 | XenoX101 | yeah nvidia plugin doesnt work on 64 bit |
| 04:51.40 | XenoX101 | how did you know that jademus |
| 04:51.40 | SPQR | dds is needs to be 2^x by 2^y pixels or something, right |
| 04:51.42 | SPQR | oh |
| 04:51.53 | XenoX101 | 64 bit photoshop* |
| 04:51.56 | SPQR | well i just installed the 64 bit plugin =_= |
| 04:51.57 | JademusSreg | I have both 64 bit and 32 bit PS CS 5. |
| 04:52.11 | SPQR | im cs4 though, maybe I will have better luck |
| 04:52.18 | JademusSreg | When you install 64 bit, it automatically installs 32 bit, and naturally, I had hoped to use it in 64, haha. |
| 04:52.18 | XenoX101 | cause I found that out personally but thought it was only my computer |
| 04:52.25 | XenoX101 | yeah |
| 04:54.40 | XenoX101 | does anyone know how to change a zerg egg's icon? |
| 04:54.46 | XenoX101 | er, when a unit is building? |
| 04:54.59 | XenoX101 | my viper unit shows the zergling icon for example |
| 04:55.07 | XenoX101 | when it should be something else |
| 04:56.00 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/9662-article-modelling-and-exporting-for-star-craft2/#p1 |
| 04:56.19 | JademusSreg | This topic includes a mention of the correct format for dds texture exporting |
| 04:56.36 | JademusSreg | Xeno, wat? |
| 04:56.45 | JademusSreg | I mean, unit wireframes are defined in the actor. |
| 04:56.57 | JademusSreg | Dunno what the nature of your issue is. |
| 04:57.21 | XenoX101 | not the wireframe |
| 04:57.32 | XenoX101 | you know how when you are morphing a larva |
| 04:57.34 | XenoX101 | into a zergling |
| 04:57.38 | XenoX101 | and when you click the egg |
| 04:57.47 | XenoX101 | it has the train ability with a zergling icon |
| 04:57.55 | XenoX101 | the wireframe is still the egg |
| 04:58.00 | XenoX101 | but the train ability shows a zergling icon |
| 04:58.10 | XenoX101 | and the egg shows a zergling icon |
| 04:59.15 | JademusSreg | Icons are also defined in the actor. But it could be a button issue; Commands and Info entries in the ability define their default buttons. |
| 05:00.45 | XenoX101 | yeah the funny thing is |
| 05:00.53 | XenoX101 | its set properly in the train ability |
| 05:01.01 | XenoX101 | and the icon for building the unit is right |
| 05:01.20 | XenoX101 | but somehow icon for ability != icon for ability in use |
| 05:01.34 | XenoX101 | because the egg shows different |
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| 05:03.35 | JademusSreg | I'll take a look at the data. |
| 05:03.46 | XenoX101 | that'd be awesome thanks |
| 05:03.59 | XenoX101 | it's literally that and two other bugs one which I think I can fix |
| 05:04.04 | XenoX101 | which will make my map perfect |
| 05:04.09 | XenoX101 | or, almost |
| 05:04.16 | JademusSreg | Normally I can solve it without looking, but no worries. |
| 05:05.09 | soulcarver | how do you look at a m3 file with a text editor? |
| 05:05.15 | soulcarver | will notepad work? |
| 05:05.21 | soulcarver | can you see the texture paths in it? |
| 05:05.30 | JademusSreg | I don't know anything about the m3 format. |
| 05:06.17 | soulcarver | =( |
| 05:07.46 | JademusSreg | Xeno, check the ability. |
| 05:08.24 | A1win | morning |
| 05:08.30 | JademusSreg | I assume it is a Train class ability? |
| 05:08.32 | JademusSreg | Hi A1. |
| 05:08.41 | A1win | I actually woke up at 7 am O_o what trickery is this |
| 05:09.36 | XenoX101 | it is |
| 05:09.39 | XenoX101 | A1win |
| 05:09.42 | XenoX101 | dont upload the map I sent you just yet |
| 05:09.46 | XenoX101 | working on new patch ;/ |
| 05:09.52 | A1win | :x |
| 05:10.08 | SPQR | thanks, jade |
| 05:10.14 | JademusSreg | Anyway, check the Command where you make the diamondback. |
| 05:10.20 | JademusSreg | No problem, SPQR. |
| 05:11.05 | A1win | I came up with an awesome clichéful storyline for my map \o/ ties the gameplay up nicely |
| 05:11.15 | JademusSreg | Xeno, what is the value for Button there? |
| 05:11.26 | XenoX101 | morph to viper |
| 05:11.28 | XenoX101 | which has the right icon |
| 05:11.48 | JademusSreg | Haha, oops. Diamondback != Viper |
| 05:11.49 | SPQR | how do you guys get people to playtest your maps with the BS system that bliz has implemented for custom games |
| 05:11.53 | JademusSreg | I am hilarious. |
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| 05:12.35 | A1win | SPQR, like they said in blizzcon last year, use 3rd party methods =p |
| 05:12.39 | JademusSreg | SPQR, I never had much trouble finding playtesters. You build relationships with fellow mappers, and you lend assistance as a form of currency in a social economy. |
| 05:12.50 | Agouti | ^ |
| 05:13.00 | SPQR | gotcha |
| 05:13.04 | Agouti | plus if it's a good map it's not hard to get a group of fans going |
| 05:13.19 | Agouti | set yourself up a forum and perhaps IRC channel |
| 05:13.38 | JademusSreg | Hm. Xeno, I know it shows a zergling icon, but what does the hover text say? |
| 05:13.43 | SPQR | thanks for the advice |
| 05:13.53 | XenoX101 | cancel morph to zerlging |
| 05:14.04 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Definitely a button issue, haha. |
| 05:14.31 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 05:14.34 | XenoX101 | where's the button though ;_; |
| 05:15.37 | JademusSreg | I feel very strongly it must be a problem with the value in the Info field array on the ability. |
| 05:15.53 | JademusSreg | But I can't see your data. =D |
| 05:16.02 | XenoX101 | button: morph to viper |
| 05:16.04 | XenoX101 | info: viper |
| 05:16.08 | XenoX101 | er unit: viper |
| 05:16.25 | XenoX101 | and that button has the right info |
| 05:16.30 | XenoX101 | its the one I click to train the unit |
| 05:16.51 | JademusSreg | And the correct unit morphs when it finishes? |
| 05:16.58 | XenoX101 | yes ofcourse |
| 05:17.09 | JademusSreg | Odd. |
| 05:17.21 | XenoX101 | I think there has to be another button |
| 05:17.26 | JademusSreg | If not, I could have guessed there were two Train abilities on the unit. |
| 05:17.27 | XenoX101 | "Cancel X" |
| 05:17.34 | XenoX101 | maybe |
| 05:17.41 | XenoX101 | the weirdest thing is |
| 05:17.45 | XenoX101 | swarm host works just fine |
| 05:17.50 | XenoX101 | from the eg |
| 05:17.52 | XenoX101 | egg* |
| 05:23.57 | A1win | if I want to change construction speed of all buildings with an upgrade, I need to do it separately for every building? |
| 05:24.11 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 05:24.15 | XenoX101 | well |
| 05:24.16 | XenoX101 | you can |
| 05:24.18 | XenoX101 | use a behaviour |
| 05:24.23 | JademusSreg | Time Scale |
| 05:24.24 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 05:24.27 | A1win | :x |
| 05:24.32 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 05:24.37 | A1win | hmm |
| 05:24.40 | XenoX101 | that affects everything though |
| 05:24.43 | XenoX101 | including the behaviours duration |
| 05:24.45 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 05:24.47 | XenoX101 | which is hilarious and stupid |
| 05:24.50 | A1win | heh |
| 05:25.08 | XenoX101 | I remember setting time scale to 0.01 on my phase shift ability |
| 05:25.15 | XenoX101 | then wondering why it went past its duration |
| 05:25.20 | XenoX101 | and never actually stopped |
| 05:25.29 | A1win | can I modify that behavior's time scale with an upgrade? |
| 05:25.39 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 05:25.54 | A1win | well, easy to find out |
| 05:25.56 | XenoX101 | no |
| 05:25.59 | XenoX101 | you cant |
| 05:26.02 | A1win | aww |
| 05:26.09 | XenoX101 | but you can apply and remove behaviour |
| 05:26.11 | XenoX101 | with a timescale |
| 05:26.20 | XenoX101 | it needs to be from an external source though that isn't affected by the timescale |
| 05:26.21 | XenoX101 | naturally |
| 05:26.49 | A1win | well removing the behavior would just be a unit under construction validator |
| 05:27.19 | A1win | well I suppose I'll just add a line to my unit construction started trigger |
| 05:28.08 | JademusSreg | Behavior: Stats: Time Scale Source |
| 05:28.12 | JademusSreg | Set it to Global |
| 05:28.18 | JademusSreg | Tada |
| 05:28.22 | A1win | hmm? |
| 05:29.11 | JademusSreg | Chrono Boost modifies unit time scale, and has a Global time scale source. So it is unaffected by its own time scalem od. |
| 05:29.16 | JademusSreg | *time scale mod |
| 05:29.36 | A1win | ah |
| 05:29.54 | A1win | using this to make things build faster with fewer players |
| 05:30.03 | A1win | will be fun to balance a map for 1-8 players :p |
| 05:30.29 | A1win | modifying speed at which things happen for the player's unit is probably my best bet |
| 05:30.37 | A1win | construction speed, mining speed |
| 05:30.56 | A1win | movement speed might be a bit odd thing to modify |
| 05:31.05 | JademusSreg | Naw, makes sense. |
| 05:31.56 | A1win | mmh it will still show the build time in the tooltip |
| 05:32.01 | A1win | maybe I should use an upgrade after all |
| 05:32.54 | A1win | oh well can use time scale for now and once I know I won't need to edit the build times so often anymore, I can switch to use upgrades |
| 05:35.12 | A1win | mmh what happens if I stack the behavior multiple times? |
| 05:35.29 | JademusSreg | Behaviors default to max stack 1. |
| 05:35.42 | A1win | yeah but if I change that D: |
| 05:35.49 | A1win | I mean is it additive or multiplicative scale |
| 05:36.06 | JademusSreg | But I am skeptical time scale changes from the same source are additive. Give it a try. =D |
| 05:36.17 | XenoX101 | is there any way to make a missile impact with structures |
| 05:36.19 | XenoX101 | and/or cliffs? |
| 05:36.32 | JademusSreg | Yesish. |
| 05:36.48 | XenoX101 | how |
| 05:36.48 | JademusSreg | It's not pretty, though. |
| 05:37.14 | JademusSreg | You give the missiles in question behaviors with a periodic search effect. |
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| 05:37.36 | XenoX101 | ah yeah |
| 05:37.37 | JademusSreg | And the faster they are, the less accurate the search area effwect becomes. |
| 05:37.41 | XenoX101 | does that work for cliffs? |
| 05:37.44 | JademusSreg | Nopwe. |
| 05:37.54 | XenoX101 | damn |
| 05:37.58 | JademusSreg | That would require another approach, or surrounding every cliff with units. |
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| 05:38.23 | soulcarver | anybody know how to disable to .... no unit can handle this command alert message |
| 05:38.28 | XenoX101 | eugh |
| 05:38.28 | soulcarver | i cant find it for the life of me |
| 05:43.35 | A1win | it is multiplicative :E |
| 05:44.02 | JademusSreg | Ah, so my skeptical position was right. =D |
| 05:44.08 | JademusSreg | Dunno carver. |
| 05:44.54 | Vailreth | there is a bit of a way to make the missile CT like its hitting cliffs |
| 05:45.01 | XenoX101 | is there any way to make a unit use a weapon while producing a unit? |
| 05:45.10 | XenoX101 | or while another ability is in progress? |
| 05:45.32 | Vailreth | Act like* |
| 05:45.55 | JademusSreg | Probably. Vultures can use their augment ability to queue spider mine charges and still move about. |
| 05:45.56 | A1win | so 8-(number of players) 1.1 time scale buffs would make the time scale 1 with 8 players, 1.1 with 7 players, 1.21 with 6, ... 1.77 with 2, and 1.95 with 1 |
| 05:46.49 | Vailreth | and i think the attack ability would have to be edited |
| 05:49.47 | A1win | err |
| 05:49.57 | A1win | there is a problim |
| 05:50.09 | A1win | the structure's health doesn't go up at the same rate |
| 05:50.15 | A1win | while being built |
| 05:50.43 | XenoX101 | naturally XD |
| 05:51.35 | XenoX101 | I think blizzard was either too afraid or too lazy to add flags to the time scale modifier |
| 05:51.40 | A1win | stupid to have that depend on the SCV's time scale >.< |
| 05:51.45 | XenoX101 | so they just said 'fuck it, it affects everything' |
| 05:51.54 | A1win | it doesn't |
| 05:51.57 | A1win | that's the problem |
| 05:52.01 | XenoX101 | o? |
| 05:52.05 | XenoX101 | ah |
| 05:52.06 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 05:52.16 | A1win | the health got stuck at 50% =p |
| 05:53.19 | A1win | hmmh the upgrades can modify the time multiplicatively too so I won't need to edit them so often anyway... I'll just use those then |
| 05:55.16 | A1win | errm, but are upgrades additive or multiplicative when dividing or multiplyin values? |
| 05:55.55 | A1win | if I have 7 levels of an upgrade that divides build time by 1.1 |
| 05:57.44 | JademusSreg | Xeno, [01:29:14] <JademusSreg> Chrono Boost modifies unit time scale, and has a Global time scale source. So it is unaffected by its own time scale mod. |
| 05:57.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:58.04 | JademusSreg | Not sure if you caught that earlier. |
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| 06:05.25 | A1win | mmh wondering why my game freezes for a fraction of a second when I build my first building, and is fine after that |
| 06:05.34 | XenoX101 | yeah I did, hm |
| 06:05.57 | A1win | oh yeah easy to modify the upgrade in raw data mode, copypaste ftw |
| 06:05.58 | JademusSreg | I figure it has to load an asset. |
| 06:06.25 | A1win | but it only freezes for the first building, which is command center, and not for any others after that |
| 06:06.44 | JademusSreg | Could be loading the sound asset. |
| 06:06.52 | A1win | hmm |
| 06:07.16 | JademusSreg | I figure it's just how the editor testing handles memory and shit. Not certain. |
| 06:09.53 | A1win | yay my turrets work |
| 06:10.57 | A1win | 1) build power generator 2) build turret 3) connect power generator to turret with a wire 4) supply generator with vespene gas (an ability on the generator) 5) supply perdition turret with gas (ability on the turret) 6) ready to fire! easy as that =o |
| 06:11.32 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 06:11.34 | A1win | of course your first need to get those materials to build them |
| 06:11.40 | A1win | which is another story |
| 06:11.46 | JademusSreg | SimDominion waha |
| 06:11.56 | XenoX101 | don't you hate finding data effects and validators |
| 06:12.06 | XenoX101 | and then wondering whether they are in use? |
| 06:12.14 | XenoX101 | I don't know if I actually ended up using this validator >< |
| 06:12.20 | JademusSreg | How do you mean Xeno? |
| 06:12.28 | JademusSreg | Right Click -> Used By |
| 06:12.42 | XenoX101 | ah |
| 06:12.43 | XenoX101 | is that |
| 06:12.47 | XenoX101 | accurate? |
| 06:12.49 | XenoX101 | like even actor events? |
| 06:12.53 | JademusSreg | Should be. |
| 06:13.11 | JademusSreg | Would be pointless if it weren't. =D |
| 06:14.21 | JademusSreg | Only the Actor relationship has actors above the things that use under our typical understanding. Used By for a unit doesn't list its actor, because as far the game is concerned, the actor is using the unit. |
| 06:14.56 | XenoX101 | I see |
| 06:17.38 | soulcarver | be one with the actor |
| 06:18.27 | A1win | mmh... do I need validators for the flamethrower's damage effect and its initial set effect to only allow targeting enemies and damaging enemies if they happen to wander to the search area? |
| 06:18.47 | A1win | err if others happen to wander into it that is |
| 06:19.11 | A1win | ...I can set the weapon's target filters to enemies only, but the damage effect needs a validator? |
| 06:19.44 | A1win | or the search area a filter... |
| 06:20.04 | A1win | nevermind |
| 06:22.17 | A1win | now I need a model for power relay tower |
| 06:22.35 | A1win | hmm hive mind emulator maybe |
| 06:22.57 | XenoX101 | damnit |
| 06:23.02 | XenoX101 | when a missile dies it doesn't count as an impact |
| 06:23.08 | XenoX101 | how can I make it so |
| 06:23.46 | JademusSreg | Dunno yet. |
| 06:23.51 | JademusSreg | Haven't solved that bit. |
| 06:30.42 | Enexy | in your opinions, what are the core mechanics "PvP" should have |
| 06:30.54 | Enexy | In regards to any type of pvp |
| 06:31.08 | Enexy | something they all share in common that gives players what they want |
| 06:31.33 | Enexy | and, is anyone on sc2 b.net NA to help test something? |
| 06:33.10 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:40.36 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 06:44.03 | XenoX101 | does anyone know how to stop a teleport from putting a unit |
| 06:44.05 | XenoX101 | inside a structure? |
| 06:45.28 | JademusSreg | PvP needs a goal or goals, rules that govern the means by which players may pursue those goals, mechanics that promote interaction over passivity, mechanics by which players at a disadvantage may recover, mechanics that force progression toward a goal as in some form of escalation. |
| 06:46.49 | A1win | yay my power relays are working |
| 06:46.58 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean Xeno. |
| 06:47.03 | XenoX101 | ok well |
| 06:47.11 | XenoX101 | if the missile hits a structurep |
| 06:47.13 | A1win | I even made it use the narrower cable model when connecting to or from them |
| 06:47.17 | XenoX101 | it teleports the unit inside the structure |
| 06:47.31 | XenoX101 | instead of next to it |
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| 06:47.49 | JademusSreg | Never seen that happen, haha. |
| 06:47.59 | A1win | any idea how to remove the range actor from placing hive mind emulator D: |
| 06:48.09 | A1win | I duplicated the unit but the range actor is still there |
| 06:50.04 | A1win | cause it uses the same build actor... |
| 06:51.21 | A1win | but can't figure out what creates the range actor :E |
| 06:51.43 | A1win | I duplicated the build actor and using that it still creates the range actor |
| 06:52.08 | A1win | ActorCreation -> Create TerranConstructionAttachedSmall |
| 06:52.16 | XenoX101 | ok think I fixed it |
| 06:52.37 | A1win | not quite sure what that TerranConstructionAttachedSmall actor is doing though |
| 06:52.58 | A1win | ah... just playing some animations |
| 06:53.00 | A1win | so it's not that |
| 06:57.26 | A1win | gaah |
| 06:58.41 | A1win | I hope it's not in the placement model |
| 06:59.00 | Enexy | anyone wanna help test? ;x |
| 07:03.36 | XenoX101 | anyone know how to stop a unit causing the "Units under attack" alert? |
| 07:04.28 | XenoX101 | I dont want the player to be notified |
| 07:06.53 | A1win | hmm apparently it is the hive mind emulator's "protect range" actor which is created for its mindcontrol ability |
| 07:07.01 | A1win | but that actor doesn't have any events related to building placement |
| 07:07.09 | A1win | so what's going oooon heere D: |
| 07:08.12 | A1win | the only events the actor has are "ActorOrphan -> Destroy", "Abil.MindControl.TargetOn -> Create", "Abil.MindConrol.TargetOff -> Destroy" |
| 07:08.23 | A1win | yet the actor still gets created when I'm placing the building |
| 07:11.24 | A1win | yay, found a thread on forums |
| 07:11.30 | A1win | it's based on the weapon the unit has O_o |
| 07:12.35 | A1win | but removing it didn't help either >_> |
| 07:13.25 | A1win | ummm why is the ability still linked to the unit even though the unit doesn't have the ability |
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| 07:21.39 | A1win | now the ability disappeared from the unit's editor references since I removed an actor event from its actor, but the range actor is still appearing when placing the unit >_> |
| 07:22.57 | A1win | mmh the solution must be either in the unit or its actor because those are the only things I duplicated |
| 07:24.10 | A1win | O_o I changed the placement model on the actor and the range actor disappeared |
| 07:24.20 | A1win | I thought models are just... models |
| 07:25.25 | A1win | maybe if I duplicate the placement model it'll lose the reference... |
| 07:30.49 | A1win | victoryy |
| 07:31.40 | A1win | now to figure out how to make my own range actor appear there when placing buildings that use power =p |
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| 07:53.47 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-11-05%2009_53_09.jpg |
| 07:55.23 | XenoX101 | that looks pretty badass A1win |
| 07:56.36 | XenoX101 | just be careful with how many resources you put in |
| 07:56.52 | XenoX101 | I wouldn't put more than 4 |
| 07:57.06 | XenoX101 | with maybe power being a 5th |
| 07:57.30 | A1win | pssh ;> |
| 07:57.44 | A1win | that'd be boring |
| 07:58.37 | A1win | I noticed this kind of gameplay needs complexity to be interesting on the long run |
| 07:58.51 | A1win | when playing minecraft with IndustrialCraft and BuildCraft mods |
| 07:59.10 | A1win | it was awesome for a while but then we just had done pretty much everything that can be done, and that was it |
| 07:59.36 | XenoX101 | the problem is then you're just adding shit to the mould |
| 07:59.52 | XenoX101 | if you've 'pretty much done everything' |
| 07:59.55 | XenoX101 | thats a sign of a bad game |
| 07:59.59 | XenoX101 | not that there needs to be more to be done |
| 08:00.14 | XenoX101 | you don't add extra keys to a piano to make it betetr |
| 08:00.22 | A1win | well that gameplay lacked any goals |
| 08:00.23 | XenoX101 | better* |
| 08:00.26 | A1win | it was just sandbox |
| 08:00.27 | XenoX101 | exactly |
| 08:00.42 | XenoX101 | so define some goals that you can achieve |
| 08:00.44 | XenoX101 | in creative ways |
| 08:00.55 | XenoX101 | and give people a platform to be as creative as they can |
| 08:01.01 | XenoX101 | so that they don't figure everything out |
| 08:01.09 | XenoX101 | you can do that with just 4 resources |
| 08:01.18 | XenoX101 | the problem with having more than 4 in my opinion is that |
| 08:01.31 | XenoX101 | you force the player too much into choosing one thing over there |
| 08:01.43 | XenoX101 | each resource loses its potential |
| 08:01.52 | XenoX101 | so that when you get resource Z |
| 08:01.57 | XenoX101 | you can only do a set few things with it |
| 08:02.13 | XenoX101 | whereas if you have only 4 resources, each resource is all the more interesting |
| 08:02.39 | XenoX101 | you can do more with each resource so you can change your mind a lot more |
| 08:02.53 | A1win | that doesn't work with the progressive gameplay I have planned |
| 08:03.05 | XenoX101 | it can still be progressive |
| 08:03.30 | XenoX101 | but juggling more than 4 resources |
| 08:03.31 | XenoX101 | is a pain |
| 08:03.39 | XenoX101 | even if you don't use the first one as much |
| 08:03.54 | A1win | most of the resources are made from other resources |
| 08:04.05 | A1win | there aren't *that* many resources you get from the environment |
| 08:04.34 | A1win | well not most but some |
| 08:05.27 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 08:05.28 | A1win | and there will be interesting choises to be made on how to use each resource |
| 08:05.52 | A1win | I already removed a few resources because they were too similar to others |
| 08:06.35 | XenoX101 | well then do it this way |
| 08:06.36 | A1win | now the only resources that are similar to each other are iron and aluminium, but they are gained in different amounts and are used for different purposes |
| 08:06.40 | XenoX101 | have 4 core resources |
| 08:06.52 | XenoX101 | and below that have another say 2-3 secondary resources |
| 08:06.56 | XenoX101 | but make sure they are below that |
| 08:07.00 | XenoX101 | and give them a different colour text |
| 08:07.06 | XenoX101 | to show that they are simply composites |
| 08:07.36 | XenoX101 | so that people can say 'ok I mine these four resources' |
| 08:07.43 | XenoX101 | 'and then I can make these 3 with them' |
| 08:07.49 | A1win | I'm not sure what you're getting at D: it sounds less interesting than the way it's now |
| 08:08.03 | XenoX101 | just highlight that the other resources are composites |
| 08:08.13 | XenoX101 | by making the text yellow |
| 08:08.16 | XenoX101 | and putting them below the main ones |
| 08:08.17 | A1win | why :P |
| 08:08.29 | XenoX101 | because otherwise it looks like there are 6 resources to mine |
| 08:08.31 | A1win | the players already know they are because they made them themselves |
| 08:08.47 | XenoX101 | you know why Cossacks was a shit RTS? |
| 08:08.49 | XenoX101 | it had 8 resources |
| 08:08.55 | A1win | the resources they don't yet have are greyed out |
| 08:08.58 | XenoX101 | spent all your fucking time figuring out which resource to get |
| 08:09.06 | XenoX101 | and none of your time actually using them |
| 08:09.19 | A1win | this is a resource management game |
| 08:09.24 | XenoX101 | well yeah |
| 08:09.54 | XenoX101 | but you should make it clear to the player what they're dealing with |
| 08:10.06 | A1win | I do |
| 08:10.07 | XenoX101 | I would stop playing the game if I saw |
| 08:10.10 | XenoX101 | 6 resources at the top |
| 08:10.15 | XenoX101 | without any indication of what they are |
| 08:10.22 | XenoX101 | or that they combine or whatever |
| 08:10.36 | XenoX101 | because that looks to me like a mapmaker who is adding as much shit as possible |
| 08:10.37 | A1win | obviously D: |
| 08:10.39 | XenoX101 | to make his map interesting |
| 08:10.45 | XenoX101 | not saying you are |
| 08:10.49 | XenoX101 | but thats what it looks like |
| 08:11.01 | XenoX101 | anyway |
| 08:11.01 | A1win | that's because I used a cheat that adds 1000 of each |
| 08:11.02 | A1win | :P |
| 08:11.16 | A1win | you start with 0 of all but one resource and rest are greyed out |
| 08:11.49 | A1win | and start getting them one by one |
| 08:12.10 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 08:12.34 | XenoX101 | composites should be seperate though |
| 08:12.37 | XenoX101 | think about the periodic table |
| 08:12.39 | A1win | actually you might even start with 0 of all and have to salvage the first metals from damaged buildings |
| 08:12.44 | XenoX101 | you don't have natural elements |
| 08:12.51 | XenoX101 | looking the same as composites |
| 08:13.03 | XenoX101 | they have combination of letters |
| 08:13.19 | XenoX101 | er, maybe a bad example but |
| 08:13.21 | XenoX101 | you get the point |
| 08:13.26 | A1win | all resources have their own icon |
| 08:13.30 | A1win | should be clear enough |
| 08:13.45 | A1win | and those are just placeholder icons until I get custom ones |
| 08:14.31 | XenoX101 | no more than 6 resources then |
| 08:14.35 | XenoX101 | more than 6 is silly |
| 08:15.02 | XenoX101 | 6 resources + power |
| 08:15.04 | A1win | nope ;p |
| 08:15.11 | A1win | there will be much more |
| 08:15.14 | XenoX101 | ;/ |
| 08:15.19 | XenoX101 | well its up to you ofc |
| 08:15.24 | XenoX101 | but I think having more than 6 wil |
| 08:15.28 | XenoX101 | make it too convoluted |
| 08:15.55 | A1win | I'm not aiming this for every player there is, but I'll try to make it as easy to get into as I can |
| 08:16.15 | XenoX101 | thats the key to any game |
| 08:16.18 | XenoX101 | easy to learn hard to master |
| 08:17.03 | A1win | but I'm quite confident that getting hold of more and more resources over time will work out just fine |
| 08:17.34 | XenoX101 | just don't make the game more complicated |
| 08:17.39 | XenoX101 | for the sake of being more complicated |
| 08:19.38 | A1win | I'm not adding a resource and then figuring out what to do with it ;p |
| 08:20.31 | A1win | that power icon at the top is not even the power resource, it's the "power cables" resource |
| 08:20.53 | XenoX101 | ;/ |
| 08:20.54 | A1win | I made it a separate resource so that you can get refunds from your removed power cables without it being silly |
| 08:21.04 | A1win | and that you actually need to craft it first |
| 08:21.15 | XenoX101 | what do you mean without it being 'silly' |
| 08:21.21 | XenoX101 | why would it be silly without a seperate resource? |
| 08:21.26 | A1win | you can't turn a power cable into vespene gas |
| 08:21.40 | XenoX101 | how do you make a power cable |
| 08:21.56 | A1win | aluminium + vespene gas (for plastic insulation) |
| 08:22.02 | XenoX101 | then...? |
| 08:22.12 | A1win | then you have it D: |
| 08:22.24 | XenoX101 | I mean why can't you turn it into vespene gas |
| 08:22.27 | XenoX101 | if thats what its made of |
| 08:22.51 | XenoX101 | I don't think you should worry so much about realism |
| 08:22.51 | A1win | well I suppose you could process it somehow |
| 08:23.02 | XenoX101 | it's more important to keep things simple and conducive of good gameplay |
| 08:23.54 | XenoX101 | btw I sent you localized version of my map |
| 08:23.55 | XenoX101 | for upload |
| 08:24.01 | XenoX101 | if you could please do so that'd be awesome :) |
| 08:24.20 | XenoX101 | should only need to upload since they're localized |
| 08:24.54 | A1win | "we need more vespene gas, hey let's remove some of our power cables" just doesn't sound very good |
| 08:25.19 | XenoX101 | then don't make them salvageable |
| 08:25.48 | XenoX101 | if you have a resource for a single component |
| 08:25.56 | XenoX101 | to me that's not good game design |
| 08:26.08 | XenoX101 | but it's up to you |
| 08:27.12 | A1win | call them items then, and the resource display your inventory |
| 08:27.28 | XenoX101 | thats misleading then |
| 08:27.39 | A1win | I didn't mean I will |
| 08:27.47 | A1win | I meant just think of it from that perspective |
| 08:27.53 | XenoX101 | and why would anyone want to salvage power cables |
| 08:28.02 | XenoX101 | only to have to make them again? |
| 08:28.13 | XenoX101 | the benefit of salvaging is that you can repuporse |
| 08:28.15 | XenoX101 | repurpose |
| 08:28.21 | XenoX101 | if you can't repurpose there's no point in salvaging |
| 08:28.40 | A1win | you need power cables as materials for some structures as well |
| 08:28.51 | A1win | and you can always build them to another place |
| 08:29.17 | XenoX101 | eh that sounds complicated |
| 08:29.22 | XenoX101 | you have to remember people playing the game |
| 08:29.35 | XenoX101 | won't be able to figure out all of this stuff so easily |
| 08:30.26 | A1win | all the resource costs are visible in the tooltips |
| 08:30.42 | A1win | salvaging is there so that you can undo your mistakes |
| 08:31.10 | A1win | or some of them |
| 08:32.27 | A1win | example tooltip (power should probably be in the cost display as well): http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-11-05%2010_30_05.jpg |
| 08:34.02 | A1win | yeah I have enGB locale visible now |
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| 08:40.22 | A1win | anyway I don't know exactly which resources I will have in the end but I'm not trying to keep them to a minimum, but to a reasonable maximum |
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| 08:42.50 | A1win | the map is about crafting things, and getting materials to craft them from, and if everything could be crafted from the same 4 or so materials, there wouldn't be much depth to it |
| 08:43.31 | A1win | in SC2, things have tech restrictions, this map restricts crafting by requiring resources the players don't yet have |
| 08:45.26 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 08:46.43 | A1win | hmm |
| 08:46.54 | A1win | the tal'darim map seems corrupt somehow, or something |
| 08:47.05 | A1win | or the texts |
| 08:47.22 | A1win | even the trigger names are missing |
| 08:47.54 | A1win | other 3 were fine and already published |
| 08:48.53 | A1win | XenoX101, ^ |
| 08:49.55 | A1win | I'll take a shower |
| 08:50.50 | XenoX101 | hm really |
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| 09:03.43 | A1win | back |
| 09:04.37 | A1win | XenoX101, same problem still |
| 09:04.56 | XenoX101 | k I redownloaded the map |
| 09:04.59 | XenoX101 | and am applying the assets etc |
| 09:05.13 | XenoX101 | so whatever issue will be the map itself |
| 09:05.16 | XenoX101 | if any |
| 09:06.51 | XenoX101 | yeah strange |
| 09:06.54 | XenoX101 | I can see the problem |
| 09:07.05 | XenoX101 | I think its prioritizing korean localization |
| 09:07.05 | XenoX101 | or something |
| 09:07.24 | XenoX101 | cause tal'darim is korean made map |
| 09:08.37 | A1win | mmh |
| 09:10.39 | XenoX101 | ok I think I fixed it |
| 09:10.44 | XenoX101 | forcing enUS localization |
| 09:10.47 | XenoX101 | as the primary |
| 09:10.58 | XenoX101 | so I think it copied that data to the others |
| 09:11.22 | XenoX101 | should work now |
| 09:16.36 | A1win | seems so |
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| 09:24.00 | XenoX101 | awesome |
| 09:24.23 | XenoX101 | so all 4 uploaded now? |
| 09:26.35 | A1win | yup |
| 09:27.15 | XenoX101 | awesome, thanks man |
| 09:27.17 | XenoX101 | really appreciate it |
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| 10:26.29 | A1win | does anyone know how to create a range actor on a building when placing it? |
| 10:26.44 | A1win | just like turrets have |
| 10:27.10 | A1win | I couldn't figure out how to disable them from the turrets except by changing their build actor, so I don't know how to do it the other way round either |
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| 10:40.17 | A1win | hmm maybe if I use cursor effect instead... could get it to search for close enough power sources as well |
| 10:40.58 | A1win | except that can build abilities even use a cursor effect |
| 10:41.23 | A1win | I guess not |
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| 12:09.37 | XenoX101 | seperate actor A1win |
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| 13:51.10 | A1win | XenoX101, I can only find the actor that shows the range, but I can't find what creates the actor |
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| 15:01.00 | A1win | all the range actors that work this way seem to refer to a weapon... |
| 15:01.31 | A1win | except with hive mind emulator, and still don't know how that unit creates its placement range actor |
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| 16:02.50 | Kueken | a1win: |
| 16:03.04 | Kueken | did you try a custom placement model actor? |
| 16:03.18 | A1win | placement model actor? |
| 16:03.41 | Kueken | every unit actor has a field called Placement Model |
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| 16:03.49 | A1win | yes... but those are models, not actors |
| 16:03.53 | Kueken | which links to an actor |
| 16:03.58 | A1win | nope |
| 16:04.26 | Kueken | Art - Placement Model |
| 16:04.30 | Kueken | links to an actor |
| 16:04.35 | Kueken | called PlacementModel |
| 16:04.46 | Kueken | what you mean is |
| 16:04.52 | Kueken | Art - Model (Placement) |
| 16:04.57 | Kueken | which links to a model |
| 16:05.00 | A1win | O_o |
| 16:05.07 | A1win | ohh |
| 16:05.27 | A1win | never noticed that since it's same for all actors by default |
| 16:05.39 | Kueken | yes |
| 16:05.53 | Kueken | because all actors use the same placement actor by default |
| 16:05.59 | A1win | mm... I'll try |
| 16:06.00 | Kueken | but you can use a custom one |
| 16:06.08 | Kueken | and make it create the range actor |
| 16:06.22 | A1win | ahah |
| 16:06.31 | A1win | the PlacementModel actor has all the events I was missing |
| 16:06.45 | A1win | creating the protectrange actors and so on |
| 16:06.54 | A1win | could just add to that |
| 16:07.01 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 16:07.07 | Kueken | lazy bastards @ blizzard |
| 16:07.11 | A1win | hehe |
| 16:07.51 | Kueken | and I just started to wonder, where the hive mind emulators custom placement model actor would be.. |
| 16:08.03 | A1win | yup... |
| 16:09.02 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 16:09.20 | Kueken | I salute you for succeeding. |
| 16:09.51 | Kueken | hm |
| 16:10.04 | Kueken | you sure, you are awake? |
| 16:10.18 | Kueken | otherwise I have to withdraw my statement |
| 16:12.36 | A1win | yay it works |
| 16:13.09 | Kueken | you should be able to set the range yourself, or let the range actor pull it from a weapon or ability |
| 16:13.21 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:13.32 | A1win | yeah it takes it from the ability using the ability link |
| 16:14.34 | A1win | now I don't need to guess whether the building is close enough to draw a power cable anymore =p |
| 16:14.45 | Kueken | well |
| 16:14.56 | Kueken | actually the actors seem to be a little off at times |
| 16:15.08 | Kueken | try it first |
| 16:15.18 | A1win | yeah I'm trying all the time ;p |
| 16:15.19 | Kueken | maybe you need to adjust some settings |
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| 16:15.30 | A1win | it works fine |
| 16:15.36 | Kueken | like the Extend by Unit radius flag |
| 16:15.40 | Kueken | it does? |
| 16:15.42 | Kueken | okay then |
| 16:15.50 | A1win | I already had the range actor working when using the ability |
| 16:15.57 | Kueken | :) |
| 16:16.03 | A1win | I just needed it to show up when placing the unit as well |
| 16:17.39 | A1win | hmm where's that setting anyway? |
| 16:18.03 | A1win | it seems to extend the actor by the radius anyway, but I don't remember even seeing that flag |
| 16:18.42 | Kueken | its not in the actor, now that I think about it is used in search and damage effects |
| 16:19.06 | Kueken | and the issue with the actor being inaccurate was related to using them with those effects |
| 16:19.15 | A1win | ah |
| 16:19.16 | Kueken | for ability range it seems to work just fine |
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| 16:28.06 | A1win | eeh why are my rock death models not scaled properly on low model settings |
| 16:28.42 | A1win | or maybe I have wrong low models... |
| 16:35.53 | A1win | err... now I changed the scale and now it's too small on high model setting |
| 16:36.29 | A1win | someone wanna explain how death models are supposed to be set up? >.< |
| 16:39.07 | A1win | the death model just scales differently on low and high settings no matter if I scale the actor or the model |
| 16:40.44 | A1win | there is a setting for low quality model though... |
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| 16:49.20 | A1win | well at least that worked... seems weird though |
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| 16:58.01 | Daara | FOOTBALL |
| 16:59.46 | Daara | i hate when espn has nascar on espn on saturdays |
| 17:00.03 | Daara | waste of a slot |
| 17:00.07 | Daara | wtb more football |
| 17:02.01 | JademusSreg | I don't watch any sports, but I can agree that nascar is the most pointless. |
| 17:08.15 | Aelia | depends how much you like cars |
| 17:09.37 | Daara | I love cars... |
| 17:09.48 | Daara | but Nascar isn't about cars |
| 17:10.18 | Daara | even though they are pretty much the whole thing |
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| 17:10.59 | Daara | All of those things have almost exactly the same bodies, engines, etc. |
| 17:11.14 | Daara | and they only make left turns |
| 17:11.24 | Daara | and like 500 laps...YAWN |
| 17:11.31 | Daara | give me a real race |
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| 17:37.36 | A1win | uh... I need to return trigger-based resources from a canceled building, but Buil7 - Collide ability stage occurs also when the structure completes, and "unit is under construction" returns true during that event... |
| 17:46.44 | A1win | oh, there is no triggering ability target unit in those cases |
| 17:47.13 | A1win | well that's... eh |
| 17:49.19 | A1win | do I need to make a workaround and just consume the resources again when the building completes >_> |
| 17:49.54 | Daara | there should be one |
| 17:50.02 | A1win | great... collide isn't even executed when the ability is canceled while the building is in queue |
| 17:50.17 | A1win | should be one what? |
| 17:50.47 | Daara | you want resources to be refunded when you cancel a building? |
| 17:51.24 | A1win | yeah... like in melee, it spends the resources when you give the order, and refunds the resources if it's canceled |
| 17:52.06 | Daara | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.25 | A1win | yeah.. that doesn't occur when the building is canceled by something standing in the way |
| 17:52.28 | A1win | only collide works for that |
| 17:52.39 | A1win | but collide also occurs when the structure is completed, which seems silly |
| 17:52.53 | Daara | hmm |
| 17:53.03 | A1win | these events overlap weirdly :\ |
| 17:53.25 | Daara | it should work |
| 17:53.27 | Daara | because either way |
| 17:53.37 | Daara | it's getting cancelled |
| 17:53.44 | A1win | yeah but it doesn't ;p |
| 17:54.15 | A1win | I used canceled before, and it worked just fine... except when someone stood in the way and it interrupted that way |
| 17:54.25 | A1win | that was the only case it didn't work, and now I can't find a way to fix it |
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| 17:55.29 | Daara | soulcarver: is that meteor ok? |
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| 18:00.08 | Stewox | kueken |
| 18:00.15 | Stewox | i made stuff on my self |
| 18:00.31 | Stewox | and got some Aura tutorial that includes to make a Persistent |
| 18:00.52 | Stewox | also the tower's 2nd weapon needs to be off |
| 18:01.12 | Daara | you made a working leveling aura ability? |
| 18:01.26 | Stewox | but Vailreth told me that i should disable the weapon and i'll be keep sure it's disabled but enabled when the behavior enablis it |
| 18:01.33 | Stewox | but the problem is , the aura is not working |
| 18:01.38 | Stewox | no idea ... |
| 18:01.48 | Stewox | i can't make sure if it's working or not either |
| 18:02.54 | Daara | i got a working aura but i haven't figured out how to make it on an ability without it no longer applying the aura |
| 18:04.22 | Stewox | kueken i sent you the map file |
| 18:05.02 | Stewox | ... PING me to respond , i'll be in-game BF3 |
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| 18:28.21 | A1win | woohoo workarounds ftw |
| 18:28.52 | A1win | I saved into a boolean whether the player is constructing or not so I could make the ability stage checks accurate |
| 18:35.59 | Kueken | stewox |
| 18:36.12 | Kueken | sending didnt work |
| 18:36.28 | Stewox | oh |
| 18:37.02 | Stewox | try now |
| 18:37.14 | Kueken | doesn't start |
| 18:37.22 | Kueken | same happened yesterday |
| 18:37.30 | Kueken | when you tried to send the video |
| 18:38.24 | Stewox | ah |
| 18:38.29 | Stewox | something wrong with client then |
| 18:38.41 | Stewox | http://www.mediafire.com/?0kzlerb6a6alsp2 |
| 18:38.59 | Kueken | that worked ;) |
| 18:39.03 | Stewox | ok |
| 18:39.06 | Stewox | brb BF3 |
| 18:39.41 | Stewox | or if im not back in next 10 minutes , i'll be later an hour or so on another PC |
| 19:13.29 | Daara | michigan just got robbed |
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| 19:28.13 | Tealmeld | Anyone know how to create an effect on unit death? I want a unit to deal AoE damage as it dies. |
| 19:29.21 | A1win | give the unit a behavior and execute the effect when the behavior expires/is removed? (dunno which one works, if either) |
| 19:30.22 | A1win | or actually there are Combat: Damage Response - Handled and Exhausted fields too |
| 19:30.29 | A1win | and you ca nset Fatal to enabled |
| 19:30.52 | A1win | exhausted = Effect that is applied to the unit when its response to the damage is over |
| 19:31.12 | A1win | so set damage response - chance to 1, Fatal to Enabled, and use the Exhausted effect D: |
| 19:31.31 | A1win | *exhausted field for the effect |
| 19:32.08 | Daara | just copy what the baneling does |
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| 19:34.04 | Tealmeld | Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 19:34.09 | tehbone | does anybody know an easy way to have a few orbs oribt around a unit? |
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| 19:43.14 | pirate | yarr |
| 19:43.25 | pirate | who's currently making serious polished mods? |
| 19:43.30 | pirate | this is serious |
| 19:49.55 | JademusSreg | Modding is srs bsns. |
| 19:53.01 | tehbone | can't find any not old information about actors orbiting around units |
| 19:53.11 | A1win | my creations are always polished... and mostly unfinished |
| 19:53.15 | tehbone | aynbody able to help? |
| 19:53.24 | JademusSreg | Hah, A1. |
| 19:53.31 | JademusSreg | teh, I've never heard of the issue. |
| 19:53.44 | Tealmeld | do you know how to spin an actor in an axis? |
| 19:54.02 | Daara | i think i have enough electronics in my room |
| 19:54.32 | tehbone | don't know anything about actor movement yet :S |
| 19:54.41 | pirate | the most of serious |
| 19:54.43 | JademusSreg | Simulating wc3 orb items? |
| 19:55.11 | tehbone | yeah |
| 19:55.12 | Daara | Wii, PS3, 360, PC, 46" plasma, PC connected to said tv, DVD/Bluray player, Laptop, and stereo surround sound :D |
| 19:55.17 | tehbone | but without the item |
| 19:55.40 | JademusSreg | I'd sooner get a custom model than bother with that nonsense. |
| 19:55.56 | Daara | if you try to bring them in from WoW they don't work |
| 19:56.00 | Daara | PARTICLES |
| 19:56.03 | Daara | !!!!!!!! |
| 19:56.06 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:56.38 | Daara | almost every wow spell uses particles |
| 19:56.58 | tehbone | is it really that hard to have something spin around a unit? -.- |
| 19:57.40 | Daara | i think it is |
| 19:57.44 | Daara | really hard |
| 19:58.04 | Daara | oh btw jade |
| 19:58.13 | Daara | ihttp://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/3347-wc3-hero-unit-library/ |
| 19:58.25 | Daara | shows how to make leveling auras |
| 19:58.44 | Kueken | well |
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| 19:58.53 | Kueken | spinning works |
| 19:58.57 | Kueken | you can for example |
| 19:59.05 | Kueken | attach a dark warp prism |
| 19:59.13 | Kueken | make it play the work animation |
| 19:59.16 | Kueken | then it spins |
| 19:59.33 | Kueken | now you attach somethinng to any of its spinning attachment points |
| 19:59.47 | Kueken | and make the warp prism transparent |
| 20:01.15 | tehbone | sounds really stupid :) now i need a guide on how to attach one actor to another |
| 20:01.29 | tehbone | never learned anything about actors. damin |
| 20:02.22 | JademusSreg | How does that concern me? |
| 20:06.16 | Daara | it's not hard tehbone |
| 20:06.38 | Daara | unit birth. (unit) |
| 20:06.46 | Daara | create |
| 20:06.50 | Daara | actor |
| 20:10.50 | tehbone | okay |
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| 20:31.57 | tehbone | okay first step done, no i've got a giant dark warpprism in normal mode overhead of my zealot |
| 20:32.22 | tehbone | what do i have to do to bring t in phasing mode? |
| 20:33.20 | tehbone | aka where do i choose the animation my persisten model is playing |
| 20:33.33 | ________________ | actor |
| 20:33.40 | ________________ | animation play or animation bracket start |
| 20:33.54 | tehbone | the warp prism or zealot actor? |
| 20:43.23 | Tealmeld | How do I put a dialog over a unit? |
| 20:43.44 | Tealmeld | like some pixels above where the unit is located on the UI |
| 20:45.08 | Tealmeld | is there a way to detect if a player has moved his mouse over a unit? |
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| 20:53.11 | tehbone | there is a unit selected event |
| 20:53.18 | tehbone | not sure about mouseover |
| 20:53.28 | Stewox | back |
| 20:54.08 | Stewox | kueken ... found anything ? |
| 20:54.16 | Kueken | re-upload please |
| 20:54.29 | Kueken | my editor refuses to open your map |
| 20:54.37 | Kueken | even after downloading multiple times |
| 20:55.20 | Stewox | there's notthing wrong with the map |
| 20:55.32 | Stewox | that i know |
| 20:55.36 | tehbone | maybe the upload failed |
| 20:55.36 | Stewox | maybe name change ? |
| 20:55.45 | tehbone | happens from time to time |
| 20:55.59 | Kueken | thats my guess as well |
| 20:57.43 | Stewox | http://www.mediafire.com/?evrt54mg1rq669i |
| 20:58.06 | Stewox | i renamed it manually |
| 20:58.06 | Stewox | maybe that |
| 20:58.22 | Stewox | check date/size now for distinguish , it's named identically as original |
| 21:00.46 | Stewox | kueken with that aura in mind, vailreth told me to use the second weapon settings "disable" always and it should work |
| 21:01.05 | Stewox | but we don't know since the aura is not working at all or no way to know if it does work |
| 21:01.42 | Kueken | so |
| 21:01.51 | Kueken | what exactly did you do? |
| 21:03.45 | Kueken | here we go |
| 21:04.05 | Kueken | your assist targeting scanner behavior |
| 21:04.11 | Kueken | set period to -1 |
| 21:04.15 | Kueken | and stack count to 1 |
| 21:04.34 | Kueken | your request area radius |
| 21:04.38 | Kueken | remove the validator |
| 21:04.52 | Kueken | and add it do the apply enabling behavior |
| 21:06.10 | Kueken | sorry |
| 21:06.23 | Kueken | period to a low value |
| 21:06.28 | tehbone | i canT' get the warpprism to open :( |
| 21:06.28 | Kueken | period count to -1 |
| 21:06.44 | Kueken | tehbone: open the warp prisms Events+ field |
| 21:07.00 | Kueken | you will see something like AnimBracketStart Birth Stand Death |
| 21:07.10 | Kueken | for the Stand part |
| 21:07.14 | Kueken | add Work |
| 21:07.19 | tehbone | persisten warp prism actor? |
| 21:07.22 | Kueken | so it combines to Stand Work |
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| 21:07.44 | Kueken | the actor of your attached warp prism you want to unfold |
| 21:08.20 | Kueken | stewox: and you need to decide on the level of accuracy for your aura |
| 21:08.32 | Kueken | maximum interval is 0.0625 |
| 21:08.49 | tehbone | there is actor creatio -> animbracketstart bsd |
| 21:08.56 | Kueken | Blizzard uses 0.25 for their guardian shield |
| 21:09.04 | Kueken | tehbone: exactly |
| 21:09.12 | Kueken | select the animbracket thingy |
| 21:09.15 | tehbone | and i add a term into this with animplay? |
| 21:09.21 | Kueken | no term |
| 21:09.25 | Kueken | modify the message |
| 21:09.39 | Kueken | find the part which says "Stand |
| 21:09.40 | Kueken | " |
| 21:09.48 | Kueken | and add a "Work" |
| 21:09.51 | tehbone | got it |
| 21:10.52 | tehbone | hm my fps drops a bit if i open bf3 and sc2 :D |
| 21:10.55 | Kueken | ;) |
| 21:11.07 | Kueken | note that it is important to use the dark warp prism model |
| 21:11.14 | Kueken | the normal one does not turn |
| 21:11.21 | tehbone | found a farmng points and editing maps |
| 21:11.32 | tehbone | *farming map |
| 21:12.07 | tehbone | done :) a giant spinnging warpprism |
| 21:12.27 | Kueken | now attach something to the warp prism |
| 21:12.38 | Kueken | to one of the attachment points, which turn with the model |
| 21:12.42 | tehbone | the same way i attached the warppsim to my zealot? |
| 21:12.56 | Kueken | for example the Target attachment points |
| 21:13.11 | Kueken | no idea how you did it, but most likely its similar |
| 21:14.09 | tehbone | all the att points are centered, how do i get the orb out of my zealot? |
| 21:14.45 | Kueken | not all are centered |
| 21:14.58 | Kueken | target01 to 03 or something are not |
| 21:15.10 | Kueken | also you can use local offset site operations to move them |
| 21:15.11 | tehbone | how i did this: the warp prism is a model actor with a persistenfx model |
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| 21:18.03 | tehbone | target 1 and 2 are in the wings... can't find target 3... |
| 21:18.50 | Kueken | maybe there is none |
| 21:18.54 | Kueken | I wasnt sure |
| 21:19.24 | Kueken | did you manage to attach something to the warp prism? |
| 21:19.26 | Frostwind | hi...... |
| 21:23.50 | tehbone | not yet, had to respawn^^ |
| 21:24.35 | Frostwind | anyone wanna start a SC2 project with me? |
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| 21:27.20 | Aelia | Frostwind: dont you ever get bored? |
| 21:27.31 | Aelia | dont you ever feel like youre wasting your time here? |
| 21:27.44 | Aelia | its pretty much the same people here every tmie you ask |
| 21:27.45 | Frostwind | I am bored. I have no project to work on |
| 21:27.53 | Aelia | start one on your own |
| 21:27.59 | Aelia | if an rpg is too big, make something smaller |
| 21:28.15 | Frostwind | I have no partner to start a project with |
| 21:28.33 | Kueken | then make one all by yourself ;) |
| 21:29.05 | Frostwind | I can't model or make textures. So I can't |
| 21:29.34 | Kueken | why would you need models and textures for every project? |
| 21:29.46 | Frostwind | Because its fantasy |
| 21:30.03 | Kueken | ah, so you have a specific project in mind? |
| 21:30.11 | Frostwind | no |
| 21:30.18 | Frostwind | just fantasy |
| 21:33.03 | Kueken | then do the important stuff first and leave the graphics for later |
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| 21:33.23 | Kueken | will be easier, once the art tools are released anyway |
| 21:33.47 | Kueken | otherwise there are always wow models, which are fairly easy to use, afaik |
| 21:34.55 | Frostwind | I still need a partner |
| 21:35.25 | tehbone | why? |
| 21:36.08 | Frostwind | to start the project with me. help with ideas, and help work on the project |
| 21:36.57 | Stewox | tnx kueken ... i'll do that now (was playing sc2) |
| 21:37.04 | Kueken | well, you could start working on it, come up with some ideas on your own, then make a post in the team recruitment forum |
| 21:37.08 | Stewox | ah the scan rate |
| 21:37.16 | Kueken | presenting what you did and what you have in mind |
| 21:37.19 | Stewox | blizzard uses an awfully large value |
| 21:37.23 | Stewox | 0.25 is huge |
| 21:37.24 | Kueken | might attract more ppl |
| 21:37.28 | Aelia | he wants to make a fantasy rpg in sc2 |
| 21:37.35 | Aelia | which i think is a pretty bad idea anyhow |
| 21:37.44 | Aelia | since there are almost no assets you can use |
| 21:37.47 | Kueken | Stewox: they are probably concerned about performance |
| 21:37.58 | Stewox | as i would gather yes indeed |
| 21:38.11 | Stewox | but come on , somebody sould make their engines a bit ... better |
| 21:38.12 | Kueken | also it does not matter that much, if guardian shield lasts .25 secs longer |
| 21:38.18 | Aelia | Frostwind: the other thing is |
| 21:38.21 | Kueken | why should they? |
| 21:38.26 | Aelia | just use sc2 models and textures for now |
| 21:38.34 | Kueken | in WC3 auras had a 2 to 4 secs delay on purpose |
| 21:38.44 | Stewox | ...generally they didn't had great engines in terms of what the competition has |
| 21:38.47 | Aelia | if you had a whole game complete besides models and textures you would have much better luck finding someone willing to help |
| 21:39.30 | Stewox | Sounds have to be compressed or else it's too hard on the engine Blizzcon2011 said for Diablo 3 , kind of sad they can't use 5.1 full quality stuff |
| 21:39.53 | Stewox | not talkinga bout delay |
| 21:39.55 | Stewox | about scan rate |
| 21:40.00 | Stewox | the register field |
| 21:40.06 | Stewox | if it's too large |
| 21:40.17 | Stewox | a shot might get through unregistered - guardian shield |
| 21:40.38 | Kueken | ? |
| 21:40.50 | Stewox | you don't understand ? |
| 21:41.11 | Kueken | not sure what you are talking about with a shot getting through guardian shield |
| 21:41.25 | Stewox | the aura is scanning for unit entry in radius |
| 21:41.34 | Kueken | yes |
| 21:41.35 | Stewox | how much is the radius ticking is the accuracy you mentioned |
| 21:41.45 | Stewox | the scan rate ... if it's too large |
| 21:41.51 | Kueken | every .25 secs is checked for new units |
| 21:41.53 | Stewox | something might not get registered/scanned |
| 21:41.54 | Frostwind | also part of my system requires a custom animation |
| 21:41.59 | Kueken | and the buff is applied for .5 units |
| 21:42.06 | Kueken | but it doesnt check for any shots |
| 21:42.16 | Kueken | it just applys a buff, which reduces incoming damage |
| 21:42.17 | Stewox | no that shots was an example |
| 21:42.23 | Frostwind | since you can't play 2 animations at the same time |
| 21:42.23 | Kueken | for that its perfectly fine |
| 21:42.24 | Stewox | ah |
| 21:42.53 | Stewox | so it doesn't really modify actual weapon object sheell or bullet |
| 21:42.59 | Kueken | no |
| 21:43.14 | Kueken | it just modifys allied units |
| 21:43.18 | Stewox | ok ... yeah im more used to the sophisticated stuff that's in other games .:p |
| 21:43.25 | Stewox | i thought so but it's more simpler here |
| 21:43.29 | Kueken | well |
| 21:43.47 | Kueken | how to say this... |
| 21:43.51 | Kueken | deal with it! |
| 21:43.53 | Kueken | .d |
| 21:43.58 | Kueken | :D |
| 21:44.02 | Stewox | no there's no issue really |
| 21:44.07 | Stewox | int's not aproblem |
| 21:44.21 | Stewox | as long as it doesn't look or feel bad |
| 21:44.43 | Kueken | I dont think it would be a problem to use a .25 interval for your own aura, tbh |
| 21:44.51 | Kueken | you could go for 0.0625 ofc |
| 21:44.56 | Stewox | 0.25 is ... well it's enough , but if you want that micro precision ... 0.25 might be high |
| 21:45.02 | Kueken | but I doubt it makes any noticeable difference ingame |
| 21:45.14 | Stewox | yes practically not indeed |
| 21:45.21 | Kueken | well point being that micro precision is usually not required |
| 21:45.38 | Kueken | and just reduces performance for no good reason |
| 21:45.58 | Stewox | ... that huge performance drop is coincidential |
| 21:46.03 | Kueken | same reason why most physics engines cannot handle realistic physics |
| 21:46.08 | Stewox | a proper engine should handle it |
| 21:46.10 | Kueken | *in games |
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| 21:46.18 | Stewox | we're not playing battlefield 3 here |
| 21:46.23 | Stewox | so if you ask me honestly |
| 21:46.34 | Stewox | it's a terribly optimized engine ;( |
| 21:46.43 | Kueken | :) |
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| 21:46.54 | Stewox | level loading times are longer than Company of heroes |
| 21:47.19 | Stewox | ofcourse HOTS will fix stuff and i expect more engine boost |
| 21:47.50 | Kueken | loading time is about 90% loading assets n stuff, if you restart a map without closing sc2 it almost loads instantly |
| 21:48.06 | Stewox | well ... they don't have any cache or scheduling |
| 21:48.13 | Stewox | seems like it fethes all from HDD |
| 21:48.16 | Stewox | instead of RAM |
| 21:48.24 | Stewox | i don't have pagefile enabled btw |
| 21:48.31 | Stewox | i run 6 GB pure RAM |
| 21:48.44 | Stewox | im talking more about multiplayer in this case |
| 21:49.01 | Stewox | the network code seems to has to be aligned to load |
| 21:49.04 | Stewox | that's nonsene |
| 21:49.21 | Kueken | well, I have no idea about how the engine works or should work |
| 21:49.37 | Stewox | because it seems like everyone is waiting for everyone to load the level to 20% then to 50% then to 70% |
| 21:49.53 | Stewox | well there's definitely some loading bug in the network code in MP |
| 21:50.15 | Stewox | because the game mp level should load disregarding the connection to other players |
| 21:50.30 | Stewox | that's why SC2 has a lot of freezes in the loading screen |
| 21:50.46 | Stewox | cause some guy's stupid internet fell of and it made my game stalled |
| 21:50.50 | Kueken | dont ask me, maybe security issues |
| 21:51.20 | Stewox | the level should load and then when you're about to start the game should reconnect with players |
| 21:51.36 | Stewox | yeah it's what i've been noticing for some time now |
| 21:52.14 | Stewox | if somebody doesn't load or has internet off , you need to task manager and kill process to go out |
| 21:52.45 | Stewox | okay |
| 21:52.51 | Stewox | i go to modding now |
| 21:53.21 | Tealmeld | is there any way to hide error messages? |
| 21:54.21 | Frostwind | :( |
| 21:54.28 | Frostwind | is sooooo bored |
| 21:54.58 | Stewox | kueken |
| 21:55.04 | Stewox | stack count ? |
| 21:55.08 | Stewox | period count ? |
| 21:55.35 | Tealmeld | Frostwind what area do you specialize in mapping? |
| 21:55.49 | Kueken | yes |
| 21:56.07 | Kueken | your targeting scanner behavior |
| 21:56.29 | Frostwind | triggers, some terrain, some data |
| 21:56.30 | Kueken | has a stack count of 0, a period of 0 and a period count of 0 |
| 21:56.41 | Kueken | stack count should be 1 |
| 21:56.47 | Kueken | period count -1 |
| 21:56.54 | Stewox | the point is i can't find stack count |
| 21:56.55 | Kueken | and period your desired precision |
| 21:57.05 | Kueken | Stats: Maximum Stack Count |
| 21:57.13 | Kueken | there is a search bar at the top |
| 21:57.17 | Stewox | aha |
| 21:57.20 | Stewox | maximum |
| 21:57.33 | Kueken | search bar -> stack count :) |
| 21:57.51 | Stewox | found it |
| 21:58.01 | Stewox | wow default settings are kind of weird |
| 21:58.14 | Kueken | those arent default |
| 21:58.27 | Kueken | default are 0, 0, -1 |
| 21:58.43 | Kueken | *1, 0 -1 |
| 21:58.45 | Kueken | ;) |
| 21:59.05 | Kueken | you probably changed an attribute behavior first |
| 21:59.07 | Stewox | hmm how did it change |
| 21:59.10 | Stewox | no idea |
| 21:59.10 | Kueken | then changed it to buff |
| 21:59.17 | Kueken | that screws up the defaults |
| 21:59.18 | Stewox | yes |
| 21:59.21 | Stewox | lol |
| 21:59.24 | Stewox | i did some of those |
| 21:59.26 | Stewox | exactly |
| 21:59.31 | Stewox | because i mistaked |
| 21:59.39 | Stewox | ok that important to know ! |
| 21:59.41 | Stewox | tnx |
| 21:59.54 | Kueken | its especially important when working with actors |
| 21:59.56 | Stewox | period count should be 0 * |
| 22:00.03 | Kueken | should be -1 |
| 22:00.11 | Stewox | ok |
| 22:00.25 | Kueken | = infinite |
| 22:00.42 | Stewox | makes sense |
| 22:01.27 | Stewox | how i didn't notice ... that's usual problem , when you look for some hours you just can't find any more things ... |
| 22:01.37 | tehbone | kueken, there is no target 01 SOp in the list in the orb actor |
| 22:01.49 | Kueken | then make your own ;) |
| 22:01.59 | Kueken | search the target one in the list |
| 22:02.08 | Kueken | copy & select another index |
| 22:02.29 | Kueken | in the list of all actors |
| 22:02.40 | Kueken | not in the list where you select te site operation |
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| 22:10.04 | Vailreth | hellofoks |
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| 22:34.12 | Frostwind | is sooooo bored |
| 22:35.01 | tehbone | küken still here? |
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| 22:38.41 | tehbone | kueken :S |
| 22:39.27 | Kueken | ? |
| 22:39.41 | tehbone | the sop doesn't work |
| 22:39.58 | Kueken | you dit copy sopattachtarget? |
| 22:40.01 | Kueken | *did |
| 22:40.03 | tehbone | I've copied the SOpAttachTarget |
| 22:40.24 | tehbone | there is a index in the query options, but it ignores my change |
| 22:40.31 | Kueken | type it |
| 22:40.35 | Kueken | dont use the arrows |
| 22:40.41 | tehbone | ... |
| 22:40.45 | Kueken | they are bugged |
| 22:41.11 | Kueken | :) |
| 22:41.24 | Kueken | galaxy editor, a pleasure |
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| 22:44.37 | tehbone | at least its working and the warp prims actor does recognize bufffs on the zealot and i can add the orbs as needed |
| 22:45.50 | tehbone | something went wrong, now the orb stays at the spawn point of the unit |
| 22:46.23 | Frostwind | so.............. |
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| 22:55.31 | tehbone | kueken you probaly know whats broken now :) |
| 22:56.16 | Kueken | ? |
| 22:58.03 | tehbone | change the sop, know the orb stats at the spawnpoint of the units |
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| 23:03.34 | Frostwind | so.............. |
| 23:05.38 | Stewox | kueken |
| 23:05.59 | Stewox | period count to -1 |
| 23:06.05 | Stewox | period to 0 ? |
| 23:06.12 | Stewox | cause now i have both -1 |
| 23:06.17 | Stewox | yeah i noticed your fix |
| 23:06.32 | Stewox | so |
| 23:06.41 | Kueken | period to your desired precision |
| 23:06.42 | Stewox | Stats: Period --- |
| 23:06.45 | Stewox | aha |
| 23:06.50 | Stewox | so that's the scan rate |
| 23:07.08 | Stewox | ok |
| 23:07.20 | Kueken | yes, it is the rate the period effect will be executed |
| 23:07.38 | Kueken | if you set it to 0, it should be bad |
| 23:07.53 | Kueken | like game crash/freeze or something ;) |
| 23:08.22 | Stewox | oh |
| 23:08.34 | Stewox | i set 0.2 |
| 23:08.56 | Stewox | 200 milliseconds then |
| 23:10.19 | Kueken | note that internally it will be rounded to a factor of 0.0625 |
| 23:10.44 | Kueken | so for accuracy reasons, I would use .1875 or .25 |
| 23:11.13 | tehbone | the target 1 SOp is not working |
| 23:11.25 | Kueken | are you sure? |
| 23:11.41 | Kueken | maybe it attaches to the zealot's target1? |
| 23:11.48 | tehbone | changed it to center and its working just fine, the orb stays there and wlks with the unit |
| 23:12.25 | Stewox | ah |
| 23:12.35 | Stewox | i noticed some values cannot be customized ... |
| 23:12.44 | Stewox | it jumps to a predefined one |
| 23:13.42 | tehbone | you are going over the limit then |
| 23:14.23 | tehbone | the zealot actor creates the prims actor and the prims actor creates the orb actor |
| 23:14.46 | tehbone | how do i tell the orb actor to use the prim apoints? |
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| 23:33.19 | Kueken | tehbone: set the host to the warp prism actor |
| 23:33.31 | Kueken | it is probably set to _selectable |
| 23:33.37 | tehbone | how#? |
| 23:33.39 | Kueken | which selects the unit model |
| 23:33.55 | Kueken | field Hosting - Host |
| 23:34.01 | Kueken | for the orb |
| 23:36.51 | tehbone | yeah looks super stupid now :D |
| 23:36.54 | tehbone | but works |
| 23:37.48 | tehbone | how do i increase the spin speed aka prism ani speed |
| 23:38.23 | Kueken | in the actor events |
| 23:38.45 | Kueken | use Set Time Scale Global or Animation Set Time Scale |
| 23:39.37 | tehbone | event unit birth? |
| 23:40.03 | tehbone | prolly actor creation |
| 23:43.32 | A1win | phew, finally got my on/off switch for my power relays working |
| 23:43.48 | Stewox | ok |
| 23:43.50 | Stewox | done |
| 23:43.50 | A1win | forgot to take that into account when I created the system originally D: |
| 23:43.56 | Stewox | but |
| 23:44.13 | Stewox | the missile turret 2nd weapon has to be disabled right ? |
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| 23:44.38 | Frostwind | hi..... |
| 23:44.51 | Stewox | vailreth told me setting "disabled" on weapon setting will keep it until it's enabled by behavior , and go automatically back to disabled when behavior is off |
| 23:48.30 | tehbone | how do i hide the prism now? |
| 23:49.42 | Vailreth | that was mentioned |
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| 23:52.47 | Frostwind | so.............. |
| 23:55.48 | Frostwind | sighs |
| 23:56.59 | tehbone | ^^ |
| 23:57.07 | Frostwind | I'm soooooooo damn bored |
| 23:57.14 | tehbone | bf3 is fun |
