| 00:20.59 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 00:21.05 | XenoX101 | how can I make this ability reduce weapon range? |
| 00:21.18 | XenoX101 | to 1? |
| 00:23.12 | XenoX101 | nvm got it |
| 00:27.22 | XenoX101 | damnit |
| 00:27.26 | XenoX101 | it won't set the range to 1 |
| 00:32.18 | ________________ | can collision type be changed by a behavior? |
| 00:32.24 | ________________ | or radius? |
| 00:37.01 | XenoX101 | hey |
| 00:37.06 | XenoX101 | no ________ |
| 00:37.11 | XenoX101 | um |
| 00:37.16 | XenoX101 | if I have a switch running |
| 00:37.18 | XenoX101 | every 0.05 seconds |
| 00:37.23 | XenoX101 | with 30 cases |
| 00:37.27 | XenoX101 | is that going to lag or be bad |
| 00:37.44 | ________________ | rly? its not possible? thats stupid |
| 00:37.47 | ________________ | there has 2 ba way |
| 00:37.58 | XenoX101 | only with triggers |
| 00:38.02 | XenoX101 | or upgrades |
| 00:38.10 | ________________ | lame |
| 00:38.30 | XenoX101 | pretty much |
| 00:38.47 | ________________ | guess ill use trigs |
| 00:47.42 | Vailreth | and i am here once more sorry ive been vanishing all day |
| 00:48.53 | A1win | XenoX101, I'm despawning and recreating hundreds of units after performing various checks for each of them every 0.0625 seconds, so I don't think a simple switch would lag that much ;o |
| 00:49.24 | ProzaicMuze | lol have you tested that online A1win? |
| 00:49.48 | A1win | yeah :P |
| 00:49.54 | ProzaicMuze | How many people were in the game? |
| 00:50.04 | A1win | err, I lied, it's not hundreds |
| 00:50.06 | Vailreth | ProzaicMuze.... Im not WORTHY |
| 00:50.14 | Vailreth | i mean hello |
| 00:50.15 | A1win | confused it with existing units on the map |
| 00:50.23 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 00:50.28 | A1win | it's just a few dozen every 0.0625 |
| 00:50.37 | ProzaicMuze | @Vailreth - Kiss the royal ring! |
| 00:51.16 | A1win | but yeah I need to test it with 8 players, have only tested that the performance is fine.. but not lag |
| 00:51.39 | Vailreth | heh, |
| 00:51.41 | ProzaicMuze | @Xeno - what is the switch making? It can definitely cause lag if it's applying buffs to people. But if it's something like a simply damage effect, it may be fine. |
| 00:51.49 | XenoX101 | buffs |
| 00:51.58 | XenoX101 | it is checking what unit it is |
| 00:52.02 | XenoX101 | and applying a buff accordingly |
| 00:52.07 | ProzaicMuze | What is the maximum number of stacks for the buff, or is it replacing the buff? |
| 00:52.14 | XenoX101 | 1 stack |
| 00:52.17 | XenoX101 | (not stacking) |
| 00:52.33 | XenoX101 | so 30 cases every 0.05 seconds |
| 00:52.46 | ProzaicMuze | You "might" be ok, but at that period it could be issuous with lots of people |
| 00:53.03 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 00:53.06 | ProzaicMuze | I try to avoid lots of spams by using validators and condensing searches to .25-.5 sec checks |
| 00:53.07 | XenoX101 | is there a neater way to do it? |
| 00:53.25 | XenoX101 | I could give the units the behaviour preemptively |
| 00:53.30 | XenoX101 | and use validator for the spell |
| 00:53.33 | XenoX101 | would that be better? |
| 00:53.39 | A1win | err... I forgot I optimized my system, the maximum number of units it recreates every 0.0625 seconds is only 29 =p |
| 00:54.06 | A1win | and it's not always even doing that |
| 00:54.21 | A1win | only when a player moves from one tile to another |
| 00:55.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Will map for food. :) |
| 00:56.09 | A1win | and with 8 players (8 units), I was able to divide it so that it only checks for one player every 0.0625 seconds because a player can't move from one tile to another faster than 0.5 seconds (unless he immeadiately returns to the previous one, but it shouldn't matter that it lags by 1 tile) |
| 00:57.43 | XenoX101 | prozaic |
| 00:57.50 | XenoX101 | if I add the behaviours preemptively |
| 00:57.51 | ProzaicMuze | one sec |
| 00:57.52 | ProzaicMuze | on the phone |
| 00:57.54 | A1win | anyway the performance was fine, and then I optimized even further so I'm quite confident with it now |
| 00:57.55 | XenoX101 | k np |
| 00:58.00 | ________________ | So there's really no way to change unit collision during game? |
| 00:58.04 | ________________ | besides triggers? |
| 00:58.13 | A1win | do you mean radius? |
| 00:58.21 | ________________ | collision or radius |
| 00:58.22 | ________________ | doesnt matter |
| 00:58.44 | A1win | why not triggers? |
| 00:59.02 | ________________ | I want to keep my game as data intensive as possible |
| 00:59.12 | A1win | ok... D: |
| 00:59.14 | XenoX101 | not gonna happen |
| 00:59.15 | ________________ | the entire game will be big so i want to avoid triggers to avoid laag |
| 00:59.22 | XenoX101 | unless you want to |
| 00:59.23 | XenoX101 | morph the unit |
| 00:59.27 | XenoX101 | into something with a flying mover |
| 00:59.28 | ________________ | ah good 1 |
| 00:59.29 | XenoX101 | or something |
| 00:59.32 | ________________ | a morph |
| 00:59.37 | ________________ | smart |
| 00:59.39 | XenoX101 | but it loses its commands |
| 00:59.46 | XenoX101 | so you'll need to retain them somehow |
| 00:59.53 | ________________ | oh true true |
| 00:59.57 | Vailreth | what is the exact instance you want to change colission for? |
| 01:00.14 | ________________ | once an ability is used |
| 01:01.28 | Vailreth | how do you want the collison changed |
| 01:01.53 | Vailreth | a behavior can supress it completely( except for no pathing zones) |
| 01:06.03 | ProzaicMuze | ok back |
| 01:06.40 | ProzaicMuze | So is this going back to the Stalker doding? |
| 01:06.47 | ProzaicMuze | dodging* |
| 01:06.51 | ProzaicMuze | or was that cplusplus |
| 01:07.12 | XenoX101 | ? |
| 01:07.14 | XenoX101 | me? |
| 01:07.23 | ProzaicMuze | yes |
| 01:07.30 | XenoX101 | nah not stalker dodging |
| 01:07.36 | XenoX101 | its a neutralize range buff |
| 01:07.39 | XenoX101 | that sets the unit's range to 1 |
| 01:07.41 | XenoX101 | within a cloud |
| 01:08.01 | XenoX101 | so its a 0.05 second repeated buff from a persistent /w search area |
| 01:08.07 | XenoX101 | but |
| 01:08.16 | XenoX101 | instead of using a switch to choose which buff |
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| 01:08.26 | ________________ | ew i got dc'd |
| 01:08.28 | XenoX101 | I can preset those behaviours |
| 01:08.33 | XenoX101 | and use validators |
| 01:08.40 | XenoX101 | if it would be quicker for the engine |
| 01:08.48 | ________________ | so, i looked in triggers and i dont see it there either |
| 01:09.00 | XenoX101 | thats my question, whether it would be quicker to use preset behaviours with validators |
| 01:09.14 | XenoX101 | than to use a 30 case switch |
| 01:09.17 | ProzaicMuze | So why are you u sing multiple buffs instead of one buff? |
| 01:09.26 | XenoX101 | because theres no one buff that can reduce range |
| 01:09.27 | XenoX101 | to 1 |
| 01:09.38 | ________________ | sight radius? |
| 01:09.41 | XenoX101 | they either reduce it to 0 |
| 01:09.47 | XenoX101 | by being too great |
| 01:09.55 | XenoX101 | or they don't reduce it enough on some units |
| 01:09.59 | XenoX101 | since ranges differ |
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| 01:12.16 | ProzaicMuze | So you're saying the Weapon Range modifier in Modification+ For a Buff doesnt' set the range, it just adds/subtracts? |
| 01:12.41 | XenoX101 | correct |
| 01:13.33 | A1win | has anyone figured out a way to disable order queueing? |
| 01:14.06 | ________________ | disable shift? |
| 01:14.14 | ProzaicMuze | Have you tried layered buffs? |
| 01:14.17 | A1win | how? |
| 01:14.27 | ProzaicMuze | When they enter the cloud you apply -50 range with one buff |
| 01:14.32 | ProzaicMuze | and immediately apply +1 range with a 2nd buff |
| 01:14.39 | ProzaicMuze | the first sets it to 0, the second to 1? |
| 01:14.47 | ________________ | ^ |
| 01:14.48 | ProzaicMuze | It may just take the net at -49 |
| 01:14.57 | ProzaicMuze | but it's also possible it will handel them differently. |
| 01:15.16 | ProzaicMuze | @A1win - For custom abilities, or in general? |
| 01:15.24 | A1win | in general |
| 01:15.47 | ProzaicMuze | I haven't messed with that, but I do know you can set an ability to add to queue, cut the queue or overried the queue. |
| 01:15.55 | ProzaicMuze | Thus you could make all abilities override |
| 01:16.13 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 01:16.27 | XenoX101 | they will stack unfavourably |
| 01:16.29 | XenoX101 | most certainly |
| 01:16.42 | A1win | ProzaicMuze, even a move command? |
| 01:16.44 | XenoX101 | because even when I -4 on a 5 range weapon |
| 01:16.45 | XenoX101 | it saysd |
| 01:16.48 | XenoX101 | (5 -4) |
| 01:16.51 | XenoX101 | not (1) |
| 01:17.10 | XenoX101 | so its doing the maths |
| 01:17.17 | XenoX101 | I could try it though |
| 01:17.27 | ________________ | lolol |
| 01:21.06 | ProzaicMuze | @A1win - Yes, you can use Effect - Issue Order |
| 01:21.14 | ProzaicMuze | So for every ability you plug that in front of it |
| 01:21.36 | ProzaicMuze | and when it goes to use the ability it will do whatever you flag, (Queue, Cut, Override) |
| 01:21.40 | XenoX101 | yeah doesnt work prozaic |
| 01:21.46 | XenoX101 | gonna have to do it the messy way |
| 01:21.46 | ProzaicMuze | @Xeno - sadface |
| 01:21.51 | XenoX101 | but yeah |
| 01:21.56 | XenoX101 | still the question remains |
| 01:21.59 | XenoX101 | validators or switches ;p |
| 01:22.04 | XenoX101 | I think I'll go with validators, it seems like it'd be smoother |
| 01:22.30 | Vailreth | Xenox what are you trying to do |
| 01:22.39 | XenoX101 | reduce range of units to 1 |
| 01:22.45 | XenoX101 | need unit specific behaviours |
| 01:23.51 | Vailreth | have you tried changing sight range to 1 and weapon scan min range to 1? |
| 01:24.13 | XenoX101 | sight range to 1 would break it |
| 01:24.16 | XenoX101 | dont want to do that |
| 01:25.16 | A1win | oh, right |
| 01:26.41 | Vailreth | what are you trying to emulate? |
| 01:27.33 | ProzaicMuze | @Xeno - Switches require validators, so you need both anyways. |
| 01:27.49 | XenoX101 | true |
| 01:27.56 | XenoX101 | might as well just give them the behaviour preemptively |
| 01:28.00 | XenoX101 | since I'll be validating it anyway |
| 01:28.07 | XenoX101 | saves checking for what unit it is |
| 01:28.33 | ProzaicMuze | Then the cloud activates it when they are in it |
| 01:28.41 | ProzaicMuze | YOu could use a validator to check for the buff the cloud gives to actiave the 2nd buff |
| 01:28.42 | XenoX101 | yep |
| 01:28.43 | ProzaicMuze | no switch needed. |
| 01:28.49 | XenoX101 | thats what I'm doing |
| 01:29.00 | XenoX101 | and there are only about 12 units it affects |
| 01:29.09 | XenoX101 | surprisngly enough |
| 01:29.12 | XenoX101 | most of zergs units are ground |
| 01:29.16 | XenoX101 | er melee |
| 01:29.55 | XenoX101 | heh you should see the mess I did for the replicant |
| 01:29.59 | XenoX101 | (I'm remaking HotS) |
| 01:30.10 | XenoX101 | I had to use behaviours for all the protoss upgrades |
| 01:30.15 | XenoX101 | then I had to set a requirement for each upgrade |
| 01:30.26 | XenoX101 | so that it would disable the behaviour if a particular upgrade was given |
| 01:30.30 | XenoX101 | so if you had +1 weapons +2 armor |
| 01:30.46 | XenoX101 | the lvl 3 weapon & armor behaviours would disable |
| 01:30.58 | XenoX101 | and the lvl 2 weapon, and level 1 armor behaviours would enable |
| 01:31.04 | XenoX101 | based on requirements |
| 01:31.11 | XenoX101 | so damn convoluted |
| 01:36.58 | Vailreth | just reduce the weapon range by more than the max range of the highest range wepaon |
| 01:37.02 | Vailreth | its simple |
| 01:38.19 | XenoX101 | then it gets 0 range |
| 01:38.24 | XenoX101 | it needs 1 range |
| 01:38.48 | Vailreth | thats baiscally melee range anyway |
| 01:39.08 | XenoX101 | -.- |
| 01:39.25 | XenoX101 | you wouldn't do well on a balance team ;) |
| 01:39.35 | XenoX101 | also units dont actually attack with melee range |
| 01:39.36 | XenoX101 | for some reason |
| 01:39.52 | Vailreth | works fine for my marine |
| 01:40.13 | XenoX101 | anyway |
| 01:44.45 | XenoX101 | my way works |
| 01:44.50 | XenoX101 | except for some reason |
| 01:44.57 | XenoX101 | this behaviour won't disable even when its validator isn't met |
| 01:58.02 | XenoX101 | damnit |
| 01:58.05 | XenoX101 | I dont get why this validator |
| 01:58.10 | XenoX101 | is still valid |
| 01:58.18 | Vailreth | range one is melee anyway... |
| 01:59.56 | XenoX101 | no it isn't |
| 02:00.04 | Vailreth | yes |
| 02:00.05 | XenoX101 | hey does anyone know why my firebat actor |
| 02:00.15 | XenoX101 | only works after the first shot is fired? |
| 02:00.21 | XenoX101 | the first attack has no flames |
| 02:00.23 | ProzaicMuze | 1 isn't melee |
| 02:00.25 | XenoX101 | the second and so on do |
| 02:00.28 | ProzaicMuze | melee is roughly .5 |
| 02:00.34 | ProzaicMuze | 1 is 1 map cell |
| 02:00.43 | ProzaicMuze | Which is wider than a zergling |
| 02:00.47 | XenoX101 | prozaic have you ever had the bug where |
| 02:00.54 | XenoX101 | an actor will activate after a second attack only? |
| 02:01.28 | ProzaicMuze | The flames from the weapon? |
| 02:01.35 | XenoX101 | yeah |
| 02:01.38 | ProzaicMuze | Not really |
| 02:01.45 | ProzaicMuze | Did you duplicate or make from scratch? |
| 02:02.01 | XenoX101 | duplicate |
| 02:02.02 | Vailreth | right my mistake sorry |
| 02:02.25 | ProzaicMuze | When duplicating your actor events can get messed up |
| 02:02.37 | ProzaicMuze | I typically make everything from scratch which is probably why I haven't had that issue come up. |
| 02:03.29 | XenoX101 | yeah I just figured with firebats |
| 02:03.32 | XenoX101 | it could be frustrating |
| 02:03.46 | XenoX101 | I normally do the same with simple stuff |
| 02:06.28 | timecat | WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME MC CHRIS RELEASED ANOTHER 3 ALBUMS?? |
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| 02:16.33 | XenoX101 | lolol |
| 02:16.36 | XenoX101 | so get this right |
| 02:16.40 | XenoX101 | the unit I copied |
| 02:16.44 | XenoX101 | has the same bug that mine does -.- |
| 02:23.35 | XenoX101 | arr |
| 02:46.09 | Vailreth | who is MC Chris |
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| 03:04.03 | sugoi | patch 1.4.0 says upload timeouts for custom maps has been increased significantly, but looking for posts online i can't find what this new timeout is |
| 03:04.06 | sugoi | anyone? |
| 03:04.37 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 03:09.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Does it matter? |
| 03:09.25 | sugoi | could |
| 03:09.30 | sugoi | say the timout is 4 years |
| 03:09.34 | sugoi | just sayin' |
| 03:09.36 | sugoi | haha |
| 03:09.54 | sugoi | no but seriously, the word 'significantly' caught my eye |
| 03:10.04 | sugoi | if they're saying 5 seconds, big deal |
| 03:10.13 | sugoi | 5 minutes...yeah, that's going to slow down my testing |
| 03:12.54 | Mexa | http://gigaom.com/2011/10/27/looks-like-congress-has-declared-war-on-the-internet/ |
| 03:15.23 | Shawn|Rawr | How would that slow you down? |
| 03:15.46 | sugoi | because i make a change, upload, test, go make another change, upload......... |
| 03:15.49 | sugoi | ....... |
| 03:15.51 | Shawn|Rawr | Unless your thing fails like 9/10 times |
| 03:15.52 | sugoi | ....... |
| 03:15.57 | sugoi | ok, and test, repeate |
| 03:16.09 | Shawn|Rawr | How many times do you fail to upload? |
| 03:16.15 | sugoi | none |
| 03:16.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Then it doesn't affect you |
| 03:16.42 | sugoi | ah |
| 03:16.45 | sugoi | i read it differently |
| 03:16.52 | sugoi | apparently...i am the only person who read it that way |
| 03:17.02 | sugoi | timeout error, not timeout _cooldown_ |
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| 03:39.58 | XenoX101 | hell yes |
| 03:40.01 | XenoX101 | another ability down |
| 03:40.03 | XenoX101 | and fuck was it hard |
| 03:40.05 | XenoX101 | but I did it |
| 03:40.19 | XenoX101 | I ended up having to give a behaviour two dummy effects |
| 03:40.21 | XenoX101 | for initiate and expire |
| 03:40.29 | XenoX101 | and then based on those I had to add and remove weapons through triggers |
| 03:40.40 | XenoX101 | ones with 1 range and ones with normal range |
| 03:40.41 | XenoX101 | god damn |
| 03:56.48 | A1win | any suggestions for the resource panel? it might grow a bit, and icons will be customized eventually: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-10-29%2006_54_39.jpg |
| 03:57.11 | JademusSreg | clicks. |
| 03:57.33 | JademusSreg | There's a lot of wasted space on the left side. |
| 03:58.12 | JademusSreg | Left side of the resource dialog, rather. |
| 03:58.14 | A1win | hmm indeed, the loop assumes the icons of the previous column are there :P |
| 03:58.23 | A1win | ...could also remove the title |
| 03:58.48 | A1win | or somehow attach it to the edge |
| 03:59.03 | JademusSreg | Set its anchor to the top right. |
| 03:59.32 | JademusSreg | And give it an offset of about 50. |
| 03:59.38 | JademusSreg | On X and Y, |
| 03:59.47 | A1win | the title? |
| 03:59.51 | A1win | or the panel |
| 03:59.53 | JademusSreg | No, the entire dialog. |
| 04:00.13 | A1win | it's now 10 and 10, it seemed silly to have it too far in the view |
| 04:00.37 | JademusSreg | Give it an offset of ~50 on X and Y so the space it wastes with the empty buffer and the frame will be reduced. |
| 04:00.51 | A1win | ahh, you mean -50 ;p |
| 04:01.02 | Shawn|Rawr | No... |
| 04:01.08 | Shawn|Rawr | ~ = approximately |
| 04:01.16 | JademusSreg | He's correct though. |
| 04:01.17 | A1win | yes but he should have said ~ -50 :P |
| 04:01.20 | JademusSreg | ~ -50. |
| 04:01.20 | purl | -50 |
| 04:01.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:01.29 | Shawn|Rawr | 50 - 2 |
| 04:01.32 | Shawn|Rawr | 50-2 |
| 04:02.19 | Shawn|Rawr | why did purl answer that then? |
| 04:02.22 | Shawn|Rawr | weird |
| 04:02.22 | JademusSreg | Does setting the transparency for a dialog also have an effect on the dialog's items? I forget. |
| 04:02.39 | Shawn|Rawr | You can set the dialog background to transparent |
| 04:02.48 | Shawn|Rawr | And it won't affect the items |
| 04:03.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Or you can hide the whole thing |
| 04:03.47 | JademusSreg | Well, it's his choice, but either making the panel transparent or invisible would help not clutter the view. |
| 04:04.28 | JademusSreg | The vanilla dialog frames are probably the ugliest thing in the game. |
| 04:05.02 | Shawn|Rawr | True, he could remove the Resources label, make the background invisible, and then just have the resources up in the corner |
| 04:05.11 | JademusSreg | It's disappointing more people don't take the time to customize more UI assets. |
| 04:06.54 | Shawn|Rawr | I'd use a custom UI |
| 04:06.59 | XenoX101 | hey guys |
| 04:07.08 | XenoX101 | does anyone know why this really simple trigger might not be working |
| 04:07.09 | XenoX101 | http://pastebin.com/rRhVZvZS |
| 04:07.39 | XenoX101 | isnt that how you get the progress of a unit? |
| 04:08.35 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't that better fit a construction event? |
| 04:08.47 | XenoX101 | oh shit good point |
| 04:09.08 | XenoX101 | let me try with generic |
| 04:10.02 | XenoX101 | siiick |
| 04:10.07 | XenoX101 | alright |
| 04:10.11 | XenoX101 | looks like preordain should be a cake walk |
| 04:10.17 | XenoX101 | the 2nd last ability ^^ |
| 04:10.24 | XenoX101 | so excited |
| 04:10.29 | XenoX101 | after this I only have to do abduct |
| 04:10.34 | XenoX101 | and then fix some actor issues |
| 04:10.39 | XenoX101 | which could take all day, but still |
| 04:10.51 | XenoX101 | HotS here we come :p |
| 04:11.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Then tomorrow watch them release a patch with the new units in it |
| 04:11.36 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 04:11.49 | JademusSreg | I strongly doubt that, haha. |
| 04:12.30 | A1win | any way to change the tooltip anchor of a dialog item? :| sucks to have it appear at top-right when the dialog is at top-right |
| 04:14.02 | JademusSreg | Figured it wouldh ave been smarter than to do that. |
| 04:14.57 | A1win | well it does clamp it outside the icon, but for the icons just below the edge it puts the tooltip over the ones above it |
| 04:15.29 | A1win | so the tooltip behavior is different for the icons at the top and the icons below them |
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| 04:15.37 | A1win | oh well... I suppose I can live with that |
| 04:22.21 | A1win | errm... should probably swap the icons and labels like they are in the default UI |
| 04:22.29 | A1win | icon at left, text at right, left justified |
| 04:22.40 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:24.39 | A1win | and then to figure out what the resource font style is... |
| 04:24.59 | A1win | which I've already done in another map D: |
| 04:27.30 | A1win | or not... |
| 04:27.50 | A1win | bah, forgot I changed it to an actual resource once upon a time |
| 04:27.56 | JademusSreg | Check the layout files. |
| 04:28.03 | A1win | ah... |
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| 04:29.40 | A1win | humm... I think I don't have all of them extracted |
| 04:30.12 | A1win | oh nevermind |
| 04:30.49 | A1win | and surprisingly, the style is called ResourcePanel |
| 04:31.26 | XenoX101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.30 | XenoX101 | is there any way to display a 2d texture |
| 04:31.35 | XenoX101 | in the game |
| 04:31.35 | XenoX101 | ? |
| 04:31.51 | XenoX101 | I want to use the unit dds files |
| 04:31.54 | XenoX101 | as sprites |
| 04:32.01 | XenoX101 | unit button dds files* |
| 04:32.39 | JademusSreg | Hah. I just noticed Goliath's spawn with random detail work on around the cockpit. |
| 04:32.45 | JademusSreg | *Goliaths |
| 04:34.15 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-10-29%2007_33_52.jpg |
| 04:34.34 | JademusSreg | That looks much nicer. |
| 04:34.42 | XenoX101 | looks like the beginning of a horror movie |
| 04:34.49 | A1win | hehe |
| 04:34.50 | XenoX101 | 8 scvs, 1 room |
| 04:34.54 | XenoX101 | 24 hours |
| 04:35.01 | XenoX101 | who will survive! |
| 04:35.17 | JademusSreg | The only way to win... is to not play. |
| 04:35.35 | Shawn|Rawr | A1, I wanna play it |
| 04:35.44 | A1win | there's not much to play :P |
| 04:35.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh. I wanna play it NAOW |
| 04:35.57 | JademusSreg | Aw, no one got the Wargames reference. |
| 04:35.58 | A1win | you can dig the tiles.. and gain random iron ore from them |
| 04:36.13 | Shawn|Rawr | I wanna turn iron into funk |
| 04:46.59 | A1win | oh right, I think I should probably give the players some vesepene too... so that they can fuel the generator that powers up their vespene refinery :P |
| 04:47.49 | A1win | mmh sucks if they at some point manage to spend all their vespene and have no means to get more |
| 04:48.02 | A1win | maybe I need some other kind of a generator as a backup plan |
| 04:48.05 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:48.19 | A1win | "keep running, we almost have one vespene now" |
| 04:48.38 | JademusSreg | Why not allow them to harvest raw vespene for less. |
| 04:49.10 | JademusSreg | Either at a reduced rate or at a loss. |
| 04:49.19 | XenoX101 | are there any models in SC2 that have some kind of progress bar? |
| 04:49.22 | A1win | mff |
| 04:49.24 | XenoX101 | or could imitate progress somehow? |
| 04:49.31 | XenoX101 | I need a way of showing the progress of a unit |
| 04:49.35 | XenoX101 | being built |
| 04:50.10 | JademusSreg | That's the purpose of the Buildable ability. |
| 04:50.31 | JademusSreg | Or you mean a unit being trained? |
| 04:50.40 | cplusplus | man im bad at the hotkey trainer |
| 04:50.53 | XenoX101 | both |
| 04:50.55 | XenoX101 | er |
| 04:50.56 | XenoX101 | no wait |
| 04:50.58 | XenoX101 | just unit |
| 04:51.08 | JademusSreg | It it being built or trained? |
| 04:51.10 | JademusSreg | *IS |
| 04:51.18 | XenoX101 | um |
| 04:51.22 | XenoX101 | trained I guess |
| 04:51.25 | XenoX101 | upgrades too |
| 04:51.52 | JademusSreg | Then you can use triggers to display a progress bar, or perhaps actors. |
| 04:52.17 | JademusSreg | Dunno why you'd want it displayed for everyone to see though. |
| 04:52.19 | XenoX101 | cant find a trigger to display progress bar |
| 04:52.25 | XenoX101 | its part of the preordain ability |
| 04:52.30 | XenoX101 | reveal progress of unit |
| 04:52.39 | XenoX101 | and unit in question |
| 04:52.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster Alevice (~alevice@189.200.11.69) |
| 04:52.46 | A1win | I suppose the vespene collector just uses the vespene it collects as its fuel, has its own backup generator |
| 04:52.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Maknyuzz (43b71099@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.183.16.153) |
| 04:52.56 | JademusSreg | See the campaign mission on Tyrador for reference on how to do it via trigger. |
| 04:53.16 | XenoX101 | whats that one called |
| 04:53.26 | JademusSreg | Dunno. The one where Kerrigan destroys buildings. |
| 04:53.34 | JademusSreg | And progress bars appear over them. =D |
| 04:53.35 | XenoX101 | ah |
| 04:53.57 | XenoX101 | oh oh shit |
| 04:53.58 | XenoX101 | I know what to do |
| 04:54.00 | XenoX101 | fuck I'm a god |
| 04:54.09 | XenoX101 | I'll create a behaviour when the unit gets trained |
| 04:54.09 | A1win | then make it upgradeable into a refinery that collects it faster, but requires power... except that I'm not sure if harvesting faster is much of use since I'm not really planning on adding a time limit |
| 04:54.15 | XenoX101 | with progress bar displayed on |
| 04:54.25 | XenoX101 | and have the behaviour's duration the same as the unit |
| 04:54.55 | XenoX101 | I can even set behaviour duration with triggers |
| 04:54.58 | XenoX101 | sweet |
| 04:56.39 | A1win | bah, better to just have the refinery self-powered |
| 04:57.03 | A1win | my tech tree isn't complex enough yet D: |
| 04:57.11 | XenoX101 | whats power used for |
| 04:57.30 | A1win | everything that requires power |
| 04:57.41 | XenoX101 | if you can create a choice between |
| 04:57.43 | XenoX101 | vespene and power |
| 04:57.47 | XenoX101 | that would be a nice dynamic |
| 04:57.52 | XenoX101 | the same as |
| 04:57.52 | Maknyuzz | How many here don't like tower defense? |
| 04:57.57 | Maknyuzz | what about MOBA/DOTA style? |
| 04:57.58 | A1win | o/ |
| 04:58.00 | JademusSreg | <--- |
| 04:58.00 | XenoX101 | between armies and power, etc |
| 04:58.07 | XenoX101 | <--- |
| 04:58.08 | Maknyuzz | who else? |
| 04:58.08 | A1win | XenoX101, what do you mean between vespene and power? |
| 04:58.12 | Maknyuzz | exactly |
| 04:58.20 | XenoX101 | well if it costs power to run the geyser |
| 04:58.25 | XenoX101 | if power is more valuable |
| 04:58.26 | Maknyuzz | who else? |
| 04:58.28 | XenoX101 | they will sacrifice the gas |
| 04:58.35 | XenoX101 | but if gas is more valuable |
| 04:58.40 | XenoX101 | they will sacrifice power |
| 04:58.46 | XenoX101 | so it creates a nice dynamic |
| 04:58.58 | XenoX101 | essentially thats what all the decision in the game should be |
| 04:59.04 | A1win | it will only power itself with the vespene it gains, a small static loss for the harvesting |
| 04:59.16 | A1win | the gas is mainly used as a fuel in this map |
| 04:59.21 | A1win | for power generators |
| 04:59.35 | XenoX101 | well then it'd be silly if it cost any gas to power |
| 04:59.42 | XenoX101 | because its just a perpetual machine |
| 04:59.48 | A1win | yeah ;p |
| 04:59.53 | A1win | I concluded that already :P |
| 04:59.54 | JademusSreg | The value of Action Real Time Strategy / Multiplayer Online Battle Arena depend entirely upon implementation. They at least have the benefit of not being so achingly dull as TDs. |
| 05:00.04 | XenoX101 | but you should have |
| 05:00.10 | XenoX101 | a few resources |
| 05:00.12 | XenoX101 | of sorts |
| 05:00.20 | XenoX101 | like power, vespene, minerals |
| 05:00.29 | XenoX101 | strike some kind of dynamic between them |
| 05:00.37 | XenoX101 | thats how games get fun |
| 05:00.40 | A1win | my power system will be more complex than that |
| 05:00.59 | A1win | drawing power lines from the generators |
| 05:01.45 | XenoX101 | do the power lines cost money |
| 05:02.33 | A1win | dunno, there are much more costly things in the map that it might be annoying if they did |
| 05:02.53 | A1win | but they have limited range |
| 05:03.00 | XenoX101 | what I would do is |
| 05:03.03 | XenoX101 | instead of limited range |
| 05:03.04 | A1win | then you need a what's-it'-called |
| 05:03.06 | XenoX101 | make it cost money |
| 05:03.12 | A1win | -' |
| 05:03.30 | A1win | I was going to make them as an ability for the generator: target the building you want to draw it to |
| 05:03.40 | A1win | easy to use |
| 05:03.41 | XenoX101 | if you can try not to restrict the player with seemingly arbitrary limitations |
| 05:03.54 | A1win | building needs more power: draw more than one line to it |
| 05:04.16 | XenoX101 | do the lines cost money though |
| 05:04.22 | A1win | you can make them go longer by adding a "repeater" |
| 05:04.49 | A1win | or a pillar or whatever |
| 05:05.03 | XenoX101 | ic |
| 05:05.12 | XenoX101 | I think its difficult to talk about without knowing the big picture |
| 05:05.20 | XenoX101 | is it still that zombie map |
| 05:05.24 | A1win | nah |
| 05:05.32 | XenoX101 | oh its the minecraft one |
| 05:05.38 | A1win | yeah, sort of |
| 05:05.45 | XenoX101 | I think what you could do is |
| 05:05.51 | XenoX101 | draw up a concept |
| 05:05.53 | XenoX101 | of what you're doing |
| 05:05.59 | XenoX101 | then get people to look at it |
| 05:06.01 | XenoX101 | continually |
| 05:06.22 | XenoX101 | I could definitely help you with making things work design wise |
| 05:06.28 | A1win | I haven't had much luck with getting people look into my plans :P |
| 05:06.31 | XenoX101 | if I have an idea of what you're going for |
| 05:06.43 | XenoX101 | I'd be happy to give a few ideas here and there |
| 05:06.47 | A1win | well I can explain it to you |
| 05:06.53 | XenoX101 | write it up instead |
| 05:06.55 | A1win | or what I've planned so far |
| 05:06.56 | XenoX101 | have it as a document |
| 05:07.00 | XenoX101 | that you can continually refer to etc |
| 05:07.07 | XenoX101 | part of being organized ;p |
| 05:07.17 | XenoX101 | I guess it doesnt matter if you're only working on your own |
| 05:07.18 | XenoX101 | but still |
| 05:07.22 | A1win | :P yeah I've done that a lot in the past |
| 05:07.36 | XenoX101 | if you can lay down your ideas just simply somewhere |
| 05:07.41 | XenoX101 | in a document or an image whatever media suits best |
| 05:07.51 | XenoX101 | I can tell you what I think about what will work, what won't work |
| 05:08.00 | XenoX101 | maybe give you some ideas |
| 05:08.15 | XenoX101 | and then you can build on that document and if anyone ever wants to know |
| 05:08.17 | XenoX101 | what your map is about |
| 05:08.25 | XenoX101 | even if you want to add a help section to the game |
| 05:08.35 | XenoX101 | you can show them it |
| 05:08.49 | XenoX101 | I mean thats how I'd do it |
| 05:09.26 | A1win | I think I'll get something done before writing up too much stuff |
| 05:09.39 | XenoX101 | problem with that is |
| 05:09.46 | XenoX101 | if you are working in the wrong direction |
| 05:09.49 | XenoX101 | or |
| 05:09.49 | A1win | I've become more of a fan of agile methods than writing up an insanely long documentation first |
| 05:09.52 | XenoX101 | change your mind about something |
| 05:09.57 | XenoX101 | nah nothing long like that just |
| 05:10.00 | XenoX101 | a concept |
| 05:10.21 | XenoX101 | like you could draw up a one page document about how SC2 melee works |
| 05:10.29 | XenoX101 | 2 pages if you use lots of pictures |
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| 05:10.37 | XenoX101 | and sc2 melee is insanely complex |
| 05:10.46 | A1win | mm... |
| 05:11.08 | XenoX101 | I'm just trying to help with ideas and noticing that I lack the knowledge |
| 05:11.14 | XenoX101 | about the project to give you any specific advice ;p |
| 05:11.32 | A1win | would be easier to just write it here =P |
| 05:11.43 | XenoX101 | well you can write it here, save it somewhere else |
| 05:11.47 | XenoX101 | doesnt really matter where you write it |
| 05:12.00 | A1win | well I have it in my head, I can just rewrite it if I need it again |
| 05:12.15 | XenoX101 | yeah, save time if you just write it once though |
| 05:12.17 | A1win | and at that point it's already changed so much that I'd have to do it anyway |
| 05:12.28 | XenoX101 | well see thats the thing |
| 05:12.45 | XenoX101 | should have some kind of grounding |
| 05:12.46 | XenoX101 | foundation |
| 05:14.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Is it A1 or Al? |
| 05:14.15 | A1win | 1 |
| 05:14.23 | Shawn|Rawr | This font.. I can't tell |
| 05:14.26 | A1win | hehe |
| 05:14.27 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm gonna use L |
| 05:14.29 | A1win | copypaste :P |
| 05:14.31 | XenoX101 | use a new font ;p |
| 05:14.35 | A1win | it's the numbah |
| 05:14.38 | XenoX101 | thats why arial sucks |
| 05:14.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh good |
| 05:14.42 | XenoX101 | actually |
| 05:14.44 | Shawn|Rawr | That's what i've been using |
| 05:14.51 | XenoX101 | calibri is just as bad |
| 05:14.53 | XenoX101 | l and I |
| 05:14.56 | XenoX101 | .. |
| 05:15.01 | A1win | envy code is nice for IRC |
| 05:15.06 | XenoX101 | why are fontographers so retarded ;p |
| 05:15.09 | XenoX101 | lIlIlI |
| 05:15.14 | XenoX101 | those two should not be the same >< |
| 05:15.28 | Shawn|Rawr | So A1, let me know when you are closer to being done or need halp |
| 05:16.19 | A1win | anyway, the basic concept is that players dig into the cave (each tile of the map is minable), and find all kinds of materials from there, which they then use to build structures and tools... one structure for example is used to forge iron ore and mineral crystals into neosteel, which would be the basic material for buildings |
| 05:17.01 | A1win | they need to upgrade their tools to be able to dig some harder materials, which at first restrict their progress |
| 05:17.48 | XenoX101 | I'm writing this down for you you lazy prick ;p |
| 05:17.51 | A1win | haha |
| 05:18.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Minecraft |
| 05:18.20 | XenoX101 | essentially |
| 05:18.28 | XenoX101 | what else |
| 05:18.43 | XenoX101 | how does power come into it etc |
| 05:18.49 | A1win | what I've planned for the ultimate goal is to have a stationary enemy (overmind seems fitting) somewhere inside the cave, and the players must construct thors and upgrade them with some protoss tech or something to defeat it |
| 05:19.22 | A1win | power generators are also built with neosteel, and require vespene gas to generate power... power lines transfer it to buildings that need it (such as the forge) |
| 05:20.17 | A1win | each player has only one unit so goliaths and thors are used as vehicles they can step into and take control of them (they also require vespene to run) |
| 05:20.58 | A1win | enemies are a bit tricky since the map is loaded dynamically... but I have some idea of how to make them work |
| 05:22.20 | A1win | unburrowing randomly at player structures and attacking them slowly, and each structure would have a tile of unbuildable space around them so that the enemies can't spawn inside walls if they spawn into unspawned area (checking that might be a bit too performance intensive) |
| 05:22.42 | A1win | and when they move in an unspawned area, they move under the ground in burrow |
| 05:22.48 | A1win | so that they can go through walls |
| 05:23.06 | A1win | and when players come close, they unburrow as soon as they get out of the walls |
| 05:24.07 | A1win | so to defeat the enemies, the players can build turrets, which also need to be powered (and supplied with ammo), and later on they can build goliaths to defeat them without having to kite to the turrets |
| 05:24.51 | Maknyuzz | A1win |
| 05:24.55 | Maknyuzz | that game is hero defense? |
| 05:24.58 | Maknyuzz | Thor defense? |
| 05:25.07 | A1win | err.. no |
| 05:25.08 | Maknyuzz | I though everyone despise that kind of game |
| 05:25.21 | Maknyuzz | what I've planned for the ultimate goal is to have a stationary enemy (overmind seems fitting) somewhere inside the cave, and the players must construct thors and upgrade them with some protoss tech or something to defeat it |
| 05:25.27 | Maknyuzz | that sounds like hero defense |
| 05:25.28 | Maknyuzz | hmmm |
| 05:25.35 | A1win | what's defensive about attacking? |
| 05:25.36 | A1win | D: |
| 05:25.51 | A1win | and it's just the ultimate goal, you only build the thor near the end of the map |
| 05:26.04 | Maknyuzz | so its hero based rts? |
| 05:26.04 | A1win | after you've spent time to gather up all the required materials for it |
| 05:26.05 | Maknyuzz | dota |
| 05:26.07 | Maknyuzz | moba? |
| 05:26.14 | XenoX101 | ok I've got the general jist of it A1win |
| 05:26.17 | XenoX101 | now what I think is |
| 05:26.24 | Maknyuzz | A1win |
| 05:26.25 | XenoX101 | the power lines definitely should cost some money |
| 05:26.33 | XenoX101 | because the further out you are from the center of your base |
| 05:26.35 | Maknyuzz | i thought u were making maps that can go into buildings? |
| 05:26.39 | XenoX101 | the easier it is to collect those resources |
| 05:26.46 | Maknyuzz | i remember u posted the concept video |
| 05:26.50 | A1win | Maknyuzz, I was, it was too big of a project |
| 05:26.58 | XenoX101 | so in order to prevent players from just building buildings |
| 05:27.02 | XenoX101 | as close to the rocks as possible |
| 05:27.03 | A1win | I get bored of my projects too easily =p |
| 05:27.10 | XenoX101 | you put a cost to building so close to the rocks |
| 05:27.14 | XenoX101 | by making power lines cost |
| 05:27.18 | A1win | hmm |
| 05:27.18 | XenoX101 | if that makes sense |
| 05:27.33 | XenoX101 | that way they have a choice - build near your base and save money on power lines |
| 05:27.36 | XenoX101 | but travel further to the rocks |
| 05:27.44 | A1win | well they would cost if they have limited range and you need to build those repeater things, which cost |
| 05:27.44 | XenoX101 | or build near the rocks, save your travel time |
| 05:27.47 | XenoX101 | but pay for power lines |
| 05:28.06 | XenoX101 | I think the repeater idea is a bit over complicated |
| 05:28.10 | Maknyuzz | A1win ask XenoX101 skype id |
| 05:28.12 | Maknyuzz | or phone # |
| 05:28.15 | Maknyuzz | chat on the phone |
| 05:28.16 | XenoX101 | just make it use power lines |
| 05:28.18 | Maknyuzz | form a group |
| 05:28.19 | Maknyuzz | and finish that map |
| 05:28.30 | XenoX101 | and when the power lines extend just make it turn into a repeater |
| 05:28.36 | XenoX101 | if you have two things that do a very similar job |
| 05:28.38 | XenoX101 | better to just have one thing |
| 05:28.45 | XenoX101 | which adapts by itself |
| 05:28.48 | A1win | ah |
| 05:28.59 | Maknyuzz | apple started because Woz met Jobs. The two Steve |
| 05:29.14 | Maknyuzz | Microsoft got to where it is today because? Paul and Bill got together |
| 05:29.30 | Maknyuzz | Oh Blizzard... hmmm Mike morhaime, allen adham, and frank pearce. 3 guys |
| 05:29.50 | Maknyuzz | go form a team u two |
| 05:29.50 | XenoX101 | I already have him on msn ;) |
| 05:29.56 | Maknyuzz | good |
| 05:29.58 | XenoX101 | irc is just more convenient |
| 05:30.04 | Maknyuzz | ah ic |
| 05:30.15 | Maknyuzz | i was just giving inspirational speech |
| 05:30.20 | XenoX101 | I gathered ;) |
| 05:30.23 | Maknyuzz | so everyone form teams and finish map quickly |
| 05:30.34 | Maknyuzz | no more map video posting on frontpage since blizzcon |
| 05:30.37 | Maknyuzz | sad here... |
| 05:30.47 | Shawn|Rawr | I need something to do. Count me in |
| 05:30.51 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm inspired |
| 05:32.00 | A1win | a few more ideas I had: a Mineral Stripper that's basically a big building that drills down and harvests minerals from under the ground (in SC lore they had some huge moving mineral strippers somewhere) |
| 05:32.20 | Maknyuzz | A1win |
| 05:32.24 | Maknyuzz | may i propose idea? |
| 05:32.32 | A1win | mmh salvageable wreckages... but not sure if this even makes sense anymore since it's under the ground |
| 05:32.35 | A1win | go ahead |
| 05:32.43 | Maknyuzz | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/20/978/Screenshot2011-10-10_22_27_10.jpg |
| 05:32.45 | Maknyuzz | that one |
| 05:32.50 | Maknyuzz | mineral strippers |
| 05:33.13 | A1win | that looks more like a crane |
| 05:33.22 | Maknyuzz | but it strips some minerals |
| 05:33.25 | Maknyuzz | lolz |
| 05:33.30 | A1win | yeah :P but not from under the ground |
| 05:33.55 | XenoX101 | well A1win those would serve under tools that increase your mining capability |
| 05:34.02 | Maknyuzz | is Herlral even here? |
| 05:34.06 | Maknyuzz | usually he's here |
| 05:34.18 | XenoX101 | but I think you should try to |
| 05:34.23 | XenoX101 | make it less linear |
| 05:34.35 | XenoX101 | there should be a trade off for each mining tool |
| 05:34.45 | XenoX101 | like if its better at mining |
| 05:34.49 | XenoX101 | er |
| 05:34.53 | A1win | yeah, the "tech tree" is still too small as I said earlier |
| 05:34.54 | XenoX101 | if its faster at mining |
| 05:34.57 | XenoX101 | it makes you travel slower |
| 05:35.14 | A1win | hmmh |
| 05:35.15 | XenoX101 | or it may be faster at mining |
| 05:35.18 | XenoX101 | and faster at travelling |
| 05:35.22 | XenoX101 | but you can only carry X amount |
| 05:35.23 | XenoX101 | meaning more trips |
| 05:35.30 | XenoX101 | and then what you do is |
| 05:35.38 | XenoX101 | think of the benefits and downsides to more trips |
| 05:35.39 | A1win | I'm not sure about having to empty your inventory, that might get too annoying |
| 05:35.41 | XenoX101 | or more travel time |
| 05:36.04 | XenoX101 | potentially |
| 05:36.07 | XenoX101 | you have to balance it |
| 05:36.38 | XenoX101 | essentially everything you add to the game that is a linear benefit |
| 05:36.41 | A1win | ah actually I thought it the wrong way round |
| 05:36.43 | XenoX101 | you might as well not bother with |
| 05:36.59 | XenoX101 | because there's nothing interesting in getting a new unit |
| 05:37.00 | A1win | for some reason I thought of emptying your inventory as putting them into a storage where you can't use them without picking them up =P |
| 05:37.02 | XenoX101 | which is better in every way |
| 05:37.05 | A1win | but it should just be like in SC2 |
| 05:37.14 | A1win | that you harvest stuff, return it, and then it becomes useable |
| 05:37.18 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 05:37.42 | XenoX101 | so if you make travel time slower |
| 05:37.43 | XenoX101 | er |
| 05:37.53 | XenoX101 | if you make it require more trips |
| 05:38.01 | XenoX101 | then you need to give reason why that is bad |
| 05:38.03 | XenoX101 | or why that is good |
| 05:38.07 | XenoX101 | for instance |
| 05:38.15 | XenoX101 | less trips = more resources held at any given time |
| 05:38.21 | XenoX101 | what could be bad about having lots of resources with you? |
| 05:38.23 | XenoX101 | well if you get attacked |
| 05:38.25 | XenoX101 | you lose a lot more |
| 05:38.39 | XenoX101 | so then they have to balance risking more resources |
| 05:38.41 | A1win | hmm haven't thought of what happens if you die |
| 05:38.52 | XenoX101 | you see what I'm getting at though |
| 05:38.57 | A1win | yeah |
| 05:38.59 | XenoX101 | there has to be a trade off |
| 05:39.02 | XenoX101 | otherwise its not interesting |
| 05:39.09 | XenoX101 | and doesnt allow for complex decision making |
| 05:39.27 | XenoX101 | essentially you should be balancing the following |
| 05:39.36 | XenoX101 | time, life, income, defense |
| 05:39.53 | XenoX101 | and maybe a few other variables, depending how complicated you want to make it |
| 05:39.57 | XenoX101 | but every decision in the game |
| 05:40.01 | XenoX101 | every item you build or use or whatever |
| 05:40.09 | XenoX101 | should have a trade off between at least 2 of those |
| 05:40.19 | XenoX101 | not necessarily more than 2, 2 is fine |
| 05:40.29 | XenoX101 | but if it simply makes your life increase |
| 05:40.33 | XenoX101 | or your time increase |
| 05:40.40 | XenoX101 | or the only tradeoff you ever make is that you have to pay for it |
| 05:40.46 | XenoX101 | then thats linear and boring |
| 05:40.57 | XenoX101 | some things can be like that |
| 05:40.58 | A1win | there needs to be some progression though, otherwise it seems like you're just running in circles ;p |
| 05:41.01 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 05:41.03 | XenoX101 | some things can be |
| 05:41.09 | XenoX101 | but most of your choices |
| 05:41.11 | XenoX101 | should be a trade off |
| 05:41.17 | A1win | well at least the amount of resources and buildings you'll have will increase |
| 05:41.30 | A1win | oh and that needs to be limited quite a bit too, can't have thousands of structures around |
| 05:41.47 | A1win | the terrain already uses a few thousand units at most |
| 05:41.50 | XenoX101 | and yes because you are getting more resources continually |
| 05:41.54 | XenoX101 | you will always have more stuff |
| 05:41.56 | XenoX101 | progressing |
| 05:42.05 | XenoX101 | if you look at SC2 melee |
| 05:42.06 | A1win | mm... |
| 05:42.09 | XenoX101 | every single uniot |
| 05:42.11 | XenoX101 | has a weakness |
| 05:42.16 | XenoX101 | there is no such thing as a dominating unit |
| 05:42.21 | XenoX101 | or a unit that is better in every way |
| 05:42.33 | XenoX101 | if you can make your game that dynamic |
| 05:42.39 | XenoX101 | or at least in that vein |
| 05:42.44 | XenoX101 | you'll be laughing |
| 05:43.10 | XenoX101 | but anyways |
| 05:43.13 | XenoX101 | back to my HotS mod |
| 05:43.15 | XenoX101 | I'll bbl |
| 05:43.57 | A1win | Shawn|Rawr, did you have anything in mind yet? o: |
| 05:48.45 | cplusplus | Hey is anyone here good with terrain? |
| 05:49.39 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 05:49.41 | JademusSreg | Why? |
| 05:50.54 | XenoX101 | does anyone know how the 'create actor' trigger works? |
| 05:51.00 | XenoX101 | can I create a dummy marine actor for example? |
| 05:51.54 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 05:52.20 | cplusplus | I'm looking for inspiration, need to make a slightly flooded overrun terran looking zone.. |
| 05:52.42 | cplusplus | mostly flat. and unobstroctive to vision |
| 06:00.37 | A1win | ah... I forgot I hadn't planned anything about electronics yet |
| 06:01.46 | A1win | might want another material that needs to be mined for circuits and such |
| 06:02.49 | Vailreth | i really need to go in and retexture the gas geysers to be purple |
| 06:02.56 | Vailreth | or so that can be purple |
| 06:03.34 | Vailreth | they can* |
| 06:05.09 | A1win | ooo... I so want an advocate to this map, would be some epic after a long time into the map to build one and suddenly everything would metaphorically "brighten up" in some gameplay-wise manner, not quite sure how |
| 06:05.29 | A1win | err |
| 06:05.33 | A1win | I mean adjutant |
| 06:05.58 | A1win | stupid words and 9 am with no sleep :P |
| 06:07.01 | Vailreth | you should sleep |
| 06:07.27 | A1win | probably |
| 06:09.49 | A1win | hmm... maybe the adjutant manages to form a satellite link which the players haven't managed without her, and then they gain access to advanced scanning methods to find stuff in the map o: |
| 06:10.09 | Vailreth | i need to come up with some commad powers for the zerg |
| 06:10.10 | A1win | and the adjutant will keep them informed about things |
| 06:10.19 | Vailreth | interesting |
| 06:11.26 | Vailreth | what kind of things |
| 06:11.57 | A1win | approaching enemies, locations of certain materials that they can then go mine |
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| 06:12.34 | Vailreth | sounds good |
| 06:13.12 | Vailreth | i am thinking of making my infest ability a command or Swarm Mastery Power |
| 06:23.38 | A1win | but yeah... sleep time -> |
| 06:23.49 | Vailreth | later |
| 06:28.43 | Shawn|Rawr | RAWR. |
| 06:28.45 | Shawn|Rawr | I return |
| 06:28.54 | Shawn|Rawr | I seem to have missed the party |
| 06:30.15 | Vailreth | hey Shawn what race to you prefer? |
| 06:41.25 | Vailreth | so quiet.. well i think im gone |
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| 07:11.15 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm a zerg Vailreth |
| 07:16.20 | cplusplus | ugh i hate data |
| 07:16.27 | Shawn|Rawr | Then don't use it |
| 07:17.27 | cplusplus | I have to. I just want to complain |
| 07:20.46 | Shawn|Rawr | That's what we're here for |
| 07:22.08 | cplusplus | my search finds a missile... |
| 07:22.26 | cplusplus | then does a persistent when it finds the missile. |
| 07:23.02 | cplusplus | i am completely confused how to get the missiles position and facing from the persistent |
| 07:28.06 | Shawn|Rawr | No idea. I trigger everything |
| 07:28.17 | cplusplus | >_< |
| 07:28.24 | cplusplus | I think i have it... |
| 07:28.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Seriously. That's why I love my TBS so much. It's pure triggers |
| 07:28.47 | cplusplus | tbs? |
| 07:28.54 | Shawn|Rawr | Turn based strategy |
| 07:29.18 | XenoX101 | does anyone here know the difference between c val and s val text actors? |
| 07:29.36 | cplusplus | See, and I would use pure triggers if they werent so inefficient for what im trying to do |
| 07:29.52 | Shawn|Rawr | I wouldn't be doing what you're doing lol |
| 07:29.57 | Shawn|Rawr | I love triggers too much |
| 07:30.00 | cplusplus | or if it wasnt so necessary to be ridiculously efficient. |
| 07:45.07 | Maknyuzz | Shawn Rawr is a deuche |
| 07:45.09 | Maknyuzz | i hate data |
| 07:45.12 | Maknyuzz | then dont use it |
| 07:45.14 | Maknyuzz | yumm |
| 07:45.32 | Maknyuzz | man... i hate terran so op... |
| 07:45.38 | Maknyuzz | Shawn Rawr: then quit sc2 |
| 07:45.40 | Maknyuzz | yum!! |
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| 08:23.05 | XenoX101 | man I am having so much fun |
| 08:23.07 | XenoX101 | creating actor icons |
| 08:23.10 | XenoX101 | for every single unit in the game |
| 08:23.15 | XenoX101 | this is rivetting stuff truly |
| 08:25.42 | XenoX101 | also actor texts don't like brackets in their text keys |
| 08:25.46 | XenoX101 | they just wipe your text out |
| 08:25.49 | XenoX101 | if you do that |
| 08:26.06 | XenoX101 | which is not very nice |
| 08:27.39 | XenoX101 | you know we are very fortunate to have double click selection of words |
| 08:27.48 | XenoX101 | doing repetitive tasks is 100 times easier |
| 08:27.53 | XenoX101 | when you can double click the word you want to change |
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| 09:39.04 | XenoX101 | hell yes |
| 09:39.08 | XenoX101 | 50% of preordain complete |
| 09:39.17 | XenoX101 | I got the unit being built |
| 09:39.21 | XenoX101 | showing up as an icon on the building |
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| 10:07.48 | XenoX101 | hey does anyone know about |
| 10:07.51 | XenoX101 | sending actor messages to actors? |
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| 10:37.51 | XenoX101 | how often are while loops repeated? |
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| 10:42.07 | soulcarver | anybody here? |
| 10:42.16 | XenoX101 | doesnt look like it |
| 10:46.04 | soulcarver | xeno could you help me test something |
| 10:46.13 | XenoX101 | not really I'm busy sorry |
| 10:46.15 | soulcarver | for like 10 min? |
| 10:46.17 | soulcarver | k |
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| 10:57.03 | Stewox | hello ppls |
| 10:57.21 | Stewox | since when EU PTR works |
| 10:57.27 | Stewox | awesome it does now! |
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| 11:19.30 | XenoX101 | jesus |
| 11:19.31 | XenoX101 | this ability |
| 11:19.33 | XenoX101 | is taking so long |
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| 11:56.40 | ClayMuffin | anybofy out there this morning? |
| 11:58.27 | Stewox | 1.4.2mhm |
| 11:58.37 | Stewox | mhm* |
| 11:59.08 | Stewox | tunneling bannelings |
| 11:59.16 | Stewox | you're welcome nestea :D |
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| 12:32.21 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 12:32.27 | XenoX101 | is there any way to smooth blend move a unit |
| 12:32.31 | XenoX101 | over cliffs? |
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| 12:44.14 | XenoX101 | oknvm |
| 12:44.17 | XenoX101 | got it working |
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| 13:44.45 | ducky | hi anyone in hee? D |
| 13:44.50 | ducky | *here? :D |
| 13:45.59 | ducky | need a help on data related questio |
| 13:46.50 | Stewox | hello |
| 13:46.54 | Stewox | go ahead |
| 13:47.01 | Stewox | i got a counter question too |
| 13:47.21 | Stewox | how to change editor default and in-game camera angle |
| 13:47.33 | Stewox | so it stays customized when i reopen that map |
| 13:48.58 | ducky | :O no idea. Have you played Corruption RPG? |
| 13:50.10 | Stewox | nope |
| 13:50.21 | Stewox | jademussreg ? |
| 13:50.23 | ducky | does playing around camera editor does nothing? there seems to be an option to set game camera |
| 13:50.26 | Stewox | ah prolly asleep |
| 13:50.32 | Stewox | vailreth |
| 13:50.36 | Stewox | here? |
| 13:51.26 | Stewox | i will try |
| 13:51.42 | Stewox | i just want to have it set exactly the same in both places |
| 13:51.48 | Stewox | how to do it in data agian |
| 13:51.55 | Stewox | man i wasn't here for loike 3 months |
| 13:52.22 | Stewox | the down angle |
| 13:54.54 | Stewox | it's not called anything |
| 13:54.56 | Stewox | ducky |
| 13:55.06 | Stewox | it's in the camera settings |
| 13:55.10 | Stewox | it's 56 default |
| 13:55.18 | ducky | ah, you mean camera editor or what? |
| 13:55.20 | Stewox | but the name label is missing so no idea to name it |
| 13:55.24 | Stewox | mhm |
| 13:55.35 | Stewox | no |
| 13:55.44 | Stewox | the settings |
| 13:55.49 | Stewox | not the cinematic stuff |
| 13:55.59 | Stewox | terrain editor settings |
| 13:56.16 | Stewox | well Camera Editor is the name of it indeed |
| 13:57.01 | ducky | yeah, it doesn't have a name >.> .. what are you trying to do? :D |
| 13:58.17 | Stewox | ah |
| 13:58.21 | Stewox | 30 is more like it |
| 13:58.29 | Stewox | trying to feel more like C&C |
| 14:01.22 | Stewox | hey ducky |
| 14:01.28 | Stewox | and what SET GAME CAMERA Does |
| 14:01.39 | Stewox | to be sure |
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| 14:02.36 | ducky | I got no idea to be hohest :P |
| 14:02.50 | ducky | Probably makes that default game camera |
| 14:03.01 | ducky | what else should it do |
| 14:03.20 | Stewox | okay |
| 14:03.36 | ducky | or simply adjusts current view to those settings, didn't test it D: |
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| 15:22.05 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 15:23.53 | ducky | Jademus, did you play corruption rpg? |
| 15:25.30 | JademusSreg | Hm, does not ring a bell. Have a link to a topic about it? |
| 15:26.29 | ducky | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/23321-corruption-rpg/#p1 |
| 15:26.47 | ducky | hm, hold on, i might have solved my problem :D |
| 15:26.49 | Xaragoth | http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/614 So ... 40K Space Marines never heard of Zergling Rush :p |
| 15:27.04 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 15:28.20 | JademusSreg | I think I may have played it a long time ago, but I can't be certain. |
| 15:31.05 | A1win | morning |
| 15:31.16 | A1win | if you can call 6:30 pm that D: |
| 15:31.24 | JademusSreg | Morning, A1. |
| 15:33.04 | Vailreth | i wake |
| 15:34.43 | ducky | I was wondering how do I make a target indicator. When player orders his hero to attack enemy a splat is created under enemy which is visible only to attacking player. When hero switches targets splat is removed from previous target and added to new victim. |
| 15:35.13 | Xaragoth | it's 5:30pm |
| 15:35.15 | JademusSreg | Actorssss. |
| 15:35.19 | Xaragoth | you see why this does not work? :p |
| 15:35.26 | Xaragoth | on the internet, it's always morning |
| 15:35.49 | ducky | yeah, i got splats to work, but I don't know how to remove them when target switches |
| 15:36.14 | Stewox | helloo |
| 15:36.26 | JademusSreg | Base their creation and destruction on Behavior events; apply a Behavior to indicate stargeted status. |
| 15:36.34 | JademusSreg | *targeted |
| 15:36.40 | Vailreth | i still need to figure out some zerg command powers that i call swarm mastery |
| 15:36.57 | ducky | I thought so too, but then splats become visible only to enemy himself |
| 15:37.10 | JademusSreg | Will the enemy care? =D |
| 15:37.25 | JademusSreg | Player or comp enemy? |
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| 15:38.05 | ducky | enemy is comp, but I need them to be displayed only for caster. Player doesn't need to know whom his allies target |
| 15:38.20 | Vailreth | i am sure there are actor events that do not require behaviors for this |
| 15:38.47 | ducky | I did it with presistent effect at first, but i don't know how to switch targets with presistent |
| 15:38.49 | JademusSreg | Alright. How doesn't the Drakken Laser Drill regulate the appearance of the target indicator? |
| 15:38.58 | JademusSreg | Might be a good point of reference. |
| 15:39.01 | JademusSreg | *does |
| 15:39.07 | ducky | because "destroy presistent" destroys effect from all players ::( |
| 15:39.09 | JademusSreg | Fuck spelling today, apparently. |
| 15:40.03 | ducky | Drakken is for single player, so I think it won't do good for me,\.. but i'll look at it (i based my skill off nuke 1st) |
| 15:41.04 | JademusSreg | For what are these target indicators used? WoW-like target autoattacking? |
| 15:42.02 | ducky | yeah, a beat them up-like arcade game, heroes must be able to lock on targets |
| 15:42.47 | ducky | yup, apperently drakken displays splat for all players |
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| 15:44.03 | Vailreth | validate the player in the create efect |
| 15:44.10 | JademusSreg | Beat em up games typically don't involve locking on targets. Kinda subverts the gameplay involves in actually hitting them. |
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| 15:45.06 | ducky | lets say that i'm in intial planning/designing stage where I check how things will feel :P |
| 15:46.18 | ducky | Vailreth, validate for what? |
| 15:46.48 | Vailreth | the player you want to see the actor |
| 15:47.07 | Vailreth | validate against the players in the create |
| 15:47.16 | Vailreth | so it only creates for one player |
| 15:48.01 | ducky | I suppose it's for when splat is activatev via behaviors? |
| 15:50.20 | Vailreth | ? |
| 15:52.49 | ducky | So far I have following. Unit casts ability on enemy -> Set presistent effect. While presistent effect is on splat is active.. Problems appear when i try to remove splat. If i remove it through "Destroy presistent" it will destroy presistent effects from all players (which is bad if multiple players target same enemy) |
| 15:54.01 | Kueken | you mean |
| 15:54.30 | Kueken | the splat gets destroyed |
| 15:54.34 | Kueken | or the persistent? |
| 15:54.58 | Vailreth | i think he is destroying the persistents ... |
| 15:55.34 | Vailreth | why not use the actor event Persitent.Effect.Off -> destroy. |
| 15:55.54 | ducky | that's what i'm doing, killing presistents to kill splats |
| 15:55.58 | Kueken | if you mean the wrong splats get destroyed |
| 15:56.10 | Kueken | ah |
| 15:56.24 | ducky | i just don't know right way to kill presistents from specific caster |
| 15:56.35 | Kueken | well |
| 15:56.54 | Kueken | either with a matching periodic validator |
| 15:56.56 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTO9eQ9zRGw |
| 15:57.01 | Kueken | or by letting it run out |
| 15:57.12 | Kueken | if you want to avoid destroy persistent |
| 15:58.18 | JademusSreg | Funny that Takashi Miike is doing the Phoenix Wright movie. |
| 15:59.56 | ducky | what short of validator can I use? because it's possible to instantly retarget. If i apply behavior to caster to kill all target splats then won't it also kill fresh target? hmm.. on the other way putting 0.1 sec delay for old splats to die doesn't feel like it would cause much trouble |
| 16:02.13 | Kueken | so if you retarget the persistent, the old one should be destroyed? |
| 16:02.43 | Kueken | did you try to execute the destroy persistent at the caster instead of at the target? |
| 16:03.08 | Kueken | it should theoretically reference both |
| 16:04.52 | ducky | for some reason if I set it to destroy on caster it does nothing |
| 16:14.45 | Vailreth | one thing that confuses me is why use a destroy persistent effect when you could make the persistent channeld and unless i am mistaken it will destroy its self when a new order is given to the unit |
| 16:15.46 | ducky | channeled cancels when hero moves |
| 16:22.18 | Vailreth | i see |
| 16:25.52 | Stewox | hello |
| 16:26.16 | Vailreth | hello |
| 16:26.16 | Stewox | how would i make camera settings default to my custom settings when i open a certain map in editor |
| 16:26.23 | Stewox | and same ones in-game too |
| 16:26.42 | Stewox | Get Game Camera button does not do anything , nor Set Game Camera |
| 16:26.53 | Stewox | couldn't test latter |
| 16:27.48 | A1win | edit the camera data settings |
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| 16:34.28 | Vailreth | i need some ideas for zerg command powers |
| 16:42.03 | JademusSreg | Zit Drop: Deploy a cluster of explosive creep tumors over target area. |
| 16:42.13 | JademusSreg | Hey, if you don't use it, I know I will. |
| 16:46.59 | Vailreth | i think i will use a diffrent name but its a great idea |
| 16:47.18 | Vailreth | thanks |
| 16:47.21 | Vailreth | now i must brb |
| 16:52.51 | A1win | I wonder how much in detail I should introduce electronics at... either just a generic "electronics" material that's crafted from some conductor metal, or split it up into parts like circuits, processors and such |
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| 17:04.25 | A1win | http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Power_cell I wonder how those are made... |
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| 17:05.36 | cplusplus | Hello everyone |
| 17:05.41 | JademusSreg | Hi C. |
| 17:06.20 | cplusplus | :o My g++ just updated |
| 17:06.33 | cplusplus | apparently it handles implicit casting now. |
| 17:06.49 | JademusSreg | Cool./ |
| 17:07.18 | XenoX101 | hey if I put an action definition with "wait for" conditions |
| 17:07.23 | XenoX101 | will the entire trigger wait for it? |
| 17:07.27 | XenoX101 | or will it continue |
| 17:07.29 | cplusplus | How is your project coming jade? I havent heard you speak much of it lately. |
| 17:07.46 | JademusSreg | Xeno, the former. |
| 17:07.56 | XenoX101 | damnit |
| 17:08.01 | XenoX101 | I need this to be seperatte |
| 17:08.19 | JademusSreg | I tend not to speak about my projects; I prefer to wait until I have something I think is worth demonstrating. |
| 17:08.27 | A1win | hmm there's a material called Plascrete with only info I found saying "terran building material", I suppose it's similar to concrete somehow... |
| 17:09.09 | XenoX101 | jesus A1win you're still up? |
| 17:09.30 | A1win | heh, I slept for 8 hours or so |
| 17:09.37 | XenoX101 | ah k |
| 17:09.42 | A1win | from 10 am to 6 pm <.< |
| 17:10.06 | XenoX101 | aye |
| 17:10.13 | JademusSreg | No one wants to pull a Bounty; I think's its better to be tacit about works in progress, rather than promote and hype prototypes that may not see release. |
| 17:10.31 | cplusplus | pull a Bounty? |
| 17:10.45 | JademusSreg | I make lots of prototypes, but few are worth developing into complete maps. |
| 17:10.46 | cplusplus | i assume thats what he did? |
| 17:10.51 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:11.55 | XenoX101 | btw the funniest moment I had in the past week |
| 17:12.02 | XenoX101 | was today when I made my abduct ability |
| 17:12.07 | XenoX101 | I forgot to set search filters |
| 17:12.15 | JademusSreg | If I get an idea, I prototype it to see how it would work, without any overriding sense of commitment to it, in the sentiment of a scientific endeavor. |
| 17:12.18 | XenoX101 | and well, I managed to pull a command center out from its roots |
| 17:12.22 | XenoX101 | towards the unit |
| 17:12.40 | XenoX101 | it literally hopped about half a screen away |
| 17:12.45 | XenoX101 | off the main base to the natural |
| 17:12.50 | XenoX101 | er off the natural to the ground |
| 17:13.23 | JademusSreg | Bounty, on the other hand, makes prototypes, promotes them, then often drops them. No one wants to be known as the person who doersn't finish its work. =D |
| 17:13.41 | XenoX101 | oh I do that all the time |
| 17:13.43 | XenoX101 | great fun ^^ |
| 17:13.46 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 17:13.47 | XenoX101 | but you know |
| 17:13.49 | cplusplus | lol |
| 17:13.50 | XenoX101 | even if you dont finish it |
| 17:13.53 | XenoX101 | thats work done |
| 17:14.01 | XenoX101 | I dont regret saying anything cause I still did what I said I did |
| 17:14.03 | JademusSreg | That's a silly perspective. |
| 17:14.08 | XenoX101 | how |
| 17:14.15 | JademusSreg | It's a matter of purpose. |
| 17:14.25 | XenoX101 | nothing has purpose |
| 17:14.26 | cplusplus | does anyone here know much about turrets? |
| 17:14.27 | JademusSreg | If you began with the purpose to learn, then you did well no mattwer when you stop. |
| 17:14.29 | XenoX101 | purpose is created |
| 17:14.39 | JademusSreg | If you began with the purpose to complete a map, then you're a failure. |
| 17:14.53 | XenoX101 | but if that was your sole purpose |
| 17:14.56 | XenoX101 | you wouldn't be making the map |
| 17:14.57 | JademusSreg | Yes. Which is why I said it's a matter of purpose. |
| 17:14.59 | A1win | hmm I guess I'll come up with a name for a rock similar to limestone that can then be heated up and combined with... something, to form this "plascrete" |
| 17:15.14 | XenoX101 | I don't think any almost any serious mapmaker |
| 17:15.17 | XenoX101 | can honestly say they only make maps |
| 17:15.20 | XenoX101 | to finish them |
| 17:15.25 | XenoX101 | like they don't care about whats in between |
| 17:15.42 | XenoX101 | otherwise why would they be here? ;) |
| 17:16.15 | JademusSreg | If you fail to accomplish the very goals you imposed, we may rightfully say you failed in your purpose. Any tertiary purposes created after the fact to rationalize or capitalize on the failure are independent of the original failure of purpose. |
| 17:16.44 | XenoX101 | I dont think its so clear cut |
| 17:16.51 | XenoX101 | I dont think anyone is able to have |
| 17:16.57 | XenoX101 | a single goal of finishing the map |
| 17:16.59 | JademusSreg | I do. But then, I finish my projects. |
| 17:17.08 | JademusSreg | So I guess we're different kinds of folk. |
| 17:17.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:17.13 | XenoX101 | its like saying |
| 17:17.19 | XenoX101 | I will spend 5 hours a day |
| 17:17.29 | XenoX101 | hitting a piece of wood |
| 17:17.38 | XenoX101 | so that I can complete something |
| 17:17.43 | XenoX101 | would you do that? |
| 17:17.49 | JademusSreg | Do what? |
| 17:17.51 | XenoX101 | ok its not a good analogy some people do, naturally |
| 17:17.54 | XenoX101 | hit wood |
| 17:17.58 | cplusplus | You have to do that all the time |
| 17:18.02 | cplusplus | as a job |
| 17:18.04 | cplusplus | or for school |
| 17:18.08 | XenoX101 | but just think if mapmaking involved |
| 17:18.09 | XenoX101 | hitting wood |
| 17:18.13 | XenoX101 | and only hitting wood |
| 17:18.21 | XenoX101 | by your logic you would be no different |
| 17:18.26 | XenoX101 | since the goal is the same, right? |
| 17:18.38 | XenoX101 | whether you get there by hitting wood or mapmaking |
| 17:18.42 | XenoX101 | is irrelevant isnt it? ;p |
| 17:18.46 | cplusplus | but its not hitting wood, your analogy is flawed i think. Mapmaking is enjoyable, even if you have the goal of finishing a map |
| 17:18.53 | XenoX101 | thats precisely my point |
| 17:18.58 | XenoX101 | because it is enjoyable |
| 17:19.02 | XenoX101 | that becomes part of the goal |
| 17:19.09 | XenoX101 | not the main part for most |
| 17:19.13 | cplusplus | ...:/ |
| 17:19.20 | XenoX101 | but if you were to ignore all that was enjoyable |
| 17:19.23 | A1win | but why promote it to other people D: |
| 17:19.25 | XenoX101 | I can almost assure youy |
| 17:19.29 | XenoX101 | you wouldn't have the same goal |
| 17:19.51 | XenoX101 | I think the enjoyability to some degree has to be part of it |
| 17:19.54 | XenoX101 | unless you're really |
| 17:20.02 | JademusSreg | It seems you're comflating enjoyment with purpose. But then, you're difficult to understand since you don't speak in complete sentences; I can't really follow what you're saying. |
| 17:20.05 | XenoX101 | apathetic maybe? |
| 17:20.31 | XenoX101 | well I don't see purpose as existing without enjoyment |
| 17:20.42 | XenoX101 | they don't conflate because they aren't in opposition |
| 17:20.47 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:20.49 | cplusplus | Xenox, You dont think purpose can exist without enjoyment? |
| 17:20.57 | XenoX101 | it can exist that way |
| 17:21.04 | XenoX101 | but not for mapmaking, for most people I would argue |
| 17:21.30 | XenoX101 | for some things sure, people have a strong enough desire to do it |
| 17:21.41 | XenoX101 | that no matter how enjoyable or unenjoyable it is |
| 17:21.43 | XenoX101 | they do it |
| 17:21.59 | cplusplus | Well i'd agree that the purpose of mapmaking for most people is enjoyment. |
| 17:22.14 | XenoX101 | I would say the goal is still the main part |
| 17:22.16 | cplusplus | If it weren't enjoyable i dont believe a lot of people would do it. |
| 17:22.21 | XenoX101 | but yes, exactly |
| 17:22.22 | A1win | my purpose in mapmaking is enjoyment, and that's why I've given up on promoting my ideas as much as I used to, because I know that if I stop enjoying it, the project will die, and people will get disappointed |
| 17:22.24 | XenoX101 | your second point |
| 17:22.45 | XenoX101 | fair call |
| 17:23.10 | cplusplus | Xenox |
| 17:23.12 | cplusplus | do me a |
| 17:23.14 | cplusplus | favor though |
| 17:23.15 | cplusplus | and speak |
| 17:23.18 | cplusplus | in complete |
| 17:23.20 | cplusplus | and whole |
| 17:23.22 | cplusplus | thoughts |
| 17:23.24 | A1win | I still do it a bit (here) to get some feedback on what I'm working on, but I'm not going about and saying that I will finish the project |
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| 17:26.52 | JademusSreg | You undertake an activity with a purpose, a goal that defines the ends toward which your activity works to accomplish. I never asserted one could not make a purpose of enjoyment. Rather, I said as much that if one has a goal one fails to accomplish, we may rightfully point out one has failed to fulfill that goal, regardless of whatever consolation prizes one invents after the fact. |
| 17:28.54 | XenoX101 | well yes if your purpose is strictly not involved with enjoyment |
| 17:29.04 | XenoX101 | which I said is possible |
| 17:29.11 | XenoX101 | but in my opinion improbable in this community |
| 17:29.16 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:29.27 | JademusSreg | I enjoy my work. |
| 17:29.34 | XenoX101 | do you enjoy it before its done? |
| 17:29.39 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:29.55 | JademusSreg | Especially terrain. It's a soothing, zen-like experience. |
| 17:30.03 | XenoX101 | indeed |
| 17:30.32 | XenoX101 | I actually think it's a bit of a philosophical fallacy to say the enjoyment has no part in it |
| 17:30.45 | XenoX101 | fallacy of seperation |
| 17:30.46 | XenoX101 | or something |
| 17:30.52 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:30.58 | XenoX101 | because you are taking the act of mapmaking |
| 17:31.05 | XenoX101 | and the goal of making a map |
| 17:31.13 | XenoX101 | and seperating that goal into |
| 17:31.17 | XenoX101 | a single part |
| 17:31.46 | XenoX101 | I mean it makes sense still, to achieve a goal without enjoyment |
| 17:32.08 | XenoX101 | but if the goal involves enjoyment |
| 17:32.18 | XenoX101 | you necessarily must be seeking to achieve enjoyment |
| 17:32.30 | XenoX101 | otherwise you would not be seeking part of the goal? |
| 17:32.42 | cplusplus | so in all seriousness, i have a problem that isnt what we're discussing at all. |
| 17:32.48 | cplusplus | :D |
| 17:33.28 | cplusplus | Im trying to make a unit orbit another unit thats invisible, or orbit an arbitrary point (whichever is easiest) |
| 17:33.57 | cplusplus | and i dont know how to go about doing it |
| 17:34.00 | JademusSreg | I didn't single out the activity of mapmaking. Why would I try to jam the catheter of existential philosophy into the narrow urethra of hobbiest modding? =D |
| 17:35.48 | Vailreth | nice visual there Jade |
| 17:36.15 | XenoX101 | it does seem like you would need to single out the completion of the map |
| 17:36.22 | XenoX101 | err, isolate it I should say |
| 17:36.32 | cplusplus | Uuggghhh |
| 17:36.34 | XenoX101 | in order to conclude that your purpose in mapmaking is purely to complete it |
| 17:36.45 | XenoX101 | cplusplus |
| 17:36.53 | XenoX101 | there was a tutorial on dota-like orbs long ago |
| 17:37.15 | XenoX101 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/rotating-units/ |
| 17:37.22 | XenoX101 | drsuperevil didn't like it apparently |
| 17:37.43 | XenoX101 | rotating units in general are hard as shit to make though |
| 17:37.51 | cplusplus | I need to do it with data |
| 17:37.51 | cplusplus | lol |
| 17:37.55 | XenoX101 | yeah uh |
| 17:37.59 | XenoX101 | gl with that |
| 17:38.39 | cplusplus | i was thinking, is there a way to make a unit constantly rotate and then attach another unit to it? |
| 17:38.56 | Vailreth | not as far as i know |
| 17:39.11 | Vailreth | and ive been trying to do that for a long time |
| 17:39.13 | cplusplus | it doesnt need to dynamically attach |
| 17:39.49 | XenoX101 | there have been people |
| 17:39.52 | XenoX101 | showing off some sick stuff |
| 17:40.13 | XenoX101 | on youtube |
| 17:40.22 | Vailreth | hm |
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| 18:18.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Hell everyone |
| 18:18.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Hello* |
| 18:18.41 | JademusSreg | Hi Shawn. |
| 18:31.58 | A1win | hmm... maybe I should share all resources among the players, teach them something about team effort |
| 18:32.44 | A1win | like our communist minecraft servers |
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| 18:33.20 | A1win | server admin using a stalin skin and building his own gold vaults while others work for communism |
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| 18:35.12 | Mexa_ | At last |
| 18:35.22 | Mexa_ | A fresh windows installation =D |
| 18:36.17 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 18:38.03 | Shawn|Rawr | I had a dream where I had 3 players testing my map.. Only my map is only 1v1 right now so the 3rd player got pissed when he couldn't do anything |
| 18:38.32 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:39.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Speaking of which, I think I need to make it 2v2 because apparently no one likes 1v1 games |
| 18:41.55 | Vailreth | hello |
| 18:44.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Hello vail |
| 18:46.24 | A1win | hmm... how to display the used cargo space of the SCVs, and should the player see what it has in its cargo... maybe a simple UI label that says Cargo: x%, and in tooltip displays what it contains D: |
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| 19:38.32 | A1win | any idea how the small gap in standard ability tooltips is made, between the title and the text? |
| 19:38.50 | A1win | is it just a line break with a small text style? |
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| 19:52.26 | Twiner | want more chuck |
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| 20:40.44 | soulcarver | anybody here/ |
| 20:42.04 | Shawn|Rawr | nope |
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| 20:47.30 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 20:57.31 | Shawn|Rawr_ | I got dc'd |
| 20:57.34 | Shawn|Rawr_ | If you answered already, i didn't see it |
| 20:58.33 | Shawn|Rawr_ | Nvermind I found it |
| 21:02.13 | Mexa | hmm, they added bloodline champions on steam |
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| 21:11.34 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 21:11.39 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
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| 21:19.58 | Vailreth | hmm |
| 21:22.10 | Vailreth | i wonder, hey is Xenox Here still? |
| 21:30.08 | Shawn|Rawr | XenoX101: |
| 21:38.25 | Vailreth | any way i think i have figured out a way to the viper grab across cliffs. |
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| 21:39.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Behavior to change the mover? |
| 21:40.43 | Vailreth | as far as i can tell they cant change the mover but they can have a periodic effect that is a switch that can be validated for pathing |
| 21:41.15 | Vailreth | so when the area between the caster and the target is pathable use a force effect, when its not a teleport |
| 21:41.51 | Vailreth | wont be as clean visually as possible but it would work |
| 21:42.03 | XenoX101 | yeah I'm here |
| 21:42.42 | Shawn|Rawr | I remember now. |
| 21:43.07 | Shawn|Rawr | The way to change the mover is to use a temporary morph |
| 21:43.25 | XenoX101 | problem with changing the mover is that it is global |
| 21:43.35 | XenoX101 | you need to either morph that specific unit |
| 21:43.49 | XenoX101 | well actually thats all you can do |
| 21:44.38 | Vailreth | there is my above suggestion |
| 21:46.30 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 21:46.38 | XenoX101 | triggers is fine for now and looks the nicest |
| 21:54.35 | Shawn|Rawr | A programmer started to cuss |
| 21:54.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Because getting to sleep was a fuss |
| 21:54.39 | Shawn|Rawr | As he lay in his bed |
| 21:54.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Looping 'round in his head |
| 21:54.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Was: while (!asleep()) sheep++; |
| 21:56.16 | Vailreth | nice |
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| 22:03.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Copied it from someone's sig |
| 22:03.16 | Shawn|Rawr | ^.^ |
| 22:09.34 | Vailreth | isee |
| 22:24.18 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 22:24.29 | XenoX101 | how can I copy my map onto other maps? |
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| 22:30.56 | ClayMuffin | Whats up folks? |
| 22:31.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Depends what you are copying xenox |
| 22:31.29 | XenoX101 | data and triggers ;p |
| 22:31.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Data can be transferred through xml |
| 22:31.31 | ClayMuffin | I got a big problem |
| 22:31.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Triggers are copy-paste |
| 22:31.42 | ClayMuffin | All my triggers got reseted |
| 22:31.44 | XenoX101 | ic |
| 22:31.44 | ClayMuffin | i dont know why |
| 22:32.11 | ClayMuffin | anybody encountered that problem before |
| 22:32.26 | ClayMuffin | ? |
| 22:32.29 | ClayMuffin | brb |
| 22:32.39 | A1win | someone was telling about it once... backups ftw |
| 22:38.16 | JademusSreg | Never heard of that problem occuring. |
| 22:38.32 | JademusSreg | Do you use Undo much? There are bugs associated with it. |
| 22:38.50 | JademusSreg | Undo in the trigger editor, that is. |
| 22:46.22 | Shawn|Rawr | The more I look at this Shango TW, the more the creator cracks me up |
| 22:46.53 | Shawn|Rawr | He named a bunch of his creeps after pokemon |
| 22:47.03 | Shawn|Rawr | But the German names |
| 22:47.40 | XenoX101 | that johanesburg documentary looks good |
| 22:48.26 | XenoX101 | oh woops was from diff channel |
| 22:48.28 | XenoX101 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGOPVhQ5rhs |
| 22:48.39 | XenoX101 | oh yeah shawn |
| 22:48.59 | XenoX101 | if I modified existing data |
| 22:49.04 | XenoX101 | will that carry across with xmls? |
| 22:49.11 | XenoX101 | can I make a mod instead? |
| 22:50.35 | Shawn|Rawr | You could make a mod, sure |
| 22:50.54 | Shawn|Rawr | You'll have to publish the mod as well as the map |
| 22:51.05 | Shawn|Rawr | And I'm not sure how that works other than that |
| 22:51.28 | XenoX101 | ic |
| 22:51.31 | XenoX101 | do they both show on the list? |
| 22:52.15 | ClayMuffin | What happenend is that the triggers lost all their name and all links |
| 22:52.24 | ClayMuffin | they are still all there, but all fields are empty |
| 22:52.26 | ClayMuffin | all links |
| 22:52.48 | ClayMuffin | the irony in all this is that this happenened the night i decided to backup all my stuff |
| 22:52.52 | ClayMuffin | so even the backup is corrupted |
| 22:53.04 | ClayMuffin | fuck you Murphy's Law |
| 22:53.13 | ClayMuffin | this had to happen the night of the backup |
| 22:53.25 | ClayMuffin | i greatly suspect the autosave system |
| 22:53.48 | ClayMuffin | i turned it on yesterday night and the reset happened |
| 22:54.25 | ClayMuffin | anybody willing to check it up? Ill put it on dropbax if anybody is interested to play doctor with it |
| 22:54.38 | JademusSreg | Sounds fun. |
| 22:54.41 | JademusSreg | Do eeet. |
| 22:54.57 | ClayMuffin | it'S beyond my knowledge... Ok ill post it up, wait a sec |
| 22:56.36 | ClayMuffin | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39482924/Sand%20Storm%20backup%20111028.SC2Map |
| 22:57.07 | ClayMuffin | I'd like to be ale to understand those problem |
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| 22:58.50 | ClayMuffin | [10/29/2011 6:58:41 PM] Warning: Unable to load 'Triggers' from '/Users/felixdesrosiers/Desktop/Sand Storm backup 111028.SC2Map' |
| 22:59.13 | JademusSreg | Hilariously, it crashed my editor when I attempted to load it. |
| 22:59.15 | ClayMuffin | it ask me to save each time i quit my map, although i made no modifications |
| 22:59.22 | JademusSreg | Are you on the PTR patch? |
| 22:59.29 | ClayMuffin | the last one |
| 22:59.37 | ClayMuffin | i got a mac |
| 22:59.41 | ClayMuffin | maybe it matter |
| 22:59.47 | JademusSreg | I doubt it. |
| 22:59.54 | Shawn|Rawr | Big question.. Since wc3 has way more neutral creeps than sc2 will ever have, should I just import all the creeps used in the wc3 version into the version now, or just continue trying to do it with sc2 units? |
| 23:00.31 | JademusSreg | Shawn, it will look dreadful either way, so I guess you should go with whatever style you feel like. |
| 23:00.52 | Shawn|Rawr | This problem is mostly arising from the fact that I wanted to keep the creep names the same or similar, but he named most of them after pokemon |
| 23:00.59 | Shawn|Rawr | ^.^ |
| 23:01.03 | Shawn|Rawr | What a weird dude |
| 23:01.23 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:01.40 | JademusSreg | Clay, I have an old version of your sand storm map from 10/22 |
| 23:02.22 | ClayMuffin | ill lokk at it, but I worked a lot on it since |
| 23:02.37 | ClayMuffin | a lot |
| 23:02.40 | ClayMuffin | =-( |
| 23:03.03 | ClayMuffin | Strange thing is, it seem to reset them on opening |
| 23:03.03 | JademusSreg | I opened up the map you showed me in an mpq editor and the trigger file is still there. |
| 23:03.20 | ClayMuffin | since it ask me if i want to save my map when I quit and i made no modifications on it |
| 23:04.12 | ClayMuffin | i can still see all the trigger, but none have names and they are all at default |
| 23:05.03 | ClayMuffin | can you open it? |
| 23:05.12 | ClayMuffin | Or it crashes your editor each time? |
| 23:05.23 | JademusSreg | It crashed my editor the one time I tried. |
| 23:05.34 | JademusSreg | So I opened it in an MPQ editor. |
| 23:05.49 | ClayMuffin | can you see triggers that are still intact? |
| 23:06.18 | ClayMuffin | maybe you could make a new save from there is they are still fine |
| 23:08.10 | JademusSreg | Testing something. |
| 23:08.19 | JademusSreg | I saw some odd shit in the Trigger file. |
| 23:08.23 | A1win | hmm... not sure if vanadium will serve any real purpose if its only use is to make a more durable material than paristeel D: |
| 23:08.37 | A1win | and there already is neosteel that's even stronger |
| 23:09.10 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 23:09.13 | A1win | hmm though maybe I can make the diversity in the ways vanadium is used... |
| 23:09.16 | JademusSreg | I resurrected your triggers. |
| 23:09.21 | JademusSreg | Tada. |
| 23:09.26 | JademusSreg | Let me dropbox it for you. |
| 23:09.44 | ClayMuffin | I confirm, I con open my map and close it and it does not ask me if I wanna save it until i open the trigger file. Seem like opening the trigger section mess it up. As far as I can understand |
| 23:10.18 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Sand%20Storm%20backup%20111028.SC2Map |
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| 23:10.36 | ClayMuffin | From now on you will be called Doctor Jade |
| 23:10.44 | ClayMuffin | Thank you very much |
| 23:10.57 | ClayMuffin | any idea what happened? |
| 23:11.28 | JademusSreg | Turns out there were some NUL chars in the trigger's data; it's in XML format, not compiled bytecode or anything, so I knew that shit didn't belong. |
| 23:12.14 | ClayMuffin | Hum |
| 23:12.21 | ClayMuffin | How could I have caused this? |
| 23:12.55 | JademusSreg | Specifcially, in the fields with the value "UI_CampaignNPCSelect" |
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| 23:13.15 | ClayMuffin | crap |
| 23:13.18 | JademusSreg | Or rather, the last part was corrupted; all I saw was "UI_Campa". |
| 23:13.19 | ClayMuffin | this is a sound file i used |
| 23:13.31 | ClayMuffin | this happen when i copy stuff |
| 23:13.35 | ClayMuffin | i saw it before |
| 23:13.46 | ClayMuffin | but suppressed it before it could be saved by mistakes |
| 23:13.54 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 23:13.59 | ClayMuffin | it did that a couple of time with variable to when copy pasting |
| 23:14.19 | ClayMuffin | seem only part of it copy sometime, no idea why |
| 23:18.51 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 23:19.33 | JademusSreg | There about 6 corrupted entries I fixed; I guess you copied it ~6 times. |
| 23:20.39 | JademusSreg | I figure when the editor tried to read the triggers, it encountered a formating error and failed to load the file. |
| 23:21.33 | ClayMuffin | exactly, i used it 6 time |
| 23:21.55 | ClayMuffin | imma see if it'S still wrong or weird |
| 23:22.14 | ClayMuffin | well, in any case, you saved the weekend :D |
| 23:22.21 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:22.25 | ClayMuffin | i was kinda pissed off |
| 23:22.38 | ClayMuffin | would have taken hours to do it again , maybe 6-7 |
| 23:22.46 | ClayMuffin | im not really fast |
| 23:31.40 | ClayMuffin | see ya later guys |
| 23:32.44 | A1win | how can I convert real to text so that it only displays decimal places if they aren't zero? |
| 23:33.05 | JademusSreg | It should have an option for precision. |
| 23:33.23 | A1win | it does, but it always shows them even if they are zero |
| 23:35.37 | Aelia | hows it going jade |
| 23:36.17 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 23:36.27 | JademusSreg | Pretty well. Working on my prototype. |
| 23:36.56 | Aelia | cool |
| 23:36.59 | Aelia | for your std? |
| 23:37.25 | Aelia | i made another river of tears with my latest update |
| 23:37.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Let them eat cake |
| 23:38.00 | JademusSreg | I prototyped the main mechanic for STD already, and it wasn't viable. |
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| 23:38.40 | Aelia | huh |
| 23:38.44 | Aelia | why is that |
| 23:39.09 | JademusSreg | Didn't feel right. |
| 23:40.05 | JademusSreg | The idea was to expend a resource to draw barriers to assist in mazing, the emphasis being on drawing with the mouse. |
| 23:40.29 | JademusSreg | You'd draw a new one each round. |
| 23:48.19 | Vailreth | hmm |
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| 23:50.13 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the drawing didn't feel right. That's what prototyping is for; seeing if shit works. =D |
| 23:51.55 | A1win | where should I move that cargo usage dialog, and what should it look like? that doesn't seem right... http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/cc/Screenshot2011-10-30%2002_50_47.jpg |
| 23:52.01 | A1win | the green box is tooltip |
| 23:53.04 | A1win | probably somewhere near the resources |
| 23:53.12 | A1win | but it needs to be obvious enough to not confuse with them |
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| 23:53.32 | A1win | cargo is on the player's unit, resources are on the player and ready to be used (like in melee) |
| 23:55.28 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 23:55.53 | JademusSreg | So cargo is a distributed quality. |
| 23:56.15 | A1win | yeah, the unit can hold a bunch of stuff before it needs to return it |
| 23:56.40 | A1win | and the unit isn't always selected |
| 23:57.09 | JademusSreg | Clarify? How many cargo carrying units does the player own? |
| 23:57.18 | A1win | one |
| 23:57.26 | JademusSreg | And it will never have more? |
| 23:57.27 | A1win | those SCVs are just for testing |
| 23:57.31 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:58.16 | A1win | the SCV is the only movable unit the player can control |
| 23:58.29 | A1win | then there are neutral structures they can interact with and use their abilities |
| 23:58.48 | JademusSreg | But the player can control other stationary units? |
| 23:59.00 | A1win | well, the neutral structures |
| 23:59.13 | A1win | by interacting with them |
| 23:59.34 | A1win | = going near them with the SCV |
| 23:59.40 | JademusSreg | So they appear on the command card? |
