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| 00:06.23 | A1win | did Interact work so that only one player can interact with the unit at a time? |
| 00:10.37 | Stewox | what exactly a1win ? |
| 00:10.48 | A1win | the interact ability |
| 00:11.03 | A1win | that allows players to take control of the unit by going near it |
| 00:11.19 | Stewox | yes ... what are you talking about exactly ? |
| 00:11.25 | Stewox | carpet bomb ? |
| 00:11.29 | A1win | O.o |
| 00:11.48 | A1win | just making sure how it works |
| 00:11.53 | Stewox | who ? |
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| 00:12.27 | Stewox | interacts |
| 00:12.33 | Stewox | what with what |
| 00:12.52 | Stewox | you're asking something |
| 00:13.00 | A1win | yes and you don't know the answer ;p |
| 00:13.02 | Stewox | i thought you're talking about the conversation |
| 00:13.06 | Vailreth | you can set the interact ability to behave that way |
| 00:13.17 | Stewox | trigger |
| 00:13.30 | Vailreth | what about them? |
| 00:13.34 | Stewox | dunno about that sry ... via trigerss obviously |
| 00:13.39 | Vailreth | no |
| 00:13.41 | Stewox | i don't know what interact is |
| 00:13.42 | Stewox | :p |
| 00:13.43 | Vailreth | data |
| 00:13.51 | A1win | it's an ability type |
| 00:14.00 | Vailreth | iteract is an ability that shares superfical control of a unit |
| 00:14.12 | A1win | can it also share it to multiple players at the same time? |
| 00:14.12 | Vailreth | or it can anyway |
| 00:14.29 | Vailreth | i believe it is possible |
| 00:14.53 | Stewox | ok did you watch the videos vailreth ... not have much time it's late |
| 00:15.07 | Vailreth | yes i watched the videos |
| 00:15.08 | Stewox | scroll up |
| 00:15.11 | Stewox | cool |
| 00:15.13 | Stewox | one more |
| 00:15.15 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd3nAFPCxaw |
| 00:15.17 | Stewox | sound off |
| 00:15.20 | Stewox | music terrible |
| 00:15.21 | A1win | I'm thinking of making my crafting UI work as unit abilities, no reason to create it with dialgos since it'd just have icons anyway |
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| 00:15.51 | A1win | and it'd give reason to add more kinds of buildings if they allow you to craft different things |
| 00:16.05 | Spackenzergie | hihi |
| 00:16.07 | Stewox | also there was one other more epic showcase video from a mod that i could not find now , i forgot it , this will give you how carpet bombing looks ... and should |
| 00:16.52 | Vailreth | aside from some height issues i think my ability is pretty close |
| 00:17.09 | Stewox | the secret is in the freefall |
| 00:17.12 | Stewox | and slow |
| 00:17.25 | Stewox | not some missle going down super lightning fast |
| 00:17.34 | Vailreth | that would just be a mover |
| 00:17.41 | Vailreth | not a problem really |
| 00:17.42 | Stewox | also ... paradrop is cool |
| 00:17.54 | Stewox | parachutes we need |
| 00:18.07 | Stewox | also did you see the split |
| 00:18.12 | Stewox | it's in the middle of the video |
| 00:18.20 | Stewox | that large slow plane is b-52 |
| 00:18.34 | Vailreth | yes |
| 00:18.37 | Stewox | the carpet bombs drop off |
| 00:18.52 | Stewox | in the middle in the air (set distance height form earth) |
| 00:18.57 | Stewox | they split into bomblets |
| 00:19.18 | Stewox | and those fall to the ground |
| 00:19.30 | Vailreth | that too is possible |
| 00:19.35 | Stewox | so now that you saw the mehanics |
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| 00:19.41 | Stewox | yeah ... how much ... ? |
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| 00:19.56 | Stewox | im for the capturing the feel of it |
| 00:20.20 | Stewox | so it feels as it looks |
| 00:20.43 | Stewox | fluid |
| 00:20.55 | Stewox | because SC2 is tile based and genZH is not |
| 00:21.07 | Stewox | or at least much smaller tiles |
| 00:21.39 | Stewox | it's not really tiles ... it's really freeroam |
| 00:21.49 | Vailreth | yeah. |
| 00:21.50 | Stewox | you can tight fit stuff to mm |
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| 00:22.37 | Stewox | but i don't expect tile based would affect the drop off sequence |
| 00:22.54 | Stewox | just feels werid when the drop will have to land on a tile spot and not just somwhere on random |
| 00:22.56 | Vailreth | the placement grid mainly effects structures |
| 00:23.02 | Stewox | oh so nothing else ? |
| 00:23.28 | Vailreth | it has a minor placement effect on everything but its very small |
| 00:24.02 | Vailreth | how ever the offsets in sc2 are not exactly random they have to be calculated and selected from randomly |
| 00:25.37 | Vailreth | my version specifes a point ofsset from the caster and fires a missile at the point |
| 00:26.18 | Vailreth | it could be randomized but i wanted that three lanes of fire look |
| 00:26.29 | Stewox | so you already have carpet code ... good |
| 00:26.44 | Stewox | i suggest doing a template code |
| 00:27.01 | Stewox | which can be applied as base for any other carpet bomb |
| 00:27.05 | Stewox | that would be great |
| 00:27.11 | Vailreth | well its not code persay its all done with the data editor |
| 00:27.25 | Stewox | instruction set or how should i say it |
| 00:27.30 | Stewox | the "piece of code" |
| 00:27.32 | Stewox | concept |
| 00:27.46 | Vailreth | a conpet tutorial maybe? |
| 00:27.54 | Stewox | and stuff it into one XML block and that's it |
| 00:28.11 | Vailreth | i dont think that can be done with SC2s structure |
| 00:28.22 | Stewox | no i no i just say like that |
| 00:28.32 | Stewox | don't take me exact , my english not so good |
| 00:28.37 | Vailreth | ah |
| 00:28.46 | Vailreth | neither is mine and its the only language i know |
| 00:29.29 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.28 | Vailreth | i am not sure i can do that, a limitation of me, because the data interactions are intricate |
| 00:30.48 | Stewox | just the data editor code , that u load , put in delivery model (airplane) , set cargo , and etc done customizingly |
| 00:31.00 | Stewox | or like this: |
| 00:31.08 | onestar | AutoTurret from raven may be what you want |
| 00:31.19 | Stewox | when you release (if you release) your carpet bomb mod |
| 00:31.37 | Stewox | then it's going to have that what you did , banshees , 3 lanes |
| 00:32.37 | Stewox | but a template would be a qucikly moddable basic carpet bomb so the one that wants to edit it doesn't have to go through your carpet bomb and spend time figuring out what to delete , what is important to leave in ...etc |
| 00:32.59 | Stewox | if you look the videos you see how millions of variations there are |
| 00:33.08 | Vailreth | yeah. |
| 00:33.12 | Stewox | small boms , large , one single big mother of all .. etc |
| 00:33.21 | Stewox | paratroopers |
| 00:33.39 | Stewox | understandable ? |
| 00:33.42 | Vailreth | yes |
| 00:33.45 | Stewox | what i meant with "template" |
| 00:33.47 | Stewox | cool :D |
| 00:33.56 | Stewox | well im really interested |
| 00:34.04 | Stewox | thanks for making effort into this |
| 00:34.11 | Vailreth | no problem |
| 00:34.43 | Stewox | but .. one last thing |
| 00:34.48 | Stewox | is it for one mod |
| 00:34.52 | Stewox | or just research you can release ? |
| 00:35.28 | Stewox | like .. private v public ? |
| 00:35.34 | Vailreth | the mod this will be part of will be opened to the public when completed |
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| 00:36.41 | Vailreth | if you would like to see others takes on this there is a forum thread with videos and sample maps that contain a variety of air support abilities |
| 00:38.59 | Vailreth | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/15505-weekly-data-exercise-4-aerial-support/ |
| 00:39.05 | Stewox | oh |
| 00:39.17 | Stewox | i just watched swarm host preview again |
| 00:40.39 | Stewox | and noticed that dustin said "and spits out 4 3 a bunch of little small bugs" |
| 00:40.57 | Stewox | so that 2 might not be final obviously as noted before in the panel |
| 00:41.16 | Vailreth | nod |
| 00:41.28 | Stewox | nod ? |
| 00:41.29 | Stewox | :P |
| 00:41.43 | Vailreth | yes |
| 00:42.20 | Vailreth | i now own the complete command and conquer tiberium line |
| 00:42.40 | Vailreth | one more explansion and i will have it totally complete with the red alert 3 expansion |
| 00:47.01 | Stewox | i don't know what nod means ? |
| 00:47.11 | Stewox | in that context |
| 00:47.24 | Vailreth | sorry i mean yes |
| 00:47.34 | Vailreth | when i say nod i usually mean yes |
| 00:47.46 | Stewox | oh |
| 00:47.54 | Stewox | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/15505-weekly-data-exercise-4-aerial-support/ |
| 00:47.59 | Stewox | awesome! |
| 00:48.10 | Vailreth | yes |
| 00:51.48 | Stewox | replicant ... reminds me of Yuri Prime |
| 00:52.10 | Stewox | except structures ... so Yuri Clone |
| 00:52.11 | Vailreth | s |
| 00:52.16 | Vailreth | yes |
| 00:53.14 | Vailreth | i should make a psychic dominator in sc2! |
| 00:54.36 | Stewox | heheh |
| 00:55.27 | Stewox | i was thinking of using some of that drop pod code to implement guided-bombs dropping from airplane |
| 00:55.55 | Stewox | they fall but they guided" to the grouund kind of feel in a diagonal direction down |
| 00:55.56 | Vailreth | hm |
| 00:56.22 | Stewox | those that drop , not missiles |
| 00:57.17 | Stewox | these modern drop bombs are guided - not homing or seeking but guided to "navigate" through the air |
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| 00:59.15 | Stewox | they aren't missiles so they don't make jet boost |
| 00:59.22 | Stewox | and fall only down not anywhere else |
| 00:59.29 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 01:00.03 | Stewox | but they are pointy ... they are faster than the normal free dive bombs |
| 01:07.00 | Stewox | hmm |
| 01:07.15 | Stewox | now i will present you something ... |
| 01:08.28 | Stewox | and i can't name it yet |
| 01:08.38 | Vailreth | b |
| 01:08.40 | Vailreth | r |
| 01:08.41 | Vailreth | b |
| 01:08.44 | Stewox | ah no |
| 01:08.48 | Stewox | i need sleep |
| 01:08.55 | Stewox | how much mins ? |
| 01:29.21 | Stewox | vailreth ? here |
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| 01:33.16 | DonKalypso | Looking for some huge nerds to play Star Wars Saga Edition with me! |
| 01:33.18 | DonKalypso | I've a build I wanna try |
| 01:39.16 | Stewox | well off to bed |
| 01:39.27 | Stewox | bye |
| 01:39.42 | Stewox | ask other guys Don |
| 01:39.56 | Stewox | im to sleepy now to even think about |
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| 01:48.28 | soulcarver | does anybody know how to disable to drag box unit selection? |
| 01:51.46 | soulcarver | i guess theres nobody here? |
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| 02:04.55 | soulcarver | xeno you here? |
| 02:05.56 | Mexa_ | god dammit, I broke a plate :s |
| 02:06.13 | soulcarver | =*( |
| 02:06.33 | Vailreth | was it the expensive fine china? |
| 02:07.09 | Mexa_ | no, but it was my best friend.. |
| 02:07.18 | Mexa_ | And now it's gone |
| 02:07.47 | Vailreth | a moment of silence for the plate... |
| 02:08.29 | XenoX101 | halo |
| 02:08.30 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 02:08.31 | XenoX101 | yes I am :) |
| 02:08.49 | XenoX101 | hots 'beta' custom map should be finished today |
| 02:08.59 | XenoX101 | not much left to do, most of it relatively easy |
| 02:09.12 | XenoX101 | the rest of it wil come with things going wrong |
| 02:09.23 | XenoX101 | will* |
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| 02:13.58 | DonKalypso | Looking for some huge nerds to play Star Wars Saga Edition with me! |
| 02:13.59 | DonKalypso | I've a build I wanna try |
| 02:32.59 | Vailreth | nice xenox i hope the map plays well |
| 02:38.05 | XenoX101 | should do |
| 02:45.18 | XenoX101 | also vailreth |
| 02:45.22 | XenoX101 | I did need the attack function |
| 02:45.30 | XenoX101 | because pros will want to target fire |
| 02:45.32 | XenoX101 | with their arc shield |
| 02:45.49 | Vailreth | ok |
| 02:50.02 | Vailreth | personally i wouldnt waste time target fireing that way |
| 02:50.26 | XenoX101 | well pros definitely would |
| 02:50.35 | XenoX101 | especially since its a defensive measure |
| 02:50.47 | XenoX101 | they want to hit key units |
| 02:50.52 | Vailreth | ecactly |
| 02:51.38 | Vailreth | i really dont think the ability to target it is that important but its your map |
| 02:51.56 | XenoX101 | trust me it will be |
| 02:52.03 | XenoX101 | thats the heart of the game |
| 02:52.06 | XenoX101 | maximizing your edge |
| 02:52.17 | XenoX101 | through little things like micro, strategy and what not |
| 02:52.22 | XenoX101 | target firing is just another part of it |
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| 02:55.30 | cplusplus | man i wish i was better with data! |
| 02:55.51 | Vailreth | just takes practice and reading the wikis |
| 02:55.56 | XenoX101 | just work with it a lot |
| 02:57.45 | cplusplus | I think it takes a level of insanity that i have yet to reach. |
| 02:57.56 | cplusplus | It's SO much easier for me to program. I |
| 02:58.30 | cplusplus | I'm tempted to write a program that edits the xml for me creating effects for me, to convert triggers to data |
| 02:59.21 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 02:59.24 | XenoX101 | data is harder than programming |
| 02:59.26 | XenoX101 | er |
| 02:59.28 | XenoX101 | triggering |
| 02:59.35 | XenoX101 | because its so rigid |
| 02:59.43 | XenoX101 | and unforgiving |
| 02:59.51 | XenoX101 | if you make a mistake it will often not tell you |
| 03:00.00 | XenoX101 | and things only work a certain way |
| 03:00.11 | Vailreth | yes the debugging for data is terrible |
| 03:01.07 | cplusplus | I just dont understand the chaining of it all. It's so difficult for me to follow. |
| 03:02.07 | cplusplus | like, where to start, and how it all links together and what it means by source, caster, target, and sometimes one things target is another effects source/caster |
| 03:02.55 | Vailreth | yes the lack of proper documentation is a sever handicap |
| 03:03.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Actors link to units, units link to weapons, weapons are fun |
| 03:03.38 | cplusplus | no i mean, behaviors |
| 03:04.03 | Vailreth | what about them |
| 03:04.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Behaviors do thing to other things |
| 03:04.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Like an ability can have an effect which applies a behavior to a unit |
| 03:05.03 | cplusplus | so if i want each unit to spawn and immediately do a search effect when they spawn, it has to start as a behavior, but i only want them to do it once, so then the behavior disappears after first run |
| 03:05.15 | cplusplus | then when the search ends and it has found something, i need to start a new behavior |
| 03:05.20 | JademusSreg | Starting with the concept of links is unhelpful. As an abstraction, it's only useful once you understand the mechanism; a Unit actor and a unit can be said to be linked if the Unit actor's unitName token is set to reference the unit,. |
| 03:05.39 | JademusSreg | But unless you know that, someone saying "link the unit and the actor" is useless. |
| 03:05.41 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:05.44 | cplusplus | with its found thing as the target for the behavior so that it can pass that to an issue order effect on a periodic of whatever. |
| 03:06.33 | cplusplus | i just think the chaining is obfuscated and should have been implemented better. or i think im REALLY dumb when it comes to data |
| 03:06.41 | Vailreth | cplus what is your goal to acomplish? |
| 03:06.43 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:07.18 | cplusplus | I'm just trying to make my units move to a unit that the player controls without using any triggers |
| 03:07.29 | cplusplus | or, to use a very minimal amount of triggers |
| 03:07.34 | Vailreth | ok since triggers are out |
| 03:07.36 | JademusSreg | See: Herd |
| 03:07.55 | JademusSreg | Sheep unit has an autocast Herd ability that orders it toward a friendly unit. |
| 03:08.10 | JademusSreg | It's a good example. |
| 03:08.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Where would I start in having a hellion automatically micro itself? |
| 03:09.05 | cplusplus | Shawn, do a search for the unit then move in the -direction the unit is facing |
| 03:09.20 | cplusplus | or |
| 03:09.28 | cplusplus | the facing of the unit + 180 |
| 03:10.13 | cplusplus | so that it constantly moves away, and then have it attack when it is at a safe range |
| 03:10.26 | cplusplus | and ty jade, im looking at sheep now |
| 03:10.45 | XenoX101 | does anyone know why my |
| 03:10.50 | XenoX101 | arc shield buff gives +6 range? |
| 03:10.57 | XenoX101 | as in the weapon has |
| 03:10.58 | XenoX101 | 7 range |
| 03:10.59 | XenoX101 | +67 |
| 03:11.00 | XenoX101 | +6*\ |
| 03:11.03 | XenoX101 | +6* |
| 03:11.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Your hands are worse than Vail right now xenox |
| 03:11.26 | XenoX101 | I'm retarded ;p |
| 03:12.00 | Shawn|Rawr | ~xenox101 |
| 03:12.12 | Shawn|Rawr | Hm.. i forget the purl commands |
| 03:12.18 | Vailreth | the extreme cold in my house is allowing my neverse to superconduct and and allow my hands to move as fast as i think |
| 03:12.22 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is xenox101 |
| 03:12.22 | purl | Shawn|Rawr: what are you talking about? |
| 03:12.28 | Shawn|Rawr | Aww.. |
| 03:12.32 | Shawn|Rawr | It's deleted |
| 03:13.01 | Vailreth | but appearntly the cold is having a negative impact on my cognative functions |
| 03:13.04 | Vailreth | oo shiny |
| 03:13.09 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is prozaicmuse |
| 03:13.09 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Shawn|Rawr |
| 03:13.27 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is onetwo |
| 03:13.27 | purl | rumour has it, onetwo is a tutorial making machine with the sexiest voice ever |
| 03:13.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Awww ya.. |
| 03:14.19 | Vailreth | any one here attend blizzcon in person? |
| 03:15.00 | Shawn|Rawr | I think sixen does |
| 03:15.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Not sure |
| 03:15.42 | Vailreth | drat i had a question |
| 03:16.01 | A1win | any ideas for a huge stationary enemy that might be found underground o: |
| 03:16.17 | Vailreth | the overmind |
| 03:16.30 | Vailreth | burrowed of course |
| 03:17.39 | A1win | hmm |
| 03:18.01 | A1win | could work... might do some environment based abilities for it then :o |
| 03:18.17 | Vailreth | what would be cool is banelings from the sky |
| 03:18.31 | A1win | the map is in a cave |
| 03:18.35 | Vailreth | since its underground thecould "burrow" down till they fall on top of you |
| 03:18.42 | A1win | mm |
| 03:18.43 | Shawn|Rawr | Like creating burrowed zerglings, then have them unburrow like they were summoned or summat |
| 03:19.04 | A1win | but the map isn't a lot about fighting either, just trying to figure out something for an ultimate goal |
| 03:19.32 | Vailreth | banelings could just splatter on impact and not be an enemy as much as a hazard |
| 03:19.36 | A1win | destroying "an" overmind could work |
| 03:19.57 | Shawn|Rawr | Or the leviathan is always fun |
| 03:20.05 | Vailreth | not stationary |
| 03:20.16 | Shawn|Rawr | It is if you don't move him |
| 03:20.18 | Shawn|Rawr | :P |
| 03:20.21 | A1win | so I thoght the players could eventually build goliaths and thors (which they need to "drive" with their character) |
| 03:20.58 | A1win | goliaths for killing smaller random enemies more efficiently than by kiting them to turrets, and thor for killing the final boss |
| 03:21.31 | Vailreth | Xenox was wondering how do you handle adding the weapon to the buildings when under the effect of the buff? |
| 03:21.34 | Sixen | yeah, I did |
| 03:21.44 | Vailreth | sixen i have a question |
| 03:21.58 | Vailreth | well two the most important one first |
| 03:22.06 | Vailreth | How did blizzcon Smell? |
| 03:22.22 | Sixen | like blizzcon |
| 03:22.29 | Vailreth | the second is did you play the Hots Demo and if so what race? |
| 03:22.43 | Sixen | yes terran, but I didn't see any new units |
| 03:22.59 | Vailreth | i see |
| 03:25.23 | cplusplus | hey, how do i make my ability auto-cast? |
| 03:25.41 | JademusSreg | Flags |
| 03:25.58 | Vailreth | you capture its flag and take it back to your base |
| 03:26.20 | cplusplus | erm |
| 03:26.25 | Vailreth | sorry im feeling like a bit of a smart ass right now |
| 03:26.46 | Vailreth | no in the ability flags you tick on autocast and autocast on . |
| 03:27.24 | Vailreth | under stast |
| 03:27.47 | Shawn|Rawr | And then you set autocast validators |
| 03:28.00 | Shawn|Rawr | or just none at all so it always autocasts |
| 03:28.25 | Shawn|Rawr | Also, autocast range is important |
| 03:31.59 | cplusplus | thx for the help. My problem was I hadn't set the effect yet. |
| 03:32.02 | cplusplus | :/ |
| 03:32.05 | cplusplus | Always something dumb |
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| 03:45.31 | XenoX101 | oh and I handle the weapon with a simple trigger |
| 03:45.37 | XenoX101 | "add weapon" |
| 03:46.20 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/ActorMessages.jpg |
| 03:46.39 | Vailreth | you can just have the behavior add a weapon |
| 03:47.15 | XenoX101 | then how do I attach the simple actor |
| 03:47.26 | XenoX101 | behaviors get funny when adding weapons |
| 03:47.30 | XenoX101 | they are initially disabled |
| 03:47.37 | XenoX101 | cant be added off the bat |
| 03:47.42 | Vailreth | you just add the enable wepaon |
| 03:47.43 | XenoX101 | but anyway |
| 03:47.55 | XenoX101 | I tried that didnt work |
| 03:48.02 | XenoX101 | how do you attach simple actors |
| 03:48.16 | Vailreth | and behavior X on Create on the simple actor |
| 03:48.31 | Vailreth | then actor creation |
| 03:48.53 | Vailreth | then on actor creation you aply the tint to the host |
| 03:49.36 | Vailreth | this screen show shows all of the events i use to tint an actor when a behavior is on |
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| 03:55.12 | Vailreth | well you can create a model type actor and give it the same targeted actor events as the simple actor |
| 03:56.22 | Vailreth | i would recomend a Moden Animation style continuous model type actor |
| 03:56.52 | Vailreth | model animation style continuous ... |
| 03:57.17 | XenoX101 | actually |
| 03:57.19 | XenoX101 | I know how to do it |
| 03:57.22 | XenoX101 | I'll create a new buff |
| 03:57.26 | XenoX101 | for the size of the building |
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| 04:28.28 | soulcarver | im getting an error |
| 04:28.36 | soulcarver | says no map to main.diffuse |
| 04:28.39 | soulcarver | eh |
| 04:30.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Vail, either you can look at it, or I can just trigger it in |
| 04:31.02 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm not sure which would be easier at this point |
| 04:32.01 | Vailreth | ill take a look |
| 04:33.37 | soulcarver | can someone tell me how I write the texture information when yousing a sphere... it does use all the normal text stuffs..... that i see on units |
| 04:34.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Vail: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21183610/Lane%20Testing%20001.SC2Map |
| 04:36.33 | Shawn|Rawr | To test it, wait 4 seconds so it gives you minerals, get the upgrade from the bottom right menu, click on the siege tank icon in the middle menu, and then click the bottom arrow on the left side |
| 04:36.49 | Shawn|Rawr | And then watch the marines explode |
| 04:42.18 | Vailreth | ok give me a sec to load the map |
| 04:44.36 | Shawn|Rawr | It's mostly just triggers so shouldn't be too bad |
| 04:45.01 | Shawn|Rawr | So I can order the tank to unsiege after it doesn't autocast |
| 04:45.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Through a trigger |
| 04:45.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Damn morphs |
| 04:46.24 | Vailreth | its the vaidator |
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| 05:55.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Hello sir Kueken |
| 05:55.30 | Kueken | morning |
| 05:56.55 | Shawn|Rawr | EU morning |
| 05:57.01 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm tired as hell |
| 05:57.07 | Kueken | :) |
| 05:57.12 | Kueken | 8 am here |
| 05:57.25 | Kueken | not that I am not tired, though :D |
| 05:57.32 | cplusplus | hey Kueken, youre amazing at everything data, right? |
| 05:57.38 | cplusplus | :D |
| 05:57.44 | Kueken | uh |
| 05:57.48 | cplusplus | Just nod. |
| 05:57.51 | Kueken | I wouldn't say that myself |
| 05:58.01 | Kueken | nods |
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| 06:02.42 | Kueken | whats up with purl? o_0 |
| 06:02.54 | Shawn|Rawr | purl hi |
| 06:02.54 | purl | hey |
| 06:02.57 | cplusplus | i dont know about that guy |
| 06:03.01 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what up? |
| 06:03.01 | purl | somebody said up was the opposite of down |
| 06:03.02 | cplusplus | pfft, THAT guy... |
| 06:03.15 | Shawn|Rawr | purl is a bot |
| 06:03.33 | cplusplus | fo sho |
| 06:03.34 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is a dog |
| 06:03.34 | purl | i heard dog is In Dog We Trust |
| 06:04.18 | Shawn|Rawr | purl lick cplusplus |
| 06:04.18 | purl | ACTION licks cplusplus *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 06:04.20 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 06:04.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade's back |
| 06:04.34 | Shawn|Rawr | ! |
| 06:04.49 | Kueken | cplusplus: from what I read, Lateral Acceleration should have an influence here |
| 06:04.59 | Kueken | also a smooth rotation site op |
| 06:05.31 | Kueken | other ppl resort to setting the facing periodically via trigger |
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| 06:22.57 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is an actor event |
| 06:22.57 | purl | Shawn|Rawr: I think you lost me on that one |
| 06:23.07 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is actor events |
| 06:23.07 | purl | Shawn|Rawr: what are you talking about? |
| 06:23.17 | Shawn|Rawr | Someone deleted it |
| 06:23.19 | Shawn|Rawr | :( |
| 06:23.37 | Kueken | purl who deleted it? |
| 06:24.01 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is bleach |
| 06:24.01 | purl | [bleach] BAAAANN.... KAI!!!!!! |
| 06:24.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Haha :D |
| 06:24.21 | Shawn|Rawr | That makes me so happy |
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| 06:26.24 | Mexa_ | Exam time... herpityderpity |
| 06:26.24 | Stewox | well gg for me fo 1 week , holiday leave ,, |
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| 06:30.54 | Shawn|Rawr | How is it going Vailreth? |
| 06:33.02 | Vailreth | fine tuning some validators |
| 06:33.07 | Vailreth | for the hellion |
| 06:33.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Neat. I'm probably gonna fall asleep in like 2 minutes |
| 06:33.37 | Shawn|Rawr | So you go bananas with that |
| 06:33.38 | Shawn|Rawr | ^.^ |
| 06:34.23 | Vailreth | oh need to head to bed as well |
| 06:37.20 | Shawn|Rawr | mmk. I'll get it from you tomorrow because I can't keep my eyes open any longer. night everyone. |
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| 07:02.14 | XenoX101 | is there a way to have an ability activate |
| 07:02.19 | XenoX101 | without stopping the unit from moving? |
| 07:03.21 | cplusplus | what does a period duration do? is it like a wait? |
| 07:03.37 | XenoX101 | its a wait for the period effect |
| 07:03.47 | cplusplus | does it occur before, or after? |
| 07:05.06 | XenoX101 | before |
| 07:05.26 | XenoX101 | period duration 4, period effect blah |
| 07:05.28 | XenoX101 | casts blah after 4 seconds |
| 07:12.54 | soulcarver | anybody here? |
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| 07:30.25 | cplusplus | im here soul |
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| 07:39.11 | ProzaicMuze | Anybody around heeyuh? |
| 07:39.20 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:39.25 | cplusplus | i am omg |
| 07:39.37 | cplusplus | oh oh pick me! |
| 07:39.44 | cplusplus | Screw jade, he's overrated |
| 07:39.50 | ProzaicMuze | Psh |
| 07:39.51 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:40.15 | ProzaicMuze | Who says I have to pick when I can use yeh both? |
| 07:40.37 | cplusplus | ... |
| 07:40.38 | JademusSreg | About to go to sleep, actually. Just doing some light reading. |
| 07:40.44 | cplusplus | Ditto |
| 07:40.52 | cplusplus | and by light reading, i mean the data editor... |
| 07:40.57 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 07:40.58 | cplusplus | O_O |
| 07:40.59 | ProzaicMuze | About that |
| 07:41.18 | ProzaicMuze | For some upcoming tutorials, what sounds more appealing to you |
| 07:41.34 | ProzaicMuze | Take my current Actor Catalog as an example |
| 07:41.40 | ProzaicMuze | Right now it explains several actor types. |
| 07:41.53 | cplusplus | You should just make my map Prozaic, and put my name on it, and make it a tutorial. |
| 07:42.11 | cplusplus | I havent read your current tutorial btw |
| 07:42.12 | ProzaicMuze | I'd like to expand it out to list all Actors |
| 07:42.24 | ProzaicMuze | and then put links in some of them for more detailed tutorials |
| 07:42.25 | ProzaicMuze | OR |
| 07:42.31 | ProzaicMuze | just make lots of specific tutorials |
| 07:42.45 | JademusSreg | The former would be a convenient resource to have on hand. |
| 07:42.48 | ProzaicMuze | (Haven't released a tutorial in a while, but plan to drop a bunch) |
| 07:43.08 | ProzaicMuze | So if I did the same for Behaviors, Validators, Effects etc, then link my old tutorials from specific parts of the catalog, that'd be helpful? |
| 07:43.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:43.35 | cplusplus | I think either way is useful |
| 07:44.03 | cplusplus | However, can I make a suggestion? |
| 07:44.07 | ProzaicMuze | No |
| 07:44.08 | ProzaicMuze | never |
| 07:44.12 | cplusplus | oh :( |
| 07:44.15 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 07:44.17 | ProzaicMuze | go ahead |
| 07:44.51 | cplusplus | I haven't read A LOT of tutorials, however, the ones I have read I've noticed have a lot of instructions step-by-step on how to achieve the goal, but they rarely explain why it is the way it is. |
| 07:44.55 | JademusSreg | I'm more accustomed to reading specification documents than following tutorials; given the choice between reference material and specific instruction, I'd choose the former. |
| 07:44.56 | cplusplus | Or how that something works |
| 07:45.05 | ProzaicMuze | That's what I plan on using Catalogs for |
| 07:45.22 | ProzaicMuze | My Actor Catalog explains what lots of fields are for and how to use them |
| 07:45.48 | cplusplus | I find it really frustrating looking at tutorials that are step by step because when i need to reproduce an effect later, i dont understand the way effect chaining works until i stare at the tutorial for several hours. |
| 07:45.49 | ProzaicMuze | I figure if I use Catalogs as a shallow pass explanation it'd solve that problem without needing to add length to specific tutorials. |
| 07:46.16 | ProzaicMuze | Is this a problem with mine specifically, or just in general? |
| 07:46.23 | cplusplus | Is your Actor Catalog sort of like an API for the data editor? |
| 07:46.35 | ProzaicMuze | Since I've tried to add at least a line or two periodically to explain what I'm doing along the way. |
| 07:46.39 | ProzaicMuze | And slightly |
| 07:46.56 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/4656-data-working-with-actors-beginner-difficulty/ |
| 07:46.58 | ProzaicMuze | take a look at that. |
| 07:47.03 | cplusplus | I'm not sure if I've read your Prozaic. But mostly its in general. |
| 07:47.10 | ProzaicMuze | Ah |
| 07:47.36 | ProzaicMuze | That one is a year old and I'm going to update it soon |
| 07:47.39 | ProzaicMuze | so some of the stuff could be off |
| 07:47.48 | ProzaicMuze | But I want to make something like that for all of the main Data Tabs |
| 07:48.29 | cplusplus | That'd be pretty cool. I'm fairly novice when it comes to data |
| 07:48.45 | ProzaicMuze | lol well, almost everyone is in the same boat. |
| 07:48.55 | cplusplus | Currently I'm trying to change all my triggering work into data and am finding it... frustrating... |
| 07:48.58 | ProzaicMuze | The Data Editor can be fairly hostile. |
| 07:50.02 | cplusplus | It is seriously a pain in my ass to come up with convoluted solutions to these simple ass problems like, "following a unit" or, "teleport away from the direction youre currently facing. |
| 07:50.26 | cplusplus | or, orbit around a moving point. |
| 07:50.29 | Shawn|Rawr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.29 | purl | well, prozaicmuze is a being of pure light descended from a higher plane to grace the wicked creature that is man with his blessings of knowledge. |
| 07:50.50 | cplusplus | purl who am i? |
| 07:50.50 | purl | cplusplus shut up, you are a nobody |
| 07:50.56 | cplusplus | :'( |
| 07:50.57 | ProzaicMuze | lmao |
| 07:51.09 | cplusplus | purl is a bitch. |
| 07:51.24 | Shawn|Rawr | purl you bitch |
| 07:51.33 | ProzaicMuze | For following, you can use Effect - Issue Order with Behaviors |
| 07:51.54 | ProzaicMuze | for teleport facing you can use a Persistent to specify a direction away from caster's facing. |
| 07:52.32 | ProzaicMuze | For orbit you can either make a complex Mover or you can attach an invis turret to your unit and fake its orbit by rotating the turret about TurretZ (An Attachment Point) |
| 07:52.33 | cplusplus | well, for following i need it to follow another unit, how do i get that unit as the issue order's target? |
| 07:52.54 | ProzaicMuze | Effect - Search Area (Attach a validator that checks for the specific unit you want) |
| 07:53.10 | ProzaicMuze | Chain would be Ability > Search Area > Issue Order (Move) |
| 07:53.31 | ProzaicMuze | Behavior > Search Area > Issue Order (Move) if it needs to be passive |
| 07:53.35 | Shawn|Rawr | And PM does all this from memory.. genius |
| 07:54.07 | cplusplus | okay question: using search area a lot, is that bad? |
| 07:54.30 | cplusplus | wouldnt that lag the game if i have a ton of units constantly using search area? |
| 07:54.55 | ProzaicMuze | Only if the area is huge and the rate is something ridiculous |
| 07:55.05 | ProzaicMuze | As for following, you only need to spam search if it's going to be interrupted a lot |
| 07:55.13 | ProzaicMuze | if ALL it needs to do is follow it only needs to search once. |
| 07:55.27 | ProzaicMuze | And you can set the behavior to spam the search once per second which is no problem at all. |
| 07:55.28 | JademusSreg | Time for sleep. Later. |
| 07:55.31 | cplusplus | If i have it target the unit would it be fine? |
| 07:55.32 | ProzaicMuze | Later Jade |
| 07:55.33 | cplusplus | Cya jade |
| 07:55.45 | ProzaicMuze | @Shawn - my memory only lasts so long,sometimes I gotta pull out the editor lol ;P |
| 07:56.16 | cplusplus | Cause I was thinking of doing something like... |
| 07:56.21 | ProzaicMuze | If you have it target the unit it will move to the unit and follow. Think of how it works normally in RTS. You can have a unit follow another forever provided you don't give it another order. |
| 07:56.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Or it doesn't lose sight |
| 07:56.54 | cplusplus | Behavior > Search Area > Set - Remove behavior, apply behavior > Issue Order (Move) |
| 07:57.39 | cplusplus | where it would remove the first behavior, unless i can just have that behavior be a buff and have the buff expire |
| 07:58.34 | cplusplus | Would that work? |
| 07:59.31 | ProzaicMuze | The buff can last indefinitely if you want. |
| 07:59.53 | ProzaicMuze | You can set a duration for the buff and a period for how often it searches |
| 07:59.58 | ProzaicMuze | Thus if you want it to last forever, duration is -1 |
| 08:00.01 | ProzaicMuze | if it's 30s, obvious 30 |
| 08:00.15 | cplusplus | Gotcha. |
| 08:00.16 | ProzaicMuze | then if you want it to find it's target to serach every 2s, you set the period to 2 and your periodic effect to the search area. |
| 08:01.48 | Shawn|Rawr | So PM, easiest way to have a hellion micro itself? |
| 08:02.52 | ProzaicMuze | What kinda micor? |
| 08:02.55 | ProzaicMuze | micro* |
| 08:03.41 | Shawn|Rawr | Attack/move back, repeat. Can't move too far back, but has to continue moving towards a certain point as long as no enemies exist |
| 08:03.52 | cplusplus | i still say use a Behavior > Search Area > Persistent > Set > Issue Order (Move), Issue Order (Attack) |
| 08:05.02 | cplusplus | Persistent would offset the found unit's position in a direction opposite of your units facing direction |
| 08:05.37 | cplusplus | and then the attack would turn it back around to attack the unit. |
| 08:09.18 | ProzaicMuze | @cplusplus - So you want to issue the move and the attack in queue so it follows and then attacks? |
| 08:09.58 | ProzaicMuze | Or are you talking about the Hellion Micro? |
| 08:10.21 | soulcarver | cpu ive made that before |
| 08:10.32 | soulcarver | i have a test map you could look at but its complicated |
| 08:10.48 | soulcarver | it was a spell someone asked for |
| 08:11.24 | cplusplus | i was talking about hellion micro |
| 08:12.01 | cplusplus | What im doing is a stalker that blinks out of the way of missile attacks shot at it |
| 08:12.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Autocast when a missile gets near? |
| 08:12.34 | cplusplus | but it also needs to chase you down, and there needs to be a delay on the stalker's blink after it blinks |
| 08:12.56 | cplusplus | i have a search effect right now in a 3m radius |
| 08:13.31 | Shawn|Rawr | You mean 3 sc2 units? |
| 08:13.35 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 08:16.25 | ProzaicMuze | @Shawn - Does the micro allow the Hellion to be hit by making sure it gets at least one shot off, or is it perfect micro that sacrifices shots to avoid being hit? |
| 08:17.27 | ProzaicMuze | @cplusplus - Do you want this to be smart (know it's going to be hit) or simply blink of a missle is close? |
| 08:17.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Its just attack/move back, repeat. It can be hit |
| 08:18.19 | cplusplus | smart would be nice |
| 08:18.34 | Shawn|Rawr | I was jsut asking about method anyway, you don't need to go into too much detail |
| 08:19.16 | ProzaicMuze | Well, you have 2 options |
| 08:19.35 | ProzaicMuze | A) Behavior that checks for nearby targets every X seconds |
| 08:20.00 | ProzaicMuze | If it finds it, it uses a persistent to issue a move order away from that unit. followed by an attack. |
| 08:20.29 | ProzaicMuze | B) You setup an auto-cast ability that uses an Enumerate Area validator so that the spell cant' be auto-cast (in this case your move > attack combo) until something is in range. |
| 08:21.21 | ProzaicMuze | For A, you can only control how frequently it searches |
| 08:21.32 | ProzaicMuze | meaning if a unit moves close enough just after a period you have a slight delay |
| 08:22.21 | ProzaicMuze | with B, you can give it a CD just longer than the attack period of the weapon to ensure that it will get an attack off and it will always be able to micro once in range given that it's not running on a period loop |
| 08:29.58 | Shawn|Rawr | I think that is one of the most complicated things in my map |
| 08:32.22 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 08:33.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Funny how I set out to make something super simple and I end up needing mini-ai to get everything to work right |
| 08:33.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh well. You working on anything besides tutorials PM? |
| 08:35.15 | ProzaicMuze | SCU |
| 08:35.17 | ProzaicMuze | AoS 2 |
| 08:36.07 | Shawn|Rawr | AoS.. now that sounds fun |
| 08:37.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Then again, I have HoN so I would never play it |
| 08:38.56 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 08:38.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Still, would be fun to work on |
| 08:39.12 | Shawn|Rawr | I can't get interested in SCU |
| 08:39.31 | Shawn|Rawr | I seriously have no interest in WoW or anything like it |
| 08:39.38 | ProzaicMuze | That's fine |
| 08:39.41 | Shawn|Rawr | Plus my comp can't handle it anyway |
| 08:39.41 | ProzaicMuze | SCU isn't for everyone :) |
| 08:40.00 | ProzaicMuze | For me, SCU is a way to show off some of the more complex things I can do with the DE |
| 08:40.11 | ProzaicMuze | Most maps really don't have a place for the cool things I've found in the DE yet. |
| 08:40.45 | Shawn|Rawr | Thats good. What part have they got you on? |
| 08:45.19 | ProzaicMuze | For SCU I do Bosses, Abilities, Heroes and the mathematical formulas for balancing item/hero/ability stats |
| 08:45.25 | ProzaicMuze | For AoS 2 I'm developing their UI |
| 08:46.01 | Shawn|Rawr | Have you noticed yet that they won't let Ryan anywhere near the triggers? |
| 08:46.05 | Shawn|Rawr | ^.^ |
| 08:46.20 | Shawn|Rawr | That dude is so funny |
| 08:46.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Without DarkRev and Mille that project would've been dead a long time ago |
| 08:48.54 | ProzaicMuze | Eh, sorta |
| 08:49.11 | ProzaicMuze | They each trigger in a different way and they definitely all do triggers |
| 08:49.23 | ProzaicMuze | DarkRev handeled the physics engine, so obviously nobody touches that but him |
| 08:49.32 | ProzaicMuze | Mille is responsible for the UI and a large portion of the API |
| 08:49.39 | ProzaicMuze | thus it wouldn't make sense for Ryan to dabble in that |
| 08:50.05 | Shawn|Rawr | You gotta remember I was in that before you. I know what happened lol. |
| 08:50.07 | ProzaicMuze | While Ryan handles most of the custom ability system we've created and works with Mille on the class/hero system and game mechanics. |
| 08:50.23 | ProzaicMuze | Except that you are no longer in here and since then a lot has changed |
| 08:50.44 | ProzaicMuze | You only know what happened "back then" |
| 08:50.59 | ProzaicMuze | since then, their work has started to overlap in the middleground between their specialties. |
| 08:51.20 | ProzaicMuze | Because it would be silly if Ryan did no triggers given that he is a trigger guy, no? |
| 08:52.00 | Shawn|Rawr | Last I checked, Mille had to work it out so adding things into the triggers was stupidly easy so Ryan couldn't screw it up |
| 08:52.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Unless he's gotten better at triggers since then, I doubt he's doing a good portion of the triggers |
| 08:52.47 | Shawn|Rawr | He knows how to trigger abilities though |
| 08:52.49 | Shawn|Rawr | I'll give him that |
| 08:53.05 | ProzaicMuze | I'd say that's a pretty big generalization |
| 08:53.11 | ProzaicMuze | And goes back to specialties. |
| 08:53.40 | ProzaicMuze | If I use your perspective to describe my work in tutorials, I have to go well out of my way to ensure something I understand like I breath air is easy for you guys to understand so you don't mess it up |
| 08:53.48 | ProzaicMuze | But I don't at all say "wow these idiots, don't touch my stuff" |
| 08:53.56 | ProzaicMuze | It's more like, "this is my area, let me teach you and make it easier" |
| 08:54.14 | ProzaicMuze | Ryan is a Data/Trigger hybrid designer focused on the graphical elements |
| 08:54.17 | ProzaicMuze | Mille is a trigger junky |
| 08:54.20 | ProzaicMuze | I'm a Data junky |
| 08:54.43 | ProzaicMuze | as such in order to better work together we all try to make our parts stupid easy to understand so that the other folks can look at it and not go "omg wtf is this my brain it hurts!" |
| 08:54.52 | Shawn|Rawr | I am so not generalizing. Mille forced me to send him my maps to make sure that I wasn't as bad at triggers as Ryan |
| 08:55.13 | XenoX101 | damnit, I hate these fucking actor events |
| 08:55.25 | ProzaicMuze | @Xeno - lol Actor Events can indeed be rough ;P |
| 08:55.41 | XenoX101 | do abilities even stop, my "TargetCastStop" never stops |
| 08:55.45 | XenoX101 | er, never activates |
| 08:55.47 | ProzaicMuze | @Shawn - You don't realize it, but you really are. There are many, many parts to Triggers and Data |
| 08:56.02 | ProzaicMuze | if you were to compare OneTwo and I |
| 08:56.14 | ProzaicMuze | we're both Data guys, but we handle completely different parts of the Data Editor |
| 08:56.44 | ProzaicMuze | As such it isn't rare for me to ask him about items or him to ask me about attachments before we dive into it. |
| 08:56.53 | ProzaicMuze | We can understand HOW the DE works, but we may not use that part all the time |
| 08:56.55 | ProzaicMuze | Ryan and Mille are like that |
| 08:58.01 | ProzaicMuze | @Xeno - TargetCastStop refers to the Cast phase. If you dont' have that phase enables on the ability it will never trigger. |
| 08:58.32 | ProzaicMuze | What type of ability is it and what do you have for the Cast Start, Channel, and Finish phases? |
| 08:58.33 | XenoX101 | hm, where do I put those |
| 08:58.34 | ProzaicMuze | erm |
| 08:58.37 | ProzaicMuze | I mean fields |
| 08:58.42 | XenoX101 | basically its the ultralisk charge thing |
| 08:58.47 | XenoX101 | I put cast start time of 5s |
| 08:58.49 | ProzaicMuze | From the HOTS panel? |
| 08:58.52 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 08:58.56 | XenoX101 | and make the ultralisk actor burrow |
| 08:59.01 | XenoX101 | then I shoot a missile |
| 08:59.03 | XenoX101 | and teleport to the end |
| 08:59.17 | XenoX101 | I tried using "Target Cast Finish" and "Target Cast Stop" |
| 08:59.22 | XenoX101 | er, Target Finish Stop* |
| 08:59.29 | XenoX101 | to trigger the Unburrow part |
| 08:59.44 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 09:00.03 | ProzaicMuze | So here's how the Cast Start/Stop, Channel Start/Stop and Finish Start/Stop work |
| 09:00.12 | ProzaicMuze | For almost everything, you want to use Start |
| 09:00.31 | ProzaicMuze | In your case, you'd want to use Finish Start |
| 09:00.39 | ProzaicMuze | because FinishStart is when all of the effects have ended |
| 09:00.45 | XenoX101 | target or source? |
| 09:01.11 | ProzaicMuze | FinishStop is when a period of time specified in the ability has ended. If no time is specified, this is 0 |
| 09:01.12 | ProzaicMuze | Source |
| 09:01.15 | ProzaicMuze | Source is the unit casting the spell |
| 09:01.22 | ProzaicMuze | Target is when you cast a spell at another targert |
| 09:01.49 | ProzaicMuze | If you made a spell that interrupts, you could use Source Cast for a channel model effect, and then Target Cast to make another model effect when your target tries to cast. |
| 09:01.55 | XenoX101 | ok I got it to work however |
| 09:01.58 | XenoX101 | when I move away |
| 09:02.01 | XenoX101 | it burrows again -.- |
| 09:02.07 | XenoX101 | for no reason, there's no event for 'move' |
| 09:02.17 | ProzaicMuze | That sounds like you have the burrow animation lasting too long |
| 09:02.24 | XenoX101 | I used time scale 4 |
| 09:02.26 | ProzaicMuze | The tutorial may be a little complex, but I think it could help |
| 09:02.28 | ProzaicMuze | So check this out: |
| 09:02.35 | XenoX101 | how do time scales work |
| 09:02.38 | XenoX101 | the higher the number the faster it is? |
| 09:02.44 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/8990-data-multi-phase-spells-advanced-difficulty/ |
| 09:02.59 | XenoX101 | and durations |
| 09:03.07 | ProzaicMuze | Duration is a specific period of time for how long it lasts |
| 09:03.13 | ProzaicMuze | if you choose 5, it lasts 5 game seconds |
| 09:03.14 | XenoX101 | 2 = 2 seconds? |
| 09:03.17 | XenoX101 | k |
| 09:03.19 | XenoX101 | and time scale? |
| 09:03.37 | ProzaicMuze | Time Scale either increases or decreases by a factor |
| 09:03.43 | ProzaicMuze | I "believe" it's multiplicative |
| 09:03.43 | XenoX101 | wait, so does duration scale the animation |
| 09:03.45 | XenoX101 | or just stop |
| 09:03.48 | XenoX101 | abruptly |
| 09:03.51 | ProzaicMuze | So 5 is 5times longer |
| 09:03.55 | XenoX101 | ic |
| 09:04.06 | ProzaicMuze | and .5 is half the time |
| 09:04.18 | ProzaicMuze | I could be mistake since I haven't messed with that for a while, but it'll be obvious |
| 09:04.24 | ProzaicMuze | and you can just change it to .2 |
| 09:04.26 | ProzaicMuze | mistaken* |
| 09:04.46 | XenoX101 | grr |
| 09:04.49 | XenoX101 | it just goes back to fucking burrow |
| 09:04.52 | XenoX101 | why would it do that |
| 09:04.55 | XenoX101 | I have duration set to 0.5 |
| 09:06.06 | XenoX101 | Source Cast Start > AnimPlay Burrow Duration 0.5 |
| 09:06.22 | XenoX101 | oh wait |
| 09:06.22 | XenoX101 | hang on |
| 09:06.43 | XenoX101 | how do you unpause an animation |
| 09:07.24 | XenoX101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.49 | ProzaicMuze | AnimClear allows you to remove a specific animation |
| 09:09.02 | XenoX101 | rrr |
| 09:10.20 | XenoX101 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22742814/ultraliskcharge.png |
| 09:17.04 | XenoX101 | its always actor events |
| 09:17.07 | XenoX101 | that give me a run for my money |
| 09:17.21 | XenoX101 | damn things |
| 09:20.14 | XenoX101 | I think the problem is not unpausing the burrow |
| 09:20.21 | XenoX101 | but there's no unpause event lol |
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| 09:30.30 | XenoX101 | oh wait |
| 09:30.31 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 09:30.36 | XenoX101 | "paused: enabled" |
| 09:30.36 | XenoX101 | wow |
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| 09:53.56 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm starting to hate how cliffs cant be 1 square wide |
| 09:54.50 | XenoX101 | how do upgrades display 0 1 2 3 in the bottom part? |
| 09:54.57 | XenoX101 | is that something you can mimic? |
| 09:56.01 | Shawn|Rawr | You mean in the middle part? |
| 09:56.27 | XenoX101 | ah "Stats: Level" |
| 09:56.28 | XenoX101 | yeah |
| 09:56.34 | XenoX101 | the upgrade hand does that |
| 09:56.35 | XenoX101 | hm |
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| 10:08.17 | XenoX101 | is there any way that I can change the armor value |
| 10:08.22 | XenoX101 | at the bottom middle? |
| 10:09.51 | Mexa_ | b! |
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| 10:48.13 | XenoX101 | is there any way to maintain unit selection |
| 10:48.16 | XenoX101 | after a unit is replaced? |
| 10:50.59 | XenoX101 | nvm found it |
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| 11:06.13 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 11:06.45 | Shawn|Rawr | Is there really no doodads that look like a portal of some kind? |
| 11:40.06 | XenoX101 | man |
| 11:40.10 | XenoX101 | I really think this replicant is impossible |
| 11:40.11 | XenoX101 | upgrade wise |
| 11:40.21 | XenoX101 | theres just no way I can be that specific about weapon damage upgrades |
| 11:40.26 | XenoX101 | on individual units |
| 11:40.30 | XenoX101 | the only way is through behaviours |
| 11:43.08 | Shawn|Rawr | hm? you cant give the player with the replicator the same upgrades as the other unit? |
| 11:43.23 | XenoX101 | only if you give all your own units that upgrade |
| 11:43.26 | XenoX101 | upgrades are global |
| 11:43.45 | XenoX101 | so if I replicate a siege tank |
| 11:43.48 | XenoX101 | er |
| 11:43.52 | XenoX101 | an immortal say |
| 11:43.54 | Shawn|Rawr | well then disallow pvp |
| 11:43.59 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 11:44.04 | Shawn|Rawr | lol jk |
| 11:44.06 | Shawn|Rawr | idk |
| 11:44.11 | XenoX101 | no thats a point |
| 11:44.12 | XenoX101 | because |
| 11:44.15 | XenoX101 | behaviours work to a degree |
| 11:44.16 | XenoX101 | let me see |
| 11:44.45 | Shawn|Rawr | it would really only be a problem pvp though |
| 11:44.50 | Shawn|Rawr | gl |
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| 11:45.21 | XenoX101 | ok this is good |
| 11:45.24 | XenoX101 | the only problem unit is |
| 11:45.33 | XenoX101 | the immortal |
| 11:45.35 | XenoX101 | but I can average it out |
| 11:45.47 | XenoX101 | the rest I can give upgrades to |
| 11:45.48 | XenoX101 | sweet |
| 11:46.05 | XenoX101 | clever thinking |
| 11:46.24 | XenoX101 | its actually really uncommon for me to think |
| 11:46.27 | XenoX101 | in uneven ways like that |
| 11:46.34 | XenoX101 | should do that more |
| 11:48.51 | Shawn|Rawr | Come to think of it, I was only thinking in terms of 1v1 |
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| 11:49.20 | XenoX101 | meh, 1v1 is all that matters ;) |
| 11:49.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Then you're fine ^.^ |
| 11:49.31 | XenoX101 | I'll leave it to blizz to figure out team |
| 11:50.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Hmm. how many wc3 models do you think I can import before hitting the map size limit? |
| 11:50.19 | XenoX101 | plenty |
| 11:50.25 | XenoX101 | wc3 models are like 15 polygons each |
| 11:50.26 | XenoX101 | XD |
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| 11:51.38 | Shawn|Rawr | Good, because I'm going to need a lot |
| 11:52.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Well, not need, but prefer |
| 11:55.46 | Mexa_ | ish |
| 11:55.50 | Mexa_ | wc3 models?` |
| 11:56.03 | Mexa_ | <_< .. >_> |
| 11:56.05 | Shawn|Rawr | ya |
| 11:56.24 | Mexa_ | nasty |
| 11:56.30 | Mexa_ | I wont look good at all. |
| 11:57.04 | Shawn|Rawr | maybe |
| 11:57.13 | Mexa_ | I can guarantee it |
| 11:57.35 | Mexa_ | WoW models looks like shit in sc2, so why should wc3 models do any better:P? |
| 11:58.05 | Shawn|Rawr | because wow is a piece of shit game that can burn in hell |
| 11:58.17 | Aelia | so much rage |
| 11:58.41 | Aelia | the fact is, wow models are much higher quality than wc3 |
| 11:58.45 | Mexa_ | How wow is being a piece of shit game is very irrelevant to the quality of the models. |
| 11:58.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, I got frustrated from not getting any perfects in my last gem td match |
| 11:59.02 | Shawn|Rawr | It's all your fault |
| 11:59.05 | Aelia | lol |
| 11:59.14 | Aelia | how is t hat possible |
| 11:59.17 | Mexa_ | Or it it:P |
| 11:59.20 | Mexa_ | *is |
| 11:59.25 | Shawn|Rawr | im kidding, but it's not impossible |
| 12:00.01 | Shawn|Rawr | Last game one guy had all the ingredients for a gold, black opal, and a para and just needed the perfects. He never got them |
| 12:00.15 | Aelia | if you get chance 8 around 30 |
| 12:00.18 | Shawn|Rawr | So he wasted 3 hours |
| 12:00.31 | Aelia | the chance of getting 0 perfects is vanishingly small |
| 12:00.36 | Aelia | 3 hours? |
| 12:00.40 | Aelia | how is that possible |
| 12:00.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes, gem td takes 3 hours |
| 12:00.49 | Shawn|Rawr | if you didnt know |
| 12:00.50 | Aelia | i can clear the game in under an hour |
| 12:00.51 | Aelia | D: |
| 12:01.12 | Aelia | and thats an hour game time |
| 12:01.20 | Aelia | which is more like 45m real time |
| 12:01.27 | Shawn|Rawr | Well for a normal person, it takes more than 2 hours |
| 12:01.36 | Aelia | again |
| 12:01.39 | Aelia | what difficulty |
| 12:01.42 | Aelia | how is that possible |
| 12:01.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Normal |
| 12:01.45 | Shawn|Rawr | For me |
| 12:01.55 | Aelia | you must be the slowest player ever |
| 12:01.59 | Shawn|Rawr | Have you played your own map on bnet? |
| 12:02.05 | Shawn|Rawr | With real people? |
| 12:02.07 | Aelia | want to play a game? |
| 12:02.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Sure thing. |
| 12:02.16 | Shawn|Rawr | We'll see |
| 12:02.29 | Mexa_ | http://kotaku.com/5854157/starcraft-fans-make-their-own-kick+ass-cinematic-short |
| 12:03.24 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm usually the fastest player in the game, maybe second fastest.. and I've never beaten it under 2 hours |
| 12:03.35 | Shawn|Rawr | I can't believe you didn't know that |
| 12:03.51 | Aelia | ? |
| 12:03.55 | Aelia | ok |
| 12:03.58 | Aelia | whats your bnet name |
| 12:04.12 | Shawn|Rawr | shawn 770 |
| 12:05.51 | Mexa_ | @video btw, looks pretty cool btw, but animations and the manuscript had some drawbacks. |
| 12:06.01 | Mexa_ | *-btw |
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| 12:17.13 | XenoX101 | hey |
| 12:17.19 | XenoX101 | can scvs return minerals to nexuses? |
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| 12:28.31 | XenoX101 | hm |
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| 12:28.43 | XenoX101 | is there any reason why I shouldn't add all the upgrades of the opponents racve |
| 12:28.49 | XenoX101 | for the replicant? |
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| 12:59.53 | Ashamed | good flippen morning :) |
| 13:00.03 | Mexa_ | hey |
| 13:01.59 | XenoX101 | morning |
| 13:02.04 | XenoX101 | hey how do requirements work on behaviours |
| 13:02.11 | XenoX101 | do they disable them if they arent met? |
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| 13:10.36 | XenoX101 | damn |
| 13:10.38 | XenoX101 | this one unit |
| 13:10.40 | XenoX101 | taking me so long |
| 13:10.59 | Ashamed | xeno doesn't that suck :( |
| 13:11.07 | XenoX101 | truly |
| 13:11.30 | XenoX101 | I'm literally 3 abilities away |
| 13:11.37 | XenoX101 | from finishing the HotS map |
| 13:11.46 | Ashamed | OOOoooH shiz |
| 13:12.25 | XenoX101 | and yes I figured out how to do phase shift ;) |
| 13:12.35 | XenoX101 | (the disabling tech one) |
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| 13:16.47 | Ashamed | maken hots before blizzard |
| 13:16.50 | Ashamed | oh what will they do |
| 13:17.11 | XenoX101 | ;p |
| 13:17.15 | XenoX101 | its not going to be precise |
| 13:17.21 | XenoX101 | it will be in the ballpark |
| 13:17.28 | XenoX101 | cant make it precise without blizzard |
| 13:17.41 | Ashamed | they will ban teh map anyways |
| 13:17.45 | XenoX101 | nah they won't |
| 13:17.48 | XenoX101 | they have no reason to |
| 13:17.53 | XenoX101 | no right to |
| 13:17.58 | Ashamed | they will be like.. who does this mother fucker think he is? |
| 13:18.03 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 13:18.04 | Ashamed | Ban |
| 13:18.08 | XenoX101 | someone who has spent |
| 13:18.14 | XenoX101 | 40 hours |
| 13:18.17 | XenoX101 | in the past 3 days |
| 13:18.29 | Ashamed | exactly... they are like this mother fucker thinks he can make our game in 40 hours? |
| 13:18.45 | XenoX101 | ;p |
| 13:18.51 | Ashamed | and thats when you go YEAH BLIZZARD |
| 13:18.54 | XenoX101 | takes surprisingly longer than I thought |
| 13:18.57 | XenoX101 | but yeah |
| 13:19.04 | Ashamed | Your 3-10 year productions only take me 40 hours |
| 13:19.10 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 13:19.11 | XenoX101 | the thing is |
| 13:19.15 | XenoX101 | for them to come up with those ideas |
| 13:19.18 | XenoX101 | and the art |
| 13:19.18 | XenoX101 | etc |
| 13:19.25 | XenoX101 | not to mention single player |
| 13:19.44 | Ashamed | i bet after making starcraft it only took like 6 months to 1 year |
| 13:20.03 | Kueken | wait, you haven't finished the HotS campaign yet? |
| 13:20.06 | Ashamed | hots is done |
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| 13:30.50 | XenoX101 | you know something crazy |
| 13:30.59 | XenoX101 | the speed I move through the editor |
| 13:31.04 | XenoX101 | is probably proportionate to how |
| 13:31.09 | XenoX101 | some people that are semigood at sc2 |
| 13:31.14 | XenoX101 | move through the game |
| 13:31.28 | XenoX101 | I just realised, I do a shit ton almost instinctively |
| 13:31.46 | XenoX101 | not to brag or anything ofc |
| 13:32.00 | XenoX101 | I still suck at actor events for e.g. ;p |
| 13:34.43 | XenoX101 | do you guys get that at all, are you fast with the editor? |
| 13:37.56 | Kueken | depends on my mood |
| 13:38.21 | Kueken | but compared to most other people, I am probably pretty fast in the data editor, I guess |
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| 13:47.20 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 13:47.27 | XenoX101 | hey is there any way to edit triggers in text |
| 13:47.28 | XenoX101 | temporarily? |
| 13:47.34 | XenoX101 | I have a ton of values to change |
| 13:50.26 | Ashamed | Xeno in the script editor :) |
| 13:50.34 | XenoX101 | I tried that |
| 13:50.37 | XenoX101 | when I click save |
| 13:50.40 | XenoX101 | it asks for a galaxy file |
| 13:50.47 | Ashamed | you gotta compile it and shiz |
| 13:50.53 | XenoX101 | I tried compile |
| 13:50.55 | XenoX101 | still didnt |
| 13:50.58 | Ashamed | i am not at home so i can't do the exact instructions |
| 13:51.04 | Ashamed | you look on mapster? |
| 13:51.04 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 13:51.08 | XenoX101 | no biggy |
| 13:51.10 | XenoX101 | I did it by hand |
| 14:02.30 | XenoX101 | hm does "race of player" even work |
| 14:02.38 | XenoX101 | its being completely ignored as a condition |
| 14:03.03 | XenoX101 | oh wait nvm |
| 14:04.22 | XenoX101 | argh |
| 14:04.27 | XenoX101 | how the fuck do upgrade levels work |
| 14:04.37 | XenoX101 | do I set the upgrade level for |
| 14:04.44 | XenoX101 | Weapons Level 1? |
| 14:04.51 | XenoX101 | or do I set it for Weapons |
| 14:04.53 | XenoX101 | as 3 |
| 14:04.55 | XenoX101 | what the fuck |
| 14:05.02 | A1win | the melee upgrades all have only one level |
| 14:05.14 | XenoX101 | my units have |
| 14:05.17 | XenoX101 | upgrades set to 1/1 |
| 14:05.27 | XenoX101 | despite having |
| 14:05.30 | XenoX101 | level 3 upgrade |
| 14:05.41 | XenoX101 | let me simplify, how do I give my units all their upgrades |
| 14:05.50 | A1win | are you talking about melee upgrades? |
| 14:05.53 | XenoX101 | with triggers |
| 14:05.54 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 14:06.07 | A1win | you set the level of weapons 1, weapons 2, and weapons 3 to 1 |
| 14:06.12 | A1win | and same for armor etc. |
| 14:06.25 | XenoX101 | and that will make it show 3? |
| 14:06.27 | A1win | they are three different upgrades that depend on each other |
| 14:06.38 | A1win | yep |
| 14:06.41 | XenoX101 | damn |
| 14:06.43 | XenoX101 | so silly |
| 14:06.50 | A1win | the upgrades themselves modify the UI |
| 14:06.53 | XenoX101 | blizz need to sort their shit |
| 14:07.31 | A1win | it makes sense if you think about it ;p |
| 14:07.48 | A1win | you can't have different icons if you use only one upgrade with 3 levels, for example |
| 14:07.59 | A1win | the levels only stack the upgrade with itself |
| 14:08.13 | A1win | and nothing more |
| 14:08.42 | A1win | so if you have an upgrade that adds 1 to your damage and you set its level to 3, it adds your damage by 3, but it can only display one name and one icon on the UI for all 3 levels |
| 14:09.26 | A1win | so the melee upgrades are built so that they are different upgrades which can only be researched after the previous one is |
| 14:10.11 | XenoX101 | they could've stacked them |
| 14:10.26 | XenoX101 | like you can do with |
| 14:10.32 | XenoX101 | validators for instance |
| 14:10.39 | XenoX101 | or train abilities |
| 14:10.51 | XenoX101 | they could've complicated upgrades so that they are multi-leveled |
| 14:10.54 | XenoX101 | with multiple icons etc |
| 14:10.57 | XenoX101 | but they got lazy |
| 14:11.49 | A1win | they already have a complex system that allows that D: |
| 14:12.00 | A1win | why should they make it even more complex x_X |
| 14:12.12 | XenoX101 | so that I am not setting |
| 14:12.16 | XenoX101 | Weapons Level 3 to Level 1 |
| 14:12.18 | XenoX101 | thats retarded |
| 14:12.21 | A1win | :P |
| 14:12.32 | XenoX101 | if they want to do it that awy |
| 14:12.33 | XenoX101 | make it |
| 14:12.34 | XenoX101 | ON |
| 14:12.39 | XenoX101 | or True |
| 14:12.46 | XenoX101 | Weapons Level 3 = true, weapons level 2 = true |
| 14:12.58 | A1win | but that's only how they want to do it for their maps, the level system just adds extra depth to customizability |
| 14:14.02 | A1win | if it was like that, then everyone would have to use the boolean system which would suck for a lot of things |
| 14:14.10 | A1win | for example if you wanted to make an upgrade with 100 levels |
| 14:14.21 | A1win | have fun making 100 different upgrades that all depend on each other =p |
| 14:14.29 | XenoX101 | then why didn't they use a 3 level upgrade |
| 14:14.31 | XenoX101 | why did they have to make |
| 14:14.36 | XenoX101 | 3 seperate level 1 upgrdaes |
| 14:14.42 | XenoX101 | sure it would be more complicated |
| 14:14.43 | A1win | I already told you ;< |
| 14:14.48 | XenoX101 | big woop |
| 14:15.09 | XenoX101 | it takes a half a brain to know how to use upgrades |
| 14:15.14 | XenoX101 | in the first damn place |
| 14:15.17 | XenoX101 | people aren't gonna suddenly go |
| 14:15.25 | XenoX101 | "oh what is this I knew everything about upgrades" |
| 14:15.26 | A1win | it'd just be totally useless >.< |
| 14:15.33 | XenoX101 | "but now that its slightly more complicated I'm totally lost" |
| 14:15.39 | XenoX101 | it wouldn't be useless at all |
| 14:15.47 | A1win | you're doing that right now |
| 14:15.48 | XenoX101 | it would be perfectly, beautifully logical |
| 14:16.00 | XenoX101 | I was slightly lost because I didn't know how it worked |
| 14:16.14 | XenoX101 | but even now that I know how it worked |
| 14:16.15 | A1win | why didn't you look at them in the data editor then :| |
| 14:16.17 | XenoX101 | its not logical |
| 14:16.29 | XenoX101 | I don't know |
| 14:16.34 | XenoX101 | yelling in here is my first impulse |
| 14:16.38 | A1win | ;p |
| 14:17.47 | XenoX101 | is there a unit race property at all in the triggers? |
| 14:17.48 | XenoX101 | that I can check for? |
| 14:18.41 | A1win | dunno, there's a validator for that so might be able to use that somehow |
| 14:19.36 | A1win | is there a way to modify the tooltip of an ability? maybe with catalog set? |
| 14:19.49 | XenoX101 | yes that'd be the only way |
| 14:19.59 | XenoX101 | or upgrades |
| 14:20.03 | XenoX101 | upgrades can do fucking anything |
| 14:20.13 | XenoX101 | Edit value: Wings of Liberty > Heart of the Swarm |
| 14:20.17 | XenoX101 | sweet new version |
| 14:20.30 | A1win | mm this would require way too many upgrades though |
| 14:20.56 | A1win | modifying the material cost display to show red when there's not enough of that material.. and one ability can require multiple materials |
| 14:21.20 | A1win | and there are more than 4 material types so I can't use the normal resources |
| 14:23.33 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 14:23.58 | XenoX101 | there are tooltip triggers |
| 14:24.17 | XenoX101 | not very helpful ones though :( |
| 14:27.44 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 14:30.32 | A1win | I have a 15x15 sized are around each unit which is "rendered" at a time, meaning that the terrain cells which consist of prop units are spawned, and those around it despawned... problem is that pathfinding tries to navigate around the area if the player orders the unit to move outside it (into black mask) |
| 14:31.25 | A1win | I'm thinking of spawning a border of invisible pathing blockers around it but that'd require even more units to exist in the map... maybe not too many though |
| 14:31.46 | A1win | now it just stops units if they try to navigate to a point with pathing cost greater than direct distance |
| 14:32.05 | A1win | but that also stops then if they do that within that area so it sucks a bit |
| 14:32.18 | A1win | *them |
| 14:34.19 | XenoX101 | A1win are you good with simple logic? |
| 14:34.25 | XenoX101 | er simple math logic? |
| 14:34.43 | XenoX101 | do you know of any sure fire way I can figure out whether |
| 14:34.58 | XenoX101 | the matchup of a 1v1 is PvT or PvZ? |
| 14:35.03 | XenoX101 | with P being either player 1 or 2 |
| 14:35.09 | XenoX101 | right now I just have |
| 14:35.21 | XenoX101 | If player 1 = P, then if player 2 = T or Z |
| 14:35.32 | XenoX101 | else if player 2 = P, then if player 1 = T or Z |
| 14:35.42 | XenoX101 | I think there's an easier way to do it though, I dunno |
| 14:35.46 | XenoX101 | and I think my trigger is messing up on me |
| 14:36.42 | A1win | well that's the same as if ( (1 = P and (2 = T or 2 = Z)) or (2 = P and (1 = T or 1 = Z))) |
| 14:36.58 | XenoX101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.44 | A1win | wait no :P |
| 14:37.48 | A1win | your trigger is messed up |
| 14:37.58 | A1win | because it doesn't go to the else if, if player 1 is P |
| 14:38.14 | A1win | so if they are both P, it just goes to the first if, and then stops because player 2 is not T or Z |
| 14:38.29 | XenoX101 | oh right |
| 14:39.24 | A1win | err... but it should |
| 14:39.25 | XenoX101 | but thats fair because |
| 14:39.28 | XenoX101 | if player 1 is P |
| 14:39.34 | A1win | yeah |
| 14:39.34 | XenoX101 | and player 2 is not T or Z |
| 14:39.39 | XenoX101 | then its not PT or PZ |
| 14:39.47 | XenoX101 | is PP which not checking for |
| 14:40.09 | A1win | yeah it should work either wya |
| 14:40.11 | A1win | *way |
| 14:40.12 | XenoX101 | I dunno, this unit is just making me cry |
| 14:40.15 | XenoX101 | damn oracle |
| 14:40.18 | XenoX101 | er |
| 14:40.19 | XenoX101 | replicant |
| 14:42.28 | Thial | you could use if player 1 = P XOR player 2 = P |
| 14:44.09 | Thial | or does it make a difference for you if the other player is Z or T? |
| 14:44.53 | XenoX101 | yeah I need to know |
| 14:44.55 | XenoX101 | what player is what |
| 14:45.53 | A1win | well you'll get that from player race D: |
| 14:47.03 | A1win | so yeah, if you just do that xor check, then you know that the matchup is PvZ or PvT because both players can't be P |
| 14:47.15 | A1win | ...or ZvP or ZvT |
| 14:47.19 | A1win | err |
| 14:47.23 | A1win | TvP |
| 14:47.25 | A1win | anyway |
| 14:47.26 | Thial | ZvT is not possible |
| 14:47.42 | Thial | ah k |
| 14:47.42 | A1win | yeah wasn't meant to write that |
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| 14:59.32 | XenoX101 | yeah my trigger isn't working |
| 14:59.33 | XenoX101 | zz |
| 15:00.18 | Kueken | dont blame him |
| 15:00.27 | Kueken | he does exactly what you made him do |
| 15:01.09 | XenoX101 | http://pastebin.com/MDL0FcfY |
| 15:01.16 | XenoX101 | thats the jist of it |
| 15:01.24 | XenoX101 | its really nothing special at all |
| 15:01.28 | XenoX101 | thats why I don't understand |
| 15:01.32 | XenoX101 | why it isn't working |
| 15:01.44 | XenoX101 | if player 1 = P, then if player 2 = T, terran upgrades |
| 15:01.50 | XenoX101 | else if player 2 = Z, zerg upgrades |
| 15:01.52 | XenoX101 | repeat for player 2 |
| 15:01.56 | XenoX101 | why wouldn't it be working |
| 15:06.52 | A1win | how does it not work? |
| 15:08.50 | XenoX101 | it doesnt set the upgrades |
| 15:09.21 | A1win | use debug messages |
| 15:09.39 | A1win | display the race of each player on map init, for example |
| 15:09.44 | A1win | what are the controllers of the players? |
| 15:10.00 | A1win | if the other is set to None, I'm not sure it'd give you the correct race |
| 15:10.12 | XenoX101 | I set both to Protoss and Terran respectively |
| 15:10.14 | XenoX101 | player 1 & 2 |
| 15:10.21 | A1win | yeah but controllers? |
| 15:10.33 | XenoX101 | both user |
| 15:10.41 | A1win | might not work if you test it alone |
| 15:10.44 | A1win | try setting player 2 to computer |
| 15:11.22 | A1win | since there's only one user, the 2nd player probably doesn't exist and it gives you the wrong race |
| 15:11.42 | A1win | because the non-existing player doesn't have one |
| 15:11.47 | A1win | not sure though |
| 15:11.57 | XenoX101 | the trigger has 0 failed conditions |
| 15:11.59 | XenoX101 | eyg |
| 15:12.01 | XenoX101 | wtf* |
| 15:12.22 | A1win | those aren't conditions |
| 15:12.28 | XenoX101 | oh |
| 15:12.29 | A1win | for the trigger |
| 15:12.31 | XenoX101 | it means trigger conditions |
| 15:12.31 | XenoX101 | right |
| 15:12.33 | A1win | they are conditions for the action |
| 15:16.12 | XenoX101 | ohhhh |
| 15:16.15 | XenoX101 | it doesnt work if player 2 |
| 15:16.16 | XenoX101 | isnt computer |
| 15:16.17 | XenoX101 | wtf |
| 15:16.26 | XenoX101 | oh well at least I know its good now |
| 15:16.55 | JademusSreg | I laughed: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/fbi-gang-insane-clown-posse/ |
| 15:19.48 | XenoX101 | man blizzard is so fucking stupid |
| 15:19.59 | XenoX101 | why did they mesh campaign with melee |
| 15:20.16 | XenoX101 | if I want to use sc2 campaign assets |
| 15:20.19 | XenoX101 | I want to use them fucking seperately |
| 15:20.25 | Kueken | you can o_0 |
| 15:20.31 | XenoX101 | how |
| 15:20.35 | Kueken | there are 4 dependencies |
| 15:20.44 | Kueken | liberty |
| 15:20.50 | XenoX101 | yes but if I want to use a campaign unit |
| 15:20.51 | Kueken | which is basic |
| 15:20.53 | XenoX101 | in melee mode |
| 15:20.56 | XenoX101 | I cant do that |
| 15:21.02 | XenoX101 | without introducing all this other shit |
| 15:21.04 | XenoX101 | that I don't care about |
| 15:21.12 | XenoX101 | and ruins my units |
| 15:21.20 | Kueken | just dont use story |
| 15:21.20 | XenoX101 | battlecruiser's yamato gun requires |
| 15:21.23 | XenoX101 | a 'yamato cannon' thing |
| 15:21.32 | Kueken | story = changes to existing units |
| 15:21.41 | Kueken | campaign = all additional stuff |
| 15:21.41 | A1win | so does campaign |
| 15:22.03 | XenoX101 | will it remove my modifications |
| 15:22.09 | A1win | story just changes them even more than campaign ;p |
| 15:22.20 | Kueken | only campaign dependencies and no story dependencies does not change the melee units afaik |
| 15:22.48 | Kueken | it just adds all the assets and all the new units |
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| 15:23.57 | XenoX101 | ok |
| 15:24.35 | Kueken | just like Liberty holds all standard units and assets, and Liberty Multi does all the melee patch modifications |
| 15:25.28 | XenoX101 | tomorrow I'll have this damn mod done |
| 15:25.30 | A1win | mmh |
| 15:25.34 | XenoX101 | only abilities left are |
| 15:25.35 | XenoX101 | preordain |
| 15:25.39 | XenoX101 | which should be easy |
| 15:25.46 | XenoX101 | blinding cloud, which will be easy |
| 15:25.54 | XenoX101 | and abduct |
| 15:25.56 | XenoX101 | which I'm worried about |
| 15:26.10 | XenoX101 | does anyone know of any way to make a good looking pudge hook |
| 15:26.14 | XenoX101 | that goes across cliffs? |
| 15:27.15 | Kueken | set position via trigger and check blend? |
| 15:27.32 | Kueken | data looks clumsy, I did that already |
| 15:27.33 | XenoX101 | will it go over cliffs? |
| 15:27.36 | XenoX101 | I see |
| 15:28.15 | Kueken | well, you basically teleport it down the cliff |
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| 15:28.31 | Kueken | and hopefully the blend will make it look as if it is pulled down |
| 15:28.35 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 15:28.41 | XenoX101 | it should be ok |
| 15:28.51 | XenoX101 | once thats done |
| 15:28.53 | Kueken | data has no blend unfortunately |
| 15:28.55 | XenoX101 | I'll be laughing |
| 15:28.56 | XenoX101 | ya |
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| 15:38.28 | A1win | can upgrades change the damage effect of a weapon or just the values? |
| 15:39.08 | Kueken | if they cannot change the effect of the weapon itself, you can intersect a set effect and change the damage effect for that |
| 15:39.24 | Kueken | but they can probably change the effect as well |
| 15:39.59 | Kueken | also, you could test this in about 10 seconds :D |
| 15:40.38 | A1win | yeah seems they can |
| 16:04.39 | Mexa_ | http://store.steampowered.com/app/35720/ <3 |
| 16:29.10 | Ashamed | slow ass websites |
| 16:29.12 | Ashamed | why ! |
| 16:36.07 | JademusSreg | http://kotaku.com/5854210/kerrigan-shrute-starcrafts-drag+queen-of-blades-sans-blades |
| 16:41.14 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 16:41.20 | JademusSreg | Hi Vail. |
| 16:41.54 | Vailreth | seems i was popular for a bit last night |
| 16:42.06 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 16:42.31 | Vailreth | oh i was just ansering a lot of data issues |
| 16:42.37 | Vailreth | made me feel good |
| 16:42.56 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 16:42.57 | Ashamed | jade that was funny |
| 16:42.59 | Ashamed | good post |
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| 16:46.23 | nodgene | SC2 MAPSTERS MAP NIIIIIGHT |
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| 17:07.42 | soulcarver | hows everybody doing? |
| 17:08.50 | Mexa | Being derpity and abit tired |
| 17:08.56 | Mexa | Otherwise, all good |
| 17:10.00 | Vailreth | trying to figure out how to get Shawns Self microing hellion working |
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| 17:15.39 | Ashamed | have to go get my A+ next weekend >< |
| 17:16.41 | JademusSreg | Considering how I might go about attaching an actor to another dynamically. I'd prefer to not make an actor entry for each particular instance. |
| 17:22.08 | Vailreth | god i hate the enumerate area valiator it makes no sense |
| 17:22.56 | Vailreth | to me it makes no sense rather |
| 17:23.05 | soulcarver | what are you trying to do vail? |
| 17:24.10 | Vailreth | when enmeies are with in 5.5 range of a unit make it run away then when they are 6 or higher ranger away make the unit turn around and attack |
| 17:25.27 | JademusSreg | Data based micro. Hah, novel. |
| 17:26.00 | Vailreth | not my idea its for Shawn and its almost going smoothly |
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| 17:28.48 | CandyCorn | Hello everyone. Anyone want to help me test a demo of my map? |
| 17:28.58 | JademusSreg | Which region? |
| 17:29.11 | CandyCorn | na |
| 17:29.23 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 17:29.43 | JademusSreg | Find me in the Photon Cycles channel |
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| 17:43.08 | CandyCorn | can i get 2 testers please? |
| 17:43.13 | CandyCorn | just a quick one like 5 minutes |
| 17:43.42 | soulcarver | id help but im at work |
| 17:45.57 | soulcarver | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-feedback/27536-spacewar-tribute-remake-of-old-game/#p5 |
| 17:46.21 | soulcarver | hey jade check out the video on there that shows an actual planet looking model |
| 17:46.29 | soulcarver | hows that look to you |
| 17:51.33 | Vailreth | well i all most have the self microinghellions working to spec |
| 17:55.23 | JademusSreg | Which one? |
| 17:56.31 | JademusSreg | Besides it being nearly uniformally illuminated by the ambient light, looks great. |
| 17:57.23 | JademusSreg | Not much you can do about that though; it would be difficult to play under realistic light conditions. |
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| 18:07.56 | Vailreth | Shawn||Rawr you here by anychance? |
| 18:08.10 | Vailreth | Shawn|Rawn rather |
| 18:09.32 | Vailreth | oh well |
| 18:11.32 | Vailreth | i think my most creative idea for a map was an intrest system resources basically minierals and custom resurcer |
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| 18:14.50 | soulcarver | still here jade? |
| 18:14.57 | soulcarver | what your last post in response to me? |
| 18:15.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:15.26 | JademusSreg | In short, looks good. |
| 18:15.33 | soulcarver | cool |
| 18:15.36 | soulcarver | did you see the sun? |
| 18:17.17 | JademusSreg | Looks much better than the old one. |
| 18:17.42 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest turning up the brightness just a bit. |
| 18:17.50 | JademusSreg | Lest someone mistake it for a desert planet. |
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| 18:36.40 | soulcarver | turn up the brightness of the planets? |
| 18:36.42 | soulcarver | or sun? |
| 18:36.57 | soulcarver | im not sure if thats possible.... I didnt create the model or the textures |
| 18:37.02 | soulcarver | and i dont have 3dmax |
| 18:37.09 | JademusSreg | The sun. Using an actor event. |
| 18:37.47 | JademusSreg | Set Tint Color, set the HDI higher than 1. |
| 18:38.03 | soulcarver | ah so like 1.5 could work? |
| 18:38.05 | JademusSreg | May want to define a color, as well. |
| 18:38.08 | soulcarver | i always though HDR capped at 1 |
| 18:38.09 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 18:38.17 | JademusSreg | Play around with it, see what looks good. |
| 18:38.22 | soulcarver | Ill try it |
| 18:40.23 | Shawn|Rawr | Vailreth: hi |
| 18:41.14 | Vailreth | hello |
| 18:41.38 | Vailreth | your thors ability had its enegry cost set too high |
| 18:42.04 | Shawn|Rawr | That is true. I never set his starting energy |
| 18:42.11 | Shawn|Rawr | I d dumb things when I'm tired |
| 18:42.15 | Shawn|Rawr | do* |
| 18:42.18 | Vailreth | we all do |
| 18:42.34 | Vailreth | any way i Almost have the hellions working |
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| 18:43.14 | Vailreth | for now they will bounce back bwteen their origin and the enemy position and attack |
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| 18:43.25 | ClayMuffin | hello guys, |
| 18:43.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Well I'm glad this turned out to be a bit better than just grunt work |
| 18:43.40 | Vailreth | heh |
| 18:43.50 | ClayMuffin | anybody know how to make ability charges regenerate? |
| 18:43.55 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't know if I would've figured it out so quickly |
| 18:43.59 | Vailreth | it been hard i still dont hve them working like id like |
| 18:44.09 | Vailreth | but its a start |
| 18:44.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Clay, set the charges in the cost and then set the time use, i think |
| 18:44.33 | ClayMuffin | Thats good for 1 at a time |
| 18:44.55 | ClayMuffin | i have a weapon with 5 charges, i want them to regenerate all at the same time, when the weapon is empty |
| 18:44.55 | Vailreth | oh if you want to reset them to max you can use the modify unit effect |
| 18:45.04 | ClayMuffin | thats what i was searching for |
| 18:45.14 | ClayMuffin | ill link that to a behavior and bingo |
| 18:45.18 | Vailreth | i dont know if it can do weapons ... |
| 18:45.19 | ClayMuffin | ty |
| 18:45.27 | Vailreth | but abilities im sure |
| 18:45.28 | ClayMuffin | it'S an ability |
| 18:45.34 | Vailreth | ah |
| 18:45.35 | ClayMuffin | but i make it behave like a weapon |
| 18:46.13 | Vailreth | anyway Shawn where did you want that stalker to blink too? |
| 18:46.25 | Shawn|Rawr | If you feel like doing it, yes |
| 18:47.42 | Shawn|Rawr | As I said, I had to finish the stalker blink, hellion micro, thor barrage, and the siege tank |
| 18:47.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Apparently blink is the only one left |
| 18:48.08 | Shawn|Rawr | After this stuff, I don't even know what to add to the game anymore |
| 18:49.10 | Vailreth | testing and tweaking i guess |
| 18:50.37 | ClayMuffin | and what would be the validator type to check out ability charge amount? |
| 18:50.57 | ClayMuffin | If I may ask... n_n |
| 18:51.30 | Vailreth | f]as[p\]df;lt tnod i |
| 18:51.31 | Vailreth | sdgfgfiosdGHF;osoDDGosasdjfp |
| 18:51.44 | Vailreth | i do not think there is one |
| 18:51.55 | Vailreth | god i hate this damn irc client |
| 18:51.59 | ClayMuffin | unit compare field? |
| 18:52.36 | Vailreth | i dont think that is extensible to a units abilitie charge count |
| 18:52.51 | ClayMuffin | me neither... |
| 18:52.52 | ClayMuffin | awwww |
| 18:53.00 | ClayMuffin | i dont wanna use energy |
| 18:53.02 | ClayMuffin | for that |
| 18:53.19 | ClayMuffin | snipe attack with 5 charge that reload when the 5 are empty with a delay |
| 18:53.38 | ClayMuffin | if there is no way to validate the number fo charge, it's doing it all the time |
| 18:54.10 | Vailreth | well maybe there is away |
| 18:54.12 | ClayMuffin | any other way to set that up only in data? |
| 18:54.29 | Shawn|Rawr | You can add a behavior when the charges are > 0 and then validate the behavior |
| 18:55.03 | Vailreth | with a behavior that shares that shares charges with the ability and as in expire effect fires a persistent that delays the reload effect |
| 18:55.26 | Vailreth | and recreates the behavior |
| 18:56.14 | ClayMuffin | hum |
| 18:56.20 | ClayMuffin | yea |
| 18:57.02 | ClayMuffin | but the charge display on the button will be messes up |
| 18:57.05 | ClayMuffin | or maybe not |
| 18:57.46 | soulcarver | ise dummy behaviors created by triggers to keep track? |
| 18:58.24 | Vailreth | why use triggers ? |
| 18:58.41 | soulcarver | why not? |
| 19:00.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Because it's unnecessary |
| 19:01.05 | Shawn|Rawr | There are times and places for triggers, this is not one of the,m |
| 19:01.40 | Vailreth | personally i find that the game lags the more you use triggers to simulate data functions |
| 19:03.22 | ClayMuffin | hum |
| 19:03.33 | ClayMuffin | not to sure how to link the ability to the behavior charges |
| 19:03.47 | ClayMuffin | i can set charge location to behavior, but can't specify where |
| 19:03.52 | ClayMuffin | which behavior* |
| 19:04.03 | Vailreth | give them the same link text and the location of Unit |
| 19:04.38 | Vailreth | for both it could be Abil/Name location Unit |
| 19:05.03 | ClayMuffin | FieldUnit - Snipe Cost: Cost - Charge - Link(Abil/Snipe) |
| 19:05.08 | ClayMuffin | doe snot let me write |
| 19:05.15 | ClayMuffin | does not* |
| 19:05.22 | ClayMuffin | only abi/ value |
| 19:05.27 | ClayMuffin | that are preset |
| 19:05.33 | ClayMuffin | do i need to do that in raw? |
| 19:05.38 | Vailreth | no |
| 19:05.44 | Vailreth | this is a minor bug |
| 19:06.05 | Vailreth | you have to add a new charge value but leave it blank |
| 19:06.20 | Vailreth | then select it and click the Add Button next to the dropdown |
| 19:07.00 | Vailreth | or if there is already a blank value |
| 19:07.03 | Vailreth | just click add |
| 19:07.51 | ClayMuffin | no already made blank, your trick worked to make the blank |
| 19:08.04 | Vailreth | yeah i reported this bug in beta |
| 19:08.18 | ClayMuffin | but when i choose behavior, it still only give me preset abil/shit to choose from... |
| 19:08.26 | ClayMuffin | thats lame |
| 19:08.51 | Vailreth | where are you selecting behavior at ? |
| 19:09.03 | ClayMuffin | FieldUnit - Snipe Cost: Cost - Charge - Location(Behavior) |
| 19:09.40 | Vailreth | i believe that needs to be set to Unit not behavior |
| 19:10.40 | Vailreth | but it will still only list the already created ability strings |
| 19:11.24 | Vailreth | let me create a quick picture |
| 19:14.48 | Vailreth | sorry the ability is not a correct example |
| 19:15.48 | Vailreth | the ability i have modifies the combat damage response charge count not the cost cost charge count |
| 19:16.08 | Vailreth | if you like i could make a quick example map |
| 19:19.07 | ClayMuffin | hum |
| 19:19.49 | ClayMuffin | dont push it to far if it'S trouble, trigger can EASELY do what i want, although i try to use them at least as possible for data crap... |
| 19:19.57 | ClayMuffin | but if you can, well idd be interested of course |
| 19:20.31 | Vailreth | its no problem i like to help and its a learning opritunity |
| 19:23.48 | A1win | I'm trying to figure out how the various materials in SC lore are created, like neosteel is said to be forged from "catalytic elements" but I have no idea what that means D: |
| 19:24.04 | A1win | so little info of anything |
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| 19:28.56 | A1win | oh it just means they use catalysts to forge it |
| 19:29.10 | A1win | but it doesn't even say what element they use to create it *from* D: |
| 19:31.20 | A1win | apparently... mineral crystals, who'd have guessed |
| 19:33.48 | ClayMuffin | trigger work well, but as i said if you find the data way, ill be able to remove my "can't do that shit in data" trigger folder :D:D |
| 19:34.01 | JademusSreg | Steel is iron and some carbon, so presumably it has iron and carbon in it. |
| 19:34.24 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, it wouldn't be called steel. |
| 19:34.59 | Ashamed | ahh site badwidte is FUCKED |
| 19:35.01 | A1win | I suppose |
| 19:35.07 | Ashamed | and i cant do shit since i need to remote in >< |
| 19:35.20 | Ashamed | i just did a speed test and after about 10 minutes it came back 0.004 >< |
| 19:36.01 | A1win | wondering if I should just put iron as a base metal that they mine from the cave, and then requires minerals to be converted into neosteel in a forge |
| 19:36.04 | Ashamed | w00t time to call isp >< |
| 19:39.50 | ClayMuffin | are text tag like window? |
| 19:40.02 | ClayMuffin | do you need to show them? Or thay are shown by default? |
| 19:42.42 | Dustin | They should be initially visible i think |
| 19:43.13 | Vailreth | http://www.box.net/shared/e00il9drgj3mi13d25da |
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| 19:58.02 | Vailreth | well thats a fine thankya.. |
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| 20:04.43 | Vailreth | now what do i do... |
| 20:04.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Are you done with my stuff? |
| 20:04.53 | Shawn|Rawr | ^.^ |
| 20:05.13 | Vailreth | you never answered my question about where the Stalkers should blink too |
| 20:05.58 | Vailreth | i am going to assume backwards and move on |
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| 20:06.28 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh sry' |
| 20:06.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Didn't see that you asked |
| 20:06.42 | Vailreth | ah no bother then |
| 20:06.51 | Shawn|Rawr | They should blink back at like <75% or something |
| 20:06.51 | Vailreth | backwards tes? |
| 20:07.02 | Vailreth | ok |
| 20:07.08 | Shawn|Rawr | But I don't want them to blink off the cliff either |
| 20:07.29 | Shawn|Rawr | I'll set the pathing for that |
| 20:07.32 | Shawn|Rawr | SHould be fine |
| 20:08.30 | Shawn|Rawr | In other news, I've been able to almost entirely recreate the terrain from Shango's TD while I've been waiting |
| 20:09.02 | Vailreth | nice |
| 20:09.24 | Shawn|Rawr | Well.. I suppose its tower wars more than a td |
| 20:10.43 | Shawn|Rawr | I found out dimensions are really hard to match going from wc3 to sc2 |
| 20:11.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Mainly because sc2 cant have 1 width cliffs |
| 20:11.58 | Ashamed | shawn sc2 = what 1.5 ? or 2? |
| 20:14.09 | Shawn|Rawr | 2 is the min for sc2 cliffs |
| 20:17.45 | Ashamed | which makes sense.. its .5 for each side |
| 20:17.49 | Ashamed | and then 1 for the walkable path |
| 20:17.57 | Ashamed | or no its the accross huh... |
| 20:18.15 | Ashamed | i dunno never paid attention to it lol |
| 20:18.50 | Shawn|Rawr | Either way, I have to use debris since the map I'm copying has a 13 square wide lane |
| 20:18.59 | Shawn|Rawr | And sc2 makes that impossibe |
| 20:22.49 | Vailreth | http://www.box.net/shared/e00il9drgj3mi13d25da |
| 20:23.02 | Vailreth | meh |
| 20:23.15 | Shawn|Rawr | RAWR! |
| 20:23.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Awesome. Now I can close this wc3 remake and never open it again |
| 20:23.44 | Shawn|Rawr | It's pretty though |
| 20:26.49 | Vailreth | im still not exactly happy with the hellions but i dont see why they are misbehaviung but either way they work to degree |
| 20:27.59 | Shawn|Rawr | http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1033/terrain001i.jpg |
| 20:28.04 | Shawn|Rawr | That's what I did while I waited |
| 20:28.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Note that I was being very lazy |
| 20:28.23 | JademusSreg | What's that? =D |
| 20:28.39 | Shawn|Rawr | I copied a map called Shango's TW from Wc3 |
| 20:28.40 | Vailreth | noted |
| 20:28.42 | Shawn|Rawr | That's the best i could do |
| 20:28.51 | JademusSreg | Never heard of it. |
| 20:28.54 | Shawn|Rawr | Me neither |
| 20:29.12 | JademusSreg | Why would you copy it then? |
| 20:29.15 | Shawn|Rawr | But someone requested a remake in the map thread, and I was waiting for Vail to finish |
| 20:29.20 | Shawn|Rawr | ^.^ |
| 20:29.21 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 20:29.37 | Shawn|Rawr | And let's face it, Shango is a cool ass name |
| 20:29.40 | JademusSreg | For what are the structures? |
| 20:29.41 | Shawn|Rawr | So it stuck in my head |
| 20:29.52 | Shawn|Rawr | The CC, rax, and engi bay? |
| 20:30.00 | JademusSreg | For what purpose? |
| 20:30.15 | Shawn|Rawr | CC is your main building to get your worker and pick from the 10 races |
| 20:30.26 | Shawn|Rawr | rax builds units to send to the enemy |
| 20:30.32 | Shawn|Rawr | and engi bay does upgrades |
| 20:30.46 | JademusSreg | Could'nt all that functionality be consolidated in a single structure? |
| 20:30.51 | JademusSreg | *Couldn't |
| 20:31.10 | Shawn|Rawr | I was simply copying the map, I haven't gotten anywhere near worrying about actual implementation |
| 20:31.19 | Shawn|Rawr | I've only touched terrain |
| 20:31.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Nothing else |
| 20:31.46 | Shawn|Rawr | But yes, it could |
| 20:32.16 | Shawn|Rawr | I can't believe there wasnt a better doodad for a portal than that weird egg looking thing |
| 20:32.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Kinda lame |
| 20:33.26 | JademusSreg | You could be creative with the assets available. =D Or import a WoW model. |
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| 20:33.52 | Shawn|Rawr | I was thinking about it, but I do not have WoW |
| 20:34.01 | Shawn|Rawr | And I don't feel like installing it |
| 20:35.32 | Vailreth | i just hope some one cracks the art tools when they come out and makes a blender version |
| 20:36.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Wow Vail.. how did you make it so he won't go back too far? |
| 20:36.53 | Vailreth | the staker? |
| 20:36.59 | Shawn|Rawr | the hellion |
| 20:37.02 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm impressed |
| 20:37.10 | Vailreth | oh that i have no clue why it does that |
| 20:37.20 | Vailreth | but it works so i went with it |
| 20:38.00 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh it's my trigger |
| 20:38.03 | Vailreth | the stalker's new blink may need some additional validation if it starts blinking off the playable area |
| 20:38.06 | Shawn|Rawr | I think? |
| 20:38.24 | Vailreth | an interaction of the two likely |
| 20:38.53 | Vailreth | its only supposed to go back four spaces ... |
| 20:39.14 | Vailreth | and and then turn around and attack |
| 20:39.26 | Vailreth | but i couldnt figure it out |
| 20:41.55 | Shawn|Rawr | ok, I don't have a trgger for that |
| 20:42.04 | Shawn|Rawr | So.. idk wtf the hellion is doing |
| 20:42.43 | Shawn|Rawr | That is neat though |
| 20:42.47 | Vailreth | i know what its supposed to doo but its doing this instead but it works in testing so eh' |
| 20:43.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Now to just craft a quick trigger to make sure units don't get stuck |
| 20:43.21 | Shawn|Rawr | And I should be ready to play it |
| 20:43.53 | Vailreth | good luck with it |
| 20:45.46 | Shawn|Rawr | I just need to get one more person addicted to it, and I'll be set |
| 20:46.47 | Vailreth | are you thinking of hotkeying the trainable units? so you can just pus a keey and click a lane? |
| 20:47.25 | Shawn|Rawr | I know I want to hotkey the races, and likely the units |
| 20:47.34 | Shawn|Rawr | But I'm not decided on which keys to use |
| 20:47.37 | Vailreth | i see |
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| 21:02.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Found something else to work on yet Vail? |
| 21:07.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Wow. Hotkeys are way more responsive than clicking |
| 21:07.48 | Shawn|Rawr | That feels a million times better |
| 21:26.04 | Shawn|Rawr | And with that, I'm completely out of things I need to add to the map |
| 21:28.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Now for balancing and play testing |
| 21:38.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Hehe Vailreth, the stalker blinked towards 2 marauders |
| 21:38.39 | Shawn|Rawr | ^.^ |
| 21:38.51 | Aelia | zzz |
| 21:38.59 | Aelia | anyone know a bit about target sorts? |
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| 21:46.53 | Kaelten | hey guys, sc2mapster moved onto new boxes today, so please let me know if anyone seens any issues |
| 21:48.13 | Shawn|Rawr | The Active Forum Threads still seems to be out of order ^.^ |
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| 21:52.32 | JademusSreg | Everything looks fine, from what I see. |
| 21:52.37 | ClayMuffin | hello guys |
| 21:53.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade, are you busy? o.o |
| 21:55.09 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 21:55.19 | JademusSreg | Carving a pumpkin. |
| 21:55.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Psh. Didn't need you anyway |
| 21:55.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Sounds fun |
| 21:55.46 | Shawn|Rawr | If anyone is bored, let me know and we'll play my map |
| 21:56.59 | JademusSreg | Carving it with a classic MSPA reference. |
| 22:00.54 | ClayMuffin | im having trouble with a beam actor |
| 22:01.06 | ClayMuffin | i tried everything, could not fix it |
| 22:01.12 | ClayMuffin | i check all events, all links |
| 22:01.19 | ClayMuffin | kinda puzzled |
| 22:01.27 | ClayMuffin | it,s giving me an error each time i fire |
| 22:01.40 | ClayMuffin | ill post what it sais in a sec |
| 22:02.51 | ClayMuffin | WARKING : ( ef 3) CactorBeamsSi... |
| 22:03.06 | ClayMuffin | i don't know why it never write the whole error message |
| 22:06.11 | ClayMuffin | anybody? |
| 22:06.36 | ClayMuffin | i wanna know why can't i read the whole error message and what it could mean |
| 22:06.47 | ClayMuffin | =-/ |
| 22:07.38 | Shawn|Rawr | Tried debuggeR |
| 22:07.40 | Shawn|Rawr | ? |
| 22:08.06 | ClayMuffin | debugger? |
| 22:08.30 | Shawn|Rawr | If you go to File - Preferences in the editor |
| 22:08.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Then in the test part |
| 22:08.46 | Shawn|Rawr | check run in windowed and show debugger |
| 22:09.25 | ClayMuffin | ok ty |
| 22:09.29 | ClayMuffin | never knew that |
| 22:09.37 | ClayMuffin | but im detarded |
| 22:09.45 | ClayMuffin | and that the problem... a bad link i havent seen |
| 22:09.49 | ClayMuffin | fixed |
| 22:09.54 | ClayMuffin | I hate that shit... |
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| 22:30.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Blah.. I need testers but I'm scared they're gonna tell me my map is shit |
| 22:30.33 | Shawn|Rawr | ^.^ |
| 22:31.38 | ClayMuffin | haha |
| 22:31.43 | ClayMuffin | dont worries lol |
| 22:31.59 | ClayMuffin | can,t help you tonight, but this weekend i can land you a hand |
| 22:40.53 | ClayMuffin | anybody know whats the model name for the spine crawler blood splat it does on the ground each time it attack? |
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| 22:45.55 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:47.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Front. |
| 22:50.42 | Shawn|Rawr | If this chat wasn't dead we'd get a side to side |
| 22:56.23 | XenoX101 | Side to Side |
| 22:56.42 | XenoX101 | nearly done with my HotS map |
| 22:56.43 | XenoX101 | I can taste victory |
| 22:56.48 | XenoX101 | almost ;p |
| 22:58.41 | Shawn|Rawr | You got the morphing hellion? |
| 22:59.51 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 23:00.00 | XenoX101 | ya that ones easy |
| 23:00.02 | XenoX101 | I just need actors for it |
| 23:01.33 | ClayMuffin | what does HotS stands for? |
| 23:01.46 | Vailreth | heart of the swarm |
| 23:01.58 | JademusSreg | Damn, Vail, you dropped the ball on that one. |
| 23:02.14 | Vailreth | i dont care i just woke up |
| 23:02.17 | ClayMuffin | you could have trolled me hard :D |
| 23:02.23 | JademusSreg | That was a ripe opportunity. |
| 23:02.38 | ClayMuffin | I'm learning to turs Jade only parti time n_n |
| 23:02.45 | ClayMuffin | trust* |
| 23:02.51 | ClayMuffin | part time* |
| 23:03.57 | Vailreth | i didnt think i could squeeze five missions into a single map |
| 23:04.10 | Vailreth | now im looking at this map and wondering if five are enough |
| 23:06.55 | Shawn|Rawr | I guess I'm moving on to my next project until I can get some people to play my map lol |
| 23:07.30 | ClayMuffin | how many peps do you need? |
| 23:07.34 | ClayMuffin | to test it out? |
| 23:07.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Its 1v1 |
| 23:07.44 | Vailreth | if you like you could work with me on my micro campaign |
| 23:08.46 | Shawn|Rawr | If you need it and think there is something I can do. Other than that I'm gonna just figure out what I'm doing next |
| 23:08.57 | XenoX101 | vailreth |
| 23:09.01 | XenoX101 | I'm having problems with this simple actor |
| 23:09.05 | XenoX101 | does it work with Abilities? |
| 23:09.29 | Vailreth | it should work with any thing that other actors work with. |
| 23:11.09 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 23:14.24 | XenoX101 | its ok I dont really need it for this one |
| 23:14.28 | XenoX101 | just odd |
| 23:14.32 | XenoX101 | I used it for part of it |
| 23:14.36 | XenoX101 | maybe it doesn't like abilities |
| 23:14.47 | JademusSreg | I'm trustworthy, Clay. Perhaps. =D |
| 23:15.01 | JademusSreg | Life would be dull without good-natured antagonism. |
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| 23:22.02 | Mexa | So, I was playing the trine 2 beta local coop with two of my friends. |
| 23:22.07 | Mexa | So much fun =D |
| 23:22.07 | XenoX101 | ok so |
| 23:22.11 | XenoX101 | the problem is |
| 23:22.17 | XenoX101 | the actor attaches to the unit |
| 23:22.19 | XenoX101 | and the unit transforms |
| 23:22.23 | XenoX101 | so.. |
| 23:24.24 | XenoX101 | I'm trying to get it to go on the caster point now |
| 23:24.28 | XenoX101 | rather than the caster |
| 23:25.38 | JademusSreg | What's the actor event for its creation? |
| 23:27.51 | A1win | http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Vanadium errm... is that metal supposed to be different from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium |
| 23:28.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade, Fun or Not just threw me into Frontline by you apparently |
| 23:29.01 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium#Applications |
| 23:29.06 | JademusSreg | Nash made Frontline. |
| 23:29.10 | JademusSreg | I published it for him. |
| 23:29.30 | Shawn|Rawr | I see that from the loading screen |
| 23:30.18 | A1win | JademusSreg, what about that? |
| 23:30.45 | JademusSreg | It's applications; it's used as ana additive to increases the durability of steel alloys. |
| 23:30.55 | JademusSreg | *Its |
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| 23:31.11 | A1win | ah... so they just figured out how to use it with their scifi metals? D: |
| 23:32.20 | XenoX101 | how can I make an actor execute independently of the damn unit |
| 23:33.44 | ________________ | give it an event independant of the unit? o.o |
| 23:34.03 | XenoX101 | like what |
| 23:34.11 | XenoX101 | it needs to run off an ability |
| 23:34.19 | XenoX101 | er, fire from an ability |
| 23:34.24 | ________________ | then use ability event |
| 23:34.31 | ________________ | ability x on |
| 23:34.33 | A1win | so I think neosteel could be made from iron by using mineral crystals as alloys, makes sense? steel is made with iron alloyed with carbon |
| 23:34.56 | XenoX101 | cant be on |
| 23:35.00 | XenoX101 | only has target or source |
| 23:35.09 | XenoX101 | target on or target off is closest but that points to a unit |
| 23:36.08 | ________________ | ability start? o.o |
| 23:36.12 | XenoX101 | tried |
| 23:36.16 | XenoX101 | well |
| 23:36.20 | XenoX101 | even that is source or target |
| 23:36.28 | ________________ | there is an empty |
| 23:36.30 | ________________ | "start" |
| 23:36.32 | XenoX101 | nvm |
| 23:36.47 | XenoX101 | and there isnt |
| 23:37.01 | ________________ | im looking at it right now |
| 23:37.03 | A1win | humm would vanadium then be used with iron + crystals + vanadium to forge vanadium-hardened neosteel O_x |
| 23:37.05 | ________________ | what type of ability |
| 23:37.11 | XenoX101 | target |
| 23:37.14 | XenoX101 | effect - target |
| 23:37.27 | ________________ | ah, thats y |
| 23:37.45 | ________________ | why can't you use any of the above options? |
| 23:37.50 | ________________ | source cast start, etc. |
| 23:38.16 | A1win | apparently... |
| 23:38.32 | A1win | probably won't make sense to allow combining already forged neosteel with vanadium |
| 23:39.03 | ________________ | alwin why are u talking to yourself |
| 23:39.31 | XenoX101 | cause they have an inbuilt unit |
| 23:39.35 | XenoX101 | the source or the target |
| 23:39.38 | XenoX101 | but anyway doesnt matter |
| 23:40.11 | A1win | I'm just finding the answers faster than anyone else bothers to reply D: |
| 23:40.29 | ________________ | lol ic |
| 23:40.48 | ________________ | i mean why does it matter that they use a unit? |
| 23:41.24 | ________________ | you trying to trigger an ability without a unit? |
| 23:41.54 | A1win | hmm I wonder if I should make gold crystals somehow different from blue, or just make them faster to mine like in melee maps |
| 23:42.05 | ________________ | diff |
| 23:42.09 | XenoX101 | yes the actor needs to appear independently |
| 23:42.13 | XenoX101 | so that when the unit disappears it stays |
| 23:42.24 | XenoX101 | but it doesnt matter I've figured another way |
| 23:42.28 | XenoX101 | thats similar enough |
| 23:42.28 | ________________ | ok |
| 23:43.51 | A1win | any idea what uranium is used for in SC lore other than some dense ammunition? |
| 23:43.59 | A1win | and nukes probably D: |
| 23:44.35 | A1win | well I suppose I could make a nuclear reactor |
| 23:44.52 | A1win | back to wikipedia -> |
| 23:45.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster Reactorex (~Reactorex@66.185.77.194) |
| 23:47.24 | A1win | Depleted uranium is used in kinetic energy penetrators and armor plating. |
| 23:48.35 | A1win | I suppose neosteel is a better armor material in SC though |
| 23:49.57 | A1win | military uses it mostly for high-density penetrators and civilians for powering nuclear reactors... just like in SC =p |
| 23:50.28 | A1win | I guess I'll allow making of uranium rounds since I'll have ammo anyway |
| 23:51.19 | A1win | except that only depleted uranium is used for rounds, so they'd need to be two different materials <.< |
| 23:52.24 | A1win | Most depleted uranium arises as a byproduct of the production of enriched uranium for use in nuclear reactors and in the manufacture of nuclear weapons. |
| 23:52.37 | A1win | maybe I don't want to get this complicated :P |
