| 00:18.06 | Daara | CHANGE? |
| 00:18.10 | Daara | Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange |
| 00:21.11 | Daara | Who wants to do some math for me? |
| 00:22.17 | Daara | ~182,000 inmates in the US. 18,000 for violent crimes. 0.5% of inmates claim to be atheist. 10% of US population is Atheist. US population is 312,000,000. |
| 00:22.17 | purl | that's too long, Daara |
| 00:22.54 | Daara | How much more likely is it for someone who is religious to commit a violent crime than an atheist. |
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| 00:56.32 | Mexa_ | Why is there no "Rules" section for moderators and users on sc2mapster? |
| 00:59.28 | Mexa_ | Or is it all supposed to be in the curse terms of service? |
| 01:01.12 | Mexa_ | Or.. the curse forum rules? |
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| 01:10.26 | Vailreth|2 | finally my firestorm strike is starting to work correctly |
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| 02:15.24 | Vailreth|2 | anybody here |
| 02:15.26 | Vailreth|2 | ? |
| 02:15.29 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 02:16.12 | Vailreth|2 | hello Jade. |
| 02:17.05 | JademusSreg | What's up? |
| 02:17.33 | Vailreth|2 | taking a break from tinkering with a firestorm strike ability |
| 02:17.35 | Mexa_ | damn client |
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| 02:21.09 | Mexa_ | Note to self: Never use regular soap as shampoo again :| |
| 02:22.20 | Mexa_ | My hair got all messy.. derp |
| 02:23.40 | JademusSreg | Say it like a pirate. |
| 02:24.06 | JademusSreg | Me 'air got alll messy, yarp |
| 02:24.19 | Vailreth|2 | what is it talk like a pirate day again> |
| 02:24.28 | JademusSreg | What's that? |
| 02:25.01 | Vailreth|2 | talk like a pairate day is the day you talk like a pirate |
| 02:25.40 | Vailreth|2 | nope that was last ymonth |
| 02:46.34 | Mexa_ | goodnight |
| 02:50.08 | Daara | jade you still here? |
| 02:50.13 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 02:50.19 | JademusSreg | Playing FFT. |
| 02:50.27 | Daara | you know how to make it so units get selection priority over buildings? |
| 02:51.11 | JademusSreg | I don't know the details of it, but there are selection-related fields in the unit data. |
| 02:51.53 | Daara | ah yea i see it now |
| 02:52.10 | Daara | apparently the higher the number is the lower the priority |
| 02:52.10 | Daara | i was doing it backwards lol |
| 02:52.15 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:53.58 | Daara | I just had to rescale all my models in 3ds max cause the I was having set them to 0.1 scale in game. |
| 02:54.10 | Daara | And this caused the selection circle to never be big enough to see. |
| 02:54.23 | JademusSreg | I've been in those situations. |
| 02:57.27 | Daara | Was just really annoying I couldn't select my units next to buildings. Glad that's out of the way now. |
| 02:58.10 | Daara | Almost to the fun part of creating hero's and spells -_-. |
| 03:38.19 | Vailreth|2 | this is so stupid |
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| 09:24.35 | casperb | hey hey guys |
| 09:25.20 | casperb | Question! UnitGetAttachmentPoint doesn't find anything, remember chalking this up as a bug in the beta, but it's still there so what's up with that? |
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| 12:03.24 | Ashamed | good morning |
| 12:23.35 | Ashamed | fricken |
| 12:23.36 | Ashamed | religion |
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| 14:34.43 | egod | noobs questions, how do i hide the border of a dialog |
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| 15:41.21 | Daara | i feel like a fool for not finding the Create - Starcraft 2 Objects in 3ds max until now -_- |
| 15:42.00 | Daara | time to add proper attachment points to models now -_!! |
| 15:58.16 | Dustin | Anyone want to try this SCuniverse PVP with me? |
| 16:02.37 | Daara | wait its playable? |
| 16:02.48 | Dustin | They released the PvP Preview |
| 16:02.58 | Daara | ah |
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| 16:08.49 | egod | pvp... |
| 16:08.56 | egod | fail |
| 16:09.25 | egod | its to hard to make a PvE mmo i guess |
| 16:09.39 | egod | they have to do made ANOTHER pvp map |
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| 16:15.16 | Dustin | They are doing PVe to think |
| 16:15.23 | Dustin | And so far im not impressed with the project |
| 16:15.38 | Dustin | Laggy, cluttered, boring combat |
| 16:15.46 | Daara | trying to hard |
| 16:15.49 | Daara | too* |
| 16:15.52 | Dustin | ya |
| 16:16.03 | Daara | i abandoned wasd movement the 2nd week of the beta |
| 16:16.10 | Dustin | Maybe ill try it again after the last SC2 expansion comes out |
| 16:16.12 | Daara | it's too laggy over b.net |
| 16:16.38 | Daara | you can't make games too complicated either |
| 16:16.43 | Daara | people want things they can pick up and learn quickly |
| 16:16.52 | Daara | and that are moderately fun |
| 16:18.16 | Daara | looks like i need to add Ref_damage points to my models too |
| 16:19.01 | Daara | you have any idea how that works though? |
| 16:19.03 | Daara | dustin |
| 16:19.16 | Daara | missiles fly towards ref_targets |
| 16:19.31 | Dustin | Not sure |
| 16:19.40 | Dustin | Attachment points never work quite right for me |
| 16:19.50 | Daara | i just found how to add them in 3ds max |
| 16:19.58 | Daara | then again i never really looked |
| 16:21.08 | Daara | i wonder if the missile flies towards the say ref_target then shows the final effect at the ref_damage |
| 16:22.53 | Dustin | I see missiles flying at random areas of the model |
| 16:23.23 | Daara | for sc2 models yea |
| 16:23.29 | Daara | because they have multiple ref_targets |
| 16:23.37 | Daara | and multiple ref_damage |
| 16:24.06 | Daara | kinda scattered about around the model |
| 16:34.56 | Dustin | Well guys |
| 16:35.01 | Dustin | I broke down and bought Dungeon Defenders |
| 16:37.50 | Daara | fuck yea |
| 16:37.52 | Daara | i got it to work |
| 16:38.18 | Daara | i added a radius to my ref_target and now things expload on the outside :D |
| 16:39.14 | Dustin | nice :D |
| 16:41.02 | Daara | the only thing these buildings don't have now are real construction and death models |
| 16:42.18 | Daara | i'm using a model i made that just has some scaffolding with a peasant doing a work animation atm |
| 16:42.27 | Dustin | nice |
| 16:43.15 | Daara | it's not great but atleast you know it's under construction |
| 16:51.05 | TooMuchBob | Random question not really relatedto SC2 |
| 16:51.39 | TooMuchBob | I wsjust playing a game of LoL and accidentally hit some key combo and now my windows screen is this weird very slightly yellowish tint |
| 16:52.07 | TooMuchBob | almost like an oldschool photo but much MUCH less subtle |
| 16:52.15 | Daara | lol i don't play it enough to know wtf you did |
| 16:52.17 | TooMuchBob | Idon't have a CRT so I doubt its the monitor |
| 16:52.29 | TooMuchBob | Darra, its on my windows screen now |
| 16:52.34 | TooMuchBob | its a windows setting |
| 16:52.41 | Daara | oh lol |
| 16:52.46 | TooMuchBob | like, everything is just slightly off |
| 16:52.46 | Daara | uhm |
| 16:53.01 | Daara | you might have set the amount of colors to like 32? |
| 16:55.27 | TooMuchBob | weird |
| 16:55.30 | TooMuchBob | I changed them to 16 |
| 16:55.32 | TooMuchBob | then back to 32 |
| 16:55.33 | TooMuchBob | and now its fune |
| 16:55.35 | TooMuchBob | *fine |
| 16:55.37 | TooMuchBob | wtf was that |
| 16:55.41 | Daara | no clue lol |
| 16:55.48 | TooMuchBob | thx |
| 16:55.51 | Daara | i didn't even know there was a keybind to do that.... |
| 16:55.57 | TooMuchBob | apparently there is |
| 16:56.02 | TooMuchBob | worst keybind ever |
| 16:56.02 | Daara | np |
| 16:58.48 | Daara | i think my guard tower is finished |
| 16:59.12 | Daara | maybe i'll update the texture before i release the final version |
| 17:05.21 | Ashamed | i just fixed some congress guys computer >< suckage |
| 17:05.31 | Ashamed | should of broked it more |
| 17:05.53 | Daara | lol |
| 17:05.57 | Daara | you should have but kiddie porn on it |
| 17:09.00 | egod | wow fuk this internet compagny |
| 17:09.18 | egod | 70$ by month and 600ko/sec |
| 17:09.35 | egod | illimited |
| 17:14.37 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 17:15.20 | Ashamed | lol daara man i should of |
| 17:15.32 | Daara | sup jade |
| 17:15.33 | Ashamed | >< and then said something to some news company |
| 17:15.43 | Daara | lol know that would have been hilarious |
| 17:15.44 | Ashamed | should of been like i was fixing this guys computer and i came accross this directory |
| 17:15.55 | Daara | plant the child porn then say you found a folder full of it haha |
| 17:16.00 | Ashamed | lol |
| 17:16.14 | Ashamed | i dont think he is like super dooper important |
| 17:16.19 | Ashamed | i am not even quite sure what he does lol |
| 17:16.20 | Ashamed | Sim Farar |
| 17:16.22 | Ashamed | it was that guy |
| 17:16.33 | Daara | i don't pay attention to politics |
| 17:16.38 | Daara | all jackasses |
| 17:16.55 | JademusSreg | http://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/news/2011/06/07/sim-farar-named-to-commission-by-obama.html |
| 17:17.19 | Ashamed | jade yes i can google |
| 17:17.27 | Ashamed | but i dont know what that means ;0 |
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| 17:23.35 | Daara | i need to find someone who wants to do make death animations for these wow buildings |
| 17:23.44 | Daara | i sure as hell don't wanna do it |
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| 18:01.15 | Daara | almost raged cause i thought my map got corrupted |
| 18:01.56 | Ashamed | i can't believe religion still exsist >< |
| 18:02.08 | Daara | either can I |
| 18:02.17 | Daara | hit them with statistics and they get mad |
| 18:02.33 | Ashamed | lol |
| 18:02.35 | Ashamed | exactly |
| 18:02.38 | Ashamed | you know what i like best |
| 18:02.39 | Daara | religious people are 16x more likely to commit a violent crime than non-religous people |
| 18:03.15 | Daara | and that's just in the U.S. |
| 18:03.15 | Ashamed | i constintly hear Christians make fun other religions / athest... but then if an athest says something they fucking JUMP on them |
| 18:03.26 | Daara | yea |
| 18:03.26 | JademusSreg | That's not a precise conclusion of the statistics you listed previously, Daara. |
| 18:03.33 | Ashamed | yeah daara |
| 18:03.38 | Ashamed | i wouldn't say that is true iether |
| 18:03.39 | Ashamed | >< |
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| 18:03.44 | Daara | it's about as close as you can come though |
| 18:03.52 | Daara | without factoing in people who lie about their faith |
| 18:04.00 | Daara | and you can't really ever get an exact number on that |
| 18:04.08 | Daara | factoring* |
| 18:04.26 | JademusSreg | More accurate would be to say "a convict in prison is X more likely to be theist than not." |
| 18:04.34 | Daara | true |
| 18:04.59 | Ashamed | but daara christians dont lie |
| 18:05.04 | Daara | lol |
| 18:05.06 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:05.19 | Daara | my dad is far from a good christian |
| 18:05.30 | Ashamed | i grew up christian.. and i am almost mad at my parents for just feeding me the shit |
| 18:05.48 | Ashamed | Thx ma... for making me look like an idiot growing up |
| 18:06.16 | Daara | I'm not mad at them because i think it helped make me who i am today. |
| 18:06.34 | Daara | But, now that I know that you don't need religion. I won't put the same on my kids. |
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| 18:06.47 | Daara | I'll still teach the same morals though. |
| 18:06.52 | Daara | without the bullshit ofcourse |
| 18:07.05 | Ashamed | daara which is another problem :(... Religion has the right idea about love thy neihbor.. but if grow up athest you kinda have to just learn that yourself |
| 18:07.20 | Ashamed | which is hard |
| 18:07.37 | Ashamed | i want to make the church of love :) |
| 18:07.42 | Ashamed | and just teach love |
| 18:07.57 | Daara | I don't mind religion as long as they keep to themselves. |
| 18:08.07 | Daara | I would like for them to update their damn book though. |
| 18:08.09 | JademusSreg | I was raised in a spiritual vaccuum; my parents had beliefs I would regard as superstitious, but they never made any attempt to influence me. I went about my own investigations. |
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| 18:08.56 | Daara | I always like to point out the inaccuracies of the bible and paintings from that time. |
| 18:09.12 | Daara | There's a painting of Adam and Eve that shows them with a belly button. |
| 18:09.29 | Daara | Why would they have one if Adam was made from dirt and Eve was a rib-woman? |
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| 18:10.12 | JademusSreg | I take it you spend a lot of time around religious folk in combative or otherwise argumentive contexts? |
| 18:10.38 | Daara | I join in on a lot of Atheist conversations. |
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| 18:10.48 | Daara | Christians trolls also frequent them. |
| 18:11.35 | Daara | So I usually end up having to show them how wrong they are. Because when someone is wrong on the internet...you can't just get up and walk away! |
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| 18:19.08 | JademusSreg | xkcd reference. Hah. |
| 18:23.11 | JademusSreg | Anyway, when I was young, I found myself as an antagonist to theists. Over time, I realized a few things. Religious believers are not willing to change their positions and, as such, arguing with them over personal beliefs is pointless. Not to say I don't argue with them when they aggress, but I don't see much value in seeking them out. |
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| 18:41.05 | Daara | Yea, there's really no point of arguing with them because they will never change their minds about what they believe in. |
| 19:18.59 | Vailreth|2 | quick i need an idea for an ability |
| 19:21.49 | Daara | what kind of ability |
| 19:23.20 | Vailreth|2 | maybe some kind of support ability ? |
| 19:24.41 | Daara | how about a troop resurrection ability |
| 19:25.13 | Vailreth|2 | as far as i can tell that is not possible with data right now |
| 19:25.46 | Vailreth|2 | well it is bout would require massive editis to every resurectable unit |
| 19:26.32 | Daara | pretty much |
| 19:27.03 | Daara | make a polymorph :D |
| 19:27.17 | Vailreth|2 | sure why not |
| 19:27.33 | Daara | be sure to use a sheep model too! |
| 19:28.29 | Daara | i'm working a map that while resemble wc3 in a sense, so i need to make a bunch of ablities like that |
| 19:28.34 | Daara | that will* |
| 19:28.48 | Vailreth|2 | ok |
| 19:29.53 | Daara | i'd like to get an autocast heal like priests had in wc3 |
| 19:30.11 | Daara | im not sure how to go about it but i'm sure it's possible |
| 19:30.55 | JademusSreg | Heal applied a buff to indicate the unit was under the effects of heal and could not be targeted for Heal again. |
| 19:31.10 | JademusSreg | Medic and Medivac heal beams work similarly. |
| 19:31.14 | Daara | yea |
| 19:31.24 | Daara | but it's a heal over time channel |
| 19:31.52 | Daara | i need to make it more like the queens ability |
| 19:31.56 | Daara | but autocast |
| 19:32.38 | JademusSreg | Heal recovered 5 life for one mana, at one second intervals. A simple autocast for it sounds easy. |
| 19:33.32 | JademusSreg | All the units in wc3 had dramatically higher life than units in sc2, so there is a scaling factor there if you want it to be balanced. |
| 19:34.24 | Daara | I haven't got much into spells yet. Right now I'm just trying to get the models in good shape. |
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| 19:47.37 | Aelia | god |
| 19:47.45 | Aelia | like 2 people are so goddamn whiny |
| 19:48.14 | Daara | about how you ruined your map? :P |
| 19:52.41 | Ashamed | OMG AELIA YOUR MAP IS HORRID |
| 19:53.16 | Daara | THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THE WC3 VERSION |
| 19:55.01 | Ashamed | AHHHH NOTHING |
| 19:55.13 | Ashamed | Daara the funny thing when aelia first released his map i was going to tell him it was way too similer lol |
| 19:55.20 | Daara | haha |
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| 19:55.31 | Ashamed | which it was |
| 19:55.47 | Ashamed | but he has done a good job at adding his own touches |
| 19:56.03 | Daara | at least if my map fails |
| 19:56.14 | Daara | i'll give the community a bunch of warcraft models |
| 19:56.27 | Ashamed | which map are you working on? |
| 19:56.41 | Daara | did you ever play custom castle defense? |
| 19:56.50 | Daara | i'm thinking something along those lines |
| 19:56.58 | Ashamed | is it the one where you built towers the send mobs? |
| 19:57.02 | Daara | no |
| 19:57.24 | Daara | you go find a base and build while neutrals try to kill you |
| 19:57.29 | Daara | kinda like a survival map |
| 19:57.38 | Daara | only you needed to build in certain areas that contained crops |
| 19:57.47 | Daara | im adding gold mines to it |
| 19:57.57 | Daara | and making it more player vs player oriented than player vs neutrals |
| 19:58.11 | Daara | adding risk like territories as well |
| 19:58.12 | Ashamed | like at first your making it pvn? |
| 19:58.18 | Ashamed | and then cahnging it to end game pvp? |
| 19:58.21 | Daara | yea |
| 19:58.27 | Daara | pretty much |
| 19:58.37 | Daara | i guess i'll try to make it if you leave the neutrals alone they'll rape you |
| 19:58.37 | Ashamed | yeah thats good idea |
| 19:58.48 | Ashamed | no point in not adding player vs player on a fucking melee game |
| 19:59.15 | Ashamed | Yeah if you do that right... I bet it could be fun |
| 19:59.24 | Daara | your units are income based too |
| 19:59.37 | Daara | you only get so many units available every minute |
| 19:59.39 | Ashamed | make it so at first you are just too weak to over come the computer |
| 19:59.42 | Ashamed | but once you overcome the pc > it becomes easy.. you go after other players |
| 19:59.48 | Daara | yep |
| 19:59.51 | Daara | that's what im thinking |
| 20:00.00 | Daara | then the goal is to take over territories and win |
| 20:00.47 | Daara | i've added just about every building type from wc3 |
| 20:00.52 | Ashamed | each territorie gives you certian bonus? |
| 20:00.59 | Ashamed | territory* |
| 20:01.06 | Daara | i haven't thought of what i might do for that yet |
| 20:01.07 | Daara | but i want to |
| 20:01.17 | Daara | right now its just additional unit income |
| 20:03.30 | Daara | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/more-converted-wmos-wow-building/ |
| 20:03.39 | Daara | these are some of the models im using |
| 20:03.59 | Daara | they aren't the current versions i'm using though |
| 20:04.38 | Daara | i've been adding attachment points and fixed scaling issues so you can actually see the selection circle |
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| 20:19.37 | Vailreth|2 | well i have it half working |
| 20:22.36 | Daara | you get it to polymorph the target? |
| 20:22.51 | Vailreth|2 | yes |
| 20:22.52 | Daara | break on damage? |
| 20:23.04 | Daara | actually hmm |
| 20:23.25 | Vailreth|2 | not yet im still trying to get the original actor to return |
| 20:23.34 | Daara | use a behavior |
| 20:23.41 | Daara | when its on model swap |
| 20:23.48 | Daara | when it's off model swap back |
| 20:23.59 | Daara | you'll probably have to add it to each units actor events |
| 20:24.06 | Vailreth|2 | na |
| 20:24.24 | Vailreth|2 | you should be able to use a simple actor |
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| 20:29.24 | Vailreth|2 | yes\ |
| 20:31.48 | Vailreth|2 | ok i have a pollymorph ability working |
| 20:32.06 | Daara | nice |
| 20:32.35 | Vailreth|2 | it just needs a simple actor with validators for every unit you want the ability to be castable on.. |
| 20:33.27 | Vailreth|2 | the validator type is Unit Type so it can diferintiate between diffrent units and model swap back to the correct model |
| 20:34.37 | Vailreth|2 | right now it only correctly swaps back to marine models but that can be edited to it swaps back to the correct units |
| 20:36.18 | Vailreth|2 | act now and i will throw in my Fire Geyser ability and my Firestorm Banshee Abilities for no everta charge |
| 20:38.55 | Daara | lol |
| 20:40.09 | Vailreth|2 | no seriously i made them all in the same map... |
| 20:40.16 | Daara | ah |
| 20:40.37 | Daara | you should make an autocast version of the queen's transfusion heal |
| 20:40.56 | Daara | :D |
| 20:41.16 | Vailreth|2 | na i mean i could but it wouldnt be enough of a challange |
| 20:41.26 | Daara | :P |
| 20:41.33 | Daara | let's see then |
| 20:41.36 | Daara | how about |
| 20:42.19 | Daara | can't think of anything atm |
| 20:42.19 | Vailreth|2 | if you are going to suggest a marauder that fires zerglings that explode nile nukes and heal everything around them i ve done that |
| 20:42.27 | Daara | haha |
| 20:43.21 | Vailreth|2 | maybe i should make a vid of my firestorm banshee |
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| 21:05.54 | Stewox | hello |
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| 21:07.53 | Daara | got my wow gate working :D |
| 21:08.15 | Vailreth|2 | nice, rendering out a video for youtube of my firestorm banshee |
| 21:08.27 | Daara | had to make new animation names because stupid thing wouldn't export animations with the same names as the sc2 gates |
| 21:08.49 | Vailreth|2 | but it works in the game? |
| 21:09.10 | Daara | yea i just had to switch the events for the model |
| 21:09.16 | Vailreth|2 | nice |
| 21:09.27 | Daara | so now i have a wooden gate like wc3 |
| 21:10.19 | Daara | i could make it 2 seperate models but i'm going to stick with one |
| 21:10.45 | Daara | so for now missiles will fire at the stone pillars on the sides rather than at the actual gate part |
| 21:10.46 | Vailreth|2 | i see |
| 21:12.12 | Vailreth|2 | i dont know if its because it is mine of not but i like my fire storm banshee better than the other napalm and such banshee abilities |
| 21:13.52 | Vailreth|2 | ive been thinking about having heros with no teamcolor or a team glow and animated skins |
| 21:14.18 | Daara | have to edit them in 3ds max to do that |
| 21:14.19 | Daara | or |
| 21:14.40 | Daara | edit the texture i suppose |
| 21:15.10 | Daara | go to the alpha channel and just start erasing |
| 21:15.15 | Vailreth|2 | yeah likely have to change some things on the moldes in max first then just texture swap for an OGV file that is the right size |
| 21:15.30 | Vailreth|2 | models* |
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| 21:16.23 | Daara | i basically did the opposite with these models |
| 21:16.30 | Daara | added team color |
| 21:16.57 | Daara | and just about everything to make them up to my standards |
| 21:17.17 | Dustin | What are you making Daara |
| 21:17.27 | Vailreth|2 | i was thinking since each player gets a unique hero anyway why have team color i could go with animated textures instead |
| 21:17.33 | Daara | model wise or map wise? |
| 21:17.38 | Dustin | map wise |
| 21:17.57 | Daara | if you played custom castle defense on wc3 |
| 21:17.59 | Daara | it's similar |
| 21:18.09 | Daara | but with a risk-esque addition |
| 21:19.13 | Daara | i'm using almost all WoW models that have been modified to have team colors, attachments, and animations. |
| 21:20.21 | Daara | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/more-converted-wmos-wow-building/ |
| 21:20.28 | Daara | if you wanna browse some of the models |
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| 21:26.31 | Mexa | heyhey |
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| 21:28.22 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA quantum levitation =D |
| 21:29.08 | JademusSreg | Coool. |
| 21:29.31 | Zotac | Hey people, any "hardcore" mapster's around that could maybe give me a hit as to what im doing wrong :/, i'm trying to create a hero ability, and i think i've got i just about right now, the thing is, that it's supposed to be an "AOE" ability, and going to be cast from the caster and out, but i think i messed something up, it asks for a target no matter what :/ |
| 21:29.35 | Zotac | Wall of text :s |
| 21:30.38 | Daara | that is so cool |
| 21:30.41 | Daara | mexa |
| 21:30.45 | Mexa | yeah |
| 21:31.01 | Mexa | I've seen it a few times actually:P |
| 21:31.04 | JademusSreg | What Zotac? It's an instant cast or a targeted? |
| 21:31.35 | Zotac | instant :) |
| 21:32.07 | Vailreth|2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmJIvWHSpkM |
| 21:34.37 | Vailreth|2 | be back in a bit |
| 21:34.52 | JademusSreg | Instant ability. What's the effect class? |
| 21:35.34 | Zotac | Im sorry, im a bit new at this, effect class is what exactly? :/ |
| 21:36.11 | JademusSreg | The class of an effect. Many of the objects in the data editor have various subtypes. |
| 21:36.20 | JademusSreg | Buff is a class of Behavior. |
| 21:36.35 | JademusSreg | Issue Order is a class of Effect. |
| 21:37.01 | JademusSreg | And so is Search Area, which I expect is or should be the effect on your ability. |
| 21:37.18 | Zotac | Yeah, i've got a Search Area :) |
| 21:37.47 | JademusSreg | Did you duplicate or add object? |
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| 21:38.34 | Zotac | Added, i've been following a guide (http://rileystarcraft.blogspot.com/2010/05/tutorial-how-to-create-shockwave.html), and modified from there |
| 21:39.41 | JademusSreg | Dunno, I don't use tutorials. |
| 21:40.16 | Zotac | Ah, okay :) |
| 21:40.29 | JademusSreg | I just know that the sort of thing you want would use an Instant ability, a Search Area effect, both of which you have. |
| 21:40.54 | JademusSreg | From there, the Search Area would have an are defined in the Area field array, and the effect would be defined in the area. |
| 21:41.00 | JademusSreg | *an area |
| 21:41.32 | Zotac | Yep, well the ability does work, problem is that i need a target for it to work |
| 21:42.08 | Zotac | But i want to to be cast on top of the "Casting unit" |
| 21:42.26 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll open the editor. |
| 21:42.56 | JademusSreg | I can't handwave through details like specific field values. |
| 21:46.01 | JademusSreg | Wanna put up a screenshot of your ability and effects? |
| 21:46.19 | JademusSreg | (referably using dropbox or imgur.) |
| 21:46.28 | JademusSreg | *Preferably |
| 21:46.35 | Zotac | Sure, ill do that :) |
| 21:46.53 | Zotac | One moment |
| 21:48.20 | JademusSreg | Do you use Table View? |
| 21:48.36 | Zotac | Yeah |
| 21:48.47 | JademusSreg | Excellent. |
| 21:48.59 | JademusSreg | That'll make this much smoother. |
| 21:49.11 | Zotac | http://imgur.com/a/9UXL1 |
| 21:49.28 | Zotac | Thoes are the ability and the Search Area one's, im not sure if you need the others? |
| 21:49.47 | JademusSreg | Only if I don't find a problem in there. |
| 21:49.58 | Zotac | Okay :) |
| 21:50.27 | JademusSreg | Curious, why would you give an effect instant a range if it can't be targeted? |
| 21:51.17 | Zotac | I woulden't, that's apperently one of the things i forgot to change :s |
| 21:52.10 | JademusSreg | Also, it doesn't have any Commands in that shot. Did you delete them? |
| 21:53.02 | JademusSreg | Right click (or equivalent) on the field and reset it to the parent value. |
| 21:53.23 | JademusSreg | Can't really use an ability if it doesn't have a command, I expect. |
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| 21:54.25 | Zotac | Done, well no i dident delete it, but funny enough, it does work without it, ill just se what happens now |
| 21:55.14 | JademusSreg | Also, in your search area effect, don't add caster to exclude; that field is for apply effects to excluded units. Instead, add self to the excluded Search Filters. |
| 21:56.44 | Zotac | I does cast it now, but my unit dies, and the courser still changes to a "target" kind of courser |
| 21:57.54 | Zotac | As for the exclude thing, changed that too, thanks ^^ |
| 21:57.56 | JademusSreg | Reset Marker field array, you can probably reset Launch Location since it defaults to source unit anyway. |
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| 21:58.38 | JademusSreg | You have a lot of areas in the area array, it seems. |
| 21:58.55 | JademusSreg | 8, by my count. |
| 21:58.58 | Zotac | Yep, 8 :) |
| 21:59.18 | Zotac | Yeah, it was supposed to go outwards, atleast thats what the guide told me it would :) |
| 21:59.55 | JademusSreg | Gotta change my daughter's diaper. brb |
| 22:00.21 | Zotac | Now the courser problem is gone, but the unit is still being killed apperently :p |
| 22:00.23 | Zotac | Okay ^^ |
| 22:02.58 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:03.18 | JademusSreg | So I take it you use the 8 separate areas to apply different amnounts of damage ina cone? |
| 22:03.18 | Zotac | Now it works, my Persistents was set to Location "Casting Unit" |
| 22:03.54 | Zotac | Well acturly it was mostly for the look, that damage was supposed to be the same |
| 22:04.29 | Zotac | But i think ill change it to just search one bit area instead, 360degree's, i assume thats possible somehow :p |
| 22:04.39 | JademusSreg | Oh, well that's a bit wasteful. A single area with an arc of, say, 45 degrees for example would be more efficient. |
| 22:04.45 | Stewox | hello |
| 22:04.55 | Stewox | helral still worked on that UI web based thing |
| 22:05.14 | Stewox | dunno havent' been on for some time |
| 22:05.15 | Zotac | But 45 degrees' wouldent that make it not go out from everywhere around the casting unit? |
| 22:05.41 | JademusSreg | Helral is cryptic as always. |
| 22:05.56 | Zotac | "Who is he talking to" :p |
| 22:06.02 | JademusSreg | Zot, ah, so you didn't want a cone, but a radial shockwave? |
| 22:06.10 | Zotac | Exactly! |
| 22:06.25 | JademusSreg | Then a single area with an arc of 360 would be more efficient. |
| 22:07.12 | Zotac | Okay, but then the Persistents wouldent be needed would they?, as far as i "know"(wich i dont), it just makes the damage all the way out? :o |
| 22:07.18 | Zotac | im just confirming here if that okay :p |
| 22:08.22 | JademusSreg | Persistents have their uses; if you need to do something over time. |
| 22:09.06 | JademusSreg | If you need to do something over time, you use a Create Persistent effect, but if the damage is dealt in one wallop, then do not pass go, move directly to Search Area. |
| 22:09.53 | Zotac | Okay great, thanks :D |
| 22:09.57 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
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| 22:24.48 | pirate | yarr |
| 22:24.51 | ekcolnovkol | yarr |
| 22:25.11 | pirate | :D |
| 22:25.19 | ekcolnovkol | D: don't plunder me |
| 22:25.39 | pirate | you'd like that wouldn't you |
| 22:31.18 | pirate | is there any easy way to set dialog item/control text to a player's color? |
| 22:32.33 | pirate | I'm assuming no due to the interaction of xml tags |
| 22:33.42 | Mexa | wtf |
| 22:33.56 | pirate | ..? |
| 22:34.00 | Mexa | The radio... the guy on there is telling erotic stories |
| 22:34.37 | pirate | you listen to weird radio |
| 22:34.48 | Mexa | It was unintentional <.< |
| 22:36.58 | pirate | anyone going to blizzcon? |
| 22:38.29 | Aelia | you cant turn a preset into a string? |
| 22:39.01 | pirate | aren't presets technically int? |
| 22:39.06 | Aelia | yeah |
| 22:39.15 | Aelia | but they have a string name attached to them |
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| 22:40.00 | pirate | I assumed that the "string" name was a global preset |
| 22:53.59 | Zotac | So, even tho i have excluded "self" int my Damage Effect, i still gets killed by my freaking ability argh, i should startet out with a TD >.< |
| 22:56.10 | pirate | well, you never should've made a TD to begin with |
| 22:56.25 | Aelia | why is that |
| 22:56.27 | Zotac | Why not? :p |
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| 23:00.31 | Mexa | lol |
| 23:00.51 | Mexa | I feel so tempted to make a sc2 editor better than Blizzard's one |
| 23:01.03 | Mexa | I know it would probably take years, and not being worth it |
| 23:01.12 | Mexa | But it's tempting xP |
| 23:01.53 | Mexa | And probably not even possible unless lots of lots of reverse enginerring |
| 23:03.03 | Mexa | I'll just stick to my designer for now.. |
| 23:03.12 | pirate_ | what do you want improved? |
| 23:03.28 | Mexa | The performance |
| 23:03.49 | pirate_ | get more RAM? :P |
| 23:03.50 | Mexa | And dialog previewing support, and as well enhanced galaxy support |
| 23:04.06 | Mexa | The RAM is not questionable |
| 23:04.06 | pirate_ | dialogs... dialogs |
| 23:04.09 | Mexa | I have 6GB |
| 23:04.20 | pirate_ | it was a joke |
| 23:04.26 | Mexa | ._. |
| 23:04.56 | pirate_ | honestly, setting up UI with dialogs is the most time consuming part of my development cycle |
| 23:05.23 | Mexa | You can't deny that any midend compter with beyond the minimum requirements (and recommended) is still having performance problems with the editor. |
| 23:05.41 | Mexa | Resizing windows, and previewing images for a starter |
| 23:05.58 | Mexa | Lack of multithreading too. |
| 23:06.09 | pirate_ | Most of the time I run with the terrain editor closed |
| 23:06.45 | Mexa | among things |
| 23:07.04 | Mexa | Ohwell, I should keep dreaming |
| 23:07.11 | Mexa | And I need to go to bed anyways |
| 23:07.19 | pirate_ | weakling |
| 23:07.27 | Mexa | :P I slept 1 hour last night |
| 23:08.02 | Zotac | Why wouldent i want to create a TD btw? :p |
| 23:08.06 | Mexa | it's 1AM and I need to compress the remaining time til I wake up around 10AM. |
| 23:08.15 | Mexa | For sleep. |
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| 23:11.01 | pirate_ | A) there are too many and don't add value to the state of SC2 mods. |
| 23:11.08 | pirate_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.09 | pirate_ | C) Unless you've got some amazing new feature and stunning visual presentation, no one will respect you for making a TD |
| 23:11.51 | Zotac | I dont realy give a fuck what people think :p, i just want to learn it, that's why i said i should have started out with a TD rather than a Hero System :) |
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| 23:12.17 | Zotac | Wasent going to publich the TD either :p |
| 23:14.08 | Pirate | did my A B and C get through? |
| 23:14.17 | Pirate | internet keeps cutting out |
| 23:14.28 | Pirate | roommates torrenting too much porn |
| 23:14.29 | Zotac | Aye, and i can tell that my reply dident xD |
| 23:14.59 | Zotac | Said: i dont care what people think, i was meant as a learning phase, instead of starting out with a Hero System, wich im making now :p |
| 23:15.10 | Pirate | yeah |
| 23:15.27 | Pirate | I would recommend making "heroes" to learn data |
| 23:15.43 | Zotac | I am, and thats fucking screwed :p |
| 23:15.58 | Zotac | I still dont get it |
| 23:16.00 | Pirate | however it's impractical to try to completely emulate War3 style heroes |
| 23:16.10 | Pirate | as in, don't bother with inventory or leveling |
| 23:16.19 | Zotac | Leveling i've got working |
| 23:16.20 | Pirate | both of those are far better handled in scripting IMO |
| 23:16.33 | Zotac | Its the freaking skill actor crap thats pissing me off :p |
| 23:17.06 | Pirate | actors take awhile to get the hang of, but are absolutely fantastic if you happen to know everything about them |
| 23:17.19 | Vailreth|2 | or enough about them |
| 23:17.34 | Zotac | I bet, but i've been at it for 2 days, and it still doesent make much sense |
| 23:17.53 | Pirate | I sure wish you change the color of the bar part of progress bars |
| 23:18.28 | Vailreth|2 | maybe i could help out whats the issue Zotac? |
| 23:19.04 | Zotac | I'm afraid i dont even know what the issue is :s |
| 23:19.24 | Vailreth|2 | what are you trying to do vs what is it doing, not doing |
| 23:19.33 | Zotac | I've got a skill working, atleast damage wise, my stun is fucked still, but no animation plays while i use the ability |
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| 23:20.09 | FockeWulf | Hey I've got a question, who knows what .dds format I need to use to import custom dialog frames into sc2? |
| 23:20.13 | Vailreth|2 | the hero doesnt animate or no special fx occour |
| 23:20.35 | Pirate | there are multiple dds formats? |
| 23:20.46 | Vailreth|2 | indeed there are |
| 23:21.09 | Zotac | Vailreth|2, Exactly none of em |
| 23:21.20 | Zotac | The ability is used, the damage to the enemy does happen |
| 23:21.25 | Zotac | But no animation what so ever |
| 23:22.12 | Zotac | I have an Ability called "Shock", and actors: Shock and Shock.Sound |
| 23:23.14 | FockeWulf | Ya but I'm trying nearly every one and I can't seem to find it, nor can I find the guide I read about it 6 months ago if memory serves >.> |
| 23:23.50 | Vailreth|2 | what type of actor is Shock? |
| 23:24.18 | Zotac | Model, if that's what you mean |
| 23:24.48 | Zotac | Im sorry, but i started with the SC2 map-making yesterday, so i might be a bit lost :p |
| 23:25.02 | Vailreth|2 | ah no problem |
| 23:25.07 | Vailreth|2 | we were all knew once |
| 23:26.36 | Zotac | Anyway, in the "Shock" actor, i've got a Behavior.Shock -> AnimPlay Death Death |
| 23:26.40 | Vailreth|2 | in you shock actor you will likely have to modify the actor events to refrence your effects buffs or ability. |
| 23:26.44 | Vailreth|2 | ah |
| 23:26.46 | Vailreth|2 | ok |
| 23:27.00 | Zotac | And AnimDone -> AnimName Death -> Destroy |
| 23:27.43 | Vailreth|2 | and the actor has a death animation? |
| 23:27.54 | Zotac | And the model i've loaded is 250mmStrikeblabla, and i called it in the preview and found "Death" animation there |
| 23:27.57 | Zotac | Yeah :p |
| 23:28.29 | Vailreth|2 | are you creating the actor? |
| 23:28.58 | Zotac | Well, im not sure what you mean, i dident duplicate it if thats what you mean :o |
| 23:29.40 | Vailreth|2 | actors need and event to tell them when to be created like Behavior-Example-On Create |
| 23:30.29 | Zotac | Well, the "Shock" in the "Behavior.Shock" is the "Abilities", should i've picked something else? |
| 23:31.49 | Zotac | What im asking is, does it have to be a "Behavior", "Effect" or "Abilities"? |
| 23:32.05 | Vailreth|2 | would you be willing to screenshot and share that actors events? i think you may just be missing the event that tells the actor to turn on |
| 23:32.33 | Zotac | Sure sure, everyone for the one helping me xD |
| 23:32.36 | Zotac | One moment ¨^ |
| 23:33.27 | Zotac | http://imgur.com/XgyAT there you go :) |
| 23:34.57 | Vailreth|2 | ah as i thought you are missing the event that turns the actor on |
| 23:35.20 | Zotac | I bet your right :p |
| 23:35.44 | Vailreth|2 | you would want to add the event Behavior.EletricShock.Create --> Create |
| 23:36.28 | Pirate | anyone know how to change the camera for portraits? |
| 23:36.35 | Vailreth|2 | or if that dosent work change the behavior eletricshock.create to beahvior eletricshock.on |
| 23:36.37 | Pirate | something about cameras as strings |
| 23:37.10 | Vailreth|2 | i think the portrait cameras are for intents and purposes locked |
| 23:37.48 | Pirate | but it gives us a parameter field :( |
| 23:37.54 | Zotac | So im going to make a Behavior.EletricShock.Create --> Create, before the Behavior.EletricShock.Create --> AnimPlay? |
| 23:43.56 | Zotac | The Behavior i have, "Electric Shock", is a buff / Stun, could it be that i dont acturly stuff / buff anything, and thats why it aint working? :o |
| 23:45.38 | Zotac | Yeah that was it :p, issue though, it creates the animation on the units i stun, rather than on my "Caster" unit |
| 23:49.38 | Vailreth|2 | sorry to fall silent FOOD |
| 23:50.40 | Zotac | No worries :p |
| 23:50.54 | Vailreth|2 | anyway way if you want it to play on the caster of the ability you would use the Ability Event instead of behavior |
| 23:51.29 | Vailreth|2 | likely Ablility.Name.SourceCast -->create |
| 23:52.01 | Zotac | Ohh nice :D |
| 23:58.27 | Vailreth|2 | as for duplicating objects, it has its uses and i dont see what is the big aversion to it, as long as you understand what you are doing with it its very helpful. |