| 00:00.37 | A1win | kids need all kinds of distraction to have something else to think about than what they're actually doing D: |
| 00:00.59 | A1win | the 2nd one doesn't seem like it though |
| 00:01.35 | A1win | that's just ugly |
| 00:01.51 | A1win | well so is the first one, but it's something else as well |
| 00:01.57 | cplusplus | lol this is my desktop http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17280988/dtop.png |
| 00:02.38 | Mexa_ | well, it's better |
| 00:02.44 | Mexa_ | Where's your toolbar tho? |
| 00:03.04 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Desktop.jpg |
| 00:03.15 | cplusplus | my toolbar is hidden |
| 00:03.18 | cplusplus | on my bottom screen |
| 00:03.33 | cplusplus | nice mspaint lol |
| 00:03.56 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:04.08 | Mexa_ | I was about to install fences, that better clean my desktop up abit |
| 00:04.25 | JademusSreg | No desktop, no problems. |
| 00:04.37 | cplusplus | i stopped mspaint a while back, :( |
| 00:04.55 | A1win | my desktop has a slideshow of pretty ladies as background, toolbar at the right with only icons visible.. and nothing more |
| 00:05.46 | JademusSreg | Old screenshot. My desktop still is just as barren, only I'm playing FFT War of the Lions atm. |
| 00:06.01 | cplusplus | cool |
| 00:06.12 | JademusSreg | Shitty java emulator. |
| 00:06.12 | cplusplus | you should try Disgaea for ps2 if you havent already |
| 00:06.40 | cplusplus | disgaea is hilariously fun for ps2, one of the best tactical rpgs ive played |
| 00:06.44 | Mexa_ | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/desktop.jpg .. yeah |
| 00:06.45 | A1win | I'm getting to the point in my project when my head fills with so many ideas of what to do that I'm getting frustrated of continuing because it feels like it'd take too long and I'd get bored at some point anyway so better get bored already |
| 00:06.50 | JademusSreg | Disgaea was too, shall we say, moe for my tastes. |
| 00:06.53 | Mexa_ | I do need to clean it |
| 00:07.32 | A1win | select all, press delete |
| 00:07.38 | Mexa_ | impossible |
| 00:07.42 | cplusplus | moe? |
| 00:08.00 | A1win | I never keep any files on my desktop D: |
| 00:08.03 | JademusSreg | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Moe |
| 00:08.05 | A1win | it just seems wrong |
| 00:08.19 | Mexa_ | The ones I use frequently tend to go there <.< |
| 00:08.26 | Mexa_ | Or been used |
| 00:08.50 | cplusplus | oh, well ya the story is definitely like that, lol |
| 00:10.30 | Mexa_ | A1win, silly thing being, for the folders and maps, I need to check the content too see what's in there before deleting :| |
| 00:10.52 | A1win | why are they on your desktop to begin with xO |
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| 00:13.00 | Mexa_ | Silly thing happends |
| 00:13.08 | Mexa_ | 1) skype downloads |
| 00:13.13 | Mexa_ | 2) map saving |
| 00:13.26 | Mexa_ | 3) chrome downloads was there a while too |
| 00:13.38 | Mexa_ | 4) some shizzle new, copy, paste etc |
| 00:13.43 | A1win | :x |
| 00:13.50 | Mexa_ | derpity |
| 00:14.05 | A1win | I have everything well organized on my hard disk in different partitions and folders under them |
| 00:14.14 | egod | is it possible to Screenshot a image and put in a Dialog Background |
| 00:14.15 | Mexa_ | It's the easiest sometimes, like when you export a file from a map for instance |
| 00:14.34 | Mexa_ | And I want to view it at once, I save it on the desktop since I therefrom will access it at once. |
| 00:14.37 | A1win | egod, sure |
| 00:14.43 | egod | ok |
| 00:15.01 | A1win | though you might want to use a dialog item image instead and hide the dialog itself |
| 00:15.26 | egod | hm k |
| 00:15.28 | A1win | and you'll need a software to convert the image to blizzard's format, was it .dds |
| 00:15.31 | egod | so |
| 00:15.38 | egod | oh |
| 00:15.40 | egod | ok ya |
| 00:15.41 | Mexa_ | you don't |
| 00:15.45 | A1win | oh |
| 00:16.07 | Mexa_ | images can be jpg, dds, png, tga, and possibly bmp too |
| 00:16.24 | Mexa_ | not that you would ever want to use jpg and bmp |
| 00:16.26 | egod | hm k |
| 00:16.29 | egod | so |
| 00:16.30 | egod | will |
| 00:16.37 | egod | Screenshot a UI of another game |
| 00:16.40 | Mexa_ | But dds is the one which will be fastest to use for the graphics card, fyi. |
| 00:16.44 | egod | and add in a background |
| 00:16.48 | Mexa_ | eeewh |
| 00:16.52 | Mexa_ | :P |
| 00:16.52 | A1win | <.< |
| 00:17.28 | Mexa_ | Let me guess |
| 00:17.30 | A1win | "I thought it was supposed to be one of a kind." "Yep, that's why I stashed copies all over the place." |
| 00:17.32 | Mexa_ | HoMM3? |
| 00:17.52 | egod | im waiting for DUstin map for HOMM3 |
| 00:18.04 | Mexa_ | So, I was right? |
| 00:18.16 | Mexa_ | Are you planning to directly take the HoMM3 UI? |
| 00:18.22 | egod | well, im working on zelda cause dustin is slow |
| 00:18.38 | Mexa_ | Oh, so zelda UI? |
| 00:18.41 | A1win | why is everyone working on remakes of other games :| |
| 00:18.48 | A1win | why don't you just play those games |
| 00:18.49 | Mexa_ | Good luck with either, they will look like shit in sc2 |
| 00:18.53 | Mexa_ | x_x |
| 00:18.59 | egod | nah |
| 00:19.05 | egod | i found a way to |
| 00:19.12 | egod | \have Muti-Video |
| 00:19.18 | Mexa_ | ? |
| 00:19.23 | egod | for 2D animation |
| 00:19.27 | egod | with sprite |
| 00:19.27 | Mexa_ | Muti-video? |
| 00:19.32 | egod | Multi-video yeah |
| 00:19.48 | Mexa_ | What's that`..? |
| 00:19.58 | egod | STarmovie version Egod |
| 00:20.17 | egod | its how i made menu |
| 00:20.22 | Mexa_ | huh. |
| 00:21.24 | egod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPQZ-jfMP4w&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:21.25 | egod | see |
| 00:21.29 | egod | video |
| 00:21.35 | egod | thing is |
| 00:21.45 | egod | only work for (all player at same time) |
| 00:21.48 | egod | but i found a way |
| 00:21.52 | Mexa_ | I've seen that already, and I still don't know what a multivideo is. |
| 00:21.55 | egod | so i can animate lot off thing |
| 00:23.38 | egod | so |
| 00:23.46 | egod | if you played HOMM3 in 90s |
| 00:23.55 | egod | there is Animated Town |
| 00:24.15 | egod | gonna work in my map |
| 00:24.29 | Mexa_ | You're going to rip the towns? |
| 00:24.30 | egod | + Dustin Pathing + 2D Sprite |
| 00:24.34 | egod | yup |
| 00:24.36 | Mexa_ | lame |
| 00:24.37 | Mexa_ | <.< |
| 00:24.49 | egod | i got all the Game Files |
| 00:25.08 | Mexa_ | That doesn't impress me more. |
| 00:25.15 | egod | dude |
| 00:25.18 | egod | you play it^ |
| 00:25.23 | egod | or not |
| 00:25.27 | egod | its very addicting game |
| 00:26.06 | Mexa_ | No, but saying that "oh look, I have all the game files, I will now take them and screenshot for my map" wasn't impressive for me. |
| 00:26.18 | Mexa_ | HoMM3 is a fun game |
| 00:26.27 | egod | you never played it |
| 00:26.35 | Mexa_ | Ofcourse I have |
| 00:26.38 | egod | ah |
| 00:26.41 | egod | so |
| 00:26.57 | egod | thing is |
| 00:27.03 | egod | its easy to make |
| 00:27.19 | Mexa_ | We'll see about that when you're done. |
| 00:27.36 | Mexa_ | At leats you have competition, since there is another HoMM project already around. |
| 00:27.38 | egod | dont worry, inm busy with zelda |
| 00:27.40 | Mexa_ | *least |
| 00:27.41 | JademusSreg | IP wanking is nothing to celebrate. |
| 00:27.45 | Mexa_ | ^ |
| 00:28.22 | egod | there another game i wanna remake |
| 00:28.28 | egod | FF6 on SNES |
| 00:28.53 | Aelia | already been done |
| 00:28.59 | Mexa_ | Can't you just make a fan game instead of being a skiddie?:P |
| 00:29.01 | Aelia | do someting original |
| 00:29.04 | egod | not in 2D |
| 00:29.10 | JademusSreg | Have you considered generating original content? =\ |
| 00:29.11 | egod | 3D is shit |
| 00:29.34 | Mexa_ | egod, can I ask you about your age? |
| 00:29.49 | egod | im old men |
| 00:29.57 | JademusSreg | Plural? |
| 00:30.12 | Mexa_ | eastern european? |
| 00:30.17 | egod | i played every 90s games |
| 00:30.33 | egod | cause i was a little kids |
| 00:30.37 | egod | so im around 25 |
| 00:30.49 | Aelia | http://www.gamefaqs.com/gba/930370-final-fantasy-vi-advance |
| 00:30.51 | cplusplus | Or even grabbing inspiration from an existing title? |
| 00:31.11 | egod | its not inspiration, i just Copy/Paste game in Sc2 engine and i love it |
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| 00:31.31 | cplusplus | Yes i know its not inspiration, thats my point |
| 00:32.13 | cplusplus | Also, around 25? |
| 00:32.28 | JademusSreg | He's uncertain. |
| 00:32.31 | cplusplus | you have to estimate? |
| 00:32.42 | cplusplus | :/ |
| 00:32.47 | egod | im always on drugs |
| 00:33.02 | cplusplus | Awesome. |
| 00:33.21 | JademusSreg | Thorazine? |
| 00:33.29 | cplusplus | Terrazine? |
| 00:33.34 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:33.41 | A1win | I'm afraid to find out what my mind would do on drugs, it's already doing weird shit withou them |
| 00:34.40 | Dustin | lol |
| 00:34.44 | Dustin | Im high alot |
| 00:34.46 | Dustin | but damn man |
| 00:35.21 | Mexa_ | egod, you're canadian? |
| 00:35.31 | Mexa_ | (btw) |
| 00:35.32 | egod | im french canadian what you think |
| 00:36.09 | Mexa_ | I don't know, since you lack some english (no offense) you could have been from anywhere. |
| 00:36.14 | egod | but i played in a American Hollywood movie when i was 12 |
| 00:36.22 | egod | they pay me a lot |
| 00:37.09 | Dustin | lol what egod? |
| 00:37.21 | egod | check on youtube |
| 00:37.37 | JademusSreg | "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" -Carl Sagan |
| 00:37.39 | egod | 35 million budget movie |
| 00:37.59 | Mexa_ | name of the movie? |
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| 00:39.37 | Mexa_ | lol.. |
| 00:40.16 | egod_ | the movie was filmed in Canada in my Hometown, i was 12, and the guys give me the job |
| 00:40.23 | egod_ | i played in the Barney movie |
| 00:40.50 | Mexa_ | Barney's Great Adventure? |
| 00:40.54 | egod_ | yup |
| 00:41.58 | JademusSreg | I don't see you in the credits. |
| 00:42.00 | Dustin | And youre still getting paid from it? |
| 00:42.09 | egod_ | no dustin lol |
| 00:42.22 | Dustin | How much did you make |
| 00:42.35 | egod_ | 150$ by days |
| 00:42.47 | egod_ | i was 12 |
| 00:42.49 | Dustin | oh lol |
| 00:43.14 | egod_ | was around 1 month of filming, food included |
| 00:43.23 | JademusSreg | I don't see you in the credits. |
| 00:43.33 | Mexa_ | Did you figure out this story as we speak, high as you are? |
| 00:43.37 | A1win | why are you even looking |
| 00:43.37 | A1win | D: |
| 00:43.48 | egod_ | dude, i dont lie |
| 00:43.57 | egod_ | im half american |
| 00:44.08 | egod_ | barney is my american friend |
| 00:45.12 | JademusSreg | Claims require evidence, and the weight of the evidence ought to correlate to the significance of the claim. |
| 00:46.30 | Mexa_ | And so far, everything you have said is just waffles. |
| 00:46.42 | egod_ | dude i dont lie |
| 00:46.51 | Mexa_ | You said that already |
| 00:46.55 | egod_ | i played with this guys from Jurrassic Park 3 |
| 00:46.57 | JademusSreg | Delicious, syrup-ladden waffles. |
| 00:47.00 | Mexa_ | xD |
| 00:47.12 | egod_ | what his name i dont remember |
| 00:47.30 | Mexa_ | How did it go from Barney's adventure to Jurrasic Park? |
| 00:47.50 | egod_ | yeah well |
| 00:47.50 | egod_ | its a long story |
| 00:47.51 | A1win | why are there no good tv series with female leads :( |
| 00:48.16 | JademusSreg | Nobody cares, obviously, but without evidence, you can't expect anyone to take your word for it. |
| 00:48.56 | A1win | or movies for that matter |
| 00:49.12 | Mexa_ | Hmm, could one say they are sober when they are not under the effect of drugs too? |
| 00:49.19 | Mexa_ | Like with alcohol, or is there another term? |
| 00:49.19 | JademusSreg | A1, because media tends to objectify women rather than develop their characters. See also "fanservice". |
| 00:49.22 | egod_ | lol |
| 00:50.15 | egod_ | Dustin are you done^ |
| 00:50.32 | Mexa_ | A1win, I recall Commander in Chief being a pretty good series |
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| 00:51.04 | Mexa_ | oh well, apparantly only decent on imdb |
| 00:51.30 | Mexa_ | weeei |
| 00:51.51 | A1win | I'm quite picky when it comes to video entertainment |
| 00:52.25 | Mexa_ | ugly betty, grey's anatomy ;P? |
| 00:52.47 | Mexa_ | sex and the city |
| 00:52.47 | A1win | grey's anatomy was good for a while, then it got insanely boring so I stopped watching it |
| 00:52.57 | JademusSreg | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodHomely |
| 00:53.02 | Mexa_ | desperate housewives |
| 00:53.09 | egod_ | i like Xena The Warrior |
| 00:53.14 | Mexa_ | I'm not saying whether or not they are good though. |
| 00:53.29 | A1win | :P yeah well, I'm not really looking for a series *for* women |
| 00:53.56 | A1win | which is the problem I suppose |
| 00:54.08 | A1win | they just don't make series for men with female leads |
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| 00:55.30 | Mexa_ | Buffy the vampire slayer |
| 00:55.30 | Mexa_ | Bewitched? |
| 00:55.44 | egod_ | Xena is this |
| 00:55.44 | A1win | True Blood was alright in the first season, then it got... well, bad |
| 00:55.44 | JademusSreg | Assuming genders have such divided interests like that is a bit fallacious. |
| 00:56.05 | Mexa_ | Oh, I meant "Charmed", not Bewitched |
| 00:56.34 | A1win | think I watched those when I was younger, don't think I'd like them anymore |
| 00:56.43 | Mexa_ | probably not |
| 00:57.10 | A1win | V for Vendetta should probably be mentioned o: |
| 00:57.27 | Mexa_ | Is that a tv series? |
| 00:57.31 | cplusplus | hey so, does galaxy have a trigger for cross products? |
| 00:57.36 | Mexa_ | no |
| 00:57.38 | A1win | no, but I also mentioned movies |
| 00:57.51 | cplusplus | Mexa, was that no to me? |
| 00:57.57 | Mexa_ | oh, well, then there's more variety to it, A1win |
| 00:58.09 | Mexa_ | I eman the collection |
| 00:58.12 | Mexa_ | I could think of some movies |
| 00:58.17 | Mexa_ | cplusplus, it was |
| 00:58.37 | Mexa_ | it's not that hard to make one yourself, though |
| 00:58.46 | Mexa_ | Though, what would you use it on? Points? |
| 01:00.14 | Mexa_ | Oh that reminds me... I need to watch the Peter Seller's Pink Panther movies again. |
| 01:00.58 | cplusplus | yes, points |
| 01:01.06 | cplusplus | points pretending to be vectors |
| 01:01.13 | Mexa_ | mhm |
| 01:01.15 | cplusplus | mexa are you any good with math? |
| 01:01.20 | Mexa_ | Sometimes. |
| 01:01.48 | cplusplus | Well, I'm trying to figure out how to apply a rotational force to a circle depending on where i hit the circle |
| 01:01.57 | cplusplus | and at what angle i hit it. |
| 01:01.58 | egod_ | Can anyone phone call Dustin |
| 01:02.18 | Mexa_ | isn't the dot product of U and V ux*vy + vx*uy? |
| 01:02.30 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 01:02.32 | Mexa_ | hm |
| 01:02.53 | cplusplus | so uhh |
| 01:03.23 | cplusplus | if i hit it on the right side of a circle, and the y offset is high, then the circle would spin counterclockwise |
| 01:03.58 | Mexa_ | oh, you want to add a spin, right? |
| 01:04.06 | cplusplus | but if i hit it on the right side and y offset was 0 and it was dead center on the right side, there would be no spin |
| 01:04.08 | cplusplus | correct |
| 01:04.33 | Mexa_ | hm |
| 01:04.38 | cplusplus | i came up with some equations for it, but they are so ridiculously complex i figure i must be doing something wrong |
| 01:04.43 | egod_ | Dustin Beiver |
| 01:04.44 | cplusplus | horribly horribly wrong... |
| 01:04.59 | Mexa_ | I'm not at all sure how to do this, not in my head anyways |
| 01:05.23 | Mexa_ | I also said the dot product wrong, so:P |
| 01:05.30 | cplusplus | lol ya i noticed |
| 01:05.33 | cplusplus | :P |
| 01:05.41 | cplusplus | i just didnt say anything hoping you wouldnt notice |
| 01:05.46 | Mexa_ | ^^ |
| 01:05.46 | A1win | aren't you talking more about physics than maths, though? |
| 01:05.54 | cplusplus | ya |
| 01:05.59 | cplusplus | it is physics |
| 01:06.15 | A1win | physics is boring as hell :| |
| 01:06.16 | casperb | Easier to just hit google up |
| 01:06.21 | casperb | no it's not :D |
| 01:06.23 | Mexa_ | This is 2d physics though, right? |
| 01:06.27 | cplusplus | youd think it would be easier |
| 01:06.31 | cplusplus | ya its 2d |
| 01:07.02 | cplusplus | so far this is what ive got |
| 01:07.05 | cplusplus | Of = Os + (r × j*n) / I; |
| 01:07.18 | Mexa_ | clarify the variables:P |
| 01:07.19 | cplusplus | where j is j = (-(1+e)v * n) / (1/m + ((r × n)^2) / I) |
| 01:07.35 | cplusplus | Of is Omega final, Os is Omega start |
| 01:07.44 | Mexa_ | so, an angle? |
| 01:07.48 | cplusplus | yes |
| 01:08.01 | Mexa_ | I'm sure that expression can be simplified |
| 01:08.02 | cplusplus | r is distance from radius |
| 01:08.44 | cplusplus | n is the normal vector, perpindicular to the point of impact |
| 01:08.51 | cplusplus | and I is inertia of the object |
| 01:09.46 | cplusplus | j is impulse |
| 01:10.05 | Mexa_ | ._. |
| 01:10.24 | Mexa_ | I don't think I can help you |
| 01:10.32 | Mexa_ | My physics is way more rusty. |
| 01:10.39 | Mexa_ | *knowledge |
| 01:10.58 | cplusplus | ya, ive been researching for a while now |
| 01:11.02 | A1win | does it need to be so precise or could you just fake it visually? |
| 01:11.09 | Mexa_ | But I'd try to simplify the expression anyways, both for your sake and the engine's |
| 01:11.13 | cplusplus | i wouldnt mind faking it |
| 01:11.37 | cplusplus | but i want it also to be "realistic" |
| 01:11.41 | A1win | can't say anything about faking it without knowing what it is :P |
| 01:11.49 | cplusplus | well a1 |
| 01:11.52 | cplusplus | let me show you |
| 01:12.06 | cplusplus | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17280988/PuzzleBobble.SC2Map |
| 01:12.10 | cplusplus | download and run that |
| 01:12.24 | cplusplus | hit space bar when you enter the game to change the rotational mode |
| 01:12.28 | Mexa_ | ~seen alpha_vst |
| 01:12.32 | purl | alpha_vst <~Joeffect@c-24-5-9-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 156d 19h 22m 13s ago, saying: 'we mined the whole fucking map'. |
| 01:13.05 | cplusplus | But my end goal is to make a circular http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/783/783393/bust-a-move-bash-20070425020013906.jpg |
| 01:13.22 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 01:13.28 | Mexa_ | I see |
| 01:13.49 | Mexa_ | I've played one of those, where you have a circular field of bubbles instead |
| 01:13.54 | Mexa_ | Which will spin when you hit |
| 01:14.03 | Mexa_ | Is that it? |
| 01:14.11 | cplusplus | ya basically |
| 01:14.16 | cplusplus | but with 8 players |
| 01:14.34 | A1win | ah... seems you do need to be rather precise since it'd be used quite generally |
| 01:14.48 | Mexa_ | that's a pretty nifty idea |
| 01:15.32 | A1win | why do the marines blink when I hit space D: |
| 01:15.54 | Mexa_ | It looked like they shaped an ellipse for me |
| 01:16.00 | Mexa_ | Some of them, at least |
| 01:17.06 | cplusplus | ya they do a little |
| 01:17.29 | cplusplus | its because its re-positioning them at angle 0 when you hit space |
| 01:21.13 | cplusplus | does galaxy have any functions like, get normal or anything like that? |
| 01:21.36 | A1win | doubtfully |
| 01:22.02 | A1win | most functions are represented in the trigger editor... and I haven't seen any vector functions there |
| 01:23.32 | Mexa_ | the "Points" part of the galaxy API is pretty limited |
| 01:24.05 | Mexa_ | I made some extensions for points in the past, but they're gone now |
| 01:24.44 | Mexa_ | Even better though, use points as little as possible |
| 01:25.17 | Mexa_ | If you create points in a huge extent, they could give an overhead |
| 01:25.26 | Mexa_ | Especially when used in operations |
| 01:25.54 | cplusplus | oh i see |
| 01:26.37 | cplusplus | and its not very possible to pass structs as parameters, right? |
| 01:26.41 | Mexa_ | no |
| 01:26.54 | Mexa_ | Tho with galaxy++, you can simulate it |
| 01:27.06 | Mexa_ | The compiler with output what's required |
| 01:27.54 | Mexa_ | *will |
| 01:29.00 | Mexa_ | Meh, I need to go.. It's late |
| 01:29.07 | Mexa_ | or early |
| 01:29.14 | Mexa_ | seeya |
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| 02:46.18 | Vailreth | Mellow Yellow Fellow |
| 02:46.39 | Vailreth | hello |
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| 03:47.31 | Vailreth | any one have any need for data editing assistance? |
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| 04:12.06 | RndmObjcts | anyone on NA able to help me test my map real fast? |
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| 04:32.15 | Frostwind | hi |
| 04:32.27 | Frostwind | anyone wanna start a rpg project with me? |
| 04:33.44 | Frostwind | I guess no one then :( |
| 04:33.47 | Frostwind | figures |
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| 12:25.38 | Ashamed | Good morning - |
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| 13:07.38 | Mexa_ | I like how the chat has been extremely silent while I was asleep.. |
| 13:08.03 | egod | cause i log off to |
| 13:08.07 | Mexa_ | apart from a wuffwuff 3 hours ago |
| 13:10.11 | Mexa_ | suresure. |
| 13:10.51 | egod | im setting my Zelda map for 6xPLayer today so im gonna need 6x people to test it later |
| 13:12.05 | egod | cause Dustin is to stone and did not send me his map |
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| 13:27.15 | Dustin | Im not sending it to you because Im making a map with it :P |
| 13:27.32 | egod | ahhh |
| 13:27.45 | egod | fine |
| 13:31.30 | egod | no its not fine |
| 13:31.37 | egod | make your thing |
| 13:31.52 | egod | and send it to me will add 2D |
| 13:33.24 | Mexa_ | Dustin, what are you making? |
| 13:34.52 | egod | he have a cool pathing system |
| 13:34.57 | Dustin | My TBS project, |
| 13:34.57 | egod | i want it |
| 13:35.25 | Mexa_ | oh, what's TBS:P?` |
| 13:35.33 | Dustin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mfb2Safa1E |
| 13:35.47 | Dustin | Gonna be like that prototype I made |
| 13:36.03 | Mexa_ | oh yeah, I remember that video |
| 13:39.51 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 13:40.59 | egod | how can i make something like this quickly: Press Q panel Open, Press Q again Panel Close |
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| 13:41.12 | egod | Press Q Open work but Press Q close didnt |
| 13:41.31 | egod | with a simple boolean |
| 13:42.35 | Dustin | Any player press Q, if Boolean = True, Show Panel, set boolean = false, else Hide panel, set boolean = true |
| 13:43.13 | egod | ok master |
| 13:53.34 | Aelia | isnt that event supposed to be terrible online |
| 13:55.22 | Mexa_ | Hi Jademus! |
| 13:56.21 | Dustin | If you're using it for precise action it is |
| 13:56.29 | Aelia | guess i should probably do something... |
| 13:56.30 | Mexa_ | Aelia, might be less of importance for dialogs |
| 13:56.32 | Dustin | But opening and closing a dialog doesnt have to be precise |
| 13:57.02 | Aelia | it said "this action may cause a high amount of traffic if used online" |
| 13:57.03 | Mexa_ | Tho, it all will be based on whether the user will be bothered about it or not:P |
| 13:57.43 | egod | bah |
| 13:57.50 | Dustin | If everyone sat there and spammed Q as fast as they could it would maybe lag a bit |
| 13:57.52 | egod | it work |
| 13:58.02 | Dustin | For what he's doing here |
| 13:58.33 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 13:58.37 | Aelia | hey dustin |
| 13:58.39 | Dustin | Sup homie |
| 13:58.43 | JademusSreg | What's up? |
| 13:58.44 | Aelia | can you do me a favor |
| 13:58.57 | Dustin | Whatcha need |
| 13:59.03 | Mexa_ | coffee and breakfast! |
| 13:59.21 | Aelia | or actually, do you know if its possible to make things path over these canyons |
| 13:59.21 | Mexa_ | And then cleaning the room, since anticimex is coming tomorrow :/ |
| 13:59.46 | JademusSreg | Yessss, coffee. |
| 13:59.50 | JademusSreg | Got mine. |
| 13:59.59 | Mexa_ | :P |
| 14:00.08 | Dustin | Air |
| 14:00.15 | JademusSreg | I usually don't eat breakfast until about 4 hours after I awaken. |
| 14:00.33 | Mexa_ | ah |
| 14:00.35 | Dustin | What do you need to path over them |
| 14:00.47 | Mexa_ | takes me some time too, but well, I have been derping now for over an hour |
| 14:00.55 | Aelia | the ground mobs |
| 14:00.56 | Mexa_ | So I thought it would be the right time |
| 14:01.00 | Aelia | i dont want it to be a wall |
| 14:01.40 | Dustin | hmmm |
| 14:01.41 | Aelia | my question is |
| 14:01.53 | Mexa_ | Jademus, and also, I tend to try to drink the coffee at the same time around as I eat breakfast. It turns out to be better for my stomach:P |
| 14:01.59 | Aelia | can you turn them into lava rivers like the horizontal/vertical ones? |
| 14:02.33 | JademusSreg | I only get that acid feeling if I drink 2 cups of coffee before eating. =D |
| 14:03.13 | Dustin | ya |
| 14:03.44 | Dustin | I got work here in 30 min, but i get off at 4pm central |
| 14:04.07 | egod | you work at^ |
| 14:04.14 | egod | Mc Donald |
| 14:04.50 | Aelia | i see |
| 14:04.57 | Aelia | so i guess not till after |
| 14:05.01 | Dustin | Im working a 2nd job at pizza hut |
| 14:05.10 | Dustin | Servin, making them tips |
| 14:05.15 | egod | i love pizza hut |
| 14:05.35 | Dustin | 50% off is a pretty sweet perk |
| 14:05.44 | egod | there is no pizza hut where i live :( |
| 14:06.17 | Dustin | that sucks :( |
| 14:07.02 | egod | but a LOT of Subway, to much |
| 14:07.12 | egod | Subway every corner |
| 14:08.19 | egod | so you have 25 mins to send me your map so i can start my project |
| 14:08.52 | Dustin | Make your own system :P |
| 14:09.10 | egod | i wathed some other system but yours look better |
| 14:09.16 | egod | watched |
| 14:09.27 | egod | there few tutorial |
| 14:09.33 | egod | but i want yours |
| 14:14.30 | XenoX101 | damnit |
| 14:14.53 | XenoX101 | nvm |
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| 14:32.05 | goa | any one knows a good workaround against max command card buttons? |
| 14:32.39 | JademusSreg | Morph the unit. |
| 14:32.56 | goa | ohh |
| 14:32.59 | JademusSreg | Sub menus. |
| 14:33.05 | JademusSreg | Either one. |
| 14:33.07 | goa | ? |
| 14:33.17 | goa | instead submenus I morph the unit into another unit? |
| 14:33.26 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
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| 14:34.00 | goa | are you sure in it? |
| 14:34.09 | JademusSreg | But if you've already used all the submenus, you can either morph, or add more submenus via direct xml editing. |
| 14:34.33 | goa | because the units I morphed into it have the same bug even if dont have the max limit |
| 14:34.54 | goa | JademusSreg its not the submenus |
| 14:35.12 | goa | I have free submenu slot I just have to much ability on the unit |
| 14:35.13 | JademusSreg | I dunno what you're doing, just tossing out ideas. |
| 14:35.29 | JademusSreg | Ability limit != Command card button limit. |
| 14:35.48 | JademusSreg | Two different limits. |
| 14:35.51 | goa | well I dont know which I experience |
| 14:36.03 | JademusSreg | It's important to be precise. =D |
| 14:36.13 | goa | not easy to determine |
| 14:37.33 | goa | I tried to go around by adding upgrade ability to the units and adding the buttons with that and than use trigger to run the abilitiy when the button pressed. It allowed me to add more "abilities" but than the buttons disappeared... |
| 14:37.57 | goa | also submenu button disappeared too |
| 14:38.28 | JademusSreg | So it's a button limit, good to know. |
| 14:39.16 | JademusSreg | Unless you're encountering a common bug where if you add a button for an ability, remove the ability form the unit, a null button persists. |
| 14:39.27 | JademusSreg | *from |
| 14:40.25 | goa | ? |
| 14:40.51 | goa | that seems more realistic but I not really understand.D |
| 14:43.21 | JademusSreg | Sometimes, you may find you delete an ability first and try to remove the button second. This may result in a bug where a null button (a button without any information) persists on the unit. |
| 14:44.37 | goa | so I have to rewrite the command card or corret it on xml view? |
| 14:44.58 | JademusSreg | Go into the XML view and see if the command card has null buttons. |
| 14:44.59 | goa | it seems like that, its pretty long text.... |
| 14:47.54 | Ashamed | lawl |
| 14:48.19 | JademusSreg | Ash, ? |
| 14:48.25 | goa | only one, if it is this: <LayoutButtons index="0" Face="" Type="Undefined" AbilCmd="" Column="0"/> |
| 14:48.41 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's a null button. |
| 14:49.25 | goa | dam I should use xml view more often. much more clear some times than basic view |
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| 14:50.20 | Mexa_ | I wonder how Beier managed to get his galaxy++ map in a folder to become "reserved" in the editor. |
| 14:50.49 | JademusSreg | I wondered the same. |
| 14:51.10 | Ashamed | i really wanna get my rpg done but its just so much work :( |
| 14:51.15 | Mexa_ | could be there's a list somewhere |
| 14:51.22 | egod | what you working on, i love rpg |
| 14:51.22 | Mexa_ | or that it is binary |
| 14:54.30 | egod | Ashamed, what are you working on |
| 14:54.31 | Ashamed | egod some rpg about the evolution of man to robots |
| 14:54.33 | Ashamed | :) |
| 14:54.44 | egod | lol |
| 14:55.01 | Ashamed | where certain robots have souls ... but they require it from a human |
| 14:55.06 | egod | what type of rpg |
| 14:55.12 | egod | arpg, FF, Tactics |
| 14:56.01 | goa | JademusSreg fuck, it didnt helped:D |
| 14:56.09 | Ashamed | orpg |
| 14:56.16 | Ashamed | i have managed to scale units to a 0.02 range |
| 14:56.22 | Ashamed | and made the map very very big :) |
| 14:56.31 | Ashamed | about 1+ hour to just walk straight accross my map |
| 14:56.32 | egod | oh so you making that thing very very small unit |
| 14:56.36 | egod | i see |
| 14:56.39 | Ashamed | very very small |
| 14:56.46 | Ashamed | much smaller then i have seen anyone do |
| 14:56.51 | Ashamed | pretty much the smallest >< |
| 14:57.04 | Ashamed | so its hard run into alot of glitches |
| 14:57.06 | Ashamed | :( |
| 14:57.16 | egod | pretty cool |
| 14:57.17 | goa | Ashamed I have units with 0.05 scale.D |
| 14:57.31 | Ashamed | mine smaller :) |
| 14:58.17 | Ashamed | goa making your entire map like that? |
| 14:58.28 | goa | I couldnt get camera to zoom closer If I am right, thats why I didnt gone further |
| 14:58.34 | Ashamed | i got it |
| 14:58.45 | Ashamed | i got them looking like a normal third person |
| 14:58.51 | Ashamed | i even tested battles and everything |
| 14:58.51 | goa | isnt distance 10 the limit or something like that |
| 14:58.58 | Ashamed | no there are ways |
| 14:59.05 | Ashamed | you just have to manipulate other things |
| 14:59.21 | Ashamed | my only camera issue as of now is height changes |
| 14:59.25 | Ashamed | which i will have worked out |
| 14:59.43 | Ashamed | and no ribbons :( |
| 14:59.45 | Ashamed | but i got rid of them already |
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| 15:00.07 | goa | whats your angle of attack? |
| 15:00.17 | Ashamed | i dont know off the top of my head |
| 15:00.22 | Ashamed | i am at work currently |
| 15:00.34 | goa | anyway, the current size is good for me. |
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| 15:07.44 | Ashamed | what size you at? |
| 15:07.52 | Ashamed | 0.5? or 0.05?? |
| 15:08.55 | goa | 0.05 |
| 15:09.03 | Ashamed | you doing your entire map? |
| 15:09.04 | goa | around that |
| 15:09.08 | goa | yes |
| 15:09.13 | goa | around 0.1 |
| 15:09.14 | Ashamed | Goa i was the same at fist |
| 15:09.23 | Ashamed | i was like there is no way i am doing this less tehn 0.5 |
| 15:09.28 | Ashamed | but i just kept messing with it |
| 15:09.37 | Ashamed | something you wil need tow atch out for is ribbons |
| 15:09.42 | Ashamed | if you have not figured that out yet |
| 15:09.54 | goa | well this size engouh for me, its an rts map anyway |
| 15:10.14 | Ashamed | but at 0.05 you wont be able to us ribbons still |
| 15:10.19 | Ashamed | use8 |
| 15:10.21 | Ashamed | use* |
| 15:10.31 | goa | I plan to make rpg which will have its areas generated (will be placed in space to make it easy.D) |
| 15:10.50 | Ashamed | why ?? if you have so much space just make it all ;) |
| 15:10.52 | Ashamed | that is what i am doing |
| 15:11.08 | Ashamed | i am going to have the houses all generated though |
| 15:11.13 | goa | I want to make it to have infinite space:D |
| 15:11.21 | Ashamed | then no reason to do smaller scale |
| 15:11.36 | Ashamed | infinite space = the same on 0.05 and 1.0 |
| 15:12.08 | goa | not really |
| 15:12.21 | Ashamed | yes really |
| 15:12.44 | Ashamed | if its randomly generated then you can randomley generate it on any scale |
| 15:12.52 | goa | it will be really infinite, there wont be pre made spaces, all areas will base on its location and made by an algorithm... |
| 15:12.55 | Ashamed | and still generate the same amount of material |
| 15:13.08 | Ashamed | so kinda like diablo? |
| 15:13.49 | goa | not really. it wont be random, each place will look the same each game. |
| 15:14.11 | Ashamed | then why does it need to generate anything? |
| 15:14.18 | Ashamed | why not just create the areas on your map? |
| 15:14.34 | Ashamed | i am having a hard time understanding what you are trying to do >< |
| 15:14.35 | egod | you can have the same place area but with tons of random element in |
| 15:14.42 | egod | like monster, doodas, etc |
| 15:14.49 | Ashamed | ok so like doodads |
| 15:14.49 | goa | well you guys dont get it.D |
| 15:15.02 | Ashamed | well thats any open rpg |
| 15:15.03 | Ashamed | >< |
| 15:15.17 | Ashamed | goa explain it so we get it! |
| 15:15.18 | Mexa_ | By the way, keep in mind that scaling down things will add lag to the map, if you have several scaled objects |
| 15:15.25 | Ashamed | no mexa |
| 15:15.31 | Ashamed | oh yeah |
| 15:15.35 | Ashamed | you gotta create them |
| 15:15.37 | Ashamed | i created a zone system |
| 15:15.43 | Ashamed | that detects players in certain zones |
| 15:15.43 | Mexa_ | Not about creating them |
| 15:15.52 | Ashamed | and it creates units that way |
| 15:15.56 | Ashamed | so if noone is in zone |
| 15:15.58 | Ashamed | then no units |
| 15:16.02 | Mexa_ | it's called frustrum culling, Ashamed. |
| 15:16.10 | Ashamed | Mexa its called me owning you |
| 15:16.13 | Ashamed | ;) |
| 15:16.32 | Mexa_ | Or vice versa. You have no knowledge about 3d programming whatsoever. |
| 15:16.33 | Ashamed | mexa the cool thing about the scaling is i have made it so it runs nicer then sc2 does in normal scale |
| 15:16.51 | goa | it will have solar systems, each solar system will be generated according its position (and some "premade" randomness), you can travel between solar systems by hyperjump so I have to generate only the solar system... |
| 15:17.37 | goa | the further you get from your starting point the harder will be the solar system... so it wont be so hard to make it.D |
| 15:20.14 | goa | I suck at programming so its hard to explain:D |
| 15:22.16 | Mexa_ | Ashamed, the frustrum culling is also why fps or tps-like games fail in sc2 |
| 15:22.33 | Mexa_ | The engine is not built to optimize such cameras. |
| 15:25.45 | Ashamed | mexa i got it working |
| 15:25.57 | Ashamed | and my fps in normal sc2 is about 40-60 |
| 15:26.00 | Ashamed | in my map its 120-150 |
| 15:26.10 | Ashamed | but i am not rendering nearly a fraction of the map |
| 15:26.12 | Ashamed | that is why |
| 15:26.50 | egod | there are no good rpg on sc2 atm |
| 15:27.23 | goa | egod thats why I want to make a rpg too |
| 15:27.38 | egod | rpg take times |
| 15:27.43 | egod | so much thing |
| 15:29.34 | Ashamed | egod thats the issue |
| 15:29.36 | Ashamed | just too much time |
| 15:29.50 | Ashamed | goa what did you do about the terrain in your map? |
| 15:29.54 | Ashamed | high res ? |
| 15:30.27 | goa | no terrain, its in the space.D |
| 15:30.50 | Ashamed | oh no terrain at all |
| 15:30.52 | goa | the only problem is that the fog of was is sightly displaced... |
| 15:31.00 | goa | yeah no terrain |
| 15:31.02 | Ashamed | oh you so could make it without down scaling >< |
| 15:31.35 | goa | ? |
| 15:32.16 | goa | http://www.sc2mapster.com/thumbman/images/31/504/600x453/Screenshot2011-05-01_16_51_47.jpg.-m1.png |
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| 15:42.09 | goa | I am starting to really hate the editor, I removed 3 ability and 3 buttons and the bug still appears |
| 15:49.04 | Ashamed | you broked it |
| 15:49.45 | goa | it always happens with data editor, it hates me, probably because I prefer triggers instead.D |
| 15:51.13 | egod | Ashamed you dont wanna use 2D sprite in your RPG^ |
| 15:51.26 | goa | fuck, it has to be the abilities, I removed 3 but its still bugy arghfssds |
| 15:51.38 | Ashamed | egod it may be a possability if i can't use sc2 |
| 15:51.43 | Ashamed | but as of now i am not having issues |
| 15:51.54 | egod | k |
| 15:53.11 | Ashamed | i might make sprites of sc2 terrain and make them high res |
| 15:53.26 | Ashamed | and then just use sprites i dunno quite yet how i am going to do it |
| 15:53.31 | Ashamed | how is zelda going? |
| 15:54.01 | egod | working on UI |
| 15:54.06 | egod | polishing 6xplayers at same time |
| 15:54.11 | egod | XD |
| 15:55.58 | Aelia | did you write your complain post about why your map should be unbanned yet? |
| 15:56.40 | egod | if they ban me, will release the map as Public |
| 15:57.23 | egod | so they gonna ban everyone |
| 15:57.49 | goa | no one will publish it.( |
| 15:57.59 | egod | errrr, i dont think lol |
| 15:58.02 | goa | you should really just sightly change its name |
| 15:58.05 | goa | and than its ok.D |
| 15:58.11 | Aelia | lol |
| 15:58.12 | Aelia | goa |
| 15:58.18 | egod | well lol |
| 15:58.29 | Aelia | you do realize hes using all the graphics ripped straight from the original game |
| 15:58.30 | egod | its not just about name actuelly |
| 15:58.33 | egod | HAHA |
| 15:58.35 | Aelia | a simple name change isnt gonna save him |
| 15:59.01 | Aelia | if you forge a mona lisa |
| 15:59.09 | Aelia | and someone calls you out |
| 15:59.19 | Aelia | and you say "it isnt, its actually the jane sue" |
| 15:59.26 | Aelia | you still forged a mona lisa |
| 15:59.27 | Aelia | :p |
| 15:59.37 | goa | Aelia it would save him until the map gets popular and than they would think twice about taking down or not |
| 15:59.45 | Aelia | no they wouldnt |
| 15:59.59 | egod | thing is, if they ban, they made money |
| 16:00.03 | egod | rebuy SC2 |
| 16:00.10 | egod | or stop playing |
| 16:00.16 | Ashamed | i see what goa is saying and egod i think its a good idea... it may keep your map unbanned for longer |
| 16:00.20 | egod | its a risk |
| 16:00.24 | egod | whatever |
| 16:00.29 | Aelia | honestly |
| 16:00.38 | Aelia | the second any one at blizzard actually looks at the map |
| 16:00.40 | Aelia | youre fucked |
| 16:00.52 | Ashamed | yeah but if we keep it a pce of shit map |
| 16:00.54 | Ashamed | -.- then you may get lucky |
| 16:00.58 | Aelia | lawl |
| 16:00.59 | Ashamed | so it never becomes popular lol |
| 16:01.22 | Ashamed | like if you only go public to sc2 mapster |
| 16:01.26 | Ashamed | where only we know about it |
| 16:01.30 | Ashamed | it make stay for a while who knows |
| 16:01.32 | Ashamed | may* |
| 16:01.49 | Ashamed | but then agian i bet blizzard has spies all over this place |
| 16:01.56 | goa | we need a trigger which detects if admins plays with the map:D |
| 16:01.58 | Ashamed | I KNOW YOU ARE WATCHING ME |
| 16:02.16 | goa | isnt their id different?:D |
| 16:02.22 | Ashamed | goa find all the admins and create a special trigger for them >< that changes the map completly lol |
| 16:02.28 | egod | meh |
| 16:06.32 | egod | its ripped from original zelda but it look so nice in the editor, you guys have no idea |
| 16:07.11 | egod | 3D + 2D is win |
| 16:10.18 | Ashamed | egod it gives it an artistic look for sure\ |
| 16:10.21 | JademusSreg | But IP wanking isn't. |
| 16:10.32 | Ashamed | i rember one-two was experimenting with sprites durring beta |
| 16:10.38 | Ashamed | and it looked really nice |
| 16:11.28 | egod | i will never do any map in full 3D |
| 16:12.27 | egod | i got some e-mail about Raganarok Online, i never tryed this game |
| 16:12.34 | egod | some people want me to remake that game |
| 16:12.37 | egod | i know its in 2D |
| 16:12.41 | egod | but i never played |
| 16:15.01 | Aelia | lol |
| 16:15.06 | Aelia | dont |
| 16:15.13 | Aelia | RO is evil |
| 16:15.20 | egod | will not, i never tryed |
| 16:19.57 | Aelia | its an mmo |
| 16:20.01 | Aelia | thats 150% grind |
| 16:20.12 | Aelia | maybe more |
| 16:20.52 | egod | ah |
| 16:21.03 | egod | idk |
| 16:21.08 | egod | i got some idea for my zelda |
| 16:21.18 | egod | i wanna make a level with very very hard puzzle |
| 16:21.36 | egod | would be insane |
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| 16:23.50 | Aelia | sounds dumb |
| 16:23.57 | Aelia | what happens after you clear it once? |
| 16:24.09 | egod | idk, lol |
| 16:24.15 | Aelia | what happens if one person decides to troll and not cooperate |
| 16:24.38 | egod | you kick him from the group |
| 16:24.53 | egod | i use /invite panel |
| 16:25.03 | egod | if you want solo, you solo, if you want help, you invite |
| 16:25.18 | Mexa_ | " <egod> its ripped from original zelda but it look so nice in the editor, you guys have no idea" -And it looks terrible in the game. |
| 16:25.45 | Mexa_ | derpderp.. |
| 16:25.51 | egod | XD |
| 16:26.41 | Mexa_ | The fact that you still have a 2d map with static shadows, and then 3d bushes and shizzle, which all have a different shadow and angle, it doesn't look appropriate at all. |
| 16:27.00 | Mexa_ | Not mentioning how the diablo 2 sounds you added in there doesn't fit at all. |
| 16:27.42 | egod | lol you didnt like the sound^ |
| 16:28.22 | Mexa_ | It doesn't fit |
| 16:28.35 | egod | alright i can change it |
| 16:28.57 | Mexa_ | Never mind |
| 16:29.07 | egod | why |
| 16:29.21 | Mexa_ | No reason. |
| 16:29.29 | egod | ahh come on |
| 16:29.45 | Vailreth | bother |
| 16:29.51 | Vailreth | i mean Hello |
| 16:31.53 | Ashamed | egod i think you are a good map maker... but i must say something i have realized with you.. is you have a hard time fitting everything together |
| 16:32.21 | Ashamed | its the samething with your diablo map.. it looked great, very well put together. But you just had things that didnt fit |
| 16:32.41 | Aelia | and he gave up because he refused to let anyone see it |
| 16:32.50 | Aelia | so they could tell him how many triggers he wasted |
| 16:32.52 | egod | here we go again |
| 16:32.53 | Aelia | :p |
| 16:33.00 | Ashamed | egod its true listen to us |
| 16:33.04 | Ashamed | like you know your shit its obv |
| 16:33.13 | Aelia | im not going to let you forget it |
| 16:33.19 | egod | haha |
| 16:33.20 | Ashamed | but you have to make shit merge together |
| 16:33.42 | Aelia | zzz |
| 16:33.51 | Aelia | im ripping my map apart |
| 16:34.08 | Vailreth | why? |
| 16:34.15 | egod | the Diablo map was more a exploration of the sc2 editor, im using all i learned in my other zelda map, fixing stuff, its fresh and polish |
| 16:34.17 | Aelia | i want to |
| 16:34.25 | Ashamed | its just what i have noticed about you egod.. but you have great potential more the most map makers i see |
| 16:34.40 | Vailreth | ouch |
| 16:34.42 | JademusSreg | "fresh" is questionable. |
| 16:34.51 | egod | yeah well |
| 16:35.01 | egod | im working on it |
| 16:35.05 | Aelia | if by fresh you mean 1992 fresh |
| 16:35.06 | Aelia | :P |
| 16:35.13 | Ashamed | egod thats fine with the diablo map i have soo many concept maps i will never finish |
| 16:35.13 | Ashamed | but learn from it :) |
| 16:35.15 | egod | 90s games are the best |
| 16:35.19 | Aelia | yeah |
| 16:35.22 | Aelia | but they arent fresh |
| 16:35.23 | Aelia | :p |
| 16:36.42 | Ashamed | because right now i think i see the same issue in your zelda map as in the diablow map. and its not a bad issue... its nothing to do with your coding |
| 16:36.47 | Ashamed | its just the way you design |
| 16:36.52 | Ashamed | its almost like you dont care |
| 16:37.06 | Ashamed | well yeah i know this wont fit.. but it doesn't matter because my triggers work |
| 16:37.12 | Ashamed | but it just doesn't work like that >< |
| 16:37.22 | egod | nah i understand Mexa_ |
| 16:37.43 | JademusSreg | Poor design is far worse than poor implementation; a poor implementation can be improved even after a game is released. Poor design ruins a game in totality. |
| 16:38.02 | Ashamed | exactly |
| 16:38.15 | Ashamed | people are going to be turned off no matter how fucking good it is |
| 16:38.24 | Ashamed | just becuase it doesn't look good.. so they wont give it the time |
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| 16:43.40 | Aelia | eh |
| 16:43.50 | Aelia | i feel like egod never really has a "game " in mind |
| 16:43.56 | Aelia | its more like a tech demo |
| 16:44.00 | Aelia | slash fucking around map |
| 16:44.07 | egod | im like Bounty, i never finish something |
| 16:44.09 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 16:44.11 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 16:44.15 | Ashamed | its another bounty |
| 16:44.17 | Ashamed | ahhhhhh fuck |
| 16:44.23 | Aelia | not really anything to be proud of you know |
| 16:44.36 | Ashamed | Egod i am the same way... i just dont show anyone my maps until i know for sure i am going to continue to work on it |
| 16:45.05 | Ashamed | like i have soo many concepts that i am pretty sure would make people go yeah this is pretty cool |
| 16:45.15 | Ashamed | but i also know 50-75% of them wont ever be finished |
| 16:45.22 | Ashamed | so why show people |
| 16:45.23 | Ashamed | >< |
| 16:45.33 | Aelia | attention whoring |
| 16:45.38 | A1win | how are the story character animations controlled in the editor? |
| 16:45.39 | Ashamed | exactly |
| 16:45.48 | Ashamed | you lil whore |
| 16:45.49 | Ashamed | you need the attention |
| 16:45.50 | Ashamed | ;) |
| 16:46.00 | Ashamed | bounty is worse though |
| 16:46.25 | egod | its a good way actuelly to your map be popular day 1 |
| 16:46.26 | Ashamed | I dont know how many threads i have read that said " Last map" from bounty |
| 16:46.45 | Ashamed | egod it is ;0 but you just need to make sure you are going to finish it before releasing it lol |
| 16:47.13 | egod | it depend of a lot of thing |
| 16:47.40 | Aelia | egod: to be honest |
| 16:47.53 | Aelia | a good map is going to be popular whether you advertise or not |
| 16:48.12 | Aelia | hype only helps if you live up to it |
| 16:48.31 | Aelia | i find it far better to keep expectations low and then blow them away :p |
| 16:48.44 | egod | you know |
| 16:49.08 | egod | im the only one with a blue post in battle.net forum with Diablo map |
| 16:49.13 | Aelia | and? |
| 16:49.25 | JademusSreg | Big fish. |
| 16:49.27 | Aelia | a map you never released |
| 16:49.33 | A1win | oh, they are external scenes that are played :| |
| 16:49.38 | Aelia | for a stupid reason too |
| 16:50.03 | egod | its released, but its so uncompleted |
| 16:50.06 | Aelia | ... |
| 16:50.30 | Ashamed | egod i would finish diablo ... change the story > game so it fits in the theme you made ( diablow does not ) |
| 16:50.41 | Ashamed | and then it will be great |
| 16:50.50 | Aelia | anyhow |
| 16:51.20 | egod | you not gonna figure it out all the triggers and stuff |
| 16:51.29 | Aelia | to do that hed have to admit that maybe his code isnt all that grea |
| 16:51.29 | Aelia | t |
| 16:51.33 | Aelia | yeah |
| 16:51.45 | Aelia | he just chants over and over "youll never understand it" |
| 16:51.50 | Aelia | and never lets anyone try |
| 16:51.55 | Aelia | *boggle* |
| 16:52.02 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a mystic. |
| 16:52.03 | Ashamed | i dont need to understand it... you do |
| 16:52.19 | Aelia | i would be shocked if it were worse than any of my top 5 bad codes |
| 16:52.24 | Ashamed | all i am saying is the map is great... but i would make my own custom story and cut out diablo |
| 16:52.52 | egod | i dont think the map is great personnaly lol |
| 16:53.11 | Ashamed | it looked like everything was working whne i saw that video |
| 16:53.13 | Ashamed | but that was a while back |
| 16:53.48 | egod | Script to large stopped me lot of time, its probably why i stopped and give up |
| 16:54.16 | JademusSreg | Curious how you hit the limit. |
| 16:54.44 | Mexa_ | Indeed. And what if your Zelda map hits the limit:P Will you take advices then? |
| 16:54.47 | egod | The Ladder board and Skillz |
| 16:54.54 | egod | zelda will not |
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| 16:55.02 | egod | cause i removed Skillz and Laddeboard :D |
| 16:55.04 | Ashamed | its hard making big maps |
| 16:55.08 | Ashamed | you have to loop everything |
| 16:55.19 | Mexa_ | Mafia hit the limit too, if I recall it |
| 16:55.35 | Mexa_ | And I can't imagine Mafia being all that advanced |
| 16:55.46 | egod | Save/Load take a lot of execution |
| 16:55.57 | Ashamed | ima try a integer system where certain integers are design to do certain things |
| 16:56.00 | Aelia | JademusSreg: i think a lot of people are |
| 16:56.16 | Ashamed | and then i will just set the game to the interger i need, and just cycle the triggers |
| 16:56.21 | Aelia | no one can imagine how he could possibly have 16000 triggers or whatever ludicrious number he showed off |
| 16:56.28 | Mexa_ | wtf? |
| 16:56.33 | Aelia | but he wont let anyone look at it because "you couldnt possibly understand" |
| 16:56.51 | Aelia | if he wants to bury the map that badly, im not gonna stop him |
| 16:57.24 | egod | what you gonna do |
| 16:57.24 | Mexa_ | Gosh |
| 16:57.30 | Aelia | mafia hit the limit because of the sheer amount of code |
| 16:57.47 | Mexa_ | There's ways to optimize code |
| 16:58.04 | Mexa_ | And for a starter, inexperienced gui triggering is going to make it far worse |
| 16:58.14 | Aelia | egod: if someone could eliminate 90% of your triggers without sacrificing anything, would you go back to working on it? |
| 16:58.26 | egod | its not possible |
| 16:58.32 | JademusSreg | DR may have some odd approaches, but he is a technically competent individual. |
| 16:58.32 | Aelia | say it were |
| 16:58.43 | Ashamed | egod it is |
| 16:58.46 | Ashamed | you can cycle shit |
| 16:58.56 | Aelia | just go along with this egod |
| 16:58.59 | Ashamed | there are ways to have one trigger run muitiple shit |
| 16:59.00 | Aelia | say it were possible |
| 16:59.07 | Aelia | to eliminate 90% of your triggers |
| 16:59.11 | Ashamed | just by changing 1 integer or w/e |
| 16:59.11 | Aelia | wihtout changing anything else |
| 16:59.16 | Mexa_ | Sure Jademus, but I like how everyone complains they hit the execution limit or memory limit or whatever, when it's all their own fault. |
| 16:59.33 | egod | lol |
| 16:59.33 | Aelia | honestly, mafia is the only one id believe legitimately hit the limit |
| 16:59.41 | Aelia | dont laugh it off |
| 16:59.45 | Aelia | answer my question |
| 16:59.45 | JademusSreg | Yes, haha. I'm curious how many custom actions such people use. |
| 16:59.58 | Aelia | or dont |
| 17:00.04 | Aelia | i dont give a crap, honestly |
| 17:00.13 | Mexa_ | Them skiddies ;D |
| 17:00.28 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:00.30 | Aelia | im sure your "map" is too "complex" for any "lesser mortals" to comprehend |
| 17:00.39 | Aelia | and its 100% optimized to the max |
| 17:00.57 | Aelia | goddamn blizzard for restricting your sheer genius |
| 17:01.24 | Aelia | goes back to deleting shit out of gem td |
| 17:01.34 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 17:01.35 | Aelia | 50% triggers gone |
| 17:02.24 | egod | Custom UI and Smart Click disable is the main reason of Script to Large, it demand to trigger everything |
| 17:02.30 | egod | mafia have both |
| 17:02.36 | egod | like i |
| 17:02.38 | JademusSreg | Mexa, I'm wondering, perhaps you know the answer; the script limit, can it be mitigated through includes? I'ven ot bothered to test this, but have wondered. |
| 17:02.39 | Aelia | ... |
| 17:02.51 | Aelia | JademusSreg: apparently it can |
| 17:03.00 | Aelia | egod: im gonna have to say.... nope |
| 17:03.24 | Aelia | my guess is the fact that he has 32 different roles all with their own special conditions and powers |
| 17:03.31 | Aelia | the game is deceptively complex |
| 17:05.06 | egod | yeah and for my side, its : INventory/Monster/Drop/MF/Collision/6xHero/SaveLoad/LAdderB/Potion/LIfeMana/Partysystem/etc etc etc etc |
| 17:05.45 | egod | with ton of math formula |
| 17:05.59 | egod | for Defense Rating, atack damage etc |
| 17:06.06 | egod | so much thing |
| 17:06.35 | Aelia | defense rating should be dealt with in data |
| 17:06.42 | Aelia | why are you triggering it |
| 17:06.53 | Aelia | why are you triggering collisions? |
| 17:06.56 | egod | cause the data suck |
| 17:06.57 | Aelia | inventory? |
| 17:07.03 | Aelia | drops? |
| 17:07.06 | egod | yeah |
| 17:07.12 | egod | custom UI |
| 17:07.14 | Aelia | all that shit is built in |
| 17:07.17 | Mexa_ | Jademus, I haven't looked into it |
| 17:07.24 | Aelia | so |
| 17:07.29 | Aelia | what youre saying is |
| 17:07.44 | Mexa_ | But I guess Aelia tried, if he managed to get it to work. |
| 17:08.07 | Aelia | youre using 16000 triggers because youre recreating all the ingame systems becuase you arbitrarily decided they "suck" |
| 17:08.17 | egod | everything is build in, but with a custom UI and smart clikc, you ahve to do everything yoursleft |
| 17:08.25 | egod | grab a item |
| 17:08.27 | egod | dropa itme |
| 17:08.29 | egod | move a item |
| 17:08.31 | egod | all trigger |
| 17:08.50 | egod | item effect all trigger |
| 17:08.50 | Aelia | and i imagine theres probably a seperate trigger for each slot to each other slot? |
| 17:09.00 | Aelia | ok |
| 17:09.01 | Aelia | im done |
| 17:09.05 | Aelia | ive heard enough |
| 17:09.08 | egod | haha |
| 17:09.13 | egod | you have no idea |
| 17:09.19 | Aelia | you remember when i said i wanted to take a look? |
| 17:09.19 | Mexa_ | Jademus, I wonder if it's possible to override natives.galaxy to only let it declare what you are using in the map |
| 17:09.22 | Aelia | forget tht |
| 17:09.29 | JademusSreg | I'm curious, because either the includes count toward the limit, which means custom natives files could be used. |
| 17:09.30 | Mexa_ | That should perhaps ease loading time. |
| 17:09.50 | JademusSreg | Mexa, you don't even need to override. Just include a custom definition for the natives. |
| 17:09.58 | JademusSreg | Either way, same effect. |
| 17:10.03 | Mexa_ | oh? |
| 17:10.20 | Mexa_ | I was more thinking to prevent it to load the other natives. |
| 17:10.22 | JademusSreg | Firstl ine of the mapscript is include "TrioggerLibs/natives" |
| 17:10.33 | JademusSreg | *TriggerLibs |
| 17:11.06 | JademusSreg | If you have your own file defining the natives, but only those you use, you can include that instead. |
| 17:11.16 | Mexa_ | Yes, but overriding the native files could also give you more control over what the native file depends on |
| 17:11.28 | JademusSreg | include "Scripts/FuckYouLimit" |
| 17:11.33 | Mexa_ | hmm |
| 17:11.36 | Mexa_ | oh I see |
| 17:11.49 | JademusSreg | Either way, same effect. |
| 17:11.57 | JademusSreg | Just needs to be tested. |
| 17:11.59 | Mexa_ | Unless the natives.galaxy are loaded in anyway |
| 17:12.13 | Mexa_ | I recall some galaxy files being loaded even though you never use them |
| 17:12.14 | JademusSreg | That would be silly, but possible I suppose. |
| 17:12.36 | Mexa_ | Oh, I recall what |
| 17:13.08 | Mexa_ | An empty map, with no extra dependencies, no includes, will still load some liberty triggers |
| 17:13.15 | Mexa_ | which is weird |
| 17:13.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:13.27 | JademusSreg | Of that I am aware. It is annoying as fuck. |
| 17:13.32 | Mexa_ | mm |
| 17:13.43 | Mexa_ | And if those triggers require natives.galaxy |
| 17:13.54 | Mexa_ | then that file will be loaded too, implicitly |
| 17:14.04 | Mexa_ | (I imagine) |
| 17:14.32 | Mexa_ | But yeah, would be something to test, the natives |
| 17:15.08 | Mexa_ | sed |
| 17:15.10 | Mexa_ | *sec |
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| 17:35.52 | Ashamed | working for lunch -.- ... they told me right when i was suppose to go |
| 17:35.55 | Ashamed | no nap time :( |
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| 17:49.48 | Mexa | bah... I found the last pair of socks to put in the laundry... what a pity the washingmachine already started.. |
| 17:50.09 | Vailreth | indeed |
| 17:51.03 | Mexa | I like that now when I clean my room, I find a bunch of postit papers areound the floor with a bunch of cdkeys on:P |
| 17:51.52 | Vailreth | hah |
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| 18:12.47 | Ashamed | that new protoss unit is soooo a corsair |
| 18:19.47 | Ashamed | that is right i went there |
| 18:23.25 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:23.50 | JademusSreg | Corair would be redundant with the Phoenix. |
| 18:24.09 | JademusSreg | *Corsair |
| 18:28.02 | Ashamed | ITS THE CORSAIR |
| 18:28.03 | Ashamed | or it works like the corsair |
| 18:28.14 | Ashamed | mby its a corsair that hits air / and ground |
| 18:29.11 | Ashamed | i am always right |
| 18:29.11 | Ashamed | Jade you dont aurgue with me |
| 18:29.40 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:30.20 | Ashamed | you can't tell me it dont look identical to it |
| 18:30.24 | Ashamed | which may be why they did it >< |
| 18:31.44 | JademusSreg | For what does Protoss even need a new air unit? |
| 18:32.16 | JademusSreg | Maybe it will be an air Reaver. |
| 18:42.44 | Mexa | When is Blizzcon btw? |
| 18:46.38 | MaxMode | http://tinyurl.com/3owsj4v |
| 18:49.03 | Vailreth | funny |
| 18:49.36 | egod | lol |
| 18:51.45 | Vailreth | i need ability ideas |
| 18:52.40 | Mexa | MaxMode, the reason for asking was because I wasn't next to the computer... I'm cleaning my room. |
| 18:52.49 | Mexa | I could just as well let you do the job for me |
| 18:54.05 | Vailreth | i wonder if its some darktempler styled unit |
| 18:56.15 | Mexa | MaxMode, also funny that you took your time to lmgtfy and then paste it in a tinyurl, all instead of saying that it is this weekend... |
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| 18:58.46 | Frostwind | hi |
| 18:58.48 | Frostwind | anyone wanna start a rpg project with me? |
| 18:59.00 | egod | tell us more |
| 19:00.38 | Frostwind | fantasy based |
| 19:00.58 | Frostwind | that's all the info until someone starts one with me |
| 19:01.36 | egod | final fantasy based^ |
| 19:03.11 | Frostwind | yea |
| 19:03.36 | egod | well, there already someone on this |
| 19:03.42 | egod | and hes doing good |
| 19:03.57 | Frostwind | fantasy can be anything |
| 19:04.24 | Frostwind | so it wouldn't be the same as another fantasy rpg project |
| 19:07.46 | Ashamed | maxmode that let me google it for you is awesome |
| 19:08.27 | Mexa | \care, I'll be leaving you now you so can devour that stupidity:P |
| 19:08.35 | Ashamed | mexa just pissed |
| 19:08.37 | JademusSreg | Don't you need a modeler if you're doing a fantasy setting? |
| 19:08.39 | Ashamed | that you noob trolled him |
| 19:08.47 | Mexa | meh |
| 19:08.54 | Mexa | I don't get pissed by trolls |
| 19:09.03 | Mexa | They made their decision |
| 19:09.19 | Mexa | I No matter how dumb it is. |
| 19:09.23 | Mexa | -I |
| 19:09.58 | Frostwind | Looks like no one wants to start a rpg project with me |
| 19:10.15 | Mexa | Create a workplace on the forums, and ask there |
| 19:10.22 | Mexa | Or in the project development forum, perhaps. |
| 19:10.39 | Ashamed | mexa you can't tell me you didnt laugh at that? |
| 19:10.45 | Mexa | Ashamed, also, how is noob trolling any impressive? |
| 19:10.55 | Mexa | Was I trolled by a noob? |
| 19:11.13 | JademusSreg | No idea what you're discussing. |
| 19:11.33 | Mexa | or was the lmgtfy wrapped in a tinyurl, a nooby way of trolling? |
| 19:11.53 | Mexa | Jademus, I'm only questioning what Ashamed is meaning with his statement |
| 19:12.04 | Mexa | To make a huge deal out of it |
| 19:12.07 | Mexa | derpderp |
| 19:12.15 | Frostwind | Why would I create a project on the site when I don't even have someone helping with the project yet in order to form an idea for the project |
| 19:13.01 | JademusSreg | You have a modeler for custom assets? What games inspire the mechanics? |
| 19:13.16 | Frostwind | models would come later |
| 19:13.47 | JademusSreg | Preferably before it is released. |
| 19:14.03 | Frostwind | duh |
| 19:14.20 | Frostwind | can't start work on the project without someone to help |
| 19:14.36 | Ashamed | jade i was just talking about that let me google that for you link |
| 19:14.40 | Ashamed | just thought it was funny ;) |
| 19:14.46 | JademusSreg | You say that, but most "fantasy" setting maps just rename marine as archer and such bullshit, as though that were of sufficient quality for release. |
| 19:15.14 | Frostwind | not to me |
| 19:15.18 | Mexa | Ashamed, for the next time, ignorance is bliss:P |
| 19:15.38 | Mexa | *a |
| 19:15.57 | Frostwind | Looks like I won't be starting a rpg project since no one wants to |
| 19:16.22 | JademusSreg | Making an actual RPG game, as opposed to a map, might be more rewarding. |
| 19:19.24 | Frostwind | JademusSreg: thats what I'm doing. |
| 19:20.16 | JademusSreg | Doing it in C++, C#, Java, Flash, Unity, UDK, Source, CryTek? |
| 19:20.24 | Frostwind | SC2 |
| 19:20.40 | JademusSreg | So it's a map then. |
| 19:20.49 | Frostwind | no |
| 19:21.31 | Vailreth | its either a map or a mod with multiple maps but its still in side SC2 |
| 19:21.52 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMMHu8lnepM D: |
| 19:21.59 | Vailreth | if you really want to make an RPG i would suggest looking up RPGMaker for pc from Enterbrain |
| 19:22.08 | JademusSreg | If it's on SC2, it's a map. Whether plural, whether it uses mods, it's still a map, because that's what the players play. |
| 19:22.33 | Frostwind | I said its SC2 |
| 19:22.52 | Ashamed | vailreth i wouldn't |
| 19:22.57 | Ashamed | the sc2 engine is perfect for rpg making |
| 19:23.02 | Ashamed | you just gotta do it right >< |
| 19:23.12 | Frostwind | Looks like I won't be starting a rpg project since no one wants to |
| 19:23.23 | Vailreth | yeah if you want Blizz to own every thing |
| 19:23.32 | Ashamed | rpgmaker is not going to make you shit vail |
| 19:23.35 | Ashamed | so it dont matter |
| 19:23.45 | Ashamed | no one is going to pay for a game created in rpgmaker |
| 19:23.46 | JademusSreg | Haha, it is hardly perfect for RPGs. |
| 19:24.05 | Ashamed | if you want to have it your own work just design your own game with an actual engine |
| 19:24.05 | JademusSreg | Doesn't even natively support classes. |
| 19:24.06 | Ashamed | like unreal |
| 19:24.18 | Ashamed | Jade but you can make it do all that |
| 19:24.25 | Vailreth | likely not, i agree about the RPGMAKER games there |
| 19:25.24 | Ashamed | sc2 is better for rpgs then most of the shit people are making |
| 19:25.34 | Ashamed | only think i would say is an issue is size |
| 19:25.54 | Ashamed | thing* |
| 19:26.11 | JademusSreg | I can do lots of shit, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. SC2 is bad news for big ideas. |
| 19:26.49 | JademusSreg | It's fine for minigames, when you want a diversion, but big projects are doomed to disappoint, I opine. |
| 19:28.49 | Ashamed | Jade you are wrong -.-... you will see |
| 19:28.59 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:29.16 | Frostwind | well, so much for starting a rpg project |
| 19:29.18 | JademusSreg | That's a poor argument. |
| 19:29.18 | Ashamed | you answered your own question... "Big Projects" .... Of course it looks like its bad now.. but thats because there has not been enough time |
| 19:29.33 | Aelia | the problem is |
| 19:29.45 | Ashamed | that trailer to starcraft universe looks amazing |
| 19:29.51 | Aelia | sc2 leaves so much of the work to the map author |
| 19:30.07 | Aelia | that to make any kind of rpg like map is such a massive undertaking that no one coudl singlehandedly do it |
| 19:30.09 | egod | nah sc universe look shit |
| 19:30.18 | Aelia | in any reasonable amount of time |
| 19:30.36 | Aelia | i mean, youd have to spend 6-9 months full time working on a map to have anything good to show |
| 19:31.33 | Ashamed | egod sc universe does not look like shit |
| 19:31.39 | Ashamed | whats shit about it? |
| 19:31.46 | Aelia | the sheer amount of time it takes to make anything in the editor, is just staggering |
| 19:32.01 | Ashamed | Aelia go make your own game and tell me how much time it takes |
| 19:32.03 | Ashamed | :) |
| 19:32.06 | JademusSreg | 1) It's an issue of scale. SC2 is small, limited, the engine whines and wiggles when doing anything besides melee. 2) No viable monetization model. While bnet makes community-generated content distribution easy, I don't see that translating into monies for the devs or for blizzard. It aspires to be an app store, and it will not succeed. 3) No server side data storage functionality. |
| 19:32.16 | Aelia | Ashamed: about 200-250 hours, for gem td |
| 19:32.22 | Aelia | up to release |
| 19:32.22 | JademusSreg | I didn't have a question. |
| 19:32.25 | Ashamed | no real game |
| 19:32.28 | Ashamed | without an editor |
| 19:32.31 | Aelia | and about another 100-150 after that |
| 19:32.40 | Ashamed | and you didnt even have to design anything |
| 19:32.42 | Mexa | A real game would take years |
| 19:32.42 | Ashamed | ;) |
| 19:32.47 | Aelia | eh |
| 19:32.51 | Ashamed | exactly |
| 19:32.54 | Aelia | about the same |
| 19:32.56 | Aelia | :) |
| 19:32.58 | Ashamed | no |
| 19:32.59 | Ashamed | not about the same |
| 19:33.00 | Aelia | yes |
| 19:33.03 | Aelia | about the same |
| 19:33.05 | Mexa | You'd have an engine on about 6 months or beyond |
| 19:33.09 | Ashamed | i mean if you have an engine then you can kinda get it faster |
| 19:33.13 | Ashamed | but its stilll going to take forever |
| 19:33.15 | Mexa | probably a whole year to be the least |
| 19:33.22 | Ashamed | but if you dont even have an engine it would take a long ass time |
| 19:33.24 | Aelia | depends on the kind of game were talking |
| 19:33.30 | Ashamed | sc2 only requires so much from the user because you are programing |
| 19:33.35 | Ashamed | just as you would with any other engine |
| 19:33.38 | Aelia | i could make a pretty sweet flash game in 400 hours |
| 19:33.49 | Mexa | Sc2 isn't made for programmers |
| 19:33.51 | Ashamed | but you just made a 3d game |
| 19:33.52 | Aelia | that *is* 10 weeks of full time |
| 19:33.55 | Mexa | It's made for designers |
| 19:34.02 | Aelia | i would argue it is |
| 19:34.10 | Mexa | gui triggers is not programming |
| 19:34.13 | egod | OneTwo make a little RPG demo somewhere last year im not sure, that rpg look so simple and fun to play! SC universe look so retarded complex |
| 19:34.20 | Aelia | i cant see anyone but a competent programmer making anything decent with the editor |
| 19:34.27 | Aelia | Mexa: now thats just wrong |
| 19:34.31 | Ashamed | egod sc universe looks just like wow |
| 19:34.38 | Ashamed | wow = the easiest fucking game i have ever played |
| 19:34.41 | Mexa | That's my impression for now |
| 19:34.49 | Mexa | Unless you actually do something in galaxy |
| 19:35.01 | Mexa | which is even limited programming, and a contraint |
| 19:35.02 | Aelia | triggers are functionally equivalent to galaxy |
| 19:35.06 | Mexa | no |
| 19:35.09 | Aelia | yes |
| 19:35.10 | Mexa | no |
| 19:35.13 | Aelia | they are |
| 19:35.15 | Aelia | sorry |
| 19:35.15 | Mexa | Well |
| 19:35.19 | Aelia | to burst your bubble |
| 19:35.20 | Mexa | I meant the design |
| 19:35.23 | Mexa | Sorry |
| 19:35.36 | Aelia | you still need to come up with valid algorithms |
| 19:35.44 | Mexa | Only because you are a gui triggerer doesn't mean you know programming at all. |
| 19:35.48 | Ashamed | mexa i think you are right and wrong |
| 19:35.53 | Aelia | triggers dont magically do that for you |
| 19:36.04 | Ashamed | programmers use engines all the time... does not mean its not for programmers |
| 19:36.14 | Aelia | neither does being a galaxy coder |
| 19:36.22 | Aelia | neither does knowing c++ |
| 19:36.23 | Mexa | it's closer to programming |
| 19:36.24 | Aelia | or java |
| 19:36.26 | Aelia | or anything |
| 19:36.37 | Mexa | I guess that depends then, |
| 19:36.42 | Aelia | because ive seen some absolutely god awful code in every language |
| 19:36.53 | Mexa | ofcourse |
| 19:36.57 | Aelia | that i would absolutely say the coder didnt know a single programming concept |
| 19:37.03 | Mexa | You can be a good programmer, and a bad programmer |
| 19:37.22 | Aelia | the language you use is irrelevant |
| 19:37.27 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't argue GUI isn't programming, but rather it is rudimentary. Riding a bike with training wheels is still bike-riding. |
| 19:37.33 | Mexa | If you don't know anything about design patterns and paradigms when programming, it's not especially good. |
| 19:37.52 | Aelia | you act as if none of that matters in triggers |
| 19:37.57 | Mexa | No |
| 19:38.21 | Mexa | I act as I mean that I don't think the abstract layer of gui triggering is the same thing |
| 19:38.51 | Vailreth | Yahoo is soo Effing useless |
| 19:39.19 | Aelia | if you ask me |
| 19:39.22 | JademusSreg | Or perhaps it merits a different perspective; perhaps Mexa refers to programming as a methodology, as opposed to a simple dictionary definition where, say, one gives a process instructions. |
| 19:39.34 | Mexa | yes |
| 19:39.35 | Aelia | someone who writes efficient triggers will write efficient code in any language |
| 19:40.02 | Mexa | Aelia, someone who writes efficient triggers might not have a clue what a programming language even is. |
| 19:40.13 | Vailreth | yep |
| 19:40.13 | Aelia | i would like to see that person |
| 19:40.15 | Aelia | :P |
| 19:40.23 | Mexa | There were plenty of them in warcraft 3 |
| 19:40.24 | Vailreth | i am very nearly that person |
| 19:40.44 | JademusSreg | But then it stands to reason one can approach GUI triggers with a programming methodology, that the two at least are not mutually exclusive. |
| 19:40.49 | Aelia | someone who knows programming methodology but doesnt even know what a programming languae is |
| 19:40.58 | Vailreth | while i do know what a Programing language is i couldnt tell you the diffrences or anything about them |
| 19:41.20 | Aelia | to me |
| 19:41.30 | Aelia | triggers are just a really fancy ide on top of galaxy |
| 19:41.38 | Aelia | kind of like eclipse and java |
| 19:41.41 | JademusSreg | -really |
| 19:41.48 | Mexa | eclipse and java? |
| 19:41.49 | JademusSreg | -fancy =D |
| 19:42.00 | Aelia | yes |
| 19:42.06 | Aelia | eclipse and java |
| 19:42.08 | Vailreth | whats and ide? |
| 19:42.16 | Mexa | eclipse and java as opposed to what? |
| 19:42.25 | Aelia | while i wont go so far as to say you can click create an entire program |
| 19:42.26 | Mexa | triggers and galaxy? |
| 19:42.30 | Aelia | you can go most of the way |
| 19:42.38 | Aelia | no |
| 19:42.41 | Aelia | well yeah |
| 19:42.41 | Mexa | eclipse isn't a substitude of "triggers" |
| 19:43.01 | Mexa | The editor itself is a sort of ide |
| 19:43.01 | Aelia | triggers are an ide on top of galaxy, in the same way eclipse is an ide on top of java |
| 19:43.09 | Mexa | I wouldn't say the triggers are comparable |
| 19:43.11 | Aelia | if you dont know what i mean |
| 19:43.23 | Aelia | then you probably havent used eclipse much |
| 19:43.26 | Vailreth | what is an ide what does I D E stand for? |
| 19:43.33 | Mexa | but eclipse isn't "an IDE on top of java" |
| 19:43.34 | Aelia | integrated development environment |
| 19:43.39 | Aelia | yes, it is |
| 19:43.42 | Vailreth | thank you |
| 19:43.43 | Mexa | eclipse in an IDE to develop java code |
| 19:43.47 | Mexa | *is |
| 19:44.04 | Aelia | Eclipse is a multi-language software development environment comprising an integrated development environment (IDE) and an extensible plug-in system. It is written mostly in Java and can be used to develop applications in Java |
| 19:44.11 | Aelia | its an ide |
| 19:44.21 | Aelia | and its written in java (originally) for java |
| 19:44.34 | Mexa | Does it have triggerlike fucntionality as an abstract layer to java? |
| 19:44.45 | Aelia | (15:41:55) (Aelia) while i wont go so far as to say you can click create an entire program |
| 19:44.45 | Aelia | (15:41:58) (Mexa) triggers and galaxy? |
| 19:44.45 | Aelia | (15:42:01) (Aelia) you can go most of the way |
| 19:44.49 | Vailreth | i wana punchy something because yahoo is soo useles |
| 19:45.14 | Mexa | That eclipse is written in java is irrelevant |
| 19:45.22 | Aelia | i agree |
| 19:45.38 | Aelia | that its written as a java ide, isnt |
| 19:45.47 | Mexa | And that it is multilanguage development supporting |
| 19:45.54 | Aelia | irrelevant |
| 19:46.05 | Aelia | java is what it does best, by far |
| 19:46.11 | Mexa | I know |
| 19:46.31 | Mexa | What I would like to point out of what you said, that it was irrelevant:P |
| 19:46.35 | Aelia | anyhow |
| 19:46.42 | Aelia | it does many of the things that triggers do |
| 19:46.58 | Mexa | I don't think it is exactly a correspondence of what triggers are to galaxy |
| 19:47.16 | Mexa | the trigger editor is an ide to develop triggers |
| 19:47.32 | Aelia | *galaxy* |
| 19:47.39 | Aelia | its an ide to develop galaxy script |
| 19:47.41 | Aelia | not triggers |
| 19:47.47 | Mexa | The goal is to write triggers |
| 19:48.01 | Mexa | And blizzard didn't care very much for it being an IDE for galaxy scripts |
| 19:48.02 | Aelia | triggers are merely a gui representation of the underlying script |
| 19:48.36 | Mexa | I would say triggers are a way to design code |
| 19:48.37 | Mexa | nothing else |
| 19:48.47 | Aelia | this is pointless |
| 19:48.58 | Mexa | Drop it then, we obviosuly don't agreed |
| 19:49.03 | Mexa | :> |
| 19:49.07 | Aelia | what is the difference between a gui trigger that does x and a galaxy trigger that does x |
| 19:49.27 | Aelia | other than the difference in formatting |
| 19:50.08 | Mexa | Nothing else than a forced formatting |
| 19:50.14 | Aelia | if you dont concede that they are fundamentally the same thing |
| 19:50.19 | Aelia | then this is completely pointless |
| 19:50.42 | Mexa | Triggers do magically let things happend however |
| 19:50.48 | Aelia | ... |
| 19:51.01 | Aelia | magically calling the same functions! |
| 19:51.04 | Mexa | It's a preprocessor, I get it |
| 19:51.19 | Mexa | Not that |
| 19:51.40 | Mexa | I was talking about things like initialization and shit |
| 19:51.41 | Mexa | :P |
| 19:51.45 | Aelia | like i was saying before |
| 19:52.07 | Aelia | pretty much just like how eclipse can show you a dropdown of every function that would fit in your current spot |
| 19:52.23 | Mexa | so, we're talking about intellisense now? |
| 19:52.28 | Aelia | ? |
| 19:52.35 | Frostwind | Wish there was someone who wanted to work on a rpg project with me |
| 19:52.36 | Aelia | the fuck is intellisense |
| 19:52.57 | Aelia | Frostwind: what would this "someone" be doing |
| 19:53.04 | Mexa | autocompletion, for instance |
| 19:53.14 | Frostwind | helping with project |
| 19:53.15 | JademusSreg | Can't expect people to go on no information, Frost. |
| 19:53.26 | Mexa | or rather, it is autocompletion assistance |
| 19:53.26 | Frostwind | idea, programming, design, etc |
| 19:53.44 | Frostwind | same stuff I would be doing |
| 19:53.45 | Aelia | it also does things lik |
| 19:53.46 | Aelia | e |
| 19:53.55 | Aelia | if you rename a variable in one place |
| 19:54.04 | Aelia | it renames it everywhere in your entire project |
| 19:54.06 | Aelia | automatically |
| 19:54.25 | Aelia | things that are hard to give up, once you get used to them :< |
| 19:54.28 | Frostwind | JademusSreg: no more info other then fantasy rpg until i have someone to help start the project and get the idea going |
| 19:54.30 | Mexa | I believe it goes under intellisense, if asking microsoft |
| 19:54.57 | Aelia | Frostwind: might want to get something going before you drag more people into it |
| 19:55.16 | Mexa | Aelie, those things are ide tools to help develop the code faster |
| 19:55.21 | Aelia | yep |
| 19:55.27 | Aelia | not only that |
| 19:55.32 | Frostwind | helps to have someone to bounce ideas off of |
| 19:55.43 | Aelia | but they make it easier to find what you want and whats valid |
| 19:56.33 | Mexa | Now you're going on another track, I wasn't arguing what the trigger editor is there for |
| 19:58.26 | Ashamed | FIGHT |
| 19:58.35 | Mexa | I think we're done |
| 19:58.38 | Ashamed | oh |
| 19:58.43 | Aelia | yeah |
| 19:58.48 | Ashamed | where has Nash been? |
| 19:58.49 | Mexa | Perhaps I misunderstood the entire discussion |
| 19:58.50 | Aelia | im not wasting more time on this |
| 19:58.50 | Frostwind | :( |
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| 19:59.03 | Mexa | good call, I need to clean my room |
| 19:59.07 | Bounty | Hay Guyz |
| 19:59.10 | Ashamed | Mexa i must say i normally agree with you -.- |
| 19:59.13 | Ashamed | but i didnt think time |
| 19:59.19 | Mexa | You never agreed with me |
| 19:59.21 | Ashamed | this* |
| 19:59.24 | Ashamed | Yes i do |
| 19:59.27 | Mexa | Rarely:P |
| 19:59.30 | Aelia | mexa clearly sees a difference between the trigger version of "move x unit" and the galaxy version of the same command |
| 19:59.31 | Ashamed | in a round about way |
| 19:59.34 | JademusSreg | Hi |
| 19:59.36 | Bounty | Anyone who agrees with Mexa is wrong, just like he is usually :) |
| 19:59.37 | Mexa | No Aelia |
| 19:59.40 | Mexa | I don't |
| 19:59.46 | Ashamed | LOL |
| 19:59.48 | Mexa | You also misunderstood me |
| 19:59.49 | Ashamed | lets keep going |
| 19:59.49 | Ashamed | YES |
| 19:59.52 | Aelia | then how is one programming and one not? |
| 20:00.10 | egod | its pretty entertainning |
| 20:00.14 | Ashamed | Mexa its not our fault this day in age we can use programs to program |
| 20:00.14 | Mexa | [21:39] <JademusSreg> Or perhaps it merits a different perspective; perhaps Mexa refers to programming as a methodology, as opposed to a simple dictionary definition where, say, one gives a process instructions. |
| 20:00.40 | Aelia | lets assume the program is of sufficient complexity that you cant just stumble your way to a solution |
| 20:00.43 | Bounty | Anything JademusSreg says is irrelevant |
| 20:00.46 | Bounty | No matter what topic |
| 20:01.06 | Mexa | Bounty, get lost, you popped out from nowhere:P |
| 20:01.25 | Bounty | I sensed a disturbance in the force that is your bullshit |
| 20:01.28 | Bounty | So here i am |
| 20:01.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:01.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:01.36 | Aelia | ok |
| 20:01.37 | Mexa | trolololo |
| 20:01.37 | Bounty | *poof* |
| 20:01.42 | Aelia | i have to go test my map |
| 20:01.45 | Aelia | you think what you want |
| 20:01.46 | Aelia | :) |
| 20:01.57 | Bounty | But seriously, i dont even know wtf you guys are talking about |
| 20:02.01 | Bounty | Sounds like nerd rage |
| 20:02.08 | Mexa | You aren't going to continue your sentence, Aelia?:P |
| 20:02.17 | Aelia | what |
| 20:02.30 | Mexa | lets assume the program is of sufficient? |
| 20:02.37 | Aelia | i am assuming as such |
| 20:02.40 | Aelia | :p |
| 20:02.41 | Frostwind | is bored |
| 20:02.47 | Mexa | gnarpagnarp |
| 20:03.13 | Aelia | my point: sure, someone could stumble through doing some kind of simple trigger having never done any programming prior |
| 20:03.27 | Aelia | but they couldnt assemble a complex program |
| 20:03.31 | Aelia | gui triggers or not |
| 20:03.44 | Aelia | that is my point |
| 20:04.04 | Aelia | my auxilliary point is |
| 20:04.21 | Aelia | anyone who could, could do the same thing in any programming language of their choice |
| 20:04.28 | Aelia | and not just the sc2 editor |
| 20:05.06 | Mexa | I agreed, once they learn that programming language's syntax |
| 20:05.51 | Mexa | My point was that, however, since a trigger is a formatted way of spitting out code, one who does not know programming or whatever, would perhaps not understand the underlying structure. |
| 20:06.29 | Aelia | it doesnt matter |
| 20:06.36 | Mexa | Or hence, he might not know what "programming" as programming in a language, is |
| 20:06.47 | Aelia | i dont understand the underlying structure, triggers hide all that |
| 20:07.02 | Aelia | gui triggers are a language |
| 20:07.20 | Mexa | you could call it that, yes |
| 20:07.59 | Aelia | a bit limited one, perhaps |
| 20:08.00 | Aelia | but |
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| 20:10.42 | Mexa | ok. |
| 20:11.28 | Frostwind | la la la la la |
| 20:12.10 | Aelia | at least my map, while making it, needed more than one non trivial algorithm |
| 20:12.50 | Mexa | I got you aelia, I was excluding knowing various of algoritms and such as programming |
| 20:13.08 | Mexa | Which is, I guess, a definition mistake or whatever from my part |
| 20:13.13 | Aelia | if you ask me, theyre the bulk of what id consider a "programmer" |
| 20:13.47 | Aelia | someone who knows a language but doesnt really know any concepts or methods |
| 20:13.54 | Aelia | isnt really a real "programmer" |
| 20:13.58 | Mexa | I'd tend also to to say that triggering and writing galaxy isn't programming by term either - it would be scripting. |
| 20:14.40 | Mexa | but the difference between scripting and programming in "your" terms aren't very different |
| 20:14.45 | Mexa | so whatever |
| 20:15.16 | Aelia | i agree |
| 20:15.43 | Aelia | i would even consider some of the data editor stuff ive done "programming" |
| 20:15.55 | Mexa | hm, oh |
| 20:16.04 | Mexa | maybe:p |
| 20:16.39 | Mexa | As the definition of giving instructions to a certain something, yeah |
| 20:18.35 | Mexa | Well good, now that we gotten this far, it should'v been this far since about 20 minutes ago |
| 20:18.45 | Mexa | And i need to clean the bathroom |
| 20:18.50 | Mexa | *I |
| 20:19.00 | JademusSreg | Like I said, your initial disagreement was concerning the methodology. =D |
| 20:19.22 | Mexa | ^ |
| 20:21.58 | JademusSreg | Kind of like if you put a witch and scientist in a room; ask a witch a question about the earth and she may get it right through an unsound method. Ask the scientist the same question and she'll use proper methods and will fair better than a witch's guess at the right answer. |
| 20:22.54 | Mexa_ | Hmm |
| 20:23.11 | Mexa_ | so one of us is the witch, and the other the scientist now .-.? |
| 20:23.14 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 20:23.33 | Mexa_ | I get it tho:p |
| 20:23.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 20:27.52 | Aelia | do i get to be the witch? |
| 20:29.30 | Mexa_ | NO! |
| 20:29.33 | Mexa_ | le gasp |
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| 20:42.34 | Vailreth | http://www.box.net/shared/efuj70vzn8l16tcdrf2f |
| 20:42.58 | Vailreth | hello |
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| 20:53.07 | cplusplus | anyone feel like seein something cool? i finally got my physics solved |
| 20:55.58 | Vailreth | nice |
| 20:56.14 | Mexa_ | oh, really? |
| 20:57.54 | Mexa_ | yes. |
| 21:05.03 | Vailreth | well? |
| 21:08.31 | cplusplus | oh sorry |
| 21:08.34 | cplusplus | lol i got distracted |
| 21:09.07 | cplusplus | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17280988/PhysTest.SC2Map |
| 21:09.21 | cplusplus | click and drag mouse to create spin |
| 21:11.02 | Vailreth | i just hope the new unit for zerg isnt some artilery |
| 21:11.23 | cplusplus | lol |
| 21:11.26 | cplusplus | why not? |
| 21:11.37 | Xaragoth | they lack that in lower tier |
| 21:11.50 | Vailreth | i already created a cool zerg artillery unit |
| 21:12.20 | Vailreth | needs a custom model, for now it uses the Fatty Model |
| 21:14.23 | cplusplus | hey if you try out my map i posted, lemme know if you see anything wrong with the spinning |
| 21:14.29 | cplusplus | or if you can break it somehow |
| 21:15.54 | Vailreth | my frame rate isnt high enough to really see a fast spin |
| 21:17.37 | Vailreth | i need to finish my Firestorm strike ability |
| 21:18.06 | Vailreth | right now the Banshee cloaks ins travels across the target point and cloaks out then disapears .. |
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| 21:19.08 | Mexa_ | cplusplus, yeah give me a moment |
| 21:22.29 | cplusplus | mexa, im embarassed to say, but i dont know how to reply to a pm in irc :P |
| 21:23.02 | Mexa_ | I suppose that depends on the client you're using |
| 21:23.10 | cplusplus | oh gotcha |
| 21:23.25 | cplusplus | im using KVIrc? how do YOU do it? |
| 21:23.28 | Mexa_ | In mirc, you start a "query" |
| 21:23.34 | Aelia | hmm |
| 21:23.52 | Aelia | wasnt someone reporting the game getting super laggy with a stack of 500 behaviors? |
| 21:23.57 | Mexa_ | cplusplus, the physics looks interesting, but I'm not sure they are right |
| 21:25.08 | Bounty | Anyone good with audio files? |
| 21:25.10 | Bounty | :) |
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| 21:27.11 | RndmObjcts | anyone around? |
| 21:27.18 | Bounty | apparently not |
| 21:27.49 | RndmObjcts | lol |
| 21:28.14 | Bounty | You wouldnt happen to have a good knowledge of audio files would you |
| 21:28.15 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:29.11 | RndmObjcts | a little actually whats up |
| 21:29.22 | Bounty | extracting some music from DCUO |
| 21:29.27 | Bounty | and its in FSB packs |
| 21:29.48 | Bounty | i can get some to work but 99% of them are only like 5 seconds long, they sound REALLY sped up |
| 21:29.56 | Bounty | like they are compressed or something |
| 21:30.28 | RndmObjcts | nope dont know anything about that lol. i make my own sounds and stuff in fl. |
| 21:30.39 | Bounty | gghey |
| 21:30.41 | Bounty | ;p; |
| 21:30.43 | Bounty | lol* |
| 21:30.53 | RndmObjcts | sorry man D: |
| 21:31.12 | Bounty | its ok, this is apparently the only video game soundtrack NOBODY has |
| 21:31.24 | Bounty | nowhere on the internetz |
| 21:31.34 | RndmObjcts | what soundtrack? |
| 21:31.42 | Bounty | DC Universe Online |
| 21:32.26 | RndmObjcts | you just need to know the band that actually did the songs and look for albums |
| 21:32.43 | Bounty | tried that |
| 21:33.08 | RndmObjcts | well.. two steps from hell do bad ass trailer music. i bet they have something you would like |
| 21:33.35 | RndmObjcts | unless your like hardcore set on a dcuo remake or something |
| 21:33.46 | Bounty | no, i just need certain songs |
| 21:33.54 | Bounty | has nothing to do with DC >< |
| 21:34.04 | RndmObjcts | oh |
| 21:34.19 | RndmObjcts | well check those guys out if you cant ever get the ones your looking for |
| 21:34.48 | Bounty | kk :) |
| 21:36.16 | RndmObjcts | so i got a dumb question, know how to invite someone to a team on the forums? |
| 21:36.29 | Bounty | nope >< |
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| 21:48.28 | Aelia | .... |
| 21:49.08 | Mexa_ | sup? |
| 21:50.19 | Vailreth | the hell is wrong with my ability now... |
| 21:51.45 | Aelia | would a stack of 1000 str make the game lag? |
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| 22:20.40 | Bounty | So, who wants to help me figure out how to get this mp3 file to play properly :) |
| 22:30.22 | Vailreth | i think sc2 can only play ogg and wav... |
| 22:30.40 | Bounty | i know |
| 22:30.46 | Bounty | my issue has nothing to do with that |
| 22:30.51 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:30.54 | Vailreth | ah |
| 22:30.59 | Bounty | its waayyy off the topic of sc2 lol |
| 22:32.34 | Mexa_ | Vailreth, as for what the editor says perhaps |
| 22:32.35 | Bounty | here, ill show u :) |
| 22:32.52 | Mexa_ | It could be like images |
| 22:32.58 | Bounty | http://www.mediafire.com/?s5r5yo5kb212y8x |
| 22:32.59 | Mexa_ | the editor suggests dds and tga |
| 22:33.03 | Bounty | tahts the file im having trouble with |
| 22:33.13 | Bounty | pretty sure its not supposed to sound like that |
| 22:33.16 | Mexa_ | I suggest png, jpg, and even bmp |
| 22:33.23 | Vailreth | i cant get missiles to fly from another missile at targets on the ground |
| 22:33.53 | Mexa_ | sounds speeded up |
| 22:33.59 | Mexa_ | ;D |
| 22:34.12 | Bounty | how do i fix that, and are you sure thats the only problem? lol |
| 22:34.26 | Mexa_ | can't it be a compression? |
| 22:34.34 | Mexa_ | Like uhm, they stretch it out ingame? |
| 22:34.38 | Bounty | could be |
| 22:34.47 | Mexa_ | I realize it would make no sense, as the quality would be shit... |
| 22:34.50 | Mexa_ | but you never know |
| 22:35.02 | Bounty | well |
| 22:35.04 | Bounty | the file itself |
| 22:35.06 | Bounty | its 4mb |
| 22:35.10 | Bounty | which is about right for a music file |
| 22:35.20 | Bounty | it shouldnt be 10 seconds for a 4mb sound |
| 22:35.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:35.33 | Mexa_ | Oh you know |
| 22:35.45 | Mexa_ | the file is played in 14H kbps |
| 22:35.57 | Bounty | could that be the problem? |
| 22:36.02 | Mexa_ | which is about 1.4 gigabits per second |
| 22:36.04 | Mexa_ | yes |
| 22:36.11 | Mexa_ | No wait |
| 22:36.12 | Bounty | how do you fix :) |
| 22:36.42 | Mexa_ | you change the bitrate to something, Idk, 192kbps or so? |
| 22:37.10 | Bounty | how? |
| 22:37.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:37.17 | Bounty | i have it opened in audacity |
| 22:37.36 | Mexa_ | Try audacity |
| 22:37.43 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 22:37.52 | Mexa_ | Well, i don't know more than that |
| 22:37.52 | Mexa_ | :P |
| 22:38.56 | Mexa_ | try to export it to a mp3 |
| 22:39.23 | Vailreth | audacity |
| 22:39.38 | Vailreth | uhuyiuy |
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| 22:40.27 | Bounty | nope |
| 22:40.38 | Vailreth | nope what? |
| 22:40.46 | Bounty | here let me show you the original file |
| 22:40.55 | Bounty | the one i uploaded wasnt the original |
| 22:41.24 | Mexa_ | What do you need it for anyway? |
| 22:41.42 | Bounty | bc ive been trying to get this soundtrack since this game came out lol |
| 22:41.45 | Bounty | one of my favs |
| 22:41.57 | Bounty | i expected the mto release a CD or something |
| 22:41.59 | Bounty | but they never did |
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| 22:42.14 | Bounty | http://www.mediafire.com/?s5r5yo5kb212y8x |
| 22:42.15 | Daara | long weekend -_- |
| 22:42.24 | Bounty | thats the original file |
| 22:42.29 | Bounty | that i extracted from the .fsb |
| 22:42.53 | Bounty | you wont be able to open it other then in audacity though |
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| 22:44.30 | Bounty | you get that link mexa? |
| 22:44.38 | Mexa_ | nope |
| 22:44.40 | Bounty | http://www.mediafire.com/?s5r5yo5kb212y8x |
| 22:44.43 | Bounty | thats the REAL file |
| 22:44.45 | Mexa_ | Somehow I reached the close tab |
| 22:44.50 | Vailreth | all i want is for a missle to fly across apoint and fire its own missiles down at the ground |
| 22:44.54 | Bounty | 3.10mb's |
| 22:45.00 | Bounty | and yet its only like 2 seconds long |
| 22:45.04 | Mexa_ | You sent me the wrong link |
| 22:45.06 | Vailreth | rtg |
| 22:45.08 | Bounty | u can kinda hear that there is a song somewhere in there |
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| 22:45.13 | Mexa_ | it's only 246kb |
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| 22:45.29 | Bounty | oh |
| 22:45.30 | Bounty | whoops |
| 22:45.33 | Vailreth | god i hate this fucking client |
| 22:45.49 | Vailreth | irc |
| 22:45.52 | Vailreth | clinet |
| 22:46.08 | Mexa_ | It messes up your connection? |
| 22:46.09 | Bounty | http://www.mediafire.com/?9ika25x4tdn1rit |
| 22:46.11 | Bounty | there we go |
| 22:46.28 | Vailreth | no it cosntalt stops showing my posts |
| 22:46.36 | Vailreth | CONSTANTLY FUCK |
| 22:46.50 | Mexa_ | Bounty, that file doesn't play at all for me |
| 22:46.58 | Bounty | you have to open it in audacity |
| 22:47.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:47.08 | Mexa_ | hm right |
| 22:47.13 | Mexa_ | I don't have audacity here |
| 22:47.30 | egod | audacity is great cause its free |
| 22:47.42 | Bounty | yeah well its not fixing my issue :) |
| 22:47.47 | Bounty | nothing is actually... |
| 22:48.24 | Mexa_ | It's open source, I know that already |
| 22:48.53 | Bounty | is that bad? |
| 22:48.59 | Mexa_ | nah |
| 22:49.10 | egod | the sound quality is good in audacity |
| 22:49.14 | egod | if you ahve a real mic |
| 22:49.20 | egod | studio style |
| 22:49.22 | Bounty | egod |
| 22:49.26 | Bounty | download this file http://www.mediafire.com/?9ika25x4tdn1rit |
| 22:49.30 | Bounty | and get it to play properly |
| 22:49.31 | Bounty | i dare you |
| 22:49.32 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:49.38 | egod | ok |
| 22:49.41 | Mexa_ | The sound quality usually depend on your mic, not the program |
| 22:49.52 | egod | no mexa |
| 22:49.54 | Mexa_ | If you have a studio mic, even better. |
| 22:49.56 | egod | both are important |
| 22:50.02 | Mexa_ | fine |
| 22:50.07 | egod | there some shitty program |
| 22:50.14 | Mexa_ | Yeahyeah |
| 22:50.19 | Mexa_ | Like microsoft sound recorder I guess |
| 22:50.33 | egod | lol yeah but there lot of free software i tryed |
| 22:50.38 | egod | audacity is great |
| 22:50.48 | egod | + you can mods it |
| 22:50.52 | Bounty | until you can get that audio file to play properly |
| 22:50.54 | Bounty | audacity sucks |
| 22:50.55 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:51.04 | Mexa_ | That's true though, I've seen more downfalls in free software than in proprietary |
| 22:52.00 | egod | Bouty |
| 22:52.02 | egod | its bugged |
| 22:52.06 | egod | its like to fast |
| 22:52.17 | Bounty | thats exactly how it extracts from its fsb bank |
| 22:52.27 | Bounty | there has to be a way to play it |
| 22:52.35 | Bounty | it plays in the game lol |
| 22:53.00 | Bounty | the song is there |
| 22:53.07 | Bounty | otherwise it wouldnt be a 3mb file |
| 22:53.11 | egod | send me your audacity file this one is bugged to me |
| 22:53.21 | Bounty | no, thats the right one |
| 22:53.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:53.29 | Bounty | it sounds really really fast right? |
| 22:53.31 | Mexa_ | http://www.youtube.com/charts D: |
| 22:53.34 | egod | yeah |
| 22:53.36 | egod | to fast |
| 22:53.38 | Mexa_ | That crash sure draw attention :| |
| 22:53.39 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:53.41 | Bounty | thats the problem |
| 22:53.42 | Bounty | :) |
| 22:53.44 | Mexa_ | *drew |
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| 22:54.07 | Bounty | do the math |
| 22:54.08 | Bounty | its like |
| 22:54.12 | Bounty | a 2 second sound length |
| 22:54.16 | Bounty | but a 3mb file? |
| 22:54.25 | Bounty | i call bullshit... has to be a way to fix it |
| 22:54.53 | Mexa_ | Like I said |
| 22:54.55 | Mexa_ | the bitrate |
| 22:55.03 | Mexa_ | Or rather, what I suspect |
| 22:58.56 | Bounty | grrr |
| 23:00.54 | Mexa_ | hmm, bitrate seems to be 1411kbps |
| 23:01.01 | Mexa_ | Maybe that's not it then |
| 23:01.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:01.06 | Bounty | oh |
| 23:01.10 | Bounty | thats not to high? |
| 23:01.16 | Bounty | i thought highest was like 320? |
| 23:01.23 | Mexa_ | for wav? no |
| 23:01.39 | Mexa_ | 1411 is about the same as cdaudio quality |
| 23:02.10 | Bounty | ah |
| 23:02.14 | Mexa_ | ripping from cd to wav gives a very low loss of the quality. |
| 23:03.10 | Bounty | i sense... i'll never get this song |
| 23:03.22 | Bounty | and a bunch of other ones aswell |
| 23:04.03 | Bounty | i also sense egod gave up >< |
| 23:04.11 | Mexa_ | on what? |
| 23:04.19 | Bounty | trying to help |
| 23:04.28 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 23:04.31 | Mexa_ | didn't spot |
| 23:10.01 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 23:10.07 | Mexa_ | sounds like shit when slowed down |
| 23:10.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:10.24 | Mexa_ | Not surprising either tho |
| 23:10.41 | Mexa_ | And this was the ingame version? |
| 23:10.48 | Bounty | i guess |
| 23:11.00 | Mexa_ | guess? |
| 23:11.01 | egod | check on youtube |
| 23:11.12 | Bounty | for what? |
| 23:11.16 | egod | and convert youtube to .x file |
| 23:11.27 | egod | the song you need |
| 23:11.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:11.33 | Bounty | trust me |
| 23:11.41 | Bounty | it does not exist |
| 23:11.48 | Aelia | ok |
| 23:11.48 | Aelia | so |
| 23:11.48 | Mexa_ | I checked, it doesn't |
| 23:11.50 | egod | what the name^ |
| 23:11.55 | Bounty | DC Universe Online |
| 23:12.00 | Bounty | is the game |
| 23:12.01 | Aelia | i dont feel like im getting anywhere unless i get at least 15 ragequits |
| 23:12.05 | Aelia | after every patch |
| 23:12.06 | Bounty | you will never find it |
| 23:12.10 | egod | what zone this song play^ |
| 23:12.13 | egod | in the game |
| 23:12.16 | Bounty | doesnt matter |
| 23:12.20 | Bounty | just look for any song |
| 23:12.20 | egod | i have this game |
| 23:12.22 | Bounty | you wont find any |
| 23:12.23 | Bounty | =P |
| 23:12.48 | egod | this game suck btw but whatever lol, i buyed that |
| 23:12.54 | egod | when they release it |
| 23:12.56 | Bounty | i liked it |
| 23:13.16 | Aelia | im already up to 2! |
| 23:13.23 | Aelia | and its only been like 15 minutes |
| 23:13.25 | Aelia | im doing great |
| 23:13.29 | egod | the World map in this game is horrible |
| 23:13.33 | egod | like the town |
| 23:13.34 | egod | lol |
| 23:13.51 | Bounty | well... i still want the music fro mthe game |
| 23:13.53 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:14.01 | egod | what the name |
| 23:14.07 | Bounty | all of it |
| 23:14.10 | Bounty | ok |
| 23:14.11 | Bounty | how about |
| 23:14.24 | Bounty | the music from the Batcave PvP Arena |
| 23:14.33 | egod | k well |
| 23:15.15 | egod | what you can do |
| 23:15.20 | egod | is record as video |
| 23:15.26 | Aelia | you can load up a zelda game |
| 23:15.27 | egod | and convert |
| 23:15.30 | Aelia | rip all the assets |
| 23:15.39 | Aelia | and use the musix |
| 23:17.00 | Bounty | well i dont have an active account egod |
| 23:17.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:17.06 | egod | ahhh |
| 23:17.10 | egod | dman men lol |
| 23:17.22 | Bounty | plus. i bought the ps3 version >< |
| 23:17.32 | egod | well |
| 23:17.50 | egod | use a mic and record it, but you dont have a active account, so idk |
| 23:18.03 | Bounty | its going FTP in a few days |
| 23:18.07 | Bounty | so |
| 23:42.57 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 23:51.29 | Aelia | JademusSreg: did you see what i said above |
| 23:51.35 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 23:51.44 | Aelia | (19:12:01) (Aelia) i dont feel like im getting anywhere unless i get at least 15 ragequits |
| 23:51.44 | Aelia | (19:12:05) (Aelia) after every patch |
| 23:51.49 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:51.49 | Aelia | (19:13:15) (Aelia) im already up to 2! |
| 23:51.50 | Aelia | (19:13:22) (Aelia) and its only been like 15 minutes |
| 23:51.50 | Aelia | (19:13:25) (Aelia) im doing great |
| 23:51.53 | Aelia | oh |
| 23:51.56 | Aelia | im up to 3 now |
| 23:54.40 | Aelia | i did a quick rundown of how i ruined the game with every patch so far |
| 23:54.59 | Aelia | :D |
| 23:55.12 | JademusSreg | People hate change. |
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| 23:57.51 | Vailreth|2 | hallu |
