| 00:04.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster wezeer (1834f442@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.52.244.66) |
| 00:04.31 | wezeer | can I pay someone to add team colors to the preserver models? |
| 00:06.37 | egod_ | change the tint color |
| 00:06.42 | egod_ | with events |
| 00:06.59 | wezeer | will look hideously ugly up close |
| 00:07.09 | egod_ | Actor//Events//UNit.Birth//Set Tint Color// PINK |
| 00:07.33 | wezeer | i also want the spirit-glow removed |
| 00:07.41 | egod_ | well |
| 00:07.51 | wezeer | which ive heard is possible with set texture by id but havent managed |
| 00:15.27 | Aelie | ... |
| 00:15.41 | Aelie | exaclty how much are you offering for this service |
| 00:17.04 | Vailreth | do the preserver models have ribbons? |
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| 00:23.04 | Mephs | Working on Smashcraft Legends, playing some LoL, fucking around, making fun of your mother, etc. |
| 00:23.04 | Mephs | Get in it: http://www.livestream.com/mephssc |
| 00:25.30 | Aelie | lol.. |
| 00:27.52 | Aelie | who wants to play gem td |
| 00:28.12 | Mephs | we all know the answer to "who wants to play a td?" |
| 00:28.24 | Mephs | it is "fuck no" |
| 00:28.42 | Aelie | actually |
| 00:28.46 | Aelie | even jade likes my td :O |
| 00:29.05 | JademusSreg | That's an overstatement. |
| 00:29.10 | Mephs | jade |
| 00:29.10 | Aelie | psh |
| 00:29.14 | Mephs | you are dead to me |
| 00:29.15 | Aelie | dont be like t hat |
| 00:29.29 | Aelie | youre making a td yourself! |
| 00:29.51 | JademusSreg | So I can make juvenile sex jokes, obviously. |
| 00:30.31 | Aelie | excuses |
| 00:30.41 | Aelie | you can make juvenile sex jokes with any genre of map |
| 00:30.44 | Aelie | and you chose a td |
| 00:31.18 | Aelie | the real story: jade saw my td, thought to himself "i wish i was that awesome" and came up with his own td idea |
| 00:31.24 | JademusSreg | "I'm calling it Subversion Tower Defense. The sinister Phallux Brood seeks to invade the worldship known to the Protoss as Veneria, and only the valiant warriors of the Prophyllarium can ensure the ship remains impregnable. Players will employ Directed Photon Resistance Matrices each round to delay the penetration by the Phallux." |
| 00:31.48 | JademusSreg | Naw, the real story is I want to make fun of TDs with STD. |
| 00:31.53 | Aelie | lol |
| 00:32.09 | Aelie | i added a new thing jade |
| 00:32.09 | Mephs | i see what you did there |
| 00:33.02 | Aelie | i should make a tower attack map |
| 00:33.07 | Aelie | fuck defending |
| 00:33.18 | JademusSreg | I especially enjoy saying "Prophyllarium"; it has a nice ring to it. |
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| 00:33.55 | JademusSreg | Two game modes: Contraception and Impregnation. So I've got the attack angle covered too. |
| 00:34.14 | ________________ | this for your td? |
| 00:34.15 | Mexa_ | Hey Mindy |
| 00:34.33 | Mexa_ | Some isight on The Binding of Isaac |
| 00:34.36 | Mexa_ | *insight |
| 00:34.36 | Mexa_ | http://edmundmcmillen.blogspot.com/2011/09/binding-of-isaac-gameplay-explained.html |
| 00:34.50 | JademusSreg | Besides, I'm prototyping the mechanics atm. If it's not fun, fuck it; it won't be released. |
| 00:35.04 | JademusSreg | Yeah, underscore. |
| 00:35.17 | Mexa_ | Kind of reminds me of Spelunky too, tho the major difference this being topdown, instead of sidescrolling. |
| 00:35.27 | ________________ | you work fast |
| 00:35.33 | ________________ | alrdy have working prototypes |
| 00:35.46 | Aelie | i made my whole map in under 2 weeks |
| 00:35.48 | Aelie | >_> |
| 00:35.58 | ________________ | is it good? |
| 00:36.02 | Aelie | i think it is |
| 00:36.06 | Aelie | want to see? |
| 00:36.08 | JademusSreg | Play it, underscore. =D |
| 00:36.08 | ________________ | sure |
| 00:36.14 | Aelie | im online |
| 00:36.23 | ________________ | mmk, coming |
| 00:36.28 | JademusSreg | Can't take a dev's word for it. |
| 00:36.43 | ________________ | lol we devs dont know what fun is |
| 00:36.51 | Aelie | of course, im biased :p |
| 00:36.58 | Aelie | anyone else coming |
| 00:37.03 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 00:37.09 | ________________ | mmk where am i finding u |
| 00:37.11 | ________________ | im on |
| 00:37.17 | Aelie | sc2mapster |
| 00:37.48 | ________________ | oh you made gem td |
| 00:37.50 | ________________ | ive played this |
| 00:39.09 | Aelie | lol.. |
| 00:39.14 | ________________ | jades u coulda told me we playd this alrdy |
| 00:39.17 | Aelie | you quit when i got the perfect first rounnnnnnnnnd |
| 00:39.32 | ________________ | haha |
| 00:39.36 | ________________ | brb |
| 00:39.39 | Aelie | ah |
| 00:39.42 | Aelie | i noticed a bug |
| 00:39.45 | Aelie | thanks zzezz :D |
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| 00:40.29 | Aelie | i noticed a bug |
| 00:40.30 | Aelie | thanks zzezz :D |
| 00:41.51 | Aelie | other than wanting to play another round or two to look for bugs |
| 00:42.02 | Aelie | i cant think of any reason not to go public with it right now |
| 00:44.54 | ________________ | woo bug found :) |
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| 00:49.56 | wezeer | @Aelie $5 |
| 00:50.24 | wezeer | @Vailreth no they do not, nor those other particles you can kill |
| 00:50.41 | Aelie | wezeer: i was hoping youd say something that low so i could mock you |
| 00:51.23 | wezeer | I was under the impression it could be done in less than 15 minutes |
| 00:51.32 | SoulTaker916_ | i had a power surge and lost 2 hours of work |
| 00:51.33 | SoulTaker916_ | :/ |
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| 00:52.20 | wezeer | and consider this site has free similar models (raynor, tychus) I figured offering anything was better than nothing |
| 00:53.00 | SoulTaker916_ | the one thing i didnt like about the campain |
| 00:53.04 | SoulTaker916_ | was being jim raynor |
| 00:53.05 | SoulTaker916_ | in sc1 |
| 00:53.10 | SoulTaker916_ | we were not jim raynor |
| 00:53.16 | SoulTaker916_ | we were a strategist |
| 00:53.26 | Vailreth | yeah.. |
| 00:53.30 | Vailreth | ok |
| 00:53.34 | SoulTaker916_ | campain was ruined |
| 00:53.34 | SoulTaker916_ | cause |
| 00:53.42 | SoulTaker916_ | i dont really like jim raynor |
| 00:53.49 | Vailreth | i will give the Preserver modles a look |
| 00:54.35 | ________________ | ive never played more than 1 hour of any SC campaign |
| 00:54.42 | SoulTaker916_ | lol |
| 00:54.43 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 00:54.45 | ________________ | multiplayer distracts me |
| 00:54.47 | SoulTaker916_ | i love the sc1 campain |
| 00:54.49 | SoulTaker916_ | it was amazing |
| 00:54.53 | SoulTaker916_ | sc2 is eh... |
| 00:55.07 | Aelie | yeah but raynor is the main character of the SC story |
| 00:55.18 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 00:55.21 | SoulTaker916_ | and in sc1 |
| 00:55.26 | SoulTaker916_ | u were not jim raynor |
| 00:55.37 | SoulTaker916_ | jim raynor was this cry baby who was a bitch |
| 00:55.43 | SoulTaker916_ | that u had to pull his ass through |
| 00:55.45 | Aelie | he was still the main character |
| 00:55.50 | Vailreth | so |
| 00:56.03 | Aelie | its like being pissed off that you have to play as luke in a star wars game |
| 00:56.13 | SoulTaker916_ | well |
| 00:56.14 | Vailreth | thats the thing |
| 00:56.21 | SoulTaker916_ | if in starwars 1, i wasnt luke |
| 00:56.25 | SoulTaker916_ | and starwars2 |
| 00:56.26 | SoulTaker916_ | i was |
| 00:56.29 | SoulTaker916_ | i would be pissed |
| 00:56.30 | Vailreth | you are not PLAYING AS Raynor in SC1 |
| 00:56.49 | SoulTaker916_ | i think they gave that other guy |
| 00:56.50 | SoulTaker916_ | max |
| 00:56.54 | SoulTaker916_ | my persona |
| 00:56.57 | SoulTaker916_ | that bastard |
| 00:57.00 | SoulTaker916_ | i want it back! |
| 00:57.13 | Vailreth | yes |
| 00:57.17 | Vailreth | i know what you mean |
| 00:57.19 | SoulTaker916_ | Viva la revelouchion |
| 00:57.29 | SoulTaker916_ | the whole campain |
| 00:57.31 | Vailreth | i am not looking forward to Playing AS kerrigan in the next one bag |
| 00:57.32 | SoulTaker916_ | i was thinking of ways |
| 00:57.34 | Vailreth | bah* |
| 00:57.34 | SoulTaker916_ | to kill max |
| 00:57.39 | SoulTaker916_ | and take my rightful place |
| 00:57.47 | SoulTaker916_ | dude |
| 00:57.50 | SoulTaker916_ | i would be piss |
| 00:57.54 | SoulTaker916_ | if im not a ceribrate |
| 00:57.58 | SoulTaker916_ | i would rage out |
| 00:58.00 | Aelie | hm |
| 00:58.05 | Aelie | you dont like kerrigan? |
| 00:58.13 | SoulTaker916_ | kerrigan is fine n all |
| 00:58.27 | SoulTaker916_ | but i like being her bitch and being mascocated |
| 00:58.28 | Aelie | i wonder if shes going to end up as good or evil :p |
| 00:58.51 | Vailreth | woneder? |
| 00:58.51 | SoulTaker916_ | they should have saved karrigan in the final chapter |
| 00:58.57 | SoulTaker916_ | not the last game |
| 00:59.13 | SoulTaker916_ | thats the best part of sc the love relation with karrigan and taynor |
| 00:59.45 | SoulTaker916_ | they should of ended wings of liberty with things getting a whole lot worse |
| 00:59.47 | Aelie | that was the whole point of the sc2 campaign, really |
| 00:59.52 | Aelie | didnt it? |
| 01:00.05 | Aelie | they found out that theres someting thats even going to wipe out the zerg |
| 01:00.10 | JademusSreg | [20:57:55] <SoulTaker916_> i would be piss |
| 01:00.12 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:00.12 | SoulTaker916_ | like i said i dotn like it |
| 01:00.12 | Vailreth | lets seen another Broodwar... the Dominion in Chaos ... |
| 01:00.21 | SoulTaker916_ | karigan is what held the plot togeather |
| 01:00.24 | Aelie | i like how the sc2 campaign went |
| 01:00.27 | Aelie | she still is... |
| 01:00.30 | SoulTaker916_ | being all diabolicoly evil |
| 01:00.32 | SoulTaker916_ | now its like.. |
| 01:00.33 | SoulTaker916_ | bleh |
| 01:00.34 | Aelie | shes even more important than ever now |
| 01:00.46 | Vailreth | but its artifical importance |
| 01:00.54 | Aelie | is it? |
| 01:00.56 | SoulTaker916_ | yes |
| 01:00.57 | Vailreth | yes |
| 01:00.59 | SoulTaker916_ | i agree with vail |
| 01:01.03 | SoulTaker916_ | us sc1 guys |
| 01:01.05 | Aelie | why artificial? |
| 01:01.06 | SoulTaker916_ | know whats up |
| 01:01.18 | Aelie | it makes sense to me |
| 01:01.35 | Aelie | kill off kerrigan, hybrids easily take controll of zerg and rape the universe |
| 01:01.40 | Vailreth | there were retcons, re-explinations and changes galore to make her central to the MAIN plot |
| 01:01.52 | Aelie | kerrigan lives, hybrids dont take the zerg -> ??? |
| 01:01.57 | Aelie | retcons where |
| 01:02.06 | Vailreth | well i thought there were |
| 01:02.15 | Vailreth | it feels retconned |
| 01:02.41 | SoulTaker916_ | i would have ended wings of liberity like so, "raynor failed, kariggan is stronger and found the location of sakuras and is sending an army while sending another massive unbeatable army to the UED |
| 01:02.42 | Aelie | i think the story is fine |
| 01:02.43 | SoulTaker916_ | " |
| 01:02.50 | SoulTaker916_ | thats how i would have it |
| 01:02.52 | Aelie | eh |
| 01:03.04 | SoulTaker916_ | also |
| 01:03.10 | SoulTaker916_ | i miss the bonus secret levels |
| 01:03.12 | SoulTaker916_ | :( |
| 01:03.13 | Vailreth | i would have ended with the leaked ending |
| 01:03.19 | Vailreth | but eh |
| 01:03.20 | Aelie | you dont like the "universe in peril" plot line? |
| 01:03.26 | SoulTaker916_ | i do |
| 01:03.29 | SoulTaker916_ | i love it |
| 01:03.32 | SoulTaker916_ | wings of liberty |
| 01:03.33 | Vailreth | i do as well |
| 01:03.35 | SoulTaker916_ | made the universe |
| 01:03.38 | SoulTaker916_ | less in peril |
| 01:03.48 | Aelie | no it didnt |
| 01:03.57 | Vailreth | but wings of liberty is too overt in setting up the peril |
| 01:04.02 | Aelie | perhaps |
| 01:04.26 | SoulTaker916_ | i wantd wings of liberty to end the same way as all the other first chapters did |
| 01:04.31 | SoulTaker916_ | slight good, alot bad |
| 01:04.44 | Vailreth | i dont like being handed all the info sequentially |
| 01:04.44 | Aelie | what do you mean |
| 01:04.54 | Aelie | the first game ended with them killing the overmind |
| 01:05.06 | Vailreth | and started the first broodwar |
| 01:05.11 | Aelie | yep |
| 01:05.16 | Aelie | but |
| 01:05.22 | Aelie | the first game ended on a victory |
| 01:05.46 | SoulTaker916_ | the first chaper didnt |
| 01:05.50 | SoulTaker916_ | 6 chapters |
| 01:05.53 | SoulTaker916_ | 3 sc1 |
| 01:05.55 | SoulTaker916_ | 3bw |
| 01:06.04 | SoulTaker916_ | 1 sc2 wol |
| 01:06.22 | Aelie | how is "we killed the overmind" in the last chapter of sc1 |
| 01:06.23 | SoulTaker916_ | chaper 1, 3 ending with a slight gain and epic loss |
| 01:06.25 | Aelie | not a victory |
| 01:06.34 | SoulTaker916_ | it is |
| 01:06.36 | SoulTaker916_ | i saying |
| 01:06.39 | SoulTaker916_ | the first chapter |
| 01:06.41 | SoulTaker916_ | of each game |
| 01:06.42 | Aelie | how is killing the overmind a slight victory |
| 01:06.44 | SoulTaker916_ | is a epic fail |
| 01:06.46 | SoulTaker916_ | ie |
| 01:06.47 | Vailreth | its a hollow victory |
| 01:07.02 | Vailreth | killing the overmind ignites the brood war |
| 01:07.02 | Aelie | anyhow |
| 01:07.02 | SoulTaker916_ | tarran campain and sakuras campain |
| 01:07.58 | Aelie | honestly |
| 01:08.15 | Aelie | i think wings of liberty fits the "slight good, more bad" bill |
| 01:08.33 | Aelie | he didnt topple mengsk |
| 01:08.42 | Aelie | the hybrids are still coming |
| 01:08.54 | Aelie | and he just ruined the only chance (they think) they have of stopping them |
| 01:09.13 | SoulTaker916_ | i would be scared of the hybrids |
| 01:09.14 | Vailreth | no he preserved the onlychance |
| 01:09.19 | SoulTaker916_ | if i didnt defeat accouple already |
| 01:09.23 | SoulTaker916_ | they should have made us lose |
| 01:09.23 | Aelie | Vailreth: depends |
| 01:09.39 | Aelie | just because you kill 1 |
| 01:09.46 | Aelie | doesnt mean you can kill 1000 |
| 01:09.50 | SoulTaker916_ | more than one |
| 01:09.52 | SoulTaker916_ | last level.. |
| 01:09.53 | Aelie | as the protoss campaign showed |
| 01:09.53 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 01:09.56 | SoulTaker916_ | of protoss |
| 01:10.08 | Aelie | i killed like 2500 enemies or something stupid |
| 01:10.11 | Aelie | but eventually you die |
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| 01:10.23 | SoulTaker916_ | well its liek a TD game |
| 01:10.32 | SoulTaker916_ | i survived that round on hard |
| 01:10.39 | SoulTaker916_ | uptill my minerals ran out |
| 01:10.41 | SoulTaker916_ | then i died |
| 01:10.59 | JademusSreg | Also, spoiler: the Xel'Naga are actually what are known as Titans in warcraft lore, and Sargeras is behind it all. |
| 01:11.11 | SoulTaker916_ | WTF... |
| 01:11.12 | Aelie | JademusSreg: if that is what happens |
| 01:11.12 | Vailreth | likely |
| 01:11.14 | SoulTaker916_ | .fk it |
| 01:11.17 | SoulTaker916_ | i quit sc |
| 01:11.20 | Aelie | i will laugh so hard |
| 01:11.22 | SoulTaker916_ | thats it |
| 01:11.24 | SoulTaker916_ | .... |
| 01:11.26 | Currydevil | lol |
| 01:11.30 | JademusSreg | The make it so obvious. |
| 01:11.34 | Aelie | if azeroth is just a random world in the galaxy |
| 01:11.34 | JademusSreg | *They |
| 01:11.43 | SoulTaker916_ | fking blizzard cant let wc stay wc |
| 01:11.49 | SoulTaker916_ | they had to go fuk with sc |
| 01:11.50 | SoulTaker916_ | ;/ |
| 01:12.00 | Vailreth | have you seen some of the hidden art in the beta? |
| 01:12.48 | Vailreth | starcraft2 is just warcraft3 in space minus Orcs |
| 01:13.23 | SoulTaker916_ | wc3 sucked the 1 and second were the worst games ever |
| 01:13.29 | SoulTaker916_ | the third was decent |
| 01:13.46 | SoulTaker916_ | im kinda ticked off they didnt expand on sc2 sooner |
| 01:13.52 | Aelie | ... |
| 01:14.04 | Aelie | you dont like the wc3 story? |
| 01:14.05 | SoulTaker916_ | histroicaly way better sells than wc on every turn |
| 01:14.17 | SoulTaker916_ | na game play failed compair to sc |
| 01:14.25 | Aelie | they tried something new |
| 01:14.30 | Vailreth | they need their time to half ass the expansion like they did WoL |
| 01:14.57 | Mephs | Get in it: http://www.livestream.com/mephssc |
| 01:15.13 | Aelie | i happen to like the hero system |
| 01:15.25 | SoulTaker916_ | i do also |
| 01:15.33 | Aelie | and it has smaller armies |
| 01:15.46 | SoulTaker916_ | but im so turned off to wc because of wc 1 and wc2 |
| 01:15.47 | Aelie | battles consist of 12-15 instead of 40-50 on each side |
| 01:15.55 | Aelie | i never even played them |
| 01:15.58 | Aelie | :P |
| 01:16.13 | SoulTaker916_ | and that blizzard doeesnt seem to like to touch sc |
| 01:16.15 | SoulTaker916_ | :/ |
| 01:16.16 | Vailreth | WC3 is my intro to Blizzard games |
| 01:16.22 | JademusSreg | Their modus operandi, their technology, even the names given to locations related to them, they all share obvious similarities. Ulaan, Ulnar in SC2, Uldaman, Uldis, Ulduar, Uldum in WoW. The magical-crystal technology they use. Their penchant for seeding worlds with life. |
| 01:17.05 | SoulTaker916_ | next think you know |
| 01:17.11 | SoulTaker916_ | diablo is a titan also |
| 01:17.18 | Aelie | JademusSreg: that last one isnt an uncommon concept in science fiction period |
| 01:17.22 | SoulTaker916_ | and the world stone is the magical crystal technology |
| 01:17.31 | JademusSreg | I am aware, Ael. |
| 01:17.49 | JademusSreg | Taker, they already jokingly alluded to as much in WC3. |
| 01:18.04 | Aelie | considering its likely that a lot fo the same writers work on both series |
| 01:18.12 | JademusSreg | The item tooltip for Wirt's Other Leg. |
| 01:18.57 | SoulTaker916_ | LOL |
| 01:18.58 | SoulTaker916_ | were? |
| 01:19.01 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 01:19.03 | SoulTaker916_ | lala |
| 01:19.05 | Currydevil | in WC3 |
| 01:19.06 | Vailreth | they are creating an Over universe that all of the games exist in |
| 01:19.13 | JademusSreg | In Outland, Taker. |
| 01:19.14 | SoulTaker916_ | i added the secrit cow level to Protect bobo |
| 01:19.15 | SoulTaker916_ | :P |
| 01:19.16 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 01:20.01 | SoulTaker916_ | how to i increase range of units in bunkers? |
| 01:20.27 | Vailreth | buff |
| 01:20.46 | SoulTaker916_ | how |
| 01:20.52 | SoulTaker916_ | do i apply the bugg? |
| 01:20.56 | SoulTaker916_ | buff* |
| 01:21.42 | Vailreth | in the transport ability there is a feild that lets you set a buff to be applied to the units inside the transport |
| 01:22.25 | Aelie | i dont think they will ever explicitly link the 3 series |
| 01:22.50 | SoulTaker916_ | i hope not |
| 01:22.56 | SoulTaker916_ | vail |
| 01:22.57 | Vailreth | no i dont think they will |
| 01:22.59 | Vailreth | either |
| 01:23.04 | SoulTaker916_ | i made a buff |
| 01:23.11 | SoulTaker916_ | do i attach a effect or sotmhing? |
| 01:23.57 | SoulTaker916_ | VAILY!!!! |
| 01:24.05 | Vailreth | no on the buff there is a field for weapon range |
| 01:25.16 | SoulTaker916_ | *lookign but doesnt see?* |
| 01:25.41 | Currydevil | behavior: modification: combat or weapon |
| 01:25.42 | SoulTaker916_ | nvm |
| 01:25.44 | SoulTaker916_ | founbd |
| 01:25.45 | SoulTaker916_ | iy |
| 01:26.02 | JademusSreg | Also, for people with a hard on for lore: http://www.wowwiki.com/Lore_Keeper_of_Norgannon#The_Lorekeeper.27s_Knowledge |
| 01:26.23 | SoulTaker916_ | aka only you |
| 01:26.27 | SoulTaker916_ | which now that i think out it |
| 01:26.41 | SoulTaker916_ | is disgusting that ur having a hardon in irc.. |
| 01:27.23 | SoulTaker916_ | .so |
| 01:27.32 | SoulTaker916_ | do i do weapon range 2? |
| 01:28.46 | SoulTaker916_ | 07Vailreth01 |
| 01:28.51 | SoulTaker916_ | 07JademusSreg01 |
| 01:28.56 | SoulTaker916_ | 07Currydevil01 |
| 01:29.03 | SoulTaker916_ | ill just ping people |
| 01:29.06 | Vailreth | nod idea |
| 01:29.09 | SoulTaker916_ | till somone is pissed |
| 01:29.11 | SoulTaker916_ | omg.. |
| 01:29.15 | SoulTaker916_ | well it says |
| 01:29.17 | Vailreth | no idea* |
| 01:29.18 | SoulTaker916_ | weapon range |
| 01:29.31 | SoulTaker916_ | but i duno if that will just make the new rank 2 or +2 |
| 01:32.42 | SoulTaker916_ | LOLZ!!! |
| 01:32.49 | SoulTaker916_ | there is already a range bonus on the bunker |
| 01:32.52 | SoulTaker916_ | EPIC fail |
| 01:50.12 | Mexa_ | ... uh, so that's an interesting thing. There's a thing called Slippies Boots, which you put in the microwave for 90s which will then keep your feet warm for about 2 hours |
| 01:50.17 | Mexa_ | Wtf, in the microwave? |
| 01:50.55 | Mexa_ | http://novella.omander-cdn.com/image/16c2fb2598f148f6c27cddad0b9f423f.jpg |
| 01:51.31 | SoulTaker916_ | when i attach a buff to a unit |
| 01:51.39 | SoulTaker916_ | shouldnt it show in the command card? |
| 01:55.56 | Vailreth | not unless you create a passive button lined to it |
| 01:56.08 | SoulTaker916_ | ah i c |
| 01:56.09 | SoulTaker916_ | hey |
| 01:56.20 | SoulTaker916_ | how do i make los boosters? |
| 01:57.29 | Vailreth | a buff with Unit Modification - sight Bonus |
| 01:57.39 | SoulTaker916_ | i mean |
| 01:57.42 | Vailreth | if you want them to see farther |
| 01:57.42 | SoulTaker916_ | like how grass |
| 01:57.46 | SoulTaker916_ | blocks line of site |
| 01:57.52 | SoulTaker916_ | well if the unit can see this object |
| 01:58.01 | SoulTaker916_ | it will increase his line of sight |
| 01:58.05 | SoulTaker916_ | in that direction? |
| 01:58.15 | Vailreth | hm |
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| 01:59.08 | SoulTaker916_ | cause |
| 01:59.13 | SoulTaker916_ | i have a darkness effect |
| 01:59.25 | SoulTaker916_ | were all units lose -3 sight at night |
| 01:59.31 | SoulTaker916_ | but there are loads of objects |
| 01:59.34 | SoulTaker916_ | which have light |
| 01:59.37 | SoulTaker916_ | and cast light |
| 01:59.53 | SoulTaker916_ | i want units to get a vision bonus from them |
| 02:00.51 | Vailreth | let me try something |
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| 02:36.17 | Vailreth | ok soul i have some what of an answere for you |
| 02:36.26 | Ashamed | lies |
| 02:36.33 | Ashamed | vail lies |
| 02:36.39 | Vailreth | har har |
| 02:38.10 | Vailreth | LOL |
| 02:38.15 | SoulTaker916_ | DAMNIT |
| 02:38.17 | SoulTaker916_ | >.> |
| 02:38.18 | SoulTaker916_ | <.< |
| 02:38.26 | SoulTaker916_ | ;p; |
| 02:38.27 | SoulTaker916_ | lol |
| 02:38.28 | SoulTaker916_ | sup? |
| 02:38.47 | Vailreth | you can create periodic events that can unfog a radius |
| 02:39.32 | SoulTaker916_ | thats good |
| 02:39.38 | SoulTaker916_ | but i need to link it to a unit |
| 02:42.03 | Vailreth | well you could experiment with a buff that creates the effect |
| 02:42.08 | Vailreth | and maybe make it neutral |
| 02:42.26 | Vailreth | not sure of that can be done though |
| 02:45.31 | timecat | diablo 3 pretty fun eh |
| 02:45.44 | Vailreth | i wouldnt knw |
| 02:45.51 | timecat | mm |
| 02:45.54 | timecat | my roommate got in to the beta |
| 02:46.57 | Vailreth | e |
| 02:47.07 | Vailreth | nice |
| 02:49.25 | Vailreth | you may just have to trigger it eh |
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| 03:00.22 | Aelie | Unit - Set (Damaging unit) Bounty (Terrazine) to (((Damaging unit) Bounty (Terrazine) (Current)) + (Triggering damage amount)) |
| 03:00.22 | Aelie | General - If (Conditions) then do (Actions) else do (Actions) |
| 03:00.22 | Aelie | If |
| 03:00.22 | Aelie | ((Damaging unit) Bounty (Terrazine) (Current)) > 500000.0 |
| 03:00.22 | Aelie | Then |
| 03:00.22 | Aelie | Unit - Set (Damaging unit) Bounty (Custom) to (((Damaging unit) Bounty (Custom) (Current)) + 1.0) |
| 03:00.23 | Aelie | Unit - Set (Damaging unit) Bounty (Terrazine) to (((Damaging unit) Bounty (Terrazine) (Current)) - 500000.0) |
| 03:00.23 | Aelie | Else |
| 03:00.27 | Aelie | why doesnt this work |
| 03:01.51 | Aelie | it completely skipped over the then |
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| 03:02.24 | Keyeszx | Is it wrong to have put down a couple of bible club people trying to ask me to join? |
| 03:03.12 | Keyeszx | Everytime I come on I see someone new with @ next to their name |
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| 03:04.09 | Aelie | ? |
| 03:04.19 | Aelie | those two lines are unrelated |
| 03:04.21 | Aelie | huh |
| 03:04.41 | Keyeszx | which two lines? you mean the bible club and the @? |
| 03:04.53 | Keyeszx | ya unrelated completely just a little ADD I guess :D |
| 03:05.34 | Keyeszx | I wish they would send out more knowledgable people for the bible club, if they're just lowly people why should I listen to them |
| 03:05.41 | Keyeszx | well later |
| 03:24.44 | Aelie | god |
| 03:24.55 | Aelie | blizzard and their goddamn short floats are pissing me off |
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| 03:35.49 | SoulTaker916_ | damnit |
| 03:35.50 | SoulTaker916_ | Vail!!! |
| 03:35.58 | ________________ | funy |
| 03:36.04 | ________________ | uou were saying that when I left too |
| 03:36.06 | ________________ | you* |
| 03:36.22 | ________________ | ~sexi |
| 03:36.26 | ________________ | ~sexy |
| 03:36.27 | purl | "I'm bringing sexy back..." |
| 03:36.30 | ________________ | ~yea |
| 03:36.34 | ________________ | booo |
| 03:36.38 | ________________ | ~yeah |
| 03:36.38 | purl | http://churchturing.org/x/yeah.mp3 |
| 03:36.42 | ________________ | ther we go |
| 03:44.55 | Vailreth | yes? |
| 03:45.42 | Currydevil | Oh boy .. so my unit has a facing of 225 and now my offsets are messed up =( |
| 03:45.55 | Currydevil | instead of being a square, they are in a diamond. |
| 03:46.20 | Vailreth | time for maths |
| 03:46.43 | Currydevil | yeah I have to redo my offsets =X |
| 03:46.52 | Currydevil | math or graph paper. |
| 03:48.29 | Aelie | finally |
| 03:48.36 | Aelie | i squashed the real bug |
| 03:49.55 | Aelie | leaderboards can progress past 524k now |
| 03:54.06 | Currydevil | I failed math. now i can't remember how to plot some points. hah |
| 03:55.09 | SoulTaker916_ | highschool? |
| 03:55.45 | Currydevil | must have been. i just don't retain math period |
| 03:55.59 | Currydevil | i passed but i've forgotten it all lol |
| 03:56.40 | Currydevil | my points are now at a 225 degree facing, i need to take that into account to find the new points to make it a sqaure again |
| 03:56.43 | SoulTaker916_ | i just glad i dont need to know any tangent lines to a curve in galaxy |
| 03:58.42 | Aelie | anyone want to play gem td |
| 04:00.39 | SoulTaker916_ | im busy with database work |
| 04:15.11 | Dustin | Aelie |
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| 04:15.18 | Dustin | Did nathan and I disconnect? |
| 04:17.14 | SoulTaker916_ | what hsould i get my gf for her birthday |
| 04:17.15 | SoulTaker916_ | :/ |
| 04:18.37 | Currydevil | man my offsets are even worse now. lol |
| 04:30.24 | Currydevil | grrr, unit facing screwed me up |
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| 04:40.46 | Currydevil | my offsets are skewed =( |
| 04:40.49 | Currydevil | bad |
| 04:40.57 | SoulTaker916_ | lol |
| 04:40.59 | SoulTaker916_ | learn to math |
| 04:41.00 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 04:41.15 | Currydevil | graph paper ftw |
| 04:41.31 | Currydevil | i'm double checking them, there's no reason for them to be showing up the way they are |
| 04:41.32 | SoulTaker916_ | r u using math |
| 04:41.34 | SoulTaker916_ | to offset |
| 04:41.40 | SoulTaker916_ | or just plugging numbers |
| 04:41.51 | SoulTaker916_ | i think ur issue |
| 04:41.55 | SoulTaker916_ | is the point of origin |
| 04:42.11 | SoulTaker916_ | point of origin is based off of were u set the relative |
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| 04:42.42 | SoulTaker916_ | ~seen ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:42.43 | purl | scytheblade1 is currently on #utah (23s), last said: 'social networks are weird :/'. |
| 04:42.50 | Currydevil | i'm not setting any relative, wtf are you talking about >.< |
| 04:43.06 | SoulTaker916_ | yes u are fool |
| 04:43.11 | SoulTaker916_ | when u make dialog items |
| 04:43.18 | SoulTaker916_ | u must place them relative |
| 04:43.24 | Currydevil | no body said anything about dialog items. |
| 04:43.30 | Currydevil | I know how to do a dialog. |
| 04:43.36 | Currydevil | i'm doing data. |
| 04:43.42 | SoulTaker916_ | if u say set dialog button 200,50 with a offset of 50,50 to the TOP LEFT |
| 04:43.47 | SoulTaker916_ | big change |
| 04:43.52 | Currydevil | I'm NOT doing dialogs. |
| 04:43.54 | SoulTaker916_ | oh |
| 04:43.54 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 04:43.56 | SoulTaker916_ | lolz. |
| 04:43.57 | SoulTaker916_ | mybad |
| 04:44.12 | Agouti | The trigger Add Charge Used For Unit Ability has stopped working entirely for me in 1.4 |
| 04:44.14 | Agouti | I think it is broken |
| 04:44.15 | SoulTaker916_ | who was doing dialogs then? |
| 04:44.18 | Currydevil | not I |
| 04:44.25 | Agouti | could someone else confirm for me? |
| 04:44.36 | SoulTaker916_ | not i |
| 04:44.36 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 04:44.47 | SoulTaker916_ | alot of stuff stoped working right in the new patch |
| 04:44.47 | Currydevil | i'm using a create persistent.. and my structure is the center ;) using graph paper to plot my offsets. |
| 04:44.48 | SoulTaker916_ | like |
| 04:44.55 | SoulTaker916_ | i cant seem to get pick player |
| 04:44.56 | SoulTaker916_ | to work |
| 04:45.02 | Currydevil | sorry Agouti, I have nothing to test that on right now =( |
| 04:45.05 | SoulTaker916_ | pich each player from group and*** |
| 04:45.32 | Agouti | I have had that randomly not work |
| 04:46.04 | Agouti | not every time but every now and then |
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| 04:47.06 | Agouti | god SC2's RNG is so bad |
| 04:47.48 | Agouti | I need a random number between 0 and 8 |
| 04:48.21 | Agouti | and it was so badly weighted just generating between those 2 points I've been trying to figure out something better |
| 04:48.39 | Agouti | so I've got it making a number between 0 and somethign huge then mod8'ing it |
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| 04:49.16 | Agouti | after 60 odd samples it has 51 on 0 |
| 04:49.27 | Agouti | literally 51/60 = 0 |
| 04:51.20 | Agouti | it's giving out runs like 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 6 |
| 04:53.45 | Currydevil | either my (4,0) offset is plotting like (6,0) or my offsets at (1,1) etc are in too close |
| 05:05.41 | Agouti | I haven't had problems with small offsets |
| 05:05.55 | Agouti | could it be using the unit radius or something like that? |
| 05:06.29 | Aelie | Agouti: ive not had issues |
| 05:06.39 | Aelie | i just use random integer between 1 and 8 |
| 05:06.43 | Aelie | and 0-7 |
| 05:06.50 | Agouti | can you do somethign for me? |
| 05:07.05 | Agouti | can you quickly put a trigger together to test the distribution? |
| 05:08.05 | Agouti | I use an array |
| 05:08.10 | Agouti | loop a thousand times |
| 05:08.25 | Agouti | array[RNG] += 1 |
| 05:08.33 | Aelie | agouti |
| 05:08.34 | Agouti | then print out the array contents |
| 05:08.40 | Agouti | it's very badly weighted |
| 05:08.41 | Aelie | it works jsut fine |
| 05:08.47 | Agouti | it does not. |
| 05:08.49 | Aelie | i dont get strange runs like you |
| 05:08.54 | Aelie | my entire game is random |
| 05:08.57 | Agouti | the runs |
| 05:09.09 | Agouti | are because I am experimenting |
| 05:09.28 | Agouti | it might not get runs with (0,8) but it is still badly weighted |
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| 05:10.58 | Aelie | i havent found that to be true |
| 05:11.15 | Currydevil | i dunno what it's using |
| 05:11.42 | Currydevil | it was working before when i used a 2x2 missile turret with a north/south facing |
| 05:11.54 | Currydevil | it may be because the unit is 2x3? facing 225 |
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| 05:12.18 | Currydevil | nvm it's a 4x4 |
| 05:12.34 | Agouti | itf it has a footprint that shouldn't affect it |
| 05:12.46 | Agouti | I was thinking it might be offset by unit radius |
| 05:12.51 | Currydevil | hmm |
| 05:13.15 | Currydevil | that wouldn't explain the inside ring being too close i don't think =( but i'll check it out. |
| 05:13.23 | Currydevil | i'll mess with radius and see what I get |
| 05:14.38 | Currydevil | Hmm radius seems to have no effect |
| 05:15.17 | Agouti | if the unit has a footprint radius should probably be 0 anyway |
| 05:16.04 | Currydevil | i've heard footprint overrides radius, but i made it 0 for kicks. |
| 05:16.05 | Currydevil | lol |
| 05:16.10 | Agouti | well, the distribution for random integer (0,8) isn't TOO bad |
| 05:16.24 | Agouti | between 8% and 14% |
| 05:16.30 | Currydevil | Seems niether footprint and radius both do not affect the offsets. |
| 05:16.54 | Agouti | but if you go random (0, 8000) mod 8 you see HUGE weightings |
| 05:17.33 | Agouti | there is a flag for the radius "offset by unit radius" |
| 05:17.42 | Agouti | as long as it isn't messing with it that is all that matters |
| 05:18.17 | Currydevil | I just set the facing fall back to unknown, i think it might have fixed it |
| 05:18.27 | Currydevil | but i have to go reset my points to the original offsets now to see |
| 05:19.02 | Currydevil | where is that flag? on the persistent? |
| 05:19.04 | Currydevil | or unit? |
| 05:19.56 | Agouti | facing fallback is what is uses to figure out which way is forwards aka which way the y axis points |
| 05:20.07 | Currydevil | that's all i needed then |
| 05:20.16 | Currydevil | but the problem after i changed my points was weird |
| 05:20.35 | Currydevil | on my graph paper the points made a perfect square at a 225 degree facing |
| 05:20.47 | Currydevil | in game though, they were all messed up, and bunched together in weird spots. |
| 05:24.46 | Agouti | it could be the facing |
| 05:24.48 | Currydevil | yay |
| 05:25.04 | Currydevil | yeah, it was.. but i shifted my axis on my paper to match the facing |
| 05:25.08 | Currydevil | it still looked off in game. |
| 05:25.11 | Agouti | I also yay |
| 05:25.18 | Agouti | improved my weighting |
| 05:25.20 | Currydevil | anyways, the fallback facing fixed me. |
| 05:25.26 | Agouti | and there are far less streaks |
| 05:25.41 | Agouti | well, streaks weren't really the problem |
| 05:26.08 | Agouti | the weighting that was the problem was not "after 1000 RNGs" |
| 05:26.18 | Agouti | it was "the first RNG is consistantly [blah]" |
| 05:27.49 | JademusSreg | You wrote an RNG? |
| 05:27.51 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:28.50 | Agouti | weeelll |
| 05:28.56 | Agouti | lazy RNG |
| 05:29.10 | JademusSreg | I've got a pretty lazy algorithmic RNG. |
| 05:29.18 | JademusSreg | But very effective. |
| 05:29.20 | Agouti | in that it does a whole bunch of maths stuff using RandomInt(min, max) then mods it |
| 05:29.45 | Agouti | but seriously, the weighting for randomint(0,32000)mod8 was like 70% to 0 |
| 05:30.00 | Agouti | that is bad :/ |
| 05:30.08 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/SuperMapPOC.SC2Map |
| 05:30.52 | JademusSreg | Keep in mind I made that map a long time ago, so if seems a little primitive, pardon. |
| 05:30.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:31.09 | JademusSreg | But it uses a very simple algorithmic RNG. |
| 05:32.02 | JademusSreg | I've never had any problems with it, except with a seed of 0. |
| 05:32.03 | Agouti | looks tidy |
| 05:32.20 | Agouti | You mean PRand ? |
| 05:32.26 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 05:33.04 | Agouti | TIL galaxy supports bitwise operations |
| 05:33.09 | Agouti | I didn't think it did |
| 05:33.20 | JademusSreg | TIL? |
| 05:33.24 | Agouti | today I learned |
| 05:33.27 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 05:33.28 | Agouti | ;) |
| 05:33.29 | JademusSreg | Yes. =D |
| 05:33.47 | Agouti | I might give yours a go, I think |
| 05:33.55 | JademusSreg | By all means. |
| 05:34.35 | JademusSreg | It uses two seed values only because I needed the seeds to represent X Y coords of a super map. |
| 05:35.09 | Agouti | wait... return AbsI(ModI(RNG(), max - min) + min) |
| 05:35.14 | JademusSreg | You can just set Y to 65535. |
| 05:35.16 | Agouti | that won't |
| 05:35.24 | Agouti | ever return max, will it? |
| 05:35.40 | Agouti | mod (#, 7) returns a number from 0 to 6 |
| 05:35.48 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:41.47 | Mexa_ | Agouti, are you sure your random seed is just set to fixed? |
| 05:41.52 | Mexa_ | *something fixed |
| 05:42.16 | Mexa_ | Since there is an editor setting that suggests so |
| 05:42.28 | Agouti | hmm |
| 05:42.39 | Mexa_ | That might explain your biased results |
| 05:43.12 | Mexa_ | I eman if they results are biased |
| 05:43.27 | Agouti | that could well be i |
| 05:43.29 | Agouti | it |
| 05:43.30 | Agouti | * |
| 05:43.39 | Agouti | I hadn't seen that option before |
| 05:43.42 | Agouti | where do I find it? |
| 05:44.09 | Mexa_ | Preferences->Test Document-> Uncheck "Use Fixed Random Seed" |
| 05:44.24 | Agouti | no, that is disabled |
| 05:44.30 | Mexa_ | I see |
| 05:44.37 | Agouti | but I think the random seed in MP is based on the account # |
| 05:44.45 | Agouti | and something else |
| 05:45.01 | Mexa_ | It's rather more obvious it is based on the time |
| 05:45.15 | Agouti | becuase particular players get the same results from the RNG |
| 05:45.28 | Agouti | for example, the first call to the RNG is for selecting a random unit |
| 05:45.34 | Agouti | at the start |
| 05:45.48 | Agouti | particular players will get the same unit 80% of the time |
| 05:45.53 | Mexa_ | If the seed was based on an account #, then each player would desync. |
| 05:45.54 | Agouti | or long runs of the same unit |
| 05:46.06 | Agouti | yes, didn't think that one through too well. |
| 05:46.18 | Mexa_ | And the game would not be randomized in a good way |
| 05:46.43 | Agouti | you are quite correct, in that the seed is the same for every player and is set at the start of the game |
| 05:46.45 | Mexa_ | That would mean that even in singleplayer on battle.net, the seed would be the same |
| 05:46.48 | Mexa_ | Which it's not |
| 05:46.58 | Agouti | otherwise each player would get a different result when they executed the code |
| 05:47.03 | Mexa_ | yes |
| 05:47.06 | Agouti | which would desync |
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| 05:47.34 | Mexa_ | There's more of a reason to have a seed based on time |
| 05:47.46 | Agouti | I will say though that their RNG is heavily weighted to multiples of 8 for large numbers |
| 05:47.47 | Mexa_ | The network could as well just send this seed value to all players |
| 05:48.09 | Mexa_ | Is that so? |
| 05:48.13 | Agouti | is for me |
| 05:48.29 | Mexa_ | How many times did you iterate? |
| 05:48.33 | Mexa_ | And between what? |
| 05:48.34 | Agouti | 1000 |
| 05:48.40 | Agouti | between 0 and 32000 |
| 05:48.53 | Mexa_ | And RandomInt, right? |
| 05:49.06 | Agouti | randomint(0,32000)%8 |
| 05:49.13 | Mexa_ | why modulus? |
| 05:49.31 | Agouti | because it will show weighting on multiples of 8 |
| 05:49.39 | Agouti | in that there will be a lot of results at 0 |
| 05:50.02 | Mexa_ | Run the test more than once too |
| 05:51.16 | Agouti | i might do that |
| 05:51.26 | Agouti | a couple of different SC2 instances aka seeds |
| 05:51.49 | Mexa_ | ._. You can't base your claims on a test not even verified on several tries |
| 05:52.13 | Agouti | that it was weighted even once on one seed is enough to say that it isn't a good RNG in my mind |
| 05:52.46 | Mexa_ | You shouldn't think that way |
| 05:54.40 | Mexa_ | Also, saying that it's not randomized due to it appearing to be modulus 8, is pretty vague |
| 05:54.47 | Mexa_ | It has 32000 value to choose from... |
| 05:54.57 | Mexa_ | And you only iterate 1000 times |
| 05:55.05 | Mexa_ | *values |
| 05:59.08 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 05:59.15 | Mexa_ | I disagreed with you |
| 06:00.33 | Mexa_ | My results: [0] 117, [1] 123, [2] 124, [3] 122, [4] 116, [5] 123, [6] 117, [7] 118 |
| 06:00.40 | Mexa_ | Reasonable number |
| 06:00.43 | Mexa_ | *numbers |
| 06:00.50 | Mexa_ | Agouti |
| 06:01.14 | Agouti | yeah that is a reasonable spread |
| 06:01.26 | Mexa_ | Problem solved, nothing wrong with their seed ;D |
| 06:01.36 | Agouti | :P |
| 06:01.56 | Mexa_ | And even other tries gave more "exact" results |
| 06:01.58 | Agouti | the whole reason I started doing this was because of weightings over short runs |
| 06:02.06 | Agouti | which yes are not as accurate |
| 06:02.10 | Mexa_ | You say? |
| 06:02.24 | Agouti | well I was playing with the random unit maker |
| 06:02.25 | Mexa_ | What if I iterate between 0 and 8, 1000 times? |
| 06:02.41 | Agouti | and I was getting spreads like 16, 16, 15, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2 |
| 06:02.47 | Agouti | no, short runs |
| 06:03.01 | Mexa_ | short runes? |
| 06:03.01 | Agouti | and yes it isn't exactly accurate given the run is like 50 long |
| 06:03.03 | Mexa_ | *runs |
| 06:03.05 | Agouti | but even still |
| 06:03.16 | Mexa_ | Short runs means, less iterations or what? |
| 06:03.19 | Agouti | yes |
| 06:03.23 | Agouti | as in 50 iterations |
| 06:03.28 | Agouti | as at the time I was doing it by hand |
| 06:03.35 | Agouti | as in click the button 50 times count the units |
| 06:03.46 | Mexa_ | The less iterations, the less will the accuracy be |
| 06:03.53 | Agouti | and it was weighting like that every time I did it |
| 06:04.18 | Agouti | then I changed it to randmint(0,32000)%8 |
| 06:04.29 | Agouti | and I got 51/60 as 1 particular unit |
| 06:04.35 | Agouti | which corresponded to unit 0 |
| 06:04.44 | Mexa_ | huh |
| 06:04.49 | Agouti | yah |
| 06:04.51 | Mexa_ | So |
| 06:04.58 | Mexa_ | Your problem is rather, integer division? |
| 06:05.18 | Mexa_ | 51/60 is 0 |
| 06:05.23 | Agouti | no |
| 06:05.23 | Mexa_ | since they both are ints |
| 06:05.25 | Mexa_ | Yes |
| 06:05.31 | Agouti | as in 51 out of 60 units were number 0 |
| 06:05.36 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 06:05.37 | Mexa_ | Okay |
| 06:05.38 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 06:06.30 | Mexa_ | well |
| 06:06.45 | Mexa_ | Iterating 50 times, gave certainly less accurate results |
| 06:06.49 | Mexa_ | But that is to be expected |
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| 06:07.38 | Agouti | yes, don't expect much in the way of distribution |
| 06:07.47 | Mexa_ | As far as I know, that isn't a sc2 problem |
| 06:07.49 | Agouti | but even still the weightings were pretty bad |
| 06:08.05 | Agouti | if I flip a coin 50 times I don't expect to get 44 heads |
| 06:08.08 | Mexa_ | Computers don't give accurate results on small iteration, with random |
| 06:08.10 | Mexa_ | Also |
| 06:08.14 | Mexa_ | It isn't random anyways |
| 06:08.18 | Mexa_ | Just psuedorandom |
| 06:08.33 | Agouti | which is the problem ;) |
| 06:08.42 | Agouti | but there are good RNG's and bad RNG's |
| 06:08.50 | Agouti | also fast and slow |
| 06:08.57 | Mexa_ | perhaps so then:P |
| 06:09.00 | Agouti | and I suspect SC2's is set up to be very fast |
| 06:09.33 | Mexa_ | Ont he other hand |
| 06:09.41 | Mexa_ | You still canät just compare one run |
| 06:09.57 | Mexa_ | You'd need to take an average, on per say, 50 seeds |
| 06:10.10 | Mexa_ | And then you'd actually see if it's somewhat good or not. |
| 06:10.26 | Agouti | perhaps, but it isn't used to generate averages |
| 06:10.33 | Agouti | it's only used in short runs |
| 06:10.43 | Mexa_ | No, but each time someone is playing your map, there will be a seed |
| 06:10.57 | Mexa_ | And there will be good seeds, and bad seeds, no matter how you twist and turn it |
| 06:11.04 | Agouti | so in the end I don't care if it's weighted over 1000 iterations I only really care if it's sufficiently random for the small runs in which it's used |
| 06:11.42 | Mexa_ | Analysing a worst case scenario, which would happend very few times of the runs |
| 06:11.54 | Mexa_ | But yeah, if you can do it better, do it |
| 06:11.57 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 06:11.58 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 06:12.18 | Agouti | haha |
| 06:12.24 | Mexa_ | Also though |
| 06:12.38 | Mexa_ | It would be silly of Blizzard to make their own randomizer |
| 06:12.49 | Mexa_ | All they have to do is to use the standard library for C/C++ |
| 06:13.46 | Mexa_ | Oh but anyways, it's getting early |
| 06:13.53 | Agouti | good point |
| 06:13.59 | Agouti | not for me :D |
| 06:14.03 | Agouti | timezones, biatches |
| 06:14.03 | Mexa_ | ;) |
| 06:14.08 | Mexa_ | :P |
| 06:14.19 | Mexa_ | still very late on the night for you, isn't it? |
| 06:14.19 | Agouti | sleep well o mighty mexa |
| 06:14.23 | Agouti | 3pm |
| 06:14.25 | Mexa_ | like, 2AM= |
| 06:14.26 | Agouti | 4pm* |
| 06:14.27 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 06:14.28 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 06:14.38 | Mexa_ | Australia? |
| 06:14.39 | Agouti | +10 here |
| 06:14.42 | Agouti | yup |
| 06:14.46 | Mexa_ | ah |
| 06:14.51 | Mexa_ | Oh well yeah |
| 06:14.55 | Mexa_ | EU, so:P |
| 06:15.06 | Mexa_ | Anyways, seeya! |
| 06:15.09 | Currydevil | EU? what part if it's 2am? |
| 06:15.15 | Mexa_ | nah |
| 06:15.16 | Agouti | well, technically you could be in EU and the same timezone as me |
| 06:15.23 | Mexa_ | It's past 8AM |
| 06:15.23 | Agouti | I think... |
| 06:15.27 | Currydevil | ohhh |
| 06:15.28 | Currydevil | ok |
| 06:15.30 | Agouti | without a globe infront of me |
| 06:15.37 | Currydevil | was about to say, 2am is east coast NA |
| 06:15.39 | Mexa_ | I was guessing Agouti's time:P |
| 06:15.45 | Currydevil | lol |
| 06:15.50 | Agouti | and without derping about ruski |
| 06:16.01 | Agouti | which is part of the EU? right? >_> |
| 06:16.08 | Mexa_ | Ruski? |
| 06:16.10 | Mexa_ | Russia? |
| 06:16.12 | Agouti | russia |
| 06:16.16 | Currydevil | it's not part of asia ;) |
| 06:16.16 | Mexa_ | Well |
| 06:16.26 | Currydevil | it's the middle man. |
| 06:16.46 | Agouti | are parts of the old USSR considered part of EU? |
| 06:16.51 | Mexa_ | It's enormous majority is still covering the greater part of Asia. |
| 06:16.56 | Mexa_ | *its |
| 06:17.08 | Mexa_ | Well |
| 06:17.21 | Mexa_ | I don't remember what USSR was split to |
| 06:17.26 | Mexa_ | apart from Russia |
| 06:17.30 | Agouti | so, where is the border between EU and asia up north? |
| 06:17.58 | Agouti | er, czech republick |
| 06:18.18 | Mexa_ | Oh, there's alot of countries split from USSR which is a part of europe, and not. |
| 06:18.26 | Currydevil | probably right down the middile of what was USSR |
| 06:18.40 | Agouti | Ukrain |
| 06:18.51 | Mexa_ | I recall you split europe and asia between the uralus mountains |
| 06:19.06 | Mexa_ | *ural |
| 06:19.07 | Agouti | actually yeah looking at a globe what was once the USSR includes a lot of what is EU |
| 06:19.09 | Agouti | now |
| 06:19.37 | Agouti | I think anyway |
| 06:19.46 | Agouti | never did pay much attention back in school |
| 06:19.52 | Agouti | at least to geography |
| 06:20.18 | Mexa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russland_topo.png see the mountainchain in the left of Russia |
| 06:20.37 | Mexa_ | Between Moskau and Omsk |
| 06:20.37 | Mexa_ | kind of |
| 06:20.48 | Agouti | mmm |
| 06:21.46 | Mexa_ | ut oh wells |
| 06:21.49 | Mexa_ | Wups |
| 06:21.59 | Mexa_ | Good morning anyways and seeya |
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| 06:44.26 | Aelie | anyone around for a test? |
| 06:54.58 | JademusSreg | Time for me to sleep. |
| 06:56.30 | Currydevil | Right, so my unit with the move ability doesn't have it in game =( |
| 06:57.24 | Currydevil | nor does it have another ability i added to it =( |
| 06:58.17 | Currydevil | time to check flags |
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| 07:46.29 | Currydevil | would be nice if behaviors had an initial delay like persistents =O |
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| 08:07.20 | Agouti | Currydevil: you can emulate it without too many objects, but you probably know that |
| 08:22.36 | Currydevil | i know, i could just .. not have it attached to the building to start with, and just apply it later |
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| 08:57.27 | Currydevil | Hm, any ideas why my modify unit effect is not using charges on an ability? =( |
| 08:57.43 | Currydevil | I've used them to refund charges just fine, but I can't seem to reverse the effect. |
| 09:00.15 | Currydevil | Or i've just got the wrong ability linked >.> who bloody well knows with this map i'm working on hahahahaha. |
| 09:06.47 | Agouti | Currydevil: modifying charges with that effect has (at least before 1.4) been next to impossible |
| 09:07.02 | Currydevil | Well, it works for refunding a charge. |
| 09:07.04 | Agouti | now, a question of my own: WHY IS REVIVE SO BADLY BROKEN |
| 09:07.11 | Agouti | WHHHYYY |
| 09:07.11 | Currydevil | But it doesn't seem to use a charge |
| 09:07.25 | Currydevil | lol, I have no idea, it seems to work for us. At least, I think he used revive for the hero. |
| 09:07.37 | Agouti | I have progressed. |
| 09:07.50 | Agouti | Now, however, revive will only work once the hero has been built twice |
| 09:07.56 | Agouti | so first death, no revive, just build |
| 09:08.02 | Agouti | second death, then it works |
| 09:08.22 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:08.32 | Agouti | the trigger to use a charge doesn't work for charges stored on abilities |
| 09:08.37 | Agouti | might be connected |
| 09:12.54 | Currydevil | hmm |
| 09:16.27 | Currydevil | I suppose I should make a direct ability to test that effect first before assuming it won't work with my setup >.> just incase i'm not doing it right lol |
| 09:23.50 | Currydevil | Oh it works now.. I must be doing it wrong with my effect chain =O |
| 09:29.41 | Currydevil | saweet it works! |
| 09:33.20 | Agouti | yay! |
| 09:33.32 | Agouti | now please wave your wand and make my revive behave |
| 09:34.10 | Agouti | whoever thought linking a revive to a unit via it's button should be shot |
| 09:36.50 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:36.56 | Currydevil | the button on the right side of the screen? |
| 09:37.05 | Currydevil | or what? the training button? |
| 09:41.35 | Agouti | unless I have this seriously confused |
| 09:41.40 | Agouti | if you have a revive ability |
| 09:41.50 | Agouti | the way it is linked to the actual unit it has to revive |
| 09:42.00 | Agouti | is by the button you set for it |
| 09:42.08 | Agouti | which has to be the same as the button used to train the unit |
| 09:44.45 | Currydevil | oh fun |
| 09:44.57 | Currydevil | ]I haven't played with revive abilities in quite a while. |
| 09:55.58 | Agouti | actually, it's worse than that |
| 09:56.15 | Agouti | ANY revive ability can revive ANY unit flagged as Hero |
| 09:56.33 | Agouti | it seems |
| 09:57.48 | Currydevil | ah |
| 10:01.15 | Agouti | the only purpose of the commands in the revive ability are to let you set requirements |
| 10:25.59 | Agouti | wtf |
| 10:26.04 | Agouti | I don't understand |
| 10:26.22 | Agouti | what flags a unit as revivable |
| 10:26.29 | Agouti | to show up in revive abilities |
| 10:26.57 | Agouti | and thus stay showing in the hero icon area when killed |
| 10:27.14 | Agouti | I can't remember what I did to make the units that are revivable, revivable |
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| 11:17.58 | Currydevil | Hmm, run into another problem. when building my structures, I can get the terran build anim to play, but the building is already fully built when I start. Any idea what field controls the showing of the finished building? =X |
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| 11:29.33 | Currydevil | nvm right in front of me |
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| 11:52.55 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 11:53.35 | Currydevil | hmm, I need an invisible model so my build doesn't give me error message because I set Model (Build) to none >.< |
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| 11:54.40 | Ashamed | good morning |
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| 11:58.21 | Helral|Work | invisible.m3 |
| 11:59.10 | Helral|Work | Currydevil: that model I mentioned above exists. :) |
| 11:59.39 | Currydevil | I do see, thanks =D |
| 11:59.41 | FockeWulf | wha? |
| 11:59.46 | FockeWulf | what does the kitty say? |
| 11:59.48 | Currydevil | well, i don't see... lol |
| 11:59.55 | Currydevil | I mean, yes.. of course. |
| 12:03.12 | FockeWulf | So I heard D3 kinda rolled over on it's side and flopped like a fish. |
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| 12:42.17 | A1win | is there a simple way to temporarily disable a unit from attacking anyone? |
| 12:45.28 | A1win | a behavior I guess... |
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| 12:59.32 | egod | LOL OMG Dustin, they added the HOMM map on front page of sc2mapster, that made my day! hahahahahahaha what a joke |
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| 13:27.52 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 13:32.00 | Ashamed | MEOW |
| 13:37.35 | FockeWulf | lol |
| 13:37.42 | FockeWulf | hey helral have you seen the models I've been working on? |
| 13:41.24 | JademusSreg | Time to hook up the new modem. bbl |
| 13:56.11 | Clord | "this discussion is interesting, please tell more" |
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| 13:56.47 | Clord | "sorry my lord, but discussion is in the another channel" |
| 13:56.50 | Clord | etc meh |
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| 14:05.38 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
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| 14:07.57 | Ashamed | oh shiz |
| 14:08.01 | Ashamed | who is playing bf3 beta? |
| 14:14.58 | Ashamed | everyone apperntly |
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| 14:21.38 | egod | not me, im playing: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the past |
| 14:24.45 | JademusSreg | Not me, Ash. |
| 14:24.51 | JademusSreg | Doesn't seem interesting to me. |
| 14:25.52 | JademusSreg | Trying out the new modem; wish there were people on this early playing Photon Cycles. =D |
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| 14:50.36 | Ashamed | jade how fast your connection now? |
| 14:51.00 | Ashamed | i got a new modem like 1 month ago |
| 14:51.05 | Ashamed | and now i am at 30 mbs :) |
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| 14:57.35 | Dustin | Downloading Battelfield 3 beta |
| 15:03.25 | Hati | Dustin: congrats on origin infection :P |
| 15:03.49 | Dustin | Ya this program is shit |
| 15:03.56 | Hati | uber shit |
| 15:04.01 | Dustin | Soon as im done with this beta testi m uninstalling :P |
| 15:04.12 | Hati | they even tell you that you are not allowed to sue them |
| 15:04.15 | Hati | in their Terms of Usage |
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| 15:04.32 | egod | origin infection? what is this |
| 15:04.41 | Hati | origin = EA steam but worse |
| 15:05.23 | egod | i see |
| 15:05.32 | egod | you all playing pew pew btf3 |
| 15:06.32 | Hati | i already played it |
| 15:06.43 | Hati | without origin i would do it actually |
| 15:07.37 | JademusSreg | I average 24 Mbps. |
| 15:07.52 | JademusSreg | (3 Mbps upload) |
| 15:10.16 | Hati | JademusSreg: http://www.pagguild.com/files/epeen.gif ? |
| 15:11.35 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:11.43 | JademusSreg | Naw, Ash asked. |
| 15:14.17 | Clord | what I saw from Totalhalibut's videos in youtube |
| 15:14.21 | Clord | Battlefield 3 outside combat |
| 15:14.25 | Clord | is lightyears ahead of |
| 15:14.29 | Clord | CoD |
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| 15:15.30 | Clord | PC owners also get more in multiplayer than console players XD |
| 15:15.52 | Clord | like those sweet huge maps to fight on and 64 player support |
| 15:16.13 | Hati | why play battlefield anyway on a console ... |
| 15:16.31 | Hati | and iam not talking about bad company stuff |
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| 15:20.11 | JademusSreg | I've never played CoD, either, but then I don't play consoles. Which is unfortunate, because there are a number of games I'd like to play only available on consoles. |
| 15:22.12 | egod | i buyed only a Wii for one reason: have fun with some girls :D worked well |
| 15:22.59 | egod | Wii fit in any date: Food, Wii, Movie, Sex |
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| 15:49.02 | Dustin | This using a website as the game menu is fucking stupid |
| 16:09.44 | egod | this HOMM remake on SC2mapster front page is a REAL JOKE! omg |
| 16:10.31 | JademusSreg | Who what? |
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| 16:23.26 | UloseTheGame | fucking europe |
| 16:23.38 | UloseTheGame | ya hear that eu people? your server sucks |
| 16:24.11 | egod | they have a strange acent |
| 16:24.29 | UloseTheGame | no, you know why their server sucks |
| 16:24.42 | UloseTheGame | all anyone wants to do in that godforsaken place is play some form or variant of league |
| 16:24.52 | UloseTheGame | I go into a chat channel |
| 16:24.56 | UloseTheGame | LF masters 1v1 |
| 16:25.08 | UloseTheGame | LF bronze 1v1 |
| 16:25.08 | UloseTheGame | LF any 1v1 |
| 16:25.12 | UloseTheGame | and then i say |
| 16:25.30 | UloseTheGame | Who wants to play Lotr v Last Alliance, it is a fun map |
| 16:25.37 | UloseTheGame | nobody answers |
| 16:25.44 | UloseTheGame | so i pm a couple people |
| 16:26.14 | UloseTheGame | "no I hate lotr", "cmon it doesn't matter, its a great map" |
| 16:26.25 | UloseTheGame | "nty, gotta practice for league" |
| 16:26.27 | UloseTheGame | seriously? |
| 16:26.35 | egod | cool story bro |
| 16:26.49 | UloseTheGame | apparantly everyone on eu has to practice league 24/7 or they get worse |
| 16:27.03 | egod | why you play euro than |
| 16:27.10 | UloseTheGame | its almost like chat channels DON'T EXIST |
| 16:27.19 | UloseTheGame | i really shouldn't |
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| 16:28.20 | UloseTheGame | but then, why should i play any fucking starcraft |
| 16:28.27 | UloseTheGame | the popularity system pisses me off |
| 16:28.42 | UloseTheGame | no one plays anything new, they barely try anything below page 1 |
| 16:29.03 | egod | well |
| 16:29.29 | egod | Welcome to reality |
| 16:31.36 | UloseTheGame | well |
| 16:31.37 | UloseTheGame | thanks |
| 16:35.31 | JademusSreg | Seems to me EU players log more hours on custom games than NA players, from what I hear. |
| 16:38.44 | egod | its probably around midnight in EU right now no? |
| 16:41.04 | egod | Anyone remember Guild Wars 1 Alpha test when you have to find your skill via item by killing monster? haha! it was a great idea!!! to bad :( |
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| 16:42.14 | egod | oh dman, i just find a pic of Me, Solinvincus and MaxSheafer from Blizzard Entertaiment (torchlight now) |
| 16:42.34 | egod | this is old |
| 16:42.57 | Ashamed | lol i love talking to glsen |
| 16:44.43 | UloseTheGame | jade, the thing is, i can't find a damn channel where the players are willing to play custom games |
| 16:45.03 | egod | there a LF costum game channel |
| 16:45.27 | egod | time to make some ZELDA! |
| 16:48.27 | egod | guys, i need a very good remix for my Zelda : A link to the past |
| 16:48.32 | egod | they all suck :( |
| 16:48.50 | egod | not to much boom boom bang bang |
| 16:50.03 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
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| 17:36.32 | RipperRoo | is quakenet down? peeeq ? |
| 17:36.44 | RipperRoo | Dekar? ich komm nit rein^^ |
| 17:38.26 | peeeq | no |
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| 17:42.49 | RipperRoo | red doch deutsch ey^^ also is nicht down oder kommst du auch nicht rein? |
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| 17:56.53 | FockeWulf | Does anyone know who casts sc2 custom maps? |
| 17:58.29 | JademusSreg | Yogscast did one, TotalBiscuit does on occassion. |
| 18:32.55 | Ashamed | i need a new fucking video card |
| 18:33.28 | Ashamed | erg newegg better have some killer back friday deals this eyar |
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| 18:52.00 | merlinludwig | ello folks |
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| 19:04.35 | HeyRevolver | how do I set it so my hero can only carry one of a particular item? |
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| 19:05.43 | JademusSreg | Dunno. I haven't tinkered with items. |
| 19:06.04 | Reactorex | Crap. I lost the game. >.> |
| 19:06.06 | HeyRevolver | thanks anyway =) |
| 19:06.16 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:06.20 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/Veneria%20WIP.jpg |
| 19:06.56 | HeyRevolver | is that from that one campaign map? |
| 19:07.02 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 19:07.05 | Reactorex | Ooh. Very nice. |
| 19:07.11 | Reactorex | I have one, too. |
| 19:07.11 | Reactorex | http://i.imgur.com/kGpId.jpg |
| 19:07.15 | JademusSreg | Custom model reskin for my new project. |
| 19:07.26 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:07.34 | JademusSreg | Nice Minecraft reference. |
| 19:07.45 | Reactorex | Shame that it was marked wrong. :P |
| 19:08.44 | JademusSreg | Aw. |
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| 19:21.49 | HeyRevolver | lol for some reason my units will ignore my commands and run off to attack an enemy hero if my ally gains sight of him or starts getting attacked.. wtf? |
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| 19:47.22 | Vailreth | hello |
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| 19:52.31 | harl | [wuff wuff!] |
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| 19:57.19 | Ashamed | bored... |
| 19:58.27 | Vailreth | as am i |
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| 20:23.00 | Vailreth | has any one esle noticed the creep tumors have feet? |
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| 20:28.11 | Vailreth | well aint this grand now the ground textures are crawling up the cliffs |
| 20:32.44 | HeyRevolver | thats a cool feature |
| 20:33.31 | JademusSreg | Disable Show Hidden Terrain Cells. |
| 20:33.51 | JademusSreg | The latest patch enabled it by default. |
| 20:34.07 | JademusSreg | Or something like that. |
| 20:34.28 | Aelie | JademusSreg: i think im gonna make it public |
| 20:34.35 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 20:37.23 | Aelie | unless you can think of anything |
| 20:37.50 | Aelie | Dustin: do you have kyles screenshot? |
| 20:38.49 | JademusSreg | Custom icons for Keep, Combine, Special Combine, Gem Info, and Combo Info. 5 custom icons. =D |
| 20:39.23 | Aelie | if you want to make them, il use them |
| 20:39.33 | Aelie | what about downgrade |
| 20:40.09 | Aelie | you dont think the 3 beams going into one is good for combine? |
| 20:41.06 | JademusSreg | Not especially. Best of a bad situation, given the sparsity of the standard icon set. |
| 20:41.10 | Aelie | honestly youre the only one who seems to have this "isnt custom icon, must not be important" theory |
| 20:41.27 | JademusSreg | That's not what I said, haha. |
| 20:41.49 | Aelie | everyone else ive played with has noticed them right away |
| 20:42.44 | JademusSreg | If you're making a game, you want the interface to be intuitive, and icon images can convey functionality. |
| 20:42.57 | Aelie | i think it looks fine |
| 20:43.04 | JademusSreg | Whatevah. |
| 20:43.08 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:43.43 | Aelie | id rather use blizzard icons that may not fit exactly, then try and draw my own shitty icons |
| 20:44.11 | Aelie | nothing annoys me more than badly drawn icons and skins |
| 20:44.47 | JademusSreg | No doubt. |
| 20:44.54 | JademusSreg | If you're gonna do something, do it well. |
| 20:45.17 | Aelie | and since i personally cant duplicate the visual style of the sc2 interface |
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| 20:48.58 | adgadg | hello? |
| 20:49.17 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.20 | adgadg | does any1 know how to turn off this foggy vision stuff in the editor theres a visible screen of white.... |
| 20:49.28 | adgadg | and its never been there before |
| 20:49.34 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 20:49.39 | A1win | hmm... my scroll system spawns enemies way too randomly, it's now set up so that as soon as the scroll view moves near an enemy spawn point, it spawns a group of enemies there and then orders them to attack the players... so if you want to kill one group at a time, you can just hold the scroll view by standing at the back, which is a bit odd "feature" |
| 20:49.45 | JademusSreg | Go to the Terrain palette. |
| 20:49.57 | JademusSreg | Then go to a different palette. |
| 20:50.00 | adgadg | ah its fixed now |
| 20:50.02 | adgadg | that was wierd |
| 20:50.11 | adgadg | hey i have one last big question though |
| 20:50.39 | adgadg | so i have a tower with 4 mini turrets and i can see them ingame |
| 20:50.42 | A1win | so I was thinking of instead of having a continuous scroll, the view would stop periodically and only after the players kill all the enemies it continues moving |
| 20:50.43 | adgadg | but they dont attack |
| 20:50.46 | adgadg | or fire at anything |
| 20:51.43 | adgadg | how do i go about fixing this? |
| 20:51.43 | A1win | new gameplay types are difficult to get done properly :[ |
| 20:53.39 | adgadg | hey any1 know how to fix attacks from mini turrets |
| 20:53.45 | adgadg | that are attached to a main actor? |
| 20:54.03 | Aelie | hey, you asked that same question 3 minutes ago |
| 20:54.10 | adgadg | yea im hoping some1 knows |
| 20:54.25 | Aelie | pretty sure they would have answered the first time if they did |
| 20:54.50 | Aelie | but you can repeat it a few more times just to be sure |
| 20:54.54 | A1win | the question is a bit vague ;p |
| 20:55.10 | adgadg | hey guys i have a problem with attached turrets that dont fire |
| 20:55.13 | A1win | actors themselves don't attack, you need a turret I suppose |
| 20:55.15 | adgadg | does any1 know how to make them fire? |
| 20:55.25 | Aelie | i wasnt serious about repeating it |
| 20:55.34 | A1win | how about giving some details instead of just repeating the same thing D: |
| 20:55.44 | adgadg | thats all the details... |
| 20:55.49 | adgadg | i have attache dturrets |
| 20:55.50 | Aelie | of the 3 people that are active right now |
| 20:55.53 | adgadg | to one omega turret |
| 20:56.04 | adgadg | and they dont attack |
| 20:56.08 | adgadg | or rotate really |
| 20:56.10 | Aelie | 1 is mocking you, one is ignoring you, and one is telling you your question is too vague |
| 20:56.11 | A1win | have you attached turret actors or what? |
| 20:56.19 | adgadg | nope |
| 20:56.20 | adgadg | i dont think so |
| 20:56.26 | adgadg | just turret actors |
| 20:56.37 | A1win | x.x what |
| 20:56.39 | adgadg | the mini turrets have turrets though |
| 20:56.42 | Aelie | turrets only specify the range of motion the weapon has |
| 20:56.44 | Aelie | nothing more |
| 20:56.48 | Aelie | so wait |
| 20:56.55 | Aelie | one big turret that has mini turrets |
| 20:56.57 | A1win | I don't even know much about turrets |
| 20:57.01 | Aelie | and those mini turrets have turrets? |
| 20:57.05 | A1win | but an actor can't shoot alone |
| 20:57.17 | adgadg | the mini turrets have an auto turret but for actors it has an auto turret |
| 20:57.30 | Aelie | just to fire a weapon youre gonna need about 8 different things in the editor |
| 20:57.49 | A1win | first of all you need a unit |
| 20:58.00 | A1win | which has a turret, which has a weapon |
| 20:58.01 | adgadg | i have 4 mini turrets |
| 20:58.03 | adgadg | yes |
| 20:58.28 | adgadg | they each have their own weapon and effect |
| 20:58.41 | adgadg | all the same though in damage and stats |
| 20:58.47 | adgadg | they are all visibly attached to the main actor |
| 20:59.11 | adgadg | they have site attachments and actors |
| 20:59.25 | adgadg | the actor for the mini turret is attached to the turrets |
| 21:06.41 | Aelie | you seem to have no idea whats involved in making a unit |
| 21:06.49 | Aelie | i suggest going to watch a tutorial |
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| 21:37.01 | adgadg | hello? |
| 21:37.16 | adgadg | hey guys i have a problem with an actor |
| 21:37.33 | adgadg | somehow i got an animal corpse attached to my turret and idk how to take actors off units |
| 21:38.08 | Vailreth | you will have to check the animal corpse actors events |
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| 21:38.37 | adgadg | how? |
| 21:39.33 | adgadg | why cant i take it off my unit |
| 21:39.41 | Aelie | thats a bit of a strange problem |
| 21:39.46 | adgadg | it just got added on and i never added it. |
| 21:39.55 | adgadg | the unit has 2 main actors now |
| 21:39.58 | Vailreth | strange |
| 21:39.58 | adgadg | and it crashes game |
| 21:40.09 | Vailreth | yeah that sounds right |
| 21:41.55 | adgadg | alright i got rid of it |
| 21:42.46 | adgadg | still idk how to get minis to fire |
| 21:43.13 | adgadg | and yes this is that same problem from 2month ago |
| 21:44.26 | Vailreth | what is the net goal you are trying to accomplish? |
| 21:44.36 | adgadg | to make 4 firing mini rotating turrets |
| 21:44.40 | adgadg | attached to a main turret |
| 21:45.05 | adgadg | i have a main hub which uncludes the 4 mini turret actors but their the animal picture and not the box of a turret |
| 21:45.13 | JademusSreg | New patch. |
| 21:45.29 | adgadg | then i have 4 agt turrets(mini) that have auto turret copies |
| 21:45.47 | adgadg | i have turrets attached to the main turret as just turrets in the air but they dont rotate |
| 21:46.05 | adgadg | my turrets have everything they need to fire |
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| 21:46.12 | adgadg | i just dont know how to get attack actors adn stuff |
| 21:46.13 | Aelie | jade |
| 21:46.18 | adgadg | so the actors that are floating fire |
| 21:46.23 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:46.24 | Aelie | did you ever play civilization wars in wc3 |
| 21:46.34 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 21:46.36 | Vailreth | all you needed to do was make 1 minituret unit a spawn unit behavior to spawn four of them and link it all together with the main turret unit |
| 21:46.48 | JademusSreg | Most wc3 maps weren't memorable. |
| 21:46.58 | adgadg | u guys lead me way off |
| 21:47.01 | adgadg | and idk how to do that |
| 21:47.03 | Aelie | this one was fun |
| 21:47.18 | adgadg | and the main turret was to have a different weapon though |
| 21:47.29 | adgadg | can i send u my map vailreth? |
| 21:47.52 | Vailreth | my power is acting funny due to a storm overhead but sure |
| 21:47.52 | Aelie | why dont you watch a tutorial about how to make a unit |
| 21:47.58 | Aelie | >_> |
| 21:48.03 | adgadg | alright how do i send u the map |
| 21:48.07 | adgadg | where do i upload too |
| 21:48.14 | adgadg | and aelie ive tried 5 different tutorials |
| 21:48.18 | adgadg | none work for these auto turrets |
| 21:48.41 | adgadg | whats a site i could upload map too for you to see? |
| 21:48.52 | adgadg | or get i mean |
| 21:49.06 | Vailreth | i use box.net , not sure if they still have free sign up though |
| 21:49.26 | Vailreth | there is also dropbox |
| 21:49.40 | Vailreth | or making a post on the forum and attaching the map to the post |
| 21:50.15 | Vailreth | i would suggest the forum post as it would get other ideas on how to fix your issue |
| 21:50.16 | Aelie | or dcc |
| 21:50.44 | Vailreth | wont likey be instant though if you go forum post route |
| 21:51.33 | Aelie | JademusSreg: it was a tug of war map |
| 21:53.07 | Vailreth | any one else see the bug with the terrain? |
| 21:53.32 | Vailreth | or has the ground texture always rode up on the cliffs and ive never noticed? |
| 21:54.24 | adgadg | for some reason i cant get my map to appear in the sc2 file folder to upload... |
| 21:54.26 | adgadg | what the fuck |
| 21:54.58 | Vailreth | is it in the program or user directory for Starcraft II? |
| 21:55.17 | adgadg | neither idk what this shit is |
| 21:56.01 | adgadg | this doesnt make any fucknig sense |
| 21:56.14 | adgadg | i can save it but not in the folders that appear when i go into program files |
| 21:56.24 | adgadg | the files are different from where i save it and where i can upload things from |
| 21:56.25 | adgadg | inside the sc2 |
| 21:56.28 | adgadg | what the fuck... |
| 21:57.40 | adgadg | 3.23gigbites |
| 21:57.50 | adgadg | mega i mean |
| 21:58.14 | adgadg | how do i private message u vailreth? |
| 21:58.41 | Vailreth | i dont know what IRC client you are using so i couldnt say |
| 21:58.48 | adgadg | im using freenode |
| 21:59.03 | Vailreth | the webchat for freenode? |
| 21:59.13 | adgadg | freenode webchat ircs |
| 21:59.14 | adgadg | irc |
| 21:59.21 | Vailreth | thats the server |
| 21:59.33 | Vailreth | what program are you using? |
| 21:59.40 | adgadg | mozilla firefox. |
| 21:59.59 | Vailreth | so its the webchat or is it chatzilla ? |
| 22:00.06 | adgadg | webchat.. |
| 22:00.17 | Vailreth | ok that i dont knew how to send a pm in |
| 22:00.28 | adgadg | theres a code way to do it in this client/.. |
| 22:00.33 | adgadg | this is just a website chat client |
| 22:00.50 | adgadg | whatever ill post it anyway |
| 22:00.51 | adgadg | http://www.box.net/files#/files/0/f/0/1/f_954086437 |
| 22:01.22 | adgadg | not sure where u put that but save it in ur maps or something |
| 22:01.31 | adgadg | and the unit is agttowerhub |
| 22:01.41 | Vailreth | i cant use that link its too your account |
| 22:01.56 | adgadg | so now what |
| 22:01.58 | Vailreth | when you uploaded the file there is a share link i need the link form that |
| 22:02.26 | adgadg | how about this one <embed src="http://www.box.net/embed/nihskx7ipsch7nc.swf" width="466" height="400" wmode="opaque" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always"> |
| 22:03.18 | Vailreth | that one is not to the file |
| 22:03.35 | adgadg | http://www.box.net/files/0/f/0/1/f_954086437#/files/0/f/0/1/f_954086437 |
| 22:04.08 | adgadg | okay last try http://www.box.net/shared/68aya3a27mm7z24hxpbi |
| 22:04.34 | Vailreth | ok that one was it |
| 22:05.57 | adgadg | yea i have no clue what i need to do to fix |
| 22:06.01 | adgadg | if u can figure it out itd be nice |
| 22:06.17 | Vailreth | ok what is the name of the unit you need me to look at? |
| 22:06.25 | adgadg | agt |
| 22:06.28 | adgadg | it is the tower hug |
| 22:06.29 | adgadg | hub |
| 22:06.37 | adgadg | and its mini turrets 1 2 3, 3 |
| 22:06.47 | adgadg | i cant get them to function |
| 22:07.02 | Mexa_ | Do anyone recall a very old game called Monkey Shines? |
| 22:09.12 | adgadg | im guessing the unit is confusing u too? |
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| 22:10.09 | Mexa_ | test, huh |
| 22:10.24 | adgadg | test? |
| 22:10.39 | Mexa_ | well, nicoli_s I mean.. |
| 22:11.36 | Vailreth | i just want to be clear that what you want is a Turret of one kind with mini turrets around it of another kind? |
| 22:12.44 | Vailreth | and do you need them to be in the air or want them on the ground? |
| 22:13.38 | egod | i saw a thread on Sc2mapster who a guys talk about remake Cannon Folder, lol omg this is old men! all people in the thread was like: wtf you talking about |
| 22:14.10 | adgadg | yes |
| 22:14.18 | adgadg | they are already floating in the air |
| 22:14.36 | adgadg | im going to attach a flat supply depot later to make it look like they are hanging below it |
| 22:15.27 | nicoli_s | huh? |
| 22:15.32 | Vailreth | okay,,, |
| 22:15.49 | Mexa_ | oh, nothing, I just haven't seen you here before. |
| 22:15.51 | adgadg | sooo |
| 22:15.56 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 22:15.59 | nicoli_s | im a coder from curse |
| 22:16.08 | adgadg | what exactly am i doing wrong? is it the attack actors? |
| 22:16.12 | Mexa_ | Ah, oki |
| 22:16.17 | nicoli_s | i was around when sc2mapster was started |
| 22:16.22 | Mexa_ | What drives you here:P? |
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| 22:16.30 | Mexa_ | I see |
| 22:16.31 | nicoli_s | just felt like joining the channel |
| 22:16.33 | Vailreth | i am still trying to figure out HOW youve done what youve done... |
| 22:16.41 | Mexa_ | oki:) |
| 22:17.02 | adgadg | theres 4 duplicated mini turrets the main turret hub has site attachments where the agt mini turrets have been attached |
| 22:17.10 | adgadg | the mini turrets have site operations that moved the turrets into the sky |
| 22:17.23 | A1win | what is your "mini turret"? |
| 22:17.33 | A1win | what type of object D: |
| 22:17.34 | adgadg | AGTturret1 |
| 22:17.40 | adgadg | object family melee structure |
| 22:17.53 | A1win | so it's a unit? |
| 22:17.57 | Vailreth | he is using units and trying to attach them to gether |
| 22:18.10 | adgadg | theyre attached alright but probably just actors |
| 22:18.13 | adgadg | and not actual units |
| 22:18.23 | adgadg | cuase only the main turret fires |
| 22:19.40 | adgadg | is my map confusing the fuck out of u vailreth? |
| 22:20.08 | A1win | you're confusing everyone by not talking in enough detail |
| 22:20.19 | Vailreth | yes but only becuase of some unconventional data edits |
| 22:20.25 | adgadg | ive given vailrath my map hes working on it |
| 22:20.32 | A1win | ah |
| 22:20.39 | adgadg | vailreth id be fine if i scratched all the units except the agt tower hub |
| 22:20.39 | egod | is there any website i can just upload a image quickly and hsow that to someone like imagehacks? |
| 22:20.43 | adgadg | and could add 4 mini turrets |
| 22:20.53 | adgadg | and just use my site operation on them along with modifying their weapons |
| 22:21.39 | adgadg | photobucket |
| 22:21.59 | adgadg | ill be back in 2minutes |
| 22:22.58 | egod | k |
| 22:26.42 | adgadg | i really cant trash this map though vailreth so i gotta fix that turret somehow |
| 22:26.59 | *** part/#sc2mapster Petoj (~Petoj87@h-60-231.a185.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 22:27.15 | Vailreth | i am going to make a new version of your turret idea in a diffrent way |
| 22:27.30 | Vailreth | and send you that map |
| 22:28.07 | adgadg | did u make a new turret already |
| 22:28.13 | adgadg | or is this a completeley differnt map? |
| 22:28.31 | Vailreth | this will be a new map |
| 22:28.49 | Vailreth | just to showcase this turret |
| 22:29.46 | adgadg | what should i do with my agt turret? |
| 22:29.49 | adgadg | delete it all? |
| 22:30.09 | Vailreth | well you are off to a good start there but it needs alot of work |
| 22:30.42 | adgadg | what am i doing wrong? |
| 22:30.55 | Vailreth | you would have to work with some advanced actor messeges to get it working right |
| 22:31.11 | adgadg | so even you dont know how to fix it? |
| 22:31.13 | Vailreth | or maybe not let me try something first |
| 22:34.42 | Vailreth | your tower is refrencing weapons that do not exist |
| 22:34.51 | adgadg | lol |
| 22:35.02 | Sixen | ~seen malu05 |
| 22:35.05 | purl | malu05 <~m@50C55AEA.flatrate.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 265d 8h 14m 47s ago, saying: 'which again means all events that require a subname can't be done'. |
| 22:35.07 | adgadg | u sure? |
| 22:35.18 | adgadg | i made those weapons in weapons+ and added them |
| 22:35.25 | adgadg | so ugh... what to do? |
| 22:35.49 | nicoli_s | Sixen:ive seen him in the dfans channel |
| 22:36.29 | Sixen | hasn't been seen in the same amount of time :( |
| 22:36.35 | Sixen | he made some d3 custom maps already |
| 22:36.42 | Vailreth | i would make AGTurret Weapon1-4 and link them, i cant find those weapons in the weapons tab |
| 22:36.54 | adgadg | hmm let me check |
| 22:37.29 | Vailreth | the individual turrets have weapons |
| 22:37.41 | adgadg | yes |
| 22:37.44 | Vailreth | how ever the main turret can not accept those turrets as wepons |
| 22:37.56 | adgadg | y/ |
| 22:38.19 | Vailreth | they are diffrent data types that do not cross refrence in that mannor |
| 22:38.21 | adgadg | or what should i do just add weapons to the main turret? |
| 22:39.20 | Vailreth | just make the four other weapons used by the tower the AGTurret Weapon1 and such and connect them to the actors. that should help if not fix it |
| 22:39.40 | adgadg | is it okay if the main turret has 4 differnt turrets for combat weapons+ but the same 4 weapon type? |
| 22:39.59 | adgadg | i used 12mmguasscanon copyx4 for each turret |
| 22:40.04 | adgadg | or do i need different for each |
| 22:40.41 | Vailreth | you need just one unique weapon for each attached turret actor |
| 22:40.43 | adgadg | also on the main turret hub theres no combat turrets+ but the main turret still fires |
| 22:40.51 | adgadg | if u check combat turrets+ |
| 22:40.53 | adgadg | its blank |
| 22:40.57 | adgadg | would that effect it? |
| 22:42.12 | Vailreth | the hub has four five turrets listed there on the map you sent me |
| 22:42.26 | adgadg | i know |
| 22:42.26 | Vailreth | er just five ignore that four |
| 22:42.32 | adgadg | but in combat turrets+ theres nothing |
| 22:42.58 | adgadg | is that cuasing something a problem? |
| 22:43.07 | Vailreth | sorry eyes jumping |
| 22:43.21 | Vailreth | i dont know if it will or not |
| 22:43.43 | Aelie | Sixen: how would i get a map release announcement on mapster |
| 22:43.58 | adgadg | it has to be amazing.... |
| 22:44.21 | Aelie | well, im biased on the subject, of course |
| 22:44.39 | Sixen | PM me a link to your thread and/or project page and a youtube video ;) |
| 22:45.01 | Aelie | ah... a youtube video, meh |
| 22:47.15 | Aelie | ive never been the video editing type |
| 22:48.03 | egod | use Fraps |
| 22:48.04 | Vailreth | get me raw footage and i will edit if you like |
| 22:48.16 | Vailreth | raw AVI from fraps would work |
| 22:49.05 | Aelie | how long are we talking here |
| 22:49.06 | Mexa_ | lol, so I am playing this old game where you are a monkey in a large level to collect keys... |
| 22:49.22 | Mexa_ | Inspiring enemies... a tv, a coutch, and a god damn chair |
| 22:49.36 | Mexa_ | And they all do the same thing!!! |
| 22:49.45 | egod | sick |
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| 22:51.03 | Mexa_ | ... a toaster, a teabrewer, a knife |
| 22:51.16 | Mexa_ | All instakilling me on hit |
| 22:51.20 | adgadg | does any1 know how to unattach actors that leach on somehow? |
| 22:51.29 | adgadg | i think some actors are sneaking in my unit from weapons |
| 22:51.33 | adgadg | but idk how its happening |
| 22:52.27 | adgadg | nvm got it |
| 22:52.32 | adgadg | actors sneaking in off weapons |
| 22:52.37 | adgadg | idk how that even happening |
| 22:55.41 | Mexa_ | Neato |
| 22:55.55 | Mexa_ | The Battlefield 3 beta is available |
| 22:56.04 | Dustin | Its shit |
| 22:56.07 | Dustin | Absolute shit |
| 22:56.17 | Mexa_ | So, I take that as you tried it? |
| 22:56.30 | Dustin | ya |
| 22:56.36 | Aelie | Dustin: do you have kyles screenshot? |
| 22:56.43 | Mexa_ | When, how long, etcetc |
| 22:56.45 | Dustin | let me find it |
| 22:56.51 | Dustin | today |
| 22:56.56 | Dustin | played for 30 minutes |
| 22:57.04 | Dustin | The Website menu shit is so broken and stupid |
| 22:57.17 | Mexa_ | So |
| 22:57.23 | Mexa_ | You complain about the website |
| 22:57.23 | Mexa_ | fine |
| 22:57.27 | Mexa_ | What about the game? |
| 22:57.28 | ThunderLord | Is it possible to make effects deal negative damagE? if i change the minimum damage in the game layout |
| 22:57.37 | Dustin | Shit aswell |
| 22:57.43 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 22:57.47 | Mexa_ | elaborate |
| 22:57.49 | Dustin | The website is how you add friends and join games and shit |
| 22:58.04 | Mexa_ | eh? |
| 22:58.32 | Mexa_ | By website, do you mean the EA Origins client? |
| 22:58.38 | Dustin | no |
| 22:58.44 | Dustin | Its an actuall website |
| 22:58.55 | Dustin | that launches the client to join a game |
| 23:00.48 | Mexa_ | Anything else |
| 23:00.52 | Mexa_ | Such as, gameplay? |
| 23:00.57 | Mexa_ | Latency? |
| 23:00.59 | Mexa_ | Other things? |
| 23:01.32 | Mexa_ | Or does it just happend to be that you are an unexperienced player raging? |
| 23:01.33 | Dustin | Just feels like another generic shooter like CoD |
| 23:01.50 | Mexa_ | Just another? |
| 23:02.01 | Mexa_ | Who says CoD would be any better |
| 23:02.22 | Mexa_ | oh, right |
| 23:02.55 | Mexa_ | Well, could you give an example of a nongeneric fps:P? |
| 23:03.31 | Aelie | pokes dustin |
| 23:03.56 | Dustin | Its all the same crap nowadays |
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| 23:04.08 | Mexa_ | Hm |
| 23:04.13 | Mexa_ | I still have faith |
| 23:04.14 | Dustin | Modern Warefare, Unlocks of Weapons and attachments, death match crap |
| 23:04.18 | Mexa_ | I loved bf3 |
| 23:04.20 | Mexa_ | *bf2 |
| 23:09.03 | egod | just finished to photoshop arounf 20xSprites 2D char sets from zelda :( blizzard gonna eat some copyright! :D |
| 23:09.52 | adgadg | ur the one who gets sued... |
| 23:10.07 | egod | hehehe |
| 23:10.32 | Mexa_ | Probably, Blizzard being sued, and the clients punished. |
| 23:10.46 | egod | seriously, what blizz gonna do if i make my map public and each time someone upload it, they ban the account, they gonna ban everyone?!?! |
| 23:10.58 | adgadg | no 1 else will upload |
| 23:11.00 | adgadg | derp |
| 23:11.14 | egod | we will see |
| 23:11.21 | adgadg | gg to ur sc |
| 23:11.26 | Mexa_ | egod, they can sure make it only so that you are being punished |
| 23:11.29 | Mexa_ | It's up to them |
| 23:11.37 | Mexa_ | It will give them even more money |
| 23:11.57 | egod | hm your right |
| 23:16.33 | Mexa_ | Hey Jademus, you there? |
| 23:18.27 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
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| 23:19.34 | Mexa_ | So, Jademus, I was thinking in my designer, to initially make it compatible with normal galaxy |
| 23:19.53 | Mexa_ | Per say, like with preplaced objects in the editor, the dialogs will be initialized "preplaced" |
| 23:20.04 | Mexa_ | And you access them with a string identifier |
| 23:20.28 | JademusSreg | HM. |
| 23:20.55 | adgadg | how do people make custom models |
| 23:20.58 | adgadg | and import them from other gmaes |
| 23:20.59 | JademusSreg | What advantages does this confer? |
| 23:21.00 | adgadg | games |
| 23:21.26 | Mexa_ | I'd like to make my first version a standalone, not bound to be used with the galaxy++ editor |
| 23:21.44 | Mexa_ | As that would also break compatibility with those who still are encouraged by triggering in the gui. |
| 23:22.12 | adgadg | do u guys know how to make custom menus like other people have? |
| 23:22.20 | adgadg | like mineralz or hero attack |
| 23:22.32 | Mexa_ | Jademus, I still want to reach out with the tool to as many as possible, so:P |
| 23:22.37 | JademusSreg | I imagine this has more to do with autonomy than it does functionality? In that completing the stand alone version means you get the work done without waiting to coordinate with Beier? |
| 23:23.09 | Mexa_ | Well, it is related to functionality in a way |
| 23:23.15 | JademusSreg | It makes sense though, if it saves you legwork down the road. |
| 23:23.41 | Mexa_ | My aim was to develop a designer, but if I make it completely alone, and implement what I wanted in the first place, which would be event-support and coding among other things... |
| 23:24.03 | Mexa_ | So instead, I think I should begin with a more "light" version |
| 23:24.08 | JademusSreg | So functionality and autonomy. =D |
| 23:24.16 | Mexa_ | oh, yeah ok:) |
| 23:24.32 | Aelie | adgadg: you mean dialogs? |
| 23:24.54 | Mexa_ | Heh, though, it's not really me waiting on Beier, it's probably him waiting on me though:P |
| 23:25.18 | JademusSreg | Ah. I was guessing there. Haha |
| 23:25.43 | adgadg | lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJOz_y9rZE |
| 23:25.46 | adgadg | lol |
| 23:25.50 | Mexa_ | But what do you think about it then? |
| 23:25.52 | adgadg | idk what dialogs are |
| 23:26.04 | Aelie | google is your friend |
| 23:26.19 | Aelie | also |
| 23:26.23 | Aelie | sc2mapster wiki |
| 23:26.27 | Aelie | also, tutorial forum |
| 23:26.41 | JademusSreg | Allows you to implement features you won't be able to with g++? |
| 23:26.42 | Mexa_ | I feel that it would be better if I made a more independent version first,¨ |
| 23:27.02 | Mexa_ | I wasn't planning to implement anything galaxy++ isn't supporing |
| 23:27.22 | JademusSreg | Is it multiplatform? |
| 23:27.24 | Mexa_ | Or rather, I was planning to maintain compatibility with galaxy, as a starter |
| 23:27.36 | Mexa_ | No, not currently |
| 23:28.04 | Mexa_ | It's developed in C# |
| 23:28.49 | adgadg | mexa whats ur project? |
| 23:29.20 | Mexa_ | There might be support for both linux and mac even, but that means I will have to rely on Mono (which is not certain that it is completely with all support of the .net framework) and/or switch to another ui toolkit such as Qt |
| 23:29.33 | JademusSreg | If that's it's only feature, maintaining vanilla compatability, I am skeptical. While it's useful for those galaxy users unwilling to use a language extension (like g++ has), I wonder... |
| 23:29.33 | Mexa_ | adgadg, it's a dialog designer:P |
| 23:30.07 | JademusSreg | I wonder if that is good for the galaxy users. |
| 23:30.14 | Mexa_ | Well Jademus, galaxy++ is a subset of galaxy. It still provides a certain backwards compatibility in itself- |
| 23:30.33 | Vailreth | be back in a bit folks |
| 23:30.57 | JademusSreg | To me, ideally, galaxy users would move toward a standard set of practices and tools. |
| 23:31.12 | JademusSreg | Not necessarily coupled of course. |
| 23:31.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:32.25 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'm slightly skeptical, both those are uncertainties about the future; I guess what matters here is that there is a demand for the functionality offered by your project. |
| 23:33.22 | JademusSreg | To reframe the question, which project would be completed sooner? |
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| 23:34.10 | JademusSreg | Given there is no great disparity in features or utility, it seems to come down to the efficiency with time. |
| 23:35.47 | Mexa_ | well |
| 23:35.49 | Mexa_ | It would |
| 23:35.57 | Mexa_ | Indeed be completed sooner, I think |
| 23:36.09 | JademusSreg | Then I say do it. =D |
| 23:36.27 | Mexa_ | ok :> |
| 23:36.55 | Mexa_ | Thing is anyhow, I have the limitations of not being superskilled in making a coding IDE |
| 23:37.16 | Mexa_ | But since that is not my initial goal, the better would be to provide the core first so to speak |
| 23:37.26 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 23:37.37 | Mexa_ | Alright, thanks anyhow:) |
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| 23:38.34 | SoulTaker916_ | hey jade? |
| 23:38.36 | SoulTaker916_ | vail? |
| 23:38.40 | SoulTaker916_ | anyone? |
| 23:38.50 | Mexa_ | Jade went afk just a minute ago |
| 23:38.55 | SoulTaker916_ | sup |
