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| 00:07.21 | HeyRevolver | did they change the way hero death works? |
| 00:13.24 | egod | wooooooooooooot |
| 00:13.29 | egod | alright |
| 00:22.27 | Currydevil | hmmmmm |
| 00:22.44 | Currydevil | wish search areas could target units specifically. |
| 00:22.47 | Currydevil | like ... by name |
| 00:24.20 | JademusSreg | Validator Unit Type |
| 00:24.39 | Currydevil | that's true. |
| 00:25.01 | Currydevil | duh, i had forsaken validators recently (about 5 min ago) when i learned they could not validate charge counts directly. |
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| 00:25.24 | Currydevil | and that charge sharing between an ability and an item does not USE the item.. just takes a charge away. |
| 00:25.48 | Currydevil | so the item did not count as depleted even with a 0 charge count. |
| 00:25.50 | Currydevil | -.- |
| 00:29.42 | Currydevil | Bah, didn't work. |
| 00:30.00 | Currydevil | set the search area to a .5 radius, reruired item |
| 00:30.04 | Currydevil | required* |
| 00:30.07 | Currydevil | and nothing. |
| 00:35.09 | Currydevil | <- noob error |
| 00:35.26 | HeyRevolver | whatwas it? |
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| 01:20.19 | TheLaughingMan | Howdy howdy |
| 01:27.44 | egod | DUSTIN YOUR THERE? |
| 01:29.10 | egod | I WANNA SHOW YOU MY SWORD ANIMATION |
| 01:29.13 | egod | ON BNET |
| 01:33.24 | TheLaughingMan | Now here is a good question, is there anyway to attach a model to an actor based on a weapon? For instance having a melee weapon added to a wow model will have it use a sword, and a firearm attaches a gun, etc. |
| 01:33.24 | Dustin | sup |
| 01:33.35 | Aelie | booo |
| 01:33.37 | egod | log on |
| 01:33.41 | egod | BNET us |
| 01:33.41 | Aelie | the max hp is 100k |
| 01:34.40 | Aelie | egod |
| 01:34.42 | Aelie | ill come |
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| 01:34.51 | egod | k give me sec, uploading |
| 01:34.56 | timecat | aelie: not true |
| 01:34.57 | egod | go Channel Sc2mapster |
| 01:34.57 | Aelie | me too! |
| 01:34.58 | TheLaughingMan | Blarg, stupid IRC |
| 01:35.00 | Aelie | timecat |
| 01:35.05 | timecat | the max hp is 500+ |
| 01:35.05 | Aelie | when i go to "max hp" |
| 01:35.06 | timecat | err |
| 01:35.11 | timecat | 500,000+ |
| 01:35.13 | Aelie | it says 0-100000 |
| 01:35.23 | timecat | well its wrong |
| 01:35.40 | Aelie | it wont even let me put in a number higher than that |
| 01:35.41 | Aelie | sorry |
| 01:36.29 | Aelie | i was going to use 2,500,000 |
| 01:37.44 | Aelie | dustin |
| 01:37.50 | Aelie | ive got a new version ready to test! |
| 01:38.30 | Dustin | Hell ya |
| 01:38.33 | egod | publishing |
| 01:38.37 | egod | Zzzz |
| 01:38.38 | Dustin | After I see this thing with egod |
| 01:38.39 | Dustin | lets do it |
| 01:38.52 | HeyRevolver | i heard there were some sweet sword effects on that map |
| 01:38.54 | HeyRevolver | is it true? |
| 01:38.55 | egod | im still trying to publish so go for it |
| 01:39.31 | HeyRevolver | guess not |
| 01:39.39 | HeyRevolver | bunch of limp dicks in here |
| 01:39.44 | egod | hehe |
| 01:39.47 | HeyRevolver | =P |
| 01:40.19 | egod | will make some Ennemy in 2D tomorrow and make a nice Raid on Hyrule Castle |
| 01:40.22 | egod | haha |
| 01:40.26 | egod | record it and youtube |
| 01:40.27 | HeyRevolver | dude i gotta be honest |
| 01:40.32 | HeyRevolver | i would play thatmap |
| 01:40.39 | HeyRevolver | and i dont say that about a lot of maps |
| 01:40.45 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 01:41.01 | HeyRevolver | zelda on sc grpahics are you kidding me? its boner time. |
| 01:41.17 | egod | its sweet, the 3D effet look great |
| 01:41.36 | Aelie | egod |
| 01:41.38 | Aelie | whats your sc name |
| 01:41.44 | egod | im comming rioght now |
| 01:41.57 | Aelie | im bringing a friend if that ok |
| 01:42.14 | egod | well |
| 01:42.16 | Aelie | whats your sc name |
| 01:42.20 | egod | its only for 2xplayer at same time |
| 01:42.24 | Aelie | :< |
| 01:42.25 | egod | not sets for 6-12 |
| 01:42.34 | Aelie | it would be 4 |
| 01:42.36 | Aelie | lol |
| 01:42.41 | Aelie | can i watch, at least? |
| 01:42.42 | egod | will do 8 |
| 01:42.46 | Aelie | or are there 2 slots |
| 01:42.47 | egod | observer? |
| 01:42.54 | egod | idk how to do this |
| 01:43.03 | HeyRevolver | damn i wanted to come too |
| 01:43.36 | egod | there only 2xSlot ya, next time will open more |
| 01:43.48 | egod | for now will just show to dustin, anyway will amke a video tomorrow |
| 01:44.31 | HeyRevolver | cool |
| 01:47.07 | egod | random gem |
| 01:47.10 | egod | that means |
| 01:47.20 | egod | you dont know what type of tower you start with? |
| 01:47.33 | Dustin | nope |
| 01:47.37 | Dustin | You get 5 random ones |
| 01:47.44 | Dustin | and you get to pick 1 |
| 01:47.56 | egod | hm |
| 01:48.15 | egod | choose the HUNTER dustin |
| 01:48.34 | Aelie | sorry, i forgot to delete the towere i made lol |
| 01:49.35 | HeyRevolver | no youre a towel |
| 01:50.50 | egod | see its not bad |
| 01:51.07 | Aelie | egod |
| 01:51.13 | Aelie | you coming to try this? |
| 01:51.18 | egod | ahh ya ok |
| 01:51.20 | Dustin | ya looks decent |
| 01:51.21 | egod | logging on |
| 01:51.24 | Aelie | or anyone else who wants to play? |
| 01:51.30 | Aelie | pokes timecat |
| 01:51.36 | Aelie | pokes JademusSreg |
| 01:51.55 | egod | im in sc2mapster channel |
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| 02:25.56 | Aelie | boooooooooooooooooooo |
| 02:26.04 | TheLaughingMan | Rawr |
| 02:26.08 | Aelie | just when i was about to show Dustin whos boss |
| 02:26.19 | Aelie | the boss spawn decided not to path at all |
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| 02:26.48 | Brainshack | hey guys :) |
| 02:27.47 | egod | can you combine a FLawless and a Chipped? or both have to be the same? |
| 02:28.35 | Aelie | only identical gems |
| 02:28.47 | egod | k |
| 02:29.32 | egod | its simple i like when TD are based on luck |
| 02:29.39 | Aelie | fucking hell |
| 02:29.43 | Aelie | why wont this guy path at all |
| 02:30.49 | Aelie | ah |
| 02:30.52 | Aelie | i think i figured it out |
| 02:30.57 | Aelie | the mover was set to flying |
| 02:32.16 | Aelie | there we go |
| 02:32.19 | Aelie | anyhow |
| 02:32.22 | Aelie | dustin |
| 02:32.25 | Aelie | another go? |
| 02:32.41 | Dustin | sure |
| 02:33.10 | Aelie | anyone else interested? |
| 02:35.39 | Brainshack | na? |
| 02:36.25 | Aelie | test of my map |
| 02:36.27 | Aelie | NA |
| 02:36.54 | Aelie | yes no? |
| 02:38.32 | Aelie | if yes, whats your sc name |
| 02:41.14 | Aelie | guess not |
| 02:43.54 | Dustin | lets do this |
| 02:44.24 | Aelie | last chance Brainshack |
| 02:44.38 | Brainshack | sry im eu^^ |
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| 02:50.05 | SoulTaker916_ | why is there a bunch of people not online? |
| 02:50.14 | SoulTaker916_ | i usalt have like 15 people online friends |
| 02:50.16 | SoulTaker916_ | i got 1... |
| 02:50.29 | SoulTaker916_ | just coincidence? |
| 02:56.52 | HeyRevolver | no man the myans were right |
| 02:57.10 | HeyRevolver | the apocalypse is here |
| 02:57.10 | SoulTaker916_ | LOLZ |
| 02:57.13 | SoulTaker916_ | fk! |
| 02:57.17 | SoulTaker916_ | *saves map* |
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| 02:57.21 | SoulTaker916_ | i hope that works.. |
| 02:57.26 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 02:57.28 | SoulTaker916_ | save>appocolypse right? |
| 02:57.38 | HeyRevolver | no yes |
| 02:57.44 | SoulTaker916_ | nice.... |
| 02:57.54 | HeyRevolver | lol i didnt even mean to type that rofl |
| 02:58.03 | HeyRevolver | i meant to just say yes |
| 02:58.22 | HeyRevolver | fucking myans making me type shit |
| 02:58.45 | HeyRevolver | anyone have a razer imperator? |
| 03:01.45 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 03:02.08 | SoulTaker916_ | oh well my teacher put "failed to include" on my assignent |
| 03:02.12 | SoulTaker916_ | but game me 100% |
| 03:02.17 | SoulTaker916_ | im soo confused.... |
| 03:02.29 | SoulTaker916_ | i answered all the questions correctly and the sheet makes no sense |
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| 03:11.40 | Aelie | anyone else want to test my map with me |
| 03:12.23 | SoulTaker916_ | sorry working on my lab computer |
| 03:13.41 | Vailreth | i need to rigure out some abilities for my zerg hero Legion |
| 03:14.02 | Vailreth | figuring them out may work better though |
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| 03:33.06 | Aelie | done dustin? |
| 03:33.55 | Dustin | Yeah, gonna hit the sack |
| 03:33.59 | Aelie | night |
| 03:34.04 | Dustin | nightt |
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| 03:40.53 | SoulTaker916_ | Son of a bitch |
| 03:41.18 | SoulTaker916_ | the new update crashes and says its cause of my radion video cards... |
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| 04:10.34 | Vailreth | bah figuring this out is driving me nuts |
| 04:10.52 | SoulTaker916_ | some one should try to play protect bob before i fixes |
| 04:10.57 | SoulTaker916_ | because of starcrafts update |
| 04:11.04 | SoulTaker916_ | the minimap crashes all users |
| 04:11.05 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 04:28.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:29.52 | SoulTaker916_ | :P |
| 04:29.54 | SoulTaker916_ | i fixed it |
| 04:30.01 | SoulTaker916_ | but now i can go around crashing people |
| 04:30.05 | SoulTaker916_ | blizzard=cool |
| 04:34.06 | JademusSreg | It's easy to make a map crash. |
| 04:34.20 | SoulTaker916_ | ya but now they dont have to be in the game |
| 04:34.28 | SoulTaker916_ | they just look at it from maplist |
| 04:34.35 | SoulTaker916_ | moment the mouse touches the name |
| 04:34.37 | SoulTaker916_ | Poof... |
| 04:34.41 | JademusSreg | Oh, that's neat, haha. |
| 04:35.12 | SoulTaker916_ | ya just use a falty immage |
| 04:35.18 | SoulTaker916_ | ill send u mine if u wnt to see |
| 04:35.59 | SoulTaker916_ | lol... |
| 04:36.13 | SoulTaker916_ | microsoft send me EVERYTHING but word 2010 for free |
| 04:36.21 | SoulTaker916_ | i get windows 7 ultimate |
| 04:36.23 | JademusSreg | Define "faulty" =D |
| 04:36.25 | SoulTaker916_ | and everything |
| 04:36.47 | SoulTaker916_ | faulty= immage wont load cause im a idiot and didnt properly generate it |
| 04:36.53 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:36.55 | SoulTaker916_ | with the correct propotions i |
| 04:37.08 | SoulTaker916_ | incorrect* |
| 04:37.13 | SoulTaker916_ | Joshie +1 |
| 04:38.41 | SoulTaker916_ | i migraged my lab computer to a external HHD and no i just virtualize |
| 04:39.01 | SoulTaker916_ | but i wonder with the generic graphic compatibility will it be able to run SC2 |
| 04:44.19 | Aelie | how do i add a minimum movement speed to an enemy |
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| 04:45.43 | SoulTaker916_ | u should set the speed to the minimum |
| 04:45.47 | SoulTaker916_ | then add on using triggers |
| 04:45.51 | SoulTaker916_ | assuming thats possible |
| 04:46.05 | Aelie | ? |
| 04:46.11 | Aelie | i mean |
| 04:46.19 | Aelie | a speed that they cant be slowed slower than |
| 04:46.35 | SoulTaker916_ | oh... |
| 04:46.40 | SoulTaker916_ | uh... |
| 04:46.49 | Thetubbygoat | Hello everyone |
| 04:46.54 | SoulTaker916_ | what r u doing to slow them down? |
| 04:47.28 | Thetubbygoat | SoulTaker916: are you talking about MoSB? |
| 04:47.38 | Thetubbygoat | If so you are not alone |
| 04:49.17 | SoulTaker916_ | mosb? |
| 04:49.24 | Thetubbygoat | maze of sliding bunnies |
| 04:49.36 | SoulTaker916_ | uh not sure |
| 04:49.44 | SoulTaker916_ | i dont go around playign custom maps too often |
| 04:51.12 | timecat | thats what i should add to my map |
| 04:51.14 | timecat | a bunny tower |
| 04:51.21 | timecat | it throws easter eggs at the creeps |
| 04:51.50 | SoulTaker916_ | ur doign that in in data? |
| 04:51.55 | SoulTaker916_ | mostl;y* |
| 04:52.43 | timecat | wut? |
| 04:52.56 | Thetubbygoat | Are you guys coding raw or using the interface? |
| 04:52.57 | SoulTaker916_ | ur doing that in the dataeditor right? |
| 04:53.13 | SoulTaker916_ | 25/75.... ish |
| 04:54.07 | Thetubbygoat | nice |
| 04:54.11 | Thetubbygoat | so how did you start coding raw? |
| 04:54.18 | SoulTaker916_ | just change the view |
| 04:54.21 | SoulTaker916_ | or w/e |
| 04:54.24 | SoulTaker916_ | its not hard |
| 04:54.25 | timecat | coding raw is for masochists |
| 04:54.27 | timecat | just use the interface |
| 04:54.35 | SoulTaker916_ | 70% interface.... |
| 04:54.36 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 04:54.39 | SoulTaker916_ | 75% |
| 04:54.49 | SoulTaker916_ | just for some things i code it |
| 04:54.53 | SoulTaker916_ | like tha banks |
| 04:54.57 | Thetubbygoat | oooh |
| 04:54.59 | Thetubbygoat | how do you do that |
| 04:55.06 | SoulTaker916_ | just swithc it |
| 04:55.14 | SoulTaker916_ | its in the menu |
| 04:55.17 | Thetubbygoat | O_o |
| 04:55.51 | Thetubbygoat | i mean like |
| 04:55.55 | Thetubbygoat | do you actually know how to code |
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| 04:56.47 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 04:56.50 | SoulTaker916_ | so do u |
| 04:56.57 | SoulTaker916_ | ur using the gui for triggers right? |
| 04:56.59 | SoulTaker916_ | thats coding |
| 04:57.01 | Thetubbygoat | yessiree |
| 04:57.12 | SoulTaker916_ | not much difference |
| 04:57.12 | Thetubbygoat | and then you just get used to the API? |
| 04:57.13 | Thetubbygoat | when you switch the view? |
| 04:57.39 | SoulTaker916_ | i like the gui its easyer and usaly faster with some nice features |
| 04:57.50 | SoulTaker916_ | but occasional i like the precision of scripting |
| 04:57.55 | SoulTaker916_ | but jage |
| 04:57.58 | SoulTaker916_ | jade is the guy |
| 04:58.14 | SoulTaker916_ | thats really heavy doing everything |
| 04:58.16 | Thetubbygoat | jademus? |
| 04:58.20 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 04:58.26 | Thetubbygoat | ahaha yeah he helped me with a map |
| 04:58.29 | Thetubbygoat | i was like |
| 04:58.29 | Thetubbygoat | wut |
| 04:58.29 | SoulTaker916_ | he wont touch gui |
| 04:58.34 | Thetubbygoat | when he showed me the code |
| 04:58.36 | SoulTaker916_ | i think he thinks it has aids |
| 04:58.45 | SoulTaker916_ | well |
| 04:58.47 | Thetubbygoat | i wish i could do that like him |
| 04:58.51 | SoulTaker916_ | u r |
| 04:58.53 | SoulTaker916_ | lol |
| 04:58.59 | SoulTaker916_ | once u get use to triggers |
| 04:59.05 | SoulTaker916_ | and u sit down and look at his code |
| 04:59.08 | SoulTaker916_ | ur like... |
| 04:59.10 | SoulTaker916_ | oh ya |
| 04:59.13 | SoulTaker916_ | i see that |
| 04:59.18 | SoulTaker916_ | thats just like the gui |
| 04:59.33 | SoulTaker916_ | and if u were to ever take a programming class |
| 04:59.36 | SoulTaker916_ | ull be like |
| 04:59.42 | SoulTaker916_ | this is just like the gui |
| 04:59.56 | Thetubbygoat | weird haha |
| 05:00.04 | SoulTaker916_ | they should teach introduction to programmign and use the sc2 gui t work them into it |
| 05:00.07 | Thetubbygoat | ya ive messed around with triggers enough |
| 05:00.26 | SoulTaker916_ | all the script is is what u did in the same order |
| 05:00.29 | Thetubbygoat | how do you show the code for a map again? |
| 05:00.31 | SoulTaker916_ | with some grammer |
| 05:00.40 | SoulTaker916_ | open the triggers |
| 05:00.45 | SoulTaker916_ | its up there in the menu option |
| 05:00.57 | SoulTaker916_ | *opens editor |
| 05:01.35 | Thetubbygoat | kk |
| 05:01.39 | SoulTaker916_ | ok in trigger window select data>view script |
| 05:02.13 | SoulTaker916_ | u notice in a new map the default triggers r for melee |
| 05:02.19 | SoulTaker916_ | but when u look at the script u see |
| 05:02.24 | SoulTaker916_ | ops.. |
| 05:02.30 | SoulTaker916_ | bool gt_MeleeInitialization_Func (bool testConds, bool runActions) { // Actions if (!runActions) { return true; } MeleeInitResources(); MeleeInitUnits(); MeleeInitAI(); MeleeInitOptions(); return true; } |
| 05:02.38 | SoulTaker916_ | which if u sit down |
| 05:02.40 | SoulTaker916_ | and read it |
| 05:02.51 | SoulTaker916_ | u recongines 80% with no programming knoledge |
| 05:03.22 | Thetubbygoat | ok wait |
| 05:03.23 | Thetubbygoat | back up |
| 05:03.27 | Thetubbygoat | ctrl + d |
| 05:03.30 | Thetubbygoat | shows it right? |
| 05:03.47 | SoulTaker916_ | ctrl +f11 |
| 05:03.56 | SoulTaker916_ | ctrlD |
| 05:04.06 | SoulTaker916_ | i know what it kinda doing |
| 05:04.09 | SoulTaker916_ | like a hybrid mode |
| 05:04.12 | SoulTaker916_ | or somthing |
| 05:04.16 | SoulTaker916_ | but its stupid |
| 05:04.18 | SoulTaker916_ | dont use it |
| 05:04.44 | Thetubbygoat | haha |
| 05:04.44 | Thetubbygoat | ok |
| 05:05.05 | SoulTaker916_ | it looks almost exactly like c++ |
| 05:05.15 | SoulTaker916_ | i havent noticed any real difference between the 2 |
| 05:05.20 | Thetubbygoat | oh wow cool |
| 05:05.20 | SoulTaker916_ | but i havent really looked |
| 05:05.24 | Thetubbygoat | i wish i knew C++ lol |
| 05:05.31 | SoulTaker916_ | well u know this |
| 05:05.34 | SoulTaker916_ | so ur half way there |
| 05:05.44 | Thetubbygoat | woo! |
| 05:05.51 | Thetubbygoat | i just started college |
| 05:05.53 | Thetubbygoat | this is my first week |
| 05:05.56 | Thetubbygoat | i have intro to game design |
| 05:05.59 | Thetubbygoat | and we have to use flash >.> |
| 05:06.05 | SoulTaker916_ | lolz... |
| 05:06.12 | SoulTaker916_ | u should do a Ragnarok server |
| 05:06.17 | SoulTaker916_ | if u want to learn game design |
| 05:06.23 | SoulTaker916_ | they have the cores and most everything |
| 05:06.27 | SoulTaker916_ | then u start editing it |
| 05:06.32 | Thetubbygoat | ragnarok.. |
| 05:06.34 | Thetubbygoat | do tell |
| 05:06.39 | SoulTaker916_ | Ragnarok online |
| 05:06.48 | SoulTaker916_ | awhile back someone cracked the server codes and stuff |
| 05:06.52 | SoulTaker916_ | and now its a open source |
| 05:06.59 | SoulTaker916_ | u can run this MMORPG |
| 05:07.02 | Thetubbygoat | lol |
| 05:07.03 | SoulTaker916_ | out of ur house |
| 05:07.06 | SoulTaker916_ | edit it up |
| 05:07.10 | SoulTaker916_ | make new monsters |
| 05:07.14 | SoulTaker916_ | and weird stuff |
| 05:07.24 | Thetubbygoat | cool cool |
| 05:07.44 | SoulTaker916_ | like starcraft its c++ with thier own custom language ontop |
| 05:08.24 | Thetubbygoat | what does include do? |
| 05:08.28 | SoulTaker916_ | but when it comes to game design, ur usaly become either a graphic designer or a programmer |
| 05:08.44 | Thetubbygoat | programmer haha |
| 05:08.46 | Thetubbygoat | i suck at graphic design |
| 05:09.00 | SoulTaker916_ | then take computer science lolz |
| 05:09.08 | SoulTaker916_ | and server courses |
| 05:09.31 | Thetubbygoat | yep im a computer science major |
| 05:09.31 | SoulTaker916_ | i mean i look at the ragnarok sourcecodes and stuff |
| 05:09.46 | SoulTaker916_ | and i understand how the graphics are handled |
| 05:10.01 | SoulTaker916_ | then i make the graphics in photoshop and a 3D program |
| 05:10.20 | SoulTaker916_ | and i suck at those also |
| 05:10.20 | Thetubbygoat | yaaa ill hire people for that :P |
| 05:10.24 | Thetubbygoat | or bring them into a project |
| 05:10.54 | SoulTaker916_ | lol i switched majors from 3D design to computer science cause i sucked at graphics |
| 05:10.56 | SoulTaker916_ | :P |
| 05:11.07 | Thetubbygoat | bahaha |
| 05:11.10 | SoulTaker916_ | ya u can just hire people |
| 05:11.36 | SoulTaker916_ | pixar people just use a program to make thier movies |
| 05:11.58 | SoulTaker916_ | halo was made in 3dstudiomax |
| 05:12.10 | SoulTaker916_ | XD u can buy it |
| 05:12.32 | Thetubbygoat | wow lol |
| 05:12.41 | Thetubbygoat | wait, programmed in 3dstudiomax |
| 05:12.44 | Thetubbygoat | or like the art was |
| 05:12.48 | SoulTaker916_ | the graphics |
| 05:13.03 | SoulTaker916_ | then they use the program to work with the files |
| 05:13.13 | SoulTaker916_ | so u do a walk animation in 3ds |
| 05:13.42 | SoulTaker916_ | then u have the program exucute that walk animation in the enviroment when the user hits "w" |
| 05:13.50 | Thetubbygoat | ah |
| 05:13.51 | Thetubbygoat | and so forth |
| 05:14.04 | SoulTaker916_ | exactly |
| 05:14.38 | SoulTaker916_ | u look at like the sc2 the file is like 10gb |
| 05:14.49 | SoulTaker916_ | the application is 6mb |
| 05:15.04 | Thetubbygoat | mhmm |
| 05:15.05 | Thetubbygoat | and why is that |
| 05:15.16 | SoulTaker916_ | graphics hold more data |
| 05:15.17 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 05:15.38 | SoulTaker916_ | same for ragnarok its 2mb client and the rest of the 1000mb is graphic data |
| 05:16.21 | Thetubbygoat | lol holy crap |
| 05:16.23 | Thetubbygoat | yeah |
| 05:16.25 | Thetubbygoat | text is pretty small |
| 05:16.27 | Thetubbygoat | so tell me |
| 05:16.32 | Thetubbygoat | why does each trigger start with "bool" |
| 05:16.35 | SoulTaker916_ | u can fit libraries in a gig |
| 05:16.35 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 05:16.36 | Thetubbygoat | it stands for boolean |
| 05:16.37 | Thetubbygoat | im sure |
| 05:16.38 | SoulTaker916_ | no |
| 05:16.42 | SoulTaker916_ | thats a funtion |
| 05:16.48 | Thetubbygoat | oooo |
| 05:16.54 | SoulTaker916_ | so when u make a new item in the trigger editor |
| 05:17.02 | SoulTaker916_ | it will make a new section in the script |
| 05:17.11 | SoulTaker916_ | bool just mean if its a true or a false |
| 05:17.24 | SoulTaker916_ | theres interger, bool,double ect |
| 05:17.28 | Thetubbygoat | oh cool |
| 05:17.37 | SoulTaker916_ | sc2 added unit,unitgroup,and much more |
| 05:17.41 | Thetubbygoat | so i can start with integer, bool, or double? |
| 05:18.08 | SoulTaker916_ | well |
| 05:18.19 | SoulTaker916_ | u have the funtion |
| 05:18.26 | SoulTaker916_ | thats started with the bool or w/e |
| 05:18.37 | SoulTaker916_ | when its done it will return a bool statement |
| 05:18.39 | Thetubbygoat | ya |
| 05:18.41 | SoulTaker916_ | a true or a false |
| 05:18.44 | Thetubbygoat | oooh |
| 05:18.47 | SoulTaker916_ | what happens to it |
| 05:18.53 | SoulTaker916_ | u decide |
| 05:19.02 | Thetubbygoat | so i need to have bool Testconds in there |
| 05:19.05 | Thetubbygoat | for testing conditions |
| 05:19.06 | SoulTaker916_ | void functions wont even do that |
| 05:19.10 | Thetubbygoat | to see if it can run? |
| 05:19.23 | SoulTaker916_ | uh no |
| 05:19.39 | SoulTaker916_ | deeper scripts should run all of your funtions based on the event |
| 05:19.51 | SoulTaker916_ | im not sure the exact way they r programmed |
| 05:20.03 | SoulTaker916_ | sinc ei dont use scripting editor like that |
| 05:20.07 | Thetubbygoat | oh |
| 05:20.14 | Thetubbygoat | i should ask jade about these things huh lol |
| 05:20.19 | SoulTaker916_ | yes |
| 05:20.20 | SoulTaker916_ | u should |
| 05:20.22 | SoulTaker916_ | he knows way mor |
| 05:20.24 | SoulTaker916_ | e |
| 05:20.27 | SoulTaker916_ | just be careful |
| 05:20.35 | SoulTaker916_ | cause he makes things harder than what they are |
| 05:20.36 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 05:21.05 | Thetubbygoat | hahaha i know |
| 05:21.27 | Thetubbygoat | but man, troncraft or whatever it's called is so pretty |
| 05:21.41 | SoulTaker916_ | well graphics r different |
| 05:21.56 | SoulTaker916_ | some of these guys like vail really focus on graphics and lighting |
| 05:22.09 | SoulTaker916_ | while jade focuses on scriptiong |
| 05:22.23 | Thetubbygoat | yeah haha |
| 05:22.32 | Thetubbygoat | i want to be able to make a unit not be able to stop |
| 05:22.34 | Thetubbygoat | and move left and right |
| 05:22.37 | Thetubbygoat | depending on mouse |
| 05:22.38 | Thetubbygoat | that's insane |
| 05:22.55 | SoulTaker916_ | uh |
| 05:23.00 | SoulTaker916_ | u might |
| 05:23.08 | SoulTaker916_ | set deceleration to 0 |
| 05:23.13 | Thetubbygoat | ive tried |
| 05:23.13 | SoulTaker916_ | and see what happens? |
| 05:23.14 | Thetubbygoat | so often |
| 05:23.15 | Thetubbygoat | lol |
| 05:23.19 | Thetubbygoat | it just stops anyways |
| 05:23.31 | SoulTaker916_ | then u should trigger it to continue on |
| 05:23.55 | SoulTaker916_ | but jade may know a better way |
| 05:24.36 | Thetubbygoat | ya |
| 05:24.38 | Thetubbygoat | im sure he does lol |
| 05:24.48 | Thetubbygoat | when is he usually on? |
| 05:25.05 | SoulTaker916_ | its more like "when is he not on" |
| 05:25.12 | SoulTaker916_ | lately tho he hasnt been on much |
| 05:25.40 | SoulTaker916_ | i think he has kids tho |
| 05:26.19 | Thetubbygoat | haha weak! |
| 05:26.38 | Thetubbygoat | i want to become his pupil |
| 05:26.40 | SoulTaker916_ | hey alot of us in here r pritty old |
| 05:26.49 | SoulTaker916_ | thats a bad thign to say |
| 05:26.51 | SoulTaker916_ | if u do thta |
| 05:27.02 | SoulTaker916_ | he will make u take apart the mpq and analize it |
| 05:27.08 | SoulTaker916_ | take u weeks |
| 05:28.14 | Thetubbygoat | yes but i shall learn! |
| 05:28.32 | SoulTaker916_ | only if u love punishment and boredom |
| 05:28.37 | SoulTaker916_ | its like reading a book |
| 05:28.40 | SoulTaker916_ | a big book |
| 05:28.44 | SoulTaker916_ | with no story |
| 05:29.14 | Thetubbygoat | lol |
| 05:29.26 | Thetubbygoat | is that how he got so good at coding it? |
| 05:29.30 | Thetubbygoat | just took apart the MPQ? |
| 05:29.45 | SoulTaker916_ | i suspect he has been coding for a long time |
| 05:29.56 | SoulTaker916_ | and things come natural after coding for awhile |
| 05:30.08 | SoulTaker916_ | and hes codes alot of sc2 stuff |
| 05:30.22 | Thetubbygoat | mhmm |
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| 06:49.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 06:57.51 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 06:58.02 | Dekar | meow! |
| 06:58.20 | JademusSreg | People were making sentences about me, but were gone before I could respond. |
| 06:58.24 | JademusSreg | =S |
| 06:58.27 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:58.38 | Dekar | what sentences? |
| 06:58.51 | Helral|Work | damn I missed them... :( |
| 06:59.31 | JademusSreg | Yeah, they're up there, before you logged on. But the server logs will show it. |
| 06:59.50 | Helral|Work | I'll have to check the server logs tomorrow then ;p |
| 06:59.58 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 07:00.42 | Helral|Work | I notice purl is there, so today's chat history is actually available tomorrow ;p |
| 07:02.07 | Helral|Work | btw my SC2Layout listing is up to date for 1.4: www.helral.eu |
| 07:02.14 | JademusSreg | Coool. |
| 07:02.37 | Helral|Work | did not extract the listing myself this time. someone else did and uploaded it and I used that one. |
| 07:05.02 | JademusSreg | So sleepy. |
| 07:05.05 | JademusSreg | Later. |
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| 07:24.24 | harl | wuff wuff |
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| 07:39.33 | Helral|Work | meow? |
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| 07:41.04 | phoenix7700 | suup |
| 07:41.10 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 07:50.46 | phoenix7700 | hey |
| 07:50.59 | phoenix7700 | i've been trying to figure out this problem with an animation |
| 07:51.10 | phoenix7700 | i get it to work |
| 07:51.11 | phoenix7700 | but |
| 07:51.15 | phoenix7700 | then it doesn't stop |
| 07:51.27 | phoenix7700 | so my units is stuck in the attack animation D: |
| 07:52.00 | phoenix7700 | my events for the actor are like this |
| 07:52.32 | phoenix7700 | Abil.tbSniperAttack.SourceCastStart >AnimPlay {} Attack |
| 07:52.34 | phoenix7700 | that one works |
| 07:52.37 | phoenix7700 | then |
| 07:53.00 | phoenix7700 | Abil.tbSniperAttack.SourceFinishStop >AnimClear |
| 07:53.10 | phoenix7700 | that doesn't ever happen :O |
| 07:53.15 | phoenix7700 | what should i do!? |
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| 07:54.33 | Helral|Work | there is no SourceCastStop event? |
| 07:54.43 | Helral|Work | or SourceCastFinish |
| 07:55.02 | phoenix7700 | there is, but i tried that one |
| 07:55.04 | phoenix7700 | it didn't work either |
| 07:56.03 | Helral|Work | there should also be a way to define whether or not the animation should keep playing or only play it once. |
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| 07:56.17 | phoenix7700 | yea, i tried puting a time limit on it |
| 07:56.19 | phoenix7700 | :D |
| 07:56.20 | phoenix7700 | D: |
| 07:56.41 | Helral|Work | I don't have the sc2editor here :( |
| 07:56.48 | phoenix7700 | ima try to do it another way |
| 07:56.55 | Helral|Work | but try taking a look for something like: AnimPlayOnce orso |
| 07:57.14 | phoenix7700 | hmm |
| 07:57.59 | phoenix7700 | yeah timit limit didn't work :( |
| 08:00.05 | phoenix7700 | ahh |
| 08:00.08 | phoenix7700 | maybe thats the problem |
| 08:00.14 | phoenix7700 | i dont have the even named |
| 08:00.18 | phoenix7700 | event |
| 08:00.33 | phoenix7700 | anim clear i guess cleared tha animation with said name |
| 08:01.57 | phoenix7700 | sweet |
| 08:01.59 | phoenix7700 | it stopped |
| 08:02.04 | phoenix7700 | but then it paused :D |
| 08:05.25 | phoenix7700 | AHHH |
| 08:05.26 | phoenix7700 | ok |
| 08:05.36 | phoenix7700 | this animation shit is way too picky |
| 08:06.26 | Currydevil | sounds like you're having fun |
| 08:06.37 | phoenix7700 | it plays the animation once |
| 08:06.41 | phoenix7700 | animplay |
| 08:06.56 | phoenix7700 | how do i get it to loop :O |
| 08:07.32 | Currydevil | there's a loop forever flag on animplay I believe |
| 08:08.08 | phoenix7700 | i see a time variant |
| 08:08.14 | phoenix7700 | set to -1 |
| 08:08.24 | phoenix7700 | AHh |
| 08:08.26 | phoenix7700 | there it is |
| 08:09.14 | phoenix7700 | yay |
| 08:17.31 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 08:20.01 | Currydevil | here's something for Helral to ponder on in all his kitty wisdomness |
| 08:20.03 | Currydevil | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/26115-i-have-a-footprint-placement-problem/#p5 |
| 08:23.42 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 08:25.10 | Helral|Work | Currydevil: I'm at work so I'm not following links |
| 08:25.19 | Currydevil | aww ok |
| 08:25.22 | Currydevil | well |
| 08:25.39 | Currydevil | if i could post an image in here i would |
| 08:26.03 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 08:26.18 | Helral|Work | so what is the problem? |
| 08:26.45 | Currydevil | placement footprint is messed up when i attempt to build my building on top of the other building required to build on |
| 08:27.05 | Currydevil | See, I have a create unit effect creating 'nodes' around a central tower |
| 08:27.10 | phoenix7700 | thats gonna be hard to explain with pictured >.< |
| 08:27.19 | Currydevil | with pictures? |
| 08:27.20 | phoenix7700 | with* |
| 08:27.22 | Currydevil | or without? |
| 08:27.23 | phoenix7700 | without* |
| 08:27.23 | Currydevil | lol |
| 08:27.29 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 08:27.32 | phoenix7700 | ...lol |
| 08:27.42 | Currydevil | anyways, when i build on some of the nodes, the placement footprint looks fine |
| 08:27.58 | Currydevil | when i try to build on some other nodes, the footprint gets shoved over 1 or 2 spaces |
| 08:28.21 | Currydevil | on one node in particular, the footprint collides with the central building so I can't build there |
| 08:29.10 | Currydevil | 0 = node [ ] = footprint |
| 08:29.18 | Currydevil | good placement looks like [ 0 ] |
| 08:29.26 | Currydevil | with the node in the center of the 2x2 footprint |
| 08:29.32 | Helral|Work | not like [0] ;p |
| 08:29.37 | Currydevil | bad placement looks like 0 [ ] |
| 08:29.38 | Currydevil | lol |
| 08:29.50 | phoenix7700 | bad placement looks more like [0 ] |
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| 08:29.57 | Helral|Work | the node itself is 2x2? |
| 08:30.00 | Currydevil | yeah sort of |
| 08:30.03 | phoenix7700 | with the footprint barely touching the node |
| 08:30.17 | Currydevil | no, the node itself has no pathing/collision/footprint at all. |
| 08:30.31 | Currydevil | maybe that's the problem? |
| 08:30.32 | Helral|Work | you should give the node a footprint. |
| 08:30.40 | Currydevil | hmm |
| 08:30.52 | Currydevil | well, would making collision 0 allow me to walk over it then? |
| 08:30.57 | Currydevil | i assume it will |
| 08:31.00 | Currydevil | but not sure lol |
| 08:31.13 | Helral|Work | create a footprint without collision. |
| 08:31.44 | Helral|Work | you have collision layers and placement layers for footprints. if I remember correctly. |
| 08:31.57 | Currydevil | yes |
| 08:31.59 | Currydevil | hmmmm |
| 08:31.59 | Helral|Work | or was it collision flags and placement layers.... |
| 08:32.12 | Currydevil | pathing, placement check and something else i think |
| 08:32.14 | Currydevil | and flags |
| 08:32.39 | Helral|Work | take the supply depot (lowered) footprint |
| 08:32.41 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 08:32.52 | Helral|Work | it's 2x2 and you can walk on it |
| 08:33.18 | phoenix7700 | ^this |
| 08:33.39 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 08:33.42 | Currydevil | should I give it a placement footprint again? and add it's collision back? |
| 08:33.43 | Currydevil | lol |
| 08:33.59 | Currydevil | and radius. |
| 08:34.11 | Helral|Work | think you only need to add the supply depot (lowered) footprint. |
| 08:34.20 | Helral|Work | radius is ignored if it has a footprint. |
| 08:34.42 | Currydevil | well, i'll give it a go here. added footprint 2x2 (underground) to placement and pathing |
| 08:36.11 | Currydevil | oh well, that would have been lovely had I just left it alone when I made it =D thanks Hel |
| 08:36.46 | phoenix7700 | it always seems so easy after you figure it out |
| 08:37.02 | phoenix7700 | then you punch yourself in the face |
| 08:37.47 | Currydevil | I know right. |
| 08:38.07 | Currydevil | I'm not big on footprints, so it just made sense at the time to remove it all so my units could walk over the nodes. |
| 08:38.33 | Currydevil | But then it makes sense too, that if i'm going to build on top of this bldg, that it has a guide for the new bldg to follow. |
| 08:44.00 | phoenix7700 | alright im off |
| 08:44.14 | Helral|Work | meow :) |
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| 10:00.58 | Helral|Work | meow |
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| 10:10.54 | Dogmai | I was gonna ask you something Helral|Work but i forget what |
| 10:21.20 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 10:22.09 | Helral|Work | Dogmai: www.helral.eu :P the layout structure 1.4 is available :P |
| 10:24.41 | Dogmai | nah i forget what it is, not that |
| 10:28.34 | Helral|Work | hmmmm |
| 10:28.44 | Helral|Work | well then I can not help ya, if you forgot |
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| 11:57.32 | Mexa_ | heyo |
| 12:08.50 | Ashamed | ergz |
| 12:09.17 | Ashamed | why must people make other people wake up this early |
| 12:12.00 | Mexa_ | what people? |
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| 12:53.01 | Ashamed | boss people mexa |
| 12:53.02 | Ashamed | boss people |
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| 13:30.43 | Ashamed | HELRAL HELP DOGMAI NOW |
| 13:30.48 | Ashamed | oh that was hours ago |
| 13:30.49 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 13:31.15 | Dogmai | since when am I more popular than helral? |
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| 14:29.44 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 14:30.09 | Helral|Work | dogmai: since I was gone for a month ;p |
| 14:31.36 | Dogmai | haha |
| 14:31.38 | Dogmai | sif |
| 14:31.48 | Dogmai | we all love you Helral|Work |
| 14:31.57 | Helral|Work | purrrs |
| 14:31.57 | Dogmai | and we all love to hate me |
| 14:31.59 | Dogmai | :) |
| 14:32.08 | Dogmai | is it wierd that turns me on? |
| 14:32.19 | Helral|Work | what? |
| 14:32.25 | Helral|Work | the on/off switch? |
| 14:32.33 | Dogmai | you purrin |
| 14:32.39 | Helral|Work | runs away |
| 14:33.16 | Dogmai | hey come back |
| 14:33.20 | Dogmai | im always gentle with pussy |
| 14:34.26 | Helral|Work | swipes at Dogmai |
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| 14:35.24 | Dogmai | strokes his precious pussy tenderly |
| 14:36.07 | Helral|Work | uses a replacement technique to replce himself with a cactus |
| 14:36.14 | Helral|Work | replace* |
| 14:36.49 | Dogmai | places helral back down upon the cacti, continues stroking |
| 14:37.50 | Helral|Work | uses the cacti as a sword and strikes at Dogmai |
| 14:41.27 | Dogmai | skins helral, places said skin around cacti, continues stroking |
| 14:42.04 | Helral|Work | wanders off to his home to get a new coat from his closet. |
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| 14:51.20 | Dogmai | oh Helral|Work |
| 14:51.23 | Dogmai | i remember now |
| 14:51.49 | Dogmai | how would i see a background image for the inventory slots |
| 14:51.54 | Dogmai | set* |
| 14:52.04 | Dogmai | and i dont mean the background in data |
| 14:52.26 | Dogmai | i mean, when a unit without an inventory is selected, there is a background image there |
| 14:58.30 | Ashamed | WTF.... |
| 14:58.33 | Ashamed | SO GUESS WHAT JUST HAPPENED |
| 14:58.52 | Ashamed | Boot windows last known configuration actually worked.... |
| 15:00.17 | Helral|Work | Dogmai: is there? that transparent square you mean? |
| 15:03.47 | Helral|Work | ah well I'm off cya later all |
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| 15:09.16 | egod | Dustin, my Zelda look like a Starwars 2D rpg with this sword glow haha |
| 15:14.54 | Ashamed | egod make it |
| 15:14.59 | Ashamed | STARWEARS 2D RPG |
| 15:15.05 | Ashamed | screen shot egod |
| 15:15.07 | Ashamed | i wanna see it |
| 15:15.24 | egod | lawl |
| 15:15.31 | egod | i can show you on Bnet |
| 15:15.34 | egod | just log on |
| 15:22.39 | Ashamed | work :( |
| 15:22.52 | Ashamed | did you get the attack working? |
| 15:26.03 | egod | yup |
| 15:26.12 | egod | im making a ennemy today |
| 15:26.33 | egod | will do a fight and record it |
| 15:31.43 | egod | i still dont know how the game will turn, a 2D MMO? Diablo style with random drop and stuff ? a Classic Quest game? a remake? a RP style game? have no idea lol |
| 15:32.00 | egod | im still making the technical stuff but i have to think about it |
| 15:35.43 | egod | maybe will just do a nice terrain and put some monster so people can play and chill in a SNES game, grab some Random quest, group and do it with nice rewards |
| 15:35.57 | egod | the world is pretty big |
| 15:39.18 | egod | i dont want to use a inventory actuelly, people will have to farm (element) and mix them on the sword, so they can have different (sword glow) (Dark, Yellow etc) more good vs ennemy |
| 15:40.08 | Ashamed | egod |
| 15:40.09 | Ashamed | you can make it good |
| 15:40.43 | Ashamed | :) um i dunno if this will work but a concept i am working on is scaling sc2 down |
| 15:40.56 | Ashamed | i have only managed to test attacks and lag with alot of units |
| 15:40.58 | egod | scaling? |
| 15:41.05 | Ashamed | and it works well with about 30-40 units attacking |
| 15:41.34 | egod | ah |
| 15:43.28 | Ashamed | i have scaled units down to 0.02 percent |
| 15:43.43 | egod | its small lol |
| 15:43.46 | Ashamed | and managed to make it take about 1 1/2 hours to walk accross the entire map |
| 15:43.52 | Ashamed | and thats in a straight line |
| 15:43.53 | egod | haha |
| 15:44.18 | Ashamed | it will be made into some open rpg at some point |
| 15:44.24 | egod | actuelly, when you do 2D game like me, everything is very small |
| 15:44.32 | Ashamed | yeah i figured |
| 15:44.40 | Ashamed | you have tne entire zelda map on there? |
| 15:44.45 | egod | yup |
| 15:44.54 | Ashamed | is it scaled close to the normal game? |
| 15:45.01 | egod | nah |
| 15:45.05 | egod | its more small like |
| 15:45.17 | egod | the big World map take around 50% of the terrain |
| 15:45.25 | egod | Dungeons and stuff take maybe 30% |
| 15:45.33 | Ashamed | honestly i think the best way to make a really big map is to design your own models |
| 15:45.40 | Ashamed | and make them all work at a much smaller scale then sc2 |
| 15:45.48 | Ashamed | and then inport |
| 15:46.07 | Ashamed | but the way i am doing it iwll work >< |
| 15:46.07 | Ashamed | it may not look very pretty though |
| 15:46.07 | Ashamed | right now the terrain looks very bad and zoomed in |
| 15:46.13 | Ashamed | but mby i will have to do something like you |
| 15:46.26 | egod | yup, but in a 2D image on background, it look beautiful |
| 15:46.35 | egod | + with the patch |
| 15:46.39 | egod | it work better |
| 15:46.40 | Ashamed | but the modals are all good |
| 15:46.41 | Ashamed | and the camera |
| 15:46.55 | Ashamed | like if i take the terran away so its just black |
| 15:46.59 | Ashamed | you couldn't tell its a differnt scale |
| 15:47.02 | egod | before i had to reload the editor each time i tested the map cause my (background world map) diasper |
| 15:47.08 | egod | now they fix it |
| 15:47.13 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 15:47.17 | Ashamed | nice |
| 15:47.21 | Ashamed | the ZOMBIE AWAKENS |
| 15:48.05 | Ashamed | i so got my quata today |
| 15:48.08 | Ashamed | and with only 2 customers |
| 15:50.30 | egod | my 2D sprite engine work very veyr well, i should make a tutorial and everyone will use it haha, its smooth and you just ahve to remplace the .tga file and it work |
| 15:50.47 | JademusSreg | Good idea. |
| 15:50.51 | Ashamed | yeah egod make it |
| 15:51.00 | Ashamed | egod its easy to make sprites |
| 15:51.07 | Ashamed | so people can make custom assetts |
| 15:51.10 | Ashamed | and feel all special |
| 15:51.46 | egod | its more easy than you think, my texttag just follow a unit movement, and i dont use WASD, fully mouse controled |
| 15:52.11 | Ashamed | egod use camera yaw |
| 15:52.19 | Ashamed | i created a system that works off the mouse and camera yaw |
| 15:52.23 | Ashamed | now wasd |
| 15:52.35 | Ashamed | it pretty much moves like wow if you press both the mouse buttons down |
| 15:52.38 | JademusSreg | Haha, that would make it go crazy. |
| 15:52.38 | Ashamed | and use your mouse |
| 15:52.40 | Ashamed | instead of wasd |
| 15:52.48 | JademusSreg | Since it uses text tags. |
| 15:52.51 | Ashamed | oh |
| 15:52.56 | egod | i hate it |
| 15:52.56 | egod | im not a fans of WASD |
| 15:53.00 | Ashamed | me neither |
| 15:53.06 | Ashamed | but i create a rpg movement system |
| 15:53.09 | Ashamed | and its not sc2 |
| 15:53.25 | Ashamed | but not wasd so it just lagz the shiz out of my maps |
| 15:53.34 | egod | ah |
| 15:53.59 | Ashamed | i am pretty much make it opposite then wow.. movement = mouse.. battle = keyboard |
| 15:54.08 | egod | yeah |
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| 15:59.02 | egod | wow, in 2 years, this is the fix time my laptop CRASHED (freeze screen) |
| 15:59.04 | egod | first time |
| 16:01.20 | egod | i think i will mix Warcraft 2 , 2D unit in my Zelda Link to teh past, 2xWorld meet each other or something like this |
| 16:04.19 | Ashamed | oooh shiz |
| 16:04.24 | Ashamed | ima just have an epic map |
| 16:04.33 | Ashamed | but it wont ever get finished |
| 16:04.34 | Ashamed | :( |
| 16:04.53 | Ashamed | I think my current project is going to be all custom UI |
| 16:04.55 | egod | hehe |
| 16:05.03 | egod | you have to, its the best |
| 16:05.06 | Ashamed | i created icon boarders already |
| 16:05.23 | Ashamed | i just need to figure out this damned ALPHA LAYER and SC2 TRANSPARANCY |
| 16:05.56 | Mexa_ | It's very easy |
| 16:06.00 | Mexa_ | Are you using photoshop` |
| 16:06.00 | egod | its not hard ya |
| 16:06.19 | egod | Gimp! |
| 16:06.22 | Mexa_ | *? |
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| 16:50.24 | egod | how to make 2D rpg in SC2? http://www.livestream.com/egodzeldax2drpg |
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| 16:52.20 | JademusSreg | Streams in this community are notoriously unsuccessful; it's like a matryoshka set of niches. |
| 16:52.28 | egod | hahaha i know |
| 16:52.32 | Brainshack1 | day9 is on^^ |
| 16:53.18 | JademusSreg | Day9 appeals to the largest set of the SC2 community: melee players. |
| 16:54.10 | Brainshack1 | lol JademusSreg I wasn'T referring to what you just wrote, just thought some of you might be interested in the daily and since he is streaming at this unusual time I thought it might be worthy to mention :D |
| 16:54.18 | JademusSreg | Oh haha. |
| 16:54.41 | JademusSreg | I like watching it occassionaly. Too busy atm, though. |
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| 17:00.11 | Ashamed | Mexa i am using ps |
| 17:00.13 | Mexa_ | heyo |
| 17:00.21 | Ashamed | I have already tried it the way the nets say :( |
| 17:00.43 | Ashamed | i dont know if i am doing the transparancy part right though |
| 17:01.13 | Mexa_ | Do a selection, and in the window where you see the RGB layers, add a new layer called Alpha based on your selection? |
| 17:03.15 | Mexa_ | Ashamed, does it look like this? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/alpha_example.png |
| 17:03.19 | Ashamed | see mby that was what i wad oing wrong :( |
| 17:03.32 | Ashamed | i just want the entire background transparent |
| 17:03.37 | Ashamed | is there a way to do that? |
| 17:03.43 | Ashamed | select the entire background?? |
| 17:04.07 | Mexa_ | If you select the entire background and create alpha on that, the whole image will be transparant |
| 17:04.17 | Ashamed | which is not what i want >< |
| 17:04.25 | Ashamed | so i will have to make each selection |
| 17:04.30 | Ashamed | i wish iknew that when i was creating the file lol |
| 17:04.33 | Mexa_ | You can select multiply pieces together |
| 17:04.36 | Ashamed | when i had it all selected |
| 17:04.38 | Ashamed | yeah i know |
| 17:04.41 | Mexa_ | and make an alpha on that |
| 17:04.49 | Ashamed | but i already have fades and shit |
| 17:04.52 | Ashamed | so i cant select it easy |
| 17:04.54 | Ashamed | but thats ok |
| 17:04.56 | Ashamed | i will give it a try |
| 17:05.38 | Mexa_ | Alternatively, you can save the image in png if you want |
| 17:05.45 | Ashamed | but not for sc2? |
| 17:05.50 | Mexa_ | Sc2 supports more image formats than it suggests |
| 17:05.53 | Mexa_ | Yes |
| 17:05.58 | Ashamed | oh really |
| 17:06.01 | Ashamed | i rather us png for htis too |
| 17:06.03 | Ashamed | this* |
| 17:06.06 | Ashamed | use* |
| 17:06.29 | Mexa_ | tga, dds, jpg, and png, I confirmed that testing |
| 17:06.31 | Ashamed | i will mess more around with it when i get home |
| 17:06.35 | Mexa_ | *I can confirm |
| 17:06.49 | Mexa_ | I think bmp works too, but I don't remember |
| 17:07.01 | Mexa_ | Not that you even would want bmp or jpg, but still |
| 17:09.40 | Ashamed | I AM HUNGRY |
| 17:11.54 | JademusSreg | If you're Hungary, you should go to Turky. |
| 17:11.57 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 17:12.09 | Ashamed | lol |
| 17:12.26 | Ashamed | or just wait for my qudoba burrito? |
| 17:12.30 | Mexa_ | *Turkey* |
| 17:12.32 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 17:13.11 | Mexa_ | or whatever, you might have said everything intentional |
| 17:13.29 | Mexa_ | oh, neh, they're the same |
| 17:14.14 | Ashamed | TURKEY! |
| 17:15.45 | egod | http://www.livestream.com/egodzeldax2drpg lawl. some people actuelly watch me |
| 17:20.19 | Ashamed | egod i wanna xshow a buddy of mine your sprite work |
| 17:20.30 | Ashamed | link me the tube video you pasted yesterday |
| 17:20.48 | egod | hm |
| 17:20.58 | egod | well k sec |
| 17:21.48 | JademusSreg | Ash, maybe you'd like burrito dentata? |
| 17:21.51 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:22.32 | egod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVX2EVVwUuw |
| 17:22.51 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/burrito.jpg |
| 17:23.02 | Ashamed | yes jade we getg it |
| 17:23.06 | Ashamed | you love burritos with teeth |
| 17:23.37 | JademusSreg | More importantly, it loves you.<3 |
| 17:23.43 | Ashamed | NOU |
| 17:30.32 | Aelie | egod needs some new music |
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| 17:33.49 | Mexa_ | inputs tracker music. |
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| 17:34.09 | egod | dman trigger take 5 min to load |
| 17:36.08 | JademusSreg | Thank goodness for galaxy scripts and includes. |
| 17:36.09 | JademusSreg | Wahaha |
| 17:37.31 | Mexa_ | how's so Jademus? |
| 17:41.58 | Aelie | what trigger takes 5 minutes to load |
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| 17:45.29 | Ashamed | OOMG |
| 17:45.31 | Ashamed | YOu guys need to see this |
| 17:46.57 | Ashamed | so i go to remote onto this clients computer |
| 17:47.04 | Ashamed | look at what the desktop background was set too |
| 17:47.05 | Ashamed | http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/3710/lolpir.jpg?http://imageshack.us/ |
| 17:47.51 | Mexa_ | k |
| 17:47.55 | Mexa_ | It's your desktop? |
| 17:47.58 | Ashamed | no lol |
| 17:48.08 | Ashamed | who needs windows directories |
| 17:48.13 | Ashamed | when you can just make a big picture! |
| 17:48.40 | Mexa_ | And who needs fences, when you can go and develop a static one in paint.. hurr durr |
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| 17:56.45 | SoulTaker916_ | damn class sucks |
| 17:56.53 | SoulTaker916_ | atleast i have this virtual machine running |
| 17:56.54 | SoulTaker916_ | ^.^ |
| 17:56.59 | SoulTaker916_ | porn is my friend |
| 17:57.11 | SoulTaker916_ | jpjp |
| 17:57.24 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 17:57.47 | Mexa_ | And I thought you couldn't constrain yourself, even in the public.-. |
| 17:59.05 | JademusSreg | Hi Taker. |
| 17:59.33 | JademusSreg | I only noticed you and goat's discussion after I was done with some stuff. |
| 18:00.02 | Ashamed | PORN is your friend |
| 18:00.04 | Ashamed | yeah it is |
| 18:00.19 | Ashamed | work is boring too :( |
| 18:00.23 | Ashamed | i had to work through lunch too |
| 18:00.26 | Ashamed | so no nap :( |
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| 18:08.17 | timecat | HOLY SHIT HSOLY SHIT SHOOLY SHIT |
| 18:08.24 | timecat | STRILANC COMMENTED ON MY MAP |
| 18:08.38 | Mexa_ | who? |
| 18:08.44 | Mexa_ | The name ring a bell |
| 18:08.48 | timecat | creator of wc3 pt |
| 18:08.58 | Mexa_ | ah |
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| 18:09.18 | timecat | and he likes it too!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:09.41 | Mexa_ | nice |
| 18:09.47 | timecat | unless its a smurf |
| 18:09.48 | timecat | idk |
| 18:09.55 | timecat | it'd be cool if it really is him |
| 18:11.16 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 18:11.58 | JademusSreg | The odds of someone going through the effort to puppet his handle for something like that is pretty low, so it's safe to assume it's him. |
| 18:12.09 | Aelie | timecat: i think i hit the pathing limit you told me about |
| 18:13.22 | timecat | how's that? |
| 18:13.30 | timecat | (@ aelie) |
| 18:13.40 | Aelie | on the final damage test the guy lost his pathing |
| 18:13.58 | Mexa_ | Awesome... my new female neighbour takes the same class as I am |
| 18:14.01 | timecat | i've been wanting feedback from strilanc since i released it |
| 18:14.09 | Mexa_ | A great reason to not skip it now, I guess |
| 18:14.10 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 18:14.14 | timecat | heh |
| 18:14.55 | Ashamed | ergz i am so tired of all these people that think they know everything about copyright |
| 18:15.04 | Ashamed | even though they have never dealt with anything on copyright |
| 18:15.16 | Mexa_ | It's not solely about copyright |
| 18:15.28 | Aelie | says someone who admits to not having dealt with copyright |
| 18:15.35 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:15.44 | Ashamed | exactly thats why i dont care :) |
| 18:15.53 | Ashamed | i admit i dont know how it works |
| 18:16.01 | Ashamed | at least i dont try to sound like i know what the fuck i am talking about |
| 18:16.03 | Aelie | just because i know nothign about theoretical physics |
| 18:16.04 | Ashamed | because i dont |
| 18:16.05 | Mexa_ | Case closed |
| 18:16.21 | Aelie | doesnt mean i should tell anyone who knows somethign theres no way they can know anything about it |
| 18:16.43 | Ashamed | aelie you wont ever know copyright law fully unless you become a lawyer |
| 18:16.55 | Mexa_ | You're not a lawyer |
| 18:16.56 | Aelie | thats just an idiotic statement, to be honest |
| 18:17.13 | Ashamed | and if you want to stay clear of copyright and not get in troulbe make sure if you ever use someone elses work.. that you dont make money :) this will most likly protect you against anyone sueing you at least |
| 18:17.26 | Aelie | were not worried abotu being sued here |
| 18:17.36 | Ashamed | then there is no reason not to try it :) |
| 18:17.36 | Aelie | the only issue here is whether blizzard will ban the map or not |
| 18:17.46 | Mexa_ | It's usually, as long as it's not used for educational purpose |
| 18:17.50 | Aelie | there is, if your blizzard account is potentially at risk |
| 18:17.54 | Mexa_ | *anything else than |
| 18:18.08 | Ashamed | i dont think blizzard would ban one of their map makers |
| 18:18.19 | Aelie | they have before, and will again |
| 18:18.20 | Ashamed | they would just be like our company does not support using other compan ies materials |
| 18:18.22 | Mexa_ | Why not? |
| 18:18.29 | Ashamed | please use our assets or your own |
| 18:18.48 | Ashamed | i see people getting banned for other reasons.. ( account ) |
| 18:18.48 | JademusSreg | From a practical perspective, completely uninterested with the legal dimension, it's almost certainly a violation of the terms. Someone's map was recently banned for using an image of Darth Vader in the map preview, for example. |
| 18:19.02 | Aelie | Ashamed: they already put that in the pop ups that appear when you try and upload a map |
| 18:19.19 | Ashamed | there map was banned right jade? |
| 18:19.25 | Ashamed | did you find out if their account was? |
| 18:19.35 | Aelie | from a legal perspective: yes, it is illegal, no, nintendo will not sue you because of it, unless you try and sell it |
| 18:19.37 | JademusSreg | Yup. The map was banned until it was changed, iirc. |
| 18:19.57 | JademusSreg | Might have been Protect Bob or somethingl ike that. |
| 18:19.57 | Ashamed | jade i would love to see the thread on this |
| 18:20.14 | Mexa_ | Ashamed, I guess the usual is to give you a warning the first time |
| 18:20.23 | Aelie | and just from the perspective of why would you spend so much time on something that has a 99% chance of never being allowed to be on bnet |
| 18:20.29 | Mexa_ | The second time, a suspension |
| 18:20.33 | Ashamed | becuase china made a provate server |
| 18:20.34 | Ashamed | lol |
| 18:20.34 | Mexa_ | a third time, a ban |
| 18:20.59 | Mexa_ | China did not make a provate server |
| 18:21.04 | Aelie | if you think blizzard wont ban this map youre delusional |
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| 18:21.45 | Mexa_ | Perhaps you should take into consideration that lawsuits across the globe is not the easiest thing in the world |
| 18:21.55 | Mexa_ | But it will probably become sued, eventually |
| 18:22.15 | Mexa_ | The developer that is |
| 18:22.53 | Ashamed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.01 | Ashamed | mexa i read something that said it supported 1v1 maps |
| 18:23.19 | Mexa_ | Aelie, though, Nintendo might aswell file a DCMA and have it removed that way, once they know. |
| 18:23.37 | Ashamed | you know what egod should try... ask ninentdo and get permission first |
| 18:23.38 | Aelie | Mexa_: i doubt it would survive that lon |
| 18:23.51 | Aelie | Ashamed: you have a better chance at winning the lottery |
| 18:23.53 | JademusSreg | Nintendo is known for being litigious. |
| 18:23.53 | Ashamed | when ever i am in a iffy position where i am not sure i contact them just in case they say yes >< |
| 18:23.59 | Ashamed | i did it with blizzard once and they said ok |
| 18:24.14 | Aelie | yeah well, nintendo doesnt let ANYONE use their stuff |
| 18:24.16 | Mexa_ | Really? What did you ask for? |
| 18:24.40 | Aelie | in general, gaming companies do not let people use their assets for any reason without a significant payoff |
| 18:24.41 | Ashamed | i had a school newspaper and i wrote an article about sc2..but our news paper was commercial cuz we sold adds |
| 18:24.56 | Ashamed | but they said it was fine :) |
| 18:25.01 | Aelie | thats different than wanting to use their assets in a game |
| 18:25.07 | Ashamed | its not at all |
| 18:25.11 | Mexa_ | it is |
| 18:25.11 | Aelie | yes, it is |
| 18:25.15 | Ashamed | in this situation its actually must differnt |
| 18:25.21 | Ashamed | because i made money off their assett |
| 18:25.23 | Aelie | if you dont see that, this is pointless |
| 18:25.33 | Ashamed | did you not read what i said |
| 18:25.37 | Ashamed | WE SOLD THE NEWSPAPERS |
| 18:25.40 | Aelie | and? |
| 18:25.50 | Ashamed | and they even said they normally wouldn't say yes |
| 18:25.58 | Aelie | you didnt sell the news papers based on their graphics |
| 18:26.00 | Ashamed | but since it was a small highschool news paper that they thought it was fine |
| 18:26.17 | Aelie | anyhow |
| 18:26.21 | Ashamed | it does not fucking matter aelie i had someone elses copyrighted materail on something i made money off of |
| 18:26.26 | Aelie | using their logo in a news paper article |
| 18:26.31 | Ashamed | no just logo |
| 18:26.34 | Ashamed | i had pictures too |
| 18:26.49 | Aelie | is different than using their actuall game assets in another game |
| 18:26.49 | Mexa_ | Pictures from games usually come with fair-use |
| 18:26.51 | Ashamed | you can't tell me that sharing music isn't any differnt but this is |
| 18:26.56 | Aelie | it is |
| 18:27.13 | Aelie | that newspaper likely would have qualified for fair use |
| 18:27.25 | Ashamed | it may of ;0 but thats why i asked |
| 18:27.35 | egod | are you kidding me, you talking again about copyright thing lol |
| 18:27.45 | Ashamed | they could of taken me to court though |
| 18:27.49 | Ashamed | and i would of had to of prove it |
| 18:27.50 | Aelie | Ashamed has some delusional views of the world |
| 18:27.56 | Aelie | im just tryign to correct them |
| 18:28.00 | Ashamed | i dont at all |
| 18:28.07 | Aelie | i doubt they would have bothered |
| 18:28.36 | Aelie | the amount of money it takes to prosecute a case like that would almost certainly far outstrip any money they would have gotten out of you |
| 18:29.27 | Aelie | might i point your attention to the fact that bethesda is suing someone just for calling their game scrolls |
| 18:29.41 | Aelie | not "elder scrolls" |
| 18:29.42 | Ashamed | yeah thats why copyright is soo w/e lol |
| 18:29.49 | Aelie | just scrolls |
| 18:29.53 | Ashamed | becuase if you dont make money the company most likly not going to waste their time |
| 18:30.04 | Ashamed | but that is why blizzard needs to ban maps now |
| 18:30.04 | Aelie | i agree |
| 18:30.13 | Ashamed | becuase now they took the maps in their hands |
| 18:30.13 | Aelie | i also agree |
| 18:30.16 | Mexa_ | Copyright might be old and abused, but it still holds until a better idea shows up |
| 18:30.21 | Ashamed | so companies can go after blizzard |
| 18:30.23 | Ashamed | instead of you |
| 18:30.24 | Mexa_ | And so far, nothing have convinced me |
| 18:30.26 | Aelie | thats what im saying |
| 18:30.28 | Aelie | :p |
| 18:30.41 | Ashamed | aelie that is what i have been saying too |
| 18:30.46 | Aelie | no |
| 18:30.53 | Ashamed | like normally making a zelda map may not mean shit |
| 18:31.03 | Ashamed | but since blizzard has to monitor maps that is why they make it so iffy |
| 18:31.06 | Aelie | youve been saying "blah blah blah what do you know it isnt really illegal" |
| 18:31.13 | Ashamed | because as people are are like who the fuck cares |
| 18:31.17 | Ashamed | but blizzard is a company |
| 18:31.35 | Aelie | i think my mission here is done |
| 18:31.36 | Ashamed | yeah it may not be illegal it depends on the copyright they have on zelda... that is all iw as saying before that |
| 18:31.37 | Aelie | anyhow |
| 18:31.54 | Mexa_ | They aren't going to do anything until people or other companies complain enough. That is one problem. |
| 18:31.58 | Aelie | they have copyright and trademark on the game assets, the characters, the names, and their likenesses |
| 18:32.19 | Aelie | theyve been known to shut down fansites that use images from their games and stuff |
| 18:33.05 | Mexa_ | It reminds me of both Trackmania and Trackmania 2, where you can add any music track to a jukebox on the server and play it |
| 18:33.25 | Mexa_ | But Ubisoft or Nadeo is not going to anything about that unless someone files a DCMA |
| 18:33.32 | Mexa_ | It's the same thing |
| 18:34.29 | Ashamed | mexa i dunno i think blizzard is big enough that they dont care |
| 18:34.35 | Ashamed | if its in a grey zone they are just going to ban it |
| 18:34.54 | Mexa_ | Ubisoft is as big as Blizzard, if not bigger |
| 18:34.58 | JademusSreg | Banned Darth Vader preview image. Nuff said. |
| 18:35.06 | Ashamed | which in this case will prob happen |
| 18:35.08 | Mexa_ | May I remind you that Trackmania have 9 million players |
| 18:35.20 | Ashamed | they only reason i started this conversation is becuase sooo many people just go DONT DO IT |
| 18:35.21 | Mexa_ | *say |
| 18:35.26 | Ashamed | and i am like why the fuck not try |
| 18:35.37 | Mexa_ | Ashamed, quite frankly, the majority don't |
| 18:35.40 | Mexa_ | But I do:P |
| 18:35.51 | Ashamed | Mexa dont get me wrong i am on your side.. i rather just wait and see what happens |
| 18:36.01 | Ashamed | even though i am 95% sure i know what will happen |
| 18:36.10 | timecat | how do i add a new line in sc2mapster forums |
| 18:36.16 | Mexa_ | Yes, it's not like I'm going to report it.. |
| 18:36.18 | timecat | </n> doesn't work |
| 18:36.36 | Mexa_ | But things like Bounty, and him having copyrighted material in his map, which he asked me to publish |
| 18:36.39 | Aelie | Mexa_: ubisoft market cap: 350 million |
| 18:36.47 | Aelie | blizzard market cap: 12 billion |
| 18:36.47 | Mexa_ | ... yeah, I don't cross that line in case something would happend |
| 18:36.55 | Mexa_ | hm |
| 18:37.17 | Ashamed | lol |
| 18:37.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:37.25 | Ashamed | blizzard i think is the richest game company in the world |
| 18:37.30 | Ashamed | right nwo |
| 18:37.31 | Ashamed | now* |
| 18:37.32 | Aelie | hm |
| 18:37.34 | Aelie | i donno |
| 18:37.37 | Mexa_ | Aelie, where did you see that? |
| 18:37.52 | Ashamed | i dont know how they wouldn't be |
| 18:37.53 | Ashamed | with wow subscriptions for the last 10 years |
| 18:37.58 | Aelie | mexa: yahoo finance |
| 18:38.06 | Aelie | i would have said EA but they only have 6.8bil |
| 18:38.12 | Ashamed | not only is it one of the worlds most sold game |
| 18:38.13 | Ashamed | it also has a subscription |
| 18:38.27 | Mexa_ | aha |
| 18:39.04 | Ashamed | lol just had an indian call from our noc |
| 18:39.10 | Ashamed | about glsen site >< |
| 18:39.18 | Ashamed | i almost laughed out loud when he was like gay lesbians |
| 18:39.36 | Ashamed | yes i support glsen >< |
| 18:39.53 | Mexa_ | Nevertheless, they are all huge companies |
| 18:40.05 | Mexa_ | brb |
| 18:40.29 | Aelie | seems like activision blizzard is the best |
| 18:40.39 | Ashamed | there is no way its not |
| 18:40.48 | Mexa_ | link |
| 18:41.00 | Mexa_ | I'm unfamiliar with how yahoo finances work:P |
| 18:41.04 | Ashamed | like imagine all these companies that have great games that hold records |
| 18:41.23 | Ashamed | well now imagine blizzard they have the same exact type of game... but it also cost you 15 dollars a month |
| 18:41.45 | Ashamed | so they still say millions of dollars worth of the game like any other company |
| 18:41.50 | Ashamed | but they also get continue money from it |
| 18:41.57 | Ashamed | sale* |
| 18:42.00 | Mexa_ | nvm, I found it myself |
| 18:42.20 | Aelie | Ashamed: you can think what you want, im just basing it on market caps |
| 18:42.28 | Aelie | and blizzard has by far the highest |
| 18:42.35 | Ashamed | that is what i am saying |
| 18:42.44 | Ashamed | how did you not get that from what i was writing? |
| 18:42.57 | Ashamed | i even said it |
| 18:43.01 | Ashamed | [12:37] <Ashamed> blizzard i think is the richest game company in the world |
| 18:43.12 | Aelie | anyhow |
| 18:43.14 | Aelie | leaves |
| 18:43.19 | Ashamed | lol |
| 18:43.29 | Ashamed | LEAVE THEN |
| 18:49.49 | Mexa_ | Define rich though |
| 18:50.08 | Mexa_ | If you talk about sales, then Nintendo wins |
| 18:51.40 | egod | my fuking sword collision work woot |
| 18:59.47 | Ashamed | just moneyz mexa |
| 18:59.58 | Ashamed | blizzard made a game that not only gave them a shit ton of sales |
| 19:00.19 | Ashamed | it gave them on average 180 dollars more per user that bought the game |
| 19:00.25 | Ashamed | then other companies with top saling gaming |
| 19:00.27 | Ashamed | games* |
| 19:00.47 | Ashamed | so blizard sales wow for like 250 a year |
| 19:01.22 | Ashamed | where yeah nintendo has sold millions of mario games... but they didnt make their mario games cost 250 |
| 19:01.25 | Ashamed | so they still make way less |
| 19:07.11 | Mexa_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph60iKWmtos |
| 19:07.18 | Mexa_ | I'm brainfucked already ;P |
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| 19:24.14 | Ashamed | mexa |
| 19:24.18 | Ashamed | that is breaking copyright |
| 19:27.04 | JademusSreg | Achievement Unlocked: Discovered a new trolling technique. |
| 19:29.42 | Ashamed | w00t |
| 19:29.44 | Ashamed | jade is trollen |
| 19:30.48 | JademusSreg | Your use of "trollen" is breaking Christopher Trollen's copyright. |
| 19:32.14 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:32.15 | Ashamed | Oh shiz |
| 19:32.17 | Ashamed | sue me |
| 19:32.41 | Ashamed | Jade so this is our new form of trolling???? Saying everything is copyrighted? |
| 19:33.10 | Ashamed | someone is making a map called enders battle grounds |
| 19:33.14 | Ashamed | he is breaking copyright |
| 19:33.31 | Ashamed | i need to warn him and start a huge flame fest in his thread |
| 19:33.46 | JademusSreg | Yes. Copyright argument trolling is the hip new thing. |
| 19:33.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:33.53 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:34.03 | Ashamed | jade are you sure that isn't breaking Copyright? |
| 19:34.19 | JademusSreg | Oh shit, someone may have copyrighted that form of trolling already. |
| 19:34.41 | Ashamed | I would check that out before blizzard releases the BAN HAMMER |
| 19:35.16 | egod | is there a way to smaller a blocker path? |
| 19:35.16 | Ashamed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.17 | Ashamed | OMG |
| 19:35.21 | Ashamed | BAN HAMMER IS COPYRIGHTED |
| 19:35.22 | egod | 1x1 square |
| 19:35.36 | Ashamed | you can do 1/4 a square i think,.... |
| 19:35.41 | egod | how |
| 19:35.44 | JademusSreg | Hm. New idea for a map: Trolls. It's like Debates, only... well, I guess it's exactly like Debates. |
| 19:35.58 | Ashamed | egod i made a trigger base block for my super scale map |
| 19:36.10 | egod | how you did that |
| 19:36.32 | JademusSreg | Actually, footprints allow for much smaller shapes. |
| 19:36.48 | Ashamed | listen to jade |
| 19:37.05 | Ashamed | i asked him once |
| 19:37.09 | Ashamed | and couldn't figure it out |
| 19:37.25 | JademusSreg | Go to the footprint editor, make a new footprint, set its dimension to 1 * 1, set the resolution to the finest, and paint one triangle. Tha'ts the smallest. |
| 19:37.49 | Aelie | what is debates |
| 19:38.24 | JademusSreg | The problem with the footprint editor is two-fold; modified / custom footprints do not display in the terrain editor unless acquired from a dependency and each time you modify the footprint shape, it resets. |
| 19:38.43 | egod | k let me see |
| 19:38.47 | egod | hm |
| 19:40.08 | JademusSreg | Footprints have a Shape, and Layers. Shape defines pathing shape for movement, while layers define placement and vision restrictions, and creep generation, shit like that. |
| 19:40.29 | JademusSreg | Each time you modify Shape, it resets, which means you have to redraw it entirely each time you modify it. |
| 19:40.59 | JademusSreg | Which is rage inducing it you're working with detailed footprints. |
| 19:41.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:41.09 | JademusSreg | *if |
| 19:41.23 | JademusSreg | Layers, however, don't have this problem. |
| 19:41.46 | Aelie | what exactly is the range on a no fly zone |
| 19:41.50 | Aelie | just the little circle? |
| 19:42.09 | JademusSreg | Yeah, you can set the radius from its properties. |
| 19:42.25 | Aelie | so im gonna have to have like |
| 19:42.27 | JademusSreg | Just double click on it. |
| 19:42.31 | Aelie | 50 of these thigns in a row |
| 19:42.40 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 19:43.55 | Aelie | god |
| 19:44.01 | Aelie | why couldnt they just make a no flight pathing layer |
| 19:44.12 | JademusSreg | True dat. |
| 19:45.55 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/eLbXf.jpg ? |
| 19:46.25 | Ashamed | jade are you sure you didnt just teach egod how to break blizzard footprint copyright? |
| 19:46.27 | JademusSreg | Oh. Those. |
| 19:46.36 | egod | lol |
| 19:46.44 | JademusSreg | No Fly Zone applies to an entire terrain cliff level. |
| 19:46.48 | JademusSreg | iirc |
| 19:47.02 | egod | meh its kinda impossible to reduce a block path from 1 to 0.5 |
| 19:47.09 | Aelie | so this is totaly unneccesary? |
| 19:47.47 | Ashamed | egod if you cant figure it out |
| 19:47.55 | JademusSreg | Which editor menu did yopu find the No Fly Zone? I'm getting my pathing shit confused. |
| 19:47.55 | Ashamed | i made a trigger that litterally just stopped your unit and turned him around |
| 19:47.58 | Ashamed | as if it was a wall |
| 19:48.03 | Aelie | pathing |
| 19:48.05 | Aelie | :p |
| 19:48.16 | Ashamed | yeah that no-path is a doodad |
| 19:48.18 | Ashamed | isn't it? |
| 19:48.21 | Aelie | nope |
| 19:48.24 | Ashamed | oh |
| 19:48.24 | JademusSreg | There are dynamic pathers that apply to an entire cliff level and there are points with radius values in the terrain pathing menu. |
| 19:48.24 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 19:48.27 | Ashamed | its in pathing |
| 19:48.27 | Ashamed | i rmeber |
| 19:48.32 | egod | hm |
| 19:48.38 | Ashamed | jade i think you are thinking of the doodad no fly |
| 19:48.44 | Ashamed | the one that aelie post i believe works |
| 19:48.55 | JademusSreg | The ones in the terrain pathing menu have a radius; I see you disabled visibility of this feature. |
| 19:48.57 | egod | there any Doodas that block path? |
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| 19:51.01 | Ashamed | egod |
| 19:51.05 | Ashamed | just thought i let you know |
| 19:51.09 | Ashamed | your breaking copyright |
| 19:51.30 | Aelie | that form of trolling is copyrighted |
| 19:51.38 | Ashamed | i know this Aelie |
| 19:51.38 | Aelie | your C&D is in the mail good sir |
| 19:51.40 | Ashamed | i am breaking copyright |
| 19:51.46 | Ashamed | >< OH SHIZ |
| 19:52.01 | Ashamed | Well i copyrighted C&D's So WHAT NOW |
| 19:52.12 | Aelie | no you didnt |
| 19:52.16 | Ashamed | Oh yes i did |
| 19:52.22 | Mexa_ | Ashamed, are you done? |
| 19:52.22 | Ashamed | i own teh copyright |
| 19:52.25 | egod | actuelly |
| 19:52.40 | egod | if i make a (zone) and i order the unit to stop moving constantly |
| 19:52.44 | egod | gonna work? |
| 19:53.02 | Ashamed | egod it may not work like that |
| 19:53.16 | Ashamed | you gotta be creative so it only stops the unit once |
| 19:53.22 | Ashamed | so then they can turn around |
| 19:53.31 | egod | yeah well |
| 19:53.35 | egod | lets see |
| 19:53.36 | Ashamed | mine was a 3rd person map |
| 19:53.41 | Ashamed | so i turned the camera around |
| 19:53.47 | Ashamed | so it forced the guy to go the other direction |
| 19:53.53 | Aelie | blah |
| 19:53.59 | Aelie | totally ignored my no fly zones |
| 19:54.08 | Ashamed | BLAH IS COPYRIGHTED |
| 19:54.35 | Aelie | Ashamed: are you done? |
| 19:54.38 | JademusSreg | Thar we go. |
| 19:54.59 | JademusSreg | Show -> Show Pathing -> Show Mesh |
| 19:55.24 | JademusSreg | That will display the radius values for the no fly pathing points. |
| 19:55.26 | Ashamed | Aelie I am not done... Jade told me to do it |
| 19:55.30 | Ashamed | and i shall never stop |
| 19:55.42 | Ashamed | oh shiz.. wait does that make it copyrighted by jade? |
| 19:56.12 | JademusSreg | Nope. But asking question about my copyrights is copyrighted by me. |
| 19:56.26 | Ashamed | oh shiz |
| 19:56.41 | egod | what is the data field to reduce the range the ennmy can show you and charge you (vision range or something?) |
| 19:56.51 | Aelie | i need a diagonal region |
| 19:56.59 | JademusSreg | I know the feeling. |
| 19:57.00 | Ashamed | but i thought i already copyrighted questions on your copyright? |
| 19:57.16 | JademusSreg | If only they enabled shape tools for water and regions. |
| 19:57.23 | Ashamed | Aelie start mergen them fuckers togethert |
| 19:57.26 | Aelie | are there really no diagonal reguins? |
| 19:57.40 | JademusSreg | Nope. Hilarious, right? |
| 19:57.42 | Ashamed | Aelie > edit merge |
| 19:57.43 | Aelie | i know |
| 19:57.48 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:57.59 | Aelie | hilarioussssss |
| 19:58.06 | JademusSreg | Yesss |
| 19:58.15 | Aelie | any better ideas to keep people in their own areas? |
| 19:58.27 | JademusSreg | I can think of a few ways. |
| 19:58.34 | Aelie | and they are? |
| 19:58.43 | JademusSreg | You can limit the player camera bounds. |
| 19:58.53 | Aelie | bzzzt |
| 19:58.59 | JademusSreg | ah. |
| 19:59.03 | JademusSreg | H+ |
| 19:59.05 | Aelie | try again |
| 19:59.06 | Aelie | :) |
| 19:59.22 | Ashamed | Or just merge the fucking region lol |
| 19:59.22 | JademusSreg | You can detect the move order and cancel it. |
| 19:59.49 | Ashamed | but yeah there might be an easier way mby big regions |
| 19:59.58 | Ashamed | and when other palyers walk into the other player zones region |
| 20:00.01 | Ashamed | thats when it moves them back |
| 20:00.11 | Aelie | too bad the regions are triangular |
| 20:00.20 | Ashamed | oh :( then merge |
| 20:00.43 | Ashamed | or pathing |
| 20:00.44 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:01.04 | JademusSreg | Let's take a more abstract approach. |
| 20:01.04 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/W3y6d.jpg |
| 20:01.59 | Ashamed | i dont get why you need diagnol?? |
| 20:02.01 | JademusSreg | Make a data structure for defining arbitrary shapes in the map space, and associate them with players by storing the Tri's reference in an array indexes by player. |
| 20:02.07 | Ashamed | oh i see |
| 20:02.18 | JademusSreg | Then when their units issue an order, detect if it is in the shape, if not, cancel it. |
| 20:03.10 | Ashamed | there are alot of differnt options combining square regions would work... you could mby use invis units or something like that |
| 20:04.39 | Ashamed | merging regions will be easy just a bit tidius |
| 20:04.52 | Ashamed | tedious* |
| 20:05.06 | JademusSreg | Another way is to define it using rect shape regions, since it's there to limit building anyway, I expect. |
| 20:05.21 | Aelie | oh there we go |
| 20:05.36 | Aelie | once i enabled flying collide |
| 20:05.52 | Aelie | the problem being |
| 20:05.59 | Aelie | someone going into another area and blocking their maze |
| 20:06.51 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 20:10.38 | Aelie | no fly seems to work now |
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| 20:12.29 | Slaydon | ~seen Slaydon |
| 20:12.36 | purl | slaydon is currently on #sc2mapster (46s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 7s, last said: '~seen Slaydon'. |
| 20:12.48 | Slaydon | hmm |
| 20:12.56 | Slaydon | something is weird with my name |
| 20:13.00 | Slaydon | in another webchat |
| 20:13.02 | Slaydon | cant use "Slaydon" |
| 20:18.13 | egod | pretty sure i can fix this blocking thing with a trigger and with zone |
| 20:18.35 | egod | or Dustin can do it |
| 20:18.40 | egod | Dustin |
| 20:20.23 | egod | hey check this out, you like the terrain? |
| 20:20.39 | egod | 2D with 3D |
| 20:20.50 | Aelie | hey JademusSreg |
| 20:20.50 | egod | http://www.livestream.com/egodzeldax2drpg |
| 20:21.00 | Aelie | does morphing count as a created unit |
| 20:21.05 | Ashamed | dustin is dead |
| 20:21.23 | Ashamed | Kansas has been removed from the planet |
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| 20:24.55 | Ashamed | i dont understand customer service |
| 20:24.58 | Ashamed | what happened to it |
| 20:25.09 | Ashamed | >< when i talk to an isp about a buisness being out of internet |
| 20:25.17 | Ashamed | and they tell you someone iwll be out within 72 hours... |
| 20:25.33 | Ashamed | i just want to say are you a fucking moron? |
| 20:32.10 | Ashamed | http://www.history.com/news/2011/09/22/evidence-of-major-ancient-roman-shipyard-found/?cmpid=Social_facebook_Hith_09222011_1 |
| 20:32.18 | Ashamed | this is copyrighted so dont copy it |
| 20:32.21 | Ashamed | just read |
| 20:32.46 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 20:33.21 | JademusSreg | Or at least it shouldn't. I does count as something else though. |
| 20:33.33 | JademusSreg | One of those progress-related events. |
| 20:33.36 | JademusSreg | *It |
| 20:35.27 | JademusSreg | Might be ability. |
| 20:36.21 | JademusSreg | But morphing doesn't create a new unit, since the unit reference remains the same (as opposed to the Replace Unit GUI action, which removes the old unit and creates a new one in its place). |
| 20:36.48 | Aelie | bleh |
| 20:36.57 | Aelie | how can i do this so i dont have to dupe the whole trigger |
| 20:37.02 | Aelie | i hate duplicating code |
| 20:38.01 | JademusSreg | Custom action definition to handle the same thing for both triggers. =D |
| 20:38.09 | JademusSreg | Or do you mean you hate that? |
| 20:38.54 | Aelie | right now i duped the same code and stuck the morph in the events |
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| 20:51.36 | Mexa__ | hmm |
| 20:51.57 | Mexa__ | I wonder why Blizzard went for dds regarding the ui |
| 20:53.03 | Mexa__ | they could save it as png, completely lossless and still be the same or less in size |
| 20:54.10 | Mexa__ | the default terran frame takes up 581,4KB, while it in png takes up 44,3KB |
| 20:54.13 | Mexa__ | hmmmmmm? |
| 20:54.28 | Ashamed | yeah mexa |
| 20:54.33 | Ashamed | when you told me earlier about png |
| 20:54.39 | Ashamed | i was like well why did they user tga then |
| 20:54.40 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:55.09 | Mexa__ | They already had a tga reader/writer since wc3 |
| 20:55.26 | Mexa__ | It could be just modules they decided to have around |
| 20:55.51 | Mexa__ | (And thee png is partially hidden. The editor is not able to preview nor select one) |
| 20:56.04 | Mexa__ | But it works in game, so... hrerpaderpa |
| 20:56.10 | Ashamed | thats funny mexa |
| 20:56.13 | Ashamed | did you find this out |
| 20:56.15 | Ashamed | or someone else? |
| 20:56.20 | Mexa__ | I did |
| 20:56.26 | Mexa__ | ;) |
| 20:56.47 | Mexa__ | I don't recall I knew it before I tested, that is:P |
| 20:57.07 | Ashamed | thats good mexa |
| 20:57.11 | Ashamed | ima mess with it |
| 20:58.26 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/FT1Hs.jpg |
| 20:58.31 | Aelie | blizz ftw |
| 20:58.58 | Mexa__ | lolwut |
| 20:59.06 | JademusSreg | Found this in my quest for pictures and laughed: http://www.thinkgene.com/scientists-successfully-create-human-bear-pig-chimera/ |
| 20:59.57 | Mexa__ | D: |
| 21:00.24 | JademusSreg | Ael, won't this block your flying creeps? |
| 21:00.35 | Aelie | sure, if they tried crossing the boundaries |
| 21:00.52 | Mexa__ | oh lol |
| 21:01.03 | Mexa__ | I almost got fooled by that April's joke |
| 21:01.48 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jademus (~jademus.s@user-24-214-151-48.knology.net) |
| 21:02.11 | JademusSreg | Weird. |
| 21:02.47 | JademusSreg | Anyway, select all of them at once, then hold down Ctrl, and drag, and they'll all snap to grid. Or should, at least. |
| 21:05.08 | Aelie | nope |
| 21:05.11 | Aelie | that rotates them |
| 21:05.31 | JademusSreg | Maybe it's shift then, haha. |
| 21:05.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster SoulTaker916_ (~SoulTaker@108-88-97-1.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:06.30 | Mexa__ | God damn lees outside |
| 21:06.37 | Mexa__ | Can't they shut up |
| 21:07.08 | Mexa__ | They don't have to sing about a shitty plastic bottle of alcohol being passed around |
| 21:07.36 | Mexa__ | Or shouting |
| 21:07.40 | Mexa__ | Q_Q |
| 21:08.43 | egod | QUESTION: What is the DATA field to change the (radius attack of the ennemy) they charge my hero and im very far in the map, how to reduce it |
| 21:10.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa_ (Mexa_@cloud-159-230.eduroam.bth.se) |
| 21:11.14 | Reactorex | egod: The acquisition range? |
| 21:11.28 | Reactorex | Is that what you're asking for? |
| 21:11.29 | JademusSreg | You mean target acquisition? What is the player slot of the creep owning player? |
| 21:12.06 | JademusSreg | Is it a computer, neutral, or hostile? |
| 21:12.35 | egod | attack only when in range? by X |
| 21:12.36 | egod | that what im looking for |
| 21:12.41 | egod | where is that field |
| 21:12.56 | egod | acquisition range? hmmm ya maybe |
| 21:15.21 | Bibendus | sbrofl |
| 21:15.36 | Bibendus | i found a lol animation on aberration model :P |
| 21:16.11 | egod | where is this acquistion field |
| 21:17.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Currydevil (Currydevil@75-142-21-134.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) |
| 21:18.08 | Aelie | geh |
| 21:18.11 | Aelie | this doesnt wortk |
| 21:18.22 | egod | hm |
| 21:18.48 | Aelie | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MDvm0X1P |
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| 21:36.28 | Aelie | anyone want to test with me? |
| 21:36.57 | JademusSreg | Can't. My connection is so bad, I tried to play my map and was nearly dropped from the game. |
| 21:37.10 | Aelie | :< |
| 21:37.16 | JademusSreg | I'm in the process of contacting my ISP so I have someone at which to curse. |
| 21:37.42 | Aelie | you havent dropped from irc |
| 21:40.38 | JademusSreg | I dropped earlier. |
| 21:40.43 | JademusSreg | And I was dropped from tigsource irc a few minutes ago. |
| 21:40.57 | Aelie | oh |
| 21:41.08 | JademusSreg | And I've got pages that simply don't open, and then do. Goddamn rampant packet loss. |
| 21:41.50 | Aelie | someone else play with me :O |
| 21:48.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@p54B962F8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:50.40 | Aelie | sorceror defense isnt even on NA is it? |
| 21:51.02 | JademusSreg | I recall playing it before. |
| 21:51.06 | JademusSreg | Pretty nice. |
| 21:51.39 | Aelie | oh.. its there |
| 21:51.42 | Aelie | but 0 seconds played |
| 21:52.10 | JademusSreg | It was a pretty well made mazing TD, as I recall. |
| 21:52.54 | JademusSreg | One of the first to implement a path drawer. |
| 21:54.38 | Mexa_ | timecat, btw your map is updated |
| 21:55.41 | *** part/#sc2mapster Petoj (~Petoj87@h-60-231.a185.priv.bahnhof.se) |
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| 22:01.35 | Aelie | i was going to make a path drawer but i dont see the point other than being cool |
| 22:03.43 | JademusSreg | It provides vert intuitive feedback, much better than relying on terrain textures to convey they sense of pathing. |
| 22:04.43 | JademusSreg | *very *the |
| 22:06.46 | Aelie | ill take a look |
| 22:15.04 | Bibendus | sigh |
| 22:15.11 | Bibendus | data editor why are you failing |
| 22:15.13 | Bibendus | ! |
| 22:15.24 | Bibendus | WHY Y U NO LISTEN TO ME! |
| 22:36.43 | SoulTaker916_ | i dotn listen to anyone of |
| 22:36.49 | Bibendus | agh |
| 22:36.55 | SoulTaker916_ | except when jade says "LOL" |
| 22:36.59 | SoulTaker916_ | then i have no choice |
| 22:37.03 | Bibendus | why the allow movement flag on my ability is not working :| |
| 22:37.27 | SoulTaker916_ | might be doing it elsewere |
| 22:37.34 | SoulTaker916_ | usaly my problem with data |
| 22:37.47 | SoulTaker916_ | but im no expert on anything |
| 22:46.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa__ (~Mexa@80.78.216.115) |
| 22:50.04 | Mexa__ | So |
| 22:50.23 | Mexa__ | They managed to get a particle to move faster than the speed of light |
| 22:50.26 | Mexa__ | Interesting |
| 22:50.53 | SoulTaker916_ | link it |
| 22:51.07 | Mexa__ | It's in swedish, let me see if I can find the source |
| 22:51.29 | SoulTaker916_ | ive herd about spooky matter |
| 22:51.34 | SoulTaker916_ | which is faster than light |
| 22:51.41 | SoulTaker916_ | but its not exactly moving... |
| 22:51.51 | Mexa__ | It's a neutrino |
| 22:51.53 | Mexa__ | this time |
| 22:52.09 | Mexa__ | So it's not any spooky matter |
| 22:52.21 | SoulTaker916_ | no its jsut some particle quantum entangled with anotherone right? |
| 22:52.26 | SoulTaker916_ | oh |
| 22:52.30 | SoulTaker916_ | i misread |
| 22:52.37 | SoulTaker916_ | well |
| 22:52.38 | SoulTaker916_ | shit |
| 22:52.43 | SoulTaker916_ | now that u said neutrino |
| 22:52.46 | SoulTaker916_ | thats lame |
| 22:53.00 | SoulTaker916_ | they already know neutrinos move faster than light... |
| 22:53.15 | SoulTaker916_ | they move backward in time and do crazy weird things |
| 22:53.22 | Aelie | honestly jade, it just confuses me more, these lights |
| 22:54.14 | Mexa__ | eh |
| 22:54.20 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 22:54.22 | SoulTaker916_ | oh wait |
| 22:54.30 | SoulTaker916_ | i might be thinking tachiyons |
| 22:54.31 | SoulTaker916_ | or somthign |
| 22:54.41 | SoulTaker916_ | shit i got all these particles fking confused |
| 22:54.48 | Mexa__ | If they knew that, this wouldn't have been a such breakthrough with extreme consequences if it's true. |
| 22:55.11 | SoulTaker916_ | i think what happened was they proved it |
| 22:55.17 | SoulTaker916_ | before it was just a theory |
| 22:55.19 | SoulTaker916_ | lets see.. |
| 22:55.50 | Mexa__ | I just wished those swedish articles were giving me an english source |
| 22:56.18 | SoulTaker916_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino |
| 22:56.21 | SoulTaker916_ | ya there u go |
| 22:56.25 | SoulTaker916_ | they just proved it |
| 22:56.27 | Mexa__ | not that |
| 22:56.59 | Mexa__ | ah |
| 22:57.09 | Kueken | they didn't "prove" it |
| 22:57.10 | Mexa__ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484 |
| 22:57.19 | Mexa__ | Well |
| 22:57.25 | Mexa__ | No, they made experiences |
| 22:57.26 | Kueken | they just said, they did not find a mistake yet, but still think there could be one |
| 22:57.28 | Mexa__ | And if it's legit |
| 22:57.54 | Mexa__ | Ofc, but it's exciting to wait for the results and see if it's legit or a false alarm:) |
| 22:58.05 | Kueken | ofc, if it indeed WOULD be legit, it would be a huge deal |
| 22:58.28 | SoulTaker916_ | well it would be a souce of infinate energy or somthing |
| 22:58.34 | SoulTaker916_ | since its traveling faster than light |
| 22:58.37 | SoulTaker916_ | or w/e |
| 22:58.41 | Mexa__ | That's not certain |
| 22:59.23 | Mexa__ | infinite energy relatively the testing we have been doing here |
| 22:59.24 | Kueken | there are just theories |
| 22:59.36 | Mexa__ | They might as well be false |
| 22:59.51 | Mexa__ | And just a coincidence that they appear to be legit |
| 23:00.23 | Aelie | Kueken: maybe you can help me |
| 23:00.26 | SoulTaker916_ | well from what i understand of quantim physics (which isnt much) the faster u go the more energy is needed as somthign with mass approches the speed of light the energy needed becomes infinate thats why |
| 23:00.34 | Aelie | my units seem to be getting lost in the maze |
| 23:00.35 | Aelie | :p |
| 23:00.36 | SoulTaker916_ | the speed of light is the "max speed" |
| 23:00.41 | SoulTaker916_ | cause light has no mass |
| 23:00.44 | SoulTaker916_ | or somthing like that |
| 23:00.56 | SoulTaker916_ | how every |
| 23:00.59 | SoulTaker916_ | however |
| 23:01.01 | Mexa__ | Yes, Einsteins relativity theory |
| 23:01.03 | SoulTaker916_ | i was looking it up |
| 23:01.10 | Mexa__ | His theory can be just as wrong now |
| 23:01.11 | Kueken | thats why theoretical particles with higher speed than light need to have a negative energy density |
| 23:01.15 | SoulTaker916_ | achyon |
| 23:01.16 | Kueken | according to some formula |
| 23:01.18 | SoulTaker916_ | tachyon |
| 23:01.23 | SoulTaker916_ | move faster than light |
| 23:01.37 | SoulTaker916_ | although its a theoritical particle |
| 23:01.41 | Kueken | aelie: could you elaborate? |
| 23:01.48 | Mexa__ | Not all formulas are valid for all input, we know that. |
| 23:02.07 | Kueken | also, all formulas are based on theories, which might be wrong |
| 23:02.13 | Mexa__ | yeah:P |
| 23:02.19 | SoulTaker916_ | yep |
| 23:02.24 | Mexa__ | Anywho |
| 23:02.28 | SoulTaker916_ | but they r trying |
| 23:02.33 | Mexa__ | Interesting thing they got there now on Cern |
| 23:02.42 | SoulTaker916_ | lolz... |
| 23:02.47 | SoulTaker916_ | the company of evil |
| 23:02.54 | SoulTaker916_ | john titor will save us! |
| 23:02.55 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 23:03.35 | Aelie | Kueken: i made a huge maze |
| 23:03.41 | Aelie | they go partway into it |
| 23:03.44 | Aelie | and then just stop |
| 23:03.56 | Bibendus | oh yeah |
| 23:04.01 | Bibendus | I pwned u data editor! |
| 23:04.02 | Kueken | yay, so the issue still exists :/ |
| 23:04.18 | Kueken | I wasn't hallucinating after all :D |
| 23:04.23 | Mexa__ | I'd more say that Google is the company of evil |
| 23:04.28 | Mexa__ | Yet I use it;P |
| 23:04.29 | Kueken | Bibendus: teach me |
| 23:04.37 | Kueken | it keeps pwning me. |
| 23:04.47 | Bibendus | usually data editor pwns me |
| 23:04.55 | Bibendus | but now I started defeating him |
| 23:04.55 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:04.58 | SoulTaker916_ | na |
| 23:05.04 | Mexa__ | I left the data editor alone already. He's too grumpy._. |
| 23:05.05 | SoulTaker916_ | google has defied the goverment |
| 23:05.06 | SoulTaker916_ | altho |
| 23:05.08 | Bibendus | I'm trying to do a charge ability |
| 23:05.13 | Bibendus | by cast target |
| 23:05.14 | SoulTaker916_ | they do liek to snoop people computers |
| 23:05.16 | Kueken | well, I won't even start to guess, who would win a big brother contest, Blizzard or Google :D |
| 23:05.18 | SoulTaker916_ | so, 50/50? |
| 23:05.26 | Bibendus | ye for now |
| 23:05.29 | Mexa__ | huh |
| 23:05.31 | Bibendus | but score is raising for me :P |
| 23:05.38 | Mexa__ | Google would |
| 23:05.39 | Mexa__ | lol |
| 23:05.48 | Mexa__ | Blizzard don't sell information about your computer |
| 23:05.55 | SoulTaker916_ | true... |
| 23:05.56 | Kueken | in terms of worldwide spread and density, probably |
| 23:05.56 | Mexa__ | Nor your integrity |
| 23:05.57 | Aelie | Kueken: so, any ideas? |
| 23:06.00 | Kueken | but in severity? |
| 23:06.02 | Kueken | dunno |
| 23:06.04 | SoulTaker916_ | blizzard code is too glitchy for that anyways |
| 23:06.13 | Mexa__ | I'd still say google |
| 23:06.17 | SoulTaker916_ | but i do know google has social network maps |
| 23:06.21 | Kueken | aelie: Right off the bat? dunno |
| 23:06.24 | SoulTaker916_ | based on emails and youtube and such |
| 23:06.25 | SoulTaker916_ | for users |
| 23:06.35 | Aelie | lol |
| 23:06.40 | SoulTaker916_ | they trace how everyone is interconnected |
| 23:06.44 | Mexa__ | Also, cross-referencing and things |
| 23:06.44 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 23:06.48 | Bibendus | is there a validator for |
| 23:06.52 | Bibendus | in line of sight |
| 23:06.56 | SoulTaker916_ | and this cock |
| 23:06.58 | SoulTaker916_ | jpjp |
| 23:06.58 | Bibendus | for the specified unit |
| 23:06.58 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 23:07.02 | Bibendus | not just for the player |
| 23:07.10 | Mexa__ | brb |
| 23:07.23 | Kueken | hm |
| 23:07.43 | Kueken | could try to combine a search area validator with an arg and a visibility validator |
| 23:07.58 | Kueken | wouldnt be 100% accurate, though... |
| 23:08.07 | Kueken | I doubt there is a native one |
| 23:08.11 | Bibendus | but what if there is a wall |
| 23:08.15 | Bibendus | in middle of 2 units |
| 23:08.21 | Bibendus | and u can see both |
| 23:08.30 | Bibendus | but the unit should not be able to cast through walls |
| 23:08.42 | Kueken | toss in a cross cliff level validator :p |
| 23:09.04 | Bibendus | i'm not using cliffs :P |
| 23:09.10 | Bibendus | and still |
| 23:09.13 | Bibendus | there could be just a mountain |
| 23:09.18 | Bibendus | but both units can be at the same level |
| 23:09.20 | Aelie | if i change it so it only gives one waypoint at a time |
| 23:09.44 | Aelie | will that help? |
| 23:09.49 | Kueken | who knows |
| 23:09.54 | Kueken | try it out |
| 23:09.58 | Aelie | right now im just doing |
| 23:10.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster timecat_ (IceChat77@wifi153226.wifi.wsu.edu) |
| 23:10.10 | Kueken | could you send me the map? |
| 23:10.11 | timecat_ | hmm |
| 23:10.12 | Aelie | hey timecat |
| 23:10.14 | timecat_ | sup |
| 23:10.18 | Aelie | im having the issue you said i would :D |
| 23:10.19 | timecat_ | i need to change my sc2mapster username |
| 23:10.25 | timecat_ | lol which one is that/ |
| 23:10.53 | SoulTaker916_ | anyone know how to get a orical vm to parralell video hardware? |
| 23:10.59 | SoulTaker916_ | cause i have no 3d emulation |
| 23:11.02 | Kueken | he also warned you about it? xD |
| 23:11.18 | Aelie | yeah |
| 23:11.18 | Kueken | iirc I did as well |
| 23:11.27 | Aelie | right when i was starting the map |
| 23:11.33 | Aelie | he warned me about the pathing issues |
| 23:11.34 | Aelie | :p |
| 23:11.40 | Aelie | i totally ignored him at the time |
| 23:12.05 | SoulTaker916_ | lol.. |
| 23:12.08 | SoulTaker916_ | fail.. |
| 23:12.10 | Kueken | would you mind sending me the map? |
| 23:12.12 | SoulTaker916_ | *thumbs up* |
| 23:12.20 | Aelie | yeah hang on |
| 23:12.38 | timecat_ | lol |
| 23:13.13 | Aelie | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tdyAeqJQ |
| 23:13.20 | Aelie | this is probably the only relevant part |
| 23:14.17 | Aelie | the fact that im stacking all the waypoints up like that |
| 23:14.33 | Aelie | my guess is thats the issue |
| 23:14.37 | Kueken | maybe |
| 23:14.48 | Kueken | do you use any stun effects? |
| 23:15.26 | Aelie | only one, but its not a real stun, its just a .01 move speed for 1.5 |
| 23:15.26 | Kueken | there is also the "unit becomes idle" event iirc |
| 23:15.39 | Kueken | you could try re-issuing the order |
| 23:15.56 | Kueken | ofc you need to check, which waypoints you already passed |
| 23:16.22 | Aelie | yeah |
| 23:16.57 | timecat_ | whats the problem aelie? |
| 23:17.09 | Kueken | I would like to play around with it in the map itself, however if you don't want to share it, thats fine as well. |
| 23:17.35 | Aelie | timecat: the damage test guy lost his orders |
| 23:17.57 | Aelie | Kueken: if i laid down a sample maze would it help |
| 23:18.10 | Kueken | sure, if it behaves the same way |
| 23:18.30 | Aelie | the reason im holding off is i want to see if this last fix worked |
| 23:19.51 | Kueken | I don't think its a trigger error |
| 23:20.11 | Kueken | its either some data setting or a hardcoded restriction |
| 23:20.21 | Kueken | would be my guess at least |
| 23:21.08 | Bibendus | mmmmmmm |
| 23:21.14 | Bibendus | whats a validator |
| 23:21.17 | Bibendus | to compare 2 validators? |
| 23:22.03 | Aelie | well, he seems to be running all the way through... |
| 23:23.32 | Kueken | combine ;) |
| 23:23.49 | Kueken | aelie: so it works now? |
| 23:24.57 | Kueken | also, I would suggest a path marker, like in RileyStarcraft's The Sorcerer's Defense |
| 23:25.08 | Kueken | an invisible unit leaving a trail |
| 23:25.19 | Kueken | to see, which path all mobs will take |
| 23:26.36 | Bibendus | combine no |
| 23:26.39 | Bibendus | it's used for |
| 23:26.41 | Bibendus | and or |
| 23:26.45 | Bibendus | I need to make |
| 23:26.50 | Bibendus | validator1 > validator2 |
| 23:27.06 | Bibendus | and they are not properly validators |
| 23:27.20 | Bibendus | because a validator returns true/false |
| 23:27.22 | Bibendus | not a number |
| 23:28.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thetubbygoat (cf3ea5bf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.62.165.191) |
| 23:28.14 | Thetubbygoat | Hello |
| 23:28.43 | Aelie | haha |
| 23:28.45 | Aelie | kueken |
| 23:28.46 | Bibendus | I see a condition validator |
| 23:28.50 | Aelie | bad idea |
| 23:28.50 | Bibendus | but it seems only |
| 23:28.57 | Bibendus | a if x = 1 |
| 23:28.58 | Aelie | i just tried that |
| 23:28.58 | Bibendus | or 2 |
| 23:28.59 | Bibendus | etc |
| 23:29.05 | Aelie | and i couldnt even follow the dots in this maze |
| 23:29.26 | Thetubbygoat | Jademus you here? |
| 23:29.30 | Kueken | then make it, so you can ;) |
| 23:29.44 | Kueken | Bibendus: there are also Function validators |
| 23:29.50 | Kueken | they might be helpful |
| 23:29.53 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/kVMja.jpg |
| 23:29.54 | Kueken | but they blow my mind |
| 23:29.55 | Bibendus | rly? |
| 23:30.10 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 23:30.17 | Thetubbygoat | Yay! |
| 23:30.18 | Bibendus | oh yeah |
| 23:30.22 | Thetubbygoat | Teach me your ways |
| 23:30.22 | Bibendus | it seems the one but mm |
| 23:30.26 | Bibendus | they require |
| 23:30.27 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:30.32 | Bibendus | standalone validators |
| 23:30.35 | JademusSreg | What would you like to know? |
| 23:30.42 | Thetubbygoat | How to code without using the GUI |
| 23:30.46 | Thetubbygoat | err |
| 23:30.48 | Thetubbygoat | you know what i mean |
| 23:30.50 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 23:31.13 | Bibendus | still |
| 23:31.15 | Bibendus | can't use these |
| 23:31.17 | Bibendus | functions |
| 23:31.17 | Bibendus | xD |
| 23:31.20 | JademusSreg | Start by finding a galaxy native reference. You can find it on mapster, or you can extract the .galaxy files from the latest patch mpq. |
| 23:31.38 | Thetubbygoat | lol i should take apart the entire mpq and study it? |
| 23:31.46 | Kueken | start by getting a decend scripting environment xD |
| 23:31.55 | JademusSreg | Haha, SoulTaker was being a bit hyperbolic. |
| 23:32.07 | Thetubbygoat | thats good |
| 23:32.56 | Thetubbygoat | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/1979/ |
| 23:32.56 | Thetubbygoat | ? |
| 23:33.02 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you'll need to decide if you want to work with vanilla galaxy or a language extension. Galaxy++ by SBeier is a pretty good language extension and development environment. |
| 23:33.31 | Thetubbygoat | I have no idea what that means |
| 23:33.32 | JademusSreg | That page hasn't been updated. |
| 23:33.46 | JademusSreg | It doesn't have PlayerHandle, so it's outdated. |
| 23:33.59 | Kueken | just a question: Why do you want to script? |
| 23:34.12 | Kueken | do you have experience with programming languages? |
| 23:34.13 | Thetubbygoat | To be cool |
| 23:34.19 | Thetubbygoat | Ya |
| 23:34.20 | Thetubbygoat | Basic |
| 23:34.22 | Thetubbygoat | T.I. Basic |
| 23:34.24 | JademusSreg | You can develop in notepad, notepad++, galaxy++, codeblocks, et cetera. |
| 23:34.30 | Thetubbygoat | i ahve notepad++ |
| 23:34.33 | Kueken | you should be aware |
| 23:34.35 | JademusSreg | Basically, you need a text editor. |
| 23:34.51 | Kueken | that you dont need to learn script for good maps |
| 23:35.01 | Thetubbygoat | what about for crappy maps? |
| 23:35.06 | Kueken | unlike in WC3 the Gui for SC2 is very good |
| 23:35.23 | Kueken | for crappy maps, you wont need triggers at all ;) |
| 23:35.34 | Thetubbygoat | okay a little bit better than that |
| 23:35.39 | Thetubbygoat | something that requires triggers |
| 23:35.58 | JademusSreg | True dat. I just prefer scripting. It's flexible, allows for includes instead of shitty bloated XML-based GUI libraries, faster, can copy-pasta, and is generally more convenient for me. |
| 23:36.02 | Kueken | well, I use script, because I like to use it. But it is no requirement |
| 23:36.25 | JademusSreg | But there are a number of great maps made without or little scripting. |
| 23:36.26 | Kueken | there is hardly anything you can do with script which you cannot do in gui |
| 23:36.38 | JademusSreg | includes =D |
| 23:36.48 | Kueken | I dont want to talk you ozut of learning it, by no means |
| 23:36.50 | Thetubbygoat | #include what does mean? |
| 23:36.51 | Kueken | *out |
| 23:37.21 | Kueken | but you should ask yourself, if you really want to do it, it is quite a task at first |
| 23:37.36 | JademusSreg | include is a statement that prepends of appends another script and allows access of its contents./ |
| 23:37.47 | Thetubbygoat | it can be over like a year im not crunched for time |
| 23:37.59 | JademusSreg | Though the static keyword is like a private access modifier. |
| 23:38.08 | Thetubbygoat | ah |
| 23:38.16 | Thetubbygoat | i have no idea what you just said |
| 23:38.17 | JademusSreg | *or appends haha |
| 23:38.49 | SoulTaker916_ | JADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:39.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, first thing you need to do is find an up-to-date natives references (like by extracting the .galaxy files from the latest patch mpq). |
| 23:39.26 | SoulTaker916_ | JADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:39.27 | Thetubbygoat | how to extract |
| 23:39.28 | SoulTaker916_ | :( |
| 23:39.30 | JademusSreg | Hi Taker. |
| 23:39.30 | Kueken | or |
| 23:39.37 | Kueken | go in the trigger editor |
| 23:39.38 | SoulTaker916_ | have my bewbies! |
| 23:39.44 | Kueken | show libraries |
| 23:39.54 | Thetubbygoat | trigger editor in blank map? |
| 23:39.59 | Kueken | and look up the functions you can use there |
| 23:40.00 | Thetubbygoat | >.> |
| 23:40.02 | Kueken | yes |
| 23:40.05 | Thetubbygoat | k |
| 23:40.19 | Thetubbygoat | wait shoot |
| 23:40.22 | Thetubbygoat | i cant have sc2 and the editor open at same time |
| 23:40.23 | Thetubbygoat | :< |
| 23:40.25 | JademusSreg | Why would I want to use the trigger editor at all? =D |
| 23:40.30 | Thetubbygoat | i want to do both |
| 23:40.36 | Kueken | it has a natives list |
| 23:40.40 | Kueken | for starters ;) |
| 23:40.42 | JademusSreg | So do I. |
| 23:40.44 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 23:41.14 | JademusSreg | I keep natives.galaxy open in a np++ tab at all times. |
| 23:41.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:41.20 | Kueken | well, I'd recommend g++ anytime, autocompletion makes a natives list obsolete anyway |
| 23:41.28 | JademusSreg | Kinda. |
| 23:41.41 | Thetubbygoat | hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 23:41.50 | JademusSreg | With such a small API, it helps to be familiar with what you can do. |
| 23:42.01 | Thetubbygoat | i see |
| 23:42.06 | Thetubbygoat | and in this library |
| 23:42.08 | Thetubbygoat | does it say what each does |
| 23:42.12 | Thetubbygoat | or do i need to assume? |
| 23:42.19 | Thetubbygoat | and is the syntax just like C++? |
| 23:42.29 | Kueken | the syntax is very similar |
| 23:42.30 | JademusSreg | Autocompletion isn't very helpful if you have to ask if X is possible, or how to do Y. |
| 23:42.42 | JademusSreg | Once you learn that, autocomplete is nice. =D |
| 23:42.43 | Kueken | the functions in the library have descriptions |
| 23:42.58 | JademusSreg | It's superficially like C. |
| 23:43.09 | Thetubbygoat | ok and what if i dont know anything about C |
| 23:43.10 | Thetubbygoat | except that |
| 23:43.24 | Thetubbygoat | . //negates the line |
| 23:43.32 | Thetubbygoat | and that you end with ; |
| 23:43.39 | JademusSreg | If you can understand int ReturnAnInt () { return 1; } you'll do just fine. |
| 23:43.51 | SoulTaker916_ | i told u jade makes things complicated... |
| 23:43.52 | SoulTaker916_ | LO |
| 23:43.56 | SoulTaker916_ | :P |
| 23:43.58 | SoulTaker916_ | good luck |
| 23:44.48 | Thetubbygoat | integer return an integer () <--- dont know what thats for { return that integer; } |
| 23:44.49 | Thetubbygoat | correct? |
| 23:44.53 | SoulTaker916_ | just keep doing what ur doing and ask questions when u get stuck jade is.. crazy i think he likes to be tied up and wipped for forplay... |
| 23:44.53 | HeyRevolver | ball so hard mafuckas wanna find me |
| 23:44.57 | HeyRevolver | that shit cray |
| 23:45.03 | JademusSreg | The // comments out a line, yes, and expressions end with a semicolon, but galaxy doesn't allow multiple expressions on the samel ine, so it's kinda pointless. |
| 23:45.13 | Thetubbygoat | i see |
| 23:45.16 | Thetubbygoat | so all i know is useless |
| 23:45.18 | Thetubbygoat | :< |
| 23:45.20 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:45.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@p5790289E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:45.49 | JademusSreg | Are you familiar with pastebin? |
| 23:46.16 | Thetubbygoat | ya |
| 23:46.21 | JademusSreg | I'll pastebin examples when you have questions that require such. =D |
| 23:46.38 | JademusSreg | Anyway, to break it down |
| 23:46.40 | SoulTaker916_ | jade is very good at that |
| 23:46.41 | SoulTaker916_ | ^.^ |
| 23:46.45 | Kueken | I would start with some easy tasks |
| 23:46.58 | Kueken | for example print a hello world at map init ,) |
| 23:47.03 | Kueken | or create a unit |
| 23:47.14 | Thetubbygoat | okay |
| 23:47.25 | Thetubbygoat | how do i create a unit in the center of the map belonging to player 1? |
| 23:47.25 | JademusSreg | [return type] [function name] ([parameter type] [parameter name]) { [expressions] } |
| 23:47.35 | JademusSreg | That's how functions are defined. |
| 23:47.35 | Thetubbygoat | O_o |
| 23:47.38 | Thetubbygoat | oooh ok |
| 23:47.39 | Thetubbygoat | gotcha |
| 23:47.53 | Kueken | the easiest way to implement script is probably to create a new custom script object |
| 23:47.56 | Aelie | Kueken/JademusSreg: i donno why but he seems to be going all the way this tim |
| 23:48.06 | Kueken | :) |
| 23:48.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:48.10 | SoulTaker916_ | lol |
| 23:48.12 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 23:48.19 | SoulTaker916_ | u need to start this guy on hello world |
| 23:48.22 | SoulTaker916_ | and work there |
| 23:48.29 | SoulTaker916_ | dont try to explain method/fuctions |
| 23:48.37 | SoulTaker916_ | untill u get accouple lectures in |
| 23:48.41 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/sPT5z.jpg |
| 23:48.48 | SoulTaker916_ | i see kids drop basic programming classes cause teachers do that shit |
| 23:48.52 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Kueken is right. Another useful thing to do, if you know a bit of GUI, is to make something in GUI and go to Data -> View Script |
| 23:49.13 | JademusSreg | And then you can find the name of the thing you made and see how it works. |
| 23:49.16 | Kueken | aelie: what are those ugly circles? o_0 |
| 23:49.16 | Aelie | how do i set an ability so that you cant multi use the ability if you have several highlighted |
| 23:49.31 | Kueken | the "Best unit" flag |
| 23:49.32 | Thetubbygoat | ya i was doing that last night jade |
| 23:49.36 | JademusSreg | Uncheck Best Unit |
| 23:49.38 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 23:49.39 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:49.44 | Brainshack1 | yeah i can watch us tv here in germany :D |
| 23:49.59 | SoulTaker916_ | thats |
| 23:49.59 | JademusSreg | How much of it did you understand, goat? |
| 23:49.59 | Aelie | ah, those circles show units that have special upgrades available |
| 23:50.01 | SoulTaker916_ | thats ssad |
| 23:50.05 | SoulTaker916_ | american tv... |
| 23:50.07 | SoulTaker916_ | is weak |
| 23:50.07 | Mexa__ | It's a shame Jademus, btw - If you set a trigger function as static, it wont be found when you try to set it up :| |
| 23:50.11 | Aelie | you normally wouldnt have this many actual gems |
| 23:50.14 | Thetubbygoat | I just recognized a little bit of stuff |
| 23:50.16 | Aelie | im cheating to test |
| 23:50.17 | Thetubbygoat | none of the syntax |
| 23:50.19 | JademusSreg | Mexa, haha. That's funny. |
| 23:50.19 | Thetubbygoat | just the words |
| 23:50.22 | SoulTaker916_ | then people come to american expecting its just like MTV |
| 23:50.23 | Brainshack1 | it has great shows :D |
| 23:50.24 | SoulTaker916_ | lol.. |
| 23:50.26 | JademusSreg | I found that out last week. |
| 23:50.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:50.40 | Mexa__ | yeah, I've known since a while ago too :> |
| 23:50.58 | SoulTaker916_ | 07Thetubbygoat01 |
| 23:51.13 | Thetubbygoat | Soultaker916_ |
| 23:51.23 | Kueken | Thetubbygoat: try to create a new map, delete all triggers and create a new custom script object |
| 23:51.34 | Thetubbygoat | i just now di dthat |
| 23:51.39 | Kueken | okay |
| 23:51.43 | SoulTaker916_ | start in order, helloworld, math, strings,loops, nested loops and if, classes, objects, arrays |
| 23:51.47 | SoulTaker916_ | go like that |
| 23:51.49 | Mexa__ | uh, why was that in orange`? |
| 23:51.49 | SoulTaker916_ | learn in order |
| 23:51.52 | Kueken | the object has 2 fields |
| 23:52.00 | SoulTaker916_ | so u dont get lost and u have percision in ur coding |
| 23:52.01 | Kueken | 1 huge empty text field |
| 23:52.02 | Thetubbygoat | it didnt change anything though |
| 23:52.06 | Kueken | and 1 small line |
| 23:52.22 | Kueken | you see them? |
| 23:52.23 | SoulTaker916_ | thats how they teach programming classes |
| 23:52.28 | Mexa__ | Jademus, hm, I feel like making an extension in visual studio for galaxy ;O |
| 23:52.30 | SoulTaker916_ | thats how u should learn and elevate |
| 23:52.38 | JademusSreg | Mexa, that would be pretty sweet. |
| 23:52.42 | Mexa__ | yeah |
| 23:52.46 | Thetubbygoat | http://i.imgur.com/UhTJ8.png |
| 23:52.51 | Thetubbygoat | thats what it says |
| 23:52.52 | JademusSreg | With Intellisense support, I hope. |
| 23:52.55 | Mexa__ | Yesyes |
| 23:52.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:52.57 | Mexa__ | :> |
| 23:53.06 | Thetubbygoat | with the only trigger being an event that says when chat message is typed |
| 23:53.08 | SoulTaker916_ | use pastebin.com |
| 23:53.09 | SoulTaker916_ | lolz.. |
| 23:53.16 | Mexa__ | I suspect it is possible to use the intellisense tool somewhat already existing |
| 23:53.26 | Thetubbygoat | wait nvm |
| 23:53.26 | Thetubbygoat | k |
| 23:53.28 | Mexa__ | And make an own tpkenizer based of it |
| 23:53.31 | Aelie | Kueken: usually it looks more like this |
| 23:53.32 | Mexa__ | or so. |
| 23:53.32 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/cy1Tf.jpg |
| 23:53.35 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
| 23:53.48 | Thetubbygoat | http://pastebin.com/DJ0KqCkA |
| 23:54.18 | SoulTaker916_ | ok in gui make the trigger say |
| 23:54.20 | SoulTaker916_ | hello world |
| 23:54.21 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 23:54.27 | Thetubbygoat | yessir |
| 23:54.31 | SoulTaker916_ | programing 101 |
| 23:54.32 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:54.35 | SoulTaker916_ | first day of all courses |
| 23:54.40 | SoulTaker916_ | hello world tutorial |
| 23:54.49 | SoulTaker916_ | its the birthright of a programmer |
| 23:54.52 | SoulTaker916_ | a holy occasion |
| 23:54.57 | Kueken | we should change the text into something more fancy :/ |
| 23:54.57 | Thetubbygoat | wheres the library again? |
| 23:55.25 | SoulTaker916_ | include "TriggerLibs/NativeLib" |
| 23:55.25 | SoulTaker916_ | ? |
| 23:55.29 | SoulTaker916_ | is that what u mean? |
| 23:55.35 | SoulTaker916_ | thats a library |
| 23:55.38 | Kueken | libraries are in the trigger editor, show them by pressing ctrl + shift + L |
| 23:55.44 | Thetubbygoat | the API |
| 23:55.47 | Mexa__ | include "TriggerLibs/natives.galaxy" |
| 23:55.56 | Kueken | but you won't need them, if you want to make a hello world in gui ;) |
| 23:55.57 | Thetubbygoat | WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE TELLING ME TO DO |
| 23:56.04 | Mexa__ | ;D |
| 23:56.09 | SoulTaker916_ | make a game |
| 23:56.10 | SoulTaker916_ | that says |
| 23:56.13 | SoulTaker916_ | HELLO WORLD |
| 23:56.17 | Thetubbygoat | just that? |
| 23:56.17 | SoulTaker916_ | thats it |
| 23:56.18 | Thetubbygoat | no event? |
| 23:56.19 | SoulTaker916_ | use the gui |
| 23:56.24 | Mexa__ | a nextgen mmo, ofcourse! |
| 23:56.26 | Thetubbygoat | so delete all the triggers? |
| 23:56.28 | SoulTaker916_ | event= mapinitizliation |
| 23:56.32 | Thetubbygoat | ok |
| 23:56.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster cintiq_ (~cintiq@219-90-157-54.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 23:56.51 | SoulTaker916_ | action = display text "hello world" |
| 23:56.52 | JademusSreg | I tend to launch into whatever I want to do, after reading the language specs and learning some of the API, but I can see how my approach wouldn't work for people without much programming experience. At least Taker is taking the reigns and relieving me of instruction in basic stuff. =D |
| 23:57.14 | SoulTaker916_ | yes |
| 23:57.16 | SoulTaker916_ | im not as good as u |
| 23:57.24 | SoulTaker916_ | but ive been in enough programming courses |
| 23:57.31 | SoulTaker916_ | to baptise this ifidel |
| 23:57.36 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 23:57.39 | SoulTaker916_ | *im on a roll with religious programmign today* |
| 23:57.41 | Mexa__ | infidels? |
| 23:57.47 | Kueken | at a certain point, it is hard to explain the very basics :D |
| 23:57.48 | Thetubbygoat | haha |
| 23:58.00 | Thetubbygoat | TAKE ME AS YOUR PUPIL SOULTAKER916_ |
| 23:58.07 | SoulTaker916_ | ill tach u basics |
| 23:58.11 | SoulTaker916_ | then push u to jade |
| 23:58.19 | Thetubbygoat | yeah |
| 23:58.19 | SoulTaker916_ | cause i dont use galaxy like he does |
| 23:58.22 | Thetubbygoat | that sounds like a plan |
| 23:58.23 | Thetubbygoat | http://pastebin.com/6ggvrB8N |
| 23:58.26 | Thetubbygoat | thats what i have so far |
| 23:58.32 | Thetubbygoat | how do i make it display hello world |
| 23:58.32 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Once you know the basics, I can hand-wave in the direction of a solution like I do with everyone else. |
| 23:58.39 | Mexa__ | Awesome, Jade will deal with everything;> |
| 23:58.39 | Thetubbygoat | hahaha^ |
| 23:58.47 | SoulTaker916_ | even if u do the basics |
| 23:58.51 | SoulTaker916_ | jade is hard to work with |
| 23:58.52 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 23:58.53 | SoulTaker916_ | sometimes |
| 23:58.57 | SoulTaker916_ | good for examples tho |
| 23:58.57 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 23:58.58 | Thetubbygoat | ok gogoogog soultaker |
| 23:59.03 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:59.24 | Mexa__ | I'll be on my herpy way away now for something else to do |
| 23:59.33 | Mexa__ | So long! |
| 23:59.39 | Thetubbygoat | Goodbye |
| 23:59.43 | Dustin | Mmm arbys |
| 23:59.54 | SoulTaker916_ | sorry was turnign it on |
| 23:59.56 | SoulTaker916_ | lets seee |
