| 00:00.42 | timecat | sweet |
| 00:00.44 | timecat | it works |
| 00:08.38 | Fisker | WindowsDeveloperPreview-64bit-English.iso1,346 kB/s - 223 MB of 3.6 GB, 44 mins left |
| 00:08.53 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 00:09.47 | Mexa_ | fisker, what did you say? |
| 00:09.59 | Mexa_ | Are you talkinf about the microsoft build conference? |
| 00:11.23 | timecat | o yay |
| 00:11.31 | timecat | i think v2.0 is about ready for release |
| 00:12.01 | Fisker | was a miss-c/p Mexa_ |
| 00:12.02 | Fisker | but yeah |
| 00:12.09 | Fisker | they released a developer preview of windows 8 |
| 00:12.20 | timecat | o cool |
| 00:12.59 | Mexa_ | Or rather, windows 8 and the developer preview leaked.. |
| 00:13.55 | Mexa_ | oh wait |
| 00:14.01 | Mexa_ | nvm |
| 00:14.02 | Mexa_ | ^^ |
| 00:14.43 | Mexa_ | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home/ I guess I found it |
| 00:26.15 | Aelie | bleh |
| 00:26.25 | Aelie | theres a pretty bad selection of icons in the sc2 assets |
| 00:28.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster grenegg (442a464a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.42.70.74) |
| 00:28.56 | grenegg | Cant use japanese :( |
| 00:28.57 | timecat | are you kidding? |
| 00:29.04 | timecat | you can always make your own too |
| 00:29.08 | grenegg | ã ãã§ãï¼ |
| 00:29.11 | timecat | i did that for my curse tower |
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| 00:32.33 | RipperRoo | aaand another sleepless night :S good evening folks^^ |
| 00:36.58 | AppleOTempest | sc2 editor is very umm.. un.. whats the word... like very un-constant in the way everything works |
| 00:37.07 | timecat | random? |
| 00:37.22 | AppleOTempest | why does the camera follow a random height plane? |
| 00:37.24 | AppleOTempest | WHY |
| 00:38.07 | AppleOTempest | why is there an invisible height plane that cannot be seen or edited that messes up the camera height in ways you cannot touch |
| 00:38.14 | AppleOTempest | :( |
| 00:39.03 | AppleOTempest | i needa make artifcial cliffs with models of the cliff edges on the sides of raised terrain or somthing |
| 00:39.09 | Dustin | inconsitant |
| 00:39.15 | AppleOTempest | yes that |
| 00:39.25 | Dustin | And yes, yes it is |
| 00:40.08 | RipperRoo | hi dustin^^ |
| 00:40.18 | Dustin | Sup |
| 00:40.33 | AppleOTempest | i think this is where lot of other makers of shooters quit |
| 00:40.39 | RipperRoo | ntohing yet^^ |
| 00:45.45 | Mexa_ | awesome... windows 8 have the potential of booting up from 8 seconds |
| 00:45.48 | Mexa_ | That's hot |
| 00:46.32 | AppleOTempest | I can either have a map with complete 3d pathing, aka you can have a building with 10 floors, stairs, you can jump on and off everything you can see, but I cant use any cliffs, or have 2d pathing and cliffs, and i lack resorces to make custom cliffs |
| 00:46.37 | AppleOTempest | this is fustrating! |
| 00:49.56 | timecat | Power towers v2.0 now out |
| 00:54.59 | Dustin | Hell ya |
| 01:01.47 | JademusSreg | I think I'll play some Power Towers. |
| 01:03.27 | JademusSreg | You still haven't disabled race, you rascal. |
| 01:05.04 | Dustin | JademusSreg |
| 01:05.06 | Dustin | you started yet? |
| 01:05.12 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 01:05.21 | Dustin | kk |
| 01:05.29 | JademusSreg | Also, vespene hasn't been changed to a heart icon. Dissapoint. |
| 01:08.05 | JademusSreg | I advise you remove players who have left from the leaderboard. |
| 01:08.47 | Dustin | Woah |
| 01:08.55 | Dustin | Found a bug with the Gen / Out leaderboard |
| 01:09.11 | Dustin | I just upgraded my generator and it gave me 30 kills isntead of adding to my Gen |
| 01:09.14 | Aelie | can you change the attribute names? |
| 01:09.22 | Dustin | yes |
| 01:09.27 | Aelie | how |
| 01:09.40 | Dustin | Just find them on the data editor and change them |
| 01:09.51 | Aelie | i mean armored, light, etc |
| 01:10.00 | Dustin | Check the String editor |
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| 01:10.22 | Dustin | Also hellions are fucked up lol |
| 01:10.39 | Dustin | They push eachother and seem like chickens running around |
| 01:10.46 | Aelie | if i change it in the string editor |
| 01:10.52 | Aelie | will it change in the map editor ui too? |
| 01:11.09 | Aelie | or do i have to make a table of what goes to what |
| 01:11.09 | Dustin | No |
| 01:11.11 | Dustin | the String editor controls that |
| 01:11.24 | Aelie | next question |
| 01:11.32 | Aelie | there are like 6 strings that say armor |
| 01:11.33 | Aelie | ed |
| 01:11.41 | Aelie | do i have to just try each one till i find it |
| 01:12.43 | Dustin | Damn roaches arem essed up to timecat |
| 01:14.09 | Aelie | cool |
| 01:14.10 | Aelie | thanks |
| 01:14.11 | Aelie | :) |
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| 01:23.49 | Aelie | is it possible to turn off the showing the number of upgrades on a weapon |
| 01:30.40 | AppleOTempest | back to stareing at the editor for weeks at a time with a blank face hoping a fix will show itself |
| 02:13.57 | Mexa_ | So, I was thinking the designer panel to be something like this (the one on the right). Thoughts? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/designerpanel_wip.jpg |
| 02:14.48 | AppleOTempest | thoughts? your going to spoil us |
| 02:14.54 | AppleOTempest | im already spoiled |
| 02:14.56 | AppleOTempest | but |
| 02:15.02 | Mexa_ | :)? |
| 02:15.03 | AppleOTempest | us' |
| 02:17.06 | timecat | dustin: yea i added wave formations |
| 02:17.15 | JademusSreg | I've been exploiting unit radius to make impenetrable walls. |
| 02:17.44 | Dustin | Im on wave 43 |
| 02:18.03 | Dustin | Had a couple waves that sit there and sit on their dicks hwen to many get grouped up |
| 02:18.10 | AppleOTempest | what do you mean jademus |
| 02:18.45 | JademusSreg | I'm on wave 28. |
| 02:18.55 | timecat | yea i noticed if units clump up on waypoints they glitch |
| 02:19.09 | Dustin | My hero cant level his abilities up :( |
| 02:19.09 | JademusSreg | In power towers, walls placed diagonally wil block units with large collision radius values. |
| 02:19.33 | JademusSreg | At least that's how it appears. |
| 02:19.39 | timecat | dustin: yea ifixed that |
| 02:19.41 | timecat | v2.2 |
| 02:19.52 | timecat | however |
| 02:20.01 | timecat | crit strike works, it just doesn't show the icon that you have it |
| 02:20.03 | Dustin | damn, .2 versions in the time Ive been playing :P |
| 02:20.04 | timecat | i can't figure out why |
| 02:20.08 | timecat | lol |
| 02:20.25 | timecat | i released 2.0, started up sc2, and was bombarded with bug complaints |
| 02:20.38 | Dustin | the guy im against has 500 output, 6000 output |
| 02:20.44 | Dustin | how the fuck is he keeping up with me |
| 02:20.49 | timecat | lots of storage? |
| 02:21.01 | Dustin | 24k |
| 02:21.03 | Dustin | I got 191k |
| 02:21.08 | timecat | lol |
| 02:21.10 | timecat | good mazing? |
| 02:21.20 | Dustin | HORRIBLE mazing lol |
| 02:21.24 | timecat | idk then |
| 02:21.24 | Dustin | It's jsut throw together |
| 02:21.26 | timecat | maybe he's on easy |
| 02:21.28 | Dustin | Of course im on normal |
| 02:21.30 | Dustin | and he's on easy |
| 02:21.35 | timecat | oh well that'd do it |
| 02:21.39 | timecat | easy is ez as fuck |
| 02:21.50 | JademusSreg | I found the exploit before I died, so I'm in game with 5 life. |
| 02:21.51 | timecat | i upped the difficulty for normal slightly too |
| 02:22.11 | timecat | i want to reward people with good mazes |
| 02:22.59 | timecat | BBL NEED TO DO HW |
| 02:23.02 | Dustin | ya one dude just spammed towersright out of the spawn and got real far |
| 02:23.17 | timecat | la la la i can't hear you |
| 02:23.42 | JademusSreg | Also, the civilian car death models aren't removed. |
| 02:25.04 | timecat | ...wut |
| 02:27.44 | JademusSreg | I'll show you my replay when I'm done. |
| 02:30.31 | JademusSreg | This bug is hilarious. |
| 02:30.51 | JademusSreg | It's like watching cattle being herded into a slaughterhouse. |
| 02:35.09 | Dustin | Timecat |
| 02:35.23 | Dustin | Im not able to put a hydro station on the corners |
| 02:43.11 | timecat | yea i know |
| 02:43.20 | timecat | i need to redo the water in the corners |
| 02:43.32 | timecat | i used cliff height instead of land height in the corners |
| 02:49.06 | Dustin | ahhh |
| 02:59.44 | JademusSreg | I managed to block the entire center off. |
| 02:59.49 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:01.32 | JademusSreg | Wave 43. |
| 03:01.37 | JademusSreg | Pretty outrageous. |
| 03:02.26 | Dustin | beat that shit |
| 03:02.29 | Dustin | :D |
| 03:02.41 | JademusSreg | At this rate, looks like I'll hit wave 70 in 2 more hours. |
| 03:03.05 | Dustin | 12k output with 3k Generation |
| 03:06.46 | AppleOTempest | iv made such an impressive 3d pathing system, that im having trouble letting go of it because it wont work with cliffs at all, and the fix to this.. is to make all the cliff section models.. of manmade and none manmade into doodads, where i then replace all my cliffs and fututre cliffs.. with raised terrain and custom placed cliff wall doodads which im not sure how will work |
| 03:07.06 | AppleOTempest | CONTEMPLATION |
| 03:08.09 | AppleOTempest | and i still dont know if its possible or not to fix the cliff problem im having |
| 03:08.33 | JademusSreg | Evem with the exploit, this is taking too long. |
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| 03:16.47 | JademusSreg | Also, the lag on this map becomes outrageous,. |
| 03:17.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Keyeszx (4c5f80de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.95.128.222) |
| 03:18.23 | Keyeszx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2l1zrzeCow |
| 03:18.24 | Keyeszx | enjoy |
| 03:18.45 | JademusSreg | The space diablo's don't have a minimap radius, it seems. |
| 03:20.52 | Keyeszx | the unit doesn't but can't you just give it a radius? |
| 03:22.30 | JademusSreg | I'm talking to timecat. |
| 03:22.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 03:23.04 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 03:23.47 | Keyeszx | Sorry jademus I didn't see the previous convo so I was just trying to add to it |
| 03:23.53 | Keyeszx | purl where's ______ |
| 03:26.55 | JademusSreg | timecat, the lag in the mid to late game is terribad. I've got 0 fps. |
| 03:34.42 | JademusSreg | I destroyed the sacred shrine, funny. |
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| 03:39.39 | Skittles | hooo |
| 03:39.40 | Skittles | hii |
| 03:39.40 | JademusSreg | Hi Skittles. |
| 03:39.52 | Skittles | So, what's up? |
| 03:40.16 | Skittles | OH! |
| 03:40.21 | Skittles | It's my good friend purl! |
| 03:40.23 | Skittles | Hi purl!~ |
| 03:41.59 | JademusSreg | Not too much. |
| 03:42.00 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:42.40 | Skittles | I see. |
| 03:42.48 | Skittles | Is the editor more kick ass yet? =D |
| 03:44.03 | timecat | ok i am back from my linear algebra |
| 03:44.09 | timecat | and jade: sounds like you need a better comp :P |
| 03:44.15 | Skittles | That sounds rather straight foward. |
| 03:47.29 | timecat | someone lmk when mexa comes online |
| 03:48.24 | JademusSreg | No wai. |
| 03:48.31 | JademusSreg | My comp is a beast. |
| 03:48.46 | timecat | lol idk then |
| 03:48.46 | JademusSreg | Not super high end, of course. =D |
| 03:48.55 | Skittles | sigh |
| 03:49.02 | Skittles | ofc now someone feels like making: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/witch-doctor/ |
| 03:49.22 | JademusSreg | Someone else's towers were ruining my fps. |
| 03:49.34 | JademusSreg | So one of your towers is a resource hog. |
| 03:49.43 | JademusSreg | *At least one |
| 03:49.59 | timecat | hmm |
| 03:50.13 | JademusSreg | So far it's a 3:40 long replay. |
| 03:51.36 | timecat | yea a full game is *long* |
| 03:51.47 | timecat | which is why i added a 35 wave mode |
| 03:54.21 | JademusSreg | That's at Fastest, which means ~1.5 time scale relative to real time, which means I've been playing for about 146 minutes. |
| 03:55.04 | Skittles | bib and sixen are the only names I remember other then yours jade. =( |
| 03:55.41 | timecat | o god lmao |
| 03:55.45 | timecat | some guy in this game |
| 03:55.52 | timecat | is pretending him and his friend made it |
| 03:56.01 | timecat | this should be good |
| 03:56.23 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 03:56.39 | JademusSreg | Aw, I remember you too Skittles. |
| 03:58.57 | timecat | omg |
| 03:59.03 | timecat | i asked him how long he took to make it |
| 03:59.07 | timecat | "1-2 weeks" |
| 03:59.20 | timecat | this guy |
| 03:59.22 | Currydevil | he's pro obv |
| 03:59.23 | timecat | is hilarious |
| 03:59.28 | JademusSreg | Have you implemented mod powers? =D |
| 03:59.52 | timecat | lol not yet |
| 03:59.53 | timecat | i should tho |
| 04:00.01 | timecat | idk tho i think he's funny |
| 04:00.06 | timecat | what should i ask him |
| 04:01.36 | Sixen | ohai skittles |
| 04:01.41 | Skittles | hi |
| 04:01.46 | timecat | hey sixen |
| 04:01.52 | timecat | have you tried my td yet? |
| 04:01.55 | Skittles | Didn't get in the beta after all. =( |
| 04:01.57 | timecat | v2.0 just went live today |
| 04:02.10 | Sixen | nuh uh |
| 04:02.12 | Sixen | been uber busy |
| 04:02.18 | timecat | D: |
| 04:02.21 | Skittles | UBER? |
| 04:02.43 | Skittles | Sandvich time? :3 |
| 04:05.12 | JademusSreg | Runner 23 is the one, timecat. Its death model isn't removed. |
| 04:05.21 | timecat | o ok |
| 04:05.30 | timecat | is that the exact name? |
| 04:05.33 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:05.40 | timecat | ok |
| 04:05.44 | timecat | hmm |
| 04:05.53 | timecat | this guy found a money glitch apparently |
| 04:06.03 | timecat | gonna have to figure out how he did that |
| 04:06.09 | timecat | because i fixed one money glitch |
| 04:07.16 | JademusSreg | I'm down to one life. |
| 04:07.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:07.23 | JademusSreg | Damn drones. |
| 04:07.33 | timecat | lol |
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| 04:13.50 | timecat | lawl |
| 04:13.55 | timecat | best troll i've seen in a while |
| 04:17.18 | JademusSreg | So I just hit wave 68. |
| 04:17.27 | JademusSreg | Invincible Tychus. |
| 04:17.49 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, life stat overflow. |
| 04:18.32 | JademusSreg | Since they use a signed 32 bit fixed-point for life, I guess that means it's negative, and cannot be reduced further. |
| 04:19.11 | timecat | oh great |
| 04:19.19 | timecat | normal difficulty? |
| 04:19.22 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 04:19.38 | JademusSreg | Don't you have an upward bound on life? |
| 04:20.22 | JademusSreg | Like MinI(myFormula,FIXED_POINT_LIMIT), or doesn't the formula account for the limit? |
| 04:20.23 | timecat | so they should have had 510635 life |
| 04:20.41 | timecat | no my hp formula is just a 3rd order polynomial |
| 04:20.55 | timecat | i think what i'll do |
| 04:21.13 | timecat | is once it hits wave 68, keep their life at wave 67's but start adding shields |
| 04:21.33 | JademusSreg | That's a weird approach to scaling, but it would work. |
| 04:22.35 | timecat | what is the max value for a 32 bit fixed point float? |
| 04:23.59 | JademusSreg | iirc, they've got the specs on mapster, sicne I can't recall off the top of my head. |
| 04:24.34 | timecat | ok |
| 04:25.15 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Power%20Towers%20%283%29.SC2Replay |
| 04:25.30 | timecat | oh hey |
| 04:25.37 | timecat | i didn't realize you put my map on the front page jade |
| 04:25.50 | timecat | that accounts for that jump in popularity a few days ago |
| 04:26.13 | JademusSreg | Looks like zelda did that. |
| 04:26.15 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:26.18 | timecat | oh lol |
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| 04:30.33 | JademusSreg | Time for me to rest. Early start tomorrow. |
| 04:30.36 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 04:30.40 | timecat | pce |
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| 04:34.25 | merlinludwig | anyone know if there are any civilization style maps out there? |
| 04:38.27 | timecat | anyone know what the max value for an sc2 floating point is? |
| 04:41.12 | merlinludwig | not sure, dare i ask y? |
| 04:41.21 | timecat | i scaled the difficulty up |
| 04:41.28 | timecat | and wave 68 breaks the amount of hp it has |
| 04:41.40 | timecat | its apparently going over the max value for an sc2 floating point |
| 04:42.21 | merlinludwig | yeah? whatever happened to just using x.x multiplier? |
| 04:42.43 | timecat | what do you mean |
| 04:42.47 | merlinludwig | then again, i suck at math so thats my ghetto way of modifying stuff |
| 04:43.13 | timecat | i figure i'll start giving them shields at wave 68 and on |
| 04:43.14 | merlinludwig | u use complex formulas....i would multiply by a set multiplier |
| 04:43.24 | timecat | doing that doesn't scale it correctly though |
| 04:43.39 | timecat | the x^3 term ramps the difficulty up as you go along |
| 04:43.47 | timecat | you don't want a linear difficulty, it'd be way to easy |
| 04:45.49 | merlinludwig | agreed...but x*((1.0+(difficulty*0.1))*x) should work too right? |
| 04:46.09 | timecat | it doesn't matter if its going over the max value for a floating point |
| 04:46.40 | merlinludwig | figured that would give smaller value |
| 04:46.54 | merlinludwig | but who knows... |
| 04:46.57 | merlinludwig | wait... |
| 04:46.59 | timecat | then it'd be too easy |
| 04:47.00 | merlinludwig | gotta idea |
| 04:47.16 | merlinludwig | add shield values... |
| 04:47.27 | timecat | thats my plan |
| 04:47.32 | timecat | thing is |
| 04:47.37 | merlinludwig | then u could scale by half the value per each |
| 04:47.38 | timecat | how do you get the correct amount of shields |
| 04:48.06 | merlinludwig | make shields = health, cut ur scale in half, and scale both equally |
| 04:48.17 | timecat | oh |
| 04:48.18 | timecat | good idea |
| 04:48.43 | merlinludwig | same amount of "points" but u ur using half the value for calculations |
| 04:48.54 | timecat | yea |
| 04:48.57 | merlinludwig | that should solve floating point issue |
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| 04:49.53 | merlinludwig | as for the money cheat/glitch |
| 04:51.12 | merlinludwig | simply remove the cost of the blocking tower in the antiblock trigger and it will even out... |
| 04:52.05 | merlinludwig | if i understand the problem correctly |
| 04:53.01 | timecat | oh yea |
| 04:53.06 | timecat | i already fixed the money glitch |
| 04:53.11 | merlinludwig | k |
| 04:55.14 | timecat | oh yay |
| 04:55.14 | timecat | i fixed the crit strike icon on the hero tower |
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| 04:55.14 | timecat | one of the requirement nodes was referencing the wrong ability |
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| 06:28.49 | timecat | ! |
| 06:28.53 | timecat | my favorite chatbot is back! |
| 06:29.00 | timecat | ~purl |
| 06:29.00 | purl | purl is, like, a far prettier chatbot than you. |
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| 08:11.07 | Currydevil | *pin drop* |
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| 14:12.35 | 13WAAAOGI | anyone here? |
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| 14:28.08 | Mexa | http://www.gameinformer.com/games/trine_2/b/xbox360/archive/2011/09/13/tour-trine-2-39-s-colorful-sights-in-new-trailer.aspx |
| 14:28.23 | Mexa | Wants already :| |
| 14:41.24 | Aelie | do you know how to add some kind of base to a structure? |
| 14:52.45 | Dustin | base? |
| 14:55.03 | Aelie | yes |
| 14:55.34 | Aelie | im using a small doodad as a structure but i want it to have some kind of patch of dirt or something underneath it that shows how much ground it covers |
| 14:56.37 | Dustin | Those are Texture Splats I believe |
| 14:57.53 | Aelie | can i make one easily? |
| 14:58.18 | Kueken | dunno |
| 14:58.20 | Kueken | can you? |
| 14:58.32 | Kueken | its not that hard to do, I guess ;) |
| 14:59.40 | Aelie | youre not helping Kueken :p |
| 14:59.50 | Kueken | :D |
| 14:59.57 | Kueken | its just an actor like any other |
| 15:00.19 | Kueken | just use an existing splat for another building and copy + modify it |
| 15:02.20 | Aelie | can i use one splat for multiple things |
| 15:02.24 | Aelie | or do i have to duplicate it |
| 15:02.56 | Aelie | doesnt seem like i can |
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| 15:19.31 | AppleOTempest | poop |
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| 15:50.08 | ShlugSalt | hello? |
| 15:50.45 | ShlugSalt | anyone in this chat room? |
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| 15:54.12 | kyr__ | maybe =D |
| 15:55.59 | AppleOTempest | aw whyed he quit i know him |
| 15:56.43 | AppleOTempest | so my new physics system that i just completely made, is not pratical unless you make maps/terraiin completely out of doodads. |
| 15:56.57 | AppleOTempest | all cliffs, terrain height, everything out of doodads, wiht a flat terrain base |
| 15:57.15 | AppleOTempest | just because of blizzards buggy camera |
| 15:58.30 | AppleOTempest | I madea system where you can literallty jump on anything on my map, and do anything u want completely 3d, but as u do, the camera goes up and down around cliff edges, wether it is an actual "Cliff" or steep raised terrain |
| 15:59.19 | AppleOTempest | qq |
| 15:59.19 | AppleOTempest | QQ |
| 15:59.32 | AppleOTempest | TT |
| 15:59.36 | AppleOTempest | | | |
| 15:59.40 | AppleOTempest | TT |
| 15:59.41 | AppleOTempest | || |
| 15:59.53 | AppleOTempest | (_________________) |
| 16:00.51 | Aelie | what. |
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| 16:18.19 | AppleOTempest | QQ |
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| 16:22.40 | ShlugSalt | so is there anyone on that is familiar with 3ds max ? |
| 16:23.16 | ShlugSalt | im haveing problems with opening .3ds files |
| 16:23.46 | ShlugSalt | am i missing a plugin or something? |
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| 16:29.39 | Ashamed | THE WORLD OF TECHNOLOGY |
| 16:30.13 | ShlugSalt | hi |
| 16:33.16 | Ashamed | i sometimes want to choke my users |
| 16:33.24 | Ashamed | especially on cellphone setups |
| 16:33.32 | Ashamed | i hate how everyphone is 100% differnt |
| 16:37.24 | ShlugSalt | you wouldnt happen to know graphics would you? |
| 16:37.32 | ShlugSalt | i need advice |
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| 16:45.26 | Dustin | What kinda graphics help you need? |
| 16:46.08 | ShlugSalt | oh ih |
| 16:46.48 | ShlugSalt | umm im using anim8or so i exported the file in .3ds format |
| 16:47.02 | ShlugSalt | since anim8or cant do .m3 |
| 16:47.29 | ShlugSalt | now i need to import it into 3ds max so i can convert it to .m3 |
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| 16:48.24 | ShlugSalt | the problem is 3ds max i read on the net that it accepts .3ds files but i cant get it to open them |
| 16:48.55 | ShlugSalt | am i missing something? a plugin or ??? |
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| 16:56.07 | ShlugSalt | is anyone familiar with 3ds max 2012? i have what i hope are a couple simple questions |
| 17:01.10 | ShlugSalt | well i be back later in the evening probly more folk on then:) |
| 17:15.54 | Aelie | blegh |
| 17:16.06 | Aelie | im never going to be able to pick out models for all these towers :< |
| 17:16.43 | SoulTaker916_ | i was thinking of loading some of my maps to googlecode so it has a nice changelog, but google code is opensource.... |
| 17:16.52 | Aelie | ? |
| 17:17.06 | Aelie | why is that an issue? |
| 17:17.26 | SoulTaker916_ | cause then anyone can take new maps i make and upload them and try to compete |
| 17:17.31 | SoulTaker916_ | i dont mind the older maps |
| 17:17.43 | Aelie | dont upload the map then? |
| 17:17.48 | Aelie | just do the changelog |
| 17:17.50 | SoulTaker916_ | no shit... |
| 17:17.59 | SoulTaker916_ | im tyring to find a way around it |
| 17:18.08 | SoulTaker916_ | just irratating |
| 17:18.09 | Aelie | or you might be able to make a private project |
| 17:18.27 | SoulTaker916_ | doesnt look like i can on google code |
| 17:18.29 | Aelie | if you arent hosting code |
| 17:18.33 | SoulTaker916_ | they have a all open source policy |
| 17:18.34 | Aelie | i dont see the point |
| 17:18.43 | Aelie | or rather |
| 17:18.48 | Aelie | if the entire project is one file |
| 17:18.50 | SoulTaker916_ | its for organization |
| 17:18.57 | Aelie | theres no point in a source control system |
| 17:18.59 | SoulTaker916_ | it will sync with my computer and find all the changes |
| 17:19.04 | SoulTaker916_ | then ask me about each one |
| 17:19.12 | SoulTaker916_ | then make generate a change long |
| 17:19.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:19.14 | SoulTaker916_ | log* |
| 17:19.19 | Aelie | then |
| 17:19.25 | Aelie | make a project with a random name |
| 17:19.29 | Aelie | dont tell anyone about it |
| 17:19.42 | SoulTaker916_ | ya but then ill have to copy the change log |
| 17:19.47 | SoulTaker916_ | to the game or somthing |
| 17:19.52 | SoulTaker916_ | anyways |
| 17:20.01 | SoulTaker916_ | ill just tinker with it maybe ill find a loop hole |
| 17:20.52 | Aelie | i dont see how google code is gonna be able to see the changes inside a .SC2Map |
| 17:21.13 | Aelie | if you just want a diff |
| 17:21.19 | Aelie | theres programs that do that |
| 17:21.30 | SoulTaker916_ | lol |
| 17:21.33 | SoulTaker916_ | u dont upload |
| 17:21.35 | SoulTaker916_ | sc2map |
| 17:21.42 | SoulTaker916_ | u upload the galaxy version |
| 17:21.52 | JademusSreg | The mapscritp. |
| 17:21.52 | Aelie | ah |
| 17:21.55 | JademusSreg | *script |
| 17:21.58 | Aelie | i suppose |
| 17:22.10 | Aelie | but even then |
| 17:22.18 | SoulTaker916_ | it compares the old one it has to the new one your syncing |
| 17:22.23 | Aelie | a diff of code doesnt make for a very good change log |
| 17:22.27 | SoulTaker916_ | then asks u simple questions to comment on things |
| 17:22.36 | SoulTaker916_ | well |
| 17:22.38 | SoulTaker916_ | its the comment |
| 17:23.02 | SoulTaker916_ | it asks u to descripts sets of changes showing u all the places were the code was changes |
| 17:23.02 | Aelie | id just look at the diff and then write down a line in notepad and then copy that back into your map |
| 17:23.05 | SoulTaker916_ | and u can comment of them |
| 17:23.17 | SoulTaker916_ | ya but for alot of maps |
| 17:23.26 | SoulTaker916_ | thats a huge ammount of text |
| 17:23.31 | SoulTaker916_ | thats hard to organize |
| 17:23.38 | Aelie | not every change is worthy of a line in the changelog |
| 17:23.38 | SoulTaker916_ | that only the hard core players care about |
| 17:23.48 | Aelie | :) |
| 17:23.52 | SoulTaker916_ | well to some people it is and some people its not |
| 17:24.00 | SoulTaker916_ | and for those it is they can read it |
| 17:24.04 | Aelie | version 1.08: fixed a typo |
| 17:24.09 | SoulTaker916_ | google code just organizes the changelog nicely |
| 17:24.13 | SoulTaker916_ | allowing for comments |
| 17:24.23 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 17:24.33 | Aelie | i dont see how you would do that kind of change log and not allow people to see the code |
| 17:24.35 | SoulTaker916_ | people can skip over it |
| 17:24.39 | Aelie | but even then |
| 17:24.49 | Aelie | having the code without the terrain and data |
| 17:25.02 | Aelie | isnt gonna let someone republish and compete |
| 17:25.09 | Aelie | unless theyre super dedicated |
| 17:25.24 | Aelie | and if they do that you should just let them help you :p |
| 17:25.25 | SoulTaker916_ | we r going in this loop you realize that right? |
| 17:25.29 | SoulTaker916_ | we were just talking about this |
| 17:25.31 | Aelie | yeah i know |
| 17:25.32 | SoulTaker916_ | this was my issue |
| 17:25.33 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 17:25.38 | SoulTaker916_ | well |
| 17:25.39 | Aelie | im just saying |
| 17:25.43 | SoulTaker916_ | u can appoint developers |
| 17:25.44 | Aelie | if youre just usign the trigger code |
| 17:25.49 | Aelie | for the change log |
| 17:25.53 | SoulTaker916_ | int he project and they can change code also |
| 17:25.56 | SoulTaker916_ | but ya |
| 17:26.04 | SoulTaker916_ | im trying to keep the riffraft out |
| 17:26.04 | Aelie | that isnt enough to republish without a lot of work |
| 17:26.12 | Aelie | considering how much time it takes to terrain well |
| 17:26.29 | SoulTaker916_ | welll theres a option i found "hide source tab" |
| 17:26.40 | SoulTaker916_ | so i wonder if they could still figure out the link |
| 17:26.40 | Aelie | besides if you ask me |
| 17:26.46 | Aelie | source code should be left open |
| 17:27.07 | SoulTaker916_ | some yes but were u got developer commands in your game |
| 17:27.11 | SoulTaker916_ | its best left closed |
| 17:27.17 | SoulTaker916_ | untill u remove them |
| 17:27.20 | SoulTaker916_ | in my case never |
| 17:27.22 | Aelie | how many times have i had "how did he do that" moments |
| 17:27.27 | Aelie | while working on wc3 maps |
| 17:27.36 | Aelie | thats why you link them to your nick on bnet |
| 17:27.38 | SoulTaker916_ | u can just ask jade |
| 17:27.41 | SoulTaker916_ | im sure he knows |
| 17:27.41 | Aelie | even if they know the commands |
| 17:27.49 | Aelie | im just saying |
| 17:27.57 | SoulTaker916_ | u cant link to ur nick on this |
| 17:27.57 | JademusSreg | What's up? |
| 17:28.04 | Aelie | on what |
| 17:28.08 | SoulTaker916_ | on sc2 |
| 17:28.16 | Aelie | oh really? |
| 17:28.19 | SoulTaker916_ | yes |
| 17:28.21 | Aelie | you cant do something like |
| 17:28.34 | Aelie | "player name = SoulTaker916, then allow -cheat" |
| 17:28.40 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 17:28.42 | Aelie | why |
| 17:28.45 | JademusSreg | Can't compare names. |
| 17:28.55 | Aelie | i find that difficult to believe |
| 17:28.57 | SoulTaker916_ | its a dumb limitation |
| 17:28.58 | JademusSreg | Because PlayerName(int player); returns text format, not string. |
| 17:29.09 | JademusSreg | And text type compares references, not values. |
| 17:29.09 | Aelie | im sure theres a way around that |
| 17:29.15 | JademusSreg | There isn't. |
| 17:29.17 | SoulTaker916_ | aka blizzard fked that up |
| 17:29.58 | JademusSreg | Patch 1.4 will be adding PlayerHandle(int player);, which returns string. |
| 17:30.01 | SoulTaker916_ | jade couldnt you make a function to convert text to strings? |
| 17:30.10 | JademusSreg | Nope. Can't be done. |
| 17:30.21 | SoulTaker916_ | they dont let you go that deep? |
| 17:30.22 | SoulTaker916_ | bummer |
| 17:30.57 | AppleOTempest | feel like half this crap wil magically be fixed in Hots |
| 17:31.06 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:31.09 | AppleOTempest | oh poof better maps possible, howed that happen |
| 17:31.13 | JademusSreg | FOR A PRICE. Muwhahaha |
| 17:31.44 | SoulTaker916_ | these pplz |
| 17:32.00 | AppleOTempest | i bought starcraft when broodwar was already out, and i bought warcraft 3 when frozen throne was already out |
| 17:32.12 | AppleOTempest | havent done any kind of map making before the final game before |
| 17:32.27 | SoulTaker916_ | oh i remember blood war map making |
| 17:32.37 | SoulTaker916_ | i was like 8 years old trying to figure that shit out |
| 17:32.38 | RndmObjcts | hey jade i have a nub question for you |
| 17:32.41 | SoulTaker916_ | i figured it out tho |
| 17:32.42 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 17:32.45 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:33.41 | RndmObjcts | is there a good tut thats just hidden well.. on making a custom chat? and how come when i upload even a blank custom ui my timers and leaderboards all disapear? |
| 17:33.59 | RndmObjcts | sorry thats two xD |
| 17:34.24 | SoulTaker916_ | u need a trigger |
| 17:34.28 | SoulTaker916_ | to show the leaderboard |
| 17:34.29 | Aelie | well |
| 17:34.32 | SoulTaker916_ | even though u make them |
| 17:34.34 | SoulTaker916_ | they arnt show |
| 17:34.41 | Aelie | ive got a work around for that issue at least :P |
| 17:34.46 | Aelie | not for getting names |
| 17:34.52 | JademusSreg | Timer and leaderboard windows, you mean? I've never heard of them being effected by custom UI files. |
| 17:34.56 | RndmObjcts | yea even when i do that they are all hidden still with any custom ui imported and used |
| 17:35.14 | Aelie | SoulTaker916_: add a command that sets a variable in your bank |
| 17:35.19 | JademusSreg | And what sort of custom chat? |
| 17:35.20 | Aelie | then disable it |
| 17:35.32 | Aelie | and just link dev commands to that variable |
| 17:35.33 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 17:35.34 | SoulTaker916_ | but |
| 17:35.40 | SoulTaker916_ | theres a issue with that also |
| 17:35.45 | Aelie | being? |
| 17:35.58 | SoulTaker916_ | well even though banks are stored localy |
| 17:36.02 | RndmObjcts | a custom chat box so instead of the chat just showing up in the middle of the screen its all moved |
| 17:36.15 | SoulTaker916_ | someone can just edit thier bank |
| 17:36.20 | Aelie | you cant just go in and change the bank |
| 17:36.28 | SoulTaker916_ | ya u can |
| 17:36.31 | Aelie | unless theres some way of re-generating the signature |
| 17:36.34 | JademusSreg | I do that in Photon Cycles; I'll show you the layout file I used. |
| 17:36.46 | SoulTaker916_ | did u encrypte it jade? |
| 17:36.53 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/HHeSAGmH |
| 17:36.59 | JademusSreg | I'm talking to Rndm,. |
| 17:37.15 | JademusSreg | But I do use an admin bank in Photon Cycles, as well. |
| 17:37.27 | SoulTaker916_ | ah |
| 17:37.27 | Aelie | ser |
| 17:37.29 | Aelie | see* |
| 17:37.36 | Aelie | besides |
| 17:37.46 | JademusSreg | I manage 3 banks in my map: a stat tracking bank, a ban bank, and an admin bank. |
| 17:37.47 | Aelie | anyone who really wants can look up your dev commands |
| 17:37.47 | SoulTaker916_ | i wouldnt feel comfortable unless i encyrpted it |
| 17:38.02 | SoulTaker916_ | jade is there a way to encrpypt the entry |
| 17:38.13 | Aelie | how does the ban bank work if you cant compare names? |
| 17:38.21 | SoulTaker916_ | jade u know peopel can edit the bank right? |
| 17:38.22 | JademusSreg | Each player gets a stat tracking bank, banned players get a ban bank, and only admins get an admin bank. |
| 17:38.32 | Aelie | you cant just edit the bank |
| 17:38.35 | Aelie | each bank is hashed |
| 17:38.36 | RndmObjcts | oh i see i had no idea it was done in ui files lol.. well i guess my questions work well together. |
| 17:38.47 | Aelie | if the contents dont match the hash then the bank is corrupt |
| 17:38.51 | JademusSreg | They are separate, they have suignatures, and non admins don't get admin banks, so they have nothing to edit. |
| 17:39.03 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 17:39.09 | SoulTaker916_ | but lets say someone is banned |
| 17:39.14 | RndmObjcts | I have a custom ui file i was using for another map and i tried uploading it just because its so basic and when i do it takes my leaderboard windows and timer windows away. |
| 17:39.16 | SoulTaker916_ | cant they just remove the ban banked? |
| 17:39.22 | Aelie | i was just thinking that |
| 17:39.30 | JademusSreg | Yes. So I take minor measures to disquise it. |
| 17:39.36 | JademusSreg | *disguise |
| 17:39.41 | SoulTaker916_ | ive seen people who also hack thier scores on the ladder |
| 17:39.44 | Aelie | how do you get banned in a map anyhow |
| 17:40.14 | SoulTaker916_ | well i guess |
| 17:40.15 | SoulTaker916_ | u do |
| 17:40.21 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Taker, nothing is ever so secure that it cannot be circumvented in theory. |
| 17:40.21 | SoulTaker916_ | open bank and if ban==1 |
| 17:40.23 | SoulTaker916_ | end game |
| 17:40.35 | SoulTaker916_ | well how secure are the banks |
| 17:40.40 | JademusSreg | What matters is that you attempt measures to defeat most in practice. |
| 17:40.41 | Aelie | to changes? very |
| 17:40.42 | SoulTaker916_ | aelie was saying they r hased |
| 17:40.50 | SoulTaker916_ | but last i herd they were not hashed |
| 17:41.00 | Aelie | unless you decompile sc2 to find out how it generates the signature |
| 17:41.20 | Aelie | and that takes a lot more skill than making maps, if you ask me |
| 17:42.09 | SoulTaker916_ | well i might just make some sort of hash script |
| 17:42.13 | RndmObjcts | the ui layout im using is http://pastebin.com/K9thm6Bq is it something in there that hides the leaderboards and timers? |
| 17:42.14 | SoulTaker916_ | that will scramble them |
| 17:42.15 | Aelie | why |
| 17:42.21 | Aelie | blizzard already does it |
| 17:42.36 | JademusSreg | Rndm, your indentation is a mess. |
| 17:42.48 | SoulTaker916_ | h/o i got to check it |
| 17:42.53 | SoulTaker916_ | cause last i check ti wasnt |
| 17:43.06 | SoulTaker916_ | and the cortex maps were having to encrypte them |
| 17:43.33 | JademusSreg | Cortex encrypts using a galaxy version of starcode, by s3rius. |
| 17:43.47 | RndmObjcts | it does that when i put it on pastebin it never shows up the way i have it in the notepad |
| 17:44.09 | JademusSreg | Rndm, probably because you use a combination of spaces and tabs. |
| 17:44.46 | SoulTaker916_ | ya they encrpyt the bank right? |
| 17:46.03 | JademusSreg | Taker, I don't follow your argument; share at what point are you attempting to drive so that we may address it explicitly. |
| 17:46.29 | SoulTaker916_ | im nto arguing im trying to figure out how secure the bank files r |
| 17:46.50 | SoulTaker916_ | cause when i was talkign to the cortex guy |
| 17:47.03 | SoulTaker916_ | he was talking about encrypting passwords for admin and stuff |
| 17:47.20 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 17:47.22 | SoulTaker916_ | lol.. |
| 17:47.34 | JademusSreg | People treat arguments like they are dirty things. =D So funny. It's great to argue; it exposes ideas to the scouring rigorousness of dialog. |
| 17:47.48 | JademusSreg | *dialogue. |
| 17:47.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster SoulTaker916_ (~SoulTaker@108-88-97-1.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:48.00 | SoulTaker916_ | 01<?xml version="1.0" encoding="us-ascii" ?> - <BankList> <Bank Name="TTychus02" Player="1" /> <Bank Name="TZeratul02" Player="1" /> <Bank Name="CampaignPS" Player="1" /> <Bank Name="TRaynor03" Player="1" /> <Bank Name="TTosh01" Player="1" /> <Bank Name="THorner05S" Player="1" /> <Bank Name="TRaynor01" Player="1" /> <Bank 01 |
| 17:48.07 | SoulTaker916_ | doesnt look encrypted to em... |
| 17:48.30 | JademusSreg | You were talking to Motive? |
| 17:48.34 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 17:48.36 | SoulTaker916_ | that guy |
| 17:49.08 | JademusSreg | Those are campaign banks. |
| 17:49.45 | SoulTaker916_ | i dont think i have any oters |
| 17:49.51 | SoulTaker916_ | i havent been on sc2 is soo long |
| 17:49.57 | SoulTaker916_ | and i format reguarly |
| 17:50.03 | JademusSreg | So what was the point of pasting that? |
| 17:50.15 | SoulTaker916_ | its a bank |
| 17:50.42 | JademusSreg | For whose benefit and why? |
| 17:51.35 | SoulTaker916_ | aeklie |
| 17:51.40 | SoulTaker916_ | i got a run ling bank |
| 17:54.21 | JademusSreg | Arguments are good, and you're right to point out the problems with bank-based solutions. We know that banks are vulnerable, but sometimes they are the only options. |
| 17:54.57 | JademusSreg | Use signatures, encrypt the contents if yoy have anything valuable to protect. |
| 17:55.24 | JademusSreg | Taker, were arguing somethnig about banks and hashes? |
| 17:55.32 | SoulTaker916_ | no |
| 17:55.34 | SoulTaker916_ | we r not |
| 17:55.46 | SoulTaker916_ | im trying to figure stuff out |
| 17:55.55 | JademusSreg | Then why would you point out that a campaign bank isn't encrypted? |
| 17:56.10 | SoulTaker916_ | for aelie who says it was an i doubted him |
| 17:56.16 | SoulTaker916_ | and not just campain multiplayer |
| 17:56.24 | SoulTaker916_ | i just edit the bank for protect bob |
| 17:56.27 | SoulTaker916_ | and |
| 17:56.34 | SoulTaker916_ | now my score is rediculously high |
| 17:56.42 | JademusSreg | Does the map use a signature? |
| 17:57.03 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, does the bank contain a field called Signature, and does the map validate it? |
| 17:57.11 | Aelie | yes |
| 17:57.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shadow_Killer (tekoppar@c-2491e455.45-2102-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:57.19 | Aelie | but that isnt perfect security |
| 17:57.27 | JademusSreg | No such thing. =D |
| 17:57.31 | Aelie | anyhow |
| 17:57.34 | SoulTaker916_ | even if it called a signature |
| 17:57.38 | Aelie | if you use the basic bank signature |
| 17:57.39 | SoulTaker916_ | people could view the file |
| 17:57.41 | Aelie | and verify it |
| 17:57.51 | Aelie | that will keep out 99% of would be hackers |
| 17:58.01 | Aelie | the last 1% are impossible to stop with the current tools |
| 17:58.20 | Aelie | honestly the best practice is to just not include admin tools |
| 17:58.24 | Aelie | in a published map |
| 17:58.34 | JademusSreg | A dedicated and competent hacker will find a way; you just do the best you can to prevent it. |
| 17:58.58 | SoulTaker916_ | but i like your idea of a ban |
| 17:59.00 | Aelie | can you put them in a seperate mod and just delink it before you publish? |
| 17:59.02 | Ashamed | no |
| 17:59.04 | Ashamed | no way |
| 17:59.05 | SoulTaker916_ | and separate admin file |
| 17:59.12 | SoulTaker916_ | i just wish it was encrypted |
| 17:59.18 | Aelie | it can be |
| 17:59.29 | Aelie | just know that anyone good can see how you encrypted it |
| 17:59.37 | Aelie | and create their own bank using the same method |
| 17:59.55 | SoulTaker916_ | well if i encrypt it and do it heavily |
| 18:00.00 | Aelie | doesnt matter |
| 18:00.01 | SoulTaker916_ | it would take then a long time |
| 18:00.10 | SoulTaker916_ | to decrypt |
| 18:00.17 | Aelie | you could encrypt it 50 times in a row |
| 18:00.28 | Aelie | and someone could jsut copy your routine and make a new map |
| 18:00.32 | Aelie | and generate a new bank |
| 18:00.41 | JademusSreg | For someone to exploit bank-based admin functionality in a map, one would need to recompile the map components and crack the signature generation, and that's not accounting for any additional (albeit minor) protections a map can employ by encrypting the data before saving it to the bank. |
| 18:00.41 | SoulTaker916_ | lol u know why the goverment doesnt allow encryption greater than 128? |
| 18:00.50 | SoulTaker916_ | so they can quickly decrpte it |
| 18:00.56 | Aelie | .... |
| 18:00.59 | Aelie | they do |
| 18:01.01 | SoulTaker916_ | otherwise everyone would use a 1024 248 encrypotion |
| 18:01.07 | SoulTaker916_ | wich would take them years |
| 18:01.12 | SoulTaker916_ | yes |
| 18:01.15 | SoulTaker916_ | they do in america |
| 18:01.17 | Ashamed | soultaker pgp = terrorist according to our government |
| 18:01.19 | Aelie | you have no idea whar youre talking about |
| 18:01.20 | SoulTaker916_ | 2048* |
| 18:01.35 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:01.36 | Aelie | the standard is AES 256 bit |
| 18:01.38 | Aelie | in the US |
| 18:01.44 | Aelie | with anything important using higher |
| 18:01.58 | SoulTaker916_ | yes |
| 18:02.03 | SoulTaker916_ | thats over closed network |
| 18:02.06 | Aelie | ... |
| 18:02.13 | Aelie | do you have any idea what youre talking about |
| 18:02.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:03.02 | Aelie | the human is by far the weakest link nowadays |
| 18:03.13 | Aelie | and by far i mean |
| 18:03.16 | Aelie | 100000 to 1 |
| 18:03.26 | Aelie | dont make me go fish up xkcd |
| 18:03.42 | JademusSreg | Do eeet. |
| 18:04.05 | Aelie | http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 18:04.28 | Ashamed | i think what soultaker is trying to talk about is when they try to export the programs out of the usa??? |
| 18:04.36 | Ashamed | then they will test it for requirments |
| 18:04.39 | Aelie | ah |
| 18:04.39 | Aelie | yes |
| 18:04.45 | Ashamed | but i dunno if that is exactly how it works |
| 18:04.46 | Aelie | there are export requirements on encryption |
| 18:04.54 | Aelie | i dont think its 128 though |
| 18:04.58 | Ashamed | me neither |
| 18:04.58 | Aelie | 256 |
| 18:05.03 | Ashamed | i think its more code based too |
| 18:05.12 | Ashamed | this or that |
| 18:05.16 | Ashamed | they want to make sure the code isn't going to spy on anyone |
| 18:06.25 | Ashamed | i could design a hash encryption... |
| 18:06.31 | Ashamed | but it would be by no means uncrackable lol |
| 18:06.44 | Aelie | based on a quick search |
| 18:06.55 | Aelie | it seems that the only thing you cant export is military level encryption |
| 18:07.12 | Aelie | which is massive overkill for almost every non military application |
| 18:07.12 | Ashamed | makes sens e |
| 18:07.31 | Aelie | cause lets face it |
| 18:07.40 | Aelie | encrypt something with aes 256 or 512 |
| 18:07.46 | Aelie | and no ones getting into it without the key |
| 18:08.24 | Ashamed | i bet a rainbow table type brute would work |
| 18:08.36 | Aelie | anyhow |
| 18:08.51 | Aelie | the types that can do that arent hacking for more exp in their favorite sc2 map |
| 18:11.14 | Aelie | blah |
| 18:11.22 | Aelie | ive wasted time when i should be making towers |
| 18:11.49 | Aelie | bottom line |
| 18:11.55 | Aelie | if someone wants to see your code |
| 18:12.00 | Aelie | theres nothing you can do to stop them |
| 18:14.41 | Aelie | did any of you play gem td in wc3 |
| 18:15.25 | JademusSreg | If you update your encryption for a map in cycles corresponding to the amount of time it would take to search the table, you could keep your bank data secure indefinitely. So even if someone manages to recompile the map, reverse your encryption to generate table, so long as you update the encryption regularly enough (making sure to not break old banks of course), it would be impractical |
| 18:15.25 | JademusSreg | for anyone without formidable resources to break it. |
| 18:16.13 | Aelie | if you dont break old tables |
| 18:16.21 | Aelie | then all theyd have to do is break an old version |
| 18:16.25 | JademusSreg | Exactly. |
| 18:16.28 | Aelie | generate an old table |
| 18:16.31 | Aelie | and load it into the new map |
| 18:16.45 | JademusSreg | That's why your update cycles must fit within the expected time frame. |
| 18:17.00 | Aelie | what im saying is |
| 18:17.18 | Aelie | unless you say "banks from this version or earlier are invalid" |
| 18:17.31 | Aelie | it doesnt matter how often you change your encryption method |
| 18:17.47 | Aelie | and they dont even have to reverse the encryption |
| 18:17.54 | Aelie | from what i understand |
| 18:17.58 | JademusSreg | That is precisely what you should do. Valid banks would be updated with the new encryption each cycle. |
| 18:18.05 | Aelie | they just take the code, add +10000 exp to a trigger |
| 18:18.14 | Aelie | save it using your trigger |
| 18:18.18 | Aelie | and have the bank |
| 18:19.44 | Aelie | its important though to remember the inital point |
| 18:20.13 | JademusSreg | If you're at cycle 12, it should handle encryption cycles for 11 and 12, and update regularly enough that cycle 10 couldn't be cracked until 12, at which point their reversed encryption is no longer the one being read by the current cycle. |
| 18:20.30 | Aelie | the problem is |
| 18:20.45 | Aelie | it seems like it takes about 20 minutes to crack a bank :p |
| 18:20.52 | Aelie | SoulTaker916_ doesnt want to post his code on google code because he doesnt want to have people digging around and finding his admin commands |
| 18:20.59 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:21.02 | JademusSreg | That's funny. |
| 18:21.06 | Aelie | but... anyone who wants to do that can do that now |
| 18:21.11 | Aelie | without him posting anything |
| 18:21.15 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:21.43 | Aelie | the best idea is just not posting admin commands with your maps |
| 18:21.47 | JademusSreg | Motive doesn't have any compunctions about this: https://github.com/Motive/CortexEngine/tree/master/Common |
| 18:22.44 | Aelie | yes but thats a roleplay map |
| 18:22.49 | Aelie | thers no real point to the map |
| 18:22.54 | JademusSreg | True, haha. |
| 18:23.21 | Aelie | did any of you play gem td in wc3 |
| 18:23.34 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 18:23.43 | Aelie | its fun |
| 18:23.45 | Aelie | try it |
| 18:23.47 | Dustin | I loved Gem TD |
| 18:24.04 | Aelie | perhaps youd be willing to assist me |
| 18:24.07 | JademusSreg | I don't enjoy the tower defense genre, so I don't play it much. |
| 18:24.21 | Aelie | if you have time |
| 18:24.26 | Dustin | Yeah whatsup |
| 18:24.30 | Aelie | well |
| 18:24.41 | Aelie | i need to figure out models for the towers |
| 18:25.33 | Dustin | Are you remaking Gem TD |
| 18:25.36 | Dustin | or just using the idea |
| 18:25.49 | Aelie | well im remaking it to a point |
| 18:26.09 | Aelie | lets start with yes, a complete remake |
| 18:26.16 | Aelie | though i dont intend to stop there |
| 18:27.31 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/eBiZ9.jpg |
| 18:27.41 | Aelie | i dont want to just copy paste the same models for all 8 types though |
| 18:27.54 | Aelie | but i cant seem to find stuff that i like |
| 18:28.42 | Dustin | Yeah its a bitch sifting through all those models |
| 18:28.48 | Aelie | anyhow |
| 18:28.54 | Aelie | thats the job im trying to hire out |
| 18:28.56 | Aelie | :p |
| 18:29.39 | Aelie | ill probably let someone spruce up the terrain when im done |
| 18:30.11 | Dustin | I hate the shitty terrain most maps have |
| 18:30.44 | Aelie | well |
| 18:30.58 | Aelie | the original gem td wasnt what youd call terrain masterpiece |
| 18:31.21 | Aelie | i cant decide if i want to make it 4 or 8 player |
| 18:31.39 | Aelie | i somehow feel like itd be hard to fill an 8 person game consistently |
| 18:31.46 | Aelie | or ever |
| 18:32.12 | JademusSreg | Motive said it best: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/16731-a-word-on-bank-encryption/ |
| 18:32.34 | JademusSreg | Anyway, what interesting mechanics did gem td have? |
| 18:32.52 | Aelie | hm |
| 18:32.56 | Aelie | basicaly it goes like this |
| 18:33.04 | Aelie | every round you put down 5 random gems |
| 18:33.09 | Dustin | JademusSreg, gem td was like, every round it gave you a 5 random gems to place |
| 18:33.18 | Aelie | two or 4 identical gems can be upgraded |
| 18:33.22 | Dustin | And you got to pick which one you wanted to keep and the others turned to mazing walls |
| 18:33.23 | Aelie | combined* |
| 18:33.31 | Aelie | yeah |
| 18:33.38 | Aelie | and certain combinations made special towers |
| 18:33.56 | Aelie | so if you need a perfect ruby a normal topaz and a chipped emerald to make a tower |
| 18:34.04 | Aelie | youd either get lucky and get all 3 in one round |
| 18:34.14 | Aelie | or youd have to save one of the 3 in 3 seperate rounds to make it |
| 18:34.36 | JademusSreg | Hm. That's certainly more novelty than most TD maps. |
| 18:34.45 | JademusSreg | I look forward to testing it. |
| 18:34.53 | Aelie | it was my favorite td of wc3 |
| 18:35.00 | Aelie | and one of my favorite maps period of wc3 |
| 18:35.24 | Aelie | do you have wc3? i can hosti t for you if you like |
| 18:35.41 | JademusSreg | I do, but no thanks. I'll wait for your version, haha. |
| 18:35.45 | Aelie | lol |
| 18:35.53 | Aelie | i hope i dont disappoint people |
| 18:35.55 | Aelie | though |
| 18:36.05 | Aelie | honestly more than likely i will be the harshest critic |
| 18:36.30 | Aelie | anyhow ive got some cool ideas |
| 18:36.44 | Aelie | thoguh a lot of them are interface/polish type thigns |
| 18:36.46 | AppleOTempest | well you dont have to take it Harshly, for it is just critisism |
| 18:36.52 | Aelie | no i mean |
| 18:37.09 | Aelie | im going to be the one hardest to please |
| 18:37.19 | Aelie | once im happy with it it will be quite good |
| 18:37.24 | JademusSreg | Good. =D |
| 18:37.44 | Aelie | honestly though |
| 18:37.54 | Aelie | i finallly got sc2 about 2 or 3 weeks ago |
| 18:38.01 | Aelie | and mostly the maps have been disappointing |
| 18:38.11 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:38.14 | Aelie | compared to wc3 |
| 18:38.31 | Aelie | ive found barely 10 maps i would play regularly |
| 18:38.32 | JademusSreg | But then, I hated most maps in SC1 and WC3. |
| 18:38.58 | Aelie | the thing that pisses me off the most though |
| 18:39.07 | Aelie | so far the map ive enjoyed most isnt even a sc2 game |
| 18:39.09 | Aelie | its mafia |
| 18:39.26 | AppleOTempest | i think a lot of it also has to do with the theme in sc2 for me, In warcraft 3, i loved the theme, and even the simplest of terrain made it feel like home to me, so i loved every aspect of it, whereas starcraft 2 feels kinda crap |
| 18:39.29 | Dustin | I hope that changes with my turn Defense map :D |
| 18:39.48 | Aelie | yeah... |
| 18:39.58 | Aelie | im coming up with issues on art and models here |
| 18:40.57 | Aelie | and i wasnt able to find any unprotected versions of the map |
| 18:41.09 | Aelie | so ill need to recreate all the internal workings |
| 18:41.52 | JademusSreg | Most maps have terrible concepts. The maps with good concepts tend to be poorly implemented. The maps with well implemented mechanics tend to be unpolished. So it's difficult to find fun, well-implemented, polished maps. |
| 18:41.53 | Aelie | hm |
| 18:42.09 | Aelie | hah |
| 18:42.17 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 18:42.25 | Dustin | Hmmmmmm |
| 18:42.26 | Aelie | hopefully i cna hit all 3 points.. |
| 18:42.28 | Aelie | we'll see |
| 18:42.32 | JademusSreg | Hopefully. =D |
| 18:42.41 | Aelie | theres some things i just cant see myself doing though |
| 18:42.43 | Dustin | JademusSreg, do you know if theresa way to get shit random inside an actor event? |
| 18:42.46 | AppleOTempest | warcraft 3 is extemely nostalgic to me, like Random War3 Screenshot http://dccstudios.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/warcraft3-1/6.jpg |
| 18:42.52 | Aelie | good terrain for one |
| 18:43.02 | JademusSreg | I was stumped there for a moment on "Theresa". |
| 18:43.11 | JademusSreg | I don't know any Theresa! =D |
| 18:43.18 | Aelie | it took me like |
| 18:43.27 | JademusSreg | Randomized stuff Dustin? |
| 18:43.29 | Aelie | 2 or 3 hours to just draw some arrows and lines on the terrain |
| 18:43.41 | Dustin | I want to just randomize the model used on a unit everytime it gets created |
| 18:43.50 | JademusSreg | That's easyish. |
| 18:43.55 | JademusSreg | Models allow for variation. |
| 18:44.01 | Aelie | http://www.gemtowerdefense.com/ |
| 18:44.04 | JademusSreg | Just add model variants. |
| 18:44.08 | Aelie | JademusSreg: flash version |
| 18:44.11 | Dustin | Oh thats right like the civilian models |
| 18:44.16 | JademusSreg | Yes. =D |
| 18:44.35 | Dustin | that's actually not gonna work now that I think about it |
| 18:44.43 | Dustin | I need to assing whole waves the same random model |
| 18:45.16 | Dustin | Maybe I can make a behavior that changes model |
| 18:45.23 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 18:45.28 | JademusSreg | That's easy too. |
| 18:45.35 | Kueken | send a ModelSwap actor message via trigger ^^ |
| 18:45.44 | Dustin | Oh shit son |
| 18:45.50 | JademusSreg | Or. |
| 18:45.59 | JademusSreg | Use a catalog value change. |
| 18:46.18 | JademusSreg | That will apply to all of them with a single action. |
| 18:46.23 | JademusSreg | Rather than an action per unit. |
| 18:46.27 | JademusSreg | But either way works. |
| 18:46.31 | Dustin | hmmm |
| 18:46.38 | Aelie | do you guys have the NA sc? |
| 18:46.41 | Kueken | I am pretty sure models cannot be modified with catalogs though |
| 18:46.42 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:46.44 | Dustin | Now to find a way to catalog the models and set them random via the actor message or catalog |
| 18:46.46 | JademusSreg | I'm on NA. |
| 18:46.59 | JademusSreg | Kueken, just change the Actor's Model field. |
| 18:47.05 | Dustin | Oh I got an idea |
| 18:47.19 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:47.51 | Aelie | ive sort of got an advantage though because ive seen plenty of people sayign like "i wish someone would make gem td for sc2" |
| 18:47.58 | Aelie | so hopefully people will play it if i do it right |
| 18:48.08 | Kueken | ya right |
| 18:48.12 | JademusSreg | Haha. So there is a niche waiting to be filled, a demand in need of a supply. |
| 18:48.22 | Aelie | yeah |
| 18:48.28 | Kueken | I thought you cannot modify the model field, but it should work |
| 18:48.44 | Kueken | you make gem td? |
| 18:48.49 | Kueken | I will play it! |
| 18:49.01 | JademusSreg | A1win demonstrated it is the Model field is modifiable via catalogs. |
| 18:49.13 | JademusSreg | When he was making that mech ORPG map. |
| 18:49.13 | Kueken | I just looked it up |
| 18:49.21 | JademusSreg | iirc |
| 18:49.37 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/eBiZ9.jpg |
| 18:49.43 | Aelie | Kueken: so far so good lol |
| 18:49.48 | Kueken | well, anything you can modify with an upgrade you can modify with catalog triggers |
| 18:49.53 | JademusSreg | True. |
| 18:49.56 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 18:50.00 | Aelie | blah |
| 18:50.02 | JademusSreg | Less elegant, though. =D |
| 18:50.03 | SoulTaker916_ | im testing the signatures |
| 18:50.03 | Aelie | distracted again |
| 18:50.05 | SoulTaker916_ | but |
| 18:50.11 | SoulTaker916_ | im still able to edit the data |
| 18:50.11 | Aelie | 35 more minutes gone and onyl one tower made |
| 18:50.18 | JademusSreg | Signatures by themselves do nothing. |
| 18:50.27 | Aelie | you have to use the verify |
| 18:50.29 | SoulTaker916_ | i attached it to my bank variable |
| 18:50.32 | SoulTaker916_ | ah |
| 18:50.34 | JademusSreg | You need to validate them as a condition for doing other things. |
| 18:50.40 | Aelie | verify when you load them |
| 18:50.45 | Aelie | and you will know if they modified it |
| 18:50.59 | Aelie | then you can do stuff like |
| 18:51.04 | Aelie | publicly berating them |
| 18:51.07 | Aelie | :p |
| 18:51.29 | JademusSreg | if (verified) Message("Fuck yeah"); else Message("Fuck you"); |
| 18:51.38 | Dustin | If thise works right |
| 18:51.44 | Dustin | I dont have to fuck with duplicating units |
| 18:51.49 | SoulTaker916_ | when do i set the signature |
| 18:51.51 | Aelie | "xtz has tried hacking his stats, laugh at him for 10 s before he is banned!" |
| 18:51.53 | SoulTaker916_ | does it matter? |
| 18:51.57 | Dustin | I can use one base wave unit, controll its health via an alg and model via a small catalog |
| 18:51.59 | SoulTaker916_ | before the condition? |
| 18:52.05 | JademusSreg | Cool Dustin. =D |
| 18:52.11 | SoulTaker916_ | will it re-signature the bank? |
| 18:52.17 | SoulTaker916_ | if i do it wrong? |
| 18:52.40 | JademusSreg | Set signature before you save. |
| 18:53.10 | Dustin | Anyone know when the new PTR patch is gonna go live |
| 18:53.12 | JademusSreg | You certainly don't want to save values on an unverified bank though. |
| 18:53.15 | Dustin | I need that fucking attach dialog to unit |
| 18:53.21 | JademusSreg | Dustin, nope. I heard "soon". =D |
| 18:53.22 | SoulTaker916_ | what if thier is no bank |
| 18:53.31 | SoulTaker916_ | will the condition pass? |
| 18:53.43 | JademusSreg | Taker, if there is no bank, it gets a null bank, so it will probably return false. |
| 18:53.44 | Dustin | Soon isnt soon enough! |
| 18:53.55 | JademusSreg | But OpenBank creates a bank if none exists. |
| 18:54.53 | SoulTaker916_ | will a new bank pass validation? |
| 18:55.26 | JademusSreg | No, it doesn't need to pass. It's empty. |
| 18:55.28 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 18:56.22 | SoulTaker916_ | well if i do |
| 18:56.24 | SoulTaker916_ | open bank |
| 18:56.42 | SoulTaker916_ | (ifvalid){continue,save}else fuk off |
| 18:56.50 | SoulTaker916_ | if its a new player |
| 18:56.52 | SoulTaker916_ | without a bank |
| 18:56.54 | JademusSreg | Eventually, we'll probably get server side data storage in some form or another. Then this bank business should be less ridiculous. |
| 18:56.59 | SoulTaker916_ | will it not hit the fuck off |
| 18:57.15 | JademusSreg | It probably will, yes. |
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| 18:57.59 | JademusSreg | I'll pastebin how I approach it. |
| 18:58.08 | SoulTaker916_ | kk |
| 18:58.29 | SoulTaker916_ | cause im wondering if i need to do a check for is the bank exists |
| 18:58.35 | SoulTaker916_ | then create it with a signature |
| 18:58.42 | SoulTaker916_ | before the whole check this nonsence |
| 18:59.19 | Aelie | wish there was a way to make new units that involved less renaming |
| 18:59.36 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/byiSPLSf |
| 18:59.59 | SoulTaker916_ | whats with the wait time? |
| 19:00.10 | SoulTaker916_ | oh |
| 19:00.17 | SoulTaker916_ | for platyer group to populate.. |
| 19:00.18 | SoulTaker916_ | i c |
| 19:00.26 | JademusSreg | Naw, to make sure banks are loaded. |
| 19:00.45 | SoulTaker916_ | do they not load? |
| 19:00.47 | JademusSreg | Do it too soon and they're fucked. |
| 19:00.53 | SoulTaker916_ | oh |
| 19:00.55 | SoulTaker916_ | i noticed that |
| 19:01.02 | SoulTaker916_ | like mis sync? |
| 19:01.10 | JademusSreg | Dunno the exact cause. |
| 19:01.42 | JademusSreg | Also, I'm not running this on map init. |
| 19:02.08 | JademusSreg | I start a thread from the main thread with TriggerExecute, so the function is called maybe a tick or so before the map init event. |
| 19:03.35 | JademusSreg | Notice I verify the bank, if it's not verified, I remove the bank, erasing it, and create a new blank one, set the signature option, then save. |
| 19:05.00 | JademusSreg | Signatures aren't generated for the bank until they're saved, since it's a save option, so you don't have to worry about accidentally verifying something unsound until after you've already saved it. |
| 19:05.37 | JademusSreg | So if you detect a bad signatures, throw the shit out. |
| 19:12.45 | SoulTaker916_ | jave |
| 19:12.48 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 19:12.51 | SoulTaker916_ | what is this stats.bankdata[player] = BankLoad(stats.libraryName,player); |
| 19:13.03 | SoulTaker916_ | ur settign a variable? |
| 19:13.09 | Aelie | 4/8 types created |
| 19:13.10 | JademusSreg | I have all the banks in a global bank array. |
| 19:13.15 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 19:13.21 | SoulTaker916_ | its setting a variable right? |
| 19:13.24 | JademusSreg | Yes, setting a variable. |
| 19:13.41 | SoulTaker916_ | what is it setting it 2? |
| 19:13.55 | SoulTaker916_ | oh i c |
| 19:14.00 | JademusSreg | stats.bankdata[player] |
| 19:14.10 | SoulTaker916_ | wait u got the bank data above |
| 19:14.15 | SoulTaker916_ | btu because it failed the check |
| 19:14.19 | SoulTaker916_ | u killed the bank |
| 19:14.23 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 19:14.26 | SoulTaker916_ | and the second one would load a zero |
| 19:14.27 | SoulTaker916_ | right? |
| 19:14.41 | JademusSreg | The new bank created in the if block would be blank. |
| 19:14.43 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 19:15.12 | SoulTaker916_ | oh so basicaly ur using that to declare |
| 19:15.18 | SoulTaker916_ | the variables? |
| 19:16.00 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 19:16.25 | SoulTaker916_ | oh wait nvm |
| 19:16.30 | JademusSreg | It loads the bank and assigns them to variables, and if the bank doesn't exist, it creates a new one. |
| 19:16.33 | SoulTaker916_ | ur just weird |
| 19:16.39 | JademusSreg | Weird? |
| 19:16.50 | SoulTaker916_ | stats.bankdata[player] = BankLoad(stats.libraryName,player); on line 16 |
| 19:16.54 | SoulTaker916_ | couldnt u just done |
| 19:16.59 | SoulTaker916_ | stats.bankdata[player] = "": |
| 19:17.02 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 19:17.21 | SoulTaker916_ | ur pulling data that doesnt exist |
| 19:17.31 | SoulTaker916_ | or =0; |
| 19:17.50 | SoulTaker916_ | it can only load one thing every time reguardless |
| 19:17.59 | JademusSreg | 1) it would be null; bank is a reference type, not a value type. 2) If a bank doesn't exist, it creates a new one. |
| 19:19.37 | JademusSreg | Still confused? |
| 19:19.57 | Dustin | Hmm |
| 19:20.20 | Dustin | Jade, real fast, on the catalog sets, Entry = Unit Raw name, and Field path = raw field entry name right? |
| 19:20.33 | JademusSreg | No-ish. |
| 19:20.41 | JademusSreg | 2 things about raw fields. |
| 19:20.46 | SoulTaker916_ | 01stats.bankdata[player] = BankLoad(stats.libraryName,player);01// creates the bank? |
| 19:20.55 | Dustin | Bank Load creates the bank |
| 19:21.00 | Dustin | If there isnt one |
| 19:21.06 | Dustin | If there is it loads it |
| 19:21.06 | SoulTaker916_ | ah... |
| 19:21.11 | SoulTaker916_ | makes sence kinda.. |
| 19:21.29 | JademusSreg | 1) The editor by default bundles related fields, so some fields in the editor may not exist in the data. 2) All raw fields are prefixes with the type; this is worthless . Remove that and it should be right. |
| 19:21.49 | JademusSreg | So if you have CUnit_ |
| 19:21.51 | JademusSreg | Remove it. |
| 19:21.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:21.56 | Dustin | Gotcha, thanks :D |
| 19:22.08 | Dustin | Havent fucked with catalog shit in awhile |
| 19:22.22 | SoulTaker916_ | jade, you dont preload ur banks? |
| 19:22.26 | JademusSreg | I do. |
| 19:22.32 | SoulTaker916_ | just elseware? |
| 19:22.54 | JademusSreg | Bank preloading is some kind of GUI preprocessor command that generates a preload file in the map mpq. |
| 19:23.14 | JademusSreg | So you can preload using either a GUI action or by modifying that file. |
| 19:23.23 | JademusSreg | It has no analog in galaxy. |
| 19:24.11 | SoulTaker916_ | <---inconfused by ur explaination |
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| 19:24.26 | SoulTaker916_ | modifying that file will allow u 2? |
| 19:24.30 | SoulTaker916_ | ??! |
| 19:24.49 | JademusSreg | Not sure how much clearer I can make it. |
| 19:25.36 | JademusSreg | There is no function to preload banks in galaxy because the GUI action to preload banks is a preprocessor command of a sort that generates a file in the map mpq that defines which banks to preload. |
| 19:26.04 | JademusSreg | This is why variable expressions cannot be used in the Preload action; it only acceptsl iterals because it is not part of the map scriopt. |
| 19:26.44 | JademusSreg | Understand? |
| 19:27.38 | SoulTaker916_ | nope but thats ok |
| 19:27.44 | SoulTaker916_ | ill need a diagram obviously |
| 19:30.15 | JademusSreg | Haha, a diagram? |
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| 19:30.45 | Dustin | He just explained it clear as day :P |
| 19:30.53 | SoulTaker916_ | i figured he did |
| 19:30.56 | SoulTaker916_ | but |
| 19:31.00 | SoulTaker916_ | somwere in my brain |
| 19:31.04 | SoulTaker916_ | its lost |
| 19:31.14 | SoulTaker916_ | and it happens im not too worried about it |
| 19:32.03 | Dustin | Are you using Galazy or GUI |
| 19:32.07 | Dustin | Galaxy* |
| 19:32.11 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:32.29 | JademusSreg | I like "galazy". Has a nice slothful ring to it. |
| 19:32.40 | JademusSreg | Like a tight wedding band on an overweight man. |
| 19:32.41 | SoulTaker916_ | i understand galaxy but im using gui most of the time |
| 19:33.28 | Dustin | that's my drunk name for it |
| 19:33.33 | Dustin | :P |
| 19:33.37 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:36.43 | AppleOTempest | found out the bug im working with is unfixable and what has stopped almost every third/first person shooter out there thats been seen in development |
| 19:36.45 | Aelie | the buildings i have with doodads as models dont disappear when they die |
| 19:36.59 | JademusSreg | Apple, which is? |
| 19:37.18 | JademusSreg | Ael, what is the actor death model? |
| 19:37.24 | AppleOTempest | "-The unfixable camera jolts when crossing cliffs;" |
| 19:37.36 | JademusSreg | Apple, don't use cliffs, then. |
| 19:37.38 | Aelie | uh |
| 19:38.13 | AppleOTempest | its not just cliffs, its all terrain heights that are steep in the slightest |
| 19:38.25 | JademusSreg | Ah. Well that is fucked. |
| 19:38.28 | AppleOTempest | and if i dont use any terrain things like that and make them out of doodads |
| 19:38.41 | AppleOTempest | well i kinda lack the resources to make that look how i really want |
| 19:38.43 | Aelie | its set to a different tower lol |
| 19:39.02 | JademusSreg | Haha, well. |
| 19:39.16 | Aelie | but |
| 19:39.17 | Aelie | the thing is |
| 19:39.28 | AppleOTempest | Give me a full 3d model of a map, of like a 3rd person/first person shooter map, in its whole form, and i can apply perfect physics to the whole thing |
| 19:39.29 | Aelie | other towers work just fine |
| 19:39.41 | JademusSreg | Apple, you could try placing markers at cliffs, detect them, and change the camera distance or other properties in response. |
| 19:39.42 | Aelie | with the same death model |
| 19:41.33 | JademusSreg | Ael, there are a number of death models, especially for doodads, that don't get cleaned up. It's better to replace them. |
| 19:42.00 | Aelie | i see |
| 19:42.32 | JademusSreg | Or you can give it no death model, and spawn a new actor with an actor event to fade out and then destroy. |
| 19:43.01 | JademusSreg | Depends on what sort of visual effect you want. |
| 19:43.05 | Aelie | well |
| 19:43.09 | Aelie | it doesnt really matter |
| 19:43.11 | Aelie | towers wont die |
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| 19:45.43 | Aelie | okay |
| 19:45.48 | Aelie | 5 of 8 types created |
| 19:50.15 | Dustin | I want to play the finished version of my map RIGHT NOW |
| 19:50.25 | JademusSreg | Dustin, I know that feeling. |
| 19:50.26 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:51.31 | Dustin | Why cant the computer convert my voice instructions into map code?! |
| 19:51.47 | JademusSreg | Why stop there? |
| 19:51.49 | Dustin | we can put a damn man on the moon but I gotta hand write this code like a fucking caveman |
| 19:51.58 | JademusSreg | Why not convert your dreeeaaaams. |
| 19:52.06 | Aelie | lol |
| 19:52.18 | Aelie | i wish i could turn my dreams into anime |
| 19:52.21 | Aelie | ;) |
| 19:52.24 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:52.30 | Aelie | would be so awesoeme |
| 19:52.45 | Dustin | I just want to record my dreams and watch them later on my comp |
| 19:52.47 | Dustin | That'd be sick |
| 19:54.10 | JademusSreg | Ael, what sort of anime? Hopefully not bishonene melodrama that's all "friendship and love can overcome any adversity". =D |
| 19:54.24 | Aelie | oh no |
| 19:54.35 | Aelie | think other end of the spectrum |
| 19:54.54 | Ashamed | dustin do some DMT |
| 19:55.04 | JademusSreg | Do not do DMT. |
| 19:55.05 | Aelie | i cannot talk about my daydreams in this channel :p |
| 19:55.06 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:55.26 | Dustin | DMT?? |
| 19:55.28 | SoulTaker916_ | (Bank bank[(Picked integer)] is verified) != true |
| 19:55.33 | Aelie | drugs |
| 19:55.39 | SoulTaker916_ | is teturning true when it shouldnt be |
| 19:55.42 | Dustin | Oh DMT |
| 19:55.44 | JademusSreg | Taker, that is so ridiculous. Haha |
| 19:56.01 | Dustin | Got a friend growin some shrooms |
| 19:56.11 | Dustin | Ill just eat some of them bitches and call it a day |
| 19:56.23 | JademusSreg | GUI looks like poop, I guess. |
| 19:57.48 | JademusSreg | Doesn't GUI have a simple boolean not? |
| 19:58.05 | JademusSreg | Like Not(Bank is verified) ? |
| 19:58.05 | SoulTaker916_ | i duno i even tried |
| 19:58.14 | SoulTaker916_ | (Bank bank[(Picked integer)] is verified) == false |
| 19:58.30 | AppleOTempest | that is the boolean |
| 19:58.55 | JademusSreg | if (!BankVerify(stats.bankdata[player])) |
| 19:59.06 | JademusSreg | Now there is sexy boolean not at work. |
| 19:59.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:59.19 | Aelie | actually it is a boolean at work :D |
| 19:59.35 | JademusSreg | But it's an unnecessary comparison! |
| 19:59.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:59.57 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Taker, pastebin your stuff. |
| 20:00.02 | Aelie | you think either way is meaningfully slower? |
| 20:00.08 | JademusSreg | Nope. =D |
| 20:00.19 | JademusSreg | I just don't like it. |
| 20:00.21 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 20:00.42 | JademusSreg | For one thing, Taker, why are you using picked integer? |
| 20:00.59 | JademusSreg | Are you iterating across the active playergroup or all 16 players? |
| 20:01.11 | SoulTaker916_ | playergroup |
| 20:01.22 | SoulTaker916_ | they are not in a group |
| 20:01.25 | JademusSreg | If it's the former, you're supposed to use the int to -get- the player from the playergroup. |
| 20:01.29 | SoulTaker916_ | i just want to run on players 1-7 |
| 20:02.28 | Aelie | only aquamarine opal and topaz remain |
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| 20:05.19 | JademusSreg | Taker, pastebin your trigger so I can take a look. |
| 20:05.19 | SoulTaker916_ | i got one last idea |
| 20:05.20 | Dustin | Netsplit like a bitch |
| 20:05.20 | Ashamed | jade dont look |
| 20:05.21 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:05.41 | JademusSreg | Netsplit like a boss. |
| 20:07.48 | JademusSreg | The wikipedia article on the song is arguably as funny as the song itself. |
| 20:08.18 | SoulTaker916_ | oh ahaha |
| 20:08.24 | SoulTaker916_ | i think i figured it out |
| 20:08.30 | SoulTaker916_ | it changes bank on exit... |
| 20:08.35 | SoulTaker916_ | and it doesnt use signature |
| 20:09.25 | Aelie | JademusSreg: like a boss? |
| 20:09.39 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c |
| 20:09.53 | Aelie | i know of it |
| 20:09.59 | Aelie | i was asking if that was the sogn you m eant |
| 20:10.08 | JademusSreg | Yes. =D |
| 20:11.16 | SoulTaker916_ | http://pastebin.com/4JcqxJNu |
| 20:11.19 | SoulTaker916_ | ok that didnt work |
| 20:11.21 | SoulTaker916_ | ur turn |
| 20:11.56 | JademusSreg | I really hate the hideous loop natives. |
| 20:12.08 | JademusSreg | They are abominations. |
| 20:12.09 | SoulTaker916_ | same |
| 20:12.18 | SoulTaker916_ | looks shitty |
| 20:12.19 | JademusSreg | Better to use a while loop. |
| 20:12.28 | SoulTaker916_ | easyer in gui not 2 |
| 20:12.29 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 20:13.07 | JademusSreg | (Galaxy only have while and do loops implemented, so all loops are based on those. =D ) |
| 20:13.58 | JademusSreg | Also, BankLoad("score", IntLoopCurrent()); gv_bank[IntLoopCurrent()] = BankLastCreated(); |
| 20:14.05 | JademusSreg | LastCreated is assballs. |
| 20:14.28 | SoulTaker916_ | :P |
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| 20:14.46 | tordy | wassup guys |
| 20:14.54 | AppleOTempest | SUP TORDY |
| 20:15.08 | SoulTaker916_ | back to the issue why is it failing the if statement |
| 20:15.11 | JademusSreg | I am aware GUI sometimes prevents direct setting from actions that return objects, but one should always strive to set and create on the same line when possible. =D |
| 20:15.44 | Dustin | Hmmm |
| 20:15.52 | Dustin | Anyone know what behavior gets applied to units inside a radar sensor tower? |
| 20:15.52 | tordy | what are we talkin about |
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| 20:16.06 | JademusSreg | Dunno Dustin. |
| 20:17.05 | JademusSreg | So what is happening Taker? the if is evaluating as true or false everytime? |
| 20:17.08 | SoulTaker916_ | so basicallt u dont know? |
| 20:17.14 | SoulTaker916_ | ok |
| 20:17.16 | SoulTaker916_ | the line... |
| 20:17.29 | JademusSreg | I'm asking what the problem is. =\ |
| 20:17.34 | SoulTaker916_ | if ((BankVerify(gv_bank[IntLoopCurrent()]) == false)) { |
| 20:17.39 | SoulTaker916_ | is passing true |
| 20:17.41 | SoulTaker916_ | every time |
| 20:17.48 | SoulTaker916_ | and it needs to pass falses |
| 20:17.50 | JademusSreg | A description of the symptoms to assist me in diagnosing the condition. =D |
| 20:18.09 | SoulTaker916_ | see |
| 20:18.11 | SoulTaker916_ | when i go in |
| 20:18.23 | SoulTaker916_ | with a valid bank (or what it hink is a valid bank |
| 20:18.24 | SoulTaker916_ | ) |
| 20:18.32 | SoulTaker916_ | its passing true on that statment |
| 20:18.35 | SoulTaker916_ | instead of false |
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| 20:19.21 | tordy | woah |
| 20:19.21 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
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| 20:19.26 | JademusSreg | Server maintenance. |
| 20:19.36 | tordy | SoulTaker916_: what happened |
| 20:19.41 | JademusSreg | Anyway, here's what's happening. |
| 20:20.39 | SoulTaker916_ | we trying to get this damn if statment to pass falses and trues |
| 20:20.43 | SoulTaker916_ | when appopirate |
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| 20:21.15 | JademusSreg | New bank loads, then verified fails because as a new bank it has no signature, it passes inot the if block, gets removed, --no new bank is allocated to the variable because you misunderstood its purtpose in my won script-- and then you save a null bank. |
| 20:21.46 | JademusSreg | Too many spelling errors, haha. |
| 20:22.00 | JademusSreg | *into *purpose *own |
| 20:23.03 | SoulTaker916_ | oh |
| 20:23.05 | SoulTaker916_ | so its working |
| 20:23.12 | SoulTaker916_ | its the new creation that isssny |
| 20:23.27 | JademusSreg | You'ren ot creating the new bank to replace theo ne you removed, right. |
| 20:23.50 | SoulTaker916_ | well i copied what u did kinda of |
| 20:24.01 | SoulTaker916_ | u used |
| 20:24.02 | SoulTaker916_ | stats.bankdata[player] = BankLoad(stats.libraryName,player); |
| 20:24.05 | SoulTaker916_ | to get a new bank |
| 20:26.10 | SoulTaker916_ | stats.bankdata[player] = BankLoad(stats.libraryName,player); |
| 20:26.16 | SoulTaker916_ | is a set variable right? |
| 20:26.34 | JademusSreg | Since you don't create a new bank to replace the bank you remove with BankRemove, you're saving nothing, so each time you start the map, it's creating a new bank, then removing it, then saving nothing. |
| 20:26.47 | JademusSreg | Of course it is setting a variable, haha. |
| 20:28.29 | SoulTaker916_ | going throught he list here |
| 20:28.35 | SoulTaker916_ | i dont see anything about creating a bank? |
| 20:28.47 | JademusSreg | I already told you the problem. |
| 20:29.06 | SoulTaker916_ | oh |
| 20:29.12 | SoulTaker916_ | open bank... |
| 20:29.14 | JademusSreg | And I've also told you, BankLoad creates a new bank if it doesn't exist. |
| 20:29.26 | SoulTaker916_ | i dont see a load bank |
| 20:29.29 | SoulTaker916_ | its open bank |
| 20:29.30 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 20:29.46 | JademusSreg | Same thing. |
| 20:29.58 | SoulTaker916_ | well i got lost so this should now work 1 sec |
| 20:30.03 | JademusSreg | Open Bank is the GUI analog to BankLoad in galaxy. |
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| 20:30.19 | tordy | JademusSreg too used to galaxy so it might get confusing to us GUI users :[ |
| 20:30.25 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:30.30 | AppleOTemp | is there anyway to turn a single unit from ground to flying pathing |
| 20:30.37 | SoulTaker916_ | some thigns dont go over exactly |
| 20:30.40 | SoulTaker916_ | i wish they would |
| 20:30.44 | SoulTaker916_ | so it wouldnt confused |
| 20:30.50 | SoulTaker916_ | i just hate the fluff data... |
| 20:31.12 | tordy | love banks, what are you doin with them |
| 20:31.14 | JademusSreg | Dunno Apple. I don't think so, without a morph. |
| 20:31.15 | tordy | ROGAN!? |
| 20:31.41 | JademusSreg | A morph would work, but you probably wouldn't like that. |
| 20:31.48 | SoulTaker916_ | you could seemlessly replace the unit/// |
| 20:31.51 | SoulTaker916_ | ...* |
| 20:32.25 | JademusSreg | Nope. The Replace Unit gui action removes the old one and creates a new one, causing you to lose the unit reference. |
| 20:32.39 | SoulTaker916_ | oh a unit like that |
| 20:32.43 | JademusSreg | Which means everything referencing the old unit would be broken. |
| 20:32.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:34.56 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 20:35.06 | SoulTaker916_ | i put a open bank under remove back |
| 20:35.13 | SoulTaker916_ | and its still returning true |
| 20:36.02 | SoulTaker916_ | bank* |
| 20:36.20 | JademusSreg | Fresh pastebin please. |
| 20:37.11 | SoulTaker916_ | http://pastebin.com/rc4Z9KcB |
| 20:37.36 | JademusSreg | Seriously. You didn't even set it to a variablr. |
| 20:37.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:38.01 | SoulTaker916_ | ROTF... |
| 20:38.14 | Aelie | 6/8 done |
| 20:38.30 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 20:41.43 | SoulTaker916_ | omg |
| 20:41.47 | SoulTaker916_ | its still doing it.. |
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| 20:49.17 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
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| 20:54.04 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:54.23 | Mexa_ | ? |
| 20:54.25 | SoulTaker916_ | i tested it its loading variables into the bank |
| 20:54.29 | SoulTaker916_ | and i can call upon it |
| 20:54.42 | SoulTaker916_ | but everytime |
| 20:54.45 | SoulTaker916_ | it fails |
| 20:56.21 | SoulTaker916_ | i even checked the bank file |
| 20:56.27 | SoulTaker916_ | its returning variables |
| 20:56.28 | SoulTaker916_ | also |
| 20:56.30 | SoulTaker916_ | with signature |
| 20:57.11 | Mexa_ | hi |
| 20:57.42 | JademusSreg | Hi Mexa. |
| 20:57.49 | JademusSreg | Taker, does it pop any errors? |
| 20:58.17 | SoulTaker916_ | no |
| 20:58.22 | SoulTaker916_ | altho i created a test message |
| 20:58.32 | SoulTaker916_ | for when the if statement returns true |
| 20:58.39 | SoulTaker916_ | and its always returning true |
| 20:59.14 | JademusSreg | Fresh pastebin. =D |
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| 21:00.52 | SoulTaker916_ | its like blizzard is shitting on my face |
| 21:02.09 | Dustin | Sounds like an 1D 10T error |
| 21:02.10 | Aelie | lol |
| 21:02.19 | SoulTaker916_ | http://pastebin.com/JgXwhzb5 |
| 21:02.26 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:02.29 | Aelie | only opal to go |
| 21:02.31 | Aelie | :D |
| 21:02.40 | Aelie | then i can start doing some triggers |
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| 21:04.04 | Dustin | Woot, new wave system implimented |
| 21:04.08 | Dustin | that'll save some time, |
| 21:04.13 | Dustin | now I got time to go poop, brb |
| 21:05.49 | SoulTaker916_ | its like |
| 21:05.53 | SoulTaker916_ | frustrating |
| 21:05.57 | SoulTaker916_ | wtf is this happening for |
| 21:06.08 | SoulTaker916_ | i see the fking data right there before the game loads |
| 21:06.13 | SoulTaker916_ | its like its deleting it all |
| 21:06.19 | SoulTaker916_ | when im not looking |
| 21:07.53 | Aelie | its fuckin with you |
| 21:08.02 | SoulTaker916_ | for real |
| 21:08.56 | SoulTaker916_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaGd2Uivs24&feature=related |
| 21:09.35 | JademusSreg | If BankVerify is returning false each time, that's pretty odd. |
| 21:09.49 | SoulTaker916_ | no |
| 21:09.52 | SoulTaker916_ | its doing true |
| 21:09.54 | SoulTaker916_ | each time |
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| 21:10.22 | SoulTaker916_ | verify != true |
| 21:10.29 | SoulTaker916_ | is returning true |
| 21:10.31 | SoulTaker916_ | eacht ime |
| 21:10.37 | JademusSreg | BankVerify is returning true or the expression is returning true? |
| 21:10.44 | SoulTaker916_ | expression |
| 21:10.46 | SoulTaker916_ | is |
| 21:10.53 | SoulTaker916_ | the blank verify is false |
| 21:10.59 | SoulTaker916_ | expression is true |
| 21:11.22 | JademusSreg | Do you do anything with banks anywhere else? =D |
| 21:12.13 | SoulTaker916_ | ya, event= victory timer exprires |
| 21:12.15 | SoulTaker916_ | and |
| 21:12.23 | SoulTaker916_ | event user types -score |
| 21:12.30 | JademusSreg | Show me. =D |
| 21:13.51 | Dustin | Anyone wanna hop on bnet and help me test real fast? |
| 21:13.56 | SoulTaker916_ | http://pastebin.com/JNnYLSNA |
| 21:14.06 | JademusSreg | Sure Dustin. In a minute. |
| 21:14.12 | Dustin | cool jsut let me know |
| 21:14.38 | SoulTaker916_ | http://pastebin.com/KYk7Vf83 |
| 21:15.48 | SoulTaker916_ | theres some disabled ones that im saving for when i do the whole admin stuff |
| 21:16.00 | JademusSreg | I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be working, haha. |
| 21:16.08 | JademusSreg | Alright Dustin, I'll be there. |
| 21:16.26 | Ashamed | http://www.frontierhonda.com/used-inventory/index.htm?invtype=used&reset=InventoryListing&SByear=clear&SBmake=Honda&SBmodel=Civic+Hybrid&SBprice=clear |
| 21:16.30 | Ashamed | that seem like a good deal? |
| 21:22.53 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/qc9wQ.jpg |
| 21:23.32 | Ashamed | perty mins |
| 21:24.06 | Aelie | yeah |
| 21:24.17 | Aelie | though i want to eventually change them to all unique models |
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| 21:32.07 | Aelie | is there a good reason to stay away from damage ranges? |
| 21:33.58 | Currydevil | no? |
| 21:34.04 | Currydevil | why would you want to stay away from them? |
| 21:34.26 | Aelie | some said they bugged out tooltips when they had buffs |
| 21:34.46 | Currydevil | oh, I dunno then. I haven't given a unit a buff to see the tooltip |
| 21:34.46 | Kueken | that would be me, but I meant it a little different ;) |
| 21:35.05 | Kueken | or? |
| 21:35.13 | Kueken | well I didnt say anything about buffs |
| 21:35.23 | Kueken | just that the hero UI bugs out |
| 21:35.33 | Kueken | but apparently this even gets fixed in 1.4 |
| 21:35.45 | Aelie | oh |
| 21:35.53 | Aelie | so theres nothing really holding it back |
| 21:36.02 | Kueken | dont think so |
| 21:36.20 | Aelie | is there a way to change it so it displays the damage without having to mouseover the weapon? |
| 21:36.21 | Kueken | you could try it out and see if you can find anything disturbing you |
| 21:36.33 | Kueken | well, make the unit a hero :D |
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| 21:36.48 | Aelie | yeah but i dont want to make every tower a hero |
| 21:36.51 | Aelie | thats just absurd |
| 21:36.54 | Kieldro | Hello |
| 21:36.55 | Kueken | other than that, I know nothing but using an entirely custom UI |
| 21:37.00 | Aelie | i see |
| 21:37.01 | Aelie | well |
| 21:37.05 | Aelie | we can leave that for later lol |
| 21:37.16 | Kueken | the hero thing is not hard to do btw |
| 21:37.16 | Kieldro | I have a galaxy question |
| 21:37.19 | Kieldro | Where are native functions defined? |
| 21:37.33 | Aelie | yeah but i dont want to have the hero buttons appear |
| 21:37.38 | Aelie | :< |
| 21:37.40 | Kueken | you dont need to |
| 21:37.43 | Aelie | oh? |
| 21:37.56 | Aelie | hm |
| 21:37.57 | Kueken | the ui change is caused by a veterancy behavior |
| 21:38.02 | Aelie | ? |
| 21:38.14 | Kueken | while the button is caused by the "heroic" flag |
| 21:38.16 | Aelie | i see |
| 21:38.16 | Kueken | afaik |
| 21:38.23 | Kieldro | anyone here good with galaxy? |
| 21:38.33 | Kueken | pretty much |
| 21:38.40 | Aelie | i renamed heroic to boss |
| 21:38.42 | Aelie | :p |
| 21:38.53 | Kueken | but the natives are not galaxy functions in that sense |
| 21:39.18 | Kueken | the underlaying language used by the SC2 engine is C++ afaik |
| 21:39.29 | Kueken | the natives are actually C++ functions |
| 21:39.39 | Kueken | which are called by the game engine |
| 21:39.49 | Kueken | if your galaxy script calls a native |
| 21:40.14 | Kueken | well, no guarantee, that I understood this correctly |
| 21:40.37 | Kueken | however there are certain "native" functions, which are composed of other natives |
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| 21:40.55 | Kueken | like moste libntve_ functions |
| 21:40.57 | Kieldro | oh interesting |
| 21:41.31 | Kueken | not sure if your MeleeInitAI function belongs to them |
| 21:41.38 | Kueken | but I guess thats a true native |
| 21:41.47 | Kueken | so you won't have direct access to it |
| 21:42.23 | Kieldro | So you just have to infer their effect? |
| 21:42.53 | Kueken | what do you want to do anyways? |
| 21:43.03 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 21:43.07 | Kieldro | well I'm trying to starting writing a custom AI |
| 21:43.19 | Kieldro | and I'm curious what meleeinitAI does |
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| 21:43.37 | Kieldro | how do I know my AI is running and not the blizzard AI |
| 21:43.43 | JademusSreg | I've only looked a bit at the AI files. |
| 21:44.03 | JademusSreg | hi Shlug. |
| 21:44.10 | ShlugSalt | hi jademus |
| 21:44.16 | Kueken | I have no experience with custom AI either |
| 21:44.56 | Kueken | but you could always make your AI do stupid stuff you can easily identify ;) |
| 21:44.57 | Kieldro | there is no way to see blizzards C++ code? |
| 21:45.03 | Kueken | dunno |
| 21:45.08 | Kueken | also |
| 21:45.13 | Kueken | like I said |
| 21:45.19 | ShlugSalt | do you guys know what 3d program people use to build starcraft2 models? is it 3ds max? |
| 21:45.23 | Kueken | I dont know if everything I said is correct |
| 21:45.36 | Kieldro | ok |
| 21:45.44 | JademusSreg | It is. |
| 21:45.45 | Kieldro | appreciate it |
| 21:45.49 | Aelie | is range 128:1 from wc3? |
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| 21:46.05 | Kueken | not sure about the exact factor |
| 21:46.08 | JademusSreg | 3ds max with a plug in to enable conversation to/from m3 format. |
| 21:46.13 | Kueken | someone told me about 100:1 |
| 21:46.18 | Aelie | should i just make it up :p |
| 21:46.19 | Aelie | well |
| 21:46.24 | Aelie | the default tower in wc3 was 800 |
| 21:46.28 | Aelie | in sc2 its 7 |
| 21:46.29 | Kieldro | does anyone here hang out in the sc2mapster vent, TS or mumble servers? |
| 21:46.34 | ShlugSalt | ok thanks jademus do you know the plugin? that is my problem |
| 21:46.43 | SoulTaker916_ | so jade.... |
| 21:46.53 | JademusSreg | NiN's plug in; it has since been taken over by others. |
| 21:46.58 | Kueken | search the mapster forums, should be easy to find |
| 21:47.30 | Kueken | aelie: default tower? |
| 21:47.34 | Aelie | yeah |
| 21:47.35 | ShlugSalt | :) awesome thanks again see you guys later:) |
| 21:47.35 | Aelie | like |
| 21:47.37 | Kueken | what do you mean by that? |
| 21:47.45 | Aelie | the guard towers in wc3 had 800 range |
| 21:47.47 | JademusSreg | Taker, I don't see any reason it would return the BankVerify would return false every time. |
| 21:47.53 | Aelie | in sc2 the towers have 7 |
| 21:47.58 | Kueken | missile turrets? |
| 21:48.03 | Aelie | and cannons |
| 21:48.12 | SoulTaker916_ | wait i was testing things |
| 21:48.14 | Kueken | missile turrets can be upgraded to 8 ;) |
| 21:48.18 | SoulTaker916_ | even though it keeps failing |
| 21:48.20 | Kueken | well, whatever |
| 21:48.23 | Aelie | beside the point |
| 21:48.24 | Aelie | lol |
| 21:48.24 | SoulTaker916_ | it keeps resetting every game |
| 21:48.30 | SoulTaker916_ | its like its not saving the data |
| 21:48.34 | Kueken | maybe you cannot translate these ranges 100% |
| 21:48.45 | Kueken | just take a fitting value |
| 21:48.58 | Aelie | yeah |
| 21:49.02 | Kueken | you dont need to recreate everything exactly from wc3 |
| 21:49.05 | SoulTaker916_ | when i run the trigger 2 times it fails both times but when i remove the remove bank trigger |
| 21:49.11 | Aelie | im just going to make it up as i go along :p |
| 21:49.13 | SoulTaker916_ | it is recording |
| 21:49.16 | Kueken | :) |
| 21:49.26 | Aelie | honestly i was just going to round anyhow |
| 21:49.28 | Aelie | im not gonna do like |
| 21:49.31 | Aelie | 5.349293 range |
| 21:49.56 | Kueken | artistic freedom ;) |
| 21:49.59 | Aelie | ofc |
| 21:50.17 | JademusSreg | Range wc3 128: sc2 1 |
| 21:50.19 | Aelie | gonna leave damage and hp alone tho |
| 21:50.19 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 21:50.24 | Kueken | you can also use 5.562452 range |
| 21:50.27 | Kueken | and display as 5 |
| 21:50.30 | Kueken | :D |
| 21:50.32 | Aelie | f that |
| 21:50.46 | SoulTaker916_ | thats how it works in java |
| 21:50.47 | Aelie | ill mess with ranges later |
| 21:51.18 | Kueken | also, gem td allowed huge mazing, right? |
| 21:51.26 | Aelie | yeah |
| 21:51.34 | Kueken | then I should warn you: |
| 21:51.39 | Aelie | uh oh |
| 21:51.56 | Kueken | units in wc3 could travel an infinite way, as long as it is not blocked |
| 21:52.04 | Aelie | yeah? |
| 21:52.10 | Kueken | in sc2 a way which is too long is considered blocked |
| 21:52.14 | Kueken | even if it is not |
| 21:52.28 | Aelie | i see |
| 21:52.34 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Keil, I script in galaxy, but I've not done much with AI beyond reading the AI scripts. |
| 21:52.34 | Kueken | not sure about infinite in wc3 |
| 21:52.40 | Kueken | at least it was huge |
| 21:52.48 | Aelie | how short of a limit are we talking |
| 21:53.18 | Kueken | not sure, I suggest you try it out. I had this issue with some other TD with huge mazing |
| 21:54.07 | Kueken | and gem TD allows this checkpoint abuse, where units have to take the whole maze 6 times or something, resulting in really huge ways |
| 21:54.41 | Kueken | maybe you can even increase or deactivate this somehow, not sure |
| 21:54.51 | Aelie | http://bbsattach.uuu9.com/attachment/Day_090514/604_1036002_35f7a3eff346e83.jpg |
| 21:55.09 | Aelie | yeah |
| 21:55.24 | Aelie | learning how to abuse the checkpoints was the big draw for me |
| 21:55.49 | Kueken | I attempted to do the same thing for some SC2 TD with a similar checkpoint setup |
| 21:56.03 | Kueken | and it backfired, all units considered the path blocked |
| 21:56.09 | Aelie | interesting |
| 21:56.12 | Kueken | but I was 100% sure it was not blocked |
| 21:56.25 | Kueken | tried it several times |
| 21:56.31 | Kueken | with different setups |
| 21:56.40 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 21:56.47 | SoulTaker916_ | so i figured out one of the issues |
| 21:56.48 | SoulTaker916_ | i think |
| 21:56.52 | SoulTaker916_ | i just dont know how to fix it |
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| 21:57.20 | SoulTaker916_ | jade !?!? |
| 21:58.30 | Aelie | Kueken: i will deal with that issue later |
| 21:58.40 | Kueken | ok |
| 21:58.44 | Kueken | :) |
| 21:59.03 | Aelie | what would they do if they didnt have an attack and it considered them blocked? |
| 21:59.27 | Kueken | probably just stop and run away from the towers which attack them |
| 21:59.34 | Aelie | i guess i could easily set up a test |
| 21:59.39 | Aelie | and just make a huge ass maze |
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| 21:59.52 | Aelie | and have somethign try to path it |
| 21:59.52 | Kueken | yes |
| 22:00.09 | Aelie | how long are we talking here |
| 22:00.14 | Kueken | hopefully, this turns out to be no problem at all |
| 22:00.19 | Kueken | not sure, just try it |
| 22:00.19 | Aelie | yeah... |
| 22:00.24 | Aelie | ok :) |
| 22:00.30 | Mexa_ | Jademus, @BankVerify, Blizzard have made such mistakes before |
| 22:00.32 | Kueken | expand the maze until it causes problems |
| 22:00.34 | Mexa_ | And still does |
| 22:00.41 | Mexa_ | BankExists always returns false. |
| 22:01.21 | Mexa_ | *as an example |
| 22:01.36 | Kueken | maybe it was even specific to that map, I did not test this myself |
| 22:01.38 | Aelie | if i cant have huge mazing |
| 22:01.45 | Aelie | it would really be a downer |
| 22:01.50 | Kueken | yes :( |
| 22:02.03 | Kueken | maybe there are workarounds |
| 22:02.04 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/EE3Dg.jpg |
| 22:02.11 | Aelie | how big of a path are we talking |
| 22:02.17 | Aelie | across the map and back once? twice? |
| 22:02.46 | Kueken | copy&paste it a couple of times ^^ |
| 22:02.59 | Kueken | I would fill the whole map first |
| 22:03.10 | Kueken | if that causes problems, half |
| 22:03.13 | Kueken | etc |
| 22:07.03 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/DD47N.jpg |
| 22:07.04 | Aelie | ? |
| 22:08.23 | Aelie | oh god i should have picked something faster than a probe |
| 22:08.36 | Kueken | :D |
| 22:08.48 | Kueken | if it starts walking, it should be fine |
| 22:09.00 | Aelie | this probe is getting the jet engine upgrade |
| 22:09.02 | Aelie | yeah |
| 22:09.06 | Aelie | it did |
| 22:09.18 | Aelie | and that maze is way longer than anything they could ever make in their space |
| 22:09.42 | Kueken | releaving :) |
| 22:09.56 | Aelie | yeah |
| 22:10.00 | Aelie | that didnt sound right |
| 22:10.13 | Aelie | it was probably a screwy anti block trigger |
| 22:10.20 | Aelie | or something |
| 22:10.23 | Kueken | maybe |
| 22:10.27 | Kueken | well, in this case |
| 22:10.28 | Aelie | what map was it? |
| 22:10.33 | Kueken | sorry for bothering you :D |
| 22:10.36 | Aelie | ha |
| 22:10.37 | Aelie | well |
| 22:10.39 | Kueken | dunno, some td |
| 22:10.44 | Aelie | im happy i checked that |
| 22:10.45 | Kueken | long ago |
| 22:10.51 | Aelie | id hate to have spent the last 2 months on it |
| 22:10.55 | Kueken | maybe it even got patched or something |
| 22:11.06 | Aelie | and find out one of the big parts of the game is unusable |
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| 22:16.30 | SoulTaker916_ | jade |
| 22:17.07 | Aelie | hmm |
| 22:17.21 | Aelie | i dont know if i want to modify all the armor types for every unit |
| 22:17.35 | Aelie | having 8 vs under the damage tooltip is kind of annoying |
| 22:21.33 | Aelie | were just gonna d |
| 22:21.33 | Aelie | o |
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| 22:21.46 | Aelie | +75% to same element, -25% to bosses |
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| 22:32.16 | Aelie | so |
| 22:32.33 | Aelie | i see the rounding for range, and period, but i dont see one for damage |
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| 22:34.38 | SoulTaker916_ | oh ya |
| 22:34.55 | SoulTaker916_ | blizzard is shitting on my fking face |
| 22:34.57 | SoulTaker916_ | JADE |
| 22:35.00 | SoulTaker916_ | i figured it out |
| 22:35.13 | SoulTaker916_ | those douse bags fucking with my head |
| 22:35.52 | Aelie | this is bugging me now |
| 22:36.04 | SoulTaker916_ | im so pissed off it took me 4 hours |
| 22:36.08 | SoulTaker916_ | to figure this out |
| 22:36.09 | SoulTaker916_ | gml |
| 22:36.11 | Aelie | oh here we go |
| 22:36.12 | SoulTaker916_ | fml |
| 22:36.42 | SoulTaker916_ | it wont let me load a variable into topen bank |
| 22:36.54 | SoulTaker916_ | fuckers |
| 22:38.33 | SoulTaker916_ | working: |
| 22:38.40 | SoulTaker916_ | lv_loop = 1; // Actions if (!runActions) { return true; } BankLoad("score", 1); |
| 22:38.45 | Aelie | http://i.imgur.com/L0mLG.jpg |
| 22:38.54 | SoulTaker916_ | not working: // Variable Initialization lv_loop = 1; // Actions if (!runActions) { return true; } BankLoad("score", lv_loop); |
| 22:45.48 | Dustin | Ya |
| 22:45.56 | Dustin | The Opens have to be hardcoded I think |
| 22:46.01 | Dustin | no vars only literal |
| 22:46.13 | SoulTaker916_ | well jade mannage to do it with vars |
| 22:46.23 | SoulTaker916_ | http://pastebin.com/byiSPLSf |
| 22:46.48 | SoulTaker916_ | so im wondering how his worked |
| 22:47.09 | Dustin | Hmm |
| 22:47.17 | Dustin | Maybe it's preload im thinking of |
| 22:47.25 | SoulTaker916_ | well |
| 22:47.30 | SoulTaker916_ | im not using preload |
| 22:47.31 | SoulTaker916_ | and |
| 22:47.31 | Dustin | All I know is there's a part of Banks that has to be literal numbers |
| 22:47.37 | SoulTaker916_ | it works when i put the number in |
| 22:47.47 | SoulTaker916_ | and fails when i pass a variable |
| 22:48.12 | Dustin | Is that pastee your code? |
| 22:48.16 | Dustin | Or is that Jades |
| 22:48.32 | SoulTaker916_ | above is jades |
| 22:48.38 | Dustin | Link me yours |
| 22:48.40 | SoulTaker916_ | the link is jades |
| 22:48.45 | SoulTaker916_ | the pasted code is mine |
| 22:48.57 | SoulTaker916_ | 01not working: // Variable Initialization lv_loop = 1; // Actions if (!runActions) { return true; } BankLoad("score", lv_loop);01 |
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| 22:49.24 | SoulTaker916_ | its failing right there |
| 22:49.40 | SoulTaker916_ | not passing the lv_loop or any variables |
| 22:49.48 | SoulTaker916_ | blizzard is shitting on my face right now |
| 22:50.25 | Kueken | have a look at the gui descriptions of the bank functions :) |
| 22:50.55 | Dustin | And it works if you subsittue the lv_loop with 1 |
| 22:51.01 | Dustin | ? |
| 22:51.06 | SoulTaker916_ | ya |
| 22:51.18 | SoulTaker916_ | works:01lv_loop = 1; // Actions if (!runActions) { return true; } BankLoad("score", 1);01 |
| 22:51.23 | SoulTaker916_ | this works |
| 22:51.37 | SoulTaker916_ | 07Kueken01 |
| 22:51.38 | SoulTaker916_ | whats that? |
| 22:51.50 | Kueken | thats exactly what the gui descriptions say: "only use explicit literals, variables wont work" |
| 22:51.52 | Kueken | :d |
| 22:51.54 | Dustin | Ya it's gotta be that the function isnt handeling varaibles |
| 22:52.08 | SoulTaker916_ | but jade was doing it |
| 22:52.11 | SoulTaker916_ | that bastard... |
| 22:52.17 | Dustin | Are you sure? |
| 22:52.29 | Kueken | not sure which functions malfunction |
| 22:52.32 | SoulTaker916_ | jade showed me this |
| 22:52.32 | SoulTaker916_ | 01http://pastebin.com/byiSPLSf01 |
| 22:52.37 | SoulTaker916_ | said it worked |
| 22:52.43 | Kueken | I am 100% sure it does not work for BankPreload |
| 22:52.57 | Kueken | (but thats not even a galaxy function, so..) |
| 22:52.58 | SoulTaker916_ | im not even usign that |
| 22:53.02 | SoulTaker916_ | i have no idea why i should |
| 22:53.11 | SoulTaker916_ | so |
| 22:53.17 | SoulTaker916_ | wait |
| 22:53.19 | SoulTaker916_ | but he has it |
| 22:53.20 | Kueken | well, for me banks do not work without preloading |
| 22:53.21 | SoulTaker916_ | like i do |
| 22:53.41 | SoulTaker916_ | BankLoad(stats.libraryName,player); |
| 22:53.50 | Dustin | Did you add the preload shit to the mpq? |
| 22:53.51 | SoulTaker916_ | he is passing the player variable |
| 22:54.02 | Dustin | I know to preload in Galaxy you gotta add something to the mpq |
| 22:54.11 | Kueken | ya |
| 22:54.16 | Dustin | Maybe that would be fucking with it |
| 22:54.21 | Kueken | I use galaxy++ which does this for me :) |
| 22:54.32 | SoulTaker916_ | wait what do i need to do? |
| 22:54.51 | Kueken | not sure if it would fix your problem |
| 22:55.04 | Kueken | easiest way to preload banks is a gui trigger |
| 22:55.23 | Kueken | if you dont want a gui trigger, you need to add an xml file to your map |
| 22:56.04 | Kueken | if you happen to use the galaxy++ editor, you can use its inbuilt preload function, which creates the xml file for you |
| 22:56.45 | SoulTaker916_ | oh |
| 22:56.49 | SoulTaker916_ | so it was the preload |
| 22:56.52 | SoulTaker916_ | originaly |
| 22:57.03 | SoulTaker916_ | oh got ot |
| 22:57.05 | SoulTaker916_ | works now |
| 22:57.06 | SoulTaker916_ | thanks |
| 23:00.10 | JademusSreg | You weren't preloading? |
| 23:00.37 | JademusSreg | I just assumed you were. |
| 23:00.39 | SoulTaker916_ | through a loop |
| 23:00.40 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:01.00 | JademusSreg | Remember I said earlier? |
| 23:01.40 | SoulTaker916_ | remember whta i said |
| 23:01.42 | SoulTaker916_ | thats funnyer |
| 23:02.01 | JademusSreg | [15:25:46] <JademusSreg> There is no function to preload banks in galaxy because the GUI action to preload banks is a preprocessor command of a sort that generates a file in the map mpq that defines which banks to preload. |
| 23:02.01 | JademusSreg | [15:26:15] <JademusSreg> This is why variable expressions cannot be used in the Preload action; it only accepts literals because it is not part of the map script. |
| 23:02.04 | Aelie | why are there always no tooltip on the fields that could actually use one |
| 23:02.18 | Aelie | range: "maximum range of weapon" |
| 23:02.23 | Aelie | range slop: ?? |
| 23:02.34 | Dustin | Aelie, I ask that all the time :P |
| 23:02.50 | Dustin | It's like, they decided that the simple no brainer fields needed a description |
| 23:03.04 | Currydevil | that's all they could figure out themselves |
| 23:03.08 | Aelie | haha |
| 23:03.12 | Aelie | ill accept that |
| 23:03.24 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:03.50 | Dustin | "Well Jim is on vacation and he's the only one who knows wtf any of this shit means, Bob come fill this shit out" |
| 23:03.59 | Dustin | Im sure that's what happend |
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| 23:04.22 | Currydevil | "Oh there's a good one, i know what range is. Not sure about this range slop shit, but meh." |
| 23:05.11 | Currydevil | *five tooltips later* "My fingers hurt, this is too much typing" |
| 23:05.13 | JademusSreg | INTERN USING MAP EDITOR: Uh, sir, what does this field do? RESPONSE: It was difficult enough for us to make this editor; you expect us to understand it too? If you figure it out, unclude a tooltip, please. |
| 23:06.56 | Dustin | "We think Jim was high when he was coding this shit" |
| 23:07.02 | Aelie | fuck |
| 23:07.05 | Aelie | editor crashed |
| 23:07.27 | Aelie | how much did i lose |
| 23:07.44 | Aelie | oh.. i saved at 6:49 |
| 23:08.09 | Aelie | probably lost the range and speeds i entered.. |
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| 23:18.48 | Aelie | what is "radius bonus" |
| 23:19.03 | Currydevil | on a search area or damage effect? |
| 23:19.08 | Aelie | splash |
| 23:19.21 | SoulTaker916_ | its the bonus radial |
| 23:19.23 | SoulTaker916_ | duh |
| 23:19.30 | Aelie | dont be like that :< |
| 23:19.33 | Currydevil | i think it's how much further the effect will extend itself from it's current target |
| 23:19.39 | Aelie | no |
| 23:19.41 | Aelie | that radius |
| 23:19.50 | Currydevil | current target. |
| 23:19.52 | Aelie | unless oyu mean |
| 23:20.02 | Aelie | each target it hits projects its own splash |
| 23:20.08 | Kueken | radius bonus? |
| 23:20.17 | Aelie | yeah |
| 23:20.28 | Aelie | its another one of those "tooltip would be nice" fields |
| 23:20.34 | Kueken | if you use a persistent effect to execute a search or damage effect multiple times |
| 23:20.47 | Kueken | the bonus gets added for each additional execution |
| 23:20.51 | Aelie | i see |
| 23:20.56 | Aelie | so it ticks harder |
| 23:21.02 | Currydevil | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/effects/damage/ |
| 23:21.18 | Kueken | easy to make something like an expanding nova spell or something |
| 23:21.38 | Aelie | Currydevil: not in there |
| 23:21.43 | Currydevil | yes it is >.> |
| 23:21.47 | Aelie | no it isnt |
| 23:21.47 | Currydevil | scroll down. |
| 23:21.52 | Aelie | not for splash |
| 23:21.58 | Aelie | only for search |
| 23:22.02 | Currydevil | well, it's sthe same thing that kueken said. |
| 23:22.05 | Currydevil | so i dunno what you want >.> |
| 23:22.13 | Aelie | a sandwich |
| 23:22.14 | Aelie | :< |
| 23:22.22 | Currydevil | well, hire a maid. or get married? |
| 23:22.46 | Kueken | I dont believe in women |
| 23:22.50 | Currydevil | =O |
| 23:24.04 | SoulTaker916_ | yes cause women dont exist |
| 23:24.18 | SoulTaker916_ | figments of our imagination |
| 23:24.31 | SoulTaker916_ | this whole time we been getting our hands pregnate |
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| 23:25.14 | AppleOTemp | JademusSreg, do you really know that moving a unit instantly is faster than a move command? |
| 23:26.24 | Aelie | next question |
| 23:26.29 | Aelie | i want to have two levels |
| 23:26.37 | Aelie | 1.5 radius takes full damage |
| 23:26.41 | Aelie | 2.5 takes half |
| 23:27.02 | Currydevil | oh that's the easy part ailie |
| 23:27.05 | Aelie | do i have it so the inside circle is .5 |
| 23:27.10 | Currydevil | you put that in the search on the damage effect |
| 23:27.10 | Aelie | and the outside circle is .5? |
| 23:27.26 | Aelie | so things in the middle are hit by both? |
| 23:27.26 | Currydevil | the inside circle is 1 for fraction |
| 23:27.30 | Currydevil | no |
| 23:27.35 | Aelie | so they only get hit by one circle |
| 23:27.37 | Currydevil | or 1.5 |
| 23:27.39 | Currydevil | yes |
| 23:27.45 | Currydevil | it's like the siege tank |
| 23:27.45 | Aelie | the highest damage one? |
| 23:27.54 | Currydevil | is the center if you make it that way |
| 23:28.10 | Aelie | will it choose the region with the highest damage that theyre in/ |
| 23:28.13 | Currydevil | it's like playing darts |
| 23:28.13 | Currydevil | no |
| 23:28.22 | Currydevil | it will choose the "ring" that they are in |
| 23:28.29 | Currydevil | think of a dart board |
| 23:28.35 | Aelie | but its not necessarily rings |
| 23:28.46 | Currydevil | well the search area is if you make it 360 >.> |
| 23:28.49 | Currydevil | what is the arc? |
| 23:29.15 | Currydevil | was using ring as an example though |
| 23:29.22 | Currydevil | like a dart board |
| 23:29.34 | Aelie | im just sating |
| 23:29.38 | Aelie | saying* |
| 23:29.41 | Aelie | if two areas overlap |
| 23:29.44 | Aelie | and a unit is in both |
| 23:29.47 | Aelie | which does damage? |
| 23:30.00 | Currydevil | as far as i understand it |
| 23:30.21 | Currydevil | the search areas work from the limit on the first area to it's limit |
| 23:30.28 | Currydevil | so if you have 2 areas for damage |
| 23:30.30 | Aelie | ok |
| 23:30.35 | Aelie | so it checks area 1 first |
| 23:30.37 | Currydevil | the larger area won't cover the smaller area |
| 23:30.49 | Aelie | then anything that isnt in area 1 gets checked against area 2? |
| 23:30.54 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 23:31.02 | Aelie | so... small area first |
| 23:31.04 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 23:31.47 | Currydevil | so 1.5 radius will be fraction 1 |
| 23:31.51 | Currydevil | 2.5 fraction .5 |
| 23:36.11 | RndmObjcts | thats a big radius lol |
| 23:36.21 | RndmObjcts | well compared to what i usually use xD |
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| 23:40.18 | Aelie | well |
| 23:40.40 | Aelie | in the wc3 version it was 150/250 |
| 23:40.47 | Aelie | im just /100ing |
| 23:41.04 | Aelie | critical strike: hard? |
| 23:41.47 | Currydevil | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20669-video-critical-strike-tutorial/ if you want it |
| 23:41.59 | Currydevil | will have to search for a multiplier though |
| 23:42.43 | SoulTaker916_ | if i type @reset 1 |
| 23:42.47 | SoulTaker916_ | how do i get the 1? |
| 23:44.21 | Kueken | StringSub |
| 23:44.33 | SoulTaker916_ | haha just found it |
| 23:44.35 | SoulTaker916_ | i do 2,2? |
| 23:44.58 | Kueken | that would be the 2nd character |
| 23:45.11 | Kueken | the r of reset |
| 23:45.20 | SoulTaker916_ | oh i got it ty |
| 23:45.36 | Kueken | maybe you need to use 8,9 |
| 23:45.41 | Kueken | or 8,8 |
| 23:45.43 | Kueken | not sure |
| 23:45.49 | SoulTaker916_ | 89 |
| 23:45.55 | SoulTaker916_ | so i can do 15 |
| 23:45.56 | SoulTaker916_ | XD |
| 23:46.12 | Kueken | maybe you need 8,10 then ^^ |
| 23:46.33 | Aelie | that doesnt do a % damage though |
| 23:46.37 | Currydevil | i know.. |
| 23:46.41 | Aelie | its just a static amount of damage |
| 23:46.44 | Currydevil | you'll have to look around |
| 23:46.47 | Currydevil | that's all i remember |
| 23:47.09 | Kueken | critical strike in blizzard dota is triggered afaik |
| 23:48.04 | Kueken | I used a damage response behavior |
| 23:49.05 | Kueken | if the chance and amount is static, you can just use 2 different damage effects |
| 23:51.16 | Aelie | the amount is 2x |
| 23:51.24 | Aelie | and the chance is 25% |
| 23:52.26 | Kueken | if both f it does not change, you could use 2 damage effects, one causing normal damage the other one 2 times that damage |
| 23:52.49 | Kueken | and then use a set effect for randomization |
| 23:53.03 | Aelie | id hoped to do it without triggers |
| 23:53.21 | Kueken | that would be without triggers |
| 23:53.22 | Currydevil | so just do what keuken is suggesting ;) |
| 23:53.28 | Aelie | oh.. |
| 23:53.31 | Currydevil | 2 damage effects for each tower level |
| 23:53.36 | Currydevil | in a set |
| 23:53.39 | Aelie | ah |
| 23:53.41 | Aelie | ok |
| 23:53.46 | Aelie | that sounds about right |
| 23:53.49 | Currydevil | with a % chance to deal both effects |
| 23:54.02 | Aelie | luckily only diamonds have crit |
| 23:54.05 | Currydevil | hehe |
| 23:54.07 | Kueken | a set effect can be flagged to use the effects in random order |
| 23:54.21 | Kueken | and a maximum amount of effects can be specified |
| 23:54.27 | Kueken | so set random to true |
| 23:54.37 | Currydevil | oh cool |
| 23:54.39 | Kueken | add 3 times normal, 1 time crit effect |
| 23:54.57 | Kueken | and set min and max effect count to 1 |
| 23:55.03 | Currydevil | that's cool |
| 23:55.11 | Kueken | so it will always pick 1 random effect of the list |
| 23:55.13 | Currydevil | so it would have a 1/4 chance to crit |
| 23:55.16 | Kueken | yes |
| 23:55.23 | Currydevil | well "crit" |
| 23:55.24 | Currydevil | =P |
| 23:55.25 | Kueken | in theory |
| 23:55.32 | Kueken | never tried that, though |
| 23:55.39 | Aelie | how do you make a set effec |
| 23:55.40 | Kueken | just came up with it :D |
| 23:55.44 | Currydevil | sounds like genius to me |
| 23:55.49 | Currydevil | effect type set |
| 23:55.50 | Kueken | new effect, type set |
| 23:55.53 | Kueken | :D |
| 23:56.25 | Currydevil | that's great, i'm going to look into it. |
| 23:56.53 | Kueken | damn, why couldn't I come up with this earlier? |
| 23:57.01 | Currydevil | lol! |
| 23:57.11 | JademusSreg | Bacl. |
| 23:57.12 | Kueken | I had a great deal of problems with something similar before |
| 23:57.25 | Kueken | ended up using tons of behaviors and validators |
| 23:57.27 | Currydevil | well, it only works for a set % of extra damage though, so you would have to recreate it for every diff % you want. haha |
| 23:57.37 | Currydevil | well, not so much recreate it |
| 23:57.37 | Kueken | to make sure only one of the effects gets used |
| 23:57.41 | Currydevil | but add in more dmg effects |
| 23:57.48 | Aelie | so |
| 23:57.54 | Aelie | i need 3 effects per tower |
| 23:57.56 | Aelie | normal damage |
| 23:58.00 | Aelie | crit damage |
| 23:58.01 | Aelie | and set |
| 23:58.04 | Currydevil | yes |
| 23:58.08 | Aelie | ok |
| 23:58.15 | Currydevil | how often is the crit chance? |
| 23:58.18 | Aelie | 25% |
| 23:58.26 | Kueken | well, for a more dynamic crit I have another system, but thats way more complicated |
| 23:58.29 | Currydevil | so you would add the normal damage to the set 3 times |
| 23:58.32 | Currydevil | and 1 crit damage |
| 23:58.36 | Currydevil | lol |
| 23:58.38 | Aelie | i dont need more dynamic, luckily |
| 23:58.45 | Aelie | every tower with crit is static crit |
| 23:58.53 | Kueken | good for you :) |
| 23:59.06 | Kueken | I got heroes with crit attribute :/ |
| 23:59.10 | Aelie | lol |
| 23:59.16 | Currydevil | oh boy xD |
| 23:59.18 | Aelie | sounds like soemthing for a trigger |
| 23:59.45 | Currydevil | or stacking buffs if that works? lol |
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