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| 00:02.42 | merlinludwig | ty |
| 00:02.53 | merlinludwig | looks like it works |
| 00:02.57 | timecat | yea |
| 00:03.20 | merlinludwig | what do u think about the popup? |
| 00:03.52 | timecat | its fine i guess |
| 00:03.57 | merlinludwig | basically having others confirm... |
| 00:04.01 | timecat | imma tkae a nap |
| 00:04.02 | timecat | bbl |
| 00:04.10 | merlinludwig | i have to say, ur way is 10 times easier |
| 00:04.17 | merlinludwig | cu |
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| 01:09.48 | RipperRoo | re :S |
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| 01:52.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:00.58 | MindWorX | What t'you smilin' at boi? |
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| 02:25.57 | merlinludwig | he always smilin...i think its an afliction 'o some kind |
| 02:36.59 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 02:47.59 | Dustin | :O |
| 02:48.17 | MindWorX | attacks Dustin with a rusty spoon |
| 02:48.25 | Dustin | Noooooooooooooo |
| 02:48.30 | MindWorX | It is done |
| 02:48.38 | Vailreth | get a room |
| 02:48.38 | MindWorX | Rust poisoning is upon you |
| 02:48.47 | MindWorX | dry humps Vailreth |
| 02:49.08 | Dustin | mindy, your fps was better then the SC2 camera shit, go ahead and just start porting it over ;) |
| 02:49.25 | MindWorX | Haha |
| 02:49.28 | Vailreth | hm |
| 02:49.40 | MindWorX | Problem is, my stuff didn't work in MP ;) |
| 02:49.58 | Dustin | You shoulda been learning netcoding :P |
| 02:50.17 | MindWorX | I know how to code a multiplayer game, that's not it :P |
| 02:50.46 | MindWorX | I already did make a map with active joining and leaving, and a player cap limited only by hardware :P |
| 02:50.54 | MindWorX | Just ask JademusSreg, he tried it |
| 02:51.18 | Dustin | Oh I believe you, I remember the socket stuff being pretty far developed |
| 02:51.23 | MindWorX | Yah |
| 02:51.28 | MindWorX | It actually worked great |
| 02:51.49 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 02:51.50 | MindWorX | Each player had a unit they could control. No combat or anything, just a perfectly synced movement system |
| 02:51.54 | MindWorX | Was a neat start |
| 02:52.01 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 02:52.16 | Dustin | hell ya |
| 02:52.20 | JademusSreg | I got dropped from a cycles match. Argh. |
| 02:52.22 | Dustin | Wc3 editing, those were the days |
| 02:52.29 | MindWorX | I miss RtC :P |
| 02:52.37 | Dustin | I miss vJass :( |
| 02:52.39 | MindWorX | If I ever have the time, I'll do something like it for SC2 |
| 02:56.13 | Dustin | anyone wanna jump on bnet real fast and try this defense im workin on? |
| 03:14.58 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 03:15.16 | JademusSreg | Few matches of Photon Cycles, how refreshing. |
| 03:15.28 | JademusSreg | I was accused of cheating in every match. |
| 03:15.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:16.53 | merlinludwig | surprised? |
| 03:17.26 | JademusSreg | It's pretty funny. |
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| 03:49.17 | ThunderLord | Hey if i wanted to change witch attack animation a unit uses with each attack how do i do that? like i know the zealot has 2 variations on his attack animation, what if i wanted him to only use one? |
| 03:49.59 | JademusSreg | You would send it the message to play Attack 1 instead of just Attack. |
| 03:50.18 | JademusSreg | Assuming Attack 1 is the animation label. |
| 03:50.43 | ThunderLord | well it like randomizes the animation with each attack i think |
| 03:50.44 | ThunderLord | and |
| 03:51.09 | ThunderLord | could i do it like, he only uses animation 1 when he has a certain behavior and when he doesnt have that behavior he uses animation 2? |
| 03:51.25 | JademusSreg | Yes, with actor events, you certainly could. |
| 03:51.33 | JademusSreg | That's what actor event terms are for. |
| 03:51.44 | ThunderLord | so just put in a term |
| 03:52.08 | JademusSreg | Yes, a term that calls a validator that checks for the behavior. |
| 03:52.22 | ThunderLord | cool, ill give it a try, im new with actors kinda, ive always avoided them cuz i didnt want to learn, but now i have to /= lol |
| 03:52.30 | ThunderLord | thanks for the tip, ill let you know how it works |
| 03:52.30 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:52.35 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 03:56.44 | ThunderLord | hey JademusSreg, will i have to do somthing that sends a message each time he attacks or will it work if i just send it once after he gets the behavior, or loses it? |
| 03:57.43 | JademusSreg | You need to replace the existing actor event that tells it to play an attack animation, substituting it with your own new actor events. |
| 03:58.41 | JademusSreg | So yes, the new actor events will run each tiome it attacks, and they will evaluate their terms each time. |
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| 04:11.11 | AppleOTemp | I'm having a hard time figureing out how to make a unit play animaitons correctly while being moved with the move unit instantly trigger every 0.0625 seconds |
| 04:11.19 | AppleOTemp | anyone delt with this? have an idea? |
| 04:11.33 | JademusSreg | Are they not playing at all? |
| 04:12.01 | AppleOTemp | the unit will play the animation fine while not being moved, but when they are moved by the trigger, it pauses on that frame for as long as they are being moved |
| 04:12.56 | JademusSreg | Odd. I didn't have trouble playing the Walk animation on units in conjunction with setting position. |
| 04:13.20 | JademusSreg | And I updated 32 times per game second. |
| 04:14.04 | AppleOTemp | i think i already found the problem by reading my own question while i was writing it |
| 04:14.06 | AppleOTemp | as usual |
| 04:15.41 | AppleOTemp | i just wanna say its fkn crazy that your map goes from like 850 hours played down to under 500 hours played on monday mornings |
| 04:15.56 | JademusSreg | Yep. Haha |
| 04:15.58 | AppleOTemp | i watched it change in real time |
| 04:16.08 | JademusSreg | Right now it's around the upper 300s. |
| 04:16.53 | JademusSreg | Same place on the list though, which suggests a general trend in decreased playtime for all maps on sunday evening through monday morning. |
| 04:17.36 | AppleOTemp | fkn assholes playing squadron tower defence |
| 04:17.51 | JademusSreg | Haha, dunno what that is, besides a TD. |
| 04:18.20 | merlinludwig | i like squadron :P haven't played it since before power towers though |
| 04:19.25 | AppleOTemp | for some reason has 45000 favorites, and on the weekend has about 30000-35000hours played |
| 04:20.01 | JademusSreg | Haha. Crazy. Must be a hell of a grind. |
| 04:27.53 | AppleOTemp | hmm i just tested it |
| 04:28.50 | AppleOTemp | it would seem kinda horrid to you in many aspects, but its design is one of those.. regarding time.. one of those tower defences that make u stay alive for like 50 rounds before you actually die, and make it kinda enjoyable to sit there for 50 rounds |
| 04:30.27 | merlinludwig | personally, i thought squadron was well made |
| 04:30.28 | JademusSreg | The genre in general is boring to me, to say nothing of the multitudes of poorly made TDs. The issue I have with them is their dullness for lack of much for a player to do. |
| 04:31.12 | JademusSreg | Build, watch towers kill creeps or watch them waddle by to your dom. |
| 04:31.23 | JademusSreg | *doom |
| 04:31.24 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:31.41 | JademusSreg | It's entirely too passive an experience. |
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| 04:32.11 | AppleOTemp | yeah it does good at that |
| 04:32.17 | AppleOTemp | has some nice background music |
| 04:32.33 | merlinludwig | in squadron the towers become units...gives u something to watch |
| 04:32.35 | AppleOTemp | the towers actually turn into units each round, and the units fight the incomeing wave |
| 04:32.43 | merlinludwig | thats y its so popular |
| 04:32.51 | AppleOTemp | u cant control them so its like just somthing peopl watch |
| 04:32.52 | AppleOTemp | lol |
| 04:33.13 | JademusSreg | Of course, it feels good when you outperform your fellow players, and killing especially challenging waves or boss creeps is nice, but those are little punctuation marks in what amount to long run-on sentences of repetitive detail. Like Proust's work. |
| 04:33.35 | merlinludwig | sigh... |
| 04:33.48 | merlinludwig | i see i dont have much choice anymore... |
| 04:33.50 | AppleOTemp | id more call it... |
| 04:33.59 | AppleOTemp | like a casual game |
| 04:34.06 | merlinludwig | i must begin my next map project. |
| 04:34.33 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:34.35 | AppleOTemp | what was your last one? |
| 04:34.40 | merlinludwig | ... |
| 04:34.44 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:34.48 | merlinludwig | i made a mod :P |
| 04:34.59 | AppleOTemp | oh.. |
| 04:35.09 | merlinludwig | that counts for something...other people have used it |
| 04:35.11 | JademusSreg | He's a contributer on Power Towers. |
| 04:35.13 | merlinludwig | :) |
| 04:35.49 | merlinludwig | no...its time to begin the "project from hell" |
| 04:36.22 | AppleOTemp | i got kinda burnt on working on my map and playing it with people who are bad and dont know what their doing, so going really on and off map making atm lol |
| 04:37.21 | AppleOTemp | my map has a big similarity to yours jademussreg, in the way the experience of the game is with various numbers of players and their skill level |
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| 04:37.37 | AppleOTemp | testing can be like a 4 player ffa photon cycles where your pro and they are all terrible |
| 04:38.01 | AppleOTemp | but iv had some games that have been like an 8 player photon cycles with 5 pros |
| 04:38.09 | JademusSreg | Yes, and both maps suffer from battlenet's imposed latency. |
| 04:38.30 | AppleOTemp | to me mine doesnt suffer at all : / |
| 04:38.36 | AppleOTemp | honest, * |
| 04:39.03 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't compare its responsiveness to CS. =D |
| 04:39.16 | JademusSreg | But that's certain not our fault. |
| 04:39.22 | AppleOTemp | its like designed around the lag, lag ahs no effect at all on the shooting system, the only thing it has is a lil delay in the movement which is getting lowered now by your tip, and you cant even shoot while moving or anything like that |
| 04:40.12 | AppleOTemp | im just tlaking cuz i dont wanna go back to that editor |
| 04:40.16 | AppleOTemp | goin back. |
| 04:41.08 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 04:55.20 | AppleOTemp | on my game if you shoot anyone, if they are in your crosshairs when you push the key to fire, you will hit them, no matter the delay |
| 04:55.41 | JademusSreg | Yep, shooting works fine. |
| 04:56.38 | JademusSreg | It's so effective, I'd rather see some PvE, co-op maps with the same engine. |
| 04:56.53 | JademusSreg | Or system, rather. |
| 04:57.38 | JademusSreg | It would be a way of drawing in more casual players to the competitive PvP map. |
| 04:57.51 | JademusSreg | All under the brand of Ghost Ops. |
| 04:58.39 | merlinludwig | FPS is such an advanced concept for me...i thought about RPG, but id better start with something simple |
| 04:59.25 | JademusSreg | Dealing with cameras is the most buggered thing about doing FPS in SC2, I opine. |
| 04:59.38 | AppleOTemp | iv said i limited the game modes down to just ranked and unranked, origonnaly was going to be a campaign mode, which is like different missions you have on the maps that could be like survivals, bosses, anything at all really |
| 05:00.03 | JademusSreg | I'd love to see a series of Ghost Ops maps. |
| 05:00.18 | JademusSreg | That's precisely the sort of thing I imagine would get some Blizzard attention. |
| 05:00.19 | AppleOTemp | well not multipul maps, but multipul maps within this map |
| 05:00.25 | JademusSreg | Especially with your UI polish. |
| 05:00.45 | JademusSreg | I know, I was furthering my own suggestionm. |
| 05:01.29 | AppleOTemp | this new movement system+ animations, havent worked on any kinda physics yet, is looking to be a very big improovement |
| 05:02.13 | JademusSreg | I look forward to seeing it in game. |
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| 05:09.39 | Mexa_ | ugh |
| 05:09.51 | Mexa_ | 5hours sleep, being ill isn't nice :| |
| 05:10.00 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:10.20 | Mexa_ | ,_, |
| 05:10.28 | JademusSreg | How's it going, Mexa? |
| 05:10.39 | Mexa_ | it? |
| 05:10.54 | JademusSreg | Stuff, life, projects. |
| 05:11.19 | timecat | anyone know how to give hero units points to put in to abilities? |
| 05:11.20 | JademusSreg | Stuff it = new Stuff(); |
| 05:11.23 | timecat | i've never worked with heroes before |
| 05:11.24 | Mexa_ | The designer is progressing, slowly and steady |
| 05:11.43 | Mexa_ | Other than that I have been busy with classes |
| 05:11.58 | Dustin | Anyone wanna hop on NA and test my defensem ap? |
| 05:12.00 | Dustin | map* |
| 05:12.04 | Mexa_ | And I'm struggling with money atm |
| 05:12.12 | JademusSreg | timecat, I do not recall. Should be actions for that. |
| 05:12.30 | JademusSreg | Dustin, sorry, busy. |
| 05:12.57 | Mexa_ | manyways, I might go back to bed to get more well.. |
| 05:12.59 | Mexa_ | Laters |
| 05:13.02 | JademusSreg | Later/ |
| 05:13.10 | merlinludwig | timecat, what about storing some points in a custom unit value? |
| 05:14.29 | merlinludwig | nvm...i dont like my idea |
| 05:15.34 | merlinludwig | i saw something in the data editor somewhere about custom stats...sadly, i dont remember where |
| 05:17.10 | merlinludwig | sorry, i'd look but im busy...i have the editor open in the background, behind wow, behind a spreadsheet, that is directly related to what i want to do in the editor |
| 05:17.22 | merlinludwig | sigh |
| 05:17.32 | merlinludwig | and i should be sleeping |
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| 06:03.59 | timecat | hmm |
| 06:04.11 | Dustin | Hmm indeed |
| 06:04.15 | timecat | i made my hero able to learn abilities |
| 06:04.21 | timecat | but i don't know how to make it learn a passive ability |
| 06:04.33 | Dustin | should I make my upgrades effect all defense units or a single one |
| 06:05.32 | Dustin | The abilities are weird |
| 06:05.35 | Dustin | esp with passive |
| 06:05.44 | Dustin | I ran into problems with that to i think |
| 06:05.45 | timecat | well i mean |
| 06:05.56 | timecat | i want to have it learn an ability and when it learns it, apply a behavior to itself |
| 06:07.07 | Dustin | make the learn ability an effect target that applys a behavior? |
| 06:07.20 | timecat | yea i could do that |
| 06:07.25 | timecat | but then its manual |
| 06:07.32 | timecat | i want it to apply that behavior automatically |
| 06:07.54 | Dustin | hmmm |
| 06:10.18 | timecat | hmm i know |
| 06:10.27 | timecat | i'll make it a passive that cost energy |
| 06:10.32 | timecat | so they can manually control it |
| 06:30.09 | Dustin | They need to release this new patch |
| 06:30.13 | Dustin | so I can attach dialogs to units |
| 06:32.45 | AppleOTemp | i dont get it |
| 06:33.11 | AppleOTemp | how will we be able to do that, will they then be anchored to the unit on your screen? |
| 06:33.26 | AppleOTemp | be 3d? |
| 06:33.29 | AppleOTemp | >> |
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| 07:40.48 | Currydevil | hmm, tree doodads don't have a large enough footprint to be detected by my pathing validator =O |
| 07:47.55 | Currydevil | mm fixed. |
| 07:48.06 | timecat | doodads don't have pathing unless you give it to them |
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| 08:08.29 | Currydevil | some of them do! (even though you're gone) |
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| 11:50.54 | Mexa_ | yawn |
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| 12:14.53 | Ashamed | good morning |
| 12:34.34 | Mexa_ | not sure if it's good, but - afternoon |
| 12:36.52 | Nash|327 | Mexaface |
| 12:37.02 | Nash|327 | season 2 video D: |
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| 12:44.26 | Mexa_ | it's out? |
| 12:44.27 | Mexa_ | hm |
| 12:48.50 | Mexa_ | It's not |
| 12:50.40 | Mexa_ | Ahahahah, Nash |
| 12:50.55 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 12:50.56 | Mexa_ | They've dubbed season 1 to swedish now |
| 12:50.59 | Nash|327 | tehre's a video |
| 12:51.07 | Nash|327 | with Discord :G |
| 12:51.16 | Mexa_ | It was only a sneak peak |
| 12:51.21 | Mexa_ | 1 minute long or so |
| 12:51.45 | Mexa_ | My Little Pony: Vänskap är magisk) are set to debut on Boomerang on September 26, 2011 |
| 12:51.47 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 12:52.21 | Nash|327 | Those dubs are horrid. |
| 12:52.44 | Mexa_ | yeah |
| 12:53.24 | Nash|327 | Why aren't you on Equestria Daily chat D; |
| 12:53.34 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 12:53.49 | Mexa_ | I'm not really into the hype:P |
| 12:54.48 | Nash|327 | bah! |
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| 13:01.03 | Ashamed | omg |
| 13:01.13 | Ashamed | you guys are fricken n3rdz |
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| 13:17.41 | Nash|327 | zomg |
| 13:17.53 | Nash|327 | nerds on the internets |
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| 14:22.50 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:27.07 | Ashamed | avg map all getting some air |
| 14:27.21 | Ashamed | avg... wow how the brain works |
| 14:27.25 | Ashamed | i meant to say a Jade... |
| 14:27.34 | Ashamed | I was thinking of a avg script atm >< |
| 14:27.38 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
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| 14:57.11 | Mexa_ | avg? |
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| 15:35.14 | Ashamed | anyone know a good way to create .msi package files? |
| 15:35.32 | Ashamed | The converter i am using is not working :( it like gets almost done and then fails |
| 15:36.28 | JademusSreg | Which tool do you use? |
| 15:36.59 | Ashamed | only free one i could find >< |
| 15:37.10 | Ashamed | exe to msi converter |
| 15:37.25 | Ashamed | hmmm |
| 15:37.35 | Ashamed | mby i just broke the install all together |
| 15:37.36 | Ashamed | i am getting the error even when usong exe now |
| 15:37.47 | Ashamed | mby there is a bad msi trying to run... |
| 15:40.40 | Deaod|work | errr, why do you want to convert a .exe file into a .msi file? |
| 15:41.04 | Ashamed | to package it.... |
| 15:41.26 | Ashamed | i am trying to create a script that will reconize the version unistall it and install correct one |
| 15:41.39 | Ashamed | best way i have ever done this is msi |
| 15:42.46 | Ashamed | hmm mby i need a reboot after unistall.. |
| 15:42.47 | Ashamed | bnrb |
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| 16:44.24 | Aelie | hi |
| 16:44.41 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 16:46.30 | Aelie | hows it going |
| 16:46.41 | JademusSreg | Smashingly. |
| 16:46.59 | Aelie | cool |
| 16:47.18 | Aelie | i think i am going to make a map |
| 16:49.59 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
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| 17:55.50 | soulcarver | anybody here with a good deal of know how regarding weapons? |
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| 17:59.37 | soulcarver | any data people here? |
| 18:02.46 | soulcarver | wish people were in here more often |
| 18:03.56 | Aelie | well.. it is 2pm |
| 18:04.06 | Aelie | most people are at work or school right now |
| 18:04.19 | soulcarver | im at school right now |
| 18:04.28 | soulcarver | learning about relational data ... |
| 18:04.32 | Aelie | just cause youre a slacker doesnt mean everyone is |
| 18:04.40 | soulcarver | mhmm |
| 18:05.00 | soulcarver | you know anything about weapons? |
| 18:05.06 | soulcarver | data type? |
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| 18:09.26 | JademusSreg | Sorry, busy. |
| 18:10.53 | JademusSreg | But while you're on, I suggest giving the zerg in your TD a tower to hit both ground and air, something moderately effective against both, that applies some moderate dps, so the zerg isn't wiped out by the first air wave. |
| 18:13.19 | JademusSreg | Just balance it so it's less effective than either ground or air tower at their respective specialties. |
| 18:14.47 | Aelie | who are you talking to |
| 18:16.52 | JademusSreg | carver. |
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| 18:24.05 | soulcarver | sup |
| 18:24.56 | soulcarver | was just adding an aoe slowing tower... |
| 18:25.12 | soulcarver | was wondering if i can make weapons do aoe effects from the unit with it |
| 18:28.28 | Mexa_ | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/9802462843/client-calling-our-computer-store-for |
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| 19:16.35 | AppleOTemp | I'm going to ask this futile question again, does anyone know whats up with camera height and unit height around terrain cliffs, and steep terrain height changes |
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| 19:20.22 | AppleOTemp | when i place a flying unit on the edge of a cliff, and make it float above the edge, and i attach the camera to that unit, the cameras height will go very high up, even tho the camera is set to retain a certain height, same with the unit, its like these terrain heights morph every plane to a rediculous ammoutn beyond that what is actually displayed as terrain |
| 19:27.02 | Aelie | is there a way to make the placement grid smaller? |
| 19:28.16 | AppleOTemp | u mean to actually make the GRID have smaller incriments? |
| 19:28.20 | AppleOTemp | smaller squares?? |
| 19:28.30 | AppleOTemp | zoom the camera out .. LOL |
| 19:28.47 | Aelie | yeah, i guess |
| 19:29.06 | Aelie | guess id need to make the map larger then |
| 19:33.47 | timecat | aelie: yea there is |
| 19:33.50 | timecat | one sec and i'll find it |
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| 19:38.34 | timecat | huh |
| 19:38.36 | timecat | can't findi t |
| 19:38.55 | Aelie | :< |
| 19:51.24 | AppleOTemp | dawdadasgsghdf jdb ajkbwv jhaw |
| 19:51.25 | AppleOTemp | awkd jhjwa |
| 19:54.18 | AppleOTemp | dont wanna remake all my terrain and figure out there was a fix later |
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| 20:15.54 | timecat | whenever iw ork with actor events i feel like the yao ming face |
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| 20:18.03 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:20.11 | timecat | for some reason |
| 20:20.19 | timecat | the impact model is playing on the attack launch |
| 20:20.30 | timecat | even though the impact model is referenced in target - impact map |
| 20:35.22 | Currydevil | so just make the impact model a seperate actor that plays on damage or something |
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| 20:43.39 | UloseTheGame | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3123370384 eat it up mappers, I'll be doing this daily :) |
| 20:43.46 | UloseTheGame | xD |
| 20:44.17 | timecat | cool story bro |
| 20:44.25 | timecat | instead of qqing on the forums |
| 20:44.29 | timecat | why don't you jsut not play it |
| 20:44.39 | UloseTheGame | -_- |
| 20:45.25 | UloseTheGame | somebody doesn't understand the concept of trolling the rich and giving to the poor |
| 20:45.39 | UloseTheGame | so timecat, how's power towers? |
| 20:45.41 | timecat | except thats not what you're dong |
| 20:46.11 | timecat | and its going quite well, i'm preparing for a massive update |
| 20:46.16 | UloseTheGame | If that's not what I'm doing, i have no idea what im doing, plz read :) |
| 20:46.20 | UloseTheGame | oh good |
| 20:46.41 | UloseTheGame | I really hope the community recognizes it as a good map |
| 20:46.44 | UloseTheGame | instead of dismissing it |
| 20:46.47 | timecat | they have so far |
| 20:46.53 | timecat | 1200+ hours played on it |
| 20:46.56 | Jum-Jum | Best thread I've seen on the forums |
| 20:46.56 | UloseTheGame | also, make sure it's intuitive |
| 20:47.04 | Jum-Jum | Don't see any trolling in it, just plain good ol' honest feedback |
| 20:47.09 | UloseTheGame | :) |
| 20:47.15 | Jum-Jum | That the map is shit and that the whole b.net system is crap when it comes to custom games |
| 20:47.29 | UloseTheGame | i'll be doing one for each first page map |
| 20:47.30 | timecat | i'm having trouble designing an ability that deals damage based off of how much damage the unit has already taken |
| 20:47.40 | timecat | thing is, its a learned ability |
| 20:47.46 | timecat | with multiple levels |
| 20:47.53 | timecat | so i can't catch it with a trigger |
| 20:48.01 | JademusSreg | Sure you can. |
| 20:48.05 | UloseTheGame | if I like a map, it will be a special feature of absolute trash where i commend a map rather than say it sucks |
| 20:48.10 | timecat | how do i know which level its at with a trigger? |
| 20:48.40 | timecat | thegame, what you're doing is just being a dick |
| 20:48.46 | JademusSreg | native int UnitAbilityGetLevel (unit inUnit, string inAbil); |
| 20:48.49 | timecat | threads like that one are pointless |
| 20:48.57 | timecat | oh? |
| 20:49.04 | timecat | didn't realize that was a function |
| 20:49.07 | Jum-Jum | lol I was just going to suggest that UloseTheGame |
| 20:49.16 | Jum-Jum | "just do every map on the frontpage" |
| 20:49.21 | JademusSreg | I just assume that all galaxy natives have GUI analogs. |
| 20:49.36 | timecat | is that an event or a condition? |
| 20:49.46 | UloseTheGame | timecat, It's a freaking forum |
| 20:49.53 | UloseTheGame | people LIKE threads like that |
| 20:49.55 | timecat | any mods in here atm? |
| 20:49.59 | timecat | someone just ban this idiot |
| 20:50.04 | UloseTheGame | we need more controversy on the battle net forums |
| 20:50.19 | UloseTheGame | jeez... |
| 20:50.26 | UloseTheGame | somebody's touchy |
| 20:50.36 | timecat | go troll some other chat |
| 20:50.48 | timecat | no, its just that people like you are a waste of air |
| 20:51.24 | UloseTheGame | I'm a friend of mappers, I am friendly all the time really, what I am doing is making threads that create controversy |
| 20:51.35 | UloseTheGame | it's trolling to a point |
| 20:51.46 | UloseTheGame | but I don't see how the battle net forums affect you |
| 20:52.00 | timecat | they don't |
| 20:52.08 | UloseTheGame | okay then |
| 20:52.12 | UloseTheGame | why care? |
| 20:52.14 | timecat | ah found it jade |
| 20:52.23 | timecat | anyone using icechat? |
| 20:52.26 | timecat | how do i mute someone |
| 20:52.38 | UloseTheGame | You don't know me all that well is the problem I think... |
| 20:52.44 | UloseTheGame | but hey, not complaining |
| 20:53.15 | UloseTheGame | ? |
| 20:53.26 | UloseTheGame | CTCP VERSION? |
| 20:53.35 | UloseTheGame | what does that mean lol |
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| 20:54.36 | UloseTheGame | hey Thenarden |
| 20:55.55 | UloseTheGame | anyway |
| 20:56.15 | UloseTheGame | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3123370384 like it if you will, dont if you wont, doesn't matter to me |
| 20:56.17 | UloseTheGame | post something |
| 20:56.19 | UloseTheGame | :) |
| 20:56.51 | Jum-Jum | I will login and I will rate it |
| 20:57.06 | UloseTheGame | :) |
| 20:57.07 | UloseTheGame | :D |
| 20:58.19 | Jum-Jum | meh I can't post |
| 20:58.23 | UloseTheGame | awww |
| 20:58.25 | UloseTheGame | EU? |
| 20:58.26 | Jum-Jum | says I need to have a sc2 account blahblah |
| 20:58.27 | Jum-Jum | yes |
| 20:58.29 | UloseTheGame | lol |
| 20:58.33 | UloseTheGame | ah lol :) |
| 20:58.34 | Jum-Jum | I need to be US to post there? |
| 20:58.37 | UloseTheGame | I have eu account |
| 20:58.38 | UloseTheGame | yes |
| 20:58.44 | UloseTheGame | but dunno if i wanna post on eu or not |
| 20:58.48 | Jum-Jum | Once again, the region lock punches you in the face |
| 20:59.06 | UloseTheGame | :\ what about me? I paid 60$ just in case lol |
| 20:59.21 | UloseTheGame | blizzard aint revoking that shit anytime soon |
| 20:59.39 | UloseTheGame | want I should post on eu? |
| 21:00.38 | Jum-Jum | nah |
| 21:00.40 | UloseTheGame | done :) |
| 21:00.40 | UloseTheGame | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2624979207#1 |
| 21:00.41 | Jum-Jum | not that important |
| 21:00.43 | UloseTheGame | lol |
| 21:00.44 | Jum-Jum | oh lordy |
| 21:00.45 | JademusSreg | Hopefully the next NA map night will be as enjoyable as the last. |
| 21:00.49 | UloseTheGame | :P |
| 21:00.50 | Jum-Jum | now you are forcing me to post there |
| 21:00.51 | UloseTheGame | yep jade |
| 21:00.54 | UloseTheGame | :D |
| 21:00.56 | UloseTheGame | lolz |
| 21:01.00 | UloseTheGame | sorry jum |
| 21:01.03 | Jum-Jum | You should just have only shitty reviews of every map |
| 21:01.10 | UloseTheGame | prolly ya |
| 21:01.12 | Jum-Jum | And then suddenly just pick one from this community and give it a good rating |
| 21:01.16 | UloseTheGame | except maps I LIKE |
| 21:01.20 | Jum-Jum | so people can go "wtf" at it |
| 21:01.23 | UloseTheGame | right |
| 21:01.25 | UloseTheGame | lol |
| 21:02.53 | UloseTheGame | I enjoy maps like Photon, Mafia, and even Malum Ruina |
| 21:03.00 | UloseTheGame | the innovative kind |
| 21:03.04 | UloseTheGame | all rodrigo maps are great too :) |
| 21:03.11 | UloseTheGame | HUGE lotr fan too =D |
| 21:04.02 | UloseTheGame | see ya guys |
| 21:04.03 | UloseTheGame | gtg |
| 21:11.40 | Currydevil | hmmm need a good map name. |
| 21:11.51 | JademusSreg | What's the map? |
| 21:12.46 | Currydevil | Do you remember bunker wars type maps from SC1? not the Zone Control style bunker wars from WC3/SC2 |
| 21:12.57 | Aelie | Currydevil: Curry TD advanced master edition pro v.1 |
| 21:13.03 | Currydevil | you get a bunker at a random place on the map, and battle to the death |
| 21:13.09 | Currydevil | lol, has a nice ring ;) |
| 21:13.10 | JademusSreg | Naw, all the maps in SC1 seemed terrible to me. |
| 21:13.19 | Currydevil | Well ... -.- |
| 21:13.36 | Aelie | there were some good sc1 maps |
| 21:13.45 | Currydevil | indeed. |
| 21:13.53 | JademusSreg | Not counting some well made campaigns. =D |
| 21:14.00 | Currydevil | anyways, the map was fun for the time |
| 21:14.16 | Currydevil | you would get more units based on the kills you got, and had to be the last one standing. |
| 21:14.56 | Currydevil | Concept wise, this map is similar |
| 21:15.10 | JademusSreg | Sounds like it's a stalemate, until it snowballs. |
| 21:15.20 | Currydevil | you will get a base and have to fight against other players to be the last one alive. |
| 21:15.22 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 21:15.30 | Currydevil | well, that was the sc1 map |
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| 21:16.12 | Currydevil | Actually, the only similar thing is the map and the starting positions. |
| 21:16.24 | Currydevil | other than that, the gameplay will be diff |
| 21:17.00 | Currydevil | care to take a look at my proposed method for construction Jade? |
| 21:19.03 | Aelie | the problem with maps like that is |
| 21:19.12 | JademusSreg | Random positions in what sense> |
| 21:19.13 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:19.22 | Aelie | the the person who gets the first few kills snowballs into a win |
| 21:19.45 | Currydevil | in sc1 there were multiple regions placed around the map where the bunker could be spawned for a player |
| 21:19.51 | Currydevil | yes |
| 21:19.55 | Aelie | nd theres no real way to catch up since the person in front will always have more and more and better units than anyone else |
| 21:19.59 | Currydevil | BUT mine is not going to be based on kills |
| 21:20.07 | Currydevil | i might add a few bonueses kill wise |
| 21:20.23 | Currydevil | but it's not going to be kill driven |
| 21:20.36 | JademusSreg | How then do you manage progression? |
| 21:20.47 | Currydevil | Well, here's the basic idea |
| 21:21.20 | Currydevil | forget the random placement, i will start everyone in the middle and give them 1-2 min to find a place to build |
| 21:21.32 | Aelie | games like dota, a 30 minute game where the winner more often than not is decided in the first 5 minutes |
| 21:21.43 | Currydevil | I have designed a fun build method |
| 21:22.08 | Currydevil | your main building spawns nodes around it and those nodes will be used to build other stuff |
| 21:22.38 | Currydevil | resource harvesters, energy colelctors, barracks, tech, defense turrets, etc |
| 21:22.44 | RipperRoo | hi party people :D |
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| 21:22.56 | JademusSreg | Sounds like modified melee. |
| 21:22.59 | JademusSreg | Hi Roo. |
| 21:23.04 | Currydevil | sort of.. |
| 21:23.07 | Currydevil | I guess |
| 21:23.58 | Currydevil | you will get a choice 1 of several captain (hero of sorts) and then can build a squad (limited size) around the pros./cons of that captain |
| 21:24.19 | Currydevil | ex: Raynor boosts marines, Nova boosts ghosts etc |
| 21:24.33 | Currydevil | each squad will have it's usefulness |
| 21:24.41 | JademusSreg | So it's like bunker wars, only entirely unlike bunker wars. Like a glass of water sans water? |
| 21:24.43 | RipperRoo | Hi jade :) |
| 21:24.48 | Currydevil | squad killers, base killers, vehilce killers |
| 21:25.05 | Currydevil | well, i only mentioned bunker wars because the gameplay minus the kill driven advancement |
| 21:25.32 | JademusSreg | So your buildings spawn units automatically and you use them in mass battles? |
| 21:25.39 | Currydevil | no |
| 21:25.42 | Currydevil | not mass battles |
| 21:25.48 | Currydevil | limited squad size |
| 21:26.02 | Currydevil | more micro sized |
| 21:26.04 | Currydevil | not macro |
| 21:26.15 | JademusSreg | So they spawn automatically to a cap? So it's Dawn of War 2? |
| 21:26.24 | Currydevil | and no, not automatic spawn either |
| 21:26.34 | JademusSreg | Ah, so it's exactly like Dawn of War 2, then. |
| 21:26.36 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:26.42 | Currydevil | i have not played dawn of war 2. |
| 21:26.45 | Currydevil | So, i dunno |
| 21:27.18 | Currydevil | didn't even know the gameplay, so it's completely random i came up with the same gameplay =O |
| 21:28.42 | Currydevil | but, taking inspiration from merlins power network thing and another flash game I played, the defense turrets will be powered by energy which is produced by energy collectors. |
| 21:29.08 | Currydevil | not so much powered though as in just having an energy cost per attack |
| 21:29.36 | JademusSreg | Download the Dawn of War 2 Demo on Steam. |
| 21:30.24 | Currydevil | what good will that do? lol |
| 21:30.31 | Currydevil | just so I can see how alike my idea is? |
| 21:30.31 | JademusSreg | You may find the experience inspiring. |
| 21:30.34 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 22:26.58 | Aelie | is there an easy way to convert back to the way wc3 does armor |
| 22:27.08 | Aelie | or is it convoluted and kludgy |
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| 22:29.17 | timecat | anyone know how to change the button when you upgrade a hero's ability? |
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| 22:34.43 | Kueken | Aelie: You could call it convoluted and kludgy ;) |
| 22:35.11 | Aelie | i mean |
| 22:35.31 | Kueken | timecat: you could use catalog triggers, upgrades or multiple layers of buttons in the command card hidden via requirements |
| 22:36.02 | Aelie | i read a way that requieres you to create a seperate buff for every point of armor and then have a trigger that applies the correct one |
| 22:36.19 | Kueken | well, thats a possibility |
| 22:36.27 | Kueken | I used a different approach |
| 22:36.28 | Aelie | but i really dont want to do that |
| 22:36.30 | timecat | kueken: what would you recommend? |
| 22:37.03 | Kueken | timecat: If you have a maximum of 1 hero per player, I recommend catalog triggers |
| 22:37.09 | Aelie | i will probably just use flat damage increase buffs instead |
| 22:37.14 | Kueken | or an upgrade, which is essentially the same thing |
| 22:37.16 | timecat | i don't |
| 22:37.45 | timecat | so i need to use multiple layers then? |
| 22:38.02 | Kueken | thats just a theory, not sure, if it even works |
| 22:38.07 | Aelie | Kueken: im converting a wc3 map that had some towers with a defense lowering aura |
| 22:38.11 | Kueken | I never tried it, I just came up with it |
| 22:38.38 | Kueken | aelie: I realized a WC3 armor system using a stacking damage reduction buff |
| 22:38.55 | Kueken | I use triggers to calculate the correct number of stacks |
| 22:39.10 | Kueken | each stack reduce damage by 0.5% |
| 22:39.17 | Kueken | so I have a limited accuracy |
| 22:39.17 | Aelie | what kind of triggers |
| 22:39.30 | Kueken | I made armor an attribute |
| 22:39.41 | Kueken | used the attribute changed event |
| 22:39.43 | Aelie | can i just have a tower project a DR aura that increases damage taken by monsters in range |
| 22:39.52 | Kueken | yes sure |
| 22:40.02 | Kueken | you dont need a wc3 armor system for that |
| 22:40.06 | Aelie | probably the simplest solution |
| 22:40.27 | Aelie | i just need to calculate how much dr the armor from wc3 confers |
| 22:40.50 | Kueken | a wc3 armor system is pretty complicated, if you just need damage amplification you are better off using a simple buff |
| 22:40.50 | Aelie | well |
| 22:40.54 | Aelie | no it wasnt |
| 22:41.03 | Aelie | its simpel |
| 22:41.03 | Kueken | and increase the damage using the damage response field of the buff |
| 22:41.03 | Aelie | 6% dr for each armor |
| 22:41.09 | Aelie | multiplied |
| 22:41.15 | Aelie | so 2 armor = .94 * .94 |
| 22:41.27 | Kueken | well, its your decidion, either you remake the whole system |
| 22:41.31 | Kueken | *decision |
| 22:41.38 | Aelie | well |
| 22:41.47 | Aelie | i am not gonna turn every mob into a hero |
| 22:41.48 | Kueken | or you just use something like a plain 20% damage increase |
| 22:41.49 | Aelie | :) |
| 22:41.55 | Kueken | no need to ;) |
| 22:42.04 | Kueken | attributes work just fine for units |
| 22:42.17 | Kueken | you dont need an attribute as well |
| 22:42.22 | Kueken | thats just what I used |
| 22:42.23 | Aelie | eitehr way, no real reason to do it like that |
| 22:42.50 | Aelie | there sure are a lot of parts to units in sc2 |
| 22:43.03 | timecat | hmm |
| 22:44.51 | Aelie | is there an easy way to do variable damage |
| 22:45.02 | timecat | yea |
| 22:45.03 | timecat | triggers |
| 22:45.11 | Aelie | meh |
| 22:45.14 | Aelie | i mean like |
| 22:45.18 | Aelie | 1-10 randomly |
| 22:45.19 | Kueken | or use the random field in the damage effect ^^ |
| 22:45.32 | timecat | blizz needs to allow us to use functions in the data editor |
| 22:45.37 | Aelie | oh |
| 22:45.40 | Aelie | i see it now |
| 22:46.18 | Aelie | so.. what is this number |
| 22:46.27 | Aelie | if i put in 15 as the damage and 5 as random |
| 22:46.33 | Aelie | is it 10-20? |
| 22:46.36 | Kueken | you have 15-20 |
| 22:46.41 | Aelie | ah |
| 22:46.44 | Aelie | ok~ |
| 22:47.07 | Kueken | also, the ui information eventually bugs out |
| 22:47.12 | Aelie | ? |
| 22:47.25 | Kueken | it shows only minimal damage |
| 22:47.31 | Aelie | i see.. |
| 22:47.37 | Kueken | until you hover the mouse over the weapon icon |
| 22:47.46 | Aelie | so should i just pick the middle and be done with it? |
| 22:48.00 | Kueken | up to you |
| 22:48.07 | Aelie | i dont want it to bug out |
| 22:48.22 | Kueken | well, if you hover the mouse over the weapon icon |
| 22:48.29 | Kueken | you see the correct damage range |
| 22:48.34 | Aelie | yeah well |
| 22:48.38 | Aelie | thats not good enough for me |
| 22:48.39 | Aelie | :) |
| 22:48.44 | Kueken | :) |
| 22:48.59 | Kueken | thats |
| 22:49.02 | Kueken | for heroes |
| 22:49.03 | Aelie | i suppose i have impossibly high standards for it |
| 22:49.04 | Kueken | btw |
| 22:49.17 | Kueken | units dont show the number if not hovered |
| 22:49.25 | Aelie | oh |
| 22:49.51 | timecat | gaaah |
| 22:49.53 | timecat | how the fuck do i do this |
| 22:49.58 | Aelie | maybe i should change the towers to heroes :p |
| 22:51.34 | AppleOTemp | I dont even know what im doing anymore |
| 22:51.53 | Kueken | perfect |
| 22:51.55 | Kueken | :) |
| 22:52.17 | timecat | how do i change the button when i level up a skill |
| 22:52.49 | Kueken | timecat: I just remembered, skills have a field for this |
| 22:52.59 | Kueken | a level up button |
| 22:53.13 | timecat | wut |
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| 22:53.17 | Kueken | that is, if you are using a standard learn ability |
| 22:53.37 | Kueken | let me look it up... |
| 22:53.45 | timecat | yea i am |
| 22:54.20 | AppleOTemp | people wanted jump so im making a system that allows players to jump ontop of every roof , doodad, and everything in the game as a copletly 3d Pathing system with physics... The Fuck Am I Doing |
| 22:54.21 | Kueken | Command Card - Level Button - Image |
| 22:54.38 | Kueken | just add new icons for each level |
| 22:54.45 | timecat | ok thats a new icon |
| 22:54.49 | timecat | i want to change the tooltip |
| 22:54.57 | Kueken | and the other 2 fields can do that ^^ |
| 22:54.59 | timecat | oh |
| 22:55.02 | timecat | there's a field for that |
| 22:55.02 | timecat | lol ok |
| 22:55.15 | Aelie | god creating one building takes forever |
| 22:55.23 | Kueken | note that the first value you enter there |
| 22:55.25 | timecat | aelie: what are you making? |
| 22:55.29 | Kueken | will be for lvl 2 of the spell |
| 22:55.30 | Aelie | a td |
| 22:55.32 | Aelie | >_> |
| 22:55.33 | timecat | o god |
| 22:55.34 | timecat | don't |
| 22:55.38 | Kueken | lvl 1 uses the actual button |
| 22:55.40 | Aelie | lol |
| 22:55.41 | timecat | if you make a td from start to finish |
| 22:55.46 | timecat | you WILL lose 2 months of your life |
| 22:55.55 | Kueken | who cares? o_0 |
| 22:55.57 | Aelie | im not doing anything else |
| 22:55.58 | timecat | just to complete it |
| 22:56.00 | timecat | lol |
| 22:56.02 | Kueken | if you have fun doing it |
| 22:56.05 | timecat | ^ |
| 22:56.06 | timecat | its true |
| 22:56.13 | Aelie | but |
| 22:56.14 | timecat | thats how i was able to finish mine |
| 22:56.21 | timecat | my only suggestion |
| 22:56.27 | Aelie | does it really take this long to make one building |
| 22:56.30 | timecat | is to make sure you spend tons of time on every detail |
| 22:56.46 | timecat | never use the same model for anything |
| 22:56.47 | Kueken | you will become faster over time |
| 22:56.50 | Kueken | ... a little |
| 22:56.55 | Aelie | stil |
| 22:57.00 | Aelie | theres like 25 parts |
| 22:57.11 | timecat | well if you need help aelie lmk |
| 22:57.14 | Kueken | try to make heroes -.- |
| 22:57.19 | timecat | i'm probably the resident expert on TDs here |
| 22:57.24 | Aelie | i see |
| 22:57.27 | Kueken | and try to get away with less than 150 parts |
| 22:58.04 | Kueken | my entry for the creature contest had about 400+ actors, I think xD |
| 22:58.05 | Aelie | i feel like they might have gone a bit TOO far with options this time |
| 22:58.27 | Kueken | and timecat wants functions ;) |
| 22:58.34 | Kueken | well, its a compromise |
| 22:58.38 | Aelie | yeah |
| 22:59.03 | timecat | functions in the data editor would be godlike |
| 22:59.14 | Aelie | yeah but |
| 22:59.18 | Aelie | then they wouldnt be constants |
| 22:59.24 | Aelie | and that would be opening pandoras box |
| 22:59.28 | Kueken | some fields allow functions |
| 22:59.39 | Kueken | validators for example, or requirements |
| 22:59.43 | timecat | the more you can do in data editor the better |
| 22:59.50 | Aelie | just saying |
| 22:59.54 | timecat | it would increase performance |
| 23:00.02 | Aelie | i think it wouldnt |
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| 23:00.10 | Aelie | i think it would destroy performance |
| 23:00.20 | timecat | it would because stuff you have to do in the trigger editor right now could be done in the data editor |
| 23:00.43 | Kueken | if you would make the data editor be able to do more stuff, the overall performance of the data editorin general might decrease |
| 23:01.26 | Kueken | also, its not like the trigger editor is terribad. |
| 23:02.28 | timecat | eh i guess |
| 23:02.41 | RndmObjcts | anyone here made leaderboard from dialogs? if so is there a way to make it work like a leaderboard in the since that rows can be created for active players and never bigger than there are players in the round? |
| 23:02.56 | Kueken | sure |
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| 23:16.24 | timecat | sweet |
| 23:16.29 | timecat | totally got my new tooltips working |
| 23:19.04 | timecat | wish i could give a damage effect a cost |
| 23:23.24 | Kueken | you can use modify unit effects and validators to simulate costs |
| 23:23.31 | timecat | oh good point |
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| 23:30.30 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 23:30.38 | timecat | kueken: that won't work in my case |
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| 23:30.48 | timecat | the effect has a chance not to hit |
| 23:30.53 | Kueken | too bad ;) |
| 23:31.00 | timecat | jade what do you think |
| 23:31.05 | Kueken | use a set effect |
| 23:31.05 | JademusSreg | About? |
| 23:31.12 | timecat | i want to give an effect with a chance to hit an energy cost |
| 23:31.19 | Kueken | make that one chance based |
| 23:31.33 | Kueken | and add the damage and modify unit to that set |
| 23:31.37 | timecat | basically when the tower crits, it uses energy |
| 23:31.47 | timecat | oh the set chance based? |
| 23:31.52 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 23:31.55 | timecat | oh |
| 23:31.55 | timecat | derp |
| 23:32.00 | JademusSreg | I was about to say the same. |
| 23:32.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 23:33.59 | AppleOTempest | anyone here know anything about hight displacement |
| 23:34.11 | timecat | i've done a bit with it |
| 23:35.26 | timecat | hey jade: do you know how to apply a behavior when a hero learns a skill? |
| 23:36.44 | Kueken | could make a behavior using the ability level as a requirement |
| 23:36.53 | timecat | hmm ok |
| 23:36.54 | AppleOTempest | i have hight displacement turned off, hight smoothing turned off and when i stand on the edge of a cliff, the camera still goes super high up in the air like this |
| 23:36.56 | AppleOTempest | http://i.imgur.com/xTv2U.jpg |
| 23:37.04 | Kueken | or an ability applying the behavior nad issuing the learn order |
| 23:37.08 | Kueken | *and |
| 23:37.35 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 23:37.36 | AppleOTempest | srsly need to solve this |
| 23:37.52 | AppleOTempest | or figure out that it is not possible, at all, to solve |
| 23:38.24 | JademusSreg | timecat, I know they're adding an event for learn progress in 1.4. |
| 23:39.00 | Kueken | you can use the ability event for the learn ability |
| 23:39.23 | Kueken | I implied that you prefer a data solution ;) |
| 23:39.24 | timecat | hmm ok |
| 23:40.34 | JademusSreg | Apple, you could try detecting the presence of a wall and modify the camera distance in response. |
| 23:42.09 | timecat | is there a validator to compare ability level? |
| 23:42.20 | Kueken | a requirement can do that |
| 23:42.35 | timecat | i can't put a requirement on a behavior tho |
| 23:42.41 | Kueken | and validators can check requirements, or behaviors can use requirements directly |
| 23:42.47 | timecat | oh? |
| 23:42.49 | Kueken | yes you can |
| 23:42.57 | Kueken | behaviors have a requirement field ^^ |
| 23:43.01 | timecat | oh must have missed that field |
| 23:43.55 | Kueken | also, if your behavior is not supposed to be hidden, make sure to use the correct requirement settings |
| 23:44.08 | Kueken | there are requirement settings for show and use |
| 23:44.23 | timecat | yea |
| 23:49.49 | timecat | hmm not working |
| 23:50.14 | Kueken | thats pretty much standard ;) |
| 23:50.36 | timecat | i put the behavior on the unit in the data table |
| 23:50.52 | timecat | and set the use requirement to count ability critical strike completed at unit == 1 |
| 23:51.08 | timecat | will it still show the behavior even if it doesn't pass the requirements? |
| 23:51.17 | Kueken | like stated |
| 23:51.24 | Kueken | behaviors have a use and a show part |
| 23:51.32 | Kueken | which are handled independently |
| 23:51.46 | Kueken | if you ignore the show part the icon will still show up |
| 23:51.58 | timecat | but it won't be doing anything |
| 23:52.06 | Kueken | exactly |
| 23:52.10 | timecat | ah ok |
| 23:52.32 | Kueken | you can check that by adding some easily noticeable bonus to the behavior |
