| 00:00.02 | JademusSreg | That's all fine too. Stat tracking doesn't bother me, I just don't care about it. |
| 00:00.11 | JademusSreg | I'll implement it if I feel like it. =D |
| 00:00.32 | Nash|327 | pfft, it's not your map |
| 00:00.48 | Nash|327 | you are just an implementation tool |
| 00:00.55 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:07.22 | Nash|327 | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell |
| 00:07.33 | Nash|327 | specifically: http://theoatmeal.com/img/comics/design_hell/8.png |
| 00:08.44 | JademusSreg | Seen it. =D |
| 00:14.59 | Nash|327 | houndofbaskerville is your biggest illiterate fan |
| 00:18.30 | JademusSreg | He appears to be a non-native english speaker and perhaps schizophrenic. |
| 00:18.50 | JademusSreg | Such bizarre text formatting is indicative of a thought disorder. |
| 00:19.52 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 00:23.26 | Nash|327 | a lot of people have those |
| 00:44.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster Keyeszx (4c5f80de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.95.128.222) |
| 00:45.10 | JademusSreg | Interesting. I just noticed there is no native for destroying timers, and that type doesn't get automatically garbage collected when dereferenced. |
| 00:45.15 | Keyeszx | Which do you guys prefer? Lots of heroes with standard set of abilities or few heroes with multiple sets of abilities to allow for different roles |
| 00:46.13 | JademusSreg | What is a standard set of abilities? =D |
| 00:46.30 | Keyeszx | like a tank will have abilities that help him tank |
| 00:46.35 | Keyeszx | I don't know why I wrote it |
| 00:46.44 | Keyeszx | but basically set role for the hero |
| 00:46.50 | Keyeszx | instead of being able to choose the role |
| 00:47.15 | JademusSreg | Depends on the gameplay, I expect. Is this PvE coop or PvP? |
| 00:47.23 | Keyeszx | PvP |
| 00:47.30 | JademusSreg | Probably the former, then. |
| 00:47.46 | Keyeszx | so the first then? |
| 00:48.06 | JademusSreg | Yus. For each character a distinct role. |
| 00:48.19 | JademusSreg | Ideal setup for MOBA games. |
| 00:48.20 | Nash|327 | you can't have too much variation due to hard coded limits |
| 00:48.32 | Nash|327 | like command card button limit |
| 00:48.42 | Keyeszx | That can be taken care of with triggers can't it? |
| 00:48.47 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 00:48.48 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:49.03 | JademusSreg | Not unless you want 64 abilities, huge stacks of buttons, and just as many requirements. |
| 00:49.34 | Nash|327 | I just designed 9 classes with specific niches |
| 00:49.39 | Keyeszx | can't you just create the buttons and the abilities and use a dialog that when they select this spell when they level up it will add that spell to the command card? |
| 00:49.57 | JademusSreg | Good luck targeting with that, Key. =D |
| 00:50.07 | JademusSreg | You can't add spells to the command card. |
| 00:50.19 | Keyeszx | You can't add buttons to the command card? |
| 00:50.19 | JademusSreg | SC2 lacks the functionality in abilities that WC3 had. |
| 00:50.35 | JademusSreg | You can't add abilities or buttons. |
| 00:50.42 | JademusSreg | Not even with catalog natives, as I recall. |
| 00:50.58 | Keyeszx | They give me pratically nothing to work with i swear XD |
| 00:51.08 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:51.16 | Nash|327 | and due to learn ability/command card limits |
| 00:51.28 | Nash|327 | I settled for level 20 cap |
| 00:51.49 | Nash|327 | 9 heroes with different niches |
| 00:52.08 | Nash|327 | at level 20 they will have all skills, no mutually exclusive choices |
| 00:52.10 | Keyeszx | 9 heroes? isn't that small? is this pvp or pve? |
| 00:52.20 | Nash|327 | PvE |
| 00:53.02 | Nash|327 | 9 heroes with different niches, lots of custom icons, etc |
| 00:53.15 | Nash|327 | and 5 abilities + 1 passive |
| 00:53.22 | Keyeszx | I'm having trouble coming up with hero ideas |
| 00:53.25 | Nash|327 | that's a lot of work |
| 00:53.34 | Keyeszx | unique heroes |
| 00:53.38 | JademusSreg | Anyway, about timers, it's possible someone could make a bunch of them and hit some kind of limit. =\ |
| 00:53.52 | JademusSreg | Although hitting the dialog control limit seems morel ikely. |
| 00:53.56 | Nash|327 | and hard to design so it's not just same skill repeated on heroes |
| 00:55.23 | Keyeszx | whenever I think of a hero to make for a moba fantasy ideas come in instead of sci fi |
| 00:56.23 | Nash|327 | I based mine on SC2 |
| 01:21.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip68-6-118-107.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 01:31.11 | Mexa_ | Jademus, can't you use Catalogs to add abilities to a unit? |
| 01:58.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (~MexaEU@80.78.216.115) |
| 02:02.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Keyeszx (4c5f80de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.95.128.222) |
| 02:02.34 | Keyeszx | Hey guys just came back because I came up with an idea for a pvp hero. |
| 02:02.49 | Keyeszx | A hero who is like smeargle or whatever his name is and copies his opponent's move |
| 02:03.10 | Keyeszx | So like q would copy the opponent's q abilitie and w would copy the w ability and so on |
| 02:03.16 | Keyeszx | would be op right? |
| 02:05.59 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 02:07.02 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a pain to implement, for one thing. But besides that, your Ditto hero would be the most exploited hero. |
| 02:07.31 | JademusSreg | One of the main draws of MOBAs is leveraging tiny imbalances to greater total effect. |
| 02:07.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Agouti (~Agouti@203-219-97-25.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:07.58 | JademusSreg | Stack this item with this sequence of abilities and, boom, chase down anyone, or stun lock, or some such. |
| 02:08.40 | JademusSreg | And if you have a Ditto hero copying moves, you can be certain it will be exploited extensively. |
| 02:15.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frall (Frall@h-129-91.a212.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 02:16.55 | Keyeszx | You'd have to be a master to know which moves to copy though. Just copying hero A's Q and hero F's e and just randomly doing it might not work unless you know all the heroes |
| 02:20.39 | JademusSreg | Trust me, balance nightmare. |
| 02:20.44 | JademusSreg | But for it. =D |
| 02:20.48 | JademusSreg | It will be awesome. |
| 02:20.54 | JademusSreg | *But go for it |
| 02:21.18 | JademusSreg | Usually, you'ren ot dealing with a homogenous set of stats across all characters. |
| 02:22.10 | JademusSreg | Which means for good balance, a character's abilities are developed with those sets of traits in mind. |
| 02:22.51 | JademusSreg | Slap those abilities on a character with different traits, and they can be anything from completely useless to gamebreakingly powerful. |
| 02:26.19 | JademusSreg | Another way of expressing it is that abilities are not developed in a vaccuum. |
| 02:28.31 | Keyeszx | Is that why smeargle is op in pokemon? |
| 02:28.42 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 02:28.52 | JademusSreg | I haven't played Pokemon since Yellow. |
| 02:29.08 | JademusSreg | On a gameboy color, no less. |
| 02:29.31 | Keyeszx | Smeargle and wobbuffet are probably the highest tier pokemon from what I know |
| 02:34.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster cintiq_ (~cintiq@182-239-132-158.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 02:43.31 | Keyeszx | Would a game where the heroes use their own blood to fight be decent? |
| 02:43.38 | Keyeszx | Like every move uses blood instead of energy? |
| 02:43.53 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of Tides of Blood. |
| 02:43.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:44.15 | JademusSreg | But seriously, you'd use life to cast abilities? |
| 02:44.20 | JademusSreg | Neat mechanic. |
| 02:44.37 | JademusSreg | But if everyone does it, it wouldn't seem special. |
| 02:45.01 | JademusSreg | Having one character to do it would seem pretty cool. |
| 02:45.33 | Keyeszx | so like a blood mage? |
| 02:57.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster zerozeroeight11 (adb38c4e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.179.140.78) |
| 02:59.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster dojima (322e9647@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.46.150.71) |
| 03:03.34 | *** part/#sc2mapster Curt` (curt@2a02:d40:1:3::138) |
| 03:13.45 | Vailreth | maybe i should get back to working on my CnC style walks |
| 03:16.40 | Vailreth | walls* |
| 03:25.44 | Keyeszx | CnC? |
| 03:26.39 | Keyeszx | Which is more balanced? a gun that just hits the target or using a missile where the gun fires out a laser that actually has to hit the target |
| 03:27.40 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 03:36.29 | Reactorex | Bunnies. |
| 03:36.56 | JademusSreg | Damn lagomorphs. |
| 03:37.48 | Reactorex | What? You want lagomorphs? |
| 03:37.53 | Reactorex | Well, then, I'll give you lagomorphs: |
| 03:37.56 | Reactorex | FLYING MINT BUNNY. |
| 03:38.00 | Keyeszx | What's a lagomorph? |
| 03:38.53 | Keyeszx | Anyways I meant using an ability that uses an effect to apply damage or a launch missile with impact dealing the damage. Where the missile isn't super fast but isn't super slow but it'll be like a homing beacon. |
| 03:39.04 | Reactorex | The uneducated answer: something that makes you lag. |
| 03:39.09 | Reactorex | lag-o-morph. :D |
| 03:39.20 | Reactorex | The educated answer: isn't as fun as the uneducated one. |
| 03:39.46 | Reactorex | actually |
| 03:39.48 | Reactorex | I take that back |
| 03:41.05 | Reactorex | because with the educated answer, you get things like chocolate easter eggs, things like the nom nom bunny from that one youtube video, and the Fibonacci series, amongst others |
| 03:41.45 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:41.52 | Reactorex | Though that's pretty obscure. xD |
| 03:42.12 | Vailreth | yay i dont need any more abilities for my shooter hero .. |
| 03:42.21 | Reactorex | Vailreth: of course you do. |
| 03:42.38 | Vailreth | na |
| 03:42.45 | Reactorex | do you have a speeder bike where your shooter hops onto a motorcycle to get a speed boost to catch up with the enemy and snipe them? |
| 03:42.47 | Vailreth | five is plenty |
| 03:42.58 | JademusSreg | Key, neither one is intrinsically op, but in PVP, projectiles have greater tactical depth than instant hits. |
| 03:43.25 | JademusSreg | Something that takes time to hit is something than can be evaded in principle. |
| 03:43.58 | JademusSreg | (assuming your projectiles time out, as most standard projectiles in SC2 do) |
| 03:44.06 | Vailreth | eh my Shooter hero has an ability that has a buff with 100 charges that regenerate at 2 per second or one every half second... |
| 03:44.07 | Reactorex | If you have enough allied players to use the instant hits to kill someone immediately, that's effectively more powerful depending on the situation o.o |
| 03:44.26 | Reactorex | Vailreth: Then you don't have enough abilities! |
| 03:44.27 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:44.28 | Reactorex | :O |
| 03:44.46 | Vailreth | let see.. snipe, grenade, bunker drop |
| 03:45.00 | JademusSreg | So I think projectiles should be the rule, and instant hits should be the exception. |
| 03:45.21 | JademusSreg | At least where PvP is concerned. =D |
| 03:45.27 | Vailreth | er regenerative Ablative plating, and recoil supression stance |
| 03:45.48 | Reactorex | What about a tactical digging strategy where the shooter starts tunneling through the ground with his or her epic hands? |
| 03:45.52 | JademusSreg | If you want it to be exceptionally competitive, make skill-shots the rule. |
| 03:46.00 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:46.18 | JademusSreg | Heroes of New Digdug. |
| 03:46.21 | Reactorex | AND WHAT ABOUT THE WARTHOG? I mean, seriously! The warthog had hours upon hours of fun xD |
| 03:46.58 | Reactorex | Getinthecargetinthecargetintheca--- oh crap, sorry! Missed.. |
| 03:47.11 | Reactorex | Ally here has been run over. |
| 03:47.16 | JademusSreg | If only more contemporary FPS games had fully destructable environments. |
| 03:47.21 | Reactorex | xD |
| 03:47.34 | Reactorex | wait |
| 03:47.38 | Reactorex | MINECRAFT? |
| 03:47.43 | Reactorex | :P |
| 03:48.02 | JademusSreg | When I was but a lad, I'd hit the destructable limits on Red Faction. Then I threw it in the garbage. |
| 03:48.32 | Vailreth | ive nuked my self to bedrock on minecraft once |
| 03:48.44 | Vailreth | but that was with the industrualcraft mod |
| 03:49.21 | JademusSreg | Minecraft has plenty of robust building options. Too bad it isn't all that fun to play. |
| 03:49.34 | JademusSreg | If only the gameplay was more fun. |
| 03:50.29 | Vailreth | well the promised adverture mode may help |
| 03:56.32 | Keyeszx | What can I use to make some cool blood effects? |
| 03:56.36 | Keyeszx | like ability wise |
| 03:57.29 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean. Stuff like that is handled by actors. Also, sounds like you're doing fantasy magic stuff; how does that work with the sci fi assets? |
| 03:57.36 | JademusSreg | Gonna get modelers later? |
| 03:57.44 | JademusSreg | Or WoW models? |
| 03:57.58 | Keyeszx | I want to kind of mix the two together |
| 03:58.17 | Keyeszx | Well I've been watching this anime and I just felt like adding a blood user in |
| 03:59.36 | Keyeszx | Something like blades made of blood, like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh3TmloQ-AY&feature=related |
| 04:10.18 | oblisk | wtf? |
| 04:10.34 | oblisk | why is it what when I load up a map in the editor that I made |
| 04:10.41 | oblisk | it needs to download a dependency I never even loaded up |
| 04:10.48 | oblisk | I made my own mod and loaded that up... |
| 04:10.53 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:10.56 | oblisk | but the map is downloading a new dependency, why? |
| 04:11.06 | JademusSreg | And you'll need to log in every time to access it. |
| 04:11.10 | oblisk | yeah |
| 04:11.12 | oblisk | I've logged in |
| 04:11.19 | oblisk | but its download this "PRISMS 1.0' |
| 04:11.26 | oblisk | which is something I never used before |
| 04:11.28 | oblisk | and its taking forever |
| 04:11.39 | oblisk | why is my map thinking that it needs this? |
| 04:13.14 | oblisk | actually nevermind |
| 04:13.16 | oblisk | its the correct one |
| 04:13.21 | oblisk | but I dont know what it never finish downloading |
| 04:22.37 | JademusSreg | My goodness, time passes quickly. |
| 04:46.41 | Vailreth | i think i am one of the few who thinks david Tennant would have been the best Riddler in the new bat movie ... |
| 04:56.44 | Vailreth | man if i stay up all night and there is no episode of manga pulse i will be Angry... |
| 04:57.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frostwind (~fhbjsdbkj@ppp-68-91-34-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 04:57.31 | Vailreth | also im stating to wonder if my Regenerative Ablative Plating is too powerful |
| 05:00.19 | Frostwind | Anyone know what language blizzard is using here: http://blizzard.github.com/api-wow-docs/ |
| 05:05.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frostwind_ (~fhbjsdbkj@adsl-66-140-46-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 05:06.00 | Frostwind_ | Anyone know what language blizzard is using here: http://blizzard.github.com/api-wow-docs/ |
| 05:12.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mephs (~mephs@c-76-25-18-231.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 05:14.43 | Vailreth | looks like we have a bit of a troll in the forums at the momment this SC64isOP fellow or"girl" is rather rude so far and seems ignorant as well.. atleast to me. |
| 05:20.55 | Vailreth | i wonder how hard Blizzard kicked them selves in the butt for not releasing sc on ps and going for n64 instead |
| 05:32.17 | *** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (~Raziel@95.76.229.88) |
| 05:33.13 | Frostwind | 64 > 1 |
| 05:33.22 | Frostwind | sc64 > sc1 |
| 05:33.25 | Frostwind | lol |
| 05:33.51 | Frostwind | she/he/it said ""Fuck off" -Vexal" |
| 05:33.53 | Frostwind | lol |
| 05:34.10 | Frostwind | I say Troll |
| 05:34.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dekar (~Dekar@p4FCEB93B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:34.38 | Frostwind | so, Anyone know what language blizzard is using here: http://blizzard.github.com/api-wow-docs/ |
| 05:43.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Lilianna (~Lilianna@adsl-75-15-137-67.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:45.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip68-6-118-107.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 05:51.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster Lilianna (~Lilianna@adsl-75-15-137-67.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:59.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster gfever (40798ba3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.121.139.163) |
| 05:59.19 | gfever | hey i need testers for strikecraft |
| 05:59.24 | gfever | anyone free? |
| 05:59.57 | gfever | NA server |
| 06:06.42 | Frostwind | gfever: I would but i'm trying to figure out what language this is http://blizzard.github.com/api-wow-docs/ |
| 06:23.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster dojima (322e9647@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.46.150.71) |
| 06:26.49 | dojima | hey everyone, I'm trying to design an ability that causes a zealot to charge to multiple targets sequentially |
| 06:27.15 | dojima | but I don't know how to get the subsequent targets to be chosen after the first is hit |
| 06:27.33 | dojima | the charge targets the nearest target |
| 06:27.44 | dojima | has anyone done something similar to this? |
| 06:41.52 | Vailreth | if i recall correctly charge just adds a buff to the zealot. |
| 06:42.07 | Vailreth | you may be able to extend the length of that buff |
| 06:44.17 | Vailreth | or you could remove the minimum distance validator so the behavior stays active |
| 06:58.54 | dojima | yes, that works if the unit the zealot is attacking dies |
| 06:59.05 | dojima | but what I want it to do is abandon it's current target |
| 06:59.09 | dojima | after it hits it once |
| 06:59.25 | Agouti | a persistent could do it |
| 06:59.34 | Agouti | at the core you need a search |
| 06:59.44 | Agouti | and markers to stop it attacking the same target twice |
| 07:00.06 | dojima | so something like, add a behavior to the charging unit that marks the attacked unit |
| 07:00.16 | dojima | and make charge not target that unit? |
| 07:00.28 | Agouti | markers last for the entire effect tree |
| 07:00.37 | Agouti | so if you use a persistent it should be possible |
| 07:00.44 | dojima | what is a persistent? |
| 07:00.49 | dojima | can you point me to an example? |
| 07:01.02 | Agouti | the commonest example are weapons with 2 attacks |
| 07:01.09 | Agouti | banshee, reaper, etc |
| 07:01.14 | dojima | and zealot even |
| 07:01.18 | Agouti | tree enough |
| 07:01.20 | dojima | ok, I'll look |
| 07:01.21 | Agouti | true* |
| 07:01.46 | Agouti | the idea behind a persistent is it can do everything that a buff can, in terms of periodic effects |
| 07:02.05 | Agouti | another good example is the 330mm cannon barrage |
| 07:02.07 | Agouti | I think it is |
| 07:02.20 | Agouti | that uses the periodic offsets (which come in very handy) |
| 07:02.32 | dojima | ok, I think I understand |
| 07:02.40 | dojima | so how would this apply to the charge? |
| 07:03.12 | dojima | oh I got it |
| 07:03.12 | Agouti | hmmm |
| 07:03.17 | dojima | so the persistent would be |
| 07:03.30 | dojima | a search over all the units in the area |
| 07:03.34 | dojima | well range I guess |
| 07:03.43 | Agouti | target sort by range |
| 07:03.47 | Agouti | I suppose |
| 07:03.57 | Agouti | I'm just trying to think how it would work, now you mention it |
| 07:04.02 | dojima | hmm |
| 07:04.13 | dojima | thanks, I'll work on it some more too |
| 07:04.14 | Agouti | maybe |
| 07:04.19 | Agouti | a buff on the charging zlot |
| 07:04.30 | Agouti | which is disabled by charging, with periodic effects |
| 07:04.37 | Agouti | which look for a new target |
| 07:04.47 | Agouti | with a minimum range |
| 07:04.53 | Agouti | to stop it re-charging the same target |
| 07:04.59 | dojima | or even modify the weapon |
| 07:05.03 | dojima | to turn the buff off on attack |
| 07:05.11 | dojima | yea that's a good idea |
| 07:05.12 | Agouti | well actually speaking |
| 07:05.20 | Agouti | that would be a better way again |
| 07:05.26 | Agouti | have a dummy buff for charging |
| 07:05.37 | Agouti | then modify the weapon |
| 07:05.40 | Agouti | so it's a periodic |
| 07:05.47 | Agouti | similar to how it is now |
| 07:06.00 | Agouti | except with an extra period effect which makes it charge a new target |
| 07:06.22 | dojima | ok, I got it |
| 07:06.29 | Agouti | if you want it to charge say 5 targets |
| 07:06.31 | Agouti | you could apply the dummy buff 5 times |
| 07:06.37 | Agouti | then remove one for each target you charge |
| 07:06.45 | dojima | yea, good idea |
| 07:06.59 | dojima | the way I had it before was time based |
| 07:07.04 | dojima | but this is better |
| 07:07.11 | dojima | thanks a lot |
| 07:07.17 | Agouti | hmm |
| 07:07.31 | Agouti | yet another way is having the charge as a hidden autocast ability |
| 07:07.44 | dojima | haha, I tried that first |
| 07:07.47 | Agouti | again using the validator on a dummy behaviour |
| 07:07.57 | dojima | but the same problem as the first happens |
| 07:08.00 | dojima | with the targetting |
| 07:08.11 | dojima | yea you'd need the behavior check |
| 07:08.23 | Agouti | so the autocast validators would be (caster has buff|caster not charging|has charging dummy buff) |
| 07:08.31 | Agouti | er |
| 07:08.43 | Agouti | sorry, I put the same one in twice |
| 07:08.58 | Agouti | I don |
| 07:09.09 | Agouti | I don't think you could use markers for stopping it recharge a target |
| 07:09.15 | Agouti | that would still be a problem |
| 07:09.16 | Vailreth | i think i see another way.... |
| 07:09.30 | dojima | go on :) |
| 07:10.57 | Vailreth | you could change the charging behavior so that when the zealot attacks a target a buff is placed on them. then the charge ability would have an aditional validator that its target can not have the applied behavior.. |
| 07:11.28 | dojima | yea, and use the same method for the multiple as before |
| 07:11.35 | dojima | I thought that's what agouti meant |
| 07:11.51 | Agouti | well |
| 07:11.52 | dojima | ok, thanks guys |
| 07:11.56 | Agouti | the problem with that |
| 07:12.08 | Agouti | is that it will break other charging zlots |
| 07:12.22 | dojima | hmmmmm |
| 07:12.37 | dojima | you are correct :( |
| 07:12.56 | Vailreth | true i didnt realize this was for a multiple instance unit |
| 07:13.32 | Agouti | you could make it so it will only search in an arc infront of the zlot |
| 07:13.37 | Agouti | with a minimum range |
| 07:13.45 | Agouti | so it won't bounce back and forth |
| 07:14.00 | Agouti | really, just exclude 90 degrees behind it would do the trick |
| 07:14.09 | dojima | ok |
| 07:14.18 | Agouti | anyway as interesting as your problem is I must depatr |
| 07:14.28 | dojima | thanks a lot for the help |
| 07:14.29 | Agouti | best of luck :) |
| 07:14.32 | dojima | I'll go implement now |
| 07:26.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210) |
| 07:33.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sevenix (pheonix@c-83-233-145-19.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 07:54.25 | Frostwind | Anyone know what language blizzard is using here: http://blizzard.github.com/api-wow-docs/ |
| 07:54.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster Statharas (~Statharas@ppp-94-67-150-145.home.otenet.gr) |
| 07:54.48 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blub\w (~blub@93.83.4.189) |
| 08:20.51 | Vailreth | any body alive or awake? |
| 08:22.03 | Reactorex | of course |
| 08:22.04 | Reactorex | but barely |
| 08:22.31 | Reactorex | MS visual c++ decided to stop responding |
| 08:22.33 | Reactorex | >.> |
| 08:23.15 | Vailreth | um Ouch? |
| 08:24.01 | Vailreth | i find my self being more helpful in the wake of this troll sc64IsOP.... than i normally am.. |
| 08:26.13 | Reactorex | sc64isOP? |
| 08:26.15 | Reactorex | who's that? |
| 08:26.40 | Vailreth | yeah i hope there was a back up of the galaxy wiki main page i think he or she just replaced it with protoss is op |
| 08:26.59 | Currydevil | i'm alive. |
| 08:27.02 | Reactorex | isn't there a revisions list for pages? |
| 08:27.44 | Vailreth | dont know but |
| 08:27.56 | Vailreth | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/main-page/ |
| 08:29.55 | Reactorex | yeah |
| 08:29.57 | Reactorex | click History |
| 08:30.36 | Vailreth | ah |
| 08:30.46 | Vailreth | should it be easy to revert? |
| 08:30.49 | Reactorex | his/her damage is nonexistent and useless. |
| 08:30.59 | Reactorex | should be incredibly easy. |
| 08:31.22 | Reactorex | some software actaully has an option to entirely revert an update |
| 08:31.30 | Reactorex | probably have to copy and paste the code on this one |
| 08:31.39 | Reactorex | but that's just copy and paste |
| 08:31.46 | Reactorex | we're familiar with that as coders, rite? |
| 08:31.51 | Reactorex | :P |
| 08:31.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shadow_Killer (tekoppar@c-2491e455.45-2102-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 08:32.09 | Vailreth | er i am an artist |
| 08:32.15 | Reactorex | well |
| 08:32.16 | Reactorex | okay |
| 08:32.21 | Reactorex | STILL |
| 08:32.21 | Vailreth | by trade and training >.> |
| 08:32.22 | Reactorex | :P |
| 08:32.34 | Vailreth | =p |
| 08:32.43 | Reactorex | chibi art? |
| 08:32.57 | Vailreth | no concepts for ugly things |
| 08:33.09 | Vailreth | and some photo manipulation |
| 08:33.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster harl (harl@dslb-088-077-195-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:33.27 | Vailreth | robots and monsters mainly |
| 08:34.05 | Vailreth | man that guy loves to necropost... |
| 08:34.40 | Vailreth | prozaic is going to be busy tonight with this guy |
| 08:36.00 | Vailreth | but i do also write prose not code |
| 08:36.31 | JademusSreg | Not a very effective troll. |
| 08:36.47 | JademusSreg | Just seems silly. |
| 08:37.27 | Vailreth | yes but the giving of bad advice irks me ... |
| 08:37.45 | JademusSreg | Such as delete GameData folder? |
| 08:38.23 | Vailreth | not so much that one as much as the one about using a set and five persistents ... |
| 08:39.47 | JademusSreg | Sleep time. |
| 08:39.50 | Vailreth | the one about deleting GameData is just a harsh lesson some people will have to learn... but i feel bad for not posting about that |
| 08:39.54 | Vailreth | later |
| 08:40.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster Apple4 (4b499882@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.73.152.130) |
| 08:41.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@ip72-201-114-36.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 08:43.12 | Apple4 | hey do you guys know if there is any way to make any kind of 3d search in the data editor that isnt "same cliff level"? |
| 08:46.58 | Currydevil | not I sorry. |
| 08:53.06 | Vailreth | not sure, what effect do you want to achieve Apple? |
| 08:54.53 | Apple4 | I was just wondering if anyone had anything to say to that to see if it was really a data limitation, just a 3D emp shot i made , but using any data editor impact search area effect for my emp, would make the effect 2d |
| 08:56.36 | Vailreth | i think most things are based on ground level and by extension cliff level |
| 09:02.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster shintah (bebble@h-81-24.a155.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 09:04.15 | Vailreth | i need sleep the characters in the chat are starting to line dance |
| 09:10.17 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 09:10.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zanryu (~zanryu133@dslb-178-008-042-230.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:13.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster harl (harl@dslb-088-077-195-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:13.29 | harl | wuff |
| 09:23.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (~MexaEU@80.78.216.115) |
| 09:27.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frall (Frall@h-170-37.a212.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 09:37.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa_ (~MexaEU@80.78.216.115) |
| 09:40.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (31NAATIDC@ppp118-209-37-117.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 09:43.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@182-239-132-158.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 10:27.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zanryu (~zanryu133@dslb-178-008-042-230.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:35.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster GePanda (4d636453@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.99.100.83) |
| 10:44.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zanryu (~zanryu133@dslb-088-075-177-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:47.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Statharas (~Statharas@ppp-94-67-146-205.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:28.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster Xaragoth (~name@p5DCC1579.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:28.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (~Raziel@95.76.229.88) |
| 11:29.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mograth (~name@p5DCC1579.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:49.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Nash|327 (~nn@81-234-225-23-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 12:55.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster whoopsama (55e4f7f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.228.247.242) |
| 12:56.18 | whoopsama | Hi,. any1 have suggestion how to make units being able to "drive" over other units ala c&c? : p |
| 12:57.54 | Currydevil | look at the thor |
| 12:58.08 | Currydevil | it has a behavior to kill small/light units under it's feet |
| 13:08.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zanryu (~zanryu133@dslb-088-075-057-252.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:25.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (31NAATIDC@ppp118-209-22-233.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 13:42.24 | Stewox | hello |
| 13:42.33 | Stewox | anyone knows C# and win forms here ? |
| 13:42.42 | Currydevil | nooo, you keep asking =O |
| 13:48.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX` (~Nikolaj.M@188.176.196.178) |
| 13:52.27 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (~MexaEU@80.78.216.115) |
| 14:12.46 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 14:12.51 | JademusSreg | whoopsama, yes. |
| 14:13.07 | JademusSreg | I know a way it could be done. |
| 14:13.20 | whoopsama | ye? |
| 14:13.21 | whoopsama | . D |
| 14:15.08 | JademusSreg | Moderately simple. |
| 14:16.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@p57903CF5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:17.03 | JademusSreg | You give the unit capable of crushing others (henceforth known as Crusher) a behavior with a periodic effect set to Search Area, give it a validator that checks for unit type or some such, and give the validator the Kill effect. |
| 14:17.22 | JademusSreg | Make sense? |
| 14:18.01 | RipperRoo | nope :S |
| 14:18.14 | JademusSreg | Not you silly. |
| 14:18.46 | whoopsama | oki |
| 14:18.49 | whoopsama | i will try it out |
| 14:19.55 | RipperRoo | i am silly ? =( |
| 14:20.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:20.44 | JademusSreg | There are two kinds of silly. |
| 14:20.54 | JademusSreg | You're the good silly in the instance. |
| 14:21.21 | JademusSreg | The good silly is being refered to as silly in an endearing capacity. |
| 14:22.26 | JademusSreg | The bad silly is the only polite way of expressing utter exasperation with a person's vast intellectual deficit. |
| 14:23.38 | RipperRoo | lol thank you i feel honored :D |
| 14:27.48 | JademusSreg | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110813.gif |
| 14:28.01 | JademusSreg | That comic is also silly in an endearing capacity. |
| 14:28.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hati-Laptop (~Hati@vpnsh0231.fh-trier.de) |
| 14:29.44 | Nash|327 | only 800 hours to beat nexus wars |
| 14:29.45 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 14:30.14 | RipperRoo | okay jade i got it i think :P |
| 14:30.19 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:30.29 | RipperRoo | u mean.. i am dumb =(((( xDD |
| 14:30.34 | JademusSreg | No, haha. |
| 14:30.39 | RipperRoo | hehe was kidding |
| 14:31.06 | JademusSreg | pewz |
| 14:32.05 | Mexa | MTHERFKICN COFFE IS ALL OVER THE FLOOR =_________= |
| 14:32.59 | Mexa | *coffee :( |
| 14:33.58 | JademusSreg | Awww. |
| 14:34.41 | RipperRoo | mexa thats not good, but i had a car crash yesterday so i won the bad luck contest ? D |
| 14:36.44 | JademusSreg | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110722.gif |
| 14:41.47 | Mexa | :o |
| 14:43.05 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpl0UDKY-vw |
| 14:43.09 | HP-X|Arthas | Thar ya go! |
| 14:43.17 | HP-X|Arthas | YOUR MIND WILL BE BLOWN |
| 14:44.39 | JademusSreg | Pretty good production value. |
| 14:44.52 | HP-X|Arthas | loopin |
| 14:45.08 | HP-X|Arthas | JademusSreg: you dont happen to have a a 3ds |
| 14:45.11 | HP-X|Arthas | -a |
| 14:48.09 | MindWorX` | That's a crazy song |
| 14:49.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shadow_Killer (tekoppar@c-2491e455.45-2102-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 14:51.51 | MindWorX` | Why can't I stop replaying it? |
| 14:51.58 | HP-X|Arthas | MindWorX`: i dont know |
| 14:52.01 | HP-X|Arthas | still looping it here |
| 14:52.07 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUX9ja5ZY6M&list=FLiCt8BhlAA3Q&index=2 |
| 14:52.11 | HP-X|Arthas | that one is neat too |
| 14:53.00 | MindWorX` | This is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY |
| 14:53.00 | MindWorX` | :D |
| 14:53.36 | HP-X|Arthas | haha |
| 14:53.44 | HP-X|Arthas | lonely island :D |
| 14:53.59 | HP-X|Arthas | cinemaphile |
| 14:54.15 | HP-X|Arthas | the scarface part is spot on! |
| 14:54.49 | JademusSreg | Hm, nope. I don't do mobile. |
| 14:55.04 | Mexa | So old by now, yet great |
| 14:55.48 | HP-X|Arthas | weird al even older yet still epic |
| 14:56.09 | Mexa | :p |
| 14:57.36 | MindWorX` | I still have no idea how Lonely Island get big stars in their idiotic songs :P |
| 14:57.47 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 14:58.00 | MindWorX` | Like "I Just Had Sex", with Akon and Jessica Alba :P |
| 14:58.18 | HP-X|Arthas | alba is overrated and not especially big :p |
| 14:58.24 | MindWorX` | I like her :D |
| 14:58.25 | HP-X|Arthas | what has she done? |
| 14:58.32 | HP-X|Arthas | dark angel and sin city |
| 14:58.33 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 14:58.51 | MindWorX` | Rise of the Silver Surver :P |
| 14:59.03 | HP-X|Arthas | ty, you made me laugh :D |
| 14:59.04 | MindWorX` | Surfer* |
| 14:59.15 | HP-X|Arthas | i actually turned that movieoff :p |
| 14:59.24 | MindWorX` | Ohh, and Idle Hands :D Most awesome movie ever :P |
| 14:59.51 | MindWorX` | Also, a persons star-status doesn't depend on weather you like their movies ;) |
| 15:00.40 | HP-X|Arthas | well |
| 15:00.45 | HP-X|Arthas | does she really have a star status? |
| 15:17.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 15:57.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hati-Laptop (kvirc@dslb-088-074-130-254.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:57.09 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Hati-Laptop] by ChanServ |
| 15:59.33 | Mexa | Going to another devday |
| 15:59.36 | Mexa | Seeya laters |
| 15:59.41 | MindWorX` | DAMN YOU |
| 15:59.46 | Mexa | ;P |
| 16:00.02 | Mexa | Mindy, I've been doing this for about a week now :) |
| 16:00.09 | MindWorX` | DAMN! YOU! |
| 16:00.15 | Mexa | :P |
| 16:00.29 | Mexa | But we're only 3 people as of current, nothing big! |
| 16:00.36 | MindWorX` | Still |
| 16:00.41 | MindWorX` | I don't even know any devs around here :P |
| 16:00.44 | MindWorX` | All my friends are idiots |
| 16:00.45 | MindWorX` | :D |
| 16:00.46 | Mexa | :D |
| 16:00.52 | MindWorX` | Just don't tell 'em that xD |
| 16:01.08 | Mexa | np, I don't know who what where they are anyways ;P |
| 16:01.22 | MindWorX` | ;) |
| 16:01.26 | MindWorX` | Have fun at your devlan |
| 16:01.27 | MindWorX` | bitch |
| 16:01.36 | Mexa | Oh no you didn't |
| 16:02.04 | Mexa | I'll be here again in about 30 min I think, but probably idling |
| 16:02.10 | MindWorX` | :P |
| 16:02.12 | MindWorX` | Cya |
| 16:02.14 | Mexa | (Tho, I'm idling anyways) |
| 16:02.16 | Mexa | Seeya |
| 16:07.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frall (Frall@h-170-37.a212.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 16:08.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frall^ (Frall@h-170-37.a212.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 16:14.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shadow_Killer (tekoppar@c-2491e455.45-2102-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:30.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shadow_Killer (tekoppar@c-2491e455.45-2102-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:40.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (~MexaEU@c-83-233-58-176.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 16:40.49 | Mexa|dev | Hello |
| 16:40.57 | MindWorX` | :P |
| 17:01.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thels (~gamebot@ip3e83cdbc.speed.planet.nl) |
| 17:07.51 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:10.45 | Mexa|dev | Jademüsli, what's so funny? |
| 17:11.11 | JademusSreg | You and Mindy. |
| 17:11.23 | RipperRoo | he is still laughing about some guy and his coffe on the floor |
| 17:11.25 | RipperRoo | :D |
| 17:11.31 | Mexa|dev | .-. |
| 17:12.04 | Mexa|dev | I wiped that up - damage neglected :D |
| 17:12.47 | Mexa|dev | or I mean, negated? |
| 17:12.55 | Mexa|dev | herpderp |
| 17:13.34 | RipperRoo | hehe |
| 17:13.42 | RipperRoo | hey mexa u are the smashcraft guy right? 0o |
| 17:13.50 | Mexa|dev | Nope |
| 17:13.55 | Mexa|dev | That would be Mephs. |
| 17:13.56 | RipperRoo | oh ok^^ |
| 17:14.06 | RipperRoo | ah right sorry .. i just remembered an M :S |
| 17:14.41 | Mexa|dev | No problemo. |
| 17:15.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster GePanda (4d636453@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.99.100.83) |
| 17:23.37 | MindWorX` | Ohh, getting compared to Mephs... Buuuuuurned! |
| 17:23.39 | MindWorX` | Ahaha |
| 17:28.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vailreth (~Vailreth@75.108.215.142) |
| 17:28.36 | Mexa|dev | ._. |
| 17:28.53 | Mexa|dev | Nothing more than the name. |
| 17:29.01 | Vailreth | well thats a fine how do you do |
| 17:29.12 | Mexa|dev | hello |
| 17:29.24 | Vailreth | hello :P |
| 17:29.33 | Vailreth | whats nothing more than the name? |
| 17:30.04 | Mexa|dev | comparisons of my name and mephs name |
| 17:30.13 | Mexa|dev | something something.. |
| 17:30.16 | Vailreth | ah |
| 17:32.51 | Vailreth | its time for funny music news didididi di di di something something something |
| 17:35.47 | Mexa|dev | something something darkside. |
| 17:38.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hati-Laptop (kvirc@dslb-088-074-130-254.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:08.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster allenmelon (~amin@pool-173-60-170-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:16.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frostwind (~fhbjsdbkj@adsl-66-140-46-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 18:16.15 | Frostwind | Anyone know what language blizzard is using here: http://blizzard.github.com/api-wow-docs/ |
| 18:16.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frall (Frall@h-170-37.a212.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 18:17.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frall^ (Frall@h-170-37.a212.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 18:17.18 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Hati-Laptop] by ChanServ |
| 18:17.43 | Hati-Laptop | Frostwind: for what? |
| 18:17.47 | Hati-Laptop | creating the pageß |
| 18:18.12 | Frostwind | look at the code found in various sections on the page |
| 18:18.29 | Frostwind | like the samples |
| 18:19.37 | Hati-Laptop | it's just pseudo-code mostly |
| 18:20.02 | Hati-Laptop | plus, some explanations where data is stored |
| 18:20.06 | Hati-Laptop | and how |
| 18:20.48 | Hati-Laptop | http://blizzard.github.com/api-wow-docs/#id3745585 |
| 18:21.52 | Frostwind | that doesn't tell how to use it |
| 18:22.28 | Hati-Laptop | no |
| 18:22.35 | Hati-Laptop | but it explains that data is stored in JSON |
| 18:24.16 | RndmObjcts | STUPID TRIGGERRRRRSSSSS argh |
| 18:27.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip98-185-253-55.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 18:29.10 | Vailreth | thats what i am saying at the momment |
| 18:29.41 | Vailreth | stupid triggers i mean |
| 18:31.17 | Frostwind | but which language is this JSON for? C, C++, C#, Basic, Python, Ruby, what? |
| 18:32.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster Quelor (~Quelor@d90-142-131-147.cust.tele2.se) |
| 18:33.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip98-185-253-55.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 18:33.49 | Vailreth | i am starting to think blizzard is intentionally introducing bugs into the editor so that when hots comes around they can say no the editors are too bubby we wont be supporting modding anymore |
| 18:35.47 | Hati-Laptop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nySw9B9Ph3E |
| 18:36.20 | RndmObjcts | i have two different flag modes, one for a one flag ctf and another for a two flag ctf.. the one flag functions work.. it works completely... everything its ment to do works.. but when the game is set to 2 flags... the flags spawn but thats it.. none of my triggers fire when they are suppose to.. or at all.. and both of the 2 flags have the same setup as the one flag.. their own regions and conditions and everything the same.. |
| 18:37.00 | Frostwind | nice, no answer to my question |
| 18:38.46 | Hati-Laptop | Frostwind: JSON is a file format |
| 18:38.56 | Hati-Laptop | you can read it with whatever you want |
| 18:38.57 | Frostwind | but which language is this JSON for? C, C++, C#, Basic, Python, Ruby, what? |
| 18:39.04 | Hati-Laptop | its just like .txt |
| 18:39.44 | Hati-Laptop | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON |
| 18:40.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster DarlD (~DarlD@modemcable050.123-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 18:40.05 | DarlD | Hello Everyone! |
| 18:40.11 | Frostwind | I just need to know which language it is for |
| 18:40.17 | Hati-Laptop | I just said |
| 18:40.32 | DarlD | I've got a question for anyone with cinematics experience. |
| 18:41.04 | DarlD | Would it be possible to make an action scene like in god of war within sc2. Say during a boss fight. |
| 18:41.07 | Frostwind | you only said its a file format |
| 18:42.01 | RndmObjcts | [14:38] <+Hati-Laptop> you can read it with whatever you want |
| 18:42.40 | Frostwind | you can't read the same code by every language. |
| 18:42.47 | Frostwind | only certain ones |
| 18:42.59 | Frostwind | or maybe even just a single one |
| 18:43.01 | RndmObjcts | I R Hate Triggers. QQ. |
| 18:45.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster UloseTheGame (ad021cd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.2.28.217) |
| 18:45.51 | Mexa|dev | JSON means JavaScript Object Notation, so I assume it is for JavaScript. |
| 18:45.52 | UloseTheGame | the new race idea sucks :\ |
| 18:46.05 | UloseTheGame | people are so unimaginative |
| 18:46.18 | UloseTheGame | Jade, are you here? |
| 18:46.23 | UloseTheGame | i has an idea |
| 18:46.27 | UloseTheGame | and wants to share |
| 18:46.32 | UloseTheGame | thoughts plz |
| 18:48.24 | UloseTheGame | guess not :( |
| 18:48.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster peeeq (~Peter@95-89-152-205-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 18:50.25 | UloseTheGame | not like that peeeq guy |
| 18:50.28 | UloseTheGame | he's a dick |
| 18:51.37 | peeeq | :/ |
| 18:52.30 | RipperRoo | noone likes ulose so u he got mad :8 |
| 18:52.33 | RipperRoo | true story |
| 18:53.42 | Vailreth | yeah Ulose i though the basic premise of the race was a bit cliche and unimaginative... |
| 19:07.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster avogatro (~avogatro@nat-wh-hadi.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 19:07.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip98-185-253-55.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 19:18.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-67-114-201.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 19:20.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ousnius (4e2bc54f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.43.197.79) |
| 19:21.09 | Shadow_Killer | Owen, you there? =D |
| 19:21.25 | Ousnius | hey...I've got a question |
| 19:21.40 | Ousnius | is it possible to import a very big mesh into sc2 |
| 19:21.50 | Ousnius | and use it as a terrain "model" ? |
| 19:21.58 | Shadow_Killer | Yes. |
| 19:22.02 | Ousnius | with untis being able to walk on it? |
| 19:22.02 | UloseTheGame | Vailreth |
| 19:22.08 | Ousnius | units* |
| 19:22.11 | Vailreth | yes? |
| 19:22.11 | UloseTheGame | im doing something awesome right now |
| 19:22.16 | Shadow_Killer | Well as long as the terrain beneath it matches the mesh sure. |
| 19:22.36 | Shadow_Killer | So far there is no way to allow units to walk on custom meshes without using existing bridges. |
| 19:22.43 | UloseTheGame | im copying over the exact custom trigger library blizzard used to create their gui |
| 19:22.46 | UloseTheGame | manually |
| 19:22.54 | UloseTheGame | so i learn how to make my own triggers |
| 19:22.59 | Vailreth | i see |
| 19:23.25 | UloseTheGame | im 2% in right now :) |
| 19:23.37 | UloseTheGame | but it's gonna be awesome when im done |
| 19:23.50 | Vailreth | good luck, and god speed |
| 19:24.50 | UloseTheGame | lolol :) |
| 19:25.19 | UloseTheGame | who knows? this custom trigger knowledge might put me far ahead of everyone else |
| 19:25.28 | Vailreth | maybe |
| 19:25.30 | UloseTheGame | i certainly dont |
| 19:25.51 | UloseTheGame | I will the knowledge i have gained with all of you |
| 19:26.00 | UloseTheGame | for now, i have to pm OneTwo |
| 19:26.11 | UloseTheGame | i want him to make a tutorial for this shit |
| 19:26.40 | UloseTheGame | has he made any new tutorials lately? |
| 19:30.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster Fenix (461ab9ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.26.185.239) |
| 19:30.33 | Fenix | Heyhey |
| 19:31.05 | Fenix | I got few problems, someone wants to help me? :P |
| 19:31.45 | Shadow_Killer | Tell your problems instead of asking if anyone wants to help you. |
| 19:31.54 | Fenix | Starting by Creep Tumor prevent a player from losing... like if it count as a building. "It is" but, in normal games it doesn't prevent death. |
| 19:32.27 | Fenix | someone said to uncheck "Prevent defeat" in the units flag, but it is not checked |
| 19:34.16 | Fenix | so I was working around to find a way to know if the Player commands only Creep Tumor then defeat but... I don't exacly how to do xD |
| 19:36.39 | UloseTheGame | eh...wut? |
| 19:37.06 | Fenix | creep tumor count like if it was a normal building |
| 19:37.14 | Fenix | and it prevents a player from dieing |
| 19:37.15 | UloseTheGame | oh |
| 19:37.32 | UloseTheGame | check all the flags |
| 19:37.38 | UloseTheGame | i mean |
| 19:37.45 | UloseTheGame | look at all the flags |
| 19:38.11 | UloseTheGame | and see which ones would make sense to make the tumor prevent the person from defeat :) |
| 19:38.23 | UloseTheGame | logic ftw! |
| 19:38.49 | Vailreth | later folks |
| 19:39.11 | Vailreth | and Fenix you would want to have the Prevent Defeat flag active |
| 19:39.13 | Fenix | The Creep Tumor (burrowed) got Prevent Destroy |
| 19:39.30 | Fenix | i want it active? |
| 19:40.10 | Fenix | what does Prevent destroy? |
| 19:40.24 | Vailreth | not sure.. |
| 19:41.06 | Vailreth | any way i have to go grab a bite to eat so i will be back in afew |
| 19:41.15 | Fenix | ok =) |
| 19:41.17 | Fenix | ill do a few test |
| 19:41.20 | Fenix | with the flags |
| 19:41.25 | Fenix | and hope |
| 19:41.26 | Fenix | xD |
| 20:00.31 | Fenix | So back to my creep tumors... flags change nothing. Prenvent defeat, checked or not, no matter. But, when the attribute 'Structure' is uncheck, it counts as a units and then we can lose. |
| 20:03.28 | Fenix | but this mean creep tumor could be hit by some speel like storm.... |
| 20:03.39 | Fenix | spell |
| 20:11.01 | Vailreth | back folks |
| 20:20.08 | Fenix | k |
| 20:20.30 | Fenix | so only the Structure attribute change something |
| 20:21.17 | Fenix | someone on the forum said me to try changeing the depedency order or somethings like that, but nothing special. |
| 20:22.44 | UloseTheGame | Vail |
| 20:22.52 | tampa1adam | yes? |
| 20:23.20 | UloseTheGame | was i talking to you? |
| 20:23.26 | tampa1adam | no. |
| 20:23.46 | UloseTheGame | okay vail |
| 20:23.56 | UloseTheGame | you there? |
| 20:24.04 | tampa1adam | yes? |
| 20:24.07 | UloseTheGame | basically, im having the idea |
| 20:24.29 | UloseTheGame | of making genre specific triggers |
| 20:24.34 | UloseTheGame | for efficiency :) |
| 20:24.59 | tampa1adam | define 'genre specific' |
| 20:25.18 | UloseTheGame | you weren't there for the original conversation nosy |
| 20:25.29 | UloseTheGame | im trying to talk to vailreth |
| 20:25.38 | tampa1adam | oh, my sincerest apologies kind sir and or madam |
| 20:25.43 | UloseTheGame | dont butt in then ask questions cause you dont understand |
| 20:25.55 | UloseTheGame | that's just damn annoying -_- |
| 20:26.04 | UloseTheGame | but if you MUST know |
| 20:26.10 | tampa1adam | plx |
| 20:26.11 | Vailreth | sorery im here |
| 20:26.29 | UloseTheGame | I'm attempting to make my own triggers using the new trigger definitions |
| 20:27.41 | Vailreth | ok. |
| 20:27.52 | Vailreth | i only know data but that sounds cool |
| 20:31.13 | UloseTheGame | i think data and triggers work best when combined |
| 20:32.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (tigger0jk@dynamic2-245-006.usc.edu) |
| 20:34.04 | Fenix | well any idea for my creep tumor that keep the player alive? |
| 20:34.24 | UloseTheGame | your definitely doing something wrong |
| 20:34.32 | UloseTheGame | what your doing wrong though |
| 20:34.42 | UloseTheGame | that's up to you to figure out |
| 20:34.48 | Fenix | i changed nothing about those creep tumor >.< |
| 20:35.01 | Fenix | either the dependencies or w/e |
| 20:35.10 | UloseTheGame | well there's your problem |
| 20:35.21 | UloseTheGame | duplicate the unit first -_- |
| 20:36.16 | Fenix | then? |
| 20:38.58 | Fenix | aw fuck that. I'll just remove the Structure Attribute and that,s it. |
| 20:45.15 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 20:46.07 | UloseTheGame | jade |
| 20:48.06 | Fenix | So, next question. Is there any way to pause the game with tiggers like we pause when doing Game Pause in a real game? Also, is there a way to 'Pause' it but be able acces and modify a dialogs? |
| 20:48.14 | Fenix | Like if we oppened the Menu |
| 20:55.42 | *** part/#sc2mapster Hati-Laptop (kvirc@dslb-088-074-130-254.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:55.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hati-Laptop (kvirc@dslb-088-074-130-254.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:55.54 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Hati-Laptop] by ChanServ |
| 21:00.00 | Deaod | is Squadron TD any good? |
| 21:05.06 | Fenix | try it u'll know |
| 21:06.45 | JademusSreg | It's a tower defense, so... |
| 21:07.12 | Fenix | Next question: I control a Protoss ally. He got Warpgates, the button shows only for him. I want it to show for me also. Do I have to create a new button with dialogs and work around with trigger to recreate it effects? |
| 21:07.28 | Fenix | select all warpgate button. |
| 21:08.35 | JademusSreg | You certainly could. |
| 21:08.52 | JademusSreg | I don't know of a better way to do it. |
| 21:11.02 | Fenix | Well. How to create a button that is pressed when 'W' is pressed and not with a click. Also, where is the warpgate and border image used in the default button? I checked in the images but found nothing... |
| 21:11.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zanryu (~zanryu133@dslb-092-078-129-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:12.48 | JademusSreg | It's in there somewhere. |
| 21:12.51 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:13.09 | JademusSreg | But doing a hotkey just requires hnadling some player input. |
| 21:13.12 | Fenix | I'll have to do that twice caus in my map it will be posible to control 2 different protoss player. And I'll have to create the Idle worker button for both also |
| 22:01.03 | Hati-Laptop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93m2vTBzLxk |
| 22:01.05 | Hati-Laptop | lovely |
| 22:03.52 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 22:11.00 | Fenix | How to select powered warpgate and not just, all the warpgate. I'm using a pick eatch unit and do action. |
| 22:11.32 | Fenix | there is no option for specify the "Powered" require, or unpowered.. |
| 22:11.46 | JademusSreg | Check its properties. |
| 22:13.41 | JademusSreg | Seems there is no Powered property to check by itself. |
| 22:14.40 | JademusSreg | You can check if a unit is powered by a specific unit, and you can get PowerLevel. |
| 22:14.55 | JademusSreg | native int PowerLevel (int inPlayer, point inPos, string inLink); |
| 22:15.09 | JademusSreg | But I honestly don't know how that native works. |
| 22:15.42 | JademusSreg | Anyway, if you applied a buff, you'd be able to check the unit's behavior count. |
| 22:15.42 | Fenix | So, i might just keep select all warpgate |
| 22:15.48 | JademusSreg | Yeah, haha. |
| 22:18.45 | RndmObjcts | hey jade, is there a way to set a condition of a specific type of unit is not in a specific region? |
| 22:21.13 | JademusSreg | What's the event? |
| 22:21.36 | JademusSreg | In any case, yes. |
| 22:21.58 | JademusSreg | The condition would need to check all the units in that region though. |
| 22:22.21 | RndmObjcts | thats where it gets complicated lol.. the event is that any unit enters a region with the condition that the unit is a specific type of unit, but i also want to make sure that if another type of unit is in the region that the actions arent taken |
| 22:22.26 | JademusSreg | Dunno if conditions let you do that in GUI, so you might need to make your own custon condition thing, if GUI lets you do that. |
| 22:22.53 | JademusSreg | That's not complicated. |
| 22:23.29 | RndmObjcts | well it is for me lol i can't find anything that does that QQ i have everything in place but the "make sure this type of unit is not in region" condition xD |
| 22:23.43 | JademusSreg | if ((UnitGetType(EventUnit()) == DudeBro) && (Check all units and shit)) {} |
| 22:24.09 | JademusSreg | Where Check all units and shit represents a custom condition. |
| 22:24.42 | JademusSreg | GUI does let you make new condition definitions, right? |
| 22:24.59 | RndmObjcts | i dont think so, and if it does i have no clue how xD |
| 22:25.04 | RndmObjcts | i'll look into it :) |
| 22:25.06 | Zanryu | you can also combine different conditions through an "AND" condition |
| 22:25.13 | JademusSreg | In the bottom left frame, right click, New -> New Condition Definition or something. |
| 22:25.17 | JademusSreg | && is AND |
| 22:25.18 | Zanryu | or an "OR" condition |
| 22:25.21 | Zanryu | i know |
| 22:25.23 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:26.45 | Hati-Laptop | Fenix: you could check for the powered behaviour i guess |
| 22:27.23 | JademusSreg | Do powered structures get a powered behavior? I haven't looked into it. |
| 22:27.30 | Fenix | possibly |
| 22:27.31 | Zanryu | the powered behaviour has an on and an off status |
| 22:27.37 | Zanryu | or zero and one |
| 22:27.49 | Zanryu | dunno if you can check for these |
| 22:28.12 | JademusSreg | native bool UnitBehaviorEnabled (unit inUnit, string inBehavior); |
| 22:28.14 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 22:28.20 | JademusSreg | I think so. =D |
| 22:29.16 | Zanryu | oh yeah |
| 22:29.21 | Zanryu | power level condition |
| 22:29.27 | Fenix | native is chinees for me. |
| 22:30.04 | Fenix | what is the trigger to "know if that units have that behavior" |
| 22:30.32 | RndmObjcts | ok so yea im trying to make a new condition but this is an area i have no clue about lol xD |
| 22:30.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster RedWraith (~daviddavi@cpe-76-93-160-72.san.res.rr.com) |
| 22:32.04 | JademusSreg | Pick each unit in the region, if unit type of pikced unit is The Guy, return true, and return false at the end of the condition stuff. |
| 22:33.33 | RndmObjcts | what kind of paramiter is the != and == ? xD |
| 22:33.41 | RndmObjcts | parameter* |
| 22:33.58 | JademusSreg | Not Equal and Equal |
| 22:33.59 | Fenix | is not, and is |
| 22:34.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:34.53 | RndmObjcts | well i understand what they mean, what im asking is how do i add them? i have the unit type and region fields but i need to add a !=/== to it lol xD |
| 22:34.58 | Fenix | still i dont find where i can know the active behaviore |
| 22:36.44 | Fenix | ask Jade, more chance of good answer xD |
| 22:38.42 | JademusSreg | I have the editor open now, I can check stuff, too. |
| 22:39.48 | JademusSreg | I have an idea. |
| 22:40.06 | Fenix | could you check for the behavior? There is the Pylon - Power source and the Warp Prisme - Power source |
| 22:40.22 | JademusSreg | I'll make in in GUI, and take a screenshot, Rndm. |
| 22:40.44 | JademusSreg | Fenix, unless they apply a behavior to the unuit being powered by them, you can't check via behavior. |
| 22:41.26 | Fenix | you cant check wich behavior is active? Or if this behavior is active? |
| 22:42.25 | Fenix | something like that behavior on that units = true .... or w/e xD |
| 22:46.22 | RndmObjcts | do you mean "((Triggering unit) has Behavior) == Value 2" |
| 22:47.02 | Fenix | that could work... if it existe and a bit of workaround |
| 22:47.18 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Images/DudeBros.jpg |
| 22:47.35 | RndmObjcts | its a comparison condition just search for behavior |
| 22:47.46 | JademusSreg | That works if you want to know if there are any units of a type in the region. |
| 22:47.55 | JademusSreg | Alright, now on to Fenix's issue. =D |
| 22:48.07 | Fenix | lol.. |
| 22:48.19 | Fenix | You like that Dude xD |
| 22:48.43 | JademusSreg | I always use either DudeBro and Shit in my code examples. |
| 22:48.56 | JademusSreg | *or |
| 22:49.12 | Fenix | lol |
| 22:50.52 | JademusSreg | One thing you can do is check the PowerLevel at the position of the unit. |
| 22:51.26 | RndmObjcts | what kind of variable is that? cause i cant get more than one thing in it lol |
| 22:52.18 | JademusSreg | PowerLevel(player,UnitGetPosition(PickedUnit()),power behavior I guess goes in this parameter); |
| 22:52.25 | JademusSreg | That should work Fenix. |
| 22:52.42 | RndmObjcts | oh i figured it out |
| 22:53.04 | Fenix | any example in trigger? |
| 22:53.11 | Fenix | this is what i got atm |
| 22:53.11 | Fenix | http://i.imgur.com/NV7aJ.jpg |
| 22:53.27 | Fenix | recreating the Warpgate button |
| 22:53.47 | JademusSreg | Alright, I can tell ya how to modify that to work. |
| 22:54.03 | Fenix | i want to add somewhere something that can make sure that the WG are powered |
| 22:54.10 | JademusSreg | Put the Unit Select action in an If Else action. And give the If Else the following condition |
| 22:57.22 | Fenix | _-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯-_-¯- |
| 22:57.37 | JademusSreg | (Power level for Tosser at (Position of (Picked unit)) with "PowerSource") >= 1 |
| 22:58.07 | JademusSreg | That's valid GUI, so I'm certain it works. |
| 22:58.10 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:58.16 | Fenix | lol |
| 22:58.21 | JademusSreg | Too lazy to screenshot and crop again. |
| 22:58.28 | JademusSreg | Lazy/busy. |
| 22:58.51 | RndmObjcts | ok now should the return false be in the else or under the if then else all together? cause.. i think its suppose to be in the else >.> |
| 22:59.08 | JademusSreg | Naw, Rndm. |
| 22:59.24 | JademusSreg | If it returns from the if, then it exits the function's scope. |
| 22:59.37 | JademusSreg | And any function with a return must have a return at the end. |
| 22:59.40 | Fenix | not sure to folow |
| 22:59.45 | JademusSreg | Even if it has returns before. |
| 23:00.01 | Fenix | i got your condition, but what else? |
| 23:00.22 | JademusSreg | Fenix, that condition is all there is to detecting if the unit is powered. |
| 23:00.39 | JademusSreg | So you use that condition in an If Else action in the Pick Each shit. |
| 23:00.49 | Fenix | yeah but, the picked units are after.. |
| 23:00.58 | Fenix | ok nvm |
| 23:01.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:01.23 | JademusSreg | Understand? |
| 23:01.51 | Fenix | um, not sure, I'll say yes for now. I'll test and if it doesnt work, ill come back and say no XD |
| 23:02.01 | JademusSreg | Splendid. |
| 23:03.36 | RndmObjcts | alright can you explain the condition to me now? because ive confused myself, from what i see it means that if there are any of the units in the region the condition is true meaning the actions under the condition wont work unless the units are in the region, correct? |
| 23:06.35 | JademusSreg | If any DudeBros are in the region, the unitgroup will have a count higher than 0, and the region will return true, and the trigger condition will return true. |
| 23:06.53 | JademusSreg | *the if condition will return true |
| 23:06.55 | JademusSreg | Sorry, haha |
| 23:06.58 | JademusSreg | I'm on the phone. |
| 23:07.19 | Fenix | Well, I got a wrong event. Yea..... http://i.imgur.com/ooRPo.jpg http://imgur.com/2VTQD |
| 23:08.00 | RndmObjcts | im trying to make sure that if any of the units are in the region the action in the trigger is not taken |
| 23:09.08 | JademusSreg | Fenix, that's funny. |
| 23:09.09 | Fenix | a kind of "Command only "number" of "Unit" in "region"? xD |
| 23:09.28 | JademusSreg | Oh, my mistake, Rndm. |
| 23:09.35 | JademusSreg | Switch the return value expressions. |
| 23:09.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:09.56 | Fenix | um? |
| 23:10.10 | JademusSreg | As for Fenix's problem, it's because you have two different events. |
| 23:10.31 | Fenix | you cant make a trigger respons to any of the event? |
| 23:10.41 | Fenix | the multiple events* |
| 23:10.51 | JademusSreg | You need to make them separate triggers if you want to avoid the error. |
| 23:11.00 | Fenix | -_- |
| 23:11.06 | JademusSreg | Because the condition is evaluating something that doesn't exist. |
| 23:11.19 | JademusSreg | So you either split them up into two different triggers or remove the condition. |
| 23:11.23 | Fenix | why do trigger need to have only 1 kind of event? |
| 23:11.45 | Fenix | you must specify wich button is pressed >.< |
| 23:11.54 | Fenix | if you want to presse the WG button |
| 23:11.57 | Fenix | with the mouse |
| 23:12.32 | JademusSreg | They can sometimes work with different kinds of events, if the actions responding to them are generic enough to not attempt to access values that may not exist. |
| 23:13.25 | Fenix | So my button pressed and my condition are incorrect together um? |
| 23:13.52 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 23:14.18 | Fenix | I prefer sc1 triggers -_- more simple and no event xD |
| 23:14.24 | JademusSreg | Ewww. |
| 23:14.34 | JademusSreg | SC1 triggers were the worst. |
| 23:14.36 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:14.37 | Fenix | the event is the condition |
| 23:14.50 | Fenix | like "Units enter region" |
| 23:14.51 | JademusSreg | With great power comes great complexity. |
| 23:15.00 | Fenix | and in that condition tehre is everything you ened to know |
| 23:15.02 | JademusSreg | I believe Uncle Ben said that. |
| 23:18.55 | RndmObjcts | alright now i just gotta wait on curry to get back and test it out! lol |
| 23:21.29 | Fenix | ummmmmmmmm.... My trigger with Button Pressed work, but get an event error. My trigger with the dialogs item pressed select all the warpgate >.< |
| 23:22.33 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 23:22.40 | Fenix | sec nvm |
| 23:22.44 | Fenix | i got a duplicate trigger |
| 23:23.29 | Fenix | it works. |
| 23:23.31 | Fenix | yé |
| 23:24.59 | Fenix | now I must duplicate my button for my second player. And I will have to make the Idle Worker button soon. xD What will also be some troubles. .xD |
| 23:25.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:28.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Guest30198 (l.m.n@port543.ds1-hvi.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 23:31.11 | JademusSreg | p;ew pew |
| 23:31.20 | Fenix | pwo pow |
| 23:31.30 | lime | splat |
| 23:33.31 | Fenix | Jade, the number after the Power source, where you put the >= 1 It means there can be more power source. So, it like if I build 5 pylon around it, the number will be 5? |
| 23:34.01 | Stewox | anyone knows C# and win forms ? |
| 23:36.11 | Fenix | yé got my buttons working =D |
| 23:36.28 | Fenix | now i must hide them until player have a warpgate |
| 23:36.29 | Fenix | xD |
| 23:38.55 | JademusSreg | Probably. I partly guessed at how it ought to behave, without even testing it. |
| 23:38.57 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:54.50 | Fenix | Jade, I want to make my button show when the player have a powered warpgate and hide if he doesn't. I got something wrong in my trigger for sure, but I'm a bit confuse how to do: http://i.imgur.com/TgL0k.jpg |
| 23:56.41 | JademusSreg | Hm. Polled checking of powered structures. I don't like that, but looking at the natives, there is no alternative. There is a TriggerAddEventUnitPowerup (trigger t, unitref u); event, but no power down event. |
| 23:57.28 | Fenix | but with the power level it cant works? |
| 23:57.46 | JademusSreg | I was just mentioning the lack of event support. |
| 23:57.52 | JademusSreg | Has nothing to do with the problem. |
| 23:58.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@182-239-132-158.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 23:58.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, as I was saying, if you use a value more than once, it ought to be set to a variable. |
| 23:58.34 | Fenix | I know I do many triggers based on a periodic event.. xD |
| 23:59.07 | Fenix | idk where i need a variable oO |
| 23:59.09 | JademusSreg | (Warp Gate units in Region 001 owned by player 2 matching blah blah blah) ought to be put in a local variable of Unit Group type. |
| 23:59.35 | JademusSreg | It's inefficient to create the same unitgroup twice. |
| 23:59.40 | JademusSreg | But that's also not the issue. |
