| 00:00.03 | Wiz10011 | Frostwind, if you're unwilling to help someone, and you expect you wont get any help, That still brings vailreth question into play, Why do you come here? |
| 00:00.26 | Frostwind | Wiz10011: cuz I still need help with my problem |
| 00:00.39 | Wiz10011 | But yet you expect noone to help you. |
| 00:00.41 | Agouti | because you don't yet have him on ignore |
| 00:01.00 | Wiz10011 | This web based IRC doesnt let me ignore. Or i would of ignored him days ago |
| 00:01.16 | vailreth | Curry you want the Assets/Textures folder in your Assets mpq |
| 00:01.19 | Wiz10011 | or is it a command I haven't figured out? |
| 00:01.40 | Agouti | I'm not sure |
| 00:01.42 | Agouti | I use |
| 00:01.43 | Agouti | http://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/ |
| 00:01.59 | Agouti | and if you were to get that you can use /ignore |
| 00:02.02 | vailreth | i am a KvIrc fan my self... |
| 00:02.18 | vailreth | and yeah /ignore works here too. |
| 00:03.02 | Agouti | downloads kvirc to have a loook |
| 00:03.40 | Agouti | approves automatic OS detection for quick download |
| 00:04.33 | *** part/#sc2mapster Wiz10011 (435412f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.84.18.245) |
| 00:05.07 | vailreth | does Xchat allow you to connect to multiple servers im pretty sure it does but just wondering |
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| 00:05.54 | Agouti | yes it does |
| 00:06.00 | Agouti | brb trying kv |
| 00:06.01 | Wiz10011 | Thank you Agouti |
| 00:06.25 | Agouti | the command you want now wiz is /ignore frostwind all |
| 00:06.29 | Agouti | brb |
| 00:06.57 | Frostwind | moo |
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| 00:08.51 | Agouti | auto login and auto-connect to servers |
| 00:08.55 | Agouti | makes me happy indeed |
| 00:08.55 | phoenix7700 | yep /ignore is your friend |
| 00:09.36 | Frostwind | Anyone bored? |
| 00:09.41 | Agouti | I'm not a fan of the interface at this point |
| 00:09.52 | Agouti | but auto connect and auto-auth have sold it |
| 00:12.37 | Nash|327 | jadeface |
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| 00:16.36 | Nash|327 | Bleh, you're no fun! I return to WC3 then. |
| 00:17.12 | Vailreth | hm |
| 00:17.33 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 00:19.23 | Vailreth | im back i see you are back as well Agouti |
| 00:20.04 | Agouti | yes on kvirc |
| 00:20.23 | Vailreth | what do you think? |
| 00:20.33 | Agouti | I'm trying to work out how to get it to use only foreground color changes for nick highlighting |
| 00:20.36 | Agouti | if I can fix that |
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| 00:20.49 | Agouti | and get it to flash the window on messages from certain channels |
| 00:20.55 | Agouti | then I will be happy |
| 00:20.57 | tk404 | yo |
| 00:21.10 | Vailreth | i wish it would accept input from my tablet |
| 00:25.59 | Currydevil | hmm, i extracted a dds file this time and it's still not showing up in gimp |
| 00:26.29 | Vailreth | u |
| 00:26.51 | Vailreth | you have the dds plug in for gimp? |
| 00:26.58 | Currydevil | probably not. |
| 00:27.24 | Vailreth | http://registry.gimp.org/node/70 |
| 00:28.09 | Currydevil | is there a 32bit or just that one? |
| 00:28.36 | Vailreth | http://code.google.com/p/gimp-dds/downloads/list |
| 00:29.52 | Agouti | Is there a way to use the unit filter condition without having to specify a player? |
| 00:30.20 | Agouti | I'm sadly forced to use the Unit Dies event, and missile storm abilities cause lag as a result |
| 00:30.55 | Currydevil | =( |
| 00:30.58 | Vailreth | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:31.09 | Currydevil | ok, so I dl'd the plugin.. do I have to set it up in gimp?> |
| 00:31.24 | Vailreth | yes |
| 00:31.48 | Currydevil | ok |
| 00:31.59 | Vailreth | just follow the read me i think |
| 00:33.51 | Agouti | ok, different question |
| 00:34.05 | Agouti | anyone used the Unit Gains Experience event? |
| 00:34.26 | Agouti | and if so, do they know whether it is possible to get the unit which was killed to get the experience? |
| 00:34.39 | Currydevil | um |
| 00:34.51 | Currydevil | I've used the unit gains a level. not so much exp. |
| 00:34.54 | Currydevil | let me check though |
| 00:34.56 | Agouti | or at least the owner of the killed unit |
| 00:35.03 | Currydevil | I have something set up on my map with exp |
| 00:35.06 | Agouti | it doesn't say how to in the description |
| 00:35.08 | Frostwind | Anyone bored? |
| 00:35.13 | Agouti | but that doesn't mean it won't work |
| 00:36.05 | Currydevil | Lol, learned not to have the mpq editor open when opening the sc2 editor xD |
| 00:36.16 | Currydevil | that's fun |
| 00:36.27 | Currydevil | seeing all the errors about not being able to load an image |
| 00:36.30 | Currydevil | haha |
| 00:36.32 | Agouti | ok |
| 00:36.49 | Agouti | so strangely it has not-greyed out both Killing unit and Triggering unit |
| 00:36.53 | Agouti | for unit gains XP |
| 00:37.04 | Agouti | which according to the description should be the same thing |
| 00:37.12 | Agouti | well, excluding shared XP I suppose |
| 00:37.24 | Currydevil | so, what are you trying to get the unit killed for? |
| 00:37.30 | Currydevil | is it in the condition? |
| 00:37.54 | Agouti | OK, I have a trigger which keeps track of xp feeding |
| 00:38.10 | Agouti | the only way I've seen to do this so far is an event on Any Unit Dies |
| 00:38.31 | Agouti | I'm trying to move to an event which will cause less lag |
| 00:38.47 | Agouti | I'm hoping the event Any Unit Gains Experience will work |
| 00:38.48 | Currydevil | xp feeding? |
| 00:39.08 | Agouti | experience? |
| 00:39.13 | Currydevil | i mean |
| 00:39.20 | Currydevil | what do you mean by xp feeding? |
| 00:39.28 | Agouti | how much xp team 2 has gained from killing player X's units |
| 00:39.41 | Currydevil | oh ok |
| 00:39.51 | Currydevil | so you just want it to total the exp |
| 00:40.16 | Currydevil | just keep a running total right? |
| 00:40.26 | Agouti | Just to make sure, since I've gone through this hassle before |
| 00:40.29 | Agouti | The trigger is working |
| 00:40.35 | Agouti | I do not need help coding it. |
| 00:40.42 | Agouti | What I am trying to do is improve it |
| 00:40.48 | Frostwind | so anyone bored? |
| 00:40.52 | Agouti | by using a different event |
| 00:41.49 | Currydevil | well, i have an any unit gains exp event to fill up a custom exp bar |
| 00:42.16 | Currydevil | i'm sure you could modify it in a way to add each unit's exp val to the same var and display it. |
| 00:42.46 | Currydevil | to have a total for team 2 |
| 00:42.49 | Vailreth | i am going to be back going to try restarting to see if that fixes the tablet input |
| 00:42.51 | Agouti | curry, you clearly did not read what I wanted. |
| 00:43.08 | Agouti | Please. |
| 00:43.22 | Agouti | If you want to help someone, take the time to read properly. |
| 00:43.25 | Currydevil | you didn't exactly tell me when i asked what you wanted either, i'm trying to understand what you have lol |
| 00:43.40 | Agouti | [00:40:22] <Agouti> The trigger is working |
| 00:43.41 | Agouti | [00:40:28] <Agouti> I do not need help coding it. |
| 00:43.50 | Agouti | I also said |
| 00:44.04 | Agouti | [00:39:21] <Agouti> how much xp team 2 has gained from killing player X's units |
| 00:44.09 | Agouti | IE |
| 00:44.12 | Agouti | It is a measure |
| 00:44.15 | Agouti | of the total XP count |
| 00:44.22 | Agouti | of all units of player X's |
| 00:44.31 | Currydevil | yeah no shit, i asked that to clarfiy and you didn't say yes >.> |
| 00:44.31 | Agouti | killed by that players opponents |
| 00:44.36 | Currydevil | lol |
| 00:44.54 | Currydevil | well, i am using a any unit gains exp event .. it works. |
| 00:44.58 | Currydevil | so I dunno what else you want >.> |
| 00:45.01 | Agouti | well clearly if it is storing the XP given by each player |
| 00:45.08 | Agouti | NOT |
| 00:45.14 | Agouti | the xp gained by each player |
| 00:45.16 | Vailreth | ((Unit type of (Triggering unit)) is Hero) == true |
| 00:45.30 | Agouti | Vailreth: wtf? |
| 00:45.43 | Vailreth | its a condition |
| 00:45.50 | Currydevil | do you have other units on the map giving exp other than the opposing team? I suppose that would be why you need to find the killed unit. |
| 00:45.54 | Agouti | and how exactly is that useful to me? |
| 00:45.54 | Vailreth | i meant to ask if that is what you are looking for |
| 00:46.07 | Agouti | This is exactly what drove me mad last time. |
| 00:46.16 | Agouti | Let me be very concise about this. |
| 00:46.18 | Vailreth | sorry |
| 00:46.29 | Agouti | I do not, repeat, do NOT need help coding this trigger |
| 00:46.36 | Agouti | It is workign right now. |
| 00:46.45 | Agouti | What I am trying to do is reduce the lag it causes. |
| 00:47.11 | Agouti | The trigger stores the total amount of XP that each player has fed to the oppossing team. |
| 00:47.52 | Agouti | So, to put it another way, any time player X has a unit killed by the other team, it add the XP value of that unit to an array. |
| 00:47.52 | Vailreth | so what is the problem then? |
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| 00:48.09 | Agouti | [00:46:38] <Agouti> What I am trying to do is reduce the lag it causes. |
| 00:48.20 | Vailreth | what is causing the lag? |
| 00:48.23 | Agouti | Because as far as I can see it requires using the Any Unit Dies |
| 00:48.35 | Agouti | which means an event every single time, for example, a missile dies |
| 00:48.39 | Vailreth | ok so can you not exclude missiles |
| 00:48.48 | Vailreth | with the condition? |
| 00:48.50 | Agouti | I can in the conditions, obviously |
| 00:48.59 | Agouti | I'm not stupid |
| 00:49.06 | Agouti | and event triggered is still an event triggered |
| 00:49.13 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 00:49.15 | Vailreth | hm |
| 00:49.16 | Agouti | and with abilities which have dozens of missiles every second |
| 00:49.27 | Vailreth | ok well thats out of my league then |
| 00:49.29 | Agouti | it is a lot of network and CPU overhead |
| 00:49.55 | Agouti | My original question, 15 odd minutes ago, was: Can you get the owner of the killed unit from Any Unit Gains XP |
| 00:50.06 | Agouti | or some other variation on that event |
| 00:50.25 | JademusSreg | Hm, not from that event, I think. |
| 00:50.28 | JademusSreg | Let me check the natives. |
| 00:50.54 | Agouti | I'm fairly sure you can't |
| 00:51.05 | Agouti | from looking at it |
| 00:51.18 | Agouti | I need to get a copy of the natives myself, I think |
| 00:51.21 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 00:51.49 | Agouti | I don't suppose there is an Any Unit Kills Any Unit ? |
| 00:51.53 | JademusSreg | But you can detect death and the damage source. |
| 00:51.53 | Agouti | I can't see one |
| 00:51.58 | JademusSreg | There is. |
| 00:52.10 | JademusSreg | You can detect Any Unit Dies. |
| 00:52.20 | Agouti | that is what I am trying to avoid. |
| 00:53.01 | JademusSreg | You can get the damage source, check if it has veterancy. You can check the dying unit's owner, too. |
| 00:53.08 | JademusSreg | Avoid what? |
| 00:53.15 | Agouti | using Any Unit Dies |
| 00:53.19 | JademusSreg | Why? |
| 00:53.23 | Currydevil | any unit dies: missiles galore |
| 00:53.25 | Frostwind | so anyone bored? |
| 00:54.00 | Agouti | Actually, I should make sure the missiles are being removed, rather than killed |
| 00:54.00 | JademusSreg | Oh well. |
| 00:54.08 | Agouti | as that should avoid that event being triggered |
| 00:54.11 | JademusSreg | It's not such a big deal even if they do fire the event. |
| 00:54.40 | Agouti | I've improved the condition ordering a bit to hopefully cut down on the overhead |
| 00:54.48 | JademusSreg | Condition? |
| 00:54.53 | Agouti | but If I can avoid missiles triggering it all together |
| 00:55.18 | JademusSreg | Just test if it is triggered by missiles with an Any Unit Dies and a message actiomn. |
| 00:55.37 | Agouti | Why on earth would I do that? |
| 00:55.59 | JademusSreg | Make a trigger with the Any Un it Dies event and make the action send a message. =\ |
| 00:56.11 | Agouti | ((Triggering unit) is Excluded: Missile for player Player) == true |
| 00:56.19 | JademusSreg | That's a condition. |
| 00:56.20 | Agouti | as the first condition |
| 00:56.28 | JademusSreg | Conditions are run once the event has been triggered. |
| 00:56.37 | JademusSreg | So it filters them out just fine. |
| 00:56.41 | JademusSreg | But it still triggers it. |
| 00:57.10 | Currydevil | will making it run from a seperate trigger cut down? |
| 00:57.21 | Currydevil | not even call the trigger if it's a missile? |
| 00:57.26 | Agouti | what do you mean by message action, JademusSreg? |
| 00:57.38 | Currydevil | so all the missile dying will do is call that condition? |
| 00:57.46 | JademusSreg | Look at the mapscript and find the trigger; you will note that conditions are evaluated in an if block, that returns if any of the conditions are true. |
| 00:57.56 | Agouti | I realize that |
| 00:58.00 | JademusSreg | Also, message action, an Action that displays a message to the player. |
| 00:58.12 | JademusSreg | Text Message is probably the name of the action. |
| 00:58.32 | JademusSreg | Curry, then you're using twice as many threads and accomplishing nothing. |
| 00:58.32 | Agouti | JademusSreg, I have done a shitload of coding, you don't need to treat me like some random noob |
| 00:58.38 | JademusSreg | I'm not. |
| 00:58.51 | Currydevil | i was just asking... |
| 00:58.57 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:58.59 | JademusSreg | So srs |
| 00:59.11 | JademusSreg | Cheer up. |
| 00:59.16 | Agouti | I have the unit filter as the first condition so that the if block fails execution as quickly as possible. |
| 00:59.25 | JademusSreg | Yes, that is good. |
| 00:59.28 | Agouti | If you have a way to streamline all the failed event triggers |
| 00:59.33 | Agouti | further |
| 00:59.37 | Agouti | I'm all ears |
| 00:59.39 | JademusSreg | Of course, it would also be good to check if they fire the trigger at all. |
| 01:00.01 | JademusSreg | What are the other trigger conditions? |
| 01:00.25 | Agouti | mainly unit group checks |
| 01:00.32 | Agouti | rather |
| 01:00.36 | Agouti | player group |
| 01:00.46 | Agouti | which are considerably higher CPU count conditions |
| 01:01.25 | Agouti | I am rather curious if a missile death invokes unit died, now, however |
| 01:01.31 | Agouti | I always assumed it did |
| 01:01.37 | JademusSreg | I am also curious. |
| 01:01.40 | JademusSreg | launches the editor. |
| 01:02.30 | Agouti | I may yet beat you to it ;) |
| 01:02.53 | Agouti | you can remove units from the game in such a way as they will not trigger death events |
| 01:02.58 | Agouti | including actor death events |
| 01:03.40 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:03.45 | Agouti | it appears they do not |
| 01:03.49 | Agouti | that is something, at least |
| 01:04.13 | Agouti | sadly this means the source of lag must be elsewhere |
| 01:04.50 | Agouti | well, that means that I can remove that condition |
| 01:05.01 | JademusSreg | I also came to the same conclusion. =D |
| 01:06.00 | Agouti | This new bug with Revive abilities from 1.3.5 is driving me up the wall |
| 01:06.33 | JademusSreg | Any official Blizzard comments on that bug |
| 01:06.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:06.40 | Agouti | Not that I have seen |
| 01:07.04 | Agouti | I haven't checked the forums too closely... I usually assume it's my mistake until otherwise proven :) |
| 01:07.16 | Agouti | or look for a workaround |
| 01:07.24 | Agouti | Given up expecting bugs to be fixed |
| 01:07.37 | Agouti | I really can't see how I could have broken it, however |
| 01:08.18 | Agouti | It goes something like this: |
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| 01:09.00 | Agouti | If I create a particular structure - I can see no link as to why this one - and the actual unit it is meant to revive has not yet been trained |
| 01:09.19 | Agouti | the revive button (which should be hidden) is replaced with Revive (the structure created) |
| 01:09.43 | Agouti | the cost and time are those set for reviving the actual unit |
| 01:10.02 | Fenix | How can I change the Mar Sara bridge model to the Temple Bridge broken and keeping the footprint? |
| 01:10.11 | Agouti | if I am in SP, I can use makeunit (the unit), which fixes it |
| 01:10.31 | Agouti | Fenix, I'm not sure that you can |
| 01:10.34 | JademusSreg | Fenix, change the model used by the actor. |
| 01:10.39 | Agouti | they are terrain objects, correct? |
| 01:10.46 | JademusSreg | Naw, just doodads. |
| 01:10.48 | Fenix | nop they are dodoate |
| 01:10.49 | Currydevil | not the model |
| 01:10.52 | Agouti | ah |
| 01:10.53 | JademusSreg | Which is to say actors. |
| 01:10.57 | Agouti | indeed |
| 01:11.42 | JademusSreg | What are you trying to do Fenix? Just get a temple bridge with a footprint? =D |
| 01:11.48 | Fenix | But in the actors there is only "Actor - Texture Sets, Art - Random Scale Range, and few editor about name and desc." |
| 01:11.49 | Vailreth | i have a similar issue .. when my structure that can revive heros is actiavted and made owned by a team they revive button becomes that of the unit that activated the ability to change the onwer |
| 01:11.55 | Fenix | yeah |
| 01:11.57 | JademusSreg | Seems like it would make more sense to duplicate the temple brudge and give it a footprint. |
| 01:12.08 | Fenix | one or another |
| 01:12.11 | Fenix | how do i do? |
| 01:12.12 | JademusSreg | Fenix, enable Advance View. |
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| 01:12.34 | JademusSreg | It's in one of those top menus. |
| 01:12.39 | Fenix | -_- |
| 01:12.40 | Fenix | ok got it. |
| 01:12.49 | Fenix | thx >.< |
| 01:12.53 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 01:13.08 | Vailreth | be back in a bit folks |
| 01:13.08 | Agouti | the fact that it is the creation of a totally unrelated unit which breaks the ability, and that creating the actual revived unit fixes it implies it is a weird bug with SC2 |
| 01:13.13 | JademusSreg | You will find a whole new world opened to you. =D |
| 01:13.27 | JademusSreg | I agree Ago |
| 01:13.39 | Agouti | I should create a thread I suppose |
| 01:13.52 | Vailreth | yep we likely wont see a fix for that till Bizz allstars if even then |
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| 01:13.57 | JademusSreg | And trigger a workaround. =D |
| 01:14.01 | Vailreth | likely in HotS though |
| 01:14.18 | Fenix | that 'whole new world' is not that new since I already saw those menu... but for some kind of reason, they was not showing and i never need those. |
| 01:14.20 | Fenix | xD |
| 01:14.21 | tk404 | hey |
| 01:14.30 | tk404 | im making a dota sort of a map |
| 01:14.43 | tk404 | how do i change the spawn units attack target priority to other spawn units |
| 01:14.56 | Frostwind | so anyone bored? |
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| 01:16.24 | Currydevil | lame, Can't find the icon I need. it's in the editor but not on the list in the mpq editor. |
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| 01:17.19 | Tempest4 | alright guys, before i make 100 versions of an image to compensate, i have to ask if there is any way to make a tiled image get cut off from the left side when being sized |
| 01:17.56 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 01:17.57 | Tempest4 | im trying to make a health bar that is anchored to the bottom right, and and the health bar goes from left to right |
| 01:18.17 | JademusSreg | So like the turbo gauge in Photon Cycles. |
| 01:18.23 | Tempest4 | this will not be a strechable image |
| 01:18.49 | JademusSreg | Precisely. |
| 01:19.08 | Frostwind | :( no one else is bored |
| 01:19.11 | Tempest4 | ? |
| 01:19.28 | Tempest4 | i dont remember the turbo gauge |
| 01:19.34 | Tempest4 | how do i do it |
| 01:20.39 | JademusSreg | DialogControlSetPropertyAsBool(dialogItem,c_triggerControlPropertyTiled,g,true); |
| 01:20.57 | Tempest4 | oh is that only a custom script |
| 01:21.05 | JademusSreg | So long as it is tiled, it weill get cut off. |
| 01:21.15 | Tempest4 | i want it to get cut off |
| 01:21.22 | JademusSreg | Exactly. |
| 01:21.32 | JademusSreg | Tiled images get cut off. |
| 01:21.46 | JademusSreg | Oh wait. |
| 01:21.58 | JademusSreg | Now I think I see. |
| 01:22.27 | JademusSreg | When it is sized lower, you want the left side cut off, rather than the right. |
| 01:22.35 | Tempest4 | yes |
| 01:22.39 | JademusSreg | Why so? |
| 01:22.52 | Tempest4 | cuz it needs to be that way |
| 01:22.53 | Tempest4 | lol |
| 01:22.59 | JademusSreg | I know how. |
| 01:23.04 | JademusSreg | But I want to know why. |
| 01:23.44 | Tempest4 | iv tryed putting it in a dialog and cutting it off by making the actual dialog smaller, but this thing thats getting shorter also has a background, and if i put that in a dif dialog, that dialog is removed |
| 01:24.06 | JademusSreg | The how of it is that you put it in a transparent dialog, and move the image to the left to get it cut off by the edge of the dialog frame. |
| 01:24.13 | JademusSreg | Don't rezie the dialog, move thei mage. |
| 01:24.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:24.20 | JademusSreg | *resize |
| 01:24.39 | Tempest4 | yeah but |
| 01:24.49 | Tempest4 | it also has a background and other things that need to be in the same area |
| 01:25.07 | Tempest4 | and apparently if i put a dialog on an anchor, it removes the previous one |
| 01:25.09 | JademusSreg | What difference does that make? This is in its own seperate dialog. |
| 01:25.19 | JademusSreg | So it will appear over them. |
| 01:25.19 | Tempest4 | i tryed |
| 01:25.29 | Frostwind | moo |
| 01:25.43 | Tempest4 | it doesnt appear over them |
| 01:25.49 | Tempest4 | it completely removes the previous one |
| 01:25.55 | Tempest4 | atleast thats what happened |
| 01:26.00 | JademusSreg | That doesn't make any sense. |
| 01:26.05 | Tempest4 | no it doesnt |
| 01:26.08 | Tempest4 | but u should try it |
| 01:26.11 | Tempest4 | cuz thats what happens |
| 01:26.12 | Tempest4 | ;p |
| 01:26.16 | JademusSreg | You create a new dialog over the other. |
| 01:26.31 | JademusSreg | One has the background stuff. And the other has the bar that you move. |
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| 01:27.19 | Frostwind | so.................. |
| 01:27.36 | Tempest4 | ok |
| 01:27.40 | Tempest4 | this is one of those thinggggs |
| 01:27.42 | JademusSreg | Anyway, if you're curious about the turbo gauge in Photon Cycles, I encourage you to play the map, and then I can explain how I did it if that is what you want. |
| 01:27.58 | Tempest4 | one of those thingss where i forgot to make a second "show last created dialog" while testingg... |
| 01:28.16 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:28.19 | JademusSreg | Classic. |
| 01:28.34 | Tempest4 | http://i.imgur.com/QfcHn.jpg |
| 01:28.45 | Jum-Jum | http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/Jum-Jum/Terrain001-2.jpg?t=1311730060 |
| 01:28.50 | Jum-Jum | is this enough space for terran and protoss? |
| 01:28.53 | Tempest4 | thats a pic of the right bar messed up |
| 01:28.58 | Tempest4 | but tis fix |
| 01:29.47 | JademusSreg | I think not Jum. |
| 01:29.49 | Tempest4 | btw while ur here, is it possible to remove that little thing on the right as well, the box for bnet friends |
| 01:29.57 | JademusSreg | It is for tech, but not supply. |
| 01:30.21 | JademusSreg | Tempest, yes, cinematic mode disables it. |
| 01:30.31 | JademusSreg | Not the button, but the frame. |
| 01:30.43 | JademusSreg | The button is hardcoded and cannot ever be removed. |
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| 01:32.11 | Tempest4 | thats the only way to remove it.. cinematic mode ಠ_ಠ|
| 01:32.19 | Tempest4 | does ur map still have that there as well then? |
| 01:32.34 | JademusSreg | My map doesn't have the frame. =D |
| 01:32.42 | Frostwind | moo |
| 01:33.04 | Tempest4 | oh yeah >> |
| 01:34.37 | mapsterman | Is a list item considered a dialog item? |
| 01:34.38 | Tempest4 | oh sry, wasent aware it stayed off when cinematic mode was turned off |
| 01:34.50 | Jum-Jum | Okay, just made it slightly bigger. Should be enough. |
| 01:35.08 | mapsterman | like inside a list box |
| 01:35.25 | JademusSreg | List items are not dialog items. |
| 01:35.34 | JademusSreg | List items are a whole other can of worms. |
| 01:36.10 | mapsterman | damn |
| 01:36.16 | mapsterman | how can you reffer to tem :3 |
| 01:36.23 | mapsterman | you cant even change their number |
| 01:36.26 | mapsterman | can you? |
| 01:36.44 | mapsterman | they are just equal to their position on the list |
| 01:37.35 | mapsterman | :3 |
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| 01:38.49 | JademusSreg | DialogControlAddItem (int control, playergroup players, text value); DialogControlRemoveItem (int control, playergroup players, int index); DialogControlRemoveAllItems (int control, playergroup players); DialogControlSelectItem (int control, playergroup players, int index); DialogControlGetItemCount (int control, int player); DialogControlGetSelectedItem (int control, int player); |
| 01:39.06 | JademusSreg | Those are the natives for dealing with dialog control items. |
| 01:39.23 | mapsterman | yea...but idk wtf a native is |
| 01:39.28 | mapsterman | whats the function |
| 01:39.45 | JademusSreg | Basically, you can add, remove, remove all, select by index, get count, and get the item selected by a player. |
| 01:40.18 | mapsterman | correct me if im wrong |
| 01:40.35 | mapsterman | the list item number is equal to its position on the list |
| 01:40.43 | mapsterman | and not the order in which it was created |
| 01:40.53 | JademusSreg | I sure hope so. |
| 01:40.55 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:41.08 | mapsterman | meh |
| 01:41.26 | Fenix | Units cant pass on bridges over the lowest level of terrain =/ |
| 01:41.33 | Agouti | If you wanted to read a detailed report of that bug, JademusSreg: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2913051339?page=1#0 |
| 01:41.47 | Fenix | the only way is by setting the pathing under by allowing the units to pass |
| 01:41.52 | Fenix | is there anu other way? |
| 01:41.59 | Fenix | that would folow the bridge footprint? |
| 01:42.06 | JademusSreg | Fenix, the game doesn't support multiple pathing planes like that. |
| 01:42.14 | Frostwind | so.................. |
| 01:42.16 | Fenix | i know this |
| 01:42.30 | Fenix | but arent them supposed to work? |
| 01:42.32 | Fenix | this is one level |
| 01:42.50 | JademusSreg | What is the issue? |
| 01:43.00 | Fenix | give me a sec. |
| 01:44.34 | Frostwind | so.................. |
| 01:45.23 | tk404 | how do i change the spawn units attack target priority to other spawn units |
| 01:45.34 | JademusSreg | ?? |
| 01:45.37 | Fenix | the selected unit is not supposed to be there (used shift to allow the placement) Caus it is over the lowest level. http://i.imgur.com/TYG2D.jpg |
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| 01:45.47 | Keyeszx | Is Xaragoth on? |
| 01:46.21 | tk404 | how do i change the spawn units attack target priority to other spawn units |
| 01:46.30 | tk404 | i mean |
| 01:46.31 | JademusSreg | Fenix, that looks exactly as it should. |
| 01:46.37 | tk404 | how do i make |
| 01:46.52 | Fenix | the selected tank is in an impossible placement |
| 01:46.54 | Keyeszx | Xaragoth: Do you know any good tutorials for 3Ds Max? |
| 01:46.57 | Frostwind | yawns |
| 01:47.06 | Fenix | when it should be working |
| 01:47.22 | JademusSreg | You mean it's a pathing issue? |
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| 01:47.44 | JademusSreg | The bridge area is not pathable? |
| 01:47.47 | Fenix | i think its caus its over the lowest level |
| 01:47.50 | Fenix | nop |
| 01:48.01 | JademusSreg | It's not the lowest lowel that's the problem. |
| 01:48.05 | Fenix | the units goes up but it is in red |
| 01:48.14 | JademusSreg | It's probably the footprint. |
| 01:48.29 | Fenix | footprint are the Mar Sara bridge that are working perfectly |
| 01:48.36 | JademusSreg | Let me check one of my test maps. |
| 01:49.01 | Fenix | just put a bridge over the lowest terrain and see |
| 01:49.34 | mapsterman | why is my checkbox triggered at map initialisation even though no player checks it |
| 01:49.35 | tk404 | wtf |
| 01:49.40 | tk404 | how does that attack target priority work |
| 01:49.42 | mapsterman | wtf is this crap editor |
| 01:49.44 | tk404 | its just a number... |
| 01:49.57 | tk404 | agree its fuckin weird as hell |
| 01:50.02 | Fenix | lol |
| 01:50.12 | tk404 | yo |
| 01:50.18 | tk404 | what is attack target priority |
| 01:50.20 | tk404 | and how do i use it |
| 01:50.49 | Fenix | no idea, never played with that. |
| 01:50.55 | tk404 | aight |
| 01:51.01 | JademusSreg | I have a bridge in this demo working perfectly. What footprint are you using? |
| 01:51.09 | JademusSreg | Name of the footprint. |
| 01:51.28 | Fenix | Mar Sara Bridge |
| 01:51.50 | Fenix | its really caus of the terrain |
| 01:52.04 | Fenix | try by yourself. Place a bridge over the terrain |
| 01:52.08 | Fenix | lowest terrain |
| 01:52.09 | JademusSreg | Already did. |
| 01:52.16 | Fenix | it worked? |
| 01:52.17 | JademusSreg | I have an old map with this. |
| 01:52.21 | JademusSreg | Yeah, of course. |
| 01:52.30 | Fenix | there is no pahting manually done under? |
| 01:55.03 | tk404 | yo |
| 01:55.04 | tk404 | how do u umm |
| 01:55.10 | tk404 | ok you know weapons right |
| 01:55.19 | JademusSreg | Hold on, I'm encountering an odd editor bug. |
| 01:55.21 | tk404 | i made a weapon |
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| 01:56.37 | Fenix | I have another bridge i did, with a pathing under. The problem is that the Temple broken bridge is pretty heavy/big. So little units like Zergling can be hide in the bridge xD |
| 01:56.38 | Fenix | http://i.imgur.com/zMoR1.jpg |
| 01:57.17 | Fenix | and i must put another bridge under |
| 01:57.23 | Fenix | to make the pathing work |
| 01:57.35 | JademusSreg | Fuck. |
| 01:57.43 | Fenix | caus putting the pathing of Mar Sara Bridge with the Temple bridge doesnt work correctly |
| 01:57.45 | JademusSreg | I can't view pathing anymore. =\ |
| 01:58.28 | Fenix | sometimes there are bug liek this |
| 01:58.48 | Frostwind | yawns |
| 01:58.49 | Fenix | you might try to restart (like you probably did) and looks in the view settings... |
| 01:59.12 | JademusSreg | It works fine in game. |
| 01:59.35 | Fenix | send me the map so i can take a look? |
| 01:59.50 | Frostwind | wishes he could work on his project |
| 01:59.53 | JademusSreg | The footprint for the bridge wasn't drawn in the editor, but it worked fine in game. |
| 02:00.13 | Fenix | what do you mean by "wasn't drawn in the editor" |
| 02:00.25 | JademusSreg | Means I couldn't place untis on it. |
| 02:00.30 | JademusSreg | And it's footprint didn't appear. |
| 02:00.35 | JademusSreg | But it worked fine in the game. |
| 02:00.39 | Fenix | oO |
| 02:00.47 | Fenix | wth. |
| 02:00.50 | Fenix | lol.. |
| 02:00.53 | Fenix | ok ima try |
| 02:00.54 | Fenix | xD |
| 02:00.58 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:04.03 | Vailreth | hey Xan |
| 02:04.14 | Xan | hey |
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| 02:04.54 | Vailreth | how is the terrain coming? |
| 02:05.16 | Jum-Jum | great, thank you very much for asking |
| 02:05.30 | Xan | havent worked on it too much, going on vacation on friday for a week :) |
| 02:05.52 | Currydevil | any tips on adding a single color to an uncolored icon vail? |
| 02:06.15 | Vailreth | yes |
| 02:06.28 | Vailreth | and nice Xan |
| 02:07.12 | Vailreth | Curry. you should be able to apply a new layer to the icon file that is filled with a solid color then change the blending mode |
| 02:07.15 | Fenix | yé editor just crashed |
| 02:07.31 | Xaragoth | Keyeszx: ModCraft |
| 02:07.35 | Xaragoth | We did some nice tuts on a box |
| 02:07.45 | Xaragoth | it's for a more advanced audience though, i'd say |
| 02:07.58 | Keyeszx | I'm kind of a novice so I'll check it out |
| 02:08.04 | Keyeszx | but I think it might be over my head |
| 02:08.30 | Xaragoth | there are some good ones just by googling |
| 02:08.40 | Xaragoth | the tutorial is more about high & lowpoly as well as baking |
| 02:10.17 | Currydevil | Can I not preview the change of the blend mode before i apply it? |
| 02:10.53 | Keyeszx | The basic controls are easy enough to learn right? It's more about learning how to model something that I want to learn. I've seen a couple that use a picture as a base but I have no picture to go off of |
| 02:11.36 | Xaragoth | you gotta google one |
| 02:11.39 | Xaragoth | for reference |
| 02:11.42 | Fenix | well Jade, for some reason when the bridge is enough long it work. |
| 02:11.43 | Vailreth | i dont think so |
| 02:11.44 | Xaragoth | you need some stuff to go by |
| 02:12.30 | Currydevil | hmm |
| 02:13.11 | Currydevil | can't seem to apply the blend to it anyway lol |
| 02:13.50 | Currydevil | either that or it didn't show up very well. |
| 02:14.08 | Vailreth | i am having to re re re instal my tablet drivers give me a bit |
| 02:14.17 | Currydevil | np |
| 02:14.37 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 02:16.06 | Vailreth | i have photoshop and use that mainly so i am having to get the gimp working |
| 02:16.29 | Nash|327 | JADEFACE |
| 02:17.02 | Vailreth | i hate windows vista |
| 02:17.33 | Nash|327 | I ate Windows Vista! |
| 02:17.49 | Currydevil | np, I had ps .. but don't have it anymore. |
| 02:18.01 | Nash|327 | slaps JademusSreg around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:18.01 | Currydevil | might try to load up my paintshop pro >.> |
| 02:18.07 | Nash|327 | lols |
| 02:18.18 | Currydevil | don't "lols" me nash |
| 02:18.31 | mapsterman | the list item number is equal to its position on the list item on the listbox or the order in which it was created? |
| 02:21.37 | Mexa_ | inputs bed. |
| 02:21.40 | Mexa_ | nightynight |
| 02:27.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:27.39 | JademusSreg | I was melting cheese between two tortillas. |
| 02:28.43 | Mexa_ | And I was having some nice nomnom with my nutella and salami |
| 02:29.45 | Keyeszx | What's netella? |
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| 02:29.59 | tordy | wassup dudes |
| 02:30.04 | Keyeszx | dooood |
| 02:30.12 | JademusSreg | Eating foods. |
| 02:30.38 | Keyeszx | $5 says no one knows the reference I just made |
| 02:32.30 | Keyeszx | doooood $5 talks a lot |
| 02:32.57 | tordy | did immortal shields in sc2multi ever change? |
| 02:33.02 | tordy | like they always take 10 damage |
| 02:33.10 | tordy | even if the damage effect deals less than 10 damage |
| 02:33.22 | tordy | which is how it was always |
| 02:33.24 | Currydevil | they take any damage up to 10 and stops there |
| 02:33.33 | Currydevil | unless they run out of shield. |
| 02:33.38 | Currydevil | wasn't aware that it changed |
| 02:33.48 | tordy | i dont think it change, it just was always like that |
| 02:33.49 | Currydevil | or was ever different |
| 02:33.53 | tordy | ^ |
| 02:34.00 | tordy | just a huge misconception goin on |
| 02:34.04 | Currydevil | oh |
| 02:34.04 | tordy | and still goin |
| 02:34.20 | tordy | according to data editor, immortal should always take 10 damage from any damage effect |
| 02:34.27 | tordy | on the shields |
| 02:34.38 | tordy | maybe some exceptions |
| 02:34.41 | tordy | like spell damage |
| 02:35.34 | tordy | oh gosh ;3 |
| 02:36.39 | Currydevil | ? |
| 02:36.55 | Frostwind | wishes he could work on his project |
| 02:37.01 | tordy | what project |
| 02:37.57 | Keyeszx | pay no mind to frostwind he's not willing to learn animation to get through his project |
| 02:38.24 | Keyeszx | or something like that |
| 02:38.37 | Frostwind | I can't model |
| 02:38.54 | Keyeszx | I thought that myself but I just made a damn house in the UDK this morning from watching tuts |
| 02:39.05 | tordy | i dont care, get your gameplay mechanics workin first! |
| 02:39.07 | tordy | aesthetics later |
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| 02:39.14 | Keyeszx | So if I can do it you can, watch some tutorials |
| 02:39.27 | Keyeszx | I think that's what people tried telling him but he wouldn't listen |
| 02:39.28 | Frostwind | I can't figure out how to even make a basic shape (like a ball). |
| 02:39.45 | Keyeszx | Frostwind how old are you? It's not rocket science |
| 02:40.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:40.07 | Frostwind | plus even if I could figure it out it would take years to be good enough to do this decent enough |
| 02:40.55 | tordy | if you guys took a test on data mechanics of sc2, would you pass? Like the question on how much dmg something deals against immortal hardened shields |
| 02:41.16 | Frostwind | tordy, I need this problem fixed so I can build the combat engine |
| 02:41.28 | tordy | what's your project in the first place |
| 02:41.35 | Keyeszx | lmao! years? It'll take probably a week to get familiar with the controls. Then maybe a month to learn basic modelling. Then the rest is learning how to better yourself |
| 02:42.14 | Keyeszx | I haven't seen him post on the forums asking for help |
| 02:42.15 | Frostwind | I spent hours trying to figure out how to just make a basic shape. |
| 02:42.30 | JademusSreg | Tordy, that is a question about melee, not the mechanics per se. =D |
| 02:42.44 | JademusSreg | Where melee is a specific implementation of those mechanics. |
| 02:42.44 | Keyeszx | I just installed and opened 3ds max |
| 02:42.52 | Keyeszx | I've had it open for a couple of minutes |
| 02:42.58 | Keyeszx | I just made a circle after you said it took you hours |
| 02:43.04 | Keyeszx | sphere* |
| 02:43.33 | Frostwind | I spent hours and couldn't figure out how to make a basic shape |
| 02:43.54 | Keyeszx | I need a facepalm picture |
| 02:44.17 | Keyeszx | I just proved to you it's easy to learn you just have to open your damn eyes and look around |
| 02:44.23 | JademusSreg | http://projectfriendspace.net/fun/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/PicardFacepalm.jpg |
| 02:44.41 | Keyeszx | JademusSreg: Thanks |
| 02:44.42 | JademusSreg | First one on the list. |
| 02:44.52 | Frostwind | I just need this damn problem fixed so I can't work on my project |
| 02:45.16 | Keyeszx | I don't understand why you can't just continue working on it |
| 02:45.31 | tordy | well w/e would you pass? |
| 02:46.02 | Frostwind | because this is a major part of my combat engine and without it I can't even build my combat engine |
| 02:46.05 | JademusSreg | Depends on what kind of exam it is. |
| 02:46.36 | Keyeszx | You do not need an animation to build a combat engine |
| 02:46.42 | tordy | 100 multiple choice questions, goes from how much dmg does marine in melee do to mover accelerations |
| 02:46.42 | JademusSreg | For instance, if the exam consisted of a problem for which youm ust find the solution by interacting with the editor, absolutely. =D |
| 02:46.46 | Frostwind | yea i do |
| 02:46.53 | tordy | course not that would be cheating! |
| 02:46.55 | tordy | >:) |
| 02:47.01 | Frostwind | the animation is part of the combat engine |
| 02:47.07 | JademusSreg | tordy, those are questions about melee. |
| 02:47.12 | Keyeszx | how is the animation part of the engine? |
| 02:47.25 | JademusSreg | Since I do not play melee, I do not expect myself to know all the relevant melee values. |
| 02:47.32 | Frostwind | for attacking or casting on the move |
| 02:48.01 | Keyeszx | You just set up the engine and then use what animations you have for now |
| 02:48.12 | Keyeszx | then when you're done you ask for the animations |
| 02:48.22 | Frostwind | I have to program the animations in |
| 02:48.39 | JademusSreg | Good projects attract talent. |
| 02:48.45 | Keyeszx | exactly |
| 02:49.02 | JademusSreg | You have nothing to show, because you're stuck on an inconsequential aesthetic detail. |
| 02:49.13 | Frostwind | I have only been working on the engine for my map. I haven't even got to the actual map |
| 02:49.14 | Keyeszx | Also isn't moving and attacking or casting already possible |
| 02:49.19 | Keyeszx | just a small data change? |
| 02:49.28 | JademusSreg | When you finish prototyping the map, you will have something to demonstrate, which will in turn attract talented people. |
| 02:49.33 | Frostwind | I'm not using the default combat engine |
| 02:49.50 | Keyeszx | Anyways Frostwind finish the rest of the map and then ask for help |
| 02:50.02 | JademusSreg | Frosty wants it to play "like WoW" with the upper half doing one thing, like spell casting, and the bottom half wlaking. |
| 02:50.04 | Keyeszx | Give people something to see and it will attract someone who will help |
| 02:50.09 | JademusSreg | Combined animations. |
| 02:50.19 | JademusSreg | I explained he could best acheive this using anim groups weeks ago. |
| 02:50.23 | Keyeszx | I know but he won't get it and he can cheat it till he can |
| 02:50.33 | Frostwind | also the default moving and attacking doesn't take into account units like Marine which have legs. so walk and attack animations need to be combined |
| 02:51.15 | Frostwind | I've played around with animgroups alot at first and found it does nothing. no matter what values you try |
| 02:51.37 | JademusSreg | Then you're doing it wrong. |
| 02:51.45 | JademusSreg | Anim groups correspond to animatyion groups in the model. |
| 02:51.55 | JademusSreg | By themselves, they do nothing. |
| 02:52.20 | Keyeszx | JademusSreg: Can you actually get a unit's feet moving while the top is shooting at the same time? |
| 02:52.21 | JademusSreg | You use actor events to apply and remove them in response to the unit's activity. |
| 02:52.34 | JademusSreg | Not without a model edit, as I told him weeks ago, |
| 02:52.44 | Frostwind | I've tried anim groups and they do nothing |
| 02:52.45 | Keyeszx | Ok so I was thinking the right thing |
| 02:52.58 | JademusSreg | Frosty, you fail to listen. |
| 02:53.16 | Keyeszx | Why doesn't he just use the attack animation and have them move while playing that animation? |
| 02:53.29 | Keyeszx | sure it looks like crap but it will eventually attract some modeller |
| 02:53.38 | JademusSreg | Because he insists on being stuck on a trivial aesthetic detail. |
| 02:53.43 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:54.08 | GePanda | How do I make a footprint that only lets you place the building on a mineral field? I've tried opening the Capped Vespene one but there's nothing in there that helps... |
| 02:54.14 | JademusSreg | Polish is the last goddamn thing you worry about. |
| 02:54.16 | Frostwind | Keyeszx: I've tried to find a way to play both already, I can't find one. so I asked for help here |
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| 02:54.44 | Vailreth | did i ever mention i hate windows vista |
| 02:54.49 | Keyeszx | Frostwind: you don't understand what you want is miniscule and shouldn't even be worried about. Just use the attack animation |
| 02:54.54 | Keyeszx | why are you still on vista? |
| 02:54.56 | JademusSreg | Ge, that's a good question. I expect there is a value on the unit. Do you have Advanced View on? |
| 02:55.10 | Vailreth | i cant afford to upgrade.. |
| 02:55.16 | Keyeszx | afford? |
| 02:55.17 | GePanda | Yes |
| 02:55.17 | Keyeszx | lmao |
| 02:55.21 | JademusSreg | Hm |
| 02:55.28 | JademusSreg | I'll check in out. |
| 02:55.31 | JademusSreg | opens the editor. |
| 02:55.40 | GePanda | I always thought it'd be on the footprint |
| 02:55.43 | Keyeszx | who said you have to pay |
| 02:55.49 | Keyeszx | how do I make my eye twinkle? |
| 02:55.57 | Keyeszx | with a sly look in my face |
| 02:56.06 | Vailreth | im pissed i may have spelled it wrong but shit last time was the seventh time i have restarted my computer tying to get my wacom tablet working again |
| 02:56.07 | Nash|327 | JADEFACE |
| 02:56.12 | JademusSreg | Hi Nash. |
| 02:56.19 | Nash|327 | IT LIVES |
| 02:56.24 | Keyeszx | a wacom tablet, is it a nice one? |
| 02:56.34 | Vailreth | intuos4 |
| 02:56.40 | JademusSreg | Mmm, I'll be getting one of those soon. |
| 02:56.43 | Nash|327 | Did you see baskerville's nonsensical posts on your Photon Cycles thread? |
| 02:56.50 | JademusSreg | No, haven't seen it. |
| 02:56.56 | JademusSreg | I never read the forums. =D |
| 02:57.09 | JademusSreg | Why? Is it anything worth my attention? |
| 02:57.09 | Keyeszx | No wonder you can't afford 7 :D |
| 02:57.17 | Nash|327 | Well, he edited his previous posts about schnitzel. |
| 02:57.30 | Keyeszx | what is schnitzel? |
| 02:57.30 | JademusSreg | I wasn't aware he made a post about schnitzel. |
| 02:57.31 | Nash|327 | And now it just says "jade is schnitzel" |
| 02:57.41 | Vailreth | it was with a sweet student discount so it wasnt so bad and i got painter 11 for 50$ US |
| 02:57.47 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:58.02 | Keyeszx | How much is the upgrade with student discount? |
| 02:58.03 | Frostwind | funny thing is it would just be easier to help me instead of bitch |
| 02:58.10 | Vailreth | well here comes restart number 8 |
| 02:58.18 | Vailreth | i will check after im back |
| 02:58.24 | Nash|327 | Guy's clearly not playing with a full deck. |
| 02:58.26 | Keyeszx | lol bye |
| 02:58.54 | JademusSreg | Is this me? http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/8/803/how-to-draw-schnitzel-from-chowder.jpg |
| 02:59.16 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I've known he was mentally unsound since his first post on the TL topic. |
| 02:59.19 | Keyeszx | Frostwind: actually funny thing is how inept you are at learning simple things |
| 02:59.28 | JademusSreg | All of his posts and topics there get removed. |
| 02:59.39 | Nash|327 | You're apparently the guy who was sabotaging your map. |
| 02:59.46 | Nash|327 | That makes a whole lot of sense. |
| 02:59.59 | JademusSreg | Yes. That is the most sensible explanation. Just to spite some crazy person. |
| 03:00.12 | Nash|327 | Occam's razor. |
| 03:00.20 | Keyeszx | In the UDK can you just bring in a custom model from say 3ds max that is the whole terrain? |
| 03:00.30 | JademusSreg | I'm going to guess paranoid schizophrenic. |
| 03:00.53 | JademusSreg | Key, I know you can do shit like that in Unity, but I haven't tried that in UDK. |
| 03:01.08 | Keyeszx | Is Unity better than UDK? |
| 03:01.12 | JademusSreg | I don't see any reason why not. |
| 03:01.12 | Keyeszx | is it cheaper? |
| 03:01.14 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 03:01.18 | JademusSreg | Unity is poop. |
| 03:01.24 | JademusSreg | Compared to UDK, anyway. |
| 03:01.46 | Keyeszx | Then why do people use Unity over UDK? It's free until you use it commercially |
| 03:01.51 | JademusSreg | Unity has a free and a pro version. |
| 03:02.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vailreth (~kvirc@75.108.215.142) |
| 03:02.09 | JademusSreg | The free version is kinda crippled, graphically speaking. |
| 03:02.19 | Keyeszx | UDK is free all the time :D |
| 03:02.38 | JademusSreg | Yup. Until you make $50 K USD. |
| 03:02.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:02.44 | Keyeszx | until you make revenue it cost $99 and then once you make $50,000 it cost some royalties |
| 03:03.08 | JademusSreg | They take a quarter, iirc. |
| 03:03.16 | JademusSreg | 1/4 of the profits. |
| 03:03.28 | Keyeszx | I think it's a pretty sweet deal though |
| 03:03.29 | JademusSreg | Which is understandable, given the formidable power of the engine. |
| 03:03.55 | Keyeszx | If you never make $50 k though you don't pay royalties |
| 03:04.00 | JademusSreg | De |
| 03:04.06 | JademusSreg | GePanda,. |
| 03:04.06 | Keyeszx | just the upfront $99 |
| 03:04.14 | GePanda | Yeah |
| 03:04.15 | GePanda | ? |
| 03:04.18 | JademusSreg | Look at the Refinery. |
| 03:04.26 | GePanda | Very closely? |
| 03:04.29 | JademusSreg | Find the field Behavior - Built On |
| 03:04.35 | Nash|327 | Zoom in on it! |
| 03:04.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:04.44 | GePanda | Oh, I've been looking in the wrong place :S |
| 03:04.50 | JademusSreg | Yeah. =D |
| 03:05.03 | GePanda | Thanks a lot :) |
| 03:05.07 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 03:05.40 | Nash|327 | GePanda, by the way: http://i.imgur.com/UxKbL.jpg |
| 03:05.52 | Nash|327 | loading screen in progress D: |
| 03:05.57 | GePanda | :O |
| 03:06.00 | GePanda | Nice stuff |
| 03:06.04 | JademusSreg | Frontline is a good name for the map. |
| 03:06.17 | JademusSreg | It pleases me. |
| 03:06.18 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:06.21 | Nash|327 | I like simple one word titles. |
| 03:06.26 | Nash|327 | Fringe, Frontline |
| 03:06.39 | JademusSreg | Frontlone > Fringe, I must express. |
| 03:06.43 | JademusSreg | *Frontline |
| 03:06.45 | JademusSreg | Fuck. |
| 03:07.17 | Nash|327 | Well Fringe is set on a fringe world, hence the title. |
| 03:08.12 | Nash|327 | I dislike generic titles, especially ______ of the ______ ______ |
| 03:08.19 | Nash|327 | Insert "cool" words. |
| 03:08.39 | Vailreth | windows seven profesional is only 30 bucks for studnets right now |
| 03:08.50 | Keyeszx | Is that too much though? |
| 03:08.51 | JademusSreg | Pontixef Advent: Return of Dominus Yale. |
| 03:08.54 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 03:08.59 | JademusSreg | *Pontifex |
| 03:09.03 | Keyeszx | Vailreth: That's a pretty good price |
| 03:09.05 | Vailreth | at the moment i cant afford it |
| 03:09.09 | JademusSreg | Fucking typos tonight. Wrose than usual. |
| 03:09.16 | Keyeszx | lol |
| 03:09.17 | Nash|327 | Works for a parody map. |
| 03:09.24 | Keyeszx | did you type that on purpose jademus? |
| 03:09.38 | JademusSreg | Yes. It has been a joke since just after beta. |
| 03:09.47 | Vailreth | i might be able too next month |
| 03:09.51 | JademusSreg | It's my AoS/Dota map parody concept. |
| 03:09.58 | Keyeszx | oh |
| 03:10.05 | Vailreth | if the govenment doesnt default on its loans |
| 03:10.05 | Tempest4 | I do not like low settings. |
| 03:10.14 | JademusSreg | So when people talk about how awesome their AoS map is, I talk nonsense about my made up map. |
| 03:10.18 | Keyeszx | You're USA vailreth? |
| 03:10.25 | Vailreth | yes |
| 03:10.39 | Nash|327 | Defense of the Ancients is a crappy title. |
| 03:10.58 | Wiz10011_ | http://poststuff5.entensity.net/072511/skittles.php |
| 03:10.59 | Keyeszx | that's what dota stands for? |
| 03:11.00 | Tempest4 | why does this game have a setting that removes stuff like, all lighting and all particles >> |
| 03:11.03 | Vailreth | i have to agree there Nash |
| 03:11.04 | Keyeszx | dota sounds so much better |
| 03:11.04 | Nash|327 | yes |
| 03:11.27 | Keyeszx | Anyone into modelling? |
| 03:11.35 | JademusSreg | It has loose roots in warcraft lore. |
| 03:11.47 | JademusSreg | Aeon of Strife has stronger roots, though. =D |
| 03:11.51 | Keyeszx | I know the War of the Ancients or something like that |
| 03:11.57 | tordy | i love roots bro |
| 03:12.12 | Keyeszx | well back to looking for 3ds max tuts |
| 03:12.19 | Nash|327 | roots are for Night Elves D: |
| 03:12.20 | JademusSreg | I'm not a modeler, sorry. |
| 03:12.27 | JademusSreg | I just know some modelers. |
| 03:12.34 | tordy | like who |
| 03:12.40 | Vailreth | i have taken modeling classes |
| 03:12.42 | tordy | Otixa left :( |
| 03:12.45 | Vailreth | in college |
| 03:12.52 | JademusSreg | I've managed to pick up on a few things through our discussions. |
| 03:13.06 | JademusSreg | I didn't know Otixa well, so I hardly count him. |
| 03:13.13 | Nash|327 | Otixa smells |
| 03:13.38 | Nash|327 | That's really all that can be said. |
| 03:14.02 | tordy | oh cmon |
| 03:14.06 | tordy | give some credit to Otixa! |
| 03:14.14 | Keyeszx | Otixa also did modcraft with Xaragoth right? |
| 03:14.28 | tordy | yea |
| 03:14.32 | tordy | whatever happened to him |
| 03:14.36 | tordy | briefly came back |
| 03:14.38 | Nash|327 | need to decide on a loading screen size |
| 03:14.38 | tordy | never came back :( |
| 03:14.42 | tordy | ~seen Otixa |
| 03:14.46 | purl | otixa <~Otixa@85.91.150.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11d 15h 11m 38s ago, saying: 'http://www.rosrealt.ru/agentstvo/3586/trast'. |
| 03:14.46 | JademusSreg | He was on just easlier today. |
| 03:14.46 | Keyeszx | I just realized I wasted a whole day playing around UDK and installing 3ds max |
| 03:14.47 | JademusSreg | *earlier |
| 03:14.50 | Nash|327 | and confer with hawker :G |
| 03:14.54 | Keyeszx | I was talking with xaragoth actually |
| 03:15.01 | GePanda | Otixa was in the Heavy Iron beta today |
| 03:15.12 | tordy | and hat happened the consultant |
| 03:15.21 | Vailreth | damn it now i will have to restart AGAIN uninstall the software AGAIN restart AFUCKINGGAIN and Reinstal AGAIN |
| 03:15.34 | JademusSreg | Load screen looks fine. |
| 03:15.46 | Vailreth | if it aint vista its my antiviurs... |
| 03:16.01 | tordy | have you guys seen cicadas at night? |
| 03:16.01 | JademusSreg | Not spectacular given the stock image, but it's a good image. |
| 03:16.07 | Nash|327 | Well, need to pick a texture size |
| 03:16.39 | Nash|327 | dunno if 1024x768 would look crap on high res |
| 03:17.19 | JademusSreg | Put it in a map and let me test it at my resoluation. |
| 03:17.26 | tordy | what's the best type of loading screen image for a melee screen |
| 03:17.44 | tordy | the image contains some text |
| 03:17.47 | tordy | for instructions |
| 03:17.49 | Nash|327 | keke |
| 03:17.52 | tordy | because i want to keep the player loading bars |
| 03:17.58 | tordy | and the only way to do it is to tick melee |
| 03:18.48 | JademusSreg | Couldn't you check the dimensions of a default melee load screen? |
| 03:19.04 | Nash|327 | guess I don't need to convert to DDS for testing, I'll just import TGA |
| 03:19.20 | tordy | seems like the melee loading screen actually changes for different aspect/resolutions |
| 03:19.23 | tordy | it just looks good every time |
| 03:19.27 | tordy | without lookin stretched or anything |
| 03:19.44 | JademusSreg | I've seen some shitty load screens, I must admit. |
| 03:20.00 | Vailreth | well looks like i dont have to be angry anymore |
| 03:20.04 | JademusSreg | But that might be a poor choice of image quality rathert than resolution. |
| 03:20.06 | Vailreth | its all working now again |
| 03:20.06 | tordy | im just trying to get text in the image |
| 03:20.21 | tordy | without making the text look too horribly stretched |
| 03:20.25 | tordy | or covered by loading bars / tips |
| 03:20.31 | JademusSreg | Tordy, make a custom image and make the map use it. |
| 03:20.39 | JademusSreg | I think that's done in Terrain Texture Set. |
| 03:20.44 | tordy | that's what im doin but i cant get it looking right |
| 03:20.49 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
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| 03:20.56 | JademusSreg | What resolution are you using? |
| 03:21.10 | TheFrozenMuffin | hey all |
| 03:21.11 | tordy | 1600x900, 1920x1200 |
| 03:21.13 | Nash|327 | what image scale setting do I use? |
| 03:21.24 | tordy | vary between em to so i can see how it looks at different aspect ratios |
| 03:21.49 | JademusSreg | What is the resolution for the standard load screen? You can see this in the texture previewer. |
| 03:22.08 | JademusSreg | Hi muffin. |
| 03:23.26 | TheFrozenMuffin | I'm checking out some of the beginner tuts at sc2mapster |
| 03:23.29 | Nash|327 | 2048x1160 |
| 03:23.31 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 03:23.45 | TheFrozenMuffin | but wondering if any of you have some tutorials that you would really reccomend? |
| 03:23.52 | JademusSreg | Good. That's the size I use for mine. |
| 03:24.27 | JademusSreg | I can recommend 2. |
| 03:24.36 | tordy | JademusSreg: loves mc |
| 03:24.50 | TheFrozenMuffin | mc? |
| 03:24.59 | JademusSreg | There is one for dds texture formatting, and another for load screen layouts. |
| 03:25.33 | tordy | i should be using dds for loading screens right |
| 03:25.48 | JademusSreg | Yes, but it's not strictly necessary. |
| 03:25.52 | JademusSreg | I do. |
| 03:25.59 | TheFrozenMuffin | textures seem a little too advanced, but the load screen layout would be useful right now. Is there a specific one? |
| 03:26.00 | tordy | just hate how big tgas get |
| 03:26.17 | tordy | 1000+ res tga is ginourmous |
| 03:26.45 | Nash|327 | JademusSreg: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29966228/loadtest.SC2Map |
| 03:26.46 | tordy | this a good tut for load screens? |
| 03:26.46 | tordy | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/15841-tutorial-load-screen-for-all-monitor-types/ |
| 03:27.10 | TheFrozenMuffin | thx |
| 03:27.31 | JademusSreg | Tordy, yes. |
| 03:27.32 | Nash|327 | check if it fills with black on the sides too, and if that looks smooth when transitioning from actual image |
| 03:27.33 | JademusSreg | That's the one. |
| 03:28.33 | TheFrozenMuffin | brcosm's beginner tut is amazing. Not really the stuff in it, but how clearly he does it. very good. |
| 03:28.42 | JademusSreg | Nash, there is a border around the image, roughly one pixel. |
| 03:28.53 | Nash|327 | wait, color on the sides is white? |
| 03:28.55 | JademusSreg | See if it is in the sourcei mage. |
| 03:29.02 | JademusSreg | Color on the sides is balck. |
| 03:29.14 | Nash|327 | ah, that tutorial said white D_D |
| 03:29.21 | JademusSreg | The pixel border appears to be from the csource image, given the color. |
| 03:30.00 | Nash|327 | yeah PS likes to fuck up resizing sometimes |
| 03:30.18 | JademusSreg | I know how that is. |
| 03:30.23 | Nash|327 | the edge is semi-transparent |
| 03:30.29 | Nash|327 | and white background layer |
| 03:30.36 | Nash|327 | just gonna make it black |
| 03:30.59 | JademusSreg | Besides that, it looks fine. |
| 03:31.04 | Nash|327 | ah, cools |
| 03:31.09 | Nash|327 | thanks |
| 03:31.14 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 03:32.00 | Nash|327 | then I just need to ask hawker if credits are okay with him :G |
| 03:32.03 | JademusSreg | It took the rescaling pretty well. And the text at the bottom is the perfect distance away. |
| 03:32.26 | Nash|327 | I used a loading screen image as reference |
| 03:32.44 | Nash|327 | cut out loading bar from it |
| 03:32.50 | Nash|327 | added into image |
| 03:33.46 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:34.35 | Nash|327 | http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Shanaki/Starcraft%20II%20Beta/Screenshot2010-07-2816_42_08.jpg?t=1280386255 |
| 03:35.07 | Nash|327 | same resolution and all ;G |
| 03:36.06 | JademusSreg | I was just thinking that Unity is to UDK what SC2 Editor is to Unity. |
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| 03:37.06 | timecat | http://img.imgcake.com/antigafail1jpgme.jpg |
| 03:37.08 | Nash|327 | It comes with lots of existing resources and examples you can use? :P |
| 03:37.09 | Vailreth | stupid gimp |
| 03:37.12 | timecat | what the fuck is blizzard thinking |
| 03:37.54 | JademusSreg | UDK has more examples than Unity, and they both have much better documentation than the SC2 Editor. |
| 03:38.36 | tordy | timecat did you see this? |
| 03:38.36 | tordy | http://wellplayed.org/forum/general-starcraft-ii/thread/season-3-maps-vol.-1-abyssal-caverns-pro |
| 03:38.50 | tordy | season 3 maps suck xd |
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| 03:42.57 | Vailreth | i think the season three maps are brilliant for pro and really fast good players |
| 03:43.04 | Vailreth | as for me they suck |
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| 03:45.12 | Nash|327 | just make a map with no cliffs or anything |
| 03:45.26 | Nash|327 | flatland |
| 03:45.43 | tordy | but we need more destructable rocks! |
| 03:45.46 | JademusSreg | Haha, it would probably fuck up the AI, for starters. |
| 03:47.11 | Nash|327 | naw, map should just be covered with minerals |
| 03:47.27 | Nash|327 | but each field has low mineral count |
| 03:47.34 | Keyeszx | Is box modeling a good place for a novice? |
| 03:47.45 | Nash|327 | you have to mine your way to the enemy |
| 03:47.56 | Nash|327 | mine your way to a geyser |
| 03:49.10 | JademusSreg | I'm not a modeler, I really couldn't say. |
| 03:49.45 | timecat | season 3 maps suck for all levels of play |
| 03:50.21 | Mephs | look, its fucking tordy |
| 03:50.23 | Nash|327 | disregard melee, acquire custom maps |
| 03:50.25 | Mephs | he doesn't give a SHIT what you think |
| 03:50.34 | tordy | waddup |
| 03:50.44 | timecat | well thats why i stopped laddering |
| 03:50.48 | timecat | i just play customs w/ high masters now |
| 03:51.07 | Mephs | ~tordy |
| 03:51.07 | purl | i heard tordy is not giving a shi |
| 03:51.20 | tordy | ~mephs |
| 03:51.20 | purl | it has been said that mephs is someone with three more yachts than you! |
| 03:51.29 | Mephs | ~vexal |
| 03:51.30 | purl | i heard vexal is a man who likes to eat poop and then poop out the poop and it smells like poop then he eats it again |
| 03:52.48 | *** join/#sc2mapster pirate (185e513d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.94.81.61) |
| 03:52.48 | JademusSreg | purl is Butters. |
| 03:54.46 | pirate | think blizz gonna host another map making contest this year? |
| 03:55.05 | JademusSreg | Hoem uch time until BlizzCon? |
| 03:55.36 | tk404 | b |
| 03:55.44 | tk404 | who cares blizzcon sucks |
| 03:55.59 | pirate | ~3 months |
| 03:56.01 | TheFrozenMuffin | Is wrong requirements usually the only reason for a button not showing up? |
| 03:56.03 | tk404 | what i wana know is how do u make ur bags like in sotis |
| 03:56.09 | Nash|327 | BAGS |
| 03:56.12 | Nash|327 | WITH KITTUNS |
| 03:56.16 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 03:56.23 | pirate | I care. I need to know if I should be promoting maps or hiding them |
| 03:56.34 | tk404 | man |
| 03:56.35 | tk404 | imagine |
| 03:56.48 | tk404 | if EVERYBODY in the world got a single play on your map |
| 03:56.54 | tk404 | would you be embarrased |
| 03:57.01 | tk404 | or not |
| 03:57.04 | pirate | i feel like you're high right now |
| 03:57.11 | tk404 | im not high |
| 03:57.24 | Nash|327 | dude, like, what if, man |
| 03:57.35 | tk404 | but what if all the 6 bill ppl played your map |
| 03:57.42 | tk404 | imagine how popular it will b |
| 03:58.09 | pirate | cool |
| 03:58.13 | Nash|327 | story |
| 03:58.14 | tk404 | aight |
| 03:58.15 | tk404 | imagine |
| 03:58.19 | tk404 | if everybody in new yourk |
| 03:58.20 | tk404 | read your mind |
| 03:59.34 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 03:59.38 | Nash|327 | dude, what if cakes grew on bushes all over |
| 03:59.46 | Nash|327 | you just go out and pick some |
| 03:59.53 | tordy | pRoToSs |
| 03:59.57 | TheFrozenMuffin | too much cake is a bad thing -_- haha |
| 04:00.10 | tordy | too much cheese cake is not a bad thing |
| 04:00.16 | Nash|327 | too much is PER DEFINITION a bad thing |
| 04:00.17 | tordy | bad for your health yea |
| 04:00.20 | tordy | but who cares right |
| 04:00.32 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha, thats different. My wife is a cake maker... can't even look at em now. |
| 04:00.52 | TheFrozenMuffin | ucan have only so much frosting in your lifetime. |
| 04:00.52 | Nash|327 | too much X is a bad thing is a tautology |
| 04:01.05 | Nash|327 | generally devoid of information |
| 04:01.12 | tk404 | so wshat about my mind newyork thingy |
| 04:01.16 | Nash|327 | redundant |
| 04:01.17 | tk404 | no1 is gonna talk about it ?:( |
| 04:01.35 | pirate | this is a sc2 mapping irc |
| 04:01.43 | tordy | but we're talkin about cake |
| 04:01.43 | tk404 | k |
| 04:01.47 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 04:01.50 | Nash|327 | Discuss. |
| 04:01.53 | pirate | thats cuz cake is delicious |
| 04:02.01 | pirate | kittens are also delicious |
| 04:02.08 | tk404 | depends on what kind of cake it is |
| 04:02.10 | TheFrozenMuffin | depends on the type of kitten |
| 04:02.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 04:02.19 | tk404 | not every cake is delicious |
| 04:02.20 | TheFrozenMuffin | tk is in our heads +_+ |
| 04:02.26 | Nash|327 | or moist |
| 04:02.33 | tk404 | like |
| 04:02.36 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 04:02.40 | tk404 | chocolate cake is nasty imo |
| 04:02.43 | tk404 | i hate chocolate cakes |
| 04:02.47 | TheFrozenMuffin | Tres Leches to Pound Cake you mean? |
| 04:02.50 | TheFrozenMuffin | opposite sides |
| 04:02.58 | Nash|327 | I prefer candy |
| 04:03.00 | Nash|327 | or chips |
| 04:03.07 | tk404 | i prefer boobs |
| 04:03.17 | Nash|327 | Bah. |
| 04:03.18 | tk404 | mmmk? |
| 04:03.36 | Nash|327 | Boobs are useless. |
| 04:03.53 | tk404 | no theyre not |
| 04:04.10 | tk404 | you can use them to manage and grow food |
| 04:04.23 | tk404 | and regulate infrastructure |
| 04:04.28 | TheFrozenMuffin | or manage workers |
| 04:04.28 | tk404 | boobs are totally useful |
| 04:04.31 | tk404 | ya |
| 04:04.57 | tk404 | ho who knows elpresador |
| 04:05.03 | TheFrozenMuffin | cup holder |
| 04:05.10 | TheFrozenMuffin | hand warmer |
| 04:05.22 | tk404 | light bulb? |
| 04:05.34 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 04:05.35 | tk404 | elpresador is so fuckin funny |
| 04:06.41 | tk404 | whats the most awesome animal in the world |
| 04:07.02 | tk404 | what do you guys think i think cats are the most awesome |
| 04:07.10 | tk404 | kittens |
| 04:07.34 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 04:08.11 | tk404 | id want a big cat someday tho |
| 04:08.19 | tk404 | as a house cat |
| 04:08.19 | tk404 | like a tiger or a cheetah |
| 04:08.23 | tk404 | that would be so fuckin awesome |
| 04:08.45 | tk404 | i could take it deer hunting and would never have to buy a gun my cat would just catch them deers n shit |
| 04:08.51 | Nash|327 | I want to ride one. |
| 04:09.25 | Nash|327 | I'M ON A TIGER, GTFO MY WAY |
| 04:09.46 | tk404 | riding on a cheetah would b so fun cuz they go 70 miles per hour |
| 04:10.02 | tordy | i can see clearly now the rain is gone! |
| 04:10.28 | tk404 | do u live in utah"? |
| 04:12.55 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 04:12.58 | TheFrozenMuffin | a cheetah? |
| 04:14.13 | tk404 | ya those things are badass |
| 04:16.18 | Nash|327 | any kind of huge 'tun |
| 04:16.40 | Nash|327 | ride around on that and people will stay out of your way |
| 04:16.42 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 04:16.46 | Nash|327 | THEY HAVE RIGHT OF WAY |
| 04:17.57 | pirate | which mpq has the battlenet glue texture/images in them? |
| 04:24.14 | phoenix7700 | anyone help me out with a little problem :D |
| 04:24.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (603128d3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.49.40.211) |
| 04:24.52 | Keyeszx | Triceeron do you know any good tutorials for 3ds max? |
| 04:25.06 | tordy | what the sc2 loading screen imaqges called? |
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| 04:26.21 | phoenix7700 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/23829-creating-a-building-with-limited-range/#p8 |
| 04:26.32 | phoenix7700 | if anyone can help plz! |
| 04:27.40 | Frostwind | weird, you can't edit a button using upgrades yet its listed as an option. failed blizzard |
| 04:27.55 | tordy | loading-x.dds |
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| 04:38.01 | Triceron | tutorials for max? um, try 3d total |
| 04:38.04 | Triceron | 3dtotal.com |
| 04:38.47 | phoenix7700 | meh... |
| 04:38.59 | phoenix7700 | issue order is so fun |
| 04:40.21 | Nash|327 | Yo dawg, I heard you like issue orders, so we put an issue order in your issue order so you can issue orders while you issue orders. |
| 04:40.34 | tordy | what's yall favorite blizz loading screen |
| 04:40.50 | phoenix7700 | damn you nash |
| 04:41.30 | Triceron | Raynor's face |
| 04:41.45 | Nash|327 | An ability with an issue order effect that issues an order to perform an ability with an issue order effect. |
| 04:41.48 | Triceron | that's the only one I remember. |
| 04:43.36 | phoenix7700 | thats almost exactly what im trying to do |
| 04:43.39 | phoenix7700 | but not |
| 04:43.52 | Nash|327 | Xzibit would be so proud. |
| 04:44.14 | phoenix7700 | just wish the build command had validators |
| 04:44.21 | phoenix7700 | then it would be easy |
| 04:45.29 | Nash|327 | Yo dawg, I heard you like yo dawgs, so we put a yo dawg in your yo dawg so you can yo dawg while you yo dawg. |
| 04:46.57 | Nash|327 | Pretend that caption is on a picture of Xzibit holding up a picture with a yo dawg. |
| 04:48.41 | phoenix7700 | damnit |
| 04:48.45 | phoenix7700 | this is so irritating |
| 04:49.14 | phoenix7700 | the issue order work on another spell |
| 04:49.15 | phoenix7700 | WTF! |
| 04:51.39 | Nash|327 | I want to order pizza, and tell them that as topping I want pizza. |
| 04:51.49 | tordy | nash order me some pizza |
| 04:52.04 | phoenix7700 | just order a supreme pizza |
| 04:52.11 | phoenix7700 | and hold the onions |
| 04:52.19 | phoenix7700 | and the sausage |
| 04:52.21 | Nash|327 | NO ONIONS!? |
| 04:52.23 | Nash|327 | wtf |
| 04:52.24 | slightlyrandom | I want onions on my onions |
| 04:52.24 | phoenix7700 | and the green peppers |
| 04:52.30 | Nash|327 | what a shitty pizza |
| 04:52.32 | phoenix7700 | and the peperoni |
| 04:52.39 | phoenix7700 | and the mushrooms |
| 04:52.42 | phoenix7700 | and the cheese |
| 04:52.44 | phoenix7700 | and the saude |
| 04:52.46 | phoenix7700 | sauce |
| 04:52.49 | phoenix7700 | and the dough |
| 04:53.03 | Nash|327 | No, I want a pizza with pizza on it. |
| 04:53.14 | phoenix7700 | get two do it yourself |
| 04:53.27 | Nash|327 | I'm broke ;G |
| 04:53.41 | phoenix7700 | go to wal mart |
| 04:53.54 | slightlyrandom | Make a pizza yourself |
| 04:53.57 | Nash|327 | There is no Walmart. |
| 04:53.59 | slightlyrandom | White pizza, dirt cheap |
| 04:54.25 | slightlyrandom | With potatoes n' rosemary n' lotsa cheese |
| 04:54.35 | Nash|327 | Too expensive. |
| 04:55.42 | slightlyrandom | I can't think of anything cheaper |
| 04:55.52 | slightlyrandom | Apart from rice. Plain rice |
| 04:56.16 | Nash|327 | I'll just eat "random stuff I found in the fridge/freezer and cupboards thrown together" for dinner. |
| 04:56.24 | slightlyrandom | That, or dumpster diving |
| 04:56.34 | slightlyrandom | Useful skill |
| 04:56.45 | slightlyrandom | Stores throw out the most amazing stuff |
| 04:57.07 | Nash|327 | Have some pasta somewhere, some beans, tomato paste, potatoes. |
| 04:57.21 | Nash|327 | I'll just make a soup out of random shit. |
| 04:58.32 | Nash|327 | then I have ramen, some spring rolls and fries left |
| 04:58.53 | Nash|327 | and maybe some other random crap |
| 04:59.19 | Nash|327 | toast with jam for dinner perhaps? |
| 04:59.49 | phoenix7700 | can you help me out nash!? |
| 05:00.22 | Nash|327 | Probably not. |
| 05:00.31 | phoenix7700 | damn |
| 05:00.41 | phoenix7700 | at least you are honest |
| 05:01.03 | Nash|327 | But I don't know all that much of what you're doing. |
| 05:01.18 | Nash|327 | Just some sort of build stuff, I never use build stuff. |
| 05:01.20 | slightlyrandom | What ARE you doing? |
| 05:01.21 | phoenix7700 | trying to make the build command |
| 05:01.26 | phoenix7700 | have a maximum range |
| 05:01.44 | phoenix7700 | so your unit wont go furth than a certain distance to build |
| 05:01.52 | phoenix7700 | here is a thread i made |
| 05:01.52 | phoenix7700 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/23829-creating-a-building-with-limited-range/#p8 |
| 05:01.55 | slightlyrandom | You can trigger that shit |
| 05:02.06 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 05:02.11 | slightlyrandom | Sure you can |
| 05:02.35 | phoenix7700 | because i want the check for maximum range to be when you are selecting the location |
| 05:02.41 | slightlyrandom | On Build Order If Unit Further Away Than X Cancel Order |
| 05:02.49 | phoenix7700 | no see |
| 05:02.52 | phoenix7700 | that does it |
| 05:02.55 | phoenix7700 | then cancels it |
| 05:02.57 | phoenix7700 | i dont want that |
| 05:03.09 | phoenix7700 | cus it'll fuck up the charges, then i have to refund them |
| 05:03.20 | phoenix7700 | too much when you can do it with the data editor |
| 05:03.35 | phoenix7700 | already did one similar |
| 05:03.38 | phoenix7700 | with the move command |
| 05:03.43 | phoenix7700 | and i have it setupt just the same |
| 05:03.46 | slightlyrandom | Give the builder a Pylon like behavior |
| 05:03.52 | phoenix7700 | but instead of issue order move |
| 05:04.15 | phoenix7700 | hmm |
| 05:04.19 | slightlyrandom | So you can only build within the "Power Field" |
| 05:04.24 | phoenix7700 | that would prob work |
| 05:04.48 | slightlyrandom | You'd have to stick the requirement on each building he can make |
| 05:04.53 | slightlyrandom | But yeah |
| 05:05.05 | phoenix7700 | well |
| 05:05.16 | phoenix7700 | would i have to keep the power field there? |
| 05:05.22 | slightlyrandom | Naw |
| 05:05.30 | phoenix7700 | becasue the units are gonna be moving |
| 05:05.34 | slightlyrandom | Only require it for building the thing, not for the building itself |
| 05:05.40 | slightlyrandom | That should be fixable |
| 05:05.42 | phoenix7700 | ok |
| 05:06.02 | allenmelon | woow, assassins looks awesome |
| 05:06.30 | slightlyrandom | Some do, most have terrible fashion sense, though |
| 05:06.37 | slightlyrandom | They just dress in black and call it a day |
| 05:06.46 | phoenix7700 | lololol |
| 05:08.04 | slightlyrandom | Oh My Entropy, it's finally happened |
| 05:09.01 | Nash|327 | viagra just kicked in? |
| 05:12.39 | tordy | uh oh! |
| 05:15.25 | timecat | when initializing a map in the triggers |
| 05:15.47 | timecat | if i set player(triggering player) minerals = 20, will that set all player's minerals to 20? |
| 05:16.01 | timecat | do all players trigger map initialization? |
| 05:16.57 | phoenix7700 | uhh no |
| 05:17.02 | phoenix7700 | no player triggers it |
| 05:17.11 | timecat | ah ok |
| 05:17.14 | phoenix7700 | you can make a loop |
| 05:17.20 | phoenix7700 | and loop through all of them |
| 05:17.25 | timecat | oh a for loop? |
| 05:17.58 | phoenix7700 | that would work |
| 05:18.04 | timecat | ok awesome |
| 05:18.20 | phoenix7700 | make a for loop and use what ever variable you have counting up |
| 05:18.23 | phoenix7700 | as the player |
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| 05:18.46 | phoenix7700 | set player (same as counter in for loop) minerals = 20 |
| 05:19.22 | timecat | yea yea |
| 05:19.32 | timecat | i've used c++ before |
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| 05:27.01 | Nash|327 | C++, bah |
| 05:27.17 | phoenix7700 | that pylon thing works |
| 05:27.18 | phoenix7700 | thanks |
| 05:27.19 | Nash|327 | That's noob stuff compared to GUI BASED SC2 TRIGGERS |
| 05:27.24 | phoenix7700 | lol |
| 05:27.26 | Currydevil | just do pick each player in active players and set minerals to 20 |
| 05:27.27 | phoenix7700 | yep |
| 05:27.28 | timecat | lol its true |
| 05:27.42 | Nash|327 | Any idiot can code C++. |
| 05:27.46 | timecat | i love how trigger debugging is virtually non-existant |
| 05:28.03 | Nash|327 | I debug in my head. |
| 05:28.04 | timecat | and there's no way to step through the triggers |
| 05:28.13 | phoenix7700 | you debugg it by looking at what isn't working right |
| 05:28.17 | timecat | lol |
| 05:28.29 | timecat | i guess sc2 triggers aren't as complicated as c++ code |
| 05:28.32 | Nash|327 | Or you look at it before it starts not working right. |
| 05:28.37 | phoenix7700 | you can put debugg messages in there! |
| 05:28.39 | Nash|327 | And run it in your head. |
| 05:28.49 | timecat | i've been spoiled by ms visual studio |
| 05:28.50 | Nash|327 | Then identify problems that occur. |
| 05:28.58 | phoenix7700 | lol |
| 05:29.05 | phoenix7700 | yep |
| 05:29.15 | phoenix7700 | if you are tron |
| 05:29.17 | Nash|327 | You can step through it inside your head. |
| 05:30.10 | Nash|327 | I've found a bug in a system and solved it while in the shower. |
| 05:30.28 | Nash|327 | When you have the actual code in front of you, it's even easier ;G |
| 05:30.57 | Fenix | So, going sleep =D I've been working for few hours on this: http://i.imgur.com/bsPd2.jpg |
| 05:31.03 | Fenix | an interesting temple =) |
| 05:31.39 | phoenix7700 | it's wrong |
| 05:31.45 | phoenix7700 | everything |
| 05:31.50 | phoenix7700 | start over |
| 05:31.57 | Fenix | my temple? |
| 05:33.04 | Fenix | good night all. |
| 05:34.09 | Currydevil | lol |
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| 05:37.34 | Agouti | the strangest things have a profound impact on ID's popularity |
| 05:37.41 | Agouti | make map dark |
| 05:37.44 | Agouti | rises 3 spots |
| 05:37.49 | Agouti | you can't explain that |
| 05:38.10 | timecat | lol |
| 05:40.17 | Agouti | make significant changes to mechanics |
| 05:40.21 | Agouti | no change |
| 05:40.23 | Agouti | :s |
| 05:41.08 | Agouti | your average gamer is a strange creature |
| 05:41.32 | Nash|327 | Just the teen male mind. |
| 05:41.37 | Nash|327 | Dark = cool. |
| 05:41.51 | Nash|327 | Bright, vivid colors = gay |
| 05:41.57 | timecat | sadly true |
| 05:43.50 | Nash|327 | Homosexuality is just a matter of lumens. |
| 05:44.07 | timecat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyGj2W90t3k |
| 05:44.17 | timecat | awesome tutorial on making your map pretty |
| 05:45.54 | Nash|327 | I will always suck at terrain. |
| 05:46.06 | Nash|327 | So I don't intend to bother improving it. |
| 05:48.01 | Nash|327 | I have a programmer's brain :G |
| 05:48.12 | timecat | lol same |
| 05:48.14 | Nash|327 | I make everything too structured. |
| 05:48.24 | timecat | but i wanna at least try to pretend i can be creative |
| 05:48.27 | Nash|327 | So it doesn't look natural, more like a grid. |
| 05:48.41 | timecat | oh see i'm just not creative at all |
| 05:48.41 | Nash|327 | I can be creative, just not artistic. |
| 05:48.50 | timecat | i mean artistic yea |
| 05:49.53 | Nash|327 | I can write books. |
| 05:50.03 | Nash|327 | But I can't draw worth shit. |
| 05:50.37 | Nash|327 | All I can draw decently is one-point or two-point perspective of box-like shapes. |
| 05:50.44 | Nash|327 | Using rulers. |
| 05:52.26 | Nash|327 | even my signature is just me writing my name in block letters |
| 05:53.06 | Nash|327 | My brain is just not capable of producing things lacking structure :G |
| 06:05.04 | pirate | how do you enter strings in galaxy o.O |
| 06:05.31 | Nash|327 | COSMIC STRINGS IN THE GALAXY |
| 06:05.34 | pirate | right |
| 06:05.44 | pirate | in the libNtve SetDialogItemText |
| 06:06.42 | Nash|327 | "motherfucking strings"? |
| 06:07.36 | pirate | failed to compile: parameter rtpe does not match the function definition |
| 06:09.16 | Nash|327 | Because you're trying to enter a string as text ;G |
| 06:11.29 | pirate | its text |
| 06:11.29 | pirate | though |
| 06:11.39 | Nash|327 | string is not text |
| 06:11.48 | pirate | i am aware |
| 06:12.05 | pirate | but the setdialogitemtext function says it wants text |
| 06:12.30 | pirate | text lp_text |
| 06:12.58 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 06:13.08 | Nash|327 | NYAN NYAN NYAN |
| 06:13.52 | timecat | dammit now i want a poptart |
| 06:16.56 | Nash|327 | timecat D: |
| 06:18.56 | Nash|327 | timecat is not subject to linear time |
| 06:19.08 | Nash|327 | timecat has had or will have a poptart |
| 06:19.13 | Nash|327 | and therefore has a poptart |
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| 06:20.01 | Tempest04 | hello again, tempest with another questionn, How do you disable move on right click |
| 06:20.05 | timecat | :O |
| 06:20.21 | timecat | disable the move command from the unit's command card? |
| 06:21.14 | Nash|327 | Can you make Move not smart-cast? |
| 06:21.23 | Tempest04 | no, command card doesnt do it |
| 06:21.54 | Tempest04 | iono |
| 06:22.16 | Nash|327 | check if move ability has smart-cast flags etc |
| 06:22.23 | timecat | i did |
| 06:22.38 | timecat | the move ability gives you nothing to work w/ |
| 06:23.07 | Nash|327 | then make a dummy ability with a nonsense effect that targets point |
| 06:23.13 | Nash|327 | and make THAT smart cast |
| 06:23.22 | Tempest04 | ok it worked |
| 06:23.24 | Tempest04 | found trigger |
| 06:23.29 | timecat | oh? |
| 06:23.40 | Tempest04 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.52 | Nash|327 | oh |
| 06:23.56 | Nash|327 | how trivial |
| 06:24.43 | Nash|327 | people like data only solutions, but sometimes they are just wasteful and stupid ;G |
| 06:25.43 | Tempest04 | i wonder what this does UI - Disable Modifiers for (All players) |
| 06:29.33 | Nash|327 | Well, if I'd have to venture a guess, I'd say it disables modifiers for all players. |
| 06:29.38 | Nash|327 | But that's just a theory. |
| 06:30.06 | timecat | i'm gonna try to emulate the HDR in avatar |
| 06:30.11 | timecat | this is gonna be tricky... |
| 06:30.33 | JademusSreg | Bac. |
| 06:34.16 | Nash|327 | Your Highness is not very good. |
| 06:34.36 | Nash|327 | James Franco seems like he doesn't really give a shit. |
| 06:34.41 | Nash|327 | Barely trying. |
| 06:34.55 | Nash|327 | The humor is juvenile. |
| 06:35.31 | Tempest04 | whats a modifier |
| 06:35.38 | Tempest04 | if not Shift, Alt, and Ctrl |
| 06:35.58 | Nash|327 | A thing that modifies another thing. |
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| 06:46.34 | JademusSreg | No surprise there. |
| 06:48.41 | Nash|327 | Hmm? |
| 06:52.49 | Nash|327 | Not even Natalie Portman and Zooey Deschanel can save this movie D_D |
| 06:57.14 | JademusSreg | I assumed it was another lame stoner film. |
| 06:57.53 | *** part/#sc2mapster Saeris (~Saeris@c-50-131-36-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:58.49 | Nash|327 | not so much stoning |
| 07:02.04 | Nash|327 | nobody's been stoned yet, but a lot of sex jokes |
| 07:02.36 | Nash|327 | But stonings can be funny. Life of Brian, need I say more? |
| 07:02.56 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 07:03.26 | JademusSreg | I wish someone had stoned to death whoever was responsible for Grandma's Boy. |
| 07:03.48 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Unreal Engine is used in a lot of FPS and TPS games. |
| 07:03.49 | Nash|327 | EAT STRAWBERRY FLAVORED COKE FOAM |
| 07:03.51 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 07:03.55 | Nash|327 | IT IS EPIC |
| 07:04.10 | JademusSreg | I'm wondering if it is the platform I want for a platformer. |
| 07:04.28 | Nash|327 | 3D platformer? |
| 07:04.35 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 07:04.39 | JademusSreg | Well. |
| 07:04.57 | JademusSreg | More like 2D, but with pretty 3d graphics. |
| 07:05.11 | JademusSreg | 3D platformers are a goddamn pain to play. |
| 07:05.48 | JademusSreg | Additionally, it would take some of the personality out of the game. |
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| 07:06.33 | thekill | sup |
| 07:06.39 | thekill | remember my old problem? |
| 07:06.47 | Nash|327 | no |
| 07:07.01 | thekill | i made item weapons |
| 07:07.08 | thekill | i want them to stack |
| 07:07.09 | thekill | how do u do it |
| 07:07.14 | thekill | something about attack speed multiplyer? |
| 07:07.19 | thekill | who suggested that? |
| 07:07.42 | JademusSreg | You want item weapons to stack? In what sense? |
| 07:07.48 | timecat | so you want multiple weapons to fire at the same time? |
| 07:08.07 | timecat | if so go look up how the campaign goliath worked |
| 07:08.53 | thekill | ok |
| 07:09.01 | thekill | here is the problem |
| 07:09.04 | Nash|327 | more pewpew |
| 07:09.15 | thekill | i made it so that my hero has inventory right? |
| 07:09.22 | thekill | then i made items that when u pick em up they attack |
| 07:09.25 | thekill | with attacks |
| 07:09.50 | thekill | k if i put more then 1 of the same item the effect is as good as just 1 |
| 07:10.16 | thekill | like if i put 2 of my viking missiles item i made it only deploys the effect of only 1 |
| 07:10.31 | thekill | its bullcrap |
| 07:10.37 | timecat | so you want multiple weapons to attack at the same time |
| 07:10.48 | thekill | multiple weapons of the same time |
| 07:11.05 | timecat | go figure out how the campaign goliath did it |
| 07:11.18 | thekill | campaign goliath? |
| 07:11.20 | thekill | wha? |
| 07:11.23 | thekill | whats that |
| 07:11.31 | timecat | exactly how it sounds |
| 07:11.38 | Deaod | theres a unit in the campaign, called goliath |
| 07:11.40 | Nash|327 | It's a magical creature from a distant land |
| 07:11.40 | thekill | u mean the merc goliath? |
| 07:11.46 | thekill | oh.. |
| 07:11.46 | timecat | no |
| 07:11.49 | Deaod | it can attack air and ground at the same time |
| 07:11.52 | timecat | ^ |
| 07:11.53 | thekill | oh.. |
| 07:11.56 | thekill | rly? |
| 07:11.58 | thekill | didnt know |
| 07:11.59 | Deaod | yes |
| 07:12.04 | Nash|327 | BY THE POWER OF MAGIC |
| 07:12.05 | timecat | imagine that in multiplayer |
| 07:12.09 | timecat | op as fuck |
| 07:12.13 | thekill | hehe when i played campaign i didnt notice |
| 07:12.18 | thekill | no it wouldnt |
| 07:12.20 | timecat | it was an upgrade you had to get |
| 07:12.21 | thekill | why op? |
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| 07:12.35 | tordy | sup dudes |
| 07:12.46 | thekill | it wouldnt b op |
| 07:13.11 | thekill | not as roaches atleast |
| 07:13.44 | Nash|327 | Fetch me a kittun. |
| 07:14.53 | timecat | thekill how much do you ladder |
| 07:14.56 | timecat | and what league are you |
| 07:15.44 | thekill | plat |
| 07:17.05 | thekill | -.- |
| 07:17.13 | thekill | deaod |
| 07:17.17 | thekill | are you trolling me? |
| 07:17.30 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 07:17.39 | JademusSreg | There is an upgrade that enables it. |
| 07:17.43 | thekill | that golliath doesnt attack ground and air at the same time |
| 07:17.44 | thekill | what? |
| 07:17.45 | JademusSreg | See what the upgrade does. |
| 07:17.50 | thekill | oh.. |
| 07:17.52 | thekill | duhl.. |
| 07:18.00 | Nash|327 | IT ATTACKS GROUND AND AIR WITH KITTUNS |
| 07:18.07 | thekill | right.. |
| 07:18.11 | thekill | whats it called |
| 07:18.40 | JademusSreg | It will be linked to the Goliath, I expect. |
| 07:18.52 | timecat | you gotta add the campaign dependency first |
| 07:18.53 | JademusSreg | So it will be in that bottom left frame. |
| 07:20.14 | thekill | the dependency is added ya |
| 07:25.42 | thekill | oh |
| 07:25.44 | thekill | i c it |
| 07:25.50 | thekill | multilock weapon system or something |
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| 07:38.07 | timecat | hmm my shark keeps swimming through the cliff wall |
| 07:38.17 | timecat | dunno what to do about that |
| 07:39.06 | Nash|327 | the shark is just an actor, it has no collision/AI |
| 07:39.34 | JademusSreg | Zug zug |
| 07:39.37 | timecat | ah ic |
| 07:39.46 | thekill | no didnt work |
| 07:39.48 | tordy | hey JademusSreg |
| 07:39.56 | JademusSreg | Hi tordy. |
| 07:39.59 | tordy | say zug zug again i dare you double dare you! |
| 07:40.02 | thekill | that multilock thing from goliath didnt work |
| 07:40.34 | JademusSreg | Say zug zug again motherfucker! I dare you. I double dog dare you. Say zug zug one more time. |
| 07:40.46 | Nash|327 | zug zug |
| 07:40.53 | thekill | yo |
| 07:40.56 | tordy | how do i make it so attacks from air units will ignore shields? |
| 07:41.09 | tordy | but attacks from ground units will not |
| 07:41.31 | tordy | im replicating the tempest unit |
| 07:41.35 | JademusSreg | If anyone didn't catch that reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snW3cM1KipQ |
| 07:41.38 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 07:42.01 | tordy | this unit |
| 07:42.01 | tordy | http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Tempest |
| 07:42.16 | timecat | is it possible to symmentrically duplicate areas of the map? |
| 07:42.25 | thekill | yo |
| 07:42.57 | thekill | deaod |
| 07:43.00 | thekill | ddint work |
| 07:43.01 | Deaod | ? |
| 07:43.02 | JademusSreg | Time for sleep. |
| 07:43.07 | tordy | nooooooooo |
| 07:43.09 | tordy | dont sleep yet! |
| 07:43.15 | JademusSreg | It's nearly 4am here. |
| 07:43.24 | JademusSreg | Which has become by usual sleep time. |
| 07:43.31 | tordy | mine too |
| 07:43.32 | tordy | im est |
| 07:43.38 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 07:43.39 | tordy | but guess what time i sleep? |
| 07:43.46 | tordy | afternoon |
| 07:43.47 | tordy | <_< |
| 07:44.00 | JademusSreg | Which province / state? |
| 07:44.19 | tordy | nyc |
| 07:44.36 | JademusSreg | Ah, 3 of my favorite bands come from that region. |
| 07:44.37 | tordy | so bout that tempest |
| 07:44.42 | tordy | i know there's a flag for ignoring shields |
| 07:45.24 | JademusSreg | I'm not aware of that flag. |
| 07:45.39 | tordy | or somewher |
| 07:46.38 | JademusSreg | checks. |
| 07:47.11 | tordy | does the tempest look exactly like the carrier cept blue tint? |
| 07:47.12 | tordy | http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/7/7a/Tempest_SC2_GameAnim1.gif |
| 07:47.24 | JademusSreg | Yeah, haha. |
| 07:48.20 | JademusSreg | tordy, there's no flag in the damage effect for ignoring shields. |
| 07:48.37 | JademusSreg | Could be a damage response, though. |
| 07:48.48 | JademusSreg | Anyway, sleep time. |
| 07:49.43 | thekill | that carrier looks fuckin badass |
| 07:50.05 | thekill | they shoulda made carrier that way |
| 07:51.13 | tordy | ninja carrier |
| 07:52.22 | thekill | yo you know that inventory thing |
| 07:52.26 | thekill | that show u the bags |
| 07:52.32 | thekill | well its like.. |
| 07:52.33 | thekill | nvm |
| 07:52.34 | thekill | hold on |
| 07:55.10 | Nash|327 | no absorb shields flag does exist |
| 07:55.33 | Nash|327 | JademusSreg, I am disappoint. |
| 08:00.42 | timecat | there's no way to make a pool is there |
| 08:03.09 | Nash|327 | Pool's closed. |
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| 08:11.40 | thekill | guys |
| 08:11.49 | thekill | how do i make items effects stack from the same item |
| 08:12.10 | thekill | oh how about |
| 08:12.18 | thekill | how do i make items that add health to ur hero |
| 08:13.54 | Clord | http://www.shacknews.com/article/69434/moveme-hits-playstation-store-today-free-teachers-and-students |
| 08:14.04 | Clord | it is not bad enough that it looks like sex toy |
| 08:14.08 | Clord | now they have "Move.me" |
| 08:14.09 | Clord | XD |
| 08:14.55 | Nash|327 | guess anything looks like a sex toy to Clord |
| 08:15.22 | Nash|327 | He sees something and it's "Oh, I wonder if that fits." |
| 08:15.57 | Clord | Nash is again standard asshole XD |
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| 08:16.07 | Clord | ignored |
| 08:16.21 | Nash|327 | Only 99% of the time. |
| 08:16.23 | timecat | @thekill: spend at least 20 min before you ask us |
| 08:16.29 | Nash|327 | I must work to be more annoying. |
| 08:16.34 | timecat | its better to figure out stuff for yourself |
| 08:17.12 | Nash|327 | Sense of humor is optional, I guess. |
| 08:18.44 | Clord | some are not good in that naturally XD |
| 08:18.52 | Clord | but then again they are not usually mappers |
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| 08:19.04 | Nash|327 | Some people can't take jokes, some people can't take criticism. |
| 08:19.30 | Nash|327 | Can't spend all my time trying to figure out what the hell is acceptable to say to whom. |
| 08:19.51 | Clord | anyways |
| 08:20.00 | Clord | I wonder one thing on this channel over and over |
| 08:20.08 | Clord | why Nash is American redneck racist? |
| 08:20.20 | Clord | and I'm not even joking here lol |
| 08:20.39 | Nash|327 | No, he's just a dumbass. |
| 08:21.26 | Nash|327 | 0 out of 3. |
| 08:22.25 | timecat | how do i create no build zones |
| 08:22.35 | Nash|327 | Magic. |
| 08:22.39 | Nash|327 | And pathing tool. |
| 08:23.51 | Clord | check out the paint tool in the editor... it paints where units can go and even where can be built |
| 08:23.58 | Clord | I think second part is also true |
| 08:24.03 | Clord | never tested if that works actually XD |
| 08:25.21 | Nash|327 | That's the Finnish Yoda version of what I said. |
| 08:26.12 | Clord | but I know that blocking painter works at least |
| 08:26.59 | Nash|327 | Stupid painters standing in the way, go back to your gallery. |
| 08:32.05 | azk | do they fix the cable? |
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| 08:37.32 | mapsterman | sup |
| 08:38.03 | mapsterman | anyone? |
| 08:38.54 | Nash|327 | no |
| 08:38.57 | Nash|327 | no sups |
| 08:39.33 | Nash|327 | it's not supper time! |
| 08:40.26 | mapsterman | meh |
| 08:40.42 | Nash|327 | Meh? MEH!? |
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| 08:40.50 | Nash|327 | That's all you have to say? |
| 08:41.00 | Nash|327 | Pearls before swine. |
| 08:43.09 | Nash|327 | Fuck it I'll just take a powernap and shit. |
| 08:44.01 | timecat | DYK the editor has a diablo lord of terror model |
| 08:44.07 | timecat | its pretty sick |
| 08:44.57 | azk | TIL |
| 08:45.02 | mapsterman | :/ |
| 09:04.19 | timecat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hrfZXacn6w |
| 09:05.02 | timecat | i don't always listen to trance |
| 09:05.04 | timecat | oh wait i do |
| 09:05.11 | azk | lol |
| 09:05.24 | timecat | sick track tho |
| 09:05.36 | azk | I'll take your word for it |
| 09:05.55 | azk | not really a good idea of blasting the workplace with trance |
| 09:06.11 | timecat | dw your coworkers will thank you |
| 09:10.48 | azk | works at an insane asylum |
| 09:14.07 | ducky | ummm.. waht?! |
| 09:15.14 | ducky | horray for b-net mantience! Suddenly SCII turned into a "Starters Edition"... And now I can't even test document.. CURSES BLIZZARD!!! |
| 09:15.47 | Jum-Jum | huh what? |
| 09:15.57 | Clord | anti piracy methods punishing legitimate users |
| 09:15.59 | Clord | old story lol |
| 09:16.06 | Clord | has been told quite long time |
| 09:16.20 | Clord | it already started to happen when games was still all in 2D |
| 09:16.46 | ducky | I thought they fixed it awhile ago.. i guess i was wrong |
| 09:16.54 | Clord | early anti piracy methods was to ask for example random information what can be checked from manual in every launch of the game |
| 09:19.28 | ducky | ok, restarting editor helped.. It appears that this limitation was imposed on me cause I tried to publish while b-net was off |
| 09:19.58 | statharas | Awesome |
| 09:20.14 | statharas | Remember how each project can't find modelers to work on the models needed |
| 09:20.17 | statharas | :O? |
| 09:20.41 | ducky | Modelers/Artists, a valuable resource in theese parts |
| 09:20.44 | statharas | Mine is the exact opposite. We have 3 modelers and none of the rest of the spots covered :v |
| 09:21.57 | azk | Hmm |
| 09:22.06 | ducky | rest of the spots? maybe you're too ambitious and/or having too high demands for your positions? :D |
| 09:22.29 | azk | is there a way to test for which player is running the code? |
| 09:23.13 | ducky | is there a way to specify which player runs code? >.< |
| 09:23.33 | ducky | isn't code run for all players >.> |
| 09:24.27 | ducky | i seem to enjoy this type of smileys >.> <.< |
| 09:24.47 | azk | hmm let me try to clarify |
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| 09:25.43 | azk | I want to trigger a debug for only player 7, the rest should not output debugs |
| 09:27.07 | ducky | ugh.. you want trigger debugger to show only triggers involving P7? |
| 09:27.16 | timecat | how do you adjust the HDR, lighting, specular, etc of the map? |
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| 09:28.29 | azk | ducky: no, I want the debugger only to write to P7's machine |
| 09:32.07 | ducky | well, i've got absolutely no Idea what you want. Is there debugger other than built-in "trigger debugger"? Did you build your own debug system? |
| 09:32.14 | tordy | in the red! |
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| 09:36.48 | statharas | ducky, i haven't found anyone interested :v |
| 09:37.05 | statharas | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/modification-development-presentation-664/recruiting-koprulu-incident-wos-199791/ <- this |
| 09:39.35 | azk | ambitious |
| 09:39.38 | azk | to say the least |
| 09:39.49 | azk | ducky: nvm I'll try to hack at this when I get home :) |
| 09:39.52 | Blub\w | errr |
| 09:39.56 | Blub\w | as a "starcraft 2 mod"? |
| 09:40.11 | Blub\w | however that's gonna be "mmorpg" :P |
| 09:44.17 | Clord | lol |
| 09:44.25 | timecat | wow hf with that |
| 09:44.28 | Clord | it is hard to find good artists but there is shitload of graphic artists |
| 09:44.29 | ducky | whoa.. yeah, this is a massive undertaking.. how long would it take to make this? a year or two? besides your gameplay description hints that you mainily have ideas and "vision" but not .. i dunno, a documentation on what you're going to need? |
| 09:44.33 | timecat | to create something halfway decent you'll need a few years |
| 09:44.57 | timecat | tbh i'd just wait until both sc2 expansions come out |
| 09:46.40 | Clord | actually if someone does really project what takes until release... years... it is better to start early |
| 09:46.40 | Clord | lol |
| 09:46.46 | Clord | and that early is long gone |
| 09:49.12 | ducky | actually.. yeah by the time LotV hits us I hope blizzard will complete editor, also, custom scene will probably move up abit in it's standarts and quality, so what now may seem coll, later might be .. obsolete. Thought if you want to make somethink grand it wouldn't hurt to start planning and schieming now |
| 09:50.18 | Clord | also... if want change to make it to be popular in SCII after years with releasing first map... you gotta charge from it that people even notice en masse |
| 09:52.00 | ducky | Or if you want to make popular map, just make nexus wars or marine arena. Thanks to their simplicity thoose map will live long in popularity list |
| 09:52.41 | Hati-Laptop | new humble bundle |
| 09:53.57 | Clord | TCG.... |
| 09:53.59 | Clord | lol |
| 09:54.10 | Clord | many play THE Card Game and it is quite popular as it is relaxing |
| 09:54.14 | Clord | many ladder players love it |
| 09:55.10 | Clord | there is some dude who boast that he and his friend has 80:4 win/lose ration in TCG XD |
| 09:55.17 | ducky | I don't remember seing it on EU list last time i was on B-net |
| 09:56.01 | Clord | well first of all.. somehow it does not show in custom category |
| 09:58.28 | Clord | yeah it is weird really |
| 09:58.34 | Clord | it only shows itself in all category |
| 09:58.36 | Clord | yet in USA side |
| 09:58.43 | Clord | it also show itself in custom category |
| 09:58.47 | Clord | shows... |
| 10:02.28 | Clord | damn youtube |
| 10:03.34 | statharas | ducky, stuff will change as the mod changes |
| 10:04.25 | statharas | And a playable version, roughly in 4 months. Not sure if it will need more time, but i am pretty sure that in at least a year we can have a stable version |
| 10:07.02 | ducky | good to know, will be interesting to have both this and StarcraftUniverse. Good luck in finding interested people.. |
| 10:07.51 | Clord | current trend in battle.net is kinda... whichever comes first dominates the playstyle |
| 10:10.07 | statharas | Yeah |
| 10:10.16 | statharas | this is why i put quality over quantity |
| 10:10.55 | statharas | the first batch of the game will only have like... up to level 5, and the first Sub-Epic dungeons |
| 10:11.04 | statharas | that you can farm to be prepared for the next batch |
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| 12:48.59 | Nash|327 | I return. |
| 12:49.04 | Nash|327 | From job interview. |
| 12:51.11 | Deaod | how did it go? |
| 12:51.47 | Nash|327 | Good. |
| 12:52.00 | Nash|327 | I mean, it's not like job interviews are hard. |
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| 12:57.20 | mapsterman | yo xenox101 whats your map called |
| 12:57.29 | mapsterman | I tried pplaying it couldnt find |
| 12:57.59 | Nash|327 | If you couldn't find it how did you manage to try playing it? |
| 13:00.11 | mapsterman | what |
| 13:00.54 | Jum-Jum | http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/forum/topic/2878771297 |
| 13:00.56 | Jum-Jum | Sneaky Sixen! |
| 13:13.19 | HP-X|Arthas | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15224363/kylpasta.jpg |
| 13:13.26 | HP-X|Arthas | what kind of thermal paste is that? |
| 13:13.30 | HP-X|Arthas | compound |
| 13:13.52 | HP-X|Arthas | anyone knows? |
| 13:14.17 | HP-X|Arthas | Nash|327: nice, what job did you apply for? =) |
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| 13:15.00 | HP-X|Arthas | also, Nash|327 Jum-Jum etc. anyone here that lives in stockholm and knows someone who have an appartment / room for rent |
| 13:15.27 | Nash|327 | well Ericsson, C programming |
| 13:15.38 | Nash|327 | via Elan IT |
| 13:16.10 | HP-X|Arthas | Ah, nice one :) |
| 13:16.34 | HP-X|Arthas | my first thought was tieto though :p |
| 13:16.38 | HP-X|Arthas | when i read ericsson |
| 13:17.06 | Nash|327 | I have 3 potential jobs at Ericsson, 1 at Volvo. |
| 13:17.21 | Nash|327 | We shall see how it turns out. |
| 13:17.43 | HP-X|Arthas | sounds nice :) |
| 13:18.06 | Nash|327 | Gothenburg: Do you want to work at Volvo or Ericsson? |
| 13:18.15 | HP-X|Arthas | oh |
| 13:18.16 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 13:18.20 | HP-X|Arthas | i already had a job :p |
| 13:18.33 | HP-X|Arthas | or well, i will next week |
| 13:18.57 | Nash|327 | Feels like every job is Volvo or Ericsson, just different consulting firms. |
| 13:19.12 | HP-X|Arthas | Consulting firms |
| 13:19.15 | HP-X|Arthas | How I hate thee |
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| 13:20.36 | Nash|327 | Volvo IT and Ericsson want all the IT people. |
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| 13:21.03 | Nash|327 | Think it's mostly just a matter of picking one for me. |
| 13:21.47 | Nash|327 | Gotta make my mind up, what job should I taaaaake? |
| 13:24.46 | HP-X|Arthas | which one seems more interesting? |
| 13:25.31 | HP-X|Arthas | i know tieto did cellphone stuff up here |
| 13:25.40 | HP-X|Arthas | which itself is interesting, but im not sure what elan does :p |
| 13:27.02 | Nash|327 | I find it near impossible to tell what would be more interesting. |
| 13:28.34 | Nash|327 | Most job ads contain little to no information. |
| 13:29.15 | Nash|327 | They're like "we are looking for blah blah". |
| 13:29.24 | Nash|327 | WELL WHAT IS THE JOB ABOUT!? |
| 13:30.23 | HP-X|Arthas | yup |
| 13:30.31 | HP-X|Arthas | "Salary according to agreement" |
| 13:30.36 | HP-X|Arthas | Why, thank you. |
| 13:31.21 | Nash|327 | Well I expect 27000. |
| 13:32.15 | HP-X|Arthas | in gothen |
| 13:32.18 | HP-X|Arthas | gothenburg* |
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| 13:32.41 | HP-X|Arthas | you have your degree already? |
| 13:32.47 | Nash|327 | it's a seller's market right now |
| 13:32.50 | Nash|327 | almost |
| 13:33.13 | Nash|327 | my thesis is on hold because my thesis supervisor is never around |
| 13:33.42 | Nash|327 | and need 1 exam of some random math stuff |
| 13:34.07 | HP-X|Arthas | aight :) |
| 13:34.12 | HP-X|Arthas | well 27k sounds about right |
| 13:34.23 | HP-X|Arthas | up north its a little less |
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| 13:35.09 | Nash|327 | SHOW ME THE MONEY |
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| 13:35.42 | HP-X|Arthas | greed is good |
| 13:36.52 | Nash|327 | When I get my paycheck I'll go from broke to RICH! |
| 13:37.10 | Nash|327 | FUCK YEAH 27000!! I CAN BUY EVERYTHING! |
| 13:37.34 | Nash|327 | (buys pizzas and beer) |
| 13:37.50 | azk | sounds about right |
| 13:39.08 | Nash|327 | a new monitor able to display the color red might be nice too |
| 13:39.51 | Nash|327 | I'm going to have so much money to pile up. |
| 13:41.00 | Nash|327 | I have such simple inexpensive needs. |
| 13:41.25 | Nash|327 | Gonna make craploads and have nothing to buy for it. |
| 13:49.33 | Nash|327 | I need a sleeps and a foods. |
| 14:06.42 | Statharas | Eat shit and die... |
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| 14:38.29 | Vailreth | hello folks |
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| 15:12.36 | Keyeszx | Morning sc2mapster IRC |
| 15:14.59 | Keyeszx | olly olly oxen free |
| 15:15.26 | Vailreth | hey |
| 15:15.52 | Vailreth | you wouldnt know how to refrence the value of a data field in a Text Actor would you? |
| 15:15.52 | Keyeszx | yay someone's alive |
| 15:16.16 | Keyeszx | sorry I don't think so |
| 15:16.46 | Keyeszx | could it be similar to referencing a data field in the tooltip? |
| 15:17.02 | Vailreth | i would think so but i dont know that either |
| 15:17.13 | Keyeszx | I think OneTwo has a tutorial on it |
| 15:17.17 | Keyeszx | give me a sec |
| 15:20.16 | Vailreth | i found it thanks for telling me about it |
| 15:20.31 | Keyeszx | Darn it took me longer than I expected |
| 15:20.43 | Keyeszx | It's probably one of his few written tutorials |
| 15:21.34 | Vailreth | i am working on an attribute that gives +damage as critical hits that will both be stacked and have an effect that some heros will have upgrades to increase |
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| 15:30.11 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 15:33.35 | Keyeszx | morning |
| 15:35.57 | JademusSreg | People having fun this morning? =D |
| 15:38.15 | Vailreth | i hopes |
| 15:38.19 | Vailreth | hope so |
| 15:46.09 | Vailreth | drat it doesnt seem to work |
| 15:47.57 | Vailreth | ah got it working |
| 16:00.40 | Keyeszx | I just watch a hilarious video |
| 16:00.49 | Keyeszx | so I guess I'm having fun this morning |
| 16:10.45 | JademusSreg | Playing Crayon Physics Delux. |
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| 16:13.56 | Wiz10011 | Hello. |
| 16:19.27 | Vailreth | any one know if you can have nested text styles in sc2? |
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| 16:35.28 | Vailreth | Hey Xor |
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| 17:23.22 | ducky | ah,Desert Strike, Nexus Wars, the marvels of sc2 mapmaking, according to blizzard .. don't know why but i feel like i died a bit inside.. |
| 17:24.48 | ducky | good thing europenian description differs from russian one.. One more reason not to watch Rus b-net forums =D |
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| 17:53.59 | Keyeszx | Oly Oly Oxen Free |
| 18:01.12 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 18:01.24 | Wiz10011 | Hello. |
| 18:01.33 | Vailreth | I wish there were a faster method of what i am doing |
| 18:02.20 | Wiz10011 | I wish there was a easier way to learn the SC2 editor. |
| 18:02.30 | Wiz10011 | But alas that cant be! |
| 18:03.45 | burne- | I just wish I had more time |
| 18:03.47 | Vailreth | no learning it is hard and time consuming ive been using it for a year and still i have issues |
| 18:03.55 | burne- | beach volley sucked 4h of my life again |
| 18:04.02 | burne- | now I got 1 time for mapping :/ |
| 18:05.17 | Vailreth | i have too much time so i dont work on it enough |
| 18:05.23 | Wiz10011 | Vail, I tried three times at making maps, it's always the data editor that gets me lost, Terraining is easy as hell, Triggering, I have a small concept of it, But the data editor just makes me crack each and every time. |
| 18:05.46 | burne- | you dont need data that much if you really dont want to use it |
| 18:05.57 | burne- | like I do most of stuff with triggers cause I hate data so much |
| 18:06.00 | Vailreth | terraining is hard as marble for me |
| 18:06.15 | Vailreth | triggers case lag... |
| 18:06.17 | burne- | allthoufor some cases I use data for efficient useability |
| 18:06.22 | burne- | not really |
| 18:06.26 | Vailreth | yes really |
| 18:06.32 | Wiz10011 | Yea it does burne, |
| 18:06.32 | burne- | depends on your triggers |
| 18:06.36 | Vailreth | at least on my mahine |
| 18:06.46 | burne- | If you do shitty triggers it will lagg |
| 18:07.06 | burne- | Iv had 0 lagg issus at my computer with 90% trigger based maps |
| 18:07.26 | burne- | if you have a really shitty computer I cant help your lagg |
| 18:07.26 | Wiz10011 | But to my knowledge you cant do things like shops, heros or the such from triggers. |
| 18:07.29 | Vailreth | i cant play trigger heavy maps because they bog down so quick |
| 18:08.07 | burne- | well making a hero only requires you to add 1 behaviour to unit and flag it as hero |
| 18:08.09 | burne- | not so hard to make a hero with data |
| 18:08.10 | Vailreth | hell i cant even run 1 periodic event in a map |
| 18:08.25 | burne- | rofl |
| 18:08.32 | Wiz10011 | let me rephrase, hero with abilties different from those from the heros in SC2 campaign. |
| 18:09.01 | burne- | well dunno what exactly you mean |
| 18:09.11 | burne- | but my heroes are pretty much triggers only |
| 18:09.19 | burne- | I set tolltips etc...with triggers |
| 18:09.23 | Wiz10011 | custom abilities, like those from Wc3 dota, (only using it as a example) |
| 18:09.30 | burne- | yeeees |
| 18:09.44 | Wiz10011 | to my knowledge thats all done in data |
| 18:10.04 | burne- | it can be done in data it can be done with triggers |
| 18:10.20 | burne- | ofc you always need a bit of data too |
| 18:10.21 | Vailreth | it should be done in data but it can be done in triggers as well |
| 18:10.50 | Wiz10011 | Oh can it? that's news to me, But it's still better to be done in data though i assume. |
| 18:10.52 | Vailreth | but Wiz if you want i can coach or something on data abit |
| 18:11.31 | burne- | it is better to be done in data, but as stated before for some cases it really doesxnt matter |
| 18:11.39 | Wiz10011 | I see. |
| 18:12.40 | Wiz10011 | Thanks Vailreth, it's probably better for me to mess with it solo, I learn better that way. But what you could do to help, Is give me some type of idea what to make which increases in difficulty. |
| 18:14.01 | Wiz10011 | But Ill just stick to it, and if i get lost Ill just come here to get help to see where I went wrong. |
| 18:14.10 | Vailreth | yeah. |
| 18:14.41 | Vailreth | once you start getting the hang of what does what it stops being hard and just becomes tideous |
| 18:15.06 | RipperRooX | hmm somebody knows what i have to do that my bunker has this little rectangles above to see how many units it has load? |
| 18:15.09 | Wiz10011 | Yea I bet. |
| 18:15.10 | Vailreth | the hardest part is staying motivated to plow through the data editing |
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| 18:15.37 | Wiz10011 | Yea i noticed Vail, thus the two other times I failed. |
| 18:16.16 | Vailreth | ive been working on the same one beavior off and on for a week.... and am only half way through with it |
| 18:16.30 | Wiz10011 | wow. I wish you luck on that. |
| 18:16.36 | Vailreth | probably spent five hours on it so far... maybe six |
| 18:16.43 | Vailreth | thanks |
| 18:17.39 | Vailreth | i am down to just adding Attributes to a Veterancy's Attribute array... but 16 attributes x 20 levels + manual entry takes a long time |
| 18:18.01 | burne- | thats why I use triggers |
| 18:18.49 | Wiz10011 | Oh yea, first project messed wih attributes, time consuming.. |
| 18:18.49 | Vailreth | it wouldnt have been so bad if i could have just C/P in raw data |
| 18:19.27 | Vailreth | seems that of last patch some fields for me have stopped accteping the paste command |
| 18:23.05 | RipperRooX | hmm somebody knows what i have to do that my bunker has this little rectangles above to see how many units it has load? |
| 18:23.32 | Wiz10011 | could you explain the question better? having trouble understanding it. |
| 18:23.55 | Wiz10011 | you want it to show how many people are loaded in the bunker above it like ingame? |
| 18:24.12 | RipperRooX | yes |
| 18:24.18 | RipperRooX | like medivac hast the same |
| 18:24.46 | RipperRooX | i am comparing the abilities and units .. but i dont find the option that makes the difference :S |
| 18:38.54 | burne- | anyone read bleach? |
| 18:39.02 | burne- | I cannot understand what the fuck is going on |
| 18:39.13 | burne- | the story is fucking bullshit :E |
| 18:40.10 | Wiz10011 | I read it. |
| 18:40.18 | Wiz10011 | what are you confused about? |
| 18:40.50 | RipperRooX | i read it too |
| 18:41.27 | burne- | the plot nowadays just seems so random |
| 18:41.31 | burne- | the latest chapters dont really make any sense |
| 18:41.31 | RipperRooX | until the thing got lame when xyz was killed (dont want to spoiler it^^) |
| 18:41.38 | RipperRooX | yes |
| 18:41.44 | RipperRooX | think so to^^ |
| 18:41.50 | burne- | even though it was bad after the who arancar/vizard thingy |
| 18:41.53 | burne- | but meh now its just weird |
| 18:41.55 | RipperRooX | since the big battle it got totally lame |
| 18:42.11 | Wiz10011 | Okay, Ginjo, He was cut by Tysuki or however you spell it correc t? |
| 18:42.25 | burne- | wtf |
| 18:42.27 | burne- | yea...hes been cut TWICEW? :E |
| 18:42.28 | RipperRooX | wtf?! |
| 18:42.28 | burne- | stupid |
| 18:42.42 | RipperRooX | ginjo ? |
| 18:42.49 | burne- | yea |
| 18:43.05 | Wiz10011 | He was already under the infulence of Tysuki because he was cut before, which most likely removed Tysuki was a ally and in his memory was put as a enemy. |
| 18:43.14 | Wiz10011 | basically it was to fool ichigo. |
| 18:43.14 | RipperRooX | ah thats the one from the new shit.. |
| 18:43.22 | Wiz10011 | New chapter that came out today |
| 18:43.37 | Wiz10011 | if you didn't read it, and you dont want spoiler, dont read what I type. |
| 18:43.38 | burne- | but I seriosly find t plot stupid...thast so lame |
| 18:43.42 | RipperRooX | dunno.. i stoped reading when ichigo was in this box running away from the teddybear or whatever..... |
| 18:43.48 | burne- | even the ichigos new powers came to him like super fast |
| 18:44.13 | burne- | and the power is way more stupid than his shinigami powers even though its quite the same |
| 18:44.14 | Wiz10011 | Yea it did, but he used all of the experience before to somewhat bring it out, those experience was beaten into him. |
| 18:45.28 | Wiz10011 | But Ginjo, most likely was the subtitue shinagami, even those it was told to ichigo that that Shinagami was killed, its was most likely a lie. Its all for Ginjo to steal ichigo's power to increase his own. |
| 18:45.57 | burne- | theres probly something like that going on |
| 18:46.19 | burne- | If the plot was like this from the beginning bleach would never be a bit hit |
| 18:46.20 | burne- | :( |
| 18:46.25 | Wiz10011 | Burne, the fullbring isn't going to be his permeant power, Its just to bring his Shinagami powers back. |
| 18:46.53 | Wiz10011 | Alot of people stopped following bleach because of Aizen and how he "trolled" everyone. |
| 18:48.00 | burne- | he was a big troll indeed, but I still read eat since its only once a week |
| 18:48.22 | Wiz10011 | Yea I read it aswell, its free to read, passes the time, So why not read it. |
| 18:48.28 | burne- | btw the hell story madeit seem waaaaaaaayyyyy more interesting |
| 18:48.40 | Wiz10011 | What hell story? |
| 18:48.43 | Wiz10011 | the movie? |
| 18:48.46 | RipperRooX | HADOU NO SANJUSAN |
| 18:48.46 | burne- | then kubo gave us a shitty arc |
| 18:48.48 | RipperRooX | SOKKATSUI ! |
| 18:48.49 | RipperRooX | :S |
| 18:48.57 | burne- | there was 1 rdom chapter between this arc and arch before |
| 18:49.07 | burne- | it was cool |
| 18:49.37 | Wiz10011 | Oh that was for the movie. you meant when those two arrancar were in hell and like 3 or 4 people cut them down and said they need Shirosaki to open the gates? |
| 18:49.44 | burne- | yea |
| 18:49.49 | burne- | I liked it :/ |
| 18:49.52 | RipperRooX | someone looking the anime too ? i found the filler when the swords start getting alive was good... |
| 18:49.54 | Wiz10011 | Yea that was the introduction for the movie bleach. |
| 18:49.55 | burne- | never seen the movie |
| 18:50.03 | RipperRooX | when ichigo was fighting against his sword ^^ |
| 18:50.12 | Wiz10011 | It came out recently in japan, not sure if it got subbed and release for the US |
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| 18:50.22 | Wiz10011 | I dont follow the fillers for the anime |
| 18:50.56 | slightlyrandom | But fillers are the best! |
| 18:50.57 | burne- | I dont watch the anime |
| 18:51.01 | burne- | LOL |
| 18:51.19 | burne- | I think I stopped watching anime when I saw naruto fillers for like 1 year |
| 18:51.26 | burne- | trolled us hard |
| 18:51.46 | Wiz10011 | Yep, like what? 100 episodes or so of fillers? |
| 18:52.17 | burne- | and they really put just any random shit on the fillers |
| 18:52.19 | slightlyrandom | ~52 episodes per year, one per week |
| 18:52.51 | burne- | you could think it wouldnt be that hard to get a decent story, but maybe they have some limitations due the authors manga... |
| 18:53.01 | Wiz10011 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL8Q8th1s50&feature=related Burne, that's the trailer for the movie, it was released in japan December 4th 2010. Kubo wasinvolved in the movie. |
| 18:53.28 | slightlyrandom | Well, if they aren't allowed to make alternate story, or expand upon the universe without the authors permission |
| 18:53.30 | Wiz10011 | I know how many weeks are in a year Slightlyrandom. |
| 18:53.37 | slightlyrandom | That's nice |
| 18:53.41 | Wiz10011 | But to my knowledge it was 100 episode of fillers. |
| 18:54.34 | RipperRooX | BACK TO STARCRAFT :S ... someone any idea???? hmm somebody knows what i have to do that my bunker has this little rectangles above to see how many units it has load? |
| 18:54.45 | Wiz10011 | The dvd for Bleach 4 movie is scheduled for Auguest 24, expect a sub of it after that. |
| 18:54.57 | burne- | doesnt seem that interesting |
| 18:55.01 | burne- | usually the movies arent that good |
| 18:55.30 | burne- | same for one piece. The trailer/hype was really good for the latest movie since there was a chapter for that too |
| 18:55.39 | burne- | but I couldnt watch the movie since it was so fucking horrible |
| 18:55.47 | burne- | as expected |
| 18:56.20 | slightlyrandom | agreed |
| 18:56.51 | slightlyrandom | RipperRooX: It's on the actor, along with where you set bars for health, shields, energy etc |
| 18:57.05 | RipperRooX | thanks !! |
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| 19:23.23 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:23.38 | JademusSreg | Played thorugh And Yet It Moves in one sitting. Nice game. |
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| 19:31.35 | slightlyrandom | Worth getting, that bundle? |
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| 19:31.58 | CryptRat | I feel like there should be a way to slow down actor animations. |
| 19:32.09 | JademusSreg | You name your own price, so invariably yes. |
| 19:32.25 | JademusSreg | Crypt, you can set animation scale from the Model |
| 19:32.41 | CryptRat | That's not size? |
| 19:32.48 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 19:32.58 | CryptRat | Interesting |
| 19:33.29 | JademusSreg | Animation scale or whatever scales the animation length. |
| 19:34.08 | JademusSreg | Blend time determines the amount of time spent blending between animations, defaults to -1. |
| 19:34.11 | CryptRat | is 0.5 faster than 2.0? |
| 19:34.21 | JademusSreg | Playing around with Blend time could yield strange results. |
| 19:34.26 | JademusSreg | I think so, |
| 19:34.45 | JademusSreg | Gotta test it to be certain. |
| 19:35.00 | CryptRat | What animations actually use the random length feature provided by min and max? |
| 19:35.41 | JademusSreg | Dunno. =D |
| 19:35.57 | JademusSreg | I can't say I've looked into that much. |
| 19:36.02 | JademusSreg | I haven't had a need. |
| 19:44.24 | RipperRooX | the fucking bugs on this shit editor are freaking me out |
| 19:44.26 | RipperRooX | seriously... |
| 19:46.13 | JademusSreg | What the problem today? =D |
| 19:46.32 | RipperRooX | the cargo load ui... |
| 19:47.00 | JademusSreg | ... is doing what? |
| 19:47.10 | RipperRooX | its just now showing... when i switch the ability to a different one (but both are copies of another one) then it is showing |
| 19:47.32 | RipperRooX | *its just not showing |
| 19:48.43 | RipperRooX | and u remember my neat problem with the bunker? its still not working 100% but i got more abilities on the bunkers now .. dunno how.. didnt change anything.. |
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| 19:57.22 | Wiz10011 | Hey guys, whats the size limit on custom mods for publishing? |
| 19:58.35 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 20:04.01 | RipperRooX | its doubled since the last time |
| 20:04.37 | RipperRooX | 20mb per map |
| 20:04.41 | RipperRooX | or u mean something else?^^ |
| 20:05.01 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 20:05.03 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:05.08 | JademusSreg | I misread. |
| 20:05.30 | JademusSreg | I thought you meant the number of dependencies a map can have. |
| 20:05.51 | JademusSreg | Mods and maps have the same size limit, ~20MB, yep. |
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| 20:07.27 | JademusSreg | Mindy. =D |
| 20:07.34 | MindWorX` | huggles JademusSreg |
| 20:07.42 | JademusSreg | What are the haps? |
| 20:07.50 | MindWorX` | Secrets! |
| 20:07.55 | JademusSreg | Oooo! |
| 20:08.03 | MindWorX` | Well |
| 20:08.05 | MindWorX` | Not really |
| 20:08.11 | MindWorX` | It's just more interesting than saying nothing |
| 20:08.20 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 20:08.36 | JademusSreg | I have trouble believing you have done nothing since last we spoke. |
| 20:08.41 | Vailreth | 3 levels left sigh |
| 20:08.43 | MindWorX` | Heh |
| 20:09.46 | JademusSreg | I've been working on learning Unity and UDK simultaneously. |
| 20:11.49 | RipperRooX | hehe ive tried UDK too ... and unity too. but now i ll better do a sc2 thing first :D |
| 20:12.07 | RipperRooX | u made the Lerpz tutorial on unity?? |
| 20:12.21 | RipperRooX | find the workflow on unity is much faster and easier... |
| 20:16.50 | Wiz10011 | If you do make a custom mod, you do have to publish it right? (or does it get published when you publish a map which is using the mod as a dependency?) |
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| 20:23.45 | Vailreth | yes you have to publish a custom mod |
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| 20:25.15 | Vailreth | Yes done with assining attributes to levels of the veterancy behavior ... |
| 20:25.24 | Wiz10011 | Congrats! |
| 20:25.29 | Vailreth | thanks |
| 20:25.36 | Wiz10011 | Vail, do you know if there's a size limit on the mod? |
| 20:25.48 | Vailreth | 16 attributes x 20 levels over four to five days and about 7 hours |
| 20:25.55 | Vailreth | 2mb |
| 20:25.57 | Vailreth | 20 |
| 20:26.02 | Wiz10011 | so like a map then |
| 20:26.06 | Vailreth | yes |
| 20:26.10 | Wiz10011 | Alright, Thank you |
| 20:26.47 | Vailreth | but you get a bit more room in mods because they dont have terrain data to help bloat them |
| 20:27.16 | Wiz10011 | Yep that I know. Trying to do terrain in a mod = Learned the hard way. |
| 20:29.30 | Currydevil-away | so you can't just load it up as a dependency for a map? |
| 20:30.46 | Vailreth | if its purely offline you dont have to publish BUT if you want to play a map using a custom mod that mod has to be published and the online file listed in the maps dependencies under battlenet file |
| 20:31.39 | Vailreth | and when you update a mod you have to publish a new version of the map withe the dependenices updated |
| 20:31.42 | Vailreth | as well as the updated mod |
| 20:31.57 | Wiz10011 | Good to know. |
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| 20:32.37 | Vailreth | i dont think many people have been building mods save for the Total Converters. |
| 20:33.41 | Vailreth | i have been working on mine since the beta editor though |
| 20:34.05 | Ashamed | started my new job today |
| 20:34.06 | Ashamed | :) |
| 20:34.13 | Vailreth | Nice? |
| 20:34.13 | Ashamed | i have access to you guys still dont worry |
| 20:34.19 | Ashamed | fucken amazing so far |
| 20:34.47 | Vailreth | Nice. |
| 20:34.52 | Ashamed | not only do they play 100% of my prem for my innsurance, they pay the deductable as well :) |
| 20:35.04 | Vailreth | wow. |
| 20:35.09 | Currydevil-away | oh ok. so is it possible to move one map to another then? like doing all my data in one and save and terrin in another? |
| 20:35.17 | Currydevil-away | or should i not bother doing the data as a mod file? |
| 20:35.27 | Currydevil-away | terrain* |
| 20:36.13 | Vailreth | if you do your data and assets in a mod file you can make as many maps that you want that use that mod |
| 20:37.05 | Currydevil-away | but i still have to publish the mod seperately and have it listed as dependency in my map with the terrain? |
| 20:37.14 | Vailreth | yes |
| 20:37.28 | Currydevil-away | nice to know, i was assuming all I had to do was list it as a dependency and good to go ;) |
| 20:37.30 | Vailreth | basically mods are good for multiple map projects |
| 20:37.35 | Currydevil-away | yeah |
| 20:37.59 | Currydevil-away | well, for the moment I just wanted to seperate it. but then I could move my data/items to other maps too, |
| 20:38.14 | Currydevil-away | so I won't have to remake heros/inventory/items/abilities. |
| 20:38.21 | Vailreth | yep. |
| 20:38.25 | Currydevil-away | anyways, nice to know. be back in a bit |
| 20:38.36 | Vailreth | also mods are good for team projects .. |
| 20:38.39 | Vailreth | ok |
| 21:03.45 | CryptRat | Are there any good explosion models? |
| 21:04.27 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 21:04.37 | JademusSreg | There are a number of them, I know that much. |
| 21:04.43 | JademusSreg | Often with several variations. |
| 21:07.18 | CryptRat | Found one that's good enough. |
| 21:07.33 | CryptRat | The naming of these things is just horrid, though. |
| 21:10.02 | Vailreth | does any one know why i cant use triggers to make a unit use a learn ability? i am sure its possible but i cant figure out how to make it work |
| 21:17.57 | CryptRat | Jademus, what would you say is the proper amount of time for a small casual game to last? |
| 21:19.00 | CryptRat | I'm pretty sure what I'm working on is short enough that I'll need to extend game play by having it played over multiple rounds. |
| 21:24.58 | JademusSreg | Between 20 and 40 minutes. |
| 21:26.02 | JademusSreg | Vail, there's not a lot of ability manipulation via trigger this time around. |
| 21:26.13 | JademusSreg | Not like wc3. |
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| 21:51.27 | Vailreth | i see Jade Thanls |
| 21:51.30 | Vailreth | tnakns |
| 21:51.36 | Vailreth | Thanks even |
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| 21:53.04 | Mexa | hi |
| 21:59.30 | timecat | wtf mexicans |
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